Kris Radio: Prophecies

September 25, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 25, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am co-hosting tonight.  Unfortunately, my co-host John McCain couldn’t make it tonight so I’m going to have to go with the old standby John Hawkins.

JOHN: Well, I was … since they’re fixing the economy down there I’m free to come here myself.  And I’m very happy to be here, Mark.

MARK: I love the lipstick, by the way.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: What’s that?  Are you saying that I’ve got lipstick on a pig here?  Anyway, and we also have our friend Serge, or course.

SERGE: Thank you.  And this message is approved by all of us.  [Laughter.]  No pigs were harmed in the production of it.

MARK: Do we have Alan?

ALAN: Yeah, I’m here.  No lipstick, though.

SERGE: That’s okay.  That’s okay, Alan.

MARK: Can you see Russia from your house?

ALAN: I can’t even see Anya from my house.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Well, welcome back to . . .

ALAN: Well you guys must be having a nice, must be having a nice day.  I see you’re all in T-shirts.  Must be warm there. [Alan was watching us on www.thatchannel.com.]

SERGE: Yes, it’s quite warm today.

MARK: Beautiful today.

JOHN: Yeah.

SERGE: You’re getting into the colder weather now, ‘cause usually mid-September there’s even snowstorms out there.

ALAN: Um, yeah there can be but Denver today just set a record, I think around ninety-one.  So it’s a beautiful day here, not a cloud in the sky.  And the deep blue high altitude skies you get, they’re just great.

SERGE: ‘Cause I remember being at the old Seth Conferences up there in the mountains that, um, I forget the name of the place, but any ways . . .

MARK: Winter Park.

ALAN: Winter Park.

SERGE: Yeah, Winter Park, sometimes the day you leave is when the storm hits, you know.

ALAN: [Laughing.]  Well they get a little earlier jump on it than the rest ‘cause they’re on the west of the Continental Divide.  So they get about three times the moisture that we do.

SERGE: Okay.

MARK: That explains it.

SERGE: That’ll teach them.

ALAN: Yeah.  They also got all the pine beetles, so all their trees are just completely dead over there.  It’s just gruesome in that area now.

MARK: Sorry to hear that.  Well, welcome back to another Thursday Kris Radio.  It’s good to be back.  One thing I did want to mention before we get underway is that this coming Sunday I am canceling the Toronto Session.  Serge and I are doing . . . Well, I’m taking a hypnotherapy course now for the next nine weeks . . .

JOHN: Me too.

MARK: . . . with John, and Serge is one of the teachers.  So the next nine weekends are going to be . . . We’re probably going to end up canceling all the Toronto Sessions over the next couple of months.

SERGE: Just keeping the International.

MARK: So just to give everybody a head’s up.  That’s where we’re at, and that’s why.

SERGE: So Ellen can have a free night.

[Laughter.]

MARK: Yeah.  I’m sure Kris will have a Walk or something in there for her [to type].

JOHN: But you’re probably going to keep on with the International?

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Yes, definitely.  Along with “Change the World” and “CMI’s”.

SERGE: Yeah, there are only two sessions of “Change the World” and what? I think six more sessions of CMI?

MARK: Yeah.  Wow.  Moving’ right along.  We’ll have to come up with a new one.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: I don’t think there’s a problem there.

MARK: No.  I’m loving’ this by the way.  The “Change the World” and the “CMI” both are on such a roll.

JOHN: Yep.

MARK: We’ve been having such great conversations and . . .

JOHN: Well the last “Change the World”, well Alan, I’m sure, will fill you in.  But it was a . . .

SERGE: A humdinger?

JOHN: . . . spectacular, wonderful new information.  But also, Kris, um, actually demonstrated how you might apply some of the things he talked about in quite a pro . . . quite an extended session with Alan, in fact.  And perhaps you wanted to . . . How are you doin’, Alan?  Or, uh,

MARK: How’s your iceberg?

JOHN: How’s your iceberg?

ALAN: [Laughing.] Yeah.  Humdinger works for me.  It, ah, that was quite a session.  Except last night my neo-conscious is now jumping on the opportunity and throwing everything at me for correction . . .

JOHN: Uh-oh.

ALAN: . . . so the nights are a little bumpy.  But, ah . . .

SERGE: Just put your seatbelt on.

ALAN: Yeah, just fastening the seatbelt.

MARK: But you know that . . . [Alan interrupts].

ALAN: But it really was great . . .

MARK: That is pretty amazing because you can accomplish so much more work in the dream state than you can in the waking state without becoming overwhelmed.  So, yeah, you may toss and turn a little bit but it’s well worth it.

JOHN: Yeah.  I’d rather dream about having a car crash than the alternative.

MARK: Yeah, my dreams have been really erratic lately and um,

JOHN: Erratic?

MARK: Erratic.

JOHN: Okay.  I just wanted to check.

MARK: Jumping around.  Like you find dreams where there’s a story line, and then other dreams, there’s like nothing.  It’s like, all over the map, different images sort of thrown at you.  And often that’s where you’re actually exploring your deeper levels of self where the ego isn’t accustomed to, so it doesn’t have anything to, um . . .

JOHN: It can’t translate it into anything reasonable.

MARK: . . . translate it.  So it’s, it’s trying its darndest so it’s throwing imagery.  But you’re … you’re exploring those deeper layers of self.

SERGE: Anything else to add to your experience, Alan?

ALAN: Um, well just a strange one that . . . I found an aspect last night that was afraid that if I projected in my astral body as a waking consciousness that I would go and never come back.  And I thought, well there was something just a little out of the ordinary.  I’ve heard of every other kind of objection or complaint from aspects but that was a new one on me.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Actually, I thought that was a common one for people.

ALAN: It may well be.

SERGE: I think for Alan, in particular, um, just leave the nest and not come back.

JOHN: But if you think about, if you think about it, that one is not likely going to come into play until you get to the point where there’s some likely-hood that you might do some projecting.  So I think that may be some good news.

MARK: Well that’s true.  The fact that it came up.

ALAN: Well, I had a little experience with that where I had an out-of-body and was afraid I was going to knock a screen out of a window and be gone.  So I think it harkens back to that, some twenty-five years ago.

MARK: Just bolt the screens on.

ALAN: [Laughing.]  Yeah, I know.  Close the windows first.

MARK: [Laughing.]  Yeah.  Sounds simple to me.

SERGE: Go though a wall.  Then you won’t damage any screens.

ALAN: Yeah.  It’ll keep me in and the bears out. So that’s a good deal on both sides.

MARK: So John, how’s your week been?

JOHN: I’ve had a very interesting week actually.  I’ve been playing around with some of the verbal techniques that Kris has been giving us, ah, from a variety of different sources.  And I’m finding them to be very, very powerful.  I’m noticing the way I’m talking about things to myself.  And I’m noticing the inherent limitations in some of the ways I think about things.  I can’t think of anything off the top as an example, but, um, that’s a very powerful practice.

MARK: I’ve also been finding at work, work is chaos for me right now because the company that bought us out is putting two hundred million dollars into the store and renovating and it’s complete upheaval and chaos.  And, um, working through those issues both in the Dream State and at work, I’m finding that I’m going through a great amount of personal change that’s being reflected outwardly.

JOHN: Oh that’s interesting.

MARK: And, um. ..

JOHN: Renovating?  You’re doing a little internal renovations?

MARK: Yes.  That’s exactly, just a little.  [Laughing.]  I’ve been getting . . . At first, at the beginning of the week, I was overwhelmed and frustrated and it was bothering me.  I was letting it bother me.  And then it got to the point where I said, “Okay.  This is what’s happening.  This physical change out here, they’re doing this and there’s no communication, yahda, yahda, yahda.  Don’t worry about it.  Let it go.”  Go into observer mode, is what I did.  And what a switch.

JOHN: Did that work?

MARK: Yeah.  Huge.  So now I’ve been . . . even it worked in the Dream State, too.

JOHN: Oh.

MARK: So these chaotic dreams, where everything’s jumping all over, I just step back and go into the observer mode and just try to pick up what I can.  Really helpful.

JOHN: Very good.

MARK: How about you, Serge?  How has your week been?

SERGE: It’s been interesting dealing with other issues and going to the Forums and reading some of the people’s experiences with the groups and discussions, the “CMI” and “Change The World” and stuff like that and literally being, well, blown away by the quality of the discussions and people’s insights. That just blows me away.

JOHN: Ah.

SERGE: I just love that.

JOHN: Wonderful to see, isn’t it.

SERGE: Yeah.  Very much and looking forward to more.

MARK: I find it really comforting to know that our work is paying off.  We are actually helping people.  And you can see the results in people.  You can see the changes, and their understanding, and working with it, and experiencing it.  It’s just great.  It’s grand.

JOHN: Yes, um, the, ah . . . getting back to what I’ve been playing with is the verbal language stuff, I do recall one of the things I use, a lot.  For a long time, I would say, “I am tired.”  Right?  Now, what that really means is, that’s a definition.  What I’m saying is I AM, this is a quality of my being then, is tiredness, right?  No. So now, when I catch myself saying that or getting ready to say that, what I say is, “I am feeling tired.”  And what a difference that makes, eh, what a difference.

MARK: You could have told me that this morning because I’ve been doing that all day.

JOHN: But what I have alerted myself is any I AM statements, right.  So often throughout the day we, and I’m aware of the fact that I’m instructing my neo-conscious mind, who is listening very carefully to everything I say.

MARK: That’s right.  It doesn’t want to make a liar out of you so it puts it to fact.

JOHN: So I’m trying to be more careful about that, you know.  So for instance if I do something stupid, instead of saying, “I am an idiot.” I say, “Hmm, that was a fairly stupid thing to do.”  Quite a difference.

MARK: Good point.

JOHN: Quite a difference.

MARK: Very good point.

SERGE: Yeah.  That’s part of one of the “Change the World” talks isn’t it?

JOHN: Yep.  I forget what he calls it but that “I AM” statement is a self-identity kind of thing.  And, you know, when you think about all of the things you say, all the things that can come after that, “I AM dot, dot, dot, “.  Well be careful what you create for yourself to be, because as Kris said a few weeks ago, we are what we believe our self to be.  So, you know, that’s worth programming.

MARK: You keep repeating these “I AM” statements over and over and over, you begin to believe it yourself.

JOHN: So I, instead of being tired tonight, I am magnificent, in all humility.

MARK: The book, “Discourses on Dreams: Volume 1″. We are still waiting for the galley on the inside [content].

SERGE: They mentioned next week it’s going to ready.

MARK: I’m suspecting Monday.  I got a gut feeling for Monday. The cover is completely approved, front and back.  That’s ready to go.

JOHN: So, just so just that I understand, do you have to proof read the galley?

MARK: No.  You have to . . . it’s because we’ve sent it in and they’ve not changed any wording per se.  They’ve changed the way it looks, the layout, the headers, titles, etc.

JOHN: Oh.  Fine.  Because what I’m remembering is back when Jane and Rob used to have to actually read every word of a book.

SERGE: Because at that time it was hand typed into the text setting machines.

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: So, easily, little errors could have slipped in.  So they had to go through that line by line, word by word, take an enormous amount of time and, yeah.

JOHN: And it takes a lot of concentration.  I’ve done some proof reading and there’s a real knack to proof reading.

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: You have to step, as you were saying, you have to step back and you can’t read it for meaning.

SERGE: No.

JOHN: If you do that you’ll miss the little typos.  You have to read it almost like you’re looking at shapes.  It’s a . . .

SERGE: As an editor.

MARK: Well, as you know, I’m the one that proofreads all the Kris transcripts before they go on line.  And I have to admit that I cheat.  I can’t sit there and read them, especially when I’ve been through them so many times over and over, and listening and what . . .  I go through Microsoft Word and I look for the little green lines and red lines.  And a lot of things get by me.  And now that all the transcripts are being transcribed into German by Gilla – ah, she sends me these private emails, “What does this mean?”  It’s like, oops.  [Laughter.]  It’s an actual word but it’s the wrong word.

JOHN: Well that’s the problem with Spell Check.  If it’s a word, it doesn’t know it’s the wrong word.

SERGE: Spell checkers are not that smart.

MARK: Not yet.

[Laugher.]

JOHN: And the grammar checker.  I just turn it off, because it’s stupid.

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Some of them I know automatically, like there’s always a comma before the word “which” . . .

JOHN: Is there?

MARK: . . . and that type of thing.  And sometimes it’s just a simple, it can underline the whole sentence and it’s just “you need a little comma there, or take the comma out and put a period,” and away you go.

JOHN: That reminds me of a great story of Oscar Wilde, who apparently, Elias was Oscar Wilde, right.

MARK: One of his focuses.

JOHN: And anyway, somebody asked him what his life as a write was like.  And he says, “Well, to give you an example I worked very hard this morning and after a lot of very careful deliberation I put a comma in.”

[Laughter.]

JOHN: And he said, “Just so that you understand how complex being a writer is, this afternoon I took it out.”

[Laugher.]

MARK: Good sense of humor, too.

SERGE: That’s something Taloula Bankhead would have said too, but she would have used other expletives.

JOHN: It wouldn’t be a comma in her case.

SERGE: No, no, not at all.

[Laugher.]

SERGE: One of, ah, when I read some of the quotes from her, and I thought it was made up.  But apparently the last two words she uttered before she died, and that really is what she said.  Um, I think its “narcotics and bourbon”.  Then she died.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Was she placing her order?

SERGE: [Laughing.]  Probably.

MARK: What do they give you when you’re . . . morphine?

SERGE: Yeah.  Is it morphine and uh . . .?

MARK: Bourbon.

SERGE: Morphine and bourbon, that’s what she wanted.  The last two words she uttered.  Very colorful lady.

JOHN: Well, so do we have any idea what our friend is going, uh, well ah . . .

MARK: We’re about to find out.

JOHN: We’re about to find out.  We can tell.  The signs are happening.

MARK: The glasses are off.

KRIS: Does that mean Elvis is in the house?

JOHN: Yeah, Elvis is in the building.

MARK: [Laughing.]  Is that one of your focuses?

KRIS: We cannot say.  Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now you inquired about the possibilities of another presentation.

MARK: Yes, indeed.

KRIS: As we had suggested some time back, we are always available.  This can be offered after you have finished “Change the World”, perhaps with a little bit of a break.

MARK: Yes, definitely.

KRIS: This only need take four evenings.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: This you can call “Change Your Life, colon, The Keys to Unlocking the Secrets of Your Mind, The Simple Processes or Steps to Changing Your Life in Ninety Days.”

JOHN: Is that ALL the title?

[Mark laughs.]

KRIS: You can organize it in a presentable fashion.

MARK: Around the world in ninety days.

KRIS: Ten days more than the original but worth the trip nonetheless.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now this evening we would like to speak about prophecies.  Indeed.  The title itself may suggest something that is usually relegated to the domain of the gods, the divines and their mouthpieces, or if you wish, their puppets.  However, human experience also demonstrates that prophecies happen [on] a far more regular, mundane basis than you can shake a prophetic stick at.  And you have, right now, in the United States, a great amount of prophesying going on, not only in the religious quarters, but in almost all quarters.

And the very funny thing about prophecies and prophesying is that it can very easily become self-fulfilling.   And that is why it can be most illuminating indeed for the average individual to do some degree of noticing or observing of their thoughts, their actions, their utterances.  Because even at the level of the mortal coil, so to speak, a great amount of prophesying goes on and much of it is self-fulfilling.  And the funny thing is that prophecies, prophesying, is an old art.  It is used in many different ways.  But it is also a form of focusing, which relegates it also to the study of hypnosis and related matters.

Take, for example, what has been termed as mass hysteria.  When Adolph Hitler gave his famous speeches, where even in spite of their reluctance to do so, participants in the crowds who were completely opposed to his ideas found themselves swept up by the waves of clambering and cheering for the presentations.  In the United States and many other countries, but the United States in particular, because it is so prevalent right now and for the last several years, you have had a great deal of mass hysteria combined with prophesying, leading to some very interesting developments such as the mass events occurring now.

At the moment, literally hundreds of trillions of dollars are being brought into the game, as it were.  The prophesying is that if the bailout, the support, the backup is not provided, then you stand the chance of seeing the whole of the country being flushed down the toilet.  That generates mass hysteria, high emotional peaks, where the rational aspects of the individual’s perceptions are literally thrown out with the bath water, and you have reactionary measures, knee-jerk reactions, individuals do runs on banks, mortgages collapse.  And the prophets can easily claim, “See, we prophesized this and look what is happening.  Exactly as we prophesized.”   You have had this, again in the United States, with all the various kinds of alerts.  You have had this with weapons of mass destruction preaching, and so many other instances.  And yet to this day very few people have caught on to the tactics.

We would say that now is a good time to wake up to the realities that you are creating for yourselves.  We are not speaking only to the two of you here in this studio or the ones on Skype or the ones listening to the radio show, but we are also addressing the mass consciousness.  To wake up now would be a very good thing indeed.  To open your eyes to the realities you are projecting.  Know that the more you focus upon all of those fears of markets crashing and the next big depression happening, the more you talk about it the more it infuses your consciousness, the more you will have of what you concentrate upon.  It is as simple as that.

And it is as also as simple as that to wake up from this unsavory dream that you are experiencing, opening up your eyes, listening to the words you are saying, observing your behaviors and what you are allowing to influence your perceptions can do you a world of good.  Knowing that you have within you the potential to live something quite different, to live a life that is very different than the one that is being laid out for your because you have forgotten that you have the potential to reverse this for your own private experience.  Once you remember this, once you take it into account, once you guide the ship of your perceptions properly, then regardless of what the market does or does not do, your situation may indeed remain on course.  Does that make some sense?

MARK: Oh yes.

JOHN: That’s very good.

KRIS: Indeed you are observing the unfolding of mass events due to a massive shift in perceptions, unfolding right before your eyes.  How can you not see that?  Our whole point is it is possible for you to experience something different.  In that light, the subject matter presented for the next little course, fits right in there.  Thus what you are seeing is the fulfillment of all sorts of prophecies, because you are allowing it.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, I do. Um, the um, that’s why when you first started, mentioned this topic, I sort of thought to myself, well isn’t, haven’t you said, or various other dead guys have said that it’s basically impossible to predict the future because we have free will.  We can change our mind.

KRIS: Indeed, but at the same time it is possible to see in what direction you are aiming your life.

JOHN: Right, the general probabilities that we’re engaging.

KRIS: Indeed.  Because what you concentrated upon yesterday, what you concentrate upon today, end up as what you will live tomorrow.

JOHN: Right.  As a matter of fact, do you mind if I just ask you a quick question on the side here?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Let’s say we’ve got human beings on the planet here, and for the most, I’m just going to guess here, but for the most part, for most human beings, they, throughout their whole lifetime stick pretty close to the probabilities that were there when they were young.  In other words, a forty or fifty or sixty-year old, even though we say we have free will, it seems to me that it’s probably very rare for someone to literally step outside, dramatically outside of the probabilities they’ve been building for themselves.

KRIS: The potential is ALWAYS literally on the tip of your tongue, in a manner of speaking.  But there is always what you call homeostasis, returning to the previous state, staying there where you are already comfortable.  It is a known factor, and unknown factors tend to be avoided.

JOHN: Uh-huh.

KRIS: Thus by focusing the entire nation’s awareness on potential calamities, of financial markets, housing markets and so many other markets, you have a very good predictability machine, its bearings well greased.

JOHN: Now, again correct me if I’m wrong but, ah, thinking back to the last mass event in the States, which I would say was 911, which resulted in the pushing through of The Patriot Act and attacking Iraq, ah, the pre-emptive attack on Iraq, uh that, there was very little, there was very little push-back from the American people on that.  Everybody jumped on board and saluted and there you go.  Now, the present crisis, the financial crisis, there is much more pushback and questioning in my experience.

KRIS: Indeed.  That is correct.  And that is why we are suggesting what we did, just now.  Open your eyes.  Ask questions.  Demand full accountability.  And guide the direction of your own perceptions carefully.  Do not let outside influences determine what you should or should not experience.  That is where free will comes in.  You can decide where your ship goes.  You can decide to go where every other ship goes.  Or you can decide to navigate uncharted waters for yourself, where YOU want to go.  Does that make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely.  And I think that what, the difference for me, what I suspect is the difference for millions of Americans is, that somehow they have developed a little bit tiny greater trust and understanding of themselves and what you’re talking about here, their own potential freedoms.  Whereas even as shortly ago as six years ago, um, they, they just didn’t have that resource.  They didn’t understand that that was a possibility.

KRIS: Indeed.  And many people, not just Americans but many people, are convinced that all of these things are the responsibilities of their governments.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: So they then trust their governments explicitly, turning a blind eye even to that which is obviously outside the bounds of that trust, because no one wants to really challenge their own trust in others.

JOHN: Right.  Now in a way we can be grateful to George Bush because he’s really, really helping people to get over trusting big government.

[Mark laughs.]

KRIS: He has to be useful for something.  Now, in all jest, it is a good thing to remember that you have awareness, you can use it, you have knowledge, you can use it, you have wisdom, you can use it, and you can steer the direction of your perceptions to that which you want to explore, not that which others say you should do like the rest.

So this represents an additional nudge towards a greater shift in paradigms.  And it may bring about more accountability than some would want, both in terms of being accountable to others as well as knowing what accountability is, especially that you have a great deal of people who already know these things at one level or another.  This is to bring it up to their conscious awareness.  It is not an easy task by a long shot, but you can make it easier for yourself.  You are not predestined or preordained to do like everyone else.  That is where free will, free choice, comes into play.

And though some may experience their markets or other markets becoming unstable, you may discover other opportunities that are quite unlike what the others are experiencing.  And it may not be that you have to worry overly about the HOW of things.  Just to know that there is power in your intention.  Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh, it’s lovely.  I like that.

KRIS: And we are not being naive or presenting something filled with naivety.  We understand the situations.

MARK: This is a very classic case of the present being the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: And what I also wanted to comment about is how much I’m astounded that, of, how we utilize prophecy in our day-to-day lives.  Like here we’re talking on a global scale with the economy, especially tied in to the United States, but it goes much, much further when you talk about global warming and the storms and the hurricanes and the damages that they’re doing.  Right down to me working in a grocery store in a renovation, weeks in advance saying, “Oh, this renovation is going to be hell”, setting it all up.

JOHN: Guess what?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Guess what.

KRIS: And do you know why, in this very moment, financial instability is spreading around the globe like wildfire or brush fire?

JOHN: Why?

MARK: Because we’re concentrating on it.

KRIS: And there is a reason for it.  The, you could say “behind the scenes factors”, are fear of the consequences of a full financial breakdown.  Thus what is motivating the situation is potential despair.  And that spreads faster than an epidemic.

JOHN: Ah.  So basically fear.

KRIS: Indeed.  Fear that the market crash will ruin everything.  And fear is a powerful motivator.  And when you have heads of countries pushing the fear buttons right up into Orange Alert, then what do you get?

JOHN: Mass hysteria.

KRIS: Lemmings willing to jump over the cliff.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Look at gasoline, the buttons they keep pressing when they jack up those prices – huge changes worldwide.

KRIS: Now this is not our usual fare, as we do not often comment on world situations, but this merits stepping outside what you may think is our comfort box, because our comfort box does not match yours.  And some individuals may even be uncomfortable that we are venturing there.  But we are not uncomfortable.  It may even cause an eye opening or two.

JOHN: Yes.  Now my reading of, um, ever since a couple of weeks you, in that Sunday night, you talked about the interesting politics that are going on and how on both sides you’ve got value fulfillment.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And you’ve got a tremendous concentration of probabilities all focussed on that one day in November coming up.  The markets though, even though, I mean it’s a very serious, ah, potentially very serious situation, it seems to be swinging, in terms of mass events, it seems to be swinging things in favor of Obama.  So, you know, I mean it’s, ah, there’s a down side and honestly there’s an upside too.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now, each individual has his or her own set of value fulfillment.  A nation, whether a republic, a dictatorship, or otherwise, sometimes it is a republic dictatorship, has its own set of national values.  These also come into play.  And the millions of individuals who compose the citizenry add to their own value fulfillment.  So all of this works together to knit a most interesting s-tapestry.  We were going to say scarf, but  [Laughter.]   What do you have to add on that?

JOHN: Well it’s very interesting to me, ah, the ah, something that happened shortly after you mentioned, what, what I came out of your discussion a couple of weekends ago was that even though I’m frankly a Barrack Obama supporter, you know, and regard Republicans as basically reptilian,

[Laughter from Mark.]

JOHN: Um, at the same time what you helped me to see was Republicans are fulfilling their values in this and they’re quite sincere and absolutely valid human beings.  So what I like about this idea of knitting a fabric is that, I mean, just because a thread is blue or black or green doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have a place in the fabric.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now would you care to take a break?

MARK: Yes.  Thank you.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John and Serge and Alan out there in Skype-land.  And we’ve been talking about prophecy.

SERGE: Yeah, and I prophecy that next week we’ll be here.

[Laugher.]

JOHN: So how are you doin’ Alan?  Is there any activity out there in the internet?

ALAN: Oh yeah.  It’s really interesting because, uh, uh, Bill Herman was saying that uh, uh, Kris has been talking about just exactly the issues that have been on his mind all day.  And Tom Sherlock commented that he was just becoming a little curious about how rarely Kris talks about mass events.  And, uh, I see you’re getting back underway there so I’ll hold off on any more.

KRIS: Please, feel free to continue.

ALAN: Well I just had the observation about how much better we might all be if we never read, watched or listened to the news because the news, the news are kind of the new prophets.  They take something that is supposed to be just a fact and they pull it up and they dramatize it and it becomes a prophecy.  And yet how much we value our ability to get instant news from anywhere.  But it’s still somebody’s version of what’s important.  And then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

JOHN: Uh-huh.  Yeah when you think about it, the news is incredibly powerful, because it focuses millions of creative consciousnesses onto a particular direction.

ALAN: Yeah, I mean, that’s exactly what’s goin on.

KRIS: And . . .

ALAN: And they think they’re just reporting facts but, ah, . . .

KRIS: And we believe again, as mentioned, that this is likely, has never been as apparent as it is now.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: And when it becomes that apparent then it creates the opportunity to take action, appropriate action, not running to the hills for cover, but action.  Not to oppose or fight those situations because that is simply another form of concentration, but to literally reprogram and re-influence your own perception.  That, in a meaningful way, creates a positive outcome for yourself.

MARK: Okay.  Hypothetically, let’s just say that I’m falling into the media, I’m suckered in and I’m watching this and I’m absorbed, it’s, I’ve become passionate and pissed off even, and upset and it’s overwhelming me.

KRIS: Indeed.  And in a short amount of time you might start seeing in your life what they talked about.

MARK: Yes.  So how do I reverse that?

KRIS: First of all, even if you find yourself unable to completely shut off the tube, there is nothing specifically wrong or inherently wrong in looking at the television, listening to the news.  How you allow it to influence your perceptions, your moods, your states of mind is another matter entirely.  And if you find that impossible then we suggest you minimize exposure.  But if you can see it for what it is, a complete public mass demonstration of beliefs in action, of behavior showing what the beliefs are, and influences altering perceptions, a literal and veritable study in human psychology and consciousness above and beyond the regular teachings of schools of psychology where everything is a number, then you can have quite a buffet table laid out before you.  And it will also demonstrate where your own beliefs are aligned, giving you additional advantages to knowing more about whom and what you are.  And we believe the latter case is preferable than to being swept away by this flood of manipulations.

MARK: So in other words, I should acknowledge that these are a mass display of beliefs on a public scale, and acknowledge that they’re not my beliefs, and accept them as being very valid, and that’s what I accept.

JOHN: Accept the fact . . .

KRIS: Accepting is a good beginning.

JOHN: Accept yourself for having created it and finding meaning in it.

KRIS: And also accept and acknowledge that you have other meanings that you can bring into your consciousness that are much more fulfilling than those prophecies.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: The prophets of Wall Street gloom and doom are experts in their game.  They’ve been doing this for a long time.  Usually it is with one individual after another.  When you take it to the next level you have an entire nation in the game.  And a game it is, as long as you see it that way.  Once you believe that this is the ultimate, end-all reality, then you are suckered in.  So be steadfast in your own convictions and steer your perceptions somewhere you want, not somewhere you do not want.  Who wants to have those markets crash?  You can stem the tide, but it takes cooperation.  Do you follow?

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: You can make a significant difference in your own personal life as well, and begin there.  Are there any questions in Skype-land?

MARK: Alan?

ALAN: Oh, sorry.  I had muted myself.  Nothing new, but just the various comments that we had.

KRIS: Indeed.  And we rather enjoy making occasional commentary and even purports on these kinds of events.  It gives the listeners a little more spice in their drink.

JOHN: Well I have an idea.  Why don’t we get together and start and start a new television channel.  I’m suggesting the name PNN, The Pollyanna News Network.  And it will be all about how, ah, stressing the probabilities that we “want” to have happen instead of the bad ones.

MARK: Yeah, but the Pollyanna suggests that it’s not going to happen.  You want a different name.

JOHN: Oh, all right.  I just thought it was cute.

[Laugher.]

KRIS: For all intents and purposes you are seeing what you call “conscious and deliberate creation” in action.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: It may not be the kind of manifestations you desire, but it still exists nonetheless.

JOHN: A very good object lesson.

KRIS: Indeed.  First hand . . .

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: . . . for millions of individuals right now.

MARK: And here we get back to, again, taking that step backwards and going into observer mode and watching the events and watching the passions from all different sides, gives you an entirely different perspective.

JOHN: Well you know the, the insight that I’ve had, ah, assisted by the presentations that Kris has been making . . . For instance if you think about the Republicans.  Republic . . . what is being valued here?  Republicans value freedom, ah, free enterprise, um . . .

MARK: Profit.

JOHN: . . . profit, yes.  These are all good things.  There’s nothing wrong with any of that, right?  They, they value independence. They value a kind of a frontier mentality that says, “Okay.  It’s a Wild West out here but we’re gonna carve out a piece for ourselves.”  Well, this is all admirable, right?  So it’s helped me to have a little more friendly attitude towards that whereas before . . . otherwise I had been basically resisting that point of view.  But it’s very helpful to look at the values that they are attempting to fulfill.

KRIS: And they key is “attempting”.

JOHN: [Laughing.]  Well, exactly.  I mean, some . . .

KRIS: It occasionally takes a stick of lipstick, we hear.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: Well yes, exactly.  I mean, here’s the funny thing.  The Republicans are in a really funny place here because they value small government and uh, you’re on your own kind of independence, right?  And yet they find themselves having to inject a billion, hundreds and hundreds of just bizarre . . .

MARK: Well that’s the joke that’s going around right now is the Republicans like to profit personally but take losses countrywide.

JOHN: Yes, exactly.  So it’s, ah, in other words the, their, their, um . . .

KRIS: What it may come down to is that their money is theirs and your money is theirs too.

[Laughter.]

JOHN: But their . . . I mean if you look at it in terms of mass events and mass belief systems, the, their conditioning from a hundred years ago, fifty years ago is just simply out of date.  It doesn’t work anymore.

KRIS: Indeed.  So it is now time . . .

ALAN: You know, let me s . . .

KRIS: . . . for a different kind of blood.  Now how much time left?

MARK: About two minutes.

KRIS: Indeed.  Please continue Alan.

ALAN: Oh just one quick question from Tom Sherlock.  And he wants to know if there seems to be any real parallel between the financial stirrings that we have right now and the things that led up to the crash and depression of 1929/30, in that era?  Is this, you now, is this the similar fear and panic that led to that, or is this a far different set of criteria and beliefs?

KRIS: We believe that a study of old crash may bring many insights into what is occurring today.  Do keep in mind one thing, that what you do and decide to focus upon today determines the outcome tomorrow and the outcome from yesterday.

JOHN: [Laughing.]  Cute, eh?  Amazing.

KRIS: Now with that we return Joseph to you and thank you for your lovely consideration, lipstick and all.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

ALAN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Alan, and to Tom and everybody that asked questions and comments there, it’s great.  We appreciate those.  Stay tuned for “The Heroic Journey of the Soul”.  Have a good night.

ALAN: Good night everybody.

END OF PROGRAM

Fred Astaire – Step Aside

September 21, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, September 21, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alan (Regoronn), John (Sohars), Lisa (Lauramar), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Tom (Desiré), and Brian (El-Don)

[ELLEN'S NOTE: On Friday afternoon at 12:30 I laid down for a short nap and dreamed that I was in my parents' home talking on the phone to Serge. He and I were having a very indepth conversation. He asked me a question that I paused to consider. Suddenly my children distracted me. I waved them away and tried to resume the conversation, but Serge suddenly sounded indistinct. I tried walking to another area of the house, asking him "Can you hear me?" I heard a very faint "yes" then nothing at all and I awoke and looked at the clock. It said 1:35 PM. I arose and walked out to where the computer is in another room and looking at the screen, I saw that Serge had skyped me at 1:17 PM, right when I was dreaming of our phone conversation!

A short while later I downloaded the Kris radio session "Other Types of Discussions" to listen to because I had missed the live broadcast the night before. During the chat prior to Kris' appearance, Serge mentioned an experience he had while watching TV on Wednesday: he suddenly turned to Mark and told him he was aware that he was having a conversation with Alan on another level of consciousness. Excerpted from the radio transcript:

SERGE: Just out of the blue, we were watching some show on TV and just out of the blue it's, it's like, "Alan and I are having a conversation, but it's not in real time, it's in another kind of time and place."  And it felt so real.

I emailed Serge and told him of my dream with its similarity to his inner communication with Alan. In the pre-session chat tonight, Serge told the group his experience and then asked me to also tell mine. These recountings prompted Kris' appearance and subsequent topic of discussion.]

(7:49 PM)

KRIS: We trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration. (Pause) On many occasions, we make a reference here, there, or two about the fact that you have many minds. Do any of you remember some of these discussions?

ALL: Sure thing! You bet! Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps with these small episodes you might begin to get a clearer glimpse into what this means: that it is not merely a philosophical, theoretical story or line that we are feeding you, but that it can actually be part of your experience. And these small examples not only give you an indication, but some very practical and perhaps even applecart shaking, boat-rocking examples as to what this means.

For it is one thing indeed to listen to these kinds of discussions, to read these kinds of discussions, and discuss with other individuals about these kinds of discussions, but when the subject matter of these discussions actually becomes part of your living experience, it can truly appear that somehow or other the applecart is being toppled, the boat is being rocked. Someone somewhere has decided to move beyond the philosophical, intellectual aspects of these discussions and materials and incorporate them into living experiences.

And each of you have access to these and more. It may be nothing more than paying attention to where some of the dialogs — inner dialogs of course — are occurring above and beyond the kinds of inner dialogs you are accustomed to. And that can be a little unsettling at first because you get to recognize that this is now something real, even though a part of you may have always believed it in the sense of hoping that it is all true, but now it takes on a different dimension altogether, and by paying attention you can easily notice what is going on in your own awareness or consciousness, what is occurring in your perception or perceptions. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: Totally!

KRIS: As you take the opportunity to cultivate and perhaps even domesticate those areas of consciousness, incorporate them more and more into the realm of your kinds of experiences, not only do you perceive there is some kind of exchange occurring at another layer of your deep Self, but that these other aspects, these other means of communications come replete with their own intelligence, their own perceptions, their own minds. And that you can share in that expanded awareness in a powerful, realistic, real time way.

These kinds of experiences begin to open the door to what you may have hoped for, perhaps even for decades, recognizing the realization that you are more than the sum of all of your parts that you recognize. There is something more to you and that something more is active, it is a living thing just like yourself! It seeks not to supercede whom and what you are, but it is a continuation of whom and what you are. Imagine a beautiful lake in which you throw a small pebble. You get ripples on the water, is that not so?

(Yes)

Indeed. Pretend for a moment that you are not only the one who throws the pebble, but you are also the pebble who gets thrown into the water and upon impact, you create a ripple that keeps expanding outwardly in all directions. If you skip — that is, if you are a flat kind of a stone — you may create many different ripples and under ordinary circumstances, your awareness of whom and what you are could be considered the one ripple. But if you happen to be a skipping stone, you may suddenly recognize that though you are the one ripple, you are now many ripples and many of these ripples intersect with each other, creating a multiple ripple effect. And all of these ripples of awareness you become aware of over and above the one singular kind of ripple you are always familiar with. That takes the notion of yourself into a completely different area, does it not?

(Yes)

And each ripple in its own right has a specific view, perception, and so on. And it gives you information, but now, in the terms of a multiple ripple effect, you have thus many ripples that bring you many kinds of information and when they intersect, that also creates a different kind of information altogether, part of yet separate from all the others. And if you re-incorporate the rippling effect back into your self, you may recognize that you continuously, every day, every moment of the day, literally send out and generate ripples that give you back information in a variety of ways. And they are nothing to be feared; they are merely ripples that you have generated.

Most individuals may not necessarily recognize that there are ripples AND that they generate them as well, but you are in a slightly different situation: You are learning about ripples. You are learning about the many selves, the many minds that you are. And under ordinary circumstances you receive information in the ways you are accustomed. And information that may not necessarily fit in with what you are accustomed initially may be censored, but the more you train yourselves, the more you incorporate this knowledge, the more you can open to your own awareness. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And in many ways, in this rather simplistic analogy, not only are you the one that throws the stone, and you are the stone, but you are also the lake. So you have, right away, a multi-layered experience and this growing into awareness in many ways, is not that far different. We trust that even though we may have used a simple analogy, it gives you a certain insight into the movements of your own consciousness, into the actions thereof.

BRIAN: Mmhm!

JOHN: Well, yes, Kris, it’s very helpful. When you originally talked about many minds, for some reason I thought about them one at a time, almost like serially coming up, rising up, and this is the mind I have now, but this idea is very good because minds, aspects, whatever, this idea of all those interacting ripples is very evocative.

KRIS: Indeed and all of these many minds are in full swing. If you like, in the peak of life simultaneously. That is why you can catch some of them with their little mind hands in the cookie jar of conversations. Caught red-handed engaging another aspect or mind of your own. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: Thus, you may also catch a glimpse into the psychological make-up of those who are labeled with multiple personality disorders. It does not mean that because they are fully engaged in those kinds of processes that for some reason they are more aware or more enlightened in any way, shape or form. There is still nonetheless a difference in that most of these individuals are dealing with deep-seated angers and traumas and the manipulation of protective or safe-keeping mechanisms at a specific layer of their consciousness. Thus the process itself, what they engage are also distortions, but it is rooted in the fact that you all have many minds. Does that also make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yeah, it sure does.

KRIS: There is thus a difference between engaging the process in a healthy, well-meaning intention and using the process as a defense-securing mechanism due to trauma. All in all, however, know that this is not a new discovery by a long shot. These things have been engaged by your species for a very long time. You used to have a much wider acceptance of multiple deities. Do you follow?

(Yes)

So you decided, as a species, to try a different experiment, one where you would concentrate more so on a singular or uni-deity. And it so continued that your own schisms and traumas at that level were reflected through the psyche of the deity that was collectively created. It is for a very good reason that the ancient depictions of Jehovah are often described in terms of behavior more in association with psychopathic and destructive actions and mood-swings. Do you follow that?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Principally because moving in that particular direction meant suppressing, denying the vast multitude of inner dialogs and dimensions that you could access and as a result you became collectively in need of returning to your roots, not necessarily in the sense of becoming multiples of multiple deities, but instead recognizing the multiple layers, the multiple dimensions within your own psyche. That in itself has required considerable effort, both to maintain as well as considerable effort to also recognize and instill a sense of healing as is now occurring slowly towards the shifting of the paradigms and moving towards a Renaissance of consciousness. (Pause) We trust that you are still following?

BRIAN: Oh yes!

ELLEN: Very intently.

KRIS: As you move through some of the ripples of your being, you may effectively recognize, tap into and make use of those other minds, the knowledge that is contained within it, the wisdom that is contained within it. But there may still be MORE. If you, for instance, recognize that various layers and aspects of your Self are engaged in conversation and dialog, or some other kind of energetic exchange, we are certain that you may no longer look at the world in exactly the same way as you used to, thus following along in the development and unfolding of your own value fulfillment.

It is said in many ancient writings and scriptures, religious and holy books, that those who are referred to as the saints and the enlightened ones and the prophets would hear and communicate with Divine forces. And no, they were not all sociopathic! So, looking at it this way you may indeed surmise that this is a very long-standing experience that your species has had, though it is still either not recognized or if it is recognized, it is recognized in a twisted manner, with distortions.

When many of you were very young, you may even have had an imaginary friend or two, which is by all standards considered a rather healthy part of growing up because it utilizes the child’s imagination and it keeps the child busy, but is it merely a figment of your imagination or is there something else at work here? What do you think?

ELLEN: It is another aspect of the child’s own personality and the child has not yet been discouraged from exploring and allowing that communication.

KRIS: Indeed, that is an excellent observation, and it is often very shortly after such episodes that the parents start putting the thumbscrews on the child’s imagination, fearing that if this is allowed to continue for too long, then there is the possibility of looking at more serious issues of the child not conforming to the realities experienced by other human beings. So restraints are started, brick walls are slowly constructed. The child is instructed to begin viewing these episodes as little more than the fancies of one’s own mind, that it is not real, that whatever the child may have felt, may have experienced and whatever wisdom may have been exchanged during those encounters are not to be trusted. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: Now, these are often well-meaning, well-intentioned safeguards established as quickly as possible in the child, but it is also done out of a fear. Any other observations?

ELLEN: It wouldn’t do, when the child becomes socialized with peers and teachers and whoever else in the outside world, it wouldn’t do. The parents would want the child to fit in. And if the child is talking about some invisible friend, well….

KRIS: Especially when child may be saying that his or her invisible friend has told them about situations that the child has no way of knowing, but that ring true! That becomes much more problematic for the adults. Then something must officially be done, some kind of intervention, so the pressure is put on to have the child leave those things of the child beyond and leave that behind so that the child can move into the world of conformity, of indoctrination. And yet, without realizing what is occurring, as the child grows those situations are often subverted into destructive inner dialog.

If the healthy approaches to psychological development with the quote unquote “imaginary friends” is not permitted, then another aspect entirely of the imagination must be engaged because this represents a safety valve for the psychological development of the child in terms of his or her personality structure with this focus. Thus, the processes become internalized but with inner criticisms such that if the process is engaged, the child will beat upon himself or herself for having ventured there. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: And as the child grows, matures into adulthood, these kinds of reproaches will also take on the form of often the parents or some other peers or adult or authority figure and diverted back to the child or the now young adult, but in a negative and destructive fashion. You do remember, most of you, the many times we have also spoken about inner criticism, inner dialog, that is negative, destructive to yourself, do you follow?

ALAN: Certainly.

ELLEN: The inner critical voice, yeah.

KRIS: Indeed. And though they may contain the traits and characteristics of that critical parent or other members of society or family, the initial root of this was set in regards to the demands that the child literally disown, discount, deny, divorce, or sometimes even outright kill that representation of the inner friend, the imaginary friends. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yep!

BRIAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: It is as if to the child that the child has to put down their best friend, the one who could understand them better than others, because it is themselves or a part of themselves sometimes appears to be in need of a burial. When you recognize, as has occurred with a few individuals and as can occur with you, that these events, these inner events and situations, are not an aberration, but are instead the norm and that YOU engage them yourselves, it can provide the opportunity for deep healing as well. That aspect of the inner child may want to protect initially, may set up some hesitation because of a fear that if you are caught engaging with these quote unquote “imaginary friends” you might be sent to your room without dessert! Do you follow?

(Yes)

So once many of these small things are resolved and seen in a proper light, not only can you afford to assist the inner child into further healing, not only can you embrace those aspects of your youth, but you can bridge inner situations and conflicts that lead to an overall healthier psychological stance, a healthier foundation to your being. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: It does.

KRIS: Do you have any questions on this, or any comments or observations?

ALAN: I’ve got one, Kris. If you did in fact kill off or bury this imaginary aspect of yourself because of your fear of what other people would have to say about this, wouldn’t that then lead you to resent others?

KRIS: It may. It is not unheard of, and it may also lead you to resent yourself much more so for feeling that you may have not had a choice in the matter at that time. And once you can embrace that hurdle, once you can reassure the child within, that particular aspect within, that it is safe then some deep healing takes place and we do trust that you understand what we have just done.

ALAN: Yes, I think I did.

KRIS: How many of you right now in this moment perhaps feel a kind of calmness?

BRIAN: I do.

KRIS: As if something has just switched within you?

BRIAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: That inner child of yours recognizing that it need no longer even fight you for the explorations that you are undertaking in consciousness. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yep!

KRIS: Are there any other comments, observations, discussions? Feel free. (Long pause) Certainly you are not all bereft of words and things to say?

ELLEN: I certainly recognize in my own experience trying to kill off a part of myself. I don’t recognize it as a child, but I do recognize it as something innocent within me, but it took me many years to recognize that that is what I had tried to do. It’s only been relatively recently that the understanding all came together. You can go many years of your life, maybe never…. probably many people never understand that that is what they’re trying to do when they go through a particular trauma.

KRIS: With this information and knowledge under your belts, it may make it easier for you to go through different challenging situations, because you need no longer lash out or react out of fear and the belief that you must protect, but instead that your whole life is a process that in itself contains and is the knowledge and wisdom that you so dearly seek. That can have a powerful and long-reaching impact as you can easily imagine or visualize for yourself how future challenges can suddenly be met with much more resourcefulness as any futurely created situation or condition of life need no longer feel overwhelming or imprisoning or disempowering, but that instead you have an entire pantheon of selves and minds available to you to assist you. Does that not feel good knowing?

(Yes)

And these types of inner experiences can lead to an accelerated expansion of awareness. As you become more practiced — even if only in catching a few glimpses initially of these kinds of inner dialogs — you can know now that you engage in discussions, conversations and exchanges with others over and above the physical experiences that you have. You may also know that several months ago when we began to talk about serendipity, synchronicities, coincidences and all other kinds of beautiful little pets of consciousness, when these things occur they are much more than what you thought they could be. Does that make sense as well?

(Yes)

Thus when you consciously click into the idea that you just thought of your friend Myrtle, who you then meet an hour later out of the blue, or that she calls, know that the layer that communicated the synchronicity to you, that which you call telepathy, is the avenue within which you or your consciousness, or an aspect or layer of your consciousness, may actually have engaged a discussion with the same levels of that individual. You received the memo because you are on the front desk and you may not have been privy to the conference behind the boardroom doors. Does that make sense to you? Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah.

ALAN: Yeah.

KRIS: All that to say there are many things occurring within your consciousness at any given time. And it is possible for you to begin to glimpse what some of these actions are. It is from these various points of view, these various perceptions and even layers of perceptions that are all brought together through the auspices of your ego construction in such a way that it can formulate as best it can the experiences you then call physical reality. And it is not the ego construction that actually keeps these things away from you in terms of being aware of them, it will do the best it can given the set of rules that it receives from you. Do you follow?

ALAN: Sure.

KRIS: So it is most interesting when you may hear different people speak and they will say how the ego keeps them from doing this, it keeps them from achieving knowledge and enlightenment and awareness and so on and so forth, and all the while in the back of your mind, you are thinking “Yes, especially when you give your ego all those rules it must abide by, then you blame it for keeping the rules that you give it!”

ELLEN: (Chuckling) Ain’t that the truth!

KRIS: Indeed. It can do no less, but it can do MUCH MORE, depending on the rules and guidelines you give it. Thus, in accordance with the discussion this evening, and your understandings, you may begin to formulate a more relaxed set of rules in regards to those inner conversations and exchanges at deeper layers of your consciousness. AND your lovely ego construction WILL do what it can to bring about the experience you are literally delegating by the rules and governances that you use. Does that also make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries or questions?

ELLEN: I got a glimpse of this as you know, during the workshop a couple of weeks ago where I did become aware of several streams of information and they were being triggered by part of your presentation. And of course it blew me away, but I find myself wondering how much, when we’re focused in physical reality, how much awareness can we expect to be able to handle? Because I became so aware of how much you yourself, Kris, were handling at the workshop itself — so smoothly! — I became aware of how many levels of awareness you yourself were aware of amongst all the participants, and….

KRIS: Indeed. Just as you noticed that several layers of your own consciousness were engaged in various discussions with other aspects of ourselves.

ELLEN: Yes!

KRIS: Imagine then how each and every other individual in that room was also participating in as many layers as YOU were, though many of them were unawares. And we are aware of this. AND there are others, that are not physically present in the room that may be anywhere in the world at any given time that we are aware of.

ELLEN: And you were also engaging in communication with them.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Yes, and that was –

KRIS: (Humorously) We can only say, and ask you now, who has the best party in town?

ELLEN: (Laughing) Everybody go to Kris’s house! Well, what I’m wondering is…. I mean, obviously you have a marvelously developed expansion of awareness. You hold a vast awareness within your own Being. What could we reach in our own physical lives comparable to that? I was not just blown away by the number of streams of information I was suddenly getting and the awareness levels I was getting, but I was wondering how much farther I could take that. It was very exciting to contemplate that.

KRIS: To quantify this in normal human terms would be extemely different because there are really no precedents thereof! And there are no barriers! It is a matter of being — how do we say? — Simultaneously fixed in the moment and flexible enough to enter any moment. Such is the nature of time/space.

ELLEN: Sooo… the sky could virtually be the limit, if we wanted?

KRIS: (Emphatically) Yes, in those terms, indeed.

ELLEN: All right!… Wow…

KRIS: Now you, most of you, may have trouble dealing with one or two, so we can only lovingly smile towards you. There have been many occasions when, especially during a Walk, Joseph will mention to Philip that there seems to be several streams, and we ourselves may mention to Philip that there are several different layers or streams of discussions available that are flowing into the moment. All he need do is choose a direction. That kind of a process is not unlike what each and every human being does. You choose simply to aim for a direction. Thousands of other potentials or possibilities, you may refer to them as probabilities or aspects, are still available, but in order to flow through the one chosen direction, you must ignore the others.

We do not have to ignore the others. We can take them in stride. Imagine if you will that you are — and this may be for all of you — that you are at a ball, a good old-fashioned, Old World style ball, in the ballroom with the orchestra at one end, guests milling about and the dancers all engaged in a waltz or other kind of lovely dance appropriate for a ballroom. Now in your terms, you can only dance with one partner at a time. To dance with another partner, you must let go of the first partner but in OUR terms, we do not have to let go of any partner. We will simply expand in a manner appropriate to suit the needs of each and every partner and dance accordingly.

ELLEN: And that’s EXACTLY what you were doing at the workshop! Well, it’s exactly what you do all the time, but… (Laughs)

KRIS: We have been told that we dance very well!  We always have our dancing shoes and sometimes they are blue suede!

(Group laughs)

ELLEN: And that’s what I thought: that this is a BEAUTIFUL orchestration! It was so beautifully orchestrated and held together, that I was just… I was just…. my mind was blown by that, but I was also blowing myself away that I was still able to follow what you were saying at the same time! (Laughs)

KRIS: We are glad that you have learned to Two-Step!

ELLEN: (Laughing uproariously) Thank you!

KRIS: Now may we suggest a small break? You can say that this evening was also beautifully orchestrated: you captured some glimpses of our own inner workings and our interactions with yourselves and others as well as insights into the interactions that you hold with other aspects of yourselves. It is one thing to have a car, be able to turn the ignition on, put it in drive and go and know nothing else – and need to know nothing else – about the vehicle, but it is also another thing altogether to be able to do that as well as whenever you need to, you can pop the hood and tinker with the engine so that it gives you optimum performance. Now we will leave you to ponder about tinkering with engines of your own devices and we will see you after the break.

(Break begins at 8:50 PM)

BRIAN: I was thinking about you during that, Ellen!

ELLEN: Yeah, that’s really cool…. It’s astounding, that level of awareness that Kris is at.

MARK: Should we call this one “Dancing With the Stars”?

BRIAN: Exactly!

ALAN: Yeah, really.

BRIAN: Or you could call it “The Consciousness Mechanic.”

ELLEN: Defrene used a similar analogy about driving a car. That’s a good analogy.

[Serge asks how the Skype connection has worked this evening, concerned because the previous "Change The World" online workshop session had experienced many drop-outs and signal disturbances. Lisa reports that she dropped out twice tonight. Serge said he had spoken with the conference facilitators about these problems and they were apologetic, but mystified as to the reasons behind them.]

ELLEN: (Jokingly) Well, they’re not very AWARE of all of their communication levels, are they?!?

(Group laughter)

MARK: Nor ours!

ELLEN: They should tinker with their “car” a bit, shouldn’t they?

SERGE: So it’s been a good session so far?

BRIAN: Very deep session, yes. Excellent.

ELLEN: Another thing that’s interesting that I’ve come to realize is that if you’re not catching certain information or… like, sometimes there are moments when I seem to get a download or something and then it seems to disappear? I used to think “Oh, that’s it, I lost it forever,” but it’s not; it actually sort of filters through and gets held at other layers and it will come up again at other opportunities.

SERGE: I can attest to that and I think Mark can too.

MARK: I can explain it a little better: those “downloads” may not be applicable to the moment you are downloading but are intended for future use, so to speak.

SERGE: Is that what Kris calls his “timelets”?

MARK: Well… no, but he’ll send stuff to you for instance, not only that he can use at a later date, but that you can use at a later date. And it’s always downloaded from your consciousness into your neo-consciousness so it’s there for when you need it.

ELLEN: And then it will come up, triggered by maybe an event or a conversation or something.

MARK: Exactly. My dreams do that a lot, too. Especially lately I get a lot of dreams, they’re a little chaotic, there’s not a huge storyline to them, but I’m at an event, a gathering, club — not a dance club, but an elite club that could be a dinner club, or a catered-to-whatever-you-want type club — and there’s a lot of interaction with you guys…. and a lot of interaction, sometimes it’s Mark and sometimes it’s me as something else, or both.

And I’m aware when I wake up that I’ve had the dream. I don’t always remember it, but I know that I’m delving into these deeper layers and probably having these conversations with you guys in the dream state and we’re exploring and expanding and downloading. That’s the only way I can describe it. I know there’s a lot of work that’s on my level being done. I keep asking the questions “What do I want?” and also “What has to change in order for xyz?” And I know when I do that, when I go to bed I have these dreams where there’s a lot of activity and a lot of interaction and I remember bits and pieces of it, but it doesn’t matter that I don’t remember.

ELLEN: Your busy little neo-conscious mind!

MARK: Yep, I’m letting it do the work because I’m too busy with other crap! (Laughs) SOMEBODY’S got to do the transcripts!

TOM: A very interesting conversation tonight, especially what Mark said about asking for xyz and what needs to change. I’ve been working on that myself. I think that’s just the most powerful thing you can do is ask yourself “What would need to change with me in order for this to happen?” And in recognizing that and in recognizing my own resentment towards self and my situation, it’s not really about being angry with someone else. Other people that make me angry, there’s no reason for that: I’m angry at myself. I’m not really as angry at them as I am at myself. That’s pretty much a big realization on Kris was talking about, about the inner child, the imaginary friends and all that, how it all fits together. The inner resentment and where those realizations take you.

ELLEN: Yeah, I think that’s what you always discover when you go through the process of figuring that out. You always find out that it’s yourself you’re really angry at; it’s yourself you’re really critical of.

MARK: I never had an imaginary friend, but I’ve always had a very vivid imagination to the point where I realized at some stage in the game that I had to hide it or stop letting others see it, but it’s never stopped.

ELLEN: You just don’t want to be made a fool of.

MARK: Yep.

ALAN: (Jokingly) You just put it off. You’ve got a HUGE imaginary friend now!

(Group laughter)

MARK: I’ve got three of them sitting here on the couch with me!

(Kris returns at 9:00 PM)

KRIS: Now, are there any other lovely questions or inquiries you would like to investigate?

TOM: Kris, I might like to ask a question. At one time we talked about trust and I asked what does it take to obtain trust in self and you mentioned that there can be no enemies in self. And I wondered if you’d like to comment on that further. These different aspects that we see as enemies within our own self, and is that just an anger towards our own self, or what is that exactly?

KRIS: Indeed, a most interesting inquiry? Are you ready for the answer?

(Group laughter)

TOM: Yes, indeed.

KRIS: It is one thing to ask and another to get the answer! Now, you have built within you — it is built-in, it is hard-wired, psychologically wired, cellularly wired, neurologically wired within you — it IS the impetus, the thrust, and the fuel to always become more than what you were: value fulfillment.

That implies that there is the potential for the situations to change in order to meet your growing needs, whatever that may be. And when, from a youthful age, any of you are indoctrinated or plain outright brainwashed — perhaps with well-meaning intentions but nonetheless brainwashed — to believe that any changes in your persona, any alterations in whom and what you are can be a threat to you. If your personality changes too much, it could be dangerous; that you must not make waves, you must always be like all the others; that you should never stand out, and so on and so forth. And yet, built in your own system is the impetus to always move forward, always go where new discoveries await you, where a new sense of self awakens and looks out at the world through your eyes. When the two meet you can be in conflict, would you say?

TOM: Uh-huh.

KRIS: Thus, regardless of the source of the situation, when you butt heads literally within yourself, when your impetus for growth, for being, meets your fears along those very same lines, you may resent the other, you may resent him or her and so on and so forth, before you realize that for all intents and purposes, he or she whom you resent the most is yourself. And not only just yourself, but your future potential: What you can be! Because that represents an uncertainty. Who you are, what you are now is known. It is safe. But whom and what you can be tomorrow may be unsafe. It may be leading you to a pit of death, it may rock the boat, upset the applecart… And the old self that clings to what it knows? Those two items can clash.

TOM: We would go a long way if we learned to deal with our fears of change.

KRIS: Fear of change can actually be easily tempered, because most of the time you would simply be addressing fear of outside changes. And you know from your own feedback that the world is constantly changing. What you may fear the most, and this goes for everyone, what all of you may fear the most is INNER change. Even though you are always the same, you are always changing simultaneously. That may be your most difficult challenge of all: is to embrace that self, that kind of change, because you may not consciously know and understand whom and what you will become tomorrow morning. And at the same time, it is almost inevitable for you to also look forward as to what has changed in you. So you can understand and appreciate the dichotomy involved here, correct?

TOM: Yeah.

KRIS: Thus, an embrace of the ever-different powers and facets of self, embracing and appreciating that this factor alone creates a special tension that without this tension, life, the way you know it, may appear to give safety and comfort and sameness and at the same time, that sameness can create atrophy.

TOM: Right.

KRIS: So it is as if you are caught between these three divergent yet related factors. They are the processes that continuously create the journey of your human adventure and they are made of the very stuff and fabric and fiber of the energy of your being. And it only appears to be a conflict, a dichotomy, a confrontation if allowed to. But once you can embrace the apparent differences and the energies and aspects of yourself and learn to go with that flow, that you will always be the same yet forever changing, and whatever you create in your life creates and generates more challenges so that you are never overwhelmed by sameness and dullness and at the same time always freed and liberated by the knowledge that you are always a new self whilst still simultaneously and in a Zen-like manner, always the same good old self. Coming to terms with these apparent divergences can go a long way to appeasing your energies. Does that make some sense to you?

TOM: Yes, that was quite beautiful.

KRIS: As all of you are. When you begin to fight your own innate impetus for growth, change, adventure, whilst maintaining a steadfast perception on yourself, when you begin to fight that, the prosaic and flowery nature of your being may indeed wilt. But when you embrace it and recognize it for what it is, not only will you never wilt, but there will be a steadfast blossoming of your being at all levels. We trust that this addresses your inquiry.

TOM: Yes, it does. Thank you.

KRIS: And in order for you to make deeper sense of it, listen to the recording again from a particular distance, as if you are already accepting and quite, to use one of your common vernaculars, quite “chill” with the response and see what comes to your mind.

TOM: Okay.

ELLEN: And then play it backwards!

TOM: (Chuckling) Okay, thank you, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, are there any other inquiries? Or would you all like to return to the very nectar of your being-ness? (Pause) Or are you waiting for ourselves to make the decision for you?

ELLEN: I have a kind of off-the-wall question to ask you. It might be a little far afield of the discussion tonight, but it was something I was kind of curious about. It has to do with something I read one time about a fellow who was able to walk right up to a wild deer in an open field in broad daylight and it wasn’t until he stood right next to the deer, reached out his hand and touched it, that the deer got frightened and bolted and ran. And I thought that’s amazing and I only half believed it and I thought I’d try the experiment myself with a wild rabbit that I saw in my backyard.

And sure enough, using the same techniques, I found myself standing right next to the rabbit and he was completely unaware of any danger. I could have reached out and touched him and it wasn’t until I finally moved just inches away from him that he ran off, but it occurred to me that to the rabbit, I was just one of the objects in his environment. The technique was to, whenever he was engaged in rooting around in the grass, looking for something to eat or whatever, I’d move a few steps closer and the minute he’d stop to take note of his surroundings, I would stand stock still.

So to the rabbit, I guess I was just this object that was growing closer or becoming larger in his perception, but I was no threat to him as long as I made no obvious movement. So what exactly was going on there? Is it just that the rabbit knows something that most people don’t know and that would be that he creates his own reality in a sense and by checking out periodically all the objects in his environment, he simply thought that HE was the one making the change in size or whether an object was closer or farther away from him? Or (Chuckling) what exactly was going on there?

KRIS: There may have been many of those particular factors involved, as well as, if you look at a rabbit or if you look at a deer or any other animal that is preyed upon, what do you notice? Where are the eyes in the skull?

ELLEN: Oh, um…

MARK: On the side.

KRIS: They are not forward facing. That is for the predators. Thus, when you decide to move only when the rabbit is disengaged from observing the environment and foraging and eating, his eyesight is diverted.

ELLEN: Right.

KRIS: So you are not appearing as a threat.

ELLEN: But I’m coming closer each time, whereas no other object in his environment is growing larger or coming closer to him.

MARK: Deer and rabbits usually react to sound first.

ELLEN: Well, I’m not that stealthy! (Laughing. I wasn’t trying to be quiet)

ALAN: Actually, they will react more to movement.

KRIS: They are not at that moment seeing you move, and whether you are growing closer or not is not specifically the issue. It is a threatening move. When you are close enough, it pays attention to you and you move: you reach out to touch it or something along those lines, it has you in its sight at that moment.

ELLEN: So it wasn’t that he was never unaware of me being there, but only when he can see movement does he perceive threat?

KRIS: The awareness is marginal and non-threatening. Therefore there is no need for him to go into flight mode. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: And when his concentration is taken away from looking for an enemy or a predator, and eats, all of his senses are engaged unless you were to make an absolutely thunderous sound. Now if there were more than one animal, this may not work so well.

ELLEN: Oh yeah, a whole herd? Oh god. (Chuckling)

KRIS: But a solitary animal who is usually prey will react almost the same way.

ELLEN: Got it, okay.

KRIS: Indeed now. We will return Joseph to you and return you to your lovely selves and enjoy the nectar of your being-ness that much more.

ALL: Thank you.

(Sessions ends at 9:20 PM)

Kris Radio: Other Types of Discussions

September 18, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 18, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and it’s good to be back on the air.  So what do you think John?

JOHN: It is nice to be back on the air.  Uh, I guess we’ve had a couple of weeks of repeats, Golden Oldies.  Yeah, we’re back and it’s uh, September and uh, we’ve got, or course, our dear friend Serge.

SERGE: Thank you.  Yep.  And it’s mid-September and the weather is getting cooler.

JOHN: It is.  Isn’t it funny how the weather, the … the month seem to know, like I’m trying to say something here.  So often, right on the, on the Labor Day Weekend, suddenly it gets cooler.

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: Well people aren’t supposed to wear white and trees aren’t supposed to wear green leaves.

JOHN: I guess so.

MARK: So as we said, this is our first week back after a couple of week’s hiatus where we were in New Jersey and New York.  And I just wanted to talk about that workshop a little bit and that experience.

SERGE: Serge.

MARK: Uh, why don’t you take it away, Serge?

SERGE: I was partially there.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: But we did have a really wonderful time.  For myself it had been twenty years since I’d been in New York, which we went to several times during our visit there.  It was very nice to go back.  And the workshop itself had a nice group, about twenty odd people, I guess.  Very, very nice people.  I reconnected with a lady I hadn’t seen in, in over twenty years.  Susan Deslisle … very, very nice lady. Uh, it was a delight to see her.  And uh, old friends and new friends and people we had only talked to on-line, um, or seen on the forums, discussion forums, like Tom Sherlock . . .

MARK: And Brian Farrell

SERGE: Brian as well.  And, uh, it’s just nice.

MARK: And I also want to take the opportunity to say “thank you” to Ina and Ella for doing an excellent job at organizing this and planning it and putting it all together and it went off without a hitch.  It was great.  You guys played host.  You even played chef.

SERGE: Oh and I can . . .

MARK: Tour guide.

SERGE: I can tell you . . .

MARK: Thank you.

SERGE: Ina makes a wicked . . .

MARK: Borsht.

SERGE: Ukrainian – Russian Borsht.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

SERGE: Ah.

JOHN: Beet soup.

SERGE: Oh no.  That’s a watered-down version.  [Laughing.]  Oh, yeah.  Yeah, hers is really good.  And, uh, so hopefully she’ll send the recipe.

MARK: [Laughing.]  Yeah and we got to go to… I’ve, I’ve never been to Manhattan at all and let alone New Jersey and uh, I got quite the tour.  A wonderful place.  I can’t believe I waited so many years to go.  And, uh, we had an incredible time.  We saw all the sites and . . .

SERGE: Yep.  And, uh, being people who use Mac’s we actually went to the Glass Cube Apple Store that’s just south of . . .

MARK: Central Park.

SERGE: . . . Central Park across from the  . . .

MARK: The Plaza.

SERGE: What Plaza was it?  The Plaza Hotel?

MARK:  Yeah.

SERGE: Yeah.  And that’s, that’s an amazing place.  It’s like a castle, like a Bavarian castle right there in the middle of Manhattan.

MARK: We actually went to the top of The Rock.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: We saw a sunset from the top of The Rockefeller Centre.

SERGE: Yep.  And Ina has some nice pictures of that.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Oh, good.

MARK: But we’re back.

JOHN: So how did the weekend, the workshop, go?  Hunting For Your Dreams.

MARK: Hunting For Your Dreams.

JOHN: So did you find them?

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Good.

[Laugher.]

MARK: They were in my back pocket the whole time.  [Laughing.]   Yeah, it was a very nice weekend.  It was a, um, how do I word this, . . .

SERGE: We got some feedback from some of the people who, uh, thought it basically knocked their socks off.  It opened their eyes to understanding things that they may have been reading in the Seth books or other places for years.  And it’s just the way that like Kris didn’t present anything that’s different from those materials, but at the same time he gave it a little bit of a tweak, you know, as he’s good for.  And that made it something that they could actually use there and then.  And did all sorts of exercises and relaxation and hypnosis and all sorts of stuff like that.

MARK: Visuals.

SERGE: Yeah.  And it kind of took it out of the head and put it into like, real-time practical experience on the spot.  Like “on the job” learning, kind of thing.  So it went from the realm of the “head stuff” into “living stuff” and that made a big impact.

JOHN: Good.

MARK: It was really impressive.  But unfortunately, there won’t be any transcripts.

JOHN: Ah.

MARK: Because we forgot a little tiny piece of equipment.

SERGE: I thought Alan was going to do some . . .

MARK: Well, we’re going to try.  But there are sections missing . . . because . .

SERGE: Well, not that much.  It’s like parts of one afternoon.  The first afternoon is missing, parts.

JOHN: Oh, parts of the recording are missing.

SERGE: Yeah.  We had problems with the I-pod and also a problem with the flip-cam which we fixed afterwards.

JOHN: Oh, that’s interesting.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: So there are sort of gaps.

JOHN: But that makes it even more special, because, ah, it’s, ah,

MARK: You had to be there.

JOHN: Yeah, the experience [Laughing,] You had to be there. Ah, interesting.

MARK: So we’ve already started planning the next workshop.  And we’ve decided to have it here in Toronto in June of next year.

JOHN: Oh.

MARK: So keep those dates open.  Keep June open for your vacation time, or whatever you need and we’re going to’ . . . In fact we stopped by the hotel today to set up some dates and see what’s available in the ballroom and so on and check on the conference rooms.  But, the man was busy.  So, we’ll be starting to set up dates and all that soon.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: June is such a great time for a workshop in Toronto.

SERGE: It’s, ah, almost perfect weather time.  And people who were here at the last June workshop will remember very well what it was like.  And actually some of them have been asking when we’re having another workshop in June because of that.

JOHN: Well if you recall, that was the . . .

SERGE: Lotus Mind.

JOHN: . . . famous Lotus Mind.

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN:  You know, not an insignificant workshop.

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Oh no.  By no means at all.  And after that one we’re going to be in Arizona in the fall, probably looking at October.

JOHN: Well that will be lovely to take a little trip down to Arizona in the fall.

MARK: Yeah.  When it’s getting cold here it’ll be nice to go down in the warmth.

JOHN: We’ll have a new president in the States by then.

MARK: Yeah.  Absolutely.  [A period of silence, then Mark laughs.]  Silence.

JOHN: Well, we’re just gob smacked by, how lovely it is to be back here.  What do you think Kris has got up his sleeve today?

MARK: I don’t know.

JOHN: He never seems to be at a loss for words, does he?

MARK: No, not like us.

JOHN: As a matter of fact, one time he came through and I forget the comment somebody made but he said that the potential number of topics he could discuss is unlimited.

SERGE: I guess there’s no pressure there, huh?

[Laugher.]

JOHN: I’m sure he picks the ones that are most interesting, you know, and appropriate for us.  But, um, now thinking about what you were saying about how Kris will often present material that really is quite familiar to us, but he presents it in such a way . . And I just had a flash when you were saying that, Serge.  I think when Seth did his, presented his material, that was thirty-five years ago and we didn’t really understand some of our potential, uh, some of our neo-conscious potential let’s call it.  But I think that now that we do . . .

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: Like I’m perfectly aware, I mean I’m consciously aware when I’m talking to Kris that I am engaging him at, on numerous other levels besides the conscious one, right?

SERGE: Yep.

JOHN: Now the fact that I’m aware of that and give my permission to engage him at those levels may mean that he’s able to convey stuff to me at those levels and it never has to cross the threshold of consciousness.

MARK: And I think it actually works in reverse.  I think we engage on that level and
THEN communicate on this level.

SERGE: I just want to ask, is the Skype on with Alan or anything like that?  No?  Okay.

MARK: No. Alan isn’t on Skype yet.

BLU: Wait a minute.

MARK: Is he on now?  Yeah.  He wasn’t on before.

SERGE: Well I kind of felt Alan around.  Like …was it last night?  Did I mention that to you tonight?

MARK: Tuesday.

SERGE: Oh yeah.  We were watching TV and it was around eight thirty-two and I said I just feel like Alan’s here.  Or NO, I felt like Alan and I were having a discussion but it wasn’t in physical time.  So that would have been last night.

MARK: Last night.

SERGE: Yeah.

MARK: Yeah, I remember that now.

SERGE: Yeah.  So, Alan, what the heck were you doing in my mind last night?

ALAN: [Laughing.]  I don’t know.

SERGE: At eight-thirty two I was trying

ALAN: I was trying to be tricky.

[Laughter.]

SERGE: Can’t sneak one up on me.  [Laughing.]

ALAN: Boy, I guess not.  You’ve got a distant early warning system by the name of Kris, I think.

[Laugher.]

SERGE: But I did! Just out of the blue, we were watching some show on TV and just out of the blue it’s, it’s like, “Alan and I are having a conversation, but it’s not in real time, it’s in another kind of time and place.”  And it felt so real.

ALAN: What was the show?

SERGE: The TV show we were watching.  I don’t remember.

MARK: Could have been The Simpsons.

[Laugher.]

ALAN: Well that would make a lot of sense.

MARK: I’m sure it had absolutely nothing to do with the show.

ALAN: Okay.

JOHN: So, anyway, welcome Alan.  How are you?  We haven’t even formally said hi.

ALAN: Hey, it’s great to have you guys’ back live again.  Not that you’ve left being live in the meantime, but . . .

SERGE: We left and went to another universe, it’s called the New Jersey universe, for a while.

ALAN: Well you could tell I was missing these little talks because I was trying to find another way to get through.

[Laugher.]

MARK: We didn’t realize Skype had that ability.  What’s the weather like down there?

ALAN: Oh, we got a little bit of rain a few minutes ago.  And now it’s, it’s trying hard not to be fall yet, but the … I think we got the same leaves you do.  You know, you can’t wear green in the fall, so, things are starting to change a little bit.

MARK: Here we go.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

[Pause.]

KRIS: Those close and those far.  Now you do not all have to go silent simply because we entered the room.  Otherwise we might be tempted to think that you have been talking about us.

MARK: [Laughing.]  Hmm.  What gave you that idea?

ALAN: Can’t imagine why we’d do that.

[Pause.]

KRIS: We could be silent for a very long time.

MARK: But you’re the star of the show.  [After a short silent period.]  Maybe he did run out of things to say.

KRIS: That we never have to worry about.  Even though all of these are in jest, the amount of discussions, the kind of discussions that you hold with yourselves and others can also be a very interesting topic of research.  We have spoken in the past about synchronicities, coincidences [and] serendipities.  You remember those radio sessions?

MARK: Indeed.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.  In some of those we mentioned that you might, for instance, suddenly think of a friend or someone you know, out of the blue.  And lo-and-behold, perhaps minutes later, you may receive a phone call.  You may go shopping and who do you bump into but that individual.  Now if you take this phenomenon to the next level, take it up a notch or two, you may discover that it is not a random situation where you happen to think of “so and so”, that you are engaged in exchanges with that or those individuals even though consciously you might not ever notice what your energies or consciousness are up to.

You are extremely well conditioned, and we must emphasize the word conditioned, to be completely certain and to fully believe, to be fully convinced, that where you are in time and space is where your “whole self” is.  And you have even added to that the notion that you must always be “in the moment”, “in the present experience”.  You may interpret that in a variety of ways.  And for the most part we would have to say that your interpretations are, at best, barely grasping the edges of the concept.  But it is an important step.

You believe that you must be present and focused in the moment, in the now.  What is “the now”?  If, for instance, you also know that on the one hand there is no such thing as time and space as you understand it, but that “the now” is an ever-expanding experience, it is a process.  Thus anywhere “in the now” you might be engaged in discussions and activities with other individuals at another state of consciousness in actions that are completely different than the one that you are engaged in, in this moment.  Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, it does do.

KRIS: You may or may not be aware that you entertain dialogue with yourself and that is a very good place to start developing that awareness.  You may or may not be aware that you also engage in discussions and dialogue with other individuals.  And we are not talking specifically about some of the discounting discussions you hold with yourself or with others that are strictly at the ego level.  But you may come across discussions and activities with other individuals that exist we shall simply use the word, “plane of existence”, at the same time.  Does that make any sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, uh, in fact, uh, weren’t we just discussing that Serge and Alan were having just that very sort of discussion.

KRIS: Indeed.  That is a small example.  By paying attention to these other layers of your own consciousness you therefore develop a sensitivity to actions you take outside of the boundaries of your normal ego construction.  Still engaged in actions, but less aware of them.  Perhaps in the same manner that, even though you consider yourself awake and aware you still engage dreams.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And were you to tap into this process whilst awake and aware, it may even redefine the paradigm of what you think is real and not real.  It may even redefine the entire notion of an external, physical kind of reality.  Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: So in a way you’re suggesting that our external physical reality is as much constructed by us as our dreams.

KRIS: And it can be as ephemeral as your dreams, from the waking perspective.  Because when you go to sleep and you engage dream reality, the notion of a physical reality as you normally understand it while you are awake, fades from your awareness.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: You no longer preoccupy yourself with the “nine to five”, with groceries, with traffic, with calls and emails and so on and so forth.  You are engaged in your dreams.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: At that time, then dream reality becomes reality for you.  When you leave the dream environment and reawaken then the environment, or if you wish the paradigm, in which you have your awakened experiences, is considered your reality and dreams become something rather ethereal, in a manner of speaking.  Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: You wish to mention?

MARK: I just wanted to ask, is this, is what we’re talking about actually becoming aware of what we’re doing in Framework Two?

KRIS: In many respects yes.  You can also use the terms “projections of consciousness”.  You are accustomed to thinking that projections of consciousness occur only when you are safely sleeping, your head on your pillow, and your mind filled with dreams.  But for all intents and purposes whilst you are awake you also engage projections of consciousness, but you simply do not notice them as readily, excepting perhaps when you doodle and have daydreams and you “space out”.  You capture some thin layers of those adventures and you quickly snap out of it by thinking to yourself you were spacing out, you were daydreaming.

MARK: I think it’s a misnomer that in order to have a, a consciousness projection that you can only be in one spot at once, so you either phase out of this one and go somewhere else or you’re in the dream state and you’re phased out.

KRIS: Indeed.  And we have mentioned before, on more than one occasion, that you engage experiences and adventures at simultaneous levels and simultaneous domains without necessarily being aware of what you do or what your consciousness is up to.  And you have simply been conditioned otherwise.  But you can recondition yourselves to appreciate the extent of behavior of consciousness as you engage these other adventures.  Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yeah, a fun idea.

KRIS:  And how does this make sense to you in Skype-land?

ALAN: Well the one thing I’m curious about, Kris, is if, ah, if the, the,
[Alan's voice started to break up.] Conversation with Joseph, uh . . .
[In response to a garbled communication] Yeah, I think so. The conversation that Joseph mentioned, uh, thinking that he was in communication with me, uh, wouldn’t it then be possible for me to teach myself to be open to that so we would both be conscious and aware of it at the same time?

KRIS: It is definitely a possibility.  It would require practice on your part.  And even if . . .

ALAN: Because what I’m . . .

KRIS: Even if, for instance, you come across such an exchange, Joseph might not, just as Joseph came across it and you were not aware of it.  It is basically put . . .

ALAN: Right, I follow that.

KRIS:  . . . actions that belong to the domain of telepathy.  Now, forgive us for interrupting you twice.  Please go on.

ALAN: Well I was just wondering that obviously some part of me knows that this communication is going on.  And I wonder if, if, just like treating this part as an aspect and asking it to let you know in consciousness when a channel like this opens up, if this is kind of a way that you could go about, uh, having this, let’s say “live on both ends”?

KRIS: The possibility exists.  And as we have said, you have been, as a species, conditioned against this kind of noticing.  So you are up against a certain kind of conditioning and resistance.  But taking it in incremental steps to recondition, rehabilitate your awareness to recognize these actions as non-threatening and varied and valuable in their own right, you may achieve that.  But we would suggest that the initial steps and stages of this development be in simple and practical terms – that if you become alerted to the situation, recognize it and acknowledge it, there may come a time indeed when you have sufficient confidence in those activities that you can perhaps even willingly bring it about from your conscious focus perspective.  Do you follow?

ALAN: Yeah I do.  I’m reminded of the story of, ah, that I’ve read about American Indian Medicine Men and from different tribes who could actually meet with each other without being in each other’s physical presence.  And I’m wondering if this is just a version of what you’re discussing here.

KRIS: It is a variation on the theme.  Do know that these projections of consciousness are very frequent.  They occur much more than you can recognize at this point in time.  But at least to begin the process, can also have quite an impact in what you understand as the paradigm of your experiences, realizing in practical and effective terms that you are a multi-dimensional individual.  It is not simply some beautiful, prosaic, philosophical statement but one that can be reflected in your own living experience.  How many times have you noticed that you are in an intense discussion with yourself whilst you are busy doing this, that and the other thing?

MARK: All the time.

KRIS: Perhaps less than is admitted.  But as you practice this kind of awareness it literally takes you to the next stage.  And in that light we will offer you the theme and title for your next workshop.  That theme is, “Your Highest Enlightenment: The True Meaning of Ascension”.

It is perhaps a long title but we wish to give a different perspective on many of these misinterpretations concerning ascension.  Many individuals take this literally.  And if there is one thing that is to be known about all the myths, all the stories, all the legends about each and every kind of spiritual teaching there is, they have two meanings.  One that can be taken literally for those who are involved in baby steps who need to eat some pabulum.  And once you have taken sufficient baby steps, you can go from walking to running, and running to jogging.  And then you can engage in a marathon.

MARK:  [Laughing.]  You can ascend.  Sorry.

KRIS: Thus, all religious and spiritual teachings in your world also have an allegorical perspective.  And one of those that is the most misinterpreted is ascension.  So we will be offering a different perspective.  That perspective can shift perception.  Does that titillate you?

JOHN: Yes it does.  Now I, personally, have already ascended so, uh, I’d just be there to . . . no, I’m kidding.  YES, that would be fascinating.

KRIS: It is a presentation that will engage the participants, open the heart, the mind, to self.  If you wish to reconnect with source, then you who are intelligent will come to this workshop.  This is more than simply pasting a smile on your face.  It is much more than learning how to make good feelings.  It is much more than any of these things.  You will leave with a smile.  You will leave with good feelings.  But you will also leave with a heart and a mind that have been opened up, perhaps beyond what you had expected.

JOHN: Hmm.

KRIS: So again, those who are on an intelligent quest for knowledge and wisdom, who wish to connect with Sophos and Logos, Knowledge and Wisdom, and experience the very nature of their being, will show up for this workshop.

MARK: Sweet.

JOHN: Sounds lovely.

KRIS: Indeed.  Thus you can extract this description.

MARK: Absolutely.  Thank you.  That’s exciting.

JOHN: Do you think that would be the one in June?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Definitely.  So this will encompass teachings that go back beyond the veil of time and history, as you understand it, but teachings that have always been part of your race’s experience.  Of course, given a, how do you say it – never imitated – twist.

[Alan can be heard chuckling in the background.]

KRIS: How does that sound to you in Skype-land.

ALAN: Ah, you can sign me up for it.  The six or eight months ought to give me time to become intelligent.

[Laugher.]

MARK: Better get some books, quick.

JOHN: Maybe you can get started right now.

ALAN: Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinkin’ John.  I think it’s great, Kris.  And there’s a couple of other people who are commenting [clearing his throat] excuse me, over Skype as well that they’re, sounds really great.

KRIS: Then their presence and participation in the workshop will truly make it a majestic event.  Now you may be in need of a break.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

JOHN: Thank you.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John, Serge and Alan on Skype. And we’ve been chatting with Kris about Framework Two really, conversations on becoming aware, uh, of those other conversations and what your energies are doing.

JOHN: What do you think about that?

MARK: It’s amazing.  I’ve actually, uh, becoming quite adept at doing, becoming aware of them in the dream state.  But in the waking state I’m, I have, but not like Serge just did the other night.  But, um, I’m not as good.  That’s, that’s an area where I need work.  Any comments from Skype-land?

ALAN: Well I just wondered if I was any more interesting that way than I am in person.

[Laugher.]

SERGE: I hate to say it but you still have white hair.

[Laughter.]

MARK: And Kris also gave us, obviously, the topic of the next workshop, which will be here in June in Toronto.  “Your Highest Enlightenment: The True Meaning of Ascension.”  Participation is mandatory.  [Laughing.]

Here we go.

KRIS: As we mentioned and as Joseph briefly described during break, the standard views on ascension is that you spend so much time purifying your Being of negativity, negative energies, most of the time which is spent in a negative fashion, because it is all that is concentrated upon.  And the claimed end result is that you will ascend into some other dimension.

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: A higher dimension, of course, where everything else including this physical reality of yours is considered a lower vibrational frequency . . .

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS:  . . . that for more or less, sours the soup.  It is as if you have been in a dirty place and you must cleanse yourself.  Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, as a matte of fact, ah, it occurs to me that there’s a certain, um, resonance with the topic of the, ah, Lotus Mind.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And all other workshops.

JOHN: No, but you remember the Lotus Mind?  You remember the dirt?

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: And the lotus?

MARK: Yep.

KRIS: Now, this little interpretation of ascension may end up causing more conflict and more resistance because the neo-conscious mind, or if you wish, your inner self, is aware of the enormous baggage you have just “accepted”, that your life and everything within it must be  . . .

MARK: Purified.

KRIS: . . . purified.  You must move beyond it in some way or another.  It is not worthy of a soul.

JOHN: Bit of a slam in the face to the neo-conscious, isn’t it?

KRIS: In more ways than one, yes.

MARK: And again it’s moving away from the ego, trying to rid yourself of that portion of yourself.

KRIS: And that is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to so-called ascension, the ego . . .

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: . . . that it must be overcome, must rise above the carnal demands of the ego.  These misinterpretations end up creating a great deal of conflict.  Our presentation is meant to redress this and share with you the authentic meaning of ascension and how it is much easier than anything you have imagined, and at the same time will transform your life.  Thus we invite one and all to this presentation.  Do you have any inquiries, here or in Skype-land?

MARK: Ah, we’ve lost Skype.

ALAN: No, ah, well uh, . . .

JOHN: Here, he’s back.

ALAN: . . . They dropped me a couple of times but, uh, I don’t . . .

KRIS: . . . Words lost as both were speaking at the same time] difficult to hear

ALAN: [Words unintelligible.]  Yeah, there must be some problems on Skype tonight.

MARK: We’ve been noticing that lately.  Mercury is retrograde.  [Chuckling.] Any questions from the Skypies?

ALAN: Nothing further Mark.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Indeed then.  If you capture the meaning and intent of conscious creation in terms of the regular interpretations of ascension, you have therefore a series of individuals who must create the negativity that they must then clear away from themselves.

JOHN: Ah-ha.  Right.

KRIS: So it makes it doubly difficult to clear a path through the underbrush.  What we will be offering then is to actually get out of that mindset, which is in part the meaning of ascension.  And it has nothing to do with rising above the negativity and dirt of the world, but to actually embrace everything.  But we will not give anything else away . . .

[Mark laughs.]

KRIS: . . . until you are there at the workshop.

JOHN: Okay.  Well count me in.  It’s going to be up the street from me again so I’ll be there.

KRIS: Indeed.  Anything else you would like to discuss?

MARK: Why is everybody else looking at me?  [Laughing.]

JOHN: Because you’re so cute.

MARK: I can’t think with everybody staring.

JOHN: Well I can . . .

ALAN: I got a . . .

JOHN: Oh, good.

ALAN: I just got a post from Jerry wondering if it wasn’t the sunspots that are, uh, causing the interference that we’re having on Skype.  And I know other, you know, a lot of people blame it on Mercury being in retrograde, but you wonder if this is an external manifestation of some other kind of problems within our communication.

KRIS: There are always manifestations at the physical level of communication issues at the inner levels.  One way or another you find the means to indicate this to yourselves, up to and including creating the sunspots.  This is not something specifically that astronomers and physicists would ascribe to.  They may think that “here comes another bunch of loony bins”.

[Laugher.]

JOHN: Ah, you know what they would ascribe it to would be to the sunspots.  They’d say there’s a lot of activity on the Sun and these people have just been lookin’ up too much.

KRIS: Otherwise there are all sorts of issues that affect your life and experiences because you create them.  All of the events that are manifested in your life are the results of your creations, including your lovely sunspots.

We have suggested earlier this evening that you may not be aware of engaging discussions with other individuals.  You may also not necessarily be aware of everything that you do.  Were you aware to that degree, it would be extremely difficult to maintain your focus in what you call the present moment or the “now” time and space corridor.  Do you follow?

JOHN: I sure do.  Yeah.

MARK: You would lose your point of reference.

KRIS: It would indeed be overwhelming.  And you are, in many ways, to be thankful that your neurological processes can only capture so much activity at this point in time.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: And as you grow in awareness, you enlarge the scope and the reach of your neurological actions to take in more and more of what it is that you do and what is going on.  Do you follow?

MARK: Absolutely.  It’s a way of understanding how you’re creating your, your physical universe.  How you consciously create unconsciously.

[Laugher.]

KRIS: Take an example of having a series of ponds, small ponds, medium ponds, large ponds, extra large ponds, large lakes, oceans and so on and so forth.  If you stand at the smallest possible pond and throw in a pebble you will create what?

JOHN: A few ripples.

KRIS: Indeed and they will only go so far.

JOHN: And then they die out quite quickly.

KRIS: Indeed.  If you move on to the next pond, throw a pebble?

JOHN: Incrementally larger, longer duration.

KRIS: Indeed.  Up to the ocean.  Now at a certain point in the ocean you will lose sight of the ripples.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It does not mean that they no longer exist.  In similar ways, your neurology is able to accommodate only so many ripples as an effect of your perceptions.

JOHN: Ah-ha.

KRIS: As you grow in awareness you become a larger and larger lake, all without any caloric intake.  And as such, the ripples expand and you have what – more awareness.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And more awareness enlarges the capacity of your neurology.  And as such, the kind of neurological actions involved do not necessarily mean in increase in brain size or occupying for “flesh real estate”, but an increasing awareness.  And that can also be felt from your physical perspective.  You have then, the development of a larger capacity for experiences.  Think of whales and their larger craniums and brains.

MARK: Lots of ripples.

KRIS: They are also able to have a different kind of experience in their environment.  The ocean is absolutely necessary for the scope of their experiences.

JOHN: Ah, that’s interesting.

KRIS: You grow in awareness and your experiences ripple through dimensions thus attaining more consciousness, reaching out to the far reaches of Consciousness, with a capital C, if you like . . .

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: . . . taking more and more of the processes.

MARK: Can I expand on that analogy a little bit?

KRIS: How so?

MARK: Well there are times that we are consciously aware of throwing the pebble in the water and watching the ripples.  And there’s other times that we’re standing on the shoreline watching the ripples or the waves come ashore and not being consciously aware of what caused that ripple.

KRIS: Indeed.  You may blame it on something or something else, having forgotten that you threw the pebble in.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: By refining and enhancing your capacity to become aware of what else your own consciousness is doing, you increase the capacity as you would move from small to a larger body of water.  Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yep.  And the intuition I’m getting is that no matter how wide our awareness, we’re always still gonna’ lose sight of those ripples.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Because there’s always that extra stuff.

KRIS: Because you will never be completely aware of absolutely everything.

JOHN: Hmm.

KRIS: You do not have that capacity from the human point of view.  You are, at this point, unable to imagine everything you haven’t been able to imagine before.

JOHN: I know.  That’s always a problem.

KRIS: But from the point of view of essence, that is not a problem . . .

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: . . . because it is manifested through experience.

JOHN: Which . . . yes . . . which by the way is maybe one reason why essence is so fascinated by, ah, the idea of expressing itself as focal, a, focal expressions because it’s novel, right?  I mean, limitations, if you’re living in an unlimited universe, then limitations could be seen as kinda fun.

KRIS: And indeed from essence point of view none of these are seen as limitations, but simply a narrowing of the bandwidth of experience for a highly concentrated moment.

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: Thus everything becomes, if you wish, ultra concentrated, ultra vivid, lived through the eyes and the consciousness of a singular unit as opposed to seeing it and enjoying it from the multidimensional perspective.

JOHN: Ah.  I see.

KRIS: So it is not a limitation.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: It’s an asset.

KRIS: It is a powerful resource.

JOHN: Right.  And when we consider that it’s not an either/or situation . . .

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: . . . then you get the best of both worlds.

KRIS: Therefore, the sooner you begin to look at your experiences in a similar light and do away with limitations and blockages the better off you are.

JOHN: Mm-hmm.  Okay.  Well that’s a good lesson for this evening.

KRIS: Indeed.  Now, what is the time?

MARK: A couple of minutes to.

KRIS: Any last question or inquiry, comment or observation?

JOHN: I’ll maybe make a quick comment, Kris.  Uh, you know all those questions you’ve been asking about, uh, this is in another program, but, ah, “How do you know you’d be happy?” and um, all those wonderful questions.  What I . . . Just a comment I want to make is that this practice of perspective things is really powerful.  The reason I’m saying that is, I find that when I really look hard at a new idea about who I am and what I am, that is a point of no return.  I can’t go back to not looking at things that way anymore.  And I just wanted to acknowledge that, how powerful it is.  You don’t have to concentrate on it.  You don’t have to crucify yourself around these issues.  You just have to consciously, thoroughly, willingly and sincerely engage the new idea.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And then by golly everything changes in a way that is, ah, is permanent.

KRIS: As we suggested, it is much easier, not easy, but easier to get what you want than having to settle for what you think you can get.

JOHN: Right.  A potent thought.

KRIS: Indeed then, with that we leave you to the potency of your own thoughts and consciousness.  And we thank you for your lovely consideration.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

ALAN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Alan.  Good talking to you again.  And [to Blu] do we have . . . What’s the next show?  [Repeating] The Heroic Journey of the Soul. [To Blu] Are they on tonight or is it a repeat?  [Repeating] A repeat.  Stay tuned anyway.  They’re always good.  [Laughing.]

SERGE: It’s an old Heroic Journey.

MARK: Good night everybody.

Political Storms

September 14, 2008

Kris Chronicles – Political Storms
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, September 14, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and Barbara

[MARK'S NOTES: Just prior to the session we were conversing about Hurricane Ike whose remnants were scheduled to start hitting Toronto during the session.]

(7:49 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration. Just as you are experiencing the beginnings of stormy weather, so there are all kinds of storms that you can experience and right now you are also, throughout North America, experiencing a different kind of storm. You may refer to it as “election storm.” You mentioned moments ago that there are basically four companies that control almost all the media in the United States.

Now you must agree that is a wonderful representation of conscious and deliberate creation. And this gives other individuals the opportunity to also delve into their own creations. And over the next several weeks you will see more of that, both in the United States and in Canada, since both countries are preparing to go to the polls. Many individuals do feel strongly that whether they vote or not and whatever they vote, that vote ends up being meaningless and they often opt for not participating at all. Withholding that vote.

Many other groups of individuals are campaigning for the party and the representative that they believe will represent their own best interests. By the same token, many such individuals also campaign against those they believe will not carry their best interests. But always you can be assured of one thing when there is an election climate and election weather on the way, and that is emotions.

And they can be as strong and passionate as any other topic of human interest. There is often other powerful elements involved in these kinds of political storms because so much also involves the future, not necessarily for what will happen tomorrow morning or right now, but because there is a great thrust forward, a great vitality engaged in generating what everyone considers to be the best option for the future. What you do now, whom you choose and elect will affect the future, the direction of the country; and that taps into a great deal of energy, more so than most would consider because you have an entire nation involved in the process.

So you could say it is a mass event of a kind. It moves and directs and influences the flow of thoughts, of passions, of desires, of deep feelings and how all of this will be directed towards and literally used by the political party in question and its leaders. The influences at the psychological levels are as potent as any kind of severe storm. This is simply a storm, a weather front of a different nature, but its impact can change the psychological and emotional landscape of a nation, especially when said nation may be a world power.

That makes for a very interesting and even main ingredient in the human affairs. Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: What can be just as, if not even more exciting and interesting is to observe individuals, their passions, their desires, their momentums, their expressions, as they align themselves with particular political parties, affiliations and other individuals or groups and how that selective process literally thrusts them forwards into areas that they want to see changed because that is, after all, what elections are about, or at least in theory.

And that can give you, that whole process, can give you interesting insights into how the individual functions and organizes his or her priorities, affiliations, associations, feeling-tones, and how this is also projected outwardly. So it is then, a unique window into the human psyche and as such can give you also a series of insights into how you function, how you and each one of you function. So it is a marvelous opportunity to watch the development and unfolding not only of human nature, but a different method of applying and interpreting value fulfillment because now it is not only about an individual or a small group of individuals, but about an entire nation, or in this case, two different nations.

So the impetus towards value fulfillment and how that will move through time and space to make change and difference can be quite impactful. Do you follow? So this can give you a valuable opportunity to observe yourself in action within this sea of emotions and feelings and passions aimed towards one singular moment in time/space: the selection of the ballots and the tallying up of the votes, all of this converging to that one moment when the victorious party is elected. So if you do take the time to observe it in this way, you might get a different and perhaps deepening appreciation for the creativity of the human psyche actually in motion. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, it is a fun way to look at it. I like the layering on of value fulfillment. It’s very interesting to weigh that and understand that there’s obviously Democratic as well as Republican value fulfillment.

KRIS: In a manner of speaking, you could even say that each individual has particular traits and characteristics that can be applied to both camps. Depending upon their particular perception, they may believe they are leaning towards one and not the other, and vice versa. They may even emphasize certain tendencies, traits and characteristics that appear to be more towards one camp or another. And depending upon the events in their lives at that time will make their selection. And there may be generation upon generations within the family that are — how do you say? — Tried and true in one political affiliation or another for various reasons. But not everyone is always of one political affiliation. Both sets of values in those terms are within the capabilities of each and every man, woman and child. It is a matter of focusing upon a unique slant. Do you follow that?

JOHN: I hear what you’re saying. I’ve got a inner Republican that doesn’t draw the line at a few dirty tricks now and then.

KRIS: Indeed and it’s always possible for you to go wash your mouth out with soap!

JOHN: And I’ve got an inner liberal that wants everything to be nicey-nicey but maybe doesn’t want to get off his ass and stand up for himself, too.

KRIS: The complexities within these kinds of weather fronts and storms are as intricate as anything else and even more so, especially when you take into consideration value fulfillment. You have how many hundreds of residents in the United States and how many millions in Canada, each one turning their attention to this subject matter in one way or another, and that includes those who simply refuse to participate. They too are turning their attention upon it. As such you have millions upon millions of individuals who are vying for their own value fulfillment through this process. So it is a powerful movement of energy.

JOHN: Are the physical storms related in any way to the election storms?

KRIS: They may very well be.

JOHN: Yeah, I think so, too.

KRIS: You have, through this process, a means by which individuals may recognize and tap into varying degrees of passion according to their affiliations that at any other time, they may not even pay attention to. And some individuals truly dig into the basements and attics of their psyches to dust off old passions that at any other time of their lives, may simply remain covered over. So it is a fascinating process but not from the perspective you might consider, but from the point of view of value fulfillment, truly fascinating to see how consciousness literally accommodates every single one of them.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: It may not make much logical sense, but then, whoever said that politics were logical at all?

JOHN: Or consciousness.

KRIS: This involves a great deal of focusing upon ideals, sometimes to a standard that is almost superhuman because the ideals that are involved in political elections merely scratch the surface. You have ideals that are often hidden deep into the subconscious mind, again that do not come to the surface until such opportunities. So the means by which this process occurs is strongly emphasized. You could say that individuals almost forget everything else but focus upon that subject matter for that period of time and it can be consuming at times. So by watching this, observing, you see displayed before you how the human psyche processes some of its own energies; a study that would often put sociologists, anthropologists and many other kinds of “logists” to shame. Do you have any inquiries or comments along those lines?

BARBARA: Well, I went to the movies several weeks ago to see that movie with Kevin Costner where he was in some southern state and his daughter voted for him and there was some error and he actually turned out to be the one vote that would be decided on the fate of America. And the whole movie was centered around him slowly discovering his responsibilities as a citizen and patriot. And he was never into voting and he never participated in any voting and when I was watching it, it actually inspired me as well, the ideals that you’re talking about and the patriotic or the responsibility for the fate for the future.

MARK: (Chuckling) By one vote.

BARBARA: By one vote, he believed that it doesn’t matter whether he votes or not and it sort of folded back onto him, because he was the one who would be deciding who the next president would be.

KRIS: Indeed, as we suggested, there are many individuals who consider their vote to be unimportant. And that is a reflection of their assumption that they themselves are unimportant as citizens, without necessarily realizing that that one single vote can tip the scale. And though some may claim that democracy no longer exists, there is still enough of it that a vote makes a difference, because of value fulfillment. That is the key factor. Through that singular vote, the individual may then recognize the fulfillment of many of his or her values. It seems innocent enough that you will simply scratch or take a box, but you can say that in these instances, that the pen is mightier than the sword.

BARBARA: Well, it’s interesting how this guy, through this movie was sort of like on a journey to discovering the deep values that he was holding onto and discovering who he really is and what is this all about.

KRIS: Any other comments or observations?

MARK: I find it fascinating that throughout this discussion I’ve been looking internally and seeing the conflict within. Of course I have certain parties within both the United States and in Canada that I’d like to see in power or for my various reasons and I also try to sit here and put myself in somebody else’s shoes that would want the other party for whatever reasons and try to look at it from a different perspective and to try to look at it from neutral where it doesn’t matter either way, it’s just a different experience, but let’s observe this. And it’s fascinating, the conflict that arises within me over that, to see my own passions and my own emotions as they interact internally over the whole subject matter. It’s worth observing.

KRIS: Indeed. Even those who may claim to be neutral about such events and situations are truly anything but. Introspection might even assist such individuals to recognize that they are anything but neutral in spite of the claims. Do you have any other subject matter, since political discussions are perhaps out of your leagues?

MYRNA: The other day I was reading an article and it was by a woman who was a contributor to one of our national newspapers and the gist of her article was about a woman being of course a vice-presidential nominee and she went on about how the “leftist” feminist movement blah, blah, blah… Anyway, I wrote her a note and I said “I think” — and I was very aware that I was talking to myself — “I think it’s really important for us to hold the many faces of woman by honoring however we choose to live our lives instead of taking shots at one another constantly,” and that “I will know I will have made it and we will have made it if we’re not thrown off, if we’re not so threatened by the actions and beliefs of others.”

And I was sitting here tonight and I was thinking yes, I am starting to get to a place where I don’t feel such a bully and I’m able to hold both sides, just as Mark was saying, able to appreciate how small town America might feel, and it’s very interesting. I know that the work that we’ve done here has helped me to understand that it’s all aspects of me and at one time I felt very threatened by some of the options that the Americans are facing. I feel less so now. I think it will all balance itself out. I don’t know why I feel so mellow about it, because I was really quite riled at one point. And there’s one other thing. I feel very grateful that our election here in Canada is quiet.

MARK: And short!

MYRNA: Short and grateful and happy that we’re not facing quite the same crisis as our neighbors to the south in many ways and just really happy about that. And it astonishes me how everybody in the world who is able to, is so caught up in this American election. It’s quite… you know if anything is unifying us, it’s not the war on terror, it’s watching these various aspects of ourselves fight it on an American election stage.

KRIS: Indeed and it is not merely the Americans in the United States of America that are involved and curious and passionate about it. You have individuals as far away as the Middle East and China and other foreign lands that believe that emotionally, they too have a stake in this situation and they may very well. Now, how they wish to barbeque that stake is another issue.

MYRNA: Well, it feels to me when you put that together, when you put this election fervor together with the financial crisis that has hit and the hurricanes and, and, and, and… We’re shaking ourselves up quite a bit here. And I somehow feel optimistic that what will come out of the end of it is a, I hope, no, I feel… a more balanced, harmonious place. Maybe because I’ve been asking for balance and harmony. I’ve been calling on the Nine Sisters quite a bit lately.

KRIS: Indeed, and a great number of individuals, not only across the United States, but North America and many other places in the world, may interpret the events as signs of foreboding, of calamity and catastrophe on the edge of eruption so to speak, but you may be more correct than you understand when you say it is on the edge of change. These situations may indeed shake everyone to the bottom of their boots, but again, change, especially on such a scale does not necessarily come about like a thief in the night, unheard, unseen. It usually comes about as loudly as the best parade you have ever seen. So you are seeing the very front line edges of that change in many areas.

MYRNA: I’d like to, if I can, change this a little bit, back to value fulfillment, if I may. In processing so much of this work lately with John, especially some new awareness such as when a contrast occurs in one’s life, it’s helpful to think about what the value is being expressed within that contrast, to go on a mission of discovery. What I wondered about was, do the Nine Sisters represent those basic values that are common to all of us? Could I call Love and Harmony and Grace, etc…. are those the aspects of value fulfillment?

KRIS: They are indeed factors that build up the edifice of value fulfillment. They are pillars upon which the structure will find its footing. In other words, they are part of the foundation. Now, everyone may have their slant on Harmony for instance, but even in the original material we provided, we did hint that Harmony may sometimes not necessarily be what you think it means. Sometimes, in bringing about harmony, a little mud swirling or in some cases, mud-slinging may also be part of the process.

So when you leave the doors open to interpretation, then it may be easier to go through the changes and transformations, even at the social and political levels. And when there are often issues of strife and conflict, it may not mean that it is no longer harmonious. It may mean that just like when you encounter a personal situation that causes stress and strife in your life, it is your means of finding your value fulfillment and this occurs also on a larger scale. So in human societies, political changes, financial changes and so on and so forth, may appear as if these particular edifices are on the verge of toppling, whilst in truth they are redressing themselves. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Yes, it does.

KRIS: So yes, those particular foundations or pillars are active and are rooted in the Nine Sisters.

MYRNA: That’s very cool. It’s taken us how many years to….

KRIS: It is why we suggested you can call upon them as such, because they are not simply dry sticks, but they are dynamic processes in themselves. And we may even have hinted at that within the material. They are as vibrant and vital as you are.

MYRNA: Another question. I’ve found it rather interesting — I’ve gone back to reading some of the Abraham material, and actually listening to the CD’s — and I’m aware of how much more I understand because of sitting here with you over the years. What Abraham doesn’t do — and that’s okay — is explain the Law of Attraction. It’s sort of like “Trust us that this is what it is.” And they make a very compelling case for turning downstream. I’m fascinated, having learned here that what I may essentially be doing as I create my own reality — and by the way, this is coming out because of some physical stuff that I’ve been dealing with lately….

I’m fascinated by the concept that we move units of consciousness. It’s not really a Law of Attraction and it’s perhaps chemicals coming out of our body that move those consciousness units and so my question is: I envision something and I do a lot with it. I feel it, I smell it, I write about it, I blah, blah, blah, and I create this possibility. So at one level I’ve created it, I’ve moved units of consciousness and it’s held in vibrational escrow, whatever that means, but I’ve got to create it. And then, in the very next moment, I could be in doubt of what I’ve just done, I could fear what I’ve just done or mistrust what I’ve just done. Am I doing? Kris, what I’m really asking about is the mechanism for this…. I’ve just slammed up against something I’ve created by moving units of consciousness. Do I then recreate it, scramble it again with my doubt…? I’d like to know what happens.

KRIS: From our perspective, when you decide to second guess yourself, you simply create a particular barrier that may keep the desired outcome from manifesting itself in your experience as rapidly as it could have.

MYRNA: Are you going to explain what that barrier is?

KRIS: The doubt in itself. The fear. The doubt comes from fear.

MYRNA: You know, that I understand, but if I created something by chemicals coming up and moving units of consciousness, do I do the same thing with my fear? Chemicals come out, I create a different probability and that slams up against what I…. Is it just too complicated for me to understand?

KRIS: We are not saying that your doubt cancels out the previous creation or intent, but it prevents that experience from showing itself as readily as it would have. In other words, you are alerting your neo-conscious mind that you are no longer so certain of the first desires, so then your neo-conscious mind understands you to be in a state of flux about it. So it may suspend the experience, understanding that you may be in fear of it in some way until you remove that fear. Then it may come again.

MYRNA: Okay, I’m not going to get an answer to some of this. Obviously it’s very complex for me. I get that, though. That’s kind of like a “trust us”….

MARK: The way I’m sort of interpreting this is that you transform your reality from one to another. You take your existing and you transform it through your beliefs, through your chemicals, through you moving units of consciousness around. Now when you’re in doubt… you might have had an original goal, but you’re in doubt… you end up transforming into a kind of hybrid. You don’t get the full-blown wish/want/desire, but something in between.

MYRNA: Or not at all.

KRIS: Consider getting all the ingredients together to bake your cake, putting it into the oven and then five minutes later, just as it begins to warm up, you open the door to see what’s going on.

(Laughter)

You will get something that MAY resemble a cake, but it may be slightly off. It may taste like chocolate, but this time it will not be chocolate cake! Does that make some sense to you?

MYRNA: Well, it does and it does on many levels. How many years ago was it that we did…. (Pause)… It wasn’t “Heal the Broken Heart”…. it was the other one, it was a later one, what was it called?… Whatever, it was the first time Kris came and touched us on the back and said to us “this is not for the faint of heart….” Lotus Mind!

MARK: That was a year ago.

MYRNA: It was a year ago?

JOHN: Last June.

MYRNA: Last June and…

MARK: (Chuckling) Feels like an eternity, doesn’t it?!

MYRNA: Oh my god, it feels like an eternity! And you said it was not for the faint of heart and little did I know what the heck you were talking about until I’d say the past four, five, six months. Oh, my god, because what I wasn’t prepared to do was to SEE what it was you were offering, or what I wasn’t prepared to do and scared to death was to see the power that we have. I have experienced moments of great understanding of what you offered and I think it has frightened the hell out of me. So it’s only a year later that I’m beginning to understand some of the resistances I set up so I asked to see that power and yet it frightens the heck out of me. So slowly, slowly, allowing that… that wasn’t a question, that was… (Chuckling)…. that was, oh my god, that’s all that was: Oh my god.

KRIS: (To John) Perhaps you have a question?

JOHN: I do have a question but it kind of changes the topic, but I guess we’re ready for that. You said recently that it would pay us very, very handsomely to do a little bit of a study of what prime beliefs were as opposed to acquired beliefs. And I’m picking up the gauntlet there and I’m saying, “Yes!” I’m going to make a list. I threatened to do this at the time, if you recall!

MARK: (Chuckling) Yep! I do.

JOHN: So prime beliefs, I’m starting to get a feeling of what they are as opposed to acquired beliefs and I just wondered if you were willing to help with that a little bit.

KRIS: Do feel free to continue.

JOHN: I want a list of the prime beliefs!

(Group laughter)

MARK: In alphabetical order!

MYRNA: And are you ready to write?

JOHN: I’ll start you out: one of them is that I shall have a functioning physical body that operates autonomically for the most part. There’s one prime belief.

KRIS: We would say that the first prime belief is that you are who you are.

JOHN: Ah. All right.

KRIS: Without this, your sense of self would be scattered and excessively fragmented.

JOHN: Sure, you need some kind of a place to put all of this.

MARK: A reference point.

JOHN: There you go!

KRIS: Indeed! That particular point of attention. Secondly: And just as — and this is not in order of importance, because this is AS important as believing who you are — is that your energies will manufacture all of the necessary ingredients to sustain, maintain and nurture the experiences of who you are. Thus, all of physical reality in the way it is experienced in classic terms belongs to that category. Without the notion of a reality to sustain who you are, who you are may not necessarily unfold. So it is part of your energies. We have referred, often, to your material energies.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: That is a prime belief.

JOHN: Okay. That’s excellent.

KRIS: Now what else do you think belongs there? Taking into consideration these two elements.

JOHN: “I am who I am” and “my energies will sustain who I am.”

KRIS: Indeed. That second one, sustaining who you are of course includes what you call Earth, the galaxies, everything about life as you experience it through your senses.

MYRNA: The belief that it will all be there and it will sustain. I have it.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I think that the third one for me would be that as I change and allow who I am to change, then that will be confirmed. In other words, this is static, but there is a process going on here and as who I am changes, then the material reflection of that changes.

KRIS: Indeed, therefore as your physical expression grows, matures and transforms through various stages and states of life, the whole of material reality, physical reality, meets your challenge and growth and provides the elements to stimulate that growth.

JOHN: Right, now I’m not sure that’s getting to be terribly different from the second one, is it?

KRIS: A slight variation.

BARBARA: I have one I think: In the “Heal the Broken Heart” workshop you were saying that we all have the right to be happy. Would that be another?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Value fulfillment.

KRIS: All of these, which comprise as you have said, value fulfillment, happiness, joy, love and so on and so forth.

JOHN: Excellent. Okay, so we’re making real progress here!

KRIS: Indeed. These are often referred to as your heritage, your birthright.

JOHN: These prime beliefs?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Okay, so shall we proceed?

KRIS: Indeed. Now, all of these and many more or interwoven into what you call “the Grid.”

JOHN: This is what we call it?

KRIS: It has been referred to as “the Grid.” You are familiar with this: the Grid of Perception.

JOHN: Oh, Indra’s Net type of thing. Is it? No?

MARK: The Grid of Perception….

JOHN: Is this something we’ve dealt with? I don’t recall.

MARK: Yes. It was mostly on a walk. I remember talking about dip switches and toggle switches…

JOHN: Oh, okay! I get it now, too. I remember that, too. Okay, so the idea here is that by perceiving, we experience all of this.

MYRNA: And does perceiving mean in contributing energy? Vibration?

MARK: It actually goes back to one and two there [primary beliefs], though. You are perceiving all of this through the physical body and who you are, from that point of reference, as do all creatures on this planet. All living things on this planet will perceive reality from their perspective.

JOHN: So the idea of a grid of perception as a prime belief kind of extends that beyond my point of reference into understanding that it’s a grid. It’s not just a point of perception. It’s a grid of perception.

MARK: Because Essence will perceive it one way and focus will perceive it another.

KRIS: That does add another element. All forms of life have a particular point of perception, thus they are able to function within their experiences of what you call reality. And whether one is physical or not, that particular point of perception is extremely important and necessary for the functioning of what you call life.

JOHN: EVERY point of perception is important. Okay, that’s excellent. So we’ve got the grid of perception. This is lovely! This is shaping up very nice! Now, is it fair to say that there are a finite number of these things? Now I want to say that carefully. What I mean is that we’re not limiting it in any way, but we’re saying that it doesn’t go on forever?

KRIS: That is correct. There are specific, you could even say, sets of values that are foundational to all the frameworks which, when taken together, comprise the ingredients exactly as in a recipe, whether it is a recipe for cake or pot roast, because that allows you to have a specific outcome.

JOHN: So sets of values…. So in a way, correct me here, but what makes a point on the grid of perception different from another point on the grid of perception is the sets of values being applied there.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, human beings, at least what you understand to be human beings, would have a specific extended set of values.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Because what you call animals also have their sets of values, but it must be different.

MYRNA: Because the outcome is different.

KRIS: And the experience.

JOHN: Right. And the same with rocks and Republicans!

(Laughter)

KRIS: And pot roast.

MYRNA: And pigs!

MARK: And lipstick!

JOHN: Okay! Well, I’m liking this, Kris. I’m seeing some real good piece here, for an article. This is very good stuff. Now, shall we try to go further tonight on this, or is it something where I’m going to digest this and carry on on my own, or where are we?

KRIS: We would enjoy that you ask your neo-conscious mind to take that small bit of information and to flesh it out, as it were.

JOHN: Okay, I’d enjoy that, too!

KRIS: Indeed. We believe it would allow for a great flow of insights.

JOHN: Well, that’s why I’m here talking to you about this because you mentioned earlier, recently, that you could do worse than to study exactly what prime beliefs where because that’s going to give a tremendous broadening of awareness, an enriching of experience.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well that’s good. That’s excellent. I feel very good about this.

MYRNA: How optimistic can you be now, knowing that the material world is set up to support with all the energies necessary, to support value fulfillment.

KRIS: Indeed. That observation alone is likely to get many an individual to introspect and once the introspection and the insights begin to trickle in, can be life changing because it will influence perception. Simply to know that all of creation is geared towards the fulfillment of your values can be uplifting indeed.

MYRNA: So it brings in a very interesting situation for me and that is as I think about the rest of my life, in chronological terms it seems to…. well, in chronological terms it’s getting more, it’s not getting less…. (Chuckling) But my acquired belief that as I move towards one hundred, I’m not going to feel a hundred times better than I did at zero, I’m going to feel a hundred times worse than I did at zero. Is it possible to switch that? Yes, it is obviously.

JOHN: Yes, that’s an acquired belief. Because you also have another belief that you improve as you age, like a good cheese or a wine.

MYRNA: Yeah, exactly so.

KRIS: Or milk.

(Group cracks up)

MYRNA: And because it is such that the energies are there to support us, why do we have to get worse as go towards a hundred?

JOHN: It’s an option, according to what value you want to be fulfilled.

KRIS: Which leads into another territory just as inspiring. Even when it seems that you have reached your darkest hour or a nation has reached its darkest hour, or a world its darkest hour, as soon as you flip that perception, the darkest hour can then in retrospect appear to have been the catalyst that brought you back on track.

JOHN: So it might become in our perception our finest hour.

KRIS: In many respects. And if you do, say, scan history and observe those particular dark hours of the human race, you do discover that it can have another interpretation altogether. Some people call it Divine Intervention, the grace of God, or whatever that has intervened.

MYRNA: Well, within that dark hour you’ve identified what it is you really want.

KRIS: Yes. Correct.

MYRNA: So out of the Middle Ages came the Renaissance.

KRIS: Indeed. Out of the Plague came many other resolutions and each and every time, out of wars came unity. It may have taken longer, but it still will show itself.

MYRNA: So in understanding that the material universe is there to support us in all that we are, would help reframe much of what’s going on, if not all.

KRIS: Indeed. Specifically because your own material energies, your own energies, do not work against you. And even when, on the occasion where you recognize you may be engaging self-sabotaging behavior, you can then recognize that the self-sabotaging behavior is your communication to yourself to stop this particular track you are on because you are discounting yourself. You are suppressing your own energies and you are going in a direction that goes against the grain of your being. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh yeah, self-sabotage, when you consider what we’ve been discussing, self-sabotaging behavior must be based on a tremendously important value that’s in peril.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Otherwise, why would we self-sabotage ourselves?

KRIS: And the more you become aware, the less you engage sabotaging behavior.

JOHN: Because the less you move in directions that imperil the values that are important to you.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, emphasizing once again the worth of your own energies.

JOHN: Yeah, that idea has had a big effect on me. You know, I’ve been peeling back layers so that it’s only, really, this past week I came to a tremendous new level of understanding of how sweet and gentle and thoughtful and kind I am to myself, especially in the things I thought were difficult and unpleasant. I really, really liked, by the way, what you gave on a radio show recently where we thank a problem and then ask it for its meaning. That has been a big one for me, a wonderful big one for me. I’ve had a couple of good experiences based on that. It utterly changes my perspective.

Now here’s the interesting thing, though: I find at this point, 58 years of age, four years of sitting here chatting with you, I am still capable of pulling the wool over my own eyes in ways that would shock the uninitiated! And in fact I’m kind of in a way starting to have a grudging respect for how gullible I am and how much I am willing to believe what I tell myself. I think that’s a feature, not a button. I think that’s an admirable quality in me, because if you think about it, if I’m going to change directions or beliefs or influences, then I need to be gullible. I need to accept and run with these new ideas.

KRIS: Thus you can now appreciate the first two prime values.

JOHN: Yes. I am who I am and my energies will sustain me. Yeah. Even energies that I kind of felt were not so good! Okay, well I feel good.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other comments, questions, observations? On other matters as well. (Pause) What is the time, please?

JOHN: 8:54.

KRIS: Please continue.

[The others urge Barbara to speak.]

BARBARA: I have a conflict for some reason. I want to do one thing and then I’m preventing myself from doing it. Even though I believe, for example, taking Tai Kwon Do lessons and participating extremely valuable to me; I’ve found it extremely enjoyable, yet my knee apparently doesn’t believe in that.

KRIS: Now, it is not a question of your knee not believing in anything, but of you taking exception with some of your own mix of beliefs or values. Thus you may be experiencing a — how do we say? — Burgeoning awareness of some of your own internal conflicts and you may even be trying to put the squeeze on some of them. Thus if you take a moment or two or three and perhaps even pretend that your knee and what is occurring in that part of your body is a means to communicate something to you, you may ask what that communication is in more clear and very certain terms so that you can then allow the answers to come up. They can come in a variety of ways to you and they may come when you least expect them but harassing and hassling your knee for being a resistant knee, a bad knee, and threatening to send it to its room will not do much because if it decides to go to its room, you are in a pickle. So instead of fighting it, cooperate.

BARBARA: Yes, in other words, go down the stream. And that would mean I probably have to take a break from Tai Kwon Do. With that kind of knee I cannot kick much or jump. So it sort of forces me to actually sit down, slow down and watch. Observe, rather than participate physically.

KRIS: Indeed. Now this does not mean that you have to remove yourself from Tai Kwon Do class. You may not physically participate but it may give you a different vantage point. You may still go if you like and observe the interactions. That might give you a different perspective.

BARBARA: Well, the thing is with the knee is actually very interesting, because for the longest time I was very inactive and I was trying different forms of getting back into the active and all of the walkings were good and other classes were also good but nothing really stimulated me as deeply as Tai Kwon Do and here I found myself so into it I couldn’t hardly sleep it was so exciting even though I had pain in muscles. I found it stimulating, there was different levels, there was a goal…

So I thought here I am really wanting something very much. I put those desires of going into whatever that my knee so abruptly starts [to hurt]. So I’m trying to figure out like wanting something so much… I really thought after the first class I was okay but obviously I had to think somewhere deeply that because of my previous history with my knees, something might come up. So in other words, I didn’t really trust myself and that would show lack of trust, that my body, that the universe would show everything that is there for my value fulfillment and that manifests itself as well. So just trusting. Would that be one of the….?

KRIS: Indeed.

BARBARA: Distrusting yourself, distrusting there is enough energies…

MARK: When you reach for something, a goal that you really want, something you’ve decided you want, a focusing, a clarity of mind…. That reminds me of enlightenment in a way…

KRIS: Now what does your son think of Tai Kwon Do?

BARBARA: He loves it! He loves Tai Kwon Do, and is very excited that he can fight with his mom!

(Group laughter)

The other thing that is really fun is that I am the oldest participant in there, so there’s like five, six, seven, nine, ten, thirteen in age.. then there’s nothing, nothing, nothing and then there’s 38!

(More laughter)

MYRNA: That’s so cool!

BARBARA: It is! Huffing and puffing and trying to keep up! It just made me aware of wanting something and trying to put all my energies and excitement that I haven’t felt for the longest time in one physical activity and then focusing on my knee as well and….

KRIS: Now, as you will also encounter on your own, you are engaging in a form of martial arts that can help focus your power, your strength, in a very powerful way. And it is not so much that you doubted and thus the knee decided to act up as much as you feared that if you tapped into the power that all your life long others said you must be careful about, you will trip yourself up… Do you follow that?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: So the knee decided simply to assist you with that belief.

BARBARA: So thank you for the problem (words indecipherable)

KRIS: Indeed. Now when you do EFT, you can tap in the regular spots, and include spots around the knee. Tap on the knee itself and in your mind’s eye, encourage for the solution to make itself known so you can be at peace with yourself. Do you follow?

BARBARA: Yes, thank you. And as a matter of fact, last night I had a bit of a hint of a solution when I had a dream that I took my clients from (words lost) to a hospital in the United States for treatment and the news came down that there is actually treatment available for two of my clients. One with eyesight issues and the other one with the knee and the person with eyesight issues was extremely upset that she will be able to see because she did not want to lose our care so maybe I will be able to see, and I’m still afraid to see the solution.

JOHN: If I may? I just can’t help myself but, that suggests — from what you said earlier — that suggests that with new understanding, new medical understanding that you have, that you may be able to accept your power and the knee doesn’t have to… I mean, the gift that the knee is giving you is that you’ve been blocking expressing your own power, right? And so this has nothing to do with the knee, it’s the fact that you can go forward in your life now, understanding that you’ve been blocking the expression of your own power. Well, this is a wonderful thing and what happens to the knee is a non-issue here. What we’re looking for now is this wonderful, powerful Barbara.

KRIS: And one that can kick ass!

JOHN: Yeah! (Laughs)

BARBARA: Apparently I’m a natural.

JOHN: You’ve said that about three times. You love the fact that you are a natural at this! Well, you’ve got this power. Just relax and accept it!

BARBARA: Yeah, it’s a different matter when you suffer with some ailment and you become really angry and you’re in pain and you try to say at the same moment “Okay, there is a communication,” and it doesn’t come right away and you’re impatient… so I’m actually experiencing all of this first hand with more awareness and actually longing to find an answer not necessarily through medical [means], painkillers or whatever, but through understanding that this is a message (words lost)

KRIS: The knee is simply the point of manifestation.

BARBARA: Thank you. Thank you very much.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

JOHN: 9:05.

KRIS: Indeed then –

MYRNA: One more question.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I recall a while ago you had said to me…. I get flashes on the right side of my head, flashes in my eye and I think I recall you saying awhile ago that might be your way of tapping me on the shoulder. Is that so?

KRIS: Indeed, you can be assured it is not a brain tumor.

MYRNA: I actually wasn’t worried about… isn’t that interesting?

MARK: (Laughter) That’s a first!

MYRNA: That’s the first time I was not worried about something! I’ve got cataracts, which I’m dealing with through acupuncture. I know people think I should have surgery; I will not go for surgery… there’s something going on… I just wonder what this flashing light is, if it’s you or if it’s Shara-Leene… I’d be thrilled! I AM thrilled.

KRIS: There are times when we make our own energies known in that way and there are other times when it is appropriate for you to recognize that you are using your own deeper energies to support the attention you give to yourself.

MYRNA: Okay.

KRIS: And there are times when it is a cooperative venture from both. Now then, we leave you to enjoy as much of your own energies as you possibly can and we will speak with you again.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

[Session ends at 9:07]

Kris Newsletter September 2008

September 14, 2008

Welcome to the September 2008 Kris Chronicles Newsletter

Well, Summer is slowly ebbing away, giving in to shorter day light, the turning of leaves and a gradual cooling down of the weather. It all seems to have gone by so fast. Mark and I have enjoyed a busy summer. We moved in July to a great place we truly enjoy living in, as well as a nice and quiet neighborhood, barely 20 minutes from the Beach area of Toronto and the boardwalk along Lake Ontario. This also gives us new territory for our Kris Walk. Awesome!

We also heal a teleconference with the publisher for Kris’ book on dreams titled “Discourses On Dreams” and we expect that the release date will be in late October or early November. Again, awesome!

We just returned from the New Jersey “Hunting For Your Dreams” workshop where we met old friends, met people we have chatted with online and never met until then and made new friends too. We thank Inna and Ella in New Jersey for their invaluable assistance in organizing this very successful event.

Mark and I also visited Manhattan several times and enjoyed the traditional Tourist Bus Tours which included a fascinating trip to uptown (Harlem), many long walks all over midtown near Central Park, then Times Square and all over in SoHo and NoHo (it stands for South of Houston St and North of Houston St), China Town, Little Italy, Chelsea, the Village and East Village, Battery Park – I was so tired of walking at one point I thought my legs were going to just stop and tell me to go on without them!

We had breakfast one morning on Park Avenue – expensive but fun nonetheless. We also visited Macy’s, the biggest department store in the world where they still have the original wooden escalators, as well as modern ones and then enjoyed visiting the Hershey Chocolate Store and then across the street to the M&M Store amongst many other places we visited.

I also loved seeing the late 19th and early 20th century architecture still so prevalent in the older areas of Manhattan, the designs of the roof lines, windows and overall appearances of many of these older buildings.

The workshop was also a great experience. One person attending the workshop was an acquaintance I had not seen in nearly 20 years and that sure made my day. Mark and I also made many new friends at this workshop, and we look forward to returning. Kris was also in top form, directing the flow expertly, as per usual.

At one point Kris encouraged everyone to get into a group discussion on a particular point he was presenting, and get into it everyone did! I’m also sure some people thought that at any moment it would escalate to a yelling match, but it didn’t. Instead, Kris expertly wrapped up the discussion and even mentioned that it was much a part of the process, as the lively discussion allowed the participants to move from confusion to understanding and clarity, which it did!

We managed to record most of the workshop on audio and video as well. I say most because at one point we had problems with both the audio and video recording devices. The video is not Hollywood quality, but will give a clear visual nonetheless. We intend to make it available shortly.

The next live workshop will be in Toronto in the early part of June 2009, followed by Arizona in the Fall of 2009. Watch for the announcements of these events.

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Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, August 31, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip) and John (Sohars)

[Since there was only John, Mark and Serge, they decided to take a Kris walk this evening. As John watches Serge go into trance, he makes a joke: "I'm impressed that he can walk and chew gum at the same time!"]

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and, simply as an aside, we can do more than walk and chew gum at the same time!

(Laughter)

MARK: We just discovered that you hold multiple conversations at the same time! (Mark refers to last Sunday’s International session in which Emmy participated and her World War II focus Yosef, was present and carrying on his own conversation with Kris during the session in another area of awareness.)

KRIS: That does not occur only with Yosef, it also transpires with yourselves! You are not aware of the multiple conversations that you hold WITH yourselves. You are aware perhaps of two or perhaps even three dissenting voices when you pay attention to inner dialog. Different points of view may make themselves known to you at that conscious level. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Any more than that and you would find it difficult to keep your balance, as it were. So you simply do not engage the other conversations you have with yourselves at the conscious level. You do it at those other subconscious levels. These conversations are also just as, if not even more fascinating than others that you are aware of consciously because they help you determine what kind of influence you utilize to manipulate your behaviors.

They assist you in determining — if you use the analogy of a ship and the map — they help you determine what islands you will travel to. They may help you determine what rivers or harbors you will navigate your ship in. They may even help you determine what kind of storms you feel comfortable embracing and what kind of storms you feel comfortable to let by without leaving the harbor. So these kinds of inner conversations are always in action and they represent those inner communications that more or less transpire at those deeper layers. Imagine the entire situation then, as playing multiple games say, with Lego blocks. You know what Lego blocks are?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Indeed then, imagine you are building or constructing different things with the Legos, some you may remember and some not, but you are always building with the Legos because it is something that you cannot prevent yourself from doing, but you can determine what you will build with your Lego blocks, but you will always build with the Lego blocks. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: So in other words, it is an inevitable truth: You will always build. What you build however, is a different thing entirely, and this building — this construction, this forming, this creating — is the action that is then being communicated to you through those conversations that you have at those deeper layers. There are the occasional conversations that eventually make their way up to the upper layers of your conscious mind just like occasionally you may have a bubble of air from the deeper lake make its way to the surface. By encouraging you and everyone else to pay attention to your own inner dialogs, you eventually discover that the few dialogs that you engage at the upper, surface-most layer of your conscious mind merely scratches the surface. There are more of these conversations occurring deeper still.

JOHN: Now as we pay attention, do those become more conscious?

KRIS: Correct, because then the neo-conscious mind begins to recognize that you are making allowances. You are sincere in your attempts to open the doors to these communications. So they may come then, more easily. And this is still in line with the previous discussions about aspects of the personality. You will, simply because of the nature of your personality, you will personalize these inner dialogs. You will give them certain traits and characteristics.

And it is not anything remotely like what your world calls “anthropomorphizing” if you are dealing with animals; and to be quite frank, accusing someone of anthropomorphizing — meaning they are projecting human sentiment onto animals — is a very distorted process. The accusation that is, not the anthropmorphizing. Anthropomorphizing, even though it is utilized as a put-down and a quite denigrating one at that, is the individual’s way of comprehending the emotional tones of animals into feelings that they can translate.

JOHN: So it actually is a valuable way to engage those energies.

KRIS: Indeed. It is necessary because you have as a species, quite disconnected yourselves from the rest of the animals on the planet.

JOHN: (Chuckling) The REST of them.

KRIS: Indeed. So what do you think you may gain from paying attention to these inner dialogs?

JOHN: Well, if, as you’ve said, the second or third layer of inner dialog is talking about where or what ports of call we may potentially visit, then listening in and joining in to those dialogs means that you consciously have a little more to say in the direction of the realities you’re going to be summing up.

KRIS: Indeed, it allows you to participate more consciously in those processes that under ordinary conditions, you would be completely unaware of. Thus, it gives you an upper hand, so to speak, inasmuch as it broadens your awareness. And the more aware you are, the more conscious you become, because presently your species, consciously speaking, is very much asleep.

JOHN: Well, we’re sleepwalking then, because even though we’re asleep we’re busily asleep!

KRIS: Indeed! It is no wonder you feel tired at times with the suppressing and denying! Oh my! Very taxing indeed. Now, what would you care to discuss, unless you want to continue on this vein?

JOHN: Actually this is a very interesting topic. Let me think…. I like the layers of things that you’re revealing slowly but surely and I’m beginning to respect the planning and the forethought that goes into these various layers so that when we’re maybe a little impatient about… say when “I want to solve this problem right now!” Very often, that’s not where you choose to go in that discussion.

KRIS: That is correct and very likely impatiently insisting that you must find the answer now! simply indicates that you do not know where to find the answers and exacerbates the situation.

JOHN: And you know I find that when I talk to people, very often they haven’t even clearly defined or identified the problem! So how do you solve it when they don’t know what it is?

KRIS: What the individual considers a problem often is not. What IS the problem or the challenge is the perception that the situation before them is a limitation. The moment you can let go of that attitude, the windows of perception are opened to perceive more and quite likely discover that you had the solution all along. You simply had to stop telling yourself you didn’t have the situation under control.

JOHN: Right, boy, we’re just…. I find this issue for myself, but very often what trips me up is not really a limitation but it’s me not being willing to accept how amazing I am.

KRIS: And if everyone accepted their amazing potential, most of what you consider problems or challenges, limitations and blocks, would literally dissolve before your very eyes because the more you concentrate on struggling with and fighting problems so that you can have solutions, you keep creating the blockages and the problems that hide the solutions from you. And you do that to yourselves. The more you scream, rant and rave, the more you call down all the gods in the heavens in fits of anger at times and frustration, demanding that the universe or the divines solve YOUR messes, the more you put yourself out of touch with the solutions.

JOHN: Yeah, it’s kind of a catch-22 you know? If your creating your own reality and you think that you’re only capable of producing limited, unpleasant things, then there’s not much a person outside can do for you until you adjust that perception.

KRIS: Indeed. Remember again a few weeks ago when Joseph thought he had lost his glasses. His specs seemed to have disappeared and the more he thought they were lost, the more he could not find them until he decided to give that up entirely and lo and behold, within a short amount of time, there they were where he had looked many times.

JOHN: Yeah, it’s that short amount of time that intrigues me. There always seems to be that somehow just stepping back and suspending what we’re expressing in terms of how reality is for us, stepping back and just holding our tongue for a moment, often seems to be, as simple as it sounds, but that seems to be the solution!

KRIS: Indeed, you may remember grandmothers often telling you “Be patient, count to ten.”

JOHN: Yeah!

KRIS: And though it seems to be a silly old wives’ tale, there is actually a truth behind it inasmuch as counting from one to ten takes your mind away from what you are fighting.

JOHN: It just distracts you.

KRIS: Long enough for the distraction to be changed and then you find your solution.

JOHN: In a way, we just need to distract our conscious self, that thinks it’s a problem, long enough for our neo-conscious self to resolve it in a way that’s fulfilling.

KRIS: Indeed, and it is likely that the neo-conscious mind has already solved it but you don’t allow the solution to show because you keep telling yourself that the glasses are lost, the glasses are lost!

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: If you remember Alice in Wonderland with the white rabbit running, telling himself he’s late, he’s late, he’s horribly late and thus he was always making himself late.

JOHN: Yeah, there’s a lot of wonderful stuff in that story.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well, I feel as though in the last few months there’s been a shift in my own understanding and I’m not quite as anxious as I used to be!

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Ha ha! That’s a good thing!

KRIS: It is one of two things: you are either getting too old to worry or you are maturing (all said in jest).

JOHN: Well, I find, actually…. I don’t know if you’ve… you’ve probably talked about meditation, but I’ve found that meditating for fifteen minutes everyday, I feel that I can notice a palpable difference in my consciousness after fifteen minutes of meditation.

KRIS: Indeed, the action of meditating situates your consciousness in such a way that the usual mind monkeys can take a break. For you see, it is very strenuous for the mind monkeys to constantly barrage you with nitter-natter and chitter-chatter and the poor things need a break once in awhile.

JOHN: (Chuckling) I hadn’t thought of it that way, but that’s –

MARK: (Humorously) Don’t we want to be tiring them out?

KRIS: By engaging quiet time in your mind [it] gives you the necessary frame by which you can recuperate your often fragmented consciousness. Fragmented in the sense that you are literally pulled hither and thither by all the various monkeys chatting in your mind, thus unable to truly function within the premise of your own innate abilities. All of this nitter-natter creates such a distraction that eventually the individual may feel overwhelmed and simply refuse to cooperate, thinking that “If this is the way it is, then I will have nothing of it!”

JOHN: You mean reject their own inner dialog?

KRIS: Indeed and it is by paying attention to it that you actually cultivate the kind of frame of mind that assists you in expanding your awareness.

JOHN: Yes, so it’s important stuff.

KRIS: Yes. Always has, always will be.

JOHN: Yes, it’s interesting and something I think might be worth communicating to people because I have had the feeling the inner dialog was a bad thing and that the ideal would be to not have it, you know? But I see that it’s perfectly clear that that inner dialog is all those aspects rising up and saying “Hello, Johnny! We’d like to….” like the first mate saying to the captain: “You know, there’s a rock over there.”

KRIS: See, we spoke about this and gave at least two different tools at the Lotus Mind workshop to quiet the mind monkeys.

JOHN: Yes!

KRIS: The point of all that and quieting this is not necessarily to shut up the monkeys but to move your attention and the frame of your attention away from the nitter-natter into an area where you can actually experience yourself free of the emperor’s clothes. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Any questions on that?

JOHN: I’m enjoying learning about hypnosis. We have a session, as you’re aware, with Anya, and she’s teaching us some of the basics. One of the things that I find personally about learning hypnosis is that the attention seems to be all on external clues like eye movements and posture and mirroring and all kinds of external stuff.

KRIS: Indeed, and do you know why?

JOHN: No… (Chuckling)

KRIS: Because these give you indications of the functions or workings of the individual’s consciousness. They are, very literally, tracks in the sand of the individual’s mind. You can identify this kind of eye movement, this kind of breathing, pupil dilation, as the prints of various creatures that walk on the sand and you can say “Yes, that was a tiger and that was a raccoon and that was a dog.” So they give you clues as to how the individual uses and engages his consciousness.

JOHN: Now, it’s external, an external clue… you sense them, you see them, you hear them. Now, here’s my question: Have we not got the capacity to use inner senses to gather this information much more completely and quickly?

KRIS: The distinction can actually be more disturbing because in truth there is no inner and outer.

JOHN: Oh, okay.

KRIS: So though you are looking at the way the individual moves his eyes, what direction they are looking at and so on and so forth, you are getting clues into the workings of their mind and regardless whether you use inner or outer senses, you use your outer senses through which your inner senses peek.

JOHN: Okay. So I’m making an unnecessary division there.

KRIS: That is correct.

JOHN: So really, when I am with my intent saying “Well where is this person coming from?” the visual clues are part of the symphony that I’m hearing and my inner senses are hearing other notes as well and I’ve come to a conclusion that is the sum of it all.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, there are many hypnotists and hypnotherapists that literally stop and limit their observations at that physical layer and are unwilling to take the information in conjunction with what their unconscious is observing through their own physical senses.

JOHN: Which may be confirming or enriching that understanding.

KRIS: Indeed, thus by simply intending or suggesting and developing this process, you can work hand in hand with your conscious and subconscious mind in order to assist your client, being open to the promptings of your own subconscious. And the more intimate your relationship is with the subconscious, the easier it becomes to interact with your client’s subconscious. The interface simply is the physical, but the communications are all non-physical. So when you ask the client a question such as when we ask during the “Change the World” course — when we ask any of you — “What do you want and how will you know when you have what you want?” you have to internalize the process. You have to create images, visualizations, imaginations. That is all internal, subconscious, inner self processing.

JOHN: Right…

KRIS: And then, once you have your promptings, you then go from internal back to external to deliver the communication. Do you follow?

JOHN: I think so, yeah. It’s a trick for me to credit the impressions and feelings and quick visuals that I get internally. I don’t know, it’s very hard for me, has been, to….

KRIS: It may be easier than you think.

JOHN: Okay, that’s a happy thought.

KRIS: When you get a thought, an impression, an inspiration, where do you think it comes from?

JOHN: It comes from my neo-conscious mind.

KRIS: Correct. And when you write in your blogs or your stories, the inspirations come quite naturally. There is no confusion of that, correct?

JOHN: No, it’s just fun and it rolls.

KRIS: That is correct. In other words, the conscious mind is literally floating in a sea of ideas and it can choose to ignore all of them for fear that it can’t understand them “because.”

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: The moment you change that perspective you alter the perception. “I can understand these inner communications because I am open to them” you set up an entirely different paradigm.

JOHN: Yeah, well I’m glad you mentioned writing there, Kris because actually, I would say in the last month, when I’m writing a piece, and I get overtaken…. that’s not a good word, it sounds predatory… but when I start to allow….

KRIS: When you get uplifted?

JOHN: Yes, thank you. Two or three times I have caught myself in the white heat of editing a piece and just sat back, and as you have suggested to us recently, I have enjoyed the reality creation process and I’ve just enjoyed writing on that surface and having so much come up. Because it’s not random, what comes up is absolutely, brilliantly to the point!

KRIS: You could say it is the nectar of your being.

JOHN: Ah ha! You could say that!

KRIS: And if you notice, the more you catch yourself red-handed attempting to censor something, the easier it becomes to let the flow flow, because you do not have to constantly stop yourself from editing or censoring, it will occur naturally that you just do not engage that process any more.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, it absolutely does. It’s delightful to…. In a way, I was describing to the boys earlier, for me, when I look at the trends over the last number of years, where I’m going with this is to the point of not just accepting my body and accepting my whole self and accepting the plus elements and all those wonderful things, but where I’m going is to accept my everyday moment-to-moment, ordinary consciousness as an absolutely valid, not to say resplendent, expression of the Divine.

KRIS: And there you have a continuation of something we brought up very recently. This idea that there is a divine, supernatural being constantly scrutinizing your actions, your thoughts, your intentions, looking for faults and reasons to damn you, does not exist. It only exists in that you made it up and you believe that you believe you made this up! You BELIEVE that this is true, this is real.

JOHN: And so in a way, it becomes true and real for anyone who holds those beliefs.

KRIS: But it does not mean that there is such an absolute reality. The ultimate, absolute reality, in that sense, is that there is no such being. And once you can begin to deal with this, you realize that the supernatural beings that you have invented, to which you have given all of these amazing powers, are YOURS. You squander them and you discount yourself to an incredible degree, probably because you are able to divinely discount yourselves.

JOHN: Yes, only a god could discount itself quite so severely!

KRIS: Indeed!

JOHN: It takes miraculous powers to do the kind of discounting we’re doing!

KRIS: Correct! Thus, slightly tongue in cheek, it is more than relevant that eventually this will become your collective awareness. In other words, you will become more and more in touch with what it is that you are.

JOHN: Uh-huh, well I like it! I’m leaping forward to that and putting that in practice right now even if we haven’t come to it in the normal process.

KRIS: Indeed. (To Mark) Do you have any inquiries, comments, questions?

MARK: No, I’m going with the flow. I’m enjoying the conversation.

KRIS: Does that mean that you haven’t paid attention to anything?

MARK: (Laughing) No, that’s not true! Although I have been enjoying the scenery, I have been paying attention. I know that’s still one of my issues is the discounting and the censoring and I think I’m making good headway. But it’s nice to be reminded.

KRIS: Indeed, and if you notice that the more you become aware of this dichotomy within yourselves, the more you may even feel frustrated by your attempts to come to terms with it. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yep.

KRIS: The point is to acknowledge it but not to fight it. Accept that for the time being that is the understanding that you have acquired from parents, society, the philosophies of the times and the religions that are literally all around and these represent the layers of your almost complete disbelief in yourselves. But underneath those layers there are others. There are other kinds of dialogues coming back to our very first discussion this afternoon. There are other kinds of dialogues or inner conversations that can take you to a completely different experience. A different perception exists that you often keep suppressed because you have been told and taught that these things are damnable. Do you follow?

MARK: Mmhm.

JOHN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: And the more you venture into that territory, the more you realize that you are still safe. Please feel free to continue.

JOHN: While I’ve got you here, Kris…

KRIS: Are you so sure of that?

MARK: (Laughs)

KRIS: It could easily be the other way around! But please continue.

JOHN: Okay! I’m happy to be had! As you know, I’m the guy in the bottom of the well who’s gulping air and there’s somebody at the top of the well who’s talking to me, telling me how big the ocean is and I’m getting ready to jump out of that well, right? Now, when I look at my day and I see okay, I’ve crowded my day up with a lot of routines and patterns that really don’t make a lot of room for jumping out of the well, you know what I’m trying to say?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Now, what I’m working towards is some practice, some affirmative action that I can do on a daily basis — because that’s the way I like to do things, you know? I like to have these little procedures — but what I’d like to have jumping out of the well practice that I do every day where I just step outside of the normal stuff that I’ve got going there…. this is what I’m assuming is involved here… and embark upon something maybe I have never done before. That’s my plan and… that’s really not a question, is it?

KRIS: You are correct.

JOHN: But this is where my thinking is taking me and I’d like it to be actually physical. Not just writing, which is fabulous and amazing and I love it, but I’d like it to actually be physical. I’d like to get out of the house and walk around the block and go into another universe for twenty minutes every day and then come back into my safe patterns.

MARK: Well, you like to meditate. Why don’t you go down to the labyrinth?

JOHN: Oh, yeah…. there’s a nice idea.

MARK: Do some nice contemplation.

JOHN: Yeah, I don’t know if I’d do that every day, but that would be a nice little weekly thing. Yeah, I like that.

KRIS: You might also consider asking your neo-conscious mind to assist you in forming something that would be tailor-made to your needs even if you do not know the full extent of what your needs are.

JOHN: Yes, that’s the advantage of the neo-conscious, isn’t it?

KRIS: Indeed. Then, by asking the neo-conscious to assist you in this way and promising the neo-conscious mind that you will do everything in your abilities to accommodate the suggestions as they come to the surface….

JOHN: Oh, boy! Now that sounds a bit scary! Ooohh… (Laughing)

KRIS: It implies that you want to commit.

JOHN: Yes, it does. I like it, though. I like it. I’m prepared to do that.

KRIS: So make it a game. Have fun and see what the neo-conscious mind will bring you today.

JOHN: Okay. Well, ultimately I would be in a place where I was basically in that state all day long, right? Floating and…. but I also want to be practical. I’ve had this little fantasy that it seems to me that the way the universe supports me, it would be conceivable for me to walk out of the front door of my home sometime tomorrow morning and just never come back, just keep walking until I get to India…

MARK: Bring a food supply.

JOHN: No, but you see I’d meet people who would feed me or I’d earn it or… everything would work out, I swear to god!

KRIS: And what would you do if the universe pulled your bluff?

JOHN: Well, I think it would be fascinating…. When you say “pulled my bluff” let’s say for instance, just because I voiced this, that tomorrow my landlord says “Get the hell out of here, John!” and somehow that’s what I’d HAVE to do, right? But you know, you read stories of people who do that, right? Look at all the people in disasters who lose everything and start all over and the first thing they have to do is walk one hundred miles to get out of it and somehow they make a life.

KRIS: And it is done all over the world, all the time.

JOHN: Yeah, exactly. In a way, that’s what I’m doing now with the life that I’m tempted to walk away from… I’m not really tempted, but at the same time, I’ve layered over the adventure of my life with so many familiar patterns that it doesn’t feel like an adventure very much any more.

KRIS: And how would you break away from some of those patterns?

JOHN: Well, I think that maybe making some change, like moving house I think would be interesting… maybe starting to go to a bar two or three nights a week and meeting new people and maybe getting a relationship, that would pop me into another space….

KRIS: So these are the ideas that come up to your mind at this point in time, but if you invite the neo-conscious mind to bring you other suggestions, other ideas and concepts, you may be greatly surprised by how many possibilities are there for you to take advantage of. One at a time, in a practical manner.

JOHN: And I like the idea of committing — in the asking — committing to actually doing it.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: See, in a sense I’m building up trust between myself and my Self there. Yeah, that sounds like a great project.

KRIS: Now if you have no other inquiries, we may return Joseph to you.

JOHN: (Chuckling) All right! Thank you.

MARK: Thank you.

Walk #2

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Walk – Monday, September 1, 2008

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Do you have any areas you would like to discuss?

MARK: Actually, yes. I’m feeling very, very different. Especially today. I’m very, very quote unquote “beside myself,” which I understand what that means….

KRIS: Are you sure you are not being possessed?

MARK: (Laughing) I’m making the effort to allow. I’ve caught myself thinking many times today that I don’t feel well. When I really stop and think about it, I feel perfectly fine, there’s no illness or symptom of any type, it’s just that I feel besides myself. So I’m trying to allow the communication and the different direction, I guess.

I’ve noticed my dreams are very different and this… different aspect of myself that has come forward does tend to be very active in my dreams. I’m thinking what some of the possible…. not reasons, but… benefits as to this change and I’ve come up with a couple of things, one of which is derived around the book and tomorrow’s conference call and the other, bigger one is “Hunting For Your Dreams.” It’s like I’m hunting through my dreams for my dreams…. and in preparation for the workshop.

KRIS: Now there are obviously different elements at play.

MARK: One thing I should probably add to that is that very often now I will ask myself the questions: “What has to change in order for ….” and “What needs to happen in order for ….”

KRIS: And when you ask questions, what do you think usually follows?

MARK: Answers.

KRIS: Indeed, now many individuals are wont to have answers written to them in the form of a telegram.

MARK: Exactly.

KRIS: That someone will show up at the door and give them the answer. And though that may occur, if you ask questions that warrant those kinds of answers, you are asking questions that warrant a different kind of answer.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And the kind of answer that is to be expected, along with that kind of question, or that line of questioning, must come from the unofficial line of consciousness. As such, you will not get a telegram, nor an email, nor a letter, nor a phone call, but you will get experience and this is usually the blind spot that many individuals do not pay attention to.

They are accustomed to getting answers through the rational, logical processes. These kinds of answers cannot come through those processes. They only come through inner means of communication and those communications are through the experiences themselves. The answer is the experience and the experience is the answer. It does make a very big difference. It also accelerates synaptics and neurological processes and it also comes in the form of aspects, as you are experiencing.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: One of them is if you notice today, you have barely touched the computer, you have barely done any online work and THAT is part of the answer. Thus, you have accustomed yourself to feeling that you are only yourself if you slave-drive yourself.

MARK: Yeah, in order to get results, I have to do physical work.

KRIS: Indeed, but there are many occasions where a different kind of result is called for and it does not involve the kind of work you usually put forth.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: It does often come in the form of stepping back from your usual processes to see what else you have been avoiding and one of the things you have been avoiding is at least taking one or two days off in that specific sense. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does. Absolutely. So, my understanding of this, even prior to this conversation is, simply by asking those questions, you automatically set the ball in motion for the change, whether you understand the communication of the answer or not.

KRIS: That is correct. So that implies a certain level of trust in the question and the question implies that there is some form of understanding about the answer. Otherwise, the question would not be asked. So you have intuited in some ways, from another level of your consciousness, that there are answers there. You had to provide the kind of questions to bring the answer forth.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: The same way that one type of key can only open one type of lock. You cannot simply use different keys to gain access to the one lock. They will not work. And often a good locksmith knows what kind of lock and tumblers are involved and simply finds the right key. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Now, you are also dealing with a certain level of expectation for your upcoming workshop.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And that kind of expectation is not in your best interest to keep mulling. Our suggestion in this particular area is to take the workshop and make the best possible use of that opportunity.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: You understand what that means.

MARK: Yes, I do. Allow. Just go down and enjoy.

KRIS: Indeed. Again, be a good locksmith. It too may be a key.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Do you have another inquiry?

MARK: No, that’s what’s been on my mind. A lot of the questions that I’ve been asking, these two questions over and over, are not on the same topic. They’re for different issues that come along and challenges or different desires even. So I’ve been making good effort to pay attention, ask the questions, notice answers and even more so, notice where I am denying the answer or repetitive behavior of mind monkeys and such.

KRIS: Indeed, as you heard on your television program, simply because a thing is unknown does not mean it is cause to fear it. In applying it to this situation, simply because you may not fully, consciously grasp the movement of your consciousness, the actions of your consciousness, is no reason to automatically fear. What else is on your mind?

MARK: Well, there’s the book, there’s customs…

KRIS: These are issues of customs that you have dealt with.

MARK: I acknowledge that. I…. have been acknowledging that. And by rights, because of the airport that we chose, this should be even easier, but there’s still that portion of me that’s nervous.

KRIS: It is a part that is contemplating only from the perspective of yesterday, therefore “if it happened in the past, it is bound to happen in the future.”

MARK: Yes. But I also know, especially since crossing the border the last time, that it’s getting so much easier. Joseph and Philip are getting the hang of this and it’s getting easier every time. They joke with us now. It’s just easier.

KRIS: And what of the book?

MARK: Oh, I’m excited. I want it out before Christmas and again, you know me, I pressure myself for results. Always trying to make it better or wanting to do something different, but not wanting to delay its grand entrance into the world. But to be quite honest, I’m comfortable. I think about it, yes. I’m satisfied with what I’ve done and it’s moving forward. It’s exciting. And there’s unknowns. A lot of those unknowns will be resolved tomorrow, but nothing major. Nothing to depress me or anything like that, it’s just unknowns. It’s been a very busy year for us and a very busy summer and at times I feel a little overwhelmed, but it’s been a very enlightening year for me.

KRIS: Indeed. May we suggest that you listen to a set of words you have just now used: “I feel overwhelmed.” Listen to the construction of the sentence and what it implies. What does it tell you?

MARK: It’s almost a command.

KRIS: What else does it say?

MARK: It’s a negative. It’s a mind monkey type of comment.

KRIS: It also states that you forego other things that you could feel, so it says “I choose to feel overwhelmed. I put myself in that kind of situation that I will feel overwhelmed.” And at the same time, “I do not choose other expressions.” Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do. I find that I am improving in that category. There were times last year even that I was really overwhelmed constantly. And this year, although I’m busier per se, I’m feeling less overwhelmed.

KRIS: And do you have an inkling of where these types of feelings come from, apart from the particular choice in tone? Separate from other things you could feel. What happens when you feel overwhelmed?

MARK: I start to get down on myself and let the mind monkeys step in.

KRIS: And what else?

MARK: And, like you said, I don’t allow myself to feel other expressions, other situations.

KRIS: Indeed. Though on one hand, in context of discussions we have been holding, generating or choosing or focusing upon that particular feeling-tone would have to serve a purpose.

MARK: Mmhm, value fulfillment.

KRIS: It is something that at one point, was valuable. Think back to a time when you actually needed to feel overwhelmed so that you would literally focus only on the things that would overwhelm you so that you do not have to focus on other things.

MARK: Mmhm. Scary time.

KRIS: And it has been going on for a long time.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Perhaps more than two, perhaps three decades now.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So at that time in your youth, it did serve a purpose. It refocused the frame of your attention so that you did not have to pay attention to everything relating to the home environment. And you have used it to drive yourself, but you now also realize that driving yourself with that particular energy may not serve the kind of purpose you want as an outcome, though you can still glean some very useful things from it. It is as if now you have convinced yourself that you must accept the entire kit and caboodle while all you need is the kit.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: What do you think could be done about this?

MARK: Well, there could be conscious choices not to keep following those behaviors.

KRIS: For instance, you utilized the words “I feel overwhelmed.” And you may even be so aware that you catch yourself with your hand in the cookie jar of overwhelming and when you do that, you have an option: You can suddenly recognize that you may be doing yourself something you don’t want to get into, but out of force of habit, long-standing habit, you may think you don’t have any other option. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does. I think a huge step for me in the right direction for me here was when I went from full time to part time and it changed my outlook, or allowed me to change my outlook, and catch myself now. It becomes much easier to catch myself in the cookie jar.

KRIS: So what other choices could you offer yourself and allow to happen? In other words, what would have to happen to go from feeling overwhelmed to being in control?

MARK: Taking time off. Doing what we did today and staying away from the computer. I don’t have to be on that thing seven days a week. And I’m realizing that there’s not a huge benefit to having the transcriptions up within minutes or days or hours. People can wait a week or so.

KRIS: What else?

MARK: Even when we were in Arizona, everybody’s out talking, gathering and socializing and I’m trying to upload the files so they get transcribed fast and I missed some of that interacting and socializing and it’s a lesson learned. It doesn’t have to be repeated. We’re in a very good situation right now.

KRIS: May we suggest a simple process to improve that? Firstly, becoming aware that you have choices, that it is possible for you to focus on something other than feeling overwhelmed can be of immense potential. You may even, at that moment, create imagery and visualize what feeling overwhelmed represents to you.

Say, for instance, feeling overwhelmed may represent stacks and stacks of paperwork and books so high in the room that you cannot see the light of day as if it has become a veritable prison of sorts. And becoming aware of that, feeling the closeness of the books, the height of the stacks, the oppressive scent, suddenly begin to take the stacks down until you can see the window and open said window so you can breathe the fresh air, see the light of day, see the clouds, see the sky, which would prevent feeling overwhelmed. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: And then simply breathe that in until you feel those tones move away from the habitual responses or programs and select something different. Also, have a regular newsletter. It need not be large, something like the last one you sent out wherein we discussed the seeds of the cosmos and put a special note in each of these newsletters with one of your Paypal buttons, soliciting small donations, perhaps five or ten dollars, whatever the individual can afford, in order to continue maintaining the upkeep of the website, the diffusion of or the dissemination of the material. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: A simple thing, unobtrusive, but that since the reader is deriving an understanding, shifting their perception, even an awareness, certainly warrants a small contribution in return that makes for an effective communication. You might even point out that you know not everyone can afford a session or a block of sessions but perhaps they can afford a five or ten dollar contribution. A simple donation in return for the transcript, the newsletter, and everything they gather from the website.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Anything else that you would care to discuss?

MARK: Not off the top of my head. In my noticing I’ve been coming across a lot of synchronicities and a lot of changes in a good respect, in a positive manner and it’s good, it’s exciting to see the changes. I’m very happy in my home life, very comfortable in this new residence, and I’ve become aware that I’m more clutter-free than I’ve ever been in my life — externally, which is representative of internally — and I’m enjoying that. I’m really enjoying the environment that we’re living in now, neighbors, and it’s fun. I haven’t had that for a very long time. And I see the blessing of the home ceremony worked very nicely.

KRIS: It takes its own forms.

MARK: Do you have anything to add?

KRIS: Nothing particular on any specific subject, though any window of opportunity can simply open up.

MARK: One thing I’m considering is a big June workshop in Toronto next year and Joseph and I are going to start seeing what we could do to make that happen and if it’s the right thing for us to do at that time; look into our options. (Chuckling) I know I don’t have to worry about you. Any comments?

KRIS: Work out your logistics and put your plans into action.

MARK: Oh, some time ago now, before we even realized that we were moving, Kwaa’Ji had a dream where she was in Toronto with us, we sat on a park bench, Joseph was moving in, and she had come to see our new house, and I called her “Domino.” Can you elaborate on that?

KRIS: What was the tone of the dream?

MARK: Oh, very friendly. She’d come to help us move in, I believe, and help us warm the house, so to speak. We were sitting on a bench somewhere and both she and I take it that that was a little bit of a bleed-through from another focus; a combination of a prediction that we would be moving, but also little bits of bleed-throughs from other lives.

KRIS: What you remembered of the dream…

MARK: Her dream. It was her dream.

KRIS: What was remembered of the dream was a very small part of a much bigger scenario. As we described briefly yesterday, that there are other, deeper layers of the Self that also communicate, that you can make yourself aware of…

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: We believe that, as you have pointed out, there were other bleed-throughs. Bleed-throughs, like layers, are also nested one into the other, so that means that some decisions made at some of these other layers may create a domino effect in terms of consciousness.

MARK: Ah! (Chuckling)

KRIS: This can be just as, if not even more so, felt there at the physical level, because even the physical level is still another layer of your consciousness. From our perspective, certain decisions and actions are related to not only the move but everything this would generate afterwards. And it is only through a developing awareness that a human being gradually becomes awakened and conscious to these deeper communications, specifically in that you can begin to develop sufficient sensitivity to realize that one action generates another, generates another, and further down the line of these generations of actions, this is one highly probable outcome.

That is, in some respects, what human beings have been trying to figure out since the dawn of time, but it takes a particular kind of awareness to take it into account, into consideration, into context, as a viable factor in yet other outcomes. Does that make any sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: It is said that aboriginal natives gather for counsel meetings and before they make any decision that will impact the lives of others whether minimally or powerfully, will seek advice into seven generations into the future. And it is not an arduous process; it can be achieved.

These may not necessarily be defined or concrete outcomes, but they are all potentials. This leads into a greater awareness and sensitivity for the respect of others — the respect of others’ rights to be — so that your decisions do not take away or impinge upon that right for the other to be and express himself or herself. Thus, from such a simple dream, or at least those few images that were captured, there are other, deeper layers of meaning that may have escaped at that time. What do you gather from that perspective?

MARK: That Kwaa’Ji, when she became aware of that dream, caught some of the deeper meanings and repercussions or potentials that could be had during that communication. Or maybe we both did in a shared dream.

KRIS: And what else could you bring up?

MARK: Closer analysis of that dream could reveal a lot more understanding.

KRIS: Indeed. It is possible to call upon some of these deeper layers of awareness, even if you do not know what they are, but you can be certain that they exist. Thus, by calling upon them to make themselves known to your conscious mind, you can again share in a deeper wisdom.

MARK: That makes sense. So we could even ask for further verification or further insights?

KRIS: Indeed. All that would be required is to return to the atmosphere of the dream and let what is within it show itself. What would that allow anyone in particular to do?

MARK: It’s very empowering. Again, as in the walk with Sohars, we realized that it gives the individual more control or more say in the creation of what they’re creating. More conscious awareness of what they’re creating.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: More choices. More information.

KRIS: The ebbs and tides of awareness within your species is in part one of the reasons why you feel so insecure with yourselves. You have assumed that the self must always be what you think it is or should be. And when you encounter changes, anomalies or fluctuations in that particular idea or image, you become concerned, often overly so, thinking that perhaps something is wrong, that you had best run to the medicine cabinet simply because you fear.

And yet, if you simply allowed often the slightest amount of time to go by for the experience to unravel, your lives would likely be tremendously enriched. But it is often not what you do. Going back to your opening statements: you don’t feel quite yourself. The usual tendency is to assume that obviously then, something is wrong. But you do not know who your whole Self is and when it tries to make itself known to you, you use the equivalent of a taser gun, psychologically speaking. You try to subdue it and control it and you may indeed be robbing yourself of a tremendously enriching experience.

MARK: Well, I’m very grateful for some of the conversations we’ve had lately because it allowed me to pursue this feeling and allow it to unfold, and even bring about this conversation.

KRIS: Everyone experiences their growth, their transformation, the shift within their paradigms in a unique fashion to them, though the principles are the same for everyone. It is simply expressed differently. And yet, there are also many, many distortions about these things. Most of them simply out of an ignorance based upon fear and it is in many ways a hamster wheel. If it is unknown, it has to be feared, therefore if it is to be feared, it must not be known. And many individuals are wont to explore these subject matters, but only inasmuch as it stays within the bounds of what they think they know.

MARK: Yes, that makes sense.

KRIS: As you have all sorts of material that by their very nature and approach, though well-intentioned, must still bring about a large amount of distortion. And on the other hand, you have others who present material that may claim to be less or even least distorted, and as such, may even present more distortions, causing often a great amount of confusion. We are not saying ours is better or lesser than any others, but we are saying that it is in your own best interest to develop awareness and know that you teach yourself what you need. Any final comments?

MARK: No, that makes sense to me.

KRIS: Then we will return Joseph to you.

MARK: Thank you.

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