RBD: Inquiries: Needs vs. Wants

October 30, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 30, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Show here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I had trouble spitting that line out. [Laughter.] I’m so used to The Kris Radio Show. Anyway, I am sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Yes, thank you, Mark. And you did have a little . . . but you know that makes you human, right? I mean, you’re always . . . you come in with such wonderful energy. And of course, we have our friend, Serge.

SERGE: Thank you, John. Thank you, Mark. And yes, it’s actually very nice even weather-wise around here. A little cool, but tomorrow, warm up…Great for Halloweenie.

MARK: Happy Halloween. Do we have Skype yet? Alan?

ALAN: Yeah, I’m here guys.

MARK: Hey.

SERGE: Hey there.

ALAN: Hey, congratulations on the new show. [Laugher.] Just wanted to . . . [laughing] . . . just wanted to pass along that anybody listening that’s not on the Skype chat can send me a contact request under the name marklinalan and I can add them into the chat.

SERGE: And we can also post that on the website at some point.

MARK: Absolutely. Absolutely.

ALAN: Yeah, and the other thing we’re suggesting in the chat room is that people begin to make contributions to you guys to keep this show on the air. We’re telling them it’s kinda’ like Public Radio thing, that the ads, you know, the ads don’t carry the day.

SERGE: This is the metaphysical version of PBS.

[Laughter.]

ALAN: Yes, that’s it.

SERGE: The only thing is there’s no . . . we don’t have twenty different phone lines.

[Mark laughs.]

ALAN: But I think they could easily go to the donation tab on your website and . . .

SERGE: Oh, yeah.

ALAN: . . . and make a contribution every month to keep this goin’.

MARK: We’ll go for break and we won’t come back until we’ve reached that ten-thousand-dollar mark.

[Laughter.]

ALAN: Yeah, there you go.

JOHN: Well you know it’s funny, because when I first started in on this radio show, I . . . of course my background, my father owned a radio station in my youth. And that was the old-style radio station where basically, if you were gonna’ have a show, they paid you.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: I know. It’s a funny thought, eh? But the funny . . . [Interrupted]

SERGE: Those are fairy tales.

JOHN: [Laughing.] No, that’s the way it used to work. But the funny thing is that, because this is a, a very new, a new way of . . .

MARK: Media.

JOHN: . . . kind of community television kind of thing, it actually costs money to be, on the radio. Which is interesting.

MARK: So we do apprec . . .[Interrupted]

ALAN: Did you say this is a new “medium”?

[Laughter.]

JOHN: I think I may have said that.

MARK: I actually said “media”. But yeah, you’re right.

ALAN: Okay.

SERGE: Just to give you an idea, about one or two weeks ago I was approached by an American company who has an internet radio show. They have different functions on it. And you know, they gave me some of their stats and some of their. . ..what do you call that, connections or their monthly stats or whatever? And so I was waiting for the shoe to drop.

MARK: They had a lot of hits. They had millions.

SERGE: They, they claimed they had two million listeners every month all over the world. And so my, of course, curious nature is, “Okay. I want the shoe to drop and drop it now.”

MARK: And it comes with an executive producer.

SERGE: Was . . . well yes, they provide you with so many different things to really promote your show. And I said, “Okay. How much?” Thirteen weeks as your trial period, I think it was sixty seven hundred dollars, twenty-four weeks, something like ten thousand dollars US. I said, “Well, thank you. My people will be contacting your people soon.” [Laughing.]

MARK: Not.

SERGE: And it was very nice . . .

ALAN: Hey, you can take that out of book receipts.

MARK: [Laughing.] Yeah, we’ll have our “dead guy” call your . . .

SERGE: Yeah, our “dead guy’s” gonna’ call your “dead guy”.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Oh yeah. We laughed hysterically over that.

SERGE: I mean, I appreciate where they’re coming from, but right now it’s not at a point in our story where we can script that in.

JOHN: Well not only that, but whatever happened to selling advertising and paying your talent? Anyway.

SERGE: It works the other way around. You pay to be on a show and you pay to listen to other people’s advertisements on your show.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: But as John and I were talking about just before we came on the air, our new title is “Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Show”, which would seem to suggest that there might be more.

JOHN: Other radio shows, yes.

MARK: Possibly TV. Whoa.

SERGE: Maybe he’ll, maybe Kris will get his star on the Walk of Fame, right beside Judge Judy.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: We actually, when we were in California a year and a half ago, we saw Judge Judy get her star . . .

JOHN: Oh, did you?

SERGE: . . . on the walk. Yeah. She’s like five, no, she’s like four-foot-four, maybe five. Very small woman.

JOHN: Oh, she’s great. I like her.

SERGE: Well, she’s got a lot of chutzpah.

JOHN: Yeah, she’s earned it.

MARK: Something else that I would like to bring up is that I’ve been working a little bit on the Kris Chronicles website, www.krischronicles.com. And I’ve added a little button that says KRIS 101. And basically that page, which is just in its very early stages, is a direct copy from a page, “Who Is Kris”, on yourfaithfulreporter.com with, from John here. And, I haven’t brought the images over yet. I will be doing that. But, this is a work in progress. I’d like to expand upon this, have the sections click-able, and expand more of Kris’ mandate, for instance, and what he’s all about, and what his intent is and so on and so forth. But the whole purpose is, it would give new visitors or . . .

SERGE: Newcomers to the website.

MARK: People that are new to channeling, as well as new to Kris, a place to go to play “catch up” and bring them up to speed where they can jump in to the rest of the website without feeling lost. And this is all, obviously, to bring in new people, and get more and more people paying attention to Kris.

JOHN: Yeah, I think the way I think about that, Mark, is . . . You know how Brahm is always talking about “bridge energy”, right?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Well the thing about a bridge is, it starts where you are on your side of the river . . .
MARK: Yes.

JOHN: . . . and it takes you up and over, and it deposits you where you want to go on the other side of the river.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: And so, if we’ve got a bridge that takes a person from where they’re at, to a place where they’re comfortable exploring the Kris Materials themselves, I think that’s a good metaphor.

MARK: Absolutely. And I think Serge and I are at a point where we’re ready to grow again. We’re ready to start expanding even more. And here, another bridge right here in my hand is “Kris Chronicles: Discourses on Dreams Volume 1″. And again, that’s available through our website www.krischronicles.com or www.authorhouse.com and Amazon.com. That just came out on the market last week and it’s doing very well.

SERGE: Yeah. There are people even mentioning that they’ll buy four or five copies as Christmas gifts to friends and relatives.

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: That’s kind of neat.

MARK: I know there are people in Europe that already have it.

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: Well you know the nice thing about this book is that everybody dreams. I mean, everybody on the planet dreams whether they remember it or not. And the material in this book . . . If you’ve ever bought a dream book, you know, dream symbols, this is what a dog means . . . This is an altogether different level of understanding of our potential in dreams. And I heartily recommend it.

MARK: Absolutely. Dream . . . or sorry, language, words, the spoken word, as Kris tells me in this book, is a direct result of people wanting to communicate their dreams with each other. That’s kind of an interesting little tidbit.

JOHN: So you mean, the developing language came from people wanting to share their dreams?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Well that’s very interesting. And you know, it makes sense, because you can talk, you can point at a tree, you know . . .

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: . . . but how can you point at your dream?

MARK: [Laughing.] It’s right there. It’s right there. I’m pointing at my forehead here.

[Laughter.]

ALAN: Up to that it was all grunt and point.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: That’s very interesting.

SERGE: What if I open my head to show you the trees or the pictures in there? It hurts. Maybe that’s where the original open-brain surgery came from.

MARK: One little mention I have here is that this coming Sunday, we’re setting the clocks back in Canada and many places throughout the United States. So this is very important for people that are connecting with us through Skype, through the International Sessions or the “Change the World”, and so on and so forth, that . . . The last “Change the World”, people missed the show by an hour because . . .

SERGE: In Europe . . .

MARK: they had changed the clocks in Europe and not here and they didn’t . . . weren’t ready for that. So just giving everybody a “heads up” that Sunday night here in Canada we are setting our clocks back.

JOHN: Oh, good thought.

MARK: Do the appropriate math.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: And one last shout out, I just want to say Happy Birthday to Andrea. Her birthday is tomorrow, on Halloween.

JOHN: Oh, really?

MARK: Andrea is pregnant and she’s ten days overdue. And I suspect the baby’s waiting for her birthday.

JOHN: We might have a Halloween baby.

MARK: Yep. Again.

KRIS: Indeed we take it that tomorrow is a candy day, Halloween. Therefore “BOO”.

MARK: [Laughing.] It’s also “dead guy” day.

JOHN: That’s true.

KRIS: Now before we proceed we would like to mention, in keeping with the new theme of this show, or production, we would encourage anyone, and as many people as you can imagine, to join the Skype or to send in some questions, as we intend it to be the first official of “once a month” open night.

MARK: Oh nice. Sweet.

KRIS: And questions that do not get addressed in one show do not necessarily get bumped up for the next month. So keep that in mind. Otherwise you might have such a backlog as to not be able to cover any questions.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: So we anticipate your inquiries, well thought out, formulated and interesting inquiries.

MARK: So that would start next week.

KRIS: Indeed. These kinds of inquiries and this kind of production … this radio show is not meant as a means to sneak in some private sessions. Good clear inquiries may be generalized in order to address as many people’s situations as possible. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yep. Absolutely.

KRIS: Indeed. As well, whether it be this day, next week or a week after, we would like to address specifics concerning situations in the worldwide economies. There are many individuals who have a great deal of fear at this point in time. You may have been keeping track in some ways. Big companies, multi-nationals laying-off thousands of people, increasing the ranks of what you call a recession. And this plays on an individual’s own fears. So we may be offering some information to make certain that your fears do not carry you away, that you do not become obsessive in that area.

This simply means change, both individually and massively. And the more ready you are for change, meaning the more flexible you are, the easier it is to engage those transitions you create for yourselves. Whether you believe that you have not done so consciously or not, is besides the point. Does that also make sense?

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Indeed. Now just a quick question. What if somebody wanted to ask a question for next week on the economy? Should they hold that in thinking that you’re going to be doing like a show on it? Or is that fair game?

KRIS: They can process the inquiry. And at that moment we may even select it as a launching point for the following presentation.

JOHN: Okay. ‘Cause I’m sure there’s lots of people with lots of questions about that.

KRIS: Indeed. Now there are likely a variety of topics to choose from this evening. One of those topics is, “What do inquiring minds want to know?” as opposed to, “What do inquiring minds need to know?” And we say it this way to make a clear distinction. And we have always preferred to direct information to that which is practical, applicable and in the “here and now”. Though we have at times spoken about possibilities and probabilities, it is our observation that answers to inquiries that are focused in the “here and now”, in a practical and applicable manner may indeed bear far more harvest than those inquiries that can go on interminable tangents that may never have any substance and proof in a practical way in your living world.

And there are many kinds of inquiries along those lines. And there are indeed many individuals who would focus a great deal more on asking and talking and philosophizing about such things as, “Can we fly?” Indeed, in exactly that way. Or, “Since this is all about conscious creation, why can I not simply consciously will it that I can walk across the oceans instead of having to pay exorbitant fees to fly?” And amazingly enough, there are often great lengthy debates that in other times would have been qualified under the heading of, “Are there one thousand angels dancing on the head of a pin, or are there one thousand and one angels dancing on the head of a pin?” With great energy being expanded as to getting the correct answer on such a subject matter, as if civilizations themselves hinge upon the correct answer, that the course of history itself may change if one group or the other is correct, depending upon the answer. Does that make any sense to you?

JOHN: No, none whatsoever.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: That’s sort of the difference between information and knowledge.

KRIS: In many respects. And not that, inquiries about such possibilities are discounted. But we do want to make certain that inquiries on such topics are put in their own context and do not overshadow those issues that might actually prove truly life changing. Because at the, how do you say, at the end of the day, whether it is philosophically possible for you to fly may not change your life one iota. But what you can do with your present life “now” will change that life. Do you understand or position?

JOHN: Absolutely. And if I may,

KRIS: Indeed, you may.

JOHN: You are a free being, Kris. And you get to talk to us about anything you want.

KRIS: Of that we are aware. But are you aware that you are free being as well.

JOHN: Increasingly so.

KRIS: And that is far greater of concern to us than anything else, that you understand and appreciate the nature of your being, including its freedoms of expression. It can easily be said that any of your highest ideals of Democracy, as far reaching in potential as possible, are actually the source of the various systems of Democracy in your world. They are modeled upon that psychological ideal, that you are a freethinking individual. And as a result, you would see others, including other life forms, in the same light. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: What say you in Skype-land concerning being a freethinking individual?

ALAN: Well in light of your earlier comments, I would point out that this is called “Reality By Design” and not “Unreality By Design”.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: I think the, I think people do have questions about when you get into the whole idea of, “Well just exactly what inquires, inquiries have to do with the real world?” I think they still want to know whether or not this real world, should be fun or should be, you know, going for material things, or taking care of responsibilities. And you know, just where does the line draw maybe between just having fun and going off into unreality.

KRIS: Indeed a very well taken position and in line with the intent we are presenting for this new ship of consciousness. And no, we do not call it Good Ship Lollipop. It is important to understand the various distinctions, and therefore boundaries, in which you express your being. And it can be all right to discuss whether it is possible for you to fly or for you to walk through walls, or walk through water, or simply step out onto the street in the middle of a freeway and simply because you have the belief that you could be invincible, would you be invincible. Do you follow so far?

KRIS: Indeed, everyone has the freedom to discuss these issues. But at the end of the day, it may be far more practical and expedient for the individual to recognize that these particular issues have their own realms of discussions and at some point, need not preempt that which you need to explore in yourself, up to and including recognizing and appreciating those aspects of self that merit attention for your own growth and awareness. Because at the end of the day, whether there are a thousand or a thousand and one angels dancing on the head of a pin, may not be as significant as whether you have been able to gather your bread, water and foodstuffs to feed your family.

In some respects you do make that distinction and must indeed honor yourself in that light. Thus you can, and have full freedom to discuss all the possibilities and potentials that you wish. But there are other potentials and possibilities that are much closer to home and can benefit you much more closely than wondering whether or not it is possible to counter the forces of gravity simply because you think it would be “way cool”. It might be more practical for an individual to explore countering and transforming the influences of beliefs upon his or her situation. Does that make sense?

JOHN: It certainly does. There’s different kinds of gravity. There’s some gravity that it doesn’t make sense to change and other kinds of “gravity” that is entirely within our power to change into levity.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries at your end of Skype-land?

ALAN: Well I’m still trying to get my mind around the idea of what is, what an individual might consider to be within the realm of their practical possibilities. Because I still think there’s some kind of a distinction there between . . . I mean, obviously someone would not expect to be able to go out and walk on water in the normal world. But I do think there are, there are things that people, that are so far from people’s everyday experience that they would, might seem like a real fantasy to entertain thoughts and ideas about these things. But yet they might actually be, have to do with personal beliefs that they hold. And . . .

KRIS: Indeed. And you . . .

ALAN: I guess that’s the issue.

KRIS: And you have struck upon the correct word, fantasy. Now it can effectively be said that all of life is a fantasy, but when it affects you directly it is another matter altogether. And that fine line indeed becomes a subjective matter. But even within the issues of subjectivity there is a recognition of what is, and what is not, a fantasy. When even in certain terms, a fantasy in that way, such as, “Can human beings walk on water or fly?” is based upon the exploration of beliefs, but in these ways, fantasizing about being the human being who will walk on water, or who may reverse the effects of gravity, is also based upon beliefs. But perhaps not the beliefs in gravity so much as putting these extreme situations and attempting to contextualize them in such a way that it will inevitably provide a certain proof that working with beliefs does not bring about expected results. Because the individual will claim that they have been working on changing their beliefs about the influences or effects of gravity so that they can simply levitate and fly and as your quaint old expressions claim, “Let’s face it. You are not Maharishi.”

MARK: If I could just jump in . . .

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: . . . and make a comment there. Just as an example, I have a fantasy of owning a mansion, a three-story mansion with beautiful furniture and art and the whole bit. But I also have a dream to just be a property owner, to own my own house, which is more realistic. And I do, in my day-to-day life, look at what needs to change for me to obtain that dream.

KRIS: Indeed. And there is, again, a fine distinction along those lines. We have mentioned, as well as many others have mentioned, that if you are to dream, by all means dream big. Now you may dream so big as to explore the world of fantasies, thinking that is dreaming big. If you are going to be rich, you might as well be the only one who has money in the world, being the richest individual in the world. And if your dream does not come about in a specified amount of time, say . . .

MARK: Friday at noon.

KRIS: . . . three minutes, then of course all of this reality creation stuff doesn’t work. So we do want to make a clear and recognizable distinction between what is practical, what is fantasy, how you can come to terms with it. And even though you may desire to own property, as you have just described, and even though, on the other hand, you may have dreams of owning a twenty-room mansion, with a yacht and so on and so forth . . .

MARK: A yacht in the pool.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Yes, pools are very interesting. It doesn’t mean that your dream may not come about. But the fantasy itself may be more dubious. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yeah.

KRIS: And does it make sense in Skype-land?

ALAN: Sure. I’m waitin’ for the definition, Kris, the difference between what’s practical and what’s fantasy.

KRIS: Indeed. If you engage in your minds and in your thoughts, those kinds of dreams that even you recognize as being well beyond the reach of every human being, then you have transferred your energies into a world of fantasy. And if you are in the habit of noticing and recognizing your own energies even slightly, you may recognize that your inner self is pulling your back, wanting you to recognize that the “here and now” may be an easier place to apply your energies. Would that assist you?

ALAN: Yeah, Kris. And I think you recently made mention of the fact that if you have a big dream and you imagine yourself having the thing you’re dreaming about and then you start getting objections from other parts of you inside, that that’s a pretty good indication that you’re in the realm of fantasy and not necessarily in the realm of reality.

KRIS: Indeed. When you perceive any opposing or conflicting energies, even your own better judgment telling you that you are venturing too far afield, then it may indeed be time to pay attention. It is a balancing act. And for all intents and purposes, your imagination is a great factory of dreams. When you consciously apply the impossible as your objective in that way, then please take your own best advice and come back down to earth, as it were. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: It certainly does.

KRIS: Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes I think actually, this has been a very helpful discussion you’ve been having with Alan, for me. Because it highlights my, what I . . . the use of the word “impossible” is what confirmed this for me. In other words, you’re always saying that to be practical. Dream big, yes, but be practical about the steps, the practical steps you’re going to take towards that. And if you think in your heart that something is not possible for you, then it’s not gonna’ happen because you belie . . . what you believe is what happens. So, it ends up being . . . Like for instance, for Mark to own property is perfectly within the realm of, of possibilities for him.

MARK: Indeed.

JOHN: Right? Right now, for him to own a twenty-room mansion is outside of what he regards as the realm of possibilities for him. Now that does not mean, though, that over the period of the next few years when he does acquire some property, and maybe some more property, and some other things changed, then that mansion might move within. This is all changeable.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: But that mansion then might move into the realm of what becomes possible.

MARK: That’s right.

JOHN: So it’s a matter of what you sincerely believe is possible.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we are aware that there are many individuals who would rather always think about “no limitations”, that the world and the imagination have no boundaries and no limits and you can engage any kind of thoughts and energy in every kind of direction that can possibly be imagined. And in many respects it is how you use your imagination. Though sometimes you use it to narrow the field of possibilities that is available to you, as if you cannot imagine that you would have some happiness, as a poor example.

However, to demand that your imagination lead you into the territory of the kinds of experiences where you experience the opposite, for instance, that you never have one iota of anything but happiness, is also a certain kind of fantasy. It is not that you need unhappiness to appreciate happiness. But the issues of life are full of contrast. And if you understand the nature of happiness and unhappiness, you may come to realize that none of these things are truly what you are, nor are the experiences themselves what you are. But you are the foundation that anchors the experiences into your life. You are the source, but you are not the happiness, nor the by-products. And the by-products do not make it so your life depends upon them. Do you follow that?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: As a result, the self that you are generates all the necessary situations in life so that you experience the growth and awareness as best suits your situation and personal development. So that gives it a different vantage point altogether. Again, if you are at the base of a mountain you perceive certain things only. But as you climb up the mountain you may perceive more and more, your vision over the horizon becomes larger and larger. And as you reach the summit, then you can see all around you, and have again a completely different perception of the entire valley, as it were. Do not forget that you are the mountain from which you view your perceptions. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah. Well, it’s . . . obviously I’m getting a tiny bit boggled, but . . . Yeah, that, realizing that I’m the mountain always . . . Now, I . . .

KRIS: So depending where you are conscious on the mountain makes a big difference. Just like you know that “the other” is you. The other may exist in another time or place. You are not conscious as “the other”, but you are conscious as “you”. And in some cases that may make you, in some ways perhaps, more fortunate than being conscious as “the other”. That is another point of view, another perspective. Now we believe that you may have need of a break to un-boggle what boggles you.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Indeed. Thank you.

JOHN: I just need to reset my fuses.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality by Design: A Kris Production. I like that better. It seems to flow a little better.

JOHN: Excellent.

MARK: We definitely have some follow-up here from Kris based on some discussion at break.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Now Joseph suggested you bring up a specific topic because it is in line with our presentation.

JOHN: All right. Last week we talked in a way that fascinated me, about the idea that we choose beliefs, acquired beliefs I’m talking about here, because of the limitations they create for us. And that when we fantasize out of the beliefs we’ve chosen it’s, in a way, a little bit counter-productive. Whereas if we fantasize within the beliefs we’ve chosen . . . I know this is a different way of phrasing it . . . Are we getting’ there?

KRIS: Our particular point with this is that on the one hand it may appear that acquired beliefs, or otherwise, appear as limitations. But are they so much a limitation as an opportunity for a chosen experience?

JOHN: Exactly.

KRIS: Thus even they, too, open doors to experience. Your example is to choose to come home from work, lock the door, close the blinds, take the telephone off the hook and just be alone.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Is that necessarily a limitation, an imposed sentence, as much as it could be a desired experience simply to deprogram yourself from the hustle and bustle of the “nine to five”?

JOHN: Exactly.

KRIS: Thus it, too, enable you to focus upon the chosen specific experience at that point in time.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: However, you also note that within a set amount of time you will change your situation. You will choose, then, to open the blinds, put the phone back in and even unlock the door and open it. Thus, again, you make certain critical choices and they lead to experiences. It is only problematic as such when you believe you no longer have choices. In this situation, you suddenly believe that it is no longer possible for you to open the blinds, nor to plug the phone back in, or even to unlock and open your own door. That, you would then choose to be trapped. That excess becomes the limitation.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And this can be utilized metaphorically or otherwise, non-metaphorically. Both situations have the potential. In light of the earlier discussion, you have a similar situation. To believe that only your most extreme fantasies should then be considered as suitable subject matters for conscious creation, knowing full well that you are setting yourself up for a fall. It will not function. Intuitively, there are many individuals who know, and still persist. That is when you realize you have crossed that particular border, and then to believe that it is not possible to have anything otherwise

JOHN: Then you cross . . .

KRIS: Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes. It absolutely does.

KRIS: So you do box yourself into your own subjects.

JOHN: Well also, it occurs to me . . . And here I’m speaking about myself in years past. When I want to get fascinated by, essentially fantasies about may or may not be possible in some philosophical sense, my own feeling, as I look back on those episodes, is that what I was really doing was denying my own “here and now”, and my own feelings, and my own potential to change my real life.

KRIS: Indeed. You may consider that a type of sophisticated smokescreen . . .

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: . . . concentrating immense amounts of energy and thought, emotions and feelings, into that which is fantasy, thinking of course that everything else will simply magically be where it is, or supposed to be where it is. You could, for example, fantasize about all sorts of fantastic, impossible things. But at the same time, you stay at home doing the fantasies and your pay cheques should just keep coming in, and then get rather despondent when it is not the case.

Thus, not to put a dampener on anyone’s imagination and fantasies and fantasy-making energies, do recognize that you have a great deal of potential within your reach. But do recognize that when people claim, for instance, that you have unlimited potential at your reach, you need to define that. Otherwise you spin as in a hamster wheel.

JOHN: Yes. And also it seems to me, I mean what I’ve learned over the years is that there’s no need to make up magical and wonderful things to think about instead of where I am “here and now”. Where I am “here and now”, when I give it my full, sincere attention, is as magical and amazing as anything I can imagine.

KRIS: Indeed. Because the “here and now” is also the product of your imaginings.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: But it is in a different class. Does that make sense in Skype-land?

ALAN: Yeah, it certainly does, Kris. Two things that came to my mind when you brought up the topic of limiting beliefs and why we would choose to adopt limiting beliefs. One, of course, is the fear of the unknown, kind of like Hamlet saying, you know, “I’d rather bear the ills I have than fly to others I know not of.” And the other side, I think, is a very practical one. And that is, if you have too much choice you’ll never get anything done. So limiting beliefs actually allow you to focus on at least doing one thing rather than being lost in a shopping centre.

KRIS: Indeed. And in that respect you take full advantage of the truly powerful capacities of your conscious mind, because it is, in many ways, not unlike a capacitor. It allows. Do you follow? It enables a concentration, focusing, so that you can about, go about the business of going about your business. It is through that interface that you can truly show and shine with your potential. But if you keep concentrating on unlimited potentials you may never be able to come to terms with the potential you have now in the “here and now”. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Well yeah. It’s just like when somebody spends all the time trying to chat and not listening to what you’re saying, they’re really not being in this moment and taking advantage of the hour of their conscious mind. They’re kind of going, by default, in another direction.

KRIS: How did you know we sometimes peek into your chat room?

{Laughter.]

ALAN: Well you peek into everything else we’ve got, Kris. So the chat room shouldn’t be off limits.

KRIS: Now we never peek in drawers we are not allowed to peek in.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: Other than that, yes, and you bring up a very valid point. There are many discussions where the individuals may believe sincerely that they can listen to the discussion, the main discussion, and at the same time engage in twenty different chats thinking that indeed the true effect is already felt. We cannot even hint at wanting to manage these types of processes. It is not our place. But it is up to the individual to do what is best for themselves to, how do you say, to take full advantage of the investment that they have given into the group exchange and thereby really come out winners. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Very nicely put.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: Yeah.

KRIS: Are there any last observations? Do you also understand the processes for the next show?

JOHN: Submit questions on the site or on the forums.

MARK: Or write through Skype.

JOHN: Or write through Skype. And it’ll be a Q. and A. That sounds great.

MARK: Spread the word.

ALAN: Yeah, right guys, ‘cause I can monitor the Skype chats and pick up any questions off of there.

MARK: Yep. That’s what it’s mainly for.

KRIS: Indeed then, we leave you to your best devices. And we recognize that those devices are all well intentioned. And we thank you for your consideration. And once again, ‘BOO”.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: BOO.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris.

END OF PROGRAM

Kris Radio: Freedom!

October 22, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 22, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Thank you, Mark.  I’m happy to be back again at . . . Do you know . . . do you remember how that guy used to say, “Here’s Johnny”?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: That’s kind of the energy [that] you come in with … such wonderful, “Here’s Kris Radio”.

And of course we have our friend, Serge.

SERGE: Thank you, John and Mark.  And of course we have a very special guest.  It’s our newborn.  It’s only one-point-three pounds.

MARK: [Laughing.]  It’s the book. If I could get a camera? [Holding the book up so that the audience can see the cover.]

JOHN: The book.

SERGE: There it is.

MARK: There it is kids.  Our first book.  Finally.  [Laughing.]  Three and a half years in the making.  “Field Guide to Dreams: Discourses on Dreams Volume 1.”  It is now available on line at authorhouse.com, amazon.com, and barnsandnoble.com.  So you can order your copy today.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: Today.  Today.  Today.

[Laughter.]

MARK: “Discourses on Dreams”

JOHN: And a very handsome looking book it is too

MARK: I love the cover.  Don’t you, John?

JOHN: The cover is everything we’d hoped for.

[Laughter.]

MARK: John designed the cover for it.

SERGE: And the picture on the cover is of where most of the walks were taking place, in Taylor Creek Park in the east end of Toronto.  That is from that very spot.

MARK: “Discourses on Dreams” is exactly that.  It’s a series of discourses, conversations on dreams between myself and Kris and sometimes some other people and Kris, and sometimes it’s even right here from the radio show, but a lot of the times that we were taking walks when we had these conversations.  And that was right there on the cover.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: Do we have Alan?

ALAN: Well I’m here.  I don’t know about you.

JOHN: Oh hi, Alan.

MARK: Hi Alan.  How are you?

SERGE: We think we’re here.

ALAN: I’m great.  How’re you guys doin’?  Hey good lookin’ book.  Where’d you find that?

[Laughter.]

MARK: We found it on the doorstep.

SERGE: Literally.  We came home Tuesday afternoon and there it was.

MARK: Very exciting.  Got your copy yet?

ALAN: It’s comin’.  I don’t live as close to the print shop as Bill does, so I have to wait longer for mine.

JOHN: Oh, has Bill already got his?

SERGE: It’s actually . . .

ALAN: Well he’s three miles . . .

JOHN: Oh, that’s right.

ALAN: Well he’s three miles from where they’re printing it, so.

JOHN: Oh right.

[Laughter.]

MARK: He could walk over.

ALAN: He figures he’ll get his pretty quick.

MARK: [Laughing.]  They’ll probably send it via China.  So anyway, I guess what we should talk about a little bit is some of the upcoming workshops.  Starting Tuesday, this coming Tuesday, we have “Change the World” Number Two, which is a continuation of “Change the World” Number One.

JOHN: I guess we didn’t get it changed enough the first time.

MARK: No.

SERGE: It has to be tweaked a little bit more.

MARK: Well, Kris sort of blew us all out of the water on “Change the World” One.  And there’s just so much more that he can offer.  It’s just ah . . .

JOHN: Uh-huh.

MARK: . . . mind boggling.  But yeah, so that’s coming up fast.  So, if you haven’t paid yet now would be a good time.

SERGE: Yeah, it’s actually we kick off the second part on Tuesday.

MARK: Tuesday.  So, ah, this coming Saturday is the next “CMI” session.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: And then in January we have “Change Your Life: The Keys to Unlocking the Secrets of Your Mind“.  And this is going to be six Skype sessions.  So just keep that in mind.  I haven’t put the page up yet for that, so you can’t sign up for that yet.  But that’s coming.

SERGE: Well I’m hoping with the next week or two to send out a newsletter and it’ll contain all that information.

MARK: And then there’s a couple more after that.

JOHN: Well, yeah, and getting right up until next, um, next, um, June’s, seminar, which I’m quite looking forward to already.  That one’s all about ascension?

MARK: “Your Highest Enlightenment: The True Meaning of Ascension“.  And that’s a two-day workshop here in Toronto.

JOHN: Yeah, I’m not sure I can get more enlightened than I am, but I’m willing.

SERGE: You’re willing to try.

JOHN: I’m willing.

[Laughter.]

MARK: So how are . . .

ALAN: So does this workshop mean we only have to get plain reservations to?

JOHN: That’s right.  You’ll be able to fly home on your own power.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Kind of reminds me of the Red Bull commercials.

SERGE: Yeah, we’ll have some Red Bull at the shop.

[Laughter.]

MARK: So how’s your week been, John?

JOHN: This has been a very interesting week for me.  I was try . . . I was . . . Do I hear a funny thing in the background?

MARK: That’s okay.

JOHN: I was trying to explain over dinner that I’m becoming aware, in particular at the last radio show, I became aware of basically, um, an experience, an actual physical experience that it’s very hard for me to think about or write about or, or put words to.  But the feeling I’m getting is that we all have these kinds of experiences much more often than we’re aware of.  But because we don’t have a way to remember them, or think about them, or process them, or store them away in a little box where we can get them again when we want them, they’re so far outside of official reality. And you remember when Kris used to say that official reality has so many cheese, ah, so many, as many holes in it as Swiss cheese?

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Thank you.  Well I think I’m beginning to catch a glimpse of some stuff that’s been comin’ through those holes.

MARK: Yep.  Absolutely.  And it’s all about paying attention.  And that’s why we’re tuning into them nowadays.  We’re starting to pay attention.

JOHN: Uh-huh.

MARK: We’re finally learning that lesson.

JOHN: Like, well you were saying that you had a déjà vu, a really strong one.

MARK: I had a really strong déjà vu this afternoon.  And I had an experience on the subway this morning where I went into an altered state.  And it was sort of like watching myself on the subway train as if I was watching myself on TV or in a movie, and watching this person sitting on a train watching the scenery go by.  And that was, I can’t describe it.

JOHN: Well this is what I’m saying.  You, we, I find it hard to even think about these things.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: And this is my clue though, that . . . Like for instance when you have a déjà vu experience, I suspect that it’s like a ten-percent iceberg thing.  I think what you’re sensing and what you’re able to bring back as a recollection is a tiny fraction of the real event, most of which just went over your head, or under your feet, or . . .

MARK: Exactly.

JOHN: . . . wherever.

MARK: Well, we’re about to find out, I think.

JOHN: [Chuckling.]  Would not surprise me.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And those observations are quite pertinent, in that you are accustomed to being focused on the ten percent of your conscious awareness for so long and for so much of the time that you quite naturally ignore what is going on in the other ninety percent.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.  And the impression I’m getting is that the ninety percent, it’s not that we’re incapable of being aware of that, it’s that we have chosen to focus our awareness and that it’s quite possible for us to be aware of that.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now do you remember some of the talk last week concerning habits?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Not of the religious or clergical type, but more specifically the habits that you entertain that you use to maintain the daily activities that you engage.  This also includes those habits that literally limit your perceptions, or the fields of those perceptions.  Thus you are aware of only a fraction of what it is that you do.  And to be even more precise, we have, many times now, especially in the Consciousness Mentoring Courses as well as the Change the World course, made many mentions to the fact that your beliefs and thus your behaviors, have value.  They are good, regardless of the outcome.

Now by good, we do not necessarily mean they are all nice and fuzzy and warm pretty little beliefs.  But more specifically that they have purpose.  They are purposeful.  And that changes the equation.  In as much as you may consider that some of your habits are truly annoying, even to yourself, and others at times, if you can bring yourself to examine their purposefulness, you may discover that in the same way that you express that they have value, they are maintained by you because they serve a specific purpose.  For example, the alcoholic has a habit of drinking.  And it is an entirely unconscious process.  Simply one glass goes in after the other until the individual is inebriated.  And there is a purposefulness behind this in that the alcoholic may wish to simply no longer be aware of the way he or she feels about things, especially themselves and others.  So it interrupts that process.  And he or she may think this will put them in touch with the self they truly are.  It never does, but they think it does.

So all of your habits have a purpose and the habit that you have developed of ignoring or not recognizing, or not being aware of your greater realities also serves a purpose.  It keeps you in the “here and now” when you need to be in the “here and now”.  But you have carried it quite far.  The experimentation has been carried too far, even, in that you think it is absolutely normal to keep anything on the other side of the fence out of your own back yard of consciousness, out of your conscious awareness, because you believe that it may now be a threat.  You are operating mostly out of an ignorance at that point.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, I do.

KRIS: So by recognizing that you have many habits that simply keep the machinery going on, understanding why or what the purpose is, you can come to an enlightened perspective on the reasons why you do what it is that you do, and why you think the things you think, and why you say the things you say.  Because all of these influence perception and as you know, perception is consciousness.  Correct?

JOHN: Yeah.  I hadn’t thought of it quite that way before, but yes, perception is consciousness.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Thus you can make yourself aware of whom and what you are apart from the prettily packaged, mostly “bag of water” with a few bones thrown in.  In making yourselves aware, you can definitely acquire an advantage in having the kind of life that you want as opposed to constantly fighting against the life that you do not want.  And the distinction is quite marked.  You utilize the same process, but one is to your disadvantage and one is to your advantage.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Absolutely.  It’s a matter of what you’re concentrating upon.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now to that effect we would like to make an alteration to the name of the radio show.

JOHN: Oh, okay.

KRIS: We would like it to be “Reality by Design: A Kris Radio Show”.  Since more and more of these discussions are centering around creating your own reality, then we believe it is only fitting that the title reflect this.

JOHN: “Reality by Design.”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: As opposed to reality by default.

KRIS: Correct.  Now do you have any particular questions or inquiries?

JOHN: I was particularly captured and fascinated by something last week, Kris.  You said that taking action in the world was the junction, I believe was the word, between our conscious selves and our neo-conscious selves.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And I’ve been playing with that for a week.  And when you’re aware of that it can be a kind of, you can get into a kind of dance as you take an action and then you observe how the world responds to that action.  And then you take another one.  It ends up being a kind of dance.

KRIS: The world of action requires firstly your physical form.  And that physical form following on the impulse, thus taking action, becomes the meeting point of time and space.  Everything occurs in the now.  And you have your existence in the now.  To think of actions you would do in the future means, for the most part, that you may never do them.  To think of actions you would have and could have and should have done in the past is for most parts a great deal of wasted time.  Thus actions need to be taken in the present moment.  You do not find world class bankers taking actions that they will speculate about in years to come.  That will not bring them any benefits.  Nor do they pine about actions they could have, would have and should have taken in the past.  It does not bring them any monies.  Correct?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: They need their action now, because only now, at that moment is when the prime rates are at their optimum.  And that is where they make their profits.  And that is where you make your profits in the moment.  What you concentrate upon, what you want, what you desire, will lead your body to want to take action to make that become reality.  Otherwise you might as well simply cut your head off and simply be a big thinking head.

[Chuckles.]

JOHN: Well I suppose, to carry that thought further, I’m sure that there are dimensions where it is all just thoughts and ideas and there’s no physicality.

KRIS: Indeed, but you are not in that dimension.

JOHN: Correct.  So it’s not that those aren’t the kind, you know, of . . .

KRIS: If you are a starving man, the notion that in some probability you are feasting and filling your gullet, are actually meaningless.

JOHN: It might even make it worse.

KRIS: Indeed.  You need food now, damn it.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: For in staying within the field of the practical of the reality of now, is where you function.  Correct?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Earlier, you mentioned about the ten-percent influencing the ninety-percent.  If you think about it for one moment, if you think about how potent that equation is, it truly reflects just how powerful you are and the levels of motivation should then be augmented.

JOHN: Um-hmm. Yeah.  Well I think it’s a, I think it may be news to many people, and it’s coming home to me more strongly every day, the idea that I actually am the boss.  The thing that blows me away is that the ten-percent is directing the activities.

KRIS: It is a matter of understanding whom is conducting the orchestra, the musicians in the pit or the maestro.

JOHN: Well I’m just thrilled to death to be the maestro, really.

KRIS: Now a good maestro knows how each musical instrument and musician plays at his or her best and uses that knowledge.  A good maestro does not sit in one corner and then say to the musicians and the orchestra, “Well you play some kind of symphony out there.”  It requires coordination awareness.  Correct?

JOHN: Yes.  A good maestro knows his, all of the instruments and their potentials intimately.

KRIS: Indeed.  And as maestros of the symphony of your life, it then behooves you to know and understand the mechanisms involved, the potential of each of your musicians and the instruments that they play, in order to get the most out of it.  Now if maestro is concentrating on the banana daiquiri that he or she may have later on and then muses about the hamburger that he or she had for lunch, and at the date that he or she had last week, who is conducting the orchestra?

JOHN: They’re just playing whatever they want.

MARK: AutoPlay.

KRIS: Indeed.  And you will get, actually, a minimal performance.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: So the maestro has to be present.  So we are suggesting to you who think that you are maestros of your orchestra, to be present.  And the more present you are, the more you can get out of the orchestra and each musician and each instrument.

JOHN: Yes, and in fact to, just to add some life to our metaphor here.  The, I am the maestro who is continually growing and expanding.  And every instrument in my orchestra is continually increasing their capacities.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: So that the whole thing is a moving target.  It’s actually kind of interesting.  I mean, while on the one hand we might be able to get to know it better and better and better.  On the other hand, it’s continually growing and changing so we’re never going to know it completely.

KRIS: But at least you know that there is potential within the orchestra, that each musician and each instrument can become more than what it was yesterday.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

KRIS: And that is what a maestro does.  The maestro does not muse and ponder about the symphonies that were played last year and last week and yesterday.  The maestro concentrates on getting the best performance of each musician and instrument now, because he knows that the performances to be had tomorrow and next year will even be better.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: So he is concentrating on the moment, on the now.  And everything happens in that orchestra pit, now.  Thus our request to change or at least alter the name of the Radio Show, because in so many words, the maestro designs the orchestra that he or she desires.  Do you understand that?

JOHN: Yes, exactly so.

KRIS: He fine-tunes each potential of each musician and his or her instrument.  That way he knows who can hit that note at that moment.  And together the results are spectacular.  They are majestic.

JOHN: Um-hmm.  Majestic.

MARK: And you know just how good we are.  We’re doing this on the fly.  We’re not only orchestrating; we’re creating the musical piece that we’re orchestrating, on the go.  That’s pretty darn good.

KRIS: Actually we would take that another notch.  You may think you are doing this “on the fly” because you are only viewing it from the ten-percent perspective.

MARK: Um-hmm.  Indeed.

KRIS: But if you turn your vision the other way and view it from the perspective of the ninety-percent, everything is there.

MARK: Agreed.

KRIS: If, say, the violinist begins to play the violin and then begins to second-guess, “Did I learn the correct amount of pressure?  Did I learn the correct amount of chords when I was a little pupil?” the music will not come out.  The musician knows that what he learned or what she learned as a youngster in playing the violin, or any other instrument, has now not only become second nature, it is their nature.  It is what they do.  They become the instrument and the music.  That is why you can sit, whether it is at a play watching performers or musicians, and you can usually tell who IS the instrument, who IS the music at that time.  They will shine.  They will outperform the others, because they are in their element, they are in their zone.  So our suggestion is that everyone can also be in the zone.

And we are not saying that we are the maestro.  But we are saying that we can assist you in becoming the best maestro you can be.  That is why we want to change to “Reality by Design”.  And we encourage you to bring other individuals to the radio show to listen.  That is why we encourage you now to bring other people to the website.  That is why we encourage you to be who you are.  Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, it does.  It’s quite thrilling.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: There are many things planned for the coming year.  There are already three workshops, both on line and in person.  And there will be many more.  Thus we encourage you to take action.  You want to hear the music that you can play.  You want your music to move the stars in the firmament.  You want your music to make other hearts sing.  You want your music to be heard.  You want yourself to be heard, and to be the best that you can be.  You want to be the best you?  We will assist you.  We will not do it for you.  But we can assist you.  And it may require that some of you have to get off the couch, at least once in a while.

[Laugher.]

KRIS: Now, do you want a small break?

MARK: Yes, please.

KRIS: Indeed then.

MARK: Thank you.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Reality By Design: A Kris Radio Show.  My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John and Serge and Alan out there in Skype-land.

JOHN: Yes, and we’re talking about . . . What are we talking about?

MARK: Being the best darn maestro that you can be.

JOHN: Yeah, quite an extended metaphor there.  Do you know what occurred to me was, the idea of a symphony, is actually quite a good metaphor.  I’ll tell you why.  Because we think of a symphony as something that you have to sit down and listen to from beginning to end.

MARK: Right.

JOHN: So that we think of our lives as something that you have to tell the story from beginning to end.  It’s a linear process.

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: However, that linear process is constructed in a series of “nows”.

MARK: Right.

JOHN: So that even though you can’t see the whole symphony, by paying attention to the notes being played “now” you can guarantee, you can see that the whole symphony eventually is going to make sense.  And that’s the same through your life.  You don’t know what the end of the story is going to be.  But by paying attention to what you’re, the choices you’re making now, you can influence what the arc of the story is going to be.

MARK: Any comments out there in Skype-land?

ALAN: Well I just wanta’ point out there’s some new people involved, including one from Rotterdam.

MARK: Wow.

ALAN: And it’s also Ester’s birthday.

MARK: Happy birthday, Ester.

JOHN: Twenty-nine.  She’s growing up, that girl.  Well Ester’s always been one of my favorite people.  You know I was married to her . . .

MARK: You were married to her once.

JOHN: . . . and had ten kids.

[Laughter.]

MARK: I was one of those kids.  Well, your adopted kid.

JOHN: Yeah, right.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: So we got up close and personal at one point.

MARK: Okay, dad.

KRIS: Now what else can you ponder about in regards to the symphony?

JOHN: I like the idea of everybody playing, ah, yeah, each . . . Oh, here’s a nice thing.  You know all those aspects of myself that I  . . .

MARK: I was going to’ say that magic word “aspects”.

JOHN: Go ahead.  Go ahead.  You’re on.

MARK: I was just going to’ say that every… every person in that orchestra sitting down there is a specialist in a field.  It’s an aspect that would be called upon to, to soar, to . . . What was the term you just used?  To be in the zone, in their zone, just like you call up certain aspects as you need them.

KRIS: Now, what else makes the orchestra and the symphony complete?

JOHN: An audience.

MARK: An audience.

KRIS: And what kind of an audience, one that is deaf or one that hears?

JOHN: One that is in, not only can hear, but is in the concert hall and is sittin’ down there and payin’ attention.

MARK: Hopefully.

KRIS: Also in the present moment.

JOHN: Also in the now.  That’s right.

KRIS: Indeed.  Thus that indicates that you need to be noticing.  And noticing is simply seeing that a red car drove down the street you are walking on, or that a little old lady was carrying her groceries.  This is all the beginning of noticing.  But when you begin to notice that you engage different kinds of altered states, then your noticing has been taken up to the next logical evolutionary step.  And that, for all intents and purposes, is the nature of evolutionary processes in terms of humankind, of your species, that you begin to notice some tidbits of the other ninety-percent.  That is progress.

JOHN: Well I think that I  . . .

KRIS: Laundry soap that makes the white whiter is not progress.

JOHN: Well I think that I’m catching glimpses of that.  As a matter of fact, I was having a nap today and I opened up Jane’s book “Psychic Politics”.  And I came across a line that really struck home with me.  She said that the important thing in your life was not necessarily the experiences that you had, but the state of consciousness you were in while you were having them.  It seems to me you just said the same thing.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And so I’m really intrigued by the idea.  It adds a whole new . . .

MARK: Perspective, obviously.

JOHN: . . . dimension, really, to my life.  Because when I add into the equation, “Okay, what happened?”  Yes, that’s one layer.  “What state of consciousness was I in when that happened?” adds a very, very revealing layer.

KRIS: Indeed.  In the same way that you would notice your behavior, your habits, and instead of resorting to the usual, habitual processes, you begin to appreciate and even bless your beliefs, your behaviors, because you understand that at one time or another it was purposeful.  It filled a purpose.  And to also appreciate the fact that there are times when beliefs no longer fill the same purpose.  Thus it is not to say that now you must hack it to little pieces, but instead create those kinds of habits that are just as purposeful, can bring you just the same kind of benefits, but in a different direction.

Learning to walk, and even before you learned to walk, you are dependent on your parents to carry you from point A to point B and then to potty.  As you learn to walk it is important for you to hold onto a hand.  Mommy or Daddy is there to support you until such a time when you realize that all by yourself, they let go of the hand and you have been walking for some time without any support.  That is a milestone.  It is the same way when you are on your training bicycle.  Often Daddy is there to hold it behind so you do not fall.  And you notice, after cycling for a block, that Daddy had let go a long time ago.  Another milestone.  You achieved something tremendous.  You stayed on the bicycle.  At that point it was purposeful to hold onto Mommy and Daddy, but as a forty-year-old is it also purposeful?

JOHN: No.

KRIS: Indeed.  So you need a different kind of set of beliefs.  That makes sense?

JOHN: Yes, it does.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: I suspect that I could probably kick off the training wheels in a few different areas in my life at this point.

KRIS: Indeed.  Thus the point is that you are at a stage of life where you can recognize many of the habits, the habitual patterns that run on semi-automatic but that still cause difficulties and struggles in your life.  Instead of charging and hacking to pieces those patterns or habits, thank them, bless them, because they served a useful purpose.  Now it is time to concentrate on new ones.  There is no need to dismantle the old.  Once you no longer afford it any kind of energy or concentration . . .

JOHN: It will just . . .

KRIS: . . .you will not even recognize that it has all gone away.

JOHN: Yes.  Um, that occurs to me, ah, something that I think I’d like to share is an insight I’ve had about mobility of consciousness . . .

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: . . . which I think is something you’re teaching us.  If we find ourselves, I’m speaking of myself here, when I find myself in a situation lately that might have overwhelmed me before, or where I might have been sucked into some behavior patterns or emotional responses that I’m not happy with, I find that being able to move deliberately to a different layer of consciousness often defuses the situation and gives me back a feeling of being able to manage.

KRIS: Indeed.  That is also accurate.  Do you know why?  Because that enables you to break the pattern, to break the circuitry.

JOHN: Whereas staying in that layer of consciousness with it, it just plays its course.

KRIS: It perpetuates the system.

JOHN: But being able to straddle another layer at the same time breaks the . . .

MARK: Pattern.

JOHN: . . . breaks the pattern.  That’s very nice.  Yeah.

KRIS: Thus even something as simple as appreciating or even blessing those beliefs or patterns or habits that you want to let go of, can have a significant impact.  Because then you realize that you have energies that you can direct to those new patterns that you want in your life.  And on the main, it requires approximately thirty-odd days to instill new patterns, new beliefs, thus a new behavior.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: But it must, in some way, be done if you want to have what you want.  Otherwise you still get what you do not want.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

MARK: Because you can’t change what you don’t like.

JOHN: Right.  And you can’t change what you don’t notice, either.

MARK: [Laughing.]  Exactly.

KRIS: What say you in Skype-land?

ALAN: Well Kris, I like the idea.  What it sounds like to me is that you’re saying that we treat a habit much the same way that we would treat an aspect.  And, uh, the only difference I’ve heard so far in the mechanism of, let’s say, how we deal with either an aspect or a habit we don’t want . . . Those are pretty much the same.  But I just heard you say that in the case of a habit it might take as long as thirty days to change it, whereas we might have almost overnight success incorporating an aspect or modifying our belief system.  I wondered if you might comment on that issue of time as far as we’re concerned?

KRIS: When you deal with aspects you incorporate, often, multiple layers of habit and behavior.  Thus you are approaching the subject matter directly to the core.  And though, even with an aspect, you might have overnight success to a degree; it is to your advantage to pursue the transformation from the old to the new.  And do understand when we say change.  We do not mean that you will be able to magically transform a banana into a blueberry.  When we say change we mean that you leave the banana and create a blueberry.  Do you follow?

ALAN: Yeah.

KRIS: Thus, even when you notice that there are immediate benefits to the transformation, continue to consciously make those concerted efforts in the same way that the maestro would work on a new symphony with the musicians for so many days until he is satisfied that each note will be perfect.  Thus, when the habit is fully and duly ingrained into your neo-conscious mind, when you no longer have to reflect or think about it, and it performs automatically for you, can take approximately thirty days.  But striking at a habit on its own might require a bit more effort on your part.  Simply because you might begin to recognize the other layers and apparently they may seem to you to be different from the main habit, whilst you approach an aspect containing all the layers together.  Does that make some sense to you?  Even if it does not, that is fine for now.

MARK: Still there?

ALAN: Yeah.  It went in and out for a moment but I think I really got the gist of this and I appreciate the tie-in to aspects.  Because it just makes sense that an aspect is going to be a complicated structure or psychological being and you’re not just going to get the whole thing in one fell swoop.  And just the same way as a habit, you need to work at this.  Whether it’s incorporating an aspect or changing a bad habit you still have to give it time and repetition.

KRIS: Indeed.  And one of the quickest methods in either case is to begin behaving as if the change has been accomplished.  Act as if.  Pretend it is already progressing towards your desired behavior and outcome.  That will lead you to concentrate more and more on what you want and less and less on what you do not want, ‘til what you do not want becomes irrelevant.  Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Well as you’ve said before, it is simple. It isn’t always easy.

KRIS: That is correct.  Any inquiries on your end then?

ALAN: No, other than the fact there has been quite a bit of discussion about the orchestra and the maestro and the whole line of conversation.

KRIS: Indeed then.  Any inquiries here?  You still have several minutes.

MARK: I just wanted to comment that I really understand this from my experiences.  I find that I have my good days and my bad days, so to speak.  I’ll go into work, for instance, and I’ll remember to pay attention to what I’m thinking and saying and how I’m behaving.  And it’ll affect the outcome of that day.  I’ll have a really good day.  And then there are other times that I completely forget to do that.  But the more that I do it, the more repetition, the better I’m getting at it and the more good days that I have.

JOHN: Um-hmm.

MARK: And before long it’s going to’ be that I forgot what it’s like to be riding with those training wheels on.

JOHN: Well the thing that we maybe haven’t stressed is that when you drop your training wheels and you can ride your bike, not only is that a thrill but you then get to go and play with your friends on your bikes and travel all around the countryside and go out into the woods and, like . . . In other words it isn’t just a personal triumph, but it represents a whole new vista of excitement, opportunities for you.

MARK: Absolutely.

MARK: Next thing you know you’re popping’ wheelies and riding double and riding “no hands”.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: And what would that mean?

MARK: Constantly growing.  Constantly changing and changing your behaviors, your beliefs.

KRIS: Now if you are merely a youngster that would be very difficult to comprehend.  There is another word that they have, freedom.

JOHN: There you go.

KRIS: They exercise a certain kind of freedom.  They can now go and cycle with their friends.

JOHN: So to take that back to our own analogy, as we expand our awareness and understanding and acceptance of self, not only does this represent a spectacular achievement that makes us thrilled, but it represents a huge leap forward in our own personal freedom.

KRIS: Correct.  Now many ancient cultures speak about liberation, achieving liberation from the shackles of the cycle of birth and death.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: From our perspective, lack of freedom, meaning being inadvertently influenced by beliefs and habits that you do not want, is the true mean of the Wheel of, you call it, Samsara.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And developing awareness and enlightenment affords you that freedom because you notice.  And the notion that you can be freed from the burden of physical life is a distortion.  Because in truth, it is not physical life that is a burden, it is what you do with it.  Concentrating on what you do not want is that psychological prison you want to be freed from.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Absolutely.  Absolutely.  So the cycle of birth and death is really a much smaller cycle in the “now”.  The birth of a new, ah, the birth of a habit into, not birth but the re-engagement of an old existing habit that takes us through, down a trail we’ve been down a thousand times before, that is the birth and death we’re freed from.

KRIS: Indeed.  Because that kind of “dying” is a recognition that you are caught up in habits, in patterns, in doing the same thing over and over again for years and decades and centuries and millennia, and expecting that somehow or other someday the results will be different.  We have heard it referred to as a kind of insanity.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: To be freed from that is enlightenment.  Especially when it is as a result of awareness, of noticing, of knowledge and wisdom.  And the difference is that he or she who is enlightened may still have a bad hair day, but at least they know they can deal with it and still find a purpose within it, whilst the average individual has a bad hair day and feels defeated by their hair.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Victimized by their hair.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now, do you have any other comments?

JOHN: Uh, you said something a couple of weeks ago that . . . Again, there’s something about my brain.  These things just stick in there like little burrs.  What you said was . . . we were talking about the difference between prime beliefs and acquired beliefs.  And the phrase you used, which triggered me, was, you said that prime beliefs are the things that are necessary expressions of our selves in order to be here, but that acquired beliefs were, in actual fact, limitations that we had accepted.  Now I think that’s an interesting . . . In other words, every acquired belief is really a limit, perhaps is a limitation on our experience.  Was that accurate?

KRIS: That is what we said.

JOHN: [Chuckling.]  That is what you said.  Yes.

KRIS: Now if you enter a room and close the door, to open a door, enter a room and close the door, to enter a room, close the door, enter a room, close the door, you are truly getting closeted. Are you not?

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Yeah, we’re in about six layers of rooms with doors.

KRIS: Indeed.  Piling on limiting beliefs, one on top of the other . . .

JOHN: I see what you’re saying.

KRIS: . . . ill affords you the opportunity to truly find your freedom.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Because you may even become convinced that there is nothing about the world that you can do, there is nothing about your life that you can do.  You are the way you are because of your jeans, whether they are Levi’s or 501′s, your genetics, your heritage, your DNA, your evolution.  All of these things determine who and what you are and there is not a damn thing you can do about it, period.

JOHN: Well let me just quick . . . I know we’re running out of time, Kris, so forgive me for rushing here.  Is it possible then for us to live here in the physical with just prime beliefs or do we have to have acquired beliefs on top?

KRIS: You acquire the beliefs that you need, especially to break free of those psychological restraints that you want to break free of.  So you would manifest the beliefs.  That is an entirely different layer of understanding.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: You come into the world [and] you take your birth not as a blank slate, but with all kinds of ideas that you want to explore.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And you want to explore them because they challenge you.

JOHN: And so the acquired beliefs are our way of exploring that?

KRIS: Indeed.  They only become difficult when you let them overwhelm and over-influence you.

JOHN: Past their due date.

KRIS: Indeed.  If the belief has past its expiration date you can simply get rid of it.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Do you understand?

JOHN: I do.  I get it.  Thank you.

MARK: All beliefs are purposeful.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Even if limiting, they’re purposeful and valid.

JOHN: Well that raises the idea of a purposeful limitation, which I’m afraid we may have to talk about next week.

MARK: Which is eight o’clock.

[Laughter.]

KRIS: As we suggested, if you take the example of the alcoholic.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: He, too, has a purpose for drinking.

JOHN: Right.  So he’s chosen the limitation on his memory on purpose.

KRIS: Now the trick for such an individual would be to develop a new belief, a bigger belief, a bigger sandbox, a bigger story, where he still acquires the same benefits but without the need to become stupefied with liquor.

JOHN: Right.  Cocaine, I think now.

[Mark roars with laughter.]

JOHN: Just kidding.  I couldn’t resist that.  No.

MARK: You caught me off guard with that one.

JOHN: No, for all you kids at home, don’t try that one at home.

MARK: [Laughing.] Don’t try that at all.

JOHN: No.  A point very well taken, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now then we will return you to your unlimited selves.  And may you design for yourself the best darn reality you can.

JOHN: Thank you.

MARK: Thank you.  Thank you, Alan.  Stay tuned for The Heroic Journey of the Soul.  Good night everybody.

END OF SHOW

Open Mic Night

October 19, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, October 19, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Brian (El-Don), Anya (Greensleeves), Alan (Regoronn), Barbara, Lisa (Lauramar), Tom (Desiré), and Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)

(7:47 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now, since you all have had to listen to us for some time now, perhaps this might be a very good opportunity for an evening of your inquiries. The floor is yours, whomever wants to mop it!

(Group chuckles)

ANYA: Can I go?

KRIS: Indeed! Clean up in aisle Utah.

ANYA: (Laughs) Okay! I’m in a place where I’m experiencing a really sharp contrast between… it’s like, an unfulfilled desire, when you have a desire to create something so, so, so big and you feel like the belief structure, maybe the aspect structure, is holding me back and I just go through the seesaw of going up and down, up and down, and I know we’ve talked about this so many times and I know there are so many tools, but I guess where I’m feeling is a little bit overwhelmed in terms of just because there are so many tools and I’m thinking in terms of maybe aspect therapy, are there any comments or additional insights that you would recommend for a place where you want something so, so much and you’re impatient about how you’re creating it?

KRIS: Indeed, we are certain that you are not alone in such a situation. You might indeed have much company.

ANYA: Good!

KRIS: And when you so endearingly focus and strive for and literally concentrate your efforts on what it is that you want, you may quite inadvertently also begin to focus on what it is that you do not have. And there may be a very fine line that distinguishes the two states and they are thus very easily mingled. And as you continue in that kind of a direction, you may come to recognize that you have begun to experience a certain kind of trust, perhaps even a certain kind of anticipation and even anxiousness. A certain level of angst, hankering for what you do not yet have. Is that correct?

ANYA: Correct, yes.

KRIS: Thus your focus of attention at that time actually becomes sidetracked and as you become more and more sidetracked, you have a psychological experience of apparently being separated from, not only then your objectives, your outcomes, your desired outcomes, but also from yourself. And the tendency is to continue in that vein as if in already knowing that this kind of attention or concentration does not bring you what you desire, then you will double down on the concentration as if somehow or other it is merely a matter of digging deeper into that particular state, thinking perhaps that since it has proven unhelpful to that degree, you will likely just squeeze it ’til it actually gives you what you want, and all the while perhaps not realizing that you are squeezing a stone. It cannot bring you what you desire. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: I’m a little bit confused. Are you talking …

KRIS: That is fine. That is actually very good.

ANYA: (Laughs) Okay….

KRIS: And that is why we presented it that way, because if you begin even the slightest bit of confusion as we talk, then you will actually forget your angst and move towards your desired outcome and leave behind any specific distractions. The distractions are not necessarily helpful to you. Say, perhaps, in directing your noticing that you have gotten off track. It is a fine thing indeed to desire, to want, something — a state, an experience, an outcome — and the more you concentrate in such a manner that you reinforce that you do not have it, the more you will continue not having it. And you do not like that particular state, correct?

ANYA: Correct. Very correct.

KRIS: And if you remember, you cannot really change what you do not like. The direction, then, best offered to yourself, by yourself, is to go back to what you like. Move towards what you like and leave behind any state that you do not like in regards to your desired experience or outcome. In doing so, you are freeing yourself up and removing any barriers or barricades that more or less consciously prevent your neo-conscious mind from providing all the necessary ingredients, as it were, to assist you to your desired experience. Do you follow that?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: In other words, you already have all the tools necessary, perhaps more so than the average individual, and the manner in which you concentrate actually keeps your neo-conscious mind from providing you with all of the opportunities towards your desired experience. So taking a deep breath and stepping back from that experience, that pushing that you give that actually does not produce the experience you desire and then moving towards being freed up now, moving towards your desired experience. No need to push, shove, or bully your conscious mind as if somehow or other you can beat it into submission and it will give you what you want, because it cannot. All that it can do is assist you in focusing towards your desired experience. The rest is already provided from the level of your neo-conscious self, do you follow?

ANYA: I think I do.

KRIS: Indeed, like the little engine. So you can easily suggest to yourself that you be open to the impulses and the actions and any other action that bring you that much closer to the realization of your desired experience.

ANYA: So, can I ask you a question? So when I’m deciding between trying to figure it out, what’s holding me back so that I can address it versus noticing that and just saying “Well, thank you for noticing and I understand that this is just an influence,” and I don’t have to step back and deal with that and just drop everything… so I’m trying to decide between these two things. Do I drop everything and go and figure it out… address, address, address, you know, to death until it switches into neutral, or do I just basically say “I’m noticing this influence and I would come back to the suspect and deal with it at a certain time and I choose to proceed and continue to take steps and continue to wait for the impulses” and so on and so forth.

KRIS: Indeed, now you are giving yourself only two outcomes, thus restricting or limiting your options. You could also include something along the lines that both states have their value. Whether they are valuable to you at this moment you may not know at this point in time, but you have other states that you can call upon that can be brought up from your subconscious mind in such a way as to bring you the solution, because right now you are simply focusing on the problem.

ANYA: Wow….

KRIS: Have you ever lost your car keys?

ANYA: (Laughing) Yes! Every other day!

KRIS: Indeed. And when you realize that you cannot find them, what do you do? You stop looking and you know that they will turn up.

ANYA: RIght.

KRIS: Perhaps in a place that you either had not looked in, or that you had looked in many times. However, wherever you find them is where you will find them. In a similar manner, stop squeezing your little conscious mind. There is only so much throttling it can handle before it turns blue in the face! Do you follow?

ANYA: Okay, I finally got it. I really got it.

KRIS: Indeed. So this is another approach to Triple ‘A’. Slightly different, but still works. It is acknowledging, addressing and accepting.

ANYA: Right, and what I also heard, you know, like my inspiration I received as I was listening to you about the other option is to… I can do both. I can find the time during the day when it is appropriate for me to do the addressing in whatever form or shape I want to do it, but there is the time of the day I can still continue, so I can do anything in between.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANYA: So that was a huge eye-opener suddenly, so that was where I got stuck, you know, either-or, either-or.

KRIS: Indeed, allow yourself more options. They are always there.

ANYA: And I also heard from you that I am really focusing, squeezing that poor conscious mind instead of really tapping into resources that are all over the place.

KRIS: Indeed, grabbing the chicken by the neck and insisting that the chicken give you a roast beef will not produce any satisfactory results.

ANYA: (Giggling) All right.

KRIS: Except chicken burgers!

ANYA: (Laughs) Chicken burgers! Excellent. Well, thank you so much.

KRIS: Indeed, you are welcome. Are there any other inquiries? There MUST be some other inquiries. There are many of you.

ALAN: Along this same line of talk and thought, it seems to me if you put your intent out there to accomplish certain goals, do certain things, make certain changes, whatever, and then you basically sit back and wait to see if there’s impulses and directions and you’re not getting anything, it would seem to me like you’re better off doing something that would just be like a distraction to get your focus off of let’s say, a lack of progress.

KRIS: That is correct. You are correct in that area.

ALAN: And I guess the question in that sense is… I assume there’s kind of a fine line there between having trust that your neo-conscious is actually carrying out your requests and the idea that you’re just plain wasting your time.

KRIS: Indeed. Now if you set up the conditions, for example, that you desire to have a castle made out of solid gold, surrounded by a moat of pure platinum, the windows made out of diamonds and that you will have in this castle a queen whose skin is orange, and hair purple, you are setting yourself up for a disappointment. It is first of all definitely not practical, and though it may be in the realm of possibilities that such a thing could happen, there is a likelihood that it will not happen, though there are perhaps individuals who may claim that if you only concentrate enough, it may happen. You can invest years and decades of energy attempting to bring this to fruition, but you may also be wasting years and decades of energy and frustration whilst you could easily set yourself up for something that is practical and within reach and still provide you with an extraordinary experience. Do you follow, first of all?

ALAN: Yes, I’m with you on this.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, yes it is a most practical action to follow through even a variety of impulses, even when you think — and when we say “you” right now, it is not pertinent specifically to yourself in Colorado, but to everyone else — but you may experience that certain impulses and actions do not on the surface appear related to your desired experience. And you may deliberately sabotage yourself, because though the first few steps in the direction of a journey, for instance, may seem to take you in a different direction, it may simply be a way to actually get you in your direction. Do you follow so far?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Think of it this way: When you fire a rocket ship, the rocket is aimed at a specific destination. Now if the rocket ship became sentient and began to question “Am I traveling at the correct velocity? Are the winds assisting or resisting my flight path? Am I actually flying high enough and fast enough? Perhaps I should check to see if all of the correct criteria are there to assist me in attaining my target.” Where do you think that rocket ship will end up? Not very far for sure. In a similar manner, and though the analogy is rather crude or even childish, still, many people do just that. They may even continue and question whether any action will even take them in the direction of their desired experience.

And this, if experienced, would be a rather dead giveaway that they are not following their impulses. Instead, they might even be disarming each and every impulse towards their desired destination. Thus, once you fire off the missile of your intent or desired experience, you trust that your subconscious or neo-conscious mind will guide you in the direction of your desired experience and provide the necessary steps to achieve that experience in the same way that you desired as an infant to speak, and thankfully you did not have to study the mechanisms of speech in the human body in order to utter your first “Mama” or “Dada”. Otherwise you might still trying to utter “Mama” and “Dada.” Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yeah.

KRIS: So there is a certain level of trust, of faith, within your own physiology, your own neurology. It is built-in to a certain degree and you can bank upon that. You do not have to truly know anything about the mechanisms of sight in order to appreciate the beauty of a flower or a sunset. Nor do you need to know the mechanisms of sight in order to see close, nor at a distance, nor do you have to understand the mechanics of distance, and so on and so forth in order to see the beauty of the world all around you; and so many other examples can we utilize.

Building up on that particular principle can let you know quite certainly that you are able to accomplish things even if you do not know how you are accomplishing these things. For instance, you do not have to know anything about your anatomy in order to enjoy living, breathing, your heart beating, or anything else that you do in regards to your body. Your body seems to do that with its own kind of intelligence, is that correct?

ALAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: So building upon that particular principle can go a very long ways to help the individual or yourself understand that, in setting up your intent, you simply launch the mechanisms of consciousness that will pull together and come together to provide you with the experience you desire. And following any actions along those lines leads you to that experience. It may not necessarily do so in a manner you consciously and logically expect or anticipate because its kind of logic is not built upon those principles, but a different and perhaps even superior kind of logic, the kind of logic that can bypass your conscious thoughts such as when you may decide, as a child perhaps, to hold your breath ’til you turn blue. If that kind of a mechanism could not be bypassed when you threw a temper tantrum as a child, you would already be dead. Do you follow?

ALAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: So you have a built-in mechanism that allows you to venture forth in that particular way. Build upon it, bank on it, and give yourself credit for those kinds of accomplishments which would go a long way to understanding that you can get there without necessarily knowing or needing to know exactly how you and what you need to get there. Does that answer your inquiry?

ALAN: Maybe with just one small exception. Going back to your castle of gold analogy: For someone who has never seen a castle, never been in a castle, but might be interested in finding out what it might be like to have a castle, obviously thinking about a castle of gold is going a little too far afield on a fantasy, to something that would ever be a reality…

KRIS: Correct.

ALAN: … and I think there must be another level where just simply setting your goal on a castle in more generic terms, even though that’s still a fantasy, that’s something the universe is a little more disposed to come up with? Is that the idea? I guess what I’m shooting for is how do we know when our dreams maybe just are too big or too rarefied? How much of the real world do we have to include in our fantasizing in order to really get something we’ve never gotten before?

KRIS: Indeed. Now this is also an excellent follow-up in that when you create such a fantasy you may choose to also notice all of the red flags; all of your disbeliefs that rise to the occasion as you try to convince yourself that in order to prove that conscious creation works, you will create something so phantasmagorical, so fantastic, that without a doubt, proof will now exist forever and all time, that such is possible. AND, for all intents and purposes, there is nothing that prevents you from attaining that objective excepting yourself: your disbelief in what you are trying to convince yourself to believe in when it becomes THAT much out on a limb situation. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Absolutely.

KRIS: However, if you put within your sights perhaps something slightly more modest and you notice far fewer red flags of disbelief suddenly popping up all over the horizon, then you may perhaps gather far more of your strengths towards the exploration and achievements of that outcome. But if you go ahead and create a fantasy so outrageous that even you cannot possibly believe it, then you are assured that your plan is due to fail. If even you cannot believe it, why would anyone else? Does that make sense?

ALAN: Certainly. Yes.

KRIS: Any other inquiries? (Pause) Or did everyone decide to go to bed?

ALAN: (Chuckling)

MARK: Okay, I’ve got one. This is based upon a conversation that we had in the New Jersey hotel room and I was just looking for clarification. We were talking about other focuses and how I could have another focus that has another focus that’s not another focus of mine. Did I understand that conversation correctly?

KRIS: (Pause) Which conversation were you listening to?

MARK: (Laughs) We were talking about the Romanovs and I said that I was pretty well certain that I had another focus there. Cathy asked if my other focuses now in this time period had focuses then and I said, “Well, they would have been focuses of mine,” and you came through and you spoke to me and you said that it’s not that black and white.

KRIS: And what did you finally come to understand from that?

MARK: Well, I have two possible interpretations in that…. okay, these other two focuses that are currently existing in 2008 could have other focuses of mine as well, but not some focuses that I’m particularly close to, per se? Or the other interpretation is that they have other focuses that are not other focuses of mine.

KRIS: Indeed, and you have a challenge with this.

MARK: A confusion yes. So… if we are of the same Essence and they are other focuses of mine, [that] they have other focuses that are NOT of mine would suggest a different… how do I word this…. lineage per se, where…. for instance, okay… let’s word it this way: We know that you yourself consists of sixteen plus Essences that make up your awareness. There might be many Essences, per se, that make up Philip’s awareness and in different combinations have focuses. Am I barking up the right tree?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: So, the focuses that are other focuses of mine in this time frame can have other focuses that they’re related to per se, but then not in relation to the combination of Essences that make up Mark.

ELLEN: (Cracking up)

ANYA: Ha, ha! Ellen is having a good time!

KRIS: (Humorously) Now we are certain that you have not had nearly as much wine tonight as in New Jersey!

MARK: (Laughs) No no!

KRIS: Put it this way: Consciousness, including Essence, also has its own kind of affiliations and family affiliations can be quite different from the kinds of affiliations that you experience through your physical life. You may have best friends in this lifetime, and your best friends may also have best friends.

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: You may happen to be one of their best friends, but they may have other best friends but it does not mean that their best friends are automatically your best friends.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Does that make some sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Though they may also be your best friends, but they do not have to be your best friends because they are the best friends of your best friends.

ALAN: (Laughing)

MARK: (Smiling) Yes, I’m getting it actually. That was the first understanding that I had, whereas in the Romanov period, for instance, Mark would have a focus that… okay, sort of a counterpart… and this other focus from this timeframe could have another focus that they’re counterparted with. There’s a link, be it emotional or psychological or whatever, through experiences that link those two focuses together, whereas I may not be linked to that other focus through any of these linkages.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Okay, all right. That does make sense to me.

KRIS: Does it make sense to others?

MARK: So if I’m going to summarize here, put it in my words: My Essence has many, many, many focuses. Those individual focuses are interconnected to each other through…. whatever… experiences… but not all of them are linked. Some of them are threaded, so what I may interpret as a past life has no emotional, psychological or physical linkage in any way, shape or form to another. They’re not threaded. There’s no commonality. They’re just different.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there any other inquiries? You are usually all so much more rambunctious!

ELLEN: I don’t have an inquiry per se, just some observations and a lot of pondering I’ve been doing…

KRIS: You may need to speak slightly louder.

ELLEN: I’m sorry, I’ll move in a little closer. I just have had some observations as I’ve been delving a little deeper into this aspect psychology. And one is that my dreams of totem animals have changed lately. It’s especially interesting because, likewise with a lot of other dreams of my focuses or aspects, my relationship with animals in dreams has become more trusting and even affectionate. I’m noticing a bonding that is occurring.

There is a sense of warmth and companionship and trust, dependability, and all of a sudden I feel great affection – both ways – particularly with the animals in dreams that I used to have more of a conflict or issues with, such as the horse, the lion and the snake. There’s been a tremendous change. And along with that, I have experienced in waking reality more of a congruency with those aspects that I recognize as my past life aspects.

For instance, the Charlie personality. A case in point: recently when I was responding to John’s post on one of the forums where he spoke about one of the people on “The View,” Elizabeth Hasselbeck, and I wrote a post in response and that post was actually a beautifully orchestrated combination of me and Charlie together writing it. And although it was my perspective, he aided me with his perspective and I could sense a great deal of excitement underneath my own endeavor in writing it because he was able to offer his perspectives that he had been unable to express back in that time frame.

And his perspectives and my perspectives just beautifully meshed without taking away from each other. And…. really that’s just… I don’t know… that’s just an observation of what’s going on. What I’m realizing is how — and I know you’ve spoken of this before, but now I’m really feeling it — now I’m really experiencing that their wisdom, their experience and their knowledge can add to our own, and we can both benefit from them so that what [Charlie] might have wanted to offer to the world in his time, he’s now able to do it, not through me, but along with me, I guess.

KRIS: Indeed. We have mentioned on a few occasions that you actually have many minds. You have more than one mind.

ELLEN: Yeah, that’s just one example, too.

KRIS: Indeed, and it is a highly practical and relevant example that — this other mind you have opened up to — you have been able to open some corridor of communication through your emotions in a very strong way and this invariably aids in nurturing who and what you are. You may not venture in those other areas of consciousness without deriving powerful, beneficial influences. Thus, your own intelligence, emotional and otherwise, becomes strengthened and expanded as you need it. This also incorporates this other intelligence, for the sake of using the word, such as it too needs that connection for its own growth. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yes! Yes.

KRIS: So you are expanding in awareness. That is a very multi-layered experience. When you expand in awareness, all of your minds in any way available to them make it so that, in their own way, they also benefit. And vice versa. If you join a bowling league for instance: say you have not had much experience but are very willing to learn the game and you become quite proficient at it. You are not the only one that gains, but the whole team gains because you have strengthened their bond and their ability to win. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: So working as a multi-dimensional being, you greatly benefit.

ELLEN: Is this why the dreams of the animals have changed the way they have? Just to sort of substantiate what I’m learning here?

KRIS: Indeed, you are giving yourself feedback.

ELLEN: Okay.

KRIS: And you are giving it to yourself in a way that is familiar to you, through the venue of your dreams, because you trust the information and the content that come from your subconscious.

ELLEN: Yeah, because these… I don’t know if you would refer to the animals as aspects also, but…

KRIS: Indeed! They are aspects of your energies. They simply present themselves in that form.

ELLEN: They symbolized a great deal of mistrust I had for a long time in myself and now I’m regaining that trust, is that right?

KRIS: Indeed. You are becoming more certain of yourself. And it would certainly be to your advantage to state that you are becoming more CONFIDENT instead of asking “Am I becoming more confident?”

ELLEN: (Laughing) Oh, I KNOW I’m becoming more confident, I was just unsure whether that was the correct interpretation of what I was…

KRIS: The correct interpretation is the one you confidently offer.

ELLEN: Okay, good, yeah. Okay, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed! And our best wishes when you transcribe this.

ELLEN: (Chuckling)

KRIS: Now if we do not ask if there are other inquiries or questions, will someone take the initiative and step in?

ALAN: I’d like to follow up on a little of something that Ellen brought up.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: And in this whole realm of looking around for other aspects of ourselves, of some of the other minds that we may be, a distinction seems to arise to me between becoming aware that there are other aspects of ourselves “out there” let’s say, and the other side would be something that I believe I experienced recently which was I actually incorporated a formerly rejected aspect into my main focus personality to the extent that I think and I feel differently about myself.

KRIS: Indeed, and you immediately felt the rippling effect move throughout your old psychological self.

ALAN: And so is this really the goal that we are after, to be able to incorporate into our ego structure as many of these aspects as are of use to us, or is there just a combination of these things where we become aware of some things that, let’s say we tend to keep outside of ourselves and others we choose to pull in and incorporate within our primary experience.

KRIS: It may not be a matter of this being a goal as much as to be practical. And if you notice that somehow or other, you have a need in that direction, you can, since you have the tools, you can go and add to whom and what you are. And since this would also be in line with your own value fulfillment, you trusting that this functions the way it functions, then indeed, when the need arises is an indication that you can go in that direction. Do what you need to do and nothing more. You do not have to be on the alert 24/7 for any little old aspect that may have run away from home at an early age, but you may certainly derive a great deal of benefit in responding to those communications when there is a need to. Do you follow?

ALAN: Right, and I guess the other side of that is that no aspect would come in unbidden and there’s not going to be an influx of them when you catch yourself at a weak moment.

KRIS: That is correct. You are definitely not necessarily Macy’s on Christmas Eve, waiting for a mad influx of last minute shoppers. So you do not need fear that you will be invaded or overwhelmed by those demanding aspects. The self does not function in that fashion unless you make so many demands on yourself that you overwhelm yourself and then choose to blame it on something else.

ALAN: Right.

KRIS: The self is not necessarily a fortress that you must guard, nor is it a fortress of solitude, but it is an ever-expanding universe. All of your beautiful theories in astronomy and astrophysics about the Big Bang theory, about dark matter, about black holes, about the expanding universe and so on and so forth; all of these, unbeknownst to your lovely astronomers and astrophysicians or physicists, individuals and researchers and scientists, are actually reflections of your own ever-expanding experience of yourself as it unfolds naturally and richly from the bed of its own experiences.

The stars appear in the firmament just as thoughts and aspects and selves appear in time and space. The galaxies travel within the vast expanse of space as easily as thought complexes travel through the firmament of your psychology because the universe as you know it and understand it is an expression of yourself. So it stands to reason that as you grow, so will it. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Sure does!

KRIS: Now how would you like a small break?

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: That will give you time to dream up some very interesting inquiries.

[Break at 8:43 PM. Kris returns at 8:49 PM]

KRIS: Now you have divised questions, inquiries and other subject matters?

LISA: Yes, I have just a quick question on dreams and I think a lot of us go through experiences when we’re dreaming and in the dream we wake up and we act as if it’s real life and then we end up waking up again. And sometimes this happens not just once, but two times in a dream and I was kind of just wondering what we’re actually doing there.

KRIS: Indeed, you might certainly not be alone with that kind of experience. Now, you are all wonderful storytellers. Your lives are the stories you tell yourselves. You also tell yourselves wonderful stories when you sleep. And those stories are just as sharp in contrast to anything else as are your daily waking stories. There are occasions when your conscious mind — often partially and sometimes even mostly left behind when you venture towards the other kinds of stories in your dreams — the conscious mind suddenly recognizes that there is a story going on and it is going on without its input!

And it is in some ways similar to realizing “How could this be? A story going on, and I am not involved? How could that be?” And in those fragile moments, it is as if an additional window of awareness opens up often not unlike a cold breeze resulting from the open window as a portion of your conscious mind suddenly wakes up within the dream which is already in full bloom and it may very quickly recede and that action takes you out of your story and into your other story, the one where you are telling yourself you are sleeping. Does that make some sense to you?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: So by making deliberate and conscientious efforts to understand the stories you are telling, you gain much insightfulness and awareness. It becomes even more interesting when someone tells themselves a story, as everyone tells themselves a story, and then they believe that the story they are telling themselves is actually someone else’s creation that becomes interwoven and into the fabric of the story. It is not unlike the writer or even the cartoonist, drawing his cartoons, suddenly believing that perhaps he too may be a cartoon drawn by another cartoonist. That would simply be a story he is telling himself, but he may come to believe it until he realizes that he made that story all on his own. Do you follow?

LISA: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Now do you have other interesting stories to tell? (Pause) Have you all run out of stories then?

MARK: You want to go for it, Anya? (Anya had proposed a question during break)

ANYA: Okay. I want to ask a question about maybe an official probability. Let’s just say from the perspective of 2090, my life already unfolded in a certain way — and I’m not talking about destiny or anything. I’m just saying there is a certain line that’s already going based on the decisions that I’m making right now, and if I look at 2008 as the past from the perspective of 2090. And I also remember the comment that Seth was making to Jane Roberts about how there was a line of Jane Roberts going on in the official line, but Jane was making decisions that was changing that story.

And the thought that kept coming to me, for example, when I was visualizing creating a relationship, I wanted certain aspects, I wanted my future partner to have certain aspects of personality that I would like to experience in a relationship and then when I created the person as I was looking at him today I was thinking “What if I was not really creating him? What if it is was more that I was intuiting what kind of a person, you know, maybe one of the probabilities of the relationship that I had”… so I guess my observation or question is, when I am creating something, a portion of this creation, even if I’m thinking right now that I’m creating something from scratch, I think in reality a portion of it is really intuiting some of the probabilities that are maybe more likely for me to happen from my now. Do you have any comments on that?

KRIS: Our comments might end up being much less winded than your inquiry!

ANYA: (Smiling) Okay!

KRIS: Now, you create — and whether you create or intuit, you might find it interesting that the two work hand in hand — but when you create, you create as many variables as is possible for you to draw on as large a pool of wisdom and knowledge and experience as possible, even into lines of development that ultimately, in their own unfolding, end up having nothing to do with you in the long run, taking their own lines of development well beyond their own barriers.

Now, whether you have a focus or an expression or a probable self in 2090 that may be partially influenced by some of your actions in this now, in THAT now — 2090 now — that self still has its own values that may end up being quite distinctly different from yours and may still incorporate certain traces but in a way you might not recognize. And you would derive a certain kind of benefit certainly, but these decisions, these influences would come in ways you might never be able to identify even if this thought came into your mind.

At the same time, they might also be simultaneously influenced from the now of 2090. Is it possible that this 2090 self wondered about some of the past selves and how 2090′s influences and decisions might reverberate into 2008 and what would that look like? And it would end up in part being yourself and yet, something different from 2090 all the same. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: So you do create varieties of influences from which you draw, understandings, wisdom, knowledge, and so on. You never leave yourself bereft of any opportunities. You may choose to do so, you may tell yourself that in a story, but it doesn’t mean that the story is true, but you will behave as if it is true. That is the nature of perception or consciousness. Do you follow?

ANYA: Right.

KRIS: Now we are certain that the reply was at least a few words shorter than your inquiry.

ANYA: (Laughs)

KRIS: The main thing to keep in mind is that you always work with vast fields of influences, whether you understand them or not, you will always work with them. Please continue.

ANYA: So it is very natural that I might end up — or not — being an aspect of this self in 2090, right?

KRIS: Indeed.

ANYA: Not even will be, but…

KRIS: There is always a likelihood of anything happening, and the more you offer yourself open door options, the more beneficial it is all the way around.

ANYA: Right, and it is also my understanding that for example, from some other reality, I might be what I am right now official for me and for all of us right now supposedly talking, I might be a version of the probable self of something else, right?

KRIS: Indeed, another self may look at you and consider you to be the probable.

ANYA: Right.

KRIS: Perhaps even questionable, but that is for them to decide… We are being facetious here!

ANYA: (Giggling)

KRIS: It is a natural observation to consider oneself as the important focus and all the others as probable, or merely other focuses, but for all intents and purposes, you might be someone else’s focus.

ANYA: Right.

KRIS: And you are not diminished in any shape or form. Does someone else have an inquiry? Who has not spoken yet?

BRIAN: I haven’t but I’m doing really good, Kris, and no questions over here.

KRIS: Indeed. And you are certain you have no inquiries?

BRIAN: Well….

KRIS: There it is!

BRIAN: (Chuckling) All right.

KRIS: You can say we twisted your arm.

BRIAN: No. I’m nursing a cold here. I’m just listening while eating my chicken noodle soup, but…. all right. The “atmospheric presence” that William James speaks about and Jane Roberts with her codicils in “Psychic Politics” — I find very intriguing. In fact Jane lays out a whole map for our civilization, which I find to be excellent and quite intriguing. And if it would be followed would greatly, greatly be superb for our civilization.

KRIS: You may find that this particular model that Ruburt depicts comes from an idealized global or racial value fulfillment. Something the race aspires to. And it does not mean that if it does not present validation of what is on the map then the journey has failed. These are simply models with every potential possibility also being explored as to what suits your species best in terms of experiences. And since there are over six or so billion of you, then you could say that this is quite a bag of value fulfillment in the making. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Oh yeah!

KRIS: The atmospheric presence you find very intriguing. In fact, we would venture to say that there has likely been more than one occasion when in pondering this atmospheric presence you can capture your own experience of it, your own translation of it.

BRIAN: Most definitely what he refers to as “Summerland” I feel on many, many a day, I feel that atmospheric presence, yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now if you were to take a few moments, when you have a few moments during the day, and turn your mind’s eye, turn your awareness to this atmospheric presence and actually let yourself drink it in as if somehow or other the pores of your skin were to open up and draw this atmospheric presence into your body, into your awareness, you might find a great deal of benefit.

BRIAN: Hmm! I got a big smile on my face right now.

KRIS: Indeed! So do take an opportunity to put this into effect.

BRIAN: Thank you. I shall. You didn’t have to twist my arm, Kris.

KRIS: Now are there any other inquiries or do you have enough to ponder right now? (Pause) Then that may mean that you have had enough for the evening, that you are satisfied like after eating a very nice Thanksgiving meal, or at least a bowl of chicken soup!

BRIAN: That’s right! Tasty, too!

KRIS: Thus we thank you for your lovely consideration and allow yourselves to simply open up to more of what you are. And with that we return Joseph to you.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

Private Session with Ella (New Jersey)

October 17, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Private session with Ella
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, September 29, 2008

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

ELLA: Yes, thank you. Hello Kris.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration in spite of your present situation.

ELLA: I thank you for being available. Much appreciated.

KRIS: Now this may not take the usual amount of time when we hold a discussion with an individual, but there are definitely some very nice suggestions that can be brought to you and to work with your neo-conscious mind. Suffice it to know that anxieties such as what you have experienced are, like everything else, a behavior. That is important to know. It is not a malady or an illness; it is a behavior, just like someone dancing because they won the lottery — though in this case you did not win the lottery!  Just like someone exhibiting the symptoms of diabetes or any other condition. Do you follow?

ELLA: Yes, and I understand actually what you are trying to say.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, this behavior, anxiety, is in a class of actions and behaviors that have to do with the recognition of fear which wants to generate a fight-or-flight action and since there were no visible, no discernible sources to generate fear within you, there was still the behavior and response of whether to fight or flight. Flee away, run away. The human body in those moments is often unable to make the distinction whether the source of the fear is real or imaginary and in those states it thus reacts as if it were real, thus causing, literally, a mad onrush, a flushing of adrenalin and other hormones that throw the heartbeat out of kilter, the muscular reactions out of sync with reality and gives the response as if you literally are being chased by an unknown.

ELLA: That’s an extremely precise description.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you mentioned to Joseph once or twice already, about doing something perhaps well intentioned but inappropriate. What did you mean? Can you clarify that?

ELLA: Yes… I will briefly re-summarize. For two years already I have a dog which I am very attached to, and I think she is perfect in every way and the only one area of miscommunication — or at least I perceive it as miscommunication that we have is… uh, what she eats is clashing with some of my aspects beliefs about food. And so a part of me agrees that she can eat whatever she wants and it goes on for awhile and then the other part of me that has more strict or more official reality beliefs about food starts getting worried that I’m not being a proper mother and that could cause dog health issues later.

And I went already through three or four of these cycles, just not as severe; what I was trying to basically very forcefully by withholding food to try and convince that poor animal to eat whatever I give her. Again with best intentions, but her will is pretty strong, so I gave up in those previous cycles, after she didn’t eat for four days. And I’m telling that to you because that’s how I relate to it, but I also realized that this had nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with me.

KRIS: Correct.

ELLA: I do realize that.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: But in the context of this –

KRIS: In other words, your involvement with…. you call the dog “Leeloo”?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Your involvement with Leeloo is a metaphor for another situation, or other situations that you have experienced in your life that may need clarification, and it may involve a battle of wills, a struggle to be understood and to communicate, perhaps even with your own mother.

ELLA: Is it okay for me to interject…?

KRIS: And there are also issues with your communications with your own child.

ELLA: That’s exactly where I was going, that was what I wanted to say. That very much portrays to me…. I do not so much feel any more…. Let me say it this way: There may be some suppressed issues with regard to my mother and — not because she did anything wrong, but related — and that may be, but I don’t perceive them affecting me as much, but periodically they come up. But the one with my son definitely, a number of times during this period, when I started it again, I said “What I’m doing right now with Leeloo mirrors what I would like to accomplish with my son.”

KRIS: Indeed. Now you do understand that you will not be able to send Leeloo to college and university?

ELLA: I… that is not a problem for me, just a big relief!

KRIS: Indeed, and she cannot get the car key to the car!

ELLA: (Laughing) Yes, that all is okay, but what I am seeing is that I am…. Before I started this exercise, I felt that it’s always very difficult for me to be persistent in the past and yet right now I am strong enough to go as far as it takes, sort of set my intent at the end of which, this is what I would like to accomplish.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: And go with it, but it seems to be that in my aspect work and everything, what I did was somehow miss something. Was I too harsh, or… I don’t understand what I’ve done.

KRIS: You may not have done anything wrong at all. What we perceive is that you intended to clear the issue once and for all. Thus, utilizing your inner senses, you brought back far too many memories, far too many issues to deal with all in one sitting, per se.

ELLA: That’s how I feel –

KRIS: It is like realizing that you need to do laundry and you may hold back for a while and then you decide that now you can no longer hold back in doing the laundry. You will do not only the laundry you need to do, but you will do everybody else’s laundry in the neighborhood and that is much too much to do.

ELLA: Mmhm that is exactly how it feels.

KRIS: Thus, you may have to ask your neighbors to do their own damn laundry!

ELLA: And that’s what I’m debating… I don’t understand… See, I dearly still would like to…. This ties into what you said before, this fight or flight, so the stronger part of me, the part that I guess is shifting a little bit, still feels that it’s not necessarily about fight, but feels that it would like to continue being persistent without being worried or anything, just doing it. But the other part that feels so overwhelmed is in this pre-flight situation. And I don’t understand… what do I give it to make it feel more….

KRIS: Indeed. Now, in such situations, since your conscious mind has already alerted you that it is being overwhelmed with the intention of your task, it is quite likely that you need to go deeper than the conscious mind. Thus, when you say that you do not understand, that may relate strictly to the conscious mind and the conscious mind may not necessarily need to understand all the details, but it may only need to know that something bigger than itself is handling the situation, because if something bigger than itself is handling the situation and taking care of it, then it need not worry that much. Do you follow?

ELLA: I follow and I feel that I am doing it when I am doing the aspect work and then, I’m asking that…. maybe….Maybe I’m… you know how many times you’re saying you go ninety percent but because you do not see the end of this road, you don’t know you are only ten percent away from some sort of a major accomplishment and then you feel you are ready to give up.

KRIS: Indeed, that is quite correct and thus what we would like to do with you is a very nice and gentle induction that actually takes you through that last ten percent. Now you are sitting comfortably?

ELLA: I just have to move my dog…. Okay, she’s behind me, so it’s okay. Yes.

KRIS: Now, this type of work is rather ambiguous. It uses a specific type of language structure and initially we will ask you in the induction to simply answer yes or no, and there will come a time when it is irrelevant whether you want to answer or not, whether you want to think about it or not, just let it happen. And once you get into that stage, we will do the work. Your subconscious mind will hear every single word and will be able to properly assist you. All you need do is listen, and then we will take you out of that state.

ELLA: Okay.

KRIS: Indeed then, with your eyes open, sitting comfortably, just be mellow, and we will begin now. Have you ever been in a trance before right now?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Did you experience that state as being similar to the waking state or different from the waking state?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Can you find a spot on a wall, on your desk, somewhere you would look at comfortably?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. As you comfortably continue looking at that spot for a while, do your eyelids want to blink?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Will those lids blink one time, twice, or three times before they close altogether?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Rapidly or more slowly?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Will they just close now or will they flutter all by themselves first?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Will the eyes close more and more as you get more and more relaxed?

(There is distracting background noise)

ELLA: Can you hold a second?

KRIS: Yes.

(Ella asks Barry to leave the room)

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Just to repeat now: with the eyes closed more and more as you get more and more relaxed.

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: That’s right. Can those eyes just stay closed as your comfort? Able to go deeper, just like when you go to sleep?

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: Can your comfort go more and more deeply inside so that you would rather not even try to open your eyes? Or would you rather really try in vain and find you cannot?

ELLA: No.

KRIS: And just when will you soon forget about them altogether because your unconscious wants to dream and go deeper and deeper now, forgetting about eyes, forgetting about everything but this beautiful moment… Now, we both know that you can scare yourself because you have an active mind and a reactive body and if you think that scary thing, even for a brief moment it has been scaring you, but we also both know that there are other things you can think that are comfortable and calming; relaxing and reassuring thoughts or images that you can use instead to replace those other thoughts to help yourself relax, to maintain that relaxed, calm feeling.

You can let your unconscious mind learn all it needs to know to be able to distract you from those scary thoughts, to be able to provide you with those relaxing thoughts and we think you will enjoy being happily unconcerned, unable to remember to worry in exactly the same way or at the same time. So from now on, when you enter that situation, you can enter it knowing you are protected and can tell that part of you that tries to do its job by telling you that there are things to be afraid of here, that you really don’t need it any more.

And so it can either go away or find a different game to play and remind you now instead of the good things that might happen here or the fun things that might occur later, because those old thoughts and fears aren’t useful any more so you can relax and forget it and go on about your business, surprised to discover perhaps that you have been thinking about something else entirely and you will know at that point, deep down in every cell of your body that you won’t ever have to feel that again, that it is over and done with more rapidly than you expected though not as soon as you would have liked.

You can do it now, you can do it later, you can frighten yourself with that thought, or you can calmly relax yourself with a different thought. That’s right. So practice and choose, because it all belongs to you. And in a moment we will count from ten to one and we want you to awaken one-tenth of the way with each number and at one you will open your eyes fully awake and aware, calm and feeling good about yourself in every way. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.

Take a deep breath, eyes open now, feeling good about yourself in every way, refreshed, good inside, good outside, good everywhere. And Joseph will send you the recording shortly. Extract the induction and try to listen to it before you fall asleep, and if possible, before you go to work to fix your mind in a lovely state.

ELLA: Did you mean that before I go to work, I don’t need to listen to this induction but I need to set my good state? Is that what you said?

KRIS: You can listen to the induction before you go to work if there is time, so that you have a good state.

ELLA: Okay, because I also do that anchoring exercise that you gave us before. I mean, there are many things you’ve offered that I use.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: And I’ll definitely do the induction.

KRIS: How do you feel now?

ELLA: Sort of the way I felt after the CMI session. I felt emotionless, which for me right now is a good thing.

KRIS: Indeed, and that is excellent. Now you have things to do and Joseph has his cooking to look after.

ELLA: Yes!

KRIS: But we thank you for your consideration and specifically for being so patient with yourself.

ELLA: So, just as a last question: You do not suggest that I abandon what I’m doing, simply help myself to do what I’m doing.

KRIS: Correct. And be kind and patient with yourself.

ELLA: Okay, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you and return Joseph to you now.

ELLA: Bye Kris.

Kris Radio: Suicide

October 16, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 16, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Oh, hi, Mark. My, you’re very animated this evening. Um-hmm. How lovely. Ah yes, thank you very much. And of course we have our friend, Serge.

SERGE: Howdy doody. Okely, Dokely.

MARK: Okely, Dokely? Welcome back to another Thursday night here on Kris Radio. And we’ve had a . . . How’s your week been, John?

JOHN: Well it’s been a very interesting week for me, now that you mention it. We had a humdinger of a “Change the World” on Tuesday night.

MARK: Absolutely. We should tell the people what “Change the World” is.

JOHN: “Change the World”, that’s when you want to actually change the world. . No, ah, “Change the World” . . .

[Mark chuckles.]

SERGE: [Facetiously] From blue to green perhaps, or red to yellow. [Serge laughs.]

JOHN: This is a Skype workshop series that Kris has been conducting for, I believe, eight weeks now. But you know he’s always got something up his sleeve. And at the very end of the eighth session . . .

MARK: Which was supposed to be the last.

JOHN: Yes. Ah, I believe it was Alette . . .

MARK: Marit.

JOHN: . . . Marit asked a question about how this all related to The Speakers. And Kris came through and said, “Oh, I’m glad you asked that question. We’ve been waiting for somebody to ask it. And how would you like to have a bonus session?” So anyway, long story short, we had a bonus session on Tuesday. And he gave us what for me, I think, was the deepest meditation or . . .

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: . . . adventure in practice. How did you experience it?

MARK: I can’t tell you how profound it was for me. But before I continue, I just want to bring Alan into the conversation here. Alan?

ALAN: Hey guys.

MARK: There he is. How are you?

ALAN: I’m great. How’re you all doin’?

MARK: We were just talking about “Change the World”.

ALAN: Yeah. And it’s doin’ it.

MARK: No kidding. Isn’t it? Um . ..

ALAN: It is absolutely goin’ on.

MARK: Kris has been doing, over the years now, last two years, these Skype workshops. Skype is a means of communication over the Internet that’s absolutely free. And we’ve got the CMI “Consciousness Mentoring Institute“. And there was Phase 1 and there’s Phase 2, which is ongoing. There has been “Dreams of the Gods” which has been amazing, which is now on sale at dreamsofthegods.net. But then we just did this one called “So You Want to Change the World”. And it was supposed to be eight nights. And we ended up with a bonus night.

JOHN: Yep.

MARK: But I tell ya’, this “Change the World” was a humdinger of a workshop.

JOHN: Yes, it was. Um, it seems to me that, um, well we were talking actually before the show, was, did he give us those four rules in “Change the World”? Yeah. I think he did. Yeah. Kris has given us four rules for, uh, the four . . .

MARK: The four common mistakes.

JOHN: The four biggest . . .

[Sirens heard in the background.]

SERGE: And one of them includes sirens.

JOHN: No. [Mark laughs.] Okay.

SERGE: I don’t see flames yet.

JOHN: Anyway. . . Rule number two is that if you don’t like, you can’t change something that you don’t like. And that one has been a real good one. It’s working its way through my neural connections. But anyway the workshop, the meditation that he did on Tuesday night was, really it was to . . . We talked about The Speaker energy and how it expresses itself in Nature so often. But then he said, “You know, it’s all very well to chat about these things intellectually, but how would you guys actually like to go into a little adventure inwardly and, and get up close and personal with your Speaker aspect?” And of course, being fools, we all said, “Sure. Let’s do that.”

[Laughter.]

MARK: I think we were quite brilliant to bring that one on.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: That workshop, that meditation, took it from the intellect into the esoteric. And man, that was incredible. Alan, why don’t you talk about your perspective of this workshop? [No response.] Oh, he’s gone.

JOHN: That will be why he won’t be talkin’ about it

MARK: Exactly.

JOHN: But anyway, what happened was that he then said, “Oh, I’m so glad that you enjoyed that,” because everybody thought it was amazing, which of course, it was. And then he said, “Oh, how would you like four more evenings?” And so suddenly, what was an eight evening Skype workshop suddenly became nine, and now there’s four more have been added. So it’s, you know, help me with the math here, I believe that’s thirteen. So, ah, anyway, what I wanted to just share with people is that these Skype workshops that Kris is doing, um, in a series, are really, really worth the investment in time and energy.

MARK: And they are worth their weight in gold.

JOHN: And because, I mean, I would say that you have at least the impact of a two-day actual physical, being there, workshop. Not to take anything away from that, but being able to hook up with Skype for free, and listen for a couple of hours one night a week . . .

MARK: And that group energy is absolutely incredible.

JOHN: Yes. Yeah. You get to know each other and, . . .

MARK: I sometimes hang out on the line after the workshop’s over, and some people just hang in there and talk about it, and great conversations. I think we have Alan back. Are you there, Alan?

ALAN: Yeah. I’ve been havin’ some connection problems, but hopefully this will hang on for a while.

MARK: I was just wondering if you wanted to give your perspective of “Change the World”?

ALAN: Um, well I can honestly say that mine has changed as a result of probably not only that workshop but also the CMI. And I managed to integrate, uh, a self that I lost when I was six years old. And that goes right to Kris’ imaginary playmate and losing your imagination and shutting it down. And once I made the connection and reintegrated that, uh, my entire perception of myself has changed.

MARK: Wow.

ALAN: So I give all the credit in the world to these forces and what they allow to happen.

JOHN: So, uh, there was a six-year-old imaginative little fella that you basically shut down, but you found him and resurrected him, right?

ALAN: Yeah. My parents told me that I had basically buried Alexander in the front yard when he died ‘cause they used to set a place at the table for him. And last Sunday I made the connection. Of course, I had known for some time that not only had he died, I’d actually killed him. And I finally made the connection that this was also my imagination. And that was the piece of my personality that I always seemed to be missing. So it was like I reunited a huge chunk of myself, uh, just within a few moments once I made the right connections. And it’s knowing, knowing it can be done and going through the work to do it, through the workshops and all, that’s really let that happen. So I couldn’t be more pleased with the way things are going.

JOHN: Oh, good.

MARK: That’s amazing. ‘Cause, yeah, that imagination is definitely an aspect of self and it’s tied directly into the intuition, a very important part of the human aspect of the personality, an aspect of the personality that we, as children, are taught to ignore. And your parents had you bury the damn thing! That’s incredible.

ALAN: No, actually that was on my own initiative. But the interesting thing, and maybe there’s some relevance here, there’s been some, a lot of conversation on the Skype chat about, uh, just the opposite. And that is how to exit this life painlessly by your own hand and the idea that, say if this dream isn’t working out for you, uh, then why not just end it and go to another one. And that’s been a thread going on here while we were waiting for the show to start.

MARK: Ooh.

JOHN: Well, you know, if I can just add my perspective on that. Since the, uh, since we’re, ah, the captain of our ship, but our ship is a huge nuclear submarine that we don’t understand all the technical complexities of, if you follow me there, um, what that means to me is that . . . It seems to me that if we simply said to our whole self, “Look, you know what? It’s, ah, six of one and half a dozen of the other to me whether or not I, whether or not I stick around here any longer. And so I’m just giving permission to my whole self to check us all out as, you know, if that’s appropriate, or not, if that’s appropriate. But I’m just saying, I’m opening up the window there.” And then, ah, then just live an adventurous life . . .

MARK: If I could jump in here too. From what I gather, not only from the “Change the World”, “So You Want to Change the World” workshop, but from all the Kris material, the Kris workshops and radio shows, what I get is that you’re never, ever, bereft of tools and abilities to change your world and your reality. And you know, suicide is an extreme. Yes, it is an option. But it’s . . . people have so many options.

JOHN: Right. But I mean, a person, you know, I just, a person who is in that state, it may be a very real thing for them, you know.

MARK: Like I said, it is an option but it’s a very extreme option.

ALAN: It’s entirely real. There have been times in my life in the past when I’ve been there and I can really sympathize with this. But I think what you really want to have, is you want to have a life, you want to reintegrate parts of yourself that you’re missing, and the way that it comes out is you want to end your life. But that’s actually not what you want at all. And you just get frustrated with not being able to experience the world the way you would like to, and you think your only option is to end it. But I think, I agree with you. This material is, you know, just proves the contrary, that you actually can find what you’re looking for, and oh, by the way, here’s the tools to do it.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And your consideration is always appreciated.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now the subject matter of suicide ideation is often perceived as a measure of last resort simply because the believer of that idea may, at that time, consider that there are no other options, even when thousands of options leap in your face. Because there is a fixation, a fascination, and perhaps even an obsession with the subject matter, then any option offered is thrown aside because it seems that nothing in life is going the way the individual wants, even if the individual does not know what he or she wants. So there is a great deal of quantification of generalizations, such that the individual may not recognize what is up and what is down. But suicide may be a great idea, to the exclusion of all other ideas. It is an extremely touchy subject matter. Of that there can be no doubt.

And the major difficulty, especially for those involving themselves in these kinds of subject matters or discussions, New Age materials, metaphysics, conscious creation and so on and so forth, is simply because as Sohars pointed out, ten percent is guiding the ninety percent. And the ten- percent thinks that what it wants must be what must come about NOW. The difficulty is assigning functions to the conscious mind is simply not equipped and never will be equipped to handle or create. The conscious mind, for all intents and purposes, is an instrument of focusing. Thus, that means that the conscious mind is not in charge. And when you insist the conscious mind be in charge, then you are looking for challenges and difficulties that you are ill equipped to handle. It is like tying the horses to the buggy and the driver decides to tell the horses, “Well, you go on your merry way. I’m simply going to take a nap in the hay in the back of the buggy.” Thinking that of course everything will be as the driver thinks. It is indeed putting one’s self in a precarious position. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes, I think so.

KRIS: By utilizing your conscious mind you can give direction by focusing. But you cannot use the conscious mind to create with. That is not what it is meant for. And by insisting that the sheer power of your will must get you what you want is creating additional static that creates a great deal of difficulties and inner conflict. You are overloading the conscious mind’s circuitry. Its abilities are taxed to the maximum because it may try to do as you so command, but it cannot. That means, therefore, that the other ninety percent, you may call it your subjective, your unconscious, your subconscious, your neo-conscious mind, the rest of that ninety percent is what does the conscious creation.

You, as a conscious being, give direction. You give focus. But you cannot do much more than allow that the other ninety-percent does what it is created to do. When you interfere, when you insist that it is only as you command or wish to see, that must be done in only that way, that you constantly hit the brick walls. Do you follow?

MARK: Um-hmm.

KRIS: And herein lies one of the key secrets that is unfortunately not spoken about in “The Secret”, but it is one of the key secrets, and an important one, is the power of habits, not rabbits, not hobbits, [Laughter.], habits. And this is not a reference to nuns. [Laughter.]

You have an amazing capacity as human beings, as conscious creatures, to direct your focus, and in this way then, drop it into your neo-conscious mind. You create habits. How may times have smokers suddenly realized they have just put a cigarette to their lips and lit it, without any conscious thought whatsoever? Very often. People who drive a good deal get in the car and suddenly realize they are at their destination. They may not even remember how they got there. There are millions of other habits that you engage all the time. And habituating yourself to self sabotaging, self defeating behavior, is just as potent and it works just as well as habituating yourself to behavior that is nourishing, nurturing and supportive of your intent. It works both ways. It cannot, not work, either way. The point is to create the habits that support your intent. And as we suggested earlier, your intent is often not what you think it is. It is not your thoughts about what you think. Do you remember that?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Now, habits are interesting creatures. And you may not even notice that you create habits all the time. And there are even individuals who may claim, “Yes, but they are not fond of routines.” Truth be told, whether you realize it or not, you are all creatures of habit. Even when you claim when YOU are an exception and are not a creature of habit, what do you do when you wake up in the morning?

JOHN: About a hundred and fifty things, absolutely the same, every single morning.

KRIS: What is one of the first things you do when you wake up?

JOHN: I have a pee.

KRIS: Apart from that. [Mark laughs.] Most people open their eyes.

JOHN: Oh, all right.

KRIS: Now there is a habit if ever there was one.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Do you have to consciously go to each and every little muscle that is attached to your eyelids and consciously command them to open as soon as you become aware of waking inside your body? Indeed not. If you did, you might not want to open them. The strain and effort of the mental capacities alone would likely short-circuit some of your neurons. What else is habitual?

JOHN: Oh yeah, getting out of bed and having something to eat and putting the kettle on and checking my email.

KRIS: Indeed. All while you mentally muse on a hundred different things at once. You do all of these mental and physical actions without giving it a second thought. Now, for those who like to claim they are not creatures of routine or habit, please look carefully at what you do. You may tell yourself something but the reality is entirely different. You are all creatures of habit.

JOHN: Actually I have a wonderful demonstration of that, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: For anybody, who doesn’t think that they are a creature of habit, try brushing your teeth tomorrow morning with the wrong hand. It’ll take about half an hour.

KRIS: If you manage to do it at all. Now, since you can use that power to your benefit, it would thus behoove anyone to keep limiting and self-sabotaging habits going, would it not?

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: To keep them going?

KRIS: Is it beneficial to keep them going?

JOHN: No.

MARK: Absolutely not.

KRIS: Indeed then, it is to your advantage to utilize your abilities to create the kinds of habits that nurture and support you, and stop feeding or focusing upon those habits that you no longer desire. As we have suggested, you cannot change what you do not like. The point being to develop sufficient awareness to recognize those habits that support unwanted behavior and unwanted results. Idea is powerful. Any idea that you entertain is powerful. Suicide ideation is also powerful. But is it necessarily one that you want?

JOHN: You know it’s funny, I’m just thinking that the idea of suicide, in a way, I know this is going to sound a bit odd, but we’ve been talking about creating your own reality here. In a way, suicide is about the opposite of that. It’s about destroying your own reality. I mean, after all . . .

KRIS: It is perhaps considering the ultimate discounting of self.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: We are quite familiar with many who would say that it is an entirely legitimate experience, and for that, yes. All experiences, for that matter, are legitimate. But are they necessarily desired?

JOHN: Or are they necessary?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And getting to your point there, John, is, it is often viewed as an end, as a termination. But it’s not. It might be terminating the physical body but the personality lives on. And it doesn’t end there. It keeps on.

JOHN: Yes. And in fact . . .

KRIS: It is a case then of the ends justifying the means and the means justifying the ends. And that does not work.

JOHN: Well Alan, do you think that that is, ah, addresses that issue a little bit?

ALAN: Well I can’t speak for the person involved. I mean it certainly makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve experienced a good many of those same things. Um, I think the point that sticks with me is a little metaphor that a friend of mine used to keep above his desk on a plaque that said, “It’s easy to forget when you’re up to your ass in alligators that your original intention was to drain the swamp.” And I think that’s so true of people who get in any kind of dire circumstances is they simply get overwhelmed with the present state of their own affairs and they lose that level of conscious awareness of what they were about to begin with. And I know, having been on that end of it, end of things, I know how very, very difficult it is to throw off that state of mind and simply shift your perception. And yet I realize that that’s the very thing you have to do.

KRIS: Indeed. And as we suggested, and as you mentioned, it is an extremely touchy subject matter. There are all kinds of opinions that abound on the subject. It does not take away anyone’s right to pursue that as a viable venue. But it does not necessarily mean nor imply that, because it is a viable option, therefore take that route when there could be thousands of other options. There are different kinds of suicide ideation, if you wish, or categories. One happens to be that, “If I can’t get what I want, then let me hold my breath ‘til I turn blue.” [Chuckling in the background.] Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Sure, that’ll show them.

KRIS: Indeed. It simply means, “I will show them. I will kill myself.”

JOHN: Well the other thought that comes to my mind is that, uh, you know that movie, “The Bucket List”?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: A couple of old guys and they made this list of things they wanted to do before they died. Well I think, on the day that I decided that I wanted to commit suicide, I’d make sure that I had gone through my “bucket list”. Do you know what I mean? I’d go and, you know, do all the forty-seven things that I’ve always wanted to do but never had the nerve to, because hey, you’ve got nothin’ to lose, right?

MARK: I find that, I’ve been there too. I’ve been in these deep, dark places, and I’ve been down and out. I’ve been homeless. I’ve had drug addictions. And I’ve had my own challenges and depressions. And, um, you know, those thoughts of suicide for me, and I’ve seen other people do that to, is usually not in an effort to make yourself feel better, but it’s to make other people feel bad and sorry for you in an effort to try and get what you want or what you think you want. But it’s usually not a self-fulfilling idea.

JOHN: Hmm. Yeah.

KRIS: In that you are correct. And there are other factors involved and other reasons as well for concentrating on that particular means of exit. In many respects, it is also an extremely selfish one. But it is not definitely the end of the road, since as an immortal, eternal being. You cannot simply die. For all intents and purposes those instances of suicide in the classical sense, are projections of extreme levels of self-loathing, self-hatred, self-directed anger that simply is unable to be vented. It may appear as depression. It may appear as sadness and so on and so forth. But the underlying currents are related to literally volcanic degrees of emotional conflict that simply cannot be immediately sorted out so easily. And it may take a bit of work and time.

Now many traditional therapies, for instance, will have a therapist where the therapist engages the patient in long, drawn out reflections and discussions on the client’s own idea on the subject matter and feelings. What does that do?

JOHN: Focuses on the problem.

KRIS: Indeed. And it is not surprising that such clients feel doubly overwhelmed now. Individuals are looking for solutions. They are looking for understanding that assists them in overcoming the issues at hand. And one of the prime issues is where your thoughts are focused. Do you follow?

JOHN: I think so.

MARK: I can personally attest to this. I’ve been through the system. And when you go see a doctor, a shrink or social worker or whatever, they put you on the spot and make you relive these moments in time where you really despise yourself or feel bad, and bring about more. And I found what changed me was, like a practice of perspectives to change the perspective and find moments to make myself feel good and love myself. And part of that was even just putting little signs on my mirror. Every time I looked in the mirror in the morning it was a positive statement about myself, an affirmation. And this brought about a great change.

KRIS: And the key to change is not on focusing upon how deeply buried you are in the pit, but that you can receive a helping hand, in some form or another, get out of the pit and go about making a new life for yourself.

MARK: Yeah, the “nobody loves me”. But when you look around you can be shown dozens of people that actually do love you very much, and you just ignore . . . But that’s not what I mean. But in reality it’s just your own beliefs about yourself.

KRIS: What else do you have to say on Skype-land?

ALAN: Well, speaking personally, Kris, I can say that the . . . some of the exercises that you have given, particularly the creation of an internal metaphor for your state of mind and then pushing it out of the window into the sunlight and then watching it change and then bringing it back in . . . If I had known about just a simply practice like this twenty, thirty years ago when I was going through such serious bouts of depression, I think it would have made a really bit and almost immediate difference, because it would have taken me out of that state of mind.

KRIS: Indeed. And may we share . . .

ALAN: And like Mark said, that’s just . . .

KRIS: May we share something with you?

ALAN: Certainly.

KRIS: In a moment of quietude, in the present moment, pretend that you are that individual from twenty, thirty years ago, and use that practice. Pretend that twenty or thirty years ago, you have this technique in hand and go through the paces and see what happens. Another major challenge also for those who are fixated on suicide ideation, especially when they read conscious creation and metaphysical literatures, they come across certain exercises and practices, they will try them for five or ten minutes. And if they do not immediately see a result, then it is back to square one. “Nothing works.” And those kinds of generalizations follow the patterns of the individual. It is not that nothing works, but it is more so that, “I will make sure nothing works because if I changed my situation drastically, I have to be someone different. And I can not allow myself to be someone different because then people may treat me differently.”

Now we believe you are asking for a small break.

MARK: Indeed. Thank you.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com and we’ve been sittin’ here chattin’ with Kris about the power of habits, ultimately. Mind you, as subtitled.

JOHN: Yes. Actually he said something rather interesting. Oh, I believe he’s back.

KRIS: Indeed. Now to get back to this dark and interesting subject matter: The individual, or any individual in that situation, often believes that it is “others” who are causing certain feelings within him or her. And in return, very often in situations that you have presently, in a chat room, many individuals who would otherwise discuss things of a light-hearted nature, suddenly come across this topic matter and they feel often as if the dark of the subject matter influences them into an uncomfortable situation. So you have an interesting interplay of people who believe others can make them feel certain things. And that is perhaps, especially for one who, shall we simply say is truly sincere about suicide, this is an interesting concept as a viable means of exercising at least a small amount of control over their environment, bring other people down. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So it is a point to keep in mind. Other than that, there are also many other lighthearted subject matters to be discussed. In fact there are probably millions of others that can be brought to discussion. Indeed, please continue.

JOHN: Well you said something that captured my imagination earlier, Kris. You said that the best . . . that we’re all creatures of habit and that the best plan is to create habits that support our intent. Then, in a throw-away line, you said, “Oh by the way, your intent is not necessarily your conscious thoughts and feelings. And do you remember that we talked about that?” And yes, of course, we do. Here’s the question for you. How can we create habits that support our intent if our intent is not perhaps at the surface layer of our beliefs and ideas?

KRIS: Indeed. We would say then to look towards your behavior. What does your behavior nourish within your being, whether within your terms, negative or positive? What outcomes do you derive from your behaviors?

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: Because you will notice that you often have the entertainment of a variety of thoughts that lead nowhere.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And very often many of what you think is your intent also leads nowhere.

JOHN: Right. But your actual behavior is concrete, real stuff.

KRIS: Indeed. It is furnished from the other ninety percent.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And many, a great many individuals, actually do get a very specific kind of communication from within, if you like, when they direct or focus their intention on a specific outcome. They may feel a strong inner warmth, something that indicates that, “Yes, this is a path that you can pursue. And the other ninety percent of your being will be there for you.” And they may get another kind of communication that states, “Yes, you can pursue that. It is your prerogative. But do not expect the rest of the ninety percent to support you with that direction.”

JOHN: Ah-ha, I see. Okay. Right. So in a way it’s kind of like, you look at your behavior and then you see, ah, actually . . . Do you mind if I just capture something you say?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You said your behavior is a representative of the other ninety-percent. But we’re also in control of our behavior. So I’m thinking that our actual behavior is the meeting ground . . .

KRIS: Yes.

JOHN: . . . between the ten percent . . .

KRIS: It is the junction. If you wish, the interface.

JOHN: I think that’s a hugely important point and I’m kinda’ glad I dragged it up to consciousness here.

KRIS: It is extremely important, often dismissed out of hand simply because it is considered so unimportant. And yet it is of extreme importance.

JOHN: So the actual things you choose to do, your actual behavior, your actions . . .

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: . . . are the junction between the ten-percent, the conscious self, and the ninety-percent, the neo-conscious.

KRIS: Indeed. And you have physical behavior. You have mental, psychological, emotional behaviors.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: All of these are indicators. You basically have a switchboard that will light up or shut down.

JOHN: Well that’s why, just following this along, that’s why your behaviors are indicative of your intent because the ninety-percent is totally, ah, integrated into that behavior.

KRIS: Indeed. Say, for instance, that you are extremely gifted in playing almost every kind of musical instrument you can imagine. But you decide that you want to become a house builder.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And you consistently hurt yourself. Nothing seems to go right. You can’t get the financing together properly. Your workers slack off. Everything seems to be going in the opposite direction. But when you touch a musical instrument of any kind, wind, percussion, or anything else, it literally comes alive.

JOHN: Wow.

KRIS: It has a magical life of its own the moment you touch it. What would that indicate to you?

JOHN: Forget construction.

KRIS: Indeed. And pick up an instrument, or two or ten, and have fun, enjoy your life since it will be effortless. Now if you throw into that certain beliefs that you might not have proper training, or the finances, or whatever you want about playing a musical instrument, then do not blame others. Put away those particular thoughts or beliefs and focus on enhancing what you can do already. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes. And just to put that in my own words, if you find that certain behaviors result in effortless joy and accomplishment and pleasure, then that’s in line with your intent.

MARK: If I could just jump in. What I’ve discovered is that if you give a hundred percent, the universe will give a hundred and fifty percent. So if you are a great musician give it your one hundred percent and the universe will do everything that you can’t do. You do what you CAN do and the universe will do what you can’t, to make it all happen.

JOHN: And of course, if you find you’re, when you try and build something, you’re like Homer Simpson . . . Have you ever seen him try and build like a spice rack or something? [Mark laughs.] Yeah. He may be really good at playing instruments. Yeah. Okay. Well thank you, Kris. That was very . . . I’m glad that we, um, kinda’ teased that out of ya’.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there any other inquiries?

MARK: Alan, anything?

ALAN: No. Nothing more on my end.

KRIS: Thus, to conclude, regardless of where you focus your thoughts, your attention, your feelings, etc., whether in the darker subject of suicide or exuberantly expressing the joys of life, or simply hearing the birds chirp, foreseeing seeing the sunrise break over the horizon in the morning, foreseeing the clouds travel across the firmaments, or seeing the stars at night singing of unheard songs, all of these things are within your grasp to take care of. You can direct your focus. You cannot make the stars sing, the birds chirp, but you can bring that into your awareness. Do you follow?

JOHN: Absolutely. For me, I call our ability to move our attention, our focus, I call that our “divine power”.

KRIS: Indeed. And though your focus, your conscious focusing, seems to bring about ten-percent of the powers of your being, that little ten-percent creates a cascading effect of immeasurable consequences. Imagine focusing only with that ten-percent upon the sun’s rays peeking over the horizon, birds singing, flowers opening, the dew rising? All of these things are now drawing the attention of ninety-percent of your power to make it even more intense. If that doesn’t tickle your fancy, then we don’t know what will.

[Mark chuckles.]

JOHN: Consider our fancy tickled.

KRIS: Indeed. And so we shall. And so we thank you for your ticklish consideration.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

ALAN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Just to have a few announcements here, speaking of the workshops, the various workshops. We just polished off “So You Want to Change the World”. That one is officially over. But there is now “So You Want to Change the World: Number Two”, with at least four more sessions. But we also have some other ones. We’re coming up on “Change Your Life: The Keys to Unlocking the Secrets of Your Mind”. And that starts in January. In April we’ve got “The Mind and the Heart: The Way to be Healthy, Wealthy and Wise”. In June we’ve got a, we have a two day weekend workshop in Toronto.

SERGE: And some people have already started to inquire about the June workshop.

MARK: Yeah. That one . . . Those are incredible, these two-day, in person, workshops. And then we’re looking at one, possibly around Halloween next year in Arizona. So keep these in mind and keep watching that website, krischronicles.com

SERGE: If anybody’s wondering why we may be looking at Halloween time for Arizona workshop, think costume party.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Now the other thing, can I just quickly mention . . .

ALAN: Gosh, I wouldn’t know what to wear.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Well, we’ve seen you in that dress. It’s gonna’ have to be something different next time. Ah, the other thought was, ah, Mark, what people may not be aware of is that for a very modest fee they can participate in the International Sessions.

MARK: That’s true.

JOHN: Via Skype.

MARK: Yeah. Skype.

JOHN: And this is a, you know, spectacular way . . .

MARK: Twenty bucks a session and Skype dials into a conference room and it’s very clear.

SERGE: And people from all over the world can participate just as people from all over the world are participating in the Skype workshops.

MARK: That’s right. You’re not limited by location anymore thanks to technology. It’s out there. But all that information is available on our website krischronicles.com. And stay tuned for The Heroic Journey of the Soul. Good night everybody.

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