RBD: Deeper Structures

January 29, 2009

During this Reality by Design Radio Show Kris explains the difference between Surface Structures and DEEPER STRUCTURES. Language and beliefs are surface structures that try to express those Deeper Structures of Self.

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RBD: Deeper Structures

January 29, 2009

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 29, 2009

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Reality by Design: A Kris Media Production here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with my pal, John Hawkins.

JOHN: Well thank you Mark. And yes, it’s lovely to be back on Reality by Design. And we are sitting with our friend, Serge.

SERGE: Thank you. And yes, it’s nice to be in the studio all ready for all sorts of new things.

MARK: Now before we get started I just wanted to apologize. Due to station renovations here at That Radio and ThatChannel.com, we cannot connect with Alan or our Skype-people. They’re rewiring and moving things around and they pulled the plug.

SERGE: But they can still wave.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Well you know it’s funny, I’m just listening to your Mark, and I know that, you know, some days you’re feeling perky and spunky and . . . But what I wanted to say was, “Have you ever thought of being, like, a DJ?” [Mark laughs.] ‘Cause you’ve got a real good delivery. You can talk faster than I can think.

MARK: I don’t know how I did it tonight. I did have some extra “oomph” in there tonight. But as you know, I’m in incredible pain. I’m not feeling well at all. And I ALMOST didn’t come out tonight. But, you know, here I am. As soon as they say go, it’s suddenly, here I am.

JOHN: Well I’ll bet you a nickel . . . I’m just going to make a bet here with you. I’ll bet you a nickel that one hour from now . . .

MARK: As soon as they say “Cut”, I’m going to drop to the floor.

JOHN: [Laughing.] No, you’re gonna’ feel much better. That’s my prediction. Anyway, we’re gonna’ pick up the threads from last week’s show, which was a humdinger, I thought. All those beliefs.

MARK: It was a great show, wasn’t it, with Marcos Garay.

JOHN: Yep.

MARK: About financial stability in this environment.

JOHN: As a matter of fact, I don’t think I’m speaking out of turn here if I share with the gang that a committee has been struck. And there’s a group of us who are meeting on Skype and talking about how to take some of those ideas forward. And just stay tuned. I think there’s going to be some interesting developments in the next couple of months coming out of that. Definitely I think the world . . . How am I gonna say this? There couldn’t be a better time, I don’t think, than now to talk about some of this stuff with the leaders in the financial world, because, let’s face it, they’re open to new ideas.

MARK: Yeah. [Laughing.]

SERGE: Well they can’t get any deeper in the barrel.

[Laughter.]

MARK: When they say . . .

SERGE: It’s only . . .

MARK: [Continuing] … that there last resort is prayer, but no, it’s channeling!

[Laughter.]

SERGE: The only way, the only way they can go is up now.

JOHN: That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. That’s something we could share with them.

MARK: It’s only because here we’ve had the keys all along and we’ve been dangling that ladder in front of them the whole time.

JOHN: Yeah, I know. But you know, people need to . . . You can lead a horse to water, right? They had to be in the mood. They had to be thirsty. They had to be in the mood to want to accept it. As long as people think that the way they’re doing things is workin’ fine then they’re deaf to any new ideas.

MARK: Yeah. That’s true. Yeah, that reminds me of what Kris has been saying lately with the different stages of accepting new beliefs. And third or fourth on the list is “doubt”. Once you start to doubt your existing beliefs it’s a very good sign.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: ‘Cause then you’re ready for new beliefs.

JOHN: And that’s something I think a lot of people, including myself, sometimes overlook, is that a feeling of being a little bit disoriented, a little bit mixed up, not knowing which way to turn and feeling that your life is maybe a tiny bit upside down . . .

MARK: [Laughing.] You’re describing my mood right now.

JOHN: No, but the punch line is that this is all good stuff. Right?

MARK: Yeah, absolutely.

JOHN: If you were full of yourself and thought you knew everything and didn’t care what other people and, you know . . . Then you’re closed. You can’t grow.

MARK: My middle name would be “W”.

[Laughter.] [The telephone rings.]

MARK: It’s not a call in show, folks.

JOHN: No, I don’t know what that is.

MARK: Just a very quick note for the people that are taking the “Change Your Life” workshop every Tuesday. We are skipping this coming Tuesday.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: And . . . one second.

BLU: Alan is on the phone.

MARK: And we have Alan on the line.

SERGE: Are you there, Alan?

ALAN: I can just barely hear you guys.

MARK: Oh, there’s probably a delay, right?

SERGE: Can you hear us now?

ALAN: Let me turn my sound up and see if I can clear it up a little bit.

JOHN: Well how very resourceful of you, Alan, to call on a landline. Imagine. That’s pretty old technology for us now.

MARK: Hope you have a good long distance plan.

ALAN: Hey, I can’t take all the credit for it. They suggested I try it.

SERGE: They bossed you around?

MARK: Seems so weird, so old fashioned.

JOHN: Yeah. Remember when we used to get phone calls from people around the world?

MARK: Oh, I know.

SERGE: From Japan and from . . .

MARK: And we’d get the crank callers. Do you remember that?

JOHN: Anyway. So how are you doin’, Alan? Is everything all right on your end?

ALAN: Yeah, great. It’s a little harder to hear you guys because of the hookup, but I’ll try to pay attention here and see if I can’t put my two cents in.

MARK: Now if you listen to us on the radio on the computer, is there a delay?

ALAN: May not be, this way.

MARK: Okay. Hopefully not.

JOHN: Well he’s on the phone, not the computer.

MARK: Yeah, but I’m just saying since he’s having trouble hearing us though the phone, if he were to put his headset on from the computer, I wonder . . .

JOHN: Oh, I see.

MARK: But if there’s a delay that’s annoying.

JOHN: Right.

ALAN: Yeah. I think there still is a delay. I’m not sure, cause’ I just switched over from the video, and it looks like John’s talking is off a little bit.

MARK: Yeah. Okay.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: [Moves his lips with no sound then speaks through his closed mouth.]Can you hear me now?

[Laughter.]

SERGE: We can do like the old Japanese movies.

MARK: Godzilla.

SERGE: Yeah. Move your mouth and two minutes later words come out. So how did the show last week go from your end, Alan?

ALAN: [Laughing.] What’d we do? No, seriously, I thought it went great. And we’ve still got a bug or two to work out, but I think this guest spot’s gonna’ work really well for us.

MARK: Yeah. I definitely enjoyed that. It was a very good conversation. And it was really nice to have Marcos on the line. It’s always good to hear his voice. He’s got some good insights.

JOHN: Yeah. People are raving about that show because, and saying, “Oh, you know, spread that around.” As a matter of fact, that might be a very nice little ambassador, in a sense, of an introduction to Kris, in a way. Because everybody’s got their hand in their pocket saying, you know, grabbin’ onto their wallet and saying, you know, Hail Mary, or whatever. And so it’s a topic that has got a built-in wide, wide audience.

MARK: You can’t get much wider than money.

JOHN: So have the . . . any new word about the Puerto Vallarta experience.

MARK: Not Puerto Vallarta, but I do have some information about the Toronto workshop.

JOHN: Oh. Oh, yes.

MARK: Yeah. There was a problem with the hotel. We had reserved for June 6th and 7th in a section of the ballroom, because we definitely have outgrown the Frontenac Room where we had the last two or three previous workshops. And they had supposedly penciled us into the ballroom and I called to get the rates and verify, and everything. And he said, “No. No. No. No. I’ve got you in the Frontenac Room.” It’s like, “No. No. No. No. We’re in the ballroom.” And it turns out the ballroom is now booked by somebody else.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Which in the long run, it worked out in our favor because that particular weekend there’s a huge, huge medical conference in town. Every hotel in the city, their rates doubled and the rooms are hard to get hold of, and to get around the city is hard. So we picked the following weekend, June 13th and 14th. And the rates for the hotel rooms came down for the guests, and our rate came down, and we got a much nicer suite than we were in. So we’re happy about that. And I started tonight to fiddle with the web page for it, so I’m hoping to have the web site up really soon.

JOHN: Fine. So June 13/14, that’s still a very nice time of year . . .

MARK: Oh. A beautiful time.

JOHN: . . . here in Toronto.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: Yep.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: So how about the fact that there’s no such thing as limiting beliefs, and . . . You’ve been reading my Facebook page, haven’t you? . . . no such thing as beliefs. I’m still getting’ my noggin wrapped around that. I think . . . You know, my take on it is, he’s really into, Kris, I mean, is into this idea of “surface structures” and “deep structures”. Right? And in the same way that language is a surface structure that, you know, talks about processes that are deep in the same way beliefs are surface ideas that are just a pale imitation of what . . .

MARK: Inner interactions.

JOHN: . . . what’s really going on at a deep layer.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: So I think that’s what he means there, although I certainly stand corrected. And I may be, in a moment.

MARK: We just got rescued.

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable. And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: Now this notion of surface and deep structures, we suggest it to be very important for your consideration. Very few people do give any consideration to their words as symbols, and for language itself as symbolic of deeper representations, deep processes that can be expressed in so many words. Whereas if you did take the time to describe all of the actions, say in the act of breathing, you would likely lose your breath. If you had to begin to describe how all the small muscles involved with the functioning of the lungs have to contract and then release for you to take in oxygen, and everything involved in it, it is much easier from your point of view to simply say that you are breathing.

JOHN: Right. As a matter of fact, I second that. I think that’s very sensible of us.

KRIS: Indeed. As such, the words that you utilize to describe other phenomenon that exist at deeper structures, other movements of energy, these words themselves are not specifically the event itself, but they indicate what these processes are all about and what is involved with them. As such, to expect that words and surface structures are the end all and be all is not very different indeed than suggesting that everything that occurs in your life is the product and results of the ego, up to and including any challenges that you encounter. For instance, considering that the ego alone is responsible for the creation of your reality.

JOHN: Oh, I see what you’re saying. Yes. Yeah, that’s not gonna’ get you very far.

KRIS: Indeed not. This way, we are delving deeper into the actual structures of energy as they are being built up, as they are being utilized by you to literally form and give shape to your experience of reality. By understanding those deeper layers of action, you can easily become aware of how to manage and direct that momentum of your consciousness because it puts you in direct contact with the mechanisms of your perceptions – thus in direct contact with the ability to manipulate consciousness since perception is consciousness. Is it not?

JOHN: Yes. And perception is how we create our experience of reality.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well what struck me, very, very strongly, was this idea that language, for instance, or beliefs as well, these surface structures, yes, they are a translation and a symbolic expression of these deeper processes. However, the influence runs both ways. In other words, it’s not just that language is influenced by deeper structures, but deeper structures are influenced by language.

KRIS: That is correct.

JOHN: I love that.

KRIS: Thus by becoming aware of both sides of the fence, as it were, you can get a much better picture or lay of the land. Thus you know what the landscape is about and what you can do with it. Now earlier at your earlier group dinner, you had an interesting mention of how we organize and present material, how we function, and how we literally sculpt the information so as to widen your awareness. Now the website that Phillip and Joseph have is called Kris Chronicles. Whom can quickly define the word “chronicles”?

JOHN: Chronicles are stories, a series of stories, often ancient stories, almost like mythology of famous or noteworthy people in a culture.

KRIS: There is more.

MARK: Ongoing is the word that comes to my mind. You can have the chronicle being a newspaper that comes out daily bringing you a continuous flow of information.

KRIS: Chronicles also describes a particular type of evolving journey. And any journey involves evolution of some kind. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Sure.

KRIS: Now, though in some respects, the Kris Chronicles tells a variety of stories, which leads into personal journeys for each and every one of you, it truly is much more about your chronicles, how you take the information, how you mold it to your own intent, how you travel through time and space simply following your journey – travelling with your stories. That is, in some ways, how the title came about. It is not so much “our” journey, but about “your” journey.

JOHN: Well that may be one of the reasons that you often suggest that people share their experiences on the form.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Because from what you’re saying, those are the Kris Chronicles, is how people, the stories of how people actually engage the material.

KRIS: And it is always so much more pleasant when travelling companions share stores.

JOHN: Oh yeah. And helpful. Somebody comin’ the opposite way can say, “Oh, there’s somethin’, there’s a swamp up over that hill. Watch your step.”

MARK: Or better yet, “There’s something beautiful over there. You’ve just gotta see.”

JOHN: I like your attitude.

KRIS: So the main thrust is that your journeys are important. They are indeed very valuable, whether you realize this or not. You may, from your own point of view, be convinced that your journey is unique and your own, and that you are more or less travelling alone. But you are never alone. Your, each of your own individual journeys is shared with everyone else. Whether you realize it being done so or not is irrelevant. Thus you, through your own subconscious mechanisms, through your own intuitions and telepathy, broadcast your own private chronicles to the universe. As such, being All That Is, you enjoy the sharing because it is as much part of the journey as any adventure you have on that journey.

JOHN: Oh, I like that idea. So the sharing is as important as what we’re sharing?

KRIS: And anything else you do on the journey.

JOHN: I like that. I think you said something, maybe a year ago that really changed my life. You said that every single communication had meaning and value.

KRIS: It has to. Do you remember why?

JOHN: Oops.

[Mark laughs.]

KRIS: Because you have value. You have meaning. You are the meaning of the universe. You are the meaning of life.

JOHN: Well what that helped me do, Kris, I had been in a situation where I was basically . . . I’d gotten into my apartment and pulled in the walls and the doors and the windows and I shut out the world. And I didn’t even like answering the phone. And that little comment of yours helped me turn that around so that now, . . . Well to be honest, I still sometimes get pissed off at telemarketers. But basically my attitude is, I’m up for any form of communication with anybody because it’s all valuable.

KRIS: Indeed. If even one aspect of your existence were deemed less valuable or even of having no value, it would more or less incapacitate the flow of your own value. There simply cannot be anything that is of no value.

JOHN: “Cause if I’m experiencing it, because I have meaning and value, there you go.

KRIS: And that is why it can truly deepen your experience to appreciate how valuable you, as an individual, are. We understand there are occasions in some people’s lives where someone may even believe that their lives have no value. Such instances are, in themselves, an instant attention-grabber. It might even be that the understandings you have concerning your psychologies and many of your humanistic perspectives need to revisit those situations instead of considering that such a mindset is an affliction. And instead take it into consideration that it is a red flag, that it is an indicator that the individual’s own inner compass has gone astray, so to speak, that it is a symptom not a malady. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Um-hmm.

MARK: So you’re saying that behavior itself is a communication.

KRIS: It is a communication and indication that attention needs to be drawn in this part of the psyche, in this particular room in the house something is off. Attention needs to be brought in “here”. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah. For sure.

KRIS: Most of your human ills would likely be so much more easily recognized and addressed if such a point of view were taken into consideration, that the moment you feel such situations it is not a cry for medication but instead a yell for recognition – something very entirely different. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Um-hmm. For sure.

KRIS: It simply means that at some deep level the individual has recognized that a portion or aspect of their overall life has an unrecognized value.

JOHN: Ah. That’s interesting. An unrecognized value. So value will out. Value wants to be recognized.

KRIS: Indeed, because the individual innately understands that his or her life has value and is meaningful. And when there is an indicator that an aspect of one’s life, a part of one’s self cannot connect with its meaningfulness and value, then you have a little domino effect where all the other parts of self, all the other aspects of self, seek to communicate that sense of value. But it cannot be done for the individual. The individual has to claim it. Now we believe it is time for your break.

MARK: Thank you.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design: A Kris Media Production here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator. I’m sitting here with John, Serge and Alan on the telephone. We’re having a great conversation here about deeper structures and surface structures.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: And language. And, a pretty cool discussion.

JOHN: Yeah. Do you know that he made a couple of points that rang my bells? He said that the Kris Chronicles was really not Kris’ stories. And when you think about it, it’s true. He doesn’t tell us a lot about his . . . Heaven knows what kind of stories he could tell us, right? But the stories, the Kris Chronicles are us, the Orodin, our stories, which I thought was lovely. The other point was that when we sense a blockage or an issue, or a communication coming through, and we don’t like it, and it’s uncomfortable and it’s not what we wanted to create, that it is about a value going unrecognized. I thought that was very nice too.

MARK: That’s a big one for me too. He was talking about pain and illness and . . .

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: . . . those types of communications. A portion of self has an unrecognized value just screaming to be heard. I think my back is screaming right now saying, “Move to a climate without snow!”

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Now you see, that would be a surface interpretation, I think.

MARK: That’s true. Indeed. Even I understood that.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: How’s it going from your end, Alan?

ALAN: Well, you know another thing that Bonnie and Nora were talking about is the idea of “allowing”. And this “value unrecognized” question is, you know, “Where’s the value in a telemarketer’s call?”

[Laughter.]

SERGE: I think they have their own system.

JOHN: Well . . . Go ahead.

ALAN: And Mark, you’ve got some company. Nardine said she hurt her back yesterday.

MARK: Shoveling sand?

[Laughter.]

ALAN: Yeah, shoveling sand probably.

MARK: They’re in a slightly warmer climate down there right now. In fact it’s quite hot. I believe they’re having a heat wave.

JOHN: Yeah. I think that’s like . . . Don’t they call that sub-tropical?

MARK: Well it’s summer down there.

JOHN: Yeah. But even where she’s at is a completely different climate.

SERGE: It’s below the equator.

JOHN: Yeah. Well Nardine, I hope your back gets better. And I hope that whatever value is being unrecognized there gets some recognition.

ALAN: She says it’s 43 C. down there.

MARK: Wow.

JOHN: Wow.

MARK: That’s hot. That’s like 110 Fahrenheit.

JOHN: Welcome back, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. There are, relatively speaking, two kinds of communications that you receive.

MARK: [Laughing.] Text and email?

KRIS: The kinds of communication that you like and want and desire to hear. And then there is the type of communication that may impart information to you that you do not care to hear about that may even provoke change, perhaps through controversy and conflict of values. That latter kind of communication is often the one you are so ready to strike at, because that kind of communication anticipates change. The first type of communication usually anticipates how everything is always nicely the same. And you would fight to the death to keep things the same than you would to move towards anything you need to change.

MARK: So those unwanted communications are really the catalysts for change?

KRIS: Indeed. And they, by themselves, are truly benign. But because they incorporate a kind of change from your present situation, you may be tempted to fight tooth and nail to keep what you already have as the status quo, even if the status quo itself is jeopardizing your wellbeing.

JOHN: Wow. That’s some kind of twisted attachment to sameness, isn’t it?

KRIS: Indeed. It is stronger even than your so-called “will to survive”.

JOHN: Well who built that into the blueprints?

KRIS: You did.

[Laughter.]

MARK: [Laughing.] You’re fired.

JOHN: Well all right. So there must be a reason. I mean, there must be a value being, going unrecognized there.

MARK: Well otherwise, we would sit there in that unpleasantness forever. You know, it gets us motivated to change to something more likeable.

JOHN: Yeah, but the idea that we cling to . . . I mean, why set up something that’s going to be such a fight? You know what I mean?

MARK: Because we, as a species, have this fear of change. We like things to be the same, they like to be known, regardless. And that’s unfortunate because we are a species of change.

KRIS: Look at the present difficulties in the financial markets around the world. They have more or less been the same for decades. Even when collapse was imminent, long before last fall, yet it was easier to keep it the same because you did not have to put any effort into keeping things the same. You simply close your awareness to anything that contradicts potential change. And that speaks greatly to your addiction to duplicity. On the one hand you may claim that duplicity is something you want to move beyond. And at the same time, it acts as fuel, basically of an explosive kind, to get you to move. Do you follow?

JOHN: You might want to unpack that a little bit.

KRIS: Indeed. Inquire.

JOHN: The idea . . . duplicity is the idea of saying that “this is better and that is worse”. Am I right?

KRIS: It may even go deeper than that.

JOHN: Or are you saying, “I like this. This is good. I don’t want that. I want it out of my life.” Would that be duplicity?

KRIS: Even deeper.

JOHN: All right.

KRIS: On the one hand smiling and saying everything is hunky-dory. And at the same time, within you, you are barely keeping it together simply because you know everything is NOT what you pretend it is. It is a form of self-denial.

JOHN: Oh, so you’re talking, using duplicity in the normal sense of the word as being, basically, lying to yourself?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: All right. Okay. So, yeah. But isn’t . . .

KRIS: Basically saying that even though it is midnight, you try to convince yourself and others that it is high noon.

JOHN: Right. Now is there something to be said about the idea that duplicity, like judgments, are part of the deal? We can’t not . . .

KRIS: And herein comes the conundrum. Because it is part of a process, to fight or oppose it actually leads you deeper into the pit because it focuses your attention on what you do not want. And the moment you stop the fighting, the moment you put the brakes on, simply to recognize the lay of the land, if you wish, recognize what is before you, accept the reality that is before you so that you can then move out. A great deal of individuals would instead, more or less, refuse to recognize the reality that is there because they believe it is a form of capitulation, therefore perhaps even a form of weakness and cowardice. However, a good strategist, a great general, can recognize both the potential of his armed forces as well as the pitfalls and the Achilles heels and make appropriate decisions. A good general does not send ten men, trying to empower them with positivity, to fight an army of ten thousand enemies. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes I do. So my reading is that I’m the general and the various aspects and choices and decisions in my life are the resources I have to work with.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And that I marshal those resources, and allocate them in a way that is . . . shows some wisdom. Okay.

KRIS: Thus a wise general makes full use of the resources he has with him, NOW. And a wise general would likely be a good strategist, taking every opportunity to maximize his position. Now we are not saying that you need to go to war in order to put these into effect. But then again, many times you do go to war with yourselves.

JOHN: Um-hmm. Well actually, Mark and I were chatting before about our approach to the signals that our bodies are giving us of illness or pains or what have you. And I’m thinking back to a discussion you and I had two weeks ago where you explained that from childhood we, and here I mean “I”, was taught to attack and take the weed whacker to any kind of pain or discomfort, and try and kill it in essence . . . Well not in essence . . . but, try and kill it and get it out of my life without any regard. And the suggestion you made was, “By golly, Johnny. Why don’t you open yourself, accept what’s happening, establish rapport with your . . “. And so that’s what Mark and I have been doing. Let’s say a back pain is a good example. So when I feel a pain in the back, I say, “Oh. I’m not gonna’ get the week whacker out.” I’m gonna’ say, “Oh, I accept this as a wonderful, very, very, valuable gift from my whole self and I open myself to the information coming through.” Now honestly, at that point I don’t often get a lot of information coming through that’s clear. But that doesn’t stop me. I then say, “I give permission to my subconscious, neo-conscious, to just take care of whatever needs to be taken care of and I’m on board in terms of consciously cooperating in any way I can.” And on we go with our day. How’s that for a strategy?

KRIS: It flows very nicely.

MARK: I add that one sentence from EFT. And that is, “I deeply and completely accept myself.”

JOHN: Yeah. Okay, good.

KRIS: The main point of all this centers around meaning in your life. And again, the point being, that you ARE the meaning of your life, that you do not have to the sages on the mountain tops to be told what the meaning of life is all about. You ARE that meaning. You ARE the thing that makes your life go round, if you wish. And the more you can appreciate that, the easier it becomes to recognize those kinds of communications.

Look at children. Children will play games. They may even pretend to play dead, because it gives them a sense of what death is like. They also can pretend to be ill. Many children can, quite literally, bring their body temperature up by pretending. And especially when they discover that if they can pretend to truly be sick when they do not want to do something, they establish a cause and effect. “I pretend to be sick. I am sick. Therefore I do not have to do this and that. I can get out of school. I can get out of doing homework. I can get out of taking the garbage out or doing dishes.” That establishes a very interesting pattern at an early age.

By demonstrating what the adults have a long time ago forgotten that they can do, the children get a response. Mommy flies off the handle because little Bobby has a fever, and that reinforces the severity of little Bobby’s condition that he has been creating. And after a short while, because the pattern is so nicely ingrained, little Bobby forgets why he may get sick. And therefore, little Bobby knows he does not want to do such and such. Perhaps there is something difficult at school he does not want to do. Little Bobby gets the mumps.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: We are not saying here that this is lying and cheating children. They are discovering how to form their patterns. They are literally programming themselves. And they do so by observing how the parents behave and how the adults in their environment behave. They mimic them. They may see that mommy does not want to go to work because there is some very big meeting and she does not want to have to deal with any of the jack “beeps” out in the meeting.

JOHN: So she gets a headache.

KRIS: She gets a migraine. She gets a fever. Little Bobby makes his own associations and he begins to establish certain patterns.

JOHN: Okay. So fast-forward to me here now, fifty-eight years old with a pain in my back. Can I extrapolate from what you’re saying the idea that there may be a challenge that I perceive in my future, or around me, and in order to . . . I may be a little nervous about that challenge. And I may be avoiding it by having a pain in my back. Is that . . . ?

KRIS: That may be part of the communication. The other part is that your own neo-conscious may be trying to alert you that you have this pattern and it actually is hampering you from developing towards your own potentials. It may be even trying to communicate to you that the pattern itself is a judgment you have placed on yourself. Therefore you consider that you are being limited in some way, also whilst it is you who have limited yourself.

JOHN: So the judgment I’m making on myself might be that I’m not potentially equal to whatever the challenge is that I see.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I see.

KRIS: And as we have suggested before, your so-called limiting or negative beliefs are judgments about yourself.

JOHN: Uh-huh. Okay. So there’s value there.

KRIS: Positive and constructive beliefs are also judgments about yourselves. They are in an expanding way.

JOHN: Right. Yes, I like that formulation actually. [There are] two different kinds of beliefs, one that limits your potential and one that expands it. It’s very simple.

KRIS: And what you consider limiting beliefs are simply unrecognized potentials.

JOHN: Values waiting to be recognized.

KRIS: Indeed. You may consider that the stone that is on the roadside on your journey may be an ugly stone, and perhaps you will push it, kick it or throw it somewhere because it is just a stupid stone. You may fail to recognize that it is a big, gold nugget. Point taken?

JOHN: Point taken. And especially since you stub your toe on that as you’re walking along.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You know, it’s not like it’s just lyin’ there. It gets in your face and then you say hmm. Instead of just accepting the gift you throw it in the field. Yes, point taken.

KRIS: Indeed, because it simply does not meet “some” of your expectations.

JOHN: Well it may be a little dirty on the outside.

KRIS: Indeed. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Any comments or questions?

MARK: I just keep thinking back to my own childhood, and not so much that I would imagine being sick but the few times that I was sick enough to not go to school was rewarding, definitely rewarding.

KRIS: Indeed. You may get extra helpings of ice cream and Jell-O, extra toys, extra loving attention from mom. You may get tucked in far more that day. You might even be allowed to watch television programs you would not normally be allowed to watch. You might even be excused from eating your broccoli.

JOHN: Yeah. I got ginger ale.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Yeah, flat ginger ale.

JOHN: Unending quantities of ginger ale.

MARK: It’s supposed to be flat.

JOHN: Oh, is it?

MARK: It’s good for the stomach.

KRIS: There are certain built-in rewards to your actions. As you grow older you forget all of these things and you feel entrapped by the patterns you have created to begin with.

JOHN: Let me ask a question for a young parent who’s got a kid who’s got whatever right now. I mean, is taking extra care of your kid when he’s sick pampering them and encouraging them to have this kind of pattern?

KRIS: It is always nice to give extra attention. But also having a frank discussion, knowing what the pattern building is all about. You may even have, as a parent, a good idea of what the child is resisting. Have a frank discussion with the child about the issue that he or she may be refusing to approach and deal with. And it may be far bigger than you suspect. It may even involve a bully at school or some other condition the child feels overwhelmed by. That may bring about the underlying, deeper structure. And this can be truly empowering.

JOHN: For you and the kid.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: So in a way, by extension, if your kid has got some kind of a sickness, it may be, by extension that that’s your reality, never mind it’s your kid. So there may be a challenge or a value that you’re overlooking or not engaging.

KRIS: And it must be understood that we are NOT diminishing or minimizing any serious conditions . . .

JOHN: Oh, of course not.

KRIS: . . . that are encountered throughout life . . .

JOHN: Sure.

KRIS: . . . either from children or from adults. But there are always underlying reasons above and beyond that established by medicines, that you are somehow or other a victim of these bad little germies.

JOHN: Yeah. And of course that takes nothing away from the very real suffering and opportunities, really that are presented by that.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we do want to make it clear that even at a very early age you establish patterns. You program yourselves because you are powerfully programmable beings.

JOHN: Yeah. We can be grateful for that because we can reprogram ourselves now.

KRIS: And that is the one difference between yourselves and robots. You are self-programming, whilst robots are not.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: So you have a definite upper advantage. And besides, you are also unlike robots. You are able to experience orgasms and robots are not.

[Mark laughs.]

JOHN: I don’t know. I thought Data was fully functional. But anyway…

MARK: No, he didn’t have that emotion chip ’til much later.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Now, we believe that you have to make way, so we thank you for your consideration and your meaningfulness as a very real and powerful object of appreciation.

JOHN: Thank you.

MARK: Thank you, Kris. Wow. That was cool. I think I got some really good insights out of that.

JOHN: Yeah. Are you the object of appreciation or am I?

MARK: [Laughing.] I like how you caught yourself saying “we” instead of “I”.

JOHN: Yes. Yeah, I’m sensitive to that.

MARK: Well, we lost Alan, but thanks anyway, Alan and the Skypies out there.

SERGE: Is the next show going to be the question show?

MARK: Ah, when’s the next guest?

SERGE: I think Ellen is on the 12th, isn’t she?

MARK: Is that next week? I don’t have a calendar.

JOHN: No.

SERGE: Next week is like the 4th or the . . .

MARK: Okay. So let’s do, next radio show will be an Open Mike session of Question and Answer. So send in your questions. You can email them in to me, or Serge, or through the website, or through the forum. To Alan, you can type them into the Skype chat room. Hopefully the Skype will be going next week. I don’t see why it shouldn’t. And send in those questions.

SERGE: And after that, I believe, is Ellen.

MARK: Okay.

SERGE: That’s Ellen Gilbert who does a lot of our transcribing and is an all around amazing individual.

JOHN: That’ll be quite a show.

MARK: Yeah it will be. She’s got some really, really good insights.

SERGE: And I believe the following guest after that will be Dr. Lewis, I think. We’re looking at that as a very strong possibility. The person who did the brain mapping when we were in Arizona last March, almost a year ago.

JOHN: That’s when we discovered your IQ.

SERGE: Yep. And we won’t talk about that right now. [Laughter.] It’s a surprise. And another potential guest, a little later on too, is going to be Emmy and her channeled source Defrene.

JOHN: Oh, that will be . . .

SERGE: Which will be very nice. Yes. I think it will be very sweet.

JOHN: We’ll have dueling channels.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Channel surfing.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Okay. On that note, have a good night and thanks for tuning in.

JOHN: ‘Night, everybody.

Trance Adventures

January 25, 2009

This is one POWERFUL session in which Kris explains how we “manage” our many trance states and therefore manage our consciousness. This one is NOT to be missed.

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Trance Adventures

January 25, 2009

Kris Chronicles – Trance Adventures
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, January 25, 2009

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Tom (Desiré), Alyssa, Brian (El-Don), Alan (Regoronn) and Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)

(7:45 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now many, many, indeed a great many people, likely including your lovely selves, read materials and information produced by ourselves or others such as ourselves; read all kinds of other materials and writings from various other areas of life and numerous authors, perhaps in the pursuit of discovering the secrets of life, the secrets of consciousness in the hopes of discovering the keys to making their lives grand, wonderful or at least better than what they have experienced up to that point in time. Others may tease knowledge about life and its many and varied expressions in one way or another. Some want to know how to find love or simply to get to know what love is. In so many words, almost every individual has a unique and yet common area of pursuit, in that way.

Perhaps we can expand upon that this evening, bringing about discussions, and in that light perhaps we can ask some of you what YOU seek. Perhaps you are seekers of truth, perhaps you are seekers of opportunities [and] perhaps you are seekers of wisdom. Wherever you situate yourself is not specifically the point, but more so what you may think you are getting out of this kind of presentation, and it may not necessarily be what you think you are seeking from your conscious point of view, but your conscious point of view is nonetheless quite important, pertinent and relevant. So perhaps some of you may share in that way.

BRIAN: I think I’ll give it a stab, Kris. When I was six years old, my Dad told me that I was a seeker and I always knew that there was more than meets the eye in this reality, physical reality. So at age fourteen, he gave me “Seth Speaks” and “The Nature of Personal Reality,” which I absolutely resonated with, and I’d say, at age 45, my journey has been one of not just self-discovery, but the material in and of itself from you, Seth, Elias and right down to Bashar, right on down the road, there’s something just bigger than life about it and it’s very loving and it just resonates in very deep ways that are sometimes tough to describe. How best to put it? It’s about love; it’s about discovery of self and that much more of my experience. Sometimes it’s tough to articulate it. It’s just always been throughout this lifetime, this material has always been there.

KRIS: Indeed. Thank you for sharing.

BRIAN: You’re quite welcome.

KRIS: We may not have any specific comments to anyone in particular, but we will definitely have comments afterward. Would someone else care to follow suit?

ALAN: Well, Kris, I might expand a little on what Brian said, and that is that I think what we are seeking is what we don’t find in our everyday experience, but have a sense somehow that there is this thing to be found.

KRIS: Indeed, and what has that assisted you with?

ALAN: At first blush I’d have to say that what has helped is to understand that there are in fact answers to these kinds of questions… and I’m sure that doesn’t really cover the ground, but…

KRIS: Indeed. That is most helpful, especially to have a knowing that there ARE answers, that life and its expressions is not a mystery that can only be explained by the priests and understood only with blind faith.

BRIAN: Kris, if I may also… It’s a thirst for knowledge, also what Alan just said there… I just had it in my mind and lost it… but we ask questions and when we find the answers it leads to more questions, so it’s an ever-unfolding experience.

KRIS: Indeed, because very often what appears to you as an answer is actually a breadcrumb to another set of inquiries which lead you to more breadcrumbs.

BRIAN: Exactly!

KRIS: Would someone else care to share?

ELLEN: This is a little like the “Change the World” workshop when you asked, “What is it you want?” And I never could come to an answer satisfactorily… (Chuckling)… I don’t think, except that I knew what I really wanted to do, what my goal was, was to tell my story of my own journey. And I think, sitting here pondering about this question, I think that for me it’s to push through whatever frightens me. I want to push through that… and the more I do that and discover that what I was afraid of was really nothing to be afraid of, it actually expands me more and more. Then I want to go further and further.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else care to follow?

ALYSSA: For me I think it started out as just a desire to feel better, to feel happy. I felt like there was this person inside me that knew what I wanted and knew what I needed to be happy, but I wasn’t being that person, so for me it was sort of that this has been a journey of discovery so that I would learn that happiness comes… I mean, I hope it doesn’t sound too trite, but the notion that happiness comes from inside of me. And the more self-aware I become, the more empowered I become, the happier I become and the more myself I feel. So I’ve also realized that it’s not so much how I look like on the outside, but how I feel on the inside that brings me closer and closer to who I really am.

KRIS: Indeed. Would someone else care to follow?

JOHN: Okay, Kris, this is Johnny. I was thinking, as other people were talking, that I am an “A-ha” junkie, and by that I mean I just love that moment when the penny drops and I suddenly understand something amazing and of course the first thing I do is put it into practice and share it with anybody who will listen.

KRIS: Indeed. Someone else?

TOM: Kris, this is Tom. I’m kind of finding that it’s becoming less of an intellectual pursuit and more of understanding, a deep understanding of my own feelings and changing how I feel. I guess that’s all I have to say about that.

KRIS: Indeed! And of course, Hawaiian style!

TOM: Yes! (Laughing. [Tom lives in Hawaii])

BRIAN: Kris, I’d also like to add that at first it WAS about the intellect, intellectualization of this material, and only recently, even though I’ve always been very emotional, it’s only recently where I took the head out of it and put the heart into it where it became more of an emotional understanding of all of this and not an intellectual understanding of it and that’s, I think, my biggest breakthrough.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else?

MARK: I think, if I look back at my life, I’ve been seeking from “other.” That’s what I’ve not given myself. In other words, I’ve been creating reflections of what I need to give myself.

KRIS: Indeed. Now when each one of you reflect upon where you were at one time and what you were experiencing and creating in your life at that time, and reflect upon where you are now and what you are experiencing in your life now, you of course will note a variety of changes, of transformations, and a host of other beautiful qualities that you can articulate and sometimes may find it difficult to articulate, but one way or another, you are assured of what has transpired in your life, are you not?

BRIAN: Yes. Definitely.

KRIS: Indeed. And yourselves or even hundreds and thousands and hundreds of thousands of people have a variety of labels or names or descriptives, such as you are seeking knowledge, you are seeking love, you are seeking wisdom, you are seeking this, you are seeking that, but perhaps we can share with you a slightly different perspective that may indeed open up your perception that much more, enabling you to recognize an entirely different depth and layer to those experiences of yours in such a way that any future movement away from where you are, which involves a movement towards what you want, may indeed be significantly easier for each of you. Do you follow, and would you care for us to continue?

ALYSSA: Yes please!

KRIS: Indeed! Far be it for us to dangle a carrot and not give it from time to time. Now, if you look back at wherever you were in your life at that time that occasioned you to look towards wanting to be somewhere else with a different set of experiences — a different set of perceptions and perspectives and points of view and experiences and so on — all of the beautiful frill — that is (spelling) F-R-I-L-L — the beautiful frill of those experiences were in a way necessary for you to experience a very simple process indeed. In fact, so simple that had it been presented and offered to you in that way, you might very likely have refuted it!

And it is that all of these actions that you have engaged to go from that where you were to that where you are now and even projecting to that where you want to be at some future time, actually is an action of managing your own states of consciousness. Literally manipulating and moving yourselves from one trance state — and most likely a trance state that you had recognized generated an impasse, a blockage of some kind — towards a trance state, a state of consciousness where you experienced an expansion of your consciousness.

And as you matured, and as we ourselves and possibly others share information of this nature, you become more and more adept at managing your own states of consciousness — or trance states or altered states — that generate their own fields of experiences. And it does not in any way, shape or form take away from or denigrate or deny any of the labels or the frill that you attach to those experiences. On the contrary, our point is to bring it to your awareness in such a fashion that any future actions towards another state may indeed become easier for you to manage, knowing what it is that you are doing in your consciousness, that consciousness which is in its own way interpreted and manifested for you in the physical dramatizations of your daily lives with all of the props and everything that comes along with the production, as it were. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Mmhm, and that’s an “A-ha” moment!

KRIS: Our point of view is that with a deepening understanding of what it is that you do in such situations, you are able to recognize the nature of your actions much more easily, therefore can literally move forward in that sense of the word to make things happen much more easily, much more deeply and even with greater results. As such, learning to manage your trances, your states of consciousness, becomes as easy as taking the next breath. Think of it this way: when you learn to do things with your hands, you may for instance become an artist, a sculptor, a chef, many of these things all require use of your hands, do they not?

(Yes)

Even a bookkeeper, a sculptor, a bookie.

BRIAN: Even a lead guitar player in a rock band?

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Perhaps that can fit into the picture! Any such actions in that particular way that requires the use of your hands, becomes easier and enhanced the more you practice utilizing your hands in that way. There are some artists who become so agile with the use of their hands that they can paint portraits on the head of a pin because they have practiced. They did not sit there one morning upon getting up sitting on their bed and out of the blue say “I will paint masterpieces on the head of a pin.” They perfected their art. You get the same experience reflected through whatever action that requires practiced use of your hands. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And the more practiced you are, the better your skills are in that way. Similarly, with the use of those various states of conscious, it gets easier and easier for you to move forward or move in any direction you so choose simply because you become more and more practiced at moving away from the state you no longer desire and simultaneously moving towards the state you want to experience regardless of what that is. Only you know. The more practiced you become, the easier it gets and the more developed you become in that area. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Mmhm.

ALYSSA: It makes so much sense considering what’s been going on with me in the last few days in my awareness. It’s opening up and I’m receiving information it feels like, from more than one channel now. And I’m able to sort of experience things from different perspectives at the same time, and all these ideas about listening with more than my ears, it’s just… I’m glad we’re talking about it because it’s been kind of freaky!

KRIS: It will only get freaky if you start hearing conversations with your nose!

(Group laughter)

ALYSSA: Okay, so far, so good!

KRIS: Indeed! But yes, the more practiced you become at providing an easy flow from one state of consciousness to another, the easier your life is as a result. When you fight, put up resistance, when you create a resistance to your natural movements, you in turn experience impasses, some which may even seem insurmountable simply because you seem to be unable to shake off the undesired state. It seems to hang around you like a ball and chain and the faster you want to get away from it, the more it stays with you. Do you understand that?

ALYSSA: Definitely. I think a lot of this is about me relaxing into what’s happening, too. I have been feeling a sense of urgency and, you know, the desire for things to accelerate but I’m realizing now that it happens a lot easier when I’m not trying.

KRIS: Indeed, and you might pay attention, whenever you sense that acceleration, you will of course sense it somewhere in your body.

ALYSSA: Yes.

KRIS: Now, the usual reaction would often be to fret about it, to pace up and down.

ALYSSA: (Humorously, with a gasp) How did you know I was pacing!?

(Group laughs)

KRIS: Our suggestion is that you need to understand that the acceleration is being reflected in your body to bring it to your attention, but its nature is psychological in source. You might even be picking up on an acceleration of consciousness, a shifting of perceptions, a shifting of values. In other words, an acceleration and a shift of one trance state to another. Anything that you experience is related to a variety of trance states. We have, in another place, described where there are extremely limiting trance states. Those are helplessness, hopelessness, worthlessness.

These are trance states as well, but they are very limiting and they generate secondary trance states of fear, guilt, shame, anger, resentment and so on, and the more you fight against these, the more you seem to stay in those states. Thus, having an understanding that all of the experiences of your lives are just that — they are a variety, and often a very colorful variety of trance states — can make it easier for you to simply, as you said or suggested, go with the flow. If you enter say, a department store or an office building where they have… what do they call this?… revolving doors, but you take the wrong side of the revolving door and as you push you meet resistance, it will do you no avail to try and push harder, will it not?

ALYSSA: Mmhm.

KRIS: In fact, you may even break the mechanism. However, if you decide to push on the correct side of the revolving door, it will do what it is supposed to do: it will revolve and you will find yourself in the building where you want to be. So you each have those areas that are more difficult as well as easier for you to flow through. And when you begin to fight and resist and deny the natural flow of your trance states, you are pushing the revolving door on the wrong side. It will not give. Not one inch, unless it breaks. Does that make sense to you?

ALYSSA: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there any inquiries? Please feel free. …(Pause)… No inquiries, no questions, no comments?

TOM: I have one, Kris. Some time back I had inquired if there were more powerful ways of working with our beliefs other than the Triple ‘A’ and I believe I was told that we weren’t quite ready for that yet and that the Triple ‘A’ was sufficient. Is this a more powerful way of working with perhaps groups of beliefs?

KRIS: Actually, in response to your inquiry at that time we also followed suit with some materials we are presenting now to which you are participating are you not? [Kris is referring to the online workshop "Change Your Life."]

TOM: Yes, that’s correct.

KRIS: So your request at that time was also answered later.

TOM: Ah, I see.

KRIS: And this that we are presenting now is in many ways a kind of master key. You will still have to open doors with the master key. The master key does not necessarily automatically open all doors, depriving you of the pleasure of discovering what is on the other side of the door; you simply have to know what side to open the door on, with the key. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, not pushing against the resistance.

KRIS: That is correct. The resistance is the old trance state, and instead of moving away from it, you keep banging head on into it. There are head-bangers and there are trance-bangers! You decide what you want.

TOM: Okay.

KRIS: Thus, utilizing this simple shift in perception, understanding that any such actions you take on is meant to allow you to move from one trance state to another definitely gives you an advantage and it is rather simple to understand. You are perhaps, all of you, familiar with various trance states in relation to relaxations, meditations, inductions and so on. These are not the only kind of trance states that you engage. We could even say to you that when you are at home being wife or husband, that is one particular trance state. Whilst you might still be at home, you could also be a father or a child. You may be a businessman. You might also be a lover. You may be experiencing one set of conflicts and then at another time a different set of conflicts. Everything that revolves around themes is a particular trance state because you are simply ALWAYS in trance. You are never out of trance. You are never NOT in a trance state. We could say you are never not never in a trance state! (Chuckling among the group) Always in a trance state you are.

BRIAN: Even non-physical, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed. Manipulation of consciousness at that layer is far easier and smoother, but you get a lot of your… how do we say?…. apprenticeship in the physical form because your trance states also involve legions of emotions and feelings and a variety of other tones which add depth and dimension to the trance states.

It is not that once you leave the physical all of these colorful add-ons disappear. They become part of the scenario. So you utilize your physical experiences as a means to gauge your capabilities at the conscious level and when you leave the physical, that which you then termed the unconscious, the subconscious or the neo-conscious mind, becomes the greater conscious mind so that you have far more of your faculties at your beck and call to direct and navigate the ship of your consciousness. You would, we are certain, much prefer to go on a cruise ship with a seasoned captain than you would with a monkey, would you not? You are certain that the seasoned captain will take you to your destination safe and sound whilst the monkey is anybody’s guess!

BRIAN: Ha!

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue. (Humorously) You CAN get out of your trance state and inquire! Of course you know we are being joyful with you.

ALAN: What does this say about you, because obviously you would have to assume a trance state in order to make this communication.

KRIS: That is correct. We simply attune our consciousness to Joseph’s (Serge) and yours. It does not mean that we can read into the dark recesses of your subconscious and dredge up your awful secrets, but it does mean that we acquire a sense of your being, thus we also experience and experiment with different states of consciousness.

ALAN: And therein lies your value fulfillment.

KRIS: In many respects, yes, this is part of our trance adventures, just as for yourselves is to be on the receiving end of these communications, or so it appears to you. Though you may not necessarily recognize right away that you too are participating in the overall frequencies of the communications. Thus, some of you may recognize that perhaps at some point earlier in the day or the day before or so, you entertained some random, apparently meaningless thoughts that you might even have simply brushed away like a fly buzzing in your face only to recognize that later that evening or the next day we are speaking and part of the presentation happens to be about something you flashed on in your own mind. How many times has that happened to you?

(Amusingly, many people speak at the same time, agreeing that this happened for them. Laughter among the group.)

BRIAN: In fact, as you were going into it tonight, I couldn’t help but think it was what I was thinking about today!

TOM: Many times!

BRIAN: Yes. Kris, I always wanted to ask you: You enjoy being a teacher, don’t you?

KRIS: We enjoy facilitating your own expanding awareness. If we were a typical teacher most of you would stay in detention.

ELLEN: Aw!

ALYSSA: All the cool kids are in detention!

ELLEN: (Laughing) That’s true, yes!

MARK: “The Breakfast Club”! (A movie in the 1980′s about a group of teens in detention)

KRIS: You can simply call yourselves “The Cosmic Club”!

BRIAN: Thank you!

KRIS: Thus, know that all experiences, which, on the one hand can only be had by life forms, are states of consciousness. You could even say that Tammy Faye Baker was her own state of consciousness! (Everyone laughs. Tammy Faye Baker was the wife of a televangelist, remarkable for her tendency to cry on camera at the drop of a hat, her mascara running in black streams down her face.)

(Group laughs)

ALAN: No doubt!

BRIAN: With a lot of make-up!

KRIS: There has to be some levity somewhere!

BRIAN: (Laughing)

KRIS: And no, for your information, we are not major billing at a cosmic comedy club! Overall, know that you are always working in a state of consciousness and that in itself will bring you comfort, that you are not being assailed by some kind of outside influences nor inside influences that you do not create for yourselves through your trance states. Some individuals create trance states where they are constant and consistent victims of conditions, events and circumstances. Others create trance states where they are not. They are fully aware that they have mastery of their existence. These are other examples of trance states. Other trance states are such that the individuals experience what you call “poverty” in many ways and other trance states are what you call “affluence.” These are also the results or manifestations of trance states. Does that also make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes it does.

ALAN: Yep!

KRIS: What do you think, knowing this now as we speak with you, what do you think this will influence in your hours and days and weeks to come?

BRIAN: That we have full command over our trance states, that the awareness itself gives us the power to create, fully knowing of the trance states that we put ourselves into, or allow ourselves to be into.

KRIS: Indeed, may we hold you to that?

BRIAN: Absolutely!

ELLEN: “Manageability” is the word that came to mind.

KRIS: Indeed! How would others see this, being able to influence the trance states that you may create in the next few hours or days or weeks? How would you see this affecting YOUR life, Kwaa’Ji, having this little tidbit of knowledge, this little key?

ELLEN: (Hesitantly) That… fearlessness is accessible….

KRIS: How would you see that showing up in your life, that you can take this knowledge of trance states and apply it in some way? Even if it is a pretend situation.

ELLEN: (Pause) Everything can change. I don’t have to be stuck. Every time I feel that I’m stuck, all I need do is….

KRIS: Recognize that the sense of being stuck in itself is a trance state.

ELLEN: Is a trance state, yes. All I need do is step to the side of that.

KRIS: Correct! And it can be done beautifully, like a waltz. Or even a hip-hop! However you do it, knowing that and recognizing, stopping in your tracks, saying, “Wait a minute! I am not stuck! I am becoming aware that I am in that trance state and I can direct my consciousness to a new state.” That would definitely enhance your ability to create conditions and circumstances, would it not?

ELLEN: Mmhm.

KRIS: Would someone else care to share?

ALYSSA: I think for me right now it will be about relaxing and going with the flow because I think what’s happening now is I sort of… I’ll be open to some kind of awareness and then I’ll be like “OH! I’m aware of my awareness!” and then it kind of stops what’s happening or I focus on it and it changes to something else, so I think just trust myself, relax and go with the flow and see where these channels are going to take me, because I feel like all this stuff’s going on and I’m working through stuff, but it’s almost like, when I pay attention to it, it stops. So I think I need to relax.

KRIS: Indeed. Would someone else care to share?

TOM: I was thinking that the procedure then, if there were one, would be something like to identify what we want to achieve — say, a greater sense of self-worth — and then use the reflection of ourself, which is our world here, as a kind of a mechanism to achieve that and change the way we feel about different situations. So we’re changing our feelings in order to shift our trance state, is that correct?

KRIS: That is one method, indeed, because when you recognize perhaps lack of self-worth — worthlessness — that too, is a trance state. So you can direct your attention away from that, but towards enhanced self-worth. That too, is a trance state. It is about LEARNING. We said as much today at the CMI. It is always about learning to — whether you utilize the word “manipulate,” “manage,” “generate,” “enhance” — your state of consciousness. And you always have a choice. Never are you unnecessarily burdened with a trance state lest you accept that this trance state become your prison, your “stuck” state. Does that make sense?

TOM: Mmhm.

KRIS: Which leads to the interesting premise that all your lives long, before your birth, from before your conception, ’til after you depart or disengage physical experience as you know it, you are learning to play around with and to manage your consciousness. So you are always deep learners. Just as you learned to speak, you learned to read and to write, to walk and to talk, you learned to do IN your diapers, you learned to do OUTSIDE of your diapers….

(Chuckling)

Whatever it is that you learned to do, these represented various states of your consciousness, various stages of your states of consciousness as well, so your ability to absorb information and knowledge — and wisdom! — is always unfolding as a true blessing. Are there other inquiries? Feel free! The night is young.

ELLEN: I was just thinking about how a lot of this has to do with dropping expectations, dropping trying to see ahead, trying to know everything beforehand because that’s what keeps you also in that place where you also… you get stuck. You get stuck because you want to know ahead of time, you want to prepare yourself and you have to work with the experience as it’s happening… it’s the only way you form –

KRIS: (Interjecting) Now it is possible to say, on the one hand, that since expectations can sometimes let you down, as is often part of your experiences as a human being, along with other human beings…

ELLEN: Mmhm, like when you say “Oh, I KNEW that was going to happen! I just knew it!”

KRIS: Indeed. You can be assured in that way that you made certain that it was self-fulfilling. Period.

ELLEN: Mmhm, yes.

KRIS: Now, there are other individuals that may claim that since some of your expectations let you down, therefore ALL expectations, clear across the board, should be wiped out. Is it also in that light sane to claim that because you bought a car that was a lemon, all cars should then be scrapped?

ELLEN: Certainly not.

KRIS: Indeed. So it is often that individuals make an exaggerated claim or generalization that truly is perhaps a little too narrow in insight. It may be that some of your expectations do not necessarily come about in the manner in which you wanted, so that it suits some of your specific purposes, but it is also true that other expectations take you well beyond the limits you have set for yourself, showing you that you are again much more than your own thoughts, much more than your own expectations and much more than the sum of all of your parts or all of your expectations. So it is also about finding that kind of balance that is nurturing and fulfilling. In other words, be less ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. Pause before you throw. THEN you can throw out. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes, I believe so.

ALYSSA: That’s very interesting, actually. I was sort of feeling like maybe I shouldn’t have expectations about things.

KRIS: But everyone does.

ALYSSA: Right…

KRIS: It is impossible to not have expectations. You go to bed at night and you fully expect that you will awaken the next morning. On which side of the bed you will get up, that is another question entirely, but you expect that you WILL get up, otherwise, would any of you truly want to go to sleep? We think not. So the point is, find your middle ground in these kinds of issues. Some people may even claim that those who are supposedly on the path to enlightenment, whether through traditional or New Age methods, should or should not do certain things, but the reality is that it does not matter in that particular way. It is not the “should or “should not be doing” that will get you enlightened or not. It is your ability to manage your states of consciousness. Does that make sense to you?

ALYSSA: Yes and if you keep saying it enough times, hopefully it will sink in! (Laughs)

ELLEN: (Chuckling)

KRIS: That too is a state of consciousness! You know that when you open the newspaper, for instance, or you open a webpage on your computer, it takes the eyes and the brain approximately six or so seconds to have registered everything on that newspaper page or that screen. You, however, have developed a state of consciousness where you must read to yourself every word, which takes longer. We are not saying that that is a limitation, but you have a greater potential to absorb knowledge and information than you presume. Does that make sense to you?

ALYSSA: Yes.

ALAN: Kris, let me see if I can come at this from a little different direction. Let us say we look at something that has occurred in our lives and we say to ourselves “Well, wait a minute, my beliefs and my energies actually created this situation.” And that in and of itself is empowering, but the next step would be then “Okay, what do I do to create a situation more to my liking?” and you may not immediately have an idea of what that would be, and so, to me, the second step in this process is that there is sort of a requirement that you trust that first you’re empowered to realize that you’re the one that’s created whatever situation and by argument and definition, you could create anything else…

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps in exactly the same way that as a young child, looking at that little bicycle with the training wheels, wondering how the heck the grown-ups, your parents or whoever, possibly can think YOU will sit on that contraption and learn to use it! How is that possible? You might even be fretting about it. But once you get upon it, you use your body and your muscles and your legs and your hands and your eyes in all sorts of ways that you did not know how to before. And perhaps after ten or so minutes, you begin to get the knack of this beast, this thing called a “bicycle,” and perhaps after a few days, you get on it, it becomes so easy you do not even notice that the training wheels had been removed and off you go into the sunset, the bicycle eventually turning into a car as you age.

So the initial steps might have been even precarious, filled with perhaps even fright, but you learned to do something wonderful. You learned to do and use your brain and create a kind of neurological atmosphere that generated a new experience for you. You created a trance state where you could open your awareness. You could learn how to ride a bicycle, even if it took a little assistance from someone older than you, perhaps a parent, a brother, a friend or relative. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Well, yeah, that certainly does and I guess my point was once you hit this state of recognizing that you can create the world that you experience, then the second phase is that you must have somewhere a sense of trust that you CAN do something better and that the universe will, in its own way, allow that to happen.

KRIS: Indeed! Indeed, and we are in full agreement and you might even recognize that that sense of trust seems to be built into you. It is part of the mechanisms. Otherwise, if you did not have that sense of trust, you would likely not even bother getting on that bicycle.

ALAN: Right, you wouldn’t get on it unless you knew how to ride it already.

KRIS: And you know there is an innate knowing within you that, somehow or other, in spite of your fears or hesitations, you trust that you will be able to learn how to use this, just like you somehow or other knew in spite of any fears or hesitations along the way that you would learn how to read and write, how to walk and talk and so on and so forth. And you also have an innate sense of trust that your body would grow to suit the needs of your growing and expanding abilities. And eventually that is also why you leave the body behind through what you call disengagement from physical reality: passing away, or dying. The body is no longer able to accommodate your growing awareness. You need another one.

BRIAN: Kris, is that what William James meant by growing out of a psychological house into an ever-expanding psychological house, that we just keep growing and growing and growing? [Brian is referring to "The Afterdeath Journal of William James" by Jane Roberts]

KRIS: Indeed, you metamorphose quite like the caterpillar.

BRIAN: And we grow out of each life because we can only take it so far and want to keep growing in a different direction, in different ways.

KRIS: Indeed. In many ways restraining your expanding awareness is as significant as choking the life out of you. Does that answer your inquiry as well, Skype Boss?

ALAN: (Chuckling) Well, I guess when you say that as children we had trust and confidence that our bodies would grow and that we’d learn to speak… I mean, this is all true, I’m sure, but I don’t think this was ever all a part of our conscious awareness at the time.

KRIS: Indeed not. Not consciously, but it does come to conscious awareness if you notice how you behave. It is built in to your consciousness. It is part of a set of tools that you are born with, if you like.

ALAN: So that then becomes, say, one of the key things that we learn as we grow, is to make these things that we understand at deeper levels, a part of our conscious awareness.

KRIS: Indeed, and these deeper processes and the mechanisms involved are explored in discussions of this nature so that it CAN come to your awareness, you CAN take advantage of the knowledge and in that way expand your house of consciousness. Any other inquiries or comments? (Pause) Surely your minds must be a-buzz with all types of notions now, so that you can go into your wardrobe and explore your own “Narnia”!

BRIAN: True.

KRIS: Minus or less a wicked witch, or not. (Pause) Any observations or comments, Philip (Mark)?

MARK: No, I’m pretty excited. I think it’s pretty fascinating, just listening.

Now you did say something to the effect of when we transition, our subconscious mind becomes our greater conscious mind and I’m just trying to relate that to Essence, so obviously there are even higher states.

KRIS: Indeed. It does not mean that because you transition that you automatically become Essence. You are an evolving consciousness on your own. It does also mean that the greater reservoir of your knowledge, that while you were physically focused, was outside the sphere of your regular awareness. It still is present and it becomes incorporated gradually into whom and what you are once you leave the field of physical activities.

MARK: Mmhm…

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does, especially after the conversation that you and Sohars (John) had on Thursday night regarding the ego personality having a subconscious and then the subconscious having a subconscious. That makes sense. Those nested Russian dolls!

ALAN: You can check out any time you like, you just can’t ever leave!

BRIAN: Hotel California!

ELLEN: You know, it’s interesting, the other night Emmy called me in the middle of the night because she awoke from a dream; and it was a dream of Yosef’s death. [Yosef is Emmy's World War II past life focus personality] He died in the gas chamber, and it wasn’t so much the experience of, you know, dying from the gas, but what happened right afterwards. He had written before a very beautiful piece about finding himself in snow — or what seemed like snow — touching him, and he sort of didn’t really know who he was or anything. Everything was like new, and as these snowflakes would touch him, he was having profound experiences.

Well, this dream Emmy had the other night, she was trying to describe to me what this experience of transition was like and she couldn’t really convey it. She couldn’t find the words. And she was wide-awake, so she asked me if I wanted to sit and talk with Yosef for a while. So Yosef came through and I said “Do you want to talk about this?” and he was at a loss for words and I said “Well, maybe you want to sing?” so he sang a Sumari song and as I was sitting there listening, I got the sensation as if I had been transitioning, as if I had experienced HIS transition.

What it felt like was, at first I got those Unhruh sensations, like the goose bumps, you know, underneath the skin? And then it felt like someone touching me on the back of my neck and there was a sensation of someone coaxing me out. But instead of that… um… We all have the impression that [at death] you just sort of get out of your body, you know? You’re there and then you’re out, all of a sudden. But this was completely different. It was like I was leaving physical life very softly and gently, as if I was disengaging from my body molecule by molecule and each molecule or each atom as it arose had its own consciousness and each one of those consciousnesses was allowed its own private experience.

And then as I’m still listening to this song, I thought “This must have had something to do with his experience of finding himself there with the snowflakes falling on him,” because I think each of those snowflakes were each a transformed molecule or unit of consciousness of his own body’s experience falling back on him. And then, as they each would touch him… each would touch him with the story that was embedded within each piece of his being.

And it was just this thing, this understanding, that just… FELL on me in that… it just descended on me in this manner, and it was like this enormous…. you know, I mean it’s got to have something to do with like when they say you look back and your life just unfolds before you and it’s just every…. every piece of your being, in a way, has its own experience and there’s an HONORING of that.

And what was neat about it was that it was just… I just… When she called at first, I was trying so hard to understand what she was saying and she was trying so hard to convey it, so there was this frustration of trying to know beforehand, but you can’t know beforehand; you discover in the experience of the moment. It was just so easily and simply…. It just happened so easily and simply. It was just… (Chuckling)… It was just like Kris said, it was just like a movement of your own consciousness, or an allowing of your own consciousness to… to….

KRIS: Indeed, and if we may add, it is also pure poetry consciousness, or consciousness of poetry.

ELLEN: That’s where art really does originate, yes… yes.

MARK: Yeah, if I remember that story, too, at first they were perceived as snowflakes but then he realized that each one was sort of a pearl of awareness. He didn’t use those words, but…

ELLEN: Yeah, he realized that it wasn’t really snowflakes, it was something… yeah. (Recalling) Yeah, you’re right. But it’s a beautiful story, but then when you actually experience it…! (Chuckling) And that’s another thing that’s interesting is that you can experience not only your own awareness, but the awareness of others.

KRIS: Indeed, hence what we suggested this morning [at the CMI workshop session] that knowledge of others is wisdom [and] knowledge of self is enlightenment, because they go hand-in-hand.

Now we return Joseph to you to whatever trance states or states of consciousness you are in, and we thank you deeply and humbly for your lovely consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed, and may all your snowflakes reveal the secrets of the universe to you.

[End of session]

RBD: Financial Instabilities

January 22, 2009

During this show Kris talks to Marcos Garay in New York about the current financial instabilities that the world now faces and explains to the listeners how he or she does not have to be affected by the markets.

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