Open Mic

April 27, 2008

Kris Chronicles – Open Mic
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, April 27, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Lisa (Lauromar), Jerry, Brian (El-Don), Tom (Desiré) and Alan (Regoronn)

(7:46 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: This evening the onus is on you, the listener, you who are patiently awaiting for the secrets of the universe to be softly whispered into your ears. Thus, what we are offering is that you can offer a suggestion for a topic and we may avail ourselves of the right to choose amongst your suggestions. (Pause) No suggestions? No ideas?

MARK: Somebody’s got to have something.

ALAN: So how come we’re all stumped? That could be a topic!

LISA: How about vortices, ley lines and the other beings that lived in Sedona?

KRIS: That is a good suggestion. Are there others? What would you like us to speak about tonight?

MARK: How about nightmares?

BRIAN: What about the shortages in food now, like rice being scarce even. It seems like with the gas prices going up, the whole world is coming undone. Everything is now scarce.

JOHN: I’ve got an idea. You’ve mentioned several times recently that your best advice to us if we want to get ahead is to make molehills out of the mountains in our lives, and to make mountains out of appreciating and nurturing ourselves.

KRIS: Excellent idea, and at the same time we may incorporate the question about food shortages into that one. Now as we suggested then, is to trivialize all of your big concerns and to make a really big issue out of the small things in life such as your joys, your appreciation, issues that enhance your self-worth, your resources, your creativities, your genius, and so on and so forth. That can have a very specific and even quite powerful influence in the resultant reality that you experience.

As you are all aware to varying degrees, you get what you concentrate upon. Thus if you concentrate upon all of your troublesome times, various times it appears that someone put you down, that you lost face, or the things that you fear, the issues that you worry about, or how people will view you or think of you, what others at work or at home will think about you if you even make the slightest human mistake and so on and so forth. If you concentrate upon all of the catastrophes in your life and in the lives of everyone else that you know, what do you think the outcome will be?

BRIAN: The very thing that you fear and that you place energy into.

KRIS: Indeed. That will become then what you are asking the universe to produce for you. Now if you trivialize all of these things, tell yourself certainly there are all kinds of personalities in the office that you work with and there is no rule that says that everyone must agree with each other one hundred percent of the time, that the situations in various corners of your life are certainly not as dark as you make them to be because you have the ability to make any situation to be whatever you wish it.

Thus, by trivializing these issues and challenges and at the same time moving away from those issues and make a really big deal out of even the smallest joys, you may begin to notice a shifting in your thought patterns and in a very short amount of time, perhaps even a matter of days, the things that you emphasize, the things that you deliberately and consciously choose to focus upon, perhaps the sunshine when you got up, the birds singing, the children laughing when they play, you saw a couple walking hand in hand, you saw a puppy, a kitten, all sorts of things that tend to make you smile.

Then it is an inevitability you will begin to create more and more of these very things, the things you now choose to give your attention to and the things you have chosen to not give your attention to will begin to recede, will have less and less significance, while the things you choose to concentrate upon, to give your attention to, the things that bring you small joys, they will begin to have more and more significance.

Now, some may say “Yes, but I am only concentrating on some small joys!” But if you concentrate, focus upon dozens of small joys on a daily basis, these will accumulate. They will gather momentum and will literally pierce from the unofficial line of consciousness into the official and make themselves quite visible and interactive to you and with you because dozens of small joys on a daily basis amounts to hundreds of small joys on a weekly and monthly basis. And all of the other things will be easier to deal with and you will find life much easier to meet face to face. Does that make sense so far?

(Yes)

Indeed. Now what is your world presently being asked to focus upon?

JOHN: War. The American election and food shortages…

BRIAN: And high gas prices.

KRIS: Indeed! And which of these three would be most troublesome?

BRIAN: Probably food!

KRIS: Not the elections?

BRIAN: Nah! Food!

JOHN: (Laughing)

KRIS: We were being very facetious!

BRIAN: I know!

KRIS: Now, though the officials of your world try to convince you that there is a worldwide shortage of food, close even to a worldwide famine because a few farmers have decided to produce corn for ethanol is truly not reason enough to experience a food shortage on such a scale almost overnight. You may not know it, but on the one hand you are being lied to and on the other hand you are almost being forced to lie to yourselves. You are being in many ways, enticed to add to that shortage of food by becoming fearful that food is running low. All your neighbors run to the supermarket to stock their basements. When you get to the supermarket, you see the shelves are almost bare and it seems to confirm, yes there is almost no food left, because it is all in your neighbors’ basements.

And on a worldwide scale some areas indeed are experiencing shortages but there are other vast areas that are not experiencing shortages, in fact that could still nourish a good segment of the human population. But by encouraging you to think this way simply out of fear, then you will be tempted to overspend and stock your basements and that in its own way may produce additional shortages in your areas and it will seem that the news casts are correct. The neighborhood has very little food so therefore the whole world is foodless. Where will your next meal come from? Does that make sense so far?

BRIAN: Definitely!

KRIS: It is a good thing to understand how the media work and also a good thing to understand marketing, the use of words and the manipulation of the masses and you can be assured that if there is the hint of or the impression of a shortage in fuel or in food or any other resource, on the one hand some individuals are likely to make a great deal of monies from the reactions and there are many, many times when it is truly helpful to not listen to the propagandas, to the news and to the manipulations that are inherent in those modes of communication.

Now it does not mean that you need to stick your heads in the sand like ostriches, but you can easily utilize autosuggestion or self-hypnosis and thus create a program so that your subconscious mind will not allow such brainwashing propaganda from entering your awareness and not influencing you negatively in that sense of the word. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Mmhm, very helpful.

KRIS: Indeed, thus you can program or suggest very nicely to your subconscious mind that you be drawn to articles and news that you choose to listen to, that uplift you, that exemplify the resiliency of human creativity and endeavors and that enrich life on all scales and that these scales of enrichment be large indeed. Thus it is possible for you to have control over your situation, over your feelings, because as we suggested not that long ago, feelings are more in line with your conscious processes than you have been led to understand.

For instance, if the news media, the propagandas, can lead you to feel fear that will kick in a great amount of ideas and imagery that reflect the feelings and that enhance those beliefs in line with that subject matter for they go hand in hand and the more you concentrate upon that, the more fearful you become, and the more fearful you become the easier it is to be manipulated by those who do these kinds of things. Does that also make sense?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: Thus your subconscious mind can be programmed very nicely and gently such that you pay attention to those news items and communications and conversations and encounters that uplift and enhance your own awareness in a positive and constructive manner and you do not even have to begin itemizing all of the other things you do not want to listen to. You do not want to negate your own programming, correct?

BRIAN: Correct.

KRIS: So you focus upon those things that you want and as the program begins to function on autopilot then it draws to you and it draws you to those situations that mirror and match the programming you have created. At the same time it does not mean that if you are aware of others in your neighborhood or neighbors themselves who are experiencing shortages that you would snub them. If the desire is there to assist, by all means follow that impulse and you might even be able to entice them to direct their thoughts, their focus, their attention towards those things that can enhance and enrich their lives instead of buying into those limiting and restrictive belief systems hook, line and sinker. Does that make sense?

BRIAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: If you desire to catch an inkling of where your mind is drawn, ourselves and others have always suggested that you pay attention, that you notice. Notice those things that you read or watch or listen to that send you into a tailspin; those things that you watch, listen and pay attention to that literally trigger reactions. Not that you should not have any reactions, but pay attention to the kinds of reactions and see if overall this is something worth keeping and cultivating or whether it is in your own best interests to move away from those situations and direct your attention to other areas of human activity whereby you are enriched through and through. But much more enriched than a sack of enriched white flour! Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes, in many areas. You just answered a couple of questions in that statement.

KRIS: Indeed. Any aspect of your life where you sense a lack you are first of all showing yourself what you are concentrating upon and that should be a wakeup call that you are concentrating on this because your feelings and your beliefs are in line, thus you agree, thus you experience. And if you recognize that “lack of” is not something you wish to cultivate, it is not something you want to have more of, because we do not know many individuals who would want to have more of nothing or very little of — most individuals would prefer to have more of the things that make them happy, that takes them to a greater level of experience because they are already focused upon happiness. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes it does. Thanks, Kris.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?

TOM: Kris, I have a question about what you just spoke of. It seems like feelings are coming into play more and more often here and I’m getting the impression that there is a language of feelings, that we might have two different feelings at the same time, or three, and need to be able to sort through them, and also that you might even be able to have a dream where there are no images but feelings telling us the whole story, is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed. In fact, even in your dreams it is very rare to not have a dream experience that contains no encapsulated feelings. The images themselves are feelings turned into allegorical imagery and the images evoke feelings within you, thus the images communicated the feelings to be awakened within you so you can be aware exactly of what you are focusing upon. So it is a very rich and potent communication system. In fact, it is sooo marvelous that for millions and millions and millions of eons you have not found a better way to experience those kinds of communications. The system is flawless! It is perfect in itself. Does that make sense to you so far?

TOM: Yes it does.

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: Do the Dream Walkers have feelings?

KRIS: You might not be able to experience them at that level in the way that you are accustomed but they generate feeling-tones but at such a caliber that your own capacitors might not be able to capture them, but they still exist though to your eyes they would be unrecognizable. There are many sounds that your eardrum does not register, correct?

BRIAN: Correct.

KRIS: And yet a dog’s eardrum can catch sounds that the human ear would never detect. Correct? And that can be said to be an example. Does it make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: Desiré, you had other aspects to that question. That inquiry also included noticing that you can experience several feelings simultaneously.

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: And at times they are, or can be, quite divergent kinds of feelings, correct?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Where do you think that comes from?

TOM: Generated by self as a communication throughout Self.

KRIS: That is a very good face-saving answer!

(Laughter)

You get an apple for that one.

MARK: We are, after all, multi-dimensional beings with different aspects.

KRIS: Indeed. You are literally composed of various aspects. The aspects themselves experience their own kind of reality within the context of your overall perceptions so you might have an aspect that — say you are asked to go to dinner — as aspect of you may have a strong desire to do so, another aspect may contemplate that you have too much work and going to dinner may appear frivolous, a waste of time. And another aspect still may have completely different reasons for going, while another may have another kind of reason for not going.

TOM: Okay, that makes sense.

KRIS: The point would be then, to take a moment and for yourself see which carries the highest level of benefits, what kind of outcomes are available that are beneficial, perhaps even ask yourself if you are being true to yourself overall and even though you might have disparaging and incongruent feelings on the subject matter because you will have an ability to notice all the different feelings, you still have the ability to choose which you will in the end choose to experience. And even though you might have some incongruencies, you can also suggest to yourself that yes, you are aware that you are of more than one mind on that subject matter and it is all right to have more than one mind on any given subject and you can sort them out in due time. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, we can think about each of the aspects, look at… well, the feelings of each of the aspects and look at the ones that are most predominant, but also dig deeper into any one that we would want to know more about why we feel that way when we are making our decisions.

KRIS: Indeed and you can very nicely attain the observer mode that gives you the ability to delve a little bit into each mind if you wish, and then make a decision. Now we want to point out something very nice: you said “We can,” correct?

TOM: I did? I may have, I can’t remember… Referring to what?

KRIS: Referring to exploring these various aspects and feelings. Now, on the one hand you are referring to “we” as many people, correct?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: But it may escape you that you are also speaking for the multiple “you.”

TOM: From the “we” perspective.

KRIS: Yes. Yourselves as “we,” because you are, for all intents and purposes, many people. You are the people of the world. You are many. We have often mentioned that you are all, literally, a civilization of selves. Some of these selves you call “focuses,” but ultimately the designations are almost irrelevant — not that they are, but almost — because ultimately you are a great nation of selves. You may see in the example we offered to the group yesterday, that Self is very much like a tree. It has many branches, it has many leaves and there is more still: each leaf is made up of many cells. So you are always the many in the one. Now do forgive us for sounding too Vulcan-like!

(Group chuckling)

But you are indeed the many in the one and the one in many. Thus, though on the one hand you use the royal “we,” — meaning the people, everyone, human beings — you might not specifically notice that you are also using an appellation that describes your selves. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, yes it does.

KRIS: Now we do not necessarily advocate that you go everywhere speaking of “we” as if you were royalty or you are the pope! Because you may raise an eyebrow or two! Suffice it to say you have the abilities, all of you, to understand and even appreciate that you are one in many simultaneously. As we have said many times, utilizing a Bengali expression: Achyntia Beda BedaTattva, you are simultaneously one and different from the Divine. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes, mmhm.

KRIS: Does this answer your inquiry?

TOM: Yes it does. Thank you.

BRIAN: Kris, on the subject of feelings and emotions, are they exclusive to Orodin only, or do other beings in other dimensions have feelings and emotions?

KRIS: They also do. They are the fundamental building block of any reality.

BRIAN: Of consciousness itself.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, other species of Essence may experiment with them in a completely different combination or even formulation. Some which you may not recognize because they would be too foreign to you, but they are still fundamental. Are there other inquiries from those who are so silent?

ALAN: Could we go back to the concept of trivialization for a moment?

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: And I assume what you mean by that is something like using a method such as Triple ‘A’ or what I call a correction to take the energy out of something that is an issue, but I guess my question is because these things tend to arise again and again, how do we tell the difference between when we have trivialized an issue and when we’re simply suppressing or denying it and shoving it off into the background somewhere?

KRIS: Indeed, a very valid inquiry. From our perspective, if you must fight with yourself, if you must push back and bury and use what you call the power and strength of your will to shove such issues out of your sight, then you are fighting a losing battle. You have already lost in that sense of the word. But if you can examine a situation and know it would certainly qualify as something you would desire to trivialize, to make small, and you can see yourself, find yourself, easily and naturally swimming away from and towards that which you want to make and emphasize into a very big deal. Then you can rest assured that this is what you are asking about. Does that make sense?

ALAN: So I gather from that that this is a two-part process and one is a going away from, but the other very important part is actually a going toward something else.

KRIS: Indeed and very naturally and easily you will find that in a short amount of time you may not even be concerned with going away from. You will simply gravitate towards and move towards that which you desire because there is a difference. If all you end up doing is trying to move away from, then you are still concentrating on that which you do not want. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Absolutely.

KRIS: And there are many, many methods to work that into your life, certainly the Yuen method, Triple ‘A’, there are many others, there is EFT and so many others but most of all the best method is the one you find works well for you. And you may even come to a point where you are so accustomed to knowing what you want to always move towards that you will do so naturally. Does that answer your inquiry?

ALAN: Yeah I can see how that part gets easily left out of the process.

KRIS: Indeed. Is there another inquiry?

JOHN: Kris, I love this stuff you’re doing on feelings. I love this direction very, very much. When I was a kid I was brought up to basically disregard my feelings as being not the issue, not the main point and it’s taken a shifting of gears for me to understand the importance. Now, with your help…. and actually, Abraham is very good on feelings, too… but I’m switching over and I see how I feel about something almost as like a compass and it’s a guide, it’s an absolute indication of what direction would be useful to follow.

KRIS: Indeed, and we are by no means advocating that maintaining or utilizing an intellectual, rational, logical approach should now be thrown out the window. That would be proverbially throwing the baby out with the bath water. It would do you no service of any kind. The point is to find for yourself that balance so that you can extrapolate a more complete observation and make better decisions for yourselves based upon a rounded out observation. Your feelings and feeling-tones tie in strongly into your emotional and imaginative nature, your creativity. Your intellect, your rational, conscious mind, your logical mind, also serves a very useful purpose and together they carry much more significance than choosing only one or the other. When you utilize both you gain so much more in awareness and in wisdom. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, it certainly does and it’s a nice balance although don’t worry about me throwing intellect out. That’s hard-wired at a real deep level. That’s not a problem there.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, most people also would not throw it out the window but may choose instead to suppress it and deal strictly with feelings. And you will see them running through fields with dandelions and daffodils in their hair, blowing bubbles from soapy water.

JOHN: (Laughing) And angels and fairies trailing behind them.

KRIS: Indeed. And there is nothing wrong with that kind of an expression, but you have a totally different slant on reality and such individuals might tend to suppress and deny other aspects of their persona: their rational, logical approach. For instance, such individuals might be prone to think that living in the moment is an absolutely concrete, literal event. Thus, you do not need to prepare for the future even in the most positive sense. Quite literally like the fable of the grasshopper and the ant. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh, yeah for sure. We need to use all our bits.

KRIS: Indeed, many bits make a bite.

JOHN: But the corrective of focusing… well, just allowing feelings to be meaningful…. I don’t know how many people share this upbringing but this is new for me. I went through decades setting aside my feelings and saying, “Well, that’s trivial, meaningless, what does it matter how you feel? What matters is getting the work done and what other people think is important, and world events and all of that stuff!”

KRIS: Indeed, and in itself a valid approach for those who can deal with it up to a point. Even they at a point in their lives need to and will come to recognize that feelings are also very important. Does that answer your inquiry?

JOHN: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Are there other inquiries or would you prefer a small break?

JOHN: I think it might be break time.

KRIS: Indeed then. (Humorously) See how you feel about that and then make up your minds!

(Group chuckling)

[Break at 8:37 PM John tells a story about his landlord's dog peeing on him, which leads into an amusing discussion about the medicinal aspects of urine, which I announced I would definitely not be transcribing! However, when Kris returns he riffs on the subject.]

KRIS: Now we trust you are all comfortable and from what we gather, boys will be boys!

(Laughter)

Now to continue our very laid-back evening, are there any other inquiries? (Pause)

JOHN: Well, if nobody’s got nuthin’ I’m going to ask a question, Kris, if I may.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Do you remember when we were talking earlier and you were saying make the big things small and raise up and cherish the little feel good things in your day? Here’s my question: let’s say someone is living in a war zone in Iraq, let’s say and they listen to this transcript and they say, “Okay, for me the big thing for me is the war that’s going on all around me and the fact that I can’t buy all those big things. The little things are sharing a cup of tea with my grandmother and happy moments and finding some food, whatever they may be… If a person were following that and they were living in a war zone, could they carve out a happier life for themselves, even though everything around them is pretty awful?

KRIS: Indeed, it is entirely within the realm of possible. There are many instances even during wars where individuals not only find some things to change their minds, but even fall in love with each other and that has a dramatic impact into their mindset. They will of course not willingly walk between crossfire thinking that if they do not pay attention to it then no bullets will get to them. No one need be that filled with bravado. They will, however, always be finding themselves in situations where, more and more, the events they concentrate upon become prominent. They may even find themselves in a situation where they are completely taken out of the war zone simply because of where their attention is drawing them. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, that’s interesting. So they might, once they change their tone, they might find themselves drawn to another place where there was no war.

KRIS: That is a possibility. There are even other possibilities quite within their reach and some individuals may choose — though unconsciously — may also choose to organize a disengagement so that the energies of their focus is taken completely out of that environment and into one where they can follow a more blissful existence.

JOHN: Now when you say “disengagement” you mean they die?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well, that’s a fascinating perspective, isn’t it?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: We wouldn’t, from our limited perspective, maybe count that as a “win,” but I can see what you’re saying, because they would be drawn to a place that was more harmonious to the feeling-tones that they were concentrating on.

KRIS: That is correct. There are many different possibilities that are inherent within that kind of an experience and mindset and we do wish to point out something very important along that line. You are still there, Sohars?

JOHN: I’m still here. I was temporarily on mute.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, the action of trivializing, making something small, what kind of an action would you call that?

JOHN: That would be adjusting your perception.

KRIS: Yes. And it is a very tactile kind of action, would you say?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed, and it is often something that you can do quite literally because when you are focusing, especially on the things you do not want, the things that are troubling you, bothering you, give you that proverbial pain in the neck, what is happening in your consciousness at that time but that the images that you are focusing upon are smack dab in your face, they literally block out your vision of any other possibility, so you feel then psychologically suffocated, smothered by it.

And very often it is not the thing itself that is smothering you, but the fact that you are making yourself unable to see beyond that imagery. You are reacting to the intensity of the imagery as it is literally obscuring or blocking out your vision of anything else, of any other possibilities. In other words, the images that you hold in your mind are truly, literally in your face, inches from your nose, blown up all out of proportion and the more blown up out of proportion, the more gigantic the imagery is that you hold there. The more troublesome it is. The more troubled you are. The more powerless you feel. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely. And so oftentimes the problem is our response to the imagery rather than the actual, physical reality that we’re living in.

KRIS: That is correct. Now when we say trivialize, make small, we mean that in a very literal term. The images that you are focusing upon are so in your face that your ability to see past that is hampered. Now if you were to take the imagery… Say you are thinking of a dog, a dog that may pee on you…

(Group cracks up)

JOHN: You just couldn’t resist that, could you?

KRIS: Indeed! And you hold that image very powerfully in your mind, you might even become fearful of it. All you might see is being inundated with the Niagara Falls of dog urine! And you may begin to react very adversely to such a situation.

JOHN: You’re absolutely right, Kris, in that analogy because my landlord was all ready to be quite emotionally upset and concerned and apologetic about what his little doggie did, but what I did was precisely to trivialize it. I said, “Hey, no problem. What’s a little pee? No problem!”

KRIS: Indeed. Now for other kinds of imagery and situations that you sometimes dramatically focus upon, you can literally take the imagery that is before your mind’s eye and begin to distance it from you, push it away so that the image, instead of being up in your nose like watching one of those large flat screen televisions with barely an inch between you and the screen. Push it back and pretend the image is now several feet from you. You would first of all begin to feel a kind of relief as if some tension is lessening in your body.

And if you keeping pushing it back further, dozens of feet, you might notice that you can take a deep breath and it feels much better. Now if you were to open a window and push the image out the window and across the street, you would feel even better. And if you pursue that line of thought and the image begins to go into the horizon as far as the eye can see and then some until it is no more, you would have a completely different experience. In fact you may live a moment of pure relief. So when you or anyone else are troubled or bothered by something you are concentrating upon, take a literal approach to that subject matter and see just how big and close up the image is to your nose. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And then play with it! You have that ability. It is, after all, nothing more than an image, a thought or an idea. Play with it. Push it back some and then more and then notice how your physiology responds. Your heart rate, your breathing, the pressure in your mind. And if it suits your fancy you can naturally and easily just allow it to fade into the distance. That is, then, a play on perspective that can make an immense difference in how you feel at any given moment. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Oh yes!

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Does anyone have any questions on that subject matter, on that very topic?

BRIAN: Well yes, and then you replace that with something you would desire and place that up to your nose, correct?

KRIS: Not that close! (Group laughs) Because you do not want to have another freak on!

BRIAN: Right, but you bring more of what you want into your mental picture.

KRIS: You can definitely so that it is comfortable for you.

TOM: Kris, we can do the same thing with feelings also, that we do with the images, right?

KRIS: You may find that the images are more than often accompanied by feelings and feelings by images. It is a matter of noticing and that which you do not want you can modify. We are not saying that this is an excuse to avoid dealing with the realities of life, but it will often give you an incredible advantage, give you a breather so that you can gather your thoughts and realize that you have other possibilities available to you. You simply have to enact to them.

JOHN: Well yes because as you say, with the images in our face we can’t even see the other possibilities but when we move that image out the window then what’s left is other options.

KRIS: Correct and again the idea is to be balanced in those kinds of approaches.

ALAN: So this in a way is what we were doing with our kind of juvenile humor over break, was taking something that we thought was a discard from the human body and by its own nature there must be something wrong or bad with it and kind of playing with it and trivializing it in order to take the emotional connections away from it.

KRIS: That is what you do with most things in your life and it is a rather simple process but one that is truly liberating once you understand how to use it in a balanced manner.

ALAN: So I’m assuming here that humor has a real part to play in something like this.

KRIS: Correct, because it literally shifts your perspective. It automatically trivializes many of your biggest worries because as we suggested, the worries are not about the things you think you worry about, they are usually about losing face, being humiliated and so on and so forth. It could be on the one hand that you are fearful of losing your investments but if you note the motivators behind those fears then the motivators are the fear. The fear behind the fear. The motivators may be that others will think you are a poor individual at playing the stock market or you are unable to find proper investments, you are unable to hold onto your monies, or you are unable to make good judgments and so on and so forth. All of these lead to areas of losing face, humiliation, and so on. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Oh absolutely!

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries? (Pause) Then, if there are no other inquiries we will leave you to be your loving selves and we will return Joseph to you.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: Indeed…. Is there another inquiry? (Pause) Then we thank you for your lovely consideration and may all of your images be soothing, life-affirming and fill you with vitality, little dog or not!

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

[Session ends at 9:11 PM]

Kris Radio: Value Fulfillment/Value Ideals

April 24, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 24, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am co-hosting on this beautiful spring day in Toronto along with…

JOHN: You’re co-hosting with me, Mark, thank you very much, and we are both co-hosting I suppose or maybe Serge is the star, I’m not sure…. but anyway…

SERGE: No, I’m just here, I’m just an innocent bystander.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: I’m not sure quite so innocent.

SERGE: Okay just a bystander. (Chuckling) Yes it is very nice out. In fact it feels like summer.

MARK: Oh we’ve had some great weather over the past week, we’ve been in shorts and T-shirts and …

SERGE: It sort of makes up for that six months of…

MARK: Oh, long…

SERGE: …grueling winter.

MARK: …hard winter. The trees are blooming, the cherry blossoms are all blooming, it’s beautiful out there.

JOHN: Yeah it’s almost air-conditioning time as a matter of fact.

MARK: Almost!

JOHN: Isn’t that sad, like we get one week of…

SERGE: No furnace.

JOHN: …room temperature.

MARK: I was making a joke the other day that God gave up on the dimmer switch and bleeding from winter, now he just flips the switch, it’s just winter summer, winter summer, boomp, boomp. (Laughing)

JOHN: Well you know I notice it particularly because in the spring and fall, for like a week or two in each case I get to have the windows in the house open.

MARK: Exactly, big time!

JOHN: And it’s so nice!

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: But then it gets too hot or too cold and you have to slam them down (the windows) and put on the machines.

MARK: I love having the windows open.

JOHN: Especially at night.

MARK: Yeah. So we have some…

MATT: Nice.

MARK: Matt. I hear Matt.

MATT: Hey, it has been snowing all week long here.

(Laughter)

MARK: You see that’s revenge for those times that you were in the hot tub and we had blizzards. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Right, right.

MATT: I know it, it’s ridiculous how cold it is here, it’s just crazy!

MARK: Wow, that Canada!

JOHN: That’s what you get for coming up and doing business in Canada!

NICOLE: Yeah!

JOHN: How are you Nicole?

NICOLE: Oh I’m doing just fine.

JOHN: Good.

NICOLE: Having fun, going out and doing some meetings, but it is cold, as a matter of fact I wore a suit obviously to my meeting the other day with my Ugg boots.

(Laughter)

NICOLE: Because there was so much snow on the ground, I thought “forget fashion, man, we’re just going for comfort and warmth.”

(Laughter)

MARK: Wow what a difference. We’ve literally had two Kris walks and in literally shorts and T-shirts.

MATT: Wow!

MARK: Yeah.

MATT: How is the park looking?

MARK: Oh it’s great, the trees are blossoming and it’s wonderful.

MATT: Wow, I remember when we went on a Kris walk, Kris said that that park changes every single time somebody perceives it.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: Hmm that’s an interesting thought. I imagine it’s not just the park that has this peculiar…

MARK: That’s right.

JOHN: …characteristic, it’s probably everybody!

MARK: Everything.

MATT: Everybody and everything, absolutely.

(Laughter)

NICOLE: And every leaf, I remember him talking about every blade of grass and every leaf and the flowers and I remember before going in and when Serge, before Serge was bringing out Kris, Serge was talking about the different flowers, do you remember that and the plants, Serge? And all of the healing of the different plants, and boy Kris just went off on that and talked about… oh that was an incredible…

MARK: Kris has a knack for using the environment in his chats.

JOHN: Do you get the feeling he’s rather fond of nature?

MARK: Oh big time. You’ll be very happy to know that we started a new publication, it’s… rather than just a book it’s a booklet and it’s going to be small, he’s got a whole bunch planned. He’s got a very aggressive schedule for us this year and he’s got a whole series of publications that he wants out, to draw attention to the material also be able to get out there faster than the big book that we’ve almost completed.

JOHN: That sounds like a great idea maybe this could be like a little e-book that could be distributed electronically.

MARK: Possibly, it’s possible. It might be out in print, I’m not certain at this point yet, but it’s begun.

NICOLE: Wow that’s fantastic!

MATT: Sounds like more work for Mark!

(Laughter)

MARK: Speaking of… did I tell you I quit my job?

MATT: You did!?

MARK: I…

MATT: Yeah! Woohoo!

MARK: I’ve got one week left of full-time work and we might go on strike on Monday (Laughing)
so I might not even have the week!

MATT: Nice. Wow you know I can’t even tell you how happy I am for you, and for you and Serge and for all of us listeners too.

NICOLE: No, no kidding, gosh I remember in Toronto, what was that, I mean that was last…

MARK: Summer.

NICOLE: July right?

MARK: Yeah.

NICOLE: We were saying “hey, you know what Marky Mark, it’s time to come on let’s go, let’s get you out of that job” and how exciting is that?

MARK: I’m still going to stick around part-time for a bit but I’m definitely going to have a lot more time to spend with Kris.

MARK: Wow, that’s wonderful.

MARK: Speaking of Kris, this Saturday is the first of phase two of the CMI group. The Consciousness Mentoring Institute.

MATT: Excellent.

MARK: Starts up on Saturday, so if you haven’t paid your tuition I guess you can call it, (Laughing) for the course…

JOHN: What time is it (starting)? 10:00 (AM)?

SERGE: I think it’s at 2 (PM), I can’t… or noon.

MARK: Noon.

SERGE: Noon. I gotta remember off the top of my head.

JOHN: Well you’ll be sending out an e-mail anyway.

SERGE: Yeah. Probably tomorrow or… make sure everyone is on the get-go and ready for it.

MARK: Exciting!

NICOLE: Yeah, strap yourselves in!

(Laughter)

MATT: Well you guys will be happy to know that the Arizona retreat is still going on down in Arizona.

MARK: The bus is still there.

MATT: Natalie and Taane spent the week with Marlene and they’ve been reading and listening to Kris material for a couple of weeks now.

NICOLE: Yeah I think they’re processing.

MARK: They had a private session too.

NICOLE: All kinds of stuff.

MATT: Yeah you know what Kris said in the private session? He actually said that they have a focus in 85 years in the future in Hawaii and of course I said “boy mama, I can’t imagine what you’re gonna look like in a bikini in 85 years.”

(Laughter)

JOHN: I am not sure that’s very appropriate.

SERGE: You like just a little bit of ground glass in your drinks, huh? (Laughing)

MATT: Hey, she’s my mother-in-law. I can say those things!

JOHN: Okay, okay, I trust you on that.

MARK: Oh that’s priceless.

SERGE: We’re gonna have to ask Marlene what she could say about her son-in-law, it’s her son-in-law. (Laughing)

NICOLE: Yeah good thing she doesn’t have a mike.

JOHN: And the son-in-law doesn’t look any hell in a bikini either.

(Laughter)

MATT: Yeah I wouldn’t look any better.

SERGE: Especially 85 years from now.

MATT: Or five minutes.

NICOLE: The private sessions with Kris are just amazing and it’s really neat, they’ve been sharing with me some of their stuff too, out of their private sessions and I’m sure they’ll put it up for everybody to listen to if they’d like but yeah, amazing stuff.

MARK: Yeah, that’s amazing. They’re having a wonderful time down there too. They’re loving your property.

MATT: Yeah, and you know what, they’re a blessing. They’re blessing to have.

MARK: Well we’re almost 10 minutes in and we haven’t had any sirens yet.

JOHN: No, they will come. I was saying in a post on your forum a week ago or so that I see the sirens and all the various snorts and snuffles and hiccups and what not that come along, as in a way, a kind of punctuation of the material?

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: So the…

MATT: Did you see what Chris from Boston put about the sirens?

JOHN: No.

MARK: He says, “what do sirens mean? Well they mean that help is on the way.”

JOHN: Oh yeah, that’s right, it’s very cute.

MARK: And he utilizes the Kris material, for him it means that help is on the way.

JOHN: Help is on the way!

MATT: You know it also means “pay attention” to me anyhow, you know like “pay attention something’s happening”.

MARK: Yup, I agree with that.

NICOLE: It’s almost like an alert or a wake up, you know, when you hear sirens you, it just brings your attention to focusing in on just a second and…

MARK: Kris just likes to have a grand entrance.

NICOLE: Yes that’s probably it.

MARK: Speaking of…

JOHN: Speaking of which…

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable.

MARK: Yes thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration even though we might be perceived as a slave driver.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Now all kidding aside, our three companions had a very interesting little discussion after their meal concerning value fulfillment. Do you recall?

JOHN: Yes we do.

KRIS: Indeed. How would you summarize value fulfillment?

JOHN: We were talking about the material on Serge’s website called “Mind of Excellence” and it’s actually based on a Seth, some Seth material, the idea is that even though anyone at any given time may not be perfect, that they can strive towards excellence so that in any given situation you can fulfill the potential of that situation.

KRIS: Indeed. Value fulfillment per se is that drive or thrust or momentum that propels consciousness to experience and to always seek ways and venues and means to express itself and more particularly, to express itself as more than it was a moment before. Not necessarily better in that sense of the word but as MORE THAN. Thus you see throughout cultures and societies and civilizations, always this movement towards exploring its own potentials, however that is done and whatever that may mean to you. As such, you yourselves, though you may consider yourself merely human or filled with struggles and strife, know that you can move towards that state whereby you are able, quite easily and naturally to become more than what you were before. This is what keeps your societies and your entire civilizations in that forward momentum.

It is easy to compare one civilization to another and establish a conclusion that perhaps the new civilization has fallen away from the grandeur, the heights of accomplishments of the previous one. There may indeed be something else at work altogether and if you come to understand what can truly be considered an absolute, that value fulfillment will lead you to the heights of excellence of your own being, to express that excellence in as many ways as is possible for you. An excellent example is an artist or artiste, whichever your preference. You will always find such an individual whether with paints or sculpture or writing, any kind of artist always seeks to go beyond his or her own comfort zone, always move towards excelling well beyond his or her capacities. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes I think it does!

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: It is a motivator of the utmost importance. The only time when there are certain challenges or difficulties along those lines is when an individual learns, literally learns to resist, learns to withhold and block that momentum towards his or her own excellence. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yeah that’s a happy thought really, so we don’t have to try to strive for excellence, we just have to remove the blocks we’ve put up and let nature take its course.

KRIS: In so many words, indeed, and you might even consider that by understanding this natural principle of consciousness you could even consider it to be one of the main constitutions of consciousness. By understanding it and making it part of your experience, even that which may cause blockages can easily be put into perspective and allow the natural momentum of consciousness to carry you beyond your own limitations, for that is what it is all about: perceived limitations, restraining that momentum to excel. You do not find any human being, though there may very well be a few exceptions here and there, but you normally find human beings attempting to be more than they were. Does that make sense?

(John confirms)

KRIS: You do not find people attempting to be less than what they were before.

JOHN: Except people who are trying to lose weight, of course. (Laughing)

MARK: Yeah, true. When you do find those people though, those are the times when they’re in their dark periods, when they’re very depressed and sad and glum and possibly even suicidal is when they…

KRIS: And even such individuals are looking for the key to open the gateway to that sensed absolute within themselves.

MARK: That’s right because it’s only perception that those blockages…

KRIS: It is an idea as well and concept. And because of the manner in which you respond to ideas, including thoughts, feelings, emotions etc., you may consider this to be the reality but it is merely a perception. And this does not in any way shape or form put down anyone who is in the midst of wrestling with their own fears and concerns along those lines. On the contrary, it is meant to be a reminder that they have access to that power, that energy to lift themselves up beyond the boundaries they have established about themselves.

By understanding this absolute, you also make available to yourself the same principle that governs the expansion of the universe, the expansion of ideas, the expansion of Self. That is the motivator behind developing awareness and enlightenment. Does that make sense to you?

(John confirms)

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: And enlightenment or awareness does not mean blocking out or denying any aspect of Self or the universe but to actually embrace the entire package, as it were.

MARK: As we discovered in “The Secret Behind the Triple A.” Accepting of Self, all of Self.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you have an inquiry on this subject?

MARK: No.

JOHN: Well I had a thought while you were talking, Kris, about boundaries and limitations. And it occurred to me, “okay how come we keep developing these pesky boundaries and limitations?” And what came to me immediately was: boundaries and limitations are a way for us to define a reality, a comfort zone, a space within which we can explore comfortably? And once we’ve explored everything we want to at that particular, in that little pocket of reality, then the barriers and limitations become something that we need to expand beyond but the reason that we keep getting barriers and limitations in our lives is because they’re very handy things!

KRIS: That is indeed an acceptable perspective in that the act of observing your actions in the creation of that reality at that moment is necessary. You are a physically focused consciousness. You need to be aware of what it is that you are creating at that moment. That is why you engage in the act of creation, to develop that awareness.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: As such, it is also of the utmost importance in your study of the actions of your consciousness that difficulties come when there is a fear of releasing, of letting go and moving beyond that particular observation. And as a species you have learned already many valuable insights or lessons along those lines and you are still in the process of creating more teachings in that way for yourselves.

MARK: Another thing about our species is that we’re creatures of habit. We love our rituals and our patterns, and a pattern or a ritual or just a day to day…

KRIS: Indeed and thankfully, for most of you, you do not all like plaid.

MARK: (Laughing) But these patterns that we get ourselves into may have brought us more than or brought us into a better place but we need to move beyond that but sometimes we keep those behaviors.

JOHN: Yes I like what you’re suggesting there Kris about how the very act of perception could be thought of as in a way, in a kind of a way as a kind of limitation because I’m just thinking about eye sight, if my eyes, if I had X-ray vision for instance and I could see right through you, what would the point of that be because what I want to see is the clothes you’re wearing and your body, like so that if I had perfect vision that saw through everything it would be useless to me because what I want to see is barriers and limitations and that’s why I’ve set it up that way.

MARK: But beauty is internal. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Okay. Let’s have a look at your X-rays!

KRIS: Indeed you all have beautiful guts.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Now as we suggested, the difficulties arise when you hold on to your challenges and any manifestation thereof as if there will not be another afterwards. Yet your very experiences with reality indicate there is always something else, so again, a matter of perception.

Behind all of this, this thrust, this momentum, this value fulfillment is the motivating factor for your belief structures, for your feelings and everything else you’ve thrown into that basket. So you utilize, you are not limited by, but you utilize belief systems, you utilize all of these things as extremely valuable to the things you are experiencing and discovering about yourselves. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yes it does.

KRIS: So we mention this specifically to perhaps appease the minds of those who believe that there is an inner gremlin now out to get them: their beliefs or their subjective awareness or their thoughts or that they will be hunted down if they express a thought they deem negative. We do not believe that George Orwell’s “1984″ is a reality yet. So it is quite all right to engage in any kind of thought that you want and you will not be hunted down for it.

JOHN: Well you know that is something that I think quite a lot of people are gonna draw some comfort from Kris, because I know, for my own discussions with people that there’s some people who are terrified of even having certain thoughts.

KRIS: Or even having any kind of beliefs, as if all beliefs are there for some kind of internal nasty, a parasite that must be purged out.

JOHN: Sort of like the ego.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yes so it’s very helpful to see that all of these things are… the prime mover behind them is value fulfillment.

KRIS: Indeed. And we may point out since you brought up this subject, that in terms of your present focus experience, in terms of reality, you do have a lens or instrument that allows you to recognize value fulfillment, to appreciate it and yourselves. Do you know where that is?

JOHN: Pleasure.

KRIS: Your egos.

JOHN: Oh, our egos!

KRIS: Without being able to make that conscious distinction you would not be able to fully appreciate the distinction and distinguishing factors in all of these creations.

JOHN: Oh that’s a useful thing to know. So the ego is the way we identify consciously what value fulfillment is!

KRIS: Indeed. Now value fulfillment always is, it always was, and it will always be. But you have the means to recognize it as a vibrant force in your life through the venues of your ego, the conscious mind and everything associated with it. Otherwise everything would remain unconscious in those terms.

JOHN: Yeah and that’s no fun.

KRIS: You did create the ego first of all. You did not create it to be a curse; you created it to be able to assist you in the terms of the conscious mind. Thus it is as valuable as any instrument of consciousness that you create. It becomes an impediment when you consider that it is nothing else. Please feel free to continue.

MARK: Matt, Nicole, anything out there?

JOHN: Apparently not even them.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 7:30.

KRIS: Indeed, perhaps a brief break might be in effect.

MARK: Okay.

JOHN: All-right-ty.

(Musical interlude break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m here with John and Serge and we’ve been talking to Kris about value fulfillment!

JOHN: Very interesting to me that he said that it was, could be thought of as an absolute and he doesn’t, there aren’t many absolutes you know.

MARK: Absolutely. (Laughing)

SERGE: Except Absolut [Vodka]!

(Laughter)

SERGE: Would you like that with a twist of lemon?

JOHN: And it’s a… he defined it as the constant process of consciousness expressing itself as more than it was before.

MARK: Absolutely.

JOHN: I like that idea. And it’s interesting, I was reading in Seth recently about an idea and he says that an idea can become more refined without taking up any more space, right? So that this universe that we’re in right now can go through endless value fulfillment without you know, using up any physical resources, it just gets finer and finer and finer.

MARK: No real estate needed.

JOHN: No real estate needed at all.

MARK: Did we get Matt and Nicole back?

MATT: Yeah, were here!

MARK: Hey!

NICOLE: Hello, hello!

SERGE: Must be that snow in Calgary.

MATT: Yeah, we’re getting snowed in.

MARK: Were there any questions?

MATT: No. There weren’t any questions but I had a question from last week. Can I throw in a question from last week?

JOHN: Well we may as well wait until his nibs gets back. What was the question?

MATT: Well I wanted to get your guys’ feedback.

MARK: Okay.

MATT: You know how Oprah has “after the show” on like a different station? You guys should start recording your dinner conversations and have “before the show.”

(Laughter)

MARK: Oh no!

JOHN: That might cramp our style a little bit Matt. Cause we make a lot of off-color comments over dinner.

(Laughter)

MATT: Well we can have Marlene edit it out.

SERGE: And mostly about the spaghetti, the pasta, you know.

JOHN: No, but I like the idea. I like the idea because…

MATT: You know I was…

JOHN: Go ahead.

MATT: Oh no, no, I’m sorry, go ahead. Finish.

JOHN: Oh, all right. I like the idea because very often as you know, he will pick up something that we were talking about and make that a part of the discussion.

MARK: Well if you notice during the regular sessions I keep the recorder going through breaks.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: And those often become pertinent to the following discussion. His nibs is back.

KRIS: Indeed, in all our nib-ness. Now if you consider for a moment just how important value fulfillment is, it might also give you insights into how important you as an individual are because you are an expression, the value fulfillment of the universe, of consciousness because you are both. So when you are tempted to feel sorry for yourself, to feel downtrodden because something did not go the way you wanted it to go or because you did not get your mountain of gold and therefore what is the point of all of this. Think for a moment that deep within your thoughts, deep within your awareness and deeper still within the very core of your being, there is this pool of fuel, literal consciousness fuel that you can use to propel yourself beyond those particularly limiting thought patterns.

That you have the power, the abilities and the wherewithal to come to terms very quickly with any situation you feel has brought you down in one way or another by understanding that you have the means to move beyond those particular shadowy states due to your being in part and parcel of the value fulfillment of consciousness and the universe. Thus moving towards your value ideals can bring about a very profound shift in your awareness and in the paradigm of yourself. A simple enough observation, one that can so easily be forgotten since you operate mostly on the opposite principle, but the very thought of being an expression of the value fulfillment of the universe is a profoundly unifying and healing concept, do you not find?

JOHN: I do!

KRIS: By keeping it in the forefront of your thoughts, your energies, your feelings, you can literally move forward through most blockages that you perceive. Does that make sense?

(John confirms)

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: I can hardly wait for a problem to crop up now that I’ve got that huge pool of value fulfillment waiting to flow through me.

KRIS: You could even say that as human beings you are the physicality of value fulfillment. You are the breathing, thinking, walking aspect of that energy.

JOHN: Quite a responsibility, really.

KRIS: No more than taking the chicken eggs to the market making certain you do not break them all…

(Laughter)

KRIS: …but in other ways far more significant because that energy that permeates your awareness through and through – it is easy to deny it but it is easier to allow it.

JOHN: Oh, there’s a quote. “Easier to allow it.”

KRIS: Now are there questions?

JOHN: Well you used a phrase that I… triggered something for me and that was the phrase “value ideals.” That we can achieve our value ideals by tuning in to this surging living force of value fulfillment that we are – that’s inside of us. Now what would be the value ideal of value fulfillment? So far I’m getting that it’s basically an expansion is the ideal. An expansion…

KRIS: For example you can contemplate what some of your ideals are. What would some of those ideals be that you hold?

JOHN: An ideal that I hold is wisdom love joy peace tranquility service.

KRIS: Indeed. Now if you care to consider the possibility that there is a core ideal that you value more than any other what do you think that would be?

JOHN: Oh boy. I’m thinking being the best, the best that I can be in any given situation.

KRIS: Indeed. And from our perspective, value ideals drive towards the fulfillment of those very specific items over and above the ideal to be charitable, to be good, to be nice, to be friendly, compassionate. Dig beneath, find that ideal that would supersede all others and for some people it may require a little bit of digging but once you capture the sense of it, once you capture the feeling of it and dive into that concept of value ideal, you can utilize it to propel yourself well beyond any kind of limiting factor you might have thought necessary in any way, shape, or form. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, in fact I want to change my answer. I said that it was to be the best that I can be but I’m catching the drift of what you’re suggesting here. It’s not to be the best that I can be; it’s to be better than I have ever been.

MARK: Is that your final answer?

(Laughter)

JOHN: I think so!

KRIS: We prefer “Deal or no Deal.”

JOHN: No, but the idea of expansion.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: The idea of saying the goodness here is the excellence and what the best is to go a little further than we’ve ever gone before.

KRIS: Indeed, to experience more and more of that state. That is, you could say unit of awareness that seeks to raise the bar higher than it was yesterday.

JOHN: That’s right. Now it’s interesting, in that context to try and imagine that in terms of simultaneous time because that almost seems to presuppose that there’s a time line and in order to be better than we have been then… you know I’m trying to say?

KRIS: Indeed we could even add to this by mentioning that the only reason you have simultaneous time is in order to express those value ideals in every way possible. That gives credence to simultaneous time, to the ever now in any way you can conceive of it. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yeah I’m catching a glimpse of it, because without that factor in the eternal now there would be no change, it would be static.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: And so that this fulfillment is what, I mean even though it’s still now, it’s a different now, it’s a richer now than it was.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: That’s good.

KRIS: So though we haven’t gone into great depth on this subject matter it is sufficient to give you insights into the inner workings of your consciousness. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes absolutely. The kicker for me was that idea that what I am in my being-ness is a value fulfillment of All That Is – I’m liking that!

KRIS: And who would not?

JOHN: Exactly!

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?

TIM: Value fulfillment, I’m trying to get away from time lines here and I’m trying to work on a circular version of time where we as creatures are on a developmental plane, which can take us as easily into the so-called past as into the so-called future, which is just this circle. What I’m trying to figure out is “what is the relationship between what we perceive as good and evil?” I’ve been playing with the notion that the play of these two opposites somehow allows for that progression toward value, higher value, a greater awareness.

KRIS: Indeed that could be considered a very loaded inquiry. As quickly as we can provide an answer, let us say that the notions of good and evil that still make up a large portion of the belief structures of your societies and cultures has been deemed necessary by your collective to provide a thrust in-line with value fulfillment so that you can always move towards that which you consider the highest ideal, moving away from that which you no longer want in your consciousness.

Over the course of many millennia the concept has of course evolved all on its own, filled with its own distortions and misinterpretations but basically you play with the opposites in that way because it still gives you a sense of being yourselves as you pursue your individual and collective growth and it is a concept that will eventually be dropped as no longer fulfilling the greater sensed values of your own ideals. Consider it similar to that of the cocoons’ shell as the caterpillar eventually becomes transformed, metamorphosed into a butterfly.

Along the way, during its metamorphosis, that which used to be the caterpillar literally dies and a tiny spark of energy a tiny cellular process begins to take place within that sensed death and transforms the process into what you see emerging from the cocoon as a butterfly. And similarly, the human race will also emerge from the restraints of its own cocoons – cocoons it has created just as the butterfly, in its own butterfly-ish way it understands that in order to become what it was, it had to die to the idea of what it once used to be. Does that make sense?

TIM: Yeah.

JOHN: Yes, I find it fascinating, the idea that we’re going to ultimately drop this idea of good and evil, is that what you said?

KRIS: At a certain time and point in your existence, yes you will.

JOHN: That’s very interesting.

KRIS: You will have other paradigms but they may fulfill you in other ways that you cannot imagine at this point in your existence.

JOHN: That’s very interesting.

MARK: Thanks, Tim for that question.

TIM: Shakespeare said… this may help, Shakespeare said: “nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”

KRIS: Correct. There is a fair bit of wisdom in this Shakespeare fellow.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Okay well…

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 10 to.

KRIS: Indeed do you have any other inquiries? Perhaps in Skypeland there are inquiries?

MATT: Yeah I have a question. You know Nicole and I were just sitting here listening to the butterfly analogy and it’s amazing how many wonderful messages there are in the animal kingdom. Are we creating these messages to remind us of our selves, why are we creating all this?

KRIS: You collectively generate the energies necessary to animate consciousness in so many wonderful ways including the manifestations of the animal kingdom and they engage their own energies in their own ways for their own fulfillment even though the energies are tied into your own fulfillment. Every single life form, animate or inanimate, every item of consciousness is intricately and intimately functioning, creating on the principle that the fulfillment of one unit of consciousness, of one nanon brings fulfillment to the whole of creation. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Yeah that’s great.

KRIS: Your eyes want to see beautiful things thus you look about yourselves and you see beauty, you see beautiful birds and other creatures, you see beautiful human beings, you see beautiful sunsets, you see beautiful full moons, sunrises, so the potential is there for you, you simply need to focus upon it. And if you do take the time to focus upon the contents of this discussion, value fulfillment and value ideals, you may indeed see that never at any point in time were you bereft of resources, of tools to transform your position, your situation, your manifestations in any way you idealized. Does that make sense?

JOHN: It’s a happy thought.

NICOLE: Absolutely, absolutely.

JOHN: Yeah.

NICOLE: And so Kris, as human beings, the metamorphosis that we go through as from a Caterpillar to a butterfly, is the exchange and what we go through the releasing of fear and learning to trust so that we can move it into that place where we can be the butterfly? Is that the core of…

KRIS: It is an appropriate analogy. Once you learn that the cocoon you thought imprisoned you is not a prison but another stage of your own development and fulfillment, then you can free yourself of any of the shackles that you imagined restrained you. And then you are entirely free to go from flower to flower from experience of life to experience of life and the drink in its nectar. Does that make sense to you?

NICOLE: Oh my goodness, yes. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything put more beautifully than that.

KRIS: Indeed then, any other inquiries?

MATT: I’ve a question from last week, I don’t want to take us off topic but maybe you can segue them together, we were talking about approval of Self and I’ve been thinking all week long about how much of our approval of Self comes from comparing ourselves to others and how much of our approval of Self is actually based solely on our perception of ourselves. You know if we lived on a deserted island and there was nobody to compare ourselves to, would we feel different about ourselves?

KRIS: That remains to be seen, in the sense that you can utilize both in a way that assists you to drive towards your own value ideals. If you compare yourself to others and believe that you always fall short in the comparison, then you might be setting the stage for some disappointments, mostly in yourself. But if you use comparison as a means to fuel your own development, your own expansions of awareness to discover other things you might like to learn about, to explore within consciousness, that is an entirely different issue. There are always two sides to any concept. Does that make sense?

MATT: Yes.

NICOLE: Absolutely. And so really conversing with other people is a way for us to explore different belief systems and different ways of, different ways that people do things so that we can open ourselves up and not get stuck in the trap of the… well whether it be the personality or just the routines and the habits or your automatic pilot but literally to be able to explore different options and to give ourselves more choices is that right?

KRIS: As was quoted moments ago, the thinking make(s) it so. Does that make sense to you?

NICOLE: Yes.

MATT: So if we’re comparing ourselves to others, because it’s not always a negative comparison, a lot of times it’s a positive comparison, you know I’m doing better than that person or…

KRIS: Indeed, then very often you realize that the comparison is actually a modeling. You discover clues to your own hidden talents and the actions and the patterns and the habits and the voice and the thoughts of others and you grow.

MATT: You know I feel like I do are really good job of modeling and you know, cause I looked at people and think what characteristics do they have that I would like to be stronger in?

KRIS: Indeed! You do a very good job of modeling that is what Joseph understood when he consulted with the great god Two Drinks Too Many.

(Laughter)

MARK: I was picturing the bikini on the beach.

NICOLE: Come on, Kris, don’t give him too much here, I’ve got to live with him every day!

(Laughter)

MATT: So it’s not a bad thing to compare yourself to others if I guess if you do it in a constructive way?

KRIS: Correct. The only difficulties is when the others begin to impose limitations and absolutes such as “it is wrong to compare” because they may have had an ineffective experience in that way. It is only wrong when you decide it is. Does that make sense?

MATT: Absolutely.

NICOLE: Absolutely. And so…(lost the rest as Nicole and Kris were speaking at the same time)

KRIS: Using certain words is wrong only when someone has decided to make it wrong. For instance, there are many philosophies that say that the use of certain words should never be: such as judging. Judgmentalism is another thing altogether and that may be more harmful than good in those terms but you use judging and judgment, you use discernment on a daily basis. If you did not do that you might just as easily suck air from a tailpipe and say it is good and drop dead. Do you follow?

NICOLE: Absolutely. And also don’t we create those people and bring those people into our lives and create those outward reflections to show us parts of our Self that were not accepting?

KRIS: That is also correct. The point is that value yourself and your fulfillment will follow. And with that we thank you for your valued consideration and return Joseph to your lovely selves.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Thanks Matt and Nicole, thanks for Hugh on the boards.

MATT: Oh, well thanks for having us.

MARK: You’re very welcome. And state tuned for “Cat and Taylor’s Spiritual Feast” here on ThatRadio.com. Goodnight.

MATT: Goodnight everyone.

NICOLE: Goodnight!

(Session ends)

Private Session with Tom Chez

April 23, 2008

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Tom Chez (Desiré)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 23, 2008

(Session begins)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable…

TOM: Yes, hello Kris.

KRIS: Indeed, and we thank you for your consideration.

TOM: Nice to talk to you again.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Today I’d like to start out by discussing “Trust in Self” and the ego perspective role in this function in conjunction with our inner communications.

KRIS: Indeed. And are you ready for the discussion? You might be ready for questions on that very subject matter – you are ready for the material?

TOM: I think I am. My questions have been mounting and at this point in my life I am ready to figure this out finally.

KRIS: Indeed. Firstly, we would like to comment that from our perspective there is a change within you, in that you are more prone to experiencing what you would call simply being happy. Is that correct?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: And less of all the other things you have often been dealing with for a long time.

TOM: That’s correct.

KRIS: Now then, how would you like to approach the subject matter?

TOM: Well I wrote some things down here so I guess I could just read off what I’ve written. I guess the ego perspective… from what I’ve done so far in my inner communications I’ve noticed some ego perspective coming into play where I worried a bit about the quality of what I was getting, whether it would be there or not, and what other people would think about what I was saying.

Then I realized after a while… the introduction was good and what I was able to do was really good… but then I realized that I couldn’t go on like that because I was basically stifling the communication with my expectations. I had to just take a long hard look at what beliefs I had that were shaping this. Why couldn’t I just let it be what it would be? What does it have to be? Why is it important that it be a certain way for me? Why is it important that other people even get to hear my communications? Why is it that I cannot ask anything that I want to ask from myself? I just don’t feel like I have that much trust developed yet – that I could do that.

So I’m finding that I’m always waiting for feedback and worried about the quality and I’m wondering what is the proper ego perspective to hold? I know we don’t want to be completely egotistical and I know we don’t want to be at the opposite end feeling completely worthless – we want to be someplace in-between in a state of allowing. I think (that) might be the best place to be with all this.

KRIS: Indeed, a most worth wild line of inquiry. Now, we have encountered many individuals who in the early stages of their inner communications feel a great and urgent need that their communication solve all of humankind’s struggles within 500 words or less. And if their communication cannot do that simple task, then of what use or worth is it?

And that in itself – though the intent may be magnanimous, even majestic – the approach is a surefire way to end the process, because the conscious mind, though it may contemplate these notions, it will still become so overwhelmed it will shut down the process.

It is like training and encouraging a young child to swim in the pool. Now if you tell the child that they need to learn to swim within the next few minutes because after that you will throw them in the middle of the ocean and they have to swim to either shore. The child will not learn to swim and may even prefer to drown before any other drastic measures are imposed upon him. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes. That’s the ego perspective…?

KRIS: That is correct. That is the conscious mind, conscious participation that more or less is trying to establish a control over a situation it may not fully grasp. Because you can read all of the books on the subject matter, you can read all the books produced by others along those lines and you may think that because you have an intellectual grasp on the concepts presented, that of course putting your toes in the ocean automatically grants you – it entitles you to be able to swim the ocean. And of course if that were the case then many people would be swimming the ocean, but it is not.

It is a subject matter that must be approached with a certain kind of finesse, a certain diplomacy if you will in the sense that you are opening the doors to a vast inner realm of knowledge. You may call it the subconscious; any appellation is truly insignificant in the long run, you are simply opening the doors to the deep Self.

As such, one would prefer to do some reconnaissance first of all, to get an idea of the lay of the land. Then one would want to explore a little further to understand perhaps the customs, the laws, the habits of the inhabitants of that land to familiarize yourself with it. Then once you start interacting with the individuals and learning their customs, learning their language, their history, their beliefs, you may more freely mingle with them and travel to and from much more easily and naturally. If one simply barges into an unknown area, a foreign land, you may very well be asked to show your passport.

TOM: Ok.

KRIS: These are all allegory, but you at least understand the principle. To become accustomed, to be gentle with yourself – it would for example, it would be most unbecoming if you were to find yourself in a distant province of China and become upset and angry because you cannot learn the language the first few minutes you are landed there. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: So you would want to be gentle with yourself, you would want to consider all the possibilities, and that may only happen by being quiet. The conscious mind may desire to know everything all the time. Very often the conscious mind is like the child in the family car, constantly asking “Are we there yet?” “Are we there yet?” “Are we there now?” “Are we there yet?” “Are we there soon?” Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes. That’s a nice perspective. I understand.

KRIS: Now it dose not mean that the conscious mind is non-intelligent – it is. But it simply has a different way of understanding and relating to the universe. And its little domain – that which it surveys – it thinks it is the master of it all, it is the master of everything, and it may be disconcerting to discover that – that is not the case. Thus it needs to be gentle, to be compassionate, and to have patience with Self – as you have discovered is very necessary.

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: In another kind of an approach for instance, if you were an archeologist finding yourself in an ancient land, it would do you very little good to get frustrated because you do not understand the language of these people who may have existed thousands of years ago. You need to explore. You dig. You look for artifacts. You find remnants of their pottery. You find remnants of their art. You find remnants of their culture expressed in their artwork. You may even find remnants of their language – and these make take quite some time to decipher.

But your fieldwork will prove invaluable with that patience, as it will reveal the fruits of your labor. You may begin to understand how all of these pieces come together – the worshipping in the temples the writing the artwork their politics their customs and their moors and their values. All of these things will come together and it will give you as an archeologist a clear picture of whom and what these ancient people were. And in that way you will be rewarded with knowledge and wisdom. And you can easily compare these ventures into the Self along the lines of archeological work, because you are exploring feeling tones, images, and many others. But these come from an area of Self that is much larger than the little sandbox, which the ego has been surveying for these last decades. Does that also make sense?

TOM: Yes it does. So if I understand this correctly, I would be better to approach this – more listening than asking questions. Is that what you’re saying?

KRIS: Indeed, though we are not suggesting to eliminate questions. Have you ever had the pleasure of being introduced to someone and that someone asks you questions and then they start talking and they never shut up long enough for you to answer the question?

TOM: Yeah. I think I’ve done that to a few of my aspects in the dream state before.

KRIS: Now, of course having an inquisitive mind is most important because it is needed to break away from the accepted facts of reality – to understand that reality is much bigger than the facts seem to indicate. So you break down walls, barriers, and resistances. And the best approach is in asking a question; you pause long enough to hear the answers. And the answers may come in a variety of ways. And they may not come when you demand them. And they may not come in a form that you demand either. But they will come to you and they will show you that they may meet you half way, because if you want the answers you may have to do a little bit of fieldwork. You may have to look at the pieces of pottery and the ancient writing and then figure it out.

TOM: Deduce.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you are a very intellectual individual and on the one hand that may be an impediment – or it could seem that way. But it can actually be reversed as apposed to being an impediment. It can actually be a source of acquiring knowledge and all it needs is a little bit of quiet – quiet the mind long enough to detect the answers.

TOM: Ok. You had mentioned before about having a relationship with the way we see ourselves – our ego – which is part of ourselves. And that we need to be diplomatic to our ego and to identify issues and to work with the ego making suggestions to ourselves that perhaps its not beneficial to overreact in this way or that it would be better to see things another way – sort of like as though it was a child.

KRIS: Indeed. And whether with a child or with your subconscious, the approach need almost always be in the positive and affirmative. For example, it might prove difficult to obtain positive results if you tell your subconscious mind “Dear subconscious mind. I do not want to experience these kinds of things, I do not want this, and I do not want that”. And not unlike some people who make long lists of all the things they do not want in a potential mate. What do you think these people keep getting?

TOM: Exactly what they don’t want.

KRIS: What they do not want. So they will meet the kind of people that they dislike and that is only because that is all they are concentrating upon. Thus, if such an individual for instance were to create a different kind of a list that states all of the wonderful nurturing and life affirming qualities they want in a potential mate, then concentrating on that will have a two fold effect; It is the kind of individual that they will draw to themselves, and because it is what they concentrate upon, they in some way will begin to reflect those same qualities. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes it does.

KRIS: In that manner then, approaching the subconscious from the perspective of a positive approach will bring about far greater results. And being diplomatic doesn’t mean that you become a doormat either. It can mean that you are firm and strong while still requesting positive things.

We could give you another example. We could entice you for example to enter into a meditative state – though we’re not asking you to do that, this is purely theoretical. But we could ask you to do that and we could say things like “Forget about the battles you had at the office today” “Forget about the screaming fight you’ve had with your wife” “Forget about the fact that your son stole a car and is now in prison – and relax”.

TOM: I get it! (Laughing)

What do you think you will do? You will first of all want to shove a banana in our face so that we would be quiet because you will become extremely irate because now will be concentrating on a dozen things that you don’t want in your mind.

However, if we suggest to you to begin concentrating on a gentle feeling of relaxation that may begin anywhere in your body – perhaps on your hand on your leg on your scalp. And as you allow this gentle feeling of relaxation to begin spreading in your body like a gentle wave and at the same time concentrate on the soothing rhythm of our voice, and as you continue to concentrate upon the gentle wave of relaxation and the soothing rhythm of our voice, you may begin to feel better about yourself. What do you think you will experience?

TOM: It would work much better.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, the subconscious mind also responds in such a fashion. So when you suggest things to the subconscious mind always put it in the affirmative, in the now, and being positive. Now if on the other hand you go to the other extreme and yell at your subconscious mind: “That right now you want to supercharge and explode your relaxation!”. It will also not work.
Do you follow?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: So a nice gentle even approach that shows that you are caring and nurturing will have the most beneficial effects.

TOM: That makes sense. I look at my own dialogs and I think I’ve come to the right conclusions… but I wasn’t using the right technique to create the desired outcome that I wanted.

KRIS: Thus what does all this have to do with the ego? The ego can be your companion; can be your traveling friend on your journeys of inner explorations. And that – having a friend to travel with you on these journeys – is very difficult to beat.

TOM: Yes, that sounds really nice…

KRIS: Now in line with the original opening to this subject matter concerning trust, this goes in line with other discussions that may seem very different and even opposing and at the opposite end of the spectrum. Just as a true warrior is one that is so skilled in the art that he never has to fight, so… Give us one moment please.

(A one-minute pause)

Indeed now. In considering trust there is only one person that you may trust, and that is your Self. And we are aware that for many people this is a very difficult issue for on the one hand they may go to great lengths to express their self-trust and their actions may betray their words easily. Because trust is much deeper that words – trust is a state and as such trust comes from having both befriended and healed the Self – that there are no hidden enemies in the Self.

TOM: That makes sense.

KRIS: Now that is not to say that you are not allowed to trust your Self unless every single little aspect has been uprooted, but it gives you a place to begin, considering a different vantage point in terms of trusting Self. And that may even include reprogramming those old mechanisms of habits of beliefs that may come from childhood even.

TOM: So we run into our issues directly. When we try to trust, we are shown what our issues are and we begin the journey of transforming these issues and redirecting our energies in line with that trust. Is that what you’re saying?

KRIS: Indeed. For example, say as a child you would have been made promises to, that either your peers or adults perhaps even loved ones failed to carry through. This may have been repeated several times. You may then begin to conclude in your young mind that adults or peers meaning others are not to be trusted. That would also include your self. You are not to be trusted to trust others because there is always the personal perspective, though it is often completely ignored as if you have no participation in the event – only others are not to be trusted. But once you look in the mirror, then that also must include yourself. So what it boils down to is the belief that you are not to be trusted. Thus what comes from your mind what comes from you is not to be trusted. And it can even go so far as to include all kinds of decisions are not be trusted because you are not to be trusted.

TOM: It goes right into inner communications too then.

KRIS: Correct. Now as you may be aware, of course these are beliefs, which are related to feelings. And the beliefs are involved in the creation of the situation as the feelings are involved in the creation of the situation – they tell you what you are creating. And what programs these states can be changed just as you can change the programming within a computer environment. Dose that make some sense to you?

TOM: Yes. When you speak of the unfolding of the personality structure – that consists of both choosing beliefs and an emotional transformation of energy?

KRIS: They are very much tied together. The beliefs generate feelings and feelings can generate beliefs and either one of these can also generate emotions. So they work together. They simply let you know what you are creating because they are all factors in the creation process.

Have you not noticed that if you wake up in the morning and you feel – do pardon the expression but you feel shitty. You may consider the entire day to have been one of those bad shitty days even though nothing may have happened to warrant that – because you felt that way, this was your feeling then to you the experience of the day was shitty.

And it is possible to begin to choose different sets of feelings and emotions because then that would shift the paradigm of your moment. The same goes with trust. The same goes with self-esteem and self-worth.

It is often said that there are people with low or no self-esteem with low or no self-worth. That is untrue. It is an untrue statement because those statements imply an absolute and everyone has a sense of self-worth. The difficulty is that these individuals may have become uncertain as if the ground of their self worth, of their self-esteem has suddenly become shaky. They still have it but may not be able to fully tap into it because they have shifted with their beliefs in a direction that is not in line with their sense of self-worth.

TOM: So there would be almost a three-pronged approach where you could look at your beliefs and be choosing in that area and you can choose how you feel and how you want to feel in the moment rather than – well you can say I feel this way but I’d rather be feeling another way, and then change your feelings, and then theirs also the transformation of emotional energy through certain interactions.

KRIS: That is correct. And one of those methods is by changing your physiology. If you were for instance to put yourself into a mind frame where you are feeling down where you are feeling sad where you are feeling perhaps depressed and anxious. What begins to happen in your body?

TOM: The posture would go first – I would think.

KRIS: Indeed. Especially because you feel down – that is a very physical expression. The shoulders would drop perhaps even the head would drop downward. Everything feels heavy, uncomfortable, and so on. Correct?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now take a moment and shake your arms and shoulders – shake off that state. Take a deep breath. Good. Now, think of one of the most beautiful days in recent memory. Perhaps it was a day that felt like no other. Perhaps the sky had a hue in it that was simply mesmerizing. Perhaps it was the color of the brightness of the sunlight reflecting off tropical trees and flowers. Perhaps the sunlight creating beautiful gems on the surf. The air felt crisp and alive. The birds in the trees seem to have a better song than you remembered. You smell the fragrance of flowers – perhaps more so than you noticed before. What begins to happen in your body?

TOM: Feelings change – the way you feel changes.

KRIS: Indeed. And how does your body contort itself?

TOM: Your posture changes automatically…

KRIS: Yes. The shoulders straighten out. The back straightens out. The head even looks up. The breathing is deeper more relaxed – firm stronger, as if a more vital energy is flowing through your veins at this point. Even your thoughts begin to clear. Now shake all of this away.

TOM: I don’t want to. (Laughing) Ok.

KRIS: Indeed. Now take a deep breath. Now go back to having one of those shitty days. The sky seems dark. You have a snarl on your lips. It seems that people – in fact everything even yourself brings you down. And you will feel immediately the effects in your body. Correct?

TOM: Yes. It feels heavier.

KRIS: Now, very quickly. Just like that. Go back to the previous state; the sunshine the birds the fragrance the light the tropical trees the beach. How does that change your body?

TOM: Yes, it’s a very good practice – it’s instant.

KRIS: Indeed. Now shake that off. Now in a moment go back into the sad feeling and as soon as you notice that your body begins to sag quickly take control of your physiology and go back to the glad state. Go ahead and do that.

TOM: I did. That’s an excellent practice.

KRIS: Indeed. You only need to do that two to three or four times in a row, so that your body begins to understand that when you get into that state of mind that you don’t want to be in – it will automatically assist you.

TOM: We could do that as a daily practice for 90 days and just make it a habit?

KRIS: In fact you do not even need to do it for that long. In one day you can do it very quickly – it only takes three four, perhaps at most five times. And then you will find that even if you want to go into the sad state you will not go there. Even if you try – try to go into that state, you will not want to go there. You will not go there. Period.

TOM: That’s excellent.

KRIS: And this does not negate that you can still examine or even triple ‘A’ states that you find unfavorable to you but at least you will do it from a perspective of strength and harmony.

TOM: So that way you can offer the more positive suggestions instead of focusing on what – identifying what it is that’s bothering you, identify where you want to be going instead, giving yourself those suggestions.

KRIS: Indeed. And this would work very nicely.

TOM: Ok. We have a few more minutes… There was one more thing that I wanted to briefly touch upon and I wanted to ask you about a dream experience.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: The third aspect then was the transformation of emotional energies through interaction, and I think that is something that is coming out of the IMARA sessions and some of the work that Emmy and Ellen are doing with their WW2 focuses.

Is that, in order to transform this energy – issues need to be faced and communicated between people. You can’t just intellectually, for instance, transform energy. There is an emotional process in this transformation. Could you comment on that?

KRIS: Indeed. Indeed there is always – and if it stays at the intellectual levels then it will not move on, if you wish. It is by opening the heart, perhaps even allowing for a state of vulnerability of honesty of integrity instead of a state of blame and finger pointing. For instance, it may be more in line with modern thinking to say: “You make me feel that way” “You did this to me” “You made me do this” “You made me do that” “All of these things are your fault”. But is any of that true?

TOM: No.

KRIS: Is it absolutely true?

TOM: It’s not absolutely true.

KRIS: Correct. Now what if you were to turn this around and instead approach the subject matter as follows only for example, instead of saying “You made me feel this way” you could say “I felt this way as a result of certain actions or words that were said”. Then immediately, the other individual is no longer on the defensive. You create an emotional bridge to the other. You create a sense of trust because you’re not out to attack the other. And furthermore, it is a sign of being responsible for your actions, instead of laying blame towards the other because laying blame towards the other also implies a sense of judgmental-ism. And when you take responsibility for your own potentials and consciousness, you become more aware. It shows maturity. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes, and when addressing these issues there will be one person expressing how they felt as a result of the action with the other person they would be expressing it to, both of these people then transform their own energies through this process?

KRIS: It is possible because that kind of an approach is centered on love, not blame shame guilt and judgmental-ism, which are often the old standbys, so it stands to reason a deeper relationship occurs. And even though in this example we spoke of another as a person, the other can also be you if you internalize it – direct it towards yourself. The same process can still apply.

TOM: So we can still transform our own energies through conversations with our self – at the conscious level even?

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Ok. That’s interesting. Anything more you want to say on that before I hop to the next topic?

KRIS: Not at the moment…

TOM: Ok. I’d like to get your perspective on a lucid dream experience that I call the “Ocean of Self”. You recently used an analogy that our remembered dreams are like the reflection of the sun off a wave in the ocean. I was in a very playful lucid dream and I had a lot of energy and I remembered what you had said and I demanded to be submersed in the ocean of Self. I shouted that and started shaking and felt like I started to project – so much that it woke me up.

Two days later I had this lucid dream that I would describe as an amazing state of awareness where I could see all these dreams being created (from) requests for different information. I could be inside of them at the same time and see how questions were being answered… very quickly through dream images. I also could see other streams of energy – that I communicate with at times – were there to offer their perspective…

Was what I experienced dipping my toe into the ocean of self?

KRIS: We would agree and add to that, that because you may still hold to the notion that Self – especially the concept of the larger Self or Essence – exist somewhere outside of you, you only experienced a drop of that ocean. And it is not here to lay any blame that you might have done something wrong but it is simply to point out that the ocean of Self must include YOU.

Therefore you are the gateway to the Self. You are the secret passage to the Self. Consider an old pirate’s treasure map where ‘X’ marks the spot where the treasure is. You are the ‘X’. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: It is what we are but we don’t… it’s something that we’ve kind of buried from ourselves… separated from ourselves… just ignored more or less… or weren’t ready to focus in that direction?

KRIS: Yes, in so many words – yes. Thus the next time you gently try this – see what happens.

TOM: Yes. Ok.

KRIS: And with that we may return Joseph to you?

TOM: Ok.

KRIS: Indeed. And may we wish you many sweet lucid dreams.

TOM: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: Indeed then.

(Session ends)

Feelings (Q & A)

April 20, 2008

Kris Chronicles

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)

Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, April 20, 2008

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Andrea (Jarasen), Lida (Miriam), John (Sohars), Barbara and Iwana

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And of course we thank you for your consideration. Perhaps this evening can be an open discussion.

MARK: Any questions? (Pause, then general laughter among the group) I guess we were all unprepared for this!

ANDREA: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANDREA: I’ve always wondered in terms of people dealing with cancer and other disease states, often they say that as soon as they’re given a diagnosis they go down much faster because they associate the word “cancer” with death.

KRIS: Indeed, many do consider it to be an irrefutable death sentence, that somehow or other there is the unspoken, unacknowledged verdict that somehow or other they are experiencing a guilty sentence, and that in a short amount of time, it will catch up to them. Do you follow?

ANDREA: Yes.

KRIS: And at the same time, there is another kind of conflict, one that is almost never acknowledged and even explored — because on the one hand, medical science considers it not their domain — and this is that the individual at one level is receiving confirmation that the methods, the practices if you wish, the concentration they have been affording themselves for all these years is now become part of their living experience. And all such processes do take time to be processed.

You have in effect quite a long journey in preparing for these kinds of situations and there will always be a series of powerful emotions behind the situation. Do you follow? Now, as human beings, you are emotional creatures. Even the so-called extreme scientific mind goes by what he or she is feeling. Even those who claim to rely solely on logic, on reason, utilize their feelings, emotions, far more than they realize.

And when there are associations, one feeling after another, one state of emotion after another, that only compounds a situation and you get an accumulation of a state where the individual begins to deny himself or herself as if somehow or other certain aspects of the self must be cut off from the rest of the self, must be isolated. Some aspects of the personality may be feared perhaps as the source of too strong a set of feelings, thus it must be inoculated, removed from the other. Do you follow?

ANDREA: Mmhm.

KRIS: That sets up conditions of almost warfare within the body as well as in the psychology of the individual because for as much as the individual may try and wish and desire that certain aspects of him or herself should be denied existence, you cannot simply take an aspect of your own personality and shove it in a box. It is always there. The attempt is to try and literally block it out, to deny it. But since it cannot be denied then there is always this battle going on. The individual sets up a certain kind of defense and almost all human conditions of this nature, or what you would call an illness, will recognize that it is often associated with a certain weakness of the autoimmune system. Do you follow?

ANDREA: Yes.

KRIS: So it does speak volumes. The language itself tells you or gives you hints and indications of what is at work here. The immune defense system somehow or other seems to fail the individual because the individual himself has set up defenses against his own self. Does that make some sense?

ANDREA: Yes, because autoimmune is essentially when the body is attacking itself.

KRIS: Correct. In this case, it is the individual. Now we are aware that some may consider this utter folly, that what you are simply doing is accusing the poor victim of victimizing themselves. On the contrary, we perceive it more as the individual setting up an absolutely perfect communication device to which he or she then refuses to listen to. In such cases indeed a certain amount of introspection and work, with a qualified professional can be of tremendous assistance in assisting the individual to then release those particular situations that have been held onto and in assisting the individual in recognizing and accepting that part of the self that had been refused for so long.

It is a healing process often done in those who have remissions, because on the one hand, if the individual had chosen to not pursue that line of development and healing, then they would have opted out or checked out of physical reality. So certain cases of these situations can be utilized for that purpose. In other situations it can be to show themselves for the individual to demonstrate to himself or herself, that they do have tremendous abilities to reverse their condition and the key to that is emotional release, whether you consider it through a process of forgiveness, acceptance or any other that is available.

ANDREA: Somewhere in Germany they have something called new medicine and they use that for cancer patients where they associate the lesions with an emotional trauma.

KRIS: Indeed, and it is not something that is forced upon the patient, or a belief that they must accept if they desire to become well. It is pointing out instead the process the individual undertook to set up the situation in the first place. And what that can also mean in other words: due to the emotional nature of your lovely natures, you enter into various hypnotic states or trance states through the various venues of your emotional qualities.

Thus, when an individual in such an example is facing the labeled diagnosis of cancer, you have a situation where the individual has literally, entranced themselves into a particular vision of how they may be and this can become part of the accepted self. The point being then, that these other modalities are to literally shake the individual out of his or her trance into one that may be more beneficial for them. Does that make sense to you? Any other inquiries?

MARK: You’re usually good for one, John!

JOHN: Oh, yeah for sure, I’ve got inquiries.

KRIS: We have heard it said that once John asks a question, you never go back!

JOHN: For a number of months now I’ve been kind of pondering this idea of beliefs. My understanding is that beliefs are part of the reality creation mechanism here and that they’re essential, but from my understanding, at the Essence level we don’t play with beliefs in exactly the same way. They’re not essential, in other words, to create what you want to create at that level. So I’m wondering about how beliefs work… They’re kind of…. uh… there’s my question…

KRIS: (Humorously) And you are certain that it is a question?

JOHN: Well, it may be just a sort a confused ramble!

KRIS: That is also acceptable.

JOHN: Okay, good!

KRIS: And if this were a pub, it would be the norm! Now, did you pay attention to what we described a few moments before?

JOHN: About the cancer? Yes, I was paying careful attention.

KRIS: You are certain?

JOHN: Uh, not any more!

(Giggling from the group)

KRIS: Indeed. In other words, you were gently rummaging for a rambling in your mind?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed! We mentioned that due to your lovely emotional nature, emotions or feelings are essential to your being and in that respect beliefs are also the results of accumulations of various types of feelings as you experience them at your end of the bargain.

JOHN: Okay….

KRIS: Beliefs in and of themselves are nothing more than ideas. Concepts.

JOHN: Right…

KRIS: And certain types of ideas can become lumped together, if you will, rolled up into one, in such a way that they are then given more energy than simple random ideas. And these generate specific zones of feelings both at your normal understanding of a feeling as well as in a greater understanding of a feeling as being an expression of your energies. Thus feelings in and of themselves are literally a primordial ingredient in your reality construction. In fact, your realities would not exist without the nature of your feelings.

JOHN: Okay, so I’m getting that really feelings are the essential things, not beliefs so much, and we use feelings to kind of clump together the beliefs into the shape that we want.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Okay, now the question for me is… You said something quite stimulating to me at one point –

KRIS: (Interjecting) In fact can you keep that in your mind?

JOHN: All right.

KRIS: Now, what we have just said may even contradict other teachings concerning the nature of beliefs and reality creation. You caught that?

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed. And it may appear as contradictory, but at the same time it is not, because if you were to dissect the association between your feelings and your beliefs, you would indeed see that there truly are relations that you had not known before. The notion that your feelings are associated with your own beliefs can indeed be a key to unlocking those particular stuck states that you or others often find yourselves in, thinking of course that it must be related to your beliefs and that your beliefs are such a fortress of strength and energy that you sometimes feel powerless to venture into the changing of your beliefs.

JOHN: Whereas feelings are fluid, changing all the time.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus by altering with due respect — not with denial, but with due respect meaning acceptance — you can indeed influence a powerful transformation at that inner level of change thereby creating an alignment with a new feeling, thus new beliefs, thus a new experience or perspective of reality.

JOHN: Okay, well that’s very helpful.

KRIS: Indeed. Now pray continue.

JOHN: Um…. from what you’re saying I get the idea that a belief in lack of worthiness is really a FEELING of being unworthy that has accreted about itself a bunch of ideas that are related to that and become the beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And if I can seize upon — not seize upon, that’s not very respectful — if I can gently nurture a feeling of worthiness and let that suffuse and flow over my being then the beliefs associated with that will start to accrue in that direction.

KRIS: Correct. Now it is often assumed that the feelings give you an indication of the beliefs, therefore leading you to recognize what kind of beliefs to change, but that is only one perception. If you also consider that the feelings that you have are intimately tied and generate the beliefs in line with your state of experience, then you will have a much more ready-made situation that you can change. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, I’m beginning to catch a profile here. So, rather than saying that “I want to change my beliefs about my worthiness,” it’s more useful for me to say, “I want to really change the concentration of the feelings. I want to move the feeling of self-worth into a new area.”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And the beliefs will follow.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well, that’s very helpful. It’s less intellectual and more heartfelt.

KRIS: And that is why, in many situations, approaches to changing beliefs fail, sometimes miserably, as if the individual is up against a veritable mountain of bricks that he cannot climb. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes it does and it gives me a wonderful new perspective on what you call the architecture of beliefs and however fascinating and delightful that is, and it is all of that, but what’s even more exciting and interesting is — if we can call it that — the architecture of feeling.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Which is what I’d like to ask a question about. Most people think that we feel BECAUSE of the events, conditions or circumstances of our life, but you’ve taught us that our feelings GENERATE those events, circumstances and conditions.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: So if the events aren’t causal to the feelings but the other way around, what brings about those feelings?

KRIS: That is a very good question.

MARK: Why do we feel unworthy if it’s not the events, we only create events after the fact.

KRIS: Along the course of your young life, as you grow from youth to adolescence to adulthood, you encounter many different situations. You may have noticed that a certain situation brought about a certain kind of experience and as you go through life, the similarities between this and other events or situations or conditions seem quite evident to you until you recognize that a certain particular FEELING comes along and it may seem irrefutable to you.

It is now evidence. And if you notice human beings very carefully, a feeling is often all the evidence necessary. In fact the feelings are often judge, jury and executioner. They become the law. Now, when such feelings start to coagulate in the mind of the individual, especially at the conscious level, the feelings are experienced throughout the body. You then get a valid confirmation that the present state of your experience in such cases as lack of self-worth, or unworthiness, lack of self-respect, and every other one associated must be true.

That you are unworthy, because it is the way you feel and you may have that reflected by the comments or actions of other individuals as further proof, self-evident proof that you are an unworthy individual. And the individual may even continue to add to that experience, looking for other self-explanatory evidence, of his or her lack of self-worth or self-respect. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: It does. I’m thinking back to those impressionable years as a young child, even from birth on and when the physical starts to be expressed, where parents and siblings and teachers say negative things, that child is creating his or her own reality based upon the feelings of what he hears.

KRIS: Indeed. The child has, like everyone else, has the ability to choose what comments he or she will fixate upon and if it is actions and words from people he does not know, it may be completely irrelevant, but if they come from those he knows and respects that are considered elders, it may have a different influence. Thus the child may begin to think that those feelings that he is starting to develop concerning this line of thought must be real because it is fed back to me through those I love and they are refusing me. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Now, we do wish it understood clearly that when it is said that beliefs create the reality and that feelings create the reality as well as the beliefs, there is no contradiction because everything works on concepts, thus in this kind of explanation, the individual is working strictly with concepts and in the individual’s mind there is the formulation of a set of feelings which will generate a set of ideas which altogether are called beliefs, that he may be a less than worthy individual.

These feelings can be very powerful indeed. Now, if you wish to go in there with a hacksaw and a machete and try to cut up these beliefs you are only approaching the subject matter strictly from the intellectual point of view and that will only carry you so far on the journey, leaving you more or less stranded halfway there without the means to understand how to continue your journey. The associated feelings, feeling states, need to be brought to awareness in one way or another, at least to bring a recognition to continue the last leg of your journey.

It is not the beliefs that will be destroyed or evaporated or put out of existence as much as the individual will begin to generate a whole new set of feelings about himself or herself in such a capacity that then you have an amalgamation of various states that include ideas and feelings and so on that you then call new beliefs, thus a new reality. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: We do realize it is controversial, but then again, when has controversy been a bad thing? Because that also strikes at dearly cherished feelings. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Do you have a question, you that are way out there? You did not think we would not see you, now did you?

BARBARA: I thought I could blend with the couch. [Barbara was wearing a red blouse and was sitting on a red couch.]

KRIS: You are not that much of a wallflower.

BARBARA: Well, I have a question regarding the radio show last Thursday because you were talking about looking at the signs on the road that you are attracting and two major signs I realize that I am attracting. One was slow down, speed limit and double fines… (Group chuckling)… On Saturday morning I was driving to work and I actually looked on the side of the road and I see “Expect major delays.” And after that point when I saw that sign it really sort of sunk in and I was like, “Oh damn it,” and a little farther there was an even bigger sign “Expect major delays” so it totally ruined my day, so I’m trying to figure out why do I want to feel so negative, do you know what I mean? I understand “slow down,” but now when I’m really eager to go forward and learn this and that and…

KRIS: Is it possible that what you are presently experiencing is part of your own journey? That is, part of your experience. In other words you may be unjustly comparing your experience to what you think other people experience. In your mind it is likely that you see other people as going through this like a hot knife through butter. And in all humility, that is not the case. Very, very few people that are authentic and sincere and willing to do the work go through these life-transforming situations like water flowing off a camel’s back.

Thus, when you see indications that it may be time to slow down, that you may be creating delays for yourself, take heart in knowing that you are creating perfectly what you need to tell yourself and take heed. Otherwise it would not have been brought to your attention. You would have ignored, not even considered the signs. You would have spotted something else. Now comes the fun part: In Triple ‘A’-ing this — acknowledging it, addressing it and accepting yourself, even that part of yourself that seems to peeve you to no end, and you know what we mean, and even accepting that part — begin to generate feelings that will bring about new signs, new wording.

BARBARA: Yes. My thinking was, when I saw the first sign and it was sort of small and I’d become you know, let down. The next sign was even bigger. My negative emotions created an even bigger sign.

KRIS: If you can use your feelings or emotional states to generate these kinds of signals, imagine what you could create with an entirely different set of positive and constructive states.

BARBARA: What puzzles me however, is just before those signs I was actually happy, in a good sort of mood and state, when I woke up in the morning.

KRIS: Indeed. Why do you think you created that? Is it possible that you wanted to bring to your attention that, like all other human beings, you are complex and there are days when you have a “good hair” and there are days when you have a “bad hair”?

(Group chuckling)

BARBARA: (Words indistinct)

KRIS: Indeed it is. The idea being not necessarily to go to war with yourself, because you lose, but learn to be a diplomat: negotiate. Negotiate not the terms of surrender but the terms of cooperation and that will bring you much more pleasant experiences as a result. Does that make sense to you?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Other inquiries?

LIDA: I have a question that’s actually a follow-up to Andrea’s question and the discussion that followed. Some weeks ago on Kris Radio you spoke about ley lines as a very strong flow of energy, of consciousness around the globe and have been around for a very long time and so on. Is it possible that today’s healers are aware of the situation and use it for healing? And I have a specific question about a healer called Father Fernando.

KRIS: Now we may not be at liberty to speak about specific individuals, however there are individuals who are aware of the ancient ley lines and who can tap into them and again, that circuit or network or web of energy is something that you would recognize by the feeling of it, which means that the feelings that you notice are part of the energy network.

LIDA: Is it that special people are more sensitive to these forms of energy or can we all feel it?

KRIS: It can be that everyone can participate but there are some individuals who have a totally different mind. Do you follow?

LIDA: It’s the mind, actually? It’s not the blueprint that we have…

KRIS: In your realities there are infrastructures that make it so that you create along specific lines, not necessarily ley lines. Consider for instance the almost microscopic…. give us one moment…. If you wish to create a specific design, you can for instance take a string, put it in a container that holds a temperature that is well subzero and you can mist the strings every once in awhile, being careful not to over saturate the strings between mistings. Do you follow?

LIDA: Um… not quite.

KRIS: Indeed. If you were to take several ropes and put them in a freezer, you could mist the ropes every so often making certain that the previous misting has turned to ice.

LIDA: You form layers.

KRIS: Indeed. At the end of a predetermined number of mistings, you would have a very specific design of the layers of ice crystals surrounding the strings. You could make it into anything you wish and it will then hold much more easily than if you simply poured buckets of water on it. So you could say that this layered approach is similar to specific energy lines that are generated by the masses in order to establish a pattern upon which consciousness then builds layers of reality. Does that make some sense to you?

LIDA: Yes, remotely. (Chuckling)

KRIS: (To John) Do YOU follow?

JOHN: Yeah, I got it, I got it. (To Lida) I think he’s suggesting that the ley lines are like the strings and the energy that we put into them is like misting them, so we’re creating as a group, as a consensus reality, we’re creating these patterns of energy.

KRIS: Indeed.

LIDA: I understand.

KRIS: Now, other civilizations have made more use of them, thus they would have been more prominent. Your present civilization is less inclined to focus upon that type of system, thus they are less in use, but they are always there, they are always present in the very same manner that your DNA structure is comparable to the strings and you have layer upon layer of tissues and certain tissues have specific purposes. Some tissue becomes epidermis, some tissue become muscle, some become bone, but ideally, the basic structure of tissue is the same.

Due to their assigned function, they take on a different appearance in the same way that consciousness in terms of energy can appear as a variety of quarks, in terms of quantum physics, but for all intents and purposes there is only one kind of quark. So there are great variations again in the same way that you can have an orchestra. In one corner you have the percussion instruments, in another the strings, and so on and so forth, but depending on the piece of music, the results will be different from one symphony to another. They are all using the same instrument, the same orchestra used again and again but a different piece of music is created every time. Do you follow?

LIDA: Yes.

KRIS: So it is a marvelous creation that stays the course of time and space because it is integrated into the fabric of the time space continuum and it is used to build and build upon and the next civilization may have a completely different approach and use it for their own purposes. Does that make sense?

LIDA: Yes, very much so. But you still can use it for –?

KRIS: Indeed!

LIDA: Some individuals can use it.

KRIS: Indeed, and everyone can be trained to access that type of energy.

LIDA: How do you get trained?

KRIS: That is a longer discussion! Suffice it to say that the potential is there for everyone just as the potential is there for everyone to achieve whatever they want to achieve, whether it is that which is excellence or that which is considered mediocre, it is still an achievement. Do you follow and does that answer your inquiry?

LIDA: Yes it does.

KRIS: Indeed, now what is the time?

MARK: 8:36.

KRIS: Do you prefer to wait for a break, or do you want a break?

MARK: We could keep going.

KRIS: Indeed then. We need questions.

(Group laughter)

MARK: I saw that coming!

KRIS: You could say we are taking the lazy ghost’s way out! (Group laughter) But then as you have also seen, there is still much food for thought being offered.

ANDREA: I have a question that’s kind of similar. Just going through pregnancy I noticed that they have a lot of genetic tests that you can do and I just noticed that to me it seems that, just the way our system works, even things that are natural like pregnancy have become overly scientific, so it takes away again… the focus is on what can go wrong.

KRIS: Indeed. The focus is shifted towards all of the possibilities that can go wrong and it is also meant to show you that if something goes wrong, then the medical sciences have a huge arsenal of weapons, of machines, of technology, to fix that which went wrong. Does that make sense?

ANDREA: Yes.

KRIS: It is a wonder how women in the past ever gave birth, or conceived for that matter! Thus you see there is the possibility that you are all immaculate conceptions!

(Laughter)

ANDREA: When something does happen and you do get some kind of congenital defect, surely there’s an agreement between the parents and the infant that this will be their experience.

KRIS: Indeed, it could not be otherwise, though some would argue that they would remember making such an agreement and most people would not, consciously, but the conscious aspect of their minds is not the sum total of their awareness. If that were the case, most of you would likely end up walking into walls in a short amount of time.

Such agreements are not unheard of and though there are times when the lives of the individuals, all concerned, seems to be challenging, at times even to the extreme, the individuals have engaged themselves at a great amount of passion however that may turn out and everything that they experience then becomes a stepping stone towards a different kind of reality experience and wisdom. Nothing is done without the individual expanding in awareness in one way or another. That implies then that the individual learns something, but the situation is created to generate the understandings. Does that make sense?

ANDREA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. And how is our great font of inquiry doing?

JOHN: I guess that would be me! Um…. yes, I’m finding your discussion very interesting tonight. I’m just going to read back to you something you just said.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: “The conscious part of our mind is not the sum total of our awareness.”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well, I like that a lot! So that implies that there is, let’s call it subconscious awareness.

KRIS: It is to be understood that you are one mind, but that you compartmentalize it. For instance, if you were to consciously take over the running of your body, you would likely give it up in a short amount of time BEGGING for the autonomous systems to take over again.

JOHN: Yes, so there’s a body consciousness.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: But it’s not part of what we think of as our conscious mind.

KRIS: It is part of your consciousness, but your conscious mind is but a slice of the pie, as it were. The slice is never considered the entirety of the pie.

JOHN: Even the pie is not the entirety of the pie.

KRIS: That is correct. Thus as you know, you are more than the sum of all of your parts.

JOHN: Right. Okay, if nobody else has a question, I’ve got another one!

MARK: Go for it.

KRIS: Now is this concerning apple or cherry pie?

JOHN: This is concerning banana cream! Here’s the question: I feel like I’m kind of graduating in a way, in my awareness from fifty years of living my life as best I could according to allowing and opposing official reality.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And I’m now at a stage where I’m contemplating at least setting out in my new direction and never mind official reality. That’s not quite true… Setting out in my own direction and making whatever use is appropriate of official reality.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: When I was just kind of shuffling things around there for fifty years, I still got interesting experiences, keeping in mind what you just said, I wouldn’t create getting the flu or getting a job or getting fired or whatever, these were all opportunities to expand my awareness.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: However, in a sense kind of by default as opposed to what I’m embarking upon now which is setting my new direction. I’m still going to get the flu and I’m going to get fired and hired and all those interesting things are going to happen to me, but they’re going to be much more meaningful now to me because I can compare them to the meaning I have invested in my new course! That’s not really a question is it? (John and the group laughs) Okay! Well, that’s all I’ve got.

KRIS: Indeed then, it is perhaps best to give yourselves a little break so you can formulate new questions.

[Break at 8:44 PM. Discussion is mostly a recap of Kris' presentation.]

JOHN: Remember when he asked us to imagine being on a beach in Hawaii for a few moments? And then he came and asked what do you think happened to that other “you”? You have injected enough consciousness into that creativity that that aspect of you is carrying on with its own life! Well, then I asked a question: “Okay, well that means that I could be a momentary fantasy of someone,” and of course that’s true. We’re all as real as everybody else.

[8:56 PM Kris returns]

KRIS: Now such imaginings do have their realities in their own ways but we would offer a caution that it might not work to your advantage to imagine that your Visa is being paid. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, right, because while the imaginary Visa may be paid, the one here still wants some money.

KRIS: That is correct. As it is said, when in Rome, do as the Romans. Now have you thought of any other questions? If not, what about this information concerning feelings?

JOHN: I think we have a question here with Barbara.

BARBARA: I was just thinking because you were saying that our civilization right now since our last Ice Age explores a more masculine expression, but I’m Polish and many Slavic people — at least what I experienced when I was living in Poland — it is really very feminine, but Poland in itself is almost like a contrast to Germany. I was wondering if this is some of the leftovers from the previous Ice Age?

KRIS: Every society still has to have a certain amount of balance and even though certain factors in Polish culture still respect the feminine, you will also notice it is still very much a male society. In terms of this information concerning feelings, how do you feel about it?

JOHN: I feel good. I feel like I’ve got a new avenue to approach some of the issues in my life. I’ve beat the whole belief thing to death and it feels like a new lease on it. Yeah, I don’t quite understand it totally yet.

KRIS: It will take some time to sort out. Do understand that what you feel at this end of the spectrum is also your interpretation of a much longer process in the act of creating your own reality. Does that make sense?

JOHN: I think so. You’re saying that there are sort of bigger, stronger, deeper feelings and I’m at a conscious level kind of interpreting those as how I feel.

KRIS: Correct. In other words, the feelings themselves are a kind of resonance field that interacts with the other accumulations of ideas and concepts that you call beliefs and the signal that is sent towards the conscious aspect of the personality, that aspect that interacts with what you call the world, is still a very powerful signal but it is not the end-all and be-all of the signal but merely its interpretation.

JOHN: Right, the surface layer.

KRIS: That is correct. You could say then, that there is a powerful oscillator at work and as the oscillations reach out in all directions there is the appearance of a weakening signal, but that is merely an interpretation. The signal is as strong as the moment it left the oscillator. The oscillator is the self and the engine of reality creation is an extremely complex system.

We understand that many would like it to be simple: You have an idea in your head, you have a feeling, you have an image and there the trick is done. You can sit back and watch your bank account grow! And some people have been wishing in this way for decades and still hoping faithfully that one day they will check the bank account and it will be many digits over. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh yeah. Been there.

KRIS: Now we have always emphasized acting. Taking action. Of course, an appropriate action. If you want to bake a cake, you do not suddenly put on your swimsuit and go in the pool. And if you want to go swimming, you do not do that with all of the baker’s instruments. So you have different areas of your life that you manage in different ways, correct?

JOHN: Mmhm.

KRIS: In a similar manner then, understanding this principle of resonance with the field of your emotions — those feelings that you get — are not only a communication, but part of the instrument of reality creation in and of itself.

JOHN: I see that. It’s sort of telling you what you are creating.

KRIS: In many ways, yes, and it will be created according to your feelings.

JOHN: Right, now that’s a very interesting way of looking at it. So the feeling you get is in a sense a by-product — not a by-product, but a concomitant aspect…

KRIS: You could call it a prototype. And if you do not like the energy prototype, by all means feel free to make any change to the design.

JOHN: And just to be clear, that would mean adjusting the feeling first.

KRIS: Yes.

JOHN: And then the ideas and concepts would be attracted to that new feeling resonance. Yeah, see that’s an exciting idea because you taught us how to change our feelings.

KRIS: Indeed. So you see, we give ourselves permission to revisit our own material and build upon it. So you do have an incredible set of resources with which to make any kind of modification or alteration to your intended outcome.

JOHN: Well let me just ask a question on that, Kris, because on the one hand you are always saying to us to be practical, use the tools that are available, don’t put your swimsuit on when you want to bake a cake, that kind of attitude. On the other hand, every once in awhile you say: “You have the potential as a human being to create absolutely any experience you want!”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I just find those two sides of… I’m trying to reconcile those two ideas.

KRIS: Indeed and simply enough, you are also well aware that you may generate all sorts of ideas and feelings in order to create a mountain of gold in your backyard. You also know that the probabilities of a mountain of gold appearing in your backyard are relatively low to nil because you will get that feeling as well, telling you “Good idea, but not practical.” Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, it does.

KRIS: Thus you would be receiving two different communications simultaneously.

JOHN: So, just to check here, if I thought about it and did the feelings and the ideas and the visualizations and what have you to create a mountain of gold in the backyard, and I felt great about it as opposed to feeling that it wasn’t very likely, then by golly, we’re getting close to having a pile of gold in the backyard!

KRIS: Indeed, and you also understand that the other feeling will likely be the one that tells you what you are going to get, the same as if you suddenly had the feeling that you want to step off the roof and fly. What do you think you will simultaneously feel?

MARK: Gravity. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Very quickly too! We have heard it said that sidewalks can fly upwards very fast. So by recognizing the subtleties of your own energy fields in that way, you fine-tune your instrument of reality creation.

JOHN: And as you fine-tune it, you find that you get more and more positive, empowering feelings.

KRIS: And you can leave behind notions of creating a mountain of gold in your backyard because you know that you are going to be swimming against the current of your own overall energies and your own efforts would best be suited in another direction.

JOHN: Right, I hear ya. So really the feelings is a complex system because on the one hand it’s feedback about ideas we’re entertaining, but on the other it’s a primal message about the deeper currents of creation that are happening as we speak.

KRIS: Indeed.

LIDA: You are constantly sending prototypes of feeling prototypes and you are evaluating them.

KRIS: Indeed, all the time. Now imagine individuals who constantly run around in and around their own feelings like a hamster in a maze. Many of them simply end up not doing anything. Thus, focusing on your uppermost set of feelings out of several projects that you intend and aim for one will bring greater benefits and faster results than trying to do a ten-course meal at once. That will also give you much more energy to generate the first project quickly, moving on to the next. And if you examine what you have done in line with this information all your life, you will recognize in plain emotional language, what you have been doing and how you have gone about it.

LIDA: Okay, how does the logical mind come into the picture?

KRIS: The logical mind holds all of the contradictory — and this is not all that it holds — but it also holds all of the contradictory sets of feelings that you have accumulated all your life. What we have referred to in the past as “mind monkeys” you will find in that portion of Self you call the logical mind. It does not have a set place. It is not something that you can find as easily as you can find this (holds up a glass) in a specific location, but it is always there.

Thus, the logical mind also seeks to create that sense of balance between what you call “practical” and “fantasy.” It is one of its functions, to give you a clearer concentration, but over the course of time that function of the logical mind can indeed have become rather burdened with excess information, often even negative programming. You can refer to it in certain terms as “flash memory.” Do you follow that? Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Mmhm.

KRIS: So every once in awhile, it is not a bad idea to purge that memory. Of course you cannot wipe it out, but you CAN give yourself a certain advantage by allowing to release all of that negative programming. Does that make sense?

LIDA: To whiten the walls.

KRIS: Indeed. If you teach a mouse one way to get out of the maze, and you put it in the maze, it knows how to get out of the maze. It is not necessarily a sign of intelligence.

LIDA: (Words indistinct)… memory.

KRIS: Indeed. Because all you have to do to confuse it is put it in a different maze. Then it will have to learn all over again. So the logical, conscious aspect of the mind is about patterns and when a pattern is sufficiently ingrained, then it becomes stored in what you call your subconscious where the processes are automatic. Now if you can teach a mouse to do other things than go through a maze, then you are onto something. And when you teach the mouse to roar, then you truly have a miracle on your hands! Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:14.

KRIS: Indeed, then we will leave you to ponder the mysteries that are yourselves. Not the mysteries OF yourselves, but the mysteries that ARE yourselves and may all your feelings lead you to a greater awareness; and if not, then may they all lead you to Rome.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

The Secret of the Triple ‘A’

April 17, 2008

Kris Chronicles Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar) and Reviewed by Tom Chez (Desirè)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 17, 2008

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com on such a beautiful sunny day. My name is Mark Bukator and I am co-hosting tonight along with…

JOHN: Thank you Mark. You’re co-hosting along with me John Hawkins, very happy to be part of the Kris radio show again, and of course we’re here with our friend Serge.

SERGE: Thanks John. Thanks Mark. And yes it’s an awesome day it’s like the real spring is now here. Don’t have to send Mother Nature – to learn about warming up – to Al Gore.

MARK: Beautiful, beautiful day!

JOHN: And we’re getting ready to have a radio show that is not a question and answer. That was a fun radio show last time.

MARK: That was a really fun show.

JOHN: I learned about orbs, which I hadn’t really learned… known about before, but yes, so are there announcements, upcoming events?

MARK: Always, always. Of course there’s a reminder about the upcoming CMI 2: Consciousness Mentoring Institute.

SERGE: That starts not this Saturday but next Saturday.

MARK: Next Saturday. And (for) details, you can go to consciousnessmentoring.com, and look under the courses or right on the home page too, there’s a link, and check out CMI 2.

JOHN: Yes, that’s going to be very interesting isn’t it? And that’s going to be a what… a 17, 18…

MARK: 16 to 18 weeks, well courses, it’s actually…

SERGE: Twice a month.

MARK: Twice a month.

SERGE: So that’s like eight months’ worth.

MARK: Yeah. And that the first one was very powerful and yet it’s the introduction!

SERGE: Yeah. And we’ve gotten, in response to the last radio show, which was a Q and A on our discussion forum, Krischronicles.com/forums…

MARK: “Forum” singular. [www.krischronicles.com/forum]

SERGE: …”forum” singular, several people enjoyed the answers and some people even mentioned that interestingly enough, the questions they didn’t write down were also answered.

JOHN: I noticed that with Gilla was making that comment.

MARK: Yeah, even Lisa.

SERGE: Yeah, Lisa as well.

JOHN: Really?

SERGE: Yeah. That’s kind of neat, little bits of synchronicity there.

JOHN: Oh!

MARK: He’s always got that knack.

JOHN: Nice to be part of that happening isn’t it? Even though we’re completely blind to it. (Laughter) At least I am, most of the time!

MARK: Now there is something else I wanted to talk about. And that is the New York, New Jersey weekend, September 6th and 7th of this year; Serge and I are planning on bringing Kris to New Jersey, just the other side of the river from New York, New York City.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: And we’ve got thanks to Ella and Inna who are organizing the event. We’ve got the conference room lined up and the hotel lined up and some nice discounts on the rooms and I think it’s going to be a spectacular event so I just want put the bug in everybody’s ear. I know it’s a little early but I’m going to be getting that information out as soon as possible and reserve those two dates, September 6th and 7th.

SERGE: Yes and I’m just wondering if our Calgary correspondents are on.

NICOLE: We are here!

MARK: Yey!

NICOLE: I’m excited to be here, hello!

MARK: Hello!

JOHN: Hi Nicole.

SERGE: Hi Matt.

MARK: How are you?

MATT: You know Nicole was just, Nicole was just saying how she was excited about going through CMI 1 again before starting CMI 2. I think that’s great.

MARK: Yeah, isn’t it?

NICOLE: It’s a nice refresher – to go through it again.

JOHN: Oh, that’s a good idea! I should do that myself.

SERGE: Yeah actually I think its Nardine (that) also mentioned that she was reviewing the CMI 1, its like Wow! Lots of little things she hadn’t noticed or little insights kept popping up from reviewing the material and then looking forward to number 2.

JOHN: That’s a good idea!

MARK: The little timelets.

JOHN: I think I’ll put those on my ipod so that when I go to jury duty…

MARK: Good idea!

JOHN: … I’ll be able to review those!

MARK: That’s right.

JOHN: What a great idea! Thanks Nicole.

MATT: Hey you know John…

NICOLE: You’re welcome!

MATT: Hey John, my daughter Delaney has a hat, and the hat has earphones in the hat so you can sit there in jury duty with the hat on with the ipod.

(Laughter)

SERGE: What’s that your Honor? Can you repeat that? You said what?

(Laughter)

JOHN: I’m just trying to imagine a lady’s hat with earphone flaps that you can wear indoors and it’s not working for me.

MATT: You know it wasn’t even a… it’s not a lady’s hat, it’s like just a ski cap that covers your ears, and it was Delaney’s project one day at school to try to listen to her ipod all day long.

SERGE: So she made it! Wow!

MATT: Yeah she did it.

NICOLE: I don’t know if we should be bragging about that.

(Laughter)

MATT: We’re very proud of our…

SERGE: We want the pictures. (Laughter)

MATT: (breaking up) We have a fantastic daughter!

MARK: Actually I saw something on television a couple of years ago where some fashion designers were working technology into the clothing so they had glasses that you could watch TV or video on, or hats and wardrobe that you could hook up to your ipods and so on. So that’s… Delaney is I guess one of the key people inventing this stuff. (Laughter)

SERGE: Yeah, very avant-garde.

MATT: It’s all those A-D-D people.

MARK: So what’s the weather like in Calgary?

MATT: It’s actually getting very, very nice and it’s getting very, very red. I can’t believe all the Calgary Flame jerseys running all around this place.

MARK: Oh right!

MATT: They’re all excited.

NICOLE: I don’t think I have ever seen a sports team support their team more than I’ve seen here. It is crazy! These kids sitting on this school bus, oh they were so adorable, they had flags hanging out the windows and they made signs and honk, and everyone was honking, oh it was just, it was so fun! I was just loving them!

SERGE: Sounds like a frosh week or March break. (Chuckling)

NICOLE: Yeah, oh god. And it is just a sea of red out here, boy! It’s gonna be fun!

MARK: That’s the playoffs!

MATT: Yeah those Canadians, boy, you guys love the hockey!

MARK: You should have seen when Toronto Blue Jays won the pennant two years in a row, talk about party! It didn’t stop!

SERGE: For two years! (Laughter)

JOHN: Well after a long cold winter, you know, it doesn’t take very much to get us excited.

SERGE: Yeah, and it was a long one, almost six months.

MATT: You know I think that people who live in climates that go through seasons have a more optimistic viewpoint towards life because when it’s cold winter they always, they know that eventually it’s going to get springtime.

SERGE: And I guess for whatever reason, Toronto has two seasons, winter and summer, that’s it! (Chuckling)

MARK: No, winter and construction.

SERGE: Yeah. Road construction.

MATT: Construction! (Chuckling)

MARK: Imagine the poor Inuit, they only get six months of darkness and then six months daylight.

MATT: You know Nicole and I look at road construction completely different now since the time in Sedona with Kris because Kris said: “notice the signs that you’re attracting, and if you’re attracting construction it’s because your life is under construction.”

MARK: Hmm… well we get a lot of that up here!

NICOLE: Yeah that was really amazing, what Kris had to say about that and we were noticing you know, cars passing. Theresa and I knew were in the car and we were talking about it and it was just amazing you know, noticing (the signs) “wide loads” and construction and you know, things under repair and, yeah, it’s pretty interesting. It’s amazing when you look at it like that, it’s a little bit more exciting.

MARK: Yeah because those weren’t little bits of construction, those were big, like they were building bridges and houses and big things!

NICOLE: Yeah.

MARK: Yeah it’s not like putting a nail in the wall to hang a picture frame.

MARK: Yeah.

MATT: Yeah, so… but we all create that right?

MARK: That’s right!

MATT: Construction and flat tires.

MARK: And flat tires. At least you got your bearings going!

MATT: Yeah, exactly.

(Pause)

JOHN: Well so…

MARK: Here we go.

JOHN: Oh here we go.

JOHN: Lovely.

MARK: Oh by the way we got these sirens out of the way in advance, all’s we had to do is set fire to the garbage can across the street! (Laughter)

JOHN: We didn’t do that! We were walking out in the street and someone had thrown a cigarette I think into a garbage can, it was smoldering away and the fire truck came and put it out. It only took three firemen to put that garbage can out. (Laughter)

MATT: Oh my god you guys are funny!

KRIS: Now we trust that you are always having as much fun and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: You had a very nice little discussion, especially concerning the subject matter of what kind of signs are you putting up in your world? And often as you travel in the city or even in the countryside especially during construction season, you can see interesting indications for those who are engaged in those kinds of actions, you will see confirmation. And in the case of construction season, those who are traveling to and fro will often see signs indicating “road under repair, road under construction, bridge under repair”, and all kinds of similar signage. And you may well ask yourself what you are creating.

Now on the one hand, you may have a ready-made indication in that, quite visibly so, in that you are in the process of renovating or constructing other aspects of your life. Other individuals who are focused elsewhere may see something entirely different, according to the nature of their adventure. And we also are aware that many people, just as they do with dreams, they would do with these signs and images, continuously ask: “what does it mean?” “What does it mean?” “What does that mean?” “What does this mean?” And as we have suggested in the past, you may sometimes be asking what it means so much; that the answers have no time and no means to get through to you. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes it does.

MARK: Absolutely. Stop and read the signs. (Chuckling)

KRIS: And a very simple matter of listening to your words, noticing the train of your thoughts, the flow of your ideas in those instances will give you a very simple indication that often the answers are not hidden from you as if an outside agency were keeping them out of sight, but that you are hiding the answers from yourself. Often simply because you do not take the time to take a deep breath and to acknowledge that since you have created the situation individually and as a group, in a participatory manner, it would make some sense that somehow or other, you do have the knowledge of why you have put this together and what it means to you. And it may simply be a matter of a quieting your own logical, intellectual mind long enough for the answers or solutions to come to the forefront, to make themselves visible, to hide behind the barriers that you have set up so that they can move out away from that barrier and show themselves. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yes it does.

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: It is after all a very simple process, but we do understand that at times of the simplicity of a solution or answer may not seem to match your expectations of a long, drawn out, complex approach whilst in truth the simplicity may be more than enough truth, correct?

(Mark and John confirm)

KRIS: So therefore what would you be observing then during the course of the actions of your day, your encounters, your friendships, your acquaintances, the events and circumstances that make up your waking life that are not all that different from the actions of your dreams when you sleep?

JOHN: (whispering to Mark) Was that a question?

MARK: Are we supposed to be answering that?

KRIS: You do not have to answer but it would definitely be educational for you to ponder on this issue.

JOHN: Oh I’ve got one for you Kris. Just the other day, I’ve been fooling around with some of the material you’ve been giving us about searching for, hunting for your dreams, and I’ve been having a little trouble figuring out exactly what it is I want in terms of what my dreams are, and a couple of days ago I got called in for jury duty, and it just suddenly occurs to me that maybe I’m creating a little space for myself to evaluate the evidence and come to some kind of a conclusion.

MARK: Guilty.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Now is this a hung jury?

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well that remains to be seen.

KRIS: There are many layers to that.

JOHN: Yes, we shall see. But that’s what you mean, you take an event in your life that seems you know, comparatively random and you say: “okay but the universe is under new management and the signs I’m putting up are meaningful to me.”

KRIS: It would indeed be meaningful as the result of your creation.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And of course it is always most beneficial to give yourself some leeway to allow some time for the answers to percolate to the surface, as it were. Many would be impatient in that sense that if they do not have that answer now, then of course you have all sorts of issues about self-worth coming into play, “what are they doing wrong?” and so on and so forth. And this leads into another related discussion that you had earlier. In that you often play with the issue of self-worth. Do you recall that discussion?

JOHN: Oh yes I think we had that over dinner and I was talking about how helpful I found it to give myself permission to achieve some desire because then even if my self-worth wasn’t up to par, then in this particular instance I was giving myself some leeway as you say.

KRIS: Indeed. And that also works on many levels simultaneously. How often have, even yourself considered that if you do not have a high sense of self-worth, then of course again, you must be doing something wrong; that you must not accept anything but the highest sense of self-worth only to find that you may not be cutting the mustard quite yet. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely, absolutely, they’re…

KRIS: Therefore you have dealings with issues of extremes. If you cannot have all the self-worth in the world, then you don’t want any, period. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And yet the answer may definitely not lie in either direction but somewhere in that balanced middle ground where you acknowledge that you want to be more than what you are today, as an individual, seeking his own value fulfillment, moving towards more of what you believe yourself to be. But does that mean that it can only be one thing and that you must have the highest sense of everything or it is not worth your time or endeavor?

JOHN: No, no. In fact it’s very, very helpful to give myself partial credit, partial marks for doing some things not too bad and hoping to do better on some other things and screwing a couple of things up as well!

KRIS: Indeed. In that way you give yourself tremendous amount of leeway and not box yourself in even more constrictive belief systems. The issue of self-worth will always fluctuate as a reflection of your own beliefs. And there may be days when your self-worth is very high indeed and other days where you are receiving indication that you are moving into an area or atmosphere of your own Self where the self-worth is somewhat opaque. It is not as clear. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh yes, very familiar.

KRIS: And from our own perspective, it may well be worth your time and effort to embrace even that sense of self-worth that is not 150 percent proof. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes it does, I’m catching a glimpse of that more and more.

KRIS: Indeed and it does not mean that you are settling for something less or settling for something mediocre. Every single aspect of your personality structure has its own finger on the pie of self-worth.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And some slices of that pie may indeed be bigger than others and perhaps one day that slice is not as big as that other but it is a process. And certain aspects of your own personality may be expressing a slightly lower sense of self-worth or appreciation. The goal being that you would not want to stomp on it simply because it does not meet your ideal, which would be viewed entirely from the ego perspective at that point. But it can include the possibility that you are recognizing that there is an issue here, which in working and bringing up to another level may be shoring up your personality that much more, giving yourself an advantage.

JOHN: Laying some groundwork.

KRIS: Indeed, establishing a solid foundation. Imagine for a moment the future homeowner comes and visits construction site, which they started yesterday and sees nothing but a big hole in the ground. Would it make sense for that homeowner to rant and rave about the big hole they’ve made in the ground and “where is my house, you have not done my house, all you have given me is a big hole in the ground” and on and on. You can of course hear the quartet of strings in the background.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Obviously such a future homeowner may need a good dose of the reality in those terms, correct?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely. And in fact I’m reminded of something you said several weeks ago that when we start… I forget the analogy exactly but basically when we start digging, digging into our deeper Self for meaning, that just like digging a hole in the ground, looking for a let’s say a well, you’re going to find some muddy water that’s gonna have to get you know, washed out of there before you can make much progress. So you know, in terms of self-worth, there may be days where my self-worth is not what I would like it to be but that may just be muddy water in the process of clearing!

KRIS: Indeed. And considering most individuals’ background in this particular North American society, self-worth is a fascinating adventure. Now there are those individuals who literally overdose on self-worth, creating a mask to hide their own lack of. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: The point being that an authentic individual does not consider that self-worth is something you point out to others in what they are lacking but more so in what they already have created and shore it up.

JOHN: Which I’ve noticed has been your approach consistently.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You somehow manage to look past all of the problems and difficulties and find the one positive thing and celebrate that, which I appreciate! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed we can perhaps venture deeper into that subject matter simply to point out that as we have suggested and mentioned in the past, not that long ago, is that you all have two kinds of reality you deal with. And the most important one is your private map of that reality, your presuppositions. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes. Is this the discussion of inner representations…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: …eventually being confirmed by outer…

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Thus if you come from a place where your inner representational systems, your own beliefs about yourself are such that self-worth is a touchy issue, you know the kind, touchy-feely, do not touch. This will of course be what is reflected in your physical reality and it will seem to confirm that the individual may not have much recourse as to his sense of self-worth, that indeed he may be doomed to experience a continual lack thereof but that is only because the system feeds upon itself. Remember Freddie Munch?

JOHN: Yes, I do.

KRIS: In that little analogy Freddie actually altered his own representational systems, freed the prison and broke the mirrors. In most individual’s cases it can also be done that the representational systems can be modified thus freeing the individual.

JOHN: Yes I hear you there. In fact for me, the most freeing aspect of my inner representations has been understanding that they’re my creations.

KRIS: Indeed. And if you take the time to observe, pay attention and listen to individuals engaged in that process, you may notice that for the most part they make a concerted effort to move away from those representations that are not fulfilling them at that time and it may seem like a worthy and worthwhile endeavor until you examine what is occurring with their concentration. And if you for instance, or you Philip, or anyone listening, notice that you are desperately trying to move away from where you are which may be a place you do not want to be, what are you concentrating on?

JOHN: What you don’t want.

KRIS: Indeed, that old game again. The idea being you can change those systems, to create what you want to move towards. As such, what are you concentrating on?

JOHN: You’re concentrating on what you actually desire!

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Actually the thought that leaps to my mind is that one of the things I find a little hard to explain to people who are new to this material is the idea of accepting, Triple A you know, acknowledge, address and accept the things they don’t want in their lives.

KRIS: Indeed. And do you know why?

JOHN: It feels to people like they’re settling for something they don’t want!

KRIS: Indeed and also because they have over-identified with that aspect that they do not want to be any longer. But because they are doggedly fighting it every inch of the way, they are like stuck to it with crazy glue.

JOHN: Right. So this is what I try to explain, is that acknowledging, addressing and accepting something you don’t want, is not settling for it, it’s releasing your concentration from it so that you can focus on what you do want!

KRIS: And do you know, after all these years of working with Triple A, have you found the secret?

JOHN: Have I found the secret? Yes! I have found the secret.

KRIS: Because the accepting is not accepting what you do not want, it is accepting YOU!

JOHN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: Because individuals have a very natural tendency to identify those parts or aspects of themselves with what they want to move away from, as if it is part of themselves. Once you can make that separation you are accepting Self – not what you do not want, but you are accepting Self.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: What you do not want becomes a non-issue because then you free up your mind and your own inner resources to begin directing your attention to what you want, to the state you want to be in, to the experience you want to have because it is lived in the now.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It all begins in that instant.

JOHN: Yes, the way I have in fact, you know I’m so glad that I did get that secret because… I just said because… let’s be positive! Because it turns out I did get that secret…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: …and the… the way I put that to myself is that the Triple A: acknowledge, address and accept… the accepting, you’re right, it’s not simply accepting the thing you don’t want as being a present condition but it’s accepting yourself and honoring yourself as the person who created and chose that in the first place and who has the power now to make another choice.

KRIS: Indeed and the simple matter of bringing about a comprehension that at one time they did consider that this issue or that which is now an issue or point of contention was valid and necessary for their well-being and it may simply be a matter of recognizing that this is no longer working in your favor. Thus by accepting, you give yourself permission to move forward and not keep moving backwards.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And it can be a very powerful process.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Perhaps there is a question or two?

MARK: Matt?

(Silence)

MARK: H-E-L-L-O!

NICOLE: No, no, we don’t have any questions right now.

MARK: Okay. That’s actually something that I am very familiar with, is this concept. And back when I first met Serge and Kris I was in a very deep depression and was going through some pretty dark issues and it took me awhile to understand it but those aspects of Self that I felt shameful about and that were there to help me realize that what I was creating, what I focusing on and that I needed to move away from those issues and those belief patterns and behaviors and yeah, I have a good understanding of that now.

KRIS: Indeed. Consider for a moment that for express purposes, the human mind, whether you throw in there the subconscious, the unconscious, anything else, may be divided into two arenas: what you are feeling ashamed of and guilty, all the things you want to get away from, which may imply you want to bury, you want to ignore, you want to discount, you want to deny. And the things that you want to move towards, but unable to because you can’t get away from the previous. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

KRIS: Now, again the point is: the accepting relates to the Self because when you deny, whether the issue is something that caused you shame or guilt or both or more, you naturally select that aspect of your personality involved in that adventure and wish to also separate it from you, so you are, in many respects, whittling yourself away in a pit of shame and guilt. Do you follow?

(Yes)

KRIS: And then the bits of the Self that you are left with may not have sufficient momentum, for the sake of this analogy only, may not have sufficient momentum to carry you through to what you want to achieve. Thus by providing that acceptance in your heart, by actually opening the doors to the heart and creating that healing atmosphere where you embrace, acknowledge, recognize, address and once again nurture those various parts of yourself that you have denied before, embraced them back into your life, you are doing more than simply reconciling, but you are healing your own lovely Self. You are recognizing the wholeness of the Self. And your attention will be drawn less and less towards what you do not want and more and more towards what you do want, towards those states of excellence. We will be addressing this more in depth in the second phase of CMI because this actually, ever so slightly expresses some of the mechanisms involved in creating your personality structure. You do create it like you would anything in your reality.

JOHN: Yeah that’s a fascinating thought isn’t it, that I create it.

KRIS: Now many individuals think all they do is clap and there it is! But it is actually a process of consciousness, everything is. Thus in the case of your own personality structure or anyone’s personality structure, you have built it, the building blocks are traits and characteristics but these are motivated by specific items.

JOHN: Yes and aspects of myself.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: One of the things that has helped me I would say in the last year or more, a couple of years maybe, is getting to actually know my personality structure a little bit better which I accomplish by noticing and paying attention to what I do on a day-to-day basis.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And the key for me there is… as amazing as it sounds, for years and years and years, I was taking about 20 percent of my actual life, the part where the self-worth was let’s say above middle C, and I was saying “well that’s me” and this other 80 percent is just like a bad day or you know, a bad egg roll (chuckling) or whatever it is!

KRIS: You mean like junk DNA?

JOHN: Exactly, exactly! But what I’m beginning to see now is that the whole thing is me, and not only that, but as I begin to watch the patterns, for instance about a week ago, I got an abominable thing that kept me in bed for two or three days and totally ruined my appetite for a week. Now I know myself well enough by now, having watched my patterns, I put on some weight over the winter and I was starting to feel kind of fat, and what I did there with that illness was to break that pattern and to give me an opening into another way, another sort of ecology of food and activity, but I needed a break and I used the illness as that break. And understanding that this is my pattern has been very comforting for me.

KRIS: Indeed. And you may thus have noticed that there is a kind of a deep sense of fulfillment that comes from these observations as opposed to the sense of simply proclaiming from the rooftops that “everything is one, we are all one, the universe is one, life is all one…”

JOHN: On the good days.

KRIS: Indeed.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Yes absolutely. What it’s allowed me to do is it’s created a layer of awareness of myself that I can rely on, no matter how crappy I feel. (Chuckling) I know that there’s this deeper layer that says “you know what? Yes you feel crappy, there’s a reason for it, it’s meaningful, and tomorrow it likely won’t be there!” (Chuckling)

KRIS: And that is quite correct.

MARK: Throughout this whole conversation I can’t help but think of EFT, Emotional Freedom Technique, and “even though I feel this or am that I deeply and completely accept myself.”

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: Yes a very powerful statement.

MARK: Those healing words, it’s acceptance.

JOHN: Yeah.

MATT: You know there is a real popular book, a business book, it’s called “Now Discover Your Strengths” (by Marcus Buckingham and Donald O. Clifton) and it says that there’s like 36 skill sets that people have and if they… most people spend their time running around, trying to fix the things that are wrong with them, and this book says that if you focus more attention on the things that are right about you, your strengths, you can maximize your strengths and be far more successful and far more happy by focusing on what you can do well as opposed to the things that the maybe you judge yourself harshly on.

KRIS: Indeed and the outcome of such an exploration and would not only increase the bottom line but also manifest in the private lives of those individuals, allowing them to see that it is all well to recognize what shortcomings there are to be noticed, but what do you do with them once you notice them? You stop concentrating on them and then you start concentrating on your strengths. You build upon even the slightest strength and take it from there. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: It does and it also… it seems would be very helpful in how you view other people because a lot of times we may get stuck in the trap of nit-picking or looking and noticing things wrong with people. If you look at the strengths of people, which is a reflection of you, it seems like it would change your feelings towards them and yourself.

KRIS: As well, indeed. And how many individuals today, in spite of reading such metaphysical literature as there is to be read, following the words and teachings of this one and that one, suddenly fall to pieces the moment there is a bee in the bonnet.

(Confirms)

KRIS: The point being that if you already begin to establish those patterns, alter your inner representations towards all of the positive constructive outcomes that you want in life and apply it, you certainly are establishing a powerful foundation where there will not be a hole in the ground, but instead a powerful, solid foundation that will support the house you build on it. Does that make sense?

MARK: Indeed.

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Do you wish a break? What is the time?

MARK: It’s about quarter to.

KRIS: Indeed do you wish a small break?

MARK: Sure.

KRIS: Indeed then.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on ThatRadio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and we’ve been sitting here chatting with Kris about the secret of the Triple A.

JOHN: Yes, it’s been a very interesting hasn’t it? I kind of feel as though it’s like Triple A redux, as though we’re “Triple A unplugged” or something.

SERGE: Let’s triple A the Triple A.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Uh-uh, it’s been very interesting. Take a deep breath and step back and acknowledge that you’re the one who created this so it must be meaningful! I find that very empowering.

KRIS: Now then, what would your thoughts and observations be then if you noticed – whether it is yourself or another – stated that they want to have all the self-worth in the world or none at all?

JOHN: I would say there’s a great deal of fear and a lack of self-worth, they’re almost daring themselves to fulfill their own dreams.

KRIS: And quite likely setting themselves up to fail as well.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Because such extremes are indicative of fear, of low self-worth and other issues. And how can an individual (pause for sirens)

MARK: We couldn’t do a show without the sirens.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed did you know that there is an extra charge for that?

(Laughter)

KRIS: Thus such an individual may indeed be trying to hide behind that kind of bravado simply because they have no clue where to start. And in such an instance it might be most helpful to acknowledge the situation, to begin addressing it by pointing out that they may already have more self-worth than they can recognize at this point in time and that it is possible to build up upon it.

They may be of a certain age, they may have spent years learning various skills, even if they believe they are not coping well, they may have found coping skills where they can still navigate the high seas of life, they learned to read, write, to speak, they went through school. And none of these could truly be accomplished to any degree if they had no self-worth whatsoever. They may simply be in a place at this point in time where they have disconnected from their main sense of self-worth. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely, yup I like the approach.

KRIS: Indeed, in so many other words they may indeed have whittled away at their sense of self-worth for so long that they lost track of where it all went. It is still there, it cannot be dissipated, it cannot evaporate, it cannot be cut off but it can be denied. Any aspect of the Self can be denied. Thus by recognizing that this exists already, then you can move towards a state where the sense of self-worth is more prominent and balanced and begins to nurture and heal the personality overall.

JOHN: Actually what occurs to me also is that, let’s say you’re faced with such a person and it might even be myself, where I’m just fed up and I’m laying it on the line and I’m saying “either I want all self-worth or nothing.” Well this seems to me to be an example of radio interference (static on the reception) no, this seems to me to be an example of the flashpoint that you spoke of recently where certain oppositions and certain allowances create a certain configuration that comes to a head and if I recall correctly, and I do, you said that such a flashpoint was an opportunity for quantum leaps…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: …in understanding.

KRIS: Do understand that your personality is structured similar to most of the various types of governments on your planet.

JOHN: Oh! That’s interesting.

KRIS: Now living in a… we will still call it a democracy though it is often much more recognized as a bureaucracy, you have an excellent representation of the inner workings of your own consciousness in that sense. There are interesting areas in a government and one of the most fascinating is in your country, you have what we believe is called the House of Commons.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Where debate can ensue, correct?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Though sometimes it had been compared to a bunch of caged monkeys in a zoo.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And for all intents and purposes, that is where various proposed legislations and their intended and unintended outcomes are put to discussion, to debate, so that you can explore the issues more in-depth. That creates a flashpoint, that creates a realization in its own way, and your own personality structure does engage many points of view simultaneously in order to discern where you want to be at any given time. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: So you do have that particular debating function.

JOHN: It’s interesting, you could almost think of that as your self-talk…

KRIS: In many respects…

JOHN: …at the would be opposition parties and… (Chuckling)

KRIS: This is a healthy self-talk. Inner dialogue that is one-sided, that may repeat the voice and energy of one or the other parent, which was most intimidating to you in your views is another issue entirely.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: In other words, overly PC. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed it is not Mac enough.

JOHN: So you’re talking about healthy debate…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: …that airs all the…

KRIS: And not all of it will be perceived at the conscious level. Some of it may indeed be completely occurring at the subconscious level but it still occurs. These are what you term as explorations of probabilities.

JOHN: Right. And the reason that we’re entertaining all of these different points of the view is not to torture ourselves but to provide us with a bunch of different options.

KRIS: Indeed, in line with your own value fulfillment.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:01.

KRIS: Indeed then we will allow the value fulfillment of others to pursue and we thank you for your consideration.

(Thank you Kris)

MARK: Well that wraps it up again, thanks Matt and Nicole!

MATT: Well thanks guys for having us.

MARK: You’re very welcome. Thanks to Hugh on the boards and state tune for “Cat and Taylor’s Spiritual Feast” here on ThatRadio.com. Goodnight.

(Goodnight!)

(Session ends)

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