Kris Radio: Sympathetic Resonances – Part 2

June 26, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Emmy van Swaaij (Atin Khum) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 26, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio, here on That Radio and That Channel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Yes Mark, thank you very much. We’re enjoying a really warm summer day here in Toronto and we are enjoying our friend, what’s your name again? Serge…

SERGE: Thank you for reminding me. It’s so warm. I was just telling, I forget John or you or whatever, you know God shuffled his feet. I wonder what that household sounded like when God was a kid, you know, maybe miss. God: “God! How many times have I told you! Don’t shuffle your feet!” You know, “you got to go to your room!”

JOHN: Off course God’s room is the whole universe.

SERGE: Well try and find me mom!

MARK: Stop kicking those stars around!

MARK: Well welcome back to another Thursday evening here on That Radio and so what’s your week been like John?

JOHN: I’ve had a really interesting week actually. I learned an awful lot. I actually wrote a couple of pieces about what I’m, something called formative action, which is basically an invention of mine, but it’s a powerful interesting concept and we may get to talk about that another time. I had a nice visit from my brother yesterday, we went out to dinner but you’re probable not interested in those little details. I’ve heard somebody snorting it sounded like Alan. Alan, are you online?

SERGE: Oh Matt’s there too!

JOHN: Oh Matt!

MARK: Hello, Cave Creek!

MATT: We’re here but we’re not snorting. Can you hear us?

MARK: Yes we can, how are you guys? Can you hear us?

MATT: We’re doing great how are you guys doing?

SERGE: We’re doing great how are you guys doing?

MATT: Yeah, we can hear you fine.

JOHN: Oh good, are you guys down in Arizona again? [Long silence]
Golly it sounds as if there is a time lap there.

MATT: We are in Arizona, yes, finally.

JOHN: Good.

MARK: Well the delay is really noticeable.

JOHN: Is it warm down there, I mean it is a desert isn’t it?

MATT: 115 or so, 110.

JOHN: Holy toot!

SERGE: Wow.

MARK: Ouch!

SERGE: So this is what, your first summer there in quite a while?

MATT/NICOLE: Ever!

MARK: Yeah it is their first summer there ever! So I take it you are not in the hot tub?

SERGE: No, should be a cool tub now!

NICOLE: You know what the hot tub is great. You make it a cool tub and it is just fabulous. Probably next week we will be sitting out there while we do the show here.

MARK: Wow.

SERGE: Cool.

MARK: Sweet.

SERGE: With buckets of ice cubes in the tub.

MATT: We are taking Kris’s advice and we are re-tiring. We don’t have any more tires left! In fact Delany, you know her new boyfriend actually works at a tire store.

MARK: That’s handy!

MATT: Sells tires.

SERGE: Keep him in the family.

MATT: Yeah, so we are …

MARK: Hope he gives you family discounts!

MATT: Yep! I know it. We all got new tires now we don’t even need him I don’t think – hopefully.

SERGE: Now you don’t have to travel anymore!

MATT: Yeah, well we are looking forward to being at home; it really is not as bad as I thought it was. This is the first time I have a cold and this is the first time I’ve been sick in years and I had to go all the way back to Arizona in the summertime to catch a cold.

SERGE: You should have had your fill in Calgary.

MARK: There’s irony in there somewhere.

MATT: I know isn’t that… well the energy here in Arizona has remained – it still just feels wonderful.

MARK: Sweet, that’s good to hear.

MATT: The whole property here.

MARK: Well, we’re looking forward to coming back in March.

MATT: Yeah it’s wonderful thank you! Yeah that’s great you know what? It’s just, we thank everybody that was here and that helped to add to this energy it’s just this place, it just feels different it feels magical.

MARK: It’s good to hear.

SERGE: And how are all the Aloe Vera plants taking on the sides of the gully there?

MATT: Ah some of them are doing good. Some aren’t doing so good, but a bunch of them are doing well. We probably have to run a little bit more water to them, but we’ll get them living for you Serge, and the cardinal is still around too.

MARK: Hey he is supposed to be up here by now.

SERGE: Oh he sent a relative up.

MATT: That’s what I thought but apparently he likes it here.

MARK: Ah, he didn’t get the email.

MATT: All Right.

SERGE: It costs too much to fly now, so he just decided to stay down there.

MARK: Well we have some upcoming events.

MATT: Well it’s good to be…

MARK: New Jersey, Serge, Kris and I will be in New Jersey for a two day workshop “Hunting for your dreams”, September 6th and 7th. The location is the home wood suites Hilton Hotel in Edgewater New Jersey and the cost of that workshop is 200 dollars per person if you book before August 10th after that the prize goes up to 250. All the details are available at Kris Chronicles.com and hit that workshop button at the top on the title bar.

SERGE: I think so far there’s maybe five, five or six people.

MARK: Five or six.

SERGE: That have signed up, which is nice to see.

JOHN: Well I guess we may as well start picking up the threads of what Kris has been talking about.

MATT: You know…

JOHN: Go ahead Matt…Boy there’s a funny delay there.

SERGE: Yeah.

MATT: You know, being a seminar promoter for fourteen years, you know you guys, to do a two-day workshop with the kind of material that’s covered for 200 or 250 dollars that’s gotta to be like the seminar bargain of the century.

JOHN: Well that’s per hour – you knew that? (Laughter)

MARK: So last week we had some interesting discussions.

JOHN: Yes, it was kind of a Q and A and we had some interesting stuff there about psychic energies here and there.

MARK: How to find your local vortices.

JOHN: Vortices yes, and there was also a kind of an interesting question about the whole issue of suicide which is on the one hand can be one of a downer but I think Kris handled it very well and offered the gentleman…did the guy follow up on that?

MARK/SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: Oh good, but the piece that I found especially fascinating was last Sunday’s session. That one for me was a breakthrough in several different areas. He’s getting into some very, very fun stuff.

MARK: I like that we go back and are revisiting sound.

JOHN: Yeah, do you remember soundlets?

MARK: Soundlets, that was a really nice little series. And how sound plays a major role in the creation of the universe. I found that to be quite profound.

JOHN: Yes and Kris suggested that one of the ways for us to use our inner senses is to tune in to sounds that we cannot hear with our physical ears. For instance you might start out by hearing your heart or your breath going in and out, but then you can go in and start saying: “Well I like to hear the sound of my neurons firing in my brain”, and even though that doesn’t make sense physically there is a kind of sound that comes from that and we can tune into that and gain an understanding.

SERGE: There’s none in mine, so I don’t think I have a brain. (Laughter)

JOHN: I get a kind of a snap crackle pop sound but that may just be the cereal I’m eating.

SERGE: I was just going to say beforehand, what the heck did he talk about last Sunday? I don’t remember anything.

JOHN: This last Sunday?

SERGE: Yeah but you mention the sound thing.

MARK: Well that was Sunday. The prior radio show we talked about vortices, vortexes, and storms – psychic energy and firestorms / rainstorms.

SERGE: So I guess the last couple of sessions he’s upping the ante again.

JOHN: I think so yeah and off course it’s you know… honestly sometimes I find it hard to distinguish between CMI and the regular stuff.

MARK: No kidding.

JOHN: Because there is no… it flows over right? Anyway it’s – we’re into some very interesting stuff here.

MARK: Silence of the lambs here, dead air. Oh no! We could talk about crumpets!

JOHN: We can always say interesting things, what did we get, we’ve had some interesting things on the discussion forum. As a matter of fact the discussion forum is turning in to quite a lively… there’s half a dozen topics there that are you know kind of intriguing.

MARK: People are really exploring the material.

JOHN: on dreams…

MARK: I think that is so incredible! To see people just jumping right in, and doing the meditations, doing the practices, getting results and sharing them and discussing them and…

JOHN: And I noticed during the last, this is CMI frankly, but it is universally applicable, and that is that Kris has suggested that when people try some of the techniques that he offers that they… they notice the influence, the effect that that has on them and then they share that on the forums with other people. And he’s mentioned that a couple of times and the feeling I get is that the sharing gives you a new kind of information that you can’t get from just doing the practice alone.

MARK: Absolutely, absolutely, it allows you different perspectives on the same thing. One person can’t possibly experience it all, but it’s a way of coming at it from different sides different angles and focusing on it.
Here we go.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and seeing as you are struggling to fill in dead air – it be high time for an entrance.

JOHN: You are most welcome.

KRIS: Today we would like to approach something of interest to everyone – apart from sex. And this also requires some noticing on your part, some introspection and it is a subject matter that will definitely resonate with everyone.

Notice for instance how so many individuals are on the lookout, literally have their radars set to detect and perhaps even lead battle with any kind of event or situation or circumstance that might – the operative word is “might” – lead to some kind of trauma. In fact many have claimed that this whole idea of the shift of consciousness is about dealing with trauma. Is that correct?

JOHN: Oh yes, some of the dead guys, their stated goal is to help us to avoid said trauma.

KRIS: Indeed. On the one hand this is an honorable intent indeed and on the other hand what would it lead as an experience or as an experiment. If the presentation is to avoid or minimize, trauma what are you concentrating on?

MARK: Trauma.

JOHN: It’s hard to avoid that one, yes.

KRIS: Indeed, it is also possible that many people’s mindsets are already programmed in such a fashion that immediate defenses are thrown up in the face of any event or condition or circumstance that smacks of trauma. As if the slightest hint, the merest hint of a trauma on the horizon already your incredible arsenal of defenses are brought into action. Perhaps even in a pre-emptive strike fashion to avoid possible trauma by causing trauma first of all. Does that not make sense?

JOHN: Sounds like a president I know.

KRIS: Of that we know nothing. (Laughter) However the actions and the behavior lead to the indication of very interesting belief structures, because if the behavior is such that you are on the lookout to avoid any kind of trauma, that is first of all what you may encounter and secondly the general consensus is that various even innocuous traumas, may indeed scar the individual deeply as if somehow or the other the slightest disturbance in the force will cause irreparable damage if not corrected instantly.

JOHN: Right eternal vigilance…

KRIS: Indeed and that also creates its own set of problems. Very few people on the other hand ever consider that you can be as diligent, as detailed, and observant of events conditions and circumstances, which reflect any kind of overtones of joy and happiness, of peace and serenity. Some claim that if you pay very little head to trauma it will become joy. Perhaps you can explain that to, someone who has just been injured by a vehicle. It will counter their experience 100 percent and it will shut you out knowing that you do not know what you speak about.

Our point is that it is as possible for all individuals to also seek out and rejoice in any event, circumstance, or condition that enables you to reflect the joyous nature of your being. These too influence you, but very few people pay heed to that. You worry that if the child is yelled at he or she will be traumatized scarred and marked into psychological deficiencies for the rest of their long live. You pay no heed whatsoever to simple moments of joy that also influence and can be carried with the individual for their life long. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: Where is the research in that?

JOHN: None, it’s the same… there’s no medical research into health for instance.

KRIS: Indeed, it is not profitable.

JOHN: So just to paraphrase: You’re saying that we need to keep a sharp eye out and we got to keep our guard up in case we’re overcome by joy and happiness.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: (laughs)

KRIS: And more specifically to allow more of the same.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: We spoke last Sunday and at last CMI as well about sympathetic resonances. It is utilized more specifically as a term within, we believe, astronomy.

KRIS: But it can also apply in a very powerful way to human experience and if you care to you may utilize this computer here; do a Google on sympathetic resonance. Feel free to do so.

[Hugh mentions to John that the keyboard and mouse are wireless so he is free to move them over to where he is sitting.]

JOHN: Alright.

KRIS: We are certain that Hugh will not mind. Now if you can “warless” connection that would also be excellent.

[They are managing the Internet connection.]

The reason we bring it up is or will be very evident when you understand the definition of sympathetic resonance.

MARK: [Reading] Sympathetic resonance is a harmonic phenomenon where in a formally passive…. you changed the window on me.

JOHN: Sorry.

MARK: Where in a formally passive string or vibratory body response to external vibrations to which it has a harmonic likeness.

KRIS: Indeed, now what would that imply?

JOHN: Well it goes on to say that you’ve got two tuning forks and they both are tuned to the same note and you bang one of them and the other one is nearby, it will start vibrating in that same way.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we have spoken of this subject in other terms on many occasions even with heal the heart workshop, how the heartbeats of everyone in the room will begin to resonate, how even with such simple processes as involving your connective tissue, you create sympathetic resonances that other bodies in the room will also begin to resonate in likeness.

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: Which also means that the other bodies in the room will influence you to resonate in the same manner. That also implies that sympathetic resonances are a collective endeavor. Influences are being shared on all levels – that includes such things as planetary or celestial bodies. That includes human beings, human thought patterns, unconscious thought patterns as well as events, conditions circumstances and what you call things, the props of physical reality. The official line of consciousness is the result of sympathetic resonances.

JOHN: ah…

KRIS: You resonate in a certain manner and the rest of creation reflects that resonance. Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, for me it’s a little bit deeper understanding of what’s been called the law of attraction.

KRIS: Indeed. That particular supposition including many limited vocabularies that center around the use of the word vibration. That everything vibrates and has a vibration, in a certain way though well intentioned also is rather in need of expansion. And in particular this, what we have presented, can only draw to you more of the same. Thus if you are out seeking protection and diminishment, if we can use that word, of traumas associated with the shift then you are thereby doing what?

JOHN: Resonating with those very traumas.

KRIS: Indeed creating more of the same.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: You may, in theory and in practice, consider many, many different individuals who have been through and have even been in the middle of war zones, where everything around them is being reduced to dust and they will still walk through it not only unfazed physically, but unfazed psychologically.

JOHN: Ah…

KRIS: Because their attention or focus is not on the potentials for trauma but the potential to interpret and extricate all of their constructive elements possible from the experience. Does that make some sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Thus what would this lead you to surmise?

JOHN: That it is very, that learning how to control our resonance the…. what we are sympathetically resonating in tune with is a very useful skill.

KRIS: Indeed. Now this does not necessarily imply in any way shape or form that from this point on life is but a bed of rose petals. Such an implication would indeed be a distortion. Life is often what it is, but whatever it is you can still be able to define for yourself what you want to experience as a resonance. It too is a matter of choice. If you can choose to seek out and minimize any kind of traumas then you can consider the flipside.

JOHN: Seek out and maximize any kind of fulfillment.

KRIS: Indeed, thus in some way another expansion on the idea that it is entirely possible and within your capabilities to reduce all the mountains you have created and to increase the mole hills. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Sympathetically off course.

MARK: It is a matter of looking for payoffs.

KRIS: Even more than that, the experience itself leads into a state of mind where your true human potential has now the opportunity to begin displaying itself. Where you can not only feel but be safe and secure in whom and what you are and in that way be able to tap into the greater potential that is your own fulfillment.

MARK: So would it be safe to say that it would be good to look at these so called traumas as challenges to overcome, to express our creativity and the power of our being?

KRIS: In a simplistic manner, indeed and build upon that. And this does not deny that there are many events and conditions in your world that at the onset are traumatizing.

MARK: Can you repeat that?

KRIS: There are many situation and conditions in your world, as you know it that are traumatizing.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: You have the events of the Philippines recently you have the events in Myanmar you have the events in China. You have the floods along the Mississippi and Katrina and so many others and initially, yes the hardships can indeed be heart rendering. If you do examine however some of the underlying outcomes, there are definitely certain challenges that transform the lives of human beings in such a way that they tap into potential they did not know that they possessed. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes, sure. So if I may just ask a question, in a way, let’s say someone is walking through a war zone in the example you gave, the way for them to get into sympathetic resonance with the qualities that are fulfilling for them is it to see the big picture and say, Okay these people are being challenged and ultimately it is going to be a good thing, or is it to see the little picture, and say ok I’m having a cup of tea, the sun is shining, I feel good, I’m smiling at a person – you know what I’m trying to say?

KRIS: Now we are not suggesting that one wear blinders to the situation either. Someone in a war zone may indeed do as others, seek shelter, assist others and in that they understand that the compassion that the expression of caring and nurturing others is extremely fulfilling. And they also understand that the situation eventually will come to pass even if it is decades away. That the span of the human experience does not define in any way shape or form the human being at all, that the human being in his or her experience actually is more than the sum of all of the parts of human experiences.

Now there is indeed a rich and sustaining perception that can be tapped into. You may indeed experiment on your own with developing a kind of mindset that eventually becomes an automatic program. Establishing for yourselves inner routines of perception, knowing that even if you do encounter situations that are extremely challenging, that you are first of all quite up to the task and furthermore the opportunity to share such experiences with others can indeed be not only life enriching, but uplifting. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it does. So I like what you are saying is little routines, perceptive routines I’m calling them, that may not be quite your terms, but where we regularly take ourselves through these processes and say: Ok, yes we are looking at the outer picture now, we are looking at what is one layer under that now, we are looking at the fulfillment of everybody involved which is understood so that when a stressful situation comes along we can automatically go into that routine and that pattern and see those other layers.

KRIS: Indeed, now all of you come fully equipped with incredible tools and talents, resources you rarely get to experiment with and utilize. And very often you do create small and large scale challenges and even traumatizing situations in order to bring those talents, resources to the surface. But if you and when you become aware of these resources do you thus need to create trauma?

JOHN: Not anymore.

KRIS: Correct. You can even begin to experience the depth and the richness of your experiences. Your subconscious mind is a veritable storehouse, a rich bank of knowledge that goes well beyond the experiences of this one singular lifetime. And you may even notice yourselves periodically knowing things you did not know that you knew.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: And this may be a small clue that can assist you to define that indeed, you are more than the sum of all of your parts, more than the sum of all of your experiences, more than the sum of all of your knowledge and wisdom.

By understanding this process and knowing that it is available to you at all times, even simply suggesting that you have the ability to tap into this now, can begin to turn that tide if you wish, can begin to set a new mind experience, to create that new mindset in such a way that when a situation makes itself known, you have the appropriate measures and knowledge to deal with it. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And we know that in this very moment and whatever other moment you happen to be listening to this recording, your conscious and subconscious mind is listening and it indeed can resonate with that information. Thus even in this moment we are creating an example of sympathetic resonance and as such you can capitalize on that kind of an experience and bring it to the forefront of your experience – living practical experience.

Know that it is always there and available to you and when that knowledge surfaces you will happily give it way so that it is expressed, so that your life can then be enriched. You know this already, you may seek the secrets of the universe, you may seek secret teachings and yet you know within yourselves that those secrets and those teachings are reflected through who and what you are. Now we believe that you can also enjoy a small break at this moment.

MARK: Ok.

JOHN: That resonates very sympathetically with me!

(Break music: Blues Image: Ride Captain Ride)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on That Radio and That Channel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John and Serge and Matt and Nicole through the Skype. We’ve been talking about sympathetic resonance.

JOHN: Yes, I like the idea of sympathetic resonance.

MARK: Pretty cool.

JOHN: You know I once heard about, I think this is sympathetic resonance. You know you are a marching soldier guy and you’re marching along and you come to a bridge. Everybody knows if you’re in the army that you have to break step over a bridge. If you don’t, if you keep going, hundreds of guys all stepping, one, two, three, you’ll literally shake that bridge of its foundation.

MARK: Oh wow!

JOHN: So it creates tremendous power.

SERGE: The early on his career Nikola Tesla created a, I’m not sure what is was called now, but it’s like a hammer and it just banged all the time in one spot on a pillar in his basement, a support beam.

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: But after a while he had to stop because people were feeling it miles away from his home.

JOHN: (Laughs) Yeah, it was banging at the right frequency to set up a resonance.

MARK: One thing that comes to my mind, I’m not sure if I can put this into words so… is the threads through all of our different past, future and present lives. We’ve talked about them before … through feeling tones sometimes. I remember one discussion where you had opened your book and Kris had said you open a book in this lifetime and there’s all these other past lives that are threaded through that opening of the book.

JOHN: Right, or resonating with that, yes.

MARK: Resonating, and if you get into the sympathetic resonances on how all those past life or moments in the different lifetimes are threaded together on feelings and emotions.

JOHN: So that is in a way what life threads are.

MARK: Exactly.

JOHN: Is sympathetic resonance across time.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes, I’m having a nice graphic coming to my head here.

MARK: Maybe we are even getting close to the string theory.

JOHN: (Laughs) But what I like is the double meaning, the double entendre of the word sympathetic. Cause sympathetic resonance, I mean the word sympathetic just means like of a similar kind but sympathetic implies a kind of compassionate feeling as well.

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: And further to that is, oh I like the idea of the two tuning forks.

MARK: Oh you know what I’m reminded of actually when you brought that up is heart tissue. Now as we know a heart beats, if doctors take a piece of heart tissue of the heart and put it into a Petri dish it will also beat just a piece of tissue. Now if you take a second piece of tissue and have it in a second Petri dish it will beat differently but when you put the two in the same tray and they will beat simultaneously.

JOHN: That’s spooky. So not only are they into beating, but they are into beating together.

MARK: Together!

SERGE: Talk about togetherness.

JOHN: Well that’s a nice story.

MARK: Here we go.

KRIS: Now do you have any inquiries on that particular subject matter whether yourselves or Skypelanders?

MARK: Matt, any questions in Skypeland?

MATT: Can you say maybe, a little unrelated?

MARK: Go ahead.

MATT: Tom Sherlock asked what if trauma were not… can you hear me ok?

MARK/JOHN: Yeah.

MATT: Tom Sherlock said that if trauma were not necessarily a negative experience what if we were able to chose between experiencing trauma positively or negatively.

KRIS: We believe that this is what we have been addressing. That you can literally decide or choose what you will take from any experience and the more your mindset becomes accustomed to these patterns the more you move into an area where your experiences are fulfilling without the necessity to bring up different traumas per se.

JOHN: Well that’s a happy thought.

KRIS: Do keep in mind that your traumas are – in a manner of speaking – are manmade and self created. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes I do, would it be fair to say, that I think probably it depends on the trauma is in the eye of the beholder, but is it fair to say that… we prompted ourselves. Let’s say this, we prompted ourselves to access our unused resources in soft and gentle ways in the beginning and when, it’s only when we ignore these soft and gentle nudges and hints and little seductive ideas that they get to be louder and stronger and eventually we boot ourselves in the bum with something we can’t ignore.

KRIS: You very often are masters of how would we call it butt booting.

JOHN: But the trick would be to become masters at listening to the more subtle messages and being willing to launch into new areas of ourselves without the necessity of creating trauma to force it.

KRIS: Indeed, a very good observation and important to understand as well that for all intents and purposes you can move into a different kind of living experience without trauma, it is not a prerequisite. Thus often the idea of the trauma of the shift can just as easily be self-made. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: It absolutely does, I’m quite familiar with that. I think to be fair to some of the people who are attempting to avoid trauma as negative and you know contradictory as that may seem, that the vast majority of human beings, certainly in western civilization, are pretty probably going to create some trauma unless they get some better direction than they’ve been getting.

KRIS: Now do keep in mind as well that those who are in a position of governance, regardless of the country and the political system, these also reflect a variety of belief systems held on to.

JOHN: By the populace.

KRIS: Not just that localized populace, but by the whole world.

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: Thus you may have various parts of the world that are influenced by dictatorships and other parts of the world that are influenced by the facsimile of democracy.

JOHN: Facsimile you say.

KRIS: Some are more directly honestly influenced by bureaucracy and others still by the needs and intents of corporate businesses.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: These all reflect various kinds of belief structures, regardless of where in the world they are manifested. The whole world is about the individual and the individual is not experiencing the kind of beliefs he or she thinks he or she holds consciously.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: You may all like to think that you are all free of any kind of conflict but your lives or often your behaviors reflect something different. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh absolutely and it really irritates me when you say that, although I’m basically a peaceful guy. (Laughter)

KIRS: Indeed.

MATT: I have, I have a question…

MARK: Go ahead.

MATT: If two people, it seems if in society some people thrive on, you know, over dramatizing traumatic experiences and if people are going through an experience and one person, you know, takes that experiences and dramatizes it, you know, makes it a big, this big thing, the other person is just resonating in a calm manner, can you… can you let that person know you, you know you are not sympathizing with that and I mean just so many people as they look at the trauma and the drama in the frequency vibrations in their life and they give it…it is almost like part of their identity you know. It’s like I don’t know, some people’s lives may just get bored and they create this drama and trauma just for excitement in their life. How can you not, how can you prevent for getting caught up in all of that?

KRIS: If you do encounter such an individual you may simply make a decision at this point since most human beings would care that others see them as caring and loving people, you can choose whether you will still put up with that kind of behavior, and suffer the consequences of zipping your lips whilst all you want to do is running away screaming from the place and be indeed most uncomfortable for the rest of the day angry and upset that you did not speak your mind instead chose to agree with the other because you did not want to upset the other, but yourself walk away most definitely upset. (Note: This was spoken very quickly) The choice is yours or you can also say: “My dear fellow or my dear friend or my dear whatever, today I certainly appreciate your situation. I also know that it is entirely possible that life has a much greater perspective and perhaps one day you might be able to agree, but for the moment I know that you are caught up in your situation thus I thank you and will be on my way.”

MARK: If I can add something…

KRIS: Or something to that effect.

MARK: If I can just add to that. You can acknowledge the person. You can say ok, this is your beliefs. This is what’s right for you, but it’s not for me. I accept you for whom and what you are. I acknowledge that those are yours and not mine and go about your own business.

KRIS: Indeed do keep in mind that most people seek to influence other people with their point of view. That is basic human nature, you choose how you want to be influenced, but you in return do not necessarily have to strike back with trying to influence the other. You can simply choose to bless them and continue on your way. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Yes it certainly does.

MARK: Well that’s our time.

MATT: It does to me.

MARK: Ok, we need to wrap it up.

KRIS: Indeed then, may all of your days be blessed and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you!

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Thanks Matt and Nicole!

MATT: Thanks Kris.

MARK: We’ll talk to you soon.

MATT: Thanks again guys, it’s great to be back!

JOHN: Yeah nice to hear ya!

MATT: Thanks everyone!

MARK: Stay tuned for the heroic journey of the soul here on that radio.com – Goodnight!

(End.)

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June 22, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, June 22, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Theresa (Ramanuja), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Brian (El-Don), Lisa (Lauramar), Tom (Desiré), Barbara, and Alan (Regoronn)

[ELLEN'S NOTE: Prior to Kris' appearance we were discussing music and sound in general. Brian mentioned the special acoustics in the labyrinth that my friend Ann and I and several others helped build in an old stone reservoir by the Delaware Art Museum, how in the exact center there is a resonance that lends itself wonderfully well to meditative chanting and harmonics. I told how my friend Jen once brought a flute with her and we had fun experimenting with its sound in different areas all around the interior of the labyrinth, how the stone walls themselves seem to carry sounds to different parts of the interior space. For example, if two people are standing on opposites sides within the labyrinth's circular space and one speaks, even softly, the other can hear it quite audibly as if he or she were standing right next to them.

This led to a recounting of the Sumari song session I had a few days earlier with Emmy and Yosef in which, to my own astonishment, I found myself translating the song into English. Afterwards, when I read the words out to Yosef, he verified that I had captured exactly what he had been attempting to convey through the seemingly incomprehensible Sumari language. "I suddenly realized that THIS was how Jane Roberts had translated Sumari," I said. "It was simply a matter of allowing the images to unfold and then describing what I saw in my mind's eye."

Mark and Serge then spoke of their experience earlier in the day watching a fleet of tall ships on the lake and then listening to a group of Native Americans throat singing. While listening, Serge described a sensation in his own larynx in which he felt it opening up and the feeling of chills or goose bumps running through his throat, a sensation he'd never experienced before. I said that it sounded like an Unhruh experience, the inner Self, signaling a communication through the connective tissues of the body. Alan took note that Serge's cough seemed to have disappeared, suggesting that he may have even experienced some healing from the event.]

(Kris appears at 7:53 PM)

KRIS: Now, we trust that you are all comfortable and again we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed, know that the experiences that form your reality come from the strengths of your convictions. Now, your discussion is quite interesting, as what you call sound plays an important role in the construction of your experiences, which form your reality. And though you may follow a great variety of New Age and conscious creation gurus who lay out elaborate plans and prospects and outlines and processes and so on and so forth, very little is actually understood about the mechanisms involved.

As such, it could easily be said that you are still in the infancy stages of your understanding in this matter. And this is not to knock anyone down a peg or two because of very often the lack of understanding the mechanics, the dynamics and the science behind the formation of your experiences. And it is our sincerest hope that over the following years to come, those at the very forefront of what you call quantum physics and quantum sciences may indeed be able to up the ante, be able to open doors of knowledge and move away from much of the pat answers that are provided now or often the simplistic tomes that simply repeat the same thing over and over again without necessarily being able to bring anything significantly new and challenging to the table.

If you notice much of the materials offered in this line, everyone tries to stay within the boundaries that are presently being discussed and very few make any concerted attempts to push that envelope, to step outside the box, so to speak. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Oh, absolutely.

KRIS: And one significant area of exploration can be what you call and interpret as sound. Many simply refer to it as “vibrations,” as many also keep using the word “energy”; and we ourselves use it though we do try to minimize our use of that word simply because it may mean something different to everyone. In that light, you may indeed understand that everything around you has a very particular range of tonalities. That is perhaps why many simply refer to it under the umbrella of vibration, because yes, on the one hand, everything does vibrate and after you have heard the word “vibration” several thousand dozens of times, your eyes may simply glaze over and it no longer means anything significant.

The ancient Greeks had attempted to map out an entire system of celestial harmonies or harmonics, celestial sounds. They had already detected that the celestial bodies — different planets, including the Earth — created a specific sympathetic resonance and sound. And for many individuals certain sounds seem difficult to understand because the notion of sound when they do not hear a sound may not mean very much, but if you understand that the human range of hearing is significantly less than that of many animals on your planet, you may begin to understand that with your eardrums you can only translate specific resonances into something that you can recognize, that the brain recognizes. However, dogs, cats and many other creatures hear sounds and respond to tones far above and far below the ranges that you are able to interpret. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Scientific researchers are just now coming to the conclusion that the old wives’ tales or superstitions about animals responding to earthquakes for instance, has a ring of truth to it, simply because their range of response to resonances is far greater than the human ear. Thus, even though you may not hear a sound, does it necessarily mean that the sound does not exist? If you are in the forest and a tree falls, does it make a sound? You may not hear the sound produced by a silent dog whistle. Does it mean that this type of whistle is either busted or simple nonsense?

ELLEN: ‘Til you see the dog prick up his ears.

KRIS: Indeed, there are many things that the human senses do not detect that other creatures can detect such as ultraviolet rays and ranges of colors. You may not detect any scent from certain flowers, but does it mean that the flower does not give up any scent at all? As for sound, you do not have to limit yourselves only to what your eardrum can interpret for you, because again, its range is rather limited. You, at this very moment, are unable to hear the pounding of your heart and the rush of blood through your veins, yet if a microphone were inserted into one of your blood vessels, especially near your heart, the sound itself quite likely might momentarily deafen you. You do not detect the specific tones given off by trees, though when the wind rustles through the leaves and branches, you hear that, but otherwise you do not detect the tone of trees. But there are other means by which you can detect specific kinds of sounds and some of these you interpret as feelings. Now we have suggested not that long ago that feelings are also an intricate aspect of your reality construction processes. Do you recall that?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: If your physical hearing mechanism was as attuned as your inner senses, you would hear perhaps far too many tones in order to make heads or tails of your experiences. But there are other ways to hear certain tones. You can, through certain practices akin to self-induced trance or self-hypnosis states, thoroughly find your concentration in such a manner that even outside sounds can be tuned out to such a degree that you can detect the sounds from within someone else’s body, and we are not speaking about digestive sounds or sounds related to digestive processes.

And perhaps this small exercise may illustrate what we are speaking about. All it requires is that you make yourselves comfortable. Now many of you, if not all of you, are quite familiar with pictures and films of deer, so you may create in your mind’s eye an image, perhaps from memory if you have at some point in your experience encountered a deer not far from you. And as you concentrate on that picture or image or memory, even if it is only that you have seen a deer on screen or television, as you continue to deepen your concentration just on that imagery, the only other sound being our voice, everything else is concentrated on the image of the deer, observing its form… its movements, perhaps its little tail switching back and forth as it grazes on grasses….

And as you continue to concentrate on that image, you may even zoom in on certain aspects of its form, perhaps its fur, its legs, antlers or eyes as if you are able to zoom in in a close-up shot, seeing particular details not so visible beforehand…. and you might even be able to enhance that concentration in such a manner that you can begin to hear the deer as it breathes, as its lungs expand when it inhales and its lungs constrict as it exhales…. And as your concentration deepens and sharpens, you may even begin to detect other kinds of sounds such as the blood coursing through its veins, its heart beating, perhaps even the sounds of its muscles twitching as it seeks to remove a fly from its back.

And you might even be able to zoom in more, being able to detect the sound of the neurons firing in its nervous system and its brain simply by opening your awareness deeper and deeper…. And opening your awareness deeper still, you may notice that somehow your own consciousness merges with that of the deer so that your awareness is integrated with the creature, so that you feel what it feels, you hear what it hears, you hear what it does not hear…. Perhaps you even see what it sees, feeling yourself to be a part of the forest, just like it is.

And stay with the connection even when the deer is spooked by the sound of a twig snapping in the forest nearby and it decides to take off, its mighty chest pulling in air, its hooves slamming into the ground, its muscles stretching, its heart pounding as it removes itself as far away as possible from the nearness of whatever caused the sound. Feel the power in that animal. Feel the strength of its muscles stretching, enabling it to bound away in only a few steps, the rush of air in its lungs, the blood rushing like a mighty river through its blood vessels, until it feels safe enough to begin to rest once again.

Its heart rate returning to normal, that sense of exhilaration part of your experience. And in a moment we shall count from five to one. At one, you will completely leave behind the experience, but retain it in your memory, in your awareness. Take a deep breath to invigorate your body. Five, four, become aware of your surroundings, wiggle fingers and toes, three, two, and one. Open your eyes. Be fully conscious and awake in your environment…. You are all back?

(Yes)

And you all enjoyed feeling very deer-like? Be glad it is not hunting season! Would anyone care to provide a comment or observation on their experience?

BRIAN: Yeah, I could see out of the deer’s eyes as it ran through the forest until it relaxed itself and I could feel the pounding of the hooves on the ground underneath as it ran. Really cool, merging like that.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else care to share?

ALAN: I have a lot of deer around where I live, Kris, and this one particularly hit home. I don’t know when I’ve ever gotten inside of something as much as I did right then.

THERESA: We also have deer. They come right in our backyard, even sometimes right up to the house almost every day, so it was quite easy for me to really get into that as well and I could hear the deer eating and munching and I could hear a lot of it. I couldn’t hear the blood moving through the veins or the heart beating, but I could hear everything else and feel everything else. That was just really, really an interesting experience.

KRIS: Indeed, and we are certain that you are grateful that your diet is not like the deer’s!

THERESA: (Chuckling) That’s right.

KRIS: Now, even though we deliberately strayed away somewhat from the main subject of sound, this still gives you an inkling of the potential of your consciousness as it taps into its innate ability. Nay, even more than that, its innate state, literally of oneness with your environment, since said environment is an extension of or projection of your own material energies. And this may even give you an inkling that it IS possible to hear, to detect sounds that normally would not be available within the human range. Many sounds are not available within the human range simply because you are focused on the human range of sounds, but if you do not, and utilized in part your consciousness and inner senses, then the range of your experiences far outstrips any limitations thereof. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: And in just the same way that your consciousness in one way or another incorporated itself within the deer as best as you could, so can you concentrate in that kind of a trance and detect sympathetic resonances that you call sounds in many things that are not supposed to have sound because it would imply in some respects that so-called things, inanimate objects or other life forms, may have consciousness and your sciences are not yet ready to embrace that concept as fully as you are. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Mmhm.

ELLEN: There’s something here about sound and emotional tone, feeling-tone.

KRIS: Correct. That is the next step. Because we have suggested a few minutes ago that your feelings also generate certain kinds of sounds, sympathetic resonances themselves, which in part make them so useful in the formation of your experience of your reality, but they too are a kind of sound and you interpret them as a feeling-tone.

ELLEN: Yes, this was very evident in the Sumari song. I was very nicely keyed in… It absolutely was a communication. I absolutely did pick up exactly on what Yosef was conveying with words that made no sense to my ears.

KRIS: The words themselves, the utterances, also do not make sense to the rational, logical conscious mind, so it is instantly, instantly thrown into a kind of an altered state and that portion of your experience that actually understands those sympathetic resonances comes to the forefront. It is non-logical, but it does not mean that it is ILLOGICAL. In fact, it has a greater kind of logic well beyond the paradigms of your human ideas about logic and intellect.

ELLEN: And there’s something akin to that in the experience you just led us through.

KRIS: Correct.

ELLEN: Because being inside the deer, so to speak, was not only sensate, it was a… there was a great emotional… uh, resonance, I guess.

KRIS: Because in part, the act of creating in your mind’s eye the image of the deer involves certain aspects of the energy ranges related to those sympathetic resonances, those sounds.

ELLEN: Mmhm.

KRIS: The image itself is made up of energy, but that energy is living just as if you were to physically see a deer cross the road. It too, is made of living substance. Its own range of sounds, as it were, giving it its form and its experiences. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: I think so. It’s very difficult to put it into words.

KRIS: Yes, because it is mostly emotional based, thus it is based in a deeper layer of sound that flows through the substrata of your experiences. (Intently) Underneath all of these neatly arranged human experiences where you would interpret through your physical senses lies what you would then call Framework 2. The images per se, that form the models within Framework 2 that are then utilized to create the experiences in Framework 1 are more than pretty faces, per se. They are incredibly sophisticated, dynamic, living kinds of sounds. Sympathetic resonances. Your inner senses, in conjunction with your outer senses, translate these into the experiences you call your life, your reality. Think of a symphony performed by an orchestra. All those beautiful notes very eloquently laid out in an apparent logical manner and at the same time, think of all the pauses that give the notes significance, for without those pauses, you would literally have unending strings of cacophonies. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah!

KRIS: These are also part of the experience. So you could then say, in a simplistic type of manner, that the source of the symphony in Framework 2 contains all of the variables, all of the potential sounds or notes that could also have been chosen but were not at that moment. All of these represent potential notes that the composer could have picked but chose not to in order to create the specific harmony that he felt or she felt. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: I think so. Something we were conversing about after the singing…. I had the sense that in between the notes of the song were the moments when I was able to get, or to make, the interpretation. I would get imagery from the notes, and it seemed like in between the notes would come the words.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I don’t know if that makes sense or not.

KRIS: Indeed it does because your own consciousness already has grasped the entire range of the exchange, and it is in the process of translating it for you to then acquire it at the level of the intellect and the emotions that you understand.

ELLEN: Yeah, and there was this moment of choice. Instantaneous choice whether I would choose this word or that word to convey what I was feeling, what I was sensing. It could have gone in a slightly different direction.

KRIS: Indeed, because for all intents and purposes, Sumari singing involves such a range of choices that a song could likely have dozens of meanings depending on the perspective at that moment.

ELLEN: And yet we were keyed in on the same… the same… ah… what it was he was trying to convey. I latched onto that without even knowing.

KRIS: Many of you actually have experienced, even if ever so slightly, have had the experience of suddenly knowing that you know something but do not know how you know that you know that something. But you know it!

ELLEN: Ha! Yeah.

KRIS: The knowledge was there, because momentarily you relaxed your guard and the knowledge made itself apparent.

ELLEN: Hm! We snatch it out of the air.

KRIS: Now then, does anyone else have an observation or perhaps an experience concerning sound that you may not have thought of in that way before?

TOM: Yeah, Kris, I just had a thought that came to mind regarding the sound. This is also tied into beliefs in that beliefs can generate feelings and we use beliefs a lot for that programming to protect ourselves from certain feelings and if the feelings go into feeling-tones and sound, then we’re actually using beliefs to orchestrate the feelings that we want, the sounds that we want. Is that correct?

KRIS: Consider that you as a species, as an individual, always move towards that which gives you pleasure, which gives you joy, so it is natural then, that even though it may be an entirely subconscious process or action that you would initiate inner actions — in this case, sounds to evoke feelings, beliefs, etc. — meant to, by good intention, bring you towards a state of joy or happiness, peace, safety, security, etc.

TOM: Okay.

KRIS: Now along the way, it is quite possible as it does happen, that you encounter conflicting zones of beliefs and you would want to recognize that though there may now be some kind of conflict, the initial intent was not conflict, the initial intent was to bring you towards a state of joy or happiness. Something desirable. When you encounter these zones of conflict, it is again to bring to your attention that you can make adjustments, that you can create out of the apparent conflict a situation again to your benefit, simply that the old programming is no longer functioning to your advantage. Does that make sense?

TOM: So this goes into what Ellen was saying about the emotional content of the Sumari singing and the feelings that are integral in reality creation and there is a tie-in back with belief structures, so it’s all tied together, if feelings can influence the beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed, that is why we have referred to them as sympathetic resonances. If you pay attention to a symphony being conducted by the maestro, the notes are all carefully laid out and arranged in such a manner that a very harmonious flow of notes and sounds bring you enjoyment, thus each musical instrument in each of the sections and the entire orchestra with all of its instruments are finally attuned in sympathetic resonance to create that beautiful sound. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes. Definitely.

BRIAN: Kris, you got me thinking about the music of Mozart and how it grabs the very depths of your soul. Especially Mozart, though some people may differ.

KRIS: We do not differ!

BRIAN: Thank you! Actually any music that touches someone’s soul. Music we gravitate towards because it does bring us pleasure and there is a communication, a very heartfelt communication behind music.

KRIS: Indeed, it is a universal. All cultures from time immemorial, have utilized music in one form or another to express their myths, their legends, their histories, their hopes, aspirations, their traditions, through various music. It has always been part of your human experience.

BRIAN: As well as a wealth of creativity.

KRIS: Now then, we suggest that you enjoy a small break.

(Break at 8:45 PM)

SERGE: (Coming out of trance and yawning) Everyone is so quiet!

TOM: Pondering.

ELLEN: Kris gets us to thinking very, very deeply.

SERGE: Well, maybe he’ll help with the move next weekend!

TOM: So, Ellen, did you feel that the poetry, the singing, that state, was reaching in — I know that you’re probably feeling a healing from it, but did you also feel an alteration in your belief structure?

ELLEN: Um… my belief structure has been changing a great deal over the past couple of years! (Laughs) Defrene said something interesting after we were discussing it. She was saying how the work that Emmy and I have been doing, especially the Tarot shadow work, was instrumental in opening up certain emotional blockages. When you get those blockages out of the way, you’re able to receive more information through whatever your exploration is; and when you’re exploring the Sumari song, the sounds, you can receive this information.

I don’t know how else to explain it. Its just amazing and emotional blockages ARE tied into belief systems. I mean, you have these acquired beliefs and you just hold them up as something that’s sort of a shield or barrier to your ability to get down into deeper knowledge. When you can release those things, a channel will open up.

It was interesting, because every time we attempt this experimentation it’s always a little bit different. Emmy was in a really giddy, silly mood right before. She was just laughing and it was so contagious, we were both just ridiculously silly and I thought, “She’s never going to be able to do this song” yet when she launched into the song, she was deeply focused. And I, when she stopped, I was absolutely dizzy! I said, “Do you know what I feel like? I feel like I’ve just been in a movie theater on a hot day.” You know how you go to a movie in the summer time and it’s cold in there? The air conditioning is so high, it’s so cold, it’s so dark, you’re so wrapped up in the movie and then you step outside and it’s bright sunshine and waves of heat hit you. That’s how I felt at the end of this song, and this is what Defrene was referring to. She was saying that you can’t get to that level as long as you’re holding things [like acquired beliefs and emotional blocks] in the way.

TOM: So it’s a step by step process, you don’t just jump to the end of the bridge. You take one step at a time.

ELLEN: Well, we’re doing a lot of pretty in-depth work as you know. I don’t know how else to…

TOM: No, that’s good. I understand. It’s quite fascinating.

ELLEN: Well, but it’s not labor! (Laughs) It’s very enjoyable, really very exciting, and enjoyable but it’s an exploration. And you do have to get through these certain belief structures that you’ve built up and these emotional…. well, for instance, like I talked about in my blog, the pain bodies that you hold in the way.

TOM: They’re not so much separate, they’re all connected, interrelated, one influencing the other.

ELLEN: Absolutely.

TOM: That’s something that just came to me when Kris was talking, just the realization “Oh, these are all connected, they’re not separate!”

ELLEN: And it’s a feeling thing. It’s not an intellectual process. It’s something that has to be felt.

SERGE: So I take it the session has been interesting?

ELLEN: (Humorously) Oh, I don’t know! We’ll rate it… what shall we rate it, Guys? (Group chuckling) On a scale of one to ten, about a twelve?

BRIAN: We became Bambi for a little bit! Romping through the woods!

(Laughter)

THERESA: I was just wondering: Kris said that so many animals have a broader range of hearing and sense of smell and so on than we do. Do they also have a broader range of sensing, feeling-tones, and these other types of vibrations that Kris was talking about that we don’t pick up on? I was just curious about that.

(A number of people comment at the same time, all in agreement)

MARK: How many animals have you had, that have come up to you in your time of need, to comfort you?

BRIAN: Yes, animals are very comforting. They pick up on you.

SERGE: In fact, in the mid-90′s I got a Rottweiler puppy and I called him “Pharaoh” and he was a big boy, at nine months of age he was over a hundred pounds and he was a really sweet guy. And usually, when I had someone come in for a session with Kris, he would just go onto his blanket in the bedroom, where he would sleep. This one time, this lady came in and she drove from Quebec City to Ottawa. That’s about a four and a half hour drive and she at one point broke down and cried. Pharaoh came out of the bedroom, which he never did in private sessions; he went around me, went on the other side of the coffee table, and lay down on her feet! He didn’t know her from a hole in the ground! And when she stopped crying, he got up and went back to his bed.

THERESA: Wow.

BRIAN: Does that answer your question, Theresa?

THERESA: Well, I kind of had my own feeling about what the answer is, but the interesting aspect of it that I don’t know is, what kind of vibrations do they pick up additionally to what we do not. Feeling-tones are one, but then when Kris was talking about trees emit a resonance and the elements of nature emit a resonance, do the animals pick up on those things?

ELLEN: I think we would pick up the same things except for the shields that we put up between us, between our interconnections, our intercommunications. I think animals don’t practice that sort of thing. That’s my thought.

THERESA: They’re not as blocked, yeah.

ELLEN: Yeah, they’re not blocked. They don’t have those emotional blockages.

(Kris returns at this.)

KRIS: The animals indeed do not have to constantly second guess their instinctive nature, thus their ability to respond is much more rapid. Most animals also have a more refined galvanic skin response than humans do. Most animals do have some or several senses that are more finely attuned because on the one hand they are unable to think of themselves as separate from their environment, so they are attuned to it in ways that most human beings have lost the ability to.

They also do not banter back and forth, trying to make sense of a situation, trying to judge its pros and cons in order to make any decision. That is part of their instinctive nature. You say they act on instinct. You also act on instinct, but your instincts have more or less have become muddled with second guessing and intellectualizations. You may hear the ground rumble under your feet, knowing that an earthquake is imminent, and you may still ponder what that could mean. How will it affect you? Will it mess up your hair? The animals are not so concerned. They will react immediately. Does that make some sense?

ELLEN: Oh yes, very much so.

KRIS: Especially the hair part!

ELLEN: (Laughing) I always worry about my hair first!

KRIS: Now some of you may wish to try an interesting experiment, especially those who are able to be around animals, perhaps such as Theresa. And you may then, if you are so inclined of course, report on the experimentation. For instance, putting a blanket on the ground or on the cement floor in the barn, whichever is best, and if you are outside of course, do wear appropriate mosquito repellant. The idea would be for you to sit — whether you sit in any kind of classic lotus position or not is irrelevant, it may even be on a chair, but be comfortable — and, as best as you can, empty your mind of any concerns, empty your body of any concerns and enter a trance state similar to the exercise before break, communing with your horses perhaps, or the chickens or all of them, as much as you can.

Then, after a few moments, open your eyes and look at the animals, look at where they are, then close your eyes again, then commune with the animals again. Sometimes the animals may all come to you [and] sometimes they may not. The idea is simply to observe the interactions once you are in that state, in their presence. For those of you who do not have a ranch, you may perhaps in your walks or travelings, find a tree with many, many birds, having what you might simply call a very good bird party, all hundreds of birds in the tree, singing, having fun. Stop not too far from the tree. And Theresa may do the same with the horses. In the quiet state of mind, pretend that you are able to extend your consciousness like a wave or a hand to the animals. If you are near the tree with the birds, project your consciousness in the tree with the birds and observe what happens. That is all we will say for now. It may be very eye opening.

THERESA: I’m excited. I’m going to do that for sure.

KRIS: We suggest you do not do this in a zoo, but enjoy the experience. Are there any other questions or observations?

THERESA: Well, someone already commented on this a little bit, but I was going to mention that when you spoke earlier about sounds being connected with feelings and feeling-tones, the first thought that came to my mind was music and how we can use music to actually change our mood. One of my favorite meditations is to do that. If I want to feel more uplifted, I play some music that I find uplifting. If I want to feel calmer, I play music that feels calming and in that sense for me there’s definitely a direct relationship between the sound of music and the resonance it has on your body and your emotions. And also when you’re playing a musical instrument and some of them vibrate. For instance, I used to play a violin, and when you play violin, and the instrument is against your chin, the actual physical vibration of the music enters your body in a very physical way….

KRIS: (Emphatically) Indeed! Indeed.

THERESA: It has a HUGE impact, yes!

KRIS: And did you also play the harp?

THERESA: Yes, I do play the harp and you can also feel because the harp, you know, you’re holding it in such a way that you can feel that vibration as well. Not quite as strongly as the violin, but there is definitely an impact. A physical and emotional impact.

KRIS: Indeed! This is also why, to some degree you can, all of you, have powerful experiences when you are in an environment where there is a great summer storm with thunder and lightning — (Humorously) though if you are in the path of a hurricane, we suggest you get out of the way! But nonetheless, even being near, or in the path of a great summer storm with lightning and thunder and rain, and notice your connection to the event and what it brings out inside of you and you will again awaken that deep sense of emotional power. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yeah, it does! It feels like a release of energy. I like being out on the porch watching a storm, and there is definitely a feeling-tone in the middle of a thunderstorm.

KRIS: Some people have a similar sense in a winter storm. Snow storms. Any great movement of nature, as long as your life is not put in jeopardy. Thus the idea of sound is not something new. Most of your ancient holy or sacred books also speak [of this]. In the one you refer to as the foundation for Christianity and Judeo-Christian traditions it is said that the Divinity uttered words. In the Sanskrit holy books, it is said that the Divinity made sounds, which launched creation, and so many other if not all of the other ancient traditions make references to sounds in one way or another.

And that information over the centuries and the millennia often is distorted, but it still embeds the ancient knowledge that sound is involved in the formation of the experiences that you call reality.

Many of you may notice that certain sounds, musical sounds even, have a powerful impact upon you. For some of you it is the hearing of certain native sounds, whether voice or musical instrument. Some people react powerfully to the sound of bagpipes or chants. Notice what occurs in your body at those times. Notice the emotional tones that come to the surface at those times. Joseph is prone to out of body experiences if he listens to specific ranges from bagpipes. Each of you will have a specific event in that line that evokes extremely deep, even perhaps ancient echoes within your being.

Perhaps you might even like to research what that is for you and post it in a discussion in the forums. See how that resonates with others. You may find a great deal of commonality. Look in your dreams how often sound may even play a critical function. You may even have dreams within which sounds are uttered which have a specific impact upon you within the dream state and within your waking state. It is said that most human beings experience a certain sense of calm, grounding, etc. when they are in a natural or nature environment. That is again because of the various sounds and the resonant vibrations in the natural environment. Those feeling-tones are then brought to the surface. Does that make sense to you as well?

BRIAN: Yes!

ELLEN: Totally.

KRIS: You may also not notice the kinds of sounds involved when you have deep, profound experiences, some of which you may even classify as mystical because it does create a resonance within the neurons of the brain. Specific ranges of sounds are triggered in the brain itself, which create the release of specific hormones and other chemicals. The entire physical body functions very much like an orchestra in that way. Under the conduct of the ego construction each organ, each system functioning in harmony and resonance within the orchestration of what you call your physical body. So our challenge to you, since we believe that there is no session next Sunday, is that correct Philip?

MARK: That is correct.

KRIS: Our challenge to all of you is to experiment with sound utilizing any of the methods we have described and posting it on the forum. Is that a challenge you feel up to?

BRIAN: Absolutely!

ELLEN: I think I can manage that.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Joseph and I will be experimenting with the sound of movers moving!

(Laughter)

KRIS: Thus we leave you to the sound of your own sweet self and we return Joseph to you now.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:17 PM)

Kris Radio: Q and A

June 19, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Emmy van Swaaij (Atin Khum) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 19, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on thatradio.com and thatchannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m co-hosting along with John Hawkins.

JOHN: Thank you Mark, very nice of you to introduce me and I am co-hosting with Serge Grandbois.

SERGE: Thank you and I’m co-hosting with Mark Bukator.

MARK: And I’m co-hosting, no (laughs), welcome back to another Thursday of Kris Radio on That Radio and it’s good to be back.

JOHN: Yes, it is not a bad day and we are getting up on the first day of summer here aren’t we?

MARK: Oh I know – the solstice is this weekend.

SERGE: Just keep your parkas on.

JOHN: I know it is a little cool for the year.

MARK: It is yoyo weather – it is like a roller coaster. We went from hot down to single digits. Hopefully we are going back up. So do we have Alan? Just try to feed Alan in here…

ALAN: Do you guys hear me?

JOHN: I heard something. It sounds long far away like from a mountaintop.

ALAN: Yeah, that is the way it’s going.

SERGE: Hey Alan!

ALAN: How is everybody?

SERGE: Very good, very good.

MARK: Very nice.

ALAN: Skype giving us some fits but we’ll see if we can hang in there.

MARK: Alan is filling in for Matt and Nicole who are traveling tonight; they are on the road from Calgary back on to Cave Creek Arizona going home….

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: That’s a first for them they are coming home for the summer. They have never seen their home for the summer.

JOHN: Really?

MARK: They have never seen the plants bloom.

SERGE: No every summer for like the last ten years they and they only bought the property about eight years ago. So they go traveling especially north where it is a little cooler and I think this is like their retirement now from….

MARK: From the vagabond lifestyle.

SERGE: Yeah public speaking or motivational speaking in that way…

JOHN: Oh, that’s great!

SERGE: And they are entering a whole new venture… I was talking to Nicole was it last night?

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: OK.

MARK: They’re excited.

SERGE: Yeah they are excited because this new venture they are going on and Nicole reminded me that when we were down there one of the talks that they had with Kris. Their friend Georgina is a real estate agent and a very nice one, a very good one and Nicole reminded me that Kris had suggested the possibility that before the end of 2008 there was a good chance that they would somehow or the other be involved in working with Georgina, which is what is developing in a new Estate Market.

JOHN: Oh!

MARK: Funny that!

JOHN: For real!

MARK: Something else I like to announce: What I like to do is thank Lisa for her hard work and dedication she has been transcribing these radio shows for well over a year now.

SERGE: Almost yeah! Usually the next morning they are in the mailbox. E-mailbox anyways.

MARK: But, unfortunately Lisa is well not leaving us but she is been given more responsibilities at work and is unable to transcribe our shows. So she is still going to be around for emergencies and stuff and special events.

SERGE: I think she mentioned in the email that doing the transcribing has sharpened up some skills, which are now being used in her new responsibilities.

JOHN: Oh good!

MARK: So we want to thank Lisa for all her hard work and everything she has done and we’d also like to welcome Emmy to the team.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: Emmy in the Netherlands is now going to be picking up the slack and doing what Lisa was doing.

JOHN: Lovely, well that is sweet. Emmy…. we may get Defrene commenting from time to time in parenthesis.

ALAN: Parenthesizing.

MARK: So how has everybody’s week been?

JOHN: Well I’ve had a very, very nice week. I’ve got two interviews down and one to go for a potential new job with the bank of Montreal.

SERGE: Yeah, very nice.

MARK: Sweet.

JOHN: So that is kind of fun. Yeah I’m quite thrilled by that and it is a great job, because the hours of it are 11.30 in the morning till 7.30 in the evening.

SERGE: Except Thursday nights.

JOHN: Except Thursday nights of course.

SERGE: Those are rough limits.

JOHN: But I like those hours because it gives me my morning to do my research and writing and posting and what have you, and my 7 circle yoga and all my morning rituals and then honestly for me the difference for getting home at 5.30 and getting home at 7.30 is just does not make that much difference.

SERGE: Yeah.

MARK: How was your week, Alan?

ALAN: Hey, it’s been nice. We finally have got a little breath of summer coming through here so at least it hasn’t snowed for the last week.

MARK: (Laughs) We’re kind of fearful up here.

ALAN: Yeah!

SERGE: Yeah when you consider the first day of summer and we’re still in single digits.

MARK: I’ve been reading your post there, Alan and I love the work you’re doing and the conclusions you’re drawing.

SERGE: Yeah, the insights are awesome.

JOHN: Yeah, I’m so glad that your tool came through.

ALAN: Yes it’s always nice for one to get one’s proper tool.

SERGE: Can you elaborate? (Laughs)

ALAN: Nope, not going there.

JOHN: Well I like the idea of you accepting the fact that the tool arrived, you don’t even remember ordering it, and but you’re happy with that “hey that is another aspect of me” meanwhile, let’s go back to watching the news!

ALAN: Yeah, I don’t know if you saw it or not but, Bonnie Vinnie put on post on the same thread about some internal aspect conversational thing she had.

JOHN: Oh yeah, I did see that – it was great!

ALAN: Really interesting, yeah.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: For those people who are wondering what we are talking about; we are talking about a discussion on the Kris Chronicles forum, Krischronicles.com/forum, singular and there’s some really good insights by a lot of people including Alan and Bonnie and Ellen.

JOHN: Yeah, Bonnie’s post was really good – it was all about her inner bitch and her inner motorcycle mama.

ALAN: Motorcycle mama, yeah.

MARK: Yes you got to read this.

JOHN: Yeah that was good!

SERGE: And Ellen’s postings as well with Emmy’s work and Defrene’s work.

MARK: Emmy’s blog…

SERGE: That’s all in line with the aspect stuff that Kris is working on and he’s been, now in retrospect I see that he’s been working on it for a long time, now it is formal. So that is kind of interesting.

MARK: Yes, really good stuff.

ALAN: Yeah of course he is going to get us all talking to ourselves in broad daylight and then he gonna come through and say April fools!

SERGE: Well at least now Alan you can go: “Shut up”, “No you shut up!”; “No you shut up!”

MARK: All ya’ll shut up. (Laughs) So we do have an upcoming workshop in September: “Hunting for your Dreams”, September 6th and 7th, 2008. It is located in the Homewood Suites by Hilton hotel in Edgewater, New Jersey, which is just over the river from New York.

SERGE: I take it’s on the edge of the water.

MARK: Pretty darn close, for more information please go to krischronicles.com and hit that workshop button on the top there. [Note: This has now changed. You can click on PARTICIPATE, then on WORKSHOPS.]

SERGE: Yep, there are a few people that already signed up, so it’s starting.

JOHN: And that was all about… that came out of that “Harry the hunter”.

MARK: Harry the hunter. Do you remember Harry the hunter?

JOHN: I do remember Harry the hunter and the spider and everything. It was a great story.

MARK: That’s a great little story. But it’s basically the analogy is taking inspiration from wherever you can and acting on it and moving toward those dreams even when you’re down and out and starving.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: So do you want to tell us a little bit about last week’s show John?

JOHN: Well I’ll be happy to, last week’s show was for me it was a very, very significant one. I actually did a write up on the very forum that we’ve been discussing. Last week, Kris gave us a process for releasing old beliefs and energizing new ones, which I have found to be very, very, powerful. I’ve been using it ever since. I’m an early adaptor, and I basically – 20 minutes after the show, I’m putting the thing into practice and that one has been working real good for me.

MARK: That’s beautiful.

SERGE: Yeah, it would be interesting if other people who are listening and are putting it into use could send us, you know, an email with their experiences concerning it. That could be posted on our website as well.

MARK: Or go to the forum.

SERGE: Or go to the forum and post that as well. I think that would be neat. Maybe even the process itself could be extracted from the transcript and put in the forum and people could pick it up and run with it.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Yes because that is so helpful to a lot of people, to see how other people are using it and how it is working for them and they can inspire.

SERGE: I know from comments I get from a lot of other people; people that have sessions with Kris or just people I communicate with on these subjects whether it’s been reading Seth material or Abraham material or Elias material, it’s often just stays in the head and it’s ok it’s in a conversation form or monologue form and a lot of people, once they have the process it just clicks. That’s what it means and then boom. It’s like the workshop that Kris did in Arizona, a lot of the material is stuff that they’d heard here there and everywhere, but, because he added the – what do you call that – flipchart and we’re talking about it in a continuous manner and everybody was focused on it all of a sudden, it made a world of difference. People understood things that before it was kind of iffy or you know and all of a sudden the light bulb went on and boom.

MARK: The meditations, the practices and the group energy and it’s also…

JOHN: The group energy is huge.

MARK: The group thing is a big thing. When you’re at these workshops and you go for break or overnight and you go drinking or you have dinner – the conversations brings it that much closer. And also the forum is very much like bringing that group energy home, even when we’re distant and those discussions just bring it forward.

SERGE: Yeah, because somebody has an insight and it inspires somebody else to get a light bulb going on or their own insight and then they share that. And that keeps the ball rolling and that is an important aspect of it.

JOHN: Yes, I get the exact same benefits from a CMI practice sessions with Anya. They are really powerful, I’m sure Alan will second that emotion.

SERGE: Yeah.

ALAN: Yeah, absolutely. I think they are doing very well and people are getting a lot out of them based on the comments that we are getting.

MARK: Those Skype groups are a lot of fun.

JOHN: Yes, they’re great and they are all recorded and on the CMI website.

SERGE: And I’ve been getting a couple of emails now, about people that are curious about the new workshop that Kris wants us to get into, “So you want to change the world” and they’re not part of the CMI.

MARK: That’s fine.

SERGE: And, yeah I think that it’s neat that people are picking up on the interest.

MARK: The “So you want to change the world” will be a Skype workshop but it is open to anyone. Right now I have to put it on not the backburner but maybe the side burner, just…

SERGE: Just for a few weeks, until we moved in and are settled.

MARK: It’s just too hectic for me to do this. But these Skype workshops are just amazing and this one is going to be just as fun.

JOHN: Isn’t it amazing that Skype was invented just like in the last few years and suddenly you can
talk to anybody on the planet in a group conference call.

MARK: For free!

JOHN: For free!

ALAN: Yeah.

JOHN: Did you have something Alan?

ALAN: Well I, you know, just in… this maybe have to do with the changing the world concept, and I’ll just kind of put it out there because it was the first question that popped up on the Skype chat and an individual that I’ll leave nameless for now is inquired about a painless way to commit suicide. And off course we all have an understanding of what that really means is going on and I don’t know whether this is a topic you know press that Kris can get into tonight but it really does speak to me of someone who really wants to change their world in a very dramatic fashion.

JOHN: You know the first thing that leaps into my mind is that the easiest way, the most painless way to commit suicide is to invite a new aspect in with new aspirations and say bye bye to the old one. Why waste a body?

MARK: Yeah, so hopefully in the next couple of weeks we’ll be able to put that one together and maybe start it in the middle towards the end of July. But we’ll be working on getting the website set up for that.

JOHN: Ok, so we’ve picked up a little bit from last week’s show.

MARK: Last Sundays session was pretty amazing as well, which was carried on from the radio show and that again was taking beliefs and I really like the idea that when you transform your beliefs, you transform your personality.

JOHN: Yes, I loved it. What he said was, when you think you are changing the world, you are not changing one iota of the world. What you do is, you come up with a new configuration of your own personality structure and then you got…I have felt this myself in the last few weeks, then you’ve got somebody new looking out through your own eyes.

MARK: Right.

JOHN: And the new you off course, it’s not very long before the universe starts reflecting and confirming those beliefs back to you.

MARK: And we talk a lot about aspects and how we are multidimensional beings with a lot of aspects. What floors me is that each one of those aspects holds it’s own beliefs. They are all different from each other.

ALAN: And the issues they have seem to be different from each other.

MARK: Exactly.

ALAN: That makes healing sometimes a rather interesting process.

MARK: You literally can be of two or three minds on a topic.

JOHN: Two or three?

ALAN: Yeah. Well I think the concept I really like is that what happens as you greet these aspects and bring them in, is you expand your own perception and of course by doing so you dissociate from the problems that your focus self, someone else has, that is really been blinding you to the solution. And I know it has been said for years that the solution always comes by changing the level of your awareness, not by changing the problem or solving the problem it comes from an expended state of awareness.

MARK: Right, that is true.

ALAN: And I think that is exactly what the aspect material is allowing us to do.

MARK: Keyword – ALLOWING.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: And here we go….

JOHN: You’re watching on the TV are you Alan?

ALAN: Yes, I am.

JOHN: Ah, good.

ALAN: I got it back up – I had to kill my own video though that was killing Skype for some reason.

KRIS: Now if you will allow, we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Now if you recall some time back we suggested that the world is not about the world, is it is about you. Do you remember?

JOHN: Absolutely.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: Does that make a bit more sense now?

JOHN: It really does, it do, do!

KRIS: In understanding that for all intents and purposes, though it appears to you that there is an outside world; there is no outside world at the same time. It is your inside world that is being projected that is experienced through your sensory perceptions, your physical senses are interpreting what is already quite dynamically active within your field of personal events.

JOHN: uhhm

KRIS: Thus even the scientist, the astronomers and the physicists, discovering a new world, new planets and new solar systems.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: In some respects they are discovering new aspects of the human race’s potential; their own included and it is projected outwardly. Now off course anyone can look out the window and be scandalized to hear that the world that so vividly hustles and bustles before their eyes is nonexistent. And it does exist in that way, because it is part of themselves. And at the same time the only thing that exists is themselves, plural. The experimentation that your species, as Orodin is playing with, or the game of experimentation, has far reaching and profound implications for all other life forms or entities if you wish or essence, period, for all of them. Because the manifestations that you engage are in some respects also aspects of their lovely grand old selves and these are also aspects of other lovely grand or if you wish even grander old selves.

JOHN: And all of that are aspects of us.

KRIS: Indeed so you have a very tightly interwoven configuration or network of energies. All systems open so that the communications are advantageous to all life forms whether they are cognoscente in your terms or not is completely irrelevant. Even what you may call configurations of rocks stones and mountains are representations of energies from other life forms, other entities. So there is always a great deal of communication. Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Yep.

KRIS: Do you have any inquiries? Yourselves or Skype-selves?

ALAN: Well Kris as I mentioned earlier there is this individual inquiring about a painless way to suicide, which I take in a slightly different way I think than most people would, and I’m kind of wondering from my own personal point of view, if when someone’s world gets to that point where they are so basically down on it and themselves, is a lot of it have to do with a loss of their own sense of a higher self or a communication to a higher level of themselves?

KRIS: It is a rather charged subject matter, however we will say that again though the emphasis or onus is on the apparent coldness and cruelty of the world, a world someone must try and escape at all costs, that truly it has nothing to do with the world but the individual. And though feelings or sense of separation from source may be part of the situation, the individual truly is expressing a lack of connection, communication with his or her own self. That can make things very difficult because it provides loss of being grounded. A loss of inherent communication with experience and of course often it is projected onto the world. There may even be issues of anger and resentment that are not being addressed and therefore released. And there may be other issues pertinent to the individual – now we will offer a discussion a private discussion with said individual. We are certain that neither Phillip nor Joseph would object.

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: If you can convey that it would be appreciated.

ALAN: I will do so.

KRIS: The formation of suicide ideation as it is referred, is also a communication and one that can be addressed. Any other inquiries?

JOHN: Let me just check here quickly Serge, actually, sorry Kris, this is slightly off topic do you mind something from left field? Or do you want on beliefs or what not?

KRIS: Why not something from right field?

JOHN: Alright.

KRIS: It is always referred to as left field, but if we are facing you it is not left field.

JOHN: Right, so to speak. I’ve got a question here from Gilla seconded by Christoph and you know how Sedona is a major energy vortex here and we discussed how that is really the combination of the energy that people have been placing into that space but the question is: Is there a major energy vortex of a similar type that is in Germany? These people live in Germany.

MARK: Or Austria.
KRIS: Indeed in Germany at least we believe, Köln is in Germany. [Cologne in English.]

JOHN/MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Köln? How do you spell that?

MARK: Cologne?

KRIS: Fortunately it does not carry any odor. That area, especially the area at the back where we believe it is called the naive, the area where the altar resides.

JOHN: Naive altar, now this is a cathedral or a religious…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Ok, well that’s good. I think they’ll appreciate that.

MARK: How about Austria?

KRIS: A good point of reference also and in fact for Germany there are others as well, but in most places research the oldest sacred place or church as it is historically known and you will be able to locate such an vortex.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: And if you are at all able to understand the lay lines, you’ll also find that major ancient charges are or were constructed over so-called pagan ritual centers or churches, temples.

JOHN: Right, hmhm.

KRIS: In an effort to convert the pagans to the so-called “one and only true religion”.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Fortunately, no one has told the inhabitants of other worlds that theirs is not the only one and true religion. Now these ancient churches and sacred temples will indicate to you the origination of ancient power centers. And you’ll find utilizing European maps of lay lines that they are usually on target as to the points of known energy centers. The great church of the Sophia is also a powerful point.

MARK: Which country is that in?

KRIS: We believe it is in Istanbul but that could be wrong, or Constantinople.

JOHN: Yes, I think that is the area.

KRIS: Many ancient (Loud music plays for a second) Many ancient chants were also performed in these places, rituals. There are many ancient Egyptian areas where the energy is still active and can be detected. There are also a great variety of sacred places such as Stonehenge and many others where there are standing stone circles that also contain a great deal of energy they are on specific lay line points. The ancients as you would call them had mapped out throughout the known world where these energy points were and created places of gathering, which were eventually converted to places of worship according to various religions over and over and over again.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: The place was a center of gathering because everyone benefited from the energy and everyone added to the energy.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it does.

KRIS: Thus even though it is understood that a church is the place where the worshippers gather, initially they were not buildings and a church was simply a place of gathering. It would have been in the desert in the open sky if there were a gathering it was called a church.

MARK: We were just talking about that earlier tonight about the group energy.

JOHN: Well that raises a question for me Kris. Thinking about the fact that the world is not about the world, the world is about me, that suggest to me that I’ve got lay lines and sacred geography and patterns of energy inside me that are being reflected by these sacred sites.

KRIS: Indeed, you may call them meridians.

JOHN: Oh the meridians in the body?

KRIS: Indeed the circuitry also influenced by the connective tissue.

JOHN: Right, but even in the body that is still physical, so there is an inner aspect of that as well.

KRIS: As well.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: These are the energetic configurations of all of the various aspects. You are therefore a nation of selves a group of inner civilizations. Each of them a complete civilization all unto themselves, thus the model within the psyche is utilized to create those kinds of organizations at the physical world level, they are projected from within.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Does it make sense to you?

JOHN: Perfect.

KRIS: You might even greatly benefit, everyone would greatly benefit, by understanding that even though you are all unique individuals that you are one, and that you are also one made up of many and the many make up the one. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Indeed. Achintia Beda Beda Tattva! [Ancient Bengali expression which means that we are both the same as and yet different from the God Head.]

KRIS: Indeed. You are so quiet.

MARK: No he is Sohars. (Pronounced So harsh.)

(Group laughter)

MARK: Oh no!

JOHN: You’re smart today!

MARK: Ok, how about a little break?

KRIS: Indeed.

(Break Song: Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens: Baby, Baby it’s a Wild World)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com and thatchannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John, Serge and Alan in Colorado and we’ve been chatting with Kris, interesting little discussion.

JOHN: Yeah, it is kind of fun to think about, you know I get the feeling in terms of sacred sites energy vortexes that you just go to the biggest oldest church in town basically, the one that has been there for a thousand years and that is very pretty likely to be a you know…

MARK: Sedona has a few but if you’ve ever been or seen Sedona you understand why they are all natural rock formations but wow! And I’m sure places like Machu Piccu and maybe even the Library of Alexandria would qualify.

JOHN: The pyramids, I’m sure and some of those Greek temples – I forget Delphi and what not.

SERGE: Yeah the Parthenon and all of these…

JOHN: It is interesting that the energy meridians of the body are you know analogous to the energy meridians of the planet.

MARK: I’m sure the centers either coincide with the chakra’s or the marmas.

JOHN: The what?

MARK: Marmas.

SERGE: Chakra’s, Marmas and Papa’s.

MARK: The Marma’s and the Parpas!

JOHN: What are marmas?

MARK: Marmas are pulse points.

JOHN: Oh.

MARK: Throughout the body they’re…

JOHN: Oh it’s interesting because I know from what, well I did an interesting post about this about how I have this little gismo that allows me to identify acupressure acupuncture points and I noticed that when I get, I’m sitting on the computer working and there is a certain thing on my leg and I feel it and I’m itching and scratching and then I suddenly think wait, wait, wait and I go and get the thing and the very point that I want to scratch happens to be.

MARK: The pitch, it’ll give you the alarm.

JOHN: An acupuncture point right that is calling out for attention. So I wonder what the analogy for that is in terms of the globe, the planet right? In other words…

SERGE: In other words it’s itching! You scratch it.

JOHN: Are there places on the planet where we have let’s say a big storm, the big storm is really the response to an itch under the planets skin. Just an idea kids!

ALAN: Scratching your own lay lines!

JOHN: Exactly.

KRIS: Now off course if you scratch Mother Nature you must be ready to endure consequences.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: As such, what you referred moments ago, to storms in your sensory perception, your eyes and through your other physical senses, the energy manifest itself as storms sometimes of a powerful and devastating strength and at other times it is barely a wisp of a breeze and a sprinkle of water.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And there are countless variations in between the two states. And these are all the accumulation of collective emotional energies. When you are encountering a storm, your own emotional prowess adds to the phenomenon in such a way that you sense the participation, you sense the rush, the acceleration you feel that connection with something much, much larger than your ordinary perception of Self. At that moment you are aware of your own energetic participation within the storm, which is the accumulation of group energy.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And it is all emotional and psychic, thus when you encounter a storm and you feel that acceleration and that connection then you are noticing that energy within yourself. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes now the question I have is… is it causative in the sense that emotional energy building up over a period of several weeks results in a storm or is it simultaneous where the storm creates this wonderful surge of emotions within me?

KRIS: As we’d suggested some time ago there is an actual psychology to the universe to the physical phenomenology of reality as you experience it. Thus even something apparently as disconnected from your lives as a storm, whether it is a summer storm a snow storm or a sand storm or any other kind of storm, are all related to localized psychic energy. Thus pertinent to the inhabitants of a region do you follow?

JOHN: Yes and a question that leaps to mind is Burma recently had a lot of trouble with their monks of course I’m being flippant there. I mean there was a lot of polarization around the monks versus the military government and by golly they had a really, really big storm.

KRIS: Indeed and those troublesome monks. Monks can also be trouble you should know. Is not necessarily causative but participatory, there are other issues involved in the phenomenon. Thus you have interconnected communications from many individuals and they do not always necessarily have to be in what you call the present.

JOHN: Ah…good thinking.

KRIS: However, those who experience it in the present moment participate in the phenomenon and again they are not necessarily causal but they are participatory. The causes may indeed be psychological and psychic and may even stem from other regions, other parts of the world.

JOHN: Or other parts of time?

KRIS: As well, and if you stay for the moment with other parts of the world that have resonant fields, connections with the events of those places, than that energy also adds to the phenomenology. Thus storms that may affect a region in specific at that moment and that eventually brings in outside individuals, may indicate that the reach of the energy was well beyond the geographical boundaries or political boundaries in that region.

JOHN: Well that brings to mind the recent earthquake in China.

KRIS: Indeed in China, in Myanmar and in many other places you have the Katrina, you have Indonesia from a few years ago.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: You have many other such hotspots because storms do not all have to be weather phenomenon.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: There are storms in Darfur there are storms in Zimbabwe there are storms in other places.

JOHN: Oh, that is a very way a very nice broadening of the concept there, Kris. Yeah there is a big storm in Zimbabwe right now.

KRIS: Whenever the human mind… when individuals decide that they have become so broadminded and so open minded and evolved that they can dispense and ignore or deny the actuality of the events within themselves and around themselves, you get suppression, you get denial, you get storms. Deny symptoms in one part of your body and they might become as boils in another area. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it do, yes it do!

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Thus, that can carry over into the phenomenology of the world.

KRIS: All of these things are again communications, expressions that are seeking to balance themselves. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Definitely, did you have something Alan?

ALAN: Well I was just having a conversation with Theresa who was telling me about the firestorm if you’ll pardon the terminology, that they had. And how much it actually unified the community and we have had several instances here in Colorado where a tornado has devastated a town and what happens is, the entire community suddenly comes together as a whole and I’ve noticed that these tend to happen in smaller more isolated communities. So I think there is also a local aspect to this phenomenon as well when it comes to something that seems to be a destructive force and then the fallout seems to be a sense of bringing the people in the area together.

KRIS: Indeed. Very often such events whether firestorms or what is happening along the Mississippi river, all of these often take people out of their complacency. In other words it assist in shaking and awakening individuals, literally bringing other aspects of their personality to the forefront, often the intent being long term healing of even whole groups and communities. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Certainly does to me.

KRIS: And other variable often comes into play, often an impoverished region may suddenly experience some kind of natural phenomenal destruction, which also brings about federal agencies pouring millions of dollars into the region to assist in the recuperation of the economy thus reviving that situation.

MARK: Transforming it.

JOHN: Yes it does.

KRIS: Long ago it would have been thought that these natural disasters were the results of either the whims or the punishments of some divine force, some supernatural being. If it was to the advantage of the priests, they would then claim that divine super-natural forces were displeased with the individuals. You refer to these as caveman thoughts, superstition of ages gone by. And yet in some of your most civilized centers such thinking also is being presently discussed. Many seemingly erudite and educated and intelligent individuals may suddenly claim that the devastations or the financial or economical problems of the country are the result of God not being happy with the stance toward the liberal thinking associated with abortions and gay rights.

JOHN: (Laughs) Right.

MARK: Karma.

KRIS: Indeed it is so interesting to recognize that the divine supernatural powers or beings look so very much like some televangelists somehow.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Yep

KRIS: So do know that there is a deep, deep psychology to the phenomenon and the world of nature, as you understand it because it is your own energy. Thus there are aspects of your being that you know nothing about, but that manage for you the phenomenon of existence as you understand it and your lovely inner selves are aware of all of these things. Thus part of what we are presenting with the consciousness mentoring institute and aspect therapy is to recognize at least those aspects functioning within the parameters of your personality structure and how you may indeed recognize conflicting aspects containing often incongruent sets of beliefs which can cause conflicts or storm fronts in your own lives.

Now in days of old you would have called the rainmaker in case of a drought or you would have called the local shaman when there were other phenomenon. And he or she would perform some rituals and dances and chanting and it would seem that the deities or supernatural beings were appeased, thus the weather would return to normal and the crops would grow, the floods would recede the parched soil would receive rain.

What is truly happening is that the shaman or the shaman-ness or another sacred individual acts in such a way that even without his or her specific knowing – but the actions are part of a ritual that may be more ancient than you can care to know and such rituals were garnered in a fashion that the entire community of the village would participate in some way or another and the trances that they were in would be broken. They would move into another more productive trance therefore eliciting different aspects to the forefront of their personality, which would also bring an influence upon what you call nature.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Ultimately they were acknowledging, addressing and accepting the issue.

KRIS: Yes they were not moving forward by pre-emptive strike first. Does that make sense to you?
(Laughter)

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: We know that you have a question or two but we would prefer to hold those, are there any questions in Skypeland?

ALAN: There was an earlier one Kris when you were discussing the concept of the other is you and Jerry [After the show we learned that it was actually Lisa who had asked this question from Jerry's computer] was asking a rather practical question about in terms of this concept: When you are having difficulty let’s say with the boss at work and the boss is favoring other people over you, or at least that’s your perception, how is the concept that the other is you, helpful in resolving this situation to your advantage?

KRIS: Indeed, become aware of what you then become to think about that boss and those other employees that seem to be favored. What kind of feelings and experiences come to the forefront of your conscious mind? And from that point on work with the “Triple A” method because those states that seem to arise as a result of the boss’ interactions with those he or she seems to favor are reflections of your own inner states in conflict. You are the one that is perhaps feeling less favored and there may be associations with other states of emotions that may even deal with your feelings towards a or both parents or siblings or loved ones from your youth. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Right that is the old “father always loved my brother best”.

KRIS: Indeed and there may be many variations on the theme that could easily have been ignored and denied for many years, even decades, until suddenly you find yourself in a situation where you are mature enough to begin to heal the issues and reclaim the energies from those conflicts from those in-congruencies. Thus it is being represented in this living dynamic scenario for you to pay attention and to make peace with yourself. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: On behalf of Jerry I would say that it does.

KRIS: Indeed, now we believe we are near the end of our time.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: You are simply fortunate it is not the end of times, because you would be solely disappointed. Time does not have an expiration date yet as you know. Thus we thank you for your lovely and generous consideration and we return Joseph to you.

MARK: Thank you.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

ALAN: Thank you Kris!

MARK: Thanks Alan!

ALAN: Oh you bet – you two guys!

MARK: And thanks to the Skypies out there – great questions. Stay tuned for Psychic Street Smarts with Kathryn MacDonald!

(End)

What is an Aspect?

June 15, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, June 15, 2008

Roll Call: Serge, (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alan (Regoronn), John (Sohars), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Jen (Alma), Cathy (Segova), Anya (Greensleeves), Tom C. (Desiré)

(7:38 PM)

[As we were chatting prior to the session, Anya had posed a general query to the group, which then prompted Kris' appearance.]

ANYA: …. and it’s just very obvious that it is at the core and it’s demanding and screaming for a lot of attention and what I really noticed is that, like you know sometimes they say how you do anything, you do everything? I started seeing the same pattern in about every area of my life, the dynamics of the behavior, which was kind of like a good thing to become aware of.

[Kris' familiar deep breathing sounds are heard on the lines]

MARK: (Chuckling, to Anya) Guess what you just did!

ALAN: (Humorously) Uh-oh! Now we’re in for it!

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration, and whether your issue is one “at the core” or is an issue of decor, we are uncertain!

(Group chuckling)

But it is best you be certain about it, otherwise you might get caught in the drapery! Now for all intents and purposes, if you have not noticed by now what all of these discussions for all of these decades have been about in regards to transforming or changing your beliefs, your reality and so on and so forth, and fishing for resources and tools and what you would also call “blah, blah, blah.”

It is now high time to open your eyes and open your ears wide, for you do not change, nor do you transform anything, because you are, for all intents and purposes, seeking to change or transform external conditions and circumstances. What you do not notice is that you do none of these things, ever, even when it seems that you have succeeded. Now do you have any idea in what you DO succeed in changing or transforming?

ANYA: I’m changing my perspective on it, right?

KRIS: Not even that. It is YOU. YOU are changing or transforming YOU. You are simply then calling in another configuration of your energy personality structure and that ends up giving you a different experience. All, literally all of these things, whether it is called hypnosis, NLP, EFT, or any other magical modality of change and transformation, regardless of its name, label or whatever, does not change any kind of external situation one iota but it does transform YOU and therefore you get a different experience. Thus obviously yes, the perspective would be changed because it is not the same individual per se that suddenly looks out the window of your eyes. They say the eyes are the windows to the soul, do they not?

ANYA: Mmhm.

KRIS: We say then, that the eyes are the window to a new world. When you do any particular modality, any effort, any concentration of any kind in any way, shape or form, it is your lovely personality structure that is transformed and changed. Thus instantly the reality experience must be different. That is where that key is. Thus whether you accept the situation or yourself, begin to observe what happens with yourself and you will notice as a consequence that your self has changed and thereby the experience, the reality of that self is also transformed. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: (Taking a deep breath and letting it out) Yes!

KRIS: Does that not take a great burden away from having to chop and hack and cut up any kind of reality you are struggling against? Like if you were a great musketeer, or a Mouseketeer! Depending on your level of fun and instead you literally shift the axis of your personality onto a different aspect and the experience is therefore magically altered. Thus, when individuals utilize any of these modalities: hypnosis, NLP, EFT, TAT and so on and so forth, the modalities are endless and they would be endless and unlimited because you are all eternal, immortal consciousness. And it is YOUR consciousness, your center of self that suddenly shifts. The paradigm of your existence begins to spin on a different axis, therefore he or she who looks through your eyes necessarily sees a new world, a new experience of reality in line with that self.

ANYA: So it means that if we are applying tools…. I’m going towards the… the…doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Because sometimes I think for many, many years I’ve been trying to do things avoiding the core issue, and I hope that applies to a lot of us, you know, learning the right technique and another technique and another technique, and as long as you are not changing that YOU, you can apply the technique endlessly, to death, and you still would not get to where you think you really want to go.

KRIS: Indeed, you would to some degree experience slight changes, but the core of the issue is the self. THAT is what you change. That is why there is an important component to the Triple ‘A’. You acknowledge, you address and you accept SELF. You do not fight self because you are bound to lose. By accepting, then you end all opposition and naturally, easily, self makes the adjustments necessary to allow for a different paradigm of reality experience. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Wow, I just heard the whole thing in a completely new way. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. And how does that feel?

ANYA: (Giggling) Like I feel like my mind got blown away for a little bit! I’m processing it.

KRIS: It does put a different spin on the issue, does it not?

ANYA: Yes, and it puts it into the “being” modality rather than the “doing” modality and that’s huge.

KRIS: It is why we have always urged and emphasized action, and THAT is THE action. As we have utilized an example many times before of someone looking for employment but not bothering to send out resumes or pound the pavement or seek job interviews, but instead simply decides to sit at home and watch the soap operas all day thinking “Surely now any moment I will get a top CEO position that will pay millions in dividends alone, never mind the salary! It does not matter if I have no experience, if I have done nothing else but work at McDonald’s.” Our emphasis on action implies also change the self to bring about the situation you desire. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: (Sighing) Yes. Thank you.

KRIS: You sense an immense relief?

ANYA: (Laughing) I do! Yeah, I do.

KRIS: We did not mean to kill the party!

ALAN: Well, Kris, this makes me wonder if what you are really saying is that what we do when we make a change like this is we change our focus from a self that we are to another self that we are that we are not recognizing and that that former self, after we change our focus, is still there and still has the problem, we’ve just shifted our awareness to a part of ourselves, or an aspect of ourselves, with which we were not say, identifying before.

KRIS: We would tend to mention that the struggle more so than anything is centered around the opposition to the change. The self desires the change, but is being opposed for a variety of reasons, including fear of the unknown, homeostasis and so many other situations that the individual has acquired. By assisting the self to put the fears into a different context, the shift of the paradigm will occur naturally thereby creating remissions from illnesses, transformations in any other human challenge situation. It is not then that you have taken a part of yourself that has a problem and shoved it back into the closet but instead have given that self an opportunity to naturally and easily experience more of itself. Any resistance to change actually diminishes self because it is based upon fear. Does that make any sense to you?

ALAN: Well yes, I’m still thinking in terms of the fact that we are choosing to change probabilities.

KRIS: Yes and that does not affect the old probability because it has also then automatically perceived an opportunity to balance its own issues, its own energies. It is not a part of you that is suddenly stuck with your challenge, but it has become part of the bridge towards a brand new experience, one that is filled with potential that it could not actualize previously, blocked by fears towards doing so. Does that make sense?

ALAN: I think so.

KRIS: (Pause) Consider for a moment your observation of a week ago about recognizing that certain aspects may have held onto parts of a challenge which would initiate an ongoing series of smaller conflicts even though it appears that on the one hand you have dealt with some issues in your corrections. Do you remember?

ALAN: Um, I’m starting to…

KRIS: (Humorously) Perhaps we should correct memory!

ALAN: Ha, ha ha! Or I should!

KRIS: You posted this on the discussion forum.

ALAN: (Recalling) Yes! Yes, I do.

KRIS: Indeed. That is part of the picture. Overall, by whether you call it coaching, initiating, facilitating, a rose by any other name, provide the opportunity for the self to recognize that it is not limited by any specific challenge or blockage, that it can accept the wholeness of its being, including the challenge, in order to be freed from it. You do not have a little old bit of self stuck under a rock still dealing with problems, but instead the whole Self now has received a new lease with which it can experience more of its abilities and possibilities. Thereby the problem more or less is overcome.

ALAN: All right.

KRIS: Another way to look at it is, the problem is the result of too narrow a worldview, thus it cannot, the self cannot, proceed forward. Provide the opportunity to embrace a larger worldview than the one that is stuck in the problem and you have now checkmated the situation. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: So does our recognition of an aspect or aspects that we might not have noticed before indicate this broadening of our worldview?

KRIS: Yes.

ALAN: Ah!

KRIS: And for some individual indeed, the progression may be slower than another, while for others it may be faster, but each at their own pace and it does not imply that if one can embrace transformation at a higher rate, that they are obviously more spiritual or advanced, that is simply the way they function. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Everyone has the glorious capabilities of moving within their range of energies in their own pace and there may be situations where the blockage or challenge is such that no amount of transformation seems to lead the individual beyond his or her conflict. That is not a sign of failure on the therapist’s part, nor is it a sign of a flawed individual, but instead the quite real possibility that the individual may have more of a need for that situation than he or she is willing to deal with at that time and until they make the final decision to allow the transformation then no outside assistance may bear fruit. These are few and far between. Now notice we have not suggested that this can also be used to raise the dead!

ALAN: (Chuckling)

TOM: Kris, I have a question along those lines. The energy configuration of ourselves and our various aspects, ourselves being an aspect; we change our own energy configuration, we do not look at these shadow issues and change and fix things, change the energy configuration for an aspect. I understand that that’s not possible, we do it for ourselves, and that affords them the opportunity to change themselves, as an aspect?

KRIS: As long as you understand that the various aspects of yourself are not separate from you. They are not necessarily like the next-door neighbor. Once you implement any kind of modality towards a different outcome of experience away from your stuck state, into and towards your desired state, it is you and any aspect of yourself that is slowly moving towards that outcome.

Now when you begin to transform your own self, then naturally, those aspects pertinent to the situation also naturally follow suit. There may be times when the transformation seems to be more of a challenge and therefore you would need to closely examine your own definition towards change and transformation. You may consciously desire a specific change but it may not necessarily be in your best interests in exactly the same way you are consciously desiring it. You may have to dig deeper.

TOM: Do we become a bridging aspect then, when we do transform our own energy structure? The other aspect begins to follow suit and it sort of, like we kind of led the way, or something like that?

KRIS: (Pause) You could say something like that.

TOM: (Chuckling) Okay… Not linear.

KRIS: Indeed. We need to be very specific here. Taking this too literally or linearly can also afford you a challenge because then you would be tempted to continue examining such a situation in a literal way and once you start delving with aspect psychology, the aspects do not follow your linear processes.

TOM: Right, they’re created in the now.

KRIS: Indeed. You have an unlimited bank of aspects because they are all fed off the same principle core Self, but that core Self is not bound by time and space or any kind of logic that you might understand. It follows more the intuitive logic, the logic of the inner self. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Any other inquiries?

ALAN: Well, just a quick one, Kris. I made a statement at the beginning of our practice session to Sohars (John) and Greensleeves (Anya) that I thought that people had a misconception of trying to locate a Higher Self and what is really happening is that this whole idea of aspects is showing us that the only way we can get to our Higher Self is to recognize that the Higher Self is a multiplicity and that these aspects are in fact leading us to that kind of recognition rather than the old idea of finding a divinity at the top of our pyramid for example.

KRIS: Indeed! The Higher Self is not some kind of a finished product like you would get a bottle of ketchup off the assembly line at Heinz Company. The Higher Self is literally a dynamic matrix of configurations. It is…. and even to use “living” in some ways is problematic because you have definite prejudices towards the differences between living and non-living, and yet all things are living. All things are vibrant. Thus, we must refer to one of Ruburt’s words: an eccentric model. It is the core model. This is non-static. It cannot even be defined. Words BARELY do it any justice whatsoever because words tend to limit and box. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yeah, I certainly do.

MARK: I’m reminded of Oversoul Seven who kept morphing from different focuses in his communications with Cyprus.

KRIS: Indeed, and Seven is, was, will be, has been all of these individuals simultaneously. Thus when you as Self, as an entity, decide to interact in the reality you call time/space, you take on a certain set of characteristics and you stay within those boundaries. And you do tend to forget that are an unlimited, eternal and immortal consciousness. Thus there is more to you and of you than any amount of logic and rationale can ever express within the context of time/space. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Absolutely, to me.

KRIS: Even just observing the flow of your own thoughts, you will notice easily that you cannot hold onto a specific thought even for a moment. You may mull it over in your mind and you will observe that even one single thought enables you to experience it from multiple angles, one after the other, because it too is transformed as rapidly as it comes into contact with what you would call your personality. Therefore it too, is in a constant state of flux as you are.

Those who would be seeking instead a solid, static, finished product, something at the end of the assembly line of perfection are in for a rude awakening. They may experience it momentarily once they are out of the system but their own behavior would lead them to recognize that their vision of this so-called perfection is nonexistent, for there is no such thing. That is why, in many ways, the Borg Queen always lost! In reference to Star Trek. Does that make some sense to you?

TOM: Mmhm.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?

TOM: Kris, I have a comment on the radio show this past week. I noticed sort of a different aspect during the presentation coming through as you were speaking and I felt kind of a resonance, a deeper resonance, with the presentation, the technical texture of the presentation and I was wondering if that was just an example of you calling upon an aspect that has a different perspective? Your own aspect, in presenting that material?

KRIS: That is correct. Consider whether it be our humble selves, tongue in cheek, of course, or your humble self, consider yourselves much like a kaleidoscope. Do you know what these devices are?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Every time you turn it, you get something different and yet it is all made from the same. Fractals are also very similar. Thus we are more aware of our aspects than you are. Your aspects could be what you call your other life focuses, probabilities, possibilities, any of these things, they are all aspects and they all exist in a vast, eternal now. Thus, all of the traits and characteristics exist and are available. And when you engage any kind of modality meant to bring you from your undesired situation towards your desired situation, you are then bringing into play the vast databank of aspects and literally engage that which fulfills you, enhances your values and fulfills you. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes, it does. And there are aspects that are, in our terms, much larger than we would want to pigeonhole them to be, just one personality at one age, each one of them goes on to be ancient, so they have a depth to them.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: It’s quite a resource.

KRIS: Indeed, it IS infinite. It is such a powerful resource that as we have hinted at, it takes… or in other words, you literally create entire universes to express some of those aspects. That is how much power is in this, that universes are necessary in order to express some of those configurations.

TOM: Wow.

ALAN: Kris, I noticed, and actually not just myself but in Arizona a number of us noticed, including Joseph, that during a break in a radio show, that your energies and delivery seemed to be taking a little different tone or direction and I assume that this is, in keeping with Tom’s question about expression by yourselves of a particular aspect, and if this is so I wonder if you would comment on what was going on that brought that out at that particular time.

KRIS: Indeed! Perhaps in reminding you of the theme for the year. Do you remember what it is?

ALAN: (Trying to recall) Oh boy!

TOM: Creative juices.

MARK: There we go.

ALAN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: Your creativity, your creative genius. Thus, when we more or less bring other aspects to play the game, much like the coach will bring other players to the basketball game or any kind of game to enhance the game, the audience reacts, does it not? It becomes more infused with enthusiasm. Thus when we play upon the energy of different aspects, naturally, even if you do not notice it consciously, YOU engage other aspects of your own being to be kept in the game. And when you notice it consciously, then those aspects of yours can have a more permanent home, as it were, become added to your own conscious data bank of potential influences, thus leading you naturally towards your own value fulfillment, more of what you were… and it is calorie free!

TOM: (Laughs) That makes sense.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Oh, that’s great, Kris. That really does hit.

KRIS: Any other inquiries?

CATHY: Hello Kris, this is Segova down in Delaware.

KRIS: Indeed.

CATHY: What you were talking about, I recently had a pretty intense experience with it, basically with one of my Tibetan Bon focuses. I was at a retreat for ten days learning an ancient healing system with a Tibetan teacher and part of it was actually becoming this Lama who brought the teaching, supposedly, to the planet. And within a few days I was very aware of my other focus who, as you know, I call H-13, or you called H-13, and Lama Doc and all that, and it was so familiar that I actually felt myself back in the Himalayas doing the practice there in the original days when they started doing this particular form of balancing elements and so forth. And it was startling and yet it was totally familiar and I think what you’re saying tonight really clarified a lot of the stuff for me in terms of making these aspects part of our everyday awareness in a sort of friendly way.

KRIS: Indeed, there are also interesting experimentations being carried on between Kwaa’Ji (Ellen) and Atin Khum (Emmy).

CATHY: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: These are also aspects because they also bring enrichment to all levels of the personality.

ELLEN: I’d like to bring a little something that Emmy and I went through a couple of nights ago. I talked to Serge about it earlier today, so I’ve been trying to think of a way to make it more concise (chuckling) but… Emmy and I were doing shadow work through the Tarot to try and break through certain issues, certain barriers. During the reading… and usually, when we’re doing something like this, we pretty much feel we’re almost totally in our focus selves, but this particular time we really both felt that our Essences were very close. I kept getting eyelid twitches, which is a common signal for me, and she did too, which is kind of UNCOMMON for her!

So we were kind of marveling over this and then we got to a particular card, which had to do with the shadow of inferiority and she felt the emergence of another focus, which was another World War II focus who had died at Auschwitz. She’s been very interested in this individual for quite some time now, and she felt like she was ready to speak for this person and then this person DID come through.

The energy was just so dense and so intense that it was a little bit disruptive and we couldn’t really [integrate it into the reading]…. but it opened up certain understandings about the similarity between the issues that Emmy has been working with, the blockages that she has, and also Yosef’s and this woman, Etty’s. So we were wondering was this a focus? Or what was this all about? Defrene came through later and Emmy wrote down and sent it to me and what Defrene said was that she was tapping into a world view of this individual and she seemed to hint that the reason we were feeling that both our Essences really were participating was that we were sort of co-creating this focus together.

Defrene said (Reading) “Essences co-create new focuses through uniting their energies, not unlike the physical counterpart: the manner in which two individuals physically will co-create children through the mixing and merging of their genetic material. When tapping into a worldview, like Emmy demonstrated last night, you add to its structure. You have a psychic intercourse, mixing and merging those abilities that will flourish in yet new offshoots and probabilities inside the rich personality structure that is always in formation. Essences are attracted to one another as they feel the latent abilities of the other in combination with their own latent abilities that will shine through and give birth to these abilities through new offshoots of themselves.”

And I’m wondering if you can add anything to that. I’m not sure…. Is she saying that we actually kind of created a new probability of the Etty Hillesum focus, or… or what exactly was going on there?

KRIS: Whether you utilize the word “create” or not, in some respects is moot because you are always doing exactly that. Even if you take a group of Americans and examine the perspective of each one in the group upon the individual of Abraham Lincoln for instance, there will be new combinations through that worldview, through that inner myth. Thus you would have different perspectives, each in accordance with the already present worldview of every single individual in the group, adding to that of the worldview originally known as Abraham Lincoln. Do you follow so far?

ELLEN: I think so.

KRIS: And this does not diminish the individual, Abraham Lincoln, nor each member of the group, but adds again to their growth. At that other level, other than the conscious mind, everyone will be benefitting in their own way. They would not have come together otherwise if it was not of benefit in one form or another. And whether you call it another focus, a world view, or a mix thereof, there is still validity to the experience, even if some segments of society would not consider it to have any validity whatsoever because validity is a highly individualized experience and what is non-valid to one is valid to another. And even one who claims there is no validity has had to examine the situation, therefore consider it valid to be able to then consider it non-valid. Do you follow that?

ELLEN: (Chuckling) Yeah, yeah.

KRIS: Thus, there is recognition at all levels. Thus, in that situation with yourself and Atin Khum, characteristics of the original individual were part of your experience. You simply gave it your point of view for your own growth and it still touched and resonated with the original world view of that person.

ELLEN: Yeah, yeah.

KRIS: Thus you added to yourself and to the original worldview, because even worldviews are not static. They are not a done deal. There is always growth and expression, even at that energetic layer.

ELLEN: And it was amazing because it created such a breakthrough in understanding and insight, especially what Emmy was seeing through her issues, the patterning that has been running through all these different focuses. That’s what was really important to me at the time. At the time, you know, she was fascinated by the mechanics of it and I was saying, “Oh, that’s neat, but look at the realization that you just made!”

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: But then later when I was reading what Defrene had to say, I was like Wow! It’s neat that you’re not in a vacuum. You can work together with other Essences.

KRIS: Indeed, in exactly the same way that you are not an island unto yourself, even if you are on a deserted island!

(Group laughter)

In this respect you are all interconnected through your very individualized worldviews. The Self has no boundaries. The boundaries only exist at the level of your ego construction for your own purposes, but outside of those boundaries you are connected to all. It could even be said quite nicely that everyone in the world is an aspect of you. We did say often that “the other is you.”

ELLEN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: Thus everyone else is an aspect of you, but at the same time, by the very same token, you are also an aspect of everyone else.

ELLEN: It sounds simple, but the realization of it is….

CATHY: Mind-blowing.

ELLEN: Mind-blowing, yes. Very hard to integrate.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: There’s a big issue about allowing and the more you allow…. There’s just something inside yourself you’ve got to free up and when you do, it’s like,

KRIS: How many times have you heard individuals claim that all is one, everyone is one, everyone is God, and so on and so forth?

ELLEN: (Chuckling)

KRIS: When someone speaks like this, they truly know nothing of what they say, they are simply parroting.

ELLEN: Exactly. They’d run for the roach spray the minute they’d think of allowing something in!

JEN: Or an exorcist!

ELLEN: (Laughs)

KRIS: That is why you are such sacred individuals. You are the one and the many simultaneously. Any other comments or observations? (Pause) Or would you prefer a small break?

ELLEN: Must be break time.

KRIS: Indeed, you most likely need an aspect break!

ELLEN: All my aspects!

(Group chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed then. We will return shortly.

(Break at 8:32 PM. Mark makes a humorous comment about how Kris opened the session by contradicting everything he ever taught us. Anya marvels about the quantum leaps in understandings and changes we as a group have collectively made within the past year. Kris returns at 8:43 PM.)

KRIS: Now lest any of you are thinking that we have contradicted materials that we have offered before, do reconsider your thinking and instead, give yourselves the opportunity to view it as taking previous material to the next stage. It does not contradict or invalidate, nor does what we say invalidate any modality utilized anywhere in the world at any time; modalities that are intended to create change. But instead, consider that you have additional information that gives you the opportunity to have a more in depth observation concerning any kind of modality utilized, that its intent is directed inwardly, even though a client or subject may utilize it in the conventional manner, thinking it will change their world. Because ultimately, yes, their world will change, their experience of it will change, but because they have offered themselves change. They have become more than previous. Does that make some sense to you?

MARK: Absolutely. You do realize I was being tongue in cheek.

KRIS: Are there any other observations? (Pause) Thus, also consider not only is everyone else in the world an aspect of you, that all of what you consider past lives, other lives, future lives, other focuses, also aspects or expressions of you, but so is every other historical era as such also an aspect of you and your own historical era. And simultaneously your own historical era is an aspect of others. The reality is held at the level of the worldview and that mythic dimension. How it is lived out or expressed through your daily actions is an aspect of that greater inner or subconscious worldview. Inner myth. In a manner that is convenient for you, that works for you. Does that also work for you?

MARK: Very much so. Even the planets, the planet Earth and the solar system and the galaxies, the way they behave, they can be said to be aspects of ourselves as well, correct?

KRIS: Do not tell NASA!

(Group laughter)

ALAN: I’m stretching for a better definition of the whole idea of aspects, I think, than the one I have now. I understand what you said in terms of an eccentric of a model, when I think about it that way…

KRIS: You are, in so many ways, an expression of the original without any loss whatsoever. Simply a configuration of that original model, but comparing yourself to a sub-development of town homes that all look the same simply will not do! You are not carbon copies in that way. You are all individualized expressions. You all have traits and characteristics that could not be expressed in quite that same way through any other aspect. Thus you are unique, but English language can at times be an impediment. You could say that you are also a specific approach to a concept that is without end but is infinite in its scope. If you consider what we suggested or mentioned earlier, that you need to create universes in order to express even a fraction of your being, there is therefore so much more to you, that you might need to invent a new language to do justice to the miracle of your being.

TOM: Kris, I have a question on the process of changing our energy configuration. My understanding is that we look for these realizations of why we form certain beliefs and we can talk to our personal subconscious, request that kind of information, then once we get that information, we have our realization, the next step is from that realization and by changing our actions, then we’ll let our personal unconscious know that we want to go to the next step and change our personal energy configuration to a different configuration. I’m trying to imagine what that would be like. That would take place in what we call the dream state then? From within that environment, our energy configuration would shift?

KRIS: You actually do not necessarily have to give a suggestion to that effect. The very act of changing incurs it immediately.

TOM: Our actions?

KRIS: Indeed. As soon as you modify your behavior to move towards your intended outcome to the desired state, your whole Self kicks in that mechanism so that your challenge or blockage is actually removed, because you move away from the challenge and towards the new state. And this is done naturally.

TOM: Okay.

KRIS: By taking it in such a literal fashion that you will then have to do this, might even encourage you to, how do we say?, put your intellectual nose where it might actually not necessarily be desired!

TOM: (Chuckling) Okay!

KRIS: This is part of a process that is done not on faith in the classic sense, but on biological faith that you move naturally to the desired state. That is in many respects the true meaning of evolution.

TOM: So it’s natural once we stop opposing it and it’s a different configuration of our energies, which means we’re kind of tuning in different aspects?

KRIS: Indeed. It is built into your neurology that you move in that direction as soon as you make that allowance.

ALAN: And isn’t that a function of what Seth called Framework 2?

KRIS: And Framework 1 responds to the promptings of Framework 2, or if you wish, worldviews. Thus you have this innate capacity in exactly the same way that the snake does not have to command his skin to shed. As soon as he has outgrown his skin’s capacity, it is shed. You do not see schools of snakes taking “Shedding 101″

ALAN: (Laughing)

KRIS: And in the same way, you do not necessarily, nor have you ever had to take courses in thinking. You think naturally. It is a natural occurrence. You were thinking before you were taught what to think, correct?

ALAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: That process is only inhibited when you resist, when you oppose it, when you get your intellectual nose in the way. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes, it does.

ALAN: I’m just thinking in terms of Tom’s original question that when we work on transforming and then simply get out of our own way, it is then this Framework 2 that leans in our direction, it sort of speeds the whole process up and brings it about.

KRIS: That is correct. In the same manner that you do not have to tell your left foot: “Now you move!” and then your right foot: “Now YOU move!” and then your left foot: “Now you move again!” because after awhile your feet will trip you up and say, “Hey! We know our job and we can do it much easier and faster than you! Kindly allow us to do what we do naturally and that is to take you where you want to go.”

TOM: Well, Kris, I know that we do have some effect on Framework 1 from within the dream state, I’m kind of wondering how can we use the dream state as a tool? Perhaps just to find our understandings there and then in Framework 1, once we have our realizations, then create the action? Then let the rest of the process kick in?

KRIS: You can request of your dreams to indicate to you those areas that you want to further understand so that you can move towards your goals, your desires.

TOM: So there’s nothing that we would do while being lucid…

KRIS: You can, again, suggest, even in the lucid state that you may experience varieties of hallucinations that indicate to you certain premises to be worked on. They may be representations and they may help direct your energies towards that end and at the same time, there needs to be a certain amount of freedom afforded to the self, trusting that your inner self actually knows what it is doing!

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: And sometimes you might even recognize that there are times when you or anyone else for that matter think you know better what you need than what your inner self knows. And that is often when you most get into conflict.

TOM: So basically just ask for help. Stay aware and see what happens.

KRIS: Indeed. If, for instance, as a child you tell your parents that you are hungry and they bring you food and you say, “No, I am hungry!” and they bring you food and you say “No, I am hungry!” and they bring you food and you say “No! I am hungry!” and later on you say to your elderly parents “You never fed me when I was a child and I told you I was hungry!”

TOM: Okay, what’s the lesson here?

(Laughter)

KRIS: The point being that often you ask, and this goes for all of you, often you ask and you are given, but you are so pre-occupied with the asking that you do not notice that you are being given. You even refute what is given you, saying “No! I am busy asking you what I want!” and your Self says “Yes, but we are bringing you what you want.” and you say, “No, I am busy right now. I am asking you for things that I want.” And eventually the Self says, “Okay, have it your way. We’ll just be here.”

TOM: Waiting for us to be ready to listen.

KRIS: Indeed. And often that is what makes a world of difference. Stop long enough asking to listen to the answer and lo and behold, what an answer you get! It can even be life changing.

TOM: That sometimes shows up as our re-occurring dreams. Recently the other night I had three of them and they were all three re-occurring dreams. And I’ve been kind of asking “What are the deeper issues?” and I got my three re-occurring dreams and I’m like, “Well, that’s great! Still those same three dreams.” But I guess I have to ask, I have to look at it differently, I don’t know.

KRIS: Ask for clarification and then pay attention to the emotions that come from the images of your re-occurring dreams.

TOM: Hmm… yes.

KRIS: And especially when emotions and emotional states and feeling states are a problem for an individual, the dreams will become more and more emotional in nature and the individual may say, “But I do not want to deal with emotions and feelings. They bother me!” And the dreams bring MORE feelings and emotions within them. What would that lesson be?

TOM: That the answer is there and that you need to look at those feelings and emotions and come to a realization based on those emotions and stop looking at the specifics of the dream.

KRIS: In part, yes, and at the same time to recognize it is not the emotions or feelings that are problems, but your reactions to them. That is quite a different ball of wax.

TOM: And we still go through that process of requesting that sort of trigger event…

KRIS: You may indeed.

TOM: Okay.

ANYA: I need some clarifications.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANYA: Thank you. When Tom was asking about realizations… when the realization occurs, does it mean that the realization is actually the indication that you or I…. that I changed? Or does it mean that realization is a realization and that I need to take actions and by taking actions, that’s how I’m changing me?

KRIS: The realization may include action and at the same time, pursue any other actions in line with the impulse towards your desired state. So you may in the dream state perceive situations that bring enlightenment on your situation. That will likely become the first step. Continue. You have your part to do as well and your part, whether it is yourself, or anyone else listening, is truly one of the greatest gifts you can offer yourself: actions towards your desired outcome.

If you wish for instance to experience love, a loving relationship, again do you sit at home watching soaps, stuffing your face with chocolates, and perhaps even forgetting to bathe and cleanse yourselves and your home, hoping that Prince Charming will break down the doors, haling that he has heard your call and he is now here for you. This may only happen in romance novels and soap operas. Reality is a different thing and in such a case, if you wish to attract a loving relationship, then ACT IN CONJUNCTION WITH BEING IN THAT KIND OF A STATE! Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Right, right, and what I’m noticing is that I can start making connections kind of like, Oh, let’s see what happens, or I can start taking actions. Actions actually, from the places where I’m going to make it happen. You know kind of like the more of a making a decision type of attitude and I think there will be a difference.

KRIS: Indeed, for instance, take the author of the series of books “Chicken Soup For the Soul.” What do you consider would have been the outcome if he had thought, “I have an idea for a nice little book. I will put my idea on paper and then publishers will run down my door. I will simply sit here and watch telly and they will all come to me wanting my book and I will soon, any day now, see six, eight, and ten figure amounts being deposited in my bank.” Where would his books be if he had done that?

ANYA: But would it be fair to say that if he were to align his belief systems a little bit better with his desired outcome, he probably would have taken less of an action to produce the desired outcome?

KRIS: Repeat that?

ANYA: Well, I am just thinking that maybe, how many rejections he got before he got published, maybe it’s the reflection of his belief system that was not supporting his desire for the book being published, so –

KRIS: Indeed, his belief systems obviously needed fine-tuning, but at the same time, that particular retrospect looked at from today’s position also indicates that his greatest challenge was his beliefs and persistence, which eventually brought fruit. Many, many bushels and baskets of fruits and the main aspect of that is his ability to always be active, to not fall into a state of despair because he was rejected after two or three publishers. He held onto his vision. He did not let go simply because of a few setbacks. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Yes, yes. Or he didn’t settle for less.

KRIS: That is correct.

ANYA: Than his vision was.

KRIS: And even though his vision may not necessarily have included over 130 rejections, his vision stayed the course and eventually also brought about that he is a world-famous author.

ANYA: So maybe that was part of the plan that his rejections were making his desire stronger.

KRIS: That is what he focused upon. Even if he was rejected, he would remain strong. So that was part of his experience. Now it is certain that others may follow in his example and perhaps not experience as many rejections, but still hold their vision strong and not let it go until the outcome began to appear. They may have to do less, but they will still need to act. You cannot, for instance, simply hold a book or novel or manuscript in your mind and think any day it will be published. You still live in a kind of experience where objectifying your inner states is how you manifest that reality. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Yes. So, on those days where he felt like when he was holding to his vision but he felt maybe uncomfortable with rejections, you still need to act or maybe a better way of doing it may be to find a way to get yourself into a more or less congruent state, and then acting.

KRIS: Indeed, and act in line with the desired outcome. Now, we believe it is time to return Joseph to you and we thank you all for your wonderful and generous consideration. And do understand that you can still use any modality desired.

ELLEN: (Softly) Including Tarot cards!

KRIS: Indeed! And know that the one that is truly being changed is you! And with that we thank you.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:12 PM)

Kris Radio: Clarifying Beliefs

June 11, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 12, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on ThatRadio.com and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am sitting here, to my right I have John Hawkins.

JOHN: Yes Mark, thank you very much, it’s wonderful to be back here on the 12th of June, it’s a beautiful, cool, sunny day here and of course we have our third, the third musketeer.

SERGE: Hi guys. So I’m to your right, and on my right is Mark Bukator.

MARK: And on my left this Serge, who nobody wants to name!

(Laughter)

SERGE: It’s that guy there.

MARK: It’s that guy that goes to sleep all the time, what’s his name?

(Laughter)

SERGE: He talks in his sleep, I hear.

MARK: So welcome back, we’re just waiting for Matt and Nicole, who should be on very soon, and… so how’s you week been, John?

JOHN: I’ve had a very interesting week actually, I’ve been reading Jane Roberts’ “Adventures In Consciousness”, what a splendid little book that is, and full of the most wonderful little information diagrams by Rob Butts. Highly recommend that book for anybody.

MARK: I haven’t read that one yet.

SERGE: Yeah I’ve… for as much as I’ve always appreciated Seth’s work, Jane’s own work has also been a very great source of inspiration, and actually an understanding of what the Seth material is all about, putting it in context with what it means to be alive and human, you know getting out of your head in into your life, that’s very, very, I find very grounding.

JOHN: Yes, Jane I think was not your average housewife of the ’60s.

(Laughter)

SERGE: No.

MARK: I don’t think so!

SERGE: No.

JOHN: Although, you know what’s interesting to me is you hear, I mean you get a real peek into their life! Both Jane and Robert’s writings, and they had a perfectly ordinary domestic… she did the cooking and I think he did the dishes or…

MARK: (Chuckling) I’ve heard that before, yeah.

JOHN: They split up the…

MARK: The chores.

JOHN: …the chores one way or another, and every day at about 4:00, Jane had to go stop her writing and go and prepare dinner! (Chuckling) She shot… her goal was to write for five hours everyday.

MARK: Wow.

JOHN: And if she didn’t write… get her five hours of writing in?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: She was really down on herself; she felt that it was a wasted day.

MARK: I wondered how they pumped out so many books in such a short period of time; I never understood that, now I know.

JOHN: Well, five hours a day, now that’s Jane’s writing.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Of course at night from 9 until 12, what… twice a week, she’s channeling Seth.

SERGE: Yup. I think in… from let’s say the late ’64? ’63, ’64? When she started to speak for Seth, until 1971, they had accumulated over 5000 typed pages, just Seth’s stuff, so that’s considerable.

MARK: Wow.

SERGE: That’s a lot of work.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Absolutely incredible.

JOHN: Well also when you consider the typewriters that had back then?

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: And Rob was doing shorthand!

JOHN: I heard somebody snort; it sounded like an Alan snort.

MARK: Alan, Matt?

JOHN: Have we got Alan?

MARK: Oh maybe it was just the mike there.

SERGE: It’s the mike here.

JOHN: Ah. Yes, astonishing work ethic, right? I mean when she was banging away on the typewriter in her workroom, Rob was in his painting studio doing his paintings if he wasn’t out making a living.

MARK: Well you think of it, when Seth was speaking, Rob was handwriting it.

JOHN: I know.

MARK: In his own short form.

SERGE: And then retyping it afterwards.

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: Usually in time for the next conversation so Jane could have a… go over, so that’s, that’s a lot of fast work as well.

MARK: Well yeah, it’s got to be, if they’re talking to Seth daily.

JOHN: Oh they weren’t…

SERGE: Well it wasn’t specifically for the books. It was twice a week.

JOHN: Couple times a week, I think.

SERGE: Yeah, and that was what… 9 to 12 about?

JOHN: 9 to 12, yeah.

SERGE: About three hours?

MARK: Wow.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: I’m humbled.

JOHN: Amazing.

SERGE: And that was not like Kris is doing here.

MARK: No, we’ve got technology and our side.

SERGE: But not only that, but Kris, Seth was (dictating) you know, “commas”, “periods”, “new paragraph”. All of… every single punctuation, he was also including…

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: …so that’s a lot.

JOHN: Kind of an anal guy wasn’t he?

SERGE: I’m not sure if he was really Sumari or Sumafi.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Maybe a little bit of both.

MARK: Yeah I think he had to be.

SERGE: He Sumafi somewhere. (Chuckling)

MARK: So we have some upcoming events I’d like to remind people about: “Hunting For Your Dreams”, a 2-day workshop in New Jersey, just on the other side of the river from New York.

SERGE: Yes, some people have already started to…

MARK: Sign up.

SERGE: …sign up for it.

MARK: That’s a good thing, the earlier the numbers for us, the better, cause we have to arrange for travel and flights and cross border stuff, so we’ve put in an August 10th date as the price goes up, so the early bird is before August 10th, sooner is better. And the workshop is September 6th and 7th and if you want to go to Krischronicles.com and hit that “workshops” button at the top, it will give you all the information you need!

SERGE: Yes!

MARK: Also we’re going to be starting, I keep… I say this every week (Chuckling) “So You Want To Change the World” I guess I’d better start by changing the website. (Chuckling) Serge and I obviously just been so extremely busy, we’re packing, we’re moving and of course we just got married…

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: …so we’ve been a little bit hectic and haven’t been able to get the details on that workshop, that Skype 6 – 7 week workshop, and… but we promise we’ll get it soon. Soon being 2008. (Chuckling)

JOHN: So how do you guys like being married, is there any difference?

MARK: There is, subtle, little…

SERGE: Yeah. We still do the cooking and the cleaning and the laundry.

MARK: It’s a change of perspective, really.

SERGE: Yes.

(Faint sirens start in the background)

MARK: So anything interesting happen this week?

(Sirens getting louder)

SERGE: Yeah, see it’s ten after seven.

MARK: Oh, cue the sirens!

SERGE: That’s right, almost on time.

MARK: Still waiting for Matt there. (Speaking to Randy) A little trouble, huh, a little bit of trouble? Matt you there?

NICOLE: Hello!

MATT: Yeah, can you hear us?

(Laughter)

MARK: Oh, hang on, I could barely hear you over the sirens.

SERGE: They’re particularly loud right now.

MARK: They’re announcing your presence.

NICOLE: Can you hear us?

MARK: Yes, yes.

MATT: We want to make a big entrance.

MARK: There we are.

JOHN: We hear you!

NICOLE: Oh!

JOHN: Welcome!

NICOLE: Hello everyone!

MARK: Hello! How’s the weather in Calgary?

MATT: I think we’re having a little microphone challenge this evening.

NICOLE: Oh my, just a tad bit.

MARK: Is that in your end or ours?

RANDY: No that’d be probably me, Randy Thomas’ end right here, so I apologize to everybody for that.

MATT: Beep! Beep! (Imitating s fire truck honking)

NICOLE: Randy, what’s going on?

MATT: Somebody slap his hand please.

RANDY: You know John would jump at that.

(Laughter)

NICOLE: Oh, Hi everyone!

MATT: You know it’s so nice to hear that music isn’t it?

NICOLE: Oh that (starts singing the Kris Radio theme song and Matt chimes in).

MARK: I sit here and hum it while it’s playing.

NICOLE: I know!

(Laughter)

NICOLE: Oh gosh…

MATT: Well that’s great.

NICOLE: …talk about a song to just get you prepared to hearing some great stuff, that’s such a
positive anchor.

MARK: It’s… definitely.

NICOLE: Great, great music.

MARK: Absolutely.

SERGE: Yeah, as soon as we start hearing it, it’s like you have a calming effect.

MARK: Yeah.

NICOLE: Yeah.

SERGE: It’s like a breath of…

MATT: That’s what it’s supposed to do! Yeah it pulls you into that state, it’s Kris time!

MARK: (Chuckling)

SERGE: Yes.

MATT: So tell us what the exciting things that you guys have been talking about in these last couple of weeks when we have been not here.

MARK: Well we’ve been talking about Speakers…

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: …nature…

JOHN: Yeah, Speakers.

MARK: …and you!

NICOLE: Oh!

MARK: “You” being everybody but…

JOHN: Well, not you, but…

(Laughter)

NICOLE: All of us. Yes, the “other”.

MATT: I was gonna say, when they… when you leave, they start talking about you.

(Laughter)

MARK: Yeah you missed a couple of really good chats there on nature and Speaker aspects of Self as well as nature and yeah, it’s pretty cool.

NICOLE: Wonderful. So do we wanna know what’s in store for this evening or is it all up for a surprise?

MARK: It’s a big surprise.

MATT: You know it sure is nice to know that there are diligent people working hard, so if I do miss a week or two or three, I can always go to Kris radio dot com and pull up the radio…

MARK: Kris Chronicles. (Chuckling)

MATT: Kris Chronicles, I’m sorry, Krischronicles.com and listen to the recordings. Almost the next day!

SERGE: (Jokingly) What do we have to host another website?

(Laughter)

MATT: No, backing down, backing down, you guys got enough stuff to do.

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: I’m actually in the process of setting up yet another website called “Dreams of the Gods” where I’m going to be posting all of the material from the Skype dream workshops, both the North American and European so that down the road, people can… want to… to participate, well read it and listen to it after the fact, and get that course, all’s they’d have to do is hit the PayPal button and then I set them up on the website, no longer having to worry about downloads, and me sending it and if the link’s working, it’ll just all be on that site, so that’s going to be amazing once it’s done.

NICOLE: Very nice, sounds like you’ve been busy.

MATT: Bill Gates will be proud of you!

(Chuckling)

JOHN: So is that dream workshop all transcribed?

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: Wow. Who did that?

SERGE: Dorothy did the North American…

JOHN: Bless here heart!

SERGE: …and Theresa did the European.

JOHN: Wow!

NICOLE: Wow.

SERGE: And they work pretty fast at it too.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Well that’s good to know. So you’ll have both the audio and the transcripts.

SERGE: Yes.

MATT: Wow, that’s awesome!

MARK: Hopefully, down the road, once we get this website thing, we set up a template, we can probably create one for every workshop that we have.

JOHN: Oh, that’s a good idea, yeah!

MARK: It’d be nice, for ease of use.

JOHN: Well I’m just still thinking about Rob typing that stuff out with a carbon, some carbon copy; he made a carbon of everything, right?

MARK: Oh, wow!

JOHN: And just banging away on those keys!

MARK: Remember when the carbon used to slip?

JOHN: Oh I know!

MARK: Or jam!

(Laughter)

JOHN: When you make one mistake…

NICOLE: Oh god…

JOHN: …on the page and you say “okay, am I gonna retype the page or am I gonna just white it out?”

MARK: Yeah they didn’t have correction, auto-correct back then.

SERGE: But they must, especially Rob, well probably both of them must have had the strongest fingertips in the world!

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: Well if she was on a typewriter for 5 hours everyday… wow.

ALAN: Hey guys, another duck hit the pond.

(Chuckling)

MARK: Here we go!

JOHN: Hi Alan.

NICOLE: Hi Alan!

SERGE: How are you Alan?

ALAN: I think I’ve been on Skype for five hours a day, trying to get connections made.

(Laughter)

MARK: Wow.

SERGE: So I guess there’s channeling and then Skpelling.

ALAN: Yeah, the channeling is much easier I think.

MARK: We keep making up these new words that keeps screwing up in my spell checker on these transcripts.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Yeah, exactly.

ALAN: Yeah, Mark you had another one about a week ago that had us all scratching our heads, I can’t remember what it was now but….

MARK: No?

ALAN: Some coin phrase.

MARK: Was it from me or Kris?

ALAN: No, it was from you!

MARK: Yeah. (Laughing)

ALAN: “Thinkative” I think, it was something like that.

MARK: That’s one of my favorite made up words. Very thinkative.

ALAN: Oh here becomes.

MARK: Here we go.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable.

MARK: Yes thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your generous consideration.

MARK: Thank you!

KRIS: We will likely speak about different subject matters this evening but to begin, we would like to revisit a favorite, the oft discussed and maligned beliefs. Still, after all these many years, there are scores of individuals who consider that beliefs are now the culprits. In some religious terms it would have been perhaps malicious spirits and so on and so forth, little gremlins.

Beliefs often are classified in same categories, and if a belief can more or less hold you back, then all beliefs must therefore be considered the enemy of the people. That simply demonstrates another aspect of victimhood, another representation of powerlessness and the need to blame something, and in this case, it be the beliefs. That somehow or other they are insidiously hidden within and must be ferreted out as in the old days you would simply get a rat dog to scoop up the rats in your yard or basement, therefore you get a belief dog.

MARK: A beliefanator. (Chuckling)

ALAN: Oh there you go again.

MARK: Couldn’t resist.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps a clarification may be of assistance to those who are still grappling with and trying to understand what this belief is, what are they? Are they the enemy of the people? Are they the source of confusion? And we would say they are neither. They are not your enemy; they are not the source of blockages, not in that sense of the word.

Beliefs are ideas that the individual has specifically empowered and usually out of good cause. Often out of a need to protect, as a survival mechanism, creating a certain kind of programming so that these ideas function and release their energies and their patterns autonomously, automatically without any further thought, consciously on your part. And it all runs very nicely in the background until such a time that you begin to experience a contraindicative situation in your life, where now you have the experience of a conflict with either a new or simply another belief that may also have been generated out of a need for survival and protection.

Thus, beliefs are then generated, created, established, recognized and so on and so forth in such a way that they allow the individual to function. There comes a time when the individual becomes bigger than the beliefs that are utilized to contain the parameters of the evolving personality. Do you follow that?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: That is when (the) individual begins to experience certain kinds of conflicts. By then, the original beliefs and their cause has long been forgotten, and it seems as if there is something deep within the individual that must be fished out. And in certain ways, that is not an exaggeration.

Now there are many teachings that say, “well, why don’t you just forget about all these beliefs things and just be joyous.” And it seems to be the kind of philosophy that has been espoused for a very long time, in spite of the fact that there is a high percentage of failure of that kind of philosophy. And mostly it is espoused and preached either out of plumb laziness and espoused out of laziness, or it is preached out of a lack of better understanding. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: We can suggest a fairly simple process to give yourselves a different understanding of beliefs, and when to garner for yourself the reasons why you began these particular belief in the first place, why you accepted to concentrate on this in the first place. Now the idea that all you have to do is to shoo it away is perhaps no different than putting something on the back burner, on your stove, and then thinking “let us forget about the stew that is stewing on the back burner. If we forget about the then it will go away.” Does it?

MARK: No. (Chuckling)

KRIS: You could indeed end up with a bigger mess. You could even end up with your house burnt down. Thus that particular idea may be effective for a very small percentage of individuals and that would have to depend upon the beliefs themselves and their simplicity. More complex constructions of beliefs may require what we will offer. And since most individual’s belief structures are such that they are more complex, then most individuals would greatly benefit from exploring what we are offering.

And that is to first of all, as we have mentioned before, when some event, regardless of its nature and expression has occurred in your life, and you catch yourself whining about “why is this happening to me”, understand immediately that part of your recourse has to do with beliefs of powerlessness and victimhood right off the bat. If you catch yourself uttering these thoughts or words, immediately put the brakes on because you are venturing towards powerlessness and victimhood. Back off, as it were. Put the engine in reverse, step away from the belief counter.

MARK: And nobody gets hurt. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: Yeah, really. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Secondly, remember that whatever the event and it’s source, you’ve created the originating believe out of an initial need to survive and protector yourself in the world, and that belief may no longer be functioning to your advantage, it has now become outdated and in need of transformation. And it’s influence; the events and situation experienced in your moment are a signal that these beliefs are in need of examination. Then, knowing that you have created this specific situation out of a need for protection and survival at some point in the past, ask your subconscious to indicate to you what benefits you from maintaining the belief in question. Do you follow?

JOHN: The payoff.

KRIS: Indeed. And it may be difficult for someone in a situation of stress to even think along those lines, but at the same time if you do make a concerted effort to visit this issue in this particular way, you can also detach yourself from your stress in order to gain some clarity and insight, it will slightly remove you from the situation sufficiently to think more clearly and lose the hot-headedness. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

(John confirms)

KRIS: Then list with pen and paper as many benefits or payoffs or secondary gains as possible – as the outcome of the situation. And you can further ask your subconscious mind to bring to you either specific feelings or images or communications in the dream state because this process will not be accomplished in five minutes and if you insist that it be done in five minutes, you will miss the point. Give it a little bit of time.

And asking your subconscious to bring about feelings, imagery or communications in dream states or through your intuitions, any particular communication that can trigger an initial memory of when it dawned on you to accept the particular mental actions as a fact of reality may bring about such a deepened state of awareness and even enlightenment, that you would literally gain a considerable amount of knowledge and wisdom in the functioning of your own inner processes so this encapsulates a great deal.

And as a followings step, allow yourself the consideration or the possibility that in knowing how you set this up in the first place, you now have a clear insightful understanding of what you did. And further make allowance to release the energy within that set of beliefs. And as a sub-domain of that particular step, you may indeed notice that per specific personality traits are relevant to the belief you have uncovered simply because the beliefs are accepted by various aspects of your own personality. Thus you have unique characteristics and traits that are influenced by that set of beliefs. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

(John confirms)

MARK: Very interesting.

KRIS: This can give you great insight into the very psychology of your own nature, and each individual will have a different perspective or point of view on this. Thus each psychological insight will be unique to the individual. And as a final process, give permission to yourself to begin accepting a new belief, a new idea, a new concept in line with your evolving personality where you may indeed feel less restricted and begin to act according to your new chosen beliefs.

MARK: That’s also pretty big because often we don’t allow for the new, for the change.

KRIS: Indeed not, most individuals simply want to stomp out the old, not thinking for one moment that they may indeed desire to eliminate all beliefs, and if one wanted to be truly sincere in that task, because even though they may say they what to then get rid of all their beliefs, they are not sincere because if they had to be sincere in eliminating all beliefs, they may also have to eradicate their own personality because it is the reflection of everything they believe about themselves. Do you follow?

MARK: Absolutely.

(John confirms)

KRIS: Beliefs are not an annoyance. They are the building blocks of your reality. They are the steel girders that support all the other structure that you pile upon it to make your house. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: That’s a useful analogy.

KRIS: It is very important to keep this in mind, that you will always be dealing with beliefs of one kind or another even when you believe that once you eliminate all your beliefs you will become Essence. Do you understand that?

MARK: Yes. The personality keeps going.

KRIS: If you function on those premises, you may be in for a surprise because you work as focused personalities with a specific range of frequencies, of thought modulations, patterns and so on, you call them beliefs. But in an entirely different arena or field of existence such as ourselves still function with the very kinds of notions that you interpret as beliefs. We understand their nature and we use them, you fight against them.

Thus we urge you that if you hear that all you have to do is drop these beliefs in the bucket and move on, as if, if you can forget them everything will be fine, then you might find that eventually you may drop them in the bucket but what you forgot to do is get rid of the bucket and it gets heavier and heavier because it truly never goes out of mind nor out of sight. You cannot escape the very structure of your being. Would it be to your advantage to lose weight by removing your bone structure?

JOHN: Not unless you wanna be a jellyfish! (Laughing)

KRIS: Indeed, some people are spineless. Thus you cannot eliminate or remove beliefs but you can work with the power of that creation. It is a powerful tool, does that make sense you?

JOHN: Yes and thank you very much for that process.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there any inquiries on that subject matter?

MATT: I have an inquiry about changing beliefs because it seems as if it’s the generally accepted principle that you should have to have the ability to change your beliefs and is it in your opinion, is there a specific way that somebody can help themselves to be more open-minded to changing their beliefs as opposed to getting stuck in the way that they perceive things?

KRIS: Firstly, the process we have outlined will provide the individual the opportunity to do just that. Now, phase two of such a project may indeed involve also little bit of sleuthing, in that the individual may desire to create an entirely different set of personal circumstances for their lives, which again must be constructed on beliefs. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Yes.

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: Thus, breaking old patterns and habits can be a great place to begin manufacturing new sets of beliefs, literally creating for yourself not only a new world, but a new set of eyes that allow you to see the world differently, based upon new beliefs. And there are bridging aspects in exactly the same way as there are bridging beliefs that carry you towards your newly desired outcome. And these are also based on beliefs that are being tried on for size, much in the same way that you would go and try on several suits for size before you decide on a particular suit that you will purchase, that you will make yours. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Thus it is possible, but changing beliefs is an oft tricky issue and it cannot be done by eliminating or vaporizing or frying the old beliefs out of existence or shooting them all to bits, but by understanding the nature of your personality structure, how you use beliefs to become the individual you are today, and this goes in line with value fulfillment, for as you put into effect the process we have offered, you will be expressing the fulfillment of your values because you will become more than what you were. Does that also make sense to you?

JOHN: That’s very nice.

MARK: Yes.

MATT: Yeah absolutely.

KRIS: It is difficult to tell which buzz is which. [Referring to the line noises from Skype.]

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Now are there other inquiries?

MARK: Nothing in Skypeland? How about a break?

KRIS: That is as you wish.

MARK: Indeed.

(Break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on ThatRadio and ThatChannel.com, and we’ve been talking about beliefs.

JOHN: Yes, very interesting discussion, now he did, Kris did hint, coming in he says “we’ll probably gonna be talking about some other stuff”…

MARK: I caught that.

JOHN: …but I just wanna make a few notes about the beliefs, and he gave us a wonderful process here, which I think, just from going through it, it’s similar to something I’ve been kind of noodling towards myself in some ways, so yeah, I can’t hardly wait to find some little vermin of a beliefs and get it eliminated.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: No, wait a minute, that’s not the way we’re talking.

(Laughter)

MARK: That’s good.

MATT: Belief hunting.

JOHN: Belief hunting.

(Laughter)

MARK: Be very, very quiet, we’re hunting beliefs.

MATT: You can get your own cable station. “John Hawkins: Belief Hunter.”

JOHN: It could be a reality show.

SERGE: Indiana Jones move over.

(Laughter)

JOHN: I could get these specially designed guns that shot beliefs, no collateral damage, we didn’t shoot you, just your beliefs.

SERGE: Belief Tasers.

ALAN: It could be a game show with the guy with the worst belief of the week would get a prize.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: There’s a lot of (unintelligible, cause he breaks out laughing)

JOHN: Poor Kris, I’m not sure he’s ready for us, but anyway.

KRIS: The question is: are you ready for yourself?

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: Once you have elaborated on the process we have offered, you may indeed begin immediately to solicit different behavior. Your old or regular behavior is generated by the influences of your beliefs; therefore acting in line with the beliefs that you want to create will begin to set the pattern. And that brings about the change and the transformations that lead you to a desired outcome. Do you have any other inquiries?

ALAN: Well I’ve got one, Kris. What do we do exactly with this limbo period when we’ve successfully… let’s say gotten rid of a negative belief and yet we haven’t gotten the new beliefs to take their place, how do we deal with this kind of a gray area when we don’t know quite what the heck it is we’re doing?

KRIS: That is why we suggested to begin behaving in line with your newly desired outcome, establishing the patterns of the new beliefs. Even though the may not be fully ingrained in your personality, at least you set the foundation, you point the ship of your life towards the new horizon. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yes it does.

MARK: So you’re always going to have beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Even if they’re transitory from one belief to the new belief, you’ve got all these little beliefs in between.

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: Otherwise there’d be big gaps in the field. (Chuckling)

MATT: So you don’t really release your beliefs or change your beliefs, you just accept them and release the energy connected to them and then focus in a different direction.

KRIS: Indeed and…

JOHN: Bingo.

KRIS: …specifically in the realization as to why you would have set up that kind of a survival behavior in the first place, be it 5 years or 25 years ago. The insights are there. They are available. You simply have to pay attention and that in itself can be sufficient for you to clearly see what you have set up, realize that at one time it was pertinent and absolutely essential that this belief be held in place. Now it is outdated, it is an old program, and it no longer suits the evolving personality that you are, thus you begin to establish a new idea. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes it’s certainly makes sense.

MARK: I think the operative word here is you “transform” your beliefs, you don’t just stop and give up on this one and start with a new one, you transform this one into that one.

KRIS: They are not like warts where you can simply cut them out or remove them. They are dynamic profiles – they contain much information. They contain the patterns of those aspects of your personality that you generated at that moment, that you integrated in the whole of your behavior. More or less, those dynamic patterns have no intention of simply being lopped off…

JOHN: Because they’re part of you!

KRIS: Indeed! Thus by working with them in a conscientious manner, with care and compassion, not simply pretending that if you hold your breath they will go away, but by acknowledging the whole Self, in that way, you give yourself a tremendous opportunity for greater wisdom about how you function. It is fine to say that you are all energy and everything is energy and all things are energy and all thoughts are energy and everything is energy, but after a while these pat answers can become quite boring and pathetic. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: You are complex creatures, and at the same time you are ever so simple in your approaches. Do notice we didn’t say simpletons.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: At least not everyone.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: So you have then with this process a simple enough opportunity to gain in much wisdom and knowledge about how you function. Does that make sense you?

MARK: Yes, that helps.

KRIS: And what better gift to give yourselves than the gift of knowledge and wisdom about whom and what you are. It is fine to understand that you are eternal and immortal consciousness, but will that truly be sufficient?

MARK: No.

KRIS: You still have to live your everyday life, you cannot immediately begin to walk through walls and live on air or a grain of rice a week. Thus have some gentle compassion for yourselves and explore the vast opportunities YOU have to enrich your life. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it’s a nice thought.

MARK: Yes, definitely.

KRIS: Are there other inquiries?

MATT: I’ve another question, what would be the biggest difference between some people who have a difficult time changing their beliefs as opposed to people who are more free to look at their beliefs and transform and move to other beliefs, what is the key reason why somebody holds on to that belief and how can they be more… I guess open to exploring their own?

KRIS: We would have to offer that the greater the resistance, the greater the difficulty, especially if the individual operates out of half-formed knowledge about the nature of beliefs and his personality. For instance as a young child, say that you did something that terribly upset your parents or one of them to the point where you could see the disappointment in their face, the disappointment in their tone, perhaps they even became angry and you feared rejection. You could have formed the idea that somehow or other you did something to displease the parent and this displeasure took into account the possibility of being rejected. That could amount to you being a bad child therefore acting in certain ways that displeases the parents becomes intolerable.

You may try to become the perfect child, you may try indeed to suppress anything in your persona, any creativity, any outbursts of simple pure living energy that you think may offend the parents, thinking that anything out of these boundaries is also bad, so you become quite rigid in your thinking and narrow in your mind and your whole personality becomes very two, and perhaps even one-dimensional.

You may over time have forgotten when this began but you would certainly notice your personality structure and its expressions, how it is unfolding or not. And you may maintain ideas about life that even are quite childish for an individual of a certain age. Thus by going through the process we have offered, you may come to recognize the observations and conclusions you came to as a child that doing certain things, behaving in certain ways, holding certain ideas can make you a bad child and you do not want to be a bad child because the bad child may get refused, rejected by the parent whom you want to have love you.

That can give you incredible insights into how you organize your thoughts and your beliefs and what you think about yourself and how you can release this and begin to behave and create new patterns, new actions. Do you follow?

MARK: Big time.

MATT: So you’re saying that the desire for approval, love and approval and acceptance creates a majority of our beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed. And this may turn out for some individuals to be quite an adventure, and for others to create situations in their lives that they do not want but they cannot understand why, considering themselves good people keep having bad things happened to them. Do you follow?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Because at the heart of the matter there is a child that believes that it is bad and it must be put away. Does that make sense?

MATT: Yes absolutely.

MARK: That really hit home for me… in a big way. But we’re out of time.

KRIS: Indeed. So you can see that beliefs are sometimes not so simple to put away but you do have a process that gives you (a) great deal of empowerment. And with that we thank you for your consideration.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Thanks Matt and Nicole and Alan. Good to hear your voices.

MATT: Thanks for having us.

MARK: Always. Stay tune…

MATT: Thanks for having us and congratulations and all the wonderful things that are happening for you guys.

MARK: (chuckling) Thank you. Stay tune for your “Heroic Journey of the Soul.” Goodnight everybody.

MATT: Goodnight guys.

(Session ends)

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