Kris Radio: Clearing the Fog of Confusion
August 28, 2008
Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 28, 2008
MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John Hawkins.
JOHN: Well thank you Mark for that lovely introduction. I never know what to say really when you introduce me, apart from just saying thank you, happy to be here, and I’m going to introduce Serge.
SERGE: Thank you John. And I’m sitting here with the two of you. And there you go.
MARK: Sweet.
SERGE: And we have it.
MARK: Welcome back to another Thursday evening of Kris Radio and actually, Serge and I are really, really, really excited, because . . .
SERGE: Yeah. Because do you know what that means? In one week we are in New Jersey.
JOHN: Lovely.
MARK: “Hunting for your Dreams” workshop. It’s, ah, oh, I hear Alan.
ALAN: Yeah I’m here. How are you guys doing?
MARK: Good. How are you?
ALAN: Ah. Just great. Just great.
MARK: We’re just talking about; we’re going to be in New Jersey next week at this time.
ALAN: Yeah. I’m going to have to talk to reruns.
(Laughter.)
MARK: Yeah. There’s going to be two, uh, the next two radio shows will be reruns because we’re ah . . .
ALAN: And maybe we’ll get the questions worked out by then.
(Laugher.)
MARK: I’ll bet you twenty dollars on the answer.
(Laugher.)
MARK: Yeah, we’re actually really excited. Ah, there are a lot of people coming to the New Jersey workshop, and there are a lot of faces that we haven’t met yet.
SERGE: Yep.
MARK: Some people we’ve never met. Ah, some people we only know through Skype and the phone and the transcripts but have never met in person.
JOHN: Really.
MARK: And then of course there’s the old favorites, you know. There’s the Delaware group’s going to be there, and the New Jersey group’s going to be there.
JOHN: Is Brian coming?
MARK: Brian’s coming!
JOHN: Well great.
MARK: We’re excited.
JOHN: I think that will be his first “in person”.
MARK: Yeah, it is. Yep.
JOHN: Uh-huh.
MARK: He’s one of those faces we’ve not met.
JOHN: Good for you, Brian.
MARK: Yeah, it’s incredible. It’s finally . . . of course, today was my last day of work for a while because of the trip. And, uh, it’s finally sunk in. It’s hitting home that we’re going. This is happening. We’re hunting for our dreams.
JOHN: Well that will be lovely, I’m sure. Now just a quick question. Is there time for somebody who is a little bit of a late . . .
MARK: Absolutely.
JOHN: Can you still get . . .?
MARK: Always.
JOHN: Okay.
SERGE: If, in fact, um, what we’ve done on the website is, if anybody wants to come into the workshop, there’s an email address for Ina. And they can communicate with her directly.
JOHN: Oh, fine.
SERGE: By email.
MARK: Either Ina or Ella, both.
SERGE: And, uh, take it from there.
JOHN: Because you know, some people make a decision to attend something like that at the last minute.
SERGE: Yep.
JOHN: I’ve done that myself.
MARK: Yeah. We’ve noticed.
(Laugher.)
SERGE: We sometimes decide to show up for a workshop just at the last minute.
(Laugher.)
MARK: Serge is still undecided whether he’s coming or not.
JOHN: Well you guys don’t have any choice. You’ve gotta’ lay your plans out pretty good in advance, don’t you?
SERGE: Yep. So it will be nice to walk in there and see all these new people, friends and um . . .
MARK: Now, I’ve been to the New Jersey airport before, but I’ve never seen New Jersey and I’ve never seen New York other than from the air as we’re banking in.
JOHN: Right.
SERGE: And it’s been literally twenty years since I’ve been in New York.
MARK: I think it’s changed a little.
SERGE: Yeah, so I hear.
JOHN: Well I think it was Ellen who was saying that Biden, who is the new V.P. pick for Obama, that’s his state, New Jersey.
MARK: No. Nope. Delaware.
JOHN: Delaware. Oh, okay.
MARK: Delaware. Ellen’s from Delaware.
JOHN: Oh, I see.
MAEK: Yeah. Speaking of, that’s gotten really interesting since he picked Biden.
JOHN: Yeah.
MARK: I think that’s a, going to be actually very interesting election to watch.
JOHN: Yeah, well it has been, you know. And it’s certainly going to pick up now. I mean, I think the last month has been kind of the doldrums.
MARK: I’m putting my beliefs on Obama.
(Laugher.)
JOHN: Okay.
MARK: See what kind of reality I can create here.
SERGE: Well he’s not a lizard people, is he?
(Laugher.)
JOHN: No, I don’t think so.
SERGE: Hugh’s smiling.
MARK: (Sound of loud horns in the background.) Oh, there’s the horns.
“So You Want to Change the World”, that’s going to have, okay we’re going to have to skip a week there as well.
JOHN: Oh, are you? Next week or the week after?
SERGE: Um,
MARK: Not next week. Next week it’s normal.
SERGE: We just skip one week.
MARK: Yeah.
SERGE: Because we’re still here next Tuesday, but it’s the following Tuesday we’re not.
JOHN: Uh-huh.
SERGE: So . . .
MARK: We’re leaving on a Thursday and we’re coming back on a Thursday. That’s why we’re missing two radios.
JOHN: Okay.
ALAN: Hey guys, we’ve got some people asking on Skype if there’s any CMI this weekend.
MARK: Uh, all the CMI dates, they’re posted on the schedule on the Kris Chronicles website.
SERGE: I don’t think there’s any for this weekend.
MARK: I can’t remember if it’s this weekend or not.
SERGE: ‘Cause we had the Saturday and we had the Sunday.
MARK: Yeah. We’ve already had two for the month of August.
SERGE: Yeah.
MARK: And the September, October and November are all posted.
SERGE: Yeah.
MARK: So if you go to the krischronicles.com website, click on that schedule button, it’ll show you all the dates.
Usually I’m only posting them one or two in advance. I’ve got the next six up there, six or eight up there. I’m ahead of the game. Whoo-hoo.
ALAN: Well as long as it’s only two a month. We don’t want to get over-mentored.
JOHN: Oh . . .
SERGE: You don’t want to get over-CMI’d.
MARK: Between the CMI and “You Want to Change the World”, the International, the Toronto and the Radio Shows . . .Whew.
JOHN: My. No.
SERGE: That doesn’t include any Walks.
MARK: Some weeks are really busy for us.
SERGE: Yeah.
JOHN: But I think we have a practice session with Anya for CMI on Saturday, I believe. It’s either Saturday or Sunday. I think it’s Saturday. And those are fabulous, by the way. I don’t know if you’ve listened to any of those.
MARK: Some of them.
JOHN: They’re wonderful.
SERGE: And it’s nice that they’re all recorded, most of them.
MARK: Yep. They’re on the CMI website.
SERGE: They can also be downloaded later on for somebody else to listen to on the CMI site.
MARK: Yep. Absolutely.
SERGE: And again to remind everyone as well, the course that Kris offered in early spring, “Dreams of the Gods”, is available, um, at dreamsofthegods.net. So take the time to see the page, see what’s there, see what the course is about. And it can be downloaded as a series of MP3 files as well as typed transcripts. So that’s also available.
MARK: And this coming Tuesday, Serge and I have a conference call with a publisher, with the design team for the book. And, uh, with them we’re going to structure the book and they’re going to give us tips and give us probably dates, or at least rough estimates.
SERGE: Yeah.
MARK: We’re probably looking at November.
SERGE: So that’s exciting.
MARK: Whoo-hoo. So how’s your week been, Alan?
ALAN: I’ve been good. It’s kinda fall-like around here so, you know, hot sun, cool breezes and nice clear skies.
MARK: Ah, sweet.
SERGE: Sort of like today.
MARK: I was on the forums, which I notice are very active lately, krischronicle.com/forum. Uh, great, great posts guys. Uh, really insightful stuff. Uh, I posted in there. I don’t know what happened but it vanished. I don’t know what I’m creating, but I wanted to mention that, in my post there that went missing, um, that a lot of people, on Sunday, noticed that Kris’ energies were different. But I wanted to ask everybody, “Who noticed that their own energies were different?” Because if you remember the Sunday morning session, or the noon . . .
SERGE: Yeah. This was the “Change the World”.
MARK: No, CMI, uh, CMI Sunday.
(Laugher.)
SERGE: See, it’s happening already.
MARK: Uh, Kris talked about quote/unquote “being beside yourself” and Ella came forward and said, “yeah, that’s a different aspect of you. That’s in the dominant position coming forward and how you can work with that aspect.” I noticed myself that my energies that weekend were very, very different. And I think it coincides with Kris’ energies being very different and the type of material that’s being, that’s coming out right now. And I’ve been talking to a few people I know. I know Alan, for instance. You felt very different correct?
ALAN: Oh, absolutely. I think the word shpilkes comes to mind.
[DOROTHY'S NOTES: I emailed Alan to get the correct spelling of this word. It means "on pins and needles".]
(Laughter.)
JOHN: What’s that mean?
(Several people talking at once.)
MARK: . . . I was worried about how to type it.
SERGE: It’s not a bad word.
ALAN: It’s a Yiddish term for the transcriber.
JOHN: Shpilkes. All right.
ALAN: Shpilkes.
MARK: But even . . .
ALAN: That ought to send ‘em to the books.
(Laughter.)
ALAN: No, I agree with you. I was beside myself before the program even started. And it just kind of went downhill from there. It was an interesting weekend.
MARK: Yeah. And I think it all ties together with the topic and the type of material that is coming forward. I think we’re all, ah, sort of pooling from different aspects of ourselves.
SERGE: That’s a very interesting perspective from Kris’ point of view about, you know, feeling a little bit “besides myself” or a little different, because I’ve been holding some discussions with other people in another discussion forum unrelated to Kris’ material. And, um, what came about with the . . . And I didn’t initiate this. I just responded. And this particular, um, point came up as proof positive to some people that this is a sign that you are possessed.
(Mark bursts into laugher.)
SERGE: And I’m going “WHAT in tarnation is that about?” But then what I subsequently found out is that some of the people holding that particular point of view, um, everything that doesn’t go right in your life, um, all your own self-sabotaging behavior, little glitches, um, you get a sneeze that you don’t want anything like that, it’s all something outside yourself that’s trying to “get you”. (Laughing.)
MARK: Oh, I had a conversation at work about six months ago with this . . . there was a group . . . there was a whole table that I walked into the lunchroom and they were having this discussion. And this one person from another store, that was helping out in our store, was going on about how, “Satan’s work”, and how when people do bad things it’s really Satan. And the others on the table were trying to argue this. And I’m sitting quietly at the next table over and I leaned back and I said, “What about free choice? How you’re just trying to. , , . ” What’s the word – deny your own, uh, choices. You know, trying to, um, . . .
SERGE: Deny your responsibilities.
MARK: . . . responsibility is the word I’m looking for.
JOHN: Well not only that, but I mean, exactly so. How handy it is to say, “Okay, I made a soufflé and it fell and so Satan work, that’s Satan’s work.
SERGE: Definitely.
JOHN: And the kids, the teenagers are runnin’ amok and so, that’s got nothin’ to do with me or the teenagers. It’s Satan.
SERGE: Remember the good old days when you used to say, and actually that, I think there was a sitcom somebody always used to say, “Oh, the Devil made me do it.”
JOHN: Yeah.
SERGE: You know . .
MARK: I’m too young for that. (Laughter.)
SERGE: Thanks.
MARK: Was that on color TV or black and white?
(Laugher.)
JOHN: No. That was that wonderful – I’ll get his name in a minute. Anyway there was a comedian that used to be kind of a “catch line” of his, “the Devil made me do it”.
HUGH: Flip Wilson.
JOHN: Flip Wilson!
SERGE: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
MARK: I don’t remember that line, but, yeah, Flip.
SERGE: It is a very interesting discussion that’s going on. It’s very heated, um, not in a nasty way, um, some people are very, um, holding onto their conviction about that stuff. And I find it very interesting that, uh, it’s a very great way to get off Scott-free for anything . . .
MARK: Yeah.
SERGE: . . . that you don’t want to be responsible for. Uh, blame it on the unseen, I guess.
JOHN: But you know, in a way, if you think about it, it’s just as much, ah, denying our responsibility when we say, “Oh, thank God that this didn’t happen” or “Oh, Divine Providence has saved us here”. (Serge chuckles.) Like, it’s a different person we’re blaming, but we’re still blaming somebody.
SERGE: And actually in, uh, that discussion-thread too, somebody said, “Well, you don’t believe in these spirit possessions and spirit attachments and all that kind of stuff”. And said, “Well what about on your website for hypnosis it says that you do past life regression. Well, what’s that all about? I don’t understand why you can say this and not that?” I haven’t replied yet but my point of view is, there is a big difference from my perspective about, um, especially in hypnosis working with past life regression as opposed to what some people refer to as spirit attachments and spirit possessions and all that . . .
MARK: Karma.
SERGE: . . .because at least what I do with my clients in hypnosis, past life regression is to, um, basically open doors to resources, whilst this attachment and possession stuff has nothing to do with resources, but actually taking away resources.
MARK: Yeah.
SERGE: Blaming something else. And then, “You gotta’ be careful because you never know, you turn around a corner and there’s that nasty little attachment just waiting to pounce on you. You’re done for.” So it’s very puzzling to me, especially having spent so many, literally three decades in conscious creation, um, to look back at that kind of stuff and going, “Wow, are we in 2008 or 1008?”
MARK: I’m reminded of Macs and PC’s. The PC’s, you really gotta’ worry about those attachments. Mac – no problem.
(Laughter.)
SERGE: . . . all those little viruses. It is an interesting discussion.
MARK: Here we go.
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.
MARK: Yes, thank you.
KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you.
KRIS: And we could say, “In the spirit of the attachment, Joseph had to get that off his chest”.
(Laugher.)
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: Now let us continue a thread of discussion about the use of words, especially limiting, denying and discounting words, words that are powerful in their usage as well as their implication. We have spoken about beliefs, even more so extensively over these last few weeks. Correct?
MARK: Correct.
JOHN: Yes, beliefs and perceptions.
KRIS: Indeed. Now we would like to add something that will be very useful for everyone in CMI, or everyone participating in “Change the World” and for everyone else. Therefore the whole kit and kaboodle.
MARK: Sweet.
KRIS: And this particular little treasure should also plug any gaps or holes. There are many sources that speak about noticing, paying attention, some more than others, and many who do not. But nonetheless there are also a great number of individuals who seek to apply the noticing, the paying attention, trying to understand what emotions, feeling tones, etc. are as communications. And we have in the past mentioned that communications is a two-way street. And what we would like to offer should assist tremendously to clarify any confusion, regardless of the source that mentions paying attention or noticing, up to and including ourselves.
And it is as follows. As we have discussed, beliefs or perceptions, even what you consider to have limited you in terms of your beliefs or perceptions are powerful resources. And they are meaningful in their own way. Since it is not only a part of your own value fulfillment, all of these communications are also meaningful. There is not a single unit of consciousness that is random or haphazard. Correct?
MARK: I like to think so.
KRIS: It is all purposeful. You are born with purpose, unless of course you are born with, ah, how do you say, afflicted with Darwinism.
MARK: (Laughing.) Monkeylution.
KRIS: We hear that eventually there will be a cure for that too. But all kidding aside, you are born with purpose and with determination. The units of consciousness that compose your image, that compose the cells of your body inside and out, that compose the reflected or material world, also reflect that purpose. As such, it stands to reason that your so-called limiting beliefs or perceptions also are meaningful. They served a powerful purpose at one time. Correct?
JOHN: Right.
MARK: That makes sense.
KRIS: Now then, a simple process, which may be broken down in a few steps is that when you catch yourself wondering, “What the heck does this limiting belief offer me? What possible purpose could it have but that it is cramping my style?” regardless of what you think about it the initial response is usually a knee-jerk reaction to fight it and put it out, as if it were out to get you. Do you follow?
JOHN: Absolutely.
KRIS: The idea then is to take a brief moment and acknowledge that you have received the communication. And as you know, communications come through behavior, emotions, feelings. These are all communications. Basically they are a signal that is awaiting you to acknowledge for a response.
JOHN: Ah.
KRIS: If you do not respond but simply wish to annihilate it, it doubles its effort. And guaranteed, you will fight. And if you fight, you will lose. You will not win the bout yourself. Do you follow?
JOHN: Absolutely.
KRIS: Now, you have major behaviors. You have every kind of physical action that you take, breathing, walking, sleeping, eating and so on and so forth. You have, in that same line, another set of major communications, emotions and feeling tones, dreams, thoughts.
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: You have a subset of these communications. They are perhaps more subtle. They may include blinking, flushing of the skin, sweating, hearing, listening and so on and so forth. They are more subtle. Perhaps such that you may discount them. But they are all part of your process of noticing and reacting to the communication. Do you follow that?
JOHN: I think so.
KRIS: The idea then is to acknowledge. Thus we are getting into a different category of Triple A. The idea is, first of all, to acknowledge the communication. An excellent way to acknowledge such a communication is to take a deep breath, and in your mind, simply thank the communication. Literally say, “Thank you.” You may notice at that point a very quick relaxation within you that may further entice you to continue communication with your experience in that moment. Thus, there are other individuals who may look at the other side of the coin and think instead that if this communication, perhaps this feeling or emotion, is one that is considered unpleasant you may want to fight it too. Again, we urge that this not be the first step, but instead take that moment and say thank you.
Now you may think, “Why would I thank a communication that to me, feels bad? Perhaps if I thank it, it will take over and I will lose my freedoms. Or perhaps, if I actually thank myself or my communication, I will sit at the Telly all day and eat cake.” But even in those instances, take a moment to thank the communication. And in developing that kind of receptive state you might add to the communication by asking, “What is it that you are trying to communicate to me? What gift are you offering through this communication? What wisdom, teaching or treasure do you wish me to understand?”
At this point certain kinds of inner dialogue, perhaps the kind of inner dialogue you have not experienced before may make itself known to you. And it does not mean that you will get a clear-cut, black and white, in writing answer on the spot. You may have been refusing to listen for decades. Why would you expect, then, that your subconscious or inner self, right away, give you what you want?
JOHN: Fair.
KRIS: We are not saying that you will wait weeks, but give it some time. Let the deeper meanings of that communication rise to your conscious mind. That in itself, will truly be enriching and may effectively close any holes or gaps in understanding what it is that you need to notice, what it is that is trying to catch your attention. You may even ask your subconscious and acknowledge that, “Yes, you have successfully caught my attention. Now I am open to listening to what you have to say.” Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Absolutely. Yes.
KRIS: (Turning to Mark.) What do you think?
MARK: Oh, I love it.
KRIS: Indeed. A simple approach that utilizes processes that are innate to you. The only request is that gentle approach. Do you follow?
JOHN: Absolutely.
KRIS: And again, we must mention, if you allow your usual habits to take hold of the moment and you begin to fight with the feelings you think are bad, then be ready for a battle royale and you will lose.
This small approach is worked out in such a way that you can take full advantage of the meaning that you give to yourself, the meaning you give to your beliefs, your perceptions, why they are meaningful in the first place, what purpose they serve for you. And how, even in situations where you APPEAR, and we emphasize the word APPEAR, to be confused, this may well clear up the fog of confusion. You have something tangible to work with here. It is neither nebulous or ephemeral. And the sooner you put it into practice the easier it becomes.
Now, the other item we wanted to present also goes along the same lines that we have been speaking about for a few weeks, especially about words. We have mentioned the word “can’t because”. That combination is also a powerful expression. It too, is a communication the other way. It communicates to your subconscious something very potent, at least potent as far as you are concerned. Look at the times that you may go window-shopping or you wish to learn, take courses, you wish to change your lifestyle. Perhaps you would look at something that you would desire to buy and you catch yourself saying, “I can’t because I don’t have enough money. I can’t because I don’t know how. I can’t because, because, because, because, because.”
If that is your refrain then it is possible that someone is looking for an actor in “The Wizard of Oz”. However, since it is unlikely, you may greatly benefit from paying attention to that little combination of words, because they are those two kinds of words that are used to instill a barrier and limitation. We mention this specifically because this can also be used to turn on some of your creative juices. And if you are going to be releasing any juices, they should be creative ones. Correct?
JOHN: Yes, absolutely.
MARK: Absolutely.
KRIS: Thus what we are suggesting is, whenever you catch yourself in the cookie jar of, “I can’t because,” do not reprimand yourself or hit yourself on the side of the head. But do something extremely simple. Again, stop in your tracks. If the “I can’t because” train is speeding along the track, put on the brakes. Stop feeding it coal, or whatever it feeds upon, and do a turnaround. Ask yourself, “How could I afford this? How could I make this possible? Subconscious mind, inner self, essence, whatever word you use, how could I make this work? Make it happen. What would have to happen for it to become my reality? Give me some suggestions.”
Allow all sorts of creative ideas. It may begin by something as simple as suddenly thinking how you can reorganize your budget, how you could reorganize robbing Peter to pay Paul instead of robbing Paul to pay Peter. The point is not to immediately say, “Well I can’t because, because, because.” But instead allow that particular river of thoughts to overflow its banks until you suddenly catch the prize. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: This can prove a most interesting exercise in creativity, which may even surprise you. Perhaps something comes about, perhaps an unexpected income tax return cheque.
JOHN: There you go.
KRIS: Perhaps an unexpected gift from someone. Anything can occur. Perhaps you find out that you had a bank account that you had forgotten about and interest had been building up enough for you to take care of what you desire. The point is to not begin to again clamp down and instill barriers and limitations, but instead to open the floodgates of creativity. And as we suggested the other evening, count on receiving the nectar of your blessedness.
JOHN: Yeah. Love that line, the nectar. Actually I have a little something to add to the “I can’t because”. You know how I love words. For me, what that means is that “I can’t be cause”. I can’t be the cause of this.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: And for me the turnaround is “By golly, I can be the cause of this. And I’m just looking for interesting ways to be, to cause this.”
KRIS: Indeed, because otherwise you get an abundance of lack.
MARK: It reminds me of the old saying “you’re either part of the problem or you’re part of the solution”.
JOHN: Hmm.
KRIS: Either way you will be part of something. It is to your advantage then to be part of the creative solutions in your life. And we encourage you to be bold and daring in allowing your inner self to provide you all sorts of creative ideas as reasons why you CAN buy what you want, participate in courses and learning and anything that improves the quality of your life. Why limit yourself to eating one grain of rice a day when you can eat a delicious gourmet meal that may include rice? Why limit yourself to a slice of toast when before you is a little buffet with, what do you call this, “all you can eat”?
JOHN: All you can eat, yeah.
KRIS: Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Absolutely.
KRIS: What about in Sky-land, Skype-landers?
ALAN: Well Bill did have a question that he posted about this, I think in [words lost due to Serge's coughing.] about this idea of asking about what the cause of limiting beliefs are and trying to get to, you know, some dialogue going inside. And he’s wondering if there’s such a thing as a Sister Communicator, a Dakini that can help with inner communications. Um, or is it maybe part of just Sister Helper which he says he uses in terms of dealing with his aspects?
KRIS: We do understand that sometimes there is a tendency to overly complicate situations. It is not so much that any other aspect of your personality are the cause of or responsible for the beliefs that you hold. Do you follow that?
ALAN: Certainly I do.
KRIS: Indeed. What is important to keep in mind is that you create aspects to hold convergences of beliefs. They are the containers of your beliefs. They are those discs upon which you keep certain programs. Does that also make sense?
ALAN: Yes.
KRIS: Now, certainly it can be appropriate to request that some helpful aspects help you, assist you, in working with those creative aspects and the flow of those creative juices. Do you follow so far?
ALAN: You bet.
KRIS: And as we have described the process, it is relatively simple. It need not be overly complicated or complex. If one spends time, energy and effort into complicating these rather simple processes then it may very well be an indication that there is a fear of actually releasing the limitation, because limitations are also very helpful. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes. So in other words, it’s, it can be as simple as just asking for clarification, or asking for the communication, or more communication, rather than wondering or worrying about which aspect to ask the question to.
KRIS: Indeed. Simply being direct and in that moment of communication. And now we believe that you are in need of a break, and so is Joseph.
MARK: Thank you.
MUSICAL INTERLUDE
MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I have been sitting here with John, Serge and Alan and the Skype people. And we’ve been . . . This is a really cool new tool.
JOHN: Yeah.
MARK: Well it’s an old tool but it’s been presented differently that . . .
JOHN: Yeah. It’s very simple.
MARK: Easier to understand.
JOHN: Let me just review. Basically you . . . when you feel something bad, and I say that . . .
MARK: Or anything, in brackets.
JOHN: Yeah. You acknowledge it.
MARK: Thank it.
JOHN: You thank it. You literally say, “Thank you.”
MARK: “Thank you for the communication.”
JOHN: Then you ask, “What is the message slash gift being offered here?”
MARK: “Okay, you caught my attention. What are you trying to say?”
JOHN: And you know what I really like . . .
MARK: And be patient in waiting for the answer.
JOHN: Oh yes, allow, give some time for it to happen. But you know what I really like about what Kris said is the, remember a couple of sessions ago he said that communications is a two-way process. So that means when you get the signal of something bad, that’s just the phone ringing.
MARK: Yeah.
JOHN: Right? You can’t ask a ringing phone what the message is. You have to pick it up and say, “Hello” first.
MARK: Good analogy.
JOHN: Right?
MARK: That’s a good analogy.
JOHN: So in other words you’ve got a role.
MARK: Yep.
JOHN: You’ve got to send a message back saying, “Okay. Hello. Hello.”
KRIS: Indeed. And to make it all the more interesting, if the caller knows you are home and you are not answering because you are trying to avoid talking to the caller, they will keep calling and calling and calling . . .
MARK: Ring the doorbell.
KRIS: Indeed. . . .knock on your window, your cell phone, send you a fax, your email, and it will keep until you say, “All right. I get it now.”
JOHN: But to your earlier point, if you have had a hundred phone calls that you’ve been trying to ignore, and you finally, in a rage, pick it up and say, “WHAT DO YOU WANT?” you can understand why you might not get an intelligible answer right away. Because the person on the other end of the line first of all needs to be sure that you’re listening, that you’re responding, that you’re in a mood to accept what they want to offer.
KRIS: Indeed. And you can be assured it is not one of these telemarketers calling.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: Thus the attitude is one of receptivity, not one of a warrior-like anger or rage, because you are being asked to be accountable for some of your behavior at least. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Yes. And I especially enjoy the idea that it’s a “back and forth”.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: You have to pick up the phone and say, “Hi.” And say, “What’s the message?” Well actually, first of all, “Thank you. Thanks for calling. Appreciate the call.” And by the way, we should take all Call Blocking off of calls from the neo-conscious.
MARK: “Your call is important to us.”
JOHN: Yes.
(Laughter.)
KRIS: Indeed. Do not put it on hold. No one knows how it will respond to your Musak.
(Laugher.)
JOHN: No, but even once you get into the dialogue of beginning to understand what the actual message is, I, my experience is that it’s still a process. You get a clue. You get an idea. But you have to respond to that idea. You have to grab it and say, “Okay”, and think about it and see what the associations are, and honestly engage the idea before you get the next idea.
KRIS: We believe this is well thought out on your part.
MARK: I think another important thing here is, “What is a response?” Because obviously people think, even myself, think it’s words, but it’s actions, it’s feelings, it’s responses, it’s behaviors.
KRIS: Indeed. And it is important to explore this because you may words, per se, in the same way you tell yourself to “piss off”. You may receive images. You may receive particularly powerful sensations that bring up feelings. Feelings may bring up emotions and emotions may bring up feelings. You may have all sorts of other inner experiences. All of these, whether they come through the Primary Addressing or Secondary Addressing of these modalities, are all communications. Thus you have, in effect then, made the correct contact with the circuitry. In other words you subconscious, your neo-conscious mind, your inner self, your essence, communicates through your neurology. Does that ring a bell?
JOHN: Yes.
MARK: Yes, it does.
JOHN: Yes. The neurology interfaced with the connective tissue.
KRIS: Yes. That is what this particular tissue is all about. Thus it not only sends but it receives, simultaneously. If you only send, as many people are wont to do in their prayers, in their wishing, in their desiring . . .
JOHN: Affirmations.
KRIS: Indeed. It is not unlike having the Sears catalogue and ordering everything in it. Then when UPS delivers, you lock the doors, you take the phone off the hook and you keep saying, “I am not home and I did not order any of that stuff. I did not order the fridge, the stove, the spa, the pool.” Do you follow?
JOHN: Um-hmm.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: In this particular instance then, take the time to develop that very nice receptive attitude and you will notice changes occurring. It is one thing to pay attention, notice. “Yes, I have just been made aware of a belief. Now let’s go out to dinner.” Nothing much will come out of it, even though some claim that all you need do is develop that kind of awareness and that everything is fine. This may work with some very small perceptions that do not have a huge impact on your behavior. But there are other, more powerful perceptions that influence your behavior in a tremendous fashion. These require more finessing. Thus acknowledging the communication, you address it by thanking it, being receptive to a further unfolding of the information, accept the process. It may not be permanent for the end of time. But it will at least get the ball going. You do want that snowball to go down the hill, do you not?
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: Thus, this simple process will indeed have an impact that perhaps you have not even thought of. Now what do you say about the second item we presented? “I can’t because.”
MARK: I can’t remember. (Laughing.) No, I’m kidding.
JOHN: I like it. I like the idea of words and the idea of flipping that around again. You know an awful lot of your techniques in the last six months, Kris, have involved us basically calling “time out” in our lives and saying, “Okay. Stop the processes for just a moment here while we step back, and rather than go into an automatic response, which has worked well for us a million times.” But on the other hand, what do they say, “Insanity is doing the same thing again and again and thinking that something’s going to change”. So, yeah, I like the idea of stepping back and saying, “Okay. I can, in fact, be the cause here.”
KRIS: And it is not an arduous process. It only requires a small amount of what you call time and attention.
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: But the payoff definitely involves an acceleration of awareness in consciousness that increases the flow of your creative juices, especially in the manner we have presented it. Instead of continuously telling yourself you can’t enjoy that because, you can’t do that because, you can’t because, you can’t because, take a breather and ask your creative mind, your inner self, “How could you make this work? What would have to change for this to happen? How can I get that?” And let the doors open.
When you say, “I can’t because” you are actually shutting down your own creative processes. You are telling yourself, “Don’t do that. Don’t enjoy life. Don’t have fun. Don’t learn new things.”
JOHN: Hmm. That’s very sad.
(Several mock hmm’s.)
KRIS: Any inquiries?
MARK: Alan?
ALAN: Well I just, I had an interesting comment popped into my head. And that is that twenty years ago, you know, you had somebody in the street talking to themself and you’d say, “Boy, that guy must be nuts.” And nowadays you see them and you say, “Well, he must be on a head set and he’s talking on his cell phone.” And now we’ve got a whole new paradigm and that is, you say to yourself, “Well, he’s just talking to his beliefs. He’s talking to his aspects.” So . . .
KRIS: It is better than to take out the pet.
ALAN: Yeah, yeah. But you know it’s now, it’s now fashionable again to talk to ourselves.
MARK: It’s always been fashionable for me.
(Laughter.)
KRIS: You most definitely always talk to yourself most of the time. However, it is done within the privacy of your mind. And we are not saying that you have to talk to yourself out loud, because you are much louder in your own mind when you talk to yourself, especially in a condescending, dismissing, discounting and negative way. Correct?
MARK: True.
ALAN: Yeah. Yeah.
KRIS: You can still address yourself very nicely in your mind. Thank the communication. This may instantly shift the paradigm. Any other inquiries in Skype-land?
ALAN: Ah, no, nothing else that’s current right now.
KRIS: And no others on Skype-land have any inquiries?
ALAN: Not that they’ve posted. Somebody wanted to know how they could win the lottery and somebody else said by buying a ticket, which makes ultimate sense to me. But I don’t know that yourselves need to get involved in this.
(Laughter.)
KRIS: Maybe not, but we can say that you can, whoever asked the question, start by asking yourself how it could be possible that you may start having all these experiences. Do you follow?
MARK: Absolutely.
ALAN: Certainly.
KRIS: (Turning to John.) Anything else on your part?
JOHN: I think I’m complete.
KRIS: Indeed then, we leave you to your compete-nesses, and we thank you for providing us the opportunity to point to the nectar of your blessedness. Now it is up to you to feast on that same nectar. And we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you.
JOHN: Thank you, Kris.
ALAN: Thank you, Kris.
MARK: Thanks Alan and Bill for your questions and comments. And, uh, for those of you going to New Jersey we’ll be seeing you next week. Everybody else, you’re getting a rerun.
(Laughter.)
JOHN: But that could be a good one. As a matter of fact, we should ask them to maybe put on a couple of real old ones that no one can remember because they’re all good.
MARK: True. Just like I Love Lucy.
JOHN: Yeah.
MARK: Now, do we have The Heroic Journey of the Soul next.
HUGH: Yeah, it’s a repeat, though.
MARK: Oh. Okay. Stay tuned anyway. Have a good night
END OF SHOW
Origins of Christianity
August 24, 2008
Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, August 24, 2008
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Tom (Desiré), Lisa (Lauramar), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Emmy (Atin Khum), Alan (Regoronn) and Brian (El-Don)
(7:46 PM)
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we also thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you.
KRIS: For those of you who were present at this afternoon’s presentation, you may hear some things and ideas that have already been broached to one degree or another, and for those of you who have not, this may prove interesting. But for all of you it will also be interesting. Now we specifically asked Joseph to quickly peruse material delivered in May of last year. You are familiar with that, Philip?
MARK: Yes, it was what Ella brought up… Description of Essence.
KRIS: Indeed. For those of you who may desire to peruse that particular discussion on the radio, perhaps Philip can provide the correct date?
MARK: I believe it was May 18, 2007. It was a radio show.
KRIS: Indeed. In that discussion, we provided an evocative description of Essence which can be further discussed and expanded upon. In that presentation, we described what you end up calling as Essence as a deep field of psychological actions, the energies of which are also utilized simultaneously to maintain — create and maintain — what you call yourselves as you are expressions of that field of deep psychological actions. As well, the energy is also used to maintain or project what you call the material world, the physical world: the stars, the solar systems, galaxies and other universes and dimensions, all.
In so many words then, this is a very broad, sweeping concept. And if you keep this in mind, perhaps some of you may already begin to tap into that description and what it evokes within you. But for the moment, simply keep it in the background.
This afternoon we also discussed the beginnings of your present world’s biggest religion in terms of followers: Christianity. Not simply Roman Catholicism, but the overall umbrella referred to as Christianity. We have in the past briefly spoken about this as well, but much more specifically and in terms relevant to the discussions concerning aspect therapy and aspects of the personality. And in that description we offered that this particular body or institution and its beginnings were truly anything but sacred or ordained by the Divine, or destined by what you may loosely call “God” or Divinity, and described how Constantine the Emperor literally created this particular body of information and religion by combining the tenets of several philosophies and schools of thought, and basically decreed that this new religion should be then the official religion of his empire as a means to unite countless differing, bickering, even warring factions within his domain as an attempt to unite.
We have also, on another radio show, described that this particular attempt came about as a result of trying to bring together various bodies of knowledge in order to attempt to preserve it as well. That too was an act of consciousness. But with all things, there are human interpretations, distortions and duplicities that often simply come on board, if you wish. But mainly we are attempting this evening to present this in this way so that you may have a deeper understanding still of Essence, of that deep field of psychological actions.
And in order to do that, there must be a clarity. There must be an understanding that for all intents and purposes, Essence is truly in no way, shape or form, similar to or related to ANY of what you call “religions,” “religious philosophies,” and even “spiritual philosophies,”, but something much greater and vaster still. What you call “religions” are little more than an accumulation of many beliefs, many convictions, some more distorted than others yet. And the notions that you have in your world presently of a Divine Being are still colored by these distinctions that are presented in religious bodies of knowledge. Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Oh, yes.
KRIS: Many would truly like to believe, fervently so, that there is a being that will come as a savior, that will literally redeem the world and its multiple sinners and reign supreme over the hearts and minds of men, women, and children the world over. And each different religion is convinced that its version of or interpretation of the divine savior will be the one to reign supreme, thus giving them the upper hand, as it were, as if they belonged to an elite club and that they, members of this club, are the chosen ones. And each religious or organized institution is thus convinced of this as if it were indeed a fait accompli, as if it is a given; that nothing but that particular conviction will happen. And of course, it never does. It must always be somewhere in the future, and there must always be signs pointing to this event and if you look at the materials of all religions, they all have their particular signs. Is that not so?
(Yes)
It goes with the territory. Prior to this amalgamation of at least three major religions of its time, at the time of Constantine, you had a major religious body known as Mithraism. You had the major religion of the Romans, and though the Romans worshipped Zeus or Jupiter and some of these what you call mythological gods, they had something much more powerful and uniting, well over and above. That was the god they made from Julius Caesar. They literally turned and proclaimed Julius Caesar as a god and thus by default all succeeding Roman Emperors were themselves living gods, extensions of Julius Caesar, not unlike the ancient pharaohs, considered the embodiment of the gods.
And the other major religion, which was almost wiped off the face of the earth at that time, following its incorporation into the Constantine ideal, was the worship of the Hindu god, Krishna. By decreeing that the tenets and ideas of those three religious bodies brought together into a new religion, it created a unifying system that was not perfect but succeeded in holding the people of his vast empire or domain together. And as we mentioned this morning the deification of Julius Caesar was used to create the deification of a man into a god that you find in those books that you call your scriptures in the Christian tradition.
More so still, Julius Caesar, “Julius” also means “savior” as does Mithras, as does Krishna. Krishna is the Sanskrit and Hindu word that is translatable into “Christ,” “Christos,” the Greek form. Julius is also referred to and pronounced as “hay-soos” which translates into “Jesus.” Thus, Jesus — the Christos, the Krishna, the Christ, the savior — becomes the man who becomes a god.
And in many respects, it actually was a brilliant coup in a way: the creation of a religion for political and stabilizing purposes. You may find, for those who become knowledgeable in Biblical writings and those who are also knowledgeable in the Sanskrit teachings, you would be able to find in many instances direct quotations in the Bible that are also lifted from, in some places, the Bhagavad-Gita, in other places from the Puranas, other ancient Vedic texts. Other segments were lifted from the teachings in the scriptures or holy books of Mithras. And in other places some quotations are lifted to eulogies or offered to the god emperor Julius Caesar or Jesus. Many of the books in the Christian scriptures were composed decades and even centuries after the so-called event of a man-god born to mankind or humankind.
Scholars that are knowledgeable in these fields have found that as the centuries progressed, many things were removed and/or added that were not in previous ancient scriptures of the early Christian traditions. This would bring about astonishment to many. Some would of course object and protest but our purpose is, in discussing this, to bring about a very specific point in that prior to the…. and the word has to be INCORPORATION of this new religion, in exactly the same way that you have mergers of companies into a new company… Prior to this particular event, those religious bodies that were used to found a new religion had practices that were centuries older than the new religion, the new religion claiming that it was the original, of course.
But a particular thing existed within these tenets and it was only within the passage of time, and especially with linguistic interpretations that had been tainted with the perceptions of the teachings of this incorporated religion that older religious bodies were seen then to also hold the human being as a flawed and sinful creature. But many of the older teachings never advocated that human beings were sinful or flawed in any way, shape or form. At least not tainted and soiled in that way. Do you follow so far?
(Yes)
What may that imply then?
MARK: That the new religion needed a means to control people, so they added it in.
KRIS: That is so, however there is something else even more fundamental. (Pause)… That men, women and children could easily adhere to any particular religion without fear of being so controlled that they had to constantly watch even their thoughts and their feelings lest it betray them. It does not imply that the world was peachy and rosy before in those historical terms. You still had war and many other issues. However, there was a certain amount of freedom of thought, freedom of expression, and in particular, the sense that you were not cast out of a paradise-like place because of some sin or offense committed against the deity. That you were actually a part of the mechanisms, the order of things, that you were an integral aspect of the divines, that they could mingle with your life, that they could interact, both mortals and immortals together. What would that imply? Anyone?
MARK: It would imply that everyone was blessed and sacred and worthy.
KRIS: Indeed, perhaps not necessarily in the ways that you would understand, but they still could consider themselves to be a part of the make-up of the universe. It is only through the eyes of Victorian academics that the old world cultures were considered but superstitious fools who were more or less afraid of their own shadows and thus the good old British ideal of life would free them. However, that was not the case. And more specifically, you find yourselves dealing with having to clean up many of the teachings that were part of your growing up. Is that not correct?
BRIAN: Oh yes. And Kris, would that have to do… with the advent of the Victorian era with the advent of Darwinism, Freudianism and Protestant religion, which further distorted many things?
KRIS: It was considered unthinkable that, as we have briefly hinted at a few weeks back, only the white people — or those still considered “white enough” — could have founded your present civilization as its ancestors, the Greeks. Yet the Greeks themselves, they themselves attribute the foundations of their civilization or culture to the ancient Egyptians and to Hindus. When Alexander the Great came back from India, he brought with him not only riches that he pillaged, but many pundits, many wise people. Thus things began to change and be transformed.
And we are saying this to bring home the point that still today many teachings, New Age and otherwise, point to some of these Christian traditions and philosophies. Some still even claim that the fictitious individual portrayed in the New Testament, who is supposedly to have been predicted in the Old Testament — though it is evident enough to even a slightly educated individual that those references are copied from the New Testament and inserted into the Old — many still insist that the fictitious character composed thus was an actual, real, physical, historical being and in order to justify that there are truly no historical references to this individual, ever, would claim that some devilish being — perhaps an evil being called Satan — would have tried to erase the savior from memory. These are not the utterings of fools. They are the utterings of many of the founding Church fathers. They had to offer some kind of justification. Do you follow?
BRIAN: Oh yes. Totally.
KRIS: Now we are not saying these things to be cruel, but we do desire that an understanding be at least considered that this particular body of teachings, — which was incorporated strictly for political and monetary gains and some unification of a vast domain, filled with countless different religious beliefs — in a way perpetrated a great fraud and instilled a powerful body of information, claiming it to be of Divine origin, subjugating many, many generations under its tenets of which the individual believer was forbidden to read and write and had to accept the words of the preacher as the word of God itself. And it had to be unquestioned.
Questioning could bring about nasty repercussions, including excommunication and even death as experienced by many during the period of the Inquisition. This has brought about a foundation where, though on the one hand it is proclaimed that love is the force, actually the force was fear, intimidation, indoctrination and the results were as long as you were in line with the teachings, you would obtain salvation, even if the teachings went counter to everything you knew.
Thus, the very concept that you are now exploring, the very concepts of Essence, of remembering, of understanding your convictions, your perceptions and how you create and form your experience of reality and reality itself by your own material energies is not new knowledge. It was, for the longest time, forbidden knowledge and it was almost successfully erased. Fortunately, you have managed to create a time and a historical period where the Vatican and the Christian indoctrinations have a lesser influence than they did even a few hundred years ago. And many of you, not only you listening in this moment, but you reading, and many others throughout the world, have focuses that became so indoctrinated as that you recognize your desire to no longer be subjugated to that kind of indoctrination where you desire instead to understand your true nature. Is that not correct?
BRIAN: Oh yes. When I was six years old I knew!
MARK: Absolutely.
KRIS: Were it but a few hundred years earlier, you would have been very quickly corrected, is that not so?
BRIAN: Yes.
KRIS: All of this to truly impress upon you like never before that you have created for yourselves a most fortunate circumstance where you can begin to explore far and away from the indoctrinations that have literally captured and sometimes even imprisoned the minds of men, women and children for nearly two thousand years. And it goes without saying that those who for so long have participated in those kinds of experiences still manage to explore their own value fulfillment and find their own meaning throughout all of this. And yet, the original foundations of the information or the wisdom traditions pertinent before the time of this great incorporation, those ancient teachings became feared. Because these ancient teachings, prior to that time of incorporation, were meant to bring the human being to recognize and remember what you are seeking to do now, today. Do you follow?
(Yes)
BRIAN: Kris, what would have been the purpose behind the experiment in Christianity? It is a model, when you think about it, but what would have been the purpose for focuses to have gone through in many different lives, to come to this point where we are now?
KRIS: Experimentations in the concepts of separation for instance, of duplicity. These individuals can also be considered brave souls indeed, just as you are to be considered brave souls. They walked into the lion’s den. YOU are walking out of the lion’s den. Does that make sense to you?
BRIAN: Yes.
KRIS: They gathered the meaning of themselves through those experimentations. We could even say with the intent then of creating other focuses that would be able to walk out where they could not, in a way. And we have this evening made some rather heavy-handed commentary, then, upon that body of information so incorporated and used to create a specific atmosphere. Do you understand?
BRIAN: I do.
KRIS: This also implies that many who, even in the terms that you recognize as a channeling or an energy exchange of some kind, still offer the tenets of those teachings in particular, upholding them, incorporate a distortion in the process, whereby the individual engaging the process may have extreme difficulty in bypassing the ceiling so imposed. Do you follow? They are, in other words, unable to get past the indoctrinations. And even though the one that was created and called Jesus the Christ has in some respects become an archetype. Simply because of the amount of individuals that have been focused in that direction the original concept of the Christ entity comes nowhere near what was incorporated by Constantine. Do you follow?
BRIAN: Mmhm.
KRIS: Many individuals presume to know that that the Christ or Christos entity has to do with the traditions and teachings of that body of knowledge, but its original intent had nothing to do and has nothing to do with that body of knowledge. It has nothing to do with books or other philosophies that have flown from this as if it were the ultimate and philosophical, spiritual and religious wisdom traditions.
The original intent behind the Christos entity in terms that would have manifested differently on your world, were related to assisting human beings towards the recognition of their value fulfillment and of the majestic nature of their being, breaking barriers and limitations often assigned and associated with teachings and attempted encapsulations such as found in many of the man-turned-into-god philosophies and one in particular. It was made to widen awareness in the deepest and most meaningful way and many small bodies of human beings and philosophies attempted to carry the torch, if you like, in their teachings.
However, they became cast as heretics and were done away with in one form or another. They, these small groups, often referred to as Gnostics, may not have had the complete body of knowledge at their disposal, however, they had more to offer because they did not function for the enslavement of the individual through guilt, shame and sin but instead attempted to free the mind from its restrictions, from its narrow conceptualizations, from what would have appeared to have limited human beings, giving them the keys to their own liberation. Do you follow?
BRIAN: Yes.
KRIS: Do you have any inquiries on this subject? Please feel free. You only get this every two thousand years!
BRIAN: And that brings up a good point! Two thousand years is the blink of an eye for our entire structure and civilization through the many cycles the Earth has had.
KRIS: Indeed.
BRIAN: So this experiment can’t go too much farther considering we’re each of us actually shifting away from it. But I’m sure it’ll go on another couple of hundred years, maybe even another thousand.
KRIS: That is why many of you are instead incorporating this Shift, this Renaissance of Consciousness, because deep down you know through the efforts of many of your focuses that you are more than and not less than because you are human being!
ELLEN: We’re sick of the con game.
KRIS: Indeed.
BRIAN: Organized religion, Kris, is like a communism or a dictatorship because it is designed to control the masses from… I guess the Vatican from Rome.
KRIS: In many situations then, you are in one way or another convinced that you have to worship a god. You cannot consider yourselves to be the gods. To do so invites immediate death. Blasphemy of the worst kind! So is taught.
BRIAN: Yet we’re the gods who create the gods.
KRIS: Indeed. So it is most ironic that you in many ways worship your own creations instead of understanding that you are projecting all of your ideals, your very Essence — imprisoning it! — in a symbol that seeks to punish you for your deeds, including being who you are! That is a blasphemy! IF ANYTHING IS, THIS is a blasphemy! Do you follow?
BRIAN: Mmhm.
KRIS: We trust we are not being overly strong in your terms. You find many even modern cults to what is referred as “ascension,” the intent being to rise above your lowly, soiled, tainted or spoiled carnal nature into your larger being and yet there is a great contradiction in such statements and this is all based upon those flawed teachings. There is no understanding that you are an expression of Essence. You are an avatar of that deep field of psychological actions. You are a crest on the wave of consciousness! How can you be so dirty, so soiled that you would have to get away from yourself into a more pure form?
Such teachings cannot be more distorted. As soon as you put aside the conviction that somehow or other you are so evil, so damned because you are who you are, and consider instead that you truly are the very nectar of blessedness of the universe BECAUSE you are who you are! And that through you the universe — ESSENCE — can look at itself through your eyes and marvel. Whatever experiences you go through, that you indeed are the very nectar of blessedness. How can then you consider yourself so flawed and damned that you must get away from yourself? Does that make sense to you?
BRIAN: Oh, absolutely.
KRIS: Does anyone else care to ask a question or inquire, make a comment?
EMMY: I’d like to. This is Emmy. It’s interesting that throughout this whole discussion I felt another focus of mine very close…. I’m not sure how to formulate it now… but it’s interesting that what you said, I especially liked the part about the lions’ den and how the other focuses of ours help us to understand this concept that we are Divine, blessed beings, not flawed whatsoever.
KRIS: Indeed, the entire idea that in order to fulfill yourself you must worship some kind of divinity is in itself flawed. You can fulfill yourselves as you are because you are the divinity that is fulfilling itself. A divine being is not one that resides in some deep, cosmic castle, ordering its little angels to play harp. That in itself is another series of distortions based upon those teachings. A divine being is what you are. In some of the philosophies that are incorporated in what you call the Bible, it is said that the ancestors of humankind, Adam and Eve, were chastised and therefore cast out of Paradise.
These teachings wish to offer you some information and in actuality we believe the opposite occurred. Every man and woman, including child, at some point or another needs to ask a question: Is God God in the way that he is taught? Or is there something else here? It may indeed put you in hot water — and actually many of you literally have been put in hot water, hot oil, and many other hot substances! However, if you come to understand the deeper meanings of that kind of an inquiry, you may indeed find that you are not cast out of Paradise but that instead you open the doors to Paradise, Paradise being the liberation and freedom that comes from releasing yourselves from so many distortions and distorted convictions, that you can actually breathe and recognize and enjoy the deep majesty that is you. Does that make sense to you?
BRIAN: Yes it does.
KRIS: Atin Khum, you have something to add? We have given you enough time to focus a little more?
EMMY: Yes, and I think that what I was just thinking about is that as we play these concepts out in different focuses at the same time, by doing that we are able to look at them for what they are, and are able to have a different perspective now. You know what I mean?
KRIS: Indeed. It gives you windows of opportunity to see beyond the horizons of your limitations or at least what you think, or what appears to be limiting you where in fact even such distorted beliefs as have been present in your society for so many hundreds of years, in some ways, you can free yourselves of them in an instant. But that instant in your terms may take a few years. The seed itself may take a long time to grow but the moment you act upon, then in an instant you are free.
Imagine then a world where none of its citizens would even be able to imagine or conceive that one of their brothers or sisters is flawed or has sinned but that instead you consider that all of your selves beautiful creatures. You can feel both simultaneously your one-ness and separateness within that one-ness and find no contradiction within it, that you are that part of the universe that can look at another through the eyes and heart and marvel at what is being created, where you do not judge yourself or another.
That is also something that is being deeply considered with this Renaissance of Consciousness. And though it may have been mentioned that this is its first experiment, it is not. But other such experiments have been forgotten because you have become so used to the idea that somehow or other you are just bad, bad people, that you do not deserve even yourselves. Does that make sense?
EMMY: Yes.
KRIS: It is not going to be an easy journey. No one has ever advocated or promised this. However, it is promising in that each step you take, you feel the chains of the past, the chains of indoctrination, the chains of old beliefs simply fall to the ground. Are there any other comments or inquiries?
TOM: Yeah Kris. I have a question. I’m wondering… sometimes when we meet new people we might be more shy, seeing faults in ourselves. I’m wondering if being quiet because you don’t feel that you’re good enough, that this has some kind of link to our religious upbringing of being a tainted self.
KRIS: That is what we have been explaining now for a short while.
TOM: Okay, I just thought I’d bring that up in terms of being quiet and not feeling freely to speak, I guess.
KRIS: There are times when you are quiet simply because it suits you to be quiet, but if you are quiet because somehow or other you are convinced that you are not good enough, that is another issue altogether. Thus you may choose then to free yourself from that constraint. Does that answer your inquiry?
TOM: Yes, it does. I think it’s possible to reflect upon what it is that drives us to thinking that way.
KRIS: Indeed, you may even ask yourself how it would feel like if you were a confident and resourceful individual. Are there any other inquiries? (Pause)…. Thus to briefly summarize: if there is no so-called Divine that you MUST pay homage to, if there is no Divine being that has ever decreed that you are flawed, tainted, sinful, soiled, spoiled, dirty, that you should be damned for being who you are; if there is no savior as such because you do not need any saving, or that you should remember instead your own resourcefulness, your own connection and the meaning of Essence, what would you do with your lives? How would they be changed? What impact? What influence would that have upon you? How would it make your lives different? How would you feel about yourselves? These are questions that you do not need to answer now, but you can think about. Does that not make it exciting?
(Group chuckling)
ELLEN: That’s what first came to my mind, thinking about the answers to the questions you just asked, is that a whole new world does open up. Everything is expanded. And I mentioned before about how this was a realization that this was one big con game and when you suddenly realize that you’ve been conned… Whoa!… (Chuckling) The jig is up, the con game’s over and there’s somewhat of a feeling of disorientation that lasts for awhile, but that disorientation is the result of this sudden expansion and the excitement of what you can do with this now, and the understanding that you are so much greater than you ever realized.
KRIS: Indeed, you are greater than not only you ever realized, but anyone ever told you.
ELLEN: Yeah, and you’re right, it does feel like chains just slipping off, one after another as you begin to explore your own Self. And it opens up wider and wider the further you go in.
KRIS: Indeed. Now think of those individuals, as in the Bible belt of the United States and the fundamentalist Christian groups that exist all over North America and in many other parts of the world. Some there are even zealous in their convictions in that they absolutely need a savior to save them thereby they must adhere to the rules, so to speak. For you know, all these individuals have little books, the rules of being saved. As such, because they themselves see and are firmly convinced of the state of their sinful nature, that they must be saved, and in order to chalk up extra saving credits, they attempt to save others as if it will increase the quota and the chance of getting a bigger chair closer to the one they worship.
And this conviction of theirs is so deeply ingrained that at this point in time they may not ever see anything else but that conviction in their lives because they have also been told that questioning is likely one of the greatest sins of all — apart from a few others — and that believing is the key to salvation. Thus, consider yourselves truly brave indeed for forging ahead, cutting through the thick jungle of beliefs along the way, clearing a path that others may also pick up the trail, as it were.
And there are many, many individuals also, as we suggested, in the metaphysical New Age fields, there are also many who purport to channel even the one called the Christ. What are they doing? They themselves are not necessarily flawed either, but they are caught up in the process and need the information, need this material that they espouse to justify their being. There are some who also try to break free of that veil. They may be successful to varying degrees but they are in particular simply processing their own ideas at that point.
But if there is no god in that way, if there is no savior in that way, if there is no Christ in that way, specifically since the word Christos or Christ is equivalent to the word Buddha, or title Buddha — and the word “Christ” is a title given to one who can see through the illusions of reality to understand his or her own divine nature — then you can easily understand that those kinds of beliefs are deeply ingrained in the human psyche, correct?
(Yes)
Any observations or any comments along that line?
ALAN: I have one question, Kris.
KRIS: Indeed.
ALAN: In presenting this material that you’ve presented in the two sessions today, have you also been presenting us with a different aspect of yourselves?
KRIS: Indeed.
ALAN: Is there anything in particular we should take from that?
KRIS: Simply that in your own heart, in the depth of your heart, there is that spark of love, the kind of love that goes beyond ordinary definitions of the word and it is the kind of energy that you give to yourselves. As we have mentioned, you are indeed the very nectar of blessedness and though some of our energies this evening may have appeared strong, consider instead that the energies are impassioned to deliver you to taste the very nectar of your blessedness. Does that make sense to you?
ALAN: Absolutely.
KRIS: And though in some ways, some of you may even experience a little sadness for whatever reasons you might have been attached to your old teachings and convictions, you might also consider rejoicing deeply because the possibilities of experiencing your own freedom is no longer a far-off dream, but something quite real and tangible. In other words, it is possible for you to awaken from that old trance into one where you are much more in tune with and in touch with Essence, that vast, deep field of psychological actions. You being one of those actions. And with that we will return Joseph to you, return you all to your lovely, blessed selves and may you continue enjoying the nectar. And we thank you for your consideration.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
(Session ends at 9:06 PM. We chat a few minutes longer.)
SERGE: (Coming out from his trance state) Well that was intense!
(Group chuckling and agreements among the group)
EMMY: Yes, it was very nice, Serge!
BRIAN: You could definitely hear from the inflection in the voice that it was a different aspect of Kris.
SERGE: (Chuckling) I felt it! It’s almost like he had me…. I’ll jokingly say in a headlock! I wasn’t going to go anywhere!
EMMY: Yeah, and I think many of our own aspects were peeking along!
SERGE: I guess resonating with it?
BRIAN: That was a heavy hitter tonight.
EMMY: I mean, I noticed a lot of difference and sometimes I had to do my best to answer as myself!
ELLEN: (Chuckling. Emmy had Skype-typed me during Kris’ presentation that she could feel Yosef’s presence.)
EMMY: It was interesting that I really felt Yosef, that other focus of mine, strongly around. And sometimes he would ask me something and there was one point where Kris said “Atin Khum”…. (Laughing)… I’m not sure how to explain but at one point Kris was talking about the freedom, or at least something you feel when you break away from these….
ELLEN: Old indoctrinations, yes.
EMMY: Yeah, and lately, last couple of days, I’m making different choices that make so clear that I’m breaking away from some of these old indoctrinations by just…. breaking away from them! (Chuckling) But I feel so much more freedom to be who I am! For instance, me doing that course in Hebrew took some really big guts for me, to do so. I really had to break through a barrier that was inside me, but when you do so… I really feel so much stronger now than I did before. You know what I mean?
SERGE: Yes. Cool! Yep.
BRIAN: It’s like breaking away from an old psychological house and you become too big for what you were and you want to enter into a newer, larger arena of experience and activity and I think in a way, since it is layering in each year that goes by, each day goes by that we grow, we grow into being that much more than we were psychologically, which is really what it’s all about.
ELLEN: So much of this is about unlearning…. and that sounds like such a mild term, but it’s really important because you have to unlearn so much before you’re ready to let go and to open up to….
LISA: I think for me the most difficult thing is letting go of some people. I think that’s the hardest thing for me.
ELLEN: People who you know are not going to let go of their own indoctrinations, you mean?
LISA: Well, yeah, and so every time you meet with them, you’re faced with that and you have to accept it and you have to just love them.
ELLEN: Yeah, not having anything in common any more, but…. yeah…
LISA: Yes. That’s the toughest thing for me, I think.
ELLEN: The bridge widens.
(Kris returns to comment)
KRIS: That is also a point of contention and it may be difficult; the point being that you no longer recognize within yourself the behavior, the philosophies of their lives, but there is still within you a common point where you meet in a loving, respectful attitude. And there are times where you WILL recognize that your particular expanding worldview will be such that it can embrace the others. They are not able to return the embracing and at the same time you can still consider yourselves and them to be quite blessed. And for some of you it may be that you simply need to continue on your life. That is a decision that you can come up to on your own, or not. No one is obliging anything.
And yes, you are also correct in that this is about an unlearning, that it is a process of truly washing the brain in such a way that you can begin to appreciate your own truth, the very naked truth of your being and again see how majestic that truth is, that you are not an anachronism, a flawed accident of Nature, that you are a very purposeful and deliberate being. You deliberately came into being. Period. It may have been done through the processes that you recognize, but you still did that. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
In ancient worlds, the Divine aspects were easily able to flow in and out of individuals before certain kinds of corruptions were established for example. The priestesses and the priests were actually engaged in the process of bringing the gods and the goddesses through their bodies to share with other human beings, encouraging the blessing, as it were. Encouraging the remembering. And some such practices were also Tantric in origin where the priests and priestesses engaged in intimate contact with the followers as a means to reach the deeper core of the heart, uniting mortal and immortal into one embrace.
It became more convenient to create the psychotic old man in the sky who would burn you to a crisp if you offended he and it was much easier to control populaces with that. Now we are not saying that any of you have to accept anything we have said today but if you consider its influence, how you respond to the information inwardly, how it brings about those deep echoes of your own true nature, you can then make a decision as to what you want to do with it. Incorporate it in your life, even if in incremental processes, or push it away again. The choice is yours, and that is what you have: Choice. We are not obliging anyone to believe anything we say, but to weigh the experiences for themselves. Does that make sense to you?
(Yes)
Now we will leave Joseph alone! And we will leave you alone. And if in your dreams, or in your thoughts, or in your heart, you hear the ancient echoes of Divine, godly footsteps, remember that it is you who are walking in the great halls of your mind. Come in, too, that you taste the nectar of your blessedness. And with that we return you to your lovely selves as well and we thank you for your further consideration.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
(Session ends at 9:18 PM)
[After the rest of the gang hung up, Emmy and I continued our own conversation. Because she had slept a few hours earlier and woke up just to attend this session (Emmy lives in the Netherlands where it was now about 3:00 AM), she was now too wide awake and energetic to go back to bed and Yosef was still lingering near. She asked me if I would like to converse with him for a while, because he was wishing to talk about Kris' presentation. I said I would love to. Emmy and I joked about how different things are for us both lately with inner communications becoming more and more readily available to surface awareness, sometimes when we are not expecting it. I am adding this excerpt of our conversation because of Yosef's reference to his own unique participation in tonight's session and the further insights I obtained on how aspects communicate with our selves on deeper levels of awareness.]
ELLEN: (Humorously) Nobody understands how pushy these aspects can be, honest to god!
EMMY: (Laughing)
ELLEN: Once you let them in, you can’t get them out again. You just can’t get rid of them!
EMMY: Yes, you open that door.
ELLEN: You open the door and all the stray animals just come in and make themselves at home, then what are you going to do? You know? Then you get attached! (Laughing) “Look Mom! Look what followed me home!” Next thing you know, you’ve put a collar on him and you’re calling him “Fluffy.”
EMMY: Yes and even Moms like them.
ELLEN: (Slyly) Yosef… we could call him “Fluffy” with his beard…
EMMY: (Laughing but demurring to touch that statement!) Well, I will just get into it now….
(A short pause and Yosef appears)
YOSEF: (Amused) It is because we are such good friends that you can call me “Fluffy” with my beard!
ELLEN: Hi Fluffy! How ya doin’?
YOSEF: I am doing well. I have been present at the conversation you were having with Kris, but I had no intention to make my presence known so clearly to you both, but you are quite practiced at picking up on the undercurrents of your personality structure.
ELLEN: Emmy is getting very, very alert to your presence.
YOSEF: Yes, also because I was very much involved within the discussion. Not that you could see that, but I was in a similar discussion with Kris.
ELLEN: Oh, okay, That’s interesting. Can you describe that a little bit?
YOSEF: Yes, I can. He was detailing some very interesting information on the influence of religion on the personality structure, and because I have my own experiences with these concepts I can add my own perspective to these discussions as to how you learn to weave yourself away from these concepts. Do you understand?
ELLEN: Yes, we weave or “wean” ourselves away, I guess… (Chuckling at the use of the word that Jo Helfrich’s Rose aspect uses extensively)…
YOSEF: (Smiling) You could also use that word, it’s a valid word to use of course. And I am looking for words, because Emmy is always nervous when I speak about the simultaneous processes that are going on.
ELLEN: Yes, but that’s why, I guess, that she felt your presence so very acutely. So there was this undercurrent of another conversation, or another avenue that the conversation was taking. That’s interesting.
YOSEF: Oh, there are lively discussions taking place in more than one layer of awareness. It’s not that I accessed Kris alone, of course. It is a very diverse activity.
ELLEN: So I guess in a way it was sort of like a probable conversation to the conversation that we were having?
YOSEF: You could say that for sure, yes. That was it.
ELLEN: And at the same time you were still picking up on what we experienced as our discussion tonight, what we recall.
YOSEF: Yes, I was speaking upon both, because just as you are becoming more aware of your other activities, so to speak, in different aspects of yourself, we are in the same process, expanding our own awareness.
ELLEN: Yes, I am. I’m getting hints and…. It’s still pretty nebulous for me, but….
YOSEF: It will become more pronounced as you embrace yourself more and allow these communications to unfold and they take many different shapes, as you have noticed. It is hard to explain the conversation I was having with Kris because this conversation includes your own conversation with Kris.
ELLEN: Mmhm, yeah, that’s what I was trying to say before.
YOSEF: So I will have to translate our conversation so it will be understandable for you too. To slow down the information, it is still more than you can write it down, just like when you have a dream and you try to write it down, you cannot grasp all the little details because the dream is bigger than what you can translate on paper. And this is also true of our conversations, our communications, that are often not spoken even, but are in experiences. Do you understand?
ELLEN: Yeah, I think that’s sort of what I was experiencing in a minute way the other day in the hospital room with my father. I got the sense that Charlie (my “past life” focus) and Noah (my father’s “parallel life” focus) were having a bit of a conversation. And…. it was as if I was straining to hear it.
YOSEF: Yes.
ELLEN: While at the same time I was ultra alert to what was actually going on around me in the physical room and everyone’s ah….
YOSEF: Perceptions.
ELLEN: Perceptions and feelings, yes. And there was a lot of feeling. The air was very dense. And I wanted to…. It was like Defrene said, Charlie was trying to convey something to me and I wanted to know what it was, but after I pondered it for awhile I think that I really picked up on what probably was essential. The main gist of it was that my father does not want to die alone in the hospital.
YOSEF: Yes.
ELLEN: He wants to be home and I think that was the main point.
YOSEF: But as you have noticed, you will always pick up the message. You cannot always contain… It would sometimes be too confusing to contain both conversations fully at once. But as you have noticed, it didn’t divert your attention from the present moment.
ELLEN: Yeah, that’s what’s important.
YOSEF: In fact, by opening up to these other channels that are within you, your present moment is highlighted.
ELLEN: And it was not necessary at all to strain. As a matter of fact, it’s counterproductive.
YOSEF: Yes! It is.
ELLEN: It’s just a matter of being…. It’s sort of dropping all expectation, I guess, and just being aware and accepting of that subtle, almost electric kind of sensation.
YOSEF: Yes, you can compare it to a wave that is coming to you. When you strain yourself you try to hold the wave in your hand so to keep it, but when you just allow the wave to touch you, recede to the background and then touch you again, you have a more of a feeling of what the wave is all about. And for one thing, you cannot hold the wave in your arms anyway.
ELLEN: Right. It’ll just wash over you and then recede…
YOSEF: Yes. And it will always return. It has its own pace.
ELLEN: And it leaves a residue, so it’s not like when it recedes that you have to think, “Oh, I missed my chance there!”
YOSEF: Indeed, it leaves something. It leaves the message.
ELLEN: Yes, now you’re all wet! (Chuckling)
YOSEF: Yes. Now you FEEL things, quite deeply.
ELLEN: Yeah, and that was it. That was the gist of it.
YOSEF: Yes. And these processes go on continuously.
Kris Radio: Suspending Disbliefs
August 21, 2008
Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin (Ellora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 21, 2008
MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on That Radio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John Hawkins.
JOHN: Hi Mark. Thank you very much. And we’re sitting here with our friend, Serge, as well.
SERGE: Thank you Mark. Thank you John. And it’s a very nice day and evening in Toronto.
MARK: Um-hmm. Beautiful. Not too humid, in fact, not humid at all. No rain. Isn’t that a miracle?
(Laughter.)
JOHN: Yes, it’s a lovely day in the middle of August.
SERGE: Yep. Literally.
MARK: Yeah. Wow. Twenty-first already, eh? This year is flying by. I can’t get over this.
JOHN: Right.
MARK: We normally take August off and it’s been our busiest month ever.
JOHN: Well, I don’t know what . . . You guys should maybe take a vacation. Maybe go down to New Jersey next month.
MARK: Good idea. Let’s go on the sixth and seventh. (Laugher.) Speaking of the New Jersey workshop, “Hunting For Your Dreams”, September sixth and seventh, is ah, you can still sign up for that. It’s in Edgewater, New Jersey, just outside of New York. It’s just on the other side of the bridge. And, um, yeah, it’s going to be amazing. We’re really looking forward to that. Um that is, we’re actually leaving on a Thursday and coming back on a Thursday, so there’s going to be two radio shows where you’re going to be listening to repeats, ‘cause we’re not going to be here.
JOHN: Well that’s all right.
MARK: Because we’ll be in New Jersey. Whoo-hoo!
JOHN: Well that means I get a little break.
(Laugher.)
JOHN: Right? That’s two Thursdays that I don’t have to . . .
SERGE: You don’t have to dress up in your Sunday best and come down here. (Laughing.)
JOHN: Right.
MARK: Yeah, the . . .
(Pause.)
JOHN: So, um, yes, dead air here, kids. What’s going on in your life these days?
MARK: Well, there’s the CMI and there’s the Kris sessions, there’s the “So You Want to Change the World”, there’s the radio show.
JOHN: Right.
MARK: The Toronto sessions. (Laughing.) There’s work. There’s two books on the go.
JOHN: You do have a life outside of Kris though, right?
SERGE: What?
MARK: Uh, what?
JOHN: (Laughing.) Okay. What’s that? (Laughter.) He runs you pretty good.
MARK: It is this year. It’s fun though. We’re enjoying ourselves. It’s been a very good year, a very productive year.
JOHN: Well we are unleashing our creative juices.
MARK: Oh, no kidding.
JOHN: No, our genius juices. What’s the . . ?
MARK: Creative. Uh, before we get too far I would like to announce, as a reminder, that immediately after this radio show, The Heroic Journey of the Soul is going to interview Kris.
JOHN: Right.
MARK: So you can have two hours of Kris. And all’s you have to do is stay on the air, keep tuned in.
JOHN: It’s a good deal.
MARK: Um-hmm.
JOHN: Two hours for the price of one, which is free anyway.
MARK: Free.
(Laugher.)
SERGE: Can’t beat that.
MARK: Beats BOGO – Buy One Get One. Now Serge, you wanted to talk about “Dreams of the Gods”.
SERGE: Yep. The course that was offered in the spring, uh, “Dreams of the Gods” course. All of the material is now on a web site called dreamsofthegods.net, and you can purchase the entire course as MP3 downloads with the transcripts for every session which included eight evenings of North American and eight evenings of European discussions. There definitely is some overlapping but there’s also different approaches to the material depending on whether it was North American or um
MARK: European.
SERGE: European evening.
JOHN: Well I think they have different dreams in Europe, don’t they?
(Laugher.)
SERGE: They must.
JOHN: Yeah.
SERGE: They must. They’re older there.
MARK: So basically there are sixteen modules to this course. Uh, they’re all available as audio and typed transcripts. And, uh, it’s well worth the price. It’s uh, I believe its one hundred and sixty dollars.
SERGE: A hundred and sixty. So the way it works is that you can purchase the package with PayPal on the web site. And we’ll get notification from PayPal. And then you will be issued an ID and a password by Mark, which you can then access the parts of the site where all that material is stored for downloads. And I think that’s a very nice arrangement.
MARK: Yep. Absolutely. Alan, I can hear you.
ALAN: Hey guys.
MARK: How are you?
ALAN: Just waiting for you to turn me on.
(Laughter.)
MARK: Oh, really.
(Laugher.)
JOHN: Well he has turned us on already.
MARK: So, did you get your winter yet?
ALAN: Oh no. It kind of went into fall and now its back to summer. So, uh, we don’t know what’s happening up here.
MARK: Sounds like Canada.
SERGE: Yeah. I’ve maintained for a while now that Mother Nature needs to take a weather course from Al Gore.
(Laughter.)
SERGE: Maybe he’s an incarnation of Mother Nature.
MARK: We’ve had wonderful weather, um, this week. And it’s actually due to tropical storm Fay. The weather pattern that was supposed to come up and bring us rain is stalled and being sucked into the cyclone down there in Florida. So it’s not coming up and we’re getting nice weather.
(Loud sirens heard in the background.)
SERGE: Mind you, I’m sure that people in Florida are of a different opinion.
MARK: (Laughing.) Absolutely. Five feet of water in the streets, through their houses, alligators swimming in the streets.
JOHN: Uh, I feel sorry for those people.
SERGE: Yep. I’m not going to Florida for a while.
MARK: Bring your bathing suit.
JOHN: And some hamburger.
(Laugher.)
MARK: So, uh, we’ve talked about New Jersey. We’ve talked about The Heroic Journey of the Soul, “Dreams of the Gods”, so let’s talk a little bit about “So You Want to Change the World.” You want to pick that one up, John?
JOHN: Yes. We’ve had two Tuesday evenings now and, uh, it’s unfolding very nicely. The, uh, there is a tremendous focus on (Pause for loud sirens in the background.) fire engines . . . (Laughing.)
SERGE: (Facetiously.) I don’t understand how they’re so quiet. How can anybody hear anything? You know, they’re just quiet. (Laughter.)
JOHN: You’d think that they were trying to put the fire out with the noise they’re making.
MARK: You’re not kidding.
JOHN: Anyway, yes, “So You Want to Change the World” is turning into a very fun, uh, seminar, don’t you think?
MARK: Oh, absolutely. I’m having a whale of a time. It’s really good.
JOHN: And he’s, um, I’m just trying to think of a little tidbit to share with the folks. He’s got a very provocative question. Um, let’s say you’ve figured out what you want to have happen, a goal that you’ve got. The thing is, before you go to bed maybe, is to say to yourself, “What would have to happen in order for dot, dot, dot?” – whatever it is you want. Now here’s the nice part about that. It is, you don’t have to try to answer that question. Just asking the question triggers activities at the neo-conscious layer of your being. And, uh, he’s asking us, actually, to kind of try and feel into that and try and get some kind of feedback from just all the processes that are initiated by asking that question.
MARK: And the second half of that question is, “What needs to change in order for dot, dot, dot?”
JOHN: Right.
MARK: And I’ve already had great results. My dreams have changed and I’ve begun identifying things and as a result (pause) changing. Just by planting the seed into my neo-consciousness and then falling asleep, the dreams are giving me the answers.
JOHN: Very handy, isn’t it, to understand that we can start to use the various components of our personality in very practical ways that don’t involve, you know, studying all night or pushing real hard, but just involves saying, “Okay. I’m going to initiate this question then I’m going to sit back and wait for things to pop up”? I like that.
MARK: How about you, Alan? What’s your take on “So You Want to Change the World”?
ALAN: Oh, I’m having a lot of fun. I’m asking so many questions my neo-consciousness can’t get to sleep at night.
(Laugher.)
MARK: It’s a good thing it doesn’t need to.
SERGE: A hot toddy will do that.
ALAN: Uh, yeah, I find the whole thing fascinating and, and uh, I’ve made some interesting discoveries using some of the new techniques, too. So, uh, I’m all for it.
MARK: Kris has definitely kicked it up a notch.
JOHN: Oh, yeah.
MARK: I didn’t think after the CMI that he could but, boom.
JOHN: I get the feeling that he’s got unlimited notches he can kick it up.
MARK: Yeah.
JOHN: He’s being gentle with us.
(Laughter.)
MARK: At least it’s only going in notches.
JOHN: Oh, I think we’ve succeeded in, uh, filling our time.
KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable.
MARK: Yes, thank you.
KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you.
KRIS: And you are to consider yourselves very lucky indeed that we only have a few bags of notches.
(Laughter.)
KRIS: You, any of you, often ask yourselves “What is the purpose of life? What is the meaning of life? What is it all about?” Those questions in themselves truly do not address what you feel. But it is a very nice filler. The reasons you ask those inquiries is much more profound. It is not that you do not know that you are the meaning of life. It is not that you don’t know what life is all about. But more specifically that you want to find where you fit into the grand scheme of all of this. How do you, as a human being, fit into the values of all of what you experience? Or are you merely some puppet bantered here and there by the whims and desires of your rather inconsiderate subjective or essence? Are you the one who cleans up after essence has its party? Are you merely the street sweeper of essence’ experiences? There are many individuals who perceive that this is what is occurring, as per the inquiry you received.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: That you are left “holding the bag”, so to speak. Hence we asked a moment ago, “What is all of life about”? These are questions that you, yourselves, ask. “Is there any meaning to any of this?” And those kinds of inquiries and those kinds of attitudes that we have expressed, those perceptions, will never find you any answers. However, the point is not to find an answer that will keep adding fodder to your intellectual processes, but instead to do something that will plug you right into the current of life. You can for instance, ask dozens and hundreds of swimmers, including Olympian swimmers, what being in the water is like. You can look at water. You can examine it under the microscope. But will asking others what it is like and what it is all about actually give you the experience of water?
MARK: Absolutely not.
KRIS: Indeed. But if you ask, then a swimmer decides, “This fellow wants to find out about water but is afraid to get wet. And let us help him and push him in the water.” Then you have a direct experience. And the water is wet. Does that make sense?
JOHN: Oh yeah.
KRIS: You could also just as easily revise our previous example of the banana split. Either way, in terms of inquiries concerning the meaning of life and what life is all about, the questions themselves only give you the feedback you already anticipate, due to the perceptions you hold. Thus if you put aside those specific perceptions, which you can do – suspend your perceptions and your disbelief in other approaches to those inquiries into the matter of life and you may begin to perceive and have direct experience that life is much different than what you experience, giving your own sets of perceptions. Does that make sense to you up to this point?
MARK: Yes.
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: And the moment you begin to adopt a different perception, if for no other reason than to have another point of view, another experience that follows the influences subject to the perceptions that you momentarily adopt, you can definitely avail yourself of a totally different comprehension. Maintaining those battle-weary inquiries, and to continue to perceive that some answer somewhere will provide you with sufficient understanding will have very little effect. It is your own experience that must then broaden your horizons. Enlarge your capacity and your perceptions will automatically shift to that which is innate to your nature. Meaning that, that shift in perception will lead you to understand, through your own visceral experiences, that reality is what you make of it. Therefore if you presently maintain that you are the one that has to shovel the manure after essence goes to its own little parties, then you will continue to have that as an experience. Do you follow?
JOHN: I think so, yeah.
KRIS: Indeed. However if you change your perception and realize that your previous mindset was strictly the results of your perceptions, “that is the way you think of it thus that is what you experience”, and you begin to make changes at that layer, you will see that on the contrary, you party as much as anything else but you may be reluctant to accept responsibility for your own actions. And actions are not merely your physical expressions. But you have actions of consciousness. Correct?
JOHN: Oh yeah.
MARK: Yep.
KRIS: And these are even more plentiful than any of your physical actions, but they are still intertwined with your physicality. Thus one of the most powerful actions of consciousness you can take is truly to shift the paradigm of your perceptions. Would that make sense to you?
JOHN: Yes. Um, there’s part of me that is eager to hear a little more concrete detail about how to do that.
KRIS: Indeed. In the example we are utilizing an inquiry was submitted that stated, as you have read.
JOHN: Yes, I remember.
KRIS: And it is a most intriguing . . And do not think that we are specifically being vague, though we are perhaps appearing to be vague. But we want to leave sufficient room so that the lovely sirens can be heard in the background.
(Again, the sound of sirens was heard loudly in the background.)
JOHN: Laughing.
MARK: That’s that essence party again.
JOHN: You know it’s because we’re appreciating them that they’re becoming stronger. You know “what you appreciate grows”? Well there you go.
KRIS: The point is that it seems that the focus personality is left to do the clean up details only because it is perceived as such.
JOHN: Yes. The note that we read the other day . . .
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: . . . suggested that focal personality was going through difficult experiences in order that essence reap the benefits of that.
KRIS: Indeed. And that is unfortunately a distortion. And interestingly enough because this distortion happens to be in the perceptions, then the individual has to act and respond and inquire along that particular vein. Do you follow?
JOHN: In other words being, uh, attending to the perceptual mechanisms there.
KRIS: Indeed. Now if said individual, author of the inquiry, and many others that you know of, momentarily agreed, made a pact with themselves that though they may believe that this is so, they can agree to momentarily suspend that particular belief. Which would also momentarily suspend the perception enough to provide the opportunity to view the experiences from a different vantage point, such that they may temporarily incorporate the notion that it is they who party, it is they who also need to acquire a sense of responsibility for their own actions and choices. And some may argue, “Yes, but they did not consciously choose to be born with a particular physical or psychological or emotional challenge.” How do they know that?
Many individuals are wont to claim that the thoughts that they choose to settle upon should become reality. In other words, they can do whatever they want to do. Our reply is perhaps simple that we would ask if that is so. Can you prevent your beard from growing?
JOHN: No, I can trim it though.
KRIS: Indeed. Are you able to prevent your lungs from breathing?
JOHN: No.
KRIS: Indeed. Are you able to prevent your heart from beating?
MARK: Well . . .
KRIS: Unless you can . . .
JOHN: No.
KRIS: But it is not the. . Indeed it is a permanent solution and not the one we are looking for, neither yours.
JOHN: No, obviously there’s an awful lot going on that is outside of our conscious awareness and yet which benefits us enormously.
KRIS: Indeed. Your so-called subjective or conscious mind maintains your physical forms without you having to understand the mechanisms of biology, physiology, medicine or anything related to physics and so on.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: So you are, in many respects, most fortunate indeed. Imagine having to walk around with an encyclopedia, and every second of the day having to turn to the encyclopedia to find out what any of your bodily functions are, how they work, so that you can turn it on, or off? It would be indeed a most burdensome journey, one hardly worth the effort.
JOHN: Yeah.
KRIS: So you are fortunate in that you create a portion of yourself, an aspect that handles all of this so that you can boogie without having to worry about how you boogie. Does that make sense?
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: And at the same time it is not as if this aspect of the self that you call the subconscious, the subjective or neo-conscious, is “out there to get you” or to thwart your best efforts. You do an adequate job of that all on your own. You do not need any help from any source. So our point is that it is possible for you to temporarily suspend your disbelief in anything that is contrary to your present perception along those lines. And during that episode of suspending your disbelief, you temporarily “try on” the notion that you are in the flow of life, that though you or someone else may have a challenge of one kind or another, you have acquiesced to the experience because you have determined, somewhere, somehow, that the experience brings you some benefit, even if you are not aware of what it is in your conscious mind at this point in time.
Some people may look at children who have even debilitating or life-threatening illnesses of one kind or another and wonder about the great injustices of the world that the children should then suffer in that way. And yes, the children do undergo their challenges. Of that there is no objection. But if you care to examine and even inquire of the children in those conditions you may discover that their perceptions and their, even youthfully expressed wisdom, often puts the greatest of philosophers to shame. They may have a take on life that is humbling for the best of human beings. And they may even understand, in their own youthful way, what it is that is being experienced by them, over and above any medical terminology. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Oh yes, absolutely. As a matter of fact we’re coming up on the Paralympics and that’s always an absolutely startlingly, inspirational, moving thing to see.
KRIS: Indeed. The mindset that inquires about such injustices is one that is still desiring to focus upon victimhood, helplessness and powerlessness to one degree or another and does not want to actually own up to the fact that they are screaming about what they are injustices to themselves. Thus they will project it onto what they see and judge as injustices onto others. Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Yes, it does.
KRIS: If you can step outside of your perceptions at that moment and look at the greater picture of the meaning of your life and what kind of outcome you are getting from the package, it may indeed open up enough cortical processes for you to get insights and deeper meaningfulness for your participation in that particular experience. Does that make sense?
JOHN: Yes it does. Uh, do you mind if I ask a quick question about that?
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: You said, “if we can step outside of our perceptions”. And earlier you said, “if we can suspend our beliefs”.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Okay, what does that look like? Is it as simple as . . . Let’s say I believe I’m a victim? Is it as simple as me saying, “Okay, I’m going to pretend for a moment here that I’m not a victim.” Is that . . Is that it?
KRIS: It is perhaps more involved than that, but the basic premise is that for a moment, for a time, you take your psychological remote control, put your perceptions on hold and literally step aside. Step outside of yourself. Literally move to the other end of the couch, if you will. And in that moment pretend that you are not a victim but someone very wise, very just with yourself and others, who sees all the nuances and the shades of life and can appreciate that even though there appear to be some incongruencies, they are still a clear path to understanding. At that moment, that very precise instant, that life there that you have under normal conditions, what you call normal conditions, is the result of perceptions. That is not the truth but the result of perceptions. And in this moment here you are creating a new perception.
JOHN: That’s why, in a sense, I was going to follow up on that, because I don’t think we can suspend our perception. I mean, we can suspend a certain type of perception but we’re always going to be perceiving, aren’t we.
KRIS: Indeed. But the perception that you are holding, in line with those particular inquiries, you can suspend any perception that you hold. Now we did not say all perceptions.
JOHN: No. Okay. So, um, by perception we could say belief here?
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Okay. So let’s say that I’m struggling with an issue, if I can sit, as you say, on a couch and then move to the other corner of the couch and then say, “Okay. That was there. That was then and this is now. And I’m now this wise eternal being who’s outside of the perceptual box that other me is in around this issue. And I’m gonna look at the broader perspective.” So is this little piece of play acting, which seems to me . . .
KRIS: You can call it improv.
JOHN: Okay.
KRIS: Essence improv if you like.
JOHN: All right.
KRIS: The point is, your perceptions create specific fields of visions, enabling you to interpret what you call reality within a specific lens.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: You can put aside that particular perception. And of course, as you move to the other end of the couch, or the other chair, or the other end of the room, and pretend that you are wiser, older, and so on, you are obviously creating another perception, but one that is large and sufficient enough to incorporate the previous perception and still be able to understand its depth and meaning.
JOHN: Okay. Well that sounds like a fun little exercise to try sometime.
KRIS: Now of course, as you maintain your experience as focus, you always need to deal with perceptions. The perceptions are not the reality but to you they are experienced AS the reality.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: It is as if you say, “The map is.”
JOHN: Right. Which raises another question. Uh, you know, just smack me down if I’m heading off in the wrong direction, but ah . . .
KRIS: You would not want to be smacked.
JOHN: All right. Uh, you’re quite right. The, it was, uh, from essence perspective, does essence use perception as well? Or is it a type of perception?
KRIS: What you experience as perception is again your interpretation, which is a perception of a perception, if you like. It is rather difficult, but we use certain focuses.
JOHN: Yes.
KRIS: And we do not mean “you” as a focus personality.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: We use lenses.
JOHN: Right. Oh, I see. Okay. Which aren’t really perception in the same way that we’re talking about?
KRIS: Not in the same way as you are. Our perceptions are reality. Your perceptions are interpretations of reality.
JOHN: Oh, so that’s why you mean perception of perception.
KRIS: Yes.
JOHN: Yeah. Okay. I get it. Now you said something quite provocative last Sunday night. You said that we were capable of experiencing our “naked truth”. Is that mean . . . Did you mean that it’s possible for us to perceive the way essence does as opposed to the perception of the perception, which is our normal?
KRIS: You can. The possibility is there. You might not be able to hold it.
JOHN: Ah. Okay.
KRIS: Perhaps like capturing a fleeting impression of a dream that you had. It may momentarily flood you with an immense sense of serendipity.
JOHN: I’ve had those moments.
KRIS: And you may remember them. But to hold onto them whilst maintaining your concentration . . .
JOHN: It’s hard.
KRIS: Indeed. It would be like holding oil between your fingers.
JOHN: Right. Well, uh, thinking back to those few moments in my lone life when I’ve had those kinds of experiences, uh, your earlier question of “What’s the meaning of life and where do I fit in?” Those questions fall away from that perspective. It’s perfectly obvious what the meaning of life and where my fit . . .
KRIS: Once you put on that hat, if you wish, even if for a fraction of an instant, an iota of a nanosecond, it is sufficient to put things into perspective.
JOHN: Uh-huh. Well I’m getting a feeling here as we discuss perception, what I’m recalling is that six months or a year ago on the radio show here, you said something that quite stuck in my mind. You said that the shift in consciousness we’re going through is a process of us learning how to choose our perceptions. Are we coming back around to that?
KRIS: It will eventually come back to the front.
JOHN: Uh-huh.
MARK: From the back to the front.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Uh-huh. Back to the
KRIS: From the back burner to the front burner and back again, with added dimensions, if you wish.
JOHN: Well this idea of suspending our present perception . . .
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: . . . and moving into this other place strikes me as getting pretty close to starting to be able to choose what perceptions we want to engage.
KRIS: Every small step gets you further on the journey.
JOHN: Uh-huh.
KRIS: (Referring to Mark) Do you have any inquiries?
MARK: I did, but I’ve forgotten it.
KRIS: Indeed. Any inquiries in Skype-land?
ALAN: Well Bill did have an inquiry a little earlier. It was mostly a comment. And he said it seems to him that the important thing really is those beliefs that we hold about the things that are innate to our own nature. And by that I mean, I think, if we’re going to let ourselves fall back on things that are innate to our nature, we’d better have some pretty positive beliefs about what those things are.
KRIS: Indeed. And it is not a mysterious, ethereal nature that you have. It is usually in front of you, in you, in your thoughts. But you often, again, settle for what you think you can get as opposed to what you want, even in those terms. You do an admirable job indeed of settling for what you think you can get. But if you dared become bold enough, you could get what you want. But that is a matter of choice.
Now we believe you can have a small pause?
MARK: Yes, thank you.
JOHN: Thank you, Kris.
MUSICAL INTERLUDE
MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on That Radio and That Channel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John, Serge and now Kris, and Alan out it Skype-land.
JOHN: Oh boy, Kris is back on the ball right away here.
KRIS: The idea of “stepping outside of yourself”, even momentarily, is to instill a different point of view. For instance, you are a multidimensional being. There is not a dimension where you cannot be found. Now if you were the eyes of essence, not the eyes of March, but the eyes of essence . . .
JOHN: Okay.
KRIS: . . . and began to look at all of those multidimensional expressions that you have inserted in all these many different dimensions, what do you think you would get, apart from a headache?
JOHN: You would get the most amazingly wide, broad, multi-faceted, complex, glorious perspective.
KRIS: Indeed. From a certain perspective you would be seeing thousands of different expressions of yourself in different forms, different genders, different situations, different historical eras, different realities altogether. And you would be able to literally see them all in action within one moment. Does that make sense?
JOHN: No.
(Laughter.)
KRIS: And that would literally be “able to see yourself outside of yourself”, see essence being able to see itself, act according to different paradigms.
JOHN: Right. So stepping outside, in a way, stepping outside of this focus for a moment is to see one ten-billionth of that perspective.
KRIS: Indeed. In the same way that you can fall asleep and enter into different dream actions, thereby also being somewhat outside of yourself, though in dream realities there is no specific real estate being taken up.
JOHN: Uh-huh.
KRIS: And thus the mayor’s office cannot tax you for unused real estate.
JOHN: Uh-huh. Yes, well, that’s a, quite an expansive thought.
MARK: There’s a saying that goes, “in order to get to know somebody you can walk a mile in their shoes”. And stepping outside and being essence, trying to understand, even if it’s through pretending, but to picture yourself as essence, not outside of it, can give you AN insight into essence.
KRIS: It is very difficult for even the most able-bodied individual to go specifically beyond the utilization of words and language, which immediately includes a distortion of some kind. The moment experience hits perception there is an immediate filtering.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: It is unavoidable. It is an immutable law.
JOHN: In a way, perception could be thought of as a filter.
KRIS: Indeed it is.
JOHN: There you go.
KRIS: Thus at that very point of contact you could even say perception is an “event horizon”. At that very point of contact it is distorted in one form or another. Thus there is always more to what you see, hear and do, and are, than meets the eye. You get to experience a “slice of”, but not the whole pie, as it were.
JOHN: Okay. All right. So that’s helpful Kris, to understand how to step back from perception and belief, really into a different, wider, perception and belief.
KRIS: Indeed. And you cannot avoid perception. You are a physically expressed being in that sense; therefore you are in perception.
JOHN: Right. Part of the deal.
KRIS: Indeed. It is in the blueprint. It is in the fine, fine, small print that you signed in the contract, as it were.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: Are there any other questions?
ALAN: Well I do have one, Kris, because although nobody’s posted it, I can imagine a lot of people out there saying, “Um, you know, gee, I’m having enough trouble coping with the life I have. If I expand my perception enough to take in many more aspects of myself and many more perceptions, uh, how am going to keep from just being totally overwhelmed?”
KRIS: Indeed. And the point is you do not have to. There are no small clauses in the contract that says that you do. However, you or anyone else can easily come to an understanding that if things no longer flow with any congruency, if the life that you dream of and imagine for yourself is simply not happening, then you may begin to shift that paradigm of perception so that the life you dream of and want, becomes your experience. Does that make sense to you?
ALAN: Yeah. I can think of another purpose that that exercise would serve too. And that is if you really stretch your consciousness to take in all these different kinds of awarenesses, uh, it might actually help you focus better in the life that you have, just by comparison.
KRIS: Indeed. And it may not even be a matter of stretching your consciousness, for it is not like an elastic band, but perhaps more so a matter of releasing limitations to consciousness. Does that make sense?
ALAN: Well it certainly does to me.
KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries?
ALAN: Well, Bill did want to know how many fire engines Toronto really had. But I think that’s off topic now.
MARK: I think they all went by.
(Laugher.)
KRIS: It is said by some Torontonians that, “Toronto is the navel of the universe”. Therefore there could be any number of them.
(Laughter.)
KRIS: What is the time, please?
MARK: Ten to.
KRIS: Ten to, indeed. Do you have any other matters you might care to discuss?
MARK: I do have one. Um, there was a little video clip that went around, um, about the idiot savant. There was this gentleman who was, um, autistic, but, um, they called him “the living camera”. And they took him up over the city of Rome in a helicopter for forty-five minutes.
KRIS: You realize you now have nine minutes.
MARK: (Laughing.) And basically when they took him down they gave him this huge piece of paper that enveloped this entire wall and he was able, over three days, to recapture on paper, the entire city of Rome in detail. Would you care to comment please?
KRIS: Indeed. Idiot savants are most interesting and peculiar individuals. Some of them even frighten you because of their abilities. There are idiot savants who can count to incredible numbers. There are those like this individual who have an extreme kind of photographic memory. And there are many other kinds that have not yet been able to bring out the fruits of their particular concentration. However, an idiot savant is such a demeaning term, as well.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: They may not be able, for the most part, to function as the average Joe, or Jane, for that matter. But they can display extraordinary, circumstantial abilities. And they may even have chosen to not participate in the usual kinds of “ins and outs of reality creation” that the average Jane and Joe participate in. Do you follow so far?
MARK: Yes.
JOHN: Oh, yeah.
KRIS: But they have chosen instead to narrow the bandwidth, in a very open manner, upon specific talents and abilities that the average Jane or Joe would be completely unable to tap into.
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: So they have made, what we can only perhaps describe poorly, as a kind of compromise, but to experience a unique concentration of talents, that are innate to all human beings, but most human beings would not be able to display these abilities. Thus they forego much of the usual ins and outs of life in order to capitalize on one or two unique talents. There are musical savants, and so many others. There are other savants that are basically waiting in the wings, such that your knowledge of medicine, your physics, of mechanics, can be transformed in a fortnight. But you barely are unable to understand even your ordinary lives as such. So these individuals are not yet ready.
JOHN: Yeah. Interesting.
KRIS: And many of them are treated as idiots.
JOHN: Right. Rather than savants.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: Well, that’s the way I like to look at it, ‘Cause these individuals that we deemed that, “Oh, they can’t even tie their own shoelaces”, yet they’ve got this talent, tells me something about my own self, my own abilities, my own powers that I deny, neglect or not allow into my life. And it’s empowering.
KRIS: And it may seem as if these individuals’ talents simply spring up from the deep well of their psyches because they have made that choice to not engage in so many other aspects of daily life, in the sense that it makes them look, appear as what you call idiots. They may not have any social skills. They may not be able to function very well in any kind of social environment. But give them the opportunity to shine and even become illuminating in their particular capacities and they will put some of the best minds to shame.
MARK: Absolutely.
KRIS: Thus if you can change your perceptions upon the nature of these individuals you might be able to appreciate some of your own abilities and talents, many of which you, again, suppress or deny, instead choosing what you can settle for.
MARK: Um-hmm.
JOHN: Um-hmm.
KRIS: These savants merely speak and demonstrate what is capable within you. Does that bring enough comprehension?
MARK Absolutely.
KRIS: Indeed, then we will return Joseph to you. And may your inner savants kick some butts once in a while.
(Laughter.)
MARK: Thank you.
JOHN: Thank you, Kris.
ALAN: Thanks, Kris.
MARK: Ah, great show. Thank you Alan. Thanks Bill and the Skypies.
ALAN: And we’ll see you on the next show.
MARK: Yep. Stay tuned and Kris will be on The Heroic Journey of the Soul coming up next. Good night everybody.
SERGE: And there’s the heroes of the soul there.
(Laughter.)
END OF SHOW
What is Perception?
August 17, 2008
Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, August 17, 2008
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Barbara and Angela
(7:56 PM)
KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration and welcome to our humble little evening. (Addressing Angela) Simply to get some things out of the way, we will be pre-emptive here and offer you an Essence name, that being “Babwa.” There is a reason why you have a strong inclination, not only to some forms of African drumming and wisdom, but there is a much deeper river that runs through you that draws from many African focuses, or lifetimes, in those terms. Even to some very high civilizations that have for the most part simply gone from man’s memory.
So you can take advantage of that river that runs through you in meditative or contemplative moments. You know how to go into trance. Take advantage of that and simply ask your subconscious to lead you through the corridors of time and space to a time and a place on the ancient African continent where a high civilization was active and allow the imagery to come to your awareness. It will alter your perception of yourself. You are simultaneously struggling with issues of self-worth and this has more or less pestered you for some time. You have sought ways to go around the issue and whenever someone seeks to go around the issue, they will keep struggling. You cannot go around issues. You need to go through them. You need to expand and make yourself strong enough to simply absorb, accept the issues. Does that make sense to you?
ANGELA: Yes.
KRIS: Indeed. Now then, we asked Joseph to bring a lovely book, a book of words. Please look up “perception.” It is a topic that is often discussed, is it not?
MARK: Indeed.
KRIS: Even by ourselves.
JOHN: Yes it is.
ANGELA: One that I actually came across this week — perception. Deepak Chopra. I was reading a book of his.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: Perception is not far away from percussion in the dictionary.
KRIS: Please speak loudly.
MARK: Okay. “Consciousness.” Answer number one. Number two: “A result of perceiving. Observation. A mental image. Concept. Awareness of the elements of environment through physical sensation. Physical sensation interpreted in the light of experience. A quick, acute and intuitive cognition. Appreciation. A capacity for comprehension.”
KRIS: Continue.
MARK: Well, from there it goes into “perceptive.”
JOHN: What was the first one again?
MARK: Consciousness.
JOHN: Well, I’ll be snickered. (Chuckling)
MARK: I take it the one you are looking for is not here?
KRIS: It is sufficient. There are expansions upon that. It is obvious that you need to get a newer dictionary.
(Laughter)
Somewhat more up-to-date. Now then, for all intents and purposes, or should we say, intents and perceptions, at least the first description is more than sufficient. It describes it as consciousness. Perception also is that which you take to be reality. Does that make sense to you?
ANGELA: Yes. I was reading in Chopra’s quantum physics book all about what is real, perceiver, perceiving, perceive (words lost)
KRIS: Indeed, therefore what the perceiver perceives, the perceiver experiences. Thus, what you experience through your physical senses is no more than the interpretations sensory perceptions. That is the reality that you live in: the world of your thoughts, your ideas, your feelings, your emotions and everything else that is an intangible. That is what makes up your reality experience. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Yes. Can I ask a quickie?
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: When we have a thought, is that a perception?
KRIS: It falls under this, yes. Do you know why?
JOHN: Because we’re interpreting that thought from this focal awareness.
KRIS: You have to filter that communication through perception. As well, thoughts, any thoughts, even those that are deemed to have no influence or effect on reality or reality creation for that matter, still have a powerful impact, just as words do, because thoughts are received in a multi-disciplinary fashion. Thoughts are not merely some ethereal subject matters. They are replete with feeling-tones. They are replete with auditory, visual, kinesthetic responses, are they not?
JOHN: Yeah.
KRIS: Therefore they affect your neurology, your physiology and your psychology. They impact it in one way or another.
JOHN: Right, and that’s perception.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Okay, I get it.
KRIS: Thus, in another way, perceptions are filters. Through those filters, you view certain interpretations that you then call your reality and it is far more potent and far quicker than you may perceive. Forgive the pun. It is often understood that physical reality and the outside world is very different from your perceptions. However, that world is still contained within the filters of your perceptions, without doubt. You still utilize your own material energies to maintain that physical world as part of your perceptions. For the most part, you live within those perceptions. That is what you experience as reality.
You may have an unjustified fear, perhaps even phobias, and you will react according to that influence, will you not? For you that is the reality until such a point in time that someone can influence you to choose a more beneficial perception. THAT is what hypnosis is about. Hypnosis is not about some mystic powers that another individual has over you. Hypnosis is not about anything else but offering an individual the opportunity to change or shift their perception to something more beneficial to themselves. That is what hypnosis and NLP and many other modalities are about.
JOHN: Triple ‘A’ for instance.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: Well, your whole teaching. All the information you’ve been offering.
KRIS: Correct. Everything that Seth, Elias, Abraham, and many others have offered.
ANGELA: All this is a self-hypnosis.
KRIS: Indeed.
ANGELA: Guiding the person to go within to that place of eternal peace and joy and then with suggestions that you give permission to help you perceive something that you want to manifest. It’s a co-creation kind of thing.
KRIS: For instance, you have done a marvelous job of shifting some of your perceptions.
MYRNA: You were in on our conversation tonight, weren’t you? Oh, yeah, I have.
KRIS: And so have you. Indeed, all of you. We will give you a perhaps silly but quite appropriate example and it may sound inane even, but it brings the point home. This afternoon, Joseph thought he lost his specs. He looked for them high and low and he could not find them. And what did he continue to tell himself? That he could not find them, that they were lost, they were gone, to the point where he contemplated going to the eyeglass shop tomorrow to get a new pair.
ANGELA: He kept telling himself they were lost, they’re lost, they’re lost.
KRIS: Indeed, thus, after forgetting this issue for a while they were found again. They were where he had looked several times, but because he had convinced himself that they were lost, the perceptions filtered their image and according to what he had told himself — that they were lost, they were gone — they appeared to be so.
MYRNA: Oh, interesting!
KRIS: So this is a very small, ordinary example. How many times have you done that with your keys, for instance? Car keys, house keys, shop keys, any kind of keys.
JOHN: How many times have I done that with my self-worth?
KRIS: Indeed!
ANGELA: You’ve misplaced yourself?
JOHN: For decades!
ANGELA: So what is that with us, with our self-worth?
KRIS: It is simply that you think you do not have any.
ANGELA: Where did we get that from?
KRIS: It can come from many places. It can come from things you accepted as truth from parents, from siblings, from relatives, from teachers, from the system, and so on and so forth.
ANGELA: Or from past life selves?
KRIS: Wherever you received it, you accepted it, therefore it filtered or colored your perceptions.
ANGELA: And so you told me to stop [going around issues], and if it takes two, how do we stop (words lost)?
KRIS: By stopping avoiding the issues. Human beings have an incredible capacity to deny what is there in their face at the tip of their nose, so to speak. That is within your prerogatives. Thus, with this small example of the glasses or keys, which may also be very familiar with people across the world, you have a direct experience with how what you tell yourself becomes believable enough for it to color your perceptions.
MYRNA: And therefore create the reality of it.
KRIS: Indeed, sometimes instantly. Take for instance, even just recently some people managed to lift a school bus off a woman. Now, they instantly believed that they had the strength to do this and they did. There are examples in your own lives or other people’s lives all the time because you cannot escape the powers of your perception, and it is not as if these powers are overpowering you or taking control of you. It is you who have the key.
ANGELA: Why do we choose to self-destroy…?… In a sense, we are not being good to ourselves, that we choose to make a path of self-destruction, whether it’s a habit…
KRIS: That may only be a perception in itself. It may not be self-destructive but the more you may convince yourself it is self-destructive, the more difficult it will be until you realize that you can drop it, just like the emperor can drop his clothes. There is then, within yourselves, the capacity to experience naked truth… The truth of your own being. And that little power — what you tell yourself, which comes with images, with feelings, with intense emotions, sounds, colors, depth; experiences that you build up from the inside out — then becomes what you experience as your reality. Take for example this question that is printed there.
JOHN: Yes.
KRIS: We will address that in another way at another time, but if you would be so kind as to read the inquiry? Only the question.
JOHN: (Reading) “One topic I have not seen addressed by Kris, at least to a significant degree, is the role many focuses are handed at birth, i.e., birth-related defects, traumas and etc., which the focus, faced with that challenge, does not consciously choose and which challenge amounts to the focus ‘shoveling the manure’ so the higher Self can smell the roses.”
KRIS: Indeed. (To Mark) You would be so kind as to forward the inquiry to Kwaa’Ji?
MARK: Indeed.
KRIS: For all intents and purposes, we are not addressing the topic of the inquiry, but it does play into our discussion this evening about the perception. Thus, the individual in question and many, many other individuals are of similar mind. They perceive that the high and mighty Essence or Higher Self, sitting on its great cosmic white horse, hands down certain challenges to those poor, befuddled focuses as if it is meting out judgments and punishments in a way. Because that is the implication of the inquiry: YOU will be a quadriplegic; YOU will be a poor sap; YOU will be a slave, and so on and so forth. That all stems from perceptions and the more the perception is engrained in this and other individual’s minds, the more they will see that this is what is occurring, just as in old religious terms, the Deity gave out life sentences. Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Absolutely.
MYRNA: The word “perception” and the word “belief”… can you use them synonymously?
KRIS: Yes and still there are still nuances such that perceptions can embrace all beliefs, but a belief can stand on its own and still be part of the perceptions, but a belief is an isolated perception. Does that make some sense to you?
ANGELA: So it is the soul, being born, that knows ahead of time that it will be born to a deformed body and…
KRIS: There is much more involved and we do not wish at this point in time to get into that particular aspect of the inquiry because it will be lengthy, but it does demonstrate a specific type of perception that is held by this and many individuals.
MYRNA: You have worked certainly — in the four years that I’ve been exposed to you — you’ve worked very hard to help me, us, to understand a very different story, a very different story, than somebody meting out a lifetime or a situation, and all that work about who are we and all those things that we did. I’ve certainly changed my perceptions. My perceptions are different than when I first started. And interestingly enough, something very profound happened within the last three hours. Starting with the conversation with John as a result of work he has been doing with you and how we work to apply it and a lot of pennies dropped around value fulfillment.
KRIS: Pennies?
MYRNA: Yeah, pennies… Well, dollars… thoughts, perceptions.
ANGELA: Pennies for your thoughts?
MYRNA: Yeah, pennies for my thoughts… and the biggest a-ha was resistance and all of a sudden, talk about perceptions changing, all of a sudden the resistance becomes a messenger for a value.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: Have we got this right?
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: Absolutely. Holy cow. Don’t need to spend much time with resistance and spending all my time trying to figure out the meaning of all these resistances. The only thing that really matters is what value it comes to. And when John worked with me this week on some of the stuff you’ve offered him through, and we used the word “intention” and I thought, “No, I don’t want to use the word ‘intention.’ It’s a bit too loaded.” But the word “value” really got to me this week. What’s the value of mine? What is it that I value behind anything that’s happened? And in identifying that value, I can stay with the value. I don’t have to figure out the resistance in my elbow or in my head or in my eye or my jaw. I don’t need to worry about that. There’s value being expressed here. And all of a sudden value fulfillment starts making a lot of sense to me. I mean, this was HUGE three hours ago to get that! Period.
KRIS: Indeed. As your weeks unfold you will see and experience additional layers within your values. It is not only the value of a prickly elbow or some conflict in the workplace, but it is the value of your being that is the ultimate –
MYRNA: (Breaking in) Yes! Absolutely. I meant to express that. So the prickly thing reminds me of perfect health and wholeness as a value. That’s what I’m talking about, not the value of a prickly elbow, but what’s the thing beneath that. What’s the value of my being, that that’s pointing to to remind me of?
JOHN: The phrase you used, if I may interject, you said when you experience an issue, a problem, a difficulty, a pain, a whatever, and you find yourself resisting it, the way around the resistance is to say “What is being valued here?” So for instance, if my father is always on my back to get a job and straighten up and fly right, I don’t like the way he is trying to get me to fulfill that value, but what I understand is that the “value” he is talking about there is financial freedom and the freedom of being, then I can agree with him whole-heartedly and just choose a different fulfillment of that same value.
KRIS: You could say that literally those values are as the world within the pearl. Thus, the world is your oyster.
ANGELA: It may need a little rubbing to make the pearl.
KRIS: A little polishing.
MYRNA: So…. what I was going to say was the naked truth. You used that expression?
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: The naked truth. My truth.
JOHN: He actually said that we have the potential to experience the naked truth of our being.
MYRNA: Absolutely!
JOHN: I noted that too.
MYRNA: Absolutely, which, by the way scares the hell out of me. I know it’s a perception, but Holy Cow, it’s exactly what’s going on for us right now.
JOHN: I’m not naked yet. I think I’ve still got my pants on!
MYRNA: (Laughs) Oh my. It’s extraordinary.
ANGELA: What are you afraid of?
MYRNA: Well, I don’t think I could tell you that in thirty seconds. It’s just that it’s very huge when there are no more distractions and the beliefs have all fallen away and I stand here looking at… fearing me in that Earth goddess that we’ve talked about.
ANGELA: Perception… I know sometimes one can say, look in the mirror and then how their face can change and reveal perhaps… you might be thinking of the physical eyes playing tricks and then you say “Oh, no, you’re seeing beyond” and maybe it is like a Cheshire cat, all that’s left are the eyes, like energy…. yeah, one can perceive, go beyond a variation of a naked truth. I have had experiences where it’s like “Yes, this is it.” It’s like that, being beyond the body, beyond the physical, beyond the senses.
KRIS: You utilize the body very often to hide your own truths from yourselves. It is something you are quite talented at and at the same time, in order to hide truth, you need to know what that truth is, do you not? So it implies quite strongly that even though someone may say they do not know what it is they may fear, they DO know. Because when you say, “I do not know” then you are telling your subconscious “Do not tell me! I do not know.”
ANGELA: (Words indistinct)
KRIS: It is indeed very universal in that way. Thus perception is a powerful thing to understand. And if you can like Joseph so easily misplace your glasses, your keys or anything else and keep telling yourself that you have lost them, that they are gone — even your self-worth, your own personal strengths — and you keep telling yourselves that you are afraid, what do you get?
JOHN: More of the same.
KRIS: Indeed, it is that which you concentrate upon.
ANGELA: So the thing to say is not “Oh, I don’t want this” but to say “What do you want?” It’s like attention/intention. From perception comes the intention and then what you put attention to. What is your intention, what do you want to perceive, what is your intention to perceive and what are you going to put ATTENTION to. Too many of us forget that.
KRIS: It is a good thing to keep in mind that this ability, this power, is not something you are learning about today, but it is something you have used your whole lives. You have used it as the sculptor uses his chisel and hammer to bring out Davids and Madonnas from blocks of marble, just as the artist uses his brushes and pigments to imprint the canvas with the Mona Lisa.
ANGELA: An artist perceives it first. I think the canvas speaks to me and shows me “here it is” and this what other artists do, the stone, it’s already in there. It’s already in that stone.
KRIS: Indeed, because it exists in the perception first. Thus you have very interesting capabilities and they can be tapped so very innocently. Next time you lose something, next time something seems to be misplaced, notice immediately what you are going to tell yourselves. Are you going through the script? “They are lost, they are gone. I cannot find them” and you may look one hundred times in the same spot. You go away and someone says “Here are your keys right where you left them. On the very same place you looked at one hundred times” and you can swear they were not there. And to you they were not there and that is a truth, is it not?
ANGELA: Like getting a blind spot?
KRIS: Your self makes certain that your perceptions are as you make them. In other words, your subconscious mind sees to it that you are not a liar. If you keep telling yourself they are not there, they will not be there.
JOHN: It’s so darn accommodating, isn’t it?
KRIS: It can give you an insight into just how not only powerful, creative and so on that you are, there are perhaps very few words that can describe just what it is that you do.
JOHN: Actually, I’ve got a quickie on how to find something that you’ve lost, Kris, that might be helpful or apropos. The easiest way to describe this is if you’ve lost a pair of scissors — and I’ve tried this and it works — It’s a way to use the body consciousness to change your perception, I guess. Anyway, if you’ve lost a pair of scissors, instead of going around from room to room saying “Where are those darn scissors? I can’t find them!” What you do is this: you hold your hand as though you’ve got your scissors in your hand. You hold your hand just the way you use the scissors and say “This is what I’m looking for” and in a few moments you’ll find the scissors.
KRIS: It will bring back the perception of your scissors. And we are certain that those darn scissors is not specifically what you would say!
JOHN: Exactly!
KRIS: But you are very gentlemanly about it.
JOHN: I understand this is a family!
MARK: (Jokingly) So, does that mean if you lose your glasses you should look around the room as if you’ve got your glasses on and see your glasses?
(Laughter)
JOHN: With glasses I would hold my hands in the way that I always hold my glasses, so I hold my hands like this (demonstrates).
ANGELA: It’s like a dowser. Yeah, I actually misplaced my glasses a couple of times this week too, but what I did was think back to “where was I?” and going back through your steps. That always works for me then I find I change my perception because I say, bend down again to where I was and there it is.
KRIS: Any inquiries or do you wish to have a small pause?
MARK: I think a break is in order.
KRIS: Indeed then! Do not lose anything.
[Break at 8:32 PM. Kris returns at an unspecified time.]
KRIS: Therefore as we were saying, recognizing how you use and play with your perceptions, how you feed your perceptions, how you literally command it to give you certain experiences, becoming aware of that process can and will have a dramatic impact upon what you then experience because it gives you the knowledge and the wisdom to make changes, alterations, transformations to your realities in a way that continues to give you joy and pleasure and experiencing that which you desire. The notion that you have resistances is an immediate red flag and indicator that you may indeed believe that those perceptions might not be so easily changed. Thus, because you believe that, then you get to experience that it is not so easily changed. Does that make sense as well?
MYRNA: Yeah, your expression “command my perception” is a very interesting phrase.
JOHN: Yeah, and “feed your expressions.” I want more!
MYRNA: Yeah.
KRIS: Indeed, how many times do you indeed, as we have spoken very often, beat yourselves in the head with a two-by-four? And in some cases, an eight-by-eight! Which simply continues to erode away at your sense of self-worth, self-appreciation, and so on and so forth. So these particular directives are acted upon your consciousness. Make certain that you are not a liar. You want to consider yourself a this and a that, what happens?
JOHN: Then, that’s what we perceive.
KRIS: And thus experience.
JOHN: The way we feed or command our perception is by the choices we make about where we’re placing our attention.
KRIS: Yes.
JOHN: And the values that we resonate with.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: It’s not that I’m not getting this now. I’m getting this…
KRIS: Does that mean we have to up the ante and provide you with other stuff you do not get?
MYRNA: (Laughing) No, let me enjoy this for a while.
MARK: I find it interesting that you use the word “command.”
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: Because just a couple of hours ago I caught myself going through a script on something very negative, or negative enough, and I caught myself doing it, so I wanted to turn around and I started thinking about commanding the opposite and I thought, Well, no that’s not going to work. Because that instantly throws up a flag that, you know, oh, you’re faking it, it’s a lie, it’s untrue. So I thought, “Okay if I can’t do that, what do I do?” And what came up for me is to ask the universe for something nice to happen, for the right thing, what you would prefer, what you do want to happen, and I’ve been working with that.
KRIS: Indeed. And did you notice the differences in impact?
MARK: Absolutely.
KRIS: Because when you command you will also get what you command, but it is usually not very pleasant, is it? It indicates a “lack of.”
MARK: Exactly. That’s what I noticed.
KRIS: But when you turn it around and you ask, which means that you feed and you nurture the experiences that you want to have, you get a completely different response.
MYRNA: But you used the word “command.”
KRIS: Indeed, we did utilize it in the way you command your perceptions.
MYRNA: Okay, I get it.
KRIS: Indeed. We also love to dance. Now, on the other hand, when you feed and nurture your perceptions, the response is as immediate but it is far more pleasant and enjoyable.
MYRNA: Kris, there are a few of us who weren’t getting this. Are we really starting to get this? I have this perception of the little Prince standing there… you know that picture in that book? The Little Prince? He’s standing there on his little globe, looking off into the vast unknown and that’s something I’ve always resonated with. I’m there right now and I’m wondering what I can do to calm myself down.
ANGELA: Take a deep breath?
MYRNA: (Chuckling) I’m asking for some help here because this is…. you know, we’ve talked about it in previous sessions, of facing the unknown, and I’m prepared to do that now.
KRIS: Why would you want to tone down your excitement?
MYRNA: Okay, well, I don’t see it as excitement, but you’re right…
KRIS: It is a sense of titillation, if you wish; excitement, exhilaration. Passion. You are passionate in different ways as well and you have always been somewhat hesitant to throw your passions in that direction because you know that at opposite ends of the scale your passions can be rather destructive. The same passionate power can be used instead, in that way, to bring you to experiences that you may have only dared imagine about. Thus, it is perhaps merely a matter of recognizing that excitement, that surge of electricity if you wish, and see where it leads you. Consider yourself a little bubble of mercury thrown into the Earth to find gold, because mercury will always find gold. It is used extensively in gold mining, specifically for that purpose. Do you follow? So your excitement, then, can be used like little globs of mercury and you are looking for gold, so you release the mercury and watch it go immediately to find gold. Then you can take the gold, pan it, and pocket it.
MYRNA: You know, I think you’ve brought up something. My passion has been…. I have led myself astray in other ways… You’re right, there is passion there and I think I’ve scared myself over the years.
ANGELA: That’s very good, very good. Mercury and gold.
KRIS: (To John) Do you have something to say, wise one?
JOHN: I like the imagery of mercury and gold and I like the idea that our excitement… sometimes it’s fear, but mainly it’s excitement… and I like your comment that things are changing, that we’ve made some new perceptions. I love that very, very much. Yeah, you’ve been giving us so much, it’s a banquet here.
KRIS: It is an all-you-can-eat buffet. And there are no limits.
ANGELA: And you never get fat!
KRIS: There are no calories.
ANGELA: What about (words too faint, something about dreams)
KRIS: It is another layer that you also utilize to formulate some of your experiences. The world of dreams is filled with significances that often escape you because again, you filter them out, like Joseph filtered out his glasses by simply telling himself that they were lost.
ANGELA: So it is worthwhile to tell ourselves before we go to sleep “Remember that dream is of importance” and then write it down.
KRIS: You can go well beyond that and you can suggest that your dream self explore new ground, new territory, new concepts for you to enrich your daily living experiences. We rather like the analogy of mercury and gold, so consider that your suggestions are all little globs of mercury and they will draw you to the golden experiences.
ANGELA: The finder of the heart of gold.
KRIS: Indeed. (To Barbara) And what about you?
BARBARA: I’m peachy. I’m good.
ANGELA: Are you golden? It’s interesting because I was at the (words lost) a couple of weeks ago to see a psychic and some of the things she said to me was “I see you in a gold dress. You have a golden energy around you. You are to share in the gold.”
KRIS: And what about yourself?
MARK: Oh, I’m good!
MYRNA: But he’d never say peachy!
MARK: (Chuckling) No.
KRIS: We are always peachy in every sense of the word, even as a Georgia peach. What is the time, please?
MARK: 8:52.
KRIS: Any other inquiries? Otherwise we will return you to your peachy selves.
JOHN: I’ve got a thought for you, Kris, if I may.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: One of my objectives recently, in the last month, let’s say, has been to be more decisive, to be more perseverant [sic], and to literally step into my potentials more and more every day. Have you got any suggestions on how I can accelerate that?
KRIS: Make certain that when you take those moments to put together and to utilize your words along those lines, which you may call affirmations, even though some individuals may think that affirmations merely explore a “lack of” that is a distortion to keep from actually using affirmations. Now, the point is that you are seeking to influence new conditions, therefore new perceptions from which you will have new experiences. Therefore, when you put yourself together in that contemplative state, make certain that it is not only words that you say, but that the words are complete with feelings, with images, with sounds, with sights, with smells, with tastes, anything that activates the senses within that imaginary moment and deepen the moment simply by telling yourself that every moment you spend in that contemplative state whereby you reinforce the affirmations and the influences you want to impress upon your perceptions are deeper and deeper.
JOHN: Okay, good.
KRIS: Three, four times a day. It only takes a few moments. And then begin to look for the seeds to sprout. Expect it in any way, shape or form.
JOHN: Then act on it when I notice it.
KRIS: That is correct.
ANGELA: Envision like it’s already happened? And act on it.
JOHN: Very good, thank you. That was great. The other thing I wanted to just make a comment on is the other day I had this thought and I think you may have been the cause of it on some level, very likely. The idea that we’re unlimited beings. I like that idea, unlimited, even though we think we’re finite. Now, the actual perception of our unlimitedness in this physical focus has to do with our whole self as consciousness? That our ability to go out into that in unlimited ways, the idea of thoughts floating through, there’s a number of peeks, hints that we get, sort of our little unlimited self. I’d like to bring more to a focus and make more daily use of my unlimitedness.
KRIS: Continue.
JOHN: And so the issue I have with unlimitedness though, is that in the way that we’ve been discussing, it’s very hard to…. I can say that I’m now going to leap into my unlimitedness, but it’s hard for me to get a visual, a feeling, a smell… It’s hard for me to flesh that out in the way that we…
KRIS: Indeed, we understand and you are as the frog in the well.
JOHN: I remember being in that well.
KRIS: Indeed. Thus instead of simply puffing on air and making yourself bigger until you explode, just allow any possibilities that are beneficial to you to happen in your life.
JOHN: So I can make contact with my unlimited aspects by loosening up on the allowing. Allowing more…. Basically unlimited allowing in a way. Okay. That’s good.
KRIS: In the same way that someone may want to try and understand whom and what they are and we will expand more upon this on Tuesday night. For example, how many of you have thought in your own selves “I do not feel like myself today. I am not sure that is me” and so on and so forth. Now, the reality is that it is still yourself. It cannot be not you, but it may be an aspect of yourself that you have not come across yet, or that may come bearing gifts, may add to the personality structure that you normally slip into on a daily basis. It is not unlike putting on a suit and suddenly discovering that it has extra pockets you may not have noticed, even though you may have been wearing it for a very long time and in the pockets are all sorts of trinkets and treasures.
So it is an add-on to your own psychological suit, if you wish, and though you might feel a slight disorientation in some way, instead of trying to cut it off, stop it, sometimes you may even tell yourself “Oh, that’s all just nonsense!” or perhaps you will reach for an aspirin, hoping it all goes away… allow some of that to incorporate itself into your experience. You may suddenly find that some of your perceptions are expanded, added to, from some other aspect. It may feel somewhat uncomfortable initially in some way, perhaps not unlike breaking in a new pair of shoes, but once you manage to fit it in, it is indeed quite nice.
JOHN: Just one final question, and that is: Is it within our capacity, not only to experience our naked self, but can we get to the point as Orodin, where we actually relish the unfamiliar and embrace change?
KRIS: Indeed, it is within your capabilities, your possibilities and your potentials. How you put all of that together is another issue altogether. Does that make sense to you?
MYRNA: I’d like to relish change.
KRIS: There are many people who claim to relish change as long as it doesn’t come too close. To think about it and to actually live it is another thing altogether.
JOHN: Keeping in mind what you’ve described there, which is the odd day when you don’t feel like yourself, to allow that and go with it, the area where I want to embrace change is in my own identity and idea of who and what I am. That’s where I’d like to see change, where I’d like to embrace and enjoy change.
KRIS: Think of your personality as in an example we’ve used before: a lovely carpet made up of threads and fibers that may indeed come from all parts of the world. Each unique thread complete with experiences of its own background, woven into the carpet, they would not be prominent. They would simply blend in, but if you were to examine each thread and fiber in the carpet individually, you might find unique traits. You might even be able to identify this thread comes from cotton grown only in India; this thread comes from bamboo found only in the deep forests of China; and this thread comes from other plant found in Peru.
And by focusing upon it, exploring it, you may find all sorts of other interesting information. And similarly, by inviting these other aspects into your focus, they do not take away nor impose upon your experience, but indeed enrich it. Think of an actor or actress. As their ordinary selves, they are simply like most other people, but say the actor decides to take on the role of Macbeth. He has to make room in his consciousness, in his awareness, for that persona and though the persona exists within the realm of the play, the actor may or may not notice, but he MAY notice that his personality, as he thinks of himself in ordinary ways is also enriched by playing the character, as it will be. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Yeah, it’s great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
KRIS: So see who you will be playing tomorrow! And with that we thank you for your lovely, peachy consideration and we return Joseph to you.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
[Session ends at 9:04 PM]
August 2008 Newsletter
August 17, 2008
Kris Newsletter August 2008
Hi again from Toronto, Canada.
Mark and I hope that you are enjoying your summer as much as we are. Even though Toronto has seen a record-breaking amount of rain this season, we’ve still managed to have plenty of great days filled with sunshine and warmth.
The lawns that normally would be scorched brown by the sun this summer managed to stay green from lots of rain, so our city looks very lush and vibrant. We’ve also managed to sneak in a few more Walks with Kris, though if time permitted we’d have had many more.
Below you’ll find the results of a 1.5 Walk that focuses on “Value Fulfillment” and more. I refer to it as a 1.5 Walk simply because the first one was a full Walk, and the second was barely 20 minutes.
We are also looking forward to going to New Jersey in a few weeks to join Ella, Inna and other friends for a Kris workshop. There is still time to join us there. This is an outline of the workshop:
HUNTING FOR YOUR DREAMS
~ The Ultimate “Creation Therapy”
A therapeutic approach to “You Create Your Reality”: a profound and even life altering statement. This innovative workshop breaks new ground on a much talked about but little understood concept. Kris explains the ins and outs of the concept, how to use it, and the psychological and therapeutic values inherent in exploring and making use of such a powerful world view.
Using specific information, meditation practices and unique psychological tools developed with nearly 30 years of speaking through channeler Serge J Grandbois, Kris offers an workshop that defines how your reality is the physical manifestation of your thoughts, your beliefs, your expectations and emotional states. In simple words, learn how you can change your thoughts, your beliefs, and expectations and create for yourself a different experience of reality!!
Remove:
- Conflict and stress: Reduce their impact on your life
- Restrictive mental patterns: Discover and change what’s holding you back
Create:
- Positive mental concepts and success attitudes: Make them part of your daily experience
- Goal setting: Identify your objectives and move into action
- Intuition and awareness: Expand your innate capabilities
- Self-worth and Confidence: Increase your personal esteem and assurance
- Relaxation: Deepen your capacity
- Decision Making: Create clarity and move through procrastination
- Concentration: Improve your ability to focus
- Emotional Expression: Connect with and amplify your feelings
- Health: Enhance or return to your natural state of well-being (don’t neglect doctor’s advice)
- Creativity: Develop your personal expression
- Learning: Increase knowledge, comprehension, and retention
“You are born with the ability to create Joy, Abundance, Love and Happiness in your personal lives. Why are you then searching for these things, as if they are lost, or must come from some foreign place, or from someone else? They are the natural expressions, the very by-products of a spiritual being enjoying the human experience. It is natural and spontaneous for you to create these things. Creating strife and despair, conflict, misery and any other ailments of the human condition is an energy draining and eventually life threatening process. Free yourselves with mindful conscious creations!” ~ Kris
Click here to sign up now: http://krischronicles.com/?page_id=5
On another note, the prices for private sessions as well as blocks of sessions is going up from $175.00 to $200.00 CDN in a few days, so if you have ever thought of having one or more sessions with Kris, now is the time. Click here for your own: http://krischronicles.com/?page_id=4
Over the last 3 decades Kris has proven to be an incredible Life and Consciousness Coach, offering guidance and assistance to countless people from all walks of life.
He’s also demonstrated over and over again that he’s as comfortable with a one on one, as he is with small to large groups, either in a live in person workshop or in the various online Skype workshops, such as the recent ones like “Aspect Therapy” or the newest one called “So You Want To Change The World”, which apparently he kicked off with a blast just this past Tuesday evening.
If you’d like to join in this newest online workshop (So You Want To Change The World), click here for details and to join, as there’s still some room left (you’ll receive the audio file to catch up as well as the transcript as soon as it is ready). After this coming Tuesday the group will be closed: http://krischronicles.com/?page_id=299
This coming Thursday at 7:00 PM Eastern time zone is our usual Kris Radio Show on www.thatradio.com and there’s also a little extra this coming Thursday immediately following the Kris Radio Show, with Kris being interview on The Heroic Journey of The Soul radio show also on www.thatradio.com right after our own show. A few months ago when Serge was interviewed on The Heroic Journey show, it proved to be a very interesting interview, and this too should proved worth listening to. See you then
Mark has also created a special website to showcase Kris’ “Dreams of the Gods” which was offered as an online course earlier this year. It proved most interesting, providing information on dreams states and so much more. The interest was such that we had to offer two workshops: one for people in North America and one for people in Europe. All told there were 16 presentations for this workshop and it is now fully available for download, including all audio (in MP3 format) and transcripts.
Here are a few testimonials about this particular “Dreams” workshop:
“I spent 30 years with Seth’s material and many years studying Robert Monroe’s wonderful work, so I thought Kris would be very challenged to provide anything I hadn’t already discovered. I was wrong. He constantly brings freshness to their information and offers new ideas of his own. It is fun to be part of such a unique moment and exchange.”
Bill H., USA
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“Kris has once again demonstrated that what he conveys, and the answers that we seek, are simple—just not easy! At the very end of the dream workshop he repeated this by indicating that there was something behind just his simple, direct words, that was meant to lead us into a greater appreciation and acceptance of who we really are. With Kris, nothing from him is frivolous, or in jest, despite his lighthearted comments and banter. At our best–we can only humbly heed the messages, and await the results in our own lives.”
Energetic Alternatives, LLC.
Alan Aspinall, J.D.
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Hi Serge;
I wanted to express to you how much I enjoyed the dream workshop series that you, Kris and Mark offered to us all. As you are aware I have been journaling my dreams for about six or seven years now, and have had many experiences within that area of consciousness. A lucid experience, however, was one that was always allusive to me, and what I hoped would come out of the Workshops with Kris.
Not only was this desire fulfilled within the time we were holding the sessions but there was so much knowledge offered, that it will provide inspiration for a deepening exploration of dreaming, and the information and experiences to be had within that area of consciousness.
I would highly recommend the workshop for anyone with an interest in dreaming, as it can definitely be an opening for an exploration that can lend to many benefits for anyone who participates.
Thanks again, Chuck, USA
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“I highly recommend Kris’s dream workshop to anyone that enjoys his material. In this workshop, he gives guidance that I’ve not heard elsewhere on beginning to learn your own inner language of dreaming that you use to communicate with yourself. Each lesson teaches something new on the structure of dreams, or actions that may occur within dreams and how to identify them. The workshop provided a road map for me to begin to understand and make use of my dreams, and start to have more waking consciousness participation with my dreams; where before, I recorded them and didn’t really know what to do with them after that. I still have a lot of work ahead of me to make use of everything I learned, and I’m looking forward to it!” – Jon, USA
Whether for yourself, or a gift for a friend or loved one, this workshop is sure to open your awareness of dreams in a deep and satisfying way, encouraging the dreamer to explore new frontiers of consciousness!
As soon as Paypal processes your payment for “Dreams of the Gods” and we are notified, Mark will send you a user ID and password to access the site where all the downloadable items are available for quick access. Click here for details: http://dreamsofthegods.net
Fell free to pass this newsletter on to all your friends and family, online discussion groups and everyone you want to share it with, and enjoy what follows.
Cheers,
Serge and Mark
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Kris Chronicles
A Kris Walk
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 28, 2008
Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip),
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.
MARK: Yes, thank you.
KRIS: This is, then, effectively the first walk in your new neighborhood. And it is always nice to be surrounded by the Kosmos [as Mark and Serge are walking by a large front lawn garden covered in tall Kosmos (also spelled Cosmos) flowers].
Effectively, that does represent something most interesting, growing Kosmos. As far as the plant is concerned, in your expression of reality, you need seeds, which you put into the ground, you nurture [and] you make certain there is sufficient water and warmth, sunshine.
MARK: Yes,
KRIS: And during the appropriate season you get the results. In so many ways what you then call the cosmos, spelled cosmos, is not unlike what you do with the plant, spelled Kos[mos]. You still need seeds. They need nurturing. Though not in the same way, they still need nurturing, energy so that this cosmos must then grow, expand, achieve their own potential and through the achievement of those potentials, experience their fulfillment. And as a result all of the various life forms within that, and these cosmos, experience their fulfillment.
You cannot have the fulfillment of one thing nor one life form, or one individual, at the expense of others. Every expression of life, animate or inanimate, shares in the fulfillment. That is also very significant in itself. That implies then that every single manifestation of consciousness within any cosmos has its own directive towards fulfillment, its own set of drives.
Even the molecules that compose this grey metal box, or mail deposit box, the units of consciousness that compose the leaves in these trees and plants, even in the plant debris, the biological matter, the sidewalks, the sky, all these manifestations are geared towards a sharing in and with the fulfillment of all other manifestations of consciousness. And none ever misses out or is excluded. It simply is not possible and that includes the entire cosmos. Any comment?
MARK: It’s definitely a much bigger picture. It’s a perspective I’ve never quite looked at, an angle that I’ve never taken a look at before, but it makes total sense.
KRIS: Indeed, because everything functions in totality. That includes what you may consider anomalies along those lines. Many would consider, for instance, that surely conflicts, wars and other calamities to be out of synch with the picture of fulfillment at any scale. But still within that complex it is important to always take into consideration that regardless of appearances you have then before you a display, a manifestation of consciousness, that is highly needed along the lines of value fulfillment of all those involved, in line with their own sets of convictions or belief systems.
And when we say “all those involved” that includes those who may be thousands of miles away simply watching a newscast, third hand observers, second hand observers, first hand participants and on and on. Because as you may watch a newscast and you come across film or imagery of such conflicts and wars etc., you will pass an observation. You will, in some way or another, find your own fulfillment along with your specific sets of belief systems. So it is of no use for someone to claim that a war or conflict occurring thousands of miles away has nothing to do with them at all, because energetically they still engage a certain amount of participation. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes, I do.
KRIS: This picture that we have just described implies a profound interaction of all the individuals participating in the nurturing, the unfolding, the evolving [and] the growing of a particular cosmos. And you can easily determine by yourself just how much everyone participates in that kind of a scenario even from the brief and incomplete description we have offered. It goes without saying that even someone reading this has an influence in that maintaining and nurturing of said cosmos.
That leads to perhaps a reexamination of what we described last evening, reexamination in the sense of “adding to”, in the sense of the value fulfillment obtained and derived yesterday. Thus the session becomes more than it was yesterday.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And that automatically adds to the picture. What we suggested concerning processes in that the entire unfolding of the life picture of the cosmos is not unlike overlooking the horizon on the lake [overlooking lake Ontario]. For all intents and purposes the lake goes on forever. In that same way, looking towards the horizon of all these processes, the cosmos itself, any cosmos, all cosmos, are also processes; a continuous unfolding of value fulfillment, the life of the cosmos being more than the sum of ALL of the participants. Does that make some sense to you?
MARK: Yes, it does. I’m beginning even to get a great sense of even past wars and things that didn’t even happen in my lifetime and how they play an integral role in, say, my own transformation and unfolding let alone society and the universe.
KRIS: Indeed and there is another way to look at this. Now we have often spoken about past civilizations and ancient cultures in your terms.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And we have described why we do this, many years ago already, but there is even more and this centers around one of our favorite little idioms, that the present interprets the past and weaves the future. Thus even though we have spoken about ancient histories and cultures in terms that you can relate to at that level, the very act of contemplating such ancient worlds, ancient cultures, whether it awakens ancient memories and echoes of worlds long gone in your own awareness, there is something else at play, something quite significant, in that these histories, these ancient civilizations, in their own rights, exist in their own ways, in their own time frames and they, too, are a significant byproduct of the value fulfillment of the present moment tied into the value fulfillment of the cosmos.
Thus, when you hear descriptions from ourselves or others, or when you read in your own history books you may understand that, all facts aside, these ancient histories are presently being created by yourself to enhance yours and [the] cosmos’ value fulfillment.
Thus you generate a majestic unfolding of consciousness. It becomes then the kind of myth making we have always spoken about. Not the kind of myth-making that you would relate to all the granny’s tales, but create an opening in your own consciousness where, even though you do not specifically remember, or are aware of doing this, you project your consciousness in these ancient cultures. You literally generate focuses in such a way that it enhances your explorations of value fulfillment. It enhances the manifestations of the cosmos and its value fulfillment.
Now you did not anticipate that during this walk you would be finding out how a cosmos grows.
MARK: [Chuckling.] No, indeed not. That is something that I picked up last night through the exchange. I’m losing my thought pattern there, but you were just saying you create the focuses. You were saying last night, when you interact with someone, (I think it was last night), that you are sharing their energies. Maybe it was before. But you were saying somebody might be moody and somebody might be happy, the two come together and do exchange those energies and say, “How are you?” “Aw, I’m shitty”, you know you feel shitty for a little bit. Not on their level, but whatever. So I do understand that too, on that level. We’ve had talks before of even fictional stories and how that can be another probable reality.
KRIS: Even some of your films, cinemas, fictional or non-fictional do represent the same process in action. Individuals react to these on two levels or even more levels, simultaneously. And each one will receive the appropriate, contextual assignment. It is part of the process that your species utilizes in order to situate itself, at any given moment, within that expression of time/space that they think they are. Thus certain items will receive a high priority, certain items will receive a low priority and certain items will be completely dismissed even though it exists. It will simply be pushed out of awareness.
[Long pause.] And all of these events that go on in your world, from the most inhumane atrocities to the greatest acts of selflessness and compassion, must fit within your species’ own definition of value fulfillment, because you do define that. It is not some random, haphazard thing that happens to people. And it may not be conscious at all. In fact, it is not conscious at all. But your conscious decisions and your conscious approximations of decisions are also influential in how you organize and live your own value fulfillment.
Value fulfillment itself is also a process. It is not something that is predestined or preordered. It is not something that you come into the world with as if it were a quota and that events and conditions of life must meet certain criteria to fit the quota. It is also open-ended. And though you may appear in the cosmos as one of its participating principles we contend you are not fated.
And for the most part ‘intent’ as it is often described, in many ways and even from many sources, is bound to be distorted. Some claim that if you ask what is your intent and you are told, “to be happy”, you have two choices. You can then define that anything that does not fit your preconceived notions of that intent as of course [is] not you, [is] none of your business. And you can also choose to consider that you have just gotten a “pat answer”. It may fit the uppermost layers of your ego construction, and it may flatter. You may even think that you have just gotten some profound cosmic revelation.
Intent is quite a different bag of hammers altogether, and it has to be in line an unfolding paradigm of value fulfillment. It is not that you make it up “on the fly”. But it is more so that you choose, simultaneously, where or what direction you will aim for, as well as what direction you move away from. Does that make some sense to you?
MARK: Yes, it does.
KRIS: So you have your own preferences, things you like and things you do not like. And they may neither be good nor bad, simply that your preferences dictate to you, and not that you are a puppet of your preferences, simply that you use them to guide your journey towards fulfillment. Does that make sense?
MARK: Yes, it does.
KRIS: [Long pause.] Any comments or observations?
MARK: No, I think it’s a very fascinating topic, a very eye-opening topic. It’s definitely given me a new perspective on the cosmos and my role in it, the choices I make, the unfolding. It’s fascinating.
KRIS: Thus in many ways you are guiding the direction of the ship of your fulfillment. You may have a generalized outline of what ports of call you will go into, whilst also giving yourself the opportunity to visit any other port of call on the way that suits your fancy. As well as when you choose which port of call to go to, you simultaneously make decisions as to which ones you will not visit.
MARK: Yes. That makes sense.
KRIS: And value fulfillment goes well beyond anything that your physical senses present to you.
MARK: I understand that, to a degree anyway.
KRIS: Indeed. Because there are many different venues you will choose not to explore simply because you are manifesting as one individual. You have chosen, then, to make yourself one to experience a certain slice of the value-enhancing qualities of the cosmos. But what about the rest of the cosmos? How do you explore that? And is it even possible within one specific lifetime, a life span that may be seventy-five to eighty-five odd years old?
MARK: That’s a good question.
KRIS: Because you are accustomed to thinking of yourself as one physical being with a finite life span, and also finite abilities, finite possibilities. You create the possibility of exploring the infinite even though you, in the way you think you are and what you are, are exploring a finite set of possibilities.
And you do that through all of the other aspects of your personality and of your self. And do understand that when we say personality it is not limited to the personality with the traits and the characteristics that are tied specifically to your physical expression. We have explained this before. We will easily inter-mingle them because they are valid at both those layers, the unfolding of the infinite personality, as well as the unfolding of the finite personality. And both are part of that process of fulfillment.
Anything else that you would like to comment about?
MARK: No, not off the top of my head.
KRIS: Perhaps if there were anything in the cosmos that was not necessarily part of the fulfillment of the cosmos, would be puppy cakes. (Making a point of avoiding them as we walk).
MARK: [Laughing,] Indeed.
KRIS: You may communicate to the transcriber what that means.
MARK: I will. [Puppy cakes = dog poop someone left on the boardwalk].
KRIS: They are not a new word for cupcakes.
MARK: Definitely not edible.
KRIS: So you think. Other creatures do.
MARK: I know. I’m sure it’s a delicacy to a fly.
KRIS: There is no accounting for taste. Anything else you would like to add?
MARK: No. It’s definitely got me thinking though. You have a knack for that. I do have one small question. Do you know where in this cosmos the two bolts ended up going? (Mark lost two bolts to put together a microwave stand).
KRIS: Indeed not. Then perhaps this [walk] can be disseminated to the individuals in the CMI group because it does pertain to aspects even though the mention of aspects was rather brief. It still pertains.
MARK: Yes, definitely.
KRIS: As well as then added to your upcoming newsletter.
MARK: Okay.
KRIS: Now recently Joseph has communicated to you that we have dropped another package in his consciousness though it is still, pardon the pun, in the process of unfolding.
MARK: The seeds are just starting to pop.
KRIS: We refer to it as “The Psychology of Excellence”. And this, too, may be a future on-line presentation.
MARK: Okay.
KRIS: And it may very well be an offshoot of the material we presented just now.
MARK: Oh, okay.
KRIS: Thus we will return Joseph to you now so that he may enjoy the sights.
MARK: Thank you.
END OF SESSION
Kris Chronicles – A Kris Walk
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Dorothy Franklin
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 04, 2008
Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip),
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable. Do you have any inquiries?
MARK: No.
KRIS: Do you have any thoughts on our little walk featuring the cosmos?
MARK: Yes. I remember the cosmos. I remember it was quite profound, seeding the cosmos, seeding the universe. Once again it was mentioned that the present was the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future. Something quite profound was said that I’m trying to remember and that it tied into the radio show – your own version of reality, your own feeling tones, interactions with others based on feeling tones.
KRIS: The main theme being value fulfillment [and] value fulfillment being more than a simple human drive or curiosity, it being the very drive of consciousness itself. And since you are made of, and are, consciousness in more ways than one, then value fulfillment is that which is so often misinterpreted sometimes as evolution or nature.
You remember the documentary this morning on television?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: They repeatedly made mention of nature. Whilst on the one hand most scientists will categorically deny consciousness as anything but the by-product or result of neurological processes that involve self awareness, limited strictly to ego perception, they will still make constant references to nature designing, building and creating through evolutionary processes until such an end-result as the owl being one of the ultimate predators.
MARK: Yes,
KRIS: There is always a certain degree of contradiction in those kinds of presentations. And the contradictions are in more ways than one an attempt to still reconcile, to bridge or balance that area of experience known as consciousness, which they would deny on the one hand and still speak of it under the guise of nature and evolutionary processes.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: If one listens with the ears to hear, one can pick up and detect those very many things that are always being spoken about that can easily lead one to explore the deeper issues of existence. In the previous walk we even made reference to the cosmos, the universe, or many universes themselves driven by value fulfillment, their own expression of value fulfillment through their form. It is still consciousness expressed through the venue of cosmos or universe. And that has a great many implications all its own. Though in many circles this may not be considered at any level, we are not necessarily concerned with those considerations.
But it may be of great importance to take into account the concept that the universe is not a place that you are plunked into as if somehow or other the stork dropped you off somewhere. We will go further even and express that the individual carefully selects those issues he or she desires to explore and does so in complete accord with the direction of the value fulfillment of a specific universe or cosmos as it would with all of the other individuals simultaneously expressing a desire to explore particular fulfillment of values of their own.
You could say, in many respects, it is not unlike these individuals sitting on the patio expressing themselves, not unlike chickens in a coop. However, if you consider that the restaurant has an established menu, therefore a recognized substance for sustenance, all of these individuals may come from all over the city even to gather in that one location because the menu that is offered by the restaurant suits their purpose.
So they may come from all walks of life and all corners of the city, congregate in that one locations and each one will order different meals though perhaps out of a hundred people so many of the same meal may be ordered. But it may be accompanied by varying side dishes. And it will be eaten in a different order depending on the individual, with different drinks and so on. But still if falls within the paradigm of the offerings upon the menu. Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Yes, it does.
KRIS: So you could then say that individuals come from all corners of the universe to fulfill their own desires but according to the offerings. Now those offerings in the restaurant on the menu appear to have been created by the manager and the chef. They may be completely unawares that the menu may have been, how do we say, influenced by the future desires of all their customers for whatever amount of time the restaurant may be in existence.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: Thus the various cosmos, universes, galaxies, solar systems and suitable planet forms will also have been created, formed if you wish, based upon the constant flow of individualities that will visit the area. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes, I do.
KRIS: So it is a very complex organization. You are not dealing at this moment then with a simple menu and several dozen customers on a daily basis.
MARK: Right. It’s a very big menu.
KRIS: Indeed. Thus the instrument in both cases will also be telepathy. And few people would be conscious of such an effort. In fact, the less the conscious mind participates at that level, the easier it is for the process to unfold. This does not mean that the conscious mind needs to be slapped down whenever it becomes even conscious of an iota of the process. That would be desired. That would occur then on the principles that the conscious mind understands how this process functions and not try to commandeer the ship, as it were, but to cooperate. Does that make sense as well?
MARK: Yes, it does. Let the crew do the crew’s job and let the captain do the captain’s job.
KRIS: Indeed. When a friendly agreement is then established, then you have a process that works very well. Difficulties occur when the captain decides that the captain knows better how to run the ship, even though the captain may have never done anything more that look out the stern.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: There are many, many issues that can be addressed further, and will be addressed further in greater detail as the days and the weeks and the months and the years unfold.
MARK: It’s a very good analogy actually. I can see how restaurants from time to time add things or subtract things from the menu.
KRIS: Indeed, according to customer’s desires.
MARK: And that can be related to our different historical periods with different experiences, different “tastes” that we go through.
KRIS: Then though this is a short discussion, we will return Joseph to you. At least it prepares the way for more.
MARK: Yes, it does and it also helps the previous discussion a little bit. It brings clarity.
END OF SESSION
