Kris Radio: Everything Matters

November 29, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 29, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m the star of the show!

(Laughter)

MARK: Gotcha!

SERGE: We’re all stars of the show.

MARK: And my co-stars tonight are…

JOHN: Well that was a lovely introduction, Mark I’m glad you’re feeling a little perky! Yes, it’s the end of November in Toronto, in the Milky Way galaxy, and we have our dear friend Serge to visit with us tonight as well.

SERGE: Oh, it’s so nice to be sitting in amongst such starry people, are you guys the star people?

(Laughter)

SERGE: We won’t go there.

MARK: No. (Pause) So here we are again on a Thursday night and Serge and Kris and I have had a busy week, we helped, not helped, but went and visited inner-city youth group, I guess you could call it, Support Our Youth group and brought Kris along he enthralled the group, and I just wanted to say hi to the S.O.Y. [Support Our Youth] Essence Group if any of you is listening. We had a having a great time there and are looking forward to coming back. Also, this coming Sunday is an International Session, correct?

SERGE: CMI in the morning and International in the evening.

MARK: Right! So were moving right along.

JOHN: So is CMI… is…

SERGE: Sunday morning.

JOHN: Is that gonna be December?

MARK: December 2nd!

SERGE: Yup!

MARK: Already.

JOHN: I’ll have to make sure I put some more money into the Skype business there.

SERGE: And in two weeks is the last CMI, for this year.

MARK: Actually before we get too far here, we should see if Alan from Colorado is on the line?

ALAN: Hey guys can you hear me?

ALL: Yeah!.

MARK: We can hear you now.

SERGE: We can hear some Coloradian… Coloradodian…

(Chuckling)

MARK: Colorado correspondent.

ALAN: My voice is a little high because I’m up in the mountains.

SERGE: That’s your high voice? Oh my god!

(More chuckling)

SERGE: What kind of beans have you been eating?

ALAN: I know I’m a poor substitute for Matt but you’ll have to live with it I guess.

SERGE: Oh I guess we can just bear that for tonight. So have you guys in Colorado started having any snow yet or?

ALAN: We had a little blast and they’re trying to talk as into some more over the weekend.

SERGE: Don’t listen to them! Don’t buy into it!

MARK: Oh I think we bought into it though.

SERGE: Yeah, here anyways. (Faint music playing) What’s that in the background?

RANDY: You won’t hear it anymore.

SERGE: Oh, Okay, I thought it was nice, sounded like a sitar.

One thing I want to announce is… in the middle of January, we’re going to start a dream workshop with Kris, strictly on-line, either through Skype. If there are more people than Skype allows for a conference call, we’ll be using another system called Gizmo from gizmoproject.com, their call conferencing system allows almost double what Skype does, and it works on the same principle, it’s also free and it’s also free from Gizmo to Gizmo just as it is from Skype to Skype and Gizmo offers a call conferencing system.

MARK: Which you can phone in from a land line if you’re not using…

SERGE: If you want to as well. Anybody can phone in as long as they have the number we give them, they can call into it.

MARK: And even Skype in. You can Skype into Gizmo.

SERGE: Yeah, it doesn’t matter, yeah.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Yeah, it’s kind of like a… similar to that. So the web page for that is up, it is on our website, it is only available through….

MARK: It’s not linked to anything yet. You have to type it right now.

SERGE: Yeah, it’s not linked yet, it’s not linked yet. It is at krischronicles.com/krisdreams.html. (Serge spells out and repeats the address a couple of times) All the information there is listed, some of the topics that we’ll be covering during that eight-week workshop, one day a week. The dates and start times are all there and it is available, there’s two… on the website there are two payment options, one is full payment up front which gives you $25 discount on the price, and there’s also an option for those who can only pay say, in two installments.

We’re looking forward to having a lot of fun. If you look at the topics that are going to be discussed, I think it’ll be very enticing and quite likely unlike any other dream workshop you’ve ever heard of.

JOHN: Serge, do you mind just repeating that, the URL address…

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: …because I didn’t get that.

SERGE: krischronicles.com/krisdreams.html.

MARK: Now that will be linked to the website in the near future.

SERGE: Yeah, probably by the weekend because both of us get home late tonight and we’re both working tomorrow, but either Saturday or Sunday it will be linked from the home page, the workshop page as well, but this special offer, that you will get a 25 to 30 minutes free private discussion with Kris if you sign up in the next 24 hours is only available here, now. It’s not available through any radio show, radio station, TV station, flyers, pamphlets and other things.

MARK: Also, on-line are the full details to the March 8th and 9th Arizona workshop. And that IS linked to the website, right off the homepage and off the workshop page. So if you go to krischronicles.com, and you will see the Arizona workshop, and it’ll say “click here for details”, click there for the details.

SERGE: Yeah, and who knows, maybe our thatradio.com radio meisters might end up in Arizona in March, who knows! [Referring to Hugh and Randy who were busy doing something else and not paying attention.] They’re not even looking here, so that’s fine. Whew, thank goodness!

(Laughter)

MARK: And there’s an abundance of packages available too, for those that just want the two days or the three days, four days or even five days! And it’s very affordable and it’s going to be a lot of fun cause everybody’s going to be on site, it’s…

SERGE: I think one of the packages includes a trip to Sedona, so that should be a lot of fun.

MARK: There’s even going to be a “come as you were” party where you dress up as a past life.

SERGE: And no, you can’t dress up as Adam and Eve as a past life. Well you probably could, just wear a leaf.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Did you have something, Alan?

ALAN: Well I was just going to say, if you look at the picture on the website, they got the classiest outhouse I’ve ever seen.

SERGE: I know, it’s amazing isn’t it, and I’m almost sure you can see the outlines of it from the Google map.

(Chuckling)

ALAN: Yeah, I know. I think you can. I think that’s one I spot. I just want to know if I can make a reservation for that room.

SERGE: I’m sorry, it’s all taken!

MARK: Actually that one’s taken! That’s where Serge and I are staying.

SERGE: We have dibs! We’re staying in an outhouse! (Chuckling)

MARK: It’s a two-story outhouse too.

SERGE: And no, you can’t bunk above or below.

MARK: It’s got a roof-top patio. So yeah that’s going to be a lot of fun.

JOHN: And apparently that’s the best building on their property so….

ALAN: Yeah, that’s the good news.

(Laughter)

MARK: Oh always a lineup… (Chuckling) oh, on that note.

SERGE: Anything else?

MARK: That’s all our announcements. So I guess maybe we should try and recap last Thursday? John it’s up to you! (Chuckling) Last week we talked about the “Enchantment of the Universe” which was a follow-up from coincidences and synchronicities and how we are barely scratching the surface, but we’re building a database so to speak, of evidence proving that we do indeed create our own reality and shows how we do it as well.

JOHN: Yeah there was some interesting quotes from that last one, I haven’t got my write-up done for that so… there, you know.

SERGE: Do you realize how many people are sitting there on the edge of their seats? (Laughing)

JOHN: I know, I know, it’s so true. I’ve been… I don’t know for some… for a while now I’ve just been kind of… a little bit disconnected or spacey or… I think I’m getting ready for a new understanding of life. And of course you can’t build a new understanding of life without entering a certain degree of chaos on the way, right? Just to make it more of a contrast? So I… you know, I apologize for the fact that I’m really not quite here a lot of the time lately.

MARK: Well we are in a change in the seasons of consciousness as well, and as you know, you create your own reality and…

JOHN: Oh I thought somebody, I thought you’re

MARK: …your seasons are actually outward reflections of your inner seasons of consciousness.

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: So we are going into, especially up here in North America, the upper North America, going into a state where we are doing a lot of inner reflections and not doing a lot of exterior work.

JOHN: Well that make sense to me, that’s the kind of thing I’m feeling. Now I think we’ve been joined.

KRIS: Thankfully not at the hips.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

ALAN: Absolutely.

KRIS: We have of late been addressing the topic and the issue of meaningfulness more and more. The whole year has been an exploration of various angles or perspectives, and if you consider the theme of the year, you might indeed realize that we have never left the theme, but simply brought in other perspectives. And we will also continue to build on that issue this evening. Last week, we expressed that as you built your own meaning, and as you recognize that your lives are meaningful, that you live meaningful lives in a meaningful universe, then that universe literally becomes enchanted and enchanting, correct?

JOHN: Oh Yeah.

MARK: Absolutely.

KRIS: We have also added to the buffet if you like, in small bits, for of course we are aware that you must watch your calories. Your caloric intake is measured…. of course in a meaningful way. And in that the very same vein, we need to express, and we may never be able, ever and completely able, to express and describe and define the depth of that subject matter because it gets to a point where words themselves simply cannot be an adequate conveyer of information because the words, the syntax, your grammar, your verbs, your whole IDEA of language is to convey information, is it not?

(Mark confirms)

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Up to a point. There comes a point then, where words are simply inadequate so you must search elsewhere. You must search within yourselves for that abundance of meaningfulness that can no longer be conveyed merely through words or even actions, but through the state of your being. And as we have expressed but a few nights ago, quite strongly we would even say, is that there is a reason why you are meaningful beings in a meaningful universe. There is a reason why the universe itself is meaningful. Regardless, even of perceptions and philosophies and thoughts and ideas and concepts that might even express that it has no meaning, in any way shape or form, and the reason why is two-fold.

The reason why your lives and the universe are meaningful is because each and every one of you is the meaning of life and the universe. And you cannot run away from such a truth, you cannot hide from it, nor deny it. You may indeed pretend it does not exist or even pretend that such a notion is meaningless ultimately, because the universe and your Self is so filled with meaning that it will accommodate your perceptions regardless of how temporary they may be. And over and above all of this, there is still one other reason, it is because YOU MATTER and as a result, everything matters.
Absolutely everything matters because you are the meaning of life, you are the meaning of I matter, you matter, they matter, we matter, does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes it’s kind of like a nursery rhyme: “I matter, you matter, the mat….” Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed! As such, you may even begin to experiment with that notion even if it is foreign to you, even if you do not believe this and you search high and low for the meaning of life, the meaning of the universe, you may even begin to pretend that you matter. You are meaningful because you matter, even if it is a concept that you have never been able to experience in your present lifetime. Indeed how many of you have experienced situations that seem to deny your existence, that seem to be too depressing to deal with, where ultimately you may throw your hands in the air and simply say, perhaps even in a defeated manner that “it doesn’t matter.”

JOHN: Oh yeah, I’ve been there.

KRIS: Indeed and do you recognize why you might say that?

JOHN: Because I’ve lost sight of the fact that I matter!

KRIS: Correct. And the more you accept that notion then the more everything seems to not matter. Even the desire to be seems lost, like a floating raft in the ocean, being drawn away from the shores of Self, over the horizon, for fear it may never be seen again. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Uh-uh, nice image.

KRIS: And yet if you pretend even for a few moments that you matter, you may indeed recognize the varieties of beliefs and convictions you have acquired, that you subscribed to, that you have accepted and therefore have begun to experience the results, that it has begun to be manifest in your reality and things seem to not matter, least of all you. Does that make sense?

(John confirms)

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: So if you begin to pretend that you matter, that you are significant, valuable, valid, authentic, that you matter, and through you, everything else matters, everything else has meaning because you are the meaning, and you might find that even a few minutes a day can have a lasting impression into the kind of world and experience of the world that you engage. That is also called “creating your reality” and that aspect of reality creation is truly the root, the core, the foundation upon which everything else is built because everything else is rooted in the concept that you matter and that you are meaningful, that you are the meaning. Does that make sense to you?

(All confirm)

KRIS: Now we do not wish this to sound as if it is heavy and laden, but that instead it should uplift your spirits. It is a key that opens and unlocks aspects of yourself that you may have even ignored or forgotten about. Joyous, merrymaking, mirth-making side of yourselves. Everyone has a little Sumari, why not let it out of the box once in awhile. Why not do a little Sumari drag once in awhile and enjoy your Sumari self. It too is meaningful. Does that make sense to you?

(John confirms)

MARK: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Any questions or comments up to now?

MARK: Pretty straightforward for me.

JOHN: Yeah I just have one question that pops into my head and that is… you know how the outer universe is a… in many ways a reflection or a…

KRIS: Indeed!

JOHN: … of our inner. Okay, so, if we feel that we are meaningless then the outer world becomes meaningless.

KRIS: Correct. It may even appear to you as if the world is cold and indifferent and if you continue probing the depths of that kind of a darkness, then indeed it may even feel to you that the coldness of the indifferent universe reaches out and tries to grab on to your heart.

JOHN: Well I wasn’t gonna go there, so…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Here’s the question for you though, let say… you see here’s the… here’s the catch-22 that I’m beginning to catch a glimpse of… the universe, the outer universe, if we think it’s… we’re meaningless, then the outer universe confirms that and suddenly, it’s a meaningless universe….but… now follow me here, its meaningless in a meaningful way, but….

KRIS: That is what we have described.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: That the universe and yourself are so meaningful that you have that allowance but it does not mean it is permanent.

JOHN: So that the meaninglessness of a universe that’s the reflection of someone feeling that they’re meaningless is… actually it ends up being a kind of an illusion based on their beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed. For the very specific purpose of leading the individual to the realization that on the contrary, there is meaning, deep meaning, even in the belief that it is meaningless.

JOHN: Yeah, well that was the layer that I just got to.

MARK: If it was meaningless why create it at all?

KRIS: You do not care for something you do not love.

JOHN: Well yeah, and you don’t create something you don’t have some kind of feeling for.

KRIS: Including life.

JOHN: Uh-uh, yeah. So really, in a way, the idea that life is meaningless and that we’re meaningless is… can be thought of in a perverse and weird sort of way as quite a significant achievement!

KRIS: To some degree it is an achievement, perhaps even in some form of a distorted way.

JOHN: A-ha!

MARK: It’s a way that we’ve creatively pulled the wool over our own eyes. (chuckling)

JOHN: Yeah! But let’s say that we wanted to have an even deeper understanding of the meaning of life and the meaning of ourselves, wouldn’t it… one way to do that would be to have an excursion into the land of no meaning.

KRIS: For some it is a necessary journey but it does not mean that you can only appreciate meaningfulness, the meaning of your being, and that you matter only through the forest of meaninglessness.

JOHN: Uh-uh, I hear you. It’s the same point that you made with happiness. Happiness does not require unhappiness in order to have its meaning.

KRIS: Indeed, and perhaps even in the same way, that you do not have to freeze in order to appreciate warmth.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Right. Right. Okay, well that’s all I had.

KRIS: Perhaps you may have inquiries or questions or even the wonderful folks in Skypeland.

ALAN: Well actually I can bring one up if everybody’s agreeable?

MARK: Indeed.

ALAN: Marlene had sent me this quote earlier that I think is really relevant although she didn’t have an author and Kris, this may be yourselves or someone else, but the idea is that we are in each moment, or who we are in each moment is determined by the vibrational wave pattern that we place in front of us in the linear time frame and we live in the illusion of a linear time frame with a past, present and future. Simply put, who we are is determined by who we think we are going to be and that that thought is a vibrational wave pattern waiting for us to walk into it as we step into our future and it goes on to say something about if we could identify the wave pattern that’s creating a bad reality and expose it to the opposite, like sound cancellation, that we could then reinsert an entirely different one, but I think this goes really to the heart of meaning, and that is that the meaning that we get out of life is the meaning that we create and project into our… into our immediate future, and I wonder if that sort of goes along with what you’ve been saying?

KRIS: We understand the reference though it is not our own. And we appreciate the thought and effort put together in that string of words, and the meaning behind the words. And we would wish that, in all sincerity and desire, there will be an exploration of a deeper meaning behind those words. You are not all of what you think about yourself. You are much more than your own thoughts about yourself but your thoughts about yourself assists in defining certain aspects of your entire Self whereas other aspects of yourself are censored or kept out of the picture because they would simply not fit into the time frame of the continuum of space that you are expressing yourself. Do you follow so far?

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: In other words, you are always more than the sum of all of your parts because you are continuously evolving awareness. So it is indeed that a portion of you relates to the projection of the thoughts and ideas about yourselves in front of that wave, of energy if you like, but it does not necessarily define all of you, but a portion of you that can accommodate the beliefs that you hold about yourself. Over and above that, you are more than the sum of all of your thoughts, and all of your beliefs and all of the energies that you can become consciously aware of at any time. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: And that is true even in our physically-based experience?

KRIS: Indeed! And we have not yet begun to address the rest!

ALAN: Well of course, yes.

KRIS: But for all intents and purposes, the quotation has great depth of meaning, there is still more behind the scenes and it is worthwhile exploring that. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yes indeed.

KRIS: Each and every one of you, whether you are listening now or you will listen next week or you will read the next week or you will listen and read a hundred years from now or a million years from now or that you have or read it and listened to it a thousand years ago, each and every one of you know, innately, intrinsically, that you are more than anything you have experienced because you continuously discover things, information and knowledge that you did not know you had. If you were nothing but the results of the experiences of this life, where would that put you?

JOHN: Back at square one.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Thus, look beyond those definitions, understand the depth and meanings involved, and you will sense the outer edges and the contours within your psyche of the greater meaning of your Being. Though the quotation indicates great meaning, still there is more. Does that make sense to you?

(Alan confirms)

KRIS: Any other inquiries? Or do you prefer a small break?

ALAN: Up to you guys.

MARK: Do you have another question, Alan?

ALAN: I had one that I can kind of weave in here a little bit, because I’m curious to know that if the you know, if your conscious thoughts about yourself are not all that defines your physical reality, then I’m wondering, does some other part of you like your inner self or inner ego, is that the part that sort of fills in the blanks, and the corollary I guess is a question that I picked up here, that to paraphrase it, the idea of thoughts about “picking your battles”, in terms of maybe choosing where to give your energies, do those thoughts take away from the idea about being passionate, and I would interpret that to mean is that somehow the conscious thoughts about what to engage in, does that take away in any way from your emotional impetus on to really engage in your life?

KRIS: Now you did say impetus and not impotence.

ALAN: No, no I… the former not the latter.

KRIS: Indeed. We simply wanted to clarify…. in a pleasant way. Now, your inner self, whether you refer it as the inner self, your subconscious, your unconscious, your inner ego, these, and many other descriptions are the intermediaries if you wish, the gateways, the entrances, the translators of the experiences that occur behind the scenes in what you call framework 2 and what you live in framework 1.

You have that psychological buffer zone that is also as filled with energy and meaningfulness as any other, whether framework 1 or framework 2 or framework 1.5 if you wish. And you periodically provide yourselves with upgrades, perhaps more frequently than Microsoft but without the hassle.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Nonetheless, that psychological buffer zone is in a vast psychic area where you work out all of the different ideas and thoughts that you entertain consciously as a result of your interactions with your physical reality, your personal reality, as well as your subjective personal reality which is far greater and vaster than the physical. And you exchange within that buffer zone in such a manner that you weed out as it were, some ideas and concepts that are perhaps too radical to fit into the belief structures that you engage and hold on to at the conscious and even unconscious level. Does that make sense to you?

(Alan confirms)

KRIS: And that psychological buffer zone, each of you do slip through it every night as you prepare and then engage sleep and dream states. You may refer to it as Bardo. You also return to it as you prepare for wakefulness in the morning. That state is never fully dismissed whilst you are completely asleep or completely awake, and you engage many thoughts and many ideas in that zone to try and accommodate new ideas, new concepts, new beliefs and work out the details. And you can also consider that psychological and psychic buffer zone as a kind of a whiteboard, not unlike the kind of whiteboards that are shared at meetings in large companies that have offices even across a continent through teleconferencing and so on. Each group can share their details and their information to the auspices of this whiteboard. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: And that is what you make use of this psychic and psychological buffer zone, through the state of your dreams you engage many kinds of actions, including the actions of this buffer zone. And when other focuses and other lives express knowledge, information and wisdom that they have worked through, that may be suitable for your challenge, then you take what is required for your particular set of circumstances, you make up certain plans within that buffer zone and then implement within your ideas, that is how you often awaken in the morning with a solution to your dilemma. And your solutions may also be shared amongst others, and they awaken too with a solution to their conflict or challenge. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes, yes certainly.

KRIS: It is also that same buffer zone that you go through and literally deposit your dreams before you awaken. With training, you can retrieve those dreams for recording or recollection and that particular aspect of your psyche, which is in some way that you understand is tied into your subconscious mind, can give you access to every single dream that you have experienced even before your physical birth. You share those events and dream events with others through your zone as it were, so that they too can grow in wisdom. Does that make sense to you?

(Alan confirms)

KRIS: Thus you always have a great deal of resources and tools and are never bereft of any ideas until you block them. Now what is the last part of your inquiry if you remember that?

ALAN: Oh I think the second part had to do with the difference between conscious thoughts about, the quote was “picking your battles” but I think the idea is the conscious decision as to what to engage yourself in and whether or not this sort of conscious thinking takes away from the whole concept of being passionate which I would…

KRIS: Indeed, we understand…

ALAN: Okay.

KRIS: …you need not worry that your spontaneity, your impulsiveness, your leap into action will be diminished. However, you may acquire a greater understanding of the significance of your beliefs as they fuel the momentum towards your actions. And you may recognize that the occasionally, you may jump into the fire both feet first and get slightly singed. Upon reflection you might indeed reflect upon those kinds of actions and define for yourself there may be other, even more advantageous ways to passionately engage your energies without getting singed. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Well I for one am a well-charred individual.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Everyone loves a burnt offering every once in awhile.

(Laughter… Alan says “yes, yes, yes”)

ALAN: “Up in smoke” as they used to say.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?

MARK: Quarter to.

KRIS: Indeed, perhaps a moment of break?

MARK: That would be nice!

(Musical interlude break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris Chronicles… Kris radio here on thatradio.com.

SERGE: Bringing on the heat.

MARK: Putting on the heat… and I’m Mark Bukator and we’ve been sitting here, talking to Kris about “everything matters”.

JOHN: Everything matters.

MARK: And, you are the meaning of life.

JOHN: You are, each of you is the meaning of your life and of the universe, your universe! Yeah, that’s quite a responsibility isn’t it, but he did say at a certain point, he said, you know, don’t take this too seriously, lighten up a little bit.

MARK: Bring out your Sumari, party self.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: It’s quite the topic. This is a continuation of the topic they gave the kids at SOY and it’s, it’s very meaningful, it’s very empowering and quite uplifting.

JOHN: I’ve got a question, just came to me. Is our job, while were here in the physical, to delve into all of this like metaphysical stuff and understand it all or is our job to focus on having fun here?

MARK: Be. Just be. Not A, just BE.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you enjoyed your little pause.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: And in response to your inquiry, we would have to say that you do not have a job to do here unless of course you are a civil servant. Your job as it were, is to enjoy life.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: But when you have acquired the belief that life has no meaning, that nothing matters, least of all you, then how can that be enjoyable? Though we are certain there are one or two individuals on the planet who may enjoy not mattering in that sense, but you do have an innate, intrinsic,
built-in, it is hard wired into your consciousness that you matter, thus everything matters and that you are the meaning of life and the meaning of universe.

JOHN: Okay, well that’s good to know.

MARK: Now he tells us. (Chuckling)

JOHN: So my job is to enjoy life! Well I’m not sure I’ve been doing the best job of that that I could do.

KRIS: Then it may be time to start.

JOHN: A-ha!

KRIS: But each of you will find your middle ground, and then literally hit the ground running as it were. You are also prone to philosophical musings, philosophical metaphysical musings, because you also seek to understand what is the meaning of life. The philosophers have been writing and philosophizing on the subject matter for eons. Entire civilizations have been built upon those musings and philosophies!

As we suggested a few nights ago however, the main point is that people often search high and low for the meaning of life, they will climb the highest mountains, travel through the deepest valleys, they will endure joy and sorrow simultaneously, in an effort to understand what the meaning of life is, what is life all about, does life have a meaning? Is there anything meaningful? Does anything matter?

And for as long as you search outside of yourself, as long as you stand separate from yourself in this quest for the meaning of life, you may not see the proverbial forest for the trees, you may not yet grok that if you look in the mirror and ask yourself what is the meaning of life and you believe it must exist outside of yourself, then you will not see your own reflection look back at you and say “hey, you there are the meaning of life!”

So our humble suggestion to all of you listening and reading is to take into consideration the idea that every once in awhile, you turn your gaze inwardly and look at the very meaning of life and the universe as being yourself. And by default, consider that as a result, everything matters. The energy of all things, and All That Is matters, including matter itself. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, that’s very nice.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?

MARK: Alan?

ALAN: I don’t have anything on my end… nobody… I think everyone’s been lulled to sleep out there.

MARK: I’m good.

JOHN: Oh well, yeah, there’s always more for me.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: You see, as much as I talk, I talk a good… I talk a good enjoyment of life and lay back and just let it all roll over you but there’s a part of me that just will not sit back and has to poke around and figure things out! I don’t know.

KRIS: And does that part of you necessarily have to be something you must frown upon…

JOHN: No.

KRIS: …or is it some aspect of you that you can accept because it also rounds out your experience of meaningfulness.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Indeed. And there are many who live as you do, in that same way and it is fine. It is a danger however, when you consider that this aspect of yourself, the questioning aspect of yourself is suddenly considered a threat to having faith, especially blind faith, do you follow?

JOHN: Not sure.

KRIS: There are many individuals who seek the meaning of life, engage all sorts of spiritual and religious processes where they encounter teachings that say that you must not question, you must not ask, you must simply observe and listen and do what we tell you to do, do not do what we do. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yeah, I’m not… I don’t like that.

KRIS: Indeed most individuals do not. So we are saying then that if you have an inquiring, inquisitive, curious, questioning aspect of your personality, by all means give it food for thought but you do not have to be 100 percent completely caught up. You still have other parts of you that enjoy being yourself in the moment and both states are completely acceptable, you can have a middle ground.

JOHN: Yes, it’s finding that balance, in-between those.

KRIS: Indeed, you always have your existence between the extremes of your opposing and your allowing.

JOHN: Well just a quick question then, I think we’ve got another minute or so, maybe not enough, not giving you a whole lot of time to answer, but anyway, sometimes I wonder if the main job is to relax and make the most out of what we’ve got here, what out conscious awareness is about? And sometimes I think the main job is to expand my awareness, to encompass more and more and more, bit I’m beginning to sense the idea that there’s a lot of stuff that’s not in my conscious awareness for a very good reason, that it’s not meant to be there, that doesn’t… it’s not… that’s not…

KRIS: It is not your preference, nor your focus.

JOHN: Yes!

KRIS: And that is also fine. You may wish to only eat a certain slice of the pie, and the other to you may be considered at another time.

JOHN: So I guess what I’m coming… the question, the comment is… that our real focus here in the physical expression is our conscious awareness on a daily basis.

KRIS: That is why you have created the conscious mind.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: You utilize it as a lens, as a filter, as a tool. Through its miraculous construction you can view your creations via the auspices of physical reality as a confirmation of what you believe.

JOHN: Right. Now, the downside though if I may be so bold, is that the conscious mind really obscures the subconscious to a great degree.

KRIS: Only if you maintain that veil.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: Many of you have a accepted the idea that once you have thrown your last dice, that is the end of the road, that your life is forever fated to oblivion. And even after physical disengagement, for as long as you maintain that idea, that may indeed feel to you as if that is what has occurred until you begin to realize that there is an observer, as in your dreams there is an observer, there is a part of you that watches you, entertaining the belief that there is nothing else after your physical disengagement.

JOHN: And it’s got a little smile on his face.

KRIS: Indeed!

(Laughter)

KRIS: And it waits for you to recognize it and for you to say “wait a minute! If I can observe myself at acting as if I have been relegated to oblivion, then what is going on here?” It may mean that oblivion is not what it is all cracked up to be.

JOHN: Right.

(Alan’s laughing)

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Perfect sense, thank you.

KRIS: So your job is simply to be.

JOHN: Well it’s not such a hard job after all.

KRIS: Indeed and with that we thank you for your wonderful and patient and meaningful consideration, it means to us, and perhaps more than you could consider. And with that we return Joseph to you and thank Hugh and Randy on Thatradio for the opportunity to share such meaningful things.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

MARK: And thank you Alan, you did a great job out there.

ALAN: Oh you bet, lot of fun.

MARK: Thanks to the Skypies. No, that’s not an illness.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Oh that was a very interesting session tonight wasn’t it?

MARK: Yeah I think that was a great one, it was meaningful.

ALAN: I just realized that that grinning face in my dreams isn’t John after all.

JOHN: Oh, who is it?

ALAN: (chuckling) It’s my Inner Self!

JOHN: Oh good!

SERGE: I think our inner selves are all like the Cheshire cat.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Okay, on that note, goodnight kids!

(Session ends)

You are the Meaning of Life

November 27, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Theresa Smart
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 27, 2007

Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip) and a group from S.O.Y. Essence

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. Accessing the previous discussions that you have engaged certainly shows that you are very curious, intelligent and that you are looking for answers to many of life’s mysteries, events, and goings-on. And one of the most sought after situations are those that generate a sense of peace, joy and happiness and, above all else, a sense of fulfillment. Would you agree to this? That these are some of life’s greatest motivators? And in that light, it might be of interest for all of you to ponder what we will discuss and bring to you.

Now you may have heard, and even begun to believe yourself, that life is a string or series of difficulties and challenges, that life may even be cruel, uncaring, that you have to fight for your existence, that happiness is difficult to come by and when you think you have it in your hands it escapes, or when you have some moments of happiness and joy you must wait for the other shoe to drop because something will rob you of your happiness and joy; that you must search high and low and everywhere in between for something, someone, some situation to bring you fulfillment as if it is something ethereal, something that is very difficult to find. And yet, in so many ways, that is often what you end up experiencing through life and it seems indeed to confirm the stories you have heard and the ideas you now begin to form in your mind about what life is and is not.

And that puts you in a very particular place indeed, even a very fortunate place indeed, for as hard to believe as it is, being in that kind of a place or space, actually gives you, each and every one of you, the opportunity to create something entirely different. How many of you end up experiencing what you do not want out of life? How many of you may even wish things were very different so that you can experience some happiness and some joy, some sense of fulfillment, so that you can understand what life is about, what is the meaning of life, and is there indeed any meaning to life at all? Are you fated to live and die, your entire experience wiped out, buried by the undertaker, or is there something more that you can do to actually affect a tremendous, even radical, difference not only in the life that you want, but in the way you want to love life? And yes, there is. There is something you can each do. In fact, you need not run to everyone for the answers to life, nor do you need to wait ‘til your dying breath to understand the meaning of life. In fact we would tell you that such knowledge already exists within each and every one of you, closer to you than your own thoughts. So close to you indeed, that you might not be able to see it, in exactly the same way you might not be able to see the forest for the trees.

And those kinds of answers or secrets indeed make a powerful impact in what kind of experiences you live tomorrow, the rest of the week, the rest of this year, next year, into the next decade and beyond – that you have the power to transform your existence much more rapidly than you thought and it is not something you must earn. It is not something you must beg for. It is not anything you must do penance for, or seek liberation and even enlightenment for, though capitalizing on this knowledge will definitely bring you a kind of enlightenment because it will bring you the kind of fulfillment you may have dreamt of but at the same time believed that this kind of fulfillment may indeed forever escape you.

This kind of knowledge is not the kind of teachings that are offered in many philosophies, many religions or even different spiritualities. You may have heard or read that there is something that you must clean from yourself in order to receive some grace, some benefits, some blessing from some source outside yourselves. And these kinds of teachings, though very pretty and flowery, actually cannot give you the answer. But we will give you that answer. And it is that, for as long as you continue to search for the meaning of life outside of your experience, outside of yourselves, you will need to keep looking for it under rocks, in the clouds, in the books, and in teachings and may still never find it. And the meaning of the life, the meaning of life that you may seek here, there and everywhere, is so close to you that you could literally be sitting on it. Any ideas what that might be? And no, it is not your derriere. [Laughter]

FEMALE: No, but like, our pain, maybe? That’s what I guess, that’s what pops in my mind. No?

KRIS: You can get beyond your pain. Any other comments, ideas?

PERSON: I think it’s like obviously about growing and developing?

KRIS: That is an experience of life, yes. Anyone else? Even yourself?

FEMALE: Love of the self?

KRIS: That is a good answer, yes. Where do you seek for the meaning of life? Do you seek it in the books, in teachings, in philosophies, in religions, in spiritualities and so on? And all of these things may give you little pieces of the puzzle but none of them can actually present the whole puzzle. We can tell you this, that if you were to look in the mirror, and ask yourself what the meaning of life is, what do you think your answer would be?

FEMALE: To actually, like, preserve life?

KRIS: Repeat?

FEMALE: To preserve life?

KRIS: In fact, the questions about the meaning of life and the meaningfulness of life, has more or less enticed and perhaps even plagued almost every great philosopher and not-so-great philosopher since your history has been recorded. And most teachings of one kind or another usually only give you hints and breadcrumbs on that subject matter. But what is usually not discussed is that each and every one of you IS the meaning of life – YOU are the meaning of life as you are and as you are, and as each and every one of you is. THAT is the meaning of life, over and above any kind of teaching that your world and your world’s history could possibly present.

The whole of the universe, more or less, squeezes itself into the atoms and the molecules that compose the cells of your body and expresses itself through each of your lovely eyes, and ears and noses and bodies, through the personalities that you are. And the whole of the universe, seen and unseen, seeks to know itself through the expressions of your being. And that is why we say that you, each and every one of you IS the meaning of life.

And if you ponder the depth of that, and then allow deeper thoughts still to percolate to the surface of your conscious mind from the depth of your soul, the depth of your unconscious or inner self, you may indeed find that the energy unleashed from that kind of liberation can assist you and you can utilize it to transform the rest of your existence. Because it means that the answers that you seek are here, they are not hidden away in the minds of the great thinkers. The answers you seek are not hidden away in sacred texts and writings. All of these can only give you hints, they can only whisper where X marks the spot on the treasure map, but you have forgotten that you are the X that marks the spot on the treasure map.

And if you take this deeply into consideration, then you have at your disposal knowledge and tools and resources through this knowledge to make of life what you want it to be in a meaningful way that enhances what you desire to be. You may, as many people do, say things like, “I want to be myself. I am myself. Why don’t you be yourself?” Who is that self? What is that self? Is it only what you see in the mirror through your physical eyes, what you touch with your hands? These things are the physical expression of a much larger consciousness – your being, if you wish – most of which is not expressed in physical reality but you have access to a larger amount of wisdom and knowledge. And the key to accessing is understanding that each and every one of you IS the meaning of life.

And as we suggested moments ago, making use of that information, and applying it to your lives, your desires, your intention, can be a powerful resource. Knowing then, that you are the meaning of life, knowing that, as such, you have at your disposal the energies of the universe as that universe is expressed through your being. You are not destined to be limited by any of your beliefs; beliefs in inequities and guilt and shames about your being – that you actually have the power to break those chains and that you have the creativity and the energy whenever you put your minds to it to form your reality.

And herein is the second, the greatest secret of all – all of the inner experiences and thoughts that you hold, your feelings, your emotions, your feeling-tones are additional tools and resources that help shape and form the world that you experience. You are not fated to experience the world as if it is being imposed upon you and you are left holding the bag, as it were – on the contrary. If you consider instead that even physical reality, what your senses, your eyes, your ears, your body, encounters in the form of physical reality, is instead the confirmation of all of what you believe, then you have here a second key to truly become masters of what you call your destiny. Instead of considering that you are fated or destined to live such and such an experience, consider instead that the experiences of your life are reflecting back to you what you believe about your life. And in many ways physical reality is a mirror for your subjective experience. And that it is created by you to show you, in this area you might have to revise some of your ideas and beliefs about life and your life in particular. And in this area you are creating something marvelous and why don’t you continue banking on that kind of energy so that here you can bring some balance.

And considering that physical reality is a confirmation of your thoughts and your beliefs, then it is easier, much easier, to understand the contents of your subjective mind. And then you can easily, as easily as the mechanic, lift the hood and fix the engine, as it were. So you too, by observing existence as it is displayed before you, can notice where you might like to make some alterations, some modifications, or even outright renovations of the manner of the thoughts and the kinds of mental habits you entertain.

If you consider that your subconscious mind and the world of your thoughts as the Thinker, and physical reality through the auspice of your conscious mind as the Maker, then you might have additional pieces of the puzzle at your disposal. So consider then, that your subconscious experience is the Thinker – that is where you assemble all of the pieces. And your conscious mind is the Maker – that it puts together the pieces you give it and creates then the experiences that you go through, pleasant or unpleasant is not the issue. If it is unpleasant to you, then you have the means to make any kind of change you desire by going back to the Thinker, becoming aware of the pieces that you then give the Maker.

FEMALE: Can I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

FEMALE: Some questions that have come out of this circle for the last two weeks have been about how we might respond when people aren’t kind to us and we want to be angry or need to accept feelings to be angry to defend ourselves. If we are truly to love ourselves and see ourselves as the meaning of life how might we respond in a world that doesn’t see us…

KRIS: Indeed, an extremely valid inquiry and one that most human beings experience often, almost on a daily basis. And from our perspective, since we have brought about the idea of the Thinker and the Maker, it would then stand to reason that, somehow or other, you have a part to play in that kind of a scenario, would it not?

FEMALE: Yes.

KRIS: And under that premise, it is often much easier to, say, express anger at another – at the other over there, at the government, at the police, at the machine or the man, as it were. Does that make sense to you? Indeed. And still, on the premise that you are both the Thinker and the Maker, it would also stand to reason that you project self-directed angers, resentments, disappointments in your own idealized self or life, and it is expressed as anger or resentment towards others.

And when others express anger towards you, know first hand and first and foremost, that their anger is sourced from their own self. They are expressing anger or resentment or disappointment but cannot accept that it is towards their own life. Does that make sense?

Now what about the part where you are supposedly the recipient of said anger or resentment, because that is also part of the dance or the play? And still, you would have had to play a certain part in that engagement and it may very well be to make you aware of your own suppressed or denied angers or resentments, or disappointments in an ideal life that cannot often be made possible. Does that make sense to you?

FEMALE: I think so. These challenges are to teach us.

KRIS: In many respects yes. They should teach you where you come from. And even with that, it teaches something more profound indeed, especially concerning angers and resentments. Even though everyone idealizes and philosophizes and romanticizes about love, the majority of human beings are frightened of it because it is often expressed as a sign of vulnerability or weakness. One has to protect oneself lest their heart be broken. Does that also make sense to you?

So human beings tend to then create shields and masks to protect what they consider perhaps weak within themselves, without realizing that in actuality love is the greatest source of strength and power there is in that very way. So when the shields and the masks and the barricades and the cement walls go up around the human heart and the loving experience, then that creates a certain vacuum, in a manner of speaking, wherein then anger and resentment set in. And if you can generate any anger at anyone, and yourselves included, given the slightest bit of thought, see through the walls and the masks and the shield and you will find that you actually love others and yourselves much more than you are willing to admit but you want to protect yourself. And when others seem to scratch at your protective armor, you may psychologically slap their hand away or even punch their lights out, because that may make you vulnerable. So you set up protection, you erect defenses against the very thing that you want the most – to be loved and to love.

And by understanding that [with emphasis] YOU ARE THE MEANING OF LIFE, not only that you give life meaning but that YOU ARE the meaning of life, then you might be less tempted to erect barriers and protection against your heart and love, and be more prone to opening up that heart because you will realize that if another hurt you in that way it is only because you’ve allowed them. Because no one can make you feel anything, nor experience anything in any way, shape or form, than what you have allowed them to do to you.

And if you take that into consideration and begin to apply it, your experience of life will radically be different. If you can admit that you love others and yourself, where respect, admiration, appreciation and even wonderment at the being that you are, at the beautiful, enchanted being that you are, and that you have such a power that you love others and yourself, then why would there be any need to protect yourself, as others would then reflect your lovely experience? Since what you work out in here with what we have described as the Thinker, to give the Maker the pieces to put your reality together, is based not on fear but instead on love, then you can expect that that is what will begin to be your experience, and especially when you put your minds to seeking the confirmation.

As we have suggested earlier, your physical world is your confirmation of the thoughts and the beliefs and the ideas that you entertain. So if your thoughts and ideas, feeling-tones and emotions are based on the fearless love of life, then that is what you can begin to expect. Does that make sense? Now the question is, which of you is daring enough, gutsy enough, even ballsy enough to begin to apply that, to put it into practice? To go to sleep tonight and even gently suggest to yourself that you will think upon these words, you will think upon the potentials that these words carry and ask your dream self to start putting into motion such a radical transformation of your life. That is our humble and perhaps even not so humble challenge to each of you. Will you let others tell you what the meaning of your life is, or will YOU be the meaning of your life? You do not all have to answer at once, nor answer now, but for all intents and purposes our humble desire is for you to ponder on these things. Consider their possibilities and see where you can begin to apply it for yourselves.

MALE: You suggest that nobody can cause us pain.

KRIS: Repeat?

MALE: You suggest that nobody can cause us pain because it appears to be only the case emotionally.

KRIS: Depending upon how you put the pieces of your puzzle together. So if you believe, strongly as well, that others are out to get you, that others will cause you physical harm, that you are the target of such experiences in one form or another, then your Maker if you wish, has to put those thoughts together so that you experience what you hold in your subconscious – that is the programming you put there. Does that make sense to you?

FEMALE: Can you repeat that?

KRIS: Indeed. Each of you instill programming in your minds all the time – twenty four on twenty four, seven on seven, three hundred and sixty five on three hundred and sixty five. You do not and cannot stop thinking. If you try to stop thinking, what do you experience? More thoughts on thinking, correct? It is impossible to negate thought. But what is it that you think about during the day?

MALE: Events of the day, more often than not.

KRIS: Think about the inner dialog that you have in your mind – the things you tell yourself. You may think about going to the theater. That is at the surface-most level of your conscious mind. But if you begin to pay attention to inner dialog, the conversations you have with yourself, what do you tell yourself? Honestly, sincerely.

FEMALE: I tell myself that I [inaudible].

KRIS: And is that what you hear back?

FEMALE: What do you mean?

MALE: You literally hold conversations in your mind.

KRIS: And what are those conversations in your mind centered around?

FEMALE: My school life, like… people, people in my life, I guess.

KRIS: That is again at the surface. There are other kinds of conversations that you hold deeper inside that you are aware of, all of you are aware of those.

FEMALE: When you said that every day …

KRIS: Every day you hold conversations, yes.

FEMALE: I don’t get to the point where it actually talks to me back [inaudible]

KRIS: If you do something that you judge is wrong, what do you tell yourself?

FEMALE: I tell myself that it was wrong and that I can listen to my positive voices [inaudible]

KRIS: How many negative inner discussions, how many negative inner discussions do you hold?

FEMALE: I think as many as positive but I just hear the negative.

KRIS: Indeed, that is what we are driving at. That each of you… [Other voices heard in background] Can this be discussed later?

MALE: Yes.

FEMALE: Sorry.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, every human being takes the conversations and the things that have been told them, principally by the parents, and then by the rest of the familial unit and then by other trusted individuals. How many of you may have been told, even from a very young age, that you are stupid, you are never going to grow up to be anything, and so on and so on and so on? Do you follow? That kind of programming is encouraged and enhanced almost daily. The things you tell yourself, the way you berate yourself or beat yourself up with. Does that make sense?

Now what do you think your experience of yourself and your life might be like if that programming changed? If, instead of the kind of negative inner discussions you are accustomed to, suddenly you hear that you are a worthwhile individual, that your dreams are worthwhile, that you are a lovely person, that you have potential, that anything you apply your mind to you can accomplish within the realm of possibilities? How would that make you feel? And would you be then more tempted to open up your heart to life, knowing that you will not get hit over the head for the slightest perceived error or fault, that indeed you are a cherished person? What do you think that will provide you with?

FEMALE: [voice too quiet to hear]

KRIS: You can begin to understand it but it would certainly be a different inner experience. In fact if you all put your minds to it, you can very powerfully take all of that old negative programming that is caught in a loop in your minds, that seems to run on and on, perhaps like we do, but you can take all of that old negative programming and pretend that you are putting it in a bag, perhaps one of your lovely green garbage bags. And you take it to the curb on garbage day, not before or after. And then you see that garbage truck come by, pick it up, throw it in the truck, crush it and move on, taking away perhaps even a good portion of all of that negative conditioning that you have and that you play in your mind, leaving you room – psychological room – to spread your wings to experience programming that you want to put in there. Because it is often difficult to write over something that already exists, is it not? For example it is difficult to write a CD [compact disc] that already is burned. But if you take the old CD out of the burner and put in a new one, then you can write something else.

So if you consider that your subconscious mind in many ways is like a CD, that you can take out the old and put in the new, you might be left with some incredible surprises. It takes between twenty one and thirty one days only to instill a new program. The programs that are running in your minds have been there for years if not decades. Imagine only twenty one to thirty one days to burn a new program in your subconscious mind. How liberating can that be, how empowering can that be? Does that make sense to you?

Again our challenge is, are you willing to experiment with this information? We do not ask that you believe a single word we said. Indeed, you might think that everything we have said so far is good old Scottish shite, but do keep in mind even Scottish shite can make the heather grow. Does that make sense?

FEMALE: Yeah it does. I just don’t know what heather is.

MALE: A flower.

FEMALE: It grows in Scotland.

FEMALE: I don’t know about Scotland.

KRIS: Scotland is north of England. Now then, you can take this information and forget it because again, we do not ask that you believe a single word we said. Or you can take the words we have shared with you, ponder them, and begin applying it in one way or another, in a way that befits you, in a manner that you can then begin to expect confirmation through your experiences. It is a relatively simple process, but it can also be challenging. What is the time?

MARK: Anybody?

FEMALE: Ten after eight.

KRIS: Then we suggest a very nice little break, and when we come back we will deal with your inquiries.

PARTICIPANT: I love your accent.

KRIS: You are most welcome. Now enjoy your break.
[Start second audio file]
FEMALE: There are a lot of us. We might not all get to ask a question. One person is asking me if I can ask a question for him, something about feeling exposed, if that’s okay.

SERGE: Claire, if you’re on a time constraint, or if you have a ceiling on your time, that’s fine. I’m not so concerned about it. You know, so whatever you’re comfortable with. I mean as long as I get to go home before midnight.

[Some muffled conversation]

SERGE: Okay?

KRIS: Now we trust that you have enjoyed your little break and that you have thought of many things and that you have at least formulated an… one or two questions, or would you like to do the honors and ask a question?

MARK: Ask loudly.

FEMALE: On behalf of someone else in the room, “I’ve been possessed by a devil passed on to me from someone else. I don’t know what to do with it. It makes me feel like a puppet on a string. How can I find inner peace and become one?”

KRIS: Indeed, that is quite a loaded question, and one that should be given much consideration. It is not something that can be resolved in one or two minutes within an answer, however, know that for as much as you’ve tried to suppress your emotions and yourself, and as much as you think that some parts of you are “tainted”, and as long as you continue to fight what you consider is soiled within yourself, you may continue having some challenges in this area. But the minute you embrace your whole self, the entire self, the minute you embrace even what you consider those parts of you filled with inequities and flaws, those parts of you that you consider tainted and soiled, the minute you embrace your whole self you will begin to understand your personality and what it is to have a balance of power within the political arena, or the conflicts you have set up in your experience of self.

It is a very heavy subject matter but not beyond your abilities to put into context. Understand that you are the master, the creator of your experiences, and for as long as you want to entertain the notion that you are not responsible for your life or certain aspects of your life, it will seem that parts of your life are not yours, as if it comes from elsewhere. Your experience is the result of your beliefs and your programming, even that which you think must not be part of your experience of life will continue to be so until you settle with it. Those aspects of your personality need not be overpowering nor do you need to feel the underdog or the puppet. You are both puppet master and puppet in this instance. You have simply bifurcated your experiences. We call that pseudo-schizophrenia. It is a condition that you have set up in your own mind and it can be undone as easily as you have done it. And that can only be resolved by finding the true place of your own power, and the true place of your power is what we have described before.

Any more in depth would take up too much time and this is something extremely delicate and tender. We can provide further assistance. You can discuss that with Joseph.

Any other, perhaps lighter, questions?

FEMALE: I’m sexist. I don’t like men, and I have a really hard time feeling, um, sad. Please help me.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, you are definitely not alone and there are many men who also do not like men. Do consider that you have male characteristics within your personality and that makes it perhaps even more conflicting. And it is more so the male characteristics within your personality that you rail against. If you began to accept yourself both as female and male, as a whole person; a resplendent, vibrant, even sacred being, not attaching any particular preference towards male or female expressions of your energy but just be, you might find it much easier to embrace the rest of the world and consider the world is not a scary place, no more than you are scary. Does that make sense to you? In other words, can you love yourself?

FEMALE: Uh, yeah, I’ll try to love my other half.

KRIS: Indeed.

FEMALE: Is it Andy? [Asking for clarification on what Kris just said]

KRIS: I n d e e d [clearly enunciating].

FEMALE: Oh, ‘indeed’. I thought you said ‘Andy’. [Laughter]

KRIS: Since you are already slightly conflicted with masculine energies, your own in particular, we would not give you an Essence name that reflects masculinity.

FEMALE: That’s my husband’s name.

KRIS: We will call you Andrea.

FEMALE: Ooooooh! [Laughter] Sweet deal, thanks!

KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries? Indeed [acknowledging someone].

MALE: I actually want to know what my Essence name is and if there’s anything you can tell me about my gifts or talents that I [coughing blocks voice]…this world as myself.

KRIS: Indeed. You have, though you might be aware of it or not, a study or slight research into varieties of Oriental cultures might bring an interest to you. You have spent several lifetimes in Asiatic cultures. So we will call you Lompak.

As to certain gifts, you wish to be very compassionate but you are also afraid of compassion. More specifically, that if you are compassionate towards others it might not be returned, you might see no reflection of your compassion brought home. Does that make sense to you? So we simply offer to you that you be compassionate towards your compassion and not be so harsh on yourself. You might find a great interest in studying certain Buddhist philosophies, especially on compassion. Learn what you can about what is called ‘a compassionate Buddha’. It might spark ancient memories within your soul.

Indeed [acknowledging someone else].

FEMALE: Um, I was wondering where my soul comes from and also where the name Sarah comes from?

KRIS: We do wish to make a distinction and we understand that it is popular to consider that you have a soul. Certain religious bodies teach that you have a soul, as if it is like a puppy that you must care for, for your entire life. The distinction we wish to make is that, unlike those ideas, you might consider for a moment that you ARE the soul expressed through flesh and blood. That you are eternal and immortal beings. That you have existed even before what you consider the beginning of time. And you will continue to BE, but perhaps in another form and that in this moment, in this point in time, in this present experience, the soul that you are intersects time and space and you manifest portions of your eternal energy as the physical selves that you are now. So that you, through your lovely personalities, express traits and characteristics that are also found in your other larger self, the soul. And it is not something you need to water like a plant to see it grow, but it is something that you can open your eyes to and see within your experience.

As to where your soul comes from, it always has been, always will be. It may take experiences in other time, other space, even other dimensions, but it is not of any specific dimension. Does that make some sense to you?

You may spend some time, again, say in Europe, and then in Egypt, and then in Africa, but it does not necessarily mean that you are from those places, though you have been there. Do you follow? So what you call the soul, yourself, may have had many lifetimes, perhaps even in other places quite distinct from this one, but it does not mean that that is where you’re from. You are an eternal and immortal being, so you could say that you are from ‘Eternal and Immortal Land’, as it were. Does that make sense to you?

And from our perspective, ‘Sarah’ is a contraction of a larger or longer name that you have had, specifically in ancient Egypt. So the memories are still dim and you may need to pay more attention, notice more. Does that answer your enquiry?

FEMALE: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. There was a question or two or three or four here.

FEMALE: I wanted to know what the name of my closest guardian is, and is that person um…. yeah, what is the name of my closest guardian and is that, like, entity with me now?

KRIS: What you call guardians or guardian angels, we understand that there is an entire spiritual and even metaphysical body of literature and exploration on the subject matter. What it fails to address is that your personalities are composed of many different aspects. You understand that principle?

FEMALE: That my personality is layered.

KRIS: Indeed, is layered or composed of many different aspects, in the same way that your body is not just the body. It is composed of organs and systems, limbs, a brain, altogether express who you are in those terms. But you are more than the sum of all of your parts. You are more than just a nose, or an eye, or a liver, or a leg, correct? In the same way, your personality is composed of many aspects. Each one of them may hold different traits and characteristics, tendencies, desires and so on, even conflicting ones. Some of those aspects we refer to as higher aspects simply for the purpose of differentiation, and they are aspects of your own energies that more or less keep an eye out on you and offer you advice, suggestions, through intuitions, dreams and so on. Not that most human beings are prone to actually listening to the advice. It is a simple quirk in the human personality that they do not listen to the best advice offered them often, but when they do it is an extraordinary experience.

So what you refer to as your guardian angel, your spirit guides, all of these things are actually aspects of your higher self, your Essence.

FEMALE: What’s my Essence name?

KRIS: We would call you Morocco, for the simple fact that there are loads of ancient knowledge within your own sub-conscious mind that belongs to a civilization that stretched far into the eastern Egyptian lands as well as far into the eastern and western parts of that continent a long time ago. You were a priestess that saw to it that your charges were educated in the ways of the goddess, in the ways of life, a type of life or a style of life that no longer is present in this world, where people literally understood that they were the stewards of the planet, not the reapers of its riches. Does that make sense to you?

FEMALE: That makes sense. Thank you.

KRIS: So there is parts of that knowledge still within your sub-conscious mind and that may sometimes percolate to the top of your personality, where you are prone to feel outrage at some of the things that are done to the earth, as well as you are at other times feeling very protective and want to assist others. Does that make sense to you as well? So you can ask, before you go to sleep, that your dream self, your inner dream self can take you into those parts of the memories that you have within your sub-conscious mind. Everything is there. And perhaps in your dreams you might have glimpses, peeks at the particular lifetime. And if you are curious enough you will get glimpses of it. Does that answer your inquiry?

FEMALE: Yeah, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Yes [indicating to someone].

FEMALE: I’d like to know what my Essence name is and am I on a particular path that I’m supposed to be on?

KRIS: You are always where you make yourself to be. You cannot be somewhere you are not meant to be in that respect. Does that answer that part? Perhaps, what can make your journey even more interesting and powerful for you is to develop a keen sense of the art of noticing. Not only noticing what is out in the world, but noticing what you do in here. What kind of thoughts and feelings and emotions and tones that you generate in your being. Perhaps even tracking your intuitions, seeing where they come from, your gut feelings and you have many of them. Pay attention to them because, after all, even science has now admitted that they are real. So it is legitimate now, you cannot escape them. Even though people have been paying attention to their gut feeling for thousands and millions of years, it is now officially okay to do so.

As for an Essence name, we will call you Chandra. It is a Sanskrit name for the moon and in particular for you because in India you were always drawn to look at and even write little stories and poems about the moon, especially lovers making love under the moon. We trust that answers your inquiry. You had an inquiry [indicating to someone else].

QUESTIONER: I have what many would consider to be an unhealthy fascination and fondness for death and I have no desire for my life to end prematurely and I don’t even have a distaste for life but I am excited by [muffled words].

KRIS: It is with birth, death, are the two extremes of the human experience. Whatever happens in between is sometimes considered to be second-hand experience almost for some, and since you asked then we may answer you – a part of your fascination for death is that you have seen it many times for many people together. And it is a part of your experience that you still ponder. You have expressed that you do not have a dislike for life but you didn’t specifically say that you also LIKE life so you are on the fence, as it were. And even in death it has to be acknowledged that life and death are a process. And in some of your experiences your deaths came so quickly, you barely had time to understand the process itself. So it still, in a certain way, haunts you. It seems to draw you like the bottom of a cliff draws the person at the top, until they pull away. Do you follow? Even though you might at times consider it an abyss, consider that an exploration of death is not always unhealthy as long as you put it in perspective and understand where, on the map of life, it stands. Does that make sense to you?

QUESTIONER: It does.

KRIS: And you can, just as easily embrace death as you can life. We trust that this answers your inquiry.

QUESTIONER: Um hum.

KRIS: Indeed.

FEMALE: Um, I wanted to know also what my Essence name is, but also about my spiritual quest or whatever it is that I’m after right now; what I should be doing differently or not.

KRIS: There is not anything specific that you should or should not be doing. You need to do what you feel you need to do, and to be at peace with your own quest. Again take to heart, perhaps, what we have offered as what the meaning of life is – that you are the meaning of life and of your life.

And we will call you Buddha, not because you were Buddha, but because in some other lifetimes it was a philosophy that you followed perhaps too strictly, dogmatically. It does happen to some Buddhists you know, just like it happens to followers of other religious teachings. And in this lifetime, when you sense there are too many rules and restrictions, you are out of there. Does that make sense to you? In fact we would even say to some degree too many rules, too many restrictions and they lose you. It is something you dislike, as you would dislike being chained. Is that correct?

FEMALE: Yeah, thank you.

KRIS: On the one hand you might play with the idea of embracing even the limitations and restrictions, not because they would stifle you but because they show you the way to your greater freedom, explore the opposites. Does that make sense? Indeed. There was another question in this corner?

QUESTIONER: Yeah, sorry I was wondering, I have some hidden talents and they’re like in there but I want them to come out. So how do I get them out, and [muffled words]?

KRIS: Can you clarify?

QUESTIONER: Um I have hidden talents that I don’t know what they are and I want to, like, open them up and activate them.

KRIS: What is it that you desire to do? If you could do anything in the entire world, what would you do?

QUESTIONER: Well I’m, my mind’s kind of boggled, so I need to clear my head. I don’t have – see that’s the thing.

KRIS: Choose one thing.

QUESTIONER: Oh yeah! Actually I want to be a health inspector.

KRIS: And is there anything in the world that would prevent you from doing that?

QUESTIONER: Um, I’m not taking science. I stopped taking it after grade ten and I haven’t been in school in a long time, so I mean…

KRIS: To pursue your dream would you be willing to explore the possibility of applying a slight bit of discipline and following whatever it takes to accomplish your dream?

QUESTIONER: Of course.

KRIS: Then perhaps you can begin there.

QUESTIONER: I’m not sure if I really like that. I don’t know, sometimes I think I have two opposites, two sides.

KRIS: Then choose one.

QUESTIONER: Hum?

KRIS: Choose one and see what it gives you.

QUESTIONER: But how do I get those things that are like, inside of me, get them out?

KRIS: You must begin somewhere. You might say, for instance, pretend there is someone you know who wants to go on a journey. They want to travel, they want to walk, but they do not know where they want to go. And then they become worried but not knowing where to go becomes so overwhelming they don’t go anywhere, ever.

QUESTIONER: So you think I must take a risk before I actually see results.

KRIS: Yes. So, regardless of where the journeying person wants to go they at least have to take a few steps out the door and then pick a direction.

QUESTIONER: And then how do you know if you’re going in the right direction or can you change, once you’re like, is it like you’re on the right track?

KRIS: You do not have to have the absolute rightness there before you do anything. Again you must take the risk and see what you want to do.

QUESTIONER: So like, even like, moving out of Toronto and just going somewhere by myself, would like that, like that risk?

KRIS: That is your prerogative, but you must take at least a few steps out the door.

QUESTIONER: But not stupid steps right? Not like leave myself, like…, must have a safety net, right?

KRIS: Again, that is something you must design.

FEMALE: I think we have time for one more question from someone who hasn’t spoken. [Some muffled conversation]

KRIS: But she may have a most interesting question that she has been keeping for the desert.

FEMALE: Okay so I’m just going to ask it. What exactly is Luka and is that a path that I want to follow?

ANOTHER FEMALE: Luka – what’s that?

FEMALE: That’s my question.

KRIS: What is it to you? What does it mean to you?

FEMALE: That name came from a dream that I had ten years ago.

KRIS: It is not necessarily a path. If you, say, meditate upon that dream experience…

FEMALE: I only remember the name.

KRIS: That is fine. You can ask your subconscious because it remembers everything, and that is why, by the way, we often suggest that you be kind and compassionate to yourselves, especially in what you tell yourselves. Because your subconscious mind remembers everything you tell yourself and most of you would not want to become many of the things you tell yourself. Now, you can ask your subconscious mind, your inner self, to bring back that experience. It is connected to a life that you experienced as a young boy, we believe in Hungary during the invasion of the Nazis. It was not necessarily a most pleasant experience, but that young boy understands that he needs to heal some of his memories from that experience. And you have, whether you know this fully or not, you have potential to work in that area; to bring healing to his memories and to your own. We might even suggest that you investigate certain modalities such as Reiki, Emotional Freedom Technique and other gentle modalities that can assist you and then others to heal their own wounds. Healers are often wounded themselves. Do you follow?

FEMALE: Yeah they do.

KRIS: And healers can make wonderful friends. And interestingly enough, healers understand the wounds of others, again, because they themselves have been wounded and can offer great assistance to others. So our humble suggestion is to investigate what you can along those lines.

How is everything for time?

[Muffled conversation]

KRIS: Then likely make many copies of your car keys. [Laughter]

FEMALE: Who has a question who hasn’t asked a question yet?

KRIS: There are two so perhaps we can quickly address both if that is alright.

[Some conversation to determine who gets to ask a question]

FEMALE: I want to know my Essence name and also I met people in my life and like, the moment that I see them, I know that I know them, and it’s like beyond like anything that I can…

KRIS: Indeed. And it is a very common experience for many people though it is not often broadcast from the rooftops, but it is a common experience and it has nothing to do with recent explanations about the brain going wonky.

FEMALE: Is it significant?

KRIS: It is, in a way, a recognition of these people as having been part of your other lives. Some people you recognize because they also show up in your dreams.

FEMALE: Oh my God!

KRIS: And you are far more intuitive than you give yourself credit for, because you do not want to be ridiculed. As for an Essence name, we will call you Pink Flower [laughter], simply because you have had several very interesting lifetimes in Japan – once as a Geisha, once as a warrior. However, in both lifetimes, you had a fascination for apple and cherry blossoms. They represented to you the quintessence of prettiness, balance and peace. Even as a warrior you disliked warfare. You had thought that learning the art of warfare would bring peace but it did not. Does that make sense to you, Pink Flower?

FEMALE: Nice!

KRIS: Indeed. We will not call you flower anything [addressing someone else].

MALE: Ever since I was a child, even right up ‘til now, I’ve had, like, intense memories and feelings of deja vu that I feel are connected to a past life, that I know didn’t happen in this life.

KRIS: Indeed.

MALE: And every time I think of them I feel very happy and I feel very influenced by this past life, like, almost like it was so important that I can’t live up to it in this life due to circumstances.

KRIS: The way we would describe these other lives and their influences is not unlike the gentle waves of the ocean lapping at the beach, leaving small indents in the sand, each wave creating new indents in the sand. So the wave creates an influence on the sand but it is not permanent. It does not define the beach. Do you understand? So, in other terms, these other memories can exert a certain impression upon you and bring up feeling-tones but they do not define who you are. You define who you are. And you bring those memories into your experience because they are significant to you.

There are other memories, one in particular of a monk in France, in the south of France, where you are a most educated, intelligent person. More so than other people around you, so in some respects you were at times a little snooty. But you were also often overwhelmed with a deep compassion for other peoples and their predicaments. And following the tenets of your religious education you made it your vow to assist as many people as possible. In this lifetime, when people ask too much of you, you retreat and you do not necessarily know how to deal with, when others cross that threshold. And it would be significant for you to learn how to gently and firmly and politely say no. ‘No’ has a lot of power and it depends on how it is used. Setting up boundaries could benefit you greatly. And if you study writings about ancient monastic life it may bring more memories to you, but it is by no means an encouragement for you to become a monk. You might not like that. Indeed. Yes [indicating to another person].

QUESTIONER: I’d like to know what my Essence name is and I’m trying to make this like not so discombobulated. I’m at this very weird, frustrating point in my life. I feel very overwhelmed with what’s going on in society and, I mean, I really want to go out and, like, help people in developing countries, create sustainability for them, but there’s this, I feel like, I don’t know what to do, like. I don’t want to go to college and take the traditional route. But I just want to know, there’s like all these big ideas that are going on inside my head. I’m trying to figure out what’s happening with my life.

KRIS: Indeed. We understand. Perhaps more than you understand yourself, but that is a juicy, delicious dilemma you have created for yourself. You want to do many great things and feel that perhaps you are inadequate – not up to the task. AND the world somehow or other disappoints you. Our humble suggestion to you is, forget the world. Concern yourself with you. The world is not what disappoints you. You disappoint yourself. However behind the disappointment is a treasure chest and that is what you need to unlock. And that treasure chest is filled with potential, is filled with great ideas, filled with compassion. And if you apply that to yourself, not to the world, but to yourself, learn to embrace who you are, you might discover that as a result, the world is a completely different creature. It is no longer feral. Do you follow?

As to your Essence name, we will call you Smiling Tree. [Laughter]

QUESTIONER: Oh my gosh!

KRIS: As an interesting connection with a native, or aboriginal lifetime where your culture revered the trees, not as ancestors in the sense that it is now understood, but as a means of teaching from the divine beings. That the trees taught many things to human beings and if people slept at the foot of a tree, they might gain in knowledge and wisdom. In many respects, you have heard stories of the Gautama Buddha, sitting at the foot of a Bodhi tree and becoming enlightened. Do you have any idea of this?

QUESTIONER: [muffled words]

KRIS: Nonetheless, there are many saintly people that claim that they have received some form of enlightenment or wisdom and knowledge, by that kind of action. It does not mean that you must now all go out and find a tree to sleep under. It is rather too cold, but there are many ancient stories of these things happening. The trees themselves are not simply pieces of wood, but they are – as you are physical expressions of your Essence – trees are manifestations of other beings. And in your reality they appear in that form but their original form is not tree-like at all, much more like light. Does that make sense to you? That particular culture still has a small number of people. They are from the high Andes in Peru, and they still consider themselves the stewards of the earth. We hope that this meets with your approval. See, even trees can smile. [Laughter]

Now then, how are we doing for time?

FEMALE: Can I please ask my Essence name, can I be selfish?

OTHER FEMALE: This is the very, very last question.

FEMALE: I’m sorry everyone. I really want to know.

KRIS: Your Essence name, at least that which we give you, is Red Cat. Specifically because of a lifetime you have enjoyed in Africa, where you had an interesting ability to soothe large cats – cats that would normally rather soothe their tummies with people food – literally. Does that make sense to you?

FEMALE: Um hum. Thank you.

KRIS: Now then, we have definitely been honored by your gentle energies, your inquiries, your questions and your intelligence. And above all else, if you remember anything from this discussion, it is that YOU are the meaning of life. And if you take that to heart, definitely things can be different. And we thank you for your gentle and deep consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

GROUP: Thank you.

[End of session]

Meaning and the Balance of Power

November 25, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 25, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Ellen, Tom S., Brian, Tom C., Lisa, Jerry, Anya, and Theresa

(7:47 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. Indeed we give you thanks for your lovely consideration. We would like to title this evening’s humble presentation “Meaning and the Balance of Power” and you would likely already understand that when we say, “humble little presentation” it might be far from. Just so that you are warned.

(Group chuckling)

Indeed there are so many different views and systems throughout your modern world — various political systems, government systems — and indeed you even have a very long history of utilizing and putting into effect varieties of these systems all in an effort to instill a certain kind of meaning or even meaningfulness to life. A certain goal, a certain purpose, a certain destiny as it were, providing some kind of framework or blueprint, philosophical or religious, though there are very few difference between the two, but you do make concerted efforts to apply a great number of different systems to that effect and people buy into them to various degrees whether out of faith or fear, say, at the end of a sword or gun.

And still these various systems take root, stay for awhile, evolve, and throughout all of these various experimentations, whether profitable, constructive — or the very opposite, even to the disastrous, at least in your terms — there is always a great many lessons learned, many observations to be discussed. And exploring what you call “history” as it were, provides you with valuable insights into these various systems, how they were implemented, how they were put into effect, how they were organized, how they came about.

You will always find, regardless of the history book or how revisionists have doctored the history books in one way or another, there is a common thread in the appearance and even the disappearance of these various systems and philosophies and civilizations that are based upon all of these explorations, and that is the quest for happiness and the quest for happiness follows the quest for meaning.

It is very often assumed that a particular political party or political system, religious system, points of views and philosophies, ideas and thought processes, schools of thoughts, that all of these and perhaps even more will provide the keys to finding the kind of happiness individuals might imagine as partaking of. This should all in some way stimulate you to grasp the larger play in effect here. It is not necessarily about one political system usurping another, or taking over, or one group staging a revolution taking over, only for them who fought and overthrew an oppressor to also becoming the very thing that they overthrew.

And that common thread that spans throughout all of your civilizations is not necessarily about worship or faith but about finding some kind of impetus that leads people to be happy, to be fulfilled, to acquire meaning in their lives. And it may be an odd measure to give all of these various events that have been in operation in your world for hundreds and thousands of years, it is not necessarily considered historical perspective, but nonetheless were you to look with a magnifying glass at the smaller details and the attempted outcomes, that is, we believe, what you will find: individuals unhappy with the present status quo — wherever their present in time and space is — trying to make an effective change from an undesirable situation towards a more desirable one where it is envisioned that happiness, meaning and fulfillment may actually now be able to flourish, only to find that the experiment might have been only partially successful or not successful at all.

The attempts usually in the creating a certain kind of utopian society and many such dreams and ideals are still fermenting within the minds of many groups around the world that perhaps a new group at a future time will find the right balance to create that harmony and sense of fulfillment that most so feel they desire, that they want. We might even say that, were it for its own sake, that it might work, but there are certain other elements at play here that in themselves actually prevent the kind of successes that are desired for the simple fact that attempts to rail against the machine, rail against “the man,” rail against the system, and so on and so forth in terms of history have always been present.

There is always something to rail against and there will always be until your entire civilization begins to comprehend that the balance of power is not going to manifest itself by one group usurping another, by one religion usurping another or one political party, but that instead the balance of power can only come about by the individual, himself or herself. In and of themselves, governments, government agencies, ruling parties and even their opposition are fine things indeed for the present worldview that they represent.

But if individuals awaken to a greater sensed reality and began to take stock of their present state of mind — that is, searching here, there and everywhere, high and low and every place in between for the means of a catalyst – the perfect agenda, the perfect party, the perfect religion – to create that happiness, that fulfillment, that meaning that they seek — they will find that it cannot come from any of these sources whatsoever but that instead look to themselves.

Such groupings of people and governments, religions, philosophies, political groups and parties will continue to flourish in that particular vein for as long as the groups, the people, the masses and the mobs continue to function on the premise that there is a high likelihood that all of life and the universe itself is completely devoid of meaning whilst at the same time they respond to an even more powerful inner strength and inner declaration of truth that insists with every fiber of their being from the inside out that the universe and life — everyone’s life, even and especially your lives and their lives — have a built-in recognition for this meaning, for meaningfulness, for value and fulfillment.

And up and until there is a sufficient momentum of that particular appreciation for the selves that you are, for the lives that you have created for yourselves and especially for the fact that not only are your actions and your feelings reflections on meaningfulness, on value and fulfillment, but the very fact that you ARE, that you exist, is a meaningful statement. It is a statement that shouts from every cell of your being, that the universe itself, that creation itself, is a meaningful event because you are meaningful individuals in a meaningful universe.

That even the fibers and the cells and the tissue that composes your bones and your blood and your veins and your brain and your body — all of that energy is saturated through and through with meaning, that you are a statement of meaning! Being who you are is meaningful!

And that your entire organism literally screams on that very subject matter whilst at the same time encountering your mental and conscious disbelief in this very issue, that you have been, in one way or another, trained and perhaps even indoctrinated into believing the opposite, into believing that life itself is a random event from the very beginning.

That the very beginning of life is purely random, that the universe itself is purely random, that if there is any meaning to anything at all it is merely and purely the survival of the species for the species’ own sake and nothing more and that after so many millennia or even longer, that all of this will collapse onto itself and you and your imagined meanings will be wiped out. Who do you think is going to win the struggle, the conflict? What do you think you will experience when so many ideas, ideals and philosophies and systems around you and within your society and even proposed by the apparent highest authorities in your world, your scientists and scientific minds, that this is the conclusions of the greatest minds in the present world?

It is no wonder that you do have struggle. It is at times a struggle that flows over the brim. The cup of struggle runneth over and spills through the masses onto the streets, making sincere attempts to revamp the system. And yes, these particular demonstrations in one way or another, may begin to assist in changing some small corner of your collective reality, but the changes do not seem to stick for an extremely long period of time. And again there is a need for another uprising of one kind or another.

All this because you could take a chance. You could wonder and ask yourself: What if all of the present assumptions of your collective, of your societies and cultures and civilizations were indeed based on experimentations that on the one hand have a certain amount of worth because you create them, but at the same time very important elements to the equation, very important ingredients to the recipe have been left out, have not been taken into consideration.

What if the balance of power that your present and even your past worlds are seeking, what if that balance of power does not lie within governments and politics and religions and philosophies but that it lies within the unified heart of the human species? What if the keys to that realization, to that understanding that there truly is a balance of power and it need not cause any bloodshed of any kind? What if that balance of power and the true source of power lies within the heart of the Orodin?

What if in the deepest mind of minds, in the deepest heart of hearts, you have been listening to the voices and hearing the secrets that lead to the kind of balance of power in your life all along? That you may even have chosen to quiet those voices or even sometimes silence those voices because those voices might be contradictory and contradicting the status quo, the apparent great authorities in your world. What if all of this knowledge and wisdom, to put into effect the great balance of power that you seek collectively is already within your hearts?

How would that affect YOU as an individual? And then as an individual how would you in turn affect the manifesting of your world and share that manifestation with others? Perhaps Philip would be kind enough to open the lines?

MARK: The line is open.

KRIS: Are there any questions or comments? Or did everyone fall asleep?

TOM C.: I’ll make a comment, Kris. It looks like, in our daily lives, we look for meaning and sometimes we find it and sometimes it just seems to go away. And what you’re telling us is that our perception of the world around us, and what the world around us is telling us, is that it has a root assumption somewhere built in that life is meaningless and it’s all random and that sometimes we just forget and we get lost in that whole status quo. Is that what I’m understanding here?

KRIS: Indeed. What do you imagine would happen to your life presently were you to awaken tomorrow morning and discover that you no longer chose to accept the status quo in that particular way? That instead you choose to believe whole-heartedly, even for one day, that not only is life and the universe meaningful and filled with meaning, but that you yourself, in your reality, are the perfect representation of that new belief, that you are basically an avatar of meaningfulness, the embodiment of that ideal?

TOM C.: I believe I would see evidence everywhere of a meaningful universe.

KRIS: Indeed!

BRIAN: There would also be a sense of elation along with that, and joy.

KRIS: It might even be a very quiet elation and joy, but one that still is very potent. What kind of things or events or feelings do you think might begin to appear in your world, what kind of coincidences as it were, would start to show on the map or on the radar of your consciousness?

TOM C.: Happiness?

BRIAN: Elation.

LISA: Peace.

BRIAN: Balance. A sense of oneness with self.

KRIS: You might even begin to wonder why you never thought before that the very act of getting out of bed, for instance, putting your feet on the floor and walking; walking through the house, walking out of the house — hopefully you remembered to put your pajamas on! Otherwise you might find a different meaning!

(Group giggles)

However, you might suddenly become aware, as a simple example, that each footstep has a meaning for you, even though you might not be aware of every minute detail of what it is, but the fact that you can put forward one foot in front of another, or backwards, is meaningful. The fact that your feet come in contact with the earth, or with cement, depending on where you live, that your lungs breathe in the air, that your bodies are functioning as well as they are, that your eyes see wonderful creations from your species’ ingenuity and creativity, that your heart beats in your chest and that you do not feel that there is a separation between yourself and your environment, that you are part of the air you breathe, you are part of the scene in front, besides and behind you, above and below.

That you are an integral aspect of everything that you see, hear, experience, sense — however you wish to word it — and this brings about a recognition that perhaps you can even ponder about the days you did not put this into effect and find that those days are also magically changed by your present perspective. And you could easily begin to imagine as well how tomorrow, the day after, the weeks and the months ahead are themselves filled with the same energy, vibrancy, vitality.

Vitality that stems from the connection between you and life because it is all extremely meaningful, that you no longer live — you CAN NO LONGER LIVE — in an apparently objective or objectified universe and that, in truth, everything that you experience in any way, shape, or form, any time past, present, or future or any configuration of those is completely and subjectively meaningful. What kind of experience of the world do you think you will embrace?

BRIAN: Appreciation of the world and appreciation of self for creating that world.

KRIS: Others, perhaps?

THERESA: A feeling of connectedness.

TOM C.: An exciting place to be.

LISA: Feeling joyful. A newness; everything is special. Like it’s the first time you’re experiencing it.

KRIS: Indeed. Even yourselves are truly special. And all of these answers are absolutely wonderful. The one that stands out is that there is no longer a sense of separation. And that is the major difficulties, in so many words, that exists with all of the systems, the thoughts, the religions, the governments in themselves, because the individuals that compose them have themselves not yet experienced anything beyond and away from that sensed separation from life, and that alone creates that inner emptiness, in a manner of speaking. That inner hunger for a different experience of reality. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Because that inner hunger, and it is an empty hunger, lets you know that there is an experience of life beyond the box you have put life in. It is a hunger, not unlike when you might have late night cravings. You may look all over the house for something to satisfy that craving, yet NOTHING will satisfy it, therefore you still feel that certain emptiness and hunger of emptiness. Do you follow?

(Yes)

So what we are suggesting then, is that you enjoy the opportunity to experience what we have described, putting your minds towards that kind of an experimentation, or even your dreams, as it were. You do not only feel that kind of a hunger, emptiness, because you might not have been hugged or caressed or paid attention enough as a child. Because as a child you would already have intimated, acquired that knowledge — perhaps without the sophisticated words — but you would have understood in your own way that the individuals around you often, the adults and so on, themselves are functioning on that basic premise. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And whether it is recognized or not, each one of you comes into the world not as a blank slate or an empty bag, as it were, that gets filled only with the merchandise offered from your familial unit. You already come with many groceries, as it were, with many goodies. And one of those goodies is a built-in, innate — BUILT-IN — compass that seeks out natural fulfillment.

And when, even at an early age, all of your drives and motivations towards that fulfillment, the fulfilling inner happiness, is continuously denied or put down or ignored and continues to go unfulfilled, you might take it for granted that perhaps your built-in, innate drive and impetus towards fulfillment of that great impetus towards meaningfulness…. perhaps that is wrong. Perhaps YOU are therefore wrong, that there is something wrong for you to want more than what your familial unit, your elders and those around you in your society are able to offer you. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

So from that early age you acquire beliefs in that direction. However, that built-in drive to manifesting meaningfulness and fulfillment still seeks avenues, seeks outlets. It seeks to not be denied because it is your eternal heritage. It is part of the blueprint of your Orodin nature. But over time you even succeed in shutting it up, suppressing it, locking it as it were, in a dungeon of some kind, a dungeon of your making. But because its strength and force is so powerful, it is always a part of you that seeks to open that dungeon door and liberate it. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

ELLEN: So Kris, could you say then, that meaningfulness could be considered a kind of an allowance; simply an allowance of what IS and by allowing what is, then you’re no longer resisting and raging against the machine, so to speak?

KRIS: At it’s very base, yes. Allowing what is. However, because so much has been invested in not allowing what is naturally ready to bloom within your hearts, you might find still struggle, self-doubt, hesitation. Does that make some sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes, resisting the flow.

KRIS: Indeed. As you can tell, we are not wont to be like many others, who claim that all you need do is smile.

ELLEN: Even that [making oneself smile all the time] can be a kind of resistance at times!

KRIS: Indeed, but by allowing yourselves to recognize, even gradually and incrementally, that this built-in force has always been with you and will never leave you, you can make allowances for it to become what it is, that it can bloom and bear fruit. Then you can experience the kind of balance of power that even the great philosophers and politicians and even the great religious leaders convince you will be yours if you follow their system. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: We are not telling anyone to follow our system because we do not offer a system per se. We are offering you information so that you can recognize within yourselves what you may have dammed up and therefore explore your own potential. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

KRIS: Are there other inquiries or would you prefer an enjoyable little break?

ELLEN: Let’s do break time.

KRIS: Indeed then, do enjoy a meaningful break.

[Break at 8:30 PM and Kris returns at 8:43 PM]

KRIS: Now then, perhaps you have other interesting questions, along those lines or not is besides the point.

BRIAN: Actually I have an observation, Kris. I’ve been taking my ten-speed bike out during the evening and it’s very crisp, the air down here in Pennsylvania, and the smell of firewood from people’s homes, and as I look up at the stars…. because riding a bike is so different than a motorcycle or a car, you’re out in the elements… and I’ve looked up at the stars and I say, “this is so cool that each one of these stars is me, and this outward manifestation is me and I create it!”

And just the feel and the recognition to myself of how omnipotent and how powerful I am is quite elating. And in the morning, too, when I leave for work about 5:00, the air is still very crisp and cool and it’s so quiet and you just realize the world is you and you are the world. It’s hard to put into words, but it’s just very cool and very powerful.

KRIS: Indeed and what you are commenting upon is indeed a very powerful state, one that can be used to your advantage. Not only you yourself personally, but all of you listening. Many of you have had similar experiences in your own fashion and now perhaps you can even easily imagine those very same feelings, that very same state of mind, reveling in that power, that realization, that immense experience that sees you connected to all of life from the stars to the Earth and back.

And you can use that powerful experience in a very constructive way, knowing that as you go about your daily lives there are always certain little curves, certain little dips in life — and no, we are not talking about the other guy in the office — but those certain little events in life that have a tendency every once in a while to dampen your own moods or spirits, but you no longer need to overly concern yourselves with those particular issues because you have at your disposal an incredible storehouse of experience registered within your awareness.

That particular experience is an excellent example whenever you feel one of those dark little clouds moving in on your parade at any time. You may indeed acknowledge it and accept it and yourself at that time, knowing that it is not your entire life that is being experienced in that perhaps darker moment, but only a specific belief-related event, something your own inner Self or subconscious wants to draw your attention to.

And you can remember those powerful experiences of being connected to all aspects of life and the energy within and begin to literally transfer, directly transfer that energy from that high state to that somber mood and change that experience, knowing that you have so much more, and that indeed, you have an abundance of powerful experiences that you can tap into at any time to bring about a sense of balance of power within your own experience, your own field of experience. For is that not what you do in many ways, when you recognize an experience that you deem undesirable and you want to get to another state that is desirable, is that not what you do then? Seeking that particular balance of power within yourself, correct?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: So this is a wonderful tool that you can use and bring about that sense of being powerful, of being in balance, of being in harmony with your experience. And we encourage any of you to partake of such an event. Make it so.

BRIAN: I’ll even lend them my ten-speed!

KRIS: Indeed! And it would be so much easier if you lent them your psychological ten-speed! There would be no shipping costs to those who would be on the other side of the continent.

BRIAN: Consider it done, my friend.

KRIS: And any of you can play with your consciousness in that way. Does that make sense to you and to all of you? Are there any other comments or inquiries? (Pause)…. Now we know we are not dentists and we are not going to pull any teeth! (Group chuckling)…. What is on your minds?

MARK: Don’t everybody talk at once.

BRIAN: I could throw in another one from last night, being onstage with the band! Oh, that was great! We had a packed house and once again, Kris, I was doing this lead and it just seemed as though the power of music and being able to perform in front of people is another feeling of omnipotence. I would equate that to what I just talked about with looking up at the stars. There’s a certain power of having an audience in the palm of your hand, knowing that they’re all you. That’s a hell of an elation!

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I was just thinking about this morning when my friend Ann and I went out to our new labyrinth to do a little repair work because some of the stones had been dislodged. Ann was a little upset because she considers that a very sacred space and she thought of it as being vandalized. I said, “Well, it’s not necessarily been vandalized. That space has been used [for years] by kids, and joggers would come in and jog around, and kids would ride their bikes in….”

But especially kids would probably go in and play in there and with the labyrinth now in there, I mean, their imaginations… they could probably just imagine it could be anything. They could pretend it’s a ship on the seas. They could go in the center and pretend that it’s a throne room or something. We saw a pile of pebbles had been put on one of the little stone seats we had put in the center and you know, I said they could have pretended that was a handful of jewels or something…

KRIS: Indeed, there is another way, just as you are describing, to recognize the sacredness of a space, and that is that people have come here to this sacred space, they have made use of it. They have benefited from the sacredness of the space, from the energy within. They have stepped into their own aspect or psychology, an area of their own awareness that they might not be able to interpret that way, but they have still stepped into a part of their energy that is sacred because they too create that space.

And a few stones may have been dislodged, a few scuffmarks left here and there, and then knowing that it has benefited so many that they bring more sacredness to it can provide a different perspective. It may not be that the sacred space has been vandalized or violated as much as that sacred space has been shared. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes. And used imaginatively.

MARK: Can I jump in here for a second?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: It’s also an unconditional gift that may not be used in the same way as she imagines people to use it, but it’s still a very loving gift and used in loving ways.

ELLEN: Yeah, absolutely! Especially if there is a spirit of fun, a spirit of high imagination going on.

KRIS: In fact in many olden days, even though there might be many stories of how much reverence needs to be observed within a sacred space, in olden days individuals got to know themselves pretty well within the context of sacred space. Do you understand what we mean?

ELLEN: Yeah… yeah… and also it was nice just spending that hour doing that bit of repair work. It was enjoyable being together and doing that… that small sense of purpose and…. that in itself was more sacred than many of the walks I’ve taken on the labyrinth.

KRIS: Indeed. In its original context, sacred spaces were created for the Goddess to bring man to recognize his sacredness — literally. It was used in a sacred Tantric manner. It was where union between the Goddess and the mortal were realized, and that involved very physical acts, which is what, in the long run, perturbed those who professed religions and gods of denial and therefore created backlash. That is why there are also so many philosophies and thoughts and religions and belief systems that offer ideas along the lines of being careful what you think about lest it turn human beings to explore those areas of their selves that ARE sacred. Do you follow? Does that make sense to you?

THERESA: Yes.

KRIS: If any of you wonder why your creature-hood urges and the imposed beliefs that you must control them stem from in terms of your collective historical psyche not because it was bad or sinful, but because at certain points in your history, if you were discovered by the orthodox and the literates, you could easily be put to death. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah. Many heretics burned at the stake.

KRIS: Indeed. Though it is difficult to order a good heretic steak at the restaurant.

ELLEN: (Laughing) Well done!… And well said!

KRIS: Indeed, it is not offered in even the finest of restaurants!

(Group chuckling)

But within the halls and the corridors of your collective human psyche, those experiences are still stored in those long forgotten aspects of yourselves; so you are careful in a way. You seek to control and establish societies and laws and rules that control your so-called creature-hood lest it get out of control. And the more you seek to control it, the more fearful you are of it.

ELLEN: A little too much carnal knowledge, huh?

KRIS: Indeed. It is in some ways an unfortunate thing that you have forgotten that your spiritual and even your religious roots in some of the oldest cultures and societies on your planet centered around the reverence for the lingam and the yoni…. We trust that you are all able to understand?

ELLEN: Representative of the phallus and the female part.

KRIS: Indeed, the lingam is Sanskrit for phallus, and yoni is Sanskrit for vagina. And it must also be pointed out that there were many alternatives to those philosophies that all meshed in very nicely. Your historians like to pretend that alternative orientations are something that is only recent and a sign of the perversion of your civilization, but the SUPPRESSION of all forms of expressing your creature-hood is itself a perversion.

Now then, any other questions or inquiries, creature-hood or otherwise? (Pause)… Or have you decided you have enough to chew on for tonight? Then indeed, we will continue to encourage all of you to explore your dreams and your inner realities and utilizing and discovering the keys to tapping into ancient wisdom, ancient knowledge that is innate to your nature. With that we leave you to enjoy the pleasures of your experiences.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

[Session ends at 9:05 PM]
Detailed Roll Call:

Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)
Nova Scotia: Theresa
New Jersey: Tom S. (Ramruva)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)
Pennsylvania: Brian (El-Don)
Utah: Anya (Greensleeves)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar) and Jerry
Hawaii: Tom C. (Desiré)

Maestro – A Private Session with Mark Bukator

November 24, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 24, 2007

(8:13 PM)

KRIS: Now then, we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: We thank you!

KRIS: We also trust, that like all other discussions, this too will be most MEANINGFUL!

MARK: (Laughing) Yes!

KRIS: Please feel free to proceed.

MARK: I’m pretty well open. I’m enjoying the material as it’s developing. I’m experiencing it, the synchronicities I’m noticing…. I’m enjoying this… I’d like to think I’m working with the material and not just intellectualizing it. I do spend a GREAT percentage of my day noticing and I find, before sleep, in that Bardo state, I tend to be aware… And my dreams, though I’ve not been writing them down, I’ve been paying attention to them and giving them a great deal of thought and attention.

KRIS: Then, in that light, you will likely make better usage of a software on your new computer specifically for recording dreams that Joseph is not making best use of.

MARK: Oh! Okay. I didn’t even know he had this.

KRIS: Now then, the discussion can go any which way. Choose a direction.

MARK: (Chuckling) North! Better than going south, I guess!

KRIS: (Dryly) Cardinal points do not work in this dimension.

MARK: Okay, well we can continue our last conversation I guess, on…. I just had it and I lost it again, but….

KRIS: Memory?

MARK: (Chuckling) On Remembrance of Essence and working with focus personalities.

KRIS: Then to that effect, we will continue your comments of a moment ago. You expressed that you’d hoped you were doing more than intellectualizing the material in the discussions, that you have been practicing at noticing, paying attention, even to some of the more random thoughts or thought patterns that flow into your awareness from time to time.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: It needs to be noted that for all intents and purposes, you are not so much the recipient of the material. Not as much as you think.

MARK: I understand that.

KRIS: Perhaps you do not in the sense that we mean it. Now, this can be somewhat complex, however, you are definitely the recipient of the material that is shared in this fashion, of that there is no question, but you are not MERELY the recipient only. In fact, that function is secondary to another function that you serve and that assists in the delivering of the material as we suggested to you many years ago now.

MARK: I’m the catalyst.

KRIS: You are one of the two catalysts. Thus in that way, you also serve a very clear — at least to ourselves — a very clear function of assisting Joseph in drawing more and more information. Our function, then, is not only to direct it your way as well as Joseph’s way, but to then serve it up, as it were, as best as is possible. Thus, instead of considering yourself merely the recipient, do add to your consideration that there is more going on behind the scenes than you could likely understand.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: It is important to keep in mind that the flow of the material, as it is being presented, is a joint venture. How many times have you mentioned already that some of the things that are presented in the same evening or the following day appear to be related to thoughts you entertained, to ideas that flow through your awareness?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Now it is not that YOUR thoughts are responsible for the material, but you helped open different venues that can then bring up some of the material. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: I believe so. We’re talking about Frameworks Two, Three and Four here and where we’re developing all this together, and in the creation of my reality I’m allowing for this to come forward and very specific things to be discussed and events to happen.

KRIS: These are still on the surface, as it were. These are your individual perceptions from the point of view of your everyday life, but beneath those layers you are active in ways you are unaware of. You get miniscule glimpses in the form of ideas and at that moment you may have no clue that they are indeed related to upcoming material. There is an aspect of your consciousness that functions in a manner similar to Joseph’s in translating various notions of consciousness, information, knowledge, and that then becomes part of some of the deliveries whether later that day or during the week. Not all that you very quickly sift through will make it to a delivery sometime soon, but you do catch some glimpses of some parts of the material, but not all of it, and not all of it can be delivered, either. So it is a complex arrangement, but it functions very well, thank you very much.

MARK: (Chuckling) You’re welcome.

KRIS: You will also notice as time wears on that you will develop a greater affinity to be able to consciously observe and even capture the moment of some of these instances of inner translation work and even begin to note that portions of it are also directed specifically for YOU. New ideas may crop up in your awareness that may stem from the original flow, but that have found different perspectives that can then be offered to yourself. It is as best as we can describe this. And it will continue to spark more and more perceptions into the affairs of consciousness, as it were.

Imagine a vast governmental system, all various departments and ministries, portfolios, even sub-portfolios, mixed portfolios each under their own headings and directions, and these are all fine all by themselves, however if there are no means of communications between all of these various departments and portfolios, etc., then there will be little progress made. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So this requires management that oversees the proper flow and functioning of all of these various departments and portfolios with their respective missions as it were, and management oversees the proper exchanges and networking between all of these areas. Thus, in a manner of speaking, a portion of your consciousness functions as if its task then is specifically to organize and translate certain flows of information. This is nothing that you even need concern yourself about consciously. It already operates quite beautifully and naturally on its own.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So there is no need to stick one’s bureaucratic nose in those kinds of affairs of consciousness. However, knowing that this is an active state of your awareness, you can develop a greater affinity to increase that awareness, thus widening your potential to function in that capacity, but more specifically for yourself. Thus, you too, will get your own insights, which may generate yet other openings of consciousness and awareness, which is what it is meant for. So from another point of view, for many years, you functioned within the parameters or boundaries of the official line of consciousness. Gradually, we pointed out more and more cracks and holes within that official perception. Now that you are aware in that way, it is easier for you to continue punching a few more holes as it were, allowing yourself more freedom in that arena. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: That in turn enables more wheels and cogs to function within these processes that is usually undergoing beneath the everyday layer of consciousness, or beneath the layers of the official line of consciousness. Any questions or inquiries?

MARK: No, I just had a visual there where my experiences and my understandings are like a single leaf on a tree and the object is, from your perspective, to… if each leaf of a tree is understanding… to get as many leaves as visible as possible…. (Gropingly, then chuckling)… This isn’t working…

KRIS: Indeed, perhaps this might assist: let’s say that generally one leaf on the tree may not be aware that there are other leaves on the tree. In fact, the leaf may even consider itself the entire tree experience until it may come to recognize that the sap that feeds it is from something much bigger than it is.

And if it begins to pay attention to the sap, it may notice that indeed the same sap that feeds it from within also feeds other leaves, which would give the one leaf awareness that it is not insular or singular, but it is one of many, and together all the leaves create beautiful foliage, but all the leaves are not the tree alone, because the tree is also composed of small branches, medium branches, large branches, big branches, secondary and primary trunk, as well as an enormous canopy and bark and an even more extensive root system. And once the leaf begins to take awareness of all of this, it may develop quite an expanded awareness. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Does that make more sense to you?

MARK: Yes, I guess the analogy that I was trying to come with would be that to the tree each of those parts are valid and important, obviously the tree isn’t going to focus on any one singular leaf. It is all of it and more.

KRIS: Indeed. It may hold each leaf in its awareness and it does understand that each leaf is most important as each leaf adds to the mechanism that transforms sunlight into food through photosynthesis.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: So the leaves are just as important as the rest of its tree body, but each aspect serves various functions. The bark protects it from the elements as well as provides home to many small creatures and so on and so forth. So all aspects of the tree are important to the tree, one not less or more than any other. Please continue.

MARK: (Chuckling) I think I got that now. I think we’re on the same page there. So I’m just trying to draw in how this relates to what you quoted me as saying in that I hoped that I was doing more than just intellectualizing… actually, I just answered my own question.

KRIS: Are you pulling a Shara-Leene?

MARK: (Laughing) Yes… But it’s enjoyable for me to, from Mark’s perspective, to understand and relate to the material as much as possible, even though it’s not me that it’s geared towards at all times, but obviously the more I understand, the more we can talk about and the more we can take it forward.

KRIS: Indeed. That is also why we suggested that if at all possible, to have at least one weekly session, over and above anything else that you are engaged in. It is not merely to deliver information, though that is ultimately the end result, but there are other aspects in the works here that provide for the end result, the outcome. And even the outcomes you experience here are not the end result. They are stepping-stone outcomes. They lead to other things.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And in this way, having yet more involvement literally changes your perspectives and your perceptions in ways you might never be able to completely understand or appreciate and that is not something to be faulted for. You are only able to fix your mind on so many topics at once.

[Short personal section removed.]

MARK: Yes. Okay. Now getting back to quitting my job. I’m going to go part time. I’m going to give them that notice probably at the end of February when I take my two weeks holiday to go to Arizona … [Kris interrupts]

KRIS: When you recognize that the time is more appropriate for you. We had no delusions of imposing any kind of deadline, but if a sufficient motivation was provided, you would act upon it as you see fit.

MARK: I understand that, and what I wanted to discuss was the reactions, the conversations I’m having with myself over this and the mixed emotions. Being at work, it’s very stressful and yeah, I would love in many ways to be out of there quickly, but on the other hand, I see my bank account building and I see my ability to have money for things that before we didn’t have. It’s interesting, actually, the beliefs involved that I’m working through and the mixed emotions.

I find it’s actually a very good process, especially having the ability to be aware of the processing, because I think if I didn’t have that understanding, it would be very frustrating for me and very confusing…. But I do like the idea of having more time to spend with you and the material, the website and so on, with Joseph and I do love the idea of less stress levels from those challenges in the workplace, but benefits and dollar signs keep coming up.

KRIS: Do continue.

MARK: (Chuckling) I just wanted to comment on that. I just wanted to voice what I was feeling as part of this process….. (Humorously) Should I be lying on this couch?

KRIS: You would not like to receive the invoice.

MARK: (Laughing) No!

KRIS: Now, several important points out of your own monologue. First and foremost is that this is a situation that you are forming. Secondly, you have associated the old-fashioned cause and effect: as you work, therefore and in spite of all of the stresses that particular employment gives, you see the bank account increasing. What if you could still see the bank account increase but not necessarily have to put up with all of the other annoyances? It is as if a portion of you considers it an equitable trade-off. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does. Those are thoughts that I have been entertaining. They’re not the only thoughts I’m entertaining, but yes, I keep bringing that, trying to bring that back into the forefront. And some of the deeper rooted issues go back even to my parents …

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: (Continuing) and other people’s perceptions of me and what can and cannot be done.

KRIS: And quite specifically in terms of self-perception and specific quality of those perceptions that entails that you must work almost to the point of near collapse in order to gain your daily bread, as it were.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And we understand the old-fashioned Protestant view in that way, but do keep in mind it is merely a view or a set of convictions. What if you could work less, less stress, less demands, but still see the income accumulate?

MARK: I would like that very much.

KRIS: So you may find of course, that as you begin to entertain that notion, you may encounter resistance, opposition, opposing. Which is fine, it merely reveals you those beliefs that you hold. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Now, on the other hand, it does not mean that you can sit on a park bench all day long feeding the pigeons. Pigeons do make deposits, but it is not usually in the bank account!

MARK: (Laughing) Understood.

KRIS: But find a middle ground, and part of that middle ground can accommodate these discussions and this material. Centering your beliefs around THIS to produce similar or even better income can also be just as rewarding. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does. I understand that. I understand that very clearly, even before this conversation, but there are always those “Yeah, but’s”.

KRIS: They are merely the other beliefs, other opposings that you hold and nothing more. And in that regard as you have begun to learn through noticing or paying attention, the action itself, the act of noticing puts you in a specific platform. If you can notice your convictions and therefore their limitations in light of what you wish to accomplish, if you can notice the place you are as well as the place you want to be at, then that specifically means that you are in a place different than either one.

That place is where all of the various tools, assistance, the toolboxes, the methods, the modalities, etc. that we have shared over these last few years, that is where it leads: To be able to observe one’s state of mind, one’s emotions, one’s own psychology and still understand that you are not any one of those things, nor the sum of those things, but something yet different. That particular place can be somewhat frightening because it is territory the majority of human beings do not necessarily consciously venture into nor necessarily recognize it in those terms, still feeling very much swept up by their various emotional challenges.

But practicing eventually leads to that what you can also call an inner Bardo state, even whilst conscious. Imagine if you wish, the maestro, the conductor of the orchestra forgetting who he is whenever he points at the string section, forgetting he is the maestro. He convinces himself that he is each one of the musicians in the string section as well as each one of the string instruments, swept along by the passion and the intensity of the notes. Then suddenly it is the percussion section and the same phenomenon occurs. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: After awhile, the maestro forgets he is the maestro and thinks he is merely a piece of music that is thrown here, there and everywhere. Wherever a musician and a musical instrument decide to play him. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Eventually maestro may regain his composure and realize that even though he may identify and point to various instrumental sections, he is not any of those, not any one, not any of the whole thing, but in some way he is the manager.

MARK: Mmhm.

KRIS: It is up to him to engage various sections in tune with the tempo and the notes. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Thus, as the maestro reconsiders his position and, pardon the pun, but composes himself, then he is back in his own element and he knows he is not any one of the sections, separately or collectively, but he is much more than that. He is the conductor. Does that assist you?

MARK: Yes, it does. It’s interesting because years ago you told me that there was a possibility that I could be a channeler myself and channel my own Source, and over the years I’ve always played with that and I’ve been a little bit jealous of Joseph and… not so much his ability to voice for you or that kind of action, but the downloads and the inner conversations, but it’s only recently that I realized — or I’ve been paying attention enough to realize — that I too can do this and I DO do this. I’ve been finding in those little Bardo states and holding these little dialogs, especially in stressful times, but it’s that paying attention and understanding that… I DO do that!

KRIS: In many ways you are somewhat more fortunate than Joseph in that particular respect, simply because Joseph had to develop that keen sense of noticing, but from a completely different environment. He had to acquire that sense of noticing in order to be able to detect which way and from which angle the fists would come at him.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: From John. So it’s a simple difference, but still a significant one. Having learned then long ago to pay attention, he simply kept that process and then began noticing that there were other things going on in his awareness besides the need to be aware of when the next punch in the head would come. This time it was in a dialog, but a sufficiently different kind of dialog than the everyday individual engages. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does. I find those conversations extremely helpful and very rewarding. You referred to them recently, I believe it was on the radio show, as that place within self where you are honest and vulnerable.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And faced with the honesty, as I said, sometimes I get these conversations in my challenging moments, but they let me see, or allow me to honestly view why these are happening, why I created these and how I’m processing and developing or expanding them sometimes. And I find that it’s a very trusting place. I don’t have to fear the judgments.

KRIS: Because it is a place of deep healing. That is where that portion of the personality construction mends itself, as it were, takes stock of its situation. The ego in that light has a truer sense of its perspective. It does not need to protect the personality within as much as in some other areas. If provides for a more truthful evaluation of the potentials and the realities that are being created by the personality construction. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Thus, overall, the personality structure benefits greatly!

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: For it is not in itself considered a usurper or interloper, but viewed as an actual friend as it were.

MARK: Yes. It’s a loving place. Nurturing. Something that just popped into my head that I wanted to ask you about was this woman focus of mine in Vienna and something that I concluded after that last session, is that I had left the door open, that I had during that session, when I had gone to that little girl, I spoke to her and we exchanged and I let her know that I existed when she was at a young age and kept that door open for her to peek in. Is that the link between us, is that why she keeps popping in? I realize there’s probably a lot of reasons, but…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: She seems to be very content with her life.

KRIS: It was not always so. She was always very headstrong.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: At one point she considered that to be her greatest asset. Her one true, genuine or authentic value, but it is often generated from a place of anger, knowing that she could be so much more, but she was also in some ways prevented by the conventions of her time. However, through various dream states, her own perceptions have been altered in a beneficial way. She has gained a different perspective, that one doesn’t always get the best service, as it were, by making threats and innuendoes in the same manner that through warfare and battle, you might not necessarily make the best headway by crashing headlong into your enemy but by allowing the enemy to come to you and using the enemy’s own strengths and vulnerabilities against him. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: So in that way she has learned that though being headstrong did prove valuable and was even needed at one point, a different tactic could now be produced, which still relied upon her inner strength, but in a way that did not threaten, neither herself nor others. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Do continue.

MARK: I was just thinking along those lines and that open door. I like to see that she’s taken a bit of Mark’s temperament to come to those conclusions.

KRIS: There are all kinds of exchanges. Your experiences in this lifetime are assisting many of your other focuses.

MARK: And vice versa. I’m attracted to her. She made herself known to me, obviously, when I was in Vienna, without me really…. because I didn’t understand it at the time…

KRIS: Your journey there acted as an awakening in a way. The strength of your experience in some ways even shook you very deeply, even in ways you might never be able to fully understand, but it did nonetheless like grabbing a tree and shaking it until all of the leaves are shook. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a powerful shaking, just enough to get attention. So that triggered the communications with this particular aspect. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes. It was a very beautiful time for me. The feelings and the emotions that I feel when I’m in Vienna, even that very first night. Late at night it was a pissing rain, a very cold October, and yet I was in my glory. I was just in seventh heaven, wandering the cobblestone streets and remembering. When I first hit that first cobblestone section of the city and that narrow road that you could not fit a pedestrian and a car down together, I could picture walking along there and a horse and buggy coming down….

I had memories, obviously, but I was in such a joyous place. Very fond memories. She took me on a nice little tour of that city, all her favorite spots. I also know that there was somewhere she wanted to take me that I didn’t get to go to. There was a cemetery that I didn’t get to go to. I think it was outside of the city limits. Maybe one day I’ll go back.

KRIS: So this particular incident and still how it is affecting you to this day and the changes it has brought about give you certain clues about the nature of the personality structure itself and what composes or constructs that structure. So those insights themselves are extremely valuable. And the reason we suggested a short while back that it can be most beneficial to develop and deepen the abilities to notice and pay attention, especially to these kinds of inner dialogs, as we described, it is indeed possible to engage discussion with them.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And the resultant pieces of information that flow can be most enlightening. Not that these other focuses or even aspects of Essence will provide you with all the secrets of life. Indeed there is no such thing, but they can impart various perspectives and wisdom. Now we are well aware of some peoples’ and groups’ philosophies that may say that since these are all focuses, they are more or less only valuable for the prestige that may come if any were famous, but apart from that they are merely other kinds of human beings and their value is nil. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: That only tapping into a higher energy such as Essence, and not even one’s own Essence, but something even “higher” is best. However, from our perspective, we can assure you that even though these other aspects may not give you the secrets of the universe on a silver platter, they themselves are unique and sacred expressions of Essence. So they share with you bonds beyond time and space and what they learn, the wisdom that they have accumulated, becomes part of Essence. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, by understanding them, or at least making the effort to understand them, it helps us understand who and what we are.

KRIS: Indeed, and that also gives you deep insights into the composition of Essence over and above the airy-fairy ideas and often distortions you may have about what Essence is and is not, because it is all of those things that it creates including its focus personalities. Do you understand that?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Thus, holding various kinds of discussions with those various aspects of the personality can be most useful. Many may have actually already in their context, undergone experiences similar to your own, and may have worked out some of the solutions. Not that their solutions will fix YOUR challenge, but it may give you certain insight into HOW to put YOUR life in context. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: If you cannot trust self, which includes those various focuses, then do not expect to automatically trust Essence, because Essence is composed but is more than the sum of all of those aspects, but they are still valuable and these kinds of discoveries and inner explorations provide openings for still more insight into the very nature of wisdom itself. Wisdom is not a thing unto itself. Wisdom IS the result of being. Any other inquiries?

MARK: Not off the top of my head, no…. Do you have a name for her?

KRIS: Isabelle. Often referred to as “Isa.”

MARK: (Chuckling) Isa that right? Thank you.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 9:16.

KRIS: Then perhaps we can call this one a night and plan on the next one in the very near future.

MARK: Okay. Thank you.

Kris Radio: Enchantment of the Universe

November 22, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on November 22, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com, I’m Mark Bukator and I’m your co-host tonight along with…

JOHN: You must be thinking about me, it’s along with John Hawkins, the other co-host guy and it’s… we’ve actually had a dramatic weather day here in Toronto, we’ve had our first snowfall of the season, but we’re okay it’s nice and warm in Thatradio’s studios, and of course we are have blessed with our friend…

SERGE: Me, Serge. Hello!

MARK: And unfortunately tonight, we are unable to connect with our Texas correspondents Matt and Nicole, we can’t get the Skype going properly but Skype chat is available so you can type your questions and possibly we can get some of those… So we’re back! Another Thursday evening and maybe we should do a little bit of recap of last radio show.

JOHN: Yes, good idea…

MARK: “The Ultimate Banana Split.”

JOHN: Yes, “The Ultimate Banana Split” is the name of the show, and Kris was talking more about the synchronicity idea, about how paying attention to those unexplained… otherwise unexplainable, officially unexplainable events can give us an idea of how the under… under the hood, the inner workings of reality creation and I’ve already had some interesting new perceptions about that.

One of the things that I’m beginning to understand is… I know that this flies in the face of some… some wisdom that is out there about “you create your own reality” but I’m gonna put… try this on for size. I think that all creation is actually co-creation. In other words, what I mean by that is, let’s say I wanna buy a house. Well I have to hook up with somebody who wants to sell a house.

(Chuckling)

Like I’m not gonna manufacture that house out of nothing, I gotta cooperate with somebody who wants to sell a house. And if you think about it, the guy who wants to sell a house has to be in cooperation with somebody else, unless he’s gonna live in the street, he’s gonna… so it ends up rippling out, so…

MARK: I agree. I agree with what you’re saying, but on the flip side of that, when they say that “you create your own reality one hundred percent”, we’re talking about your version of it, your perception of it.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: And that’s where some people get lost in that little distinction, sometimes it’s taken too literally, one way or the other.

JOHN: Right. Well I mean, let’s say I wanna buy a house. I and I alone am responsible for the fact that I am gonna buy a house. But as I say… you can’t buy a house unless you’re living in a world where somebody built it and somebody’s gonna sell it to you!

MARK: Even your version of me in your reality, you create your version of me.

JOHN: I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. (Laughing)

MARK: (Chuckling) My energies are still there participating in that creation.

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: So you’re still interpreting energy.

JOHN: Yeah. You’re projecting energy, and I’m turning it into this charming person sitting across the table from me.

MARK: Kris is describing….

SERGE: Wait, here, you got that wrong.

(laughter)

MARK: Funny!

JOHN: And in just the same, in just the same way, I’m projecting energy, and you are very kindly interpreting that energy as this charming Being sitting in front of you.

MARK: That’s right!

(Chuckling)

SERGE: Ah, shut up!

(Laughter)

MARK: YOUR perception of this table in front of us is different than MY perception of that table, and different from Serge’s.

JOHN: So we really have three different tables.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: But the glory of the co-creation process is…

MARK: There’s a table! (Laughing)

JOHN: …that the meaning of it is… that there’s one table that we share!

MARK: Indeed.

JOHN: Oh I’m glad we got that sorted out.

(Laughter)

MARK: So how did that tie into synchronicity?

JOHN: Oh, well the idea is that the whole bloody planet and everything on it and everything that ever happens is one humongous synchronicity from start to finish.

MARK: Well basically, what we’re getting at, or what Kris is getting at, is that it really is done in… created in frameworks 2, 3 and 4 and the script is written, so to speak, in those other frameworks and when you tap into those other frameworks, and then you remember tapping into those frameworks, that’s when you get the coincidences, so physical reality is framework 1. Framework 2 is behind it, framework 3 is behind it, framework 4 is behind it, but all the energies involved in those frameworks are what creates framework 1.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: So by tapping in, to those other frameworks is tapping into those deeper layers of your own Self, of your own Being, and then when you remember them and you notice them, pay attention, and then they come out as synchronicities and coincidences in framework 1.

JOHN: Right. And yes, and of some of them can be quite… the thing… the thing about a synchronicity is that typically it’s undeniable. Like it’s not something you say “oh you know, maybe this is meaningful.” No. It smacks you in the face with its meaningfulness and you’re left to deal with the fact that there’s no other explanation for it other than what you’ve been talking about.

MARK: Exactly. I have to agree with you one hundred thousand percent. (Chuckling)

JOHN: You’re just agreeing with your perception of me, you’re not really agreeing…

MARK: I guess I’m also bringing up something that was brought up in the last show and that’s that I tend to exaggerate.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well I think we have a visitor.

KRIS: Indeed! And we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: The subject matter of synchronicities, coincidences, serendipities, are all most intriguing. We have already begun exploring some of… perhaps even the most surface aspects of these kinds of small events that appear in your lives here and there, but as you have pointed out that, there is much more at work or play here. In fact we would have to describe and call the whole process as a complete enchantment of the universe.

And as you begin to assemble the small blocks of events and circumstances you find serendipitous, you begin to notice, there is always something else happening behind the scenes, there is an energy that seems to thrive, ever so slightly out of sight, out of the corner of your inner eye so to speak, ever so slightly out of phase or synch with your regular perceptions of reality, your official understanding of consciousness, and as you allow more and more of this to occur, indeed you may find it impossible to ignore that there is a great energy at work behind the processes you call everyday events and your own physical reality.

You may even begin to perceive how your own broader energies are manipulating particles of consciousness. Notice how your own energies are transforming the raw elements of reality into the events and circumstances that you then become enchanted by. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: I think so.

MARK: Oh yes, Absolutely.

KRIS: And as you play with this topic or subject matter, you may not fail to notice there is an enchantment at work, and it stems directly from this broader or larger Self of yours, you may call your Essence, your Source, and how all of these events are interconnected with the lives of others. But this is not simply a matter of reading about it or of listening to a dead guy talk about it, at least dead in your terms…

(Chuckling)

…it goes well beyond any kind of mental exercise or intellectualization but it becomes an actual experience, one that enables you to learn and grow because you are part of the process itself. In fact, you are the factor of the enchantment of the universe. And without you, there can be very little enchantment, if any at all. Even when you contrive every effort known to humankind, that you create even the most miserable-looking situation or condition, you are still enchanting the universe with your Self because you are creating.

And as we have suggested on many other occasions, it is not possible for any of you to not create. You are, in a manner of speaking, bound by your own psychology to create. It is as instinctive to you as it is for a dog to chew the bone or to bark at the mailman. It is something that is unavoidable to your nature. As surely as geese fly south, so you create. And by noticing and observing those serendipitous acts, it may even dawn on you that this is not merely a philosophy, not merely an ideology, but it is what is happening. And no human being can truly escape his or her creative abilities in that regard.

There are those who may, for the simple sake of utilizing an example, there are those who may strongly believe that the rich, the powerful in the world are conspiring to suck the life out of those who are disenfranchised, and because of your very human nature to create, you will find exactly what you are believing. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: And it will seem to you that the rest of the world is indeed blind because they cannot see what you see. The point of the matter is whom exactly is blind? It could very well be that both are failing to recognize they create the events and conditions and the serendipity involved in their lives. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: It surely does!

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: So as we have encouraged you to pursue, and as we will continue to do so, allow yourselves to be enchanted by your abilities to connect these dots and to eventually paint a truer picture of your authentic Self, as it magically bring about all the necessary ingredients, so to speak. To confirm for you where your thoughts and your beliefs and your self is at. Does that make sense?

(John confirms)

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: As you continue to explore the enchantment of the universe by its components, one of which is these serendipities or coincidences, synchronicities; you may even acquire a sense that as you explore the universe from that perspective, you begin to acquire a better understanding of the lay of the land as it were, the lay of your psyche, the lay of your psychology, how it is that your Self actually organizes the elements of creation for the experiences and the experimentations that lead to the resultant actions of your lives and how the actions of your lives are the keys to understanding who and what you are.

That can indeed take you to a whole new level, something entirely different to understand about yourselves over and above… perhaps even way over and above what you have been taught by your educational system, your institutions and everything that caters to maintaining the official line of consciousness. Because by all accounts, you are all definitely unofficial beings, your realities are steeped in the unofficial events of creation, when you seek to belong, when you seek to homogenize and pasteurize your experiences so that there is a sameness to you all, you often discard your unofficial selves. Do you follow?

JOHN: Sure, that makes sense.

MARK: Definitely.

KRIS: Any inquiries up to now?

JOHN: I had a slightly peripheral question, Kris. Thinking about the division between the official line of consciousness and the unofficial, here in our dimension, and how we really have created almost a separation between the two… nevermind the fact that the official rides upon and depends on the unofficial… the question is, in other dimensions, perhaps nearby ones, is there that same kind of split? In other words, is there an official sort of reality and then underneath that the living source of that or is that unique to us or?

KRIS: Indeed it is not unique yourselves, sad to say.

JOHN: Oh that’s interesting!

KRIS: Depending on the experimentations and the various species and life forms involved, each will have its own version and variation on the theme, because you require, and they also require a certain kind of continuity. A certain kind of cohesiveness, an agreed upon state that then needs to be cultivated in order for you or theirs to extrapolate the transformations of the ideas, the concepts and the life threads that actually stitch the universe together. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes that… that helps me a lot. Now just as a follow-up, quick follow-up question, are there also then dimensions of reality where the there really is no division and it’s all just unofficial… so to speak.

MARK: Officially unofficial?

JOHN: Yeah well, you know what I’m trying to say.

KRIS: That place is the playground within which you experiment with your official line of consciousness.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: It is all around but you do not see it as it is, you see what you want to see for the time being.

JOHN: Okay, well that’s very helpful, thank you.

KRIS: Any other inquiries, Skypelanders as well?

MARK: Nothing in Skypeland. So I guess to paraphrase what you just said, as Essence, we’re in the sandbox, we know we’re in the sand box where we’re making the little sand castles, but from the expression of Essence, we can’t see the sandbox through the grains of sand. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Good point, good way of saying it.

KRIS: In a manner speaking, yes. To the child playing in the sandbox with his little pail and shovel, making all of his pretty little sand castles, these are not merely piles of shaped sand, they represent ideals in the child’s own mind, and do not make the mistake of thinking that because it is a child, it could not possibly have the same kind of values attached to those ideals as you do. In fact they may be even more invested because that is how they utilize those unfolding nested values to lay the foundation for the life they will pursue later on. So to the child, the sand castle represents high achievements. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: It is incredibly invested with emotional overtones, to the point where if the child sees that his castle is swept away by the waves or someone kicks it down, then you better cover your ears.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

(Laughter)

JOHN: I got you there, oh yeah.

KRIS: Thus you have also different kinds of values that are being tested and unfolded in various parts of the world. In some parts of the world, the child may be just as attached to the sand castle however if someone kicks it down, the child may react in a completely different manner and perhaps simply go about making more. Thus in some other parts of the world, the child whose sand castle was just kicked down may indeed put up an incredible amount of fuss for spilt sand. So this also depends upon the perspective and the perspective depends upon many factors found in the culture where the child is born and raised. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So if you apply a similar perception to building the other kind of sand castle, the one that you now interpret as your physical reality, you may begin to have a different kind of appreciation for that reality and perhaps even feel less inclined to be overly attached to any aspect of it, but more so to its fulfilling features as opposed to the things within it. Does that also make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely. As a matter of fact, a couple of weeks ago you challenged us to go about our lives pretending that we were multidimensional beings. So I took up that challenge and I’ve been doing that for a while now and when I combine the fact that I’m a multidimensional being and also that I am eternal and immortal, it really kind of changes the things I’m looking for in life? In other words, if I’m eternal and immortal, then for instance a pension doesn’t really mean that much to me…

(Laughter)

…you know, insurance is somehow less important.

KRIS: We are certain however, that the government would not want to supply it eternally.

JOHN: Well exactly.

KRIS: And at the same time, imagine as an eternal immortal being, knowing that you are multidimensional, imagine how much more and deeper you can love or you can gripe, either way, much more is available to you.

JOHN: That’s true. Yes, what I’ve noticed is that in a way, when I realize that I’m eternal, immortal and multidimensional, all the big things in life become small and all the small things become big. In other words, the most cherished moment of the day might be a shared laugh with somebody over the phone.

KRIS: Indeed and now must now also confess that we lied.

JOHN: Oh no! Now you tell us.

KRIS: We suggested that you pretend that you are multidimensional beings…

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: …but the truth of the fact is that you are multidimensional beings. But it was perhaps a foxy way to entice you to explore that concept much more so than within the walls of your mind but in actual fact.

JOHN: Yeah well….

KRIS: Did it work?

JOHN: It works! Oh yeah, when you walk down the street as a multidimensional eternal immortal guy, or you get on the subway or let’s say you get on the subway and they’ve raised the token prices? Well to an eternal immortal guy that’s just not that big a deal. (chuckling)

KRIS: Additionally, a multidimensional being has a certain kind of awareness about him or herself that there is always an interesting adventure around each corner…

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: …always the most fascinating synchronicity, always everything available to him or her in abundance… and that the only limitations that exist are those that you have believed in.

JOHN: Yeah, it’s true. It’s true… when you walk down the street as an eternal immortal multidimensional guy, it’s like you’re walking through a smorgasbord, it’s all delicious and fun and waiting for you to discover it.

KRIS: And furthermore, a multidimensional being is far more tempted to be focused in the present moment, the moment of his or her experience and less tempted to wander into the things that may upset one or may bother one or may annoy one in the future or even much less tempted to ponder about how others, other individuals, other governments, other leaders may plot against you in the future or how they may have done so in the past, but instead, your present experience has the power to transform all of life as far as you are concerned.

So the key is to be multidimensional in the present, that can be any kind of present but at least in the present, you could be in the present tomorrow, in the present today, in the present yesterday but you are always in the present.

MARK: Be multidimensional now!

(Chuckling)

MARK: That reminds me of the analogy of “that life is about the journey and not the destination” we can flip that and say it’s about the creating, the process of creating and not necessarily the end result of creation.

JOHN: But also the thing that has been a revelation to me, I mean I think the theme tonight of enchanting, discovering of our enchanting self is very good because as I began to explore my multidimensional Self, again I’m walking down the street, what I… what came to me was that the street doesn’t matter. I mean the particulars of the scenario don’t really matter, what matters is the surprise, the fun, the process, the meaning, the feelings I get, the chance meeting with someone or even just smiling at a stranger. I mean as a multidimensional guy, smiling at a stranger is a very interesting experience because you might be smiling at yourself!

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: You might also discover, even in this particular season, you are approaching a time that at least in the most of the western world, this season is considered to be special, even sacred in a way. Some attribute it to the stories that are read in books concerning someone by the name of “savior”, it is a lovely name, do you think?

JOHN: Yeah!

(Mark agrees)

KRIS: There is an atmosphere about this season that is somewhat special, have you noticed?

JOHN: Oh yeah, I like this season.

KRIS: Indeed, it is not about the Christmas trees and the baubles and the presents, there is something else at work here and there is, in this connection, a deep vein that runs far beneath any of the appearances of your official line of consciousness. It taps into the unofficial and it is related to a specific type of enchantment and this enchantment in many ways compels in a certain fashion, not that anyone is controlling anyone else’s mind to do this, but individuals feel spontaneously enchanted with the deeply held notion that giving, in any way shape or form brings about certain joy.

JOHN: Yes, it’s nice.

KRIS: And this tradition is not new to the Christian world, has existed for many thousands of millennia, even before it was incorporated in Judeo-Christian traditions, and it was set aside especially after harvest to share in the good harvest, to share the wealth of the earth, the foodstuff. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Yeah definitely. There’s a history of paganism that’s been adapted by some of the churches and incorporated because they wouldn’t have moved forward otherwise, they had to appeal to the masses.

KRIS: Indeed. So this also is a kind of enchantment that can assist you to connect the dots far more easily because it is not something that is unique to this season, though your minds have been concentrated on this for a long time, but this particular enchantment reaches far back into the annals of time and in more ways than one, almost all individuals have enjoyed it in some fashion or another, have tasted of it and have contributed to it and that too represents a certain peak of coincidences and synchronicities, assisting you in taking it to the next level.

We are not specifically only referring to Christmas or Christmas time but the time of sharing, the time of meaning, when individuals can let their collective hair down and actually dip their hair or their toe in the ocean of meaning that is your life, that is life in general and your life in particular. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah.

(Mark confirms)

JOHN: That’s how I’ve started to think about the season as well, lovely time of year no matter how they try to commercialize it.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?

JOHN: Maybe a break?

KRIS: Indeed what is the time?

MARK: It’s twenty to (the hour)

KRIS: Indeed then, a small break.

(Musical break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I’m sitting here with John Hawkins and Serge Grandbois and we have been talking with Kris about the enchantment of the universe.

JOHN: Yes, and how to discover our own enchanting qualities. This seems to be where he’s leading with the synchronicity stuff, it seems to be leading into an understanding, an appreciation of our own enchanting selves.

MARK: Yeah, getting into the bigger picture by far.

JOHN: Well just… did you have something? I have begun to be quite impressed with myself to be quite… I know that doesn’t sound quite right but what I mean is, that as I consider myself as a multidimensional eternal immortal being and I’m walking down the street… as Kris said, from that perspective anything can happen and often does. In other words, I can be enchanted by a window display or you know, a car honking at the exact moment that something else happened or you know, so often the things… well like that picture I put on newworldview….

MARK: Yeah, now that’s big!

JOHN: …of the sea gulls turning into like a smiley face.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Now if you think about that, if you’re over around to the side taking that picture, that’s not there, right?

MARK: It’s nothing, it’s not there.

JOHN: So that’s a very good example I think, of the power of perspective because if you weren’t in that exact location to look in at that moment then you wouldn’t have seen that.

MARK: Well the synchronicity there is that somebody was, and that somebody had a camera…

JOHN: Right.

MARK: …and they got it. And we’re ability to share it with everybody, and that’s evidence to me.

JOHN: But they couldn’t have timed that, I don’t think.

MARK: No they didn’t see it, they took the photo and then developed it, it’s like… “oh!”

JOHN: Yeah, exactly. Just so that the folks on the radio show understand… what we’re talking about is a picture somebody took of a winter sunset and there are 3 gulls… I think they’re gulls, and they are positioned in such a way that the top 2 have their arms, their wings spread, and the bottom one has his wings spread and the bottom one looks like the smile and the top 2 look like the two eyes and it’s…

MARK: It’s unmistakable! There’s no denying this looks like consciousness looking down and smiling on you.

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: There’s just no doubt. The picture is on newworldview.com in the forums, the…

JOHN: “Today’s Synchronicity” is the name of the thread.

MARK: In the “Kosmic Cocktail Lounge”.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: It’s an amazing picture.

JOHN: Sent to me by Bill Hermann by the way, I take no responsibility for it, he…

MARK: Thanks Bill.

JOHN: Oh good! (Observing Kris’ return)

KRIS: Now then, what have you considered concerning this topic so far?

JOHN: Synchronicity?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well, I have actually given it some thought and just… we’ve started a thread on newworldview where people are kicking their stuff in, and what I’ve noticed is that there’s several different kinds of things that we call “synchronicity”. It’s not just one thing, for instance… for instance someone might… in one case, someone saw the same imagery… came up three times in the course of a couple of days.

KRIS: Indeed. So someone may indeed find this a coincidence. And justly so, and perhaps an aspect of their own Self is attempting to capture their attention.

JOHN: Now there’s another kind of synchronicity where two events happened to happen at basically the same time. In other words, someone was thinking that she needed to tell the truth about something and she is opening a window at the time, and the window mechanism has the word “truth” stamped on it.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. Again, your Self attempting to capture your attention, to get you to look that way. These all fit into the category very nicely.

MARK: And the third one?

(Phone rings)

JOHN: Oh I think…

MARK: You know what the third synchronicity is?

JOHN: Oh yes, we’ve got… well another one for instance was the one that I posted where I was double booked but I decided not to worry about it because I said “you know something is gonna resolve itself there” and the day of the appointment, the guy phones up and says “oh I booked you on the wrong day can you come in tomorrow” Right?

So in other words, I did nothing to solve that problem except say “oh, I noticed that there’s an issue there”, waited patiently and the thing resolved itself!

KRIS: And again, these are very small examples of so much more that you can tune in to and the trick is to allow these kinds of events or coincidences to simply show up in your life, invite them, see how many you can have within your field of experience during a certain amount of time for example, and how these are related to other situations in your life. What do these speak when they address you? What do they lead you to ponder?

MARK: We have a caller.

JOHN: I think we have a call. I hate to interrupt myself but I think… do we have… yeah we have…

KRIS: Could that be a coincidence that you were thinking of a caller?

(Chuckling)

JOHN: I think it may be a coincidence, let’s see. Hello you’re on the line!

ALAN: Hello John, Mark and Kris.

JOHN: Hello!

ALAN: It got obvious to me that you guys were somehow not tuned in to the Kris radio chat room and were missing some of the questions, and I’ve missed the last few minutes of conversation but if you would entertain a question or two that were posted earlier, I’d be happy to oblige.

JOHN: Wonderful, thank you.

ALAN: The first question was one that I had which really had to do with this issue of enchantment and the question was “doesn’t enchantment suggest a trance state in which the rational mind has little part and if this is really our reality then what is the function of the rational mind? Isn’t enchantment something that happens to us rather than something that we create?”

KRIS: Either way, you are still bound to create the situation. The rational mind still has a certain amount of play but it is not as prominent, allowing for what we have simply called the unofficial line of consciousness to have a little more room to flex its wings as it were, but you are simply engaging a different span of attention or trance state, the meaning is the same. You are always enchanted, but the quality and the manner of your enchantment is something else entirely. And in our humble opinion, do enchant yourself with what you want, it is usually considered far more pleasant than to entrance or enchant yourself with things you do not want. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yes it does, Kris. I guess the question that was kind of forwarded in by Jim Haswell is that “is this the same as kind of being stuck in a dream state? So is enchantment the same thing as the dream state or does it differ in some important way?”

KRIS: Now the enchantment we speak of… of course needs to involve your conscious perception. That is a way, a most efficient way to… we’ll simply say “domesticate” your rational intellectual conscious ego to begin appreciating the vaster capacities of the whole Self, widening and broadening your awareness in a gentle fascinating manner. Does that also make sense to you?

ALAN: If yes… if by our consciousness you mean the part of us that thinks that we are waking and not our overall consciousness.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus as you play with such seemingly simple concepts, even those parts of you that you might consider secondary to your intuitive emotional energies, begin to take an interest in the marvelous display of creativity that is generated by the whole Self as both conscious and subconscious as ultimately, a harmonious balance of the two generates a truly fortuitous and a graceful state of experience, not one at the expense of the other. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes I do. So what can we do from the point of view of the waking consciousness to encourage this greater state to take place?

KRIS: Allow. Invite. Suggest to yourself that you choose to allow these incidences to keep popping up all over the place so that you can notice for yourself how creative, how invented you all are. This goes well beyond simply thinking that “yes this makes sense that let us move on”. It leads directly to the very heart of what existence is about, the miraculous Self. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Right, so synchronicities is how we know when our whole Self for example is coming through.

KRIS: Indeed, leaving little tidbits, dangling small carrots, enticing you to follow and discover even more of what you are capable of, not leaving behind any aspects of the Self all but bringing the whole Self with it.

MARK: If I may…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: To answer your question that you asked just before this which ties all in, is you asked “what do we gain from all this, and from all these synchronicities?” And what we’re doing is building a body of any evidence that proves that we create our own reality.

KRIS: Indeed. That alone encourages other aspects of your personality structure including the ego, including the rational mind, the conscious self, the critical mind etc. that life is not something that must be kept at bay lest it be considered a danger but instead becomes a wonderful playground for all sorts of magical enchanting adventures that are not threatening but actually awakening. Do you follow?

JOHN: Woo hoo!

MARK: Yes oh yes.

KRIS: So this is not unlike… again, the difference between utilizing a blackboard to write out the chemical composition of the banana as opposed to going to Dairy Queen ordering the biggest banana split you can find and biting into it. Which would you prefer?

MARK: The banana split by far!

JOHN: Yes! Absolutely.

KRIS: And it does not prevent you from understanding the chemical equation but the chemical equation will never satisfy your sweet tooth.

JOHN: Right. Now Alan, have you got anything more?

ALAN: No I haven’t seen any new questions mostly because the chat room wasn’t aware that you guys weren’t picking them up, and frankly I think Kris has done a great job of answering things that I brought up.

KRIS: Then we have a question for the audience. How many synchronicities or serendipities are you inviting today or tomorrow, note them down, participate in the form if you must and share them.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: Sounds like a challenge to me!

KRIS: That can only encourage all of you to allow more.

JOHN: Sounds great. One of the things I love about serendipities or synchronicities is that you sometimes talk about breadcrumb trails and I think these little events are specifically designed to catch our attention, because I mean the thing about a synchronicity, a coincidence is that it does absolutely catches our attention and we sort of say “hmm… now what’s going on there.”

KRIS: Indeed! And the fact of the matter is, you do not even have to believe in them when they occur, they are striking.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Even when you say do not believe in coincidences, the point is not to believe or disbelieve but to acknowledge it and see where that leads to.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: I think the hardest ones to dismiss though are deja vu. They’re a real slap in the face.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: There are certain groups or philosophies concerning that particular issue that relegates it to little more than a hiccup in the brain.

MARK: I’ve even heard it said that the one, say the left eye, sees the room before the right eye, (chuckling) it’s really pushing it.

KRIS: Indeed. The point of the matter is that the physical mechanism, your physical body will adjust to perceive that shift in time/space you deja vu. So it may indeed seem as if certain neurons in the brain are firing before or after certain others, but the point of the matter is, that biological mechanism is making the adjustments necessary for the experience. And you need not worry, no one is yet ready to test a pill for this disorder.

(Chuckling)

And that is perhaps a more precise comment, when you experience deja vus or synchronicities there is a displacement of the order that is apparently established within the official line of consciousness, bleed-throughs from the unofficial. So have fun poking holes in reality.
JOHN: So really… your remember we talked at one point a while back about the fact that official reality had as many holes in it as Swiss cheese, I think we’ve identified one of those holes in official reality! Synchronicities! And there are a million of them. I mean if I have two or three a day and there’s you know, that means that there’s bajillions of them happening constantly.

KRIS: The point is to begin to experiment with them.

JOHN: Oh say that… we probably got just time to think about this Kris, there’s a question has arisen… “Can we at a certain point begin to sort of depend and rely on them?” For instance in my example of being double-booked, should I, can I get to the point where I’m like the airlines and I over-book every flight, understanding that synchronicity is gonna to cut the numbers down? (Chuckling)

KRIS: We believe that you do not have to worry about these things.

JOHN: All right.

KRIS: For the most part, your so-called subconscious or Inner Self is perfectly able to navigate any of the waters of life of that you travel in.

JOHN: Okay, it’s good to know.

KRIS: And it is non-addictive.

MARK: Okay kids, that’s our time for the night.

KRIS: Indeed we thank you for your enchanting consideration.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

MARK: And thanks, Alan for phoning in from Colorado to give us those Skypie questions, we appreciate it.

ALAN: Hey glad to help.

MARK: Okay, have a good night.

JOHN: Bye.

MARK: And thanks for Hugh on the boards and have a goodnight everybody!

(Session ends)

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