What is Consciousness?

December 30, 2007

Kris Chronicles – What is Consciousness?
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Sunday, December 30, 2007

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), David (Elohim), Barbara and Nick

(7:40 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration, considering that it is the last such discussion in your present year.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And of course, as in everyone’s lives, a year encompasses many different activities, creating many different kinds of memories, many reflections on years past and anticipations on years to come. It is a custom among most of your people to also prepare your new year’s resolutions, is it not?

(Yes)

It may assist you in preparing for the year ahead, may set certain goals for your objectives, may entice you to look forward to specific plans and situations in the new year or you may, like many individuals, make a long list only to make certain you shred it the next morning!

(Group laughter)

Unless of course one of your new year’s resolutions is to take all of the new year’s resolutions and do nothing about them and that can be just as sweet. One of the things that this particular period of time generates in a great number of people is perspective. It may allow you to reflect as mentioned on many of the situations of the past year, it may enable you to consider options, to ratify some of your plans, get focused, and so many other things. In so many other words, it may be an opportune time to dialog, if you wish, with your Inner Self to reference your consciousness for the actions you’ve taken, the actions you plan to take and the situations and actions you have presently about you.

Which leads us into an interesting question and we do not necessarily expect a definitive answer, but some kind of perspective might be of assistance to you and that question is: What is consciousness? Everyone talks about it, especially in metaphysical and New Age circles, as if there is some kind of very specific definition and yet it is an extremely elusive term, this “consciousness.” So we ask you: What is consciousness?

DAVID: On the surface awareness.

KRIS: It is an answer, indeed.

NICK: Another is [that] it is more than what it appears to be…. or what things appear to be in terms of being conscious of things around you… is one form that consciousness takes.

KRIS: Indeed.

NICK: It allows thoughts and it allows…. consciousness allows us to be aware of our thoughts… It’s like… It feels like it’s a home to the thoughts.

KRIS: It does apply to a certain degree, yes. Anything else?

MARK: It’s not static, it’s ever-changing. That’s one of the reasons it’s so hard to apply a definition to it.

KRIS: In many respects, that is also correct. (To Barbara) What about yourself?

BARBARA: I was just thinking of this definition: When people are in a coma, they say somebody is unconscious, that they’re asleep, they don’t react, they don’t interact with the world outside. So conscious would be when you’re interacting, whether it’s the reality here or anywhere else.

KRIS: It does apply, indeed. All of these are very good answers and perspectives on the topic and by far would not necessarily cover everything, but is sufficient to give you a particular vision. You could say that consciousness is a particular point of reference enabling you to experience a state of awareness and there may be, for the sake of discussion, three specific stages in the defining of consciousness, particularly in terms of your species.

Consciousness can be said to be a point of reference enabling you to have a certain kind of objective point of view of yourself and your actions in the world. And it should be understood that your self is also an action. Neither is consciousness static, nor yourselves. In fact there is nothing static about yourselves at all, even if you are being completely immobile. Whether you are sleeping or otherwise, there is always something occurring within you, psychologically, emotionally, physically. Always something occurs.

That is a first stage: having an understanding of what that “consciousness” is. And the second stage enables you to have differentiation and that differentiation can be broken down into two steps. The first step is to have awareness of a thing, including yourself, and to experience something, including yourself. And there is a difference between having awareness of say, anger or resentment or hurt feelings and experiencing those very same topics. Does that make sense to you?

(Answers of both “yes” and “no” with some shy chuckling.)

Developing an objective understanding of these two is also very important because it enables you to have a better understanding and appreciation of who and what you are, especially when you are experiencing a state and not really aware that you are experiencing it. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: It’s starting to.

KRIS: For instance, take anger or pain, emotional pain, say. Many individuals are certainly prone to experiencing them and not truly aware that they are experiencing them at that moment, but the moment that you can differentiate from the experiencing of it and have awareness of what you are experiencing, then it is much easier to defuse certain states that you might consider unpleasant or undesirable. It does not create a numbness of mind or a discounting of those situations. It actually generates increased awareness of your own capacity as a human being. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Thus by becoming aware of what you are experiencing can enhance the third stage: EGO, that lovely construction of psychological factors, labeled as ego. Something again, that many people know how to pronounce and may very well be able to detect in others, but not necessarily truly being able to detect in themselves! And all kidding aside, perhaps the reason we suggest it is important in this way is that the ego allows you to reflect on the objectivity involved in perceiving your consciousness in action.

Thus it becomes an invaluable aid in the so-called quest for enlightenment, for understanding, for knowledge and for wisdom and it all functions in line with the very first description of consciousness: a point of reference which allows all the others to exist and be. Consider for example, the astronomer, whether in Hawaii or Chile or some other wonderful place where there are observatories utilizing massive telescopes to scan the heavens at night, to spot stars, perhaps solar systems in far away galaxies. In so many ways, the act of observing through the telescope gives the astronomer a point of reference. In fact, he or she could not be observing without that point of reference being present.

In older days, navigators on the high seas used the sextant to find their point of reference on the vast oceans by correlating the coordinates of stars to their position on their ship. You could say then, in some ways, your own ego construction in conjunction with the description we have given before, functions as a psychological sextant in a way, allowing you to find your coordinates amongst the stars so that you can find your way to navigate whatever direction is yours to navigate. Does that make some sense?

DAVID: As long as there are absolutely no follow-up questions, yes! Complete sense!

(Group laughs)

KRIS: Nowadays you are more sophisticated. You utilize the Global Positioning System, but they still work the same. Does that make some sense so far?

(Yes)

So by allowing the lovely ego to expand, you develop more and more awareness, which enhances and even enlarges your conception of consciousness in a very real, almost literal sense. It allows you to situate and contextualize yourselves in your lives. That way you may be less prone to consider your lives as simply a vast barrage of events and conditions thrown at you from every which direction and that the course of life is unknown to you, because you have your own lovely ego construction that enables you to pinpoint that reference within consciousness that says “I am here, I am now, and I am.” Does that make sense to you?

When you go to these very large shopping malls and you find the information wall and it tells you the diagram of the mall and it also says, “You are here,” you could say then that your lovely ego construction functions as the kind of system that says, “You are here.” And do understand you might be surprised, thinking that of course others also know they are here, but there are many people who do not know that they are here. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: Hmm… No.

BARBARA: Yeah… Maybe I can… say something?

KRIS: Indeed.

BARBARA: This is really interesting, because right now I’m going through a specific period in my life where I have a new partner in my life and lately I find he’s constantly in opposition and I choose not to go in rage, but sort of calmly choose a different emotion… maybe not so angry, just a bit angry… so in other words, I think I’m experiencing that second stage where I can actually…. I know that in the past I would go to fight right away, but I choose not to, or I try to look for other solutions, so in that sense, I could say I’m realizing I am here and now and I can choose my path, like a path of building relationship instead of a path of not building or destroying it. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed, in other words you are soliciting within yourself different kinds of behaviors. You do not necessarily want to act as you may have done in the past. It is a recognition of your ability to choose and be flexible with your choices. This may provide you, again, with an enhanced awareness of self as long as you also give some recognition to the feelings that you experience.

BARBARA: Yeah… that needs work.

KRIS: Do keep in mind that consciousness is not static and neither are you. You are always a developmental process, as consciousness is.

BARBARA: Yes, and I have a question in that quest of sort of, not going into rage, but not being really very happy, sort of like… is it okay for me to actually be angry but not going into that very angry state?

KRIS: You can indeed acknowledge that you are angry without necessarily displaying whatever definitions of anger others or yourself have come up with in the past. There are some individuals who may believe that if you are angry you have to scream at the top of your lungs and bring down the heavens as you are doing it, and there are others who acknowledge that yes, a situation may make them uneasy and angry and at the same time they have choices in how they want to behave.

BARBARA: So could I also say that in that sense, when you are aware of those emotions that you can actually choose the direction you can go, like in a mall when you know where you are, you know where you can choose to go.

KRIS: Indeed.

BARBARA: Instead of getting lost.

NICK: What direction you can go.

KRIS: Indeed all of these are possibilities and there is always more than one way to get to where you want to go and it is up to you to determine which is the best way for you to go. Even if you must take detours, it is still possible to attain your destination.

BARBARA: Thank you.

KRIS: Thus, to continue our small presentation on consciousness, we bring this about merely to encourage you to consider that actions and events and situations and circumstances that exist in the so-called past; the actions, circumstances, conditions, situations that exist in your now; and the many such circumstances, situations and conditions that WILL exist in your days to come, months and years, are all various points of reference. What determines a point of reference is YOU.

Without you there are no points of reference. Just as with the astronomer, utilizing powerful telescopes: the astronomer becomes the point of reference for what he or she is observing through the telescope, whether it be a meteor, a nearby planet, a distant galaxy, all of these are in reference to the astronomer and his or her consciousness. Developing that particular kind of objectivity in your awareness is a tremendous tool. This is not a new tool. It is one that you have been using from the very dawn of humankind. We are simply presenting this in a different way for you to grasp and even run with.

And from your own point of reference, you can entice events, conditions and circumstances of your life to become part of your journey. You are consciously aware of only so many points of reference, only so many paths as far as your conscious awareness goes. Subconsciously you might even be aware of all potential paths and of all potential points of reference. These may or may not matter to you so much as the point of reference that is before you that exists in the moment. What is important about the point of reference of the moment is that it is your launching pad for all others.

Though the astronomer may ponder at the stars and the planets he or she observed yesterday — and these might all be very important — or the stars that he or she will examine in the next night or the next year, these are all fine and exciting as well. But what matters to the astronomer right now is what he or she is seeing right now in the telescope. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

As well for yourselves, there might be countless different paths but there is still just that one point of reference that is you right now and from that point of reference, from that “you are here,” you can launch creative journeys into the new year, just as the astronomer will anticipate that tomorrow night, he or she will look up at the sky and see stars. It is a given. It will be highly surprising if there were no stars tomorrow night. Even though there may be clouds, there are still stars, so even though you are here right now in the present as your point of reference in consciousness, there will still be tomorrows and these are all created now.

This is a round-about way to bring another perspective to the table, as it were, encouraging you to be free with yourselves, with your thoughts, allowing yourselves some flights of fancy, as it were, stimulating your imaginations in some ways, and at the same time encouraging you to be aware. That is the point: without awareness, there is no consciousness in your terms. Now, there is another point of reference altogether and that one stipulates that everything is consciousness and you may have an ideological sense of what that refers to but for all intents and purposes you have no direct experience of what that actually translates to. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

You might consider it a philosophical or metaphysical debate worthy of the greatest minds in the world, and still such minds would not be able to completely grasp such a topic. But this does not prevent any of you from dabbling in those areas, acquiring a certain feeling-tone or sense for what you think it might mean and as long as you allow yourselves some room to grow. Do not box the concept in narrow terms, but allow for surprises, then indeed you yourselves may intuit more than those who are in need of boxing the concepts. Do you have any questions?

NICK: Just in my history of studying philosophy and studying religion and then feeling that I need to get out of that context, so I look at spiritualism in different schools of thought and what I discovered is that even though they think they are more expansive than religions, they can be just as narrow because they are still boxing people in…

KRIS: If not even narrower.

NICK: Yeah, yeah, and they’re forgetting the joy of playing, of enjoying their knowledge and not boxing it but allowing it to be free and enjoying how creative and expressive it moves in different directions beyond our boxing in… and so, (Chuckling) I can relate to what you said.

KRIS: Now it is quite natural a property of human beings to put things in little boxes…

NICK: And create things, make it physical.

KRIS: As well. It is to your collective advantage to understand, thereby being aware that you are prone to this habit of wanting to box life and consciousness into neat little terms so that you can label it, examine it. And in and of itself, there is nothing wrong with such a process as long as you understand that it is merely your attempts to understand and that life itself can never truly be boxed in. In fact the more one attempts to put life into little boxes, the more you need boxes.

(Group chuckling)

And eventually you might get to a point where you would have to put yourself in a box and as soon as you do that, then you have fallen for your own trap. Again, because consciousness, and as a result yourselves, are more than the sum of all of your parts. You are ever active, changing creatures, thus it is to your collective and individual advantage to spread your wings. As soon as you believe your wings are too closed, open them up again. Do you have any questions or inquiries to add, Philip?

MARK: No.

DAVID: From my end, I’ve heard the phrase in scientific circles, quantum circles: “Butterfly in Brazil flaps its wings, causes the tornado in –”

KRIS: Indeed, it is referred to as “the butterfly effect.”

DAVID: Yes. That’s the one. I’ve heard that for decades, but in my own way in the last few months, I am experiencing it because –

KRIS: So you caught that damned butterfly!

(Group laughs)

DAVID: (Chuckling) Well, thanks to you I’m sitting in Ontario, Canada and with someone who’s sitting thousands of miles away, I get to do the Yuen method through Skype and the pain intensity is eight, nine, ten and in minutes it goes to zero and in my experience it makes me giggle, because it doesn’t match the mainstream.

KRIS: Indeed, because locations, geographical locations, are completely irrelevant to consciousness.

DAVID: (Chuckling)

KRIS: Such experiments have also been demonstrated in wonderful ways. We do not know if you are familiar with the rabbit experiment, but let’s say, for the sake of discussion, a mother rabbit gives birth to several little rabbits in Argentina.

DAVID: Okay.

KRIS: Then mother rabbit is sent by submarine to the Arctic Ocean thousands of miles away and perhaps one of the little rabbits is made to experience pain in Argentina and mother rabbit’s brain will register, at that same instant, that one of her offspring has experienced pain.

DAVID: Was this really done?

KRIS: Indeed.

BARBARA: Actually I have experienced that as well with my son. When I was breastfeeding, when he was hungry I actually felt my milk, I knew he was hungry, because I was ready, too. [Barbara is referring to the "let-down" reflex in nursing mothers. When her baby is hungry, the mother may be out of the room and unaware on a conscious level, but she will suddenly feel her breasts filling with milk before the baby even cries out.]

KRIS: There are interconnected pathways within your systems that link you to all life forms, all animate and inanimate forms in your world and even beyond that, especially since (pointing) you create your experience of the world and you create YOUR experience of the world, and somewhere together you create your experience of the world, so you are all interconnected. In the ancient Vedas this is described as the Net of Indra. You might desire to look that up.

This is a concept, the Net of Indra, that your quantum physicists are beginning to discover, and yet your ancient ancestors spoke about this thousands of years ago. And still, even though in those terms they described this thousands of years ago, just as geographical locations are irrelevant to consciousness, so are time and space. Thus the ancestors, the ancients who described this Net of Indra thousands of years ago are directly linked to the consciousness of those scientists experimenting with the topic.

There are pathways to connections and these pathways are indeed purely psychological and still they produce effects exactly in the same way that a butterfly in South America may create a storm in China…. or we should say the flapping of the wings of the butterfly. So there are always connections. And whether it is considered to be the world of the ancients thousands of year ago, in other terms still, it could be said that this is an allegorical interpretation for something you do not yet know how to interpret.

It is a way to situate even what your quantum scientists are barely scratching the surface about. If you consider people that barely fifty years ago were considered still Stone Age, that could give descriptions of a dwarf star in another solar system that was not discovered until decades later, that should pique the interest of the entire world. Does that make some sense to you?

DAVID: (Quizzically) Not a lot…?

MARK: The Dogon people, which by our standards now even, let alone back then, were still considered stone age people. They still exist on the planet now, but they’re a very backward society as far as we’re concerned and they’ve got historical records and discussions or whatever about a brown dwarf star that we’ve only discovered through telescopes twenty, thirty years ago.

DAVID: Oh, okay. Thank you.

KRIS: Does that now make sense? It could be explained through fanciful theories of traveling aliens giving knowledge. It could also be explained through a host of other ways and there may not be any specific, particular explanation that will fit all categories, but suffice it to know that all of these exist through the properties of consciousness and various points of reference within consciousness.

So the Dogon people, considered still in some ways very much a Stone Age people, have knowledge about things, only some of which you have already now discovered, but they have known this for thousands of years. There are interrelationships with varieties of time-space that is still unknown to your physicists. They may speak about other dimensions, other realities, other probabilities and they may be able to put these down on the blackboards in mathematical formulae and that is all fine and dandy, but when it comes to actually experiencing it viscerally, that is another matter and in that way, it is also possible that even your physicists are themselves somewhat Stone Age.

(Group chuckling)

NICK: I like that!

DAVID: With very expensive equipment!

KRIS: Indeed! You do not get to have a Stone Age with few rocks.

MARK: Mind you, the Flintstones had it all!

NICK: Doesn’t it tell us that there’s different ways of seeing the universe rather than just through the telescope?

KRIS: Correct.

MARK: It also tells us that there are alternate sources of information, that there are so many holes in the official reality that it can be viewed as Swiss cheese.

NICK: We create a system of reality that depends on physical sight and technology to see, which is fine. I’m not putting it down –

KRIS: As we are not, it is a wonderful, creative expression.

NICK: Yes, it is a very beautiful –

KRIS: But it can also be one of the little boxes you put yourselves into.

NICK: There can be other ways of seeing, so I’m learning to respect this way, but I have to respect that there’s other ways of seeing.

KRIS: Correct. There are other ways. Some may not be suitable for your species and others may be. You can still see with your eyes closed and anyone can test this. Now we are not advising that you drive with your eyes closed, especially out of your driveway, but the mere act of closing your eyes does not produce blackness but allows you to see imagery, correct? Images in your mind’s eye.

(Yes)

So therefore you can see with your eyes closed and even if you were to plug your ears, you might still be able to hear certain sounds and your ears do not hear all the sounds that can be heard. Dogs can hear sounds you will never, as a human being, be able to hear. You smell certain things, and your olfactory sense is a very powerful one, but dogs best you in that area by almost a hundred thousand times. It only takes a dog, apparently, according to your sciences, a few molecules of scent to have it ingrained in his memory almost forever. You need at least a few molecules more.

NICK: Let’s not forget bats.

KRIS: Indeed, there are all types of creatures in your world that have far more refined senses than your own. You cannot see a certain amount of the spectrum of light, but other animals can, but does it mean that because you cannot see them that it does not exist? In the same way does it mean that because you think that there is empty space between you and another object that there cannot be anything there?

And of course you would consider that this table, made of wood and slabs of stone, would be solid and indeed we would not advise you to try to run through it. It would definitely hurt your shins, if not outright to break them, yet the apparent solidity of this table is just that: apparent. Your physical senses interpret it as a solid object and a rather heavy one at that, and still it is an accumulation of molecules that vibrate at a certain frequency and within the arrangement of molecules there is much free space that you could not detect. To you it appears as if there is no space available, that this is solid. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

So there are more things going on in your world than you might be able to perceive and there are more things going on in your own minds and bodies than you might be able to conceive of. By leaving your minds as open as possible, as non-judgmental as possible, you avail yourself of a greater spectrum of awareness and that is the beautiful point of our earlier discussion on consciousness, on awareness, because by developing awareness in this way, you do engage in yourself the potential of being far less judgmental, mostly towards yourselves because you are witness.

That is what being aware is. It is very much akin to what you call the Witness within yourself. You are familiar with that term, the Witness, the observer within yourself? It is also very akin to that part of you that watches you having a dream, that watches you act in a dream. And the more you cultivate that perspective, that point of reference, the more engaged you become within the process and you can see yourself for an unfolding personality and not someone who should be able to do this or should be able to do that, but instead enjoys what you are able to do when you do it. Are there other questions or inquiries?

DAVID: Regarding ringing in the ear — not a physical, medical issue — when you hear that at different times, at least I have in my life… Can you comment on that?

KRIS: There are various types of ringing in the ears. If it is a persistent and troublesome challenge, then it is always a good idea to verify at the physical level to make certain you are not expressing something more considerable, perhaps ear infections, difficulties with the inner ear, even tumors, and anything relating to the physical. There might be psychological involvement: Perhaps someone is not willing to listen to certain things, perhaps even listen to their own truths, so they might want to block it out, have the noise camouflaged by ringing in the ears. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: The ringing in your ear is a signal that you’re blocking? Putting up blocks?

KRIS: That is a possibility amongst many, and then there are occasions when it might be a means for say, your Source or Higher Self to draw your attention. But before one proclaims it right away to be an inner communication, all areas might benefit from being examined. There are again, individuals who have insisted it is their Inner Self communicating with them when it might have been their own subconscious drawing attention to the fact that they have a serious physical issue developing. So this also ties in from the first to the third, but at the same time, all areas need to be covered. Does that make sense?

DAVID: Yes. One example is if it’s the third, and you are doing something… for example, driving the car down the highway and it’s the third type… I forget the word you used for the third type…

KRIS: If it is a communication from your Higher Self or Source or whatever, then you can draw your attention inwardly. Engage the communication perhaps through inner dialog.

DAVID: I’ve learned that if it is that kind of communication, to change what you’re doing. So if you’re driving down the highway, to change what you’re doing, maybe go off on that exit…

KRIS: It is possible. One can follow one’s impulses.

DAVID: [Such as] to save you from the events coming down the road.

KRIS: There is perhaps that you might be speeding and there is a speed trap up ahead. That is a possibility, but there is also the possibility that you might be engaging in a situation of life that needs to be addressed perhaps in terms of a malaise or disease. By releasing those blockages, then you can affect for yourself, again, a change. But first and foremost, it will be a communication perhaps only to draw your attention that there is a physical discomfort in that part of the body.

DAVID: If it’s the third type of communication, what do you do?

KRIS: Engage in inner dialog. Work out the situation. Use a process we have given called “Simply Ask Why.” That may bring about an understanding and a greater awareness of your point of reference, your consciousness.

DAVID: “What’s happening here?”

KRIS: Indeed. The answers are usually available, but they are difficult for one who does not want to have the answers. That can be a tremendous challenge.

NICK: And we can all do that really well!

KRIS: You are excelling at this.

NICK: Yep!

MARK: Sometimes I find I get that ringing in my ear when I’m actually entertaining a conversation in my head that I’m not necessarily paying attention to and that maybe I should be. When I get that ringing I try to stop and pay attention to what that conversation is.

DAVID: So you’re split on a certain topic?

MARK: Well, I could be driving down the road which can be a very monotonous thing, your mind is going a thousand miles a minute and you’re not fully paying attention to the thoughts in your head, so then you get that ringing in your ear and you just say, “Well, what was I really thinking about….?” So you give it some thought and get some insight into that conversation.

DAVID: Any significance if the ringing is from the right ear or the left ear?

KRIS: Not particularly. It might be the most expedient way to get your attention. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:37.

KRIS: Indeed. Normally we would request a break and return for some other lovely discussion, but this evening we would request that we end the evening, that we thank you all for your lovely consideration, and even though it is shorter than usual, you still have our deep gratitude for your consideration and may all of your references for the new year be the most fascinating you have ever had. And with that we return Joseph to you and return you to your lovely selves.

ALL: Thank you.

SESSION ENDS

The Sacred Gift of a Brand New Day

December 23, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 23, 2007
Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Anya, Theresa, Ellen, Brian, Lisa, Jerry, Nardine

(7:43 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your lovely consideration, for tonight’s consideration and for every other presentation you considered hearing from us. Now, Sohars, you said something very nice a few moments ago and we wish to pick it up as the theme for this evening.

JOHN: Lovely!

KRIS: See how important all of you are even when you think you are engaging in an everyday conversation. There might be something within that exchange that can indeed spark an acceleration within you, launching you into a different perspective. At this moment we wish you all to consider offering yourselves a great gift, not only a gift for this holiday season, but a gift every time you awaken.

Consider offering yourselves the greatest of all gifts. Indeed a very sacred one. It is said in some story or another that it took three wise men to bring gifts. We are simply suggesting that it only takes one person to offer this gift to yourselves and it is indeed the sacred gift of a new day. And of course it may take a small amount of time to practice this until you awaken and automatically allow your sacred gift of a new day to come front and center in your awareness. Such a gift can indeed motivate and inspire, it can fuel your thoughts and your energies and propel you into a different experience. And it is simply this, and it is likely that one cannot get any more simple than this, in the offering of oneself a new day.

When you awaken in traditional, conventional terms, your own subconscious processes attach or tie in all of the strengths of the various events and conditions of your life that you believe are very dear to you and in some ways, they are. They help create and generate the landscape of your personality structure. This action puts everything into context. All of your worries and nuances on those themes from things that may have occurred twenty years ago, from events that may have happened forty years ago, from the events of the last few weeks and days, projecting all of these in some way into your tomorrows and next weeks and next months and next year.

We are suggesting, then, that you offer yourself the sacred gift of a new day, not that it wipes out anything else; that will simply not occur. No matter of wishful thinking, but the sacred gift of a new day can situate you in a frame of mind in a state of awareness whereby you intentionally choose to have new experiences that uplift your spirits, so to speak, that bring new life and vitality into your experiences, that literally allows you to join in the dance of life, whether it is “achey-breaky” of life or whatever you wish to call it, allow yourself as much enjoyment, pleasure, joy, fun and love as you can possibly cram into this new day, a day that is of your creation, your intent, and your loving purpose.

Perhaps you might even enjoy printing out and strategically posting the print-outs here and there in your home that today you offer yourself the sacred gift of a new day, one that you create, one that you pursue and one that you expect filled with joy, love, pleasure, fulfillment, grace… and offer it to yourself. Even though you would traditionally meet some of the people you see every day or every so often or even every once in awhile and you think you know them, you think it is the same people.

Offer yourself instead the perspective that you may never have noticed that individual in quite that light, with quite that perspective before, that the situations that are to unfold before you on this sacred day have never been lived, experienced and felt quite like this before, that indeed every aspect and unfoldment of this new day is both a surprise and something that you expect; that the angles and perspectives and perceptions are as mysterious and enchanting as the dance of the atoms and electrons, even of the units of consciousness that fill and occupy all of time and space and every consideration thereof.

That consciousness itself flows through your entire being and is your entire being and engages in the sweet, loving dance of creation with itself and discovers new mysteries, new treasures at every turn, at every angle. That consciousness gives itself a loving look every time you gaze into another’s eyes, and loving experience through the encounters of innumerable individuals. And that this is your sandbox, your playground, that all of the gifts and the treasures uncovered during that day are there for your fulfillment, for your pleasure, for your joy, because you could not possibly create anything less. Once you launch that sweet intent, you allow yourself to choose that sweet intent, then go for the ride! That is our humble offering in this season of giving and sharing and we simply humbly suggest that in turn you offer it to your lovely selves.

(To Mark) If you would be so kind as to un-mute?

MARK: Lines are open.

KRIS: Thus if any of you have questions or inquiries on this or other matters, please feel free…. (Pause)…. So obviously you all perfectly understand the scope of what our humble suggestion is offering you?

JOHN: Well, yes, Kris, actually I do understand the full scope of it! — (Chuckling) — in as much as that’s possible! What I wanted to share quickly was an understanding that came to me as you were making that presentation. Really, when we offer ourselves a new day — and just to be clear, I’ve been doing this…. oh, golly, it must be… do you remember how long ago we were saying, “I choose to be happy today”? It had to have been over a year ago — well, I’ve got quite a long list that I choose in the morning, and here’s the thing: recently I read a fabulous little thing by Bashar saying that we create our entire past, never mind creating our future and our present; in every now we create our entire past as well!

And I love that idea in the sense that the new day for me can be to choose new influences from my past. Brian and I talked about this recently. So, for instance, rather than the influence of my past being that, oh, I’m 57 and my body is breaking down and I’ve got all kinds of issues and problems and relationships with official reality and disappointments and blah, blah, blah… I can choose an influence — not necessarily changing the past so much — but I can change an influence of the past on my present. I can say “The influence of my past is that I feel energized and healthy and creative and energetic and full of giving and joyful energy. That’s the influence of MY past!”

KRIS: Indeed, it is a fascinating territory to explore. There are many sides to that coin or issue as well. Of course there is always the uppermost or literal interpretation that would obviously be given to such a presentation, but (words dropped)… Do you follow?

JOHN: Uh-huh.

KRIS: However, there are always subtle layers that can assist you to break it down to the greater meanings and dimensions of such a statement. There are many individuals who would then deliberately try to eradicate their past as they have known it and by the same token may actually create an imbalance in their inner ego system, because even though some of life’s lessons — as many of you have experienced in growing up — some of those lessons may indeed have been difficult and challenging to come to terms with. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: Yet, the creation of that particular pathway also enabled you or anyone else to sustain a very specific education in the manner in which your perceptions can be molded, thus influencing the outcome and the point would be then, to not eradicate the past, because even some of those difficult lessons have brought you a great deal of education, but it is possible to transform the manner in which the influences of those situations are today directing some of your actions. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: And that still creates a lovely atmosphere because it enables you to retain the entire validity of your being and blossom into yet other stages of your own sensed growth and awareness.

JOHN: Very nice, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: I found those quotes for you, John, that I used on a daily basis that Kris gave us about a year ago. The first one is “I choose to make all of the events, circumstances of the day most advantageous to my lovely self” and the other one is “I choose to make a series of most fortunate events for the upcoming days, weeks, months and years.”

KRIS: If one must be aware, we did say “MOST fortunate” and not “MIS-fortunate.”

(Group laughter)

BRIAN: Exactly.

JOHN: Thank you, Brian.

BRIAN: Your welcome. And Kris, on that note, what happens if you do follow this and you put it into practice on a daily basis, and yet still you get little surprises — like myself in the last three days — which were like bolts from the blue which I didn’t expect and were actually negatives and I really don’t want to go into it with everybody on the line, but you know, I’m always very positive, very upbeat, and yet events still sometimes happen that just leave you saying “How on Earth did this happen?” and “I did not want this!”

KRIS: Indeed, and your inquiry is likely shared by most individuals in your world at one time or another, and sometimes all the time! Thus there is a great deal of validity in your observation and offering yourself a new day does not necessarily mean that you will now have a thorn-less bunch of roses. You may still find a thorn or two in the roses. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: Thus, how is one meant to deal and put in context those kinds of situations that may indeed appear rather thorny for that matter? And we did say “thorny.”

BRIAN: Yeah, ha ha! Not the one with the “H”!

(Group chuckling)

KRIS: A possible perspective then, is to immediately understand that though you may not consciously have chosen an unsettling experience — and obviously no one sits at the coffee table and draws out a map of today’s and tomorrow’s events and inserts several unsettling events, correct?

BRIAN: Oh, correct!

KRIS: However, there is a greater aspect of you, some call the subconscious or the unconscious, your inner Self, your subjective awareness and so on and so forth… This greater aspect of your being contains both the sets of thoughts and expectations and feeling-tones, etcetera, that you entertain at the conscious level and the ones you deny entertaining at the conscious level. They are the ones that you slip under the table, so to speak. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes it does.

KRIS: They may even be statements that you have pronounced about yourself, little pieces and parts of inner dialog concerning your lovely self that you may have at some point in time considered less than adequate and eventually the subconscious mind recognizes that you want these as part of your inventory for your next day or week or month because you have included it. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Actually, it does Kris, and I know where you’re going with this because underneath, you’re right. Thoughts and ideas, you do entertain at times on a negative bent and you put them away, thinking they’re never going to appear in physical reality and yet they do.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, are these there specifically to thwart you, to trip you up? No. These are also part of the paradigm of your existence and you may have thrown them on your own path to alert you to their origins, to alert you to specific moods and feeling-tones, frames of mind that you also entertain, but have not paid any attention to in a manner to bring them into alignment, so to speak, so you can continue experiencing your lovely journey. So the Inner Self sees that situation may indeed get out of hand and sends you these signals in the forms of events as well as simple feeling-tones to indicate to you that this part of your psyche is in need of attention. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: It totally makes sense.

KRIS: And the experience itself IS the communication, lock, stock and barrel — or in your case, kit and caboodle — including the very things you feel about the events and what you feel the events MAKE you feel. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes, and it’s okay to be angry too, yes, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed, otherwise you would also sweep that under your psychological carpet. The point of such an exercise then, is to bring these issues to your conscious mind so that you can square off, that you can settle the energies so that you can utilize them in a balanced and harmonious way. In fact, they are attempts by your Inner Self to do just that: to bring everything into balance and harmony. Thus, the true power is not in taking out the sword and cutting these situations into little pieces, but instead, of taking advantage of the momentum within that kind of an event or situation, recognizing it for what it is and using it to then return to a state of balance and harmony, not to fight it. That includes deeper levels of acceptance, deeper levels of acknowledging and addressing. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes, it does, and both of those events that just transpired in the last three days that created this, I also noticed that change is truly the inevitable part of life and I think these were changes obviously, but instead of resisting, I allowed it — I was still angry about both the events — but I realized that change is inevitable and it’s best not to fight it.

KRIS: You can actually accelerate the process, perhaps in the same way you would excise a boil. Now, in many individuals’ cases, just as your own, there is a varying degree of anger at the situation itself. If you allow a simple state of introspection, and a very honest one, you may indeed recognize that deep down, it is not the event itself at which you direct anger, but at yourself. Whether it is for putting yourself in that situation or any other reason, the anger is self-directed and as soon as you can recognize this simple point and perhaps even forgive and accept yourself in this way, defusing the charge as it were, you will find that this process itself is part of the overall return to balance and harmony. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes, and thank you so much, Kris. I appreciate that very much.

KRIS: Again, it all comes back to offering yourself a new day.

BRIAN: I like this. I like this theme.

KRIS: Are there other lovely inquiries? Surely there must be. You are all multidimensional… (Words drop out)

ANYA: I have a question, if I may.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANYA: Thank you. I’ve been thinking about the concepts or the metaphor maybe that is being used in the book “The Power of Now.” The metaphor that they use in what we would call negative emotions is the following: They describe it like it’s an entity that sleeps and then at some point wakes up and it needs more food, so it becomes more active and then it kind of like surfaces in our awareness to create some anger or other feelings and if we engage in response to this invitation so to say, then we kind of feed this entity and thus it never goes away.

So what I’ve been experimenting and it’s probably a different way of Triple ‘A’-ing, is basically…. and the solution that they’re offering is to stay in the now…. so basically when the emotion that Brian was referring to — or any of us would experience at any time during the day or week — surfaces and we just stay present with that, just really stay present, I’ve been experiencing this — like compared to NLP and hypnotherapy and a lot of different tools — it just seems like a very effortless and natural way of dealing with this.

And my perspective on it is also that it almost feels like the emotion, that entity, is more like…. not the unconscious in terms of the unconscious mind, but unconscious in terms of lack of consciousness, and then when we’re present, then there is a feeling of being totally conscious and aware and when you bring both of them, that emotion into that awareness, there is something happens that I don’t know how to explain, but it just seems that something happens there and transforms it if we stay and follow through with it long enough. It might be a few hours, sometimes it’s a couple of days, sometimes it’s longer. I was wondering if you could comment on that a little bit and just is there any layers there or some more understandings?

KRIS: There could be a variety of approaches in discussing what you are suggesting. The various modalities that you have also mentioned serve as other means to bring you into that present moment, to be present to yourself and your experience. And yes, sometimes such a mood may last for a few hours or even a few days. The usual tendency is to want to run away, correct?

ANYA: Run away or fight, or get really more angry.

KRIS: Indeed, because it may represent a certain kind of uncomfortable-ness, especially if the state itself brings about a realization of one’s acquired truths and requires then, that one focus in truth: in THEIR truth. Do you follow?

ANYA: Focus in truth….? Just that last [statement], one more time please?

KRIS: That you are, in a manner of speaking, obliging yourself to stay in your truth.

ANYA: Right, right.

KRIS: Another lovely example is the body’s own wonderful immune system. It is actually a marvel in itself that it keeps you poised and balanced for the better part of life, until you begin to muck with it. As it is, when there are situations that are more or less infecting the self at the psychological level, unresolved issues of some kind, it may be manifested in the body as a fever. Do you follow so far?

ANYA: Yes I do.

KRIS: So your immune system begins to feel the impact of those influences at the psychic or psychological level. So you have a fever, which is a sign of an infection in the body and the fever, the temperature rises as the fever attempts to regain that balance in the body, so that the so-called infecting organism is held in check as far as the body’s own immune system is concerned, do you follow?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: And it is important that one take awareness of those processes when they are engaged as opposed to wanting to very quickly, as quickly as possible, eliminate all the uncomfortable-ness of the symptom, thereby suppressing the situation in itself, so that you are not faced with the challenge. And interfering with those processes can, in physical terms, make you even more ill, correct?

ANYA: Right.

KRIS: Because you are not allowing the body to find its own innate sense of balance and harmony. Similarly, at the psychological level, you also have an entire gambit of systems that seek to always maintain a certain kind of equilibrium according with your intent and otherwise. And when you throw those systems off balance, when you are out of sync with your own lovely intent, you experience the effects of those particular kinds of influences. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: So by staying in the moment, in the now as it is, by being present and aware of all the subtleties and nuances of the inner storms, you can gain an incredible amount of perspective on your situation, processing all of these issues, finding your way out of your moment of darkness as it were, for in that particular kind of darkness, you find your way to your light, as it were. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Yes.

BRIAN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: And no one can necessarily do that for you, though lovely offerings of energy and assistance can be given. You will utilize the energies as befits your own intent and the direction of your journey will follow that intent. It is not so much pulled as it is being pushed, as it were, through the power of your intent. So always make it a point to notice, pay attention to what is occurring in your moment. That is where you will find the greatest ease of living, the greatest amount of joy and peace, is within that moment. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Yes. Would it be fair to say that Now gives you a change of perspective and the change of perspective basically quote unquote “heals” the issue?

KRIS: The now is forever eternal. It is the kind of vantage point that offers the possibilities of seeing into eternity. And once you see into eternity, into infinity, the small issues that you quibbled about suddenly may be put into perspective. If you are at the foot of the mountain, then indeed the mountain appears immense, almost insurmountable, does it not? Yet, if you find yourself at the top of the mountain, looking about 360 degrees, you get a very different perspective. Though you may still respect that the mountain is enormous, it is no longer insurmountable. Does that answer your inquiry?

ANYA: Yes, thank you very much.

KRIS: Any other inquiries? Please feel free. There are many of you who are quiet. Perhaps Herakleides (Nardine) can say something? You are not known to be overly quiet.

NARDINE: I’m sitting here with a smile on my face from ear to ear, feeling so blessed and so gifted and embracing of all the joy of every new day and every now moment, and my heart is just bursting with love.

JOHN: [Whispering] I don’t think that there is anything that we can do for her.

(Group chuckling)

KRIS: (Humorously) You might be beyond reconciliation!…. In the most lovely way possible.

NARDINE: And I will still acknowledge in this moment, my body is embracing anxiety because I’m speaking up, I’m speaking out and I recognize within all of the blessedness of me, (Tearfully) I still have hurts that need healing, but I trust the pain, and I trust the love and I trust the process and I feel very honored to share this all with you.

KRIS: Indeed. Part of, if not the major part of this presentation this evening, has been directed at you. You may even have felt that we were speaking specifically to you, correct?

NARDINE: Quite!

KRIS: And it is our humble selves that are humbled by your openness and may you realize that though the heart may contain hurts and pains, it is only because the heart is the only place that can transmute and transform that energy, just as fire transforms mercury to gold, as the old alchemists would do. Do you follow?

NARDINE: I do. I do, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you! …. I have to mute myself and blow my nose!

(Laughter)

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?… (Pause)… Perhaps there is no one else on the line?

JOHN: Well, if nobody else has anything, I’ll ask a question. This is just slightly off topic, Kris. I want to talk about the lizard people.

MARK: (Humorously) SLIGHTLY off topic!?

(Group laughter)

KRIS: Indeed, this could be a very scaly matter!

JOHN: Okay! Here’s the question. As I roam around the internet and explore the ideas being expressed by your fellow dead people, if I may say it in that way, I would say that there is a preponderance of opinion that says that human beings — the Orodin, let’s call them — have been taken advantage of during what we call our experiment that there are other races of beings who have been taking advantage, energetic advantage of the sort of sinkhole that we have gotten ourselves into and that part of the Shift is us coming out of that. Now is that entirely hogwash?

KRIS: Let us make a humble attempt to shed some skin on this issue.

(Laughter)

Now, there are many individuals in the world who may indeed feel in some way ensnared, entrapped in their worldview. They may indeed be experiencing all of the powers that come with the belief systems of duplicity and religion and so on and so forth. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: And they may even be unable to completely reconcile many different aspects of their belief systems and aspects of their own personality. Perhaps some such individuals might have very limited views on the extraordinary potencies and possibilities inherent within your multidimensional personality structure, accustomed as they might be to very narrow views of right and wrong, black and white, good and evil as it were. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yep, and who they are and what the potential is.

KRIS: And feeling perhaps ineffective or small as it were, perhaps even experiencing a certain kind of depiction of an inferiority complex. They would then naturally gravitate towards belief systems — (Firmly) and they are all acquired! They are not truths. They are all acquired truths. Do you remember the differences?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: (Continuing) In such that there are forces in the universe that may be out to get them as they would feel themselves to be aligned with the force of good. Thus it would follow that those who are aligned with forces of good are pursued and perhaps even hunted by those who are of an opposite force. Does that make sense in that kind of a scenario?

JOHN: I can see that, sure.

KRIS: So it is necessary to have all those components to create a certain dramatization and create a certain kind of importance about their lives. It is all based on beliefs that are entirely acquired and distortions of the same. Thus it generates and even injects a certain large amount of importance in their lives: They know things.

The Orodin simply cannot be taken advantage of. You are the Orodin. No one can do anything to you [that] you do not wish to have done to you, especially when it comes to pleasures.

JOHN: Well that’s a broad field… (Laughing)

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, only within certain contexts do certain of these philosophies offer a kind of pseudo-validity. Other than that, there are unfortunately no lizard queens…. though you might see an occasional lizard boy or child. There are no lizard queens.

JOHN: All right.

KRIS: The “Inquirer” would know, you know! Though we make some kind of jest out of this, it is important to recognize that for those who hold onto these beliefs, it is no different than those who are fully convinced within their religious context, that there is a Satan and that he sits in the White House!

(Laughter)

Some have even claimed that they can smell the sulphur!

JOHN: Okay, well thank you very much.

KRIS: Simply to say that even though some situations may appear questionable and even dark, you are always in control of your creations. There are no secret underground people or facsimiles thereof that control the population with mind devices. You do enough of that on your own.

JOHN: Okay, well, thank you. Honestly, I’m a tiny bit disappointed because I kind of liked the idea of the lizard people but I’m willing to put them into the same category as Satan and all those other wonderful –

KRIS: Indeed there are all kinds of supposed aliens that are plotting with the governments to achieve world domination; there are secret societies and all kinds of such organizations plotting against humankind… and yet these are all pathways to express the shadow side of humankind. That or those issues, individuals, singularly or collectively, are presently unwilling to deal with at this point in time and this may even bring in your historical collective as well, the history of your past [and] the wounds that you have collectively endured in that manner of speaking.

MARK: It’s interesting, too, that these individuals often who are playing the ultimate victim-hood from these enemies and these oppressors, also acknowledge that there are depositories of goodness. Hidden treasures.

KRIS: Because they would indeed strongly aspire that the iniquities that they feel in the world can be balanced out by such pockets of goodness. Unfortunately they are looking in the wrong place. And as soon as the human race recognizes that the human heart is not a repository for iniquities, then your own original state of goodness may indeed see the light of day. You were, none of you, born with flaws. None of you are tainted with some kind of original sin, even though the major religions of the world will testify to it. They will only do so as long as you continue believing that this is so.

JOHN: And making omissions.

KRIS: Indeed! Thus, why not, if you are to deal with belief systems of religion, then instill a religion that sets as its prime codicil that the human heart is filled with grace and loveliness!

MARK: Amen!

KRIS: Where is such a religion? You do not have one.

JOHN: We’re working on it.

KRIS: Indeed.

NARDINE: We’ll make one up.

KRIS: Slowly but surely… What is the time?

MARK: 8:43.

KRIS: Then perhaps you can all enjoy a lovely and gracious break.

ANYA: I have a question for you guys. I really need a piece of advice and I just want a conscious perspective on something.

MARK: Go ahead.

ANYA: Okay, it’s about a Christmas gift. My son wants a computer thing for Christmas, like an X-Box and we’re already kind of like in disagreement over how much time he spends playing computer games which are all about killing and I don’t know what to do. Of course, I love him to pieces. I want him to be happy… It’s Christmas, it’s Santa Claus, you know, like everything goes and at the same time, as a loving parent, I don’t want to support that kind of an energy. And here I have only 24 hours before I need to go and do something and I just can’t come to an agreement with myself, what to do.

BRIAN: How old is he, Anya?

ANYA: He’s seventeen. He’s going to be turning eighteen in about three months.

BRIAN: Have you asked him why he likes the death and destruction aspect of it, and the killing?

ANYA: Well, he’s a number 5 in a sense [in the Enneagram personality profile]. He knows what he wants to do in life, which is really music, Brian. He has his drums, but after his stroke, he went through a huge trauma and he’s in denial. He goes into computer games because it allows him an escape. This is my story on it.

BRIAN: Right, so he has some inner anger that he’s taking out and the game is about killing?

ANYA: Right. He’s lost some of the life in him and the assurance in himself and he’s just going into denial by trying not to think about things he needs to think about.

BRIAN: Those years are tough. The late teenage years. Trust me. Been there. We’ve all been there. You know you’re going to be thrust into the world… college [and] then you have to go make a living. The safety net is gone.

MARK: Maybe it’s better to take it out in a video game though, than in real life.

BRIAN: I was just thinking of the old Columbine aspect of it, too. Maybe it is better that he [works frustrations out] through a mechanized way, rather than going into a mall and killing people.

JOHN: Anya, my take on it is that by buying this thing for your son, you’re not supporting the killing energy, you’re supporting your son’s joyful fun energy and what he wants to do with that is up to him.

ANYA: So I just basically support and allow him to create his own reality, right? This stress… that’s his way of dealing with things right now and that’s the optimal way for him right now…

JOHN: Yeah, he’s got as much guidance as you do and the point is — joy, happiness, shared pleasure. If you can give him that, then what he does with it is up to him.

BRIAN: I’ve got one for you Anya: sit down with him and actually play the game with him. Get enthusiastic about the killing and have him have this look on his face like, “MOM?! What are you doin’!?? You’re playing? Who’re you killing, Mom!?” (Group laughter) Play with him and see where his head’s at.

THERESA: There are other games that aren’t so violent for X-Box and Playstation. Maybe you could make a deal with him that you’ll buy him the machine and you’ll buy him some of the games that he wants, but you’ll also –

ANYA: (Breaking in) Well, one of the games that he does want is actually the music game, the Guitar Hero, so he kind of like will support you in his music.

THERESA: Good! So that’s not so bad.

ANYA: I was thinking maybe just giving him a check and saying that if he thinks this is the best investment of his Christmas money, then he can go and buy it and just let him make the decision and just say, “Well, I support you… this is what I’m thinking, but it’s your decision,” and in this case I think he will be more responsible for the decision that he’s making?”

MARK: Very true.

BRIAN: Ellen, you have three kids. Any advice?

ELLEN: As a matter of fact, I’ve been on mute and Kalila was half listening to this in the other room. ALL my kids have been playing video games for a long time, but Kalila especially has been into them. She’s always liked the “fighting” games where two opponents fight each other, which I always thought was kind of a “guy” thing! (Chuckling) But she’s always enjoyed it. (Turning to my daughter as she walks into the room) Kalila, what’s that one you played a lot, where you stalk people….?

KALILA: Oh, Resident Evil?

ELLEN: Yeah, she loves Resident Evil.

BRIAN: That’s a good game! Area 51 is a good game, too!

ELLEN: Yeah, and they ARE violent, but, well…. (Laughing) Brian, you can attest to how peaceful my children are!

BRIAN: You know what though, Anya, there’s really nothing wrong with playing these games. It doesn’t mean you’re going to go out and obliterate the world. They are games and they’re an outlet.

ELLEN: Yeah, I agree, it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to go out and become a serial killer.

BRIAN: Yeah, it doesn’t mean he’s going to take his violence out. We’re fed a lot of this by the mass media.

MARK: You know, Anya, that Guitar Hero is pretty amazing stuff.

BRIAN: (Humorously) Hey, thank you, Mark, for the compliment. I think of myself as a hero, too! (Group cracks up) My narcissism is showing through again!

JERRY: Anya, the bottom line is that you gave seventeen years to this kid [teaching him] right and wrong and sometimes you just have to let it go and the bottom line is it’s just a game.

ELLEN: A lot of times if you put more of a charge to it, you know, by agonizing and being so concerned about it all the time, that just…. Well, the kids don’t even think about it that way, they know its animation on the screen. They know those body parts flying around, whatever, that it’s just a cartoon, an animated –

MARK: (Taking note of Kris’ reappearance) He’s back!

JERRY: Yeah, Anya, I agree you should sit down and play some of these games. Lisa and I played Duke Nuke ‘em when we first got our computers and that was blowing up monsters and aliens with blood and guts and thermal bombs and it was kind of fun!

ANYA: Okay, you guys, thank you very much. I think I got it.

KRIS: Indeed there is another aspect to consider for yourself in that particular pursuit. It is quite possible that at some level if you wish, you might be fearful that purchasing these kinds of games means that you are condoning those kinds of situations in the world. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Right, uh-huh.

KRIS: And yet, the game itself can be utilized to develop other kinds of skills and there are other games that can be also supplemented to enrich his life through the honing of other skills through the playing of those games. The more fuss that is made, the worse the situation appears and the more challenge to your authority there will be. Does that make sense?

ANYA: It does, especially the fact that I’m not in alignment with whatever decision I’m making right now. It will come back.

KRIS: If you were to do an on-the-spot muscle testing on the idea that after all, it is just a game and you can choose to be accepting of the idea that it is merely a game and it does not necessarily represent what it plays out, what do you find?

ANYA: I get strong for giving him the game because it really preserves the trust and the integrity of the relationship.

KRIS: And how do you feel about that?

ANYA: I feel great. I feel I’ve just been reflecting my own insecurities into him and so I just need to deal with my stuff instead of pushing it over his way.

KRIS: And now the real magic is in actually finding one of those boxes!

(Group laughter.)

ELLEN: Just don’t try to find the Wii, Anya, ’cause you won’t find it!

ANYA: Oh, god.

KRIS: So again, offer yourself a magical perspective on that. Now are there other inquiries?

MARK: I have a quick question regarding “belonging to” and “aligning with” [families of consciousness]. In some circles people say you should be focusing on the family that you are belonging to and other circles say you should be focusing on what you are aligning with. But as a focus personality, which should I be doing?

KRIS: Have a beer!

(Group laughter)

BRIAN: Great answer, Kris! I’ll join you on that one!

KRIS: If you are a businessman and a father, what are you, according to some, going to be focusing upon?

MARK: Obviously the task at hand. If I’m at work, it’s work.

KRIS: And even while at work, you can still be a father if need be, and if you are at home while attending to your fatherly business, you might still occasionally have to deal with the other business issues.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: So there is not necessarily a right way or wrong way to be. Simply be whatever way you want to be.

MARK: Okay, that’s sort of how I’ve been living my life, anyway! Thank you.

KRIS: Any other inquiries?

LISA: I have a question that I’m not sure if I can formulate very well, but when it comes to other cultures and other societies, we all view them with our own beliefs, our own worldviews….

KRIS: Indeed, these are viewed as prejudiced perceptions.

LISA: Yes, and I’m aware that though I was born in a country that is not a western country, I was raised in a western way of thinking and I noticed that a lot of the studies that we do in the western world on other cultures has the view that, [for example] the indigenous people in Brazil would probably not describe themselves in the way that we are describing themselves and teaching to our children, and I was wondering if it was possible to find a way to switch over so that you could try and see and kind of explain to yourself how they are seeing the world… that’s kind of the question. How are we able to do that?

KRIS: If, for example, you are an orange and you grow on an orange tree, but that orange tree happens to be in an apple orchard, you might tend to consider yourself as an orangey-appley kind of fellow, would you? And if an apple tree grew in an orange orchard, the reverse would also be true, and yet, as an orange in an apple orchard, you could still notice that there is a kind of difference between yourself and your fellow fruits. You might try to understand that difference and of course, the apples might also try to understand the difference, their differences.

However, the differences themselves are far more in terms of appearances, because altogether, you would have grown in an apple orchard and you might even consider yourself as an orangey-appley kind of fellow, and it makes no big impact on either one, though there might still be some interesting discoveries to be made from each side of the peel, as it were. Overall, both the differences and the similarities might make one of the best fruit salads ever. And in that context, the differences are truly enjoyable. Does that make a little bit of sense to you?

LISA: (Giggling) Yes.

KRIS: All that to say, that yes, there are different perspectives on many things and one nation may think that their perspective on others is the correct perspective, and others may think their perspectives on the others is correct, and from their point of view, yes, that is so, but only within the context of those perspectives. But in a larger context that embraces both, those kinds of differences and even similarities may actually be only skin-deep. Does that make sense?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: And of course, South American or Brazilian indigenous people might object to the way others view them, but at the same time, they know that they are not how others view them, they are different and that stems from your own truth. Do you follow?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Thus we offer you the opportunity to look at your own truth and see that regardless of which tree you grew up on and which orchard that tree was in. Ultimately the fruits of your actions are truly what matters. Now isn’t that very nice and fruity?

(Laughter)

You could even say “fruit of the loom-y”! Now then if there are no other inquiries, we will return you to your lovely selves and thank you again for your profound consideration. May the best of the holiday season be given to you tenfold and may your intent offer you tenfold more.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

[Session ends at 9:05]

Detailed Roll Call:
Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip) and John (Sohars)
Utah: Anya (Greensleeves)
Nova Scotia: Theresa (Ramanuja)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)
Pennsylvania: Brian (El-Don)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar) and Jerry
Australia: Nardine (Herakleides)

Kris Radio: Genuine Geniuses

December 20, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 20, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on Thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I will be your co-host this evening along with…

JOHN: And I’m your other co-host, Mark, thank you very much. This is Thursday night and it’s Kris Radio here in Toronto! It’s very close to Christmas!

MARK: Very close.

JOHN: And you know, you can feel a certain sort of Kringly kind of cheeriness in the… in the crowds, I think… yeah things are looking pretty good here.

MARK: As they’re pushing by you to get to that the latest toy.

(Laughter)

JOHN: So… and of course we have our friend Serge.

SERGE: Thank you John and Mark, and it’s nice to be here. And yes, it is quite something to be in Eden center at around 6:00 with the huge crowds of… sometimes there are more bags walking around on people (laughter) there are people walking around with bags!

MARK: So…

SERGE: And now we need to mention too that Hugh is going to be leaving shortly to be replaced by Blu and then by Red and then by White, I don’t know!

(Laughter)

SERGE: But so, for the people on Skype there may be a little bit of a delay or… just take I guess into account that Blu may not be completely up to par…

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: …may need to catch up a little bit on what’s happening and so you know, just be aware.

MARK: So we’re not having Matt and Nicole?

SERGE: I have no idea. I guess Matt and Nicole aren’t on, Hugh?

HUGH: We’re still having problems with the Skype. We’re hoping to get it fixed over the holidays.

SERGE: Okay.

HUGH: And so hopefully back in January.

SERGE: Inject it with Christmas cheer.

HUGH: Yeah, exactly… or something.

SERGE: Also want to mention that on Labor Day weekend when Mark and I and Robert and Eddie went down to Ottawa to spend a weekend with Matt and Nicole at the bed and breakfast that they were renting, Kris gave three talks, well actually there was four presentations, one of them didn’t pan out, the recording did not take but the other three are in a package on our website. It’s about reincarnation, past lives, focuses, there’s a lot of very deep inductions in there and it’s on our products page and it’s… you can’t miss it. It’s under the title of “Reincarnation”. It’s a zipped file with three almost hour-long presentations by Kris.

The price is $29.99 Canadian and it’s automatic download as well, and those are very, very interesting. The room we were in to do them, the acoustics were fantastic because we were in the pool room, a huge pool room and the sound was just phenomenal! And there was a particular spot we found, at one corner, where if Kris spoke out towards the pool, his already resounding voice would bounce off the water and the walls and create a very nice effect which was just enhanced whenever we did the meditations or the inductions. It’s quite nice and the whole place was just beautiful.

I woke up on the Saturday morning, looked out the backyard window and there were two fawns on the back yard and I couldn’t get the camera. (Laughing) First of all I realized there’s no batteries in the camera, I couldn’t take them and I tried to break open a new pack of batteries. By the time I managed to do all that the fawns were gone so I decided, what the heck, go take a shower. When I came back, there were six wild turkeys that I did get on camera.

JOHN: Oh good!

SERGE: I have that video. (Chuckling) So anyways, those videos… or sorry, the audio files, it’s under “Reincarnation” on our products page are available for download now.

MARK: I have to say, that these were a pretty impressive three sessions.

SERGE: Yeah.

MARK: All four were incredible. It’s unfortunate the one was lost due to the microphone but they were four really incredible sessions and the one that was lost, I’m glad. If one had to be lost, it was that one because that was just chatting more so, where the other three had the meditations and Kris took us quite deep… that was pretty spectacular.

SERGE: In fact I think Nicole was in a way experiencing a little bit of a frustration because she wanted to kind of focus in and then as soon as he would begin the induction she would go in so deep, she would lose track of everything. (Chuckling)

MARK: We should also announce that this is the last radio show of the year.

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: We are not on the air next week. There will be a repeat show. We’re going to take a break for the holidays, in fact it think the whole radio station is taking a break for the holidays and…

JOHN: Lovely!

MARK: …we will see you in January.

SERGE: Yup! And a whole new… we’ll see you next year.

JOHN: In 2008!

SERGE: Yup!

MARK: Let’s see here… “Creative Juices.”

JOHN: Yes, unleashing your or whatever the… we’re gonna call it, unleashing…

(Laughter)

JOHN: …something about your…

SERGE: Something juicy.

JOHN: Something juicy… yeah.

(Laughter)

SERGE: So I want to take the opportunity to thank Hugh and Randy at Thatradio for having given us a wonderful opportunity to share Kris with all of you out there. There’s tons of people all over the world, the main ones you know, we’re aware of is Anya and Tom in New Jersey, there’s Tom in Hawaii, there’s Emmy, there’s Ellen, there’s Alan, there’s Ella, there’s so many people…

JOHN: Samantha.

SERGE: Samantha, Bill, so many people, it’s hard to keep track of anymore.

JOHN: Myrna listens.

SERGE: Yeah.

JOHN: There are a lot of people who listen to the radio show.

SERGE: Yeah, even many who also download it afterwards and listen to it that way, but it’s just phenomenal and I think that 2008 will just keep getting better and better.

MARK: I agree… and while we’re…

JOHN: As a matter of fact, I just had a thought, forgive me Mark, but you know it just occurs to me that listening to two or three radio shows might be a very painless way for someone to get to know Kris. Like let’s say you’ve got somebody who… somebody… a friend of them says “Oh you gotta hear, you gotta find, Kris is amazing, you gotta find out about Kris.”

Well you know, you go to the website and there’s hundreds of transcripts there but where do you start? I think the radio show… we should probably find just a small six-pack of radio shows that we think would be…

SERGE: Maybe what we can do is ask the people that listen to the radio show regularly, which show was…

JOHN: What the good ones are.

SERGE: …to them and maybe there’s a common… common ones that end up being on a…

JOHN: Hit list.

SERGE: …rise to the top and we can package those, and here’s a… you know, kind of a nice intro.

JOHN: Yeah, because it’s effortless. I mean, a lot of people… you know, like for instance Myrna, I know, just puts the computer on, starts the audio file and goes and lays the couch you know…

MARK: Sweet.
(Chuckling)

JOHN: …and most of the time falls asleep, which is the downside, but anyway. So it’s a very easy, painless, fun way to get to know Kris. Okay, and in addition to that, let me think, what did we talk about last week? We talked about… Kris gave us…

MARK: “The Gift of Awareness.”

JOHN: “The Gift of Awareness,” yes, we’re to… he described in some detail how we can give ourselves the gift of awareness for the holiday season and maybe sidestep some of the usual difficulties that some people have, that I sometimes have.

MARK: Well, as many people often get sick during the holidays or shortly afterwards due to some of the stresses involved over the holiday period and he gave us some good insight into that and some good tools to prevent those stresses and how to deal with them and work through them.

JOHN: Now you know it’s funny, because when I was going to school and I was a kid in like junior school and high school, I always… I got to be our real pattern for me… I would be sick in the first week of January every year like clockwork, and I always put it down to actually a kind of cleverness on my part because…

(Laughter)

JOHN: …I basically extended the Christmas holidays by a week and you know, you don’t learn anything in the first week of January anyway.

MARK: Yeah, definitely not.

SERGE: I guess even as teenagers everyone’s still digesting the Christmas turkey.

JOHN: Exactly.

MARK: I do want to… that’s what I wanted to talk about when you jumped in there. I forgot, is that changes to the… UPCOMING changes to our website. We’ve been working on the website with Robert and bringing some upgrades into our software and we’re looking at how transcripts are put online. Right now they’re very time consuming and take hours and what I’m probably going to do is make them downloadable just so you click on them and zoom – you have them. And it saves me a lot of time. I can get them up a lot faster.

JOHN: Oh!

MARK: The other thing that I’m working on is the audio files… is I get so many requests for audio files and what we’re going to start doing in the new year is put unedited, raw audio files online…

SERGE: Like a library like a library there?

MARK: …Like a library, starting with current ones. It’s going to… they’re downloadable, it’s going to cost a couple dollars, probably like $2.99 or something and you can click on the shopping cart and download the raw audio files. A lot of people don’t want to read the transcript. They want to listen. They want to hear the inflections. So they’re not going to be perfect. Serge and I are not sound engineers and we’re going to spend little or no time processing them, but for those that want it, it’ll be there.

JOHN: Sure!

MARK: And some recordings may fail and not be able to put them up but… and we’re going to start with the current ones and go forward, I don’t know about going backwards, whether we have the time or whatever, but we will try.

JOHN: Great idea!

MARK: But I think that’s moving forward, and it’s going to be helpful to a lot of people.

JOHN: Yeah, because you know, my feeling is that you know, when we’re rich and famous we can hire somebody to clean up the audio files and make them all pretty and nice…

MARK: Exactly!

JOHN: …but for the time being, people are interested in the material!

MARK: Yup! Definitely.

JOHN: And the quality of the audio files is, I feel is uniformly excellent!

MARK: We try! We make a concerted effort, but occasionally something goes wrong, the batteries die, we drop the mike, (laughing) I even dropped it into a cup of coffee once.

(Laughter)

JOHN: That couldn’t have been easy.

MARK: Okay, so jumping back to last session, we did the gift of awareness with talked about stresses over the holidays and how to alleviate those stresses, we talked about beliefs and the nature of beliefs, that beliefs are nothing more than, a little more than just ideas that you’re…

JOHN: Invested in!

MARK: …that you invest in and that investment is what makes reality, that energy into those ideas.

JOHN: In a way it’s like a great big stock market.

MARK: Yeah!

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed your very Christmas-y consideration. Indeed you invest a great deal of energy in all kinds of ideas. And contrary to popular misconceptions, you invest far more energy in the construction of ideas then become the matrix of your behavior that is your lovely beliefs. And there is already a great deal of myth concerning your beliefs.

One of those myth is that somehow rather, if you have a belief, you must excise it or exorcise it from yourself as quickly as possible before it causes any more damage. It is often as if the beliefs have become the modern gremlins, the modern little devils and you must hunt them down and shoot them, for one reason or another. That somehow rather, any belief is almost anti-life, and we are certain that many of you have recognized this either in yourself or in others. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely.

MARK: Oh yeah.

JOHN: I used to believe that but I got that cut out.

KRIS: Indeed and the truth of the matter is, without beliefs you would not be here. The point is, what kind of beliefs you invest in and what you make of those investments. And furthermore, beliefs are highly creative ventures. Just as you do not invest in stock market willy-nilly, left, right and center, anywhere and everywhere, just for the sake of appearing to make investments. You have a certain kind of structure when you invest in the stock market. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Sure, you invest where you think you’re gonna appreciate your value.

KRIS: Indeed and under normal circumstances you consult with an investor.

JOHN: Yes, an investment advisor.

KRIS: Indeed, someone who can guide you into what would be most beneficial for your investment and what brings the greatest return. And in a similar manner, you do the same at the subjective or subconscious level. You very carefully, invest your energies in such a fashion that it brings… how do say now… the biggest bang for the buck as it were. Otherwise what is the worth of investing any of your energies? In any idea? If it is not going to bring about the best for you? Regardless of what that outcome may be.

So all of this to point out that there is an incredible structuring to the manner in which you lay this out at the subjective or subconscious levels. It is very carefully thought out, so much so that this architecture of beliefs is organized in a manner that allows related ideas or investments to also join in the portfolio as it were. So that you have some substance to your investment, so that it has more clout as it were. So like ideas join together and exercise a stronger influence. And the more practiced you become at this, then the stronger the portfolio. And stronger the portfolio, the more momentum it has to bring about certain manifest personal reality. Does this make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, sure.

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: It is not as if you have baskets here and there in your subconscious mind and periodically you throw in some kind of ideas or beliefs here and there, and then later on in life you find out that beliefs are somehow in need of getting rid of. So you carefully invest your energies in them, you back up your investment as well. In other words, when those beliefs become manifest in physical reality, and you perceive those confirmations of what you believe, then it reinforces the investment as it were, letting you know that yes, your beliefs are working perfectly, exactly as you intended.

Now it is another matter altogether whether you actually like the outcome or not. And in fact initially, the outcomes may prove beneficial for your current situation. However, since most individuals are not necessarily learned in belief architecture, usually the initial investment, these ideas and energies can even be forgotten. But the programming, the manifesting and the outcome still continue. In other words, the program still gives you what it originally gave you and you may have forgotten where you began the story after all.

Just as many people are wont to forget they had invested in the telephone company or IBM or other places, only to realize later they are still getting some payback. But it may be at a point in your life where that particular outcome, the manifestation of those original investments and the outcomes no longer fit in with your own expanding worldview, with your own expanding awareness, and you recognize this as some kind of blockage, an impediment somewhere that keeps you from moving forward as it were, not realizing that your initial ideas and investments in those ideas are still running in the background and they still exert an influence. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it sure does. As a matter of fact I could offer a very quick example of that.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: My… what I talked about earlier about how as a kid I enjoyed getting sick every January. And so I programmed myself to get sick in January! Now, as a 57 year old guy who’s not going to school anymore and wants to have a happy life, getting sick in January is not part of my agenda but the programming may still be there!

KRIS: Indeed. Initially then, you derived some gain or some benefit. Many people at this very time of year feel over-burdened, overwhelmed by all of the comings and goings of the season and feel obligated to say “yes” when they mean “no.” Feel obligated to say “no” when they truly want to say “yes” and a happy blend of the two, and feel pulled from every direction, and what do they do, they shutdown. They conveniently get a cold or the flu or some other malaise that keeps them from having to partake of the event they did not want to go to in the first place, but could not say “no.”

So physically, they responded by being unable to attend. Now if such is the case and you apply a healthy dose of triple A, just as the doctor recommended, perhaps even with a gentle helping of chicken soup, you might have a completely different outcome, avoid getting sick from the buildup of your own stresses and perhaps find a genuine way to gently and politely decline that which you do not want to attend, and attend that which you want to participate in, bringing a balance to your own existence without the undue struggles and stresses and eventual sickness from it. And that the same time, you might garner a great deal of insight in how you work out all of these architecturing of your beliefs without having to take the sick-man way out. Do you follow?

(Mark confirms)

JOHN: Yes. What’s interesting to me Kris, is that the end result, the bottom line, the outcome is that we reduce our stress, but the one way we reduce it by being sick for a week and feeling miserable, and the other way, we reduce it by Triple ‘A’ing and doing what we want and not doing what we don’t want. I don’t know about you, but it seems like a simple easy choice there.

KRIS: Indeed! We believe it could be a win-win-win situation.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: All this to say that, that human beings are genuinely geniuses at coordinating these belief structures and the architecturing involved is indeed phenomenal, especially when you consider that very often, you simply then deny to yourself what you have just done.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Or you make it so that others are blamed for your situation. The others made you do that. So not only do you then fall prey to those kinds of beliefs but also instigate an activity and a subscription to, or even membership into victim-hood. These all play very well together. We are certain any number of you have seen commercials or drawings or pictures of all of the cogs and sprockets in a wristwatch.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: That the tiniest wheel is synchronized to function in tandem with the biggest wheel and everything in between, every tick matches the tock. And the architecture of your beliefs is very much similar to that in a fashion, everything working in perfect unison to bring about the reality that you have designed, that you have engineered according to the demands of your inner architecture.

And this is important because there are various stages. There are at least four stages involved in the resolution of your beliefs. And it must also be pointed out that for the most part, the average individual focuses strictly, specifically and exclusively upon those beliefs that mat be an impediment to the enjoyment of life and the fulfillment of that life.

By the same token, if you were to focus upon those other sets of beliefs that you hold, that you subscribe and continue to nourish, that propel you into life’s great adventure with all of the joys and the qualities, with all of the creativity involved, you would certainly, again have a completely different perception. So it is not that all beliefs are gremlins because one belief may be outdated, expiration date past, therefore all beliefs must be the same. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yeah sure.

MARK: Definitely.

KRIS: So it is to your advantage to become doubly aware, might even.. we suggest that you again, inject a healthy dose of triple A, of “ask why” and other modalities we have presented, expand your awareness, especially expand the awareness of your inventory of all of the beliefs that you subscribe to, whether their outcome is no longer practical for you or not is besides the point. By becoming aware of the beliefs, you can then very nicely neutralize those beliefs that are no longer functioning for you now, and at the same time, shore up, enhance those other sets of beliefs that keep you whole and sane, that keep you well, thus bringing a sense of balance to your existence and an incredible comprehension into your own inner workings, the mechanisms, the architecture of your beliefs.

Thus in so many words, all human beings are geniuses in that way. This is an opportunity to create an entry point into next year’s subject matter and theme. By recognizing your present genius in this ability to create an incredible psychological architecture of beliefs, you can also begin to isolate as suggested, those believes that are no longer functioning to your advantage, the outcomes of which you would want to change. As well as focusing upon those other sets of beliefs that shore up, enhance your creativity, your genius, your wellness and your joy of life.

MARK: This whole conversation is a huge synchronicity for me.

JOHN: Oh good!

MARK: Just today. TODAY. This morning, I was thinking back to when I first met Joseph, Serge and I was in a very dark place, very depressed and I had my issues and my problems and I was focusing on that a little bit today and I caught myself, I started thinking about it. And I realized that that person that I was is not whom and what I am, as is the person that I am now, but that conversation in my mind developed into the fact that I had temporary behavioral subroutines that I was utilizing and was able to change and rewrite the code, change my happiness from that stage to what stage I’m at now.

KRIS: Indeed, Mister Data.

(Laughter)

MARK: It was funny cause I do have my… I am a science-fiction fan but it’s very interesting, and a huge sync that we’re even using these analogies in this conversation.

KRIS: So indeed it is to your advantage to have recognized this because you are likely to discuss with others on this very subject matter, and such insights can trigger other people’s own insightful nature. Just as changing the spark plug in your carburetor or whatever you call it nowadays, can increase the proper functioning of the engine. Thus when the spark plugs become dull, they no longer fire properly. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Sure.

MARK: Absolutely and obviously if your… your spark plugs aren’t firing, there’s no need to go out and buy a brand new car, you just change the spark plugs.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well I have a quick question for you, Kris. You said that we have these beliefs that we don’t like and that we can Triple ‘A’ them. But you said let’s not forget the beliefs that are working very well for us in our architecture. And now is there anything, we triple A the beliefs we don’t like to neutralize them. I’m thinking, can we triple Z or something the beliefs that we like to enhance them?

KRIS: You can also utilize the same methodology. You can also Triple ‘A’ them, those beliefs, in such a manner that you can be very clear about the outcomes that are the result of maintaining your membership or subscription to those beliefs.

JOHN: Oh that’s interesting.

KRIS: Noticing additional sub-beliefs if you wish, satellite beliefs circling around the major matrix. In this way, truly enhancing your energies and their outcome. Without denigrating in any way, shape or form the village idiot, the village idiot does not necessarily wake up in morning and consider himself necessarily to be a genius. He acts in a way that reflects his beliefs about himself. Now, the genius wakes up in the morning, thinking, today he is going to exercise more of his genius, he will not become the village idiot. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: So the genius wakes up, convinced that today he will exercise more of his genius and lo and behold, is it magic? Is it an enchantment that somehow rather throughout the day, the demonstrations of his genius are quite evident? That particular mindset has been cultivated and practiced for many years and its outcomes become evident. Now it is not that you can try tomorrow morning to jump out of bed, yelling at the top of your lungs that “today I will become a genius!” There needs to be a correlation of that kind of belief. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes absolutely.

KRIS: That also means that the various different beliefs that you have cultivated throughout your lives, and in this case those that no longer produce beneficial outcome to you, will not be gone by the time you awaken tomorrow simply because you think about them. You have spent years investing energy in them. Now it does not mean that it will take years and decades but you may definitely begin to experience the results of your investigations into those beliefs fairly quickly and as we sit suggested, there are at least four different stages of belief uncovering.

MARK: You’ve given us two.

KRIS: We have not given you any.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Now initially, you will capture the first evidence of the beliefs. For instance, someone may rant and rave that the government is out to get them. Their friends are now out to get them. Employers are out to get them. Everyone is out to make them look bad. It is all their fault. Now someone may come along and say “well it is perhaps your beliefs about these things.” And the individual may begin to think and scratch their head, wondering what kind of beliefs might be responsible for this? And one does not need to go very far.

Just the long string of tirades themselves are the beliefs at that surface level. The very fact that you believe that the governments may be out to get you, that the neighbor may be out to get you and so on and so forth, these are your verbalization of the beliefs at the surface-most conscious level and it is a perfect place to begin your investigation. As was once said by a famous character “the game’s afoot.”

Thus that is your first and foremost clue, that is the first step. We may not necessarily go into all of them this evening but you have at least a point of entry, a beginning place. It is like when you go to the mall and you go look at the map and it says “you are here.” You want to go there but you must begin with where you are. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh Yeah.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Therefore, becoming aware of the words and the thoughts associated with the words and the feeling tones associated with the words and the thoughts all together will begin to give you a picture, that is the beginning of the journey. By immediately begin to reprogram what you usually go into in a form of your tirades may be sufficient to launch that ship into explorations of the functions of your own belief structures. Does that make sense now?

(Both confirm)

KRIS: As you begin to investigate this, you eventually will naturally fall into stage two. In this particular stage, you may begin to use modalities like the triple A, “ask why” and so many others that are available, and notice, as Phillip has pointed out, subroutines, secondary or satellite beliefs associated beliefs that may even indicate how and when and where you began to behave as a result of the beliefs that you subscribe to. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

(John confirms)

KRIS: It may be from experiences in school, experiences with past jobs, past relationships, your family upbringing, the explicit and the implicit lessons you learned from your parents, elders and family unit. Especially when you, as a child, as any child does, are not so much concerned with what the parents say as to what the parents do. The implied understandings are far more impressive on a child. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yeah sure.

MARK: Yup.

KRIS: And very often, more so than often, there are plenty of contradictory implications in those situations. These also fall into the categories of the various beliefs that you hold, that you subscribe to, and these may then begin to take you into deeper territories still. Those first two stages are an excellent point of entry. In those first two stages, behavior will also lead you to what you say to yourself constantly and consistently. It is not as if these beliefs fell out of the sky and hit you in the head. These are things that you have told yourself over and over again and you keep telling these things to yourself to reinforce your subscription, your energy in that direction. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yup.

MARK: Yup.

KRIS: The things you tell yourself is what you will do. Your present state of mind, your present state of awareness dictates and destines what your tomorrow will be. You do not need soothsayers, you do not need incantations or any other kind of vehicle of a predictive nature to understand what your tomorrows will be. Simply pay attention to the thoughts and the actions and words that you entertain today and it will tell you what tomorrow is going to be like for you. Do you follow?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: You do not need to invest in Nostradamus or any other great fortune teller or predicator. Look at what you do, look at what you say, listen to what you say, pay attention to what your feel, and all together, a clear picture will begin to emerge and it will show you that you are designing the architecture of your life, there and then. And these tools of perceptions are extremely potent and will guide you in the direction you need to take action.

By the same token, you may apply all of these to thoughts and beliefs and so on and so forth that lead to outcome you do not want anymore, but what about the outcome that you want to continue having in your life, that is beneficial, productive, positive, constructive for you, that lead you to states of wellness and well-being and joy? These can also be investigated in exactly the same manner. And of course, you can enhance them. You can put a pretty ribbon around them if you like. You can focus upon them, enhance them and request more outcome of the same. Does that also make sense to you?

(John confirms)

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: Therefore there are two categories of beliefs in that way, the ones where you no longer want that outcome, and the ones you want more outcome of the same. So you can have fun with both fields. They do not use an extraordinarily different kind of approach, they are both based on the same architecture, they simply produce different outcome. Those that you want more of, then you can concentrate on. Correct?

MARK: Correct. It’s also interesting that people tend to jump to a third kind of belief and that’s one that’s completely foreign and it will give you something completely different. They have these extremes, “the ones I don’t want and the ones that I want” but they completely skip over the ones that are bringing them good things.

JOHN: Right now. Yes that’s what I was going to comment, Kris, is that while I understand how our internal dialogue is often caught up with the things we don’t want, you know, “I’m an idiot and I hate my job and tomorrow’s gonna be worse” sort of thinking. But I don’t give a lot of airtime, I don’t think, to the stuff that’s going well, particularly. In other words I don’t say…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: …you know, “I’m happy, I’m healthy, I’m… my body’s working good and tomorrow the sun is going to shine again and…” (Chuckling) I don’t think that stuff.

KRIS: Indeed. And it would be to your great surprise to catch yourself concentrating on those very thoughts. And even though there might be parts of your job that doesn’t suck the big one, there might be parts of your job that you actually enjoy. And focusing upon that may bring more of the same. And it does not mean that it will now obligate you in that job but it might very well bring you into another job environment where more of your happiness can be enhanced. Not that the job will bring that, but that you can display that. There is a difference.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: All this to say that you have so much potentiality, so much within you, that the direction of your intent in those areas can make a significant difference in the outcome of your reality. And do not forget for one moment that none of you are ever, have ever or will ever be considered stupid simply because you subscribe to beliefs that now no longer produce beneficial outcome. That is not the point. The point is that at that time you were indeed a genius to set up all of that energy and consciousness into motion. Now it is time to change its direction, change its components so the outcome can be more in line with and congruent with your intended outcome. So you recognize that you are where you do not want to be, is also good to recognize where you want to be so that you can put yourself there. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes that makes good sense.

KRIS: Indeed. And this is a process that can take weeks and months, and for some people, years to get through all four stages. But we can assure you, we can definitely assure you that just as your present journey may have taken years and decades to get to where you are now, so will a little effort and perhaps months and perhaps even a year or so, to venture towards this healing journey. Correct?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Perhaps there might be some make inquiries?

JOHN: Oh! Skype-landers.

KRIS: You are not getting a break this evening.

JOHN: Oh fine, alright.

MARK: Nope.

JOHN: Nope? The Skype-landers are happy. I notice we’re calling them Skype-landers, not Skypies, I think that’s very wise, really.

KRIS: Indeed you would not want to rush to the drugstore.

JOHN: No.

KRIS: Now they are either very happy or they are not there!

JOHN: Oh I expect they’re relaxing and…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And thinking.

JOHN: …and chatting with each other. I… I look at the Kris radio chats afterwards and they’re quite interesting.

KRIS: Indeed. We are very much grateful for their on-going participation in patronage. And indeed their consideration is worth a thousand thanks. Do you have any questions or inquiries?

MARK: No, I don’t.

JOHN: I have one that may be a little hard for me to articulate this, but I’m gonna go for it.

KRIS: You do realize you only have about 10 minutes.

JOHN: Not even…

(Chuckling)

JOHN: …um yeah, and I should leave some time for you too, in an ideal world… here it is. I have, I was brought up thinking that beliefs were things that were true. So that if I believe this, then what that really means is that I think that’s true, and that’s what a belief is. Now we’ve been talking about beliefs in a quite, a somewhat different way.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And it’s not so much believing it’s true… what is it? Like somehow that isn’t the issue anymore, whether or not or not it’s true… somehow isn’t the issue, it’s whether or not it’s effective or efficient or useful somehow.

KRIS: Correct. For instance you may want to believe with all of your heart that you are Superman. But will that necessarily be true?

JOHN: No.

KRIS: And will you wear red shorts and Blu tights?

JOHN: Not maybe in this dimension.

KRIS: So some kinds of thoughts that you hold and you want to make into a belief simply will not happen.

JOHN: Well let’s say for example the issue of self-worth.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: On the one hand, I have had a long, long belief, an old, old belief, decades old, of not being quite good enough and having to you know, get better. And on the other hand, I have a growing belief in the last say, ten, five, ten years of an intrinsic self-worth that has nothing to do with what I do or say, it just is who I am, I am worthy. Now, I believe that one to be much more useful and the other one to be quite harmful and limiting.

KRIS: There may very well be what you… we will simply call societal belief structures. Society may have its own investment in a kind of self-worth. Especially in a society such as yours which is really a consumer society, that your sense of self-worth is merited by your participation in that reality of consumerism.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: But your innate self-worth is something entirely different. It is a completely different creature all together. It is not dependent upon anyone else’s interpretation of self-worth. It is itself worthy of its own nature. Cultivating such an approach can indeed make a marked difference in the behavioral outcome of your personality.

JOHN: Uh-uh. And that’s been happening. Do we have something here?

MARK: Yes we do.

BLU: Alan Aspinall asks “is the action of entertaining complete fantasies compatible with the establishment of new belief or do the fantasies have to be closer to actual reality?”

JOHN: Oh!

KRIS: Then in the latter part they would not necessarily be fantasies would they? For the most part, you, as human beings, individuals, have an extraordinary capacity: your imagination, your capacity to engage fantasies and phantasms of incredible order. These are also the very same playgrounds that your genius and creativity are manifest in. And it does not mean that if you engage in fantasies it is a waste of time because it is not practical.

In fact, your practical nature may very well be dependent upon your ability to have an avid and powerful imagination so that you can continue creating your journey and who you are. The individuals that you are, are the results of what you imagine yourselves to be. If you want more out of life then imagine it and it will begin. Now that does not mean again that you can simply imagine yourself to be like Superman, faster than a speeding bullet, able to stop a high-speed train and jump off tall buildings. But in your reality, it may exercise certain functions of creativity that allow you to be practical in the best way you know how to be. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, yes. So that we may… there may be life… there may be situations in life where just being practical…

KRIS: Is related.

JOHN: …requires super… and requires being almost a super human, with drawing on superhuman resources.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Not to mention the fact that fantasies like that bring about a sense of joy and self-worth.

KRIS: If you were unable to further engage in fantasies, we could also tell you that your sex lives would truly be limp.

(Laughter)

JOHN: I hear ya!

KRIS: You would need psychological Viagra.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Well that’s what fantasies are for me, psychological Viagra.

KRIS: Thus what is the time?

MARK: It’s couple minutes after.

KRIS: Indeed then, we want again to thank all of the listeners for their sweet and lovely consideration and may the following year bring more than you could have imagined during this year. And put that in your fantasies and smoke it.

(Laughter)

KRIS: And we thank you, truly and deeply for your loveliness.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Thank you Kris.

JOHN: Right back at you, big guy.

MARK: So John, obviously this show is to be continued because we…

JOHN: Yeah, we got two out of four.

MARK: Two out of four. (Chuckling) So stay tune for the next!

JOHN: Sneaky guy isn’t he?

MARK: You’re going to have to wait till next year to get them though.

JOHN: Well that was great and I want to just echo Kris and saying “thanks everybody, it’s been fabulous” and I hope everybody, as he said has a 19… oh god, what did I say? 2008 is beyond what you think you can imagine.

MARK: It’s been a great year and I’m definitely looking forward to next year. Thanks everybody and goodnight!

(Session ends)

IMARA State of Consciousness – Part 2

December 16, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 16, 2007
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars) and Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)

[Tonight was a scheduled Toronto session but Toronto received a foot of snow all during the day, temporarily curtailing both public and private transport. Mark and Serge decided to see if they could form a conference call Skype group, enabling others outside of Toronto to join in if possible. John and I both responded to Mark's email inquiry and we ended up having an intimate little group on the Skype phone line. We joked that it was a hybrid of the Toronto and International sessions, and suggested names like "Toronational" or "Interonto."]

(7:50 PM)

MARK: (Chuckling as Kris makes his appearance) Toronto slash International slash Skype.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now indeed we find the comment that you mentioned from this woman claiming that in the very near future you can dispense with all of these channels… It is interesting though, that with the advent of your television and now your Internet, one would think you no longer need to go to the theatre.

JOHN: Hmm… true!

KRIS: Or watch movies, plays or performances of any kind, yet these particular aspects of social development and entertainment are likely as, if not more, popular than ever, are they not?

JOHN: Oh yeah!

ELLEN: That’s true!

KRIS: And one would think with all of these advances, there would be very little need to share in basic human communications, yet your own technologies are making communications between individuals, whether it is across town or clear across the planet, that much more desirable. And we believe that perhaps for some of the simple things, you might be in a position to feel as if you have that communication well established, and indeed you might have that. At the same time, it is also very possible to get caught up in one’s own thinking, get stuck in one’s head. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes. We talked about that this morning on the CMI where Ellen was saying that she can do Tarot readings and be spot on for everybody else, but when it comes to her own stuff, she has difficulty.

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed. Now following that particular line of logic, it does make sense to think in those terms, but those particular thoughts themselves are only based on a few assumptions and those assumptions themselves might be distortions. For it is indeed fine to stay at home as it were, but every once in awhile there is nothing more enjoyable than coming together for a family gathering, as it were. Does that also make sense?

ELLEN: Oh, yes.

JOHN: Absolutely.

ELLEN: Much more stimulating, at the very least.

KRIS: Indeed! There are plenty of such opportunities, then, to fire up the old neurons, provide new insights and opportunities to investigate consciousness and reality from yet different vantage points, the likes of which WILL stimulate and titillate those who are inquiring that they can then go home and try new thoughts, new things.

It is indeed fine, as in the old days, to be completely self-sufficient. In the old days, as you call them, likely your great-grandparents, and perhaps even your grandparents to a certain degree, managed most of their livelihood from the land in their care. They mostly grew the greater stock of their foodstuff. But still, every once in a while, they went to the general store because it carried things you could not have at home: spices and trinkets and delicacies from far away exotic lands and these add an excitement. So we view [channeling] more in that particular light.

ELLEN: Well, you’re pretty spicy, Kris!

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN:(Chuckling) You put the spice in our lives.

MARK: Definitely a delicacy.

ELLEN: (Laughing mischievously) Well, let’s not go too far!

MARK: (Laughing)

KRIS: Now would your lovely selves have any questions or inquiries?

JOHN: I’ve got one left over from a couple of sessions ago, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You remember that session where the recorder was dropped and we lost a little bit of audio? The question I have for you ends up being a kind of a repeat of that question, but I just wanted to double check your answer. You were talking to Myrna about her geisha focus and the context of it was that, even though she was very, very disempowered in that focus as basically an ornamental woman, at the same time, she wielded enormous influence and power by just a glance or a gesture or a little smile, and the comment you made was that sometimes the most evolved and refined qualities of Essence, the real strengths of Essence, are disguised in a focal lifetime as weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

KRIS: Indeed, only to your perception.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: What do you think of such a small answer?

JOHN: (Pause) I need to think about that…. so it’s a very short answer, and my immediate request is to ask for a little bit more explanation of that.

KRIS: (With a slight chuckle) Indeed! What may appear from your own perspective to be a lifetime of struggle, perhaps even misery, can indeed be the particular point of gathering for strength. One does not have to show superhuman displays of extravagance and strength to demonstrate anything. A focus where a lifetime is one of struggle, may actually bring all sorts of energies and powers together that continue disseminating strength even to those focuses who would consider that particular lifetime to be a sorry one indeed, because it is not the outward appearance by any means that dictates the inner stance on reality.

So one focus that may again appear to be disparaged, could actually be a source of vitality and strength to dozens of other focuses in that particular kind of exchange, and even for that unique focus. And you may even see this in many individuals. Perhaps even in bygone days some individuals may become impoverished in a certain way, perhaps they have joined a religious order. You might even consider some of them fanatical to a certain sense, but they may exhibit a great deal of tolerance, a great deal of wisdom and yet display none of the great factors that in your societies would elevate one to a position of grandeur, do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yes, I think I understand that. In fact, I am reminded of a focus of Serge’s or of Joseph, who…. that focus as a black woman with all those children, where one of the boys died, and from outward perspectives, that was a pretty sorry lifetime, but that one has been a source of enormous strength for Serge.

KRIS: Indeed, so it is not necessarily the outside displays. And just as easily, a focus that does demonstrate great levels of personal demonstrations of power and strength, social power, wielding influence simply because of their social position, maybe even their political position, may be experiencing an inner life of great conflict, feeling themselves to be….

ELLEN: Impoverished.

KRIS: Indeed! Impoverished, ineffective, and so on and so forth. That may have much more to do with intentionality than anything else. (Pause. Kris can hear Mark trying to say something, but it’s not coming through his microphone.) Now Philip, are you speaking? There is no sound.

MARK: Is that better?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I think the switch was halfway between on and mute. I was just saying that I’m reminded of a particular focus where I was but a simple gardener, yet it was a very rewarding focus.

KRIS: Indeed. Joseph had another focus in the colonial days in a portion of French colonies in Quebec. Perhaps in the early to mid-1600′s where, as a wife and mother of several children, he was on the one hand struggling with what life offered in those terms, had a husband who was, for all intents and purposes, little more than a sop. Prone to overdrinking as well as gambling with little else to procure any livelihood for his family and during one of his drunken adventures, ended up gambling not only the house, but the family, wife and children included. Unfortunately, he lost the bet and…. also ended up dying.

MARK: The husband died?

KRIS: Indeed. As a result, the claimant to the prize showed up at the door. The distraught — or shall we say the not-too-distraught widow was far more distraught at comprehending the deal that was made and gone sour. She took no liking to the so-claimed new master of the residence and of her own family and took it upon herself to make certain that this claimant never left the property. He became part of the foundation.

(Laughter)

She did struggle to provide sustenance for her family. She fought off many different kinds of attacks from natives and even bandits. She was reputed to be one tough cookie. She raised her children through sickness and health, educated them enough to be able to read and write so that when it was time for them to go into the world, they would have some kind of education. She allowed herself to pass away when the last of her children ventured out into the world.

And though that particular life, to all appearances, was one of almost insurmountable odds, there was a strength of character, of independence, streaks of which sometimes still run through Joseph and many other associated focuses, but more than anything else, it was a foundational life, where ingenuity, creativity, and resources were made full use of in any way that could provide survival and safety for that particular family. Does that illustrate the point somewhat?

MARK: Yes, indeed.

JOHN: Absolutely. Beautifully.

ELLEN: And so are you bringing all of this out to sort of underscore the word you gave to us last night in our little session, the word “Imara”?

KRIS: Indeed. If you wish, you may bring Sohars up to date very quickly on that particular aspect.

ELLEN: Last night Emmy and Mark and I all had a little session with Kris, going over our past lives exploration, and Kris brought up the word “Imara” which is an African word that… the denotation is “strength.” Kris explained that it’s the type of strength that comes from a wisdom of understanding and also a strength that comes from empowerment, which also comes from understanding, and this is the sort of understanding and empowerment that comes when you explore these past lives and what you can gain from what these focuses have gone through in their lives: What benefits they can derive from your life, what you can derive from their life.

JOHN: Interesting.

ELLEN: Yeah, so the word is Imara.

JOHN: So Imara is the kind of strength that we gain from understanding our other focal experiences, is that the deal?

MARK: Mmhm. [Flipping through my notes.] It’s letting your adventures become the wisdom.

JOHN: Well, see I think that sort of happens automatically, doesn’t it? I mean, I’ve gained a great deal just from the little peeks I’ve had into two or three focuses and I was never interested in focus hunting, trophy hunting, because I kind of thought it was like “Oh my god, do we really need another Cleopatra, you know?”

MARK: (Laughing) That’s you John!

JOHN: (Laughs) But peeking into that Monk’s lifetime, peeking into the lifetime in the World War II thing with you guys, peeking into a couple of other interesting lifetimes has given me a…. let’s just call it a broader base of understanding of who I am.

MARK: And what you are.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed, and Imara is not strictly limited to other focuses and their experiences, but your own as well, your present focus.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: Altogether you do weave that magical carpet that can only mature just as the finest of wines matures with age….. Please feel free to continue.

ELLEN: I was just thinking that that part of the discussion sort of arose out of how we were talking about the idea of karma and people being born with disabilities, deformities or impoverished situations or whatever, and being taught that this is their karma, this is what they have to live with, that it’s a result of whatever happened in some past life focus, that they now have to atone in some way.

KRIS: That is indeed correct, and even individuals who are born with what you call deformities, handicaps and so on and so forth, may themselves be a unique bridging focus and this can be an important term: a bridging focus, specifically created to break through certain barriers that are likely profoundly ingrained in other focuses still, so that they may in their situation, be unable to explore those boundaries, thus Essence will create a focus that suits that purpose, the benefits of which can be shared amongst the other focuses.

It is a specific role of a focus in that way. They may break their mold, so to speak. Some individuals with handicaps and deformities can very often surprise the so-called experts, who may have assured the parents that you had best send the child to an institution or asylum because they will be a vegetable until the day they pass on. And such children often shock those kinds of scientific opinions to make incredible breakthroughs. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Oh yes.

MARK: Yes, I have a couple comments on that. One being that I find it particularly interesting when statistics now show us that one in seven people on the planet now are living with a handicap and understanding that we’re shifting, that there’s major breakthroughs taking place, I find that a nice coincidence.

Secondly, I am reminded of an individual that you spoke to years ago who in another probable life had a bicycle accident and became a quadriplegic, but in that probability, that individual became a great thinker in his own mind and had great insight into his other probabilities and other focuses, which had bleed-throughs into the particular individual who you were speaking to at the time, who was very healthy.

KRIS: Indeed. So there are many different permutations and interwoven connections at those kinds of levels and it could even be easily said that in terms of Essence, each one of you has at least one or two bridging focuses during the entire span of your collective adventures. It is not the sacrificial goat, but more so the one focus where your own limitations and barriers are pushed to the utmost, and you can indeed derive a great deal of benefit. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

ELLEN: Even if we’re not consciously, or we never become consciously aware of that particular focus, we’re still able to –

KRIS: Indeed! Many individuals in your world have absolutely no awareness that they even have other focuses.

ELLEN: Right. Most people.

KRIS: Or that they even have intuitions or dreams, yet they still derive benefits though it occurs below the immediate layers of their conscious mind. The gains can still be filtered into their conscious lives, albeit more or less masked, but they may experience perhaps an odd dream that represents a breakthrough for their entire personality [and] their lives may be profoundly affected sometimes by the most innocuous thing, though that innocuous thing may strike very deeply into their heart and begin to affect certain changes and transformation within the individual.

They may get a sudden burst of inspiration that uplifts them and assists them again in changing the direction of their lives where their fulfillment is more easily within reach, because at some other layer, the Self, through its expression as another focus HAS engaged the necessary breakthrough and these cascade through the network, so to speak. Consider it an advancement over the hundredth monkey effect. Does that make sense?

ELLEN: Yes.

JOHN: Yes, as a matter of fact, that raises a question for me, Kris. First of all, I wanted to comment: your description of the benefits of the French focus of Serge’s brought something to my mind that I really hadn’t thought about before but, we’re so focused on this Shift — I am so focused on this Shift — as being the be-all and the end-all, the culmination, that I sometimes forget about the enormous value of all of those thousands of years when we were engaged in this experiment that we’re now changing our direction and pursuing something different, but all of those experiences were of enormous value.

KRIS: Correct, and they still are and they will continue to be whether or not any of you actually engage your personal Shift or not, and the Shift truly is about your personal perceptions, your connections.

JOHN: Now the question I had for you was — following directly on that — and that is, keeping in mind the hundredth monkey effect and what happens to one focus affects others, will the fact that I am shifting and perhaps two or three other focuses of Sohars are shifting, perhaps more, is that going to ripple out and affect all of Sohars’s focuses?

KRIS: To one degree or another, but perhaps not necessarily in the way you think it might occur. Other individuals may also derive benefits in a way that it contextual to their lives and their experimentations and their fulfillment. And it may even be completely different in character and appearance to the shifting that you are engaging in your lifetime now.

JOHN: Ah, fascinating. And one other thing while I’ve got you here, and that is, you’ve mentioned so far in this session, two different kinds of focuses: Bridging focuses and foundational focuses.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I’m thinking that it might be a really fun project categorizing focuses into about a dozen different types.

ELLEN: You’ve got Elias’ final focus too, of course.

KRIS: It may indeed be an interesting project for one who desires to take it on!

ELLEN: (Chuckling)

JOHN: Uh-HUH! (Laughing)

MARK: Wink, wink!

JOHN: Well, thanks for that!

KRIS: Even a small exploration might trigger others even, to think and explore on their own. Not all focuses that have any worth are famous focuses. Sometimes it is the least famous of all who packs the biggest wallop of all.

MARK: I know that Joseph is a final focus, but I don’t suspect that I am, but I tend to feel more like a bridging focus, even though I don’t have a necessary handicap.

KRIS: Not all bridging focuses have handicaps.

MARK: So are you verifying that I’m a bridging focus?

(Laughter)

KRIS: We refuse to answer on the grounds….

ELLEN: That you better figure it out yourself!

MARK: Oh, I know I am.

KRIS: Suffice it to say that such explorations can be most intriguing. It is not about finding the weakest link in the chain or the strongest one. Each one bears their own strengths and capacities and adds to the whole. Any one focus in the chain is simultaneously the weakest and the strongest, and neither at the same time. They all are absolutely necessary. Do you follow?

MARK: Yeah, I understand that and I think that’s why I feel like a bridging focus.

ELLEN: I think it’s something that would take a lot of pondering.

MARK: Even my subcategory of Dulvar, that’s in my family tree, so to speak.

ELLEN: Well, I’m still blown away by the realization of what the Christ consciousness is all about, being the…. everyone’s got a Christ consciousness within that is… I guess you could term that the focus that becomes the….(Groping) oh, the savior or the messiah or whatever… (Laughs)…. but that is a focus who…. that’s probably the same as what Elias terms the final focus.

KRIS: Now do understand that the term “Christ” as it is used today is very different than how it was used in an older culture. Its original implication is not unlike when one establishes a Buddha-like consciousness, or a Christ-like consciousness. It is a title.

ELLEN: An “Enlightened One,” I suppose.

KRIS: Indeed! It could also very easily stand for an enlightened, compassionate being.

MARK: With an underline of the passionate.

KRIS: The word “compassion” is often utilized in relevance to those who are suffering in one way or another. And when an individual, a conscious individual, is more or less imprisoned in that cage where he or she is convinced that they are the victim and experiences all the angst and anxieties that comes with that territory, then you can indeed claim that there is some kind of psychological suffering in that specific context. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now, many Eastern and oriental teachings, even some Buddhist teachings, claim that the very fact that one is in material nature is an indication of suffering, that one experiences the cycle of birth and death, the [Wheel of] Samsara, is an indication that the individual is suffering. That only applies within that specific context. We are using it quite uniquely within the context where the person may indeed feel and play out the dramatizations involved in the belief systems of duplicity, powerlessness and victim-hood.

And once they begin to question the nature of that unique reality and begin to uncover their own strengths, resourcefulness, their unique abilities and the fact that they are not and have never been victims, but simply followed the enactments almost demanded by playing the role of the victim and subscribing to that belief structure, then at that conscious, ego construction level, there is indeed a kind of suffering. It is a suffering born of a certain kind of forgetfulness and ignorance. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

And it is not the result of a punishment for a karmic debt gone unpaid, nor a retribution or punishment from a supernatural being. No such committees or beings exist in that way, but the ones that they have created in their own cosmology for any imagined transgressions and sins that they believe they have committed. Does that make sense?

ELLEN: When you spoke of the New Testament as being the guidebook for the Self, the experiences of the Self in physical life…

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Each focus self then could have that experience of abandonment of self, crucifixion of self….. um… the going down into the “underworld” and retrieving of self, then resurrecting self and so in that becomes a “savior” of self and…

KRIS: Indeed. That particular drama of the Christ life is not unique to Christianity.

ELLEN: No.

KRIS: In fact many scholars will claim that it had been plagiarized –

ELLEN: Osiris and –

KRIS: Indeed, in the ancient Egyptian culture it was mythology then. It was known how Osiris traveled the underground. Many of the ancient Greek gods also experienced these transformations.

ELLEN: Dionysus.

KRIS: Indeed, the ancient Greek god Dionysus is frighteningly similar in lifestyle to the Jesus of the New Testament up to and including the crucifixion, the entombment and the resurrection, yet predates that Christian culture by well over 1500 or more years and it is not original to the Greeks! It became part of the Greek mythos from yet older cultures. In all of these ancient cultures there were some divine beings who underwent these kinds of transformations and these depicted not the death of the ego as some are wont to proclaim, but instead represented the dark night of the soul when the soul recognizes its darkness born of ignorance. That it believes it is alone.

ELLEN: Right.

KRIS: It undergoes its own inner journey into the underworld — or if you wish, the territory of the subconscious — and it further transmutes its life by coming face to face with its own daemons or shadows.

ELLEN: Right. (Chuckling. I have played out exactly this scenario over the past year.)

KRIS: And recognizing that these are aspects of its overall nature, it chooses a different life altogether, one of knowledge and wisdom. It resurrects itself from its own ashes, the phoenix also representing a portion of this mythos in other cultures still, resurrecting its own self into a being that has the knowledge and wisdom and that can then impart that inspiration for others to pursue their own discoveries.

ELLEN: Right.

KRIS: These are traditions that were actually enacted in many of the older cultures. The Greeks had a lengthy festival of Dionysus, enacting all of these things in great plays, the actors themselves often becoming sufficiently enlightened in understanding the nature of the dramatization.

ELLEN: So, many individuals DO go through this in psychological terms, but do all individuals in one way or another go through this?

KRIS: No. There are even individuals in your own society who begin to undergo some of these processes without any understanding of what is occurring and may end up being “pilled” into oblivion…. meaning prescribed medications.

ELLEN: Oh, yeah… huh… So it could be a process that could suddenly be stunted. That could be pretty devastating.

KRIS: Indeed, it is very, very possible. Others may be still preoccupied with specific religious duplicities, not knowing what is occurring to them, become convinced through some teachings of other misinterpretations.

ELLEN: Then they become fanatics.

KRIS: Some may do, indeed. Overall, your ancient cultures at least had some kind of an understanding and a foundation, and rituals and teachings to embrace, welcome and embrace, and support. Even your own early Christian traditions initially had such an environment until they may even have realized that if they allowed those individuals to continue to go out in the world and to encourage others to pursue a similar path, then you might end up with empty church pews. So they indeed put the kibosh on it.

ELLEN: (Giggling) The WHAT?

MARK: The kibosh.

ELLEN: What is that word?

MARK: They stopped it. Kiboshed it.

ELLEN: I never heard that word.

MARK: I don’t know how it’s spelled! Don’t ask me!

ELLEN: (Laughing) I have to know these things! (For the transcript!)

KRIS: In other words, they put a lid on it. If anyone felt “called” as it were, as is often understood in certain religious communities that they had a “calling”…

ELLEN: Right.

KRIS: Then they are immediately put into an environment where the calling becomes secondary and the following of the rules primary.

MARK: Even if it means being burned at the stake.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Been there!

KRIS: Any questions or comments? Sohars, you are being very quiet.

JOHN: Oh, I muted myself, actually, because I’m always clearing my throat and whatnot. Yes, this is a fascinating discussion! I’m enjoying it very much. I don’t think I have any particular questions right off the top here.

KRIS: Then perhaps we may have something for you.

JOHN: Oh, goodie!

KRIS: You enjoy reading and you enjoy writing.

JOHN: True.

KRIS: You also enjoy good conversation.

JOHN: Yes!

KRIS: Both as a listener and a participant.

JOHN: It’s all true. Somebody has been telling you about me!

KRIS: We are certain it is all lies! (Group laughter) Now, do you remember your Abbot focus?

JOHN: Yes!

KRIS: What did that individual enjoy?

JOHN: He enjoyed his position as the mother hen of a great big community, he enjoyed his books, he enjoyed a glass of wine and looking out the window.

KRIS: Indeed, he also enjoyed writing his thoughts.

JOHN: Yes, writing and reading, coincidentally!

KRIS: This is something that the two of you share. It is a connection and you might even develop a taste to attune yourself to the energies of your abbot and from your position, express some of the things that this lovely individual mulled in his mind, the thoughts he chewed on looking out his window, the philosophies he contemplated; and we can assure you that not everything he read was specifically sanctioned by the Church.

JOHN: Ahhh!

KRIS: And not everything he wrote was particularly sanctioned by the Church.

JOHN: Interesting.

KRIS: He may have had doubts, but came to understand that the doubts opened up his mind and he felt free enough to explore some of these things. And it is quite possible that some of the thoughts that flowed through his own awareness stemmed from your contemplations.

JOHN: Oh, that’s a fascinating thought.

KRIS: Much like a piece of driftwood or a message in a bottle, floating on the oceans, suddenly coming to land on someone’s private beach. So some of your own contemplations could have been transformed into messages in a bottle, as it were, arriving through the waves of consciousness onto the beach of his perceptions. It would have been interpreted within context to his life, but enough also to spur some questions that the Church could not answer and would not answer. Not that they could not, but they would not and nor would they even bring the topic up because it might make the questioner ask more questions. That is perhaps an area that you might enjoy exploring on your own.

JOHN: Yeah, for sure. For sure.

ELLEN: (Chuckling) This is the same analogy that Defrene used the other day for me when I kept coming up with thoughts of a particular focus and then I’d brush them away, you know, thinking “What’s that got to do with anything?”

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: And they came back, persistently, and she said later on it was like a message in a bottle from this other focus being thrown out and it kept landing on my shore and I kept throwing it back.

JOHN: (Chuckling)

ELLEN: She said, “But it kept coming back to you.”

KRIS: Indeed, in this respect, the ocean has the last word!

ELLEN: (Laughing) The ocean of Essence, yes! She said “The message in that bottle’s got your name on it and you’d better read it, because nobody else is going to read it but you!”

KRIS: Indeed! Thus, Sohars, in such explorations, if you are so tempted, you might find that, just as Johnny Danger is an interesting character, so could Father John the Abbot…

JOHN: Ah! Oh, that’s fun! So one of the ways I might investigate this would be to write about it.

KRIS: Indeed! And you are quite capable in that area.

JOHN: Well, you know what I find happens to me, Kris, and you can maybe elucidate this for me a little tiny bit, is when I start writing something, about ten or fifteen minutes later, I will go back and change a sentence around or move a paragraph and suddenly there is more coming off that page than I thought I put onto it! Like it gives me…. I just stop and say, “Oh, my god!”

ELLEN: Your ripples expanded.

JOHN: Well, yeah, I mean, I will put something together and then change it…. you see, the first draft doesn’t have this in it. The first draft is no good, but when I go back and change it and it often involves moving a paragraph and then adding a few words and then I say, “Oh, oh that’s what I’m saying!” then I’ll add a few more words and then suddenly it’s really good! (Chuckling)

ELLEN: (Laughing)

KRIS: And this surprises you?

JOHN: Well, it doesn’t surprise me that much any more, but it thrills me. We’re talking fulfillment here.

KRIS: That is the point. Thrilling. That is what an adventure is all about! That is also what Life is about and even though there may be, during the course of existence, one or two individuals throughout history who may bemoan their existence…. and of course we are being slightly and lovingly facetious here!

(Laughter)

ELLEN: I don’t know any of those people!

KRIS: But even such individuals on the one hand still find a thrill associated with their lives if only they could tap into that deep pocket of energy, their whole perception would be altered.

JOHN: Hm! Well, thank you very much! I think we’re going to probably going to investigate Father John….I’ve got Johnny Danger, I might have Johnny Religion, too!

(Laughter)

KRIS: You might even be tempted as describing the very particular lifetime as one other focus.

JOHN: Oh, yeah! I think it would be fun to sit down and start writing as though I was Father…. I wonder what my name was in that focus?…. Doesn’t matter. Father whatever. Oh, no, Abbot! I was probably called Abbot. Abbey….

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Now do keep in mind that even though as many other individuals in a monastery that seem to be removed from the activities of life, there were often far more intriguing political and religious adventures going on than within the general populace. The Church, in one way or another, was always in some kind of a political muddle.

MARK: “Days Of Our Lives.”

KRIS: It could also be called “Days Of Our Wines”! [In the Tuscan monastery that Kris and John are speaking of, wine-making was one of their means of livelihood.]

(Laughter)

So there is fun to be had there, too!

JOHN: Well, thank you, Kris! I appreciate that.

KRIS: Any other inquiries?

MARK: I’m getting some perceptions about Isabel and…. She was betrothed. She also had access to money which she gave away from time to time to Mozart. She could go to the opera and the royal balls, so that tells me that her station in life was upscale… and I suspect her father was noble or in the royal court at the time. I’m not sure who was the king… if it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire at the time? Because the palace was in Vienna, but she definitely was participating in the balls and I can picture her in very gorgeous clothing and I’m wondering if she was betrothed to royalty… maybe not somebody who was heir [to the throne], but obviously a noble, but was she betrothed to a royal?

ELLEN: Like an Earl or something? A duke?

MARK: Yeah.

KRIS: We believe it was more in line with a baron.

MARK: A baron, yes. A title.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I’ll pursue that avenue.

JOHN: So Mark, how do you get those impressions? What’s the process for you?

MARK: Um…. I don’t know…(Chuckling)

JOHN: Well, thank you. That’s very helpful.

ELLEN: (Chuckling) For me it just kind of enters… It’s a stray thought that kind of enters and the process, for me, has been to trust it and go ahead and maybe say it out loud or whatever. Especially working with Emmy, Defrene and Yosef, as we’re conversing and doing whatever we’re doing at the time, a thought will come through my mind and all too often I’ll suppress it, afraid to say anything. But we’re learning, more and more, to just go ahead and throw it out there. And they start snowballing, these impressions. If I say something, then Emmy might say, “Oh, yeah! And I’m getting this….” A couple of times Tom Chez was on the phone with us and he tentatively started getting some things, too.

MARK: I agree. In fact, John, If you remember us in the food court, talking about that series called “The Tudors” and I told you that I had this inkling that I had some type of relationship with Sir Thomas Moore, and I may have been one of his victims. As it turns out, I was. I was a close cousin deeply loved and I deeply loved him and we respected each other, but he caught me reading another book that was considered heresy and he had me burnt at the stake.

JOHN: Probably something I wrote!

MARK: Yeah! (Laughing)

KRIS: It was likely called “How Do You Like Your Steak?”

(Gales of laughter)

MARK: Rare! Rare!

KRIS: Or in some cases, well done!

MARK: That’s how he liked his, obviously!

KRIS: The point is to be open to impressions, ideas that seem to come from left field. The kind of ideas or impressions that one would probably brush away like a gnat, maybe even insist that these thoughts stop bugging you because they are not consistent with the kinds of thoughts you want to focus upon now!

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: They may even be very insistent, like a gnat, trying to catch your attention. That is then, how you might recognize some of them, and if you follow, even ever so slightly, it may open a whole new world of perception, like suddenly realizing that the house you thought may have been flat, all one level, suddenly has a door that you thought you had not noticed before, might even have questioned if it was ever there, but since it is there in front of you now, it must have been there always, why have you not opened it?

It may lead to an upstairs or a basement and very often you find some of these things in your dreams as well. The house may look like a single family unit, perhaps a small bungalow that you might think would have no more than one or two bedrooms, but once you enter it and you begin to explore it, you notice that it is immense inside! It has rooms upon rooms, floors upon floors that from the outside could not possibly happen. Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Oh yeah, I like it!

ELLEN: All right Mark, go ahead and throw out what you just sent to me on Skype! (Laughing)

MARK: (Laughs) I don’t know if this is true or not, but Isabel had a very stubborn father and she picked up a lot of his stubbornness and I just got this inkling that Janaki may have been her father.

ELLEN: There you go. That is exactly how we do it all the time, when Emmy and I are working on this stuff. These thoughts, just throw it out there.

It would make a heck of a lot of sense, wouldn’t it?

MARK: Yes, it would. I look up to Janaki as a father figure.

[There is some short discussion concerning transcription work and then Kris addresses Ellen.]

KRIS: Now you have another focus that is most adept in what you are presently doing, in good old Ireland during the time of the Dark Ages. A lovely, pudgy old fellow — not that old by any means, but in those days, even reaching the ripe old age of thirty-something may have been considered quite old in some respects, considering the longevity of those times. But this fellow was responsible for the copying of many ancient books. You are familiar with many of the monasteries that reproduced illuminations?

ELLEN: Yeah, I just said it: Illuminated manuscripts. I can see me doing it! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: And Celtic designs, the Irish letters and things, I’m very attracted to them.

KRIS: Indeed, and many of these in those days were also code to hide information. Those monks knew full well the dangers. They concentrated on Ireland because they knew that this was an area least of interest to the Vatican, far from that reach for a time, so they would take the opportunity to codify many things within those Celtic designs, illuminating the works they were copying.

Much of that knowledge has now been lost. Eventually the Church did notice, took an interest and demanded that they fall in line with the teachings of the Church or fall in line to the scaffold. These individuals were very crafty and enjoyed their work, the thrill being not only the art of their work, but also the art of hiding code. That was thrilling in itself! And the material that we share with you, the material that Elias shares, the material that Seth shares and many others in some ways is similar to those illuminations.

It is not the words that we use and the sentence structures, however syntactically correct or not they are, that is the message. It is none of these things. It is the quantum leaps of awareness and consciousness that YOU capture, that you understand, as the meanings implied in the words hit upon the shores and the walls of your consciousness. In other words, you are familiar with the Biblical story of Jericho? That the walls came tumbling down with the playing of the trumpets?

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: Now in this case there are no trumpets involved and that story is allegorical.

ELLEN: Mmhm.

KRIS: It is not the words themselves, but their influence…. (Pause)… Does that make sense, Sohars?

JOHN: Oh yes, definitely. Words are amazing tools.

KRIS: That is correct.

JOHN: And as you say, it’s not the word really, but it is the relationship between the writer and the reader that’s carried within the word.

KRIS: That is correct. Thus when individuals or groups of individuals become literalists and purists of the word, then you need not stop along the way for tea and crumpets with them. Continue your journey. Do you understand?

JOHN: I understand perfectly. Some people have got, you know, everything has to mean just exactly what they think it means and you take your life in your hands if you raise even the possibility of some other idea.

KRIS: Indeed, because for all intents and purposes and for everything they are worth — and this is not a denigration of themselves, but a critique of the behavior. That is two different things, but for all intents and purposes, they hold a specific interpretation, usually a distortion to the word and if you challenge not the word, but their interpretation, which they take to be the word, then you are in for a crock of trouble.

ELLEN: That’s still happening.

MARK: No kidding!

KRIS: It adds a little dash of chili to the soup.

JOHN: Well, it’s interesting you mentioned that, Kris, because in my own writing, for instance in the recaps and summaries of your sessions, I make a point…. it’s almost automatic with me at this point… I always leave some air inside, some escape routes and other possibilities within a statement so that there’s… I don’t know how to say this, but you always say it in such a way that you say “You MIGHT have this understanding of this” as opposed to “You SHALL have this understanding.”

KRIS: And indeed so you shall!

(Laughter)

Our point is not that we be understood word for word. That would be asking you to come to the buffet table and feed on rock soup. It would have no intrinsic value to your digestive system nor to your nutritional needs, do you follow?

JOHN: I… um…. carry on!

KRIS: Thus what we are suggesting is that we demonstrate to you how you can make all varieties of meals to nourish yourself body and soul in a manner of speaking, then it is up to you to take the ingredients and feed yourself.

ELLEN: Put together your own recipe.

KRIS: Indeed. And it will definitely be the best recipe ever. It is the one you create. Now how does that differ from those who may distort words and give it a meaning it may never have been intended, is that they do not make it their own. They are parrots. Those who make it their own may use the very same ingredients but add sufficient differences to create their own dishes, as it were, and that makes all the difference. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely! What brings to my mind is that if someone is trying to parrot words, it’s the old case of trying to change the outside world to suit you rather than changing the inside.

KRIS: That is correct, and usually they are far more concerned how everybody else should follow the rules and the words. Thus creating situations where those who are told by them that their lives need to follow the word, do not have to suddenly think: “Wait a minute! You are telling us what to do, but you are not doing what you tell us what to do!” Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh, yeah.

ELLEN: “Do what I say, not what I do!”

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: “And give me your dough!”

ELLEN: (Chuckling) Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed, we have a lovely pastry shop to sell! Now then, if there are no other inquiries, we will return Joseph to you, to your lovely selves and may you enjoy a very fine evening.

ELLEN: This was fun! Thank you, Kris.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris. This was an interesting experiment. I think it worked!

KRIS: Indeed, and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

[Session ends at 9:09 PM]

The IMARA State of Consciousness

December 15, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 15, 2007
Participants: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Ellen (Kwaa’Ji) and Emmy (Atin Khum)

[Approximately 7:40 PM]

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable.

ELLEN: Yes, indeed!

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And all partied up! (We laugh. Emmy just returned from a Sinterklaas party in the Netherlands) Now then, you are desiring to pursue our suggestion, is that correct?

ALL: Yes it is.

KRIS: This idea can expand into a very nice little body of work, not if you do anything in particular, but only if you allow for the material and discussions to unfold and reach more depth, a depth that is accessible beyond the regular ideas and interpretations concerning past lives or other focuses, other expressions, a depth that literally peels back the layers and often the distortions and misinterpretations that exist within the concept.

The information that can be allowed in this situation is hopefully organized in such a manner that you will all give your gentle and enthusiastic participation such that your own experiences become the teaching tools. Your own ventures become the source of wisdom and the open-ended conclusions that can be derived from this little project speak of the wisdom that is innately tailored to each of the lives that are expressed, that are lived, regardless of the time period tapped into.

This may even give the notion of time something different to ponder upon. The entire idea being the exploration of territory often left unexplored as so many often simply glance at these issues and move on without realizing that they themselves may have walked over a rich golden vein without realizing what they were walking over. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yeah.

EMMY: Very much. I feel a lot also, at this point.

KRIS: Our initial suggestion is to gather such materials as are intended for exploration in such a way that it can be used in a beneficial and even a therapeutic manner. The purpose is to establish a certain understanding, and a premise and perhaps even a precedent that these other lives, these other focuses or expressions of Essence — again, whether you refer to them as past lives, simultaneous lives, parallel lives or other focuses — each of these do contain a rich vein of information that can be tapped; again even in a therapeutic manner and environment such that the individual or even a group of individuals might look behind the actions, exploring the very concept of such dynamic lives, INCLUDING their own, and see the parallels, the synchronicities and the richness that can be used to enhance their fulfillment. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

EMMY: Yes, a lot.

KRIS: The traditional understandings concerning issues of past lives and the ideas and philosophies behind it as is understood in the Eastern philosophies and teachings, is that the past lives themselves more or less control the outcome of your destiny, that apparent things that you did in those past lives are the reason why certain things happen or do not happen in your present life, and especially in the realms of duplicity where if so-called bad things happen to an individual who is a good person otherwise then it must be some kind of divine or cosmic retribution for offenses committed in these past lives. Would that be an apt description of the standard view?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah!

MARK: Indeed.

EMMY: That sums it up, I think!

KRIS: Indeed. Now, there are entire religious systems based upon those notions and individuals use such systems when they themselves need to have some justification for whatever feelings of guilt they may be toying with as if such a philosophy more or less explains and justifies the events and actions of their lives. Such a view on the one hand, is truly disempowering and sets up the individual for not only a mild case of denial, but in actuality an entire truckload of feelings of being powerless.

Not being able to do or control what happens in your life because you may not know what transgression may have been perpetrated or have transpired in these other past lives of yours. As a means to redeem yourself, there are all sorts of exercises and ideals established in those philosophies to set up some kind of atonement or reparation in order to pay off your karmic debt, as it were. It is an incredible system of credits and you could be paying for it for an entire existence, forever at the mercy of this karma.

ELLEN: Which we choose ourselves.

KRIS: In many instances, yes, because you must keep the system alive. That belief system has to be fed. It is like a furnace, it needs fuel, so you must then in some way or another, add more and more fuel to keep the system alive, so you must keep finding transgressions and other items that simply add to your karmic debt. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah!

KRIS: So it can be a truly heavy burden, actually keeping you from dealing with the present or even setting up anything much the likes of which would end up being your future, because you must forever be on the lookout for this karmic pestilence that will keep haunting you. And not only that, but ultimately you must also begin to worry about transgressions from this life that may crop up in some other future life. So it is a system that can truly begin to stifle the creativity of the individual.

ELLEN: And the problem is digging down into it and finding out what it is, because in our conscious awareness, we don’t know what it is that we’re trying to redeem ourselves for most of the time.

KRIS: Indeed, so it is a system that is truly based in the duplicitous ideals of right and wrong, good and evil, bad and good and so on and so forth.

ELLEN: Mmhm. So people born into the world with, say, like a physical deformity are taught that they were born this way for some past life transgression that they are atoning for…

KRIS: That it is maybe a punishment.

ELLEN: And they may live the rest of their lives not really knowing what they’re supposedly atoning for.

KRIS: And they have means within themselves to correct the situation by simply dispensing with their subscription or membership to that belief system. It is not unlike somehow or other finding yourself on the Publisher’s Clearinghouse mailing list. Try to have yourself removed from it.

(Laughter)

EMMY: Yes!

KRIS: Now it may serve specific purposes for individuals who may need to explore certain aspects of those belief systems but it does not mean that they must continue being steeped in it.

ELLEN: Well this is very much like this dream you and I went over, Emmy.

EMMY: Yeah, a couple of days ago, and what came out of your Tarot reading as well.

ELLEN: Emmy is staying, part of the time now that she is back in the Netherlands, with the parents of a friend of hers, who she knows either had the opportunity in the World War II scenario to hide Yosef for awhile and they didn’t, or they were hiding him for awhile and asked him to leave. And those memories are even just below the surface of the awareness of the man she’s been staying with.

EMMY: Yeah, it was very interesting. I came there the first day and he showed me around in the house and we were standing near the attic and he said, “Oh, and there you can hide when the Gestapo comes!” (Laughs) I said, “Oh! Well… not this time!” It was one more of these instances….

What was important was that I had a dream about him, about Henk, and Ellen and I discussed this dream and did a Tarot card reading and the whole reading showed me that I needed to see the now as it is and not compare to some past, even though that existed, and that I can change my behavior now because I knew how it was back then and that I shouldn’t hold onto these old roadways, so to say. I’m not sure if this is at all clear, if you were not there with that reading, but….

ELLEN: Well, the dream was of…. she was riding her bike in the dream, seeing through her own perspective, but it was Yosef’s perspective, too, and on the bike was a note attached from the man she was staying with, saying that she has to leave because they found some writings that they didn’t like at all. So she has to leave and suddenly she was wondering “Did they find writings about Defrene?” And she became angry, started to ride her bike back to find the farmhouse and couldn’t find it.

That was the gist of the dream, but there was all this panic, worry and anger, all these feelings that came up, like “Where do I go now? There’s no place for me to stay,” and the self-sabotage, all that stuff. So we did a card reading on it and basically the reading was saying that she was still clinging to the fears that arose out of her past as Yosef, of course: not having a home, not being able to find “home,” not being welcome anywhere, and sabotaging all of these efforts to find safety. And now here she is again in the situation with the same people, but it’s entirely different.

EMMY: Yeah, and that’s very important also.

ELLEN: Yeah, so what came out of it was that…. to stop comparing what happened in that scenario in World War II with what is happening in her life now. It’s completely different and these people now are offering, from a completely different mindset, are offering her a place to stay and everything and for her to find “home” is…. she WILL find “home”… it’s not being taken away from her, she has the power to…

EMMY: Mmhm, and it’s also important to realize I did have these memories so that I could learn how these things work and that when you recognize the pattern, you can break it, you can step aside of it. I could say, “Okay, I have these feelings, they are here, but I don’t have to cling onto them.” And then realize that now it’s different and I can change this self-destructive behavior by being in the now and as soon as I did that, I can see these very beneficial changes, not only in my own persona — I’m less hiding myself — literally, from everywhere.

ELLEN: It was like a karmic pivot point, in a way.

KRIS: It is important in all of these particular explorations, to always keep in mind that you are not your feelings, nor your feelings about yourself, nor your own thoughts about yourself.

ELLEN: Yeah, yeah!

KRIS: Keeping such a small window open, a small perspective, can make a vast difference between feeling overwhelmed and therefore extremely anxious, and feeling in control of your situation, knowing that what you feel is not what you are, nor who you are.

ELLEN: Yeah, well that’s interesting, because I was just, a couple of days ago I was reading that very thing, in the book I’m now reading, and Kris, you’ve talked before about how we are not our bodies, like, we don’t say “I am my hand” or “I am my foot,” we say “I have a hand” or “I have a foot,” but when we’re talking about our emotions we tend to say “I AM angry” as if anger is what we are, or “I AM sad,” as if sadness is what we are. We do identify with our emotions.

KRIS: Indeed, and in truth you may be experiencing these particular states, but their strength and power often can be overwhelming, so once you learn to pay attention to the words that you use, you can more or less learn to separate yourself from your present state, whatever that happens to be.

ELLEN: Yeah, and during that reading, that’s pretty much what that did for Emmy.

EMMY: Yeah, it did and also in combination with the session that I had with you, where you gave some analogies on that subject as well, but it was…. and I’m looking for the words here…. as if I could step aside because I knew that I couldn’t do it back then. It was very important that I at first couldn’t do that so that I now really can feel the difference from when I am able to observe my emotions instead of being totally drained by them and…. when I lose the perspective of my now, the now that’s around me….

KRIS: That is why it is important to learn how to place yourself in a situation to recognize that whatever feelings or state of mind you are experiencing is just that. It is not you, nor who you are, nor what you are. Otherwise you can become even disoriented, feel as if you are losing sense of touch with yourself.

EMMY: Yes, and I used to have that when I got into that fear reaction. Sometimes I would have a fear reaction that was totally over the top. Like on my first day at work, it was not necessary and I’m more able to step out of that now.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: But, it takes some practice though. It is easy to slip into as well.

KRIS: Indeed it is and that is one of the main reasons we offered the Triple ‘A’ process, some time back now.

EMMY: It’s very useful in that regard.

KRIS: As soon as you can acknowledge your situation, then it is easier to extricate yourself from your situation. Now, our premise for offering these discussions on a therapeutic aspect of past life or focus exploration is to offer a position of empowerment. There is a word that can define the state of these explorations. The word is IMARA. (Spells it) I-M-A-R-A. It is an African word that denotes strength. It can even be extended into a strength that comes from the wisdom of understanding.

Strength can also mean power. So it is an empowerment from a position of understanding: Imara. And these particular states that one can enter into we will then refer to as “Imara states.” Again, the premise is that these Imara states are and can be gently removed from their usual connotations regarding past lives and so on, but actually become parallel states. They are shared emotional threads that are woven in and out of varieties of lives or expressions of Essence. For example, you have all experienced powerful emotions in the development and unfolding of the Yosef adventure.

ELLEN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: Now, one could say that some of the powerful emotional states you experienced may have all been derived from that particular past life, but there may be far more here involved than meets the reincarnational eye, so to speak. Some of the feeling-tones from this life may themselves have been interwoven in and through that scenario just as easily as some of the emotional states and experiences from the Yosef adventure may also have been interwoven through your lives and others as well. Even other lifetimes tied into this particular rich tapestry might also have been affected in exactly the same way that the tides are affected by the moon. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: Oh, yes.

EMMY: A lot!

(Emmy and I both chuckle)

MARK: And that’s something I wanted to bring up, too, is that Emmy, staying with these people in that dream that she had, might have been particularly useful to Yosef.

ELLEN: Oh yes.

EMMY: And me staying there for real as well. I mean, I’m staying with these people now in the Netherlands.

ELLEN: Yeah, I think he understands that.

KRIS: Indeed, and their lives will also begin to experience an influx of a difference, and this all occurs usually at the subconscious level and the subjective states, but when you bring this to the level of the conscious mind and begin to unravel these threads, then you set up cascading effects that also ripple out, again, much like throwing a pebble in the pond.

Now if you throw one pebble in the pond, you have concentric circles that expand and eventually, though to your eyes disappear, may reach far out into the pond. Whilst the one set of circles is expanding, you may throw a second small pebble, creating a different set of rings in the water. These intersect. You may throw another one and you may again have intersecting lines.

ELLEN: Now this would be why the Emily focus starts coming up, correct?

KRIS: Indeed, because there are all types of interwoven and intimate intricacies.

ELLEN: Yeah, and Kris, you were telling me in my last private session about sort of taking this into the next step into following along genetic lines for one thing and also getting an idea of the relationship other focuses have to Essence.

KRIS: Yes.

ELLEN: And this has… this has taken me back into some other focuses. I was getting a bead on… well, Benjamin Disraeli came up! (Chuckling) I don’t know if he is actually a focus of mine, but I know for certain that I have been, I have had focuses very much like this man — even if he is not an actual focus of mine — who operated along these lines.

KRIS: Now if you do a little bit of research on the individual and look up who were some of his staunchest opponents –

ELLEN: Gladstone. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed, and you will find that though these two were almost what you would call mortal enemies, they each had a deep admiration for each other.

ELLEN: Mmhm, and I think that runs through the Charlie life and I think that runs through my life too. Even those people I am most opposed to, I do have a great deal of respect for, for their ways of thinking, for their ways of operating… and I think it was the same in the Charlie focus. Through all of my focuses, we study the psychology of people without formally knowing what it is that we do, I think.

EMMY: But we are getting a lot of positive feedback on our own lives.

KRIS: Indeed, your own personal lives become very rich.

EMMY: This life that we are living now.

KRIS: Yes, and that is the main central focus of your experience is THIS life, but they can see how there are threads reaching in all directions and that your personal life is not limited to what you think it is.

EMMY: Indeed, and I notice also that when you make one little change within yourself on that key, I think, it affects ALL of your focuses.

ELLEN: That’s when it ripples out.

EMMY: And that’s the place where it ripples out. We spoke to Defrene about this and we experienced it firsthand.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: All of these little changes… even when I peek into Yosef’s experience right now, I can also see that he has changed also.

ELLEN: Tremendously.

EMMY: And we do influence each other… also the changes that he is making in his life. I mean, you cannot separate those two things, in a way. It’s all tied into each other…. (Chuckling at her loss for words to express the impact of our work together.)

ELLEN: Yes, it’s very difficult to articulate!

EMMY: One thing that I felt very strongly was that dream that Mark shared with me about my father and his father, and I was thinking that even though Yosef, for instance, his father in my experience was my own father as well, for a part of him, but I think that in Mark’s experience, or in Samuel’s experience, it could have been Mark’s father… I’m not sure if this is at all clear, but…

ELLEN: Probable realities, you mean?

EMMY: Well, not even probable, I think that these personalities are mixed always. You have these huge palettes of personality colors that always mix in certain ways that just depends on what part you look at one tapestry, so to speak, that you think “Oh, this is a thread that’s from this personality and this is a thread that’s from another personality,” but they’re woven together and you just recognize one more because it’s from your region, so to say…. I’m not sure about this.

KRIS: Consider for instance the lovely game of chess: You have all of your pieces on the board and any time you move any piece anywhere on the board you set up completely different dynamics within all the pieces, so the possibilities are very big into what other move the opponent can make and that is one of the endearing qualities of that game, because it sets up a whole series of potentials.

ELLEN: And sometimes it takes long, long minutes for the other player to be able to make a move because he’s got to think very far ahead, he’s got to really concentrate and see all the permutations of every possible move.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: That’s why it’s so hard sometimes to articulate, the way we’re working at this and we…. well, we go on and on for hours with this sometimes! (Chuckling)

EMMY: Yeah! (Laughs)

ELLEN: Yeah, just all of the different things that come up… and when I want to get it down or I want to articulate it, sometimes I’m speechless. It’s very much a deeply felt experience.

EMMY: Yeah, you feel the changes from inside, but from outside as well, and you know that all the things we did, I mean it changed a lot, and it was all positive. I don’t regret that we started with this even though we had no clue what we were doing! (Laughs)

But we just followed our impulses in that regard and I think that is also the key, that you always will be led to the right method or way if you trust and if you don’t hold too tightly to those old ways of looking at past lives and stuff. You need to be open to a totally new way of exploring these things to be able to do it in the way that we do. Otherwise we would have been stuck right from the beginning.

KRIS: That is what pioneering is all about, adventuring in unexplored territory and leaving a path.

ELLEN: Yeah, exactly.

EMMY: We might not explore everything. Some things might have a different perspective later on, but at least we ventured into those areas that needed change. I feel that often people want to hold on to old methods because they think that’s the only thing that’s there. They never dared to try a totally different thing. I think it helped us, in a way that we didn’t know what to do.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: I think it was a very healthy starting point.

KRIS: In more ways than you can imagine. And we will give you a small hint here: You now have the potential of examining any situation you get yourself into not only from your singular perspective, but you can easily imagine that Yosef and other related individualities are somehow or other now part of your thinking process. You have developed the beginnings of a multiple perspective.

EMMY: Yes!

KRIS: When you can examine life and need to examine it from a different perspective. Thus you have in many ways the beginnings of Multidimensional Psychology 101.

ELLEN: Whoa! (Laughing)

EMMY: What I want to say also is that in drama-therapy for instance, you have your role arsenal as they call it. Normally we are used in life to play just certain roles, we are mother, we are whatever, and we behave in a certain way. What you do with drama-therapy and with improvising, you try to develop all these different roles inside yourself and you try to seek new roles all the time so that people can solve their problems more easily because they have more tools to choose from, because you have developed these tools also.

For instance, if you have many, many ways you learn to say no, you will never get stuck because you will always find a new way to do so. And I find it’s the same with psychology, with Essence, because of all these different lives that you have, and all the psychological abilities that all these lives have, if you can use them — at least some of them — it enriches your life tremendously, because you cannot only choose from your own perspective, but you can also relate more to other people and you can also use more… a broader way of thinking.

A far broader way and I think that is also what channeling is all about and what Jane Roberts tried to show also, and what Serge is showing, is that our psyches are so big that the possibilities that we have with it… we only use one percent of it!….If we do not allow ourselves to observe and not try to put it into rigid forms, if you know that you can switch roles because you are safe enough in one…

KRIS: That is correct. It does enable the creation of an extremely flexible mindset and that is why we chose the word “Imara,” because it brings wisdom into strength.

EMMY: And that’s felt also, by us both, right Ellen? And Mark? I think you also….

ELLEN: As soon as you began speaking about Imara as strength, Kris, I thought immediately of ego strength. Is this really where the strength is given, to the ego?

KRIS: Because you engage the processes at the conscious level. Basically, digging into the rich soil of your being and bringing its hidden treasures to the light of the conscious mind, you have to engage the ego construction in the process and as a result, that often maligned aspect of the personality structure DOES grow and it has the potential to grow far more than anyone has ever given it the benefit of the doubt. But when you set up barriers and limitations of fear concerning the ego, then it must respond as it is programmed.

EMMY: And I think that is a very important thing, and we created very nice ways to explore that, but I think that we realized that you can never lose your self, your own being, so to speak. You can always go back there and you can always find it again. And because of that, we dare to explore these things because we do not fear losing ourselves. And we learned that the hard way! (Laughs) But we learned it! We really experienced that okay, you can do wild things and still be a pretty… oh, this is not a good way to explain it….

KRIS: If you consider your own situation even at the emotional level, you have now explored a much greater platform of flexibility than rigidly restraining your emotions and their great power within one small box that you call your self. And that in turn also enables you to truly grasp the concept that you are more than the sum of all of your parts.

EMMY: Yes…. and like you said, you do need to feel…. safe, and have some tools so that you can feel that you do not drown into your emotions, and that takes some time to experience.

KRIS: Indeed, this is not for the emotionally faint of heart.

ELLEN: No, we know that!

EMMY: Yeah! (Laughs) But also, I think that as long as you are scared to lose yourself, it will be difficult to do it.

KRIS: And at the very same time, this kind of process can actually assist an individual to move into an area where they can begin to explore their own personal power, their own Imara.

EMMY: Yes, and as long as you have a safe environment for yourself, that you create that for yourself, like we did together, because we feel safe with each other.

ELLEN: Yeah, that’s really important.

KRIS: Indeed, there are many different ways, as this particular material will unfold, there are practices that can be taken advantage of — established and taken advantage of — to generate, whether it is with one individual, or a small group or a larger group, small practices that can set up boundaries within which safety is the main feature.

EMMY: Yes. Indeed.

KRIS: Because one does not necessarily lose oneself in the other perspective — though it can be powerful! — but instead that other perspective expands your own. Does that make sense?

EMMY: It makes a lot of sense and I think that when I had my strange period in 1999, even on my weirdest moments I was angry because I was still in myself. I could not get rid of myself.

KRIS: And it is a good thing!

EMMY: Yes, it is a very good thing, and I’m very happy, but that frustration I had back then is now my strength, because I really know that it cannot be destroyed. You can lose the way or lose perspective for a little bit but you can always go back to your own perspective…. Oh, this is not clear to other people at all! (Laughs)

KRIS: As long as it is clear to you.

EMMY: Yes. (Laughing) Oh, well, sometimes it helps.

KRIS: Now, perhaps this would give you sufficient food for thought, and there is no homework involved, but if you would give thought to the small discussions and set up your own safe boundaries for your own Imara, then next we get together, you may have other points of view to bring to the discussion.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And there will be definite times when we would encourage Defrene to also participate.

EMMY: Mmhm, yes she is very willing to do so. I already felt her around, very strongly right at the beginning so…. yes, we can do that!

ELLEN: I think we all feel an awful lot kind of just pushing up from underneath. There’s just kind of…. there’s so much that we’re kind of almost overwhelmed with…. Well, we’ve gone through a lot! (Chuckling) Emmy and I have gone through a lot.

KRIS: Keep in mind that the ground of your being is always active in exactly the same way that the ground beneath your feet is always active. The Earth itself is never static, but always in movement. Not only with itself, but even through space.

ELLEN: So we can trust it.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Kris, I have a question. Can you tell me a little bit about my relationship with Sir Thomas Moore?

KRIS: (Pause) We believe that you were a close relative, perhaps even a beloved cousin, not necessarily a brother, not that close, but someone that Thomas cared a great deal about and your feelings of having been set aflame by him were quite correct.

This in some ways produced an incredible amount of internal conflict within the individual, especially when he discovered that you had been reading that which he considered heretical materials and that you had been — in his mind — corrupted, and therefore your soul, from his point of view, had to be saved, had to be purified by fire. His own religious indoctrination in some ways created a shield behind which he could hide and in many ways almost felt as if he could not truly deny that his religious sentiments were justified. When the judgment came to put YOU to the fire, it in some ways sent him a little bit more over the edge into an area of insanity.

MARK: I have feelings that there was a great deal of respect for each other, between him and I, at least for the most part, and a great deal of love.

KRIS: Indeed, and that is why it was even doubly difficult. Not from your part. You had no specific hatreds or resentments for his actions. You understood that he was caught up in his world and in some ways almost could not refrain from his obsession and you took pity on him in that way.

MARK: Thank you.

ELLEN: Who was Sir Thomas Moore? I have a feeling I should know that name, but….

MARK: He’s a saint now. He was in Henry VIII’s court. He was a close advisor and replaced Cardinal Wolsey, after Wolsey died.
ELLEN: Okay, hmm.

EMMY: Kris, can I ask you one thing?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: About Defrene’s participation in this project…. Is it possible to have her and you talk at the same time, or is that more difficult?

KRIS: Our preference would be to simply give her the floor, as it were.

EMMY: Okay, yes. That’s logical. That’s what I felt, but I was not sure how that works, so okay, that’s nice!

ELLEN: That sounds good.

KRIS: Then indeed we will take our leave of your lovely multidimensional selves.

ELLEN: Thank you so much, Kris, for being willing to indulge us.

EMMY: Yes! It’s very nice.

KRIS: Indeed, and we thank you for your lovely consideration, one and all.

MARK: Thank you.

(Session ends.)

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