Altered States of Perception

October 28, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 28, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Ellen, Theresa, Lisa, Jerry, Anya, Marlene, Tom C., and Tom S.

(7:45 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration once again. What do any of you recall from the last telephone discussion?

ELLEN: Whales, whales, whales.

MARK: Oh, of course, whales. We had a whale of a time!

ELLEN: And dream portals.

JOHN: Oh yeah, the last International session … two weeks ago. That was the whale one.

MARK: “Your state of health is just a thought away and your dreams are even closer.”

ELLEN: That about wraps it up.

KRIS: And we believe that some of you have had some interesting experiences as a result of the discussion.

MARK: Indeed.

ELLEN: Anya and I have had great discussions! (Anya and I experienced meditative and dream connections with whale energies during the two weeks between the last International session and this one and have been dialoging about it on the Inner Visions Journal at Newworldview.com.)

KRIS: And how would you like to continue those experiences? (Silent pause) Then we take it that you do not want to continue those experiences?

MARK: Sure we do! We just don’t know how.

ANYA: Well, I had the most incredible experience with a connection with a whale Essence or whale girl or whatever was the image I received. I got, for the first time in my life, a dream that happened one morning and then it happened the next morning but with a changed event….. Because I knew what the end of the dream would be, I was in the dream state, changing the events and before the second dream, I was connected with my whale Essence again, so I’m pretty much blown away by the experimentation of connecting to those unknown areas.

KRIS: Now we believe you also had a question concerning the benefits of keeping the eyes open for some of the practices, correct?

[NOTE: In the morning's CMI (Consciousness Mentoring Institute) session, Kris led the group through an adventure in practice in which we were instructed to keep our eyes open throughout.]

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: Keeping your eyes open during practices can also enable you to become more familiar with that hypnagogic state, or the Bardo State, as you or your consciousness fluctuates between one set of experiences and another and it can enable you to more consciously direct the outcomes of some of those experiences, just as you managed to offer yourself a different ending to a dream state. Do you follow?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: Some of the experiences you might find easier for yourself if you maintain the practice with your eyes closed, but some are more interesting in some ways whilst the eyes are kept open, enabling you to understand the mechanics of consciousness by manipulating various states with the eyes open while still being almost completely concentrated or focused in another state. The contrast makes for additionally interesting adventures. Any other comments or observations?

TOM S.: I have a question, Kris, about what you’re saying. Would this also be a way of superimposing the experience in your meditation with whatever you see in the physical world?

KRIS: What do you mean?

TOM S.: Well, I remember you were talking about images in one session, I forget which it was, you made the suggestion of a flame, pretending it was a candle…. well, if you were imagining a candle with your eyes open on top of whatever else was out there in the objective or what we consider the real world, are you proposing this image to maybe be a way for us to perceive a way of finding our physical world to be more malleable than we otherwise think?

KRIS: You may discover with some practice that your inner environment may end up being completely unrelated to what you are semi-perceiving with eyes opened but unfocused. Initially the two might seem to have correlations or relationships, but eventually the two can be very, very different indeed. That also primes your awareness to engage experiences that normally would not be available to you, much in the same way that many students in class engage that practice: eyes open, apparently looking at the teacher and the blackboard, but their consciousness is so removed that there is very little of their awareness maintaining focus with the object of their physical senses, but instead, interacting with the objects of consciousness in their reverie or daydream, as it were. Does that make sense to you?

TOM S.: Yes it does. You could probably also apply that to somebody driving a car.

KRIS: And how many of you have driven from point A to point B, arriving at point B with almost no awareness of how you got there safely? That is a type of hypnagogic state. The monotonous action of driving enables a certain portion of your awareness to engage in other activities whilst you are contemplating various issues or subject matters and your physical body is maintaining the activity of driving, but you are concerned with other issues, hardly aware that you are turning here and there, left and right, heading towards your destination only to arrive there suddenly realizing you don’t recall the drive to your destination. Does that sound familiar?

(Yes)

You also utilize these states which are in themselves altered states, hypnotic states, trance states, all the time. By paying attention and utilizing this entirely natural propensity, you can learn to take advantage of those states for very specific purposes, such as engaging healing and nurturing, engaging communications with your inner Self, such as being aware of inner dialog — not the kind where you berate and beat yourself over the head — but the kind where you are exchanging dialog with energy. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

Any other observations?

TOM C.: Yeah, I have one, Kris. Is what you’re saying that we let our focus of our world slip a little bit and have this inner vision and look at our imagination from our inner imagination … there’s no need for this thing in our imagination that we see to reflect our inner world, because our outer world already is a reflection of our inner world, so what we’ll see in our imagination might be other communications?

KRIS: That is correct, and the more practiced you become of course, the easier it is for you to slip in and out of those states and we do wish that you carefully understand that there is no need for you to worry about slipping in and out of those states so much that you lose yourself, that you lose your conscious focus and you disappear to your reality. On the contrary, you cannot enter such states without conscious approval and the more practiced you become, the more flexible your consciousness is, just as maintaining the habit of remembering your dreams and writing them down does serve to make you more adept at the practice. The more you remember and write down, the more you tend to recall your dreams. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

In that same way, the more practiced you become at focusing in and out of your awareness, your present surroundings, you establish a precedent by which you feel safe in the world and can entertain inner conversations or adventures in altered states, some of which in exactly the same way that much of your dream content can become precognitive, so can you establish a precedent in your waking altered states, that some of those inner dialogs and movies, if you wish, scenarios that you create, can also attain a certain level of precognition. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely!

TOM S.: Can I comment on that, Kris? I’m wondering why we would want to have precognitive experience when it feels like we should be creating our future and not just learning about it.

MARK: Is there a difference?

ELLEN: Yeah, but so often in your precognitive dreams you don’t even recognize that at the time; you don’t realize it’s precognitive, until months later sometimes.

LISA: It’s like giving yourself an awareness of the future (words lost)

KRIS: For all intents and purposes, there is only one kind of reality. It is the one that you create. So you may need not concern yourself whether or not a reality is created by you or that one is given to you. Do you understand the difference? You are still creating elements of future potential and the only way to find out is to pay attention to the inner workings of your consciousness. Do you follow?

TOM C.: To find out what the potentials are that we’re creating, pay attention to your consciousness, yes.

KRIS: Any other questions or observations? Do feel free.

LISA: I have a question on the visualization exercise. For some reason I had the impression that I had to go slowly and I’m having difficulties with that rather than having it appear pretty fast.

KRIS: Can you explain yourself?

LISA: Well, when you were explaining how we would visualize the units of consciousness, like merging with the atoms and the molecules, I had a difficult time doing that. I’m used to visualizing quickly so that process was kind of slowing me down and I was having a hard time finishing.

KRIS: Then may we suggest to your lovely self that you try to slow it down even more.

LISA: (Giggling) Okay…

KRIS: For a very specific reason: Most individuals barely pay attention to anything that is occurring subjectively, or in their consciousness or awareness, at all because they or yourself are accustomed to a specific frequency if you like, a specific wavelength that runs at a specific speed. We have in the past suggested that slower or faster frequencies can in themselves bring about completely different experiences.

Compare the various frequencies of the flows of your consciousness much like all of the various radio signals that are floating about in your atmosphere, in your world, and in order to capture those signals, you need a radio tuner that tunes into the frequency of the various signals: ninety-eight point two, ninety-three point five, one-oh-one point four, and so on and so forth. Do you follow so far?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Thus, allowing the processes to slow down or speed up, whichever tickles your fancy, as it were, you are also opening yourself up to a greater flexibility of consciousness. It is possible even to pretend that you are entering a state where the frequency is so slowed down that even your words begin to (Here Kris actually draws out his words like a slowed-down recording) s-s-l-l-o-o-w-w d-o-o-w-w-n. Y-o-u-u-r th-o-o-u-u-g-h-t-s s-e-e-m t-o s-l-o-o-w d-o-w-w-n (Now he speeds up), whilst-others-can-go-on-very-fast-so-fast-you-barely-catch-them-at-all!

All of these various frequencies contain within themselves a great deal of experiences you do not avail yourself of because you are so accustomed to a specific, traditional frequency. Does that make sense so far?

LISA: Yes. Absolutely.

KRIS: Even your physical body, as we expressed this morning, can respond to some of those frequencies. For instance, you might feel an acceleration, even in your physical form, by tapping into frequencies that are faster than your norm. Or you might experience a deceleration when you happen to tap into a frequency that seems to be slower than your own. These are, of course interpretations of the specific energies involved in those altered states and you will be interpreting them in a manner suitable to you. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, very much so.

KRIS: Just as other kinds of frequencies may be interpreted by you in a completely different way without the notion of faster or slower, but bigger or smaller. Think of Alice in Wonderland with her cookies making her bigger and taller or smaller and shorter, so some of those frequencies can also be interpreted in that fashion simply because you have no other point of reference in order to interpret the resident energy in those states. Some others may be interpreted in yet other ways.

You might find yourself interpreting the energies of a particular state as very heavy or very light and you might even physically feel much lighter or much heavier. Perhaps your limbs might feel heavier or lighter than normal. There are countless variations on the themes and each one can greatly expand the field of your perceptions. Does that make sense as well?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Now when we say “energies,” “frequencies,” do understand that none of these states are necessarily dry and sterile, or static. On the contrary, you might perceive certain actions pertinent to those states in ways that you would interpret according to things that you know, references that you are familiar with. For instance, Theresa experienced an elvish type of energy configuration this morning during one of the meditations, so that is her way of interpreting the energies pertinent to that state in a manner that is familiar to her. It does not mean that the place per se that state of awareness is populated by elves. Those are your translations. The energies might, comparatively to yours, feel smaller, but still packed with wisdom and ingenuity in a way that would be interpreted in that fashion. Do you follow?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: And all of these states and all of the experiences and translations that you engage from those states are the various ways that you interpret aspects of your own self. You are always more than the sum of all of your parts. You are even more than anything and everything that you think is perceivable in the universe, but remember, you only perceive a specific set of bandwidths concerning the universe, and what you perceive you may think is all there is to perceive about it, but do not let that type of assumption necessarily become an absolute.

For instance, animals, many animals see wavelengths of light that you do not. Some creatures see in wavelengths that you might not imagine. Others hear wavelengths of sound that your ear would never detect either above or below the range that you detect. Does it mean that if you cannot hear it, the sound does not exist? If you cannot see it, does it mean that there is nothing to be seen?

You know, for instance, that when you look at a wall from six feet away, you may think there is nothing there between your eyes and the wall that you perceive six feet away and yet there is another part of you that is fully aware that the space, in fact all of space as you think of it, is occupied by units of consciousness, particles of energy as it were, and that your physical senses interpret certain given bandwidths of energy as solid objects and others as there being nothing there to observe. Do you follow?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: So you have an ability to experience so much more than what your physical senses tell you exists or does not exist. In that respect, your physical senses are lovely liars. They do not tell you everything, per se, but only that which is in their capabilities of interpreting; which is in their range of interpretation.

(Somewhere a phone rings.)

We are not answering the telephone! (Group chuckling) So for all intents and purposes, your physical senses give you a picture of your reality, but your inner perceptions can give you an entirely different picture of the very same reality that your physical senses are interpreting for you. Now of course, some would say that is sheer poppycock and the only reality that exists is the one that your senses perceive. Yet, if we were to ask you in that vein, that since you cannot see air, it does not exist, so there is no need for you to breathe. Your physical body would definitely object, of that we are certain. Does that also make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And does that answer your question and then some?

LISA: (Chuckling) Wow! Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, there are individuals who have experiences in altered states and they may see unicorns and fairies and other mythical creatures and become convinced that these kinds of creatures exist because they have perceived them without ever considering that these are interpretations of energy wavelengths. There may very well be other forms of consciousness at those wavelengths, but they are not necessarily mythical creatures. That is the way you interpret them. Does that make sense?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: In the same way that you might, in an altered state, perceive beings of great light and energy, perhaps beings that are very big compared to you, or perhaps they have big heads — not bubble heads, but big heads! — and that seem to exist in other dimensions and it might seem as you come out of that experience, that such beings exist because that was your experience. Again, we would urge the perceiver to consider the possibility that indeed such other forms of consciousness may very well exist but they may not necessarily exist in the way you perceive them because your perceptions are the interpretations of those types of energy configurations.

In exactly the same way that you yourselves know that you are not your physical bodies, but because it is the way you interpret your energy in that fashion you might be prone to believing that this is what you are and the way you look. However, that is not necessarily the case. At that particular frequency of energy, that particular wavelength of consciousness, that is how you interpret yourselves and others that are cohabiting that particular line of consciousness.

What if your true form were so different that you might have difficulty actually translating it such that you utilize the next best thing? What if you do not have only two eyes, but hundreds if not thousands of eyes? What if you had not one head, but hundreds and thousands, and hundreds of thousands of arms and legs? What if your true form is actually the universe itself, and even more than? But more than the universe you might have difficulties in grasping.

And yet, you are accustomed to focusing your own energies and interpretations thereof onto one tiny point of consciousness, thinking that this is all that you are: one head, two eyes, one nose, one mouth, two arms — if you are lucky — and two legs. Now, if you did have hundreds and thousands and millions of heads, what about your mind? Do you have just the one mind you think you have, or do you have hundreds and thousands and millions of minds, or is the mind so vast in itself that it cannot necessarily be counted. It can be both millions, infinitely or one as an infinite oneness and yourselves as well.

It is not that you are spread out throughout the universe, but that the universe itself is one of your other forms and what if, just like your one physical body is one of your expressions, the universe as you think you know it is but one of your expressions and that there are hundreds and thousands and perhaps even infinite kinds of universes, even in one dimension, never mind in others. So we have been advised to stop, because your minds are becoming stretched!

(Group laughter)

But for all intents and purposes, this gives you much food for thought and with that we will allow you a very nice little break to rest your minds.

[Break at 8:25]

JOHN: It’s hard enough for me to think of being this universe, but millions of universes?! He came back from that after saying there was the one mind, eh?

MARK: That’s right, so it’s all really one opinion. No matter which opinion is being expressed, it’s yours.

[Kris jumps back in at 8:30 PM]

KRIS: Now we trust that you have had many, many nice little breaks, all within one. In the ancient Rig Veda, which is a very ancient remnant of information, of course translated and many interpretations over, gives notion about something you call the “Net of Indra.” This can give you a very nice snapshot of an interpretation of multiple points of consciousness within one kind of awareness.

[NOTE: The Rig Veda is the earliest of the four Vedas and is composed entirely of mantric poems. The other Vedas are the Sama Veda, the Yajur Veda, and the Atharva Veda. These Hindu teachings of inspiration and insight followed a path from oral transmission to transcription in Sanskrit. In a sense, the Vedas and the Upanishads are all collections of Sanskrit mantras linked together and intended to convey timeless ideas on a wide range of subjects. In the Rig Veda, spiritual matters of cosmology and individual development are set forth in grand mystical phrases and practices.

The Net of Indra: Suspended above the palace of Indra, the god who symbolizes the natural forces that protect and nurture life, is an enormous net. A brilliant jewel is attached to each of the knots of the net. Each jewel contains and reflects the image of all the other jewels in the net, which sparkles in the magnificence of its totality.

The Hindu myth of Indra's Net provides an allegory of interdependent organization. This net exists in Indra's palace in heaven and extends infinitely in all directions. At each node of the net where threads cross there is a perfectly clear gem that reflects all the other gems in the net. As each gem reflects every other one; so are you affected by every other system in the universe.

As the threads of Indra's net bind the gems to the net so do our physical bodies bind our minds and other physical entities bind other systems to the universe. Through the threads we reach each other, passing information across the expanses of space. Yet how did this ballet of information ever come about? You see new systems constantly spring to life, arising out of near chaos creating a small pattern that presents a new random twist to that thread of existence."]

And in many ways it is handed down from ancient Speaker manuscripts as is another depiction in a similar ancient writing called the “Bhagavad Gita” where the deity describes the universal form that some take to be frightening indeed, but from our perspective, it does give you again an inkling of the vastness of each individual’s consciousness away from the rather limited or narrow perception that all of your consciousness is directed and focused and orchestrated through the one venue of the one physical form that you now have, but that instead the universal form is an interpretation of perceptions concerning Essence and all of its various expressions.

Hundreds if not thousands of focuses, probabilities and so on and so forth, so there are hints and remnants of ancient knowledge sown here and there, still valid throughout many of what you call your ancient or sacred writings. What is needed is an interpretation of what it means separate from all the dogmas and orthodoxy that has arisen around many of these ancient writings, as if each writing is the one exclusive way to salvation, whilst in truth each of them contains seeds and even interpretations and distortions.

And these can awaken within you all those ancient memories that are still present within your consciousness, but simply in areas that you either have never ventured into or have forgotten completely, as if you have forgotten rooms or even entire wings of your house, looking at some writings concerning your house and eventually noticing that some of the descriptions hint at the potential for other rooms, other wings of the house.

But is it taboo to venture there? Is it forbidden? And if it is, why is it? Is it because it would reveal the truth behind the interpretations and the distortions? That is for you to discover and whilst we are on that topic, perhaps you would all care to join us on a small adventure. This one you can do with your eyes closed, sitting comfortably, making certain your hands are not tied together, preferably that your feet are on the ground in a comfortable manner so as not to prevent or hamper circulation.

And as you begin to pay attention to the sound and tone and energy of our voice, also pay some attention to your breathing. The gentle, rhythmic rising and falling of your chest as you take in air and release it … and begin to notice where a gentle sensation of relaxation begins in your body, perhaps in a hand, on a leg or the head, in the back. And as you pay attention to the tone of our voice and your rhythmic breathing, begin to follow the gentle relaxation as it spreads into the entire area of the body and into other areas of the body, gently spreading all over the body now, allowing you to become more and more relaxed.

And as you listen to the tone of our voice, you can pretend or imagine, see in your mind’s eye a beautiful entrance, perhaps a gate or doorway that leads to stairs that go down. And as you become more and more relaxed, you allow yourself to take hold of the handrail and go down the ten steps at the bottom of which you will be in a very relaxed state indeed.

Taking the handrail now, you start going down… One, two, deeper now… three, four, five… pause for one moment and become aware of the part of you that observes, the observer part, the witness part, and invite that part or aspect of you to join you on the fifth stair and to take the journey with you for companionship … and now continuing down … six, deeper still … seven, eight, very deep now, nine, and ten.

At the bottom of the stairs on a beautiful landing or platform that leads down a corridor towards another entrance or gateway. This entrance leads to an inner chamber, a chamber of ancient truths. A chamber where, deep in your consciousness you have a reservoir of all of the ancient knowledge of the ages and that this ancient knowledge is maintained by an aspect of yourself, or even aspects of yourself that are like caretakers. They nurture that ancient wisdom for the moment when you will return your awareness and begin exploring the contents of this chamber deep in your consciousness.

Perhaps you have a particular idea of how this caretaker or caretakers may look like. Enjoy the perception. Head towards this chamber, down the hallway … perhaps it is filled with bright light or bright colors or energy … perhaps to some of you it looks like an ancient library with books and manuscripts reaching as high as the ceiling, walls extending as far as perception is possible. For others there may be jars or containers of knowledge also arranged in a way you can interpret it.

It might be different for some others, but reach into this room, meet the caretakers…. and know that even the appearance of a room or a hall or a chamber is also an interpretation, that this is a living consciousness, an aspect of your own being that is deeply embedded in the folds and layers of your consciousness in a way that you can perceive it from your perspective. That this is living, dynamic energy that reaches even beyond your notions of time and space….

Observe, sense, feel … reach into this imagery…. for some of you the entire scene might be entirely different, perhaps it is a scene of water with whales or other creatures in that place. For others, the beings might be almost ethereal. Whatever your interpretation, observe it….interact…. know that in some ways, you are walking down the annals of history, down the corridors of time and space, into areas even before there was a time and space…. where ancient knowledge is stored and retrieved… perhaps you even get specific sensations or interpretations of feelings. Take note of them…. Observe and notice the environment, its contents…. and in a moment, you will bid goodbye to the environment, at least until you return.

Leave the chamber now, that place in your consciousness that contains all of this knowledge, going back out of the chamber to the hallway, back towards the bottom of the stairs, knowing that you can bring back as much as you want to recall and that you can also return there when you feel so drawn … and with your hand on the handrail, you go back up the stairs now… Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. At the top of the stairs, feeling very good about yourselves, refreshed in every way, perhaps wiser even, more conscious.

And in a moment we will count from three to one, and at one you will open your eyes, be fully conscious and present in your environment, refreshed and feeling good about yourself in every way. And perhaps you can take a nice deep breath to give the body that little boost of energy…. Three, two, and one, eyes open now, fully present and conscious, awake, aware, refreshed, feeling good about yourselves. And we will allow you another small pause wherein you can discuss and describe some of your experiences.

MARK: 8:49. Break.

TOM S.: Can I share a little something? With the past meditations, this is the first time I’ve gotten this, so I want to share with you… I’ve never had this before. When Kris mentioned that other chamber, I suddenly got this urge, a really physical urge to stand up and walk into that chamber, and I never got that urge before. It really surprised me.

JOHN: So DID you stand up and walk into it?

TOM S.: No, I didn’t. I… I didn’t (Chuckling). In the vision I did, but physically I did not stand up.

JOHN: Well… (Noting Kris’ return)… Oh! I think he’s back.

KRIS: Now, we need to comment on that, if you do not mind.

TOM S.: Not at all.

KRIS: Next time you remember this experience and you feel an urge to do so, you might actually benefit from standing, perhaps even opening the eyes, while still being deeply entranced, and if you feel that this chamber is only a few feet from you, do move in that area. Hopefully it is not through a wall! If it is physically feasible, head to where you perceive the chamber to be. Do you follow?

TOM S.: Yes, I do.

KRIS: And when you are there, allow your consciousness to open up that much more to the experience. Remember that there are NO separations between your physical and non-physical experiences and your physical body might actually be able to detect an area of consciousness, physically interpreted, where you may have access. Does that make some sense to you?

TOM S.: Yes, it does. It makes a lot of sense to me. Very awe-inspiring.

KRIS: It need not be in the great depths of space as you think of it. It may be indeed so close that you can actually reach out and touch it, as it were. Do you follow?

TOM S.: Yes.

KRIS: This applies to all of you. Now, do feel free to continue your break. We apologize for the interruption.

JOHN: (Humorously) Okay, Tom, that’s enough from you! Anybody else?

LISA: (Laughing) That was great!

ANYA: Tom Chez was just saying that Kris always tells you if there is an open door, go through the door, if there is a stream, dive into the stream. He was talking about the dream state, right?

TOM C.: Yes, that’s correct. Kris has told me that and how we need to explore and if an impulse comes in the dream state, just go for it, or in the hypnagogic state or trance state or whatever.

LISA: Try not to oppose, but to allow it.

MARK: If you remember that the laws of physics are very different in the dream state than they are in reality, so you can set them aside in that dream state and do the things that you normally wouldn’t.

TOM C.: That’s the tricky part, to remember.

MARK: Well, it’s amazing, but you do.

TOM C.: Sometimes, yeah, sometimes not.

MARK: Yeah, true. I couldn’t find a single chamber. I ended up in this huge castle and the castle was the chamber.

ELLEN: Anya?

ANYA: Yes?

ELLEN: Were your caretakers, were they whales?

ANYA: I was in a very, very… I did not get images, but when he said water, I was wondering if I was in the ocean because it was very deep, almost like Brahm’s energy at the Lotus workshop, I didn’t get images but the deep blue was absolutely stunning, it was so powerful. I’m definitely going to go there tonight and I wouldn’t be surprised because it did seem like a deep, deep ocean, Ellen. What did you get?

ELLEN: I did get whales and I thought, “Oh, I’ve got whales on the brain!” you know… (Chuckling)

(Group laughter)

SERGE: You old whale brain, you!

MARK: Size queen!

ELLEN:(Laughing) And then Kris said something about whales and I thought, “Oh, that’s okay, then.” But interestingly, when I was getting that part of the visual, I had the urge to hum, you know like make a little vibration, a little humming…. because I’ve been getting into sound yoga … but I hadn’t muted myself and I thought “Oh, I can’t do that…” (Laughs)

THERESA: Why not? I do!

ELLEN: Well, I didn’t want to disturb anyone, so I’m glad that Tom said what he did about having that urge to get up and walk because that…. and … and what Kris just said about obeying those urges.

JOHN: Yes, so let’s hear that hum next time!

ELLEN: Okay!

ANYA: Oh, we’re going to have a very interesting dream tonight!

ELLEN: One unified dream with…. how many heads and eyes do we have?

LISA: Well, I definitely want to remember it.

[Kris returns at 9:00 PM]

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are having some very nice experiences. Do know that you can continue those experiments, that you can enhance your abilities and your knowledge by keeping up some of these practices, repeating them and especially allowing yourself to follow the experiences when they seem to take up a life of their own. Do you follow?

(Yes)

There is an incredible amount of benefits to be had by pursuing such practices, expanding your abilities of consciousness, discovering more and more how it is that you make for yourselves the experiences and the realities that you live on a daily basis, especially knowing that the physical experience itself is not the only one you are limited to. And perhaps in a short amount of time we can offer you a tele-seminar on dreams to assist you in further experiencing the incredible flexibility of your awareness.

MARK: Tele-seminar as in television or telephone?

KRIS: Live feed perhaps with Talkshoe or some other process.

MARK: Sweet!

KRIS: Enhancing your flexibility and your great creativity in tapping into this potential of yours to which you are presently awakening. Perhaps such a tele-seminar could be six to eight weeks, one evening a week. If some of you are interested, perhaps you can work out the details with Joseph and Philip. Now then, do you have any comments or questions before we return you to your lovely selves?

ELLEN: I had a little experience today, and I hope it’s not too out of context from the discussion, but I’d like to get your comment on it. I went to a workshop, a small seminar/workshop today, and we were asked to pair up with a stranger and exchange personal items. The young woman I was with, she gave me her ring and I gave her my keys, and –

KRIS: We trust that you got your key back?

ELLEN: (Laughs) Yeah, well I’m here, so I guess I got it back!

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Anyway, we were supposed to go into a small altered state and try to pick up something on the other person … you know, the art of psychometry, I guess they call it … anyway I picked up some things about her life, and they were hits about her present life, but what she picked up on me was totally different. She picked up on sixty years ago and a house that didn’t describe any house that I’ve ever lived in, and a few other things, and near the end she said something about … there were a lot of papers and machines, she thought somebody was into accounting or something like that, and then she saw a lot of bottles of alcohol. And I realized what she must have been picking up was my World War II focus that I’ve been working on with Emmy for the last few months. And I thought that was kind of interesting that she would pick up on that focus instead of my present focus. I was wondering if you had any comments about that.

KRIS: It is not surprising since it does preoccupy a good portion of your thought processes and she — this young lady — is intuitive enough without necessarily truly knowing the depth of her intuition. She would not have picked up on those things had you not allowed it as well. There is both a desire to be private with this sharing you do as well as a desire to share some of it. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Oh, yes.

KRIS: So it is likely she detected this aspect of your energy at that point.

ELLEN: Okay, thanks.

MARK: Give Charlie his keys back, eh?!

ELLEN: (Laughing)

KRIS: Now then if you are all interested in pursuing YOUR adventures, do follow suit. Experiment. Play with consciousness. Consciousness was not meant for you to have white gloves on. It is meant for you to play as children play in the dirt and the mud and the sand. They wear it, they eat it. Do you follow?

(Yes)

So have fun with your mud pies, and we return Joseph to you.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

[Session ends at 9:07 PM]

Detailed Roll Call:
Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip) and John (Sohars)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)
Halifax: Theresa (Ramacharita)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar) and Jerry
Utah: Anya (Greensleeves)
Arizona: Marlene
Hawaii: Tom C. (Desiré)
New Jersey: Tom S. (Ramruva)

Kris Radio: “Image”-Nation or Imagination

October 25, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 25, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I will be co-hosting the show this evening along with…

JOHN: Along with your friend John Hawkins who is very happy to be… happy to be… what my happy about?

SERGE: Just happy to be happy.

JOHN: Anyway I’m just happy. Well I went to “The Happiness Project” so that’s my excuse. Here we are, Thursday night again, Kris radio in the offing… and of course we have to pay due consideration to our dear friend Serge.

SERGE: And welcome everyone to another episode of Kris radio show on thatradio.com.

MARK: So actually Matthew is not able to join us tonight but in lieu of, we have Alan in Colorado, correct?

ALAN: Yeah, if I’m coming through.

MARK: Yeah!

JOHN: Yeah!

SERGE: That’s really good!

MARK: Nice and clear, Alan.

ALAN: Yeah, I get to be Matt for a day.

(Laughter)

ALAN: By the way he sends his regards, he said he left Ottawa at 8 o’clock last night, got two hours sleep and is in the middle of Missouri, and we always called it the state of misery, so I think it’s probably appropriate.

(Laughter)

MARK: Now we know why!

(More chuckling)

JOHN: Well were going to have, I’m sure we’re going to have a very, very entertaining radio show. You know these radio shows are becoming world famous.

MARK: Indeed.

JOHN: I get the odd e-mail, not… not a lot, but occasionally I get an e-mail from people saying “Oh, we heard you on the Kris radio” and it’s wonderful to hear that stuff so I think you know, we should be aware that we’re talking to the whole planet and to the ages here.

MARK: Oh indeed, indeed. And since I’ve got the world by the ear… (chuckling) I’m just gonna throw a teaser out for the next Kris workshop next spring in Arizona. And this is gonna be a retreat.

JOHN: Oh!

MARK: It’s going to be… actually at Matt and Nicole’s property, we believe we can put 40 people on the property so the price of the workshop…

SERGE: And maybe even more.

MARK: Maybe even more, the price of the workshop will include your stay, your meals, and it’s gonna include a visit to Sedona with Kris, oh it’s gonna be wild… quite the event.

JOHN: That sounds great!

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: So yeah, that’s probably gonna be, yeah, right now we’re looking at March 8th and 9th, Saturday, Sunday.

JOHN: And with the loonie at the par, hopefully, still. [The Canadian Dollar coin is referred to as a "loonie" because of the loon depicted on one side of it.]

MARK: Or higher.

JOHN: I think we’ll be able to do a little…is there gonna be a shopping trip worked into the itinerary?

MARK: Why not? You create your own reality!

(Laughter)

MARK: And we have a CMI this Sunday.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: As well as an International Sunday isn’t it?

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Is it International or is it Toronto?

JOHN: International.

MARK: International this Sunday as well. So we’re looking forward to those events!

JOHN: And how’s the video experiment coming?

MARK: Oh um well…

SERGE: Which one?

(Laughter)

SERGE: You mean like “The Happiness Workshop” video?

JOHN: Well the streaming video of various events is that…

SERGE: Oh there still some things to be worked out and for instance if somebody’s, if we’re doing it at home with a speakerphone like we did for the last CMI, CMI last Sunday morning…

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: Then you know, everyone has to be aware that they need to turn their speakers off if they’re also using a phone or a speakerphone because then there’s double feedback coming through our phone line, so just little things that need to be worked out. But it’ll eventually, you know…

MARK: Basically the video feed should be considered like a TV show and it can’t be interactive, and that’s the problem. We’ve been trying to make it interactive. So when you’re on the phone and watching the video there’s… there can be up to a one minute delay, usually around 14 seconds but depending on where you are and what type of internet connection you have. So if you’re watching the video, you’re gonna be behind.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: So and then what happens is, Kris starts talking and then it comes through 14 seconds or more later on somebody’s computer and comes out the speakers into their microphone, it comes back to our speakerphone and then ends up on the air again, back through our system (chuckling)

JOHN: That was happening last time.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Yeah, it’s a little disconcerting. It puts a strain even on our simultaneous multidimensional nature.

MARK: Yeah, indeed. So were gonna have to look at using it as a broadcast only, a non-interactive video feed.

JOHN: Well that’s fine.

SERGE: if you find a way to interact with the feed and then you can interact with your TV, then give us a call, we want to patent that.

(Laughter)

JOHN: But you know, just a thought, I’m considering what you’re describing here, but if it’s not interactive, then it doesn’t have to be real time.

MARK: Right, well exactly and that’s what we’re moving to next I think, is Kris video…

SERGE: Like video pods.

MARK: …video pods.

JOHN: Yeah, like the inductions that you download, you can download the video show!

MARK: Exactly!

SERGE: And actually… was it yesterday or Tuesday? It would’ve been Tuesday I think, Kris did another one, he called it “The Art of Mood” and it’s basically a relaxation technique to actually change your mood if you don’t like the mood you’re in.
JOHN: Oh that’s very handy.

SERGE: And it’s about 26 – 27 minutes, so it’s one of the longer ones so far. And I tried to upload it today but the servers were down, I couldn’t upload it at all, but I would imagine that in the next 24 hours it’ll be available. It’s called “The Art of Mood”.

JOHN: And even though it’s that long, is it still the same price?

SERGE: Yeah.

JOHN: Like you know, five bucks or whatever.

SERGE: Yeah. $5.99.

MARK: And we’re still on the process of working on the website so there are some distorted links, links that go to the wrong pages…

SERGE: Or nowhere.

MARK: Or nowhere, but on the major page, the links all work and I’m trying very hard to straighten those out but that’s coming along and I think in the long run we’re gonna change the website completely again but… to a much better and easier to use system where I’m not chasing links down all the time.

JOHN: Good plan!

MARK: So that’s coming down the pipe as well.

JOHN: Well you know the way the web is going, I don’t know like, I have joined Netfirms and you go in there and you pick, you say you want to create a blog and it’s all done for you, it’s all, you just, you pick the look and feel that you want and they’ve got like easily 50 different looks and you just pick it and in fact I’ve been playing with it today even after your blog is up and you’ve got a bunch of material in it, you can still change the, it’s like a skin…

MARK: Yeah, exactly.

JOHN: …you can still change the look and feel of it, but with no programming at all. It’s great!

MARK: Technology!

JOHN: So I think that’s the way websites are likely gonna go.

MARK: Oh yeah, big time, big time. So we’re looking at all the different options possible and moving forward with that.

(Pause)

MARK: We don’t know the theme tonight but I’m sure it’s going to be a continuation of the continuum that we’ve been following the last…

JOHN: It’ll be more sutra, more sutras of the Orodin.

MARK: Its part of the continuum.

JOHN: Yes of course! The “K” continuum.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your lovely consideration.

ALL: Thank you.

KRIS: Now do you recall anything about last week’s show?

JOHN: Absolutely! Some wonderful material in last week’s show about how we create our reality and using the tool box in a constructive rather than a repair mode.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And also using pixels, the units of consciousness to create health, healing or manifesting, one pixel at a time.

KRIS: Now we presented this idea with a very specific goal of assisting the individual (to) train himself or herself in a very gentle but disciplined fashion. In other words, to practice this art of utilizing your inner vision or you may call it your imagination or image nation if you like, however you wish to pronounce it or say it or call it. And it is a faculty that you cannot function without, period. This faculty is sometimes more pronounced, more acute, more intense with some individuals and less with others, and some are convinced that they simply do not have this ability until you point out to them that they do.

So in other words, you cannot have your existence without this ability, the ability to image, to create imagery in your mind’s eye. It is the basic and primary method of communication, not only amongst your own kind but with other life forms or species as well. And it is strictly related to what you call the intuitions. You do not primarily communicate with the words. At that layer of consciousness, syntax is considered secondary and even at times to be too cumbersome to utilize. So images, as is often said, “pictures are worth a thousand words”, stands true.

These abilities to image in your mind, to create and receive image, encapsulates a much more rapid system of communication since images encapsulating thousands of meanings and words, can be projected a most individuals faster than thought itself. And this ability is innate to all life forms, even those life forms you would consider inconsequential, which by the way there is no such thing as an inconsequential life form.

The clarity, the preciseness, the depth, the intensity and so on, of the images in your mind precipitates the creation of events and circumstances, conditions etcetera. The clearer the image, the more intense the levels of energy behind it, and it does not necessarily mean that the more clear and intense an image is, that it is a guarantee of it manifesting in the way you are accustomed to.

It does mean however that your own inner experiences can be that much sharper, enhanced and profound. And even for those individuals who are uncertain if they are able to see these images in their mind’s eye, a simple question can rectify that and put it into context. Now we have encountered individuals that are convinced that such imageries should immediately begin appearing in three dimensional form in front of them instantly. For instance, if you ask of them to visualize a pool, a swimming pool, they may feel that this swimming pool should appear in front of them physically now.

MARK: Sort of like the Nestea plunge?

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Quite. Precisely! However, that is not necessarily the case, but a simple questions such as if we were to ask you what is the color of your bedspread?

JOHN: Mine at home is actually, it’s a kind of a Southwest multicolor thing, browns, greens…

KRIS: Indeed and if we were to ask Hugh the color of his bedspread?

HUGH: It’s uh, yeah, it’s got some gold in it, some burgundy.

KRIS: Indeed and yours?

MARK: Lately, silver. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. How did you all come about deciding this?

MARK: Visualized it.

JOHN: I saw it in my mind’s eye!

KRIS: Indeed. So you brought the image from your memory up to your awareness.

JOHN: Instantly!

KRIS: You pilfered through your files, in other words and found one that said “bedspread” and brought it up into your mind’s eye so you can then examine it! And that is what this is all about. Simple is it not?

JOHN: Works great!

KRIS: Very simple process. Any other imageries can be brought up at any time from any event in your life. Some may be more difficult to bring up in terms of memory, depending on how buried it is and how much importance or significance you give it, as a means to be recalled. Nonetheless, all such images belong to the realm of the imagination. Without it, you could also not figure out what you will wear tomorrow at the office because you have to imagine yourself first, wearing it. Nor what kind of car you would like to drive in because you have to picture it.

JOHN: May I just interject a quickie?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Let say… this came up for me recently… let’s say what I want is something that really isn’t… like for instance, I want a fulfilling job. Well that’s really, there’s really no image that… like you know…

KRIS: Indeed. The vagary of it is such that your subconscious mind has nothing to grab on to, to give it substance. But if you can define a fulfilling job and add in the details, including what you will feel like doing that job and what you will gain from it, what the outcome of such a job is, then definitely, your subconscious mind has some material to work with.

JOHN: Ah, okay. So it’s helpful to break it down into actual experiences.

KRIS: Indeed. And of course they are all entirely subjective. However, the strength of that subjective event is such that it gives it fuel, it gives it substance, with which the subconscious mind or if you wish, your inner self has something to work with. And there is a greater likelihood that you will actually experience it in your physical life.

MARK: I guess it would also be important to imagine the “do wants” in a job and not the “don’t wants” in a job.

KRIS: Of course, because the “don’t wants” only bring more of what you do not want. Now, all that being said, the reason why we began describing this ability to create pictures or images from the ground up in your mind’s eye is to accustom the individual to be clear in the mind, to use the innate properties of consciousness in such a manner that you can also intensely feel and live the experience without any doubt whatsoever, since you understand the process. Does that make sense to you?

ALL: Yes.

JOHN: For sure.

KRIS: Now what do you imagine would be the purpose in our doing this so far?

JOHN: I imagine that you’re laying the groundwork for us to… I mean obviously this is learning how to image and create what we want, so I see a movement in the last two or three months away from fixing problems and bringing us up to kind of par to sort of looking at our potential and saying “hmm, why don’t we bring some of this untapped potential into play?”

KRIS: Indeed. Now then, since part of your assumption is based on what you have experienced so far, and in part based upon what you might project with a certain kind of ambiguity, all very nicely done. We may perhaps expand upon it some more…

JOHN: Please.

KRIS: …in the sense that if we invite you or you or you or any of you to begin journeying with us into the inner reaches or the inner dimensions of your own selfhood, where you need to recognize more and more, the power that exists within that dimension of Self, where this tool of imaging is a prerequisite so that you can actually relate to it, then you might have some significant experiences. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does and I think what we’re talking about here is often left out of this modern, new age material on conscious creation or it’s very quickly brushed over, but yet it’s very integral part of it, it’s key.

KRIS: Indeed. The exploration of those unofficial lines of your personal consciousness may contain far more wisdom, knowledge and practical experiences that can assist you in tearing back what you call the veil of unknowing in such a fashion that you can experience without a doubt, those greater dimensionalities of your Being, that you can travel into other areas where your experiences, though not conforming to the official line of consciousness, still have a great deal of validity.

Many of you have great desires to meet or discover other kinds of energies. And many of you expect that actually they will simply drop into your living room. Perhaps even say something like “hi, we are just dropping by, nevermind us.” Unfortunately such experiences will not necessarily be what will happen, but by utilizing your innate properties of consciousness in such a clear, distinct fashion, then the experiences attain a unique validity all their own and need no justification, might need proper interpretation, especially in the initial stages.

This is an opportunity then to discover other aspects of your own multidimensional nature. Many of you are very willing to accept the idea that you and the universe are one. Well what if that universe started revealing itself to you, what then? What if it did call your bluff?

(Chuckling)

JOHN: That might take some getting used to.

KRIS: Indeed. That is part of the widening of awareness that comes with this shift, this renaissance in consciousness. There was indeed a time, not that long ago, when certain gateways were opened, where the beliefs of the collective were such that occurrences with the divines or deities, sometimes even referred to as supernatural beings, were not the kind of thing that would have you put away, questioning your sanity. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: People were wont to see angelic or divine beings. In the ancient Greek customs and other civilizations, dream encounters and sometimes even waking encounters with the gods and goddesses were not cause to have you put in a straight jacket but were often reason to consult with the Oracles. Do you follow?

JOHN: I think so.

MARK: Yeah, it’s over the years and centuries…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: …and decades of past, everybody’s and every culture has had contact, so to speak, and be it using their belief structures, but now once you get into this day and age, every time you say you’ve seen anything spiritual, metaphysical or foreign, you’re crazy.

KRIS: Hmm, perhaps not crazy, but the doctor has appeal for it.

(Laughter)

KRIS: In such days and times, it was actually part of the cultural beliefs that such visions and inner experiences, whether in dreams or waking states, were a signal, a communication from the deities, from the supernatural beings. Nowadays, the story is very different and there was a time when the tide occurred and things changed and order was put upon your culture and civilization, such that if any man, woman or child saw anything but these precise things, they were considered quite dangerous, put to death or tortured, and the authority of the leaders was never to be questioned. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

(John Confirms)

KRIS: And those who thought differently were simply dispensed with. Thus for a time, such experiences were literally submerged in the subconscious. And it must be understood that such visitations, visions and inner experiences, waking or sleeping, had to do with other aspects of the individuals themselves that were camouflaged in the beliefs, the religions of the times. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: I think so.

KRIS: And today’s renaissance is no different.

JOHN: So may I just leap in and paraphrase?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: It seems to me you’re suggesting that with our… by practicing this imagery process and by understanding that when we perceive things we’re actually creating them, and by understanding that we have untapped, vast untapped potential, it seems to me you’re describing the possibility of us having experiences within the reasonable future that are akin, related, similar to the kinds of things you’re describing that happened in the past.

KRIS: And not necessarily always things that happened in the past but it is definitely such that you can reawaken that inner talent to communicate, to open the portals or gateways to those other, we will simply call them “higher”, but that is not an absolutely appropriate word because it offers distortion, but this other more mature or sometimes less mature aspect of your own multidimensional Self or experience. And you need a medium, do forgive the pun, but you do need a certain kind of medium within which those experiences are translated and that medium is your imagination.

JOHN: Oh, that’s interesting.

KRIS: So if it is unprepared, then again, you might have difficulties holding the imagery and the experience and the exchange involved. We are not claiming here that of course everyone will now be having energy exchanges left, right and center because many people still, even though they think they actually know what an energy exchange is, have no clue what it is. All that said and done, if you wish to run a 5 or 10 K, do you simply decide one morning and get up and run 5 or 10 K?

MARK: No, you rehearse, you practice, you exercise, you workout, you limber up.

JOHN: You get new shoes.

KRIS: Indeed. You prepare, you practice. You make yourself available for that purpose, correct?

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: The same applies if you want to become a cordon bleu chef. You don’t suddenly, one day walk into a world class restaurant, put on a tall white hat and say “now I am a cordon bleu chef and I will cook you the best damn hot dog you have ever had.”

(Laughter)

KRIS: And no matter whether it is Shopsey’s or not, or an Oscar Meyer, that will not do. Everything you do, you practice at. When you were children and you practiced at walking so that you could walk. You crawled, you took your first steps, you imagined yourself going from the couch to the coffee table even if you did fall once or twice on your bum, correct?

MARK: Correct.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Therefore what we are suggesting follows those same lines, a certain amount of practice makes for an enhanced ability to fine tune that imagination of yours. Whether you have sexual fantasies or not is not the point. The point is to focus upon where that energy is and what it is creating in the mind, what you are creating in the mind and what you are allowing yourself to create. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

(John confirms)

JOHN: So Kris what would the practice elements be then, just simply being aware of where our attention, what… surely that’s not enough, I mean…

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: But obviously, what we’ve been talking about, of visualizing creation and from pixel one up…

KRIS: For instance we may suggest something as simple as actually getting a small candle, even a tea light candle and lighting in it and observing it, getting a very clear image of the wick and the flame, the wax melting, how the flame may flicker or hold steady, its brightness, its intensity and so on and so forth, then closing your eyes and fixing that image for as long as possible in your mind’s eye, holding that flame in the mind. You may also utilize such a small practice to enhance your meditation abilities. The point is to hold the picture in your mind as long as possible, and even at different times to bring it back, to fix your mind upon it again, even to the point where it begins to feel hot watching the flames so close up, becoming adept at holding that image and very little else.

JOHN: Can I ask a, maybe a kind of stupid question here, Kris? Do we not run… that if we do that, do we not run the danger of just having millions of candles appear in our lives?

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Not necessarily. But you do run the risk of becoming quite adept at holding images very clearly in your mind’s eye. What that can do for you is to prepare a foundation so that when you allow your consciousness to travel with us and interpret those deeper inner experiences that may even be in the realms of other aspects of your Being, you may then have the ability to use the canvas of your mind to translate those experiences in terms that you can define, that you can make sense of, because if you cannot make sense of it, you will simply not get it, period.

JOHN: So am I getting that you’re saying… that hinting that you might be taking us on some adventures in practice?

KRIS: Not today, but hopefully we will begin with CMI.

JOHN: A-ha, okay.

KRIS: All of this lays the foundation to get in touch with those more mature aspects of your own Self.

MARK: If I could just jump in here, I think also what’s being said is that in order to move forward in deepening our awareness of Self, we’re gonna be going to places that is… are very foreign to the ego.

KRIS: Perhaps not so foreign, but more so finally, allowing your conscious self to interact with subjective areas of consciousness that have been there all along but that have simply been pushed away perhaps out of fear or unknowing.

MARK: Okay, that makes sense to me.

KRIS: Your personality structure is such that it can accommodate a great number of experiences that you or some others may consider unofficial. And it is a very fine thing indeed to talk about the unofficial line of consciousness and those greater aspects of your being, but do you not think it is time now, that even though you can talk about it, intellectualize it, philosophize it, now you can also actually meet the damn things!

JOHN: Yes!

MARK: Y-e-y!

JOHN: Good idea!
KRIS: What are these strange aspects of your Being? How would you interpret their energies? What communications could they possibly have for you? What experiences can they share with you and unfold with you? How might you be able to actually tap into them and how do they fit in to the greater scheme of things?

You are accustomed to thinking of yourself as one thing only, even though you say you are all things, even the you say you are one, you have no idea of what that one is. Well now is the time. And each person’s experience will be individualized and translated through the references that you hold within your awareness, within your conscious mind and subconscious mind. The beautiful aspect of all of this is that these communications may come in a variety of shapes and forms and colors and so on, but they too can be translated into direct wells of wisdom. You can consider then, psychological facsimiles of truth and wisdom. You know what a facsimile is of course?

MARK: Indeed, a copy, similar, duplicate.

KRIS: It represents the original but is not the original. And similarly, many, many experiences to be had concerning these greater aspects of your Being, as you will experience them, are facsimiles. They are representative, not necessarily the real thing, but as close as you can get within your sphere of influence, and they will reveal thus, so much more about your own potential. Does that make sense?

JOHN and MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And indeed what is the time?

MARK: 8:45.

KRIS: Then perhaps there might be a question or two from Skype-landers?

ALAN: Well I might be able to come up with a couple here that are on the topic.

(Pause)

ALAN: If you guys are able to hear me, I had dropped out there for a minute.

MARK: You’re good.

KRIS: Indeed, simply do not fax it over.

(Laughter)

ALAN: Kris, on this idea of kind of the primacy of images, I’m assuming that what we think we see in the outside world is our interpretation of our inner imagery, and some of the questions I’m getting have to do with what the correlation is between let’s say, shared reality and/or the official line of consciousness, and either what we see in the inside world or what we see in the outside world and…and then also what would the correlation be, between our imaginings and actual instructions given to our subconscious to create those things.

KRIS: How long do you want to stay on the air?

(Laughter)

ALAN: I’m here as long as you are.

KRIS: We can all imagine that we could be here for hours, but that would not necessarily be the case. Be it as it is, your subconscious mind is a multilayered creation that you utilize for very practical and specific purposes. At the uppermost layers, this construction of yours takes care of so many functions that the conscious mind could not possibly all take into account. Pumping the blood through miles and miles and miles of veins and arteries, making certain that the lungs are functioning properly to absorb oxygen and to expel that which is not desirable, the digestion, the elimination, the seeing, the hearing, the smelling, the talking, the tasting, the touching, all of these things are beyond the conscious mind’s capacity to actually maintain. Simply because it is an active participant in all of this does not make the conscious mind the boss of these things. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: When you make allowances and suggest to those deeper layers of your subconscious mind to assist you in exploring the deeper layers of your own aspects, to uncover these treasures of consciousness and that exist in rooms of the great mansion of the Self, rooms that may have been forgotten with the passage of time, and you enter these rooms and you flick the light on, there may be furnishings and items in those rooms that require some time for the eye to adjust and interpret properly.

So the conscious mind, with its tie-in to the imagination, assists in creating a reference point for you to begin identifying the contents of those aspects and the experiences therein. You need a point of departure nonetheless. Would it be fair to say that it is not fair to prime the pump in order to bring water up from the well? Indeed not! In fact it makes it function all that much better. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: So at the beginning, there may be suggestions of a specific nature that can take you into different territory that aligns with those deeper inner or more mature aspects of your own Being. Once there however, you are entirely free to open yourself up to impressions which may come more in the form of images than anything else, images that will be laden with waves of emotions, some perhaps subtle, some perhaps less subtle or other feelings per se, that all need to be translated.

If for instance you have a vision say, of the ancient god Zeus, does that mean that you were in contact with the Greek god Zeus? Indeed not. But you may have been in touch with an ancient aspect of your Self that you related to ancient mythological divinities, and it will be well worth your while to translate and decipher the communications within. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: That is what we are aiming at, and we trust that suffices as an answer.

ALAN: Well actually we do have some requests that Kris radio go to 2 hours.

(Laughter)

KRIS: There may come a time when this may prove practical. And then again, the more you imagine it, the easier it becomes. Now what is the time?

MARK: Its 7 – 8 minutes to.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries? From our co-hosts?

MARK: Not for me.

JOHN: Oh yeah, this is a fascinating area that you’re… I often get the feeling Kris that, that you’re only really saying about half of what’s on your mind.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. You see this evening we have sleeves

JOHN: You do that!

KRIS: And we only pull out half of their contents.

JOHN: I know! And of course it prompts me to try to imagine what the other half might be. Actually I was ask… I asked a question earlier, almost as a joke, but let me just rephrase it a little bit more seriously. In our practice, our practice elements of, I was joking about… that if we imagine a candle, imagine seeing a candle, then suddenly we’re gonna get candles all through our physical reality. Now, that’s obviously a little bit silly but…

KRIS: May we interject?

JOHN: Please.

KRIS: Many of you have heard fascinating stories about Tibetan monks for instance, going in a field in the middle of winter or in the middle of a snowstorm in the high mountains of the Himalayas, and these monks actually stay warm. How do you think they do that? Is it magic?

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: Magic of the mind, indeed. The same way you can develop this magic, they can visualize intensely, fire, a flame to the degree where they feel warm and snow are around them melts from their body heat.

JOHN: Yeah, I’ve heard those stories, amazing!

KRIS: Indeed. Now it does not mean that they will spontaneously combust and neither will you, but the intensity of the inner experience can have influences in the outer world.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: Can and does.

KRIS: Just as you can have intense erotic dreams while you sleep and there will be some physical influence.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Quite possibly. Well I think that’s a pretty good point to move on from…

(More laughter)

KRIS: Feeling hot under the collar?

MARK: Yes, indeed.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Any more questions Alan?

ALAN: Well I think we’ve certainly got our plate full here with just our… the extent of our own imaginings and imagery creation. I still think a lot of people have questions about where this leads you and interacts with anyone else and how you know that is…

KRIS: Whether this is to know and then share with you.

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: But the invitation is standing to come along for the journey. Our only request is that you strap your seat belts.

JOHN: Well we’ve got just a few minutes here Kris, so I’m just gonna ask… a related topic. Yesterday I was getting ready to go out, as I often do in recreational way to my local Goodwill store and I wanted to get a pair of pants. And I recalled our last show so… not pixel by pixel… more thread by thread… I was getting ready to get on my bike and ride it up to Goodwill, and I imagined those pants.

And I started from the waistband down and just layered thread, thread, thread, it was like magic you know, sort of, until eventually I had my 30 inch leg cuffs touching the ground. Now it’s gonna surprise no one to realize that when I got to Goodwill, I found that pair of pants and brought them home. Now, did I do a good… did I do a clever, thoughtful, creative thing there or was I just you know, swimming around in the units of consciousness and I happened to get lucky?

KRIS: As long as you do not lose your pants while you wear them, then we can say that this was very informative for you.

JOHN: Well it was, yeah. No I didn’t lose my pants, I found a pair of pants!

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: Have you been panting ever since?

(laughter)

JOHN: No, but you know, for five bucks I got a pair of 40 dollar pants and I’m a happy camper! Not only that, but they were precisely the exact thing I was looking for.

MARK: And he even noticed the thread count.

ALAN: Yes, yes, that’s the best part.

JOHN: That’s right.

KRIS: Now with that, we leave you all to the wonders of your pants-making abilities and we will be speaking soon.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Okay, Kris, thank you.

MARK: Thank you, Kris. Thank you Alan.

KRIS: Thank you, guys.

MARK: And goodnight everybody and we’ll see you back here next Thursday and International session on Sunday and the CMI session is on Sunday.
JOHN: Okay, well goodnight everybody!

(Session ends)

Re-connecting with Source

October 21, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 21, 2007

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Lorraine (Saggan), David (Elohim), Jill, Joan, and Samantha (Emorie)

(7:47 PM)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable and welcome to old friends, older friends still, and new friends as well. You simply have to find which category you fit in, because “older friends still” might not be related to this present moment or the experiences within it. Be it as it is, we would like to address an issue amongst many, at least one issue this evening on the need to recognize one’s attention and we ourselves as well as many others have spoken on this particular need to be aware, to pay attention, to notice, to recognize what you are focusing upon, what you are paying attention to.

And this is often interpreted as merely the present activities of your conscious mind, your conscious awareness, the type of work you might be involved in at this moment, the telephone call you are on, the television program you are watching, the walk you are taking in the countryside, and so on. And it is indeed a very good place to start to develop a sufficient awareness of your activities, your environment. This alone can lead to a deepening of the state of attention.

As you develop your ability to recognize what your attention is on at that particular point, you can deepen the state itself as it is so very closely related to your normal experiences of meditations and so on that developing a deepening of this state allows you then to recognize the various emotions, thought patterns, and even energetic states that you engage in the particular moment of experience. And that is where the true treasures can indeed be found.

Developing such a state of awareness, recognizing the various inner conversations, inner dialogs, the flow of your thoughts, your impressions and intuitions, as they are not normally found laying about on the surface of your conscious mind, developing then an affinity for these deeper states of awareness indeed opens the mind for you to recognize the differences between yourself and your mind. Though the statement itself might sound perhaps strange to some of you, it is one that is often utilized, especially in societies that have older teachings.

And this for the very simple purpose of acknowledging that there is a definite difference between whom and what you are as opposed to your thoughts about yourselves, your thoughts about your world, the various and sometimes almost numberless different inner conversations that you are holding on so many topics at once and a host of other issues, all pertaining to the mind.

This further enables you to begin tapping into a vast reserve of riches quite beyond the immediate capacity of the mind with its various habits and patterns, and this in turn allows you to directly tap into the rich vein of innate and inner wisdom and knowledge that very often makes its way to the surface levels of your conscious awareness, or conscious mind in bits, pieces and trickles that usually can become extremely distorted due to the nature of the mind itself.

The processes involved in such a set-up are relatively simple: first and foremost requiring becoming acquainted with your own inner dialogs, the things you tell yourself and you say to yourself day in and day out, most often about your own lovely selves, but these generally most often not the kind of things you would want to repeat to other people.

And though we have briefly spoken about this in other times, it is worth bringing back into the discussion for the simple fact that very often individuals, human beings, being what they are, individuals are prone to try and focus only on the lovely pretty things they want to tell themselves, often deliberately ignoring some of the other things they tell themselves, as if ignoring the other things, the less flowery things they tell themselves, will then make that go away.

It is very likely that most of you have seen some of the commercials about global warming, where a couple strolls with their baby in the midst of a hurricane, with the caption reading: “Ignoring global warming will not make it go away.” And though we are not speaking about global warming here, we are speaking about deep inner processes, processes that usually interfere with your connection or connectivity with the deeper layers of self-awareness, a realm of self-awareness quite different from the kinds of self-awareness often advocated in society such as becoming aware of your dress code, your politeness, your political correctness and so on and so forth.

The kind of self-awareness we are addressing has to do with that deep connectivity with Source, that deep connection that always is engaged by yourselves for it is not possible, then, to be disconnected from Source, but it is possible to supplant or superimpose or even ignore that connection with Source, and substitute it for something else, such as becoming connected and aware of everything that occurs with Paris Hilton. And though that might be of interest to a certain degree, it is a poor substitute with connection to Source.

And we do understand that at times Source may not be as dramatic or tantalizing as some of the activities engaged in by Ms. Hilton, it is always of benefit to recognize the differences between the two. Now, all kidding aside, developing an awareness of the deeper layers and meanings involved in connection with Source enables you — any of you — to awaken to the inner states of balance and harmony that are innate to your nature.

In fact your own nature itself drives you towards those states of balance and harmony and this, the establishment of the connection over and above the recognition of mind itself, with its constant chatter, brings you into closer contact with that energy or Source that is your Self, that literally straddles any notions of time and space that you may entertain, that exists beyond the objects of the senses, the world of the senses and material nature and that is the true wellspring of your being.

As we discuss further this evening, we would also like to bring about a very nice meditation that can enable you to travel through some of the atmosphere that is often found both of an emotional or energetic nature that can at times obscure or hide the very Source of your being. All of the teachings in all of the religions and many of the spiritual traditions handed down from time immemorial have that in common, creating bridges to assist the followers as it were to come to a point where they are recognizing this connection and can take advantage of the benefits.

But as occurs with the passage of time, many such teachings and traditions and philosophies tend to become distorted, tend to be translated over and over again, and have different interpretations and meanings attached to them to such a point where often the original spark, the original flame or fire of wisdom has been reduced to an ember and sometimes even no amount of fanning the embers can bring back the flame and all that is left is the smoke that is released.

Thus, over the passage of time, other teachers, other speakers come to bring you to an awareness of those deep teachings that are already part of your consciousness, that are already woven into and, if you wish, even hard-wired into your consciousness. And the attempt is to assist in turning on the beacon, as it were, the beam of light from the lighthouse so that you may see, once again, your path to connecting with the deep ocean of knowledge and wisdom that is part of your heritage, both in terms of physical beings and spiritual beings.

Thus, as you learn to delve deeper into your own nature and observe the flow of your energies, of your consciousness, you can begin to create then, a state of awareness that leads to inner discoveries, that leads to inner realizations, enlightenment even, in such a way that you can recognize that the experiences you live, that the world that you live in, and that the self that you are, are themselves altogether part of a process that is older than time itself, that has been in existence since the advent of any notions or concepts of time, that time — time and space — are a by-product of those innate or inner experiences.

But that you yourselves are different, that you yourselves exist beyond any notions of time and space that you may entertain and that in fact you yourself simply ARE well beyond what can be understood as the official line of consciousness, meaning your physical bodily selves. And as you delve deeper into that understanding you move away from strictly the knowledge that pertains to the official line of consciousness and begin to explore the unofficial line of consciousness where you recognize that you are immortal, eternal beings and that, by what you concentrate or focus upon, you create the official line of consciousness and the entire spectrum of reality and experiences that pertain to the particular frame of experience.

But that you yourselves are still something different, that you are an energy that produces time and space and the official line of consciousness as various means to express your energies. But the expression of those energies is something different yet than the Source of these expressions and the Source is what you are… (Pause)… Perhaps you might have some lovely questions on that subject matter.

LORRAINE: Can you give some concrete examples of the difference?

KRIS: Of the difference between you and your Self?

LORRAINE: Yeah.

KRIS: Can you point to your nose?

LORRAINE: Yes.

(Group chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed and your eyes and ears?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Are you a nose?

LORRAINE: No.

KRIS: Are you an eye?

LORRAINE: No, nor an ear, no.

KRIS: Indeed, you are neither an arm nor a leg nor a body. If you pay attention to language, you will find that individuals are more prone to say “my eye” and not “I, eye; I, ear.”

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: And they also say, “my body” or “our bodies,” and most people, though they might not necessarily hold deep philosophical discourse on the understandings behind those words and that kind of syntax, there is still a subconscious understanding and recognition that they are not their physical body. So if they are not the physical body, what are they?

LORRAINE: Spiritual body?

KRIS: They are something different from their physical form. The vast majority of individuals are less prone again, to hold deep discourse on those topics, though it can be brought to almost anyone’s attention, as we are doing with you now. Therefore, if you are not the physical body, you are something else, and what does that something else do apart from maintain the physical body? It gives it energy to function. The thoughts that come into your mind obviously are not tied directly to the physical body because it can also be shown that there is a difference between a body that does not think and a body that does. The body that does not think is either six feet under or cremated, or in the morgue. Does that make sense to you?

LORRAINE: Very much!

KRIS: The body that no longer has an “I” in it is usually considered dead and the personality, though often assumed to be part of the body, is not. That personality, the individual, the “I”, the self, is that mysterious something that exists completely removed from the body. Though science, in its own kind of wisdom — we will not say what kind of — but in its own kind of wisdom, does try to make a concerted effort to find this “self” that causes a dead body to be different from a living body, as it were.

Unfortunately they are utilizing methods that only function with the physical and they cannot find this energy by dissecting the physical body. They may not be able to find it under the microscope either. However, quantum physics has been able to address the issue in very interesting ways. They are able to demonstrate that there is an energy that exists that causes the body to be alive.

Though no conclusions thereof have been pronounced, especially along the lines of this discussion, at least there is now a certain precedent established that moves science away from its entirely materialistic orientation into realms often considered esoteric or metaphysical or energetic. And that is, again, a very good place to start. At least now better questions are being asked, better observations are being had and as a result, a different kind of education is being pronounced. Does that make sense to you?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: Are you not glad that you are not the other variety of body?

LORRAINE: (Laughing) Certainly!

KRIS: Are there any other questions?

MYRNA: An observation?

KRIS: Indeed!

MYRNA: I’ve been sitting here close to three years and absorbing the truth that you just spoke of, that I am an energy, that I am a whatever that is not this physical body. I…. the word that just came to mind is, I strain…when I’m out in nature, I strain to contact me, the larger me. There are moments that are precious that I have, but on the whole there’s something my mind is doing, that I’m doing as a physical form that is blocking my ability to contact my Higher Self, in spite of all the meditations we’ve done, all the exercises, when I’m here and I’m with you I can do them and I can often contact me…. I’m not that successful on my own….. (Pause)…. Damn it!

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: We will keep that in the records!

(Group chuckling)

MYRNA: I find it painful, actually.

KRIS: How do you envision this connection to happen?

MYRNA: I… uh…

KRIS: Now, do understand we are not speaking of an ethereal and nebulous concept, but please continue.

MYRNA: I have had limited experiences with crows, hawks, signs and signals… not limited, I’ve had lots of experiences with signs and signals and for me they’re precious, they represent a moment to open myself up and to experience myself in a much different way than I did, so I envision that connection…. well… sitting beside Jill and experiencing the connection right now for example, is larger, I mean I… I don’t know…. I don’t know….. What do I expect?… I expect revelations.

KRIS: Do you perhaps expect the heavens will roll and thunder and lightening will appear before you?

MYRNA: Yes and no. I mean… yes. And no.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you like the self that you are?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Do you love the self that you are?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed then, that self may speak to you or address you, unlike your expectations, perhaps in a whisper. It may come as a gentle breeze that gently caresses a leaf on a tree, and if the expectations are for something more magnanimous, you might miss it.

MYRNA: I get that, actually. I get it.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps simply inviting all kinds of communications in signs and signals — all kinds — perhaps it will be the twinkle in someone’s eye. Perhaps it will be simply a small experience that gives you a kind of inner joy that normally would not make its way to you.

MYRNA: Okay, I know what the question is. It’s not that…

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I know all that. I get that… It’s then, knowing that, why… what to do about the fact that I allow myself to lose that connection so often by focusing my attention on a pain or on my nerves or on a worry, or…. when I find those things so precious?

KRIS: That is a better question.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: And your question may even be one that thousands and millions of people ask, and it may be such a common occurrence that some may never think about it twice, but you at least have the presence of mind to inquire and that in itself speaks volumes. What is it that you want?

MYRNA: Good question.

KRIS: One may ask oneself or even tell oneself “I do not want to lose that communication. I do not want to feel disconnected. I do not want to feel that separation.”

MYRNA: Yes, ah ha…. okay, this is moving for me because at the Happiness Project workshop you spent at least an hour on the birth process. You often don’t do that.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: An hour at least, talking about that moment of birth when the cord is cut and we’re taken away, the imprinting, I finally got — because I’ve known it intellectually — I finally got that mine and everybody else’s coping strategies are about that…

KRIS: (Quietly) Indeed.

MYRNA: About how to cope with the separation. Okay, I get that, actually, and that to me has been huge. Knowing that however, is new, so I guess I’m wanting to speed that process up in terms of…. never mind. I just talked myself into the answer.

KRIS: And part of that answer is deciding what it is that you want as opposed to what you do not want.

MYRNA: I don’t want the feeling of separation.

KRIS: You want a feeling of connection.

MYRNA: I want the connection, yes.

KRIS: And the reason why we spent the amount of time we did in addressing that very initial welcoming experience into the physical world is specifically to bring it to people’s awareness that this precious moment is one that is rarely experienced, especially in your western world, and there are people who spend their entire lives trying to correct that missing bond, that sense of fulfillment. So once you can recognize it, you can take steps to make necessary corrections and to heal that rift, to close that wound in the psyche. And there are varieties of methods that can be utilized for this, up to and including beginning to appreciate and accept and love oneself.

So make concerted efforts, as lovely as you want to make them, to stay connected and to focus upon that sense of connection, even if it happens initially for five minutes during the day. That is a place to start. It primes the pump, as it were. And after several days you will notice that you have begun to experience it more than once a day, and to encourage that kind of connection to become a pattern, to become a habit as opposed to other habits and to begin inviting this more and more into your life, because that is what you want. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: It does. All that chatter… you’ve talked for a long time about beliefs, all these beliefs are a result of that moment, that separation, and how do I cope?

KRIS: (Softly) Indeed.

MYRNA: Whoa. That’s huge!

KRIS: Indeed! It went by slightly noticed, but it is an important experience into a new life in the physical world. That physical form, that infant, in deep need of connecting with its mother at that moment is pivotal to so much more. And we are not saying this to lay blame or to make any accusations. The experts in your world are doing the best they can based upon their own lack of fulfillment. Freud assumed it had to do with the id’s need to eliminate the father and connect with the mother. (Ironically) That in its own way was — how do you say it? — So close.

The only difference is that it has nothing to do with the infant’s need to sexually connect with its mother, but to emotionally and psychologically bond with the one who more or less gave him or her its body. So we are glad that you have given yourself the answer you sought.

MYRNA: Yes, it’s about whenever my attention goes somewhere else, I CAN say to myself “that’s a separation strategy.” It’s based out of the feeling of separation and isolation. It’s not connection.

KRIS: And we have also many times spoken about awareness and enlightenment. We have never necessarily tied it to many of the eastern teachings about awareness and enlightenment, but we are directly relating it to that deep connection that exists in the bosom of every man, woman and child and its need to connect with Source and in physical terms, the mother is the source. The mother IS the physical representation of Source. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Ohh… that… that understanding as you talked about imprinting just took thirty years of work and made it simple.

KRIS: The invoice is in the mail.

(Group cracks up)

Thirty years’ worth of therapy! Are there any other questions, or would you enjoy a small pause for this time?

MARK: I guess a small break.

KRIS: Indeed then!

MARK: 8:33.

[A short break and Kris returns at 8:42.]

KRIS: Now then, we trust that you had a very nice pause?

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: Would you have any other questions or inquiries? Please feel free.

LORRAINE: Just following what Myrna said, I was thinking of my son who had a… well, we had a beautiful birth together and the standard cutting of the cord and put into the nursery. Well, within the first three days I developed pneumonia and I did not see him for a week, at all. Would that then further exacerbate the whole idea of abandonment for each of us? My desire to see him and whatever his natural desire would have been…. but that whole idea….

KRIS: It is very likely that each individual will cope as best they can with whatever situation is at hand. It is difficult to project long term effects from such situations. It is also important to remember that whatever occurred is not a cause for blame in any way, shape or form, but rather the recognition of an opportunity to bring nurturing where there may not have been in the first place, to bring love and compassion and nurturing, healing where this issue may have been in want of.

And too often people do focus upon those unfortunate situations to the exclusion of realizing that these statements are not made to bring about guilt and shame but instead to bring about an opportunity for love and healing and that is what this is all about: when there is recognition that you actually have the tools. They are innate tools, but first and foremost, the atmospheres that are created as a result of perceptions need to be cleared away, much like too many clouds obscure the airplane’s pilot from accurately seeing the runway. Do you understand?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: So that is the point of any of these presentations, is to clear away the fog and clouds so you can see the landing strip, so that you can literally “come home.” The coming home is to yourself. The general tendency, even from a new-born infant’s point of view, is to associate that they are the unwanted resulting from the situation.

You are not taught in your culture, in your educational systems, to make a difference between the actions and the habits and the individual; and that the actions and the habits of an individual might be less desirable, but that the individual himself or herself is a desirable member, a worthwhile and worthy member of the society. If that were the case, if you were all educated in this fashion, with a compassionate observation from the moment you develop sufficient awareness, then your penal system would be almost dry. There would be almost no need for it.

This all ties in with the various beliefs that you acquire throughout your lifetime and that some individuals acquire during their lifetimes concerning issues of self-worth, including abandonment and the innate need to feel validated, to BE validated, to be fulfilled in validation. When these are not understood then you need to set up penal systems. It is part of the structure of your present world view of the official line of consciousness as you understand it.

There will come a time when you will understand these issues at a much deeper level and take action upon them instead of conjuring numberless reasons why you have to remain with the status quo and that you have to follow what is done because it is the way it has always been done. If you did find the means to operate from a place and from a center of happiness, from a center of fulfillment, then your life experiences would reflect what you live inside. Your everyday experiences of life would then be reflections of your perceptions, but if your perception is one where you feel that you are less than desirable, then your world begins to reflect that state of mind, or that perception. Do you follow?

(Yes)

If you did create within yourselves a perception that you already are valuable, valid, worthwhile, worthy, loving and lovable individuals, what kind of world do you think you would then have?

LORRAINE: Exactly that.

KRIS: Indeed. Some would think that you are trying or aiming for a pipe dream, but its reality is closer than you think and there are people who do live this on a daily basis and they have no need for a therapist.

LORRAINE: And we often envy them.

JILL: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed!

JILL: There’s been more than one occasion where a presence or an Essence has been trying to get my attention and I’ve not been able to see what it is or to recognize it, but I know that it’s been there. I’m wondering if you can offer any insight on what that is and why I haven’t been able to see it.

KRIS: Why would it be “a” presence or “an” Essence and not your own presence, your own Essence, your own Source? Would it not make more sense, then, that your own Source of inner guidance, of light and knowledge and wisdom and love seek to communicate with you?

JILL: Because it felt like it was outside, looking at me trying to grab me.

KRIS: Indeed, that is the perception, but that is only a translation as a means to get your attention and it is not so much something external…. do keep in mind that you create your experiences, all of them, from going to the supermarket, squeezing the tomatoes, to squeezing the Charmin’, to cooking dinner, to having very deep and powerful spiritual connections. ALL of these are your creations, they are your tableau and it cannot be any other way, so there is likely another aspect of your Self that is also trying to reach you, not something external to you, even though it would utilize this kind of method simply to draw your attention.

Thus when you sense this presence again, you might desire to inquire: what is the reason? What is it that you are creating for yourself in this way? The answers may come immediately, the answers may come when you are least expecting them, especially if your mind is engaged in perhaps something as monotonous as doing the dishes. And that may include putting them in a dishwasher. Any activity that is usually considered automatic or autonomous, whether vacuuming, doing dishes, doodling, are opportunities for you to develop an awareness. Does that make sense to you?

JILL: Mmhm.

KRIS: So be aware. Be inviting as well.

JILL: (Unheard comment)

KRIS: Indeed. Inviting or allowing. They are the same. The difficulties arise when there is opposing from yourself. When you notice opposing inner processes, then ask yourself, “What is my mind up to that it wants to distract me?” The mind, though NEVER your enemy, does look out for its own best interest. It likes to keep things the way they are. That is the nature of the mind. Even when a thing is recognized by you as less than desirable, it is still a pattern and any pattern is associated with mind. It is “my self.” That is the way the mind works. Does that make sense to you?

JILL: Yeah.

KRIS: Knowing this makes it simpler then to gently ask the mind if it can, instead of creating opposition, create invitation, assistance, allowing, and work with you in this way. When you fight the mind, you are usually fighting a losing battle, because it knows you intimately. Does that make sense?

JILL: Yes.

KRIS: But if you seek its cooperation, it will.

JILL: That makes sense. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. And pay attention to your dreams. When there is sufficient development at the level of dreams, then you open doorways to deeper communications from Source. And when we say “Source” we want to be very explicit. It is not a THING, per se, but it is an ongoing, evolving process, just as you are. And the Source…. the best way we can define it is to take into consideration everything in your life, ABSOLUTELY everything. Everything that you observe, contemplate, and so on and so forth. And THEN consider that this is part of yourself but you are still more than the sum of all of your parts.

That may never truly define Source, but at least it gives you a place to start. Have you ever walked here, there and anywhere, and during your walk you noticed a shiny penny on the ground and picked it up? If you were to do this several times a day, every day for decades, you would have quite an accumulation of pennies, which may amount to thousands of dollars if you simply stuck with their face value. But if you sold it for copper you would be much richer indeed, but you would not have all of this if you did not pick the penny. Does that make sense to you?

You could say Source or Essence often throws pennies here, there and anywhere. It is for you to train your eye to notice the shiny penny, or sometimes the not-so-shiny penny, and pick it up, put it in your penny jar. After awhile the penny jar becomes quite full, full of awareness, pennies of course being allegorical. Do you follow?

JILL: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. So you can consider yourself a penny-picker. And that is quite fine!

JILL: (Laughing)

KRIS: Does that answer your inquiry?

JILL: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed! Any other inquiries from those who are silent so far… as they sit there smiling. (To Samantha) Do you have a question?

SAMANTHA: Actually my questions were pretty well answered already. Is it possible you could tell me my Essence name? Would that help me in my quest for finding self and letting her be who she wants to be?

KRIS: You are Essence as well. At the same time you are a particular dove-tailed expression of Essence. We have utilized this expression many times, it is an ancient Bengali expression, and it says Achyntia Beda Beda Tatva which means that you are simultaneously one and different from the Divine. So you then exist as a definition of both. You are different and you are Source simultaneously. Your difference is that you are a focused point of concentration of that Source. You express many of the movements of that energy in your desires, in your creations, in your abilities to be. We would call that Source “Emorie.” You could spell it E-M-O-R-I-E. (Ee-more-eye).

It does not specifically have a translation per se. It is an intonation of an energy, but you can make good use of it in your meditations or simply in musings in your mind. Repeat the word as if it were a mantra, as if it is a key that unlocks doorways to knowledge and connection. Be open to impressions, imagery, intuitions and so on. Does that make sense to you?

SAMANTHA: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Indeed. (To Joan) Do you have a question, oh silent one?

JOAN: Yes and no. I often question the purpose of life and I think that we are born to have joy and in each lifetime to become more pure to learn and to become more like Source and I wonder if that’s right or if that’s just my way of looking at life?

KRIS: Now what would you say if we said it was simply YOUR way of looking at life and it may be so far off the mark that you might as well be on Mars?

JOAN: (Chuckling) Well, if it is, it is!

KRIS: Indeed. And you are lucky it is not!

(Group laughter)

Now, perhaps simply for the sake of semantics, you said you are here to bring joy, but what about YOU being joyous? That is part of your birthright, your heritage as it were, from an ancient Source of consciousness we have called the Orodin. A species of All That Is that particularly enjoys creating what you call the human dimension: physical reality and human beings, as it were. These are YOUR Sources. You are timeless, you are eternal and immortal and part of your energy configuration, if you like, is an innate desire for happiness. And one cannot truly spread happiness around if there is no happiness inside first. Does that make sense?

JOAN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Just like the good farmer cannot spread manure if he does not have a farm.

JOAN: (Laughing) That’s right!

KRIS: And joy is something that is often frowned upon in your society, is it not? You have to be careful not to be too happy because right around the corner is an issue of unhappiness that will make you feel balanced, that will make you appreciate the joy because you will feel unjoyous for some time. And of course, following perception, it is the experience of reality. But it need not be!

There is no valid intellectual or reason whatsoever for you to have some unhappiness for you to appreciate happiness. If you can find one individual in the entire universe that does not appreciate his or her happiness and must seek out unhappiness to balance it out, then we will stand corrected, but there is no such individual. There is the belief, the perception, and that says all and you do not have to subscribe to it, no more than you need to subscribe to “Sports Illustrated” if you do not want to! Does that make sense?

JOAN: It absolutely makes sense and I feel at this point in my life depleted of joy.

KRIS: And how would you then answer someone who comes to you and says, “Joan, I am feeling drained. There is a lack of joy in my life.” What would you offer?

JOAN: It’s difficult to offer what you do not have. It’s impossible to offer what you do not have.

KRIS: Indeed. How do you propose to offer yourself joy again?

JOAN: That is my search… not to listen to the news on television!

KRIS: At least not to CNN.

(Group laughter)

JOAN: That’s right. I find when I see all the atrocities happening in the world and I am so thankful for so many things I have and I feel guilty for what I have when I look and see what’s happening in the Congo and other places in the world.

KRIS: That is correct, that if you allow yourself to be joyous in front of all these situations should you not feel guilty and ashamed to have all this joy, when others seem to have none? Your original question, the way you worded it, presupposes that there is an iota of jadedness in the core. Do you follow?

JOAN: I do.

KRIS: And do you believe that because there are others apparently suffering in the world that is reason for you to not have joy?

JOAN: Yes and no, I –

KRIS: We should warn you: we have tricks up our sleeves, even though we have no sleeves, per se!

(Chuckling)

JOAN: I thought by this point in my life I was going to have made much more of a difference in saving the world in my terms.

KRIS: And that may very well be where the hook is: that the world by itself needs no saving. What you think of the world may very well be what you also think about yourself. We would go further and say that indeed that is the case. You project your thoughts, your perceptions, onto the world.

MARK: (Jokingly) It’s all her fault!

(Group cracks up)

JOHN: We finally found her!

KRIS: Be lucky there is no tax! Now, all kidding aside and all seriousness aside as well, is there anything truly preventing you from being happy?

JOAN: No.

KRIS: And you are absolutely certain of this?

JOAN: I believe we all have the ability to be happy. We just need to focus on the things that bring us joy.

KRIS: And how would you go about focusing on those things that bring you happiness?

JOAN: I think spending more time each day focusing on what I’m grateful for…. (Chuckling)… and not watch the news before I go to bed at night!

KRIS: Indeed. That is a good beginning. And perhaps upon awakening, you can set the tone for the day. Even for a few moments, as we have described in many exercises or practices, focus on being connected with a joyous event, a joyous situation. You may focus on such simple things as remembering when the gentle rain hit the window pane on a lazy Sunday morning, or when you saw the rainbow or a butterfly or a hummingbird in your backyard or perhaps the smile from a child or a loved one.

ANY situation even so apparently small and innocuous and utilize those to build upon and intend that your day’s tone is set by what you concentrate at that moment. And even suggest to yourself that any time you notice that you have steered from your intent, then go back to the intent. (To Myrna) This, by the way, can function in the same manner for your own quest. Do you follow?

JOAN: The days that I do that are much better days.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what if you became so happy that others started being joyous, happy, around you?

JOAN: I have been like that and I need to be like that again.

KRIS: Indeed, and what would happen if you notice that you are so overflowing with joy even for a moment that you are willing to open your heart and give it to the world? Even in your mind, would you be willing to be so vulnerable as to give your joy to the world, knowing full well that the world is you? Are you daring? We could triple dog dare you!

(Laughter)

And you know that is a dare that cannot go un-passed, unchallenged! That is the law of dares!

JOAN: (Laughing) I didn’t know there was a law of dares!

KRIS: Indeed!

JOAN: (Laughing) It’s past double dare… I double dared it.

KRIS: Indeed, this is triple dog dare. The ultimate dare.

JOAN: How does one learn how to be that vulnerable?

KRIS: By enjoying to be yourself without any resistances, any guilt. And if there is a smidgeon of guilt that raises its head, you need not stomp it into the ground but instead invite it to be part of the process. That somewhere within you there is a deep source of uninhibited joy. This is not only to speak to you, but to each and every one of you. And who amongst you would be so daring to open the valve full on that deep reservoir of uninhibited joy and happiness?

But no, you have set up your defenses. You have set up your limits, that if there is too much joy then the other shoe drops. If there is too much happiness, then some kind of event to prove there is another side MUST come and kick you in the behind and you believe these things so much that you make them happen. These are all self-fulfilling ideas. So what would happen in your lives if you dispensed with these old ideas and instead, from one day to the next, you were happy, if your energies flowed freely? You could express yourselves without any need to counter your happiness with unhappiness.

JOAN: The world would be a more joyful place!

KRIS: Indeed, and at the same time each of you had a small, almost inconspicuous shudder of fear that something would happen. And that is for you to deal with. These beliefs, acquired wherever you acquired them from, are not truths. They are acquired truths. They are things you picked up. They are the wooden pennies that were picked up, thinking they would be equivalent to the shiny copper penny. But they are not. So you can throw your wooden pennies into the pyre and roast a few marshmallows while you are at it. Does that make sense to you?

JOAN: It absolutely does.

KRIS: So challenge yourself. And it is in being vulnerable that you are the strongest and most powerful of all and if you want to test yourselves even further — again, something we have spoken about briefly — dare yourselves to fall in love. It does not have to be with anyone or anything, but simply to be in that mood, and look at the world through the perceptions of being in love. You remember when you all fell in love at one time or another, how the world looked? Did you think it was fantasy or reality? It was far more real than any fantasies to the opposite. You could say the opposites are the fantasies. The reality IS that mood of love. Does that answer your inquiry and then some?

JOAN: Yes, thank you.

[Someone sneezes]

MARK: Bless you.

KRIS: Indeed. We have no answers for sneezes!

(Chuckling)

Any other inquiries or questions?… Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:18.

KRIS: Indeed it is still early. Any other topics, subjects?

JOAN: Well, let’s go back to this subject. I can get so excited and just top of the world about a little thing that doesn’t matter if it comes to fruition, it can be an idea, it can be the prospect of a trip, it can be meeting someone… I can just get over the moon and whether it really happens or not, I don’t care because I love the feeling of being excited, so maybe I’m a little over the top that way, but then to continue… I love to be excited and stimulated all the time, you know, just feeling that joy, just oozing out of me and so is it simply a matter of consciously thinking of that feeling, to keep at that level of vibration?

KRIS: You can cultivate it, indeed, just as you would cultivate a plot of land to grow lovely flowers. You need to water them, you need to enrich the soil and give all of the appropriate situations that give the seeds the opportunity to grow in the best possible conditions and that is one way you can do that with yourself. Cultivate that mindset. As we suggested to Shara-Leene, you can for five minutes a day, and then notice that it becomes easier and can last longer, perhaps ten minutes, and after awhile half an hour, and after awhile you notice that it is easier for you to get into that mood. And they are literally moods and they filter reality. They become the perceptions.

JOAN: Now they are, but when I watch a television program and I see what’s happening or I read in the newspaper, it’s as though I take on the pain of those people, I can shiver, I can feel it. How can I be aware of the atrocities going on in the world and not have that physically bother me?

KRIS: We understand the inquiry. Now, we would never advocate that you put your head in the sand like an ostrich or wear rose-colored glasses, thinking that it’s all pretty nonetheless. And indeed, your species is prone to some incredible inhumanities.

JOAN: Yes.

KRIS: They too are learning. They too wish to find balance. They may have acquired beliefs and entire belief systems that are the results that you then see on the telly. There may also be some parts of you that are in need of attention, that you need to pay attention to parts of you that are reflected through the media. Do you follow?

JOAN: I do. I mean, when I see all these injustices towards women in these countries, like…maybe that’s because I feel an injustice –

KRIS: We understand that you feel that empathy.

JOAN: Absolutely.

KRIS: And you can then remain grounded and rooted in your center for joy and happiness well-being, and from that place allow yourself to open the heart and direct your energies to those situations.

JOAN: So how do I continue to feel grounded when I read and see these situations? I feel destroyed.

KRIS: Stop reading. Again, it does not mean that you have to pretend that none of this is going about, but you go about your business knowing that there is a part of you that is on auto-pilot to send loving energies without ever draining yourself but that your loving, supportive energies are directed to those individuals in those situations so that they can use the energies unconditionally.

Not to fit your expectations of how these things should be. They need to work their issues out. These are, if you wish, souls as well that are working out their issues just as you are making concerted attempts to work out your issues. And from that place of well-being within you, you send compassionate, loving, supportive energy. Healing energy. And then go about your business, your business of being well.

JOAN: Is it just our western society or our religion that is the reason why we feel guilty about having the good life that we do when we see –

KRIS: That is a part of, but not the only factor. There are also your personal beliefs along those lines and THEY are the ones you need to recognize. As we have offered in the past, the Triple ‘A’ method: to acknowledge, address and accept. There are many modalities available that can assist you in balancing out your own energies.

MYRNA: What I think is really helpful, Joan, is — I so get this — it was my belief that if I worried, I’d be helping. That if I got scared too, I’d be helping.

JOAN: I don’t think that, but I think I should be out writing letters, I should be protesting, I should be… you know, the “should, should, shoulds.”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOAN: That if I’m not doing that, I’m attending to daily life and part of me says I’ve done so much for women through direct sales that it just to me seems so insignificant in terms of what needs to be done.

KRIS: The point is that what needs to be done is what you are doing. You could not, for instance, force others to do what they are unable to do, nor can you force yourself to do what is beyond you to do, but you do have a power, and that is to stay in your center, your place of well-being. From there you may not think that you are doing enough, but the usual methods of protesting often exacerbate the situation as has been proven time and again. So there is an unofficial method of being effective and that is being centered in your wellness and from there you send energy so that eventually those individuals create for themselves in their own time in their own way the situations that bring them the best and highest fulfillment. That will alleviate many a sleepless night.

JOAN: Yes.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:26.

KRIS: Indeed then, we thank you for your lovely consideration, your patience, and we trust that all of you always remember to be in your place of wellness.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

Kris Radio: Ancient Memories

October 18, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 18, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris Radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I will be your co-host this evening along with…

JOHN: Thank you Mark, as always its kind of a muggy, wet Thursday evening here in Toronto…

MARK: Humid.

JOHN: Humid yes, but at the same time we’re in the cozy, happy place of thatradio’s studios and of course we have our friend Serge.

SERGE: Yes, isn’t it nice! At least it’s a little bit warmer outside.

MARK: And how about Matt and Nicole?

MATT: We are here!

NICOLE: Hello everyone!

MARK: Hel-l-o-o-o!

MATT: You guys might wanna appreciate that warm weather because it’s about to get cold soon.

JOHN: Oh really?

MARK: No it’s not!

(Laughter)

SERGE: No? You create your winter and we’ll create ours. (Laughing)

MATT: Very good. Well if you guys ever get too cold up there, you guys are always welcome to come to Arizona.

NICOLE: Yeah, it’s 86 (degrees Fahrenheit) today.

JOHN: Oh we need… thanks, thanks.

MATT: Is that all?

(Laughter)

MATT: But it’s a dry heat.

MARK: Yeah, yeah it’s a dry heat.

(Pause)

MARK: Well here we are again on another Thursday evening. Oh! Before we get into anything really, we should have Matt talk about Skypeland and how to participate.

MATT: Absolutely! If you are not yet on Skype, we would love to have you as part of the Kris radio Skype chat, and if you’re not familiar with Skype, go to Skype.com and do a search under Matthew.Kolling, and just send me a “friend request” and I’m happy to put you on the chat, then every week you can participate with the rest of the group and ask questions. We got people from all around the world that are sending in messages, and so we’d love to have you, even if you’re not from this world, if you’re from another world…

(chuckling)

MATT: … listening to us, and you have internet connection, we’d love to have you part of our group.

MARK: Great! While I’ve got everybody’s ear, I want to give a shout out to a couple of friends over on Zaadz: Jack and Andrew from the “Enlightened Bastards” group (chuckling) these guys are great, they have their own radio show actually, they’re down in Texas, and they have their own internet radio show, and they’re gonna interview Kris.

JOHN: “Enlightened Bastards.”

MARK: Yup.

JOHN: Ah, it’s cute!

MARK: I also want to thank everybody that participated and helped make “The Happiness Project” a success. That was last weekend’s workshop, and that went over very well. We were very pleased, and it was a very happy event!

JOHN: Yes, it was amazing, actually for me. I haven’t got my write-up done yet, but I’m hoping to produce that in the next few days. But Kris did some wonderful, wonderful work around birth and about how birth is such a dramatic, traumatic…

MARK: Traumatic.

JOHN: …separation experience, but that as Essence we’re prepared for the trauma of the actual birth but when our needs, which we expect to be met, our natural needs as a baby for touch and warmth and food and comfort are not met, that that trauma can actually have a lot, a very long-lasting…

MARK: Effect. The fact that the baby is… first of all the umbilical cord is cut, well the baby can feel that, and then is whisked away from the mother and put into a nursery and… where that’s necessary time for them to imprint together, causes some pretty long term effects.

JOHN: Well actually Myrna and I were chatting about this today and really, it’s no surprise, I mean it’s not just you and me and the people at “The Happiness Project” who’ve had this experience, in the western world, just about everybody’s birth experience is that: a really traumatic, dreadful experience and somehow our culture has got it into its head that the proper thing to do is to take the baby away and spank it and put chemicals in it’s eyes and you know, heaven knows what else they do, bless their hearts, rather than just put it right on its mother’s breast and let nature take its course.

MARK: Yeah.

MATT: You know it just goes to show you that when somebody does something and nobody questions the belief and they keep doing it for years. I understand that the whole “legs in the stirrup” thing dates back to one of the, one of the Kings wanted to see his son being born so…

MARK: That’s right.

MATT: …they stuck the mom up and that was it! And everybody wanted to do what the Kings did, so now we’re still doing it and nobody’s questioning it.

JOHN: That’s quite a story. Which King was that? Henry VIII probably.

MARK: Henry VIII, I believe.

JOHN: He was an original thinker.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Henry VIII, I am, I am, I am.

(Chuckling)

MATT: You know they do, I understand like in Fiji, they do water births where they actually you know, will have a warm water pool and they’ll give birth and let the whole process be a lot more gradual and you know, not as traumatic.

MARK: Somebody down in Australia’s been thinking, probably a woman, but they’ve invented a birthing table or chair but it’s electric, and it can, and move almost in 360 degrees, it can go right around in almost in a complete circle, but they give the controller to the mother…

JOHN: So she’s in control.

MARK: … she’s in control of the positioning of the chair and she can move her body so that either she’s almost in a standing position or she’s in a completely lying down or whatever suits her. I thought that was ingenious.

NICOLE: Absolutely.

JOHN: Well yes, and it’s probably significant to mention that this, the trauma, the double, the double whammy trauma of birth of the physical separation and then the denying the basic needs of the little fella or gal, this is a… this is a Western culture thing. In the Third World where they’re too ignorant and poor to know any better, they just have, the woman gives birth in a very natural way and immediately holds the baby in her arms and in some cultures, the baby literally is never put down until it’s about four years old.

MATT: Wow.

MARK: Wow, Pretty amazing. You remember what we talked about last week?

JOHN: Last week, oh yes, “The Sutra of the Orodin”, I love the title, “The Sutra of the Orodin”.

MARK: And we talked about touch, healing touch and loving touch and all that fun stuff.

JOHN: Yes, I think it was very fun for me to hear what Kris was saying about the sutra of the Orodin and unless I am mistaken, I haven’t actually got my notes up together on that either, I’ve been a little bit under the weather these last few days, but he hinted that he would be telling us lots and lots of stories and parables and tidbits and even, he hinted at some profoundly deep teachings, all of which would be threads in the sutra of the Orodin…

MARK: Right.

JOHN: …and he went on to say that each one of us was in fact…

MARK: A thread,

JOHN: …a thread or a sutra of the Orodin, which I like, I think that’s very neat.

MARK: U-huh. I thought that was pretty cool.

JOHN: So, we’ve got a tentative title for next spring’s workshop in…

MARK: We do, but it’s not written down in my book! (chuckling)

JOHN: Oh! Well it’s “The Infinite Field of Possibilities: An Approach to Manifesting”.

MARK: A field guide to or…

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Yeah, an approach yeah, to manifesting. And that is going to be in Arizona!

JOHN: Oh yeah, is that with Matt and Nicole?

(Mark confirms)

JOHN: Wow! So we’re gonna be down to see you guys in the spring eh, Matt and Nicole?

NICOLE: Absolutely! It is gonna to be wonderful. I think it’s going to be around the first part of March or the second weekend.

JOHN: And what’s your weather…

MATT: Oh yeah. …what’s the weather like in March?

JOHN: You’re reading my mind, Matt.

MATT: It’s like perfect. It’s like between 70 and 75 and there’s no humidity, no clouds, the weather… it’s like flawless every single day. That’s why people go through the summer months.

MARK: Another shitty day in paradise. (Chuckling)

MATT: You know we would love to have all of you guys in those cold weather climates to come and thaw out and spend a little weekend retreat in Arizona, we think that would be just beautiful.

JOHN: Okay, it’s a deal. It’s a deal! I think we’ve got Kris coming through. Either that or Serge is having a nap.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Now then we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK and JOHN: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: And we trust that you are also, those who are able to, get the video feed.

JOHN: Oh right, you’re video-ing this, are you?

KRIS: Indeed!

JOHN: Oh wonderful!

MARK: I guess we should give people the instructions on how to do this?

KRIS: It is being done as you speak.

JOHN: Oh!

KRIS: Now then…

MARK: Through Skype.

KRIS: Let us pursue some discussions on the sutra of the Orodin. One of the important aspects of understanding may very well be that much of the present knowledge, the information you have acquired concerning the official line of consciousness be suspended. In other words, suspend your beliefs and your disbeliefs about the very nature of what you think physical reality is. Especially in relation to your lovely physical senses which interpret energy in a specific bandwidth to confirm the creation of the contents of your awareness. Whether you are consciously aware or not is irrelevant if it is manifested physically, then it is a confirmation of the contents of your awareness, period. Does that make sense?

MARK and JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Indeed then. Over and above that, what is contained within your awareness? Where is your attention being directed, being held? How is it being played in a joyful manner to create other conditions and situations that you call life? As we suggested not that long ago, in regards to a question about how you may be or not, connected it to life, to consciousness? Do you remember that?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: It also applies to the stream or if you wish, the continuum of consciousness within your awareness. What kind of connections are you engaged in, in terms of awareness? Where is your attention in this moment? And the natural tendency would be to respond in terms of imagery and constructions you are familiar with, would you not?

JOHN: Sure.

(Mark confirms)

KRIS: And we would tend to congratulate you on at least being aware of that which you are familiar with and at the same time encourage everyone to gently push the envelopes of perception ever so gently forward in a manner of speaking, ever so gently in directions that might appear unfamiliar to your conscious perceptions, conscious interpretations. When you begin to understand the nature of your own energies, you then realize there is a literal universe that beckons to be discovered, that casts a siren call as it were, to draw your attention ever deeper into the very inner works of your own consciousness just as the siren would cast her song to the sailors to draw them to their island.

In the old myths, it was usually considered fatal. In this case, it is enlightening to follow the inner siren song to these unexplored territories within, to discover what kind of continents have yet to be explored by you. So many individuals relish the idea of their being adventurers, even trailblazers in the realm of consciousness and yet so few truly venture beyond what is already examined. Thus we are encouraging each and every one to continue pushing that envelope of awareness deeper into unexplored territories of your own emotional powers, of your own feeling tones, exploring inner worlds of your own making, of your own creation, the likes of which can truly be liberating and even enlightening. Thus it is to your advantage to become familiar with the contents, the contours, even the hidden chambers of your perceptions.

This is an opportunity then to go on the ultimate treasure hunt to explore those hidden areas of your awareness that you know all along exist nonetheless and explore this domain, these territories in a quest for your own Holy Grail as it were. And you may find that throughout the ages there have been many such stories and myths depicting a search for a Holy Grail in one way or another, these are allegorical, meant to entice the individual to explore these inner domains of his or her own consciousness. As the stories keep being passed down from one generation to the next, the innermost meaning of those myths is often lost, and the stories themselves become literal, as if there is no other meaning than a physical quest for a physical grail. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Because within each and every one of you there are so many different kinds of realities and dimensions, all of which you create very nicely indeed, some, so nicely that you hide them from yourselves. In all [of] the world’s mythologies there are grains of truth, sometimes distorted, usually allegorized in such a way that you have to utilize more than the conscious mind and the ego construction to connect the dots. You have to use deep intuitive connections that spark the imagination and fire your inner self to go on this inner quest to bring back answers and solutions not only to the challenges in your life but to the very mystery of what reality is and what you are.

Many, many, many ancient cultures, societies and groups, some that even persist to this day, have some kind of circle of inner teachings. Some of which also tend to become distorted with the passage of time as you know it and the forgetting of the roots of the seeds of the allegory itself. Thus religions themselves are installed, created around what was meant to be an allegory, a symbolic representation to inspire the individual to search in his or her inner dimensions for the keys to their own truth and instead, you have the establishments of what is called truth by possession.

One group claims to possess the truth and another group claims to also possess the truth and another group also claims to possess the truth, all of which simply means that none of them have any truth of any kind because the origins themselves have been forgotten. And many of these myths, whose truths have been forgotten in the annals of time, even dropped into the bottomless wells of forgetfulness, many of these ancient myths, allegories and so on, are meant to evoke within each of you a memory, sometimes even simply an echo of the deeper truths that are within your inner selves. And those truths are first and foremost that you are eternal and immortal consciousness and there are many different ways to bring about a recollection of these truths.

When one religious body or another claim to hold these truths in their completeness and in their absoluteness, then the truths themselves have been lost. What this all boils down to is that from the most remote times, there have been many attempts to bring the human species, regardless of its present state and occupations or concentrations, there are many attempts to bring back those ancient memories, those remembrances that you are Orodin. That you are more than what you seem, that you are indeed an ancient species, a very ancient race, even more so than your physical lineage, your physical ancestry, that you go beyond the physical ancestry itself. You are a particular, if you wish, group or kind of Uguur. Do you remember?

MARK: All That Is.

KRIS: Indeed, that we had suggested that there are many All That Is or All That Is’, that they have a name, they are the Uguur. There are many kinds of Uguur based upon their inclinations. The Orodin is one such kind or species of Uguur. And you are indeed a most wonderful and creative in all so many aspects and part of the game, you could say, involves hiding these ancient truths, nay, even more than ancient, even though there are very few words that would describe such a quality, but if someone can indeed find one, then please share it.

These primordial truths have more to do with the very nature of your being as Orodin, as Uguur, and part of the play if you wish, whether it is act one scene one or act one hundred scene one million, and so on and so forth, involves rediscovering your truth, the truth of your nature, and you play the game so very well, sometimes to the point of almost completely believing the characterization that you take on as a finite, mortal individual expression of consciousness, that in a flash, you appear in time and space, and in a flash you are gone.

And at the same time, there is still within each and every one of you, deeply buried in what you call your subconscious mind or awareness, there is still that un-definable quality that always enables you to stay connected to the continuum of consciousness. That somehow rather you never completely forget the very nature of your being, though you can play at the forgetting which is all and well allowed since you make up the rules.

But if you do take the time to consider that even as human beings, as expressions of Essence, if you wish, expressions of Orodin, that you have still, a great connection to that power, so great indeed that anything you observe through your physical and non-physical senses, you automatically create. That you reorder or reorganize, transform the very units of consciousness that are your own into the imagery, into the items and objects as it were, identified by the physical senses into the very things that you concentrate upon.

So when you concentrate and look out into the night sky, you may not yet understand the infinite potential at your disposal so you interpret that as far-flung celestial bodies and solar systems. And if you were to take the time to gently encourage yourselves to get to know the contents of those inner or hidden dimensions within your own being, you might recognize that your own powers, your own abilities, your own potentials are staring back at you. The depth of your infiniteness stares back at you from what you call the emptiness of space. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: A lovely image, lovely, lovely image.

MARK: Wow!

KRIS: So you have a great deal of potential yet to put your finger on. And as we have continued to encourage you, that potential gradually makes itself known to you, the more you are inviting of it, not the more you are opposing of it. Thus as you invite and allow this potential, you gradually transform your existence first and foremost to make the allowances to utilize that potential. And as your lives are transformed, then it continues to be to you what can only be called self-evident. So you can keep finding treasure after treasure deep within the mind. But finding the treasure in itself is nothing spectacular though it is still an accomplishment. What is spectacular is what you do with it. You may find fire, but if you do not know how to toast your hotdogs and marshmallows, you might not even know how to keep yourself warm with the fire. Does that make sense?

MARK: Oh yes.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: As you allow yourself to grow in that potential, discovering that the stream of your own thoughts, the stream of your awareness allows you to recognize that first and foremost, you create all of what you perceive. That your perception is the lens through which reality will be mirrored. If you capture the depth of the meaning of this, then you will definitely clue in that you can definitely find treasure even within your perception. And these changes to your perception are causal in that the rest of the reflections must echo the perception. Thus physical reality and imagery will confirm the perception.

We cannot repeat this often enough, if that is the case then, you should be able, in small increments, begin to look or observe the contents of your perception and from that point on, make the changes that you want to see in your life. This may sound all fine and dandy does it not?

JOHN: Oh it sounds very dandy!

KRIS: For example, some of you are experiencing discomfort of one kind or another. You may call it illness, sickness or another…

MARK: Colds.

KRIS: Indeed, perhaps we can explain this way. When the artist begins to create with pigments and oils on the canvas, the artist begins in simple brush strokes to apply oil here, there, to match the picture the artist has in his or her mind. Correct?

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: The artist does not simply slap the canvas to his forehead hoping to leave an imprint. The artistic begins in small way to add brush stroke after brush stroke, seeing the image, the finished product in his mind, gradually adding more and more of the product to the canvas. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yeah. Being an artist myself, I follow perfectly.

KRIS: Indeed now, the image or creation begins to build up. What may have looked like a little picture here and there, quite disparate one from the other, begins to take shape, almost pixel by pixel. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

(Mark confirms)

KRIS: Indeed. Eventually the artist becomes quite excited knowing that what was once contained in his imagination is beginning to completely appear as he envisioned it or as best as is possible for him to transfer onto the canvas. You can do something similar. For instance you might desire a new item in your house. You can see the image in itself in your mind. Perhaps you desire a new computer. You might see the image and feel the excitement of what it would be like to have this item. Do you follow?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Indeed. What we are suggesting then is to use the marvelous power powers of your imagining and begin to create what you already see, but small bit by small bit, as if you are creating, deliberately creating the computer piece by piece in your mind’s eye. Perhaps you will see the base of it, gradually building the sides, up towards building the top. Not unlike when someone is building a house brick by brick, nail by nail, wall by a wall. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: That adds a great deal more concentration, energy, momentum and even excitement as you quite deliberately create the item, unit of consciousness of by a unit of consciousness in your mind’s eye. Do you follow what we are saying?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes, in a sense the pixel that you were talking about earlier could be thought of as a unit of consciousness.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: But I like the idea of just smacking the canvas on your forehead and getting the picture that way, is there not, can we not get that to work?

MARK: Or you can paint yourself a new computer.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Which ever way you engage the process, the point is to add your concentration, add your energy, add your excitement, your desire, which by the way is how All That Is also creates. Now breaking it down, it would be this way. To the mind of All That Is, the process is done before it is even thought of being done. You do not have that luxury. You are encapsulated as it were. In a specific dimension you have created in order to break down the processes at such a level that you can particularize it. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes it does.

KRIS: To observe all of the minute emotional power that goes into the creation of your desires. It is not that you have watered it down nor slowed it down, but you have designed it in such a way that you can examine it in minutia.

JOHN: That gives us a chance to change our mind and refine our understanding of what it is we want.

KRIS: Even more so, it gives you the opportunity to apply this kind of science in such a manner that when you yourselves return as it were, or in a manner of speaking, return to the position of full scale creating, you have a much better handle as it were, the manner in which you design. Compare it to the great masters themselves whether Michelangelo, da Vinci, Cezanne and so on, even when they started, they began very small. Once they mastered their art, then indeed in no time at all, they could transfer the powerful inner imagery rather rapidly. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely. So we’re at the stage of painting by numbers a little bit here.

KRIS: Indeed. That is because you are engaging the ego construction and the conscious mind. This kind of creating process or the manner in which you engage the process is unique. Many do not venture here because they have no need of the specialties as engaged by Orodin, this kind of Uguur. You could say that your species is nosy, wants to know the nitty gritty, is not satisfied merely painting the cosmos red but wants to know how the cosmos would be painted red.

JOHN: That’s… that rings true for me.

KRIS: Even if you have to have a cosmic beer or two.

MARK: Was it brushed on, rolled on… (Chuckling)

JOHN: Yeah, what brand exactly, yeah, that’s exactly, yeah.

KRIS: What you learn as your conscious awareness expands is also then shared by countless others. It is not that others have less of an interest. They are also interested but in their own way might be observing.

JOHN: They’re prepared to let us do the work in the trenches.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I’m reminded of what I call the Post-it note practice. And that’s when you have a goal, and you, you’ve got a nice big blank wall over here, and you put your goal up on a Post-it note, and say, for me it happens to be a cruise, so I can put that Post-it note up.

And then just before it, what did I do? So I write that on a Post-it note, “I got off the plane”, put it there. What’d you do before that? “I got on the plane.” Before that I packed, I bought my tickets, I did this, I did that, I did d-d-d-d-d, hence you got the backflow of the whole thing mapped out in Post-it notes on your wall, you then go through it forwards.

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: One by one and then you go through it again, faster and faster and you’re concentrating on it, you’re putting your energy into it, you’re doing something about it, I think it’s a very similar concept.

KRIS: Indeed now, it is not that you are less creative than your brethren. Your own curiosity leads you to specific kinds of adventures. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh yeah, for sure.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: Ten to.

KRIS: Indeed then, it is perhaps a little too late for a break, thus we may as well continue.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Do you have any other inquiries?

MARK: No. (Chuckling)

JOHN: I have a question, Kris. I love the, I very much appreciate the poetic, allegorical, inspiring way that you talk about allowing and inviting these greater potentials. Here’s the question: if I’m going through my life, you see we’ve got a tool box, we’ve got a toolbox of tools for fixing problems basically, right? Now this is not about fixing a problem, this is about exploring and inviting greater potential.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: But I want a tool! In other words, I’m going through my day or I’m at work and I’m walking along the street, what can I stop and do that is going to invite and allow my greater potential to come through in that moment?

KRIS: Now firstly, you have a toolbox to fix problems or challenges but that’s only because that is all that you have allowed yourselves to do with that toolbox and the tools within so far.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: Now, just as much as a carpenter or a plumber or electrician can use their tools to repair a electrical wiring, cabinets or plumbing that has somehow rather gone faulty in those terms…

JOHN: I see where you’re going.

KRIS: …those same individuals also can use their tools to create houses, the wiring within and the plumbing within.

JOHN: Okay, let’s for example take triple A.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Acknowledge, Address, Accept. I’ve been using that as a fix, as a repair tool. Let’s imagine a way to use that as a creative tool.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: So…

KRIS: So what would you apply it to?

JOHN: Well, let’s say I’m here right now doing what I’m doing right now. [It] may as well be here now. And so I’ve got these perceptions…. okay, it’s easy, first of all I’m going to acknowledge what I’ve got here. I’m acknowledging it. Now, I’m addressing it, and I’m saying “okay, all the beliefs involved, that’s why I’m doing this, and the continuum of perceptions has to do with those beliefs” and I’m kind of saying “okay” and now I’m accepting what’s here now and the beliefs that are behind it, and the expectations that are behind it…

KRIS: And what if you went further? Acknowledging the energy behind your perception, the events of your consciousness, addressing your perception as the lens through which those events are filtered, and accepting those energies, meaning yourself, for you are the energy…

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: …and how all of these come together in this precise moment of your existence to cast your energies in the delightful way that it is playing at this moment. It is having fun with joy or otherwise.

JOHN: And accepting and inviting greater potential right here and now.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Okay, that’s great, thank you! I’m gonna revisit the toolbox and recast them all in terms of construction rather than repair.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. It is the same tool or toolbox or the same tools within, simply applied in a different manner. You all have the very same tools of creation, how you choose to utilize them is another issue. Again, we must therefore ask, how are you connected to life? Simply as the repairman or the creator?

JOHN: Hmm, I hear you. Well it’s funny you know, I did a session yesterday with a guy who was a healer and he told me that I was much more comfortable and I knew what to do spiritually when I was coping with difficulties, and that I was at a bit of a loss spiritually, in terms of what to do when things were going well. So I think that our little discussion right here addresses that.

KRIS: In many ways, yes. And your situation is not unlike that of many individuals so accustomed to be reactive to life that when things go well you wonder why they are going so well and why is there nothing to fix? To your great surprise you might discover that that is the natural state of your being.

JOHN: Ooh, what a thought!

KRIS: So if you can suffer the thought of having some degree of joy for some part of the day then you are well on your way to discovering that you can have more joy during more of the day and more in your life. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh, it makes beautiful sense!

KRIS: And for all intents and purposes, that is what this great adventure of the Orodin is about, finding as many different ways as possible, that is why you have probabilities, that is why you create probabilities, you create them, they’re not created for you or by anything else. As Orodin you create all the necessary possibilities and avenues and probabilities and everything else within which you will explore where all of your great energies can be applied, and in what way.

JOHN: And what my greater potentials are.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And from what you’re telling us, there’s no limit to that!

KRIS: Even “no limit” often tends to present a form of limitation, but we understand what you say.

JOHN: How would “no limit” present a… is that like that idea of the sky’s the limit and the astronaut comes around and says “oh excuse me. The sky is not the limit”.

KRIS: Yes.

JOHN: Well maybe we should check in with Matt and Nicole and see if the Skypies have a question in the last five minutes.

MATT: You know it never just, it never goes to fail that when I listen to Kris I just feel so small and so large at the same time, you know. You know we don’t, those of you Skypies, we’d love to have some questions, I think that everyone’s just kind of glazed over, listening to what Kris has to say.

KRIS: Then indeed, we are quite happy with that, and some of this will of course spill over into the CMI talk on Sunday, so glaze away. And with that, we thank you for the limitless possibilities offered through your gentle and loving consideration and we thank all of you, we thank thatradio and Hugh, and everyone involved for lending of their energies, and sweet dreams indeed.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Wow.

JOHN: Wow, I hear you Matt about being glazed over.

(Chuckling)

MARK: Well if you look up into the night sky and look at all those possibilities, all those potentials, waiting to be explored.

JOHN: Yeah, like the unlimited, unexplored, unimaginable parts of the physical universe are an outward reflection of our own unknown inner bits and pieces.

SERGE: Did anyone get the feed?

MATT: You know what, we didn’t get it. It was, I think it might be the IP address or something, so we may have to swing again on that, try again.

SERGE: Okay. I know that the Ethernet cable doesn’t have a little latch on it, and it may have fallen out or slightly pulled out of the port behind the laptop.

MATT: Well we are looking forward to seeing you guys, added visuals.

SERGE: Well were also going to do the broadcast again on…

MARK: CMI?

SERGE: CMI.

JOHN: Oh great! It’s wonderful!

SERGE: We’ll go set that up.

MATT: Wonderful, wonderful, were gonna be seeing a lot of you guys!

SERGE: (chuckling) You might be sorry, ha, ha, ha!

(Laughter)

MATT: That warms our heart.

JOHN: You sound a little congested, Matt.

MATT: Do I sound congested?

JOHN: Just maybe a little, is it just the speaker?

MATT: You know what, I’m not sure, maybe I’m feeling, I guess I feel like I have a little cold but it’s getting cold here in Canada! This is my last Thursday here in Ottawa, next Thursday I’ll be, I’ll be on the road on my way to San Antonio, so you guys will get Marlene and Nicole in Arizona to be hosting with you.

SERGE: Wow!

JOHN: Oh! Well that’ll be great!

MARK: Great!

MATT: Yeah, it’ll be fun, I’m sure that they’ll enjoy it and I hope that you guys will as well.

MARK: They can pump some of that 84 degree dry heat through the wires.

(Laughter)

MATT: Yeah, boy that’ll be nice, that’ll be nice.

MARK: Well that’s our time, kids! So it’s been a wonderful show and I thank everybody, thanks Matt and Nicole.

MATT: You’re welcome, thanks for having us.

MARK: And goodnight everybody!

JOHN: Goodnight!

MATT: Goodnight everyone!

(Session ends)

Whales and Dreams

October 14, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 14, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Ellen, Tom, Lisa, Jerry, Anya, Theresa, Marlene

(7:58 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. If you care to, you can un-mute and since you are a very nice intimate group, perhaps this discussion can also be quite intimate, so if you have any inquiries please feel free for a very nice nonchalant chat.

MARK: Does anybody have a question?

ELLEN: I do, I do!

MARK: Go ahead.

ELLEN: I’ve been thinking about what you said about us not being ready to understand whales, and I think that was kind of a challenge and I’d like to pick up the gauntlet there if I may. I think the reason you said we aren’t ready to understand whales is because we so often insist on being literal and analytical, and I’m always yammering at people to understand symbols and to recognize that everything outwardly physical is a metaphor, a symbolic representation of our inner experiences.

And I think in this case with the whales, a little understanding of Totem Animal Medicine could be a big help. If you look at the ocean, it’s symbolic of the deep unconscious or subconscious realm and that would include the dream state, so I was figuring that whales are perhaps representative of our guides and voices through the dream realm. Following that line of thought, I figure that whale song is very, very important, because whale medicine is said to be able to open sound frequencies that can bring up the memories of ancient knowledge.

With whale medicine, we can do this with our own voices. With our own unique and personal sounds, we open our memories, including memory of Essence. I’ve been experimenting with chanting for some months now and I can attest to its power, and you have spoken numerous times about the power of sound.

I also think that you maybe have not been so mysterious about the role of whales as you’ve said (Chuckling) because I think the seeds of this understanding has been carefully planted within many of your presentations over the past few years. So I wondered what you might have to comment on about all that.

KRIS: Your observations are very good and clear and perhaps you will understand more. The human experience is often confined to its typical expression of the human form as you know it. Yet, a great deal of your experiences in fact the majority of your experiences, are subjective and not objective in terms of a physical experience. But inner and psychological experiences make up the largest portion, not only of your experiences, your energies, your encounters and there is so much more about yourselves that you are not aware of consciously, but you are making strides collectively.

Perhaps it might assist you in understanding that you have other forms as well some that are not human in the way you understand it but still exercise a certain dominion within an environment where you can have other kinds of experiences. That knowledge is not readily available, though perhaps in myths and tales, folklore and ancient legends and stories. And your species has functioned on the assumption that it is the most intelligent life form on the planet because of what you do, such as build civilizations.

Yet there are vast aspects of yourselves you know very little about and you exist in more than one environment simultaneously, over and above the idea of probable selves or probable lines of development. You have thus many different bodies. One of those bodies is that of the whales. One of those other bodies is that of other cetaceans: dolphins, orcas, and so on.

So many millions and millions of years in your historical past as it were, there was a decision, a collective agreement to exercise other possibilities to manifest energies which can be utilized as a vehicle for consciousness in a way similar yet different from your typical human body. The experiment involved the kind of bodies you know as cetaceans. So in many ways these are also your kin, your brethren, and yourselves, portions of your energies actively manifest in a different kind of environment within the same sphere or plane of existence as this one.

ELLEN: So whales couldn’t be considered as other focuses of ourselves, right?

KRIS: In a manner of speaking, yes, but not in the same way that you would have a probable self as you normally understand the term. It is a different experiment that consciousness undertook at a different point in time in your experience, with your agreement. Over many millennia you have forgotten those aspects of yourselves and out of the lack of knowledge along those lines you have taken other life forms than yourselves as inferior, having lost the lines of communications and simply out of ignorance engaged in a form of genocide of your own kind in another form.

You are on the cutting edge, as it were, of energetically recognizing that these species — though different in form from your own and with different expressions of their energies — you have forgotten that they are more than animals.

ELLEN: Seth has always said that we could tap into the other consciousness of other species, other life forms on the planet. Tapping into whale consciousness, would there be a familiarity to that?

KRIS: Indeed. Most human beings who hear whale songs, irregardless of the whale, experience a deep longing, almost a recognition of something very deep within them or themselves that they have forgotten about. Simply because they live in a different environment is not necessarily a barrier to connecting with the whales, and through consciousness, through your dreams, you can tap into that vast continuum, which is part of your own continuum. As soon as you begin to consider that whales are not simply big, dumb beasts, and open your awareness to the possibility of communicating with them through deep feeling tones, your experience with them will definitely change.

There are some people who claim to communicate with whales, and much of that can unfortunately be distorted through their belief systems, but it would require a concerted effort to make the communication, and it can be done individually. Just as you are not necessarily limited to be where your body is, so can you understand that the whale’s body and its consciousness are not simply the same thing. Do you follow or does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: I think so. Is the communication that could be achieved, is it more through the emotional body?

KRIS: Emotional and psychic. You can connect with them utilizing your emotional tones as a kind of radar to connect or make a link and then open your awareness up to impressions, some of which may indeed contain powerful emotions, or at least emotional waves that can then be utilized to create imagery.

ELLEN: That makes a lot of sense to me. Listening to whale song recordings brings up a lot of emotions that connect to imagery.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone who is able to, can procure themselves recordings of whale songs, and whilst playing them utilize the signals as you would a carrier wave and reach out with your awareness into the oceans as a point of reference to communicate with their energies. It does not mean that you will all be successful, because there are some immense barriers that may need to be overcome in that respect.

ELLEN: Are these ancient memories more accessible for the whales?

KRIS: Quite so. We have suggested in the past that whales themselves do not come from your system. Do you recall that?

MARK: Yes, I do!

KRIS: For all intents and purposes, neither do you come from your system. This is a continuum that you have all created within which to express portions of your energies. At a unique point in the history of consciousness, as it were, other kinds of awareness, other aspects of Essence connected or communicated and engendered this sharing in such a manner that at one point your energies might have seemed inseparable, just as easily as at one point in time your ancestors had no difficulties acknowledging that they were both human and tree and river and mountain and field and animal simultaneously. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: Over the course of experimenting with ideas and concepts this project was developed where you would retain a connection with those energies, those aspects of Essence that would experiment with those forms suitable for living in a different kind of environment or atmosphere that you call water, which to them is no different than air is to you.

As we suggested earlier, over the course of many eons, you have forgotten this deep link as you have also forgotten that you are an intimate part of the environment, everything you see within it, meaning that you have chosen to isolate yourselves to a great degree, such as considering yourself nothing other than the human being that you are, whilst in truth your energies are still intimately connected with your tree selves, your river selves, your mountain selves, your planet self and so on. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yes. That exercise you led the CMI group through, experiencing self as water and as wind, was a nice demonstration of the feel of that, I think. There was a feeling of expansion of consciousness.

KRIS: Indeed. That very exercise can be refined so that you can experience the whale’s form or body and its awareness. Your first tendency would be to interpret that kind of information along the lines of your present understandings, but if you allowed yourselves to not censor portions of the communications that may seem strange or unusual to you, you might establish a much better link with your cousins of the deep seas. And you might even experience what it is like as they journey, but for the most part as we suggested earlier, it might require much practice. Do not forget that many members of your species still consider whales as little more than food, so they might feel reluctant to engage a communication. Do you follow?

ELLEN: You mean the whales may feel reluctant.

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN: (Chuckling) Yes.

MARK: I’m not sure I’d want to have a chat with my dinner either!

ELLEN: (Laughing) You mean your DINER!

MARK: (Laughing)

LISA: Are whales considered Orodin as well?

KRIS: For all intents and purposes, yes, though their origins are somewhat separate from yours, but you have shared for so long together that they can also be considered as such.

ELLEN: Something you said last week at the Toronto session I thought was interesting was that species of consciousness are not limited, they can cross… another species of consciousness can become Orodin, you said.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And vice versa.

ELLEN: Yes.

MARK: Now we talk about our ancient history with the whales, our relationship with the whales or the energies that are the whales, yet the whales only became expressions of Essence, I don’t know, a decade or so ago, but that doesn’t negate the history that we’ve had, is that what you’re saying?

KRIS: We are not taking into consideration that information. That is all we need say on that subject.

MARK: Okay, that makes more sense to me now…. (Pause)…. I’m just wondering about these dream portals. Obviously we’ve talked about the feeling-tones and how we can use whale song to give us imagery and feeling-tones and expand our awareness, even connect with our own Divine Self, but what more can you tell us about these dream portals?

KRIS: What do you understand from the words “dream portal”?

MARK: A doorway, a gateway… a means of connecting in linear terms from one place to another…. so to take that to the next level, it’s a way of connecting the human species through the dream state to all the various different aspects of self.

KRIS: For the most part, whether we say dream portal or threshold or gateway, do understand that this in many respects creates a point of reference for yourselves. The only separations that exist are the ones that you have established, sometimes out of necessity, in order to keep focusing your energies on one particular track in order for you to concentrate on the task at hand of creating a unique kind of experimentation of consciousness that you call physical reality with your physical senses.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: These dream portals or gateways can be accessed usually with some practice, the practice mainly utilized to acquaint yourselves with the very fact that there are no separations or portals involved, but simply the establishment of a different kind of experience beyond a certain established boundary of your consciousness as you know it. Once you move towards those areas, you leave behind many of the references that you are accustomed to. You leave many familiar landmarks as it were, entering territory that may be interpreted quite differently by your own awareness. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: You do take excursions in those areas on many occasions. Because there might be no point of reference, no familiar landmark as such, you might tend to do away with the experiences once you return to the more familiar territory of your consciousness. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, I understand that.

KRIS: You can gradually ask your dream self to engage more memory of those kinds of actions or travels where you become aware of consciousness in an area that is not your normal point of reference. It may require time and you may only get glimpses of these things as unusual objects or forms that may appear inconspicuously within the context of one of your other dreams, where you may have put or dropped the most familiar memory of that experience in the context of another dream to retrieve it, whereas by itself it may be completely unrecognized. Having no reference point there would be then no point in picking it up, as it were. It would not even be on the radar.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: But you do often leave small packages, little items in your dreams, that you may simply gloss over and not notice, but if you do utilize certain practices within dreams, you can pick these out. They would be like psychological breadcrumbs, so that you can return to those places, as it were, but with more conscious awareness. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Does anyone else have inquiries? It need not be on this same subject.

ELLEN: Just something that occurred to me when you were answering Mark’s question, I’m not sure I fully follow, but when you enter into an area of dream realm that you have no point of reference, isn’t it your nature to immediately build your own interpretation of what you’re sensing, of what you’re coming into contact with?

KRIS: It is your habit to want to translate that energy into terms you may recognize.

ELLEN: So then these small, like, what you termed breadcrumbs, would be sort of the little things that kind of almost escape our notice…

KRIS: Indeed, that would not necessarily fit. For instance you might find a square and try to put it into a hole.

ELLEN: So that’s the sort of thing that would alert us and prick our curiosity –

KRIS: Correct.

ELLEN: — where we would realize we had entered into a different or unfamiliar territory, so to speak.

KRIS: Indeed. You might also interpret the configurations of that particular region of your consciousness, since it would be alien to you, as perhaps being an alien environment that you might associate with your normal understandings of something alien, such as what you might see on television or in films.

ELLEN: So is this why so many people have these so-called alien abduction encounters, because they themselves are coming into these different areas they’re unfamiliar with, so they immediately attach it onto something that they’ve heard or read or seen that coincides with what other people have talked about?

KRIS: In many respects, yes. Do keep in mind that, as we suggested over the last few weeks, you cannot observe any event, situation, condition or otherwise without creating it as you go along.

ELLEN: So even though that might be kind of a scary encounter, it still feels more comfortable if they can put it into the context of an alien abduction. Is that correct?

KRIS: Yes. You are, the dreamer is, creating the experience.

ELLEN: Right.

KRIS: It is easy, and we understand the tendency, to easily think of oneself as not creating those experiences because they might be bizarre or unpleasant — or worse, that somehow or other the individual is a victim of an event or of something they do not understand — BUT, consciousness is such that YOU create what is before you.

ELLEN: Right.

MARK: Ellen, have you ever noticed in the dream state, some dreams appear to be very linear, they seem to be storylines and yet others are very chaotic, they jump around, they’re all over the map, and sometimes even frightening. Those chaotic dreams that jump around, those tend to be the ones where you’re having trouble creating references.

ELLEN: Okay. Yeah.

MARK: But if you dwell on those ones, write them down and think about them and dwell on them, you can create references.

ANYA: I have a quick question about dreams. On Thursday night on Kris Radio when we talked about the energy of touch and the importance of that for all of us, we had a conversation, two of us, and we decided to project into the dream and I had a voice in my head, an insight, saying that the person, my friend, will show up in my dream looking differently, so during the dream recall I would be looking for the different looking person. So what would be the reason why I would be having the experience of connecting with this person that will have a different appearance than the normal (waking) reality?

KRIS: Now when you appear in others’ dreams, you do not necessarily appear always in the form you see in the mirror. The form you see in the mirror is your interpretation of the ideas concerning yourself. Another would perceive you as his or her interpretation of your energies. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: A little bit, but not quite. The person in my dream that, even if it was the same person that I know in this physical reality, it’s still the person, but I was encountering my interpretation of this person, right?

KRIS: Indeed. And when you appear in other individual’s dreams, they might not see you always as you see yourself when you look in the mirror. THEY will interpret your energies as they need to. For some, you may appear younger or older, or even as you think of yourself in your mind, separate from the image you perceive in the mirror. One of the most beautiful aspects of consciousness in this way is that you are simultaneously many different kinds of forms. You are young and old, male, female, child, adult. You display certain aspects of your energies, certain characteristics and traits in different ways with different people.

You are simply not aware, none of you are generally aware, of doing this because you are very much focused in the official line of consciousness. But over and above or beyond that, you are many different forms at once. You know yourself by your energy. Others know you by your energy. And in deeper dream states, you may not even have any specific form per se, though energy in itself is a kind of form, but different from the one you are accustomed to. So you have many different representations in this way.

Even physically, someone may perceive you somewhat in the manner you perceive yourself when you look in the mirror, but with other differences. For some, you may be something entirely different. You have friends that are not always physical. Some of them may have been physical with you in experiences in other times, some will be physical with you in other times yet, and others will not be physical, period, but you still know them. Some of them appear in your dreams. They might be individuals you know ONLY in the dream state and you will never meet them physically.

Others appear to you only in the dream state and occasionally you may encounter such an individual in your physical life, looking at that person, feeling as if you know them from somewhere, you might not be able to place the face, but you definitely sense that there is a knowing of this person, that you have met them before and it is quite likely that you have never met them physically but have engaged with them in the dream states. Does that make some sense to you?

ANYA: Yes, and what factors would determine, for example, if I’m meeting Mark in the dream state and then I’m meeting somebody else with a slightly different appearance, what are the factors affecting that?

KRIS: What do you mean by “factors”?

ANYA: Why would, in one dream, I would experience Mark just the way I know him in physical reality and why would I experience a different person in a different form or shape? Would it just be determined by the general content of the dream and the feeling-tone?

KRIS: There might be necessities that have to be met in that particular environment where the individual is familiar to you in physical appearance, but there might be other occasions when you might meet the individual in the dream state and perhaps simply sense you know this person, but you do not know who they are, because his energies might be configured differently.

MARK: If I may jump in, Anya, you are Anya and I’m Mark, but you are also Greensleeves and I’m Philip and Philip and Greensleeves may have had many lifetimes together. So when our energies meet in the dream state, it is more than just as we know each other now, so we may appear to each other in many different forms.

LISA: Would that also include mythical creatures like a…. six-headed horse? A six-headed talking horse that could also be like an individual, but…. we are seeing them in our dream as like a six-headed horse?

[At the beginning of the evening Lisa told us about a recent dream that involved a six-headed talking horse.]

KRIS: Are you perhaps indicating that Mr. Ed has a personality problem?

(Group laughter)

It would then be wise to consult with his cousin, Frances the Mule, as long as you do not talk to Your Mother, the Car!

ELLEN: (Laughing) Some people are too young to remember those shows.

KRIS: For all intents and purposes, know that many of you have had dreams for instance, when you find yourselves in large crowds, perhaps in a school-like environment, a university environment, a theatre environment, or any other place where a large crowd can gather, and to you in the dream state, you might think nothing of these individuals as they all have a certain bearing of familiarity. You might even, in the dream state, know ALL of these people, which can be hundreds of more times people than you know in your life, or you might even ever know in your whole life altogether. And you might occasionally reflect upon all these people and wonder who they are. Have you ever had such dreams and pondered this kind of question?

LISA: Yes.

TOM: I had a dream like that recently, too.

KRIS: As Philip pointed out, you yourselves are multi-dimensional personalities. You are more than the one individual you are concerned with, meaning yourself. Your Self may be a composition of hundreds of other focuses or expressions of Essence. These may be part of the crowd. You might also have more acquaintances than you would know what to do with in the sense that all of these other focuses of Essence also have their own kinds of acquaintances. They might also be present in that kind of a dream environment.

You may also have a great deal more links to other people, some who may also be presently physical on the planet, but living in other geographical areas. They might not be focuses of your Essence at all, but they might be individuals you have shared other lives with or simply people that connect with you in specific dream environments that also have physical lives elsewhere on the planet. Does this make sense to you?

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: Now as to your dream of the many-headed horse, have you examined what horses mean to you, what the image of a horse speaks to you? How do you feel –

LISA: Yes, I’ve thought about that.

KRIS: And what did you answer yourself?

LISA: Well, one was the Brahm energies, I always see Brahm as a horse, the other is that a horse is a very powerful and beautiful, graceful animal, but nothing else. I didn’t grow up with horses or anything, in fact I was afraid of horses when I was a kid, but lately horses have been coming up, so I was just wondering if animals mean something different than individuals in a dream.

KRIS: Indeed. For one thing, you have more than one focus involved with horses in one way or another and in a very meaningful way. The imagery is coming up in your dreams because the significances can be of assistance to you…. (Pause)… You may ask your dream self to provide you with more detailed information, a clearer image and clearer information so that you have a better understanding of your relationship with the imagery. What was your feeling when you saw the many-headed horse?

LISA: I knew the many-headed horse, it was familiar and we were conversing. It was a familiar feeling, it wasn’t alien and I was surprised to see a many-headed horse, but the surprise vanished really quickly and I felt comfortable.

KRIS: Did you find it difficult to maintain a conversation with all the heads?

LISA: (Giggling) I don’t believe they were all talking at the same time.

KRIS: They are very kind! Now we did tell you at some point that you also have a kind of unique relationship with Brahm.

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: And we believe you also associated the imagery of this horse with Brahm energies.

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: The other focuses that have a relationship with horses triggered off in your own subconscious questions about your own energetic tie with Brahm. Do you remember anything the heads said to you?

LISA: No, not really. I could have it in my recorder but I haven’t transcribed those yet.

KRIS: Indeed. Ask your dream self to take you back and remember the dream as you fall asleep, and ask your dream self to take you back into such a dream to recreate the encounter and see what exists there for you.

LISA: Okay, thank you.

KRIS: Are there other inquiries?

TOM: I just had a comment.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Just the other night I had such a dream that you described where I was walking through this theatre and all the seats were stacked and I was stepping on the armrests walking around all these people that were in there and it was as if I knew every single one of them, although I didn’t have a reference as to how I knew them. After I woke up I thought about it and figured it must be other focuses of mine.

KRIS: Some could very well be, and others could be acquaintances of your focuses that you would also be somewhat familiar with and others are the projections of individuals that you encounter in the dream states. When many of you gather in such a way, you usually find yourselves often — though not always, but often — in a theatre, in a school-like or university-like environment and you come together because you have important information to pass on to each other.

You have significant information to convey to each other, whether you are onstage or in the crowd. You still communicate large amounts of information. You interpret those encounters into the images and the scenarios that you recall, but underneath the imagery is a vast exchange network of information that defies the intellect and the conscious mind’s knowledge and ideas about the communications involved at those deeper layers of Self. The very fact that you become aware of yourself in that situation and if you notice, most of you in those situations do not necessarily recall ARRIVING into those scenes, but you do know that you are there. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And the fact of that matter is that your consciousness has been engaged in that kind of exchange for far longer than the moment that you became aware of it. You became aware of it because you focused in that area, but you are creating the scenario and you are also creating the way it is presented to you. Your consciousness, whether you are awake or dreaming, is engaged in so many different actions that you cannot keep track of it all consciously so it falls to what you refer to as the subconscious mind to keep track of those activities.

And these are layers of the subconscious more removed from the conscious perceptions than you can recognize immediately, thus you perceive this through the auspices of the dream states. In fact your consciousness may have been active in those environments for days, even while you were awake, but whilst you are awake, you are very rarely concerned at all with the actions in the dream states, correct?

Even though you are still engaged in those actions, you may at some point become aware of those actions and to you it seems that it began at that moment even though it has been ongoing for some time, in your terms. And you are in those environments almost constantly as a means of engaging exchange, but you only become aware of these gatherings on an occasional basis because so much information is exchanged that translating it all via the auspices of your conscious mind is simply an overwhelming task. Do you follow?

TOM: Yeah, I had a question about that. The moment I become consciously aware of it in the dream state, that’s when I create the dream for myself to remember that there’s something going on and here’s kind of an overview of it, not the details of it, but an overview that I can remember when I wake up.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you have also been creating it behind the scenes. You become aware of it when you notice it. There are deeper layers still within the dream states where literally the entire human race taps into the continuum and creates communications in an attempt to work out the optimum situation both for the entire race and for themselves to maximize growth, awareness. However, what is engaged at the conscious level makes it so that often those deeper exchanges unfortunately rarely make it to the surface of the conscious mind and must await optimum opportunities. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Mmhm.

MARK: What about a dream where you’re at a university and you’re naked?

(Everyone laughs)

ELLEN: I love those dreams!

KRIS: You might be in art class!

MARK: (Laughing) Nope!

KRIS: Those kinds of situations are also very profound in that this may very well represent that to others you are naked in truth, there is nothing to hide. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: You interpret it as being physically naked, but there is also a psychological nakedness and that is the crux of that experience in the same way that often other individuals may dream that they are also naked with groups of people or in public washrooms and choose to eliminate in those situations. These are dreams that are not often spoken about because there is your conscious sensibility and sense of guilt and shame, but there are often such dreams engaged and they would imply that there are many things that you would like to eliminate from your system, either concerning the group of people you are with, or otherwise have a need to empty yourself of. These can also be profound experiences. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Any other inquiries? What is the time?

MARK: 9:10.

KRIS: Perhaps a small pause would be in order.

MARK: Okay, 9:10 Break.

[At the beginning of break, we had a bit of fun ribbing Mark about his naked dream and Lisa about her 'special relationship' with Brahm. Lisa wondered aloud if the CMI group was experiencing many interesting dreams and a number of people shouted out "we are!" Anya said that she seemed to have dreams nearly every night about one or more people in the group. Break ends at 9:29 PM]

KRIS: Now then do you have any other inquiries?

LISA: Yes, I was wondering during the last radio show when you mentioned that there are others that came before you and others that will come after you to kind of share a message and you said that others are being encouraged. I was wondering: you are being encouraged by whom?

KRIS: By yourselves. Your degree of openness, your inquisitiveness, the transformations you are establishing in your life, all of these are encouragements, so that these so-called “others” which may even be other aspects of your own Essence, can come and participate, be a contributing factor aiding or bringing assistance, rekindling the ancient knowledge that has always been with you, voicing that which you often might choose not to listen to, always encouraging you to go beyond your own limitations, to know yourselves as you do not yet know yourselves… (Pause)… Please continue.

[Anya had to mute herself due to interference caused by her computer's external microphone, so she types in a query on skype and Lisa voices it for her.]

LISA: Anya is asking if there are any recommendations to have more dreams with consciously recognized energy of Essence.

KRIS: [Make] a simple request before you fall asleep, and keep at it. Now your ideas of what that may be may clash with what it is. Does that make sense?

MARK: It does to me!

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: There are occasions when you do not even know you have made such a communication because you might be expecting the rolling thunder and the bells and whistles to go off and it does not occur. You might simply dream of discussions with someone who may appear older or wiser, a sage individual, without recognizing what the contact is about.

There are other times when you may indeed have such an encounter and it is so different from what you expected that you do not recall, because the contrast is more than what you expected. So by suggesting to yourself that you are open to all various manifestations of those encounters and choose to respond accordingly, you might precipitate an encounter. Does that also make sense to you?

LISA: Yes. Do we have those dream connections with our Essence every night, or occasionally?

KRIS: That all depends on your needs and there might very well be, since you are never truly out of touch as it were, there are very many different avenues of communication that you do not pay attention to, you do not notice or remember, so by encouraging you to dream more, to become more aware of your dream encounters and to recall those dreams, you may notice the occasions when you are making that kind of a communication.
Are there other inquiries or would you prefer to call this one a night?

LISA: Anya has one last question.

KRIS: Indeed.

LISA: She asks what would be your recommendation for the CMI group doing explorations together. What kind of an intent would be the most beneficial?

KRIS: Perhaps that can be a topic of discussion during the next meeting.

LISA: Okay, thank you.

KRIS: Now we wish you all well. Know that your state of health is only a thought away. Literally. And your dreams are even closer. And we thank you for you generous consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

[Session ends at 9:38 PM]

Detailed Roll Call:
Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)
Hawaii: Tom (Desiré)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar) and Jerry
Utah: Anya (Greensleeves)
Halifax: Theresa
Arizona: Marlene

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