RBD: Playing in the Sandbox of Trance
November 13, 2008
Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 13, 2008
MARK: Good evening and welcome to Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Production here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins.
JOHN: Thank you, Mark. And thank . . . welcome everybody to another Thursday evening with Kris on the radio. And of course, we couldn’t have this kind of fun without our friend, Serge.
SERGE: Thank you, Mark. Thank you, John. And we’re gonna’ have extra fun tonight. Our friend, Robert Doyle, is here. Robert hasn’t been here in just over a year, probably since August of last year. And we’re very happy to have him here. Robert is a Master Hypnotherapist, all sorts of wonderful things. Robert is the Director of Training for the Harvard Institute of Hypnosis. He’s the co-founder of CMI from way back. And he’s a passionate researcher of Reality by Design in many ways. He’s the past president of the Ontario Association of Hypnotherapists here in Ontario. And he’s a therapist in private practice. So you can find his website at . . . [ To Robert] is that “one” as in numeric?
ROBERT: As in numeric.
SERGE: Numeric “1mind.ca“. And in his private practice, Robert helps clients create rapid results that some have called “sheer magic”. And perhaps he’ll share some of that magic here with us tonight.
ROBERT: Hopefully. Yeah, I’m real happy to be back. Thank you very much. And as we go through the “R.B.D.” series that Kris is kicking off, I think tonight, then we’ll find out also why I called it “1 mind”. Because I think that’s one of the secrets behind creating your own reality is be focusing one mind that you connect with other “one minds”.
SERGE: Well, in that respect, we have one more mind to connect with us tonight and that is Alan Aspinall on Skype.
ALAN: Hey, I’ve half a mind to get back to you.
[Laughter.]
SERGE: And I have a quarter of a mind to tell you about it.
[Laughter.]
ROBERT: Nice to hear you again, Alan.
ALAN: Hey, we do have, we do have a couple of new people that have joined the chat. We’ve got Alyssa from New York, and Dave from Toledo.
MARK: Welcome aboard.
ALAN: So the chat room’s growing.
MARK: Yeah.
JOHN: What was the name in Toledo again?
ALAN: Alyssa. Oh, I’m sorry. Dave’s in Toledo.
JOHN: Dave in Toledo.
MARK: Hi Dave. Hi Alyssa. Hi everybody else. Welcome to the Reality by Design.
SERGE: And I do want to very quickly thank a number of people. I’ll just quickly run off a few names, because they have given some very nice contributions to help us with the website and the radio show. There’s Gila in Germany. There’s Alan, there’s Chuck, there’s Bill. Everybody loves Bill. And so many other people have offered some nice contributions that are really helpful. So, thank you very much. And it’s keeping us going.
MARK: We appreciate it, very much.
SERGE: Yep.
JOHN: Well, we just about had some tired air there for a moment, didn’t we.
MARK: Almost.
JOHN: So we’re going to I . . . one of the pleasures of tonight’s format is we get to pick the brain of Robert Doyle a little bit. And, ah, I’m here to tell you that there’s quite a lot of, … think of it as a smorgasbord, because Mark and I share being students of Robert’s, and Serge’s, to that extent, in the Harvard Institute of Hypnosis program, which is well under way. In fact, I think we’re down to the last quarter of the program.
SERGE: Actually just two weekends.
JOHN: Yep.
ROBERT: Two weekends to go, and I can tell you that certainly John and Mark I think have not only exceeded their own expectations, but they’ve met Serge’s and I’s expectations for not only how capable they’re going to’ learn the material, but how they’ve already been able to apply it. So, if anyone has any questions about hypnosis, please get in touch with either John, Serge, Mark or myself and we’ll be pleased to tell you’ how you can really use it to accelerate your own reality creation or change.
MARK: Absolutely. I can’t tell you how it’s changed me. I’m using it in my day-to-day life. I’m using it at work. It’s great. I’m loving’ it.
JOHN: Well, something that struck me quite early on in the program, Robert, was when you said that all this wonderful stuff we were learning about hypnosis, that to avoid the mistake of using it like a fire extinguisher. I think this would be a fire extinguisher with a glass closure that said, “Break in case of the need for hypnosis,” or something like that.
ROBERT: Break and click in case of client.
JOHN: Yes. So, I’ve been, as you suggested, applying many of the things that we’ve learned. And the thing that strikes me again and again and again is how absolutely congruent this material is with what Kris has been teaching in “CMI“, and “Change the World” and just in general. What do you think, Mark?
MARK: Oh, definitely. Most definitely. It ties in so nicely. In fact, it was Kris that recommended to Serge originally that he should go learn hypnotherapy.
JOHN: Oh.
MARK: And it turns out Kris has been using it all along anyway. And . . .
JOHN: Kris is a heck of a hypnosis, hyp, hypno . . .
MARK: Hypnotherapist.
JOHN: Yeah.
ROBERT: He sure is. In fact just the way things are structured is, the Harvard Institute took a more scientific approach, dealing with hypnosis, its roots and where its going, and the “CMI” side of it takes a more esoteric or spiritual approach. But they both draw on the same material, even though it’s presented in a context that is more applicable to the various schools of thought. So there’ll be substantial overlaps. And from that, what I’m really hoping for and expecting is, people like yourselves, Mark, John, etc., people in Skype-land even, are going to be able to take this material and apply it into their day to day realities in many ways that I think and I hope is going to inspire everybody.
So coming in the next, well certainly 2009 I think, is going to be the big year in the explosion for it as people begin to realize just what an incredible set of resources they have on the inside that really has remained untapped. And as we move past the traditional approaches, we’re going to find that, these new, perspectives coming out of “CMI” and through Kris are absolutely going to accelerate it as a catalyst to the next level.
SERGE: And just to make certain everybody understands, when we speak of “CMI” it’s the Consciousness Mentoring Institute that Kris has basically suggested last September, a year ago.
ROBERT: Right.
MARK: Yeah, we’re well into Phase Two out of three phases. In fact, we should be finishing up Phase Two in late January, I believe, maybe early February. So that’s been, yeah, a year and a half, two years. If you want more information on the CMI you can go to the Consciousness … or just consciousnessmentoring.com and … [Interrupted].
SERGE: I couldn’t, I couldn’t get the just the initials “CMI”. It was taken. [Referring to the web address.]
MARK: ANY initials are long gone.
ROBERT: And if you’re coming from a scientific background go to harvardinstituteofhypnosis.com.
SERGE: Yep.
ROBERT: Either way will get you connected with all the fine people on this side of the microphone and hopefully we’ll either accelerate your interest or kick one off. And maybe just as an aside, we talk a lot about hypnosis but, just so we all have a shared understanding of it, when we say hypnosis we mean trance, the various trances that we’re in multiple times in a day, during our sleep, as we create reality. And so if you think of hypnosis as really trance states and communication, then we’ll all pretty much be in a sort of shared definition of that. And having said that . . .
KRIS: Indeed. We trust that you are comfortable. And we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you.
KRIS: And what better means of demonstrating trance apart from talking about it. Now it is said that individuals come in and out of trance states all day, or that there are parts of the day that individuals find themselves in a trance. But if truth be told, there is “one” state of trance, referred to as existence.
ROBERT: Absolutely.
KRIS: How you demonstrate, manifest and utilize that state, “existence”, is played out in a variety of fluctuations though it may appear that you go in and out of multiple types of trance states all day long. But they are variations on a theme, period. That alone should stimulate everyone into recognizing just what kind of potential that they have at their disposal that may truly be “untapped”. Trance states each carry their specific signatures, meaning they each can demonstrate certain abilities, for lack of a better word. And by that specific recognition an individual can truly mine all of the treasures and resources that are in abundance, and physical abundance, emotional abundance, abundance of any kind are merely, we could say, side effects. They grow out of the main state. Does that make sense to you?
ROBERT: Yes, absolutely.
KRIS: And it is fine to engage in metaphysical groups of discussions, and so on and so forth, where you can mentally tinker with these ideas. But it is another thing altogether to actually dive into that ocean of existence and recognize that you cannot only swim, but that you are an Olympic swimmer at that. The capacities are innate. But it does require a catalyst.
For instance, you could say it is natural for Michael Phelps to be an Olympic gold medal swimmer. That capacity was there, but it had to be nurtured. And for all intents and purposes, your capacities to utilize, in a practical and pragmatic manner, all of the qualities that are in the various demonstrations of trance, can utilize nurturing. Of that, there is no doubt. As your world situation demonstrates you are using those capacities beautifully so, but are they particularly advantageous? The answer is no, unless, of course, you are working on a degree in market crashes.
[Laughter.]
KRIS: Thus you do utilize that potential very well, but it can definitely utilize a polishing. Would you say so? And by the way, welcome to our little piece of the world.
ROBERT: Thanks, Kris. Yeah, if I could just maybe kick that off in economy fear or the fear reaction to economy right now. One of the things that we cover in the Harvard curriculum is, the common trances people often find themselves in, is the trance of fear and how prolific and overwhelming it can almost be. And yet part of the work in hypnosis is the ability to shift states, or between states, so that you can find a trance state that is more useful than the one you find yourself in. And I’m hoping tonight, you can maybe share with us how to shift into even higher states to create better realities for ourselves.
KRIS: Indeed. And it may not require a great deal of experience or practice to actually recognize how easily an individual slips in and out of various states. If the average individual takes the time, the few moments, even the seconds it takes to go from one trance-state to another, the recognition can be made easily. And a very practical approach in that area is to notice where your mind is at, where your awareness is at, what you are focused upon. If you are, say, walking about minding your own business and then you step into an elevator. The patterns may be completely transparent. You might not notice initially what happens to your awareness, but if you do begin to notice you will see that you go into an Alpha or altered state, quite different from what you were in a moment ago. You may, like everyone else, look at the top above the elevator door and begin to focus upon the numbers. You may step into the elevator, and though your, the floor you are heading for is already pressed and lit you will automatically hit it again, as if you did not hit it, it would not go there. So these are very spontaneous, automatic patterns. But if you take the moment necessary to recognize that, and instead of voluntarily slipping into that state, make a concerted effort to entertain something entirely different in your mind, even one where you simply consciously observe the goings on in the elevator, might make a sufficient difference to alert you to the pattern that you tried to kick in, and did not. Do you follow?
ROBERT: Yes.
KRIS: So that can trigger sufficient awareness of how easily you slip in and out of various trance states at a moment’s notice. In terms of the economy, you may not notice that you can easily slip into the worries and the fear mongering that is propagated by the media, by the banks, financial institutions of other kinds, your neighbors, your parents, your children and everybody else, as if – if you did not worry about the economy as it is now, it would fall apart. But it may be precisely because you all worry so much that it already is falling apart, and it cannot avoid that situation. How can it avoid literally being flushed down the toilet? We would have used the older English expression but the toilet is sufficient. And why does it do that? Because it has to conform to your attitudes, your expectations what you concentrate upon and so on and so forth. It reflects your attitude, your consciousness, your trance, period. If you collectively shifted that trance state to one of prosperity, then overnight the economy would seem to stabilize and literally fix itself. You cannot fix the economy by pumping in seven hundred million, or billion, or trillion dollars, expecting that it will, by that action, stabilize, if you do not fix the minds of those who are generating the economy in the first place. Do you follow?
RICHARD: Absolutely. The market is really a reflection of the psychology of the people involved with it.
KRIS: Indeed. It cannot be otherwise. So our simple observation to everyone that can hear us now, that can hear us later, or that may never hear our physical voice is to change the channel. Not this channel, of course.
[Laughter.]
MARK: Don’t touch that dial.
KRIS: As the saying goes, put the remote down and step away from the television. Thus if you change the channel of the trance that you are in, collectively, then the economy will reflect your new perspective. It must abide by your perceptions. It cannot do otherwise. So it is not the government’s fault. It is not the fault of the shysters and the crooks. Everyone plays a part. And it is a reflection of your need to understand yourselves and how you do this. The time is long past to blame others for what you concentrate upon. The media is simply reflecting back to you your own fears on the subject matter. And it is an enabler, as you enable the media. So you are indeed in a triple bind. And you can step out of the hamster wheel simply by stopping what you are doing and begin to concentrate on prosperity.
Prosperity is not a pretty word. It is not a word that belongs to the New Age. It is simply an expression of a different trance. A trance of prosperity means that everything flows freely without restriction, be that health, wealth, happiness or otherwise. Does that make sense to you?
RICHARD: Yes.
MARK: Absolutely.
KRIS: There are no restrictions, no incongruencies, or so few that you can work these out. Right now you are in an opposing trance. And as a result, you are paying literally through the nose. Do you follow? [Response: Yes.]
You may ask also, “What does this have to do with hypnosis and our guest?” How would you reinterpret that?
RICHARD: Simply by one phrase that unfortunately many of us heard as children, which was, “Be careful what you wish for.” And while the intention was perhaps positive, I think what people did instead was they stopped wishing. And if you have the ability to create reality by making wishes, then it simply means you need to use hypnosis or any other tool to make sure that what you’re wishing for, is the way you’d like it to show up.
KRIS: Indeed. Thus it is indeed up to you entirely to get what you wish for. And no one can hand that on a silver platter to you. But you may hand it to yourself. Do you have any other inquiries?
ROBERT: Why is it then, Kris, that so many people limit themselves unconsciously, consciously, in the choices we make, the trance states we create, to experience less than the prosperity trance, almost as if it seems there is nothing we can do about it or it’s part of the condition which we find ourselves in? I mean, theoretically everyone listening either accepts or perhaps is trying to live the way we all believe it’s possible. But why do so many people have so many challenges getting past that?
KRIS: You did use the word “condition”. However, if you add three letters you will find why. “Conditioning”. So one generation conditions the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, to concentrate on “not having”. Whether it is through religious indoctrination or otherwise, the point is that you have all been very nicely trained, as if there is a virtue inherent in refuting, refusing and negating prosperity. Does that seem to make sense to you?
MARK: Yes.
ROBERT: It, unfortunately, it does. Now we need to get past it.
KRIS: Indeed. Now such conditioning need not be logical at all, though it creates its own loop of logic. However, such conditioning can also be broken or transformed so that you can begin to actually live the life you want, have the experiences you desire, and again experience health, wealth and happiness. The materials, the tools, the resources are exactly the same that are utilized to create the un-resourceful states. How they are utilized is a different matter altogether. But we have suggested in the past that you have a conscious mind for a very powerful reason. It is the “concentrator”, if you wish. It is through the instrument of your conscious mind that you magnify your inner actions, the contents of your neo-conscious mind. Do you recall that?
JOHN: Absolutely. Yes. The conscious mind is the, the . . . what is it? The other one is the Maker . . . it’s the Chooser. Yes, yeah, it’s the captain of the ship that somebody’s got to make a choice about which direction to go.
KRIS: Indeed. So if the captain of the ship bases his trajectory on old wives’ tales and ancient lore, that if you go so far out to sea you will drop off the edge of the world, you will meet sea monsters and mermaids and so on and so forth, incredibly horrendous creatures of the depths, then what captain in his or her right mind would want to go on the high seas of adventure?
JOHN: No, you may as well stay in port if that’s what’s out there.
KRIS: Indeed. Then yet a port is not meant to keep ships. It is simply to harbor them.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: Thus utilizing those very same principles that you use to dig yourselves into a hole in the ground, you can utilize to get out of that hole. As a hypnotherapist and teacher of hypnosis, what advice would you have?
ROBERT: Focus on what you want. And I think that’s one of the chief things that we see with clients is, asking a client what they want, the first thing is we either get a list of things they don’t want to experience, which is that trance of “lack of prosperity”, or they honestly don’t know. And so the advice I would give myself and everybody is really focus on what you want. Make a list so that you know what it looks like when it shows up, and then make a plan to go get it.
KRIS: Indeed. And they key word is a list of what you want. Far too many people are bent on making long lists of what they do not want. And not only do they continue experiencing what they do not want, they eventually become themselves, the very thing they do not want to become because it is the object of concentration. And it can become just as real as what you do want. And it is our humble opinion that most individuals, given a choice, would want to be what they want not what they do not want.
ROBERT: Yes, given the choice is the key phrase. And I think many of us pretend that we don’t have that choice.
KRIS: And this is an area of much work, to be able to demonstrate through simple means how it is a matter of choice.
ROBERT: Choice and responsibility.
KRIS: That may indeed be the key. Responsibility means, in so many words, the ability to respond, and you could say in brackets “to consciousness, to perception”, is a powerful thing indeed. And some individuals might be tempted to want to stay in the sandbox they know lest they do not get what they want than to venture into the sandbox they do not know and actually get what they want. It is a matter of playing in the sandbox of your trance state.
The child does not know that the castle he makes with his little pail and shovel in the sandbox is not a real castle. It is, in his mind, a truly great castle, a castle of fairy tale proportion. And that is where his or her imagination begins to take flights of fancy until someone comes along and says, “It’s all in your head little one. None of that is real. Get used to the world. It is cold, cruel and merciless.” And that begins to establish a particular state of reference. Even that kind of conditioning can be reversed.
And the fear trances of the world literally can be put aside, kept for another day, a day best called tomorrow, since you know tomorrow never comes. And as we have suggested many times, the present is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future. What you do, what you concentrate upon now, literally creates what you experience in the past and what you experience in the future. So it is to your advantage to create a trance state that is filled with treasure and surprise and happiness and health and wealth that goes as much into the future as it does into the past.
ROBERT: Actually, in fact, would you say that it’s true that people are already doing that process of putting the fear off to tomorrow, except what they’re putting off is the goodness and the prosperity? It’s almost as if there’s a belief that we don’t have to take care of the good things in life because they’ll take care of themselves. And that frees people up to be totally committed to their trance state of only dealing with the crap that’s going on in their life. Whereas if they would only take the opposite . . .
KRIS: And unfortunately that is exactly the point. If all you concentrate on is dealing with less desirable elements of your life, what do you think you will get more of? Less and less desirable elements. It cannot go the other way around. You cannot worry yourself into health. That has never happened and it will never happen.
ROBERT: But you can play your way into prosperity.
KRIS: Play being fun.
ROBERT: Absolutely.
KRIS: And fun is the key word in all things. If you notice there is one thing that is completely absent in states of fear – fun. There is no fun in it. But states of prosperity are filled with fun, curiosity and adventure. Now, do you wish a break at this point?
MARK: Sure, why not.
KRIS: Indeed.
MUSICAL INTERLUDE
MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Production. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins, Serge Grandbois, Robert Doyle and Alan Aspinall out there in Skype-land.
SERGE: How’s it going out there, Alan?
ALAN: He, it’s still goin’ well.
JOHN: So, Alan, the boys were tellin’ me here that you’ve, you’ve had some training in, this kind of stuff as well. Are you not an NLP guy?
ALAN: Yeah. I studied with John and Richard back in the early 80′s. And spend, I don’t know, ten or more years kind of perfecting those skills, and sort of went on from there.
JOHN: Uh-huh. Interesting.
MARK: Was that Bandler and Grindler?
ROBERT: Yeah. Yeah, you’d be really lucky, Alan. You’d get to experience Richard’s subtlety first hand.
ALAN: [Laughing.] Oh, subtlety, yeah.
ROBERT: If there was ever a guy . . .
ALAN: And actually . . .
ROBERT: Sorry, Alan. If there was ever a guy in therapy that was creative and loves to have fun and experiment, it’s Richard. And if you haven’t read any Richard Bandler, those of us in radio land, find a book out. Maybe one of the easier one’s would be “Using Your Brain for a Change and Keeping the Change“. Great book. Lots of fun. Richard is an absolute gem. And if you’ve, if he serves as your introduction to hypnosis you’d be on great footing. The only second best place would be, come take a class at the Harvard Institute of Hypnosis.
[Laughter.]
MARK: I second that one.
ALAN: There you go. There you go.
MARK: Any comments . . .
ALAN: Well you know I was thinking, you guys were, when Kris was talking I was thinking about to use the metaphor of the outhouse. It’s one thing to be in an outhouse and recognize that you’re in a particular kind of a trance state and one that’s not especially pleasant. And that’s all well and good. But I think for most people the hard part is you know, visualizing a rose bush and taking a deep breath and guess what you’re gonna’ be smelling. It isn’t gonna’ be the rose bush. And there’s still a big, big hurdle to overcome to change your present state to your desired state, particularly when your desired state is so overwhelming. An old friend of mine always kept a plaque above his desk that said, “It’s easy to forget when you’re up to your ass in alligators that your original intention was to drain the swamp.” And I think still, for most people and I know for me, it is very, very difficult, even recognizing all of these things that Kris is talking about, to change a present state that seems to be very negative or very unwanted, for something else, because the “something else” seems to fly in the face of your overwhelming, sensory based information.
ROBERT: Yeah. That’s very true, Alan. And I think one of the things that helps people get past that, or at least they can try to see if it helps getting them past it, is rather than focusing on how bad it is and contemplating how much worse it could get, is to ask yourself how you could make it better. And because, the “how” question is that, is that structured outcome that takes you out of the present state without denying it, which we see in the New Age circles. Too many people attempt to deny reality by just pretending it’s going to go away and they’ll wake up tomorrow and it’s all gone, or they have to just sit on their couch and wait for the Brink’s truck to show up. As Kris always says, you really need to get into the action potential of reality through that concentrated focus of attention on what you want. And so even though unpleasant things are happening, if you bear in mind, “How can I get out of this?” your mind will solve those problems for you.
KRIS: And in that we would unanimously be in agreement with. The more one struggles to understand the differences between the state that is depriving them of what they want and the state that they want to have as an experience, may seem like worlds apart, dimensions apart even. Sometimes even having the impression that it is an impossible task to accomplish because all of the sensory feedback is based upon the one experience they do not want to have. Everything seems to reflect back that of course the unwanted state is the hard-core reality at this moment. And how can anything else be real than what you have now? That is the key here, is that your senses are pretty liars. They do not reflect the truth back. They simply reflect what you concentrate upon.
The truth is your ability to concentrate and who you are. Once you can direct the attention of your mind to this unique fact, then you can begin to steer the ship instead of having the ship steer you. We believe in some other circles, you call that “the tail wagging the dog”.
[Laughter.]
ROBERT: It’s what other cultures would have called “seeing past the veil of illusion”.
KRIS: Indeed. And as we have suggested in other discussions, it is not reality that is an illusion it is the thinking that is the illusion. Reality cannot be illusory or not illusory. It simply is a reflection. Does that make sense to you?
ROBERT: Absolutely.
KRIS: Do you have any other comments or observations in Skype-land?
ALAN: No, nothing right at the moment, Kris. I think everyone’s pretty well entranced, pardon the expression.
[Laughter.]
KRIS: Indeed. And other comments or observations or mentions on your part here? Please feel free.
ROBERT: Well I think it’s interesting that when we find ourselves in situations that we really don’t enjoy, that if we look back in our history we probably wouldn’t have believed that it would be possible for us to create those circumstances. And yet somehow, through sheer act of will, focus and serendipity, I suppose, we managed to create those things. And if we can create those things then maybe we should just challenge ourselves to create better.
KRIS: Indeed. Unfortunately the idea of blaming it on the devil simply no longer sticks. It is a pretty scapegoat, but one that has definitely gone past its expiration date.
ROBERT: Yeah. In the class we’ve been talking about one thing with one of the guys, I guess this last weekend. We basically said that some of the constraints, or apparent constraints of reality, are really the training wheels that are necessary as we learn to master our creative skills. And that through hypnosis, self-discipline, responsibility and the material that you’re teaching, that maybe we can throw those training wheels off a lot sooner so that we can then begin creating more magnificently, much, much sooner.
KRIS: Indeed. It is far easier to eventually leave the states of fear behind than you have ever imagined. The more you become fearful of such situations, the more you hang on to that which is truly harming you. No state of fear has ever given off as a result, anything that leads to health, wealth or happiness. If you find such a state then by all means put it on eBay right away. Mental states and shifting your perception to states of health, wealth and happiness will give you that, not the other way around. Focusing on fear and expecting that suddenly, miraculously, health, wealth and happiness will flow from your fear, as it is said, is perhaps easier than pigs fly. That will take a long time. Even your geneticists are not that clever. Focusing upon states of health, wealth and happiness will bring you that. Obviously then, focusing upon the idea the economy is failing, the world is coming apart at the seams, is not going to bring you what you desire.
ROBERT: And yet we’re still living in the same physical world. I mean everyone who has those fears can look around and there’s still food on the table, there’s still a roof over your head, there’s still, you know, reality is unfolding.
KRIS: Indeed. The only difference is the state of mind.
ROBERT: And whether or not they can enjoy it.
KRIS: You are not supposed to be enjoying yourself in a recession or a depression. You are supposed to act in a very specific way. That way only leads to more of the same.
ROBERT: So reality conforms to beliefs, and if we’re not supposed to enjoy ourselves in a recession then if we do enjoy ourselves, then perhaps recession has to leave to conform to our reality.
KRIS: Indeed. Now if you wanted some expedited ways to leave behind those states you do not want to be in, our primary suggestion is to cut off all media. Stop reading the newspapers, listening to the radio or television shows that focus on nothing but the apparent crumbling of the economy and of the world going to hell in a hand-basket.
MARK: But we so enjoy laughing at Sarah Palin.
[Laughter.]
KRIS: We dare not comment at this point.
ROBERT: So if there’s anyone out in Skype-land who has the capacity, please start the Good News newspaper. You’ll have a number of subscribers immediately.
KRIS: This does bring an interesting point up – the original meaning of “the good news”. The word “gospel” . . .
ROBERT: Gospels, yeah.
KRIS: . . . was meant to bring you the good news that it is possible to free yourselves from the constraints of fear, mainly the news that you can live in a state other than the Roman armies imposition. How that has become a religious institution is as good a guess as anyone’s. So take the time to exercise your choice. It is possible for you to stop reading the newspapers, stop listening to the Tele, the radio shows, and anything that smacks of the present world situation. And we can guarantee you, in a short amount of time, things in your perception will begin to reflect those new states that you are wanting. If no one reads the papers they will have to print something that reflects an attractive carrot. If no one listens to the radio or watches the television every time some catastrophic news about the economy comes on you shut the Tele, they will get the message. They will have to create what you want, because it is what you want. Does that make sense to you? [Several affirmative responses.]
We are not advocating a boycott. But we are advocating that you have a choice. You can be like a lemming or you can be your own individual. Any other comments? Please feel free.
ROBERT: So rather than read the news that’s fear mongering, you can read the wonderful material that’s on the CMI site.
KRIS: Indeed. You can also peruse the plentiful materials on the krischronicles.com.
MARK: Or the krischronicles.com/forum.
[Laughter.]
KRIS: And you can also avail yourself of the dream book.
[MARK'S NOTES: I highly recommend WISP Ezine. http://wisp.focusphere.net/]
JOHN: What comes to my mind, Kris, is a wonderful way to decide whether or not you’re going to enjoy media. This is from Ester Hicks actually. And she says that, within a minute or two of watching a program on TV she can tell by the music whether or not she wants to watch it. And I’ve actually taken that to heart. And sometimes, if I’m watching a . . . Normally I like kind of adventurous, exciting shows. But every once in a while they go into a chase scene or a suspense scene and the music starts to get really crazy. Well I’ve learned a little trick. If you just . . . You don’t have to turn the TV off. If you just turn the music . . . mute it. Then you can still enjoy the, the advancement of the plot but it doesn’t grip you the way it does with the music on.
KRIS: It can be very good advice.
MARK: So I should watch the news with it on mute?
JOHN: [Laughing.] Yeah.
ROBERT: Oh, absolutely. And make them political debates – so much more fun. Because if you get a bunch of friends over, you supply your own sound track, it’s hilarious. Doesn’t really change anything but you’re inner reality really enjoys it much more.
KRIS: Indeed you can transpose “Young Frankenstein” over any political debate and have far more pleasure.
ALAN: You know I might pipe up here and say that one of the things that Bandler and Grinder often had us do in NLP was to turn on a televangelist and turn off the sound and notice that what the televangelist was doing was actually communicating a very effective state of trance. And you’d be able to notice that more rapidly when you took the sound out of the way.
ROBERT: Yeah. And if you have an NLP background you can read people’s states of truthfulness or otherwise. Watching the Clinton impeachment process was very entertaining.
ALAN: Or the O. J. Simpson trial.
ROBERT: Yeah. I see it in the mirror on occasion myself.
JOHN: Well what’s netting out for me learning about hypnosis and about what Kris has been talking about for some time now, I have expressed it in the term “mobility of consciousness”. And what, the skill that I’m in the process of developing . . . Let’s take for instance the example that Alan gave of being in the outhouse of your life, right, surrounded by the funk of that. And what I have found is that, never mind denying it. But if I can take a nice deep breath of that funkiness with some curiosity and fun, and a little bit of flexibility and mobility of consciousness, I can convince myself that hidden in there is a tiny, tiny whiff of a rose bush. And that turns the corner.
ROBERT: And John, that whiff of a rosebush becomes even more tantalizing when you find yourself in the outhouse of your life and you get an eviction notice. And then it’s even worse than it was a few moments ago. And then all of a sudden you found out they delivered the notice to the wrong outhouse. And you go back to your outhouse and now you think it’s Heaven.
[John laughs.]
ROBERT: So perspective is really a powerful thing and you have that choice all the time.
JOHN: That’s true.
KRIS: And as you have pointed out, discovering how mobile and flexible your consciousness is, is truly a gift that you can give to yourself. Without that recognition it is difficult to move through time and space as a human being. But when you do recognize it then your experiences and their flexibility flow so much more easily. That is the whole point. Whether you take hypnosis, NLP, materials from the CMI, or anything else, the point is that your consciousness is extremely flexible and you can use that to your advantage. Now do you have any last comments or questions? Or we can simply turn the rest of this wonderful production over to your capable hands and minds.
MARK: Alan, anything on your end?
ALAN: Well we just . . . I do have one question that’s been posted. And I know we’ve touched on it before but I think it’s relevant in the sense that if you’re at spot A and you want to be at position B, position B does seem a lot like a fantasy. It is something that isn’t real in your world. And the question is basically, how do you know when you go too far in this, you know, if the fantasy makes you feel good then is it actually taking you toward making that into reality or, you know, . . . where’s the line that you draw between just a, a fantastical daydream and an imaginary thing that will actually take you in the direction of what you want?
ROBERT: From my perspective, Alan, it would be whatever actions you’re taking to bring that probability into physical reality. Sitting on the couch or behind the computer, or whatever we do, and just keep dreaming of how wonderful it could be, is also a reminder that we haven’t made it real yet. And what makes things real is, is the action quotient. Bringing it into the physical world at that nexus point between possibility and reality, as we call reality, takes action. And that’s what the conscious mind does. It concentrates things so that we can distill that essence into a physical form. But that really takes action and continued belief in yourself that you can get there.
KRIS: Indeed. And as a continuation of that, if your fantasy situation, point B, your destination, is to develop powers of Superman, then may we recommend that you shift that to something a little more practical. And with that, we leave you to the capable hands of these incredible individuals. And we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you, Kris.
JOHN: Thank you, Kris.
ROBERT: Thanks, Kris.
ALAN: Thank you, Kris.
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