RBD: The Disciplined Mind
July 30, 2009
This episode of Reality by Design was the final episode to air live on That Channel. During this episode Kris took the time to clarify what the intended spiritual community that he wants to build is and what it is NOT. He also took the time to speak more about chanting.
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Summary: RBD: The Disciplined Mind
July 30, 2009
This episode of Reality by Design was the final episode to air live on That Channel. During this episode Kris took the time to clarify what the intended spiritual community that he wants to build is and what it is NOT. He also took the time to speak more about chanting.
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RBD: The Disciplined Mind
July 30, 2009
Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Jonathan Whelan
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 30, 2009
MARK: Good evening and welcome to the final episode of Reality by Design, a Kris Media Production here on thatchannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and one final time I am here with John Hawkins.
JOHN: Thank you Mark, it’s awfully nice to be here again and it’s just a tiny bit sad to think that – let’s make this a very special show. And how are you tonight Serge?
SERGE: I’m very good. It will be interesting to try and find something different to do on Thursday nights now.
MARK: Hello Alan.
ALAN: Yeah you guys are taking away a very staple of my existence here.
MARK: John was just saying the same thing, “what am I going to do, I’m going to end up on the food court every Thursday night”. (Group laughter)
MARK: It has been a good run. We’ve had a lot of fun.
SERGE: Not quite three years.
MARK: And while we’re on this topic, I just want to say thank you very much to “that channel”, “that radio”. Hugh, Randy and Blue, you’ve done a great job and we really appreciate it.
(Group clapping)
SERGE: Randy you’re suppose to applaud yourself. Ok there you go.
JOHN: Oh boy. (Group laughter)
SERGE: Now there is whistling.
JOHN: Yes it is kind of a unique experiment that these boys are doing and apparently thatchannel.com is the Internet media production in Canada, if anybody is interested.
SERGE: Somebody has to fill this spot.
JOHN: Yeah.
SERGE: It is almost sacred by now.
JOHN: That’s right.
MARK: Oh I’m sure there is a conspiracy person out there that will pick it up. (Laughing)
ALAN: Gee I was hoping you would announce the John Hawkins show. (Group laughter)
JOHN: Well I’m considering offers from rival networks. (Group laughter)
MARK: Can’t mention them on the air.
SERGE: Did it end up snowing there Alan?
ALAN: No but it got close; it was forty-five this morning.
SERGE: That’s cold.
MARK: I heard it was forty-one in Oregon.
ALAN: Yeah but forty-one Celsius. It was one hundred and six the other day in Portland.
MARK: Oh it was hot there; I though they were saying it got really cold.
SERGE: No, very hot, they are having an immense heat wave.
MARK: Wow.
ALAN: Our summer somehow moved up there.
MARK: Well it’s not here either so. (Laughing) Well one last time, I guess we will go through the announcements.
JOHN: Yes, let’s talk …
MARK: From here on in you will have to go to krischronicles.com to get all of your info.
SERGE: Info., news, updates and all that kind of goody stuff.
MARK: I guess that means I’m going to have to pay more attention to that front page and keep it up-to-date. There is always the schedule there too. The “Search for Self”, Skype workshop is underway. We have session number two this Sunday, August 2nd at 7:30pm. September 10th – 14th, Serge and I will be taking Kris to the Colorado Seth conference and you can look that up at coloradosethconference.com. The following weekend, September 18th – 20th, Alan will be hosting us, “Kris in the Rockies”, and you can go to our website for information on that or you can email Alan. And that’s it. (Giggling)
JOHN: Well that doesn’t sound like much but actually those are some significant events …
MARK: Absolutely.
JOHN: … I think, coming up. All the early word about Kris in the Rockies suggests that that’s going to be a momentous event and I’m still not sure whether I’m going to personally be able to be there. It’s a bit of a financial situation, but I certainly will be there in spirit and I’ve heard some very exciting things about what is likely to transpire at that workshop.
SERGE: Well there are actually people driving from Ontario right down to Colorado.
JOHN: I know.
SERGE: So that’s kind of neat.
MARK: Possibly stopping in cities and picking people up. (Laughing)
ALAN: It’s kind of like “Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters”, they’re going to get a big bus and paint it all kinds of day glow colors. (Group laughter)
MARK: The partridge family bus. (Laughing)
ALAN: Or that one, yeah. Hey I might jump in here just while we’re on the subject of the conference. There is today and tomorrow to get in a the lesser rate for people signing up, so anybody that registers before tomorrow night saves themselves fifty bucks.
MARK: It’s worth it. And I guess people really should be considering about booking the hotel rooms down there.
ALAN: Well they’ve already gone through, from what I was told, gone through the least expensive ones they call “the garden rooms” and you know I told people from the start that this hotel will be booked solid on this weekend and to wait too long is to really take a risk of having to try and put a tent on the airplane. (Group laugher)
SERGE: You risk sleeping outside with the elk.
ALAN: And the bears.
SERGE: Yeah.
MARK: Yep better get on that people. It’s going to be worth it. That’s going to be an excellent workshop. There is going to be some changes, some really good material and I don’t want to give too much away. (Laughing) It’s exciting. Just as a little teaser, Serge, Kris and I have been going on a lot of walks lately and we’ve been talking about a lot of the transformations that have been happening and some personal stuff is in there and some private stuff of Serge and I and we’re going to try and take those sessions and put them into a little e-book and sell it. I don’t know, sell it on our website inexpensive and so people can get a better idea of what really has been going on behind the scenes in these changes, in these transformations, so we’re looking at trying to get that together very soon.
JOHN: That sounds great: A little e-book. Well that will be lovely so that you could just download that and …
MARK: Yep.
JOHN: Very nice. Would there be any audio in that?
MARK: No.
SERGE: Just text.
JOHN: Well the reason I’m asking is because of this whole new chant thing that’s going on you know. I don’t know about you guys but I’ve been chanting everyday. I haven’t missed a day yet.
MARK: I haven’t missed one yet either which surprises me but I’m proud to say I’ve kept it up.
JOHN: Well you know when Kris asks for a commitment, I figure he is not kidding around and so when I give a commitment you know, unless I’m hit by a …
MARK: It’s at least for twelve days. (Laughing)
JOHN: Well until something else comes up, yeah. How about you Alan? How is your chanting going?
ALAN: Well I’m up to about a half an hour a day now. I’ve discovered it is the perfect time to do it while driving between job sites in the car.
MARK: I use to take the bus to work or to the subway, from the house to the subway and now I walk it, which is roughly a fifteen-minute walk so that is my chant time. I don’t know what I’m going to do in the winter. (Giggling) But, we’ll figure that out when we get there.
ALAN: Well maybe there will be a shorter chant by then.
MARK: (Laughing). It’s freezing cold out, it’s freezing cold out, it’s freezing cold out. (Group laughter)
ALAN: Yeah what’s the Sanskrit for that John, look it up will you. (Group laughter)
JOHN: Well you know, I’m intrigued by this idea that, you see I did a little research on that chant he gave us, Om Namo Bhaghavate Vasudevaya. It’s actually exceedingly ancient that chant. It goes back into the misty dawn of time and when you’re talking the Vedas, we’re talking you know, four, five, six thousand years ago, that time frame and the information about it is, I mean obviously in that time frame the information is going to be translated and retranslated and possibly distorted but the idea behind them is that some, I believe it is called a Rishi, these are very-very wise men who are …
MARK: Which Kris has recently stated that they are actually speakers.
JOHN: Oh there you go. Well somehow they are able to come up with sequences of sounds which when repeated have a certain spiritual action right. Now it really doesn’t matter who is speaking those syllables, they somehow built right into the syllables, now this is a technology that I’m very …
MARK: It’s actually the other way around though, but the sounds came first. Sounds probably came before the existence of the universe. They’ve been applied now in this form in order to kick it up a notch. (Laughing)
JOHN: Well there is something very interesting in that. The idea that certain words could have imbedded in them, like this …
MARK: And the meanings, like there’s different religions that will take those very same words and apply different meaning that relates to their religion or their group or whatever, but it matter not what the meaning is. It’s the sounds them self.
JOHN: Yeah very interesting concept.
ALAN: Well you know another aspect of that too is supposedly a lot of ancient cultures used similar sounds to cut and move stone and that’s how some of these structures such as the pyramids got built. They weren’t you know, pushing these blocks with three hundred camels, they were you know, moving them by sound.
MARK: Wait till you read our e-book. (Laughing)
JOHN: Well that is helpful to know Alan because I wondered what’s been happening to the wall in front of where I’ve been doing my chanting.
MARK: Here I’ve been trying to push my couch around the room. (Group laughter)
JOHN: No, just kidding there. Well say something provocative Mark.
MARK: Yeah I know. (Group laughter)
ALAN: We get enough of that as it is.
MARK: We can always do a little bit of a recap. We talked last show about building a spiritual house for spiritual beings and here he comes. Saved by the bell.
KRIS: Do continue.
MARK: We talked a little bit about the trauma of the shift and actually putting together a community. The way I look at this is it’s like a retreat center where people can go and live or visit. It’s a self-sustaining community that people will always be there and they will grow their own food and be self-sufficient. They will not be inclusive. They will not exclude themselves from the rest of the word but they will not necessarily need things from the outside world and the object is to be there for people who want to come and visit and learn and widen their awareness. That’s where we’ll be.
KRIS: It is close enough.
MARK: It’s a good start anyway.
KRIS: We do want to point out a few things about the chanting. If you begin your own personal chanting session, looking for any observable phenomenon, subjective or objective, then you will miss the point of the exercise, but if you do the chant with gentle intent, a sincere intent to simply do the chanting and something does occur, subjective or objective, simply notice it, pay attention to it but stay with the chanting. Otherwise, if you are constantly on the look out for some phenomenon, perhaps you think you will levitate, then you will benefit in no capacity whatsoever. You will not levitate and you will not acquire any benefits from the chanting itself. Now when Doctor Kovelman was a guest, the discussion was about a third ventricle in the brain, “the cave of Brahma”. Do you recall that?
MARK: Yes I do.
JOHN: I wasn’t here.
MARK: You weren’t here. Hmm, ok.
KRIS: Now the chanting vibration created by your vocal chords, your palette, your sinus cavities, resonate up into the brain and into that area, the third ventricle. The third ventricle is also considered “the seat of the soul”. That is why it is often recorded in ancient literatures, that advanced Yogis could choose the time, the auspicious time of their departure by leaving through the brain, literally disengaging from the physical form occurs again in the third ventricle. So if you want to enhance your experience that much more, firstly we suggest that the chanting if it has to be, can be done while walking but if it is done while concerning yourself with driving and traffic and anything else that is important, you will again minimize the effects and you may incur conflict. Thus ideally it should be sitting in a nice comfortable place, not in your bed. If you have to, sit on the floor, sit on a cushion, sit with your back propped. You can also do the chanting while walking, preferably somewhere where there is not a constant flow of other walkers, perhaps in a nice park, a quieter area of some kind, even in your home where it is quiet and free of many distractions.
And to enhance the flavor of the experience, the taste of it, simply put your hand to your ear and softly chant this way so that the sound penetrates the ear much more easily as if you are chanting to and with yourself. You become the audience. And pay attention to the sound only. That should make a significant difference and please do not expect to walk through walls from the experience, it is not the point. Yes it will awaken deep dormant memories and even fragments and echoes, all kinds of experiences but that does not mean that you have to be constantly on the lookout for these things, that they will come to you. You may even receive certain realizations. Simply let them come. Continue your chanting. It is as simple a process as we can describe. There is no need to overcomplicate every issue. That is unfortunately a strictly western mind trait to overcomplicate everything. It need not be so complex. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Yes that makes sense.
MARK: Very much so.
KRIS: Indeed and the more gentle and consistent you are with the practice, the easier it will be. For all intents and purposes, how many days have you been doing this?
MARK: Since last Sunday isn’t it, or last Thursday, no …
JOHN: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, oh no two weeks, seven …
MARK: Two weeks, yeah.
KRIS: It is a week and a half.
JOHN: Twelve days, yeah.
KRIS: It is our, how do you say, it is unfortunate that in such a short amount of time, some may even be expecting miracles to occur. There are Yogis who have been chanting for years and do not get what some of you get from this. It truly does depend upon whom and how it is offered to you. That does make a big difference.
MARK: I’m actually very grateful that you did clarify this because it turns out I’m better at this than I thought, I’ve been dismissing, thinking, “ok you’re letting your mind stray, you’re doing this, that”, but these are the things that I should be looking for. Just allowing.
KRIS: Allowing does not necessarily mean that you should be looking for …
MARK: No.
KRIS: … these are two difference states.
MARK: I agree. I understand that.
KRIS: Indeed. Allowing means it simply comes.
MARK: Yeah.
KRIS: Looking for is something else. Looking for is the distraction.
MARK: True, yes.
KRIS: And looking for leads to speculation.
MARK: Well in the last twelve days I’ve been getting things that I thought …
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: … I should just allow them.
KRIS: And in the process of allowing you can simply acknowledge it and continue your chanting.
MARK: Thank you.
KRIS: As simple as that. Otherwise you will be so distracted that you may become distraught and it would take you hours to do what could take fifteen to twenty minutes.
MARK: That makes sense.
KRIS: It is another issue all together when Joseph chants for three hours. That is something else.
MARK: Yeah, I can imagine.
KRIS: So for those of you who chant for fifteen minutes and are seemingly discouraged that heavens have not opened up and brought you divine mystical secrets, think that Joseph is chanting for three hours and he has his own sets of realizations. They are par for the course of what he is undertaking. So for fifteen minutes for twelve days, do not be discouraged.
JOHN: Far from being discouraged Kris, I’m feeling wonderful about the chanting.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: It feels like coming home to me honestly. In the beginning there was some resistance but now, by golly, it feels good and I’m talking about the time of day when I’m not chanting. I still feel like, “oh, I’ve paid my dues, I’ve done my thing, I’ve aligned myself”, I don’t know, it gives me a comfort.
MARK: Agreed, I definitely notice a marked difference in my day as a result of the chanting, different perspectives.
KRIS: You may not necessarily recognize this but the more consistent and concentrated you become with the process, the more your mind becomes disciplined. You may not have noticed it so far but it does become more disciplined. Your minds are usually accustomed to behaving like a butterfly, on one flower for a moment, the next and the next. After a while the butterfly knows not which flower is what and your minds are often, do forgive the expression, but like mush. (Group giggling)
JOHN: I’m not sure I can forgive that actually. Actually the analogy that comes to my mind is that, for a long time my mind has been driving me around and I’ve been in, like the back seat, I’m not in the driver seat yet but at least I’m in the passenger seat. (Laughing)
KRIS: Indeed. That is the beginnings of simple mental discipline. The payoffs for that are far more than you can imagine at this point in time. It is still too early in the process. As it stands on its own, the mind does resist discipline because it likes to think that it is free but an undisciplined mind is not free. An undisciplined mind is basically slave to every whim, fancy and so on. And that often causes more distress than it is worth but because it is not accustomed to discipline it cannot fathom that process. The chanting also begins the gentle process of changing lead into gold. The chanting is a touchstone and it gradually changes the lead of the mind into gold. Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Yes indeed.
JOHN: Yeah were talking alchemy here.
KRIS: Indeed this is spiritual alchemy.
JOHN: Let me ask a stupid question. I’ve been working with you for what four years now, five years. Why didn’t we start the chanting on day one?
KRIS: If you put up resistances now, …
JOHN: Imagine …
KRIS: … how do you think the resistance would have been so long ago?
JOHN: I would have run screaming from the room.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: I think this whole little quote that you just gave on the disciplined mind is your answer. He’s been disciplining us as we go so to speak and getting our minds ready.
KRIS: Let us put it to you this way. You have heard and have read from others that you can receive impressions and communications from deep within so you think that every Tom, Dick and Harriet thought must be one of these communications and you think, even sometimes truly believe, that if you do not allow this kind of process, you will miss the communication, but how can the communications from the heart, from the soul, from the Paramatman, essence, ever reach a mind that does not shut up? It cannot get a word in edge wise.
JOHN: I hear you.
KRIS: Are you certain?
MARK: (Laughing)
JOHN: I wasn’t talking when you were talking, I was listening. (Laughing)
KRIS: Indeed. So that is our simple and humble premise.
JOHN: Ok, I understand that. I kind of knew that answer but I just wanted to clarify.
KRIS: Having a disciplined mind is one of the rare gifts that one can be offered and that one can offer to one self. It truly brings peace. Many of you are searching high and low, left, right, up and down, in this room and that room, for peace of mind and yet you do not have it. We are offering that simple process that can bring peace of mind. If for instance you notice that in trying to do the chanting you are always filled with so many monkeys chattering at the same time as you are trying to concentrate, then what can that demonstrate? That you truly did not have any peace of mind, that you may have thought you did and when you introduced the real deal, then there is objection because the mind does not like a certain amount of discipline. It is comparable to a certain amount of austerity in the mind. There are many kinds of austerities that are truly worthwhile. Simple austerities as practiced by the Mennonites, by the other group, what do you call them?
JOHN: There is a number of people …
KRIS: Indeed, very similar.
JOHN: Lot’s of people who do things that are …
KRIS: And for instance they decide, they choose as a people as a community to not participate as much with the comings and goings of the world.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: They are often a much happier people. Do you think that perhaps because they do not have three thousand cable channels that they can sit there and watch twenty-three hours of twenty-four, that they are not a happy people? They have a more self-centeredness, grounding, peace of mind and they have better economy. Why?
MARK: Self-sufficient.
KRIS: Because they are self-sufficient. They are not centralized, globalized and they do not depend on big corporation. They actually practice a profound exercise in value fulfillment. Their values are not being fulfilled by consumer goods but by their own human values. That is extraordinary in this day and age where it seems that the greatest endurable austerity is to perhaps consider missing one of your episodes of American Idol.
JOHN: Imagine that.
KRIS: The humanity of it all.
JOHN: Of course we’ve got it on TVO, we can watch it later.
MARK: (Laughing)
KRIS: So there you have it and we believe it is now time for break.
MARK: On that note yes.
BREAK: (Musical interlude)
MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design, a Kris media production here on thatchannel.com.
SERGE: So does anybody on the Skype group know what these other groups Kris talked about?
MARK: Well we came up with Quakers but what else?
ALAN: The Omish but they’re …
MARK: Omish!
SERGE: That’s the ones.
ALAN: But they are Mennonites.
SERGE: Ok, well just a different group of those.
MARK: Well that was the term I think we were all looking for.
ALAN: Yeah. The horse and buggy people.
MARK: Yep. (Giggling)
JOHN: Do you know, I’m not sure I’d want to do without my computer though. Isn’t a computer an austerity type of deal? No? Ok.
KRIS: Only if you operate windows. (Group laughter)
MARK: If I could just jump in quickly. We did go see Amma, “the hugging saint”, and one of the stories they were telling was a reporter asked her what she does when she is alone.
JOHN: Right.
MARK: And she said, “well I’m always alone”. And he said, “Well no, what do you do when you’re alone, when you’re in your room, do you surf the internet?” She goes, “no, no, no, I browse my own internal internet”. (Giggling) Sort of blew him out of the water.
JOHN: Could I have a blog on the internal Internet?
MARK: Absolutely.
JOHN: All right.
MARK: You could be blogging with your essence.
KRIS: Now there is again a great deal of concern and speculation about our mention of these kinds of communities. Some think that perhaps we are suggesting that everyone leave all of their worldly goods behind, their relationships, everyone. (Siren sounds)
MARK: There’s those sirens.
KRIS: There is no siren there. However, so many people think we are advocating returning to caveman style living where you bang your clothes on the riverbed to wash them. What we truly meant was that everyone will drink Kool-Aid right away.
MARK: (Laughing)
JOHN: Ok.
MARK: Oh that’s bad.
JOHN: That was a joke kids.
MARK: Yes that was a joke. (Laughing)
KRIS: We made no mention of returning to caveman like conditions. A self-sustaining community can still have links to the outside world, can still have technology. It simply is not what is concentrated upon all day long.
JOHN: Right, I get it.
KRIS: That is all.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: So in case you think that you will be a hunter-gatherer wearing animal furs carrying around big sticks, do put these thoughts out of your mind. That is not the intent, nor the reality. The main focus is developing a deeper state of transcendence. And it also does not mean that we are intending to create a new style hippie community where people get high all the time, wear torn clothes and smell bad. On the contrary, this place will exemplify the old idiom, “cleanliness is next to godliness”, because that is very important. Having clear clean consciousness also implies having clean physical conditions, body, habitat, etcetera, where many of the bad habits simply fall away because a completely new consciousness is being created. So we trust that this soothes some concerns. Are there any other inquiries?
MARK: Alan?
ALAN: No unfortunately I got disrupted by blasts of audio in my headset and I’ve lost track of the whole conversation.
MARK: Is there anybody with questions on Skype?
ALAN: Yeah but unfortunately I can’t relate, I don’t know what to relate them to. (Group laughter)
JOHN: Ok.
MARK: Towards the community we plan on building.
ALAN: Ok. Well I guess if that’s what’s this is about, Bonnie has wondered if they’re talking organic here and I would say well it would have to be organic.
MARK: Most definitely.
KRIS: Indeed and organic does not mean we eat organs.
MARK: (Laughing) Yeah it’s definitely about growing our own without all the stuff that, chemicals and stuff that people are putting in, the major corporations are putting into their products.
ALAN: There is one thing that Bill has chimed in on, wondering if there is any particular area or areas of the country, at least in the United States that might be favored areas.
KRIS: Our main specification is that it should be somewhere where foods can be grown year round. So the climate has to support that. The land has to have specific requirements as well. We are suggesting that it conform to the Vedic exercise in Vastu which is a precursor to Feng shui.
MARK: Vastu.
KRIS: V-a-s-t-u. That will allow, by following the specific requirements, allow maximum influx of energy. It is one thing to say it is all about beliefs, but by putting this into action, it will validate specific beliefs and quite specifically, in alignment with the North East, where the sun rises – this will encourage that particular connection with what you like to call energy.
MARK: Now are you talking about the property itself or the building on the property?
KRIS: Both.
MARK: And you also stated that it should not be coastal.
KRIS: That is correct.
MARK: Inland somewhere.
ALAN: Damn, there goes Hawaii.
JOHN: Yeah but not being coastal makes good sense when you consider some of the climate trends lately.
MARK: People tend to gravitate there too and there’s always the possibility of flooding, storms and the whole bit.
ALAN: Yeah well of course if global warming keeps up, what we think of as coastal will be the middle of Illinois.
KRIS: With these simple enough requirements, maximum benefits can be incorporated into the productive and value filled lives of the individuals that either live and commit themselves to the goals and ideals, as well as those who would visit. Rising before the sunrise does also allow activation of certain areas in all four ventricles of the brain because the influx of that energy, that plasma that enters through such a processes, through the North East, assists the brain in its journey, assists the individual in his or her journey. It is an ancient practice and it has been practiced for these thousands of years, specifically because of its benefits. Individuals can during the day take a nap but there is a great deal of benefit to rise before the sun does.
MARK: I have to agree, my chant walk to the subway, I actually get to see the sunrise and that few moments is very profound for me each day. It is a highlight for me and it can make a big difference in my day.
KRIS: That is when, by awakening before the sunrise, and all the ventricles in the brain but specifically the third, it responds to the influx of plasma coming through the earths magnetic field, directed by the North East alignment and brings in that particular resonance that assists in awakening. Most people in the western world have never been exposed to this, or in very small quantities, and are not accustomed to this kind of thing, but it certainly has its benefits.
MARK: And another benefit for those that have read “Discourses on Dreams” is that it is a very good idea to go to bed at least two hours before midnight.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: Again because of the gravitational pull of the electromagnetic field of the earth.
KRIS: Indeed the changes. Thus by retiring before, in this period, preferably around 10:00 pm, getting that two hours of sleep before midnight, also benefits the body tremendously, again if there is an alignment of the head towards the North East.
JOHN: Well that … Go ahead.
KRIS: Basically put, the flow of plasma from the sun hitting the North Pole, entering the atmosphere from that particular point of origin, creates a flow that aligns you with the very planets magnetic resonance and “the seat of the soul”, Brahma’s cave, in the brain, how do you say, optimally would choose that orientation. Your brain changes in certain frequencies depending upon your alignment. Maximum benefits, North East.
JOHN: Now that, I’m going to ask a question here that reaches back into time Kris. A while back, years ago, you gave us an exercise and you said figure out where the influx of “idea energy” was coming into your home, and we were to stand up and relax and just let our bodies walk toward where the direction might be. Now I hung a puppet in the window where I felt that that was for me and a few days ago, I was listening to one of your recent talks and you mentioned the North East and you’ll never guess what corner of my home that puppet is hanging in.
KRIS: How could we guess.
JOHN: My question for you is, at the time, you know of course you were very discrete, and everybody’s answers were you know what it was. Is the answer to that question now that we have the maturity to look back on it, the North East? (Kris nods) Well I’m giving myself a gold star because that’s the corner I found.
KRIS: You may notice there is the occasional entry point somewhere else but the major influx is North East.
MARK: The North East corner of our place in inside a closet and there is no way I’m going back in there. (Group laughter)
JOHN: No but you could take the door off and turn it into a shrine or something right? Well that’s very interesting to find that out Kris and just my compliments to you because it’s much more impactful to find that out three and a half years later through a circuitous means, than it would have been for you to say at that time, “North East dummy”. (Laughing)
MARK: The object was for us to detect it.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: We are simple, what can we say.
JOHN: Simple but not easy.
KRIS: Never. Are there any other inquiries?
ALAN: One thing I might kind of post on behalf of several different people from different sources and that is could you make a comment on what elements of this community, or what principles would allow it to survive and prosper where other, you know similar kinds of communities over the years and in various places have tried and failed?
KRIS: Indeed. Now we would make the comment that certainly there are various communities that set-up shop and eventually close up shop but there are also a great number of them that have set-up shop and are still operating. So because you may hear of one or two here and there that did not work out, does not mean that they all failed. Secondly, our basic principle is in the Vedas and from that you will learn that service and community are prime. Without that service, both to your own spirituality, to those that are present in the community, to those who may visit, to those surrounding the community, and to your own highest spiritual ideals, that is service and self-sufficiency not centralized, globalized dependency on others for your survival. Everyone likes to think yes they are free but your very survival depends on globalized, centralized governments, food, and so on and so forth. So our principles are that every human being, not only in the community, but every human being should have the opportunity to fulfill his or her values to the utmost. You may have a certain amount of value fulfillment by shopping at Macy’s or The Bay but once you discover there is a deeper dimension to this value fulfillment, perhaps something else will interest you, something we have to offer. And with that we believe it is time to wish everyone a good evening and we thank you deeply and humbly for having been part of our production for these years and keep visiting the website for further details.
MARK: Absolutely. Thank you.
KRIS: And we again thank you deeply.
JOHN: Thank you Kris.
MARK: Thank you Kris.
ALAN: Thank you Kris.
MARK: Well everybody that’s it. Thank you all for being a part of our show and thank you Alan.
ALAN: Oh you guys too. It’s been a pleasure.
MARK: And definitely keep watching the websites and the forums, we are looking at new ways, new means of bringing Kris to you and allowing for expanded participation in anyway we can, so keep and eye out and have a good night everyone.
JOHN: Good night everybody.
ALAN: Good night everybody.
ITS: Higher Form of Knowledge
July 26, 2009
Identity. What you are NOT and what you may be. You are NOT your body. These basic premises can lead you to heightened or widened awareness. To gain access to that widened awareness Kris has suggested that we should live simply and think highly, which includes learning how to access your “Highest Form of Knowledge”.
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Summary: ITS: Highest Form of Knowledge
July 26, 2009
Identity. What you are NOT and what you may be. You are NOT your body. These basic premises can lead you to heightened or widened awareness. To gain access to that widened awareness Kris has suggested that we should live simply and think highly, which includes learning how to access your “Highest Form of Knowledge”.
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