Kris Radio: Kris on “The Law of Attraction”

May 29, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 29, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on ThatRadio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am co-hosting tonight, and here on my right I have Johnny Hawkins.

JOHN: Yes, thank you Mark, and thank you for reminding me to introduce myself. This is Johnny Hawkins. (Chuckling)

MARK: A.K.A. “me!” (Laughing)

JOHN: And of course we are also joined with our friend.

SERGE: Me!

(Laughter)

MARK: Serge.

SERGE: Yeah, and I guess it reminds you that you are Johnny!

JOHN: Yes.

SERGE: Good!

JOHN: Cool.

MARK: And it’s Serge’s birthday today!

JOHN: Happy Birthday, Serge.

SERGE: Thank you.

MARK: Happy Birthday!

JOHN: 39 again!

MARK: Again?

SERGE: Yeah. It’s the best age one can be.

(Laughter)

MARK: So welcome back; it’s a beautiful, B-E-A-utiful day here in Toronto. Wonderful! We just came in from outside and it’s just so beautiful out there.

JOHN: Yes and we’re actually kind of starting in… don’t… don’t be too hard on us tonight kids, but we’re trying to be just a tiny bit more professional about getting this first 10 minutes of the show underway, and Mark, we’ve anointed Mark as the moderator, I hope you don’t mind, Mark.

MARK: (chuckling)

JOHN: I promoted you…

MARK: Let’s… let’s put me on the spot.

(Laughter)

MARK: Okay, so since I’m the moderator, there is something that I did want to bring up and it’s… I wanted to dedicate this radio show to the memory of Jane Roberts and Robert Butts.

JOHN: Oh, happy thought.

SERGE: Most people are aware, but many people are still not, that Robert Butts passed away two days ago…

MARK: Monday.

SERGE: …Monday at 2:00 p.m. in the very same hospital Jane passed away in 1984.

JOHN: Oh!

SERGE: So our memories are to him. I had… myself personally developed a nice relationship with Rob, I had written to him many times over the years and I visited him several times and I used to have a very interesting number of dreams that had Jane in there, and I would write to Rob and he said “yeah, we had that kind of a quarrel when we first got married: or “yeah, we had that piece of furniture in the office”, it was interesting.

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: The chair, the one that…

SERGE: Yeah, the chair that Jane used to roll on.

JOHN: Rocking chair?

SERGE: No, it’s an office chair that Jane used to roll on…

ALAN: Oh, that’s better.

SERGE: …because she couldn’t move around very much, and just… other things too, things very specific, like a kind of car that they used to have before they began all this stuff, that’s you know, not in the public information.

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: Just a very number of things like that and so all these communications and I’m sure the communications and letters and writings from hundreds and hundreds of people around the world are all in Yale, in the archives.

JOHN: Right. Probably you’re there too!

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Just to interrupt for a minute, I hear Alan on the line?

SERGE: Yes.

ALAN: Hey, yeah I’m here, Happy Birthday Serge!

SERGE: Thank you Alan, and Happy Birthday to you!

ALAN: Well it’s coming up!

SERGE: There you go!

(Laughter)

SERGE: And you’re 39 as well I think, huh?

ALAN: Yeah, multiples thereof.

(Laughter)

MARK: Squared or something!

SERGE: Only you and your hairdresser need to know that.

(Continued laughter)

MARK: How’s your weather down there?

ALAN: Oh hey, it’s great today; we’re having a beautiful spring day.

MARK: Any day with no snow down there is a great day.

(Chuckling)
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ALAN: Well fortunately I think we’re beyond that for the season but you never know.

MARK: Yeah you never know. Actually it’s funny because we had a really hot day this week and then we hit minus… we hit frost warnings one night, the following night, and now today it’s hot again.

SERGE: Yup. It is strange weather.

ALAN: Yeah they had the camera out on the street and everybody’s going by and you know, very summerly clothed, so.

MARK: On here on That Radio?

ALAN: Yeah, yeah, they were showing street scenes before you guys came on.

MARK: Did you see us walking up to the station?

(Laughter)

ALAN: No I missed that one.

MARK: Yeah that was neat.

JOHN: Yeah, we’re just getting used to being on TV here.

MARK: Some other things that we wanted to bring up is obviously the New York/New Jersey workshop.

SERGE: Yep.

MARK: June 6th and 7th and that is going to be on the New Jersey side, just across the river, and all information on that is on Krischronicles.com/workshops and or just Krischronicles.com, and click on the workshop button and all the information is there. Do you have anything John?

JOHN: I’m sorry I was looking at myself in the monitor.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well I’m a newbie at this.

MARK: It can be distracting.

JOHN: What was I gonna say? Oh I wanted to just share with people, in thinking about Jane Roberts, I’m reading her book “The God of Jane” and my goodness! What a wonderful, wonderful, honest, sincere, straightforward and deeply, deeply, wise writer she is/was/will be, you know, I mean it’s all fabulous. “The God of Jane” really is…

And here’s another thing that I think we need to call Kris on this one day, because point after point, idea after idea, even in terminology. Jane finishes one paragraph in “The God of Jane” by saying blah, blah, blah, and all these questions and is it you know, religions and science and psychology are all screwing us up and she says “the problem is that we don’t even know who and what we are.” (Chuckling) Heard that before?

MARK: Indeed. (Chuckling) Yeah, I have to say, I never knew either one of them but I found this past week I’ve been in a… almost a deep state of introspection and it’s caught me off-guard in a way, I wasn’t expecting that, and I guess there’s a lot closer bond than I realized. I know Kris has told me in the past that I’m counter-parted with Rob just as Serge was counter-parted with Jane in an effort to… so we could hit the ground running so to speak, and get that head start on the material, and I don’t know, I just found myself very thinkative lately and wild dreams.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

SERGE: One of my fondest memories of Rob… it was the first time I visited him at the “house on the hill” or the “hill house” in Elmira. He gave me directions and he said you know, “drive around, go to the back, there’s a place to park and knock at the back kitchen door.” And for some reason, (phone rings, pauses for a moment) I had made in my mind this image of Rob as a very big, tall man for some reason, and I knock at the back door, it’s just a screen door with a little latch you know, and this very thin, frail forearm and hand… (Chuckling)

JOHN: Really?

SERGE: …you know, flips up the latch and opens the door and there’s this little guy about 5 ft. 6 maybe… (Chuckling)

JOHN: You’re kidding!

SERGE: …long hair, gray, grayish hair.

MARK: Ponytail wasn’t it?

SERGE: And it was so bizarre for me, it was a shock, but I realized afterwards that I had you know, so loved his writing, and his notes and introspection and stuff, that to me, I kind of thought of him as this giant intellectual person…

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: He was bigger than life.

SERGE: …and then you know, it just vanished in a second, and it was… he’s was a really, he’s a really cool guy, seemed unaffected by whatever, he just goes with the flow and there it is.

MARK: We have a caller from Florida.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Okay!

MARK: One second, let me plug this phone.

JOHN: Well that’s unusual to get a caller this early in the program… just filling in time here.

MARK: There it is.

JOHN: There we go.

MARK: We were totally unprepared for a phone call so please forgive us.

SERGE: So I guess I need that? (In reference to setting up for the call)

MARK: Hit the button.

(Producer in the background “just hit the blue button”)

MARK: Hello caller?

CALLER: Yes!

MARK: Hi, you’re on the air!

CALLER: Oh great! (Chuckling) I was just wondering if I could pose a question even if you use it later in the evening when Kris is on?

MARK: Okay, what’s your name, first of all?

STEVE: My name is Steve, I’m calling from Florida and I just had actually, my first session with Kris last week, so I’m relatively new to the show, so I apologize, I wasn’t sure of the format or anything.

MARK: Welcome aboard! (Chuckling) Go ahead, what’s your question?

STEVE: I was just wondering, actually kind of transitioning from working pretty intensely with the Abraham material over the past 4 years and I’ve never… in the (web) archives and in the (radio) show, I’ve never really heard Kris reference any of the material and specifically “the law of attraction” and didn’t know what his translation of that would be, and his view on that would be, and I guess in my own bridging of that material to this material, I’m trying to kinda segue the two together and make that transition myself, so any bridges he could make on that subject would be wonderful.

MARK: Okay, we’ll definitely…well he’s definitely heard the question, we’ll… hopefully when he comes through he’ll answer that.

STEVE: Oh that’d be wonderful, thank you so much.

MARK: Okay, thanks for calling.

STEVE: Thanks, bye.

MARK: Bye.

SERGE: (chuckling) So we’ll keep that in mind and hopefully Kris will address it when he comes in. Anyways, so that first meeting with Rob in person was very revealing to me and I found him to be such an accommodating gentle quite person, showed me around the house and where the sessions with Jane and Seth were being held in the living room and Jane’s rocker, and the room where he had all of the typed out materials, which was almost like floor to ceiling, wall to wall of boxes all organized with this and that and that, and there was the room too, where he had all the paintings he was working on, Jane’s paint work, artwork was there as well as his, there was his paint room and also, he was showing me the things that he was starting to, that he was copying on acid-free paper for the archives at Yale – It was a lot of material, it was steady constant work.

JOHN: Oh my goodness!

SERGE: It was surprising that this was in the early ’90s so you know, not THAT long after Jane passed away, and I found him to be, even for his age, more active and on the go than men half his age! And he was still full of vitality, you could… just being around him you know, there was never any like, stop at all, he was just always going.

MARK: Well he… on Monday when he passed away, he had only entered the hospital a few days earlier and was working on… normally on all the transcripts and so on and so forth, and he was just weeks away from his 89th birthday!

SERGE: Yup. So it will be interesting to see what other materials come out. I expect that they’ll come out with New Age Awareness, Rick Stack’s publishing company that has published the deleted material and The Early Sessions and there may be some more stuff coming up!

MARK: Great! One more announcement before we talk about last show, and that is, immediately following this show, Serge, Kris and I will be interviewed on the next show which is Taylor Green’s “The Hero’s Journey”? I believe? Yes. And that’ll be at 8 here on ThatRadio and ThatChannel.com. So John, do you remember what last week’s show was about?

JOHN: I believe the title was “What Is the World Made Of?”

MARK: Exactly. Cheese. (Chuckling)

SERGE: No, that’s the moon. (Chuckling)

JOHN: And it turns out of course that the world is made of you!

MARK: Exactly.

JOHN: Or me.

MARK: Beliefs, feelings, all kinds of neat things.

JOHN: And yes, that was very interesting. The kicker for me was towards the end of that show when he talked about… what we talked as a group actually, about the difference between simply saying, “okay, I created this thing I don’t like, how can I get rid of it?” Like you gave the example of a rainy day, and what he suggested as an alternative to that was to say “okay, here’s a rainy day that I did indeed create, at various levels, what does that mean?”

MARK: He also said something to the effect that you ARE that rainy day.

JOHN: Yes!

MARK: Not that you created it. That is you – that is your expression.

JOHN: Yes. And the question becomes “how is the rainy day expressing my energies right now?”

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: And that’s… I have found that to be very helpful.

MARK: Very profound, I agree.

JOHN: And he you know, of course he went on to talk about a number of other ways in which the world is… the world is you.

MARK: And the presuppositions that we use to create the world. And right on cue (chuckling) or a little late actually but… (Laughing)

KRIS: As is our custom, you must be made to sweat somewhat.

(Laughter)

KRIS: After all you only carry the first 10 minutes – we carry the next…

JOHN: 50.

KRIS: Indeed! Now in continuing your rendition, not only do you do yourself a disservice if you notice for instance that the day is somewhat drowsy and rainy. First of all, not much you can do can actually stop the process; you cannot plug the clouds as it were. However you might be able to recognize that the day may on the one hand, interfere with some ideas or plans that you had formulated for yourself. And with a little bit of creativity and even genius, you might indeed notice that you have other ideas and resources you can use for such a day. Other plans for a rainy day, pun fully intended…

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And you might be able to take advantage of that day in ways that had not crossed your mind before, bringing you a peaceful mindset, taking advantage of moments you would not otherwise afford yourself. And instead of fighting and bringing down the heavens because they dared rain on your parade, you might just have fun. And the same can apply to so many other situations that you experience, living day in and day out. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: So it is an opportunity to learn more about your self again.

MARK: It’s a good day for introspection.

KRIS: Any day is a good day for something.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: I think we should get that printed up on bumper stickers.

KRIS: Now we believe you had a caller.

MARK: Yes. And the caller was basically asking for a bridge between your material and the “law of Attraction”, or your comments on the “Law of Attraction.”

KRIS: Now even though the words “Law of Attraction” have been touted left, right, and center in all manner of circles and acquaintances, it simply boils down to the basic principle that you get what you concentrate upon. The unfortunate aspect of the hyperbole concerning the law of attraction is that it focuses for the most part, only and solely upon the few thoughts at the surface-most level of your awareness, as if there is nothing else to you but the few thoughts that you entertain, perhaps going to the circus, getting some cotton candy, seeing the clowns, that is only a small part of some of the thought processes you entertain during any given moment.

There are however many other layers to your experience of Self that entertain far different and even deeper experiences. And these have to be taken into consideration in many different ways because they too are things to you concentrate upon. Now we have often spoken of the conscious and subconscious mind, and even though the appellations or labels are artificial, you have one mind with a variety of states all juxtaposed one within the other, and these flow in and out of your awareness as easily as varieties of clouds flow across the sky. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

(John confirms)

KRIS: Each different state or aspect, as we are exploring with aspect therapy, contains its own sets of values and belief structures that generates specific personas, and these also have tremendous influence into the experiences of your reality. These are also things that you concentrate upon, and it is to your advantage to pay attention, to listen to your inner dialogue because it leads you into very same territory Alice in Wonderland traveled, minus magic mushrooms and cookies…

JOHN: Aw!

KRIS: …but certainly with Cheshire cats.

JOHN: Oh good.

KRIS: Some individuals may interpret Alice’s journey to be little more than an opium-induced trip by the author, however it is also significant as an inner journey, meeting her own fears and some of her worst fears at that. And many individuals consider that the subconscious, those deeper aspects of their own selves, are also filled with the all sorts of nefarious gremlins and hobgoblins, however that is not necessarily true.

Once you get over that particular idea and begin to draw to yourself some of the more magnificent, genius aspects of your personality, the experiences of your lives will be transformed and in a powerful manner. And that is why in many respects we are holding the aspect therapy course, to bring individuals to that threshold, but that threshold cannot be reached unless you clear out some of the weeds in the garden. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Sure and maybe take a weed whacker to some of the gremlins. No, I’m kidding, no, we didn’t, we didn’t. We don’t do that. (Laughing)

KRIS: Though it is important to understand that this is a universal truth that you get what you focus or concentrate upon, the law of attraction is a fancy hyperbole way of stating the same thing but in a much watered-down selection. Not necessarily conveying that, even though you may concentrate on things, do not expect a sack of money to crash through the roof and make you a billionaire within the next 20 minutes. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: As Joseph and Philip have found out, the very prolific author of the “Chicken Soup for the Soul” series did not magically come up with the idea for the books, and the next day checks popped into his mailbox and money showed up in his bank account. The author was turned down by over 130 publishers.

JOHN: All of whom are kicking themselves now.

KRIS: Indeed! And when one publisher indeed did decide to take a chance on this unknown author with big ideas, the publisher made certain that the author bought 20,000 copies of his own book, just so the publisher would not be left holding the bag.

JOHN: There you go.

KRIS: But it was a beginning. So it involves action, as it as we have always stated, your dreams are powerful things indeed, but they will not carry you through your final outcome unless you act upon them in one form or another. It is the lazy man’s way to think that all he need do is send out resumes and sit at home watching TV. No job comes that way. So it is a matter of also being practical and realistic in the basic sense of the word, but at the same time taking action when necessary and when appropriate so that the universe and your desires come together and create outcome. So it is it not for the faint of heart, it does not work by clicking your heels three times.

JOHN: (whispering and kidding) Oh darn!

KRIS: Four times.

(Laughter)

KRIS: That is the missing key. So do understand that we are merely trying to clarify the subject matter, and the idea that you get what you concentrate upon gives you two things right away. That your present life situation is the result of what you have concentrated upon, which includes choices, choices you have made in your life. And if indeed there are situations evolving in your life that you are not pleased about, you can choose a different path, you can alter your behavior and you can create something entirely different and act upon that. So it is both a key to liberation and a key to power because it is empowering to know that what you get is the result of what you concentrated upon.

MARK: And another misnomer about “you create your own reality” in conscious creation, when you say you create, people feel that they can just create out of thin air, but the truth is…

KRIS: Indeed. Harry Potter is merely the figment of an author’s imaginings.

MARK: …but the truth is we don’t really create, we TRANSFORM our reality.

KRIS: Indeed. All of the necessary accoutrements to form or transform one state of consciousness into another is innate to your nature, it is something you do so naturally, you often did not pay attention to the process at all, but it is innate to your nature and it functions whether you believe it or not and will continue to do that whether you believe it or not. Thus from our perspective, it is to your advantage to notice what you do naturally and then take advantage of such a powerful resource, transform what is within your emotional creative nature and see it gradually become part of your living experience. And do understand that the universe is not necessarily on the same timetable as you, you may want what you want now, but it may only come five minutes later. Are you willing to wait?

MARK: Grant me patience NOW! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. We trust that this assists the caller and any others, and do understand it is a powerful expression of your being, learn to utilize it wisely for more than simply creating parking spaces.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Or even big checks! Well may I follow up that with a quick question Kris?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Listening carefully, there’s a difference, you are suggesting between “you get what you concentrate on.” Now, there’s a difference though between concentrating on something, that process, and our conscious attention, where we are placing our conscious attention, so that just saying a mantra “Oh, I’m now a millionaire” and you know, “cute as well.”

KRIS: Do you want to be a cute millionaire?

JOHN: Yeah, yeah.

(Mark’s chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: So the… but that’s just me at the conscious level…

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: …as you say, there’s a great deal more going on. Now the question I have for you is this: “what’s the difference between concentrating on something and where we place our conscious attention?”

KRIS: Indeed. Your conscious attention actually is very fleeting – it is like a butterfly.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Your concentration however, signifies entering into a deep trance state.

JOHN: Oh!

KRIS: It is not unlike a hypnotic state. Your conscious attention is being widened at that time. It is being widened and deepened so you become far more aware of the processes that are active and alive within you, as opposed to only one or two things. And in that particular kind of a state, you can easily recognize any blockages to your desired outcome, make the necessary modifications, as well as intensify your energies towards your desired outcome.

JOHN: So the various adventures in practice that we’ve been doing for several years now are an example of what you’re talking about then.

KRIS: That is correct.

JOHN: So that would be going in and working with what we’re concentrating on as opposed to where…

KRIS: That is also correct.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: For example, many people want to create instant wealth, they want to focus their attention on six or eight or ten or twelve digits in their bank account, even though they may only have one or two digits, and they want that tomorrow. Now, from our perspective, wanting the increase in finances is a significant mention of other states because it indicates that you do not have thus you want. And if you do not have and you want, then you are expressing lack. And you are expressing lack mainly because what you want is happiness, not the money.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Because it is a very clear statement to recognize that it is not success that brings happiness but it is happiness that brings success. Thus if you want to manifest millions of dollars and are unable to actually have happiness to begin with, then the millions of dollars will slip through your fingers like water through a sieve.

JOHN: Right and from the way you’ve been describe… developing these ideas, if you want a million dollars tomorrow, what’s really going on is that you’re concentrating, unbeknownst to yourself, on being unhappy.

KRIS: Indeed because you may not recognize that the true core issue is not the money, but it is your unhappiness. And you may well realize that once you have the keys to your happiness, perhaps 500,000 might be more than enough for a lifetime of joyous adventures.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Or 500 million, and that will follow your desire.

JOHN: Right. Okay well that’s very good, thank you very much.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there any inquiries in Skype-landia?

ALAN: Well first thing that came to my mind when you were talking about that is actually the wanting of it, doesn’t that in itself defeat the purpose because it creates more of the wanting? In other words more of the lack? I hadn’t thought of the happiness angle but it always seems to me that whenever you think you really want something, you’re actually getting in the way of it by the wanting.

KRIS: Indeed because it is in many respects counterproductive and opposing. And if you do consider that you only want that because you want happiness, then why not go for the gusto first, go for the happiness. It is much easier to attain than millions of dollars because millions of dollars can come and go, and you may never find happiness, but if you find happiness, millions of dollars can come and go and you are somewhat deliciously detached from that experience whether you have millions or lose them or make them will not affect the flame of your happiness. Does that make sense?

MARK: Absolutely.

ALAN: Well sure but does it also…

KRIS: We do understand that in some quarters we are truly being sacrilegious. Do continue.

ALAN: Well I was just gonna say that you know, wanting the happiness would cause the same problem wouldn’t it? And that is you’d be focusing on what you didn’t have rather then on what you did, what you were…

KRIS: Only to a certain degree; If you search high and low and everywhere and anywhere for things to make you happy, which will only emphasize that you are not happy, but if you work on happiness, it is a very easy thing to tap and to develop and to recognize, and it never goes away, it cannot be influenced by lack thereof of anything or abundance thereof of anything, the happiness is the true wealth. Does that make some sense to you?

ALAN: Certainly.

MARK: The trick here is to find the little joys and the little happinesses in everything that you’re doing, and then as you focus on those, you begin to focus on those and therefore the universe creates more!

KRIS: Indeed. It is not unlike when you bump your big toe and lo and behold, for the next two or three days, that is all you do, you keep bumping that big toe because you are extraordinarily focused on avoiding bumping it. Happiness however, already exists naturally as a state within every human being. It is possible to deny it, to bury it but it is not possible to extinguish it. Thus accessing that state is far easier than anything else you have ever done.

And when you tell yourself that you want the big car, the big bank account, when you what the mistress as a means to make you happy, then you should take that as an indication that your Inner Self is saying “hey, look here, not over there, look inside here, you are afraid that you will never be happy so you do not look where you need to look. You need to look here, in the heart, in that place where you are always safe, and if you enter into that place, you may let go of your fears, of your shields, your barriers, your blockages, they may even dissolve because you are now connecting with home, with the heart.” Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yup, lovely sense.

MARK: You know what I really want?

JOHN: What?

MARK: A smaller big toe.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well I got one more question before we go to break, if that’s appropriate Kris.

KRIS: As you wish.

JOHN: We talked about aspects earlier and I just wanted to clarify my understanding. I’ve seen it written that aspects, I’m thinking about aspect therapy, aspect psychology here, Jane’s work, I’ve seen it said that aspects are other focal awarenesses bleeding through into this particular focal awareness. Now my understanding, just intuitively of aspects is that, sure it’s that, but more than that, it’s other aspects of this focal personality that are getting some airtime that are not necessarily associated with other focals. Is that clear?

KRIS: Somewhat. Do not worry about it.

JOHN: Alright.

KRIS: Consider for instance, as purely an example on a geographical and national scale. Take England for instance. Now one can assume that the English are all the same because they live in England.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: However that is a false assumption.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: There are many, many counties in England and almost all of them have a different dialect for instance. Most of them have their own unique folklore.

JOHN: Different cheeses.

KRIS: As well, different bangers and mash, different ales, their own customs, their own folklore and even some of their own local beliefs and customs.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Quite different from their neighbors. And yet, that is all of England. Thus each of these different counties can be said to be aspects of England.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: They each have their own unique traits and characteristics and together, they embellish the whole of the nation but they are still distinct individual counties. Similarly, the human personality structure also has varieties of clusters of traits and characteristics, and thanks to your wonderfully creative and capable ego construction, everything seems to flow rather evenly and nicely. Though there are times in some personalities, the flow is not so smooth; it becomes sometimes even erratic. These various aspects, as far as the human personality is concerned, also revolve around unique sets of beliefs. So you have a complex structure – that is why we refer to it as the human personality structure. It is a composite structure and yet it flows very nicely in one-way or another, so that it rather appears polished. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Even within an individual, there are also different kinds of aspects, and if you notice, little children playing with their dolls and toys, little girls playing house, one moment the little girl is simply being herself, then she becomes mommy or daddy and the dolls become her.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And you can be assured that what she would demonstrate next is a pure replication of how she perceives her treatment at the hands of her parents.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Thus, her becoming the parent may severely criticize her dollies for the most innocent transgressions possible, in the very same way she is aggressively judged and criticize or she may become very complimentary and positive and constructive, again according to HER receiving. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: So that little girl is already beginning to create a portion of her personality into an aspect that will contain the voices and even the paradigms and the behaviors of that parent voice within her.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It will stay within for the rest of her life. She will also have the child within and many other aspects, and she is constructing them, every child will construct the aspects. In some cases, the constructed aspects become so overwhelming that the personality breaks down. You may see some of that in certain individuals you label schizophrenics.

JOHN: Now just to clarify my understanding, so far we haven’t really touched on the idea of the other focals bleeding through and that being thought of as an aspect as well?

KRIS: That is correct. The other focals bleeding through are not bleeding through from another dimension, they are still contained within the structure of your own personality, they simply come more to the forefront than any other time and this applies both at the levels of Essence and personality.

JOHN: So my… when you speak of my personality structure, you’re talking about my personality structure as Sohars.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: I get it, okay, never mind.

KRIS: So when you say other focuses and aspects may come from or bleed through from other dimensions, know that that dimension is always you.

JOHN: It’s all me.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I get it.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yup, big breakthrough here, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed, then enjoy one aspect of your breaks.

JOHN: Thank you.

MARK: Thank you.

(Musical interlude break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on ThatRadio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark, and I’m hitting sitting here with John and Serge and Alan on Skype, and we’ve sort of had almost an open session here.

JOHN: A very interesting session I thought so far, a lot of different aspects to it.

(Chuckling)

MARK: A nice little chat on the law of attraction and conscious creation and aspect therapy.

JOHN: Some nice clarification on the difference between what you concentrate on and what you pay attention to.

MARK: Big difference, BIG difference. Any questions?

ALAN: You know there was a question on Skype on that too.

JOHN: Was there?

ALAN: On knowing the difference between unconscious parts of ourselves that we’re not aware of, how those parts set goals and achieve them versus how we do as waking individual consciousness. I guess what the idea of if we understood how deeper levels of our Self set goals and achieve things, would that help that in the conscious level, on the waking level to do the same thing?

JOHN: Good question Alan; we may get an answer here momentarily.

KRIS: Indeed. Now do understand that your Self does not work at creating opposition. You do not create disparaging states within yourself. Each aspect under the auspice of your creativity ego seeks to create and generate a harmonious congruent state. States are considered non-congruent or stuck only when you express conflict from one aspect to another and are unable to bridge those various aspects, thus your own personality exhibits symptoms as it were, perhaps you become conflicted, you become upset, frustrated mainly because you would not be paying attention to. And a good question to ask yourself or one’s Self is “what are you listening to?”

Now immediately, people would say “well I am listening to CHEZ FM, I am listening to 102.6 radio, I am listening to Chopin, I am missing to Bach, I am listening to my children” and notice what they are indeed listening to: everything outside. Very few people listen to what is going on inside, few people listen to their inner dialogue, even though the uppermost portions of that inner dialogue may be self-critical, discounting and so on. It is easy indeed to dive deeper into those inner dialogues and to begin to understand the conversations and communications that exists between various states of the Self, and in understanding where there may be conflict, then it is much easier to sort out issues that are in need of having wrinkles unwrinkled as it were.

Consider for a moment, you want to go downtown but a part of you says “well, if you go downtown, we will miss the show on the television” and you may even be of a third mind that says “well if you go downtown, what about this thing that you wanted to do?” So you might be of two or three minds on the subject matter, each inner conversation you have at that level represents various states, some which may be in conflict one with the other, but you can always find a resolution and become congruent and therefore decide, perhaps even through the issues of compromise, to go downtown and do the rest later or to stay home and go downtown later or not go downtown and not stay home and do something else. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: So that is one way to begin to identify some of the various incongruent states that you experience and it is not a mystery and it is not difficult indeed to pay attention, what you listening to? What kind of inner dialogue are you listening to? Are there any other inquiries?

JOHN: We just have one, it’s kind of a that topical inquiry from a woman named Gilla on the Kris Chronicles forum, she is asking about the earthquake in China and the typhoon or whatever it was in Burma/Myanmar and various situations like that in the world today. She has the impulse to want to offer help and to she doesn’t know how to go about it and she also feels guilty that her life is going along just fine and these people are suffering.

KRIS: Indeed, a most worthwhile inquiry. Quite likely, many, many thousands and thousands of individuals experiencing something similar in their own way, perhaps even on a daily basis. Now, we could, like many others offer pat answers, “the others have created that and it is their choice” and move on from there. But it is sometimes even a callous perspective and pat answer to offer and it truly is an empty parroting.

You are all social creatures; you feel for each other just as you would desire someone to feel for you whether you know you create your situation or not, it is simple basic human nature. In such situations, the individual or any individual may desire to do many things to assist others. Our suggestion is merely to approach it from a practical perspective. If say, you want to donate funds, to send aid, then do so knowing just how much you are able to spend within your budget. If you are able to do something else, then know what you are able to do and offer, perhaps through a volunteering organization of some kind, perhaps it is some form of work or labor or volunteering. Become aware of what is in your community as a means to volunteer assistance in some way or another.

As to feeling guilty, that is something else entirely. We understand that it is here used as a motivation but it may not necessarily be that guilt is the motivation as we would understand it but that Gilla and many other individuals are actually feeling a pang of kinship with others, a deep pulling from the heart that another human being is in assistance or need of assistance and one’s compassionate nature may simply desire to bring your attention to assisting. That may be more helpful than simply fretting about how you can help and end up doing nothing. Thus increasing the sense of guilt and frustration. And anyone can offer assistance in any way possible.

JOHN: Now what about… sometimes when I want to offer something, I will send, I’m not kidding here, I will send a great big ball of orange love energy that rains down on the people. This is when I can’t think of anything else to do.

KRIS: Indeed and these loving thoughts are also quite legitimate. If someone is in a situation where they can offer other kinds of assistance and they desire to do so, by all means follow that impulse.

JOHN: Okay well thanks very much.

KRIS: Indeed then we believe that it is now time to say goodnight.

MARK: Indeed it is.

KRIS: And we thank all the participants for their lovely and most honorable consideration.

MARK: And thank you! Thanks Alan. And thanks to the Skypies with the questions and the phone calls and stay tune for “The Hero’s Journey” with Taylor Green.

JOHN: And you guys!

MARK: (chuckling) Goodnight.

(End of session)

Why is Sex Taboo?

May 25, 2008

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, May 25, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Brian (El-Don), Theresa (Ramanuja), Tom (Desiré), Alan (Regoronn), Anya (Greensleeves)

[ELLEN'S NOTE: Prior to Kris' appearance, we were chatting on the conference line together. Anya made mention of a Tantric workshop near Reno, Nevada which I thought rather amusing, since Reno is known as the place to go to for the "quickie" divorce. I remarked rather cynically that it sounded quite spiritual: get your divorce and then swing by for some lessons in Tantra. As you will see, Kris picked up on this remark and led us off on a very interesting evening's excursion.]

(7:57 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And of course we thank you for your most generous consideration. A few moments ago, there was a comment made, purely in jest, but that does provide an interesting opening for a gentle and perhaps even enlightening discussion. There was mention of something being very spiritual, in jest, concerning a Tantric workshop or group and Tantra not being the issue, but the observation itself may prove eye opening. Perhaps you can collectively or singularly un-mute yourselves if you wish to provide an input, but we ask of you: what is “being spiritual”? What do people say being spiritual is?

THERESA: I would say trying to connect with spirit; that which pertains to spirit, or that which pertains to understanding the inner aspect of ourselves.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps others might like to chime in?

BRIAN: I think being spiritual is just being yourself, since we ARE spirit, in flesh.

KRIS: Indeed. Other viewpoints?

MARK: I would have to say for me it’s widening of awareness. Awareness of Self.

ELLEN: I’d say it’s opening to love, getting past what we might consider the props of love.

KRIS: Indeed, anyone else?

ALAN: Well, I would have to say that in common parlance spiritual means anything that isn’t connected to the physical body or our physical experience.

BRIAN: I would say our physical experience IS spiritual!

KRIS: All of your observations provide insights and at the very same time lead to more comprehension, and as was just mentioned about your very physical human experience, that is something much in need of recognition as well. There are of course, many teachings and philosophies that seek to eschew the physical and anything related to the physical, any thoughts, actions and regards to physical life are often considered anti-spiritual, as if somehow or other, the mere thought of physical life is tantamount to falling into a vast pit with little hope of surfacing again.

And such notions and convictions can indeed have powerful repercussions and influences in the lives of those who hold such views or beliefs to the point where the very act of being human somehow or other represents a stain on the self as if somehow the soul has allowed itself to become soiled and is in good need of some cosmic tide to clean out the dirt, as it were. And such views, unfortunately, do permeate your atmosphere more than is evident, more than shows simply by all the philosophies that espouse such beliefs.

And you do not have to look very far for this. What has been the biggest religious organization in your world for nearly fifteen hundred years — the Christian traditions — hold that the very act of being human is the foundation of sin. And they are not the only philosophical enterprise and religious body that adhere to such premises. On the other hand, there are small pockets of ideas and philosophies in comparison to anything else, that do not hold such views in their philosophies. In fact, such philosophies hold that the very act of being human is itself one highlight of a great spiritual journey. Not a quest, but a great spiritual adventure, understanding a different facet of the soul, exploring a different configuration of existence.

Being physical, being human is one such experience out of many and that there is no need to label the human experience as some sort of vile stain upon the soul itself, that instead, every aspect of the human experience is a step towards a discovery of one’s own potentials, a discovery of one’s abilities to create and transform energy. And at the basis of the constitution of existence, one of the very pillars of consciousness is that all experiences are valid and worthwhile such that there are no failures but only feedback on one’s manifestations.

Sometimes many positive thinking and even New Age schools give the impression that this is also their philosophy, their perspective, until they encounter by some definition or another, something that you call a negative thought, negative thinking. Then watch the sparks fly, watch the fears come up as if somehow or other the very notion of entertaining one singular, so-called negative thought can bring down the heavens and everything that has been achieved to attain such a heaven. So much for the confidence and the positive thinking, really, to give so much power to something you call a negative thought which may be nothing more than a feedback to highlight perhaps a state of incongruity to bring about balance and even betterment of your position.

So we bring this up specifically to entice, encourage you, to view your physical experience as part and parcel of your spiritual journey and overall experience and that even those occasions that seem to be the dark night of your soul are also part of the process you call life; life as you go through it, as you experience it, as you view it, as you create it, being a most important aspect of your very spiritual journey. Would you have any questions or inquiries along those lines?

ALAN: Well, Kris, I have one. You started with the idea of the chuckle we mutually had over the Tantric retreat, and what came to my mind was an idea of why is it that whenever something involving human sexuality is mentioned, the first thing that seems to happen is people laugh and tend to dismiss that in some way. And I’m wondering, since this is part of our spiritual heritage as human beings, what is it that is particular to the human sexual experience or response that tends to get us all kind of to dissociate from it by laughter or joking or other responses?

KRIS: Indeed, a valid observation and though people may in general giggle and snicker, it indicates your collective uncomfortable states regarding sex and sexuality and sexual energies as if somehow or other there is still a dirty little secret pertaining to the processes, pertaining to the experience. And just look at many of your social laws concerning sex and sexuality, some still very puritanical indeed. In many places even today, the notion of a mother breastfeeding her child in public can send a little old lady into the vapors. Does that make sense to you so far?

ALAN: Well yeah, it does. I’m thinking in terms of the reason for this happening, does it have to do with our sense of emotional vulnerability in some way?

KRIS: Vulnerability, guilt and shame. Again, consider the major religious body in your world and its foundational experience about human life as mythologized in its writings, in its sacred scriptures, that somehow or other the discovery of sex and sexuality by the progenitors of your race in religious terms, your Adam and Eve, was cause to be booted from the paradise. That somehow or other there is the implication that without the knowledge of humanity and creature-hood, you would still be in a paradise-like state, but somehow or other, these two messed it up for their entire progeny and you are still paying the collective bill for it.

It is a cleverly disguised bad bill of goods and it implies deep shame for the very mention of the subject matter and it is why stand-up comedians of one gender or another usually get their biggest laughs and the greatest audiences, and the greatest responses from their audiences, when the subject is sexuality and anything related to the taboo subject, as if the only way that it can be socially acceptable is in making fun of it, otherwise you would be led into temptation, if you were to discuss it in any other way. In some parts of the world it is even considered so taboo that a father would rather himself end his daughter’s life lest her virginity ever be compromised.

So it is a subject matter that your species IS trying to deal with, but it has not been very successful over the last few thousand years, now has it? And you are still thinking, as a collective, that if you continue to hide this subject matter under the lock and key of shame and guilt, that somehow or other you will survive unscathed, but you have been trying the same thing for a very long time and it has not brought about the desired results. It might be time to consider a different understanding and approach, not necessarily that we will provide that, but it can only come about by a collective momentum towards a deeper understanding and a freer attitude towards the subject matter entirely.

Once there is a lightening up of the subject matter, once the dirty connotations associated with sex and sexuality for your species is defused and only then will you understand collectively that it is a beautiful part of your spiritual and human experience. And many in bygone days found a deeper path to spirituality, for lack of a better word, through their human Tantric and sexual experiences. They became more fulfilled and less influenced by the beliefs relating to guilt and shame.

And there are still many ancient cultures that until recently had not been tainted by the paintbrush of guilt and shame when they were civilized, as it were, because it is considered that if you do not have those heavy shackles of guilt and shame considering sex and sexuality, then you are not a civilized human being. You are more akin to the animals and the ways of the animal kingdom. Does that make sense?

BRIAN: Yes, it does. Hey, Kris how did the ancient Vedic civilization view sex?

KRIS: There are varying views upon this because the duplicitous values concerning both sides of the coin have been with your species for a very long time and even within the Vedic culture — the first and second — the two different views existed side by side. There was a time when the prevalent view became more dominant and established the rules. As often happens within your history, the dominator sets the rules and for a very long time that which you refer to as Tantra — which is not solely related to sex, fancy sex and powerful sexual experiences, but an entire way of life that embraces, accepts sex and sexuality in all of its colors and hues and rainbows — did have –

ELLEN: Could I make a comment?

KRIS: Repeat?

ELLEN: Sorry, I was going to make a comment, if I may? [I didn't at first realize I had interrupted Kris in the middle of his sentence, but he did manage to finish his thought inside of his answer to me]

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I think we’re afraid to love. We’re afraid to offer love and to receive love and we hold sexuality as if it’s a shield to love or, using a word that you often use: a prop. And instead of having sexuality being a pathway TO love, we play-act through sex at making love and so in this way we distort it. I think, bottom line, we de-humanize sex. We distort sex because of our fear of where it might lead us.

KRIS: Indeed, because an intense sexual experience might also open the doors to deeper states of love.

ELLEN: And emotions.

KRIS: Indeed. You might even recognize that you are able to also love yourself.

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: And that the bottom line here is specifically that. There are many schools of Tantra that teach very fancy ways to experience orgasms and sexual pleasure and that may only satisfy for a certain amount of time, because if that final ingredient, the one item that makes the entire recipe come together, is never present, then you will continue to seek more and more because it will never be enough because you do not have that final ingredient, the key that opens the heart.

And regardless of the Tantric practices, if that platform of love — even for self, or another — is not awakened, then difficulties will set in because the cycle of Tantra itself is meant to seek out and awaken that seed of inner love that supersedes and embraces ALL aspects of human experience. And if one regardless engages in any kind of practice still based on a premise of the deepest fear of all and seems to be unwilling to explore that domain, then he will continue to seek and it will seem as if life is empty, that there is an emptiness within.

And in order to fill that void, that emptiness within, all sorts of manner of things are practiced and the individual subjects himself or herself to all manner of experiences in order to try and fill the void even though there is only one thing alone that can fill that void. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: We have on some occasions, made mention that it is possible to love oneself and we have mentioned many times that this has no reference whatsoever to any kind of narcissistic experience, but loving oneself in the highest sense possible, the kind of love of self that is easily and innately transformed into love for all. That kind of loving experience brings the deepest possible satisfaction for indeed you can have untold amounts of orgasmic experiences, but eventually they will ring hollow because they cannot find that particular item. Does that make sense?

BRIAN: Absolutely!

ELLEN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Now this does not mean that everyone who engages in various different sexual perspectives and practices does so because they have not found love. On the contrary, there may be many who have that secret ingredient, which is not that secret at all, and you will know by their actions that they have a genuine, compassionate caring for themselves and their fellow human beings. It will not come from any amount of intellectualization or philosophizing, but it comes from actions. And if the words and the philosophies and the intellectualizations say “love and compassion” but the actions say “indifference to the human condition,” then you are merely parroting. Does that make sense?

ELLEN: Very much.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

THERESA: Kris, I have a question. You spoke about the collective guilt and shame that has been within our culture for 1500 years or thereabouts, or longer, and when we start to reprogram our own beliefs and our attitudes toward human life and towards sexuality, how easy or how difficult is it for us to truly, deeply, release the collective guilt and shame? In other words, this is something that I’ve been working on for awhile and I feel within my conscious mind I’ve had a tremendous shift in my attitude towards my physical life, my physical body and towards sexuality and I feel good about it, but what I don’t know is, on the deeper layers, how much influence is still there from the collective guilt and shame.

KRIS: An excellent inquiry indeed. And though the collective may exert an influence, the influence will largely be through the avenues of your culture, your society, your nationality and so on and so forth. But on a personal level, you may indeed achieve a greater amount of liberation, thus by observing your own thoughts, your own feelings, you can gauge where on that journey you are.

And if, for instance, an individual seeks to express that he or she is still dealing with the collective side of the issues of guilt and shame then it simply means that they are still entertaining their own personal issues, because once your own personal issues become transformed, then the collective’s perspectives may not necessarily bear much influence upon your personal life. Now on the other hand, it does not mean that you can ride through town like Lady Godiva because you feel liberated, though you might offer them chocolates!

THERESA: (Chuckling) I was hoping you would say that.

KRIS: Indeed, but you do understand what we are saying.

THERESA: Yes, and that’s what I was hoping you would say, that our personal shift has the biggest impact on our life.

KRIS: Correct, because the collective cannot necessarily influence he or she who still subscribes to their influences. Does that make sense?

THERESA: Yes. Thank you very much.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries? Please feel free. This is your evening. Now many of you did not think that you would having an open evening AND talk about sex at the same time!

(Group chuckling)

THERESA: So we’re having our cake and eating it too!

KRIS: Indeed. Just do not tell Marie Antoinette. We hear she lost her head on the subject matter!

MARK: Throughout this whole conversation I can’t help but think of Madonna and some of the efforts that she has made on this topic. I know she’s been labeled as a result of this, but in her earlier days she brought out of course the Madonna book, basically a sex book with lots of imagery, lots of photographs, she was openly public about discussions regarding sex and why does it have to be so taboo, why does it have to be whispered and why can’t people just express themselves freely and that was also expressed through her music and I have to honor her for that.

KRIS: Indeed! Some of her most criticized pieces are directly related to sex and religion and she did this specifically to raise the issue, bring it more out into the open.

BRIAN: What makes it such a paradox is it’s so inherent to our natures, being physical to enjoy the pleasures of the flesh and sexuality so it’s innate to us in this dimension, so that’s the paradox: why should it be so taboo?

KRIS: Because those in positions of authority have recognized that very specific point: If you are allowed to indulge in your own creature-hood, then what would entice you to seek the way of the religions? So you have been trained to think that your most natural, physical instincts — your creature-hood at that level — is in direct opposition to your salvation. Thus by convincing you of such acts as being against the laws of the Maker or Creator — laws which, by the way, are man-made — then you might be brought to a certain kind of salvation. It is an ingenious psychology and it merits much more exploration.

BRIAN: Sounds to me like it’s the few in control who control the masses.

KRIS: All that because of a book. This is also pertaining to your own belief systems and the issues that you choose to explore and undertake in this particular life experience. You may have other focuses in other frames of existence or experience, where no such rules have been handed down, where no one has proclaimed that a supernatural deity has dictated that sex, sexuality, fornication, intercourse is the downfall of your soul.

BRIAN: (Chuckling) Which dimension would that be in?

(Group laughter)

KRIS: The third one to the left!

BRIAN: (Laughs) Good! Buy a ticket!

KRIS: Now, according to some, the first thing that would come to mind is the horrors of a culture, world or civilization of some kind where no such rules exist. Can you imagine their own pain and torment for not being told the truth as per some teachings? Before Europeans ventured into the new world, many of what is considered taboo, many such rules and laws did not exist and it does not mean that many individuals left, right and center, were copulating and acting like animals at every opportunity, but they did not have that tainted self-image. That was imported from Europe, the old world.

That is why the Vatican hurriedly sent many of their priests to convert the heathen, those who wore little or no clothes, those who had no shame and no guilt about their human nature, those who did not know that they were committing sin as it were, interpreted in those terms. And the mentality was simply that they will be taught about their sinful nature or they will have to be killed for it. And if you are pressed at the edge of a blade to recognize that you did not know that you had been living for hundreds and thousands of years in sin, what would you choose? Does that make sense?

BRIAN: Yeah, it sounds like the plight of the North American and South American Indian population when the Europeans conquered them.

KRIS: Now, if you take that to another layer, you would also have to recognize that this presented a drastic, intensely dramatic, even traumatizing shift from their mindsets to one where guilt and shame about themselves became the standard. So that represented the beginnings of a new experience in the new world. Do you also follow that?

BRIAN: Oh yes, definitely.

KRIS: Why would a people choose to go through such a process?

BRIAN: For the experience as an experiment in consciousness?

KRIS: There may even be more to it than that. To say “for the experience” may have a certain modicum of validity but it may also end up becoming a pat answer. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Yeah.

KRIS: This is not a reflection upon yourself nor anyone who utilizes this, but it eventually becomes a pat answer.

BRIAN: There’s deeper layers at play.

KRIS: Yes. And you do not have, none of you, have to provide an answer now or at any time but suffice it to say that the question begs to be asked and explored, and that includes your own personal human lives, your own experience in this world in this now. What kind of choices are available to you? What do you want to choose and then follow up on? Many, literally hundreds of thousands, of North American aboriginals chose not to participate in this kind of experimentation so many of them died en masse. Hundreds of thousands perished through various means, such as the manifestation of smallpox, syphilis and other quote unquote “diseases.” What possible purpose could there be in this, then? Any ideas?

MARK: As in any experiment, I guess you would want to experience it all. All the different varieties and ranges and expressions possible, so you’d want to experience what it would be like to be a very sexual creature and then feel the flip side as well.

KRIS: That can certainly figure in.

TOM: I had a comment, Kris. I was thinking that there is a lot of guilt and shame involved and why would we choose this? Well, I was thinking that perhaps we got lazy and we thought, “Well, what would it be like to have somebody else take the blame for everything? And you know, God creates everything, we just need to pray to him, we don’t need to take responsibility for our actions and what is the result of that type of experiment?”

KRIS: That may indeed figure into the big picture and this still prevails today. Continue.

ANYA: I have a comment. My comment will be… the issue of sexuality, the way I am exploring it right now, brings a lot, for me personally, the highest potential of personal growth and so in one way or another, I connected to the highest value fulfillment that I can as a person right now experience on that path, and so I am thinking there is a parallel for the whole civilization getting into the new world and maybe Native Americans didn’t want to interrupt or influence at that time the experience of those who were choosing to start their journey, whether shame or guilt, and then go from there to their highest potentiality.

KRIS: Indeed, many hundreds of thousands chose to pursue something different. They did not want to participate in that experimentation. They left that to those who were willing to pursue it.

MARK: Another point about the North American aboriginal people is their divinity. It wasn’t externalized to the extent that Christianity and other religions on the planet were, and of course, sexuality and sex are links to the soul and experiences, so for them, giving up one is giving up both.

KRIS: Most aboriginal North Americans as well as aboriginals in other parts of the world actually see [what] you may refer to as “spirit,” the Great Spirit, in everything. They see that Great Spirit in the trees, in the rivers, in the wind, in the clouds and sky, in the thunder and lightning, they see it in all manifestations of wildlife, all manifestations of life, period! And they entertained a deep, magical connection with that magical world. The Europeans did not. In fact, they considered such views to be the work of evil because they themselves had been disconnected and divorced from those very same principles for a very long time.

ELLEN: There’s maybe something here about the roots of discrimination and… I’m thinking along terms of hierarchies, of superiority and inferiority, whereas the aboriginals didn’t have that sort of –

KRIS: That is also correct.

BRIAN: Wouldn’t that also pertain to the African race, which lived off the land also, unlike the European?

KRIS: Also correct, yes. Now why would such a worldview become so prevalent?

ELLEN: That’s a heck of a good question.

KRIS: Indeed.

THERESA: Would it be in order…. It’s like setting a challenge for yourself in that working through that challenge, you arrive at a deeper understanding of that which you blocked from yourself. In other words, by rejecting sexuality and then having to work through that rejection and rediscover it again, you learn something about that maybe you didn’t know before.

KRIS: That is also a definite possibility, just as it is a possibility that by considering the entire subject matter to be taboo and engaging in that which is taboo provides a certain kind of psychological elation as if you are engaging in something that is considered bad, naughty. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Mmhm!

KRIS: Now, it is entirely possible that in order to experience the world as you view it today, you had to take drastic measures and divorce yourselves from an old world view, because if you are deeply connected with all the elements of Nature: the wind, the water, the sky, the earth; you would not want to rip the Earth apart. You would not use the resources as they are being used today, would you?

BRIAN: No.

ELLEN: No, definitely not.

BRIAN: Which is why the aboriginals were true stewards of the Earth.

KRIS: As were the original Europeans.

BRIAN: That’s right, they were.

KRIS: As were all people. And in order to reconsider the values of such a worldview, you have permitted yourselves to become divorced from it to the extent that you barely recognize yourselves. You barely recognize the ability to love and respect yourselves and utilize that as a means to return home to your original foundational beliefs. You must, in some way — in some small way, even though it affects your entire planet and your life and life within it — find yourselves somehow or other motivated in such a way that the experience and the way you view it and the way you live it, including all the guilt and shame you can handle through any means in your society and civilization, as a tool of recognizing that somehow or other you are in deep need of recognizing and accepting yourselves.

That is why presently so much information through so many sources, through so-called “channel” or otherwise, is steering you back to your original point of origin. And as Orodin and as Akosha you have allowed yourselves this kind of experimentation, this kind of experience to measure the true depth of your values in this particular context. Whether this makes any sense or not is not the point. The point is to begin recognizing where you want to be and what do you want to do about it? And that is often the salient point.

Many people may even fantasize that they want change, they want transformation, but as far as doing anything about it, do not talk to them about such issues. Fantasizing is more important for them. Thus, all of you have, in one way or another, opened your minds, opened your hearts and touched that within yourselves which leads to profound loving experience and you are willing to do something about it and you WILL take action. And in a small way, that is indeed the core of what we want to present under the heading of changing the world. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now we believe you would benefit from a small break. We do not want this to be one of those heavy-duty encounters!

[Break begins at 9:02 PM]

ANYA: I’m just going to ask a Tantric related questions to you guys and just see what the opinions would be?

(Several call out encouragement)

I have a friend and he is looking for a long-term relationship partner and we were talking about sexual activities, you know, Tantric and sexual experiences and he says “I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone else until I meet that person.” Then I also have another friend, a female, who lives in San Diego, and San Diego looks like a very advanced community and they have all kinds of Tantric and sexual experiences and things that they do and she is also looking for a long-term partner but meanwhile she doesn’t take the stance of saying “Well I’m not going to have any sex while this person may or may not show up.”

But with everything that has been said here, what are the guidelines? Is there a right or a wrong way of doing it? Is it beneficial to have a relationship and continue experiencing sexuality just fully and clearly and without being aware that it may not be the relationship of your lifetime or is it better to just sit and wait and do your Tantric exercises on your own?

MARK: I believe there’s a song out there: “If you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with.” You could have a very long wait, looking for perfection.

BRIAN: Exactly! That’s what I was going to say.

MARK: But I think that’s anti-Tantric in itself, isn’t it?

BRIAN: How can you have a Tantric experience if you are waiting for “the one”? It’s a long wait!

MARK: Because Tantric in a way is loving all things.

BRIAN: Right.

ANYA: But then, wouldn’t you have, you know, a sexual relationship without having that very deep, profound connection… Is that okay?

BRIAN: Well, yeah, it depends upon… how you want to perceive it…. look at it this way: All answers are “yes”!

MARK: Yes, I agree.

BRIAN: All answers are “yes.” It’s how you want to put it in context for yourself. Experiment with it.

MARK: Basically your male friend has the right to choose, to do whatever pleases him and his experience.

BRIAN: Your female friend also.

MARK: Exactly, and you and I can apply judgment to that based on what you and I or anybody else would do under those circumstances, but it’s their experience to choose.

BRIAN: Mark said something really good there. The way we would look at it from our point of view would color it, so all is right. However you want to color it, too. Or better yet, what’s the most pleasurable to you, because then your value fulfillment is being fulfilled. By what is pleasurable.

[Kris returns at 9:09 PM]

KRIS: An interesting discussion also. Both of your friends, and we would specifically suggest your male friend, might benefit from introspection. Why does he believe he needs to only wait for the “special” one? We are not saying here that there is anything specifically errant in his ways of thinking, but he would also benefit from exploring and being clear on why, because otherwise how would he know when he has that special one? Will they come riding in on a great white horse or a flying carpet, the heavens announcing their arrival? Do you understand?

ANYA: (Giggling) Very nice, yes!

KRIS: We do not mean to poke fun, but at the same time, he is putting himself in a juicy predicament.

ANYA: Right, I also find, personally, that if I put that very heavy load on myself in life for the perfect partner for the rest of my life, I feel like my energy gets really shut down.

KRIS: Indeed, because you are restraining it. Imagine if, instead of doing that, you actually approached all the men you meet and the first thing you say before anything else is “Are you going to be the one that will be with me for all time?” Most men would not even give you a second look. They would be heading for the hills faster than you could say “Ouch!”

(Group cracks up)

Others may say, “We may be the one for all time, as long as all time is the next hour.”

(More laughter)

For that matter, you may offer them a cigarette and send them on their way! However, it is also possible to enjoy the company of another individual without delving into the social taboos along those lines, without guilt and shame, for the pure enjoyment of human contact. Some say that if you have any kind of sexual relationships before you are wed, then you are wedding for the wrong reasons. And this may work for a small segment of the population and you may find that nowadays many individuals may prefer to find as much as they can about each other and the way they relate to each other before they make any long term commitments, without knowing beforehand.

BRIAN: Kris, I can’t help think of the sexual revolution of the sixties and seventies and the experiment that was, and then, as quick as that, it got shut down.

KRIS: Indeed, we could even say it petered out!

(Laughter)

BRIAN: Yeah, no pun intended, of course!

KRIS: Indeed!

BRIAN: But that was an experiment in open… in the pleasures of the body in all of its manifestations.

KRIS: (Emphatically) It was more than that. It was much more than that.

BRIAN: What was it? Since I was too young…

KRIS: (Very intently) It was an experimentation in freeing oneself from the shackles of almost fifteen hundred years of an overbearing institutionalized world view that sought to control the lives of everyone! It signified the beginnings of the downfall of the Church. It brought about a truer meaning of separation of church and state, it brought about a truer meaning of the individual’s own right to choose for himself or herself what they wanted to do with their lives!

BRIAN: So that was the beginning of the Shift in Consciousness, in a way.

KRIS: It was one step in that direction. It maintained momentum for a while.

BRIAN: But then all the diseases were created in the ’80′s, of AIDS and all that, and that shut it down!

KRIS: Because your collective and individual shame was not dealt with.

BRIAN: Ah!

ELLEN: Oh, that’s heavy.

KRIS: Indeed!

BRIAN: It makes sense, too.

KRIS: And if you notice, your culture, almost the whole world throughout now in this present day has become even more vigilant on that very subject matter.

ELLEN: Yeah, the pendulum really swung the other way.

KRIS: Indeed, that means what? What would that mean? That is significant.

ELLEN: That means it’s getting ready to swing back again.

KRIS: Indeed! It means that the pendulum will swing back with greater impact!

BRIAN: Great! I’m old enough now!

ELLEN: (Laughing uproariously) No, you’re almost over the hill, Brian!

BRIAN: Oh, don’t say it at 45!

KRIS: It will take some time, but it will find its way back. All of these things come in cycles. If you notice, in the early 1900′s women established themselves as more important than the family dog and they fought for and obtained the right to be recognized as entities, to be recognized as citizens and to vote. THAT was another important step.

BRIAN: And so were the ’20′s weren’t they, Kris? That was a precursor to the sexual revolution.

KRIS: In many ways, it gave a taste, but it took how many decades to actually bring this to the next stage.

BRIAN: The entire twentieth century.

KRIS: Almost. So you have a tendency as a species to take things in cycles and in steps as per your own desires. You must, in many ways, test the waters, as it is. All of these are profound inquiries and observations that go well beyond the tenets of any kind of philosophical body because the religious, philosophical form cannot expand. It cannot bend with the wind. It either beheads those that resist it, or it snaps.

So as individuals, you yourselves are exploring ways to go beyond your own boundaries, beyond your own definitions and beyond your own beliefs. That sets a precedent in the collective. Other individuals are in their own way, through the auspices of telepathy, aware of how you and many others are pushing the envelopes. These actions in your lives become the seeds of greater actions in other people’s lives when there is sufficient momentum. Now does that make food for thought?

BRIAN: Most definitely.

THERESA: Yes!

ELLEN: Nothing like feeling on the forefront, huh? Of a new paradigm.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANYA: It reminds me of the end of the quote where Marianne Williamson, I believe, she talks about when we stand in our power we give permission to others to do the same. I’m paraphrasing, but…

KRIS: It is an interesting statement even though it may be paraphrased, because it implies that when you are in your power you are without judgment toward yourself or others, therefore others can freely reflect that power within their own structure, interpreting it in their way.

BRIAN: Kris could this be one reason why Jane Roberts was such a beacon, because she in a way was the beginnings of a lot of this, through her writings?

KRIS: She seeded many minds. She gave many an individual the opportunity to step well beyond their own thresholds. As to whether they did that or not is another story, but the opportunity was presented.

BRIAN: And we’ve all been expanding it through these last three or four decades.

KRIS: We would urge caution sometimes when anyone tends to toot their own horn. Nonetheless, all of your endeavors and efforts are bringing fruits in your lives. You are harvesting the results of your thinking and it may indeed be a small harvest in your eyes, but it is still significant and considerable.

An interesting evening would you say? Such a small statement and a giggle about spirituality involving all manners of sex and sexuality and spirituality and religion, religious indoctrination, the Shift, and changing paradigms. And for that we applaud you because it shows a great flexibility in your own consciousness to be so adept at following this kind of salsa of consciousness…. You CAN agree if you are so inclined!

(Group chuckling)

BRIAN: I didn’t want to toot my own horn!

ANYA: I can’t wait to have a Tantric workshop, Kris. Maybe we can get started on that as well?

BRIAN: There’s always north Jersey!

KRIS: Yes, indeed, you would say that, would you not?

BRIAN: Well, not to toot my own horn, never! (Chuckling) Hey, and we are going to have that beer when we’re up there, too, Kris?

KRIS: Perhaps you would prefer to have someone else toot your own horn?

BRIAN: (Laughter)

KRIS: And we dare say we would…. how do you say?…. Your company is most desired and esteemed, all of you.

ALL: Thank you.

KRIS: Now then, we return Joseph to your lovely selves, Tantric or otherwise.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

Kris Radio: What is the World Made of?

May 22, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 22, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com as well as on ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am co-hosting the show tonight with…

JOHN: You’re co-hosting with me, Mark, thank you very much for that introduction as always. It’s fun to be back in the saddle and of course we have our friend Serge.

SERGE: Yep. Howdy everyone.

MARK: Howdy!

JOHN: How-dee-do! (Chuckling)

MARK: So I’m just… it’s a little weird for me watching myself on this video on ThatChannel.com. (Chuckling)

SERGE: Don’t pay any attention to the guy in the TV.

MARK: (laughing) Especially when there’s a second delay there.

JOHN: Yeah, that could make you… I mean talk about multiple aspects.

(Chuckling)

SERGE: It’s like talking to yourself! And do we have Matt and Nicole on-line too?

NICOLE: We are here, hello everyone!

MARK: Hello!

JOHN: How wonderful!

SERGE: Howdy, howdy! Hope you’re weather’s….

MARK: Happy Thursday!

SERGE: How’s the weather up there in Calgary!

NICOLE: What was that?

MARK: How’s your weather?

NICOLE: Oh, raining, but everything’s starting to bloom so it’s all… everything’s getting excited and coming to life so…

MARK: Sweet.

NICOLE: …it’s getting nice, we’re getting a little bit of rain and lovin’ on those plants a little bit and hopefully the sun will be coming out soon. But no snow! So we’re good.

MARK: That’s a good thing.

MATT: Yeah it was actually very nice this weekend we went out to Fairmont Hot Springs and I actually have a golfer’s tan. Have ever seen one of those?

MARK: (laughing) Yeah.

MATT: People walk around a white left hand?

MARK: Yup. Or a farmer boy tan with the t-shirt lines.

MATT: Exactly, yeah.

MARK: Golf shirt lines.

MATT: We can work on our golf club tans.

MARK: It’s pretty nice here…

MATT: So is there a birthday coming up?

MARK: There are a couple birthdays coming up. Saturday is John!

MATT: Alright!

JOHN: Saturday I’m 58.

MATT: You’re 58?

JOHN: Yes, parts of me are older!

MATT: Oh my god! Wow, you look… I hope that I look as well as you do when I’m 58 cause you look great.

JOHN: Well thank you! And I think Serge is having a b-day coming along pretty quick too!

MARK: Actually next Thursday on the next radio show. He’s going to be 29 again!

NICOLE: 29!

JOHN: No, he’s 39 this year.

MATT: I hope I look that good when I get to be 29.

(Laughter)

MARK: 39 Euro!

SERGE: I charge for the secrets. (Laughing)

MATT: It’s all those health food products.

MARK: Yeah, that’s it.

SERGE: Yeah, it could very well be. So we have a couple of announcements to make, one of them is of course we’re moving on the first of July to a nicer apartment not far from where we are now but in a very quiet place.

JOHN: Pickering Street if I recall.

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Absolutely.

SERGE: Yup.

JOHN: Not Pickering the city, Pickering the street.

SERGE: And one of the announcements we have is that next Wednesday evening, the 28th of May, Mark, Kris and myself are going to be guests on a another internet radio show. It’s hosted by my friend Danielle Daoust who has one of the largest psychic websites on the internet, it’s GlobalPsychics.com, and the radio show is from www.TheMixTalk.com and it’s under “Ask the Psychics”, it’s between 8:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. Eastern time, and it’s the “ask number one network”. So that’s May 28th between 8 and 9 Eastern time at TheMixTalk.com and they’re going to be intervening Kris and they… in the latter part of the show, they have a call-in as well where Kris will be able to interact with some of their audiences.

And then next Thursday of course is our radio show here, followed by ourselves on Taylor Green’s “The Hero’s Journey” which immediately follows our radio show here on ThatRadio and Kris radio next Thursday. So it’s a busy week!

MARK: Three radios.

SERGE: Yup. Three radio shows in two days. (Laughing)

MATT: And now TV! You guys are like media moguls!

(Laughter)

SERGE: Not like Fox!

MARK: D’oh!

JOHN: I don’t mind being a media mogul; don’t you make a lot of money from that? I would think so.

SERGE: Anything else, Mark?

MARK: Just want to remind people of the upcoming New Jersey workshop September 6th and 7th, just on the other side of the river from York. We’re asking people to try and book in advance, as early as possible, we need to get some numbers in there to make sure that Serge and I can get flights, cause flights have gone up since the fuel crisis and so forth, but the hotel also is offering discounts if you before August 15th.

I believe we’re offering discounts if you book before August 10th, and go to the Kris Chronicles website and click on the “workshops” button at the top there and you’ll have all the information you need!

SERGE: Yup! And by July 1st also, the rates for sessions with Kris is going to be going up, so right now they’re at $175 per session. If somebody buys a block of 5 it’s $750 and they get a 6th session free. And if they buy a block of 10 sessions then they get two sessions free. And all of these are going to be going up as well on July 1st, so if you’ve been thinking about and trying to decide when to have a session with Kris, buying it now…

MARK: (chuckling) Here’s an incentive.

SERGE: Yeah, it’s a very good time and we’ll treat you well!

JOHN: Now just to be clear, you can buy it now and book it later!

MARK: Absolutely.

SERGE: Oh of course, yeah. And there’s no need to… you know, have all the sessions used up in two days, some people have one a month…

MARK: They don’t expire.

SERGE: Yeah, some people have one a month, some people have one every two weeks or some people have one every few months, it’s no big deal and then we don’t expire those.

MATT: You know I think what Anya did was a great idea, she would do one session a month and then she would… Kris would give exercises and she… for the next 30 days would practice that exercise until it became more internalized and part of her, and then she had her next session and… where she could ask questions and then get a little more information and get more exercises… I think that’s a great way to do it.

SERGE: Yeah, and you know, the more that Kris does these sessions with people, the more I recognize that Kris is an amazing coach. The way people’s lives change is mind-boggling and we’re not necessarily talking about you know, night and day within two minutes, we’re talking about a good progressive change but the kind of change that lasts and keeps motivating the individual.

MARK: Definitely, Marlene is a good example of that, too.

SERGE: Yeah.

MARK: Marlene has come a long way.

SERGE: Yup.

MARK: She’s had some great sessions there with Kris. (Pause) Where’d they go? (Chuckling) You guys still there?

NICOLE: Oh yeah, we’re here…

SERGE: Ah, okay.

NICOLE: …and that’s so very true. You know those sessions with Kris are… they’re definitely life changing. Even our daughter, I think that we shared with some people before, our daughter Delaney had a session with Kris and really interesting stuff that came through and it was very helpful.

SERGE: Yeah, actually we should, I think at some point we we’re talking about making those sessions available and… but they haven’t… that hasn’t happened yet, the two or three sessions that Delaney had with friend as well, Tiffany or Stephanie?

JOHN: Oh yeah, I remember that…

NICOLE: Yeah.

JOHN: …around the issue of a young person going out and striking out on their own, yeah, I think so.

SERGE: Yeah, and that started at the Lotus Mind workshop when Matt asked some questions about raising teenagers.

NICOLE: Yes, absolutely. And I thought that that’s available, is that not available?

MARK: It may very well be, I’d have to check the website cause…

SERGE: I don’t think so.

MATT: Yeah, we can check on it too and make them available cause they’re… there’s some great material in there.

NICOLE: Oh, absolutely. If you have teenagers, this… you’re definitely gonna wanna listen to the sessions. I remember him talking about you know, “being the owner of the slave of your thoughts” and wow! Some of the stuff was just profound, what Kris talked about in those sessions with Delaney.

MATT: Yeah, you know the Kris sessions, the private sessions are just, they’re like a whole new level because he’s talking specifically to you and about you, it’s just, it’s amazing, especially for anyone who hasn’t been fortunate enough to have em. They are a treat and also make a great gift too. So if someone buys a group of these sessions, they can give some of them as gifts can’t they?

SERGE: Oh definitely! I think Marlene has done that on a couple occasions, Tom in Hawaii has also done that once or twice, shared them with, gave them away. I think there’s a couple of other people, Frank did that one as well for Nardine in Australia, and you know there’s no question that the people who receive these as gifts are just like… fit to be tied! They’re so happy!

MARK: And just on another note, private sessions in our minds, Serge and I, are private. We don’t post them publicly, we don’t… we’re not even privy to the information that goes on in those private sessions unless you tell us or you type it up and give us permission to post them. We’re very adamant about that because people do get very personal with Kris, and you know some of that stuff is just, they don’t want brought forward.

SERGE: It can be very, very intense and very private and that’s the kind of stuff that people then you know, change their lives with.

MARK: Now also, we have an upcoming Skype workshop or course “Changing the World and How You Can Make a Difference”. Now we haven’t really gotten into that too much but we will be discussing that probably in early June. So just keep watching the website for that and we’ll try and come up with the details as soon as possible, and here we go.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Perhaps we can bring some clarity to the idea of changing the world.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: At least to dangle the carrot as it were. Now it is an interesting subject matter because in principle and innate to your human nature, you not only want to bring change to the world but you do, with the simple act of being yourselves automatically changes and transforms the entire dynamics of reality. And yes, of course many of you may indeed have heard that you cannot change the world but you can change yourselves. We would like to add that it is possible to both change the world and change yourselves.

Not necessarily in the manner that you may think, at least not in any traditional manner. And first and foremost is the business of changing one’s mindset, changing one’s fertile imagination, changing the very premise of what Self is. And in line with that, of course your world changes, the world changes. It may not change in the manner that you are accustomed to wishing that the world would all become like you, but it can change into a place where everyone benefits tremendously.

Regardless of the level, whether it be in economy, philosophy, business, politics and so on, it is possible to bring influences and change in all of these areas. And a more in-depth exploration of this subject matter will be the topic of the discussions presented. We are not necessarily advocating that you go out in the streets and burn your bras or underwear but we are advocating that all kinds of actions are possible, are within your reach, and that can begin to transform your world.

JOHN: Hmm, it sounds interesting.

MARK: Wow.

KRIS: Indeed. It is taking all of this mishmash that you have been listening to and reading for the last 30 or 40 or 50 years and applying it in a different manner. Thus the subject matter will be at times perhaps intense, definitely controversial, even challenging, because it will fly in the face of much of your acquired new age wisdom and at the same time will complement it in a rare way, to bring congruence and understanding in areas that indeed seem to be filled with confusion. Thus be on the lookout for that MAY change you as well.

MARK: (Chuckling) May?

KRIS: The prerogative is always left to the individual.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Any comments or inquiries?

MARK: No, I’m excited!

KRIS: Now then, what is your world made up of?

MARK: Dust from the stars.

JOHN: Matter, energy, time, space, feelings.

MARK: Units of consciousness.

JOHN: Moments.

KRIS: All of these things are valid, what else could they be made up of?

JOHN: Molecules.

MARK: Beliefs.

JOHN: Units of consciousness.

MARK: We’re repeating each other.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed the Bobbsey Twins are at it again. Now, your world is indeed made up of all of these things and more, but over and above all of this, it is made up of your ideas or presuppositions, your notions, your imaginings, your visions, all of these things and then some. Some of which we will discuss more in depth at the next CMI, but for this evening’s presentation, a taste might be just what you need.

So the world is made up of your ideas about the world. You imagine all sorts of situations during the day and in your sleep, in your dreams, and for some, the very idea of the world being made up of ideas may seem strange indeed. You are accustomed to thinking that the world is solid reality, that it is the concrete foundation; that anything else pales in comparison to the reality of the world. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Absolutely.

(John confirms)

KRIS: And for others, the notion that the world is made up of your ideas about the world makes perfect sense. And the two camps need not be mutually exclusive or opposed to each other because even the realism or reality or concreteness of the world itself still is based upon ideas. And we are not speaking only about man-made materials, man-made objects which obviously began as ideas. But we are also speaking about all of the natural phenomenon of your world whether it be weather, mountains, streams and oceans, valleys, continents and all of the marvelous creatures that inhabit your world. Even that is a reflection of many of the ideas and concepts that you entertain though not necessarily all consciously.

There is a vast area of your consciousness that is specifically directed and geared to transforming energies if you wish, consciousness from one state to another, and that other state divides itself into what you would simply call material energies, all of the energies that are transformed into nature and its phenomenon or the phenomenology of nature. So there is a portion of your consciousness that is continuously and consistently seeing to the manifestation of the maintaining of all the phenomenons of life on your planet, as you know it including the planet and more.

But you have all very much become divorced from that particular part of your energies in such a way that you are perhaps even frightened by it to some degree where you began as a species to exert a kind of control over nature. Whether it be cutting the forests and finding ways to control the flow and the direction of rivers and anything else for that matter, even seeding clouds for rain, and all of these things point to an incredible faculty that you all share as human beings in that you are transformers of energy. Whether it be through the expression of material energies manifesting in the world as the world itself, whether through animal life, forests, mountains and continents and so on or any other manifestation thereof, these are still part of your innate abilities to transform consciousness from one state to another.

And the world is both an individual and collective endeavor since all of you participate in this function in a great cooperative venture. And it is such a task that you constantly exchange information on that subject matter through what we can only call the lower channels of consciousness, lower in the sense that it is truly subconscious, it is not something that is evident to your conscious mind. The task itself would be so enormous and so incomprehensible that you would rather keep it on the back burner as it were. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes. But even though it’s on the back burner it’s still perking along just fine.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Sort of like the material aspect of Self. (Chuckling)

KRIS: It is a portion of consciousness that is geared towards that kind of manifestation. At other layers, that particular function of yours extends itself well beyond the confines of your world or your planet into other physical manifestations that you perceive through your senses whether as your solar system, your star, other solar systems, other stars, other planets, other galaxies, and the doorways or paths to those kinds of manifestations are also shared with Source, shared with Essence, simply because of the complexity of the task itself. Thus when your lovely selves send energies in that way to those particular functions of your consciousness, you tap into the greater reserves of your Essence or Source Self, that portion of you from which you birth yourself. Does that make sense?

JOHN: I think so, yeah. It’s kind of an interesting broad perspective but…

KRIS: Indeed. And yet the implications at the singularity level, the level of your lovely personal selves is such that you have always at your disposal, a certain knowledge that these ideas are not that far-fetched, that indeed they are part of your psychological makeup, they are part of your experience. (at this point there is a reverb of Kris last line “your experience”. Mark chuckles.) They are part of the makeup of your being. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes I follow that, yes, the makeup the experiences are part of our makeup, yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus these capacities and the knowledge has been with your species since before your species was a species. It is not something new. The idea that you create your realities, that you manifest your world has existed before you did. YOU took it upon yourselves to play with the concepts at a personalized level and see how well you could manifest Self as you express it.

MARK: I thing John just blew a fuse. (Laughing)

JOHN: Well I’m trying to follow this. Yeah, okay, okay, I’m just gonna stay open.

MARK: I’m kind of looking at the old film crew analogy of Self and the fact that existence is like the whole crew. We’re the writers and the directors of our own scripts, of our own realities but you also have the props and the set decoration departments that are creating all this in the background.

JOHN: Yeah but here’s the thing that I’m wondering that’s blowing me away, is that for most human beings, the day to day experience and meaning that we’re here for, seemingly, is almost like a soap opera but with production values that are spectacular! Like they don’t just have a set, we have a universe! (Chuckling)

MARK: That’s right!

KRIS: Indeed Paramount can be shamed once in awhile.

MARK: “Go big or go home”. (Chuckling)

JOHN: So most of us at this level of our consciousness have absolutely no concept of what “we” so to speak are doing at that level.

KRIS: Not from your ego perspective…

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: It is quite likely overwhelming since you can barely, at times, butter your toast.

(John is cracking up)

MARK: Going back to the film analogy it’s like we’re the actors and actresses and all’s we have to do is walk on stage and try and remember our lines, we don’t have to worry about the props and the set decoration – that’s there for us, yet we are, as the whole self, the whole crew doing the whole job.

KRIS: And you also have to take into consideration the writer.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: The one who came up with the story that is being transformed into this movie. So you are all of these things and you are all of these things very magnificently as well. So you have within yourselves an abundance of creative energies of such caliber as we hinted at a little while ago, that it literally takes universes to begin manifesting SOME OF that energy that is you, some of that Self, even some of that Self that you think you are, never minding then the rest of what you are. All of that requires universes, something Paramount studios is simply unable to accommodate.

MARK: They can stick to their theme parks.

JOHN: Still, it seems amazing to me that what we do with this incredible, incredible venue, let’s call it, is we have an argument with our you know, husband and go and get drunk and watch TV. (Chuckling) I mean it just seems…

KRIS: Indeed. So what are you all doing then with this powerful and incredible propensity to create, apart from the usual nose picking?

JOHN: Well, it’s sugg… what you’re sugges… the idea I’m getting is…

KRIS: Or babbling.

(Mark’s chuckling)

JOHN: Yeah. The idea I’m getting is that we could possibly create a deeper, wider, more subtle or richer experience for ourselves rather than watching TV!

KRIS: Though once in a while, watching the tube is not a bad idea but there is so much more at your disposal, especially when you take it upon yourselves to feel sorry for yourselves. You are the only ones who can do that so magnificently. The rest of your creation indeed scratches its collective head and says, “What gives? What’s up with that? There is this individual divine being that in some way or another manages to maintain and sustain solar systems, galaxies to create the gentle wind that blows through the fresh leaves, that creates the freshwater streams in which trout jump, and there is that same individual feeling sorry for himself.”

JOHN: (chuckling) It’s almost funny isn’t it?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You don’t wanna be unkind or unfeeling but at one level it’s almost amusing.

KRIS: It is a true paradox. So we are simply bringing this up to stir the pot somewhat, to encourage you to think not only outside of the pot but outside of the box altogether, outside of your own boxed-in ideas about yourselves and ALL OF WHAT YOU ARE CONVINCED YOU CANNOT DO! And instead of GLORIOUSLY exploring all of what you CAN do, many of you sit there feeling sorry because you cannot do this, you cannot do that, all the while forgetting all the marvelous things you do and you can do, all within your reach.

Not that we are pointing any fingers, because indeed, as Phillip and Sohars can tell you, Joseph’s fingers are interlaced, they cannot point. But you listening, and you reading later on, you recognize what we are speaking about, you recognize those butterflies in your stomach when we speak of these things. You see and know the potential within yourselves and yet you often let the world go by as if you have nothing to do with it, as if the world is something entirely different from you, it is a place to be in, period.

Without understanding that there is such an interrelationship. It is so intimate, that your intimate relationships are nothing in comparison. It is your breath, it is your blood, it is your flesh that is being expressed and manifested as your world, as your worldly phenomenon, as the reality that you experience. And if you turn that blind eye towards that reality experience and see it for what it is, understand its potential, grasp, even grok the magnificent powers and abilities that you have, you could much more easily transform your world. So we are back to that.

Intentionally or unintentionally we cannot say. We will not say, but you who are listening and you who are reading later on, you can sense that within you, and it may feel sometimes frightening because it puts the onus and the responsibility back at your doorstep where it belongs. And only you can make that decision, that allowance for your life to be what you want it to be, as you can just as easily make that life be what you do not want it to be, but we can assure you that you would much prefer it to be what you want it to be, instead of what you do not want it to be. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah that’s kind of in the definition of what wanting means, yes.

(Sirens in the street are approaching and getting louder)

MARK: Cue the sirens!

JOHN: Yes, what we want is better than what we don’t want.

KRIS: Indeed. It is much more fulfilling, even though some people would prefer silent sirens. Now, may we suggest a small break and when we return, perhaps then we can answer some inquiries.

MARK: Great!

JOHN: Very good.

MARK: Thank you.

(Musical interlude break.)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Radio here on ThatRadio and ThatChannel.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m here with the John and Serge and now, Kris again.

JOHN: Now, Kris again.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you, Sohars had an interesting little observation, you mentioned there are six plus billion of you cooperating in this venture.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: We could say that the six billion plus is merely an arbitrary number.

JOHN: Sure.

KRIS: Because in reality, since time at that layer of Self does not exist in any way, shape or form as you would understand it, there could very well be 600 billion, 600 trillion, trillion billion, there could be six individuals.

JOHN: Okay, fine. I get it; it’s irrelevant.

KRIS: Indeed. All individuals, all individualities, individuality itself is part and parcel of the process. Thus to say specifically, can be a bit of a distraction but you understand principle.

JOHN: Yes, what I’m getting is that the level you’re talking about, the difference between me and the other 6 billion people on the planet is trivial, non-existent.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: We’re all one “thing” having fun. Okay, let me ask, may I quickly ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You mentioned that at these very, very deep levels where we’re manipulating the material energies, now there’s no real prospect for us to get to widen our awareness to encompass that from this present focal personality is there?

KRIS: That is correct. The idea however of making you aware of that is to awaken your own sense of participation with life, not as in being separate from life, an entity thrown into the lion’s den of life as it were, suffering the ups and downs of everyday experiences, but that instead that you are the source of – not only as a conscious self, but as a whole Self – are the source of and
co-creator of all of what you perceive and then some.

JOHN: So it’s really just a… it ends up being a trust factor or… like I was writing the other day, it ends up being a stance of acceptance that says “okay the universe is essentially supporting me and nurturing me and it’s a good thing.”

KRIS: Indeed and it goes well beyond a purely academic or philosophical premise here.

JOHN: So, just leaping around to another idea, let’s say we watch a beautiful sunset or we’re out in the forest and we hear the birdies and the chirping and we’re suddenly overcome by a really strong deep feeling; THAT FEELING is our recognition.

KRIS: Indeed. And it goes well beyond simply stating something along the lines of “look at the beautiful sunset I am creating.” The tendency is to take that literally, that the ego portion of the self.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: However, it would indeed be far more constructive and supportive to claim that you are expressing yourself through the manifestation of the sunset. You are at that moment the sunset.

JOHN: Ah, because it’s captured your attention… in a meaningful way.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Right. So… and even though we can’t expand our awareness in this focal to that level of creativity, but the level of creativity that is within our potential is just as infinite and exciting and amazing and unlimited.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: And that other is really a very carefully designed…

KRIS: Icing on the cake.

JOHN: In… yeah, environment within which we can play with these other…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Potentials.

KRIS: Indeed. In fact your environment, the natural environment in which you express your being, that you have your being, is also part of whom and what you are. It could then be said that yes, in one way, the environment existed before you were born and it harbored your life. Do you follow?

JOHN: It harbored my life before was born.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: My life was a potential.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: That was expressed within this…

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: …matrix, let’s call it.

KRIS: And at the same time, you participated in the creation or co-creation of that environment in order to birth yourself.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Idea-complexes again…

KRIS: Indeed, a most marvelous orchestration of countless kinds of energies.

MARK: In order to make the automobile you had to have steel, you had to have this, you had to get through the Iron Age, it was all done in the advance so that you could do this.

JOHN: So really, for somebody to sit and feel sorry for themselves and watch soap operas, in a way, that’s every bit as astonishing as the person who is out there inventing and writing novels and you know…

MARK: There’s nothing wrong with sitting there and watching a soap opera, (John’s chuckling) but it’s this feeling sorry for yourself part I think that we’re getting at…

JOHN: Ah.

MARK: …and that once you acknowledge and address the fact that you created this and this is you… I think that’s a big thing for me, and something I realize is yeah, I create my own reality and I can step outside my house and it could be storming and I can say, “why did I create this?” But the fact that it’s not so much my creation, even though it is, it’s “that is also me” the storm itself is me.

JOHN: Well that’s exactly what Kris was just saying.

MARK: Exactly.

JOHN: The storm is an expression of your energies. And so the question is not “why did you create it?” but in what way is that expression of your energies meaningful?

MARK: That’s right, because…

KRIS: Indeed and that is a major point. So many individuals hear that they create their own reality and then they stub their toe and then scream at the top of their voice “why did I create this?” And then “why that?” And then “why this?” And very soon nothing makes sense because you are telling yourself you do not know, whilst in truth you do know. So by flipping this equation in this way, abandoning the “why” and seeing the experience as an expression of yourself, you may indeed gain far more advantage in expanding your awareness, your consciousness, your knowledge and your wisdom.

JOHN: Yes, I see that, because the fact that you created it, and the details of “why” at the conscious level are not nearly as nurturing as the meaning of the aspect of yourself that’s being expressed here and what that… how that informs your… the choices you’re making.

KRIS: Indeed. For example, a biologist or scientist of any other stripe can dissect any life form on the planet. It… this researcher can pull out the veins, the tissue, the brains, the bones, the skin, and can tell you what they are made up of: tissues and molecules and blood and this and that, but same researcher cannot answer why does this creature exist? What we are addressing is the very question of why you exist: because you are yourselves.

And you do not exist separate from your environment – you are the environment. All of these things are you. By perceiving it in that fashion, from that perspective, can have a much more profound and empowering impact upon your life than simply proclaiming “why, why, why?” Because you so often ask why, you do not pause long enough to hear yourself answer.

JOHN: But why also implies a kind of an intellectual…

KRIS: Intellectual and disempowered position.

JOHN: Yes. Whereas “what does this mean to me, how does this make me feel, what can I understand about myself from this?” These are much more fruitful avenues.

KRIS: Indeed. And it leads one away from the ambiguities of philosophies into the realism of life in a very deep and meaningful empowering way. So that is our approach, that is what we are suggesting then that you begin to investigate. See the world not through your eyes only but through your life and see the world as your life.

JOHN: Well you know, that reminds me of a funny little thing that happened to me the last couple of weeks and I’ll just share it with you. I had… there’s a place near me that’s a greasy spoon and they have a great big champion breakfast, you go in there and you walk out and you’re bloated for the rest of the day. And I have numerous times gone in there done that and felt “oh, that was a mistake” and wished for somebody who had a cheap little, low, small portion breakfast.

Well about a week ago, another greasy spoon called “The Studio Restaurant” put up a little sign saying that they have a two-egg breakfast for $3.95. I went in and had it, and it’s the perfect size breakfast, it’s exactly what I wanted. Now it suddenly occurred to me after I enjoyed that breakfast one day, I said, “You know, could be that this breakfast appeared in this restaurant because I wanted to have this breakfast?” (Chuckling)

KRIS: You and all the other patrons who recognize that perhaps you had all been going to the other place simply because you thought it was the only thing that you could have. So you exercised choice.

JOHN: Yeah, well it was very interesting. I have a feeling that we create even at those lower levels, we create things much closer to our heart and to our minds than we acknowledge.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there any other kinds of inquiries perhaps on Skypeland?

MATT: Yeah we have a couple of really good questions. Bill Hermann asked, “Which comes first the perception or the reality?” He follows it up, he says he’s been noticing that more solutions and things that he wanted to be true seemed to have been popping up for him lately and there seemed to be alternative ideas and systems in place that seem to be functioning for the benefit of the whole and he’s wondering if that is not an indication that he’s tapping into a level of himself that is closer to Essence?

KRIS: It is simply another perspective. As to the original question can you repeat that – the first line?

MATT: Which comes first, the perception or the reality?

KRIS: Neither. Self is first. Self generates perceptions, realities, perspectives and so on. Does that make sense?

MATT: Absolutely and so the perception and the reality could almost be the same thing, aren’t they?

KRIS: One feeds on the other, one enhances the other, but first and foremost, Self – the individual -generates any perception necessary to its purposes, so there are many perceptions available to any one individual. Keep in mind that you are multidimensional beings. You do not have one perception but you may have many.

MARK: As an example there, there’s a common misnomer that we feel things as a result of events, conditions and circumstances. But in reality, we feel and therefore generate the events, conditions and circumstances.

KRIS: As we have suggested not that long ago, feelings are an intricate companion to the notion that you create your reality. Do you recall?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Indeed. We thank you for your inquiry. Now we believe that Joseph also wished to announce the passing of an acquaintance.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: A Mr. Bill Oakley passed away yesterday night.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: A most interesting individual, one mostly concerned with the well being of others and in that, he’s in an environment of great healing at this moment.

MARK: It’s good to know.

KRIS: Now is there any other inquiry?

MATT: Um, yes.

KRIS: Or what is the time?

MARK: Matt, one more.

MATT: Alan asked if the idea of thinking of other… he says the idea of thinking of other aspects and realities of my Self has caused me to confront my own sense of limitations. Is this the purpose of introducing ideas of reality that we cannot begin to keep track of?

KRIS: It may seem at the time that it brings up limitations. In truth, you are simply awakening to your unlimited capacities. The limitations are merely blinders that you wear, they are not real, beyond that are unlimited potentials. We trust that for the time being this may answer the inquiry.

MARK: Thank you.

NICOLE: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: Simply know that you are far more profound, far wiser, far more knowledgeable than you give yourselves credit for, simply because you have rarely ever given yourself any credit for much. So pat yourselves on the back with all these multiple hands of yours. And we thank you for your consideration and return Joseph to you.

MARK: Thank you Kris.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

MATT: Thanks Kris.

NICOLE: Thank you.

MARK: Thanks, Matt and Nicole.

MATT: Thanks guys, and happy birthday everybody over there.

JOHN: Thank you.

MARK: Thanks to the Skypies out there, great questions. Thanks to Blue on the boards and stay tune for “Psychic Street Smarts” with Catherine Macdonald. Goodnight.

(Session ends)

Things Are Heating Up

May 20, 2008

Hi Kids,

We have almost reached the mid point of the year and I have noticed a HUGE acceleration in the material that I couldn’t help but comment upon. Things are happening and at times it seems they are happening way too fast, but I know deep in my heart that everything happens in its own time.

For years, if not decades Kris has been planting seeds. Many of those seeds have popped open have not only popped open, but have begun to grow. Some have breached the soil and are rising towards the sun. Before long our garden will be in full bloom.

As many of you know, Serge, Kris and I have been working on our first major book called, “Discourses on Dreams – Volume 1. A Field Guide to Dreams“. I would like to tell you that I have been working feverishly on it, but that would be a lie. The book, although fully typed is slow in coming. I find many distractions pull me away.

As a solution, Kris has devised a plan of action. He has us on a very aggressive walk schedule where we are working on a series of smaller publications. Kris is calling them booklets. The first one, so far is dealing with depressions, alcoholism and addictions and discusses causes, as well as solutions to these common situations.

The CMI is progressing rapidly. We have moved well beyond the Phase 1 introductory lessons and into full blown Aspect Psychology, as first introduced by Jane Roberts Seth. We are breaking new ground, as participants will attest too. I am astounded by the reports of dreams and waking occurrences by the CMI students after each session. It seems that major break throughs and understandings are becoming common place.

There are other major events on the horizon, including the two day New Jersey Workshop, entitled “Discovering Your Dreams“, as well as the new Skype class that has been announced called, “Changing the World – How You Can Make a Difference“.

Last year Kris introduced a series of sessions called “Psychic Perceptions“, where he introduced everyone to a shared focus in Tuscany. Unfortunately, not many pursued the project and its potentials, although all was not lost. Kris followed up with a series of IAMARA sessions with a few of us and as a result great healing and understanding has been achieved by some who followed through.

Utilizing the Kris Radio Show on That Radio, Kris continues to inspire us and to push us into taking advantage of those CREATIVE ENERGIES, of those Creative JUICES that flow within each of us.

The Mind, the World and the Nature of Miracles promises to expand our horizons as well.

I met Serge and Kris (in this lifetime) seven years ago and my life changed forever. THIS year, 2008 has excited me and has aroused more intrigue and awareness in me more than any other year and it is not even half over.

For those of you who are following and are participating, I hope that you are strapped in for the ride, because this coaster is approaching its summit. As we approach the crest we can all raise our arms and scream, “MOMMY” as we ride the wave forward until we come to the next crest.

I am excited! For the first time in decades I feel excited to be alive!

Buckle up!

- Mark -

Kris Radio: Your Own Inner Friend

May 15, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 15, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on ThatRadio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am co-starring tonight (chuckling) along with…

JOHN: You always come through with such wonderful boisterous energy, Mark I like it! You’re
co-hosting with me, Johnny, John Hawkins, and of course we are graced with the presence…

MARK: Of somebody who is nowhere near a mike. (Laughing)

JOHN: Just… just… you know… you know… yeah! There’ll be no problem and all because here’s Serge.

SERGE: Hello!

JOHN: Playing with technology as usual.

SERGE: Yup.

MARK: So here we are, on May 15th, beautiful day, very comfortable day, sunny. Beautiful if you’re in the sun.

ALAN: Hey all you guys!

JOHN: Oh hi Alan!

MARK: Hey, there’s Alan!

SERGE: Our Denver correspondent.

ALAN: Yeah.

JOHN: Nice to hear your voice!

ALAN: It’s actually… actually sunny here without snow for change.

JOHN: Lovely!

MARK: (chuckling) Without snow on the ground?

ALAN: Actually no!

MARK: Wow!

SERGE: Okay, what did you do?

(Chuckling)

SERGE: What did you do now?

ALAN: Although it did snow this morning though but it warms… it’s warming up really quickly so… maybe we’re out of the woods for a while.

MARK: (Chuckling) For a while…. till June!

JOHN: It’s so wonderful to have…

ALAN: Oh yeah it still May.

JOHN: …Skype and people on the line, we felt a bit lonely last week!

MARK: Yeah it’s good to have Skype back. And Matt and Nicole are unfortunately, are busy but we have Alan!

SERGE: Yes they’re out enjoying themselves somewhere. (Chuckling)

MARK: Heaven forbid! (Pause) A couple of announcements: We have a New Jersey, Edgewater, New Jersey workshop coming up in September, September 6th and 7th at the Promenade Hotel, actually Homewood Suites by Hilton on the Promenade in Edgewater, New Jersey. Tickets are $200 if you book before August 10th. The hotel room is a $169 per night, which is a big discount. The hotel puts it up (the rate) if you book after August 15th. So you can go to the Kris Chronicles dot com, slash question mark page underscore ID equals five… (Breaks out in laughter)

SERGE: Or just go to Krischronicles.com and click on workshops.

JOHN: There you go. That’s better.

MARK: [Finishing Serge's sentence.] For details.

SERGE: And I want to thank all the people who are still, like every day dozens and dozens of people are signing in to the KrisChronicles.com even though it’s free, there’s still a sign-in process now and there’s very, very little hang-ups or itches, just a few little things, but that’s about it. It’s just very nice to see all these people sign up.

JOHN: Yes and I see that we’re all signed up to CMI as well.

SERGE: Yup!

MARK: I wanted to talk about that as well. This coming Sunday is the next, session 3 of the CMI phase 2, Sunday at noon Toronto time, Eastern standard time, and all of the CMI participants are now… have an ID on the ConsciousnessMentoring.com website and all the course materials, all the transcripts, the audio files for the whole thing as well as the meditations and practices that John here takes out for us is… so you can listen to just them… are all available.

JOHN: And the transcripts.

MARK: Yup.

SERGE: Yup. And we should mention that this is not necessarily open to the public at large…

MARK: No, it’s to the members only, the paid members.

SERGE: …it’s for those who are taking the courses, and that’s coming along very nicely!

MARK: I’m very happy with that.

SERGE: Yup.

MARK: We have another Skype workshop coming up, we don’t have dates yet but it’s going to be called “Changing the World: How You Can Make a Difference.” Details to follow shortly. (Chuckling) It’s another Skype on-line course, probably six to eight weeks I believe, and we’ll try and get some more details from Kris and set up some dates for you, and away we go with that!

JOHN: Just thinking about that Mark, I bet you a nickel that the way you change the world is that you…

MARK: Change yourself! You don’t even need the course!

(Laughter)

SERGE: I thought it’s when you change your pants!

MARK: I was just saying to John before the show, it’s amazing how Kris can teach us how to change the world in six to eight weeks! (Chuckling)

JOHN: Well it only took God a week to make it!

MARK: True!

(Chuckling)

ALAN: I tell you one thing, if you can do all this Kris work and not change, you’re up to some pretty good tricks.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Oh I hear ya! I hear ya! How are you doing Alan, all right?

ALAN: Oh yeah, I mean some of… this latest meditations has just really set me on fire…

JOHN: Is that the one…

ALAN: …that last CMI meditation.

JOHN: Oh yeah, me too.

SERGE: That’s why all the snows melted out there, huh?

(Chuckling)

ALAN: Yeah! I’ll bet that’s the reason too!

JOHN: Yeah, I’ve been listening to that one every morning and that one is very special! The one before was also very nice as well.

ALAN: Yeah, it built something pretty strong up in me for a number of days until it finally broke through in a dream last night and just, just cleared the whole deck of things.

JOHN: Wow. Did you write about that on the forum?

ALAN: Yeah I put a post in this morning. I don’t think too many people have seen it, I think Bonnie replied to it but I’ve been hearing a lot of people telling me that there seems to be something up with them in a major way and a lot of it has to do with having listened to this meditation.

MARK: It’s incredible that we’ve only had two sessions on the CMI for phase 2 and people are reporting big changes already.

ALAN: Yeah.

MARK: Be it in dreams or in their day-to-day lives.

ALAN: So mine was definitely on the order of something that was deeply suppressed and I was exerting an awful lot of energy trying to keep it down and it wasn’t until the dreams opened it up and showed me what it was that I got it… I got processed through it.

MARK: Wow.

JOHN: Yeah I’ve been feeling perkier too. I was telling the boys that I’m feeling much, much perkier and I don’t even have any new undergarments.

(Chuckling)

ALAN: Now that’s all for sharing, John.

(Laughter)

MARK: TMI, too much information. How do you follow up after that one?

JOHN: Well what else is coming on down the pipe? You guys are going to be, in the fall, well that was the one… that was the one that you just mentioned.

MARK: We will be in New Jersey in the fall.

JOHN: Uh-uh.

MARK: For those people that come out to the Toronto sessions, Serge and I will be moving in late June…

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: …moving to Pickering… [Pause] STREET! (Chuckling)

[MARK'S NOTES: Pickering is a city that is about an hour's drive from Toronto. Pickering Street is a 15 minute walk from where we now live.]

SERGE: It’s just about a 15 minute walk, approximately from where we are now, so it’s just a little on the south side of… it’s on Gerard, just by Gerard street, so it’s not far. It’s a very, very quiet neighborhood…

MARK: No sirens!

SERGE: It’s on a side street, no noise, no sirens…

JOHN: Lovely.

SERGE: Beautiful house, we’re maybe about a 15 minute walk from the beach itself. And there’s a… that area we’ve never walked in…

JOHN: Oh!

SERGE: …I think we’ve driven it through a few times but we’ve never walked, so it’s just a whole new walking territory for us.

JOHN: And Kris.

MARK: And I love the fact that we’re going to have this tiny backyard that I can have a barbecue! I miss my barbecue.

JOHN: And a nice little backyard, eh?

SERGE: Yup.

MARK: Yeah, it’s going to be sweet.

ALAN: Is that still close to Taylor?

MARK: It’s still close enough cause we’re only 10, 15 minutes walk from where we’re living now, so yeah. It’s on the other side of the tracks. (Chuckling)

SERGE: Yup.

JOHN: Well I guess you should mention the dream book just because I had a little hand in designing the cover, it’s… [Mark interrupts.]

MARK: Which you done a wonderful job.

JOHN: Well I enjoyed working with that wonderful photograph and I like Alan’s idea of calling it “the pathway to your inner self or some(thing), dreams, the pathway to the real you” or something like that but of course that’s… maybe the next one.

SERGE: It’s for another book. (Chuckling) Other books.

MARK: The photo on the cover is actually taken in Taylor Creek Park where most of the book was written.

JOHN: Isn’t that great?

MARK: (quietly) It was a beautiful shot.

ALAN: Yeah it’s a beautiful shot.

MARK: Yeah. Well there’s our three minutes worth of material. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Yes. At this point…

ALAN: Don’t be looking to me for much.

JOHN: Start ad libbing. Oh wait, I think we may have a change in consciousness occurring.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes thank you.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now much of our work, if that is something you would like to call it, much of our interest in your affairs, in your development, in your evolution, in your enlightenment is merely as one who can point in the direction where you can find those things that you thought you lost, be it even yourself for that matter. Even though the Self is never lost to you, we simply act as a kind of, do forgive the analogy, but a kind of weather vane indicating to you where the wind is coming from. In that way, you may then follow where your fulfillment takes you, at least the wind makes you aware that you have fulfillment, that you have purpose, that you have a design with your life.

And it is much more profound than simply to say, “well yes, your mission is simply to be happy. It is to look or to observe.” Human life is an issue if you wish, of such complexity, that at times we do notice you tend to get lost within the labyrinths of your life. And it is only a matter of telling the mouse where the best cheese is so that the mouse can then find her way out. Does that make some kind of sense?

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Speaking for the mice. That’s working.

KRIS: Indeed. If you are in the maze, you may run around for days and weeks, but if you have a friend that has a vantage point, higher than or above the maze itself and you can communicate with that friend, then that friend may be able to see the way out much more clearly than you might. And that friend may then tell you “yes, the way out is this way”. And we believe that very few individuals would tell that friend to piss off, that you want to find your own way out of the maze. Does that also make sense?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes it does.

KRIS: So that is part of our adventurous nature.

MARK: And a much appreciated one.

KRIS: And even better still, when that friend knows or points out to treasures that are already yours to own and use even if you have not noticed it before, and there is indeed a joy, a profound sense of joy in seeing said friend find his way out of the maze and along the way, discover all sorts of treasures which only embellish his life.

As for deeply suppressed issues and challenges, they indeed appear to be deeply buried or suppressed only because the individual at one point or another has told himself or herself that they might very well be unable to deal with said issues, whatever they were, and therefore it is best to put it away, and your crafty subconscious assists you in that way as well. You want something buried in your psyche in order to avoid dealing with certain issues, and therefore your subconscious obliges and may create shields that for all intents and purposes create a kind of invisible barrier between you and that which you fear dealing with.

Now at one point, there indeed will come a time when you may notice that your life seems to be dragging along instead of flowing smoothly, as if somehow or other you’re carrying excess weight, we are not talking about a few Hollywood pounds where great interest is promoted in shedding 3 pounds. But we are talking about psychological weights and albatrosses, anchors. And the idea is to simply provide a gentle nudge, pointing a direction that says you want to move with your life, you want to have all sorts of new avenues open up for you. You want to literally take off.

But you see, your efforts are hampered because something is still tethered to your ankles. There is a weight that pulls you down and at times seems to trip you up. Is it your fault? No. Is it the fault of the subconscious? No. Is it the fault of your subjective awareness? No. None of these things are out to get you unless of course that is the kind of game that you prefer to play.

Thus along comes a friend and says, “well yes, you want to soar like an eagle but somehow or other you can only flap your wings like a chicken. Certainly valorous attempts at flight but chickens do not fly very far nor high, they certainly do not soar.” And by discovering that which in yourself you have buried or hidden, thinking that if you do that the issue will be resolved, are discovering that on the contrary it has implications. It keeps you from soaring and instead, you flap a lot.

Thus said friend can offer gentle suggestion and eventually point to where you have the weight, the excess baggage. And by clearing up those issues, said chicken turns into an eagle, “the lord of the skies” and soars above the clouds, experiencing freedom. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it does.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: And does that also make sense in Skype land?

ALAN: Well it certainly does Kris. I’m one of the best flappers there are.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Well indeed there are what we have just called “the lord of the sky” and then there is the “lord of the chicken coop”. All it requires is indeed a sincere effort to see your life not as a series of failures and exercises in frustration but instead as a continual journey of discovery. That includes both discovering potential as well as discovering certain times when that potential is being held back. That kind of a second discovery is most powerful, because it unleashes a great amount of energy so that those potentials that you may have feared in the past are now active, are there with you [and] are part of your process. Do you follow?

(John confirms)

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And we are not emphasizing that everyone turn into an internal Sherlock Holmes looking for every little clue to indicate that you have locked away some deep dark shameful secrets. On the contrary, it is by focusing on opening up to your potential that you may notice certain areas are not as free as you anticipate, as you actually understand. That also requires some attention, some internal housecleaning. Once the house cleaning is done then you can return to exploring more potential. Does that also make sense to you?

JOHN: That does. I’ve been doing a bit of spring cleaning myself and that makes perfect sense.

KRIS: Indeed. So it is important to know that you are first never alone. The moment you ask the universe, meaning your Self for assistance and guidance and support, and sincerely follow through when that assistance or guidance and support makes itself manifest to you, those issues will naturally come to the surface of your conscious mind so that you can then do the releasing. And part of that includes giving yourself permission. And the process is relatively simple, relatively painless, and with very little consequences.

The advantage is that you further discover firstly how creative you are, for only a creative individual would engage in that kind of a process firstly, because when you decided to tell yourself that certain sensitive issues are to be buried, you do so with full knowledge that at some point in time you may come across what you buried. So you do not act without a certain kind of understanding but you are able to forget about these things.

And when you’re own subjective self or subconscious recognizes that you desire to move forward and soar like an eagle but something is weighing you down, it may indeed act upon an earlier understanding that you had when you commanded or ordered the burial in the first place and seek out assistance and help in those ways that are important for you to take advantage of. And in that way you can free yourself, cut the tethers. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Indeed.

JOHN: Cutting the tethers, yes.

KRIS: Would you have an inquiry?

JOHN: Um…

KRIS: Caught off guard!

JOHN: Yes I have one but I sense that Alan may have something first so I’m going to defer to him.

ALAN: I must’ve been breathing hard guys. (John is snickering in the background) Well I will say that on this Skype chat, KP from Malaysia had pointed out how magical the recent CMI meditation was and it was assisting him to get to a lot of deeply buried issues. I know I have had that experience myself and I’ve noticed a number of other people, some in the class and some without, who have heard the meditation and have found it to be very, very useful towards getting to these things that we may have, as you put it, suppressed at one time in our life, at least given the instruction and the instructions apparently have been followed fairly well because when it comes up it doesn’t seem to be very obvious at the time and this meditation seems to have been an excellent way of getting around these limitations.

KRIS: Indeed. And it is those kinds of observations that provide more illumination or enlightenment into your own functions and processes. For instance an individual may seek to open their lives more, may seek to create situations where even financial remunerations make comes more easily and more frequently and still find that they are pedaling a good deal faster, but the process seems to slow down. And upon further insights and inquiries, said individual may indeed recognize (that) as a child they may have been told that it is best to be quiet and invisible, that children are best seen but never heard, that the less prominent and obvious they are, the less difficulties they will draw to themselves. Does not that sound something many of you have heard many times?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

ALAN: Yeah, sounds good to me.

KRIS: Indeed. And later on in life, said individual may decide to set up ventures where they will become visible, prominent as a required need to set up businesses. Their internal programming says “wait a minute Charlie, hold your horses, do you know what may happen to you if you become more publicly known? You might not like that. It is best to put some sticks in your wheels so that you do not become too public a figure in order to protect you because that is the way it has always been done.” Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

ALAN: Certainly.

MARK: Way too much.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Thus that kind of programming indeed sets up avalanches of incongruencies that clash and conflict with the intent. Now some people may argue and say “all of that is unimportant, just focus on your intent and if you do not manifest the intent there is something wrong with you, you don’t have enough faith, you are not a believer in yourself.” And indeed these kinds of pat answers are quite commonly found here, there, and everywhere and they can indeed be quite demeaning because the individual may be pouring all of his or her intent in that direction and it has nothing to do with believing in themselves or not. Those kinds of pat answers are put-downs and very discounting of another’s efforts. Instead, a communication with a friend, a concerned and caring individual may indeed bring out that at some point in an earlier stage of life, the old program may have been set into effect and it is a matter then merely of rearranging the program, reprogramming those old mental habits, creating a peace and a sense of adventure. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes sir, as a matter of fact may I just follow-up with a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: How specific do we need to do? Do we need to identify the programming that is tethered to our foot and dragging us down? The question is, can we kind of have a generalized kind of release that says “okay, whatever it is, I now release and forgive and allow and accept and…” or do we actually have to get down to the nitty-gritty of the exact moment of when we…

KRIS: It does not have to be an archaeological dig as it were, to find the exact moment of the birth, but an inquiry, a sincere inquiry to the subconscious or subjective awareness to assist in finding the blockage may bring up the whole kit and caboodle. But simply trying to do a hasty cut and paste, telling yourself “yes, all sorts of things I have done in the past that may have blocked me are now gone” may not bring any satisfactory results because your subconscious may indeed see it is not sincere even if it was meant to be sincere. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes. So we have to, in a sense grapple with and sincerely encounter, as best as we can whatever the issue is.

KRIS: You may not even have to grapple at all, you may simply ask and allow the information to come to the surface whether through… (Sirens blaring and chuckling.)

ALAN: There you are again.

KRIS: …whether through dreams or insights and inspirations, intuitions, memories from youth or other incidences suddenly come back into memory…

JOHN: Yes, I’ve had that experience.

KRIS: …may be sufficient for you to recognize “This is where it began. This is the point of origin of that programming. Now I know how to deal with that since I know how to create new circumstances and new beliefs and I can bridge them and I can move forward in my life now that I know where my burden is.”

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: It need not be a soul-wrenching, contortionist-like effort, far from it unless that is the kind of thing that you like.

MARK: I can’t help but think back to the backpack meditation which I believe was phase one of the CMI, but it might have been an International…

JOHN: It was the “Who Are You”.

MARK: Oh the “Who Are You”, but during that one where you encouraged us in the meditation and the practice to unload the burdens in our backpack, some of us had very specific things that we took out and others just had… we know we took heavy things out and that was important either way.

KRIS: Indeed because your subconscious knows that there are certain situations that can still be relieved without having the conscious mind involved and there are times when that is actually beneficial, knowing your very human capacity to over-concern yourself and make mountains out of little molehills simply because it is something that you can do.

JOHN: Right. Well that’s very helpful, that’s a very helpful piece.

KRIS: Indeed. Consider for example, the baker knows that he can bake, but is it practical for the baker to bake dozens and dozens of cakes every hour on the hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. What will the baker do with all the baking?

MARK: Gain weight. (Chuckling)

KRIS: He can indeed bake because he knows he can bake, but it is not to his advantage to do this.

JOHN: Yes. I hear you. Okay that’s good, very helpful.

KRIS: Indeed. In other words there is no need to hassle yourselves.

JOHN: Is that…

ALAN: I’ve got a ques…

JOHN: Yeah, Alan?

ALAN: Well I’ve got a little question about that and it has to do with this idea that not everything has to be solved on a level of the conscious mind and…

KRIS: That is correct and that is why we suggested there is no need to go on an archaeological dig…

ALAN: Right.

KRIS: …but that you can ask for that which is preventing you, what barrier there is preventing you from moving forward at this particular point. Perhaps in 10 years from now you will sense something else, and it may be a similar or related or different issue but you will get a sense for it. In other words your intuition works both ways.

ALAN: Right.

KRIS: You can utilize your intuitive senses to sense, to pick up, to detect programming when it is due time to do so. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, it really boils down to…

ALAN: If I set up a… oh I’m sorry John, if I set up like a yes or no muscle test where I ask my subconscious questions about things then this would be one of the categories that, where it could tell me you either have to deal with this consciously or is not an issue you have to deal with consciously, is that the kind of thing you can do to kinda help this process along?

KRIS: This can be helpful though we would suggest that in a very gentle manner, you only do so when there is a need to do so. Do you follow?

ALAN: I think so.

JOHN: Yeah, we don’t though…

KRIS: In other words, you have no need to sit 24 hours a day, testing for which area may have a blockage.

ALAN: Right, right, right.

KRIS: That may indeed prove futile.

ALAN: Right, right.

KRIS: But if you do sense and detect that you have a certain challenge in this part of your life then you can do the work.

JOHN: Makes perfect sense to me.

ALAN: Yeah, sort of makes sense.

JOHN: No sense going fishing for this stuff if you don’t wanna have to fry it.

KRIS: Indeed and no sense in creating things that you then go fish for.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Because it can be that an individual over-emphasizes and becomes obsessive in that area and finds that there are untold blockages because they will create them to justify. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes absolutely. So just to summarize for me, basically we’re… the point is to get on with your life, do the things that are challenging, expand your potential the best you can, when you sense a blockage, then you sit down and have a little chat with yourself and say “let’s bring that one to the surface and deal with it because I’m eager to get on with what I wanted to do!”

KRIS: Indeed. This is part of being gentle and compassionate with yourself. And if you are thus gentle and compassionate with you, then you will be that way with others as well. Does that answer your inquiries?

MARK: I think so, how about a break?

KRIS: Indeed. There is no challenge there.

(Chuckling)

(Musical interlude break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com. My name is Bark, Mark Bukator (laughing)

SERGE: Bark Mukator, Bark Mucator.

MARK: Mark Bukator, (chuckling) I’m sitting here with Serge, John and on Skype and we’ve got Alan. And we’ve been chatting with Kris and having the conversation with a friend.

JOHN: Yes.

SERGE: And I want to just mention two things, on the 28th of May which is a Wednesday night, we will be interviewed on another radio show, another Internet radio show, unfortunately I don’t remember what it is, but the website that I guess produces the radio show is GlobalPsychics.com, and is a fairly, I don’t want to say “old friend” in that sense, but a longtime friend, Danielle Daoust owns it, and she’s going to be having Kris, Mark and myself on her show, we’re going to be calling in, probably from our Skypes into her radio.

MARK: Also, that Thursday night, we’ll have our own radio show followed by “Cat and Taylor Spiritual Feast…”

[MARK'S NOTES: I have now been informed that Catherine and Taylor now have their own shows. Serge and I will appear on Taylor's Show called "The Heroes Journey".]

SERGE: Is it on that night? Yes.

MARK: And I believe that’s the show when you and I will be on their show!

SERGE: Yup.

MARK: As guests.

SERGE: So on the 29th we’ll be on Cat and Taylor’s show which usually follows ours.

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: So Hugh and Randy will be having us for two hours!

MARK: Double dose!

(Laughter)

SERGE: I don’t if they can deal with that, but you know, that’s life, (chuckling) we just move on.

ALAN: Probably burn Skype out on that one.

(Laughter)

MARK: It’s going to be a busy week for us.

SERGE: Yeah. So I’m looking forward to both of those shows. So maybe we should put it up on our website, just a little mention about the show on the Wednesday night and then here on the Thursday night.

JOHN: That could be your “upcoming events” section.

SERGE: Yeah, yeah.

MARK: And once you give me the information I’ll put it up.

SERGE: Yeah.

JOHN: Well a very interesting show tonight about… really a kind of an owner’s manual of how to deal with challenges, and I’m relieved of having to fill in any more because we’ve been joined by Kris.

KRIS: Now though we have used the reference of a friend for ourselves. In these situations, it would indeed be far more accurate to simply mention that we are the voice for your friend within. That part of yourself that always seeks your best interest in all things. And though our own voice for this – your inner friend – may be poor, our intent is to draw your attention to how that friend wishes to care for you. Does that make some sense?

JOHN: Yes it does.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Now do not ask us to go bowling.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well you’re a pretty good stand-in friend there, for the self-friend. I appreciate it.

MARK: What no board games?

JOHN: What about a pajama party?

KRIS: At your own risk.

(Laughter)

KRIS: You may find in your own dreams, many, many representations of your own inner friend in this way. Sometimes your inner friend takes the guise of friends you already have in your life, alive or otherwise in your terms. It may even appear as other aspects of yourself, to draw the message home, to capture your attention, to gently suggest that you have, indeed an unlimited resource with which to deal with the challenges you create in your own life. As such, you are so crafty, wise, and creative that you never instigate a challenge of any kind for yourself unless you know that you are able to pull out the rabbit from the hat, as it were. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes that’s very comforting to think of that.

MARK: It’s nice to be reminded of it.

JOHN: Yeah, now there have been challenges in my life that I have had to basically fail at and (chuckles) so I may not have…

KRIS: Are you certain it is a failure?

JOHN: No, no of course not.

KRIS: Indeed because it may very well be a perfect opportunity for you to recognize that above and beyond any such labels, the experimentation worked flawlessly. It brought home what you needed.

JOHN: Would that be fair to say about the entire contents of our life? That regardless of our conscious perception and evaluation of it, that it all worked, as you say flawlessly.

KRIS: Indeed. Your judgments however, may be a different issue altogether. You may have been socially and familially indoctrinated into considering that certain things are failures and certain things are successes. And to create that kind of a black-and-white dichotomy can indeed create other kinds of challenges.

JOHN: Well I’m thinking of a time 10 or 15 years ago when I had quite a good job and I went on vacation, and when I came back from my vacation, the whole thing had just gone right down the toilet, everybody hated me and I was seen as incompetent and I just felt that I was in a corner and I could not get out unless, except just getting out of that job. Now looking back, that may have just been my clever way of getting me out of the job and to something more interesting.

KRIS: Indeed and this actually occurs far more than anyone would let on because there are times when it may be to someone’s advantage to play the role of victim because there is something to be gained. Do you follow?

(John confirms)

KRIS: By changing your mindset and your capacity to understand your situations, you may indeed never play that game again, because even though the victim meister may think that playing the game brings an advantage, eventually one begins to believe the game and loses the advantage. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it does.

MARK: Sometimes we get ourselves into routines and patterns where we’ve become static and…

KRIS: Indeed…

MARK: …sometimes we need…

KRIS: …you do wrap yourselves up in your little concerns.

MARK: And sometimes we need a good kick in our complacency.

KRIS: And no one is better equipped to do that than yourselves.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Thus in Sohars’ example, it may at that time have felt like a tremendously difficult challenge to have to withdraw. Then in looking back at this issue from his present understanding, it may actually be interpreted completely different. As we suggested the present moment is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future and what you interpret today weaves tomorrow, period. No other way around it.

JOHN: Oh yes, in retrospect when I think back on it, the whole business went down the tubes a couple of years later and it was a difficult period for everybody involved.

KRIS: Indeed, and it is very likely that you had intuited the situation but knew not how to interpret…

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: …that kind of intuition, so you may have acted in a manner that would seem as if you sabotaged your own best interest at that time. And this may also have gone in-line with the compliance of your own convictions in that specific end, beliefs in your ineptitude and whatever else you had going at that time in such a manner that your perceptions became manifest. There might have been other layers to the issue that only took many years to eventually see, such as understanding that within a certain amount of time, the business was gone. You acted in a manner that could enable you to find other situations whereas those who stayed followed the path of their own conviction and played out the scenarios.

JOHN: Right, I was cutting my losses.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Also, another way to look at it is that the owners of that business were creating an event that you played your role perfectly in. They were forecasting their own downfall and you played the role of one of the employees and played that role perfectly!

JOHN: Yeah. It was a hard thing to go through at the time, though.

KRIS: Indeed, It would have been preferable to get an applause for the performance.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: That has to come from your own mind.

JOHN: Well you know, an interesting little project for me might be to make a little notebook and list all the fail… what I think of as failures in my life and just see how many of them…

MARK: You can flip.

JOHN: …I can see from above the maze?

KRIS: And what would happen if you recognize that none of them were failures in that sense of the word but may have come packaged in that way? Depending upon your convictions of the times. And in retrospect, each of them was a golden opportunity to move forward.

JOHN: Well that would really change the way I looked at the next so-called failure that came along.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: You would also change your interpretations, so you would be weaving a different future.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: From that point on.

JOHN: Yes and isn’t it clever of the unconscious, whole Self, when it bails us out of the situation that we don’t wanna be in, it always takes the opportunity to highlight a few old programs that we can get rid of at the same time!

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: As Kris has always told me, there’s always a payoff.

JOHN: Uh-uh.

MARK: Always.

KRIS: It is a matter of permitting that kind of a widened awareness to be manifest so that you can take stock of it. And in this way, you can also begin to recognize that the unconscious or subconscious truly is none of those things but it is such a vast area of Self, that most of the time you truly are unawares of the depth of that potential. It is an ocean of potentiality. Now what is the time?

MARK: We have a couple minutes.

KRIS: Indeed are there any other inquiries?

JOHN: How about you Alan?

ALAN: Well there was one from KP over in Malaysia but I think it really goes to what Kris just mentioned about situations where you intuit the answer or the situation but not knowing how to interpret it. And he was quick enough to figure out that he was partially the cause for a response he got from his boss, and even recognize some of that behavior as being suppressed in him, but just wasn’t ready for the magnitude of you know, his boss’ response to him and seems to be unable to let it go, and I think this is right in that category of where you’re really on the track of something but you just aren’t quite certain where the answer lies.

KRIS: Indeed and the idea that one may at times be unwilling to let it go simply indicates that you still have, the individual may still have certain issues of self-worth as an attachment. And working that through will bring the release that he is seeking. So it is a kind of obsessiveness because it indicates a portion of Self that has been trained to respond to victimhood. It hurt the ego, as it were. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes I do.

KRIS: And with that we believe it is time to return Joseph and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

ALAN: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Thanks Alan.

ALAN: Oh, you too guys, great to talk to you again.

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: Well thanks for tuning in to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com, stay tune for “Cat and Taylor Spiritual Feast.” Goodnight!

(Session ends)

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