RBD: The Law of Attraction II

November 28, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 28, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Reality by Design: A Kris Media Production here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. Happy Thanksgiving. And my name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Hi, Mark. And a Happy Thanksgiving to everybody too. We actually already had our Thanksgiving.

MARK: Mm-hmm. Turkey.

JOHN: We’re a little .. sort of … previous about Thanksgiving up here, but we have the same Christmas. Isn’t that interesting?

SERGE: Well you know what they say in the early bird.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Yes. And of course that was, without benefit of introduction, that was our friend Serge.

MARK: You can say hello, you know.

SERGE: Oh, hello. [Laughter.] I was still stuck on the turkey and stuffing.

MARK: You can wipe the drool. And I believe we have Alan in Skype-land.

ALAN: Yeah. How’s everything in Toronto guys?

MARK: Very good. How about in Colorado?

ALAN: Well it’s actually thinking about snowing on us, so. It gave us a little bit last night just to let us know we’re in the holiday season.

MARK: Wow. Of course we won’t, Serge and I won’t be doing any of that “snow stuff” for the next week ‘cause we’re going to Mexico.

ALAN: Yeah, you should be out of the snow there.

MARK: Yeah. I’m just hoping there are lots of white sandy beaches. We’re looking forward to that.

JOHN: That will be lovely. Have you got your Speedo all . . ? [Mark interrupts]

MARK: Oh, absolutely.

JOHN: . . . picked out? [Finishing his sentence.]

ALAN: Thanks for the visual guys.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Well, welcome back to another Thursday night here on Reality by Design. Kris and I actually sat down and had a little chat on Monday night. And it was a good forty-five minute chat, actually. And I’ve sent the audio and the transcript over to Alan and John so they’re privy to this. We wanted to talk about this. Basically, right off the top, Kris committed me to having a session with him every Monday night on a regular basis in order to work on more books and more projects together and just get me going as well, get me plugged into that universe.

JOHN: And how are you? Are you okay with that?

MARK: Absolutely. Absolutely. Now that the Hypnosis course is over and things are slowing down a little bit and . . . So after we get back from Mexico I’m definitely going to start that up.

JOHN: Are you taking Kris to Mexico?

MARK: Oh, absolutely.

JOHN: Good.

MARK: Actually we talked about that.

SERGE: We got a little luggage just for him.

[Laughter.]

MARK: He packs really light. [Laughter.] The second thing that we talked about is the upcoming Skype workshop that starts in January.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Which he gave us some new information and he wants to talk about it tonight with you here on the air. And one of the things that John and I picked out that kind of stood out is that Kris was talking about some of the failings of many of the New Age teachings. And that is, “With the desire to bring inspiration to the masses, the baby of pragmatism and practicality has been thrown out with the bath water, assumed to be too intellectual, too involved with thinking, and only wishing to be allowed.”

JOHN: Yeah. Well that’s my experience of some friends and relatives who watched the movie “The Secret“.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: I mean basically, I’m sure most of our listeners have seen that movie. If not, it’s well worth seeing. Certainly it lays the groundwork. But if you recall that scene in the movie where the guy sits in a chair and fantasizes about having, I think it was like a Porsche or something?

MARK: A house. His dream house.

JOHN: Okay, a house. But the problem is that people who watch that movie think that all they have to do is sit in their living room and fantasize about whatever it is they want and at some point it will show up in their life. And you know, the people I know are getting a little bored waiting for that to show up. I mean, they sat they fantasized, and now they’re watching the clock and saying, “Okay, you know, it’s just about due now isn’t it?”

SERGE: It’s been incubating long enough.

JOHN: Yeah.

SERGE: I know that Kris has talked about this before. The, I forget his name now, the guy that wrote the Chicken Soup for the Soul series? There’s an echo on the . . . The fellow who wrote the “Chicken Soup for the Soul” series, which is . . .

MARK: In the movies.

SERGE: . . . Millions and millions of copies around the world.

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: He’s in the movie as well. And it sort of gives the impression that he had this book and he wrote it and . . .

MARK: They don’t do that.

SERGE: . . . “poof”. . .

MARK: They don’t even tell you that.

SERGE: . . . it’s amazingly successful author.

MARK: Isn’t he the guy that put the cheque for a million dollars on his ceiling and . . .

SERGE: I think so.

MARK: It was also, he said, he had a dream house in his mind and he maybe even drew a picture of it or something and he . . . That was his dream house. He focused on his dream house. And then suddenly years later, he woke up and, “Oh, I’m in my dream house. This is it.”

JOHN: Right. He didn’t even know it.

MARK: They don’t even tell you that he wrote these million dollar seller books.

SERGE: Well my point was that very few people are actually aware that he was refused by over a hundred different publishing houses, and it’s a little publisher that decided they would take a chance on the guy ‘cause he was unknown.

JOHN: Probably got him to put twenty thousand down.

SERGE: Well actually, he had to buy twenty thousand copies of his own book . . .

JOHN: He had to buy twenty . . . Right.

MARK: Total books.

SERGE: . . . to assure sales.

JOHN: Yeah. Well that’s the reality.

SERGE: That’s how it started.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

SERGE: But from there it flowed out. So there was a lot of stuff going on before he actually became successful.

MARK: Yeah. So what “The Secret” doesn’t tell you is the need for action and the need to take action. And this sort of flies in the face of some of the teachings that are out there nowadays, including “The Secret“. Kris, in describing this upcoming workshop, which is, he’s now calling “Law of Attraction 2: Keys to Unlock the Secrets of Your Mind and Master the Tools of Freedom“. He says that the Law of Attraction is not really a law. “It’s an integral action of consciousness. It is what consciousness does.” Then he goes on to say, “Value fulfillment is a foundation of that Law of Attraction“.

JOHN: Yeah I thought . . . That was a new . . . For me that was new information. Like it’s not immediately obvious how the Law of Attraction is about value fulfillment. But I think that we may be going to be visited shortly here.

KRIS: Indeed, and not by the lawyer of Law of Attraction. Now, we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for the consideration.

MARK: And we thank you.

KRIS: If you do keep in mind that value fulfillment is foundational to all experiences, then you get a different layer of perspective on what you call these laws of attraction. As expressed previously, value fulfillment simply means that you are innately driven to become more than what you were. In many circles where these New Age teachings are presented, such notions are hardly ever considered. The idea being that you simply apply your thinking, your thoughts, your feelings, to whatever you so desire. Now, if you take into consideration the notion of value fulfillment and explore it from that angle, you might have a much more solid platform from which to explore your desire, instead of being led all over the place, barely able to maintain any kind of concentration on a specific goal or outcome. And in fulfilling that particular goal or outcome, also appreciate the magnificent creature that you are, including the kinds of potentials that are available to you in a practical, pragmatic way. And as we have stated in the particular small delivery, which we believe will be made available as a downloadable audio file later this evening . . .

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: . . . that you may indeed wish for all the gold in the world to show up in your living room and “The universe better damn hurry up about it!” because of course you are in a hurry to get your hands on the manifestation of that desire. It may be something that you envision and you may strive to actually encompass all of what this may mean, but will such a desire actually ever be fulfilled?

JOHN: No. No, all the gold in the world would make … basically it would be like “The China Syndrome”. It would immediately fall down into the core of the earth.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: It would be too heavy.

KRIS: And the practicality of expending such energies would not be applied. And such desiring would lead to frustration.

JOHN: Sure.

KRIS: And such frustration leads to have one think that such notions are fruitless. Is it that the desiring does not work, or what you focused upon needs to be reorganized in a more practical manner?

JOHN: I would say the latter.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Desire – you can’t get away from desire.

KRIS: It is an impossibility as we have stated many times over the years. Even some Eastern teachings that would have you rise above desire, to leave behind desire, requires that one desires to do that, thus providing a beautiful oxymoron.

JOHN: Right. But you know, even the guy who says that he wants all the gold in the world, like nobody is re . . . That same guy would be thrilled to death if he got a raise at work.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Like the, you know, the . . . by leapfrogging over what’s reasonable and choosing something unattainable, you know there may be secondary gain there. The person may be . . . May not want to change.

KRIS: And then make it so there is an, how do we say, that the project simply will not be realized.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Self-sabotaging.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yeah, they choose something impossible so that they can say, “Well, I tried. I tried.”

KRIS: Indeed. It is a complex issue, but it is not unreasonable to work one’s way through such issues and actually make that dream life real. Do follow with your notes.

MARK: Well you talked about “The Pillars”, the foundational pillars, one being value fulfillment and the other being action.

KRIS: Indeed. To quote our friend Joseph, “If opportunity knocks and you do not open the door”, what happens?

MARK: It goes away.

JOHN: It goes away.

KRIS: Indeed. It says, “I tried. I wanted to deliver the goods but no one was home to answer the knock.” Now one, at that point, cannot say, “Well why should I have to open the door? Can’t opportunity break the door and give me what I desire?”

MARK: While I sit on the couch flipping through the remote.

KRIS: If . . .

MARK: [Chuckling] A little bit of a smirk.

KRIS: Indeed. Why exert one’s self? But the point is that action is required, even at the most infinitesimally miniscule quantum level. All That Is explores the actions of its desires by creating all of the situations, some of which are expressed through you. That is also a thread of action that leads to experience. That is a built-in potential. We believe that at supper time you discussed some of the basic laws of thermodynamics did you not?

JOHN: Yeah, we had a discussion about that. Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. And what was your first mention?

JOHN: For every action there’s a . . .

MARK: No. Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed.

JOHN: There you go.

KRIS: Indeed. That transformation is an action. And it leads to physical manifestation in terms that are current with the concepts that you are playing with, in your cases, the concepts of time and space.

JOHN: That raises a question for me, if I may?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Another thing we chatted about over dinner was that you point out in your piece that you shared with Mark that even focusing your attention is a form of action. No here’s my question. When you say you can’t just sit on the couch and fantasize, you’ve got to get out and pound the pavement and send your resumes and make some phone calls, it seems to me that you’re distinguishing two different kinds of action. If sitting on the couch and fantasizing, that’s a focusing of your attention. It’s action.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: However, it doesn’t lead to what we want.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus you need a kind of bridge. Inner action needs to be translated into outward action.

JOHN: All right. That’s good.

KRIS: That catalyst is what gives you the enjoyment of your manifestations.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: This then is opening the door when opportunity knocks. In other words, we challenge anyone, at least physically manifest in your world, to want to have a job but never send a resume, never speak to anyone about your job, never go outside, never answer the telephone, never send an email about your need for a job.

JOHN: Okay. I think actually there’s quite a lot of people who do that. [Laughter.] Well this is gonna’ be a real experiment.

KRIS: And they are still . . .

JOHN: Unemployed.

KRIS: . . . where they were, unemployed.

JOHN: Yes. Okay.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: So there needs to be a bridge that translates the inner action of “I am gonna’ have a job” . . .

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: . . . to the outer. Now just so that I understand, are you saying that we wait for that knock on the door or do we go out the door and knock on other people’s doors? In other words . . .

KRIS: Also a very valid point. You can do both . . .

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: . . . and determine which, for you, is the means to your manifestations. There may be occasions when your desires are such that you have partial success and the universe needs to bring the balance to you.

JOHN: Sure.

KRIS: And there are other occasions when you have all the tools and you make the opportunities so that you can hear the knock on the door and answer it nonetheless. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah. So it’s a mix of both.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: The old rule of thumb that I like to say is that you do everything in your power to make your goal happen and the universe will do everything it can that you can’t do.

KRIS: Indeed. In other words, the ten-percent sets the directives. In line with value fulfillment, the ninety-percent seeks to make that a reality. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes. And one of the ways the ninety-percent makes that reality, or seeks to make it a reality, it can’t do it alone, is that somebody comes knockin’ on your door.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And you have to get up off the couch and answer it.

KRIS: Even if you have to paint a door.

JOHN: Right. Okay, well that’s, that actually helps me understand that a little bit better, I think.

KRIS: The first action is the catalyst that renders the inner experience into a full-fledged, real-time, physical experience as well. Consider it this way. If you fantasize all the time about sexual experiences: will that actually bring you fulfillment of a full-fledged, beautiful and wonderful sexual experience?

JOHN: Not if you don’t notice the cutie giving you the eye.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus some form of action needs to be processed for you to also experience the event. Otherwise you will still be fantasizing until you are grey in the beard.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

KRIS: Do not hide your beard.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Alan, did you have any . . . I recall a couple of weeks ago you were zeroing in on something very close to this, about the difference between fantasizing and impractical versus more practical desires.

ALAN: Well, you know, speaking for another who is very grey in the beard that has risen here in the chat room. And I think it’s a good question. I go back to your term, John, which is “transformative action”, from your notes. But Nora has made a comment about, let’s say you have a desire to go to the June workshop but that desire brings up, you know, many, many things to consider. And it seems like there’s so many aspects to consider with even one desire. And I think that gets back to the point that you raised with me John. And that is, well how do you sort through the realm of possible actions you could take in order to take the one, or ones that are the best. Or does it make any difference?

KRIS: Well depending upon the individual, the individual may deliberately make an inordinate amount of potentials available, so much so that they retreat from action, perhaps even being overwhelmed. But stepping back and examining all of the “can’ts” for example, and in this example given there is the desire to attend the June workshop. Perhaps an issue that comes to mind may be, “Well I can’t because.” And by working with the tools that we can provide with the workshop in question in January, these sessions are specifically geared to break down the barriers and the beliefs that prevent you, and even rob you of the opportunities to enjoy life and what you want with it. Thus centering around value fulfillment.

You have desires because there is an intrinsic value in all your desires. As to how they will manifest is a different issue. Thus recognizing that you can break down the beliefs and extrapolate not only the value, not only the benefits, but the power that is inherent in energy for you. You can make your experience of reality an entirely enjoyable one, where there is no conflict, no hesitation, no second-guessing, but there is plenty of time and opportunity to enjoy your life, as opposed to having to fret about a great number of issues that may come out with every single thing you desire. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Well it does to me. And Nora has gone ahead and posted that she’s recognized already that she’s expecting things to be a certain way before she takes any action.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus these are the results of beliefs that are not necessarily in her own best interest even though they may still have values. But they are also the results of conflict. Thus for lack of a better word, the January workshop is geared to establish a clear path through the dense forest of restrictive or objectionable beliefs so that you can see your way clear to the enjoyment of life that you actually do deserve. Do you follow?

JOHN: I hope so. Yes, that sounds lovely.

MARK: And just to add to that, the workshop is scheduled for six weeks, six sessions every Tuesday night consecutively. Well Kris has announced that there will be two bonus sessions. So you’re really getting eight sessions for the price of six.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we believe that it may be time for your first interlude.

MARK: Indeed.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John Hawkins, Serge Grandbois and Alan Aspinall. We’ve been talking to Kris about the upcoming January Skype workshop.

JOHN: And you know what, he said something. I swear to God he said this. He said that as a result of that workshop we were going to gain the necessary understanding . . .

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: . . . So that our experience of life here can be entirely pleasant and what we wish.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Well that would be about sixty percent better than what I got now.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Now we talked about this discussion that I had with Kris on Monday night. And I’m going to post the audio file on the same page that I post the audio files for the radio show. So it’ll appear directly below tonight’s audio file.

JOHN: All right.

SERGE: Maybe even put a link also on the workshop page.

MARK: Yep. That’s a good point. And probably post it on the forums and around, maybe even to the Skype chat room.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: And you were saying you already have the transcript.

MARK: Yes. Ellen, that wonderful, wonderful woman typed it overnight.

JOHN: How does she do that? She must do it in her sleep.

MARK: She stayed up all night. [Laughing.]

SERGE: We’re going to pay for it.

[Laughter.]

ELLEN: She’s just good.

JOHN: Oh, I’ve tried typing some of that stuff, and I get . . . What happens to me is I get typing along and then I have to move the audio back and to where I was, left off, and it’s, you know . . .

MARK: Lisa used to do the radio shows overnight.

JOHN: Really.

MARK: I used to get up in the morning and there it’d be in my inbox.

JOHN: Well, whatever you’re paying those people it’s not enough.

MARK: I know. I agree. When I have my millions I’ll make sure they’re taken care of.

SERGE: So what else is on the notes page?

JOHN: Oh, we’ve got great stuff here. If you, if you want all the gold of Fort Knox neatly piled in your living room, then this may not be the workshop for you. But if what you … what your desires are about is health, wealth and happiness for your own self then you’d better sign up.

MARK: Absolutely. You will definitely be a changed person in the end. And like I said, there’s two bonus sessions so we’re now up to eight weeks. He’s going to give us the missing piece from the Law of Attraction as stated in “The Secret” and elsewhere.

JOHN: Yes, and I’m not sure I should tell people this . . . Do you remember before the “Lotus Mind” he said it was not for the faint of heart?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Well he doesn’t, you know, rest assured; he doesn’t say that about this one. But what he does say is that it will not necessarily be easy.

MARK: That’s right.

JOHN: And that it’s not a matter of clicking your heels in a particular way, and holding your mouth in a particular way. He says we might even find ourselves breaking a sweat . . .

MARK: Ooh.

JOHN: . . . as we confront our limitations. And we may even struggle and be a little confused at times.

SERGE: So it’s like learning the Achey-Breaky?

[Laughter.]

ALAN: [Laughing.] Oh no.

MARK: Another thing he’s mentioned a couple of times is the word “controversial”. So, I like that. It’s very intriguing.

JOHN: Yeah, well the idea that we have to actually take action and possibly even sweat a little bit in order to have what we want is a kind of a refreshing idea in the New Age, which tends to be about navel gazing.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Part of the controversy also stems from the idea that if you have a belief it is necessarily bad.

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: And that kind of thinking is still mired in victim-hood. And that kind of thinking leads to entire groups of individuals striving for an unlimited experience, which in itself is extremely nebulous and ethereal. What it truly means is that the thinking, utilizing critical faculties, the intellect, the logical mind, the rational mind, must not part of the equation.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: You must “feel”. You must “love”. You must “simply be”.

JOHN: And then align your vibrations.

KRIS: Indeed. Without thinking. As a result you inadvertently bifurcate yourself. You create an artificial schizophrenia where thinking, logical thoughts, become suspect. And that only depletes the individual and creates the very same situation that they try to get away from. Combining the wonderful qualities of your intellect, your rational mind, your logical mind, your critical faculties, and so on and so forth, with the powers of your feelings, imagination, your loving, your emotions, even your aligning, brings about a very balanced mentality. And as a result the life experiences that are lived are so much more potent because there is a harmonized individual. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely. In fact I’m very happy we don’t have to throw out thinking with the bath water because I’ve devoted thirty, forty years of my life to refining my intellect to a very fine degree, thank you very much.

KRIS: Indeed. The purpose is to bring all of these various elements and unleash your higher intellect. Without that capacity you are effectively hobbled in one way or another. It may not seem that way initially, until you are in a situation where you need those faculties. Otherwise you skirt around issues and never really address anything, making yourself somewhat vague on any issue. That depletes your own energies. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: Do you have any other notes?

MARK: There are lots of notes here.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Let’s pick out some jewels here.

KRIS: Perhaps Alan has some?

ALAN: Actually you guys have covered pretty much everything I got out of it, and actually a few other things. But the one that really stuck in my mind was the quote that “between desire and outcome there is action”. And I think that pretty well summarizes what we’re all talking about here, and that’s the need to take some kind of transformative action in order to put all this stuff we’ve been learning about for years into practice.

KRIS: Indeed. [Indicating John] And what about your notes?

JOHN: Well I’ve got some notes here but what I thought I might reflect back to you was this idea that Serge asked me to write down. And he said, “Write this down, computer virus. And remind Kris that he wanted us to talk about that.”

KRIS: Indeed. Now in your terms, a computer virus indeed infects your computer. And it diminishes or even robs you of the opportunity to make use of the device until you acquire software to clean it up.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Therefore giving you back the opportunity to use the device . . .

JOHN: Um-hmm.

KRIS: . . . to it’s full potential. Similarly you can say that there are some trains of thought, some mindsets that are indeed like computer viruses.

JOHN: Oh, that’s interesting.

KRIS: They are, for the lack of a better expression, mental viruses. And we are utilizing it ONLY as an analogy. If you interpret this to be a fact then we suggest you need this course more than anything.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: So we’re not talking about mind parasites here?

KRIS: Indeed, and no eggs.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Now, in the terms of the analogy only, these viruses restrain your ability to make full use of your potential.

JOHN: So this would be like a limited program running.

KRIS: Indeed. And you have many of them. All of these stories that you run in the background that hold you back, that cause you to say, “Well, that car, that house, that suit, that job is all very nice. But I cannot get that because.” And you believe the stories so well that you can do exactly what you believe you can’t do.

JOHN: Yes, I think I understand that.

KRIS: Indeed. In fact, you are so adept, so masterful at doing exactly what you say you cannot do that you cannot do them until you change your perception.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Thus what we are suggesting then is that this course is the anti-virus software for the stories that cripple your abilities to enjoy your life.

JOHN: Wonderful. A very nice . . . I wondered where you were going with that but you pulled it out beautifully.

KRIS: Indeed. And does it make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does. It was very clear, actually.

JOHN: Anti-virus software.

KRIS: Indeed. For the mind.

JOHN: Mm-hmm. Wonderful.

KRIS: Free your mind of limitations.

JOHN: That’s great.

MARK: Sort of like switching from a PC Operating system to a Mac.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Well a lot of viruses just don’t work on the Mac.

MARK: That’s the point.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Virus proof your mind.

JOHN: I like that idea.

KRIS: When you engage these limiting stories, these viruses, you narrow your fields of opportunities because you so completely believe that you cannot do what you believe you cannot do. But you do. The idea then is to assist you in pushing back those self-imposed limitations in such a way that you can breathe, you can stretch your wings and you can take flight.

JOHN: That’s very interesting.

KRIS: If you had the choice to fly in a two-seater Cessna or to fly in a super luxury jumbo jet, which would you take?

JOHN: Airforce One.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Indeed, why not?

JOHN: Why not. You have to be President I think, or workin’ for him. Let me ask . . . Let me ask a clarifying question. Or should we have a break, or what?

MARK: Ask your question.

JOHN: All right. Here’s my question. We’ve talked about how beliefs . . . It’s silly. It’s New Age silliness to say that you can get along without beliefs at all. We’ve talked about the fact that beliefs are inherently limitations but that we choose them in order to create opportunities for us to have the experiences we want. And we’ve also talked about these viruses or old programs, which is another way of talking about beliefs . . .

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: . . . that are blocking us and are getting in our way. So we’ve got a variety . . . In other words, as I embark upon my day it would be very helpful for me to know, “Oh, that’s a belief that I’m using because it empowers me to have the experiences I desire here in this world. This other belief though, is blocking me and I’m going to find a way to work around it.”

KRIS: Indeed. When you come across what you sense or interpret or perceive to be a limitation . . .

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: . . . it is because you also perceive that there is something else, something larger in your life experience that you want and that seems to be an impediment to reaching that.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Otherwise you would not have conflict. Is the better solution then to never venture forth to want to be more than what you were yesterday?

JOHN: No.

KRIS: You cannot avoid that.

JOHN: No. That’s built in.

KRIS: Indeed. Recognizing then that there is a perceived impediment is your way of telling yourself that you have a desire to be more than what you were. But you may not see clearly enough through on your journey to actually become that. This course is to give you the keys to unlock and open the doors that previously were perceived as a limitation. And the key word in perception is that it appears to be a limitation whilst in truth, it is a strength and a bridge.

JOHN: Now. On that thought . . .

[Mark laughs.]

KRIS: And your comments?

JOHN: I think that’s a very powerful idea.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Extremely powerful idea. So that what I see . . . Let’s say I want to, oh, have a house. That’s a good one. Let’s say I want to have a house in the downtown Toronto. And I immediately say, “Oh I can’t do that because they all cost two million dollars and I’ll never have two million dollars.” So that second part is the limiting virus that you’re gonna’ show us how to turn into a bridge.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Okay. Well, I’ll be there. And I’ll remind you of that.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: We would not expect otherwise.

JOHN: Okay good. Well we should probably have . . . I think we’re trying to have two breaks an hour.

KRIS: Indeed. Do have a small pause.

MARK: Thank you.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design. My name is Mark Bukator. I’m sitting here with John, Serge and Alan, and now Kris again.

JOHN: Wow that was fast, wasn’t it?

MARK: Yeah. [Singing.] The Spirit in the Sky [Song by doctor and the Medics that was played at break.]

[Alan laughs.]

KRIS: Any last comment or observation or inquiry on this topic?

JOHN: How’re you doin’ Alan?

ALAN: Well I could throw a quick one in. And I was thinking that it’s interesting that if you experience something as a limitation then it implies that you must know that something better is possible. In other words, that there’s, there, otherwise you’d never see it as a limitation.

JOHN: That’s true.

KRIS: Very nicely put indeed.

ALAN: And what I find myself is I know something better is possible and it just seems to be right on the threshold of my awareness but I can’t quite get to it. And if you could get me a way to do that I’ll sign up twice for the seminar.

[John laughs.]

KRIS: Indeed then, that means that you can give yourself a twenty-dollar rebate.

ALAN: Twenty bucks. Yeah.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Perhaps we will let Phillip and Sohars give further details.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: And do understand that any time you come upon a limitation, a barrier of some kind to a more joyful experience, it is because you can sense that it is within a certain kind of reach. And with this workshop we will give you the tools and the keys to make the difference between thinking it as possible, hoping and wishing for it, and getting it.

JOHN: Wow.

MARK: Um-hmm.

KRIS: So think of your perceived limitations as stepping stones to joy. And with that we thank you for your consideration and we will let Phillip and Sohars continue.

MARK: Thank you. The rebate. We announced this last week, I believe. Anybody who takes this workshop, signs up for this workshop and brings a new person in, an additional person to sign up that has not been in any of our other workshops, will get a twenty-five dollar rebate?

SERGE: Twenty-dollar rebate. We’ll give you twenty dollars for it.

MARK: Yes.

SERGE: So if you bring five friends, guess what?

MARK: A hundred bucks.

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: Can that be like five different aspects of me?

MARK & SERGE: [Speaking at the same time.] No.

MARK: Not unless they’re all paying.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Oh, that’s a good point. That’s a good point.

SERGE: They have to be new people.

MARK: Yeah. They can’t be people that are in the workshops now.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: So the object . . .

SERGE: So John can’t bring Mark and Mark can’t bring John.

JOHN: All right. That’s fair.

MARK: The other thing, if you want to sign up for this workshop you can go to krischronicles.com, Kris with a K, and go up to that button up near the top that says, “How Do I?” And it says, “Join a Skype Workshop“. And down in there.

JOHN: Now I think I’ve got time to just say something about these Skype work shocks. I just said “work shocks”.

ALAN: Yes you did.

JOHN: Well you know what? That’s no accident. I’m beginning to notice that the words I speak are truer often than I think. That’s the exact point I wanted to make. These Skype “work shocks” are of an entirely different caliber of presentation than the radio shows that we’re listening to.

MARK: Oh, absolutely.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: We have very deep meditation contemplation adventures in practice where we go all over the known universe and then we open the door and go into the unknown universe.

MARK: This is not about the “sage on the stage”.

JOHN: No.

MARK: This is workshop. This is participation. This is action and doing.

JOHN: Now I also wanted to just share with the gang, those of you who went to the last “Lotus Mind” workshop may recall that there was a certain feeling of dizziness that many of us felt for maybe a week or so afterwards.

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: This “Change the World” workshop that we’ve just finished.

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: One night after the meditation, I stood up and practically fell over . . .

[Mark laughs.]

JOHN: . . . at my desk. I had not been drinking, kids. So what I really wanted to just say was that these represent a life-changing process. They’re not just “sittin’ and listenin’”.

MARK: Absolutely. And there’s camaraderie amongst all the people taking the course as well. And little groups and chats and so on and so forth. It’s wonderful. It really is wonderful. But that’s our time for tonight. I want to thank Alan and the Skype people.

ALAN: And you too, guys.

MARK: And stay tuned for The Heroic Journey of the Soul. Good night everybody.

JOHN: Good night.

ALAN: ‘Night everybody.

END OF PROGRAM

Law of Attraction II – Private Session with Mark

November 25, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, November 24, 2008

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: It is not often that we speak with our jammies on!  [Chuckling] You might have to explain that! Now there are several reasons why we asked for a discussion. One is to give a little more material towards the next workshop.

MARK: The Skype one?

KRIS: Indeed, and another reason is to discuss the possibility of continuing discussions. Now we recognize that there are occasions when you have had a full day, but we also recognize that you have plans and ideas and aspirations and that these involve and include discussions.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So our suggestion is — since the walking season is over and done with for the next few months — is at least one evening of the week — and that only leaves a few choices — are dedicated to further bookwork. You will have to determine. Our particular preference would be for Monday evenings, and whether you choose 7:30 or 8:00 in the evening, we will honor the choice.

Our only request is that you honor the commitment that you always stay on the time that you selected. So if 7:30 it is, or 8:00 it is, so be it for that duration of time. That will also get you into a positive time frame as well as maintain a pattern that can be most beneficial, but by not only reviewing a previous discussion and looking forward to the next, you automatically draw upon your own reserves and knowledge and everything else that it brings through an association. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: And maintaining the rendezvous has its own built-in sets of benefits. You have learned through your hypnosis class about secondary gain.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: These are benefits. There are two kinds of benefits. Both work for the individual, the only difference being that one set of these benefits ends up also maintaining destructive and self-sabotaging behavior whilst the ones we have a leaning towards is to promote self-awareness, which is of a different kind of beneficial rendezvous. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Do you have any questions along those lines?

MARK: No, I think that’s great. Now that the hypnosis course is over, I’m looking forward to this. I miss our little chats.

KRIS: Their very nature is most uplifting. They can be geared towards a continuation of the manuscript you already have and if at some point in time you ever get daring enough for a second discussion during the week, we can take on another project entirely.

MARK: Cool!

KRIS: Now, that simply means that you have to be aware of your scheduling, your suppertime and everything else that revolves around because for that chosen evening and time, everything else needs to revolve around it. Does that make sense?

MARK: Okay, so what you’re saying is that even though it’s only Joseph and I ourselves, we should treat it like we have people coming over at that time.

KRIS: Indeed. Do not think that you are just the two of you. We may be “chopped liver” but we are at least a classy chopped liver!

MARK: (Chuckling) Very delectable!

KRIS: As for the other part of this evening’s discussion, Joseph has already input some data we offered. It is also important — and this you can include as an audio file for download — but it is important to keep in mind that there are many different teachings on what is called “the Law of Attraction.” And for all intents and purposes, though the appellation is endearing, it is evocative, it is this and that, to call it a law is simply for the sake of accommodation. It gives a particular reference point for information. In and of itself, it ceases being a law as soon as the individual recognizes that it is an integral aspect of consciousness. It is what consciousness does, nothing more and nothing less.

It did not at one time become a decision on anyone’s part to instill this as a law and it is just as equally important that the principles upon which the so-called Law of Attraction is built on as espoused by many different teachers, physical or otherwise. That which gives the Law of Attraction a foundation is value fulfillment. No more, no less. And it is very often conveniently deleted, denied, or in this case, trivialized. This is a DDT. Perhaps it is a kind of insecticide of sorts!

It is very important to come to an understanding, and this is the missing piece of the Law of Attraction puzzle as to why it does not work for so many, and so few seem to make it work. There are many other factors involved and during these presentations we will be outlining processes to that effect, meaning a superior understanding of the active principles, the so-called “secret” ingredient to this recipe.

If it were possible we would also say that the Law of Attraction is supported by pillars; foundational pillars. One of them is, as given, value fulfillment. Another such pillar is action. And we are fully aware that some teachers, physical or otherwise, also claim that action, any kind of action is unnecessary, unwarranted and a blockage or stumbling block to the Law of Attraction. Instead, the student is directed to focus his thoughts and feelings in a specific direction towards a specific outcome, and from our vantage point, even though we might be deemed controversial — and as you well know, controversy is quite nicely couched in our presentations if need be!

MARK: Indeed!

KRIS: We do not shy from it! But for all intents and purposes, the very suggestion that the student direct his thoughts and feelings toward a desired outcome is also an action. It may not be physical, but it is definitely psychological. It is an action of consciousness and in and of itself, consciousness IS action. It is not static. It is not dead. It is not something indescribable. It CAN be described and one of those qualifiers that can describe consciousness is action, among many others, but action first and foremost.

The very action of directing the feelings, energies and thoughts and whatnots with all the bells and whistles involved towards the manifestation or creation of a desired outcome is a transformative action. It takes that which is potentially available into that which is available in your terms. That is also action. It is in some ways perhaps even ironic that so much action on the part of teachers, physical or otherwise, is required to impart the idea that no action is required on the part of the student!

There might be other nice qualifiers for that. You might like to look it up in your thesaurus! But we believe that this gets the point across and from our vantage point again, action is primordial. Without that action from desire to outcome, there is no outcome and desire turns to frustration. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: We could even go so far as to say that you may desire to go to the bathroom, but if you do not go to the bathroom, you will be in trouble!

MARK: (Chuckling) Absolutely.

KRIS: So this is an important point to keep in mind and our intent for this presentation is to provide you with the tools and resources to turn inner actions, desires, into manifest outcomes. Now everyone has the tools, of that there is no question, because you are already involved in the processes, but many of you are also recognizing that you are not getting the desired outcomes you want and we wish to keep it to a pragmatic, practical level.

If your desire is that by tomorrow morning all the gold in Fort Knox be piled up very neatly in your Livingroom, then may we suggest that you go somewhere else, but if your desire, your life and its manifest outcomes bring you health, wealth and happiness, then by all means become part of these discussions.

As we presented earlier, and as we just said as well, you already have the tools. Many of you are very much like the analogy we provided. Many of you are at a point in your life where you desire, for the sake of the analogy, a nice dream home and you have your ideas how the front will look, how the roof will slant, how many rooms it will have. Will it have a certain look? Perhaps Georgian or Southern or some kind and all of the materials have been delivered on your lot and you have your trusty hammer with you only to realize…. what would be a good expression? “Oh shit!”

MARK: (Laughing) That’s a good one!

KRIS: You have no idea how to use the hammer or anything else that was delivered on your lot to have your dream home become your dream home. Right now is nothing more than a pile of the most raw elements. Thus, what we intend to do is show you how to use various tools so that you can walk to the pile, begin to dig your foundation and begin to establish your dream home. Even if it is nail-by-nail, two-by-four by two-by-four, until you can move in.

It will not be easy. This is not a magical incantation where you click your heels three times and viola! Best to leave those kinds of productions to Hollywood. They seem very good at that. You might even find yourselves sweating in the act of confronting your own limitations; limitations that you have established on your own. You might find a struggle or even confusion in sorting out all of the barriers you have created along the way, but by the end of these weeks, you will be able to take the information, to take your mindset and attune it to such a vision of life that it becomes the reality you walk into.

It may even require that you replace some of your old ideas and beliefs about what you can and cannot do, what you have and cannot have, why you can have it or not, and a revision of old programming. But most definitely you will end the course as a different person. Not that we are slave drivers by any means, but simply because you make a choice and that choice is pivotal. You choose to transform your life and we will guide you in that direction, or you will choose to not change your life and go your merry way.
Do you have any questions or observations to add along that line?

MARK: I really understand how profound this is. I’ve come so far in the last eight years and gone through many of your workshops, and each one just outdoes the other and they’re powerful.

KRIS: Our presentations have an impact that for all intents and purposes is quite different from almost any other teacher, physical or otherwise, and we very categorically state that it is a very great failing of many New Age teachings to actually promote wishful thinking and impractical, non-pragmatic mindsets as if the idea that you can have EVERYTHING bears any practical merit whatsoever.

You may decide tomorrow that you want the sun and the moon and all of the stars with it. That is very nice. It can even become extremely poetic and you may spend a great deal of time, energy, monies, flying around the country, attending all sorts of workshops along those lines, but we can tell you right away that there are better uses for you time and money; that wishing for the stars, the moon and the sun is the stuff poetry and love stories are made of, perhaps even Hollywood movies, but for all other intents and purposes, especially of the practical, pragmatic kind, your desires will not bear fruit! Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: We are by no means saying that you cannot fantasize, dream and idealize and so on and so forth, but it is certainly a failing of many New Age teachings, again, in that, with the desire to bring inspiration to the masses, the baby of pragmatism and practicality has been thrown out with the bath water because it assumed to be too intellectual.

Some may even go so far as to claim that it is too involved with thinking, and only wishing is allowed. Without thinking, no questions are ever asked. No one is challenged. And without thinking, no questions asked. Then various teachers, physical or otherwise again, can take advantage of this kind of mindset and convince their audiences of almost everything they wish and then blame it on the audience. It is the audience that wished for what they got. We do not agree and never will and never have.

Thus, the materials and the courses we offered have always and will continue to always aim for that which is practical, pragmatic, real-time, in your face kind of information. It is very nice indeed to come to believe that you can be free of all limitations, all beliefs, that you can be beyond all those things, but then again, it comes down to some Eastern teachings, or something very similar to Eastern teachings where someone must abandon all desires and in order to do that, one must desire abandoning all one’s desires.

It more or less checkmates itself out and becomes an extended episode of mental masturbation. The intent may be wondrous indeed, but the practicality leaves much to be desired. Punfully intended! So our basic deal is this: You can walk the path of life with your heads stuck in the cloud thinking that you are indeed wonderful beings or you can walk the path of life with your head tightly and securely and lovingly attached to your body, be able to look at the clouds and appreciate what they are, be able to look in front of you and follow the path that you create and appreciate it fully and actually have experiences that work for you. Not imaginary experiences. Not fantasized potentials, but actual living experiences that work for you. That is our deal.

And we will end our little monologue at this point. Do you have other questions, something you might like to add or mention?

MARK: That’s a pretty sweet deal. If this is “Deal Or No Deal,” I’m taking the deal right now.

KRIS: Indeed! And there is no banker to tease you!

MARK: (Chuckling) No, I think that’s pretty clear. And enticing. I’m looking forward to this, as are many others, I’m sure.

KRIS: We would suggest to leave the possibility of two more evenings. From six to eight.

MARK: Oh, okay. Bonus material. Cute. Sweet.

KRIS: Indeed. Bonus material may not mean sweet cakes. It may mean hard labor, but the payoffs are something else entirely. The cherry on top.

MARK: The well-earned cherry on top.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And just to add to that, to help people understand, after taking this hypnotherapy course for eight weekends and then writing the exam, the exam itself was a huge learning curve for me. The final essay question — which I passed, barely – the essay question. I did very well on the exam. It taught me so much! It was well worth it.

KRIS: Indeed. We will even go so far as to presume that you can offer that for everyone that brings a friend they can deduct or will receive twenty dollars. Now, we should make clear that if there are individuals in previous courses, they may not bring someone else from the previous course. Does that make sense?

MARK: New people.

KRIS: Indeed. Bring a new individual to the course and get a refund as described. Are there any other areas that you might like to discuss?

MARK: Yes, at this point I would like to jump ship and talk about the radio show. The upcoming radio show.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Could you give me any clues or pointers for my crib notes?

KRIS: Indeed! Why not continue this?

MARK: Sure, sure. Absolutely.

KRIS: There is sufficient information in what we have just presented to make for a very nice and even controversial discussion.

MARK: Okay. That’s wonderful.

KRIS: Perhaps you might even send this audio recording to Sohars.

MARK: I was going to, actually. And Alan.

KRIS: Indeed, and they can choose specific topics. Or extract something from it to present, as can you. Anything else?

MARK: Anything I should know about the trip? Any forethoughts?

KRIS: There is no need.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: We may, at your suggestion, make a visit as you wish.

MARK: Okay, sweet.

KRIS: And with that we return Joseph to you. Do consider an established set of evenings and times that you can dedicate to our pursuits. Then indeed, we return Joseph to you and thank you for your lovely consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

(Session ends at 8:10 PM)

RBD: G.E.N.I.U.S. Model

November 20, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 20, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Reality by Design: A Kris Media Production here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Yes you are sitting here with John, Mark.  And so is Serge.

SERGE: Yep.  And I’m glad that John is sitting there with John, and Mark is sitting there with Mark and nobody else.

MARK: And you’re sitting there with Kris.

SERGE: Yeah,

JOHN: I’m beside myself.

MARK: And do we have Alan?  Hello?

ALAN: Well, I’m here.

MARK: There he is.

JOHN: Hi Alan.

SERGE: Hey mister Colorado.  How are you?

ALAN: Great.  How’s the great white north?

MARK: White.

SERGE: It’s very white.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Yeah, we got a bit of a premature blast of snowiness today.

MARK: It was actually really pretty last night.

SERGE: Yeah.  It just hasn’t turned to black slop yet.

MARK: That’s the problem . . .

ALAN: Denver got a little bit too.  They went from eighty degrees one day to twenty-eight and freezing rain.

JOHN: Ah.

MARK: From eighty?

ALAN: [Laughing.]  Yeah.  They had a high of right close to eighty, downtown.

MARK: Where’s that?

ALAN: In Denver.

MARK: Wow.  I thought Calgary had the record for the quickest temperature drop and the largest.  They drop like forty degrees in . . . Mind you that’s Centigrade, so maybe that’s why.

ALAN: Oh yeah, that makes a difference.  I have seen it drop sixty degrees in a day.

MARK: Wow.

SERGE: I remember when I was a late teenager; an uncle of mine had rented crown land in Quebec.  Lots, like we’re talking six hundred and eighty acres of land.  And there was an old wooden lodge.  And one of the two winters I spent there it was cold and I saw the temperature drop from just thirty degrees, where it’s cold, to thirty below in about fifteen minutes.  The temperature drop was so fast and so intense that the beams in the house were crick and crack.  And I was younger and naive, and actually an idiot. [Laughter.]  I thought . . .

JOHN: Not to put too fine a point on it.

SERGE: No, no, no, no, it was very subtle.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: I thought I would be warmer if I slept by putting the couch closer to the furnace on the ground floor, without ever thinking that it’s hotter upstairs because heat rises.  I was freezing.  I couldn’t understand why.

MARK: Wow.

SERGE: It was made to be very clear to me the next day.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Well fortunately it’s not that cold here in Toronto.  It did get nice and white last night.  The snow was coming down.  It was so pretty.  Serge and I went out for a walk and were looking at people’s Christmas decorations in the wintry wonderland.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: But today it’s sort of blackened.  [That is a] problem with snow in the city.  So anyway, I guess I should talk about some of the upcoming workshops before we get started.  We will be finishing up the “So You Want to Change the World” series, this coming Tuesday.  And, oh, there will only be one radio show, live radio show, in December.  The very first Thursday night in December, Serge and I are actually in Mexico, so there will not be a show.  The next week there will be a show.  And then after that, the radio station shuts down for two weeks and runs repeats.  So just to give people a “head’s up”.

Starting in January, Kris has announced that he has a new Skype workshop.  It’s called “Change Your Life: The Keys to Unlocking the Secrets of Your Mind“.  Now I’ve got this on the website.  If you go to the krischronicles.com website under the “How Do I”, you can click on “Join a Skype Workshop“, and all the details are there.  Or you can go to krischronicles.com/?page_id=1407  [Laughing.]

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: Anyway, “Change Your Life: The Keys to Unlocking the Secrets of Your Mind” is every Tuesday night at 7:30 P.M.   And it’s going to’ run right through to . . . It starts January 13th, and runs through February 17th, for six weeks.  The cost before December 31st is $225.00 US.  And there is an installment plan available.  So that’s my big announcement.

JOHN: Great.  Well it’s nice to know.  “Change the World” has been such a thrilling little adventure, big adventure that it’s nice to know that we get another little present after the New Year.

MARK: Exactly.  I love these Skype workshops, so revealing and so enlightening.

JOHN: Yeah, they’re . . . It’s funny.  There seems to be a type of presentation that particularly suits Kris’ style.  And when I say that, if you go to a two-day workshop, for me, it’s so intense and there’s so much in two days.  I mean it’s wonderful.  I love them.  But there’s something about it stretching out over six weeks that I find suits my learning style better.

MARK: It’s . . . Definitely there’s a need for both.  But the Skype, it gives you that week to put into practice what you’ve learned on a particular Tuesday night and actually dream about it and process it and live it in your real life, day to day life.  And then you can come back and talk about it.  And then Kris will take it to the next level and to the next level.

JOHN: And the fact that we have that time is not lost on Kris because he frequently gives us exercises to do over the course of the week and to talk about it on the forums and what not.  So it ends up being like a . . . I don’t know.  You know when you go to school and then you have the time when you go to, and try out a job.  What do they call that?

SERGE: On the job learning?

JOHN: On the job.  Yeah.  That’s what it is.  It’s on the job learning as opposed to . . .

MARK: Apprentice.

JOHN: Yeah.

SERGE: And one incredible benefit is that there are a lot of people who just couldn’t travel to a live event.  And there’s people attending the Skype workshops on line from England, Netherlands, Australia [and] parts of the world . . . Malaysia, parts of the world where it’s just not feasible to spend two thousand dollars to fly for a three hundred dollar workshop.

JOHN: No.

SERGE: So this gives a lot of people an opportunity to connect with us and Kris.

JOHN: I’ve got an idea.  If you raised the price of the two-day workshop to like ten grand, then it would be worth the two-thousand-dollar air flight.  Well that’s one way to go.

MARK: It works out in favor of the airlines, not us.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: But speaking of live weekend workshops, I just want to plant the seeds in everybody’s mind to prepare for the June 6th and 7th workshop here in Toronto at the Ramada Plaza Hotel on Jarvis Street, same hotel as “Lotus Mind” except we’re getting a bigger room.  We’ve sort of outgrown that room, the Frontenac Suite.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: And it’s time to move up to part of the Grand Ballroom.

JOHN: Ooh.

MARK: Yeah.  So keep that in mind and make your travel plans.  And make sure you get the time off work and whatever it needs.  June 6th and 7th 2009.

SERGE: Yep.  That’s coming very soon, a month and a half

MARK: It’s at a very exciting stage for me because we’re doing all the planning and that’s very fun.  Oh, the title of that one, by the way, is “Your Highest Enlightenment: The True Meaning of Ascension“.

JOHN: Right.  That will be very interesting.

MARK: So one thing I wanted to talk a little about tonight was something that Kris said at, on the last Skype workshop.  He was talking about language and how the language comes from the subconscious.  I found that to be very interesting.

JOHN: Do you know, that reminds me of that joke, “How do it know?”

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Like, how does the subconscious of a baby born in Korea know to bring up the Korean language?  I’m just kidding.  [Laughter.]  I’m just kidding.  Do you know, that reminds me of what . . . called cordellas?  Do you remember cordellas?

MARK: Vaguely, yes.

JOHN: It’s a Seth concept.  And apparently cordellas are sort of the mother . . .

MARK: The mother of all language.

JOHN: Yeah.  Where languages come from, right.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: So that’s interesting.  So they go from the cordellas to the unconscious and then to the conscious.

MARK: Which makes sense to me because as a child, as a baby . . . Okay, yeah, mommy and daddy point out that this is a fridge, this is a stove, this is a pen, this is a book.  But whoever teaches you what “this” means, the word “this”, or “is”, or all these different words in the language that nobody ever explains to you but you know what they mean?

JOHN: Yeah, well I think . . . I was observing a couple of mothers on the subway a while back.  I’ve been travelling on the subway more recently.  And here’s the thing I noticed is that they talked constantly, both of them.  You might have thought that they were talking to each other.  No.  They were just talking constantly and they were talking to the babies, they were talking to each other, they were talking to the other one’s baby.  And it was like a running commentary about, “Oh, now isn’t that fun?  Oh, your blanket fell on the floor.  Oh, and now’s the . . . Oh, look out the window.  Isn’t that wonderful?”  So it may be that part of what a mother does is just talk and talk and talk and talk until eventually the baby gets it.

MARK: [Laughing.]  That explains everything.  Now I understand.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: The baby’s going to talk just to get out of it.

[Laughter.]

MARK “The only way I can silence her is to start talking myself.”

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Now, I don’t want that to sound like a criticism.  It was a very sweet thing to be observing.

MARK: The other story I’d like to tell though was, when I was living in Berlin and working in Potsdam.  It was late at night and I had to take a taxi home.  And it was a good twenty-minute taxi ride.  And the taxi driver only spoke German and I only spoke English.  And the two of us chatted the whole way and understood each other.  And how do you explain that?

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Yes indeed, language is truly much more than you have ever thought it to be.  Now there are many sciences that deal with language.  There are linguistics and so many other areas.  However, many of these branches of science do not take into consideration the natural predisposition or consciousness in that very capacity to create the necessary circumstances in order for the personality to tap into its vast reserves, its own vast reserves, that enables communications.  And communication can definitely qualify as one of these “Absolute Eternal Truths”.  There is no question of that, simply because it is a fact.

Even the simple act of looking at an inanimate object, say a stone, engages perception, which in itself also engages communication.  Does that make some sense to you?   Now of course we are not suggesting that the stone would put on its smoking jacket, sip on a cup of tea or a snifter of brandy and engage in a long-winded theological or theosophical discussion.  But the act of perception is a communication.  It is, too, a language.  Do you follow that?

JOHN: I do follow that.  What’s given me a leg up on that is that you have said for some time that perception is always involves a translation.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And you can’t translate something unless it’s a language.

KRIS: And your own lovely subjective self, whether you call it your unconscious, your subconscious, the neo-conscious and so on, is naturally predisposed to interpretations and translations of energy.  Thus it is in a constant state of communication.  It engages a feedback on many levels simultaneously, more so than your conscious mind can ever keep track of.  The very act of breathing, walking – to you very simple acts indeed.  What could be more simple than breathing and walking?  But if your conscious mind had the business of keeping track of this and making it available to the personality, you would most likely blow a fuse or two.  Your main computer board might even short circuit, because it cannot keep track of all of the tiny muscular actions necessary to contract and expand the lungs or even to put one foot ahead of the other.  You might end up with two left feet.  Does that make sense?

JOHN: It does indeed.

KRIS: So these simple actions are left to another part or area of your consciousness.  Of course, these deep layers of your personality are always engaged then in translating and transforming different states of consciousness, which in itself requires an eagerness towards communication.  And the self is in that constant state of reflection, but an eager reflection.  It is not passive but instead extremely active.  Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Thus the child, even newborns have already been listening through their developing senses.  And all of the activities and the verbal exchanges and emotional exchanges with and through the mother and other individuals, it already has a basic understanding of communications from that level.  But its own physical senses that are still in development are themselves a reflection of inner senses that have an innate predisposition towards communication.  And that in itself comes from the deeper layer of the child’s own unfolding personality.  And any parent, specifically mother, would be able to tell you what kind of personality the child is developing, not as a projection of her own, but as the child’s own individual expressions, as unformed and undeveloped and obviously immature as it is, still those traits and characteristics will begin to display themselves.  Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And already then this sets into motion various kinds of communication, because it is through these aspects of the child’s own personality that it can communicate certain of its wants and needs.  So even then, this requires a type of language that establishes communication.  And that comes from deeper within the child’s developing persona.  Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

KRIS: Above and beyond that, in order for your own neo-conscious mind to communicate to itself and to the conscious personality, all of its developments, its aspirations, your own aspirations and so on, it needs to establish a constant state of feedback.  And it does this through another kind of alphabet, the alphabet that you end up calling “matter”, that is then transformed into the objects that seem to be externalized to your personality.  So that is also a system of communication.  Otherwise there can be no feedback.  Does that make sense?

MARK: Wow.

JOHN: Yes, it does.  It’s a fun way to think about it.  I think Ellen had an insight similar to that on one of our sessions.

KRIS: Even your physical forms have to establish that constant loop of feedback.  Otherwise you would not be aware that you had cut the tip of your finger off and likely bleed it out, or any other serious or more serious injury.  You would not be able to determine if your physical form can withstand the cold or extreme heat, putting yourself in further risk.  Thus the physical body provides its own methods of feedback.  This requires a different kind of alphabet.  So you could say that the neo-conscious mind is multi-lingual.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It not only speaks, or has the propensity to speak every language on your planet, but it also uses alphabets that you would definitely never consider part of any language.  So there is an entire symphony of means and methods of communication that enter into the picture.  Neo-consciously speaking then, you are very busy individuals.  Now do you further understand the immense responsibility in being that ten-percent that manages the ninety-percent?

JOHN: Oh, boy.  Yeah.

KRIS: So through that conscious aspects of yourself, that ten-percent, you give the ninety-percent not only directions but incredible feedback.  The difficulties arise when your feedback mechanism, or your end of the feedback mechanism, somehow or other goes awry.  Does that make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely.  I personally admit to being responsible for shutting that down occasionally myself.

MARK: I find it fascinating too as a ten-percent trying to understand all those languages and all those alphabets.

JOHN: What . . .

KRIS: You may not be able to.

MARK: No, obviously not.

KRIS: But you have at least an intuitive understanding of that potential.

MARK: But in, in the, in searching and trying to widen my own awareness it’s trying to understand some of those communications on different levels.

KRIS: Indeed.  Do you have any inquiries on that particular subject matter?

JOHN: Well I can always come up with one.

KRIS: Indeed then, in the meantime perhaps you might like to take a very small of your two breaks?

MARK: Okay.

JOHN: Oh, two breaks?  Oh, fine.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins, Serge Grandbois and Alan Aspinall out in Skype-land.

JOHN: Yeah, how are you doin’, Alan?

ALAN: Hey, I’m doin’ good here.  Just readin’ the mail.

JOHN: Oh good.  Well I’m glad you’re . . .

MARK: No bills in there are there?

SERGE: Throw those bills in the fireplace.  Nobody needs those.

JOHN: Well we’ve . . .

ALAN: We have had a little discussion about the, just the last topic.  And Lisa was wondering how the feedback mechanism goes awry.  And Dave commented thinking that it’s maybe just a factor of us just not being consciously aware of what our thoughts, feelings and words are, operating more out of habit than actually being in communication with the neo-conscious.

KRIS: Perhaps we may address this.  As we have suggested before, there are at least four identifiable elements, human situations that can truly throw a wrench in your wheels.  These are fear, guilt, shame and . . . What is the other?

MARK: Sadness.

KRIS: Anger.

MARK: Anger.

KRIS: Anger is often covered up by sadness.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: These four situations literally create the proverbial white elephant in the living room, so to speak.  And in order to pretend that the elephant is not there you must always walk around it in order to avoid it, therefore giving the semblance that it be invisible.  Thus certain amounts of energy are expended and literally eaten up by your actions to circumvent and pretend that the white elephant is not there.  This creates its own sets of difficulties and challenges, does it not?

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: That is in part the major reasons why the communication systems go awry.  It builds barriers and dams, blockages and brick walls and so on, short-circuiting the feedback mechanism.  In so many words then, it creates a short circuit, an impediment, a blockage to the system of communication.  And it all has to deal with perception.  And one of the major reasons why communication is so important, above and beyond the obvious, is that communication is an aid to perception.  It is an automatic translation or transformative system.  And your words as we have also explained, language of any kind, has a tremendous influence into perception.  So when those systems are being short-circuited, then your own perceptions become top heavy, lopsided, distorted.

For instance, you may take the present situation in the world markets, and especially in The United States.  The perception is then that the entire monetary system is going to hell in a hand-basket.  And everyone seems to be jumping on that bandwagon.  And the more you concentrate upon it, does it not seem obvious then that of course everything is falling apart because everyone says it is doing so.  The experts are pitching in giving their quote/unquote, tongue in cheek we say “expert opinions”.  All they are doing is reflecting upon the perceptions.  And of course the more you do that, the more emphasis you place upon the situation, the more you concentrate upon it and the more it seems obviously true.  And yet, the reverse can also be said for there are many individuals and may companies that flourish at these times.  How can that be?

JOHN: Perhaps they don’t share those perceptions.

KRIS: Indeed.  And there are many individuals who have a completely different outlook, which still allows them to focus upon prosperity, whether in health, wealth or otherwise.  So the situation has to do with perception and not reality.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Absolutely.  There are as many rocks out there now as there were before.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Actually I had a fun little thing I wanted to share.  We had a question from Skype-land about how the communication goes awry on our end.  And I just wanted to share with people something that we folks here in Canada are familiar with.  And that is, if you stick your hand, your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and go, “Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.  I can’t hear you. Doo-doo.”  Then that is, I think, an example of perception, communications going awry.

MARK: I keep jumping back to our hypnosis course that we’re taking . . .

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: . . . and what defines a problem.  And one of the things, of course, is the way people think.  They distort things, they delete things, and they generalize.  Also there’s an intense emotion or lack of emotion.  And of course perceptions is huge, and location and time…  The four things that define a problem.

JOHN: I think you’re gonna’ pass that test.

MARK: [Laughing.]  I hope so.

JOHN: Well actually Kris, I had a question to ask you about communications, if I may?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Of course we’re very, very appreciative of the fact that you communicate here weekly with us.  And the question I had for you was, keeping in mind all the astonishing ways the neo-conscious is communicating with us . . . I mean matter is a form of communications, our bodies, not to mention all the internal stuff, feelings and what not.  The question is this, “Do you need to set aside a certain portion of your, the breadth of your awareness in order to focus so sharply and minutely as to be able to communicate to us in our language of English?  Or are you able to do that and still maintain the full range that we’ve been discussing that the neo-conscious employs?”

KRIS: Setting aside a portion of our awareness might be perhaps too strong an expression, but perhaps even valid in a certain way.  It is merely a matter of reorganizing the priorities of our own concentrations and perceptions.  Think of it this way, when any of you are in the throes of passion would you care less about something happening in a foreign land?

JOHN: No.

KRIS: Indeed not.  But it is still occurring.

JOHN: And we may have some peripheral awareness of it.

KRIS: Indeed.  But for the most part you are engaged in something entirely different.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: That is perhaps the best approximation we can give you.  Everything else is still fully in our awareness.  We simply shift the perception in a different way.

JOHN: Okay.  Well that’s, that’s helpful.

KRIS: Think of it this way.  When you walk into your electronics shops, perhaps Future Shop, Best Buy or any of these places that have huge walls with hundreds of television monitors on them . . .

JOHN: All playing different channels.

KRIS: Indeed.  If you stand back far enough you can, potentially, entertain a certain awareness of each monitor.  But the closer you get to it, the others are still there, but you tend to concentrate on one above all the others.  That is perhaps another example.  Everything is still there but we are focusing on a specific channel of communication.

JOHN: And we’re grateful for your consideration.

MARK: And the same goes for us in our waking state.  We tend to be closer to one or two TV sets, but when we go to sleep at night we tend to step back and get more of those networks of TVs, changing our focus between, toggling between them.  And that’s why our dreams shift around.

KRIS: Indeed.  And as far as communications go, during break you went over and looked at the chrysanthemums on the coffee table in the studio.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Now to you it may simply have been a matter of you looking at the pretty flowers and admiring their pretty “flowered-ness”.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: But that too is a kind of communication.  The apparently external imagery of the flowers picked up by the rods and cones in your eyes conveyed the images of the flower to your brain.  Correct?

JOHN: Yes.  And I smelled them too.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now this takes into account that subconsciously you would also have brought up countless other occasions where you have looked at and smelled different flowers.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: Did you notice that?

JOHN: Frankly, no.

KRIS: That action shifts somewhat more to the front because it is associated with that action.  Now, in order to fully appreciate the prettiness of the flowers, you might also, subconsciously, have focused upon all the other times that you appreciated pretty flowers, establishing links of communication to all the various moments in your life where you would have looked at flowers, creating an internal panoramic scenario of great proportion. Does that make sense to you, somehow?

JOHN: It does make sense.  And suddenly the penny drops.  Do you remember, before break, you asked me if I was beginning to get a glimpse of what the responsibilities of the ten-percent were?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: So the whole self is always present but also in the background.  And it involves various, if you want, levers and pulleys and buttons and gizmos of communication within the neo-conscious mind that are spread throughout various time/space coordinates that you may not ever become aware of.  But those communications exist.  And they render the fullness of the experience to a heightened degree were you to engage more than just your physical senses with the flower.  Because at another level you are also aware of all the molecular structure, the subatomic structures, and simultaneously you are aware of being in the process of creating that moment.  These are all communications that enhance the value of your experience, thus returning you to value fulfillment.

JOHN: You’re gonna’ be tellin’ me in a minute that All That Is was lookin’ out through my eyes at that flower.

KRIS: It could also be that All That Is was looking at you THROUGH the flower . . .

JOHN: Yes.

[Mark laughs.]

KRIS: . . . making itself experience itself through your perceptions.

JOHN: Okay you can stop now.  I’ve got no more fuses to blow.

[Laughter.]

MARK: [Laughing.]  Re-set panel.

KRIS: It is always a pleasure to play [unintelligible word] with you.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Now you see why I picked this topic?

JOHN: Yeah.  So how are you doin’, Alan?  Excuse me there, Kris.

ALAN: Well you know, I was just thinking that, that whole last exchange is really an excellent description of what hypnosis is.  It’s the process of kind of selecting in favor of one set of sensations or criteria and letting the others go to the background.

JOHN: Oh, that’s true.

ALAN: So it really, it’s really right along the line of what you guys have been involved in lately.

KRIS: Indeed.  And that exemplifies the human being’s natural predisposition to hypnotic states.  Now we believe you are due a second, very brief pause.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Thus, perhaps for one moment some nice musical and station interlude.

MARK: Okay.

JOHN: Okay.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John, Serge and Alan.

SERGE: And John ate the plant.

[Laughter.]

MARK: During that last break, John went over to talk to the plant.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: Go ahead and eat it.

JOHN: Well that was quite a little journey he took us on, wasn’t it?

MARK: Actually amazing, yeah.  Blew a few fuses there.

JOHN: Yeah.  Well you know, it really helps me understand the, like . . . You see the amazing thing is that the ten-percent that is my conscious awareness is steering that, right?

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: So that . . .

MARK: But this also helps define . . . When you ask a question, most people, of themselves, of their higher selves, they ask questions, they’re expecting answers to come in the form of language in English or whatever.  But your very experiences, your day-to-day experiences are the answers.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: And this helps explain that.

JOHN: And they’re in a language too.  It just doesn’t happen to be in English.

KRIS: Indeed.  And in some past discussions we have made that connection, that very often the answers that you seek, even when you are pulling the gods down from the heavens demanding answers to your challenges, the answers may be all around you.  But you are so narrowly focused you cannot see them because they are intertwined into the lovely experiences of your day-to-day lives.  Thus by opening your awareness in this way, you might simply avail yourself of more solutions to your challenges.

MARK: And that’s exactly what I was trying to say when I said, as that conscious ten-percent trying to understand “some” of those different languages.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: It really helps.

KRIS: And the nice thing about that little ten-percent, though it is not meant to belittle it, but it has the capacity to go well beyond its boundaries.  Because the boundaries that seem to exist are the ones that you have created there.  So your potential is much more than you ever thought it can be.  This does not mean that tomorrow you can learn to fly like Superman.  But it does mean that you have the ability to always be more than what you were.  That is the very nature of value fulfillment.

We have a small proposal that you may implement in your thinking in this way.  And it utilizes the acronym of the word “genius“.

JOHN: Genius.

KRIS: Always centre your thinking. G can easily stand for being “genuine and generous with yourself”.  E for “enlightened”, and N for “nurturing”, I for “integral”, U for “unconditional”.  What would you add for the last letter?

JOHN: S.  Sympathetic?

KRIS: What do you use in your SMART model?

MARK: Simple, Specific.

JOHN: And . . . specific and suitable, or . . . What’s the other word?

KRIS: Sustainable.

JOHN: Sustainable.  That’s good.

MARK: I hope Robert’s not listening.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Anyways then he would certainly appreciate it.  And if he is not, then convince him it would be to his own advantage to listen.

MARK: I was just joking ‘cause we couldn’t figure out the answer.

KRIS: You do have your own exam on Saturday.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So by establishing this as a model through which to, if you like, channel your perception, you can give yourselves a tremendous advantage.  Each of the words to the letters provide an expansion, an enlightening expansion at that.  Would you say so?

JOHN: Yeah.  Those are nice words: Genuine, Enlightened, Nurturing, Integral, Unconditional and Sustainable.

KRIS: Indeed.  How would you apply that?

JOHN: Well, this has to do with my own natural unleashing my creative juices, genius.  Isn’t that the theme for this year?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yeah.  So we’re doubling back to the theme after a little hiatus there over the summer.  Well to be genuine, would be to be, just to be me.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: ‘Cause nobody can be me, better than me.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Enlightened.  Well I’m quite charmed by the fact that you’re suggesting that, that with a new understanding of that word, that we’re actually creeping up on, within seeing distance of what that might be in our own personal lives, being enlightened.  Nurturing speaks for itself.  The story I love about nurturing is bees.  The best way to help bees on the planet, keeping in mind that what they do is nurture us and themselves, is to take care of our own nurturing and the bees will be an outward reflection of that.  Integral – I love that.  You know Paul Helfrich would love that.

MARK: Yeah.  I thought of him too.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Integral.  Integral brings into the whole holonic, holographic kind of – everything is integrated into everything else.  How are we doing?

KRIS: Excellent.

JOHN: Oh good.  Unconditional.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Unconditional.  That’s one of those words like unlimited that stretches your, stretches your understanding.  I think, unconditional love, I think of the love of a mother for the child, you know.  And you know, I love sustainable.  That was what Pelosi was asking the automakers, to make sure that they had a plan that was viable.  They don’t want to just throw twenty-five million dollars at them.  They want them to have a plan that is viable and sustainable.

KRIS: The idea is that it should not be simply the CEO’s who line their pockets.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Now all told, utilizing such a model can unleash your own personal genius.  So how you use it is something you can put into effect and it may be something you can develop on your own.  We are aware that you are very good at that are you not?

JOHN: I am very good at that.

KRIS: Indeed.  And for your own, how do we say?  For your own purposes Phillip, you might seek to copyright that.

JOHN: Oh great.

MARK: Good.

KRIS: It is our gift.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And with that we turn over the rest of this production to you even though it is not finished yet.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: And we thank you for your lovely genius.

JOHN: Well thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

ALAN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: What a sneaky way of bringing out the genius in us.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

MARK: That’s pretty cool.  Now nobody copyright that before I can get there.

[Laughter.]

ALAN: Oh nuts.

MARK: Any comments from Skype?

ALAN: Well I think that hit something here because there’s been quite a bit of posting with the letters and all of that.  I think this is . . . I think there’s something more to come from this.

MARK: Yeah, definitely, definitely.  That’s pretty cool.

SERGE: So what’s been going on there?

MARK: Kris gave us a new acronym for the word “genius”.  And if we live in this manner and express ourselves in this manner, it will bring out the genius within us.  “G” is for “to be genuine”.  “E” is for “enlightened”.  “N” is for “nurturing”.  “I” is for “integral”.  “U” is for “unconditional”.  And “S” is for “sustainable”.

SERGE: Okay.  And there was some talk in Skype about it?

MARK: Well yeah.  It’s created a lot of talk in Skype.

SERGE: Oh.  So what are they talking about?

ALAN: Oh, I think everybody’s just kind of thrilled with the whole idea of it.  It’s, you know, here, out of the blue it’s an acronym that we can put into practice.

MARK: Another tool for the toolbox.

ALAN: Yeah, another tool for the toolbox.

SERGE: Cool.

ALAN: You know in a way it kind of answers a question that I’ve had on my mind the last couple of days.  And that was that whole thing about “mixed messages”.  Like where we . . . where we . . . Oh, let’s say we sing a song we’ve heard on the radio.  We really like the tune but there’s something negative about the lyrics, as a lot of them are these days.  Or, you know, cases like in some kinds of humor or in satire, or you’re using one set of language and you’re trying to communicate something else, and it seems like these mixed messages would really violate this, this “genius” acronym.

MARK: Absolutely.

SERGE: Actually on, I think it was “Stumble Upon”, this afternoon I happened to look at some amazing, really amazing rap dancing.  It was just mind-blowing stuff.  The moves are awesome.  But I started . . . I tried specifically to pick out the lyrics, the words, and whoa.  It’s a good thing that they are rapped out really quickly because if people caught that, the rappers’ tongues would be pulled out.

MARK: Well that’s about our time, kids.  Thanks Alan, and thanks for everybody in Skype-land.

ALAN: Oh, you too.  Another good show guys.

MARK: Okay.  And stay tuned for The Heroic Journey of the Soul.  Good night everybody.

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Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
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MARK: Good evening and welcome to Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Production here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Thank you, Mark.  And thank . . . welcome everybody to another Thursday evening with Kris on the radio.  And of course, we couldn’t have this kind of fun without our friend, Serge.

SERGE: Thank you, Mark.  Thank you, John.  And we’re gonna’ have extra fun tonight.  Our friend, Robert Doyle, is here.  Robert hasn’t been here in just over a year, probably since August of last year.  And we’re very happy to have him here.  Robert is a Master Hypnotherapist, all sorts of wonderful things.  Robert is the Director of Training for the Harvard Institute of Hypnosis.  He’s the co-founder of CMI from way back.  And he’s a passionate researcher of Reality by Design in many ways.  He’s the past president of the Ontario Association of Hypnotherapists here in Ontario.  And he’s a therapist in private practice.  So you can find his website at . . . [ To Robert] is that “one” as in numeric?

ROBERT: As in numeric.

SERGE: Numeric “1mind.ca“.  And in his private practice, Robert helps clients create rapid results that some have called “sheer magic”.  And perhaps he’ll share some of that magic here with us tonight.

ROBERT: Hopefully.  Yeah, I’m real happy to be back.  Thank you very much.  And as we go through the “R.B.D.” series that Kris is kicking off, I think tonight, then we’ll find out also why I called it “1 mind”.  Because I think that’s one of the secrets behind creating your own reality is be focusing one mind that you connect with other “one minds”.

SERGE: Well, in that respect, we have one more mind to connect with us tonight and that is Alan Aspinall on Skype.

ALAN: Hey, I’ve half a mind to get back to you.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: And I have a quarter of a mind to tell you about it.

[Laughter.]

ROBERT: Nice to hear you again, Alan.

ALAN: Hey, we do have, we do have a couple of new people that have joined the chat.  We’ve got Alyssa from New York, and Dave from Toledo.

MARK: Welcome aboard.

ALAN: So the chat room’s growing.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: What was the name in Toledo again?

ALAN: Alyssa.  Oh, I’m sorry.  Dave’s in Toledo.

JOHN: Dave in Toledo.

MARK: Hi Dave.  Hi Alyssa.  Hi everybody else.  Welcome to the Reality by Design.

SERGE: And I do want to very quickly thank a number of people.  I’ll just quickly run off a few names, because they have given some very nice contributions to help us with the website and the radio show.  There’s Gila in Germany. There’s Alan, there’s Chuck, there’s Bill. Everybody loves Bill.  And so many other people have offered some nice contributions that are really helpful.  So, thank you very much.  And it’s keeping us going.

MARK: We appreciate it, very much.

SERGE: Yep.

JOHN: Well, we just about had some tired air there for a moment, didn’t we.

MARK: Almost.

JOHN: So we’re going to I . . . one of the pleasures of tonight’s format is we get to pick the brain of Robert Doyle a little bit.  And, ah, I’m here to tell you that there’s quite a lot of, … think of it as a smorgasbord, because Mark and I share being students of Robert’s, and Serge’s, to that extent, in the Harvard Institute of Hypnosis program, which is well under way.  In fact, I think we’re down to the last quarter of the program.

SERGE: Actually just two weekends.

JOHN: Yep.

ROBERT: Two weekends to go, and I can tell you that certainly John and Mark I think have not only exceeded their own expectations, but they’ve met Serge’s and I’s expectations for not only how capable they’re going to’ learn the material, but how they’ve already been able to apply it.  So, if anyone has any questions about hypnosis, please get in touch with either John, Serge, Mark or myself and we’ll be pleased to tell you’ how you can really use it to accelerate your own reality creation or change.

MARK: Absolutely.  I can’t tell you how it’s changed me.  I’m using it in my day-to-day life.  I’m using it at work.  It’s great.  I’m loving’ it.

JOHN: Well, something that struck me quite early on in the program, Robert, was when you said that all this wonderful stuff we were learning about hypnosis, that to avoid the mistake of using it like a fire extinguisher. I think this would be a fire extinguisher with a glass closure that said, “Break in case of the need for hypnosis,” or something like that.

ROBERT: Break and click in case of client.

JOHN: Yes.  So, I’ve been, as you suggested, applying many of the things that we’ve learned.  And the thing that strikes me again and again and again is how absolutely congruent this material is with what Kris has been teaching in “CMI“, and “Change the World” and just in general.  What do you think, Mark?

MARK: Oh, definitely.  Most definitely.  It ties in so nicely. In fact, it was Kris that recommended to Serge originally that he should go learn hypnotherapy.

JOHN: Oh.

MARK: And it turns out Kris has been using it all along anyway.  And . . .

JOHN: Kris is a heck of a hypnosis, hyp, hypno . . .

MARK: Hypnotherapist.

JOHN: Yeah.

ROBERT: He sure is.  In fact just the way things are structured is, the Harvard Institute took a more scientific approach, dealing with hypnosis, its roots and where its going, and the “CMI” side of it takes a more esoteric or spiritual approach.  But they both draw on the same material, even though it’s presented in a context that is more applicable to the various schools of thought.  So there’ll be substantial overlaps.  And from that, what I’m really hoping for and expecting is, people like yourselves, Mark, John, etc., people in Skype-land even, are going to be able to take this material and apply it into their day to day realities in many ways that I think and I hope is going to inspire everybody.

So coming in the next, well certainly 2009 I think, is going to be the big year in the explosion for it as people begin to realize just what an incredible set of resources they have on the inside that really has remained untapped.  And as we move past the traditional approaches, we’re going to find that, these new, perspectives coming out of “CMI” and through Kris are absolutely going to accelerate it as a catalyst to the next level.

SERGE:  And just to make certain everybody understands, when we speak of “CMI” it’s the Consciousness Mentoring Institute that Kris has basically suggested last September, a year ago.

ROBERT: Right.

MARK: Yeah, we’re well into Phase Two out of three phases. In fact, we should be finishing up Phase Two in late January, I believe, maybe early February. So that’s been, yeah, a year and a half, two years.  If you want more information on the CMI you can go to the Consciousness … or just consciousnessmentoring.com and … [Interrupted].

SERGE: I couldn’t, I couldn’t get the just the initials “CMI”.  It was taken.  [Referring to the web address.]

MARK: ANY initials are long gone.

ROBERT: And if you’re coming from a scientific background go to harvardinstituteofhypnosis.com.

SERGE: Yep.

ROBERT: Either way will get you connected with all the fine people on this side of the microphone and hopefully we’ll either accelerate your interest or kick one off.  And maybe just as an aside, we talk a lot about hypnosis but, just so we all have a shared understanding of it, when we say hypnosis we mean trance, the various trances that we’re in multiple times in a day, during our sleep, as we create reality.  And so if you think of hypnosis as really trance states and communication, then we’ll all pretty much be in a sort of shared definition of that.  And having said that . . .

KRIS: Indeed.  We trust that you are comfortable.  And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And what better means of demonstrating trance apart from talking about it.  Now it is said that individuals come in and out of trance states all day, or that there are parts of the day that individuals find themselves in a trance.  But if truth be told, there is “one” state of trance, referred to as existence.

ROBERT: Absolutely.

KRIS: How you demonstrate, manifest and utilize that state, “existence”, is played out in a variety of fluctuations though it may appear that you go in and out of multiple types of trance states all day long.  But they are variations on a theme, period.  That alone should stimulate everyone into recognizing just what kind of potential that they have at their disposal that may truly be “untapped”.  Trance states each carry their specific signatures, meaning they each can demonstrate certain abilities, for lack of a better word.  And by that specific recognition an individual can truly mine all of the treasures and resources that are in abundance, and physical abundance, emotional abundance, abundance of any kind are merely, we could say, side effects.  They grow out of the main state.  Does that make sense to you?

ROBERT: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: And it is fine to engage in metaphysical groups of discussions, and so on and so forth, where you can mentally tinker with these ideas.  But it is another thing altogether to actually dive into that ocean of existence and recognize that you cannot only swim, but that you are an Olympic swimmer at that.  The capacities are innate.  But it does require a catalyst.

For instance, you could say it is natural for Michael Phelps to be an Olympic gold medal swimmer.  That capacity was there, but it had to be nurtured.  And for all intents and purposes, your capacities to utilize, in a practical and pragmatic manner, all of the qualities that are in the various demonstrations of trance, can utilize nurturing.  Of that, there is no doubt.  As your world situation demonstrates you are using those capacities beautifully so, but are they particularly advantageous?  The answer is no, unless, of course, you are working on a degree in market crashes.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Thus you do utilize that potential very well, but it can definitely utilize a polishing.  Would you say so?  And by the way, welcome to our little piece of the world.

ROBERT: Thanks, Kris.  Yeah, if I could just maybe kick that off  in economy fear or the fear reaction to economy right now. One of the things that we cover in the Harvard curriculum is, the common trances people often find themselves in, is the trance of fear and how prolific and overwhelming it can almost be.  And yet part of the work in hypnosis is the ability to shift states, or between states, so that you can find a trance state that is more useful than the one you find yourself in.  And I’m hoping tonight, you can maybe share with us how to shift into even higher states to create better realities for ourselves.

KRIS: Indeed.  And it may not require a great deal of experience or practice to actually recognize how easily an individual slips in and out of various states.  If the average individual takes the time, the few moments, even the seconds it takes to go from one trance-state to another, the recognition can be made easily.  And a very practical approach in that area is to notice where your mind is at, where your awareness is at, what you are focused upon.  If you are, say, walking about minding your own business and then you step into an elevator.  The patterns may be completely transparent.  You might not notice initially what happens to your awareness, but if you do begin to notice you will see that you go into an Alpha or altered state, quite different from what you were in a moment ago.  You may, like everyone else, look at the top above the elevator door and begin to focus upon the numbers.  You may step into the elevator, and though your, the floor you are heading for is already pressed and lit you will automatically hit it again, as if you did not hit it, it would not go there.  So these are very spontaneous, automatic patterns.  But if you take the moment necessary to recognize that, and instead of voluntarily slipping into that state, make a concerted effort to entertain something entirely different in your mind, even one where you simply consciously observe the goings on in the elevator, might make a sufficient difference to alert you to the pattern that you tried to kick in, and did not.  Do you follow?

ROBERT: Yes.

KRIS: So that can trigger sufficient awareness of how easily you slip in and out of various trance states at a moment’s notice.  In terms of the economy, you may not notice that you can easily slip into the worries and the fear mongering that is propagated by the media, by the banks, financial institutions of other kinds, your neighbors, your parents, your children and everybody else, as if  – if you did not worry about the economy as it is now, it would fall apart. But it may be precisely because you all worry so much that it already is falling apart, and it cannot avoid that situation.  How can it avoid literally being flushed down the toilet?  We would have used the older English expression but the toilet is sufficient.  And why does it do that?  Because it has to conform to your attitudes, your expectations what you concentrate upon and so on and so forth.  It reflects your attitude, your consciousness, your trance, period.  If you collectively shifted that trance state to one of prosperity, then overnight the economy would seem to stabilize and literally fix itself.  You cannot fix the economy by pumping in seven hundred million, or billion, or trillion dollars, expecting that it will, by that action, stabilize, if you do not fix the minds of those who are generating the economy in the first place.  Do you follow?

RICHARD: Absolutely.  The market is really a reflection of the psychology of the people involved with it.

KRIS: Indeed.  It cannot be otherwise.  So our simple observation to everyone that can hear us now, that can hear us later, or that may never hear our physical voice is to change the channel.  Not this channel, of course.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Don’t touch that dial.

KRIS: As the saying goes, put the remote down and step away from the television.  Thus if you change the channel of the trance that you are in, collectively, then the economy will reflect your new perspective.  It must abide by your perceptions.  It cannot do otherwise.  So it is not the government’s fault.  It is not the fault of the shysters and the crooks.  Everyone plays a part.  And it is a reflection of your need to understand yourselves and how you do this.  The time is long past to blame others for what you concentrate upon.  The media is simply reflecting back to you your own fears on the subject matter.  And it is an enabler, as you enable the media.  So you are indeed in a triple bind.  And you can step out of the hamster wheel simply by stopping what you are doing and begin to concentrate on prosperity.

Prosperity is not a pretty word.  It is not a word that belongs to the New Age.  It is simply an expression of a different trance.  A trance of prosperity means that everything flows freely without restriction, be that health, wealth, happiness or otherwise.  Does that make sense to you?

RICHARD: Yes.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: There are no restrictions, no incongruencies, or so few that you can work these out.  Right now you are in an opposing trance.  And as a result, you are paying literally through the nose.  Do you follow?  [Response:  Yes.]

You may ask also, “What does this have to do with hypnosis and our guest?”  How would you reinterpret that?

RICHARD: Simply by one phrase that unfortunately many of us heard as children, which was, “Be careful what you wish for.”  And while the intention was perhaps positive, I think what people did instead was they stopped wishing.  And if you have the ability to create reality by making wishes, then it simply means you need to use hypnosis or any other tool to make sure that what you’re wishing for, is the way you’d like it to show up.

KRIS: Indeed.  Thus it is indeed up to you entirely to get what you wish for.  And no one can hand that on a silver platter to you.  But you may hand it to yourself.  Do you have any other inquiries?

ROBERT: Why is it then, Kris, that so many people limit themselves unconsciously, consciously, in the choices we make, the trance states we create, to experience less than the prosperity trance, almost as if it seems there is nothing we can do about it or it’s part of the condition which we find ourselves in?  I mean, theoretically everyone listening either accepts or perhaps is trying to live the way we all believe it’s possible.  But why do so many people have so many challenges getting past that?

KRIS: You did use the word “condition”.  However, if you add three letters you will find why.  “Conditioning”.  So one generation conditions the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, to concentrate on “not having”.  Whether it is through religious indoctrination or otherwise, the point is that you have all been very nicely trained, as if there is a virtue inherent in refuting, refusing and negating prosperity.  Does that seem to make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

ROBERT: It, unfortunately, it does.  Now we need to get past it.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now such conditioning need not be logical at all, though it creates its own loop of logic.  However, such conditioning can also be broken or transformed so that you can begin to actually live the life you want, have the experiences you desire, and again experience health, wealth and happiness.  The materials, the tools, the resources are exactly the same that are utilized to create the un-resourceful states.  How they are utilized is a different matter altogether.  But we have suggested in the past that you have a conscious mind for a very powerful reason.  It is the “concentrator”, if you wish.  It is through the instrument of your conscious mind that you magnify your inner actions, the contents of your neo-conscious mind.  Do you recall that?

JOHN: Absolutely.  Yes.  The conscious mind is the, the  . . . what is it? The other one is the Maker . . . it’s the Chooser. Yes, yeah, it’s the captain of the ship that somebody’s got to make a choice about which direction to go.

KRIS: Indeed.  So if the captain of the ship bases his trajectory on old wives’ tales and ancient lore, that if you go so far out to sea you will drop off the edge of the world, you will meet sea monsters and mermaids and so on and so forth, incredibly horrendous creatures of the depths, then what captain in his or her right mind would want to go on the high seas of adventure?

JOHN: No, you may as well stay in port if that’s what’s out there.

KRIS: Indeed.  Then yet a port is not meant to keep ships.  It is simply to harbor them.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Thus utilizing those very same principles that you use to dig yourselves into a hole in the ground, you can utilize to get out of that hole.  As a hypnotherapist and teacher of hypnosis, what advice would you have?

ROBERT: Focus on what you want.  And I think that’s one of the chief things that we see with clients is, asking a client what they want, the first thing is we either get a list of things they don’t want to experience, which is that trance of “lack of prosperity”, or they honestly don’t know.  And so the advice I would give myself and everybody is really focus on what you want.  Make a list so that you know what it looks like when it shows up, and then make a plan to go get it.

KRIS: Indeed.  And they key word is a list of what you want.  Far too many people are bent on making long lists of what they do not want.  And not only do they continue experiencing what they do not want, they eventually become themselves, the very thing they do not want to become because it is the object of concentration.  And it can become just as real as what you do want.  And it is our humble opinion that most individuals, given a choice, would want to be what they want not what they do not want.

ROBERT: Yes, given the choice is the key phrase.  And I think many of us pretend that we don’t have that choice.

KRIS: And this is an area of much work, to be able to demonstrate through simple means how it is a matter of choice.

ROBERT: Choice and responsibility.

KRIS: That may indeed be the key.  Responsibility means, in so many words, the ability to respond, and you could say in brackets “to consciousness, to perception”, is a powerful thing indeed.  And some individuals might be tempted to want to stay in the sandbox they know lest they do not get what they want than to venture into the sandbox they do not know and actually get what they want.  It is a matter of playing in the sandbox of your trance state.

The child does not know that the castle he makes with his little pail and shovel in the sandbox is not a real castle.  It is, in his mind, a truly great castle, a castle of fairy tale proportion.  And that is where his or her imagination begins to take flights of fancy until someone comes along and says, “It’s all in your head little one.  None of that is real.  Get used to the world.  It is cold, cruel and merciless.”  And that begins to establish a particular state of reference.  Even that kind of conditioning can be reversed.

And the fear trances of the world literally can be put aside, kept for another day, a day best called tomorrow, since you know tomorrow never comes.  And as we have suggested many times, the present is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future.  What you do, what you concentrate upon now, literally creates what you experience in the past and what you experience in the future.  So it is to your advantage to create a trance state that is filled with treasure and surprise and happiness and health and wealth that goes as much into the future as it does into the past.

ROBERT: Actually, in fact, would you say that it’s true that people are already doing that process of putting the fear off to tomorrow, except what they’re putting off is the goodness and the prosperity?  It’s almost as if there’s a belief that we don’t have to take care of the good things in life because they’ll take care of themselves.  And that frees people up to be totally committed to their trance state of only dealing with the crap that’s going on in their life.  Whereas if they would only take the opposite . . .

KRIS: And unfortunately that is exactly the point.  If all you concentrate on is dealing with less desirable elements of your life, what do you think you will get more of?  Less and less desirable elements.  It cannot go the other way around.  You cannot worry yourself into health.  That has never happened and it will never happen.

ROBERT: But you can play your way into prosperity.

KRIS: Play being fun.

ROBERT: Absolutely.

KRIS: And fun is the key word in all things.  If you notice there is one thing that is completely absent in states of fear – fun.  There is no fun in it.  But states of prosperity are filled with fun, curiosity and adventure.  Now, do you wish a break at this point?

MARK: Sure, why not.

KRIS: Indeed.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Production.  My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins, Serge Grandbois, Robert Doyle and Alan Aspinall out there in Skype-land.

SERGE: How’s it going out there, Alan?

ALAN: He, it’s still goin’ well.

JOHN: So, Alan, the boys were tellin’ me here that you’ve, you’ve had some training in, this kind of stuff as well.  Are you not an NLP guy?

ALAN: Yeah.  I studied with John and Richard back in the early 80′s.  And spend, I don’t know, ten or more years kind of perfecting those skills, and sort of went on from there.

JOHN: Uh-huh.  Interesting.

MARK: Was that Bandler and Grindler?

ROBERT: Yeah.  Yeah, you’d be really lucky, Alan.  You’d get to experience Richard’s subtlety first hand.

ALAN: [Laughing.]  Oh, subtlety, yeah.

ROBERT: If there was ever a guy . . .

ALAN: And actually . . .

ROBERT: Sorry, Alan.  If there was ever a guy in therapy that was creative and loves to have fun and experiment, it’s Richard.  And if you haven’t read any Richard Bandler, those of us in radio land, find a book out.  Maybe one of the easier one’s would be “Using Your Brain for a Change and Keeping the Change“.  Great book.  Lots of fun.  Richard is an absolute gem.  And if you’ve, if he serves as your introduction to hypnosis you’d be on great footing.  The only second best place would be, come take a class at the Harvard Institute of Hypnosis.

[Laughter.]

MARK: I second that one.

ALAN: There you go.  There you go.

MARK: Any comments . . .

ALAN: Well you know I was thinking, you guys were, when Kris was talking I was thinking about to use the metaphor of the outhouse.  It’s one thing to be in an outhouse and recognize that you’re in a particular kind of a trance state and one that’s not especially pleasant. And that’s all well and good.  But I think for most people the hard part is you know, visualizing a rose bush and taking a deep breath and guess what you’re gonna’ be smelling.  It isn’t gonna’ be the rose bush.  And there’s still a big, big hurdle to overcome to change your present state to your desired state, particularly when your desired state is so overwhelming.  An old friend of mine always kept a plaque above his desk that said, “It’s easy to forget when you’re up to your ass in alligators that your original intention was to drain the swamp.”  And I think still, for most people and I know for me, it is very, very difficult, even recognizing all of these things that Kris is talking about, to change a present state that seems to be very negative or very unwanted, for something else, because the “something else” seems to fly in the face of your overwhelming, sensory based information.

ROBERT: Yeah.  That’s very true, Alan.  And I think one of the things that helps people get past that, or at least they can try to see if it helps getting them past it, is rather than focusing on how bad it is and contemplating how much worse it could get, is to ask yourself how you could make it better.  And because, the “how” question is that, is that structured outcome that takes you out of the present state without denying it, which we see in the New Age circles.  Too many people attempt to deny reality by just pretending it’s going to go away and they’ll wake up tomorrow and it’s all gone, or they have to just sit on their couch and wait for the Brink’s truck to show up.  As Kris always says, you really need to get into the action potential of reality through that concentrated focus of attention on what you want.  And so even though unpleasant things are happening, if you bear in mind, “How can I get out of this?” your mind will solve those problems for you.

KRIS: And in that we would unanimously be in agreement with.  The more one struggles to understand the differences between the state that is depriving them of what they want and the state that they want to have as an experience, may seem like worlds apart, dimensions apart even.  Sometimes even having the impression that it is an impossible task to accomplish because all of the sensory feedback is based upon the one experience they do not want to have.  Everything seems to reflect back that of course the unwanted state is the hard-core reality at this moment.  And how can anything else be real than what you have now? That is the key here, is that your senses are pretty liars.  They do not reflect the truth back.  They simply reflect what you concentrate upon.

The truth is your ability to concentrate and who you are.  Once you can direct the attention of your mind to this unique fact, then you can begin to steer the ship instead of having the ship steer you.  We believe in some other circles, you call that “the tail wagging the dog”.

[Laughter.]

ROBERT: It’s what other cultures would have called “seeing past the veil of illusion”.

KRIS: Indeed.  And as we have suggested in other discussions, it is not reality that is an illusion it is the thinking that is the illusion.  Reality cannot be illusory or not illusory.  It simply is a reflection.  Does that make sense to you?

ROBERT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Do you have any other comments or observations in Skype-land?

ALAN: No, nothing right at the moment, Kris.  I think everyone’s pretty well entranced, pardon the expression.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Indeed.  And other comments or observations or mentions on your part here?  Please feel free.

ROBERT: Well I think it’s interesting that when we find ourselves in situations that we really don’t enjoy, that if we look back in our history we probably wouldn’t have believed that it would be possible for us to create those circumstances.  And yet somehow, through sheer act of will, focus and serendipity, I suppose, we managed to create those things.  And if we can create those things then maybe we should just challenge ourselves to create better.

KRIS: Indeed.  Unfortunately the idea of blaming it on the devil simply no longer sticks.  It is a pretty scapegoat, but one that has definitely gone past its expiration date.

ROBERT: Yeah.  In the class we’ve been talking about one thing with one of the guys, I guess this last weekend.  We basically said that some of the constraints, or apparent constraints of reality, are really the training wheels that are necessary as we learn to master our creative skills.  And that through hypnosis, self-discipline, responsibility and the material that you’re teaching, that maybe we can throw those training wheels off a lot sooner so that we can then begin creating more magnificently, much, much sooner.

KRIS: Indeed.  It is far easier to eventually leave the states of fear behind than you have ever imagined.  The more you become fearful of such situations, the more you hang on to that which is truly harming you.  No state of fear has ever given off as a result, anything that leads to health, wealth or happiness.  If you find such a state then by all means put it on eBay right away.  Mental states and shifting your perception to states of health, wealth and happiness will give you that, not the other way around.  Focusing on fear and expecting that suddenly, miraculously, health, wealth and happiness will flow from your fear, as it is said, is perhaps easier than pigs fly.  That will take a long time.  Even your geneticists are not that clever.  Focusing upon states of health, wealth and happiness will bring you that.  Obviously then, focusing upon the idea the economy is failing, the world is coming apart at the seams, is not going to bring you what you desire.

ROBERT: And yet we’re still living in the same physical world.  I mean everyone who has those fears can look around and there’s still food on the table, there’s still a roof over your head, there’s still, you know, reality is unfolding.

KRIS: Indeed.  The only difference is the state of mind.

ROBERT: And whether or not they can enjoy it.

KRIS: You are not supposed to be enjoying yourself in a recession or a depression.  You are supposed to act in a very specific way.  That way only leads to more of the same.

ROBERT: So reality conforms to beliefs, and if we’re not supposed to enjoy ourselves in a recession then if we do enjoy ourselves, then perhaps recession has to leave to conform to our reality.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now if you wanted some expedited ways to leave behind those states you do not want to be in, our primary suggestion is to cut off all media.  Stop reading the newspapers, listening to the radio or television shows that focus on nothing but the apparent crumbling of the economy and of the world going to hell in a hand-basket.

MARK: But we so enjoy laughing at Sarah Palin.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: We dare not comment at this point.

ROBERT: So if there’s anyone out in Skype-land who has the capacity, please start the Good News newspaper.  You’ll have a number of subscribers immediately.

KRIS: This does bring an interesting point up – the original meaning of “the good news”.  The word “gospel” . . .

ROBERT: Gospels, yeah.

KRIS: . . . was meant to bring you the good news that it is possible to free yourselves from the constraints of fear, mainly the news that you can live in a state other than the Roman armies imposition.  How that has become a religious institution is as good a guess as anyone’s.  So take the time to exercise your choice.  It is possible for you to stop reading the newspapers, stop listening to the Tele, the radio shows, and anything that smacks of the present world situation.  And we can guarantee you, in a short amount of time, things in your perception will begin to reflect those new states that you are wanting.  If no one reads the papers they will have to print something that reflects an attractive carrot.  If no one listens to the radio or watches the television every time some catastrophic news about the economy comes on you shut the Tele, they will get the message.  They will have to create what you want, because it is what you want.  Does that make sense to you?  [Several affirmative responses.]

We are not advocating a boycott.  But we are advocating that you have a choice.  You can be like a lemming or you can be your own individual.  Any other comments?  Please feel free.

ROBERT: So rather than read the news that’s fear mongering, you can read the wonderful material that’s on the CMI site.

KRIS: Indeed.  You can also peruse the plentiful materials on the krischronicles.com.

MARK: Or the krischronicles.com/forum.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: And you can also avail yourself of the dream book.

[MARK'S NOTES: I highly recommend WISP Ezine. http://wisp.focusphere.net/]

JOHN: What comes to my mind, Kris, is a wonderful way to decide whether or not you’re going to enjoy media.  This is from Ester Hicks actually.  And she says that, within a minute or two of watching a program on TV she can tell by the music whether or not she wants to watch it.  And I’ve actually taken that to heart.  And sometimes, if I’m watching a . . . Normally I like kind of adventurous, exciting shows.  But every once in a while they go into a chase scene or a suspense scene and the music starts to get really crazy.  Well I’ve learned a little trick.  If you just . . . You don’t have to turn the TV off.  If you just turn the music . . . mute it.  Then you can still enjoy the, the advancement of the plot but it doesn’t grip you the way it does with the music on.

KRIS: It can be very good advice.

MARK: So I should watch the news with it on mute?

JOHN: [Laughing.]  Yeah.

ROBERT: Oh, absolutely.  And make them political debates – so much more fun.  Because if you get a bunch of friends over, you supply your own sound track, it’s hilarious.  Doesn’t really change anything but you’re inner reality really enjoys it much more.

KRIS: Indeed you can transpose “Young Frankenstein” over any political debate and have far more pleasure.

ALAN: You know I might pipe up here and say that one of the things that Bandler and Grinder often had us do in NLP was to turn on a televangelist and turn off the sound and notice that what the televangelist was doing was actually communicating a very effective state of trance.  And you’d be able to notice that more rapidly when you took the sound out of the way.

ROBERT: Yeah.  And if you have an NLP background you can read people’s states of truthfulness or otherwise.  Watching the Clinton impeachment process was very entertaining.

ALAN: Or the O. J. Simpson trial.

ROBERT: Yeah.  I see it in the mirror on occasion myself.

JOHN: Well what’s netting out for me learning about hypnosis and about what Kris has been talking about for some time now, I have expressed it in the term “mobility of consciousness”.  And what, the skill that I’m in the process of developing . . . Let’s take for instance the example that Alan gave of being in the outhouse of your life, right, surrounded by the funk of that.  And what I have found is that, never mind denying it.  But if I can take a nice deep breath of that funkiness with some curiosity and fun, and a little bit of flexibility and mobility of consciousness, I can convince myself that hidden in there is a tiny, tiny whiff of a rose bush.  And that turns the corner.

ROBERT: And John, that whiff of a rosebush becomes even more tantalizing when you find yourself in the outhouse of your life and you get an eviction notice.  And then it’s even worse than it was a few moments ago.  And then all of a sudden you found out they delivered the notice to the wrong outhouse.  And you go back to your outhouse and now you think it’s Heaven.

[John laughs.]

ROBERT: So perspective is really a powerful thing and you have that choice all the time.

JOHN: That’s true.

KRIS: And as you have pointed out, discovering how mobile and flexible your consciousness is, is truly a gift that you can give to yourself.  Without that recognition it is difficult to move through time and space as a human being.  But when you do recognize it then your experiences and their flexibility flow so much more easily.  That is the whole point.  Whether you take hypnosis, NLP, materials from the CMI, or anything else, the point is that your consciousness is extremely flexible and you can use that to your advantage.  Now do you have any last comments or questions?  Or we can simply turn the rest of this wonderful production over to your capable hands and minds.

MARK: Alan, anything on your end?

ALAN: Well we just . . . I do have one question that’s been posted.  And I know we’ve touched on it before but I think it’s relevant in the sense that if you’re at spot A and you want to be at position B, position B does seem a lot like a fantasy.  It is something that isn’t real in your world.  And the question is basically, how do you know when you go too far in this, you know, if the fantasy makes you feel good then is it actually taking you toward making that into reality or, you know, . . . where’s the line that you draw between just a, a fantastical daydream and an imaginary thing that will actually take you in the direction of what you want?

ROBERT: From my perspective, Alan, it would be whatever actions you’re taking to bring that probability into physical reality.  Sitting on the couch or behind the computer, or whatever we do, and just keep dreaming of how wonderful it could be, is also a reminder that we haven’t made it real yet.  And what makes things real is, is the action quotient.  Bringing it into the physical world at that nexus point between possibility and reality, as we call reality, takes action.  And that’s what the conscious mind does.  It concentrates things so that we can distill that essence into a physical form.  But that really takes action and continued belief in yourself that you can get there.

KRIS: Indeed.  And as a continuation of that, if your fantasy situation, point B, your destination, is to develop powers of Superman, then may we recommend that you shift that to something a little more practical.  And with that, we leave you to the capable hands of these incredible individuals.  And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris.

ROBERT: Thanks, Kris.

ALAN: Thank you, Kris.

END OF SHOW

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