Fireside Chat on Dreams

September 30, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 30, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Lisa, Jim, Mavis, Matt, Nicole, Tom, Theresa, Ellen, Brian, Jen and Cathy

(7:52 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you again for your gentle consideration as well as your mirth-making consideration (Delaware was a bit rowdy pre-session in celebration of Brian’s near 100 percent recovery from cancer surgery). As Joseph has noted to you, the voice is not as challenging as it usually is, so you will have to pay particular attention so as to be focused (Serge’s voice was a bit hoarse, but Kris’ delivery was quite good throughout the session). This evening we would like to continue the fireside chat we last had with you if that suits your consideration?

MARK: Indeed it does. (Mark un-mutes the phone line) The lines are open.

KRIS: And in this way it will also add to the material you are putting away.

JEN: I would like to ask about you naming this the “fireside chat” because, as we all know, those were famous speeches given to the United States and also going out all over the world during World War II that President Roosevelt used, so I would like to know how that relates to how you perceive these conversations.

KRIS: Well, for one thing, we are not in the habit of instigating warlike talks, but instead, use words and word association ideas, mental imagery, linguistics and neurological processing in order to bring a sense of harmony and balance into the individual that is sharing within these chats. (Humorously) And basically because we are also sitting beside an old fireplace!

JEN: (Laughing) So it has nothing to do with that. I get it.

ELLEN: (Chuckling) Not an FDR thing.

BRIAN: Kris, since our session and since the cancer operation, as far as probable realities go, for myself there’s been a huge shift in me that I never would have thought I saw coming, and ever since we did the exercise on cleaning out the attic and doing trash collection inside that hopper car, is that everything seems sweeter in life. The smells are different, my perceptions are different…. I feel as though it’s a whole new beginning in a lot of respects and I would just like to follow up on our session…. I haven’t lost the humor, but in a way I do feel as if I’ve actually grown up. Everything is different somehow, some way. I’d just like your take on that, my friend.

KRIS: Indeed, we would surmise that this was not only your attic that was cleaned out, in more ways than one….. That WAS meant to be humorous!

BRIAN: Oh, yeah… Exactly. (Jen, Cathy and I chortle) Oh, I see! (Chuckling) Yeah, I was cleaned out all right! I wasn’t sitting down for awhile!

KRIS: As well, you utilized this opportunity to sharpen the edges of your contrasts in life, developing a greater sense of appreciation for who you are instead of, in many ways, dragging your feet around, hoping that things would change. You made change happen and that has created a domino effect in your particular perception. Thus, not only do things seem brighter and more colorful, sounds seem sharper, touch seems more intense, sensuous and delicious. Foods seem to taste a little bit better, correct?

BRIAN: Correct, everything, EVERYTHING is different, I mean, my world is different.

KRIS: Indeed, because you have decided then to become a different person.

BRIAN: And loving it, too. In fact I played two shows this weekend and was absolutely relishing being in front of an audience and it was so powerful. It was euphoric, to get to play again.

KRIS: Indeed. Now the last fireside chat centered mostly around your discussion on dreams and we would enjoy pursuing that avenue as well.

TOM: I have a question there, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: I noticed lately there’s different perspectives I can take on a dream. One where the rules of the dream state say that you should be more fearless and not afraid of things like falling or what might happen, whereas the rules of regular life say you should be a little more cautious. I’m just wondering are there different perspectives based on different dream bodies that we have? Like, for instance, if we have a dream that’s kind of telling us something as opposed to actually interacting in the dream state. One, we might be worried that we’re doing something a little dangerous, where in the other one, we might need to explore more and DO dangerous things and not be afraid. I’m just wondering if that has to do with the different dream bodies and different perspectives involved in the dream.

KRIS: Indeed, now you feel confident that we will assist you in exploring this can of worms!

TOM: (Laughing)

KRIS: Because that is what you are asking about! That is fine. First of all, yes, it is advisable to be prudent for one would not want to think that you can leap off a ten-story building as you do in the dream state, but whilst you are awake. The physics and dynamics of the experience would be entirely different. One would be literally bone-shattering and the other would be liberating, though one would consider perhaps that bone-shattering could ALSO be liberating, but not in the same way!

What you are asking about is most appropriate, and one of the questions we were looking for this evening, and do keep that in mind, not only for yourself, but for others who are listening. We often look for questions, we look for information we have already shared with you in other states, and the more you notice your energies, the more you are aware of your consciousness, the more you will find those and that is another subject for another time.

As to your inquiry, be aware that you do experience everything instantaneously. By everything we mean all of the events that you consider history, all of the events of your life, all of the events of all of your focuses instantly, in the now. Your neurological processes sort out these massive amounts of information, relegating some into areas that will probably never appear in your waking mind, and other bits of information will be processed differently in accordance with your own lines of preferences. These have to do with your own perceptions, thus while you are focusing your awareness on one dream event, you are simultaneously focusing your consciousness on all of the dream events you are experiencing that night, plus all of the dream events you are experiencing in this lifetime plus all of the dream events you are experiencing throughout all of the focuses, and so on and so forth.

Your own perceptions act as blinders in a kind of way, allowing you to focus on one bit of this massive stream of dream experiences, one bit of those at any particular given flash of time. Otherwise, you can easily imagine your own conscious awareness and ego structure would themselves very well head for the hills, being unable to process these vast amounts of information. Does that make sense to you and does that also blow a few synapses at the same time?

(Group chuckling)

TOM: Yes, quite naturally.

KRIS: Yes indeed, because you have the totality of all experiences available to you now in this instant, but it has to be processed in a specific manner, a manner that suits the neurological and biological processes that you have meted out and created for yourself with this one body and it is not that the body is thus a limitation nor your enemy, keeping you from experiencing the totality of your being. You have chosen — as well as all of you listening, and all of you reading further on — you have all chosen to have a specific body with a specific kind of physical and neurological, biological processes as a means to measure out and to gauge and to temper a vast stream of information and data and material that you transform into your life.

And you have chosen to do so because it is utilized as a specific field — this whole physical experience is a field — that you come here to experience, that you come here to enjoy because it provides you an avenue of observation in a very secular, separation kind of way, because you are fluctuating between fields of duality and non-duality. And within that field and the stresses that are created within the two extremes, you find a unique perspective and you utilize this to learn about the great capacity of your own creative powers.

You utilize the field of energy of this type of consciousness much like a laboratory researcher would utilize specific elements and instruments and vials and tubes and compounds in order to study the specific effects that he creates in the laboratory. You do the same thing. The instruments, the elements and the compounds, in your case, are your emotional intensities, your feeling-tones, and all that is relevant to your subjective and objective states. These are all the tools of your trade. As Orodin, you are indeed magnificent creators. You make great use of all of your innate potential and you are learning once again to rediscover what you thought was lost to you and we are only too happy to assist in bringing this once again to your awareness and to your remembrance. Does that answer your inquiry?

TOM: Yes, and one quick question about the two dream bodies. Are we actually experiencing the awakening in a dream and not knowing it…. no, that wouldn’t be possible, because by definition awakening within a dream, we would be conscious of it….

KRIS: Not necessarily conscious in the way you think of it. You do awaken to the awareness within that particular vibration or field that you may refer to as one of the dream bodies. You can become aware even though you are also aware of sleeping. It is possible to be individually aware of several consciousness locations simultaneously because you are not separated by time and space. The experiences are divided instead through various segments of your perceptions.

You become aware of your activities within the first field or dream body. You then become aware of the activities of your consciousness within the second field, or second dream body, and third dream body and fourth dream body individually, because of the states of differentiation that you experience whilst being physically conscious and awake. As you grow accustomed to dealing with those states, then you can begin to spread or widen your awareness in those particular fields or dream bodies themselves, capable of developing awareness of being in second, third and fourth dream body simultaneously.

The difference is merely a shift in your perception, as if you are looking two feet ahead of you, four feet ahead of you and then six feet ahead of you, and then focusing in such a manner that you can be aware of what is happening two feet, four feet AND six feet all at once! And then you can choose to isolate only what is two feet or four feet or six feet ahead of you individually. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, and to look at it from our time and space perspective, we may look at or get involved with one of the different perspectives at a time, but we can actually see all four of them separately and then we would interact with one at a time rather than four at a time.

KRIS: For the time being, until you develop sufficient capabilities to choose to interact with each field simultaneously.

TOM: So that would be like having a double focus with the mind when you start out with say, two fields, one focus would be in one area and the next focus would be two feet in front of it…

KRIS: Indeed. Imagine dreaming in quadrophonic experience.

TOM: Okay, thank you, Kris.

MARK: So, Kris, the dream that I described this morning on the CMI, was that you sharing the information with me in the dream state, or was that just sort of me giving myself a head’s up of what was coming?

KRIS: We would say parts of both and more. You interacted with us in a different way because of your relationship with Joseph as well as ourself. In this way, portions of your awareness are already engaging in a synchronous manner with our own energies, thus you would have translated bits and pieces that would have filtered down to your dream levels and thus you would have then transformed or interpreted in a fashion that would trigger deeper memories.

MARK: I find I’m doing that a lot lately, either just before or just after conversations with you. I get my own interpretations and my own perspectives through the dream state, which I enjoy immensely. It’s a way of furthering my understanding of the topic.

KRIS: Indeed, this — as well as with yourself and all of the listeners presently — this is a way for you all to pave the path for more experiences. You are laying a foundation, laying a neurological pathway in the brain as it were, that allows for the translation of these communications at deeper states. And this then prepares the way for more experiences, but you need a starting point, a point of departure for it to be recognized and from there you can continue to pursue those adventures and experiences in a manner suitable to your perceptions, perspectives, and who you are.

Thus you are indeed most fortunate in many ways that you have created for yourselves an experience in a particular kind of structure of society that enables you to communicate and share in those experiences. There are others who may have to wait for more opportune creations of their own to come to the same point. And even though, as we suggested, everything that you observe is observable and exists because you create it as you observe it. And the same goes with all of your lives and you collectively share in that kind of an experience.

Everyone else is engaged in performing the very, very same activities. You are each creating in the moment what you experience. What then could be more wonderful and miraculous than groups of individuals who become consciously aware that such processes are actively engaged and can direct the flow of their consciousness, the flow of their observations, to create optimum situations that create joy, happiness and fulfillment? Think about this for a moment and even ponder the possibilities of bringing this kind of information into the dream state whereby you can directly influence what you dream about, because dreams too are what they are because you create them as you observe them.

What wonderful experiences then are these for you. As the gentleman said once, how sweet it is that you can avail yourself of the knowledge and information and materials necessary to bring these great creative powers to your conscious awareness and in this way slowly begin to set off this Renaissance or revolution of consciousness because you will eventually observe other individuals beginning to engage the very same principles and processes that you are familiar with and who creates that but yourself, giving the others then, the opportunity to avail themselves of the same properties and propensities of consciousness, realizing their own innate potential in a way they may only have dreamt of for so long. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: Any other lovely inquiries, or are you busy re-connecting the blown fuses? Please feel free.

MATT: I have a question, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: I’ve been listening to a lot of lucid dreaming programs lately and I’m wondering if they are helping me or if there’s a certain type of like brainwave pattern that works out best and I’m also wondering, would it be beneficial for me to wake myself up periodically thoughout the evening so I can remember… I can remember my last dream, but it seems my last dreams make me forget the dreams ahead of them, so would it be beneficial for me to wake up throughout the night?

KRIS: Waking up throughout the night after specific dreams could in itself prove problematic. You could wake up very often, thus there is a work-around in terms of suggestibility that you can offer to yourself the suggestion that when you awaken in the morning you will be able to remember all of your dreams in the sequence that you had them, and keep at this suggestion until it begins to flow into your remembrance. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: Now, as to listening to recordings to help elicit lucid dreaming, there is nothing wrong with such processes. It allows you then to develop the kind of awareness necessary to engage those actions. The only difference we would suggest to you then is to modify the suggestions that you will begin to remember several and then all of your dreams in sequence when you awaken, not only the last dream. They are stacked, if you wish, embedded within your memory. Those suggestions may help bring them back. And even if you have a fleeting image or even a snippet of an image pertaining to another dream, write it down. The writing down will focus your awareness upon it and may then bring it out of its hiding place. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Yeah, absolutely and I could actually even make my own CD’s, with my own voice telling me that.

KRIS: Indeed. That is correct. Any other inquiries?

TOM: A follow-up question on that, Kris, did you say… maybe I misunderstood this… Is it not more beneficial to wake up after each dream during the night, or more beneficial to wait until morning to wake up and try to remember them all?

KRIS: Depending upon your schedule. As we suggested, it could be problematic if you have eight, ten or twelve dreams. Then you would be perhaps waking up more than what you sleep. Do you follow?

TOM: Got it. Normally how I was doing it when I had eight, ten or twelve dreams, I’d wake up after every dream and write it down.

KRIS: If it suits you, then so be it. It may not be not suitable for others. Some of you may think that you dream that you go to work, you wake up, write it down and go back to sleep! So it is all a matter of what functions best for you. Other individuals are comfortable with voice recording their individual dreams. Please continue.

TOM: I did have one other question about remembering the dreams. Are we sometimes in meeting in Framework 2 where we may be told not to record this meeting, or for certain reasons we shouldn’t remember it, then as we wake up, that information’s almost right there, but it’s almost like it’s been sprayed with something so we couldn’t remember, is there that type of relationship going on, for our benefit perhaps?

KRIS: We would suggest that some of those dream experiences are so profound that the information has no point of reference in your usual Framework 1 establishments, so you might be more apt to put those into a different kind of memory bank that is not directly associated with the events and conditions pertaining to Framework 1 activities, your daily waking life. It does not mean that the material has been obliterated. It is still part of your consciousness. You can train yourself to remember it separately, to enter into a state that this information is to be found in, but it may not necessarily be found in the regular states where you gather information and memories. You can in that way make certain kinds of specific areas, little pockets of data that are pertinent to you at other layers or frameworks. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Simply know that the information is never lost, but as you return closer and closer to the regular waking state, deeper experiences that have no point of reference in the waking state may appear to be so diluted as to be unnoticeable, but if you were to concentrate upon those areas or pockets, then it may eventually be brought back. That requires someone who is very apprenticed at the art and the science of dreaming.

TOM: Yeah, that makes sense.

KRIS: Do you remember the little story we shared with you on the radio about the dream enchantress, Moon Joy?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: In it we dropped a hint that we do not believe has yet been recognized, but we suggested that many of you become dream whisperers in almost exactly the same way that you have dog and horse whisperers. In this case, learn to communicate with your dream selves and your dream energies. Establish that kind of a relationship where you, in your waking state, get communications from the dream state, even when you are not dreaming and sleeping. This will also prove significantly enriching as a means to bridge the apparent gap between the waking and sleeping states, which bridges your apparent gap between your conscious, rational, logical mind and your intuitive, creative, imaginative mind, creating beautiful links indeed. Do you follow?

TOM: Yes. Does this also bridge the gap between our different perspectives, our after-death perspective, our now perspective in our life as we think of it now, our perspective many years from now before we die, all these many different perspectives, are they linked through the dream state?

KRIS: In many respects, the atmosphere that you encounter in the dream state and as you deepen your travels through that atmosphere you indeed enter a very after-deathlike environment because all of those experiences, as we suggested earlier, are occurring now. They only appear separate to you from your present vantage point, which again, is not a disadvantage to you, it is not a hindrance, but another point of view to observe your energies in action. It is why you have undertaken these kind of life journeys. Does that answer your inquiry?

TOM: I’m not sure if I understood you… yes or no that the communications that these other aspects…

KRIS: We were perhaps too subtle. Were we too subtle? The answer is yes.

TOM: Okay.

KRIS: But listen very carefully to the words we used. They will lead you deeper into the answer. The answers that we often give are structured and layered with multiple platforms upon which you can then view areas of your lives, so study many of the angles we are providing and you may see things differently. Unless of course we tell you differently, which might be another subtle trick!

(Group chuckling)

MARK: As a follow-up to one of Tom’s questions there, I’d like to comment. I’ve been experimenting with something we’ve talked about in the book and that’s those dreams that are very confusing, disorienting, or just below the memory, as you just spoke of tonight, or too bizarre, or there’s just no frame of reference to the ego or to the focus personality. And what I’ve been trying to utilize with some success is asking myself very kindly to set aside the egoic perceptions and ask my higher Self, my consciousness, to give me an interpretation that I can understand. And I’ve been having some success with that.

KRIS: Indeed, that is what we suggested: become dream whisperers. Sometimes it may feel to you that some dream parts or bits are like little greased pigs, just as you think you grab onto one, it is gone. But approaching the subject matter in a creative way will bring you desired results, but it requires a sustained practice. You may find that just below the surface of your awareness, there are all sorts of tidbits of information in dreams all bubbling right below the surface, yet still apparently out of your reach. The point is they are out of your reach because that is what you are observing at this moment, and if you observe something, you are creating it because it is what you believe. That is the model you have given yourself. Thus, if you allow an alteration in the model, change that perception, then those little greased pig dreams will suddenly appear very much within your reach and you can grab them.

TOM: So this has to do with while we’re awake also, if we feel a dream happening while we’re awake that we almost can touch, but we just can’t remember any of it. We know it’s happening like right now while we’re walking, then this would also pique our awareness and eventually get out that information also?

KRIS: Correct. As we suggested earlier, your dreams occur whether you are awake, asleep, or otherwise. Even when you consider someone has disengaged from the physical form, even when you will experience what you call your death, you will still be engaging dreams, some perhaps even pertaining to a new focus or different kinds of experiences that can draw your attention, but they will still continue, albeit in a different fashion, not so much out of reach, but very much within your multiple reaches. The dream landscape, once you are disengaged from the physical form, becomes altered. It can become as apparently solid as when you were physically focused and engaged until you recognize that it too is a dream state, and you will interact with the dream states in a different way than you do when you are physically engaged. Are there any other lovely questions? What is the time?

MARK: 8:36.

KRIS: Then perhaps a small break will be in order where you can have some lovely discussion with your dreams.

[Kris withdraws for a short break and returns at 8:44 PM]

KRIS: Now then we trust that you have had a small opportunity to think about and to ponder the things we have discussed. (To John) You had a question, did you not?

JOHN: Yes I did.

KRIS: Would you share it?

JOHN: My question is, the way you’re describing dreaming, it begins to sound to me like a quality of consciousness, and my question is, do trees and stones dream and part two: do ideas dream?

KRIS: You are ready to be here for awhile?

MARK: (Laughing)

JOHN: No problem!

KRIS: Indeed. It could be experienced in dream time.

JOHN: (Jokingly) Oh then, let’s do that!

KRIS: Now then, very quickly and briefly: Yes to your questions. To break it down, yes, dreaming, dreams, and dreaming is an innate property of consciousness, much more so than merely a quality. As to ideas and rocks and stones and trees dreaming, again, the answer would have to be yes. Consciousness itself dreams and it could even said that dreams are NOT the by-product of synaptic functions and having a sour pickle too close to bedtime, that instead dreams are not something that you experience because you are human, because you are physical, instead, you are experiencing a physical lifetime because you dream. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Lovely.

KRIS: Just as you are not a human being having a spiritual experience as much as it is often said you are a spiritual being having a physical, human experience. Do you follow that ?

JOHN: Yes, I love it. Wonderful. I love that parallel structure.

KRIS: Indeed, because your entire physical creations are viewed from within in exactly the same way as anything you consider to be a dream experience. The physical focus is an extremely sharpened, heightened, enhanced dream experience. From the point of view of consciousness it is exactly that: a different kind of dream experience. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

As for trees and rocks, again the answer would have to be yes, because the energy units, composed themselves of units of consciousness that make up the forms and the images you physically interpret as rocks and trees, mountains and oceans are also engaged in various dreams. From the tree or the stone’s perspective, that energy could very well be experiencing a dream state from a particular vantage point where it is enabled to observe perhaps the actions of other consciousnesses from its unique perspective.

Perhaps in the form that you interpret as stone, rocks, mountains, to you appear to be immobile for the most part, yet from its perspective it could appear to be in a particular position to observe a different kind of neurological processes that is not physically based at all. From its perspective or vantage point, seeing, sensing, feeling energy forms behaving in a different manner than it. So you have a mutually beneficial relationship — again, a synergy — where you can observe each other functioning within the range of your potentials. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, it really almost seems to be rather than a waking state, dream state, on and off state, it’s almost like a continuum of different dream-like, waking-like states in a wide variety of gradations.

KRIS: Indeed, that is exactly what it is, a continuum. From your perspective, when you are awake, you think you are now REAL, and what occurs in the dream state is, by rapport, NOT REAL, correct?

JOHN: Right. “Oh, it’s just a dream!”

KRIS: Indeed. You can have the luxury of brushing it off as simply being a dream. Not real. Something you do not have to really care for or about. However, whether you consider it not real or otherwise does not in any way diminish or minimize its reality and it portends well that each of you play with this idea because, again, whether rocks, trees or ideas, all of the constructions of energy in the multi-dimensional realities that exist in this continuum of dreams all have perception in one form or another. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, they all have perception, so they all have identity, they all have…. awareness.

KRIS: In their varying degrees, separate from your own. Your own perceptions and identities might consider that a rock HAS NO identity, has no sentience, therefore is not alive! And to you, according to the laws within this official line of consciousness, makes perfect sense, of course. The rock does not reproduce, the rock does not feed itself, it does not FEEL anything, therefore it is non-sentient, not alive. That is what it APPEARS to you to be.

However, underneath that thin veneer of logic is another entirely different reality where the energy that you interpret as a rock can be completely different in appearance and everything else and have a kind of sentience undetectable by your own senses, and because you are accustomed to focusing ONLY upon your own senses and sensory perceptions, you would not think to utilize your inner senses, your inner vibratory senses to pick up on the energy or vibration or tone of the consciousness that appears to you as a rock.

Now we are aware that many would think that we all have rocks in our heads for even discussing this subject matter, but so be it! Ideas themselves experience dreams in their own ways, experience sentience-ship in their own ways because they too are the very by-product of the dreams of All That Is. They too are a product of what you call the Holographic Universe. They too contain all of the energies of the All That Is. It is not possible to not have that energy within each of yourselves. That is the nature of that consciousness. Does that suit you fine for an answer for your inquiries?

JOHN: Suits me right down to the ground, thank you.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 8:56.

KRIS: Are there any other inquiries?

TOM: I would have one more if nobody else wants to go. Kris, you mentioned that having daydreams is very much like dreaming at night and sometimes I catch myself dreaming a dream that I can almost interpret and understand while awake. And I’m using this little daydream practice to get closer to that state of consciousness where this dream is happening in my waking state and the little adventure that I’m doing is I’m imagining myself climbing up this construction crane with a little radio and a lunch box, and I climb all the way out to the end and I sit there and I eat a sandwich, turn the radio on and I start looking down over the edge to see how far down it is and that seems to be helping me to connect with this dream that’s going on while I’m awake if I use that particular daydream. I wonder if you could comment on that method that I’ve come up with.

KRIS: It is excellent, first of all because it functions for you and other individuals might develop their own methods to engage daydream symbolism as a key or access code if you like, to those more subtle states that are still fully active but simply existing in its way right behind the thin veneer of the fields of logic that appear to separate you from the waking and sleeping states. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Now then, we would like to return Joseph to you so that he can nurse his throat and we thank you for your lovely consideration, wonderful questions and if you understood what we suggested about us or our energies dropping tidbits within your dream states, then perhaps it may inspire you to look for something within your dreams. And with that, we thank you and return Joseph to you now.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 8:59 PM)

Kris Radio: The Incredible Simplicity of BEING – Part 2

September 27, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 27, 2007

SERGE: [LOUDLY] The mike sh…

(Laughter)

MARK: (Chuckling) Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and joining me tonight is…

JOHN: And it’s John Hawkins, back to have fun with Kris. And of course we can’t have any fun with Kris unless we first of all tickle our next guest and that would be…

SERGE: The one that said that the “mic should work just fine”, me.

(Laughter)

MARK: Well welcome to another Thursday night. Our topic tonight, “The Incredible Simplicity of Being” part two, which as John just said is… means is rather complex.

JOHN: Well no, it’s just simple in more than one way. (Chuckling)

MARK: Well before we begin though, I’d like to talk a little bit about “The Happiness Project”. “The Happiness Project” is a Kris workshop. It’s a one day event, October 13th, 2007 here in Toronto at the Ramada Plaza Hotel.

SERGE: We still have some spots left?

MARK: Yes. It’s from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. it’s an all day with a lunch, and it’s happening here in Toronto. For more information you can go to Krischronicles.com, Kris with a K, slash happiness dot html, and its all there. The cost is $80 up until September 30th but after that the price goes up to a hundred dollars per person. [ http://www.krischronicles.com/happiness.html ]

JOHN: And I think it’s worth checking out the website because this I think is going to be a very interesting workshop. We don’t often think of well, you know Kris has helped us understand a lot of amazing things that we didn’t think was within our control. I was mentioning last week that many of us don’t believe that we can control what we believe, right?

MARK: That’s right!

JOHN: But apparently we can. Well, imagine being able to control whether or not you’re happy.

MARK: That’s a big one. And you can…

JOHN: That’s better than…

MARK: …and it’s all a matter of perspective and as he’s talked about before, but this is going to go into much deeper.

SERGE: And I believe Matt and Nicole are online?

JOHN: Good, “hi!”

MARK: Hey!

MATT: And we are happy!

SERGE: That makes us happy too.

MARK: Sorry kids, I forgot to introduce you!

SERGE: And therefore we’re all happy so workshop is done.

MATT: That, that is well okay and all of us Skypies, all of us Skypies are happy too, we’re happy to be here, thanks for having us.

JOHN: Oh good.

MARK: Last weekend, Serge and I were in Halifax, and in Nova Scotia, and I just wanna put out a thanks to Teresa in Halifax for arranging an incredible workshop and hosting us.

SERGE: And Jeannie…

MARK: Jeannie Allen

SERGE: …as well for the Friday night event and…

MARK: …and the wonderful barbeque.

SERGE: Yup! Oh yeah, and Anya for organizing the Skypies for the…

MARK: …streaming video, which is something new that we are now experimenting with and this is remarkable and….

SERGE: Yup. It’s quite likely that the happiness workshop will also be streamlined live feed video.

MARK: So for those people that can’t travel to Toronto, there’s a very good chance that you’ll be able to just get the code from us and we’ll be able to stream it right into your computer wherever you are right in the world.

JOHN: Geez, that’s tempting to me. I have to travel I think about a block and half to get to the hotel from my place.

MARK: It should take you at least two and half minutes.

JOHN: So I think maybe I’ll just get…

SERGE: You should go to the… yes.

(Laughter)

MARK: I think it’ll be worth your while to actually go live.

SERGE: And just in case anybody is wondering, Halifax is a beautiful city, so is Nova Scotia, its stunning! We’re gonna be putting up some photos in a little while of our trip and Jim and Mavis from Calgary were also there, and on Sunday we went… Theresa was very kind and became our tour guide and took us to, what’s the bay?

MARK: Mahone Bay.

SERGE: Mahone Bay.

MARK: Lunenburg.

SERGE: And Lunenberg and the Ovens (sea caves) and it’s just stunning… yes? (addressing Hugh)

HUGH: Did you go to Oak island* in Mahone bay?

(*note: Oak island is the site of the world’s longest treasure hunt in recorded history)

(Laughter)

MARK: We wanted to but time was not…

HUGH: Did you hear about that place?

MARK: Yes.

HUGH: What’s going on over there?*

MARK: Well it’s funny that the show on just before us was talking about it just that Thursday before we went, so yeah, we thought that was a little ironic.

(*note: a schoolteacher in the 1800′s claims that he copied the symbols that were etched in a stone located in the original shaft. The stone has since disappeared and the copy that was produced was deciphered by Professor James Leitchi of Dalhousie University in 1860. His translation has recently been challenged by a researcher named Keith Ranville, giving an alternate meaning to the original translation.)

SERGE: It’s beautiful areas out there, and it was nice to drive through the countryside and like so many apple orchards and the apples are just starting to come in season now and you see trees laden with these bright red apples all over the place… I brought some back.

MATT: Serge did you miss the sirens?

SERGE: Not all. In fact Mark says I did hear one, but I don’t remember. I never heard any on the weekend.

MARK: It was funny, we were on the highway and I noticed that he didn’t even notice it and I wasn’t about to ruin his wonderful weekend so I didn’t tell him.

JOHN: Oh so, we’re…

MARK: There was something else I was gonna say about the weekend and now I just, it just lost it.

SERGE: Well we….

MARK: Oh! Oh! The seven circles yoga. We actually, at the end of the workshop, we went out this room that we had for the workshop had this beautiful deck, and we all went out on the deck and we went through and did all the seven circles yoga.

JOHN: Lovely!

MARK: Oh it was all amazing.

JOHN: Yeah, I’ve been doing those everyday since the CMI thing. How about you Matt and Nicole, have you been, you seven circling?

MATT: Actually I was just trying to get a visual of you doing it .

(Laughter)

JOHN: I don’t see what’s funny about that, personally.

(More laughter)

MATT: Actually you know what, I have been doing them. You know I take Gabe for a walk every day and so…

SERGE: Gabe does it too?

MATT: Well, you know what, I’m trying to get him, he can do a few of them, he tries to do, he tries the fish and he falls on his face so…

(Laughter)

SERGE: I’m going to try to… it’s been uploaded to the CMI website in a folder, I just have to send a notice out that people can download that little bit of video of Kris doing it initially.

MARK: Is it download or streaming?

SERGE: No it’s download, we can’t do it streaming right now. It’s downloadable for the CMI people…

MARK: Okay.

SERGE: So I’ll be sending that out, I got a couple of things to do. I also have… I didn’t have time today to put up the meditation that you put together Matt, on the reflections on the sardine story?

MARK: The sardine that stood out.

SERGE: I’m gonna be putting that up on the website as soon as we get home so, probably by 10 or 11 o’clock tonight it will be available.

MATT: That’s great. Not only is the sardine standing out, he’s got his own album now.

(Laughter)

SERGE: He’s a rock star.

MARK: And while we’re talking about these inductions and these meditations and practices, there’s a whole, it’s getting bigger there on the products page on the Kris chronicles site. These are pretty amazing 20 minute, roughly 20 minutes in length. The first one was to help you sleep and recall your dreams and have a very restful sleep, and if anybody wants to check them out, they’re on the products page.

JOHN: And also the negative and positive self talk ones. Kris himself has mentioned those and recommended them to several people since that time and he always says that you should listen to them in a particular order, the negative first and then the positive, I believe.

MARK: So we’re back to “The Incredible Simplicity of Being” part two.

JOHN: Well it was interesting last, we were chatting before the show, and I mentioned that Kris… I just wanted to check with Mark and Serge because it seemed to me almost too magically fun, but from my understanding of the last radio show, just simply being, for each of us, just simply being, is sufficient for us to create the universe are around us. It’s in other words, what are we recalling it, reality creation is a totally automatic process that is the result of the fact that we be.

MARK: Yeah, exactly. I believe there was a quote last week, something to the effect that this new experiment that we’re moving into brings the conscious mind into…

JOHN: Ah yes, being conscious of it, yeah.

MARK: …the equation and basically we’re waking up to what we’ve been doing all these years.

KRIS: Indeed and we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: As you have pointed out, you have always, you are always and you will always automatically create. It is inevitable. As inevitable as it is for the bee to collect pollen and create honey or the beaver to make a dam or the mosquito to go after your hide. So you automatically create. However the question is, would you rather create by default or become involved in the automatic processes so that you can create more of what you want and desire?

JOHN: Yo!

MARK: I’m going with door number two.

KRIS: Creating by default is indeed as miraculous a process, it does not change. The only difference is that in creating by default, you often assign blame for the things that do not go your way because you claim you did not create it. Therefore if you want something to happen, if you want your creation to be yours, then why not become involved in the process? In exactly the same way we suggested the last time, that you do not have to specifically understand the mechanisms and the machineries and industry that is responsible for creating and putting together or assembling an automobile. You do not have to know how any of these mechanisms work in order to drive the car, correct?

MARK: That’s right.

JOHN: That’s true.

KRIS: However, it is an important thing for you to know how to turn the key to start the engine and to know the rules of the road.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It is preferable indeed that you know the rules of the road for your own health and well-being and that of others. Would you agree?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: In this light, it is very good thing indeed as the Martha Stewart says, to know the rules of creation first and foremost. You get what you concentrate upon. In fact, it is impossible to get something without you creating it. Everything you observe, you observe because you are creating it as you are observing it. Whatever happens in your life, you are creating it at that moment. It cannot get simpler than that. So powerful is the mechanisms of consciousness, that very act of observing is that act of creating.

JOHN: Wow.

KRIS: So you do not need to understand all of the rituals and the dogmas except that you create what you concentrate upon. Your observing is that act of creating. That is how you interact in the universe. And as we suggested last time, you are, therefore the universe is, because it is a projection of yours. You are literally creating the universe from moment in experience to moment in experience as you journey. So you are the light of the world projected onto consciousness, illuminating the contents of your awareness, making yourself aware of what is contained within your awareness as you proceed on your life’s journey. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

(John confirms)

KRIS: Imagine people who work in mine shafts, going deep down into the bowels of the earth, sometimes with little more than that little light on their hard hat. And wherever they turn their head, the light is beamed or projected where then they can see the insides of the earth. And in some way then, they are literally creating that experience wherever the light beams. And in your own fashion, you do the same, though you do not travel to the bowels of the earth in that way.

You are traveling the corridors of your own consciousness, the vast expanse of awareness and wherever the light of your senses is projected, you therefore create that which your senses detect. That is the instant loop feedback mechanism, that is how you can determine whether something is to your liking or not. And when you recognize something is not to your liking, you have the tools and the means necessary to take actions necessary, to transform your perception, your light, your consciousness into something that you prefer. And if you notice something you like that you enjoy that you prefer, then you can keep concentrating in that area and get more of the same. And regardless of which side of that fence you concentrate upon, if you concentrate upon it, you get more of the same. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, it makes perfect sense, it makes me, makes me wonder a little bit though…let’s say… well, I mean to follow through with what you’re saying, if we shine a light on something and it brings to our awareness or we become aware of something that we’ve created there and we don’t prefer it, obviously by dropping it from our concentration…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: …it goes away, we no longer experience it. The question then, so in a way I’m seeing that the being-ness of, our being-ness is really about continuingly exploring our preferences.

KRIS: Indeed, whether you are physically expressed or not, you constantly create in that fashion. It is impossible to not create. Whether you have a physical focus, a million physical focuses or no physical focuses at all, you always create. If anything, you create yourself, and you start from there, you always create.

JOHN: That raises an interesting question for me. You say we create ourselves, now I assume you’re not speaking lightly there.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: So that when I concentrate on myself, I’m actually creating more of myself.

KRIS: You are creating yourself. And there is an aspect of your personality structure that is always geared towards that function so that you do not have to consciously have to think in any way, shape or form, and you call it the parasympathetic system. You do not have to think in any way, shape or form, how to take one footstep in front of another, in front of another, simply to go to the bathroom. Otherwise you would fall flat on your face way before you reach the bathroom because you could not consciously coordinate all the muscles, the nerve endings, coordinating sight and hearing and touch, the whole body, simply to put one foot ahead of the other. It would overwhelm that portion of you that you require as the conscious ego construction which is done automatically.

JOHN: Well that in a way, I mean I think that’s a thrilling vision of our potential.

KRIS: You mean falling flat on your face before you reach the bathroom?

JOHN: Well not particularly that part so much…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: But the question then for me is what does that free as up to then do. It’s all very well to say that we don’t have to worry about doing this and don’t have to worry about…

KRIS: It frees you up so that you can develop a greater awareness of what exactly you are creating in your life.

JOHN: Uh-huh, okay.

KRIS: Therefore you can spend more energies in creating more of what you want, not what you do not want because you always get more of what you concentrate upon. And the more you concentrate upon what you do not want. You inevitably will create more of the same. That is its basic mechanism.

JOHN: So really the last, you know, 10,000 years, when we’ve been concentrating on what we didn’t what is really just a momentary misstep that…

KRIS: You have also been creating many things that you do want.

JOHN: Oh that’s true too.

KRIS: And it is not necessarily a misstep but as a learning curve.

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: Hugh has a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

HUGH: I was just thinking about this, if for example, somebody who’s concerned about world events for example, this whole thing going on with Iran for example, okay? It’s in the paper today, their president’s being hawkish again but so if we just stop paying attention to newspapers, to the news, that kind of news, and we focus on our immediate associates, friends, the positive projects that we’re involved in and kind of just leave that out of our awareness, then will that, that takes care of itself or we don’t have to worry about it cause we’re…?

KRIS: In many respects then your reality will be altered. Do understand that one of the reasons many people concentrate and focus upon that, is because they themselves have areas of inner conflict and he is representing, just as many other world leaders are also representing areas of conflict. In these cases on the world platform. They also address those personal areas of conflict within the individual. Thus by disengaging the concentration, neutralizing it, altering its premises and focusing upon the things that you do want, because when you concentrate on the leader of Iran or other such nations, whether on the Western Hemisphere or the Eastern Hemisphere, you are still concentrating on things you do not want. Does that make sense?

HUGH: Yes.

KRIS: And by eventually guiding your focusing or concentration upon the things that you want in life, perhaps more happiness, more joy, more love, more companionship, more relations, more community and so on and so forth, then you will be realizing more and more that these things now start showing up in your life. These specifics begin to crop up [and] become part of your experience. That is in some small fashion, the potential of the power of your concentration. It is not that the leader of Iran will disappear from the world, because others also focus upon that specific kind of energy, but for you, it will seem less and less important, and other things you are beginning to concentrate upon will seem more and more important because they are the things that you want in your life. Does that make some sense?

HUGH: It does, I have a supplementary question.

KRIS: Indeed, and that would not be surprising.

HUGH: Okay. (Chuckling)

KRIS: And they are welcome.

HUGH: All right. So now like, if somebody else is concentrating on that, you know that pending war whatever, if they obsess and concentrate on that and I don’t, I concentrate on all the positive stuff that’s happening in my life, does the universe split in a sense and they get to experience what they’re concentrating on and I get to experience what I’m concentrating on?

KRIS: The universe does not necessarily split because it is your universe. You are the universe that you perceive.

HUGH: And he’s his universe.

KRIS: That is correct. And he will engage those areas that he wishes to experience due to what he concentrates upon. And in your case then, as in many others who wish peace, you may find there are many instances where you notice groups of individuals who may march and even riot to end war. But you may notice also that many of their tactics are war-like in themselves because they are not concentrating on peace. Does that make sense to you?

HUGH: Yeah.

KRIS: Thus if individuals truly want to see peace in their universe, then the recipe can be rather simple for the philosophical discussion without getting too involved into the dynamics at this point in time, but the recipe is simple. Focus upon creating peace if that is what you want, but if the outcome is not peaceful then you have not concentrated on peace, as simple as that. What you get, what you experience is the result of what you have concentrated upon. It goes well beyond simply saying “I want peace” but thinking it well beyond into the feeling of it, into the deeper compassion experience.

We have spoken on the need for compassion for many years now. Sometimes it has been ridiculed, but other times it has been taken into consideration and it will crop up again and again. Mainly because individuals could definitely utilize a greater dose of compassion towards themselves and that is what they will also begin to experience in their lives. If you but believed for a moment that compassion was as contagious as any diseases that you had out there, then definitely your species would be in a different space, would do not agree?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

HUGH: Just one more question if I may? So if somebody concentrates on the war situation in their universe, they get to experience that war?

KRIS: And any other areas that are war-like.

HUGH: But in my universe, I mean we’re sharing a universe, all of us, but he’s gonna experience that war in his universe that he’s concentrating… that I get to experience peace in my universe if that’s what I’m concentrating on. In other words, there might be a war in Iran in his experience, but I may not even get a war in Iran.

KRIS: To you it will not be drawn to your attention.

HUGH: Okay, thank you.

MARK: I find that by concentrating on peace, one is actually acknowledging the fact that there’s a lack of as well, and I think that’s where some of us go wrong.

KRIS: The idea is not to concentrate on peace with the idea that it is not present in the world. The idea is to concentrate and focus upon peace as if you were in a full blown ecstasy of peace, that it is surrounding you, that it fills your pores, that is what you breathe, that is what you eat, that is what you sleep, that is what you have sex with, that your experience is an experience of a peaceful nature.

MARK: And to be at peace with one’s Self.

KRIS: That is how you attain that. When you are at peace with yourself, then you can become a powerful influential force in sharing that energy instantaneously with others. And as we suggested with your present shift, once there is a certain level of momentum, then it accelerates or snowballs much more rapidly. You get a similar phenomenon…

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: …that is also the nature of that phenomenon. And in terms of the simplicity of being, your own focus or concentration whether on peace, compassion, love, joy or otherwise, is instantly communicated into all the other life forms wherever in your universe because you are the universe. It is one thing. The universe is one in that respect. And since you do share universes, they are all interconnected, then what happens in one is instantly known in all the others at that very moment of knowing. Your universe contains all the premises and the possibilities for all universes. Thus the very act of being, as simple as it is, is one of the most powerful acts of creation. That is what the Uguur did. They became, because they always are.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Thus instantly, everything is created. That is the nature of Holoncentric or if you prefer, a holographic universe. The entire universe is contained within every single particle, every unit of consciousness contains every other unit of consciousness. Do you follow? And does that blow a fuse or two?

MARK: I can drive a car, I just don’t know how works.

(Laughter)

JOHN: I can’t even drive a car.

KRIS: Thus being in itself can be a rather simple and even a joyous experience. And it does give you the abilities, the powers if you wish, the tools, the resources to make a marked difference in the way you have experiences and the kinds of experiences you have, by the very nature of what it is that you concentrate upon. So if you concentrate on all of the atrocities of the world, there may be two things going on here.

One of them obviously is what you concentrate upon, but you concentrate upon that because there is still a part of you that is filled with inner conflict that has not been addressed. Addressing it, such as utilizing our Triple ‘A’ method, acknowledging it, addressing it, accepting it, will allow the energy to be sufficiently diffused for you to move your concentration away from that phenomenon, or that experience, into what you want. And from that point on, knowing the process, the mechanisms involved becomes even easier to create your next sensational experience. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: And do you notice how we have just made it slightly, slightly, ever so slightly more complex. Not complicated, complex. There is a difference.

MARK: To change the world all you have to do is change yourself.

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: We have a question from Skypeland.

KRIS: Indeed. We are happy that Skypelanders are listening.

MATT: We love to listen to you Kris. Alan in Colorado asks “to what extent does the mass consciousness of our world impact the individual and his or her reality?”

KRIS: You presently live in a world where it seems that you are constantly bombarded with information from all corners of the planet, sometimes all at once. And depending upon what you are concentrating inwardly, you draw to yourself the kinds of information that match your inner concentration, the inner reality creating mechanisms. By utilizing the triple A as one of many modalities, you can begin to shift, and we use the word quite directly, you can begin to shift your concentration on to those things that you want, and begin to have experiences where you do not need to be dependent upon the mass reality because the mass reality in itself is another kind of focusing from yourselves or on your own parts.

Thus, you begin to recognize the official line of consciousness and the unofficial, meaning your line of consciousness, your private personal experience of reality, and directing your concentration towards that can again have a tremendous influence upon who you are, what you are, what you do, and how you do it. So yes, it does have a certain degree of influence, but only as much as you allow it. Does that answer the inquiry?

MATT: Yeah, that’s great. Marlene in Arizona wanted to ask “what part do our expectations play in creating what we want or is expectations the same as concentrating on what we want?”

KRIS: You utilize the great powers of your concentration and never, ever, ever underestimate the powers of your concentration. Now depending upon your concentration, you will have different experiences, and again, by directing your concentration to those areas that you want in your life, we are suggesting that you anticipate that these elements will begin to show in your life. Consider them like lighter fluid upon your barbeque. It increases the effects of your concentration.

There are two different kinds of anticipations, there are anticipations where you insist others do what you think they should do and then there is the kind of anticipation, expectation as well, where what you begin to concentrate upon, you know already because it is the basic nature of consciousness, you know already that your anticipation, your expectation will demonstrate the effects of your focusing upon the reality that you experience. Do you follow?

MATT: I do. Does… so if the time, if there is no linear time and the future is the present, an expectation or an anticipation is really just a present view of a future event?

KRIS: In that sense, yes. However do take note that you have a specific neurological system that functions upon certain synaptic sequences that are part of the translation of the products of your imagination and concentration into physical terms. Consider it this way, when you send a fax or an e-mail, you are transforming something your eyes perceives as solid to a degree, digitalizes it into an electronic signal that is then received at the other end and again translated from that electronic or digitalized stream into something your senses can then once again perceive. Do you follow?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Thus consider that your synaptic sequential processes are that translation mechanism sending out energy at a very high frequency, imprinting consciousness with the experience you desire. There are times when there appears to be some lag because the translation process still has to fit in with all of the other constant, continual, consistent, incessant processing of reality creating that you do. You do it constantly, consistently, forever. It is not that sometimes you create and some other times you do not. You are always, always, always in creation mode. It never stops. It is inevitable and impossible to prevent it from happening. Do you follow so far?

MATT: Absolutely. I’m just taking it in.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus your own biological mechanisms and those processes involving synaptic sequencing have to take in all of the constant flow or stream of creation that you do and put it in a relevant manner, in a sequence that you can deal with physically. Some things may seem to take longer than others to appear in your physical reality. And do not think that all you need do then is concentrate on one thing and then not concentrate on anything else until that one thing appears. It is impossible to prevent yourselves from processing and transforming energy. You do it every second of the day, every nanosecond of the day. Even when you sleep, you are still creating, though your creations are slightly different in appearance. Do you follow?

MATT: Yes I do. I’m wondering, you know you’re talking about the synaptic responses and that’s something that happens in your brain right?

KRIS: The brain, the entire nervous system, and it does expand into your own energy fields. There are still other kinds of processes at those layers that are non-physical but they are still involved.

MATT: Are there things that you can do to improve the quality of those responses like, drink more water or physical things that you can do to improve that?

KRIS: Of course everyone would desire that we say have more sex.

MATT: All right, well I’ll put that on my list!

(Chuckles)

KRIS: However, yes there are certain things that you can do. Develop an ability to be very conscious of the contents of your awareness. That means pay attention, notice what kind of conversations you engage in yourself, what kind of dialogue you engage yourself, as often as possible because that is where all the programming, foundations, the blueprints are laid out for all of your upcoming experiences. If for instance someone converses with themselves in an extraordinarily negative, put-down, destructive manner, then it can be easy to predict that yes, everything will come as you lived it. You will simply get more of the same except you will also get it in three dimensional reality, not only within the context of your mind. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Yeah, so what you’re saying is that you are basically a computer programmer and whatever your concentration and your self-talk is the code that you are writing and you are creating the software of your life.

KRIS: Indeed. Everything you tell yourself, everything you feel about yourself, everything that you feel about others, every single inner subjective experience is one of the elements and ingredients. All of your thoughts, your feelings, your attitudes, your expectations etcetera, all of these and so much more. These are all part of the coding that goes into the program that you will run later on called your life. Now what is the time?

MARK: Quarter to eight.

KRIS: Then perhaps a very small pause would be in order.

MARK: Indeed.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. I’m Mark Bukator and we’ve been talking to Kris about “The Incredible Simplicity of Being” part two and how complex but not complicated it can be.

JOHN: Yes, yes and we’ve been getting some good questions via Matt from the Skypies, are you still there Matt?

(No answer)

MARK: Oops.

JOHN: Well maybe.

MARK: Hey Matt!

JOHN: Oh well so, yeah, moving right along.

MATT: Can hear me okay?

JOHN: Yeah, yeah! We gotcha, there you go.

MATT: Oh, I’m sorry about that, I was on mute there. I was just saying that I feel like my head is like bursting out of my skull. You know every time I listen to Kris, I just, you know my mind, I feel like it just expands and…

JOHN: I think he enjoys blowing our minds. You notice how he sometimes asks with a little smile, “oh and by the way, did that boggle your mind, kids?” (Laughing)

MATT: I think that’s what that smile is, I’ve been wondering what that smile is.

MARK: That’s the whole purpose, to widen awareness, to make you think outside the box.

JOHN: You know I think…

MATT: You know…

JOHN: Go ahead Matt.

MATT: I think that that’s a huge, huge advantage of being able to see these different programs that Kris does now on video, because you can get to see that “I’m blowing your mind” smile.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well if you think about, I’m just thinking this thought really for the first time, but if you’re thinking a thought that you’ve thought a hundred times before, then you’ve got a neurological pathways pretty well laid out for that thought, right? Now, if on the other hand, somebody says something to you and your mind just goes into “boing, boing, boing” and you can’t, you don’t, you don’t know how to think, you don’t know what to think.

MARK: You’re creating new pathways.

JOHN: Then you’re obviously creating new, at least you’re creating the potential of a new pathway.

MARK: And what a great feeling that is, it’s almost like ecstasy, you just…

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: …euphoric, I find. When you get those “A-ha’s” or even those…

JOHN: “Oh my god!”

MARK: Yeah, trying to picture infinity or imagine all that you cannot imagine.

JOHN: Well I think we should welcome Kris back.

KRIS: Indeed. Now it does not take very much to create a new neurological path, but it does take some practice to maintain it and to ingrain the pattern then into your behavior.

JOHN: Oh that’s interesting.

KRIS: Now there is also the possibility of losing it by not practicing. But the more you practice it, and the more you add, even slight variations on the pattern that you want, the more pathways you generate and sub-pathways you generate all along the same lines. It is like any talent – that is indeed exactly what it is. It is a talent. The more use this talent, then the more benefits you derive, the more expert you become at it, so many of you therefore have become very talented then, at creating undesirable situations, disagreeable events. Would you not agree?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Oh some people have raised that to an art form.

KRIS: Indeed. If you can therefore generate or create those kinds of situations, it stands to reason that you can create many others, even ones that you want, and this is in part one of the purposes of these discussions, to bring this to awareness in such a way that you can recognize that if there are events and situations in your life that you are no longer in agreement with, then you can make some change. You can actually do something about it and you can create a completely different outcome, one that is desirable, and that is the whole point. That is then the thrust of all of these discussions of last Thursday and this Thursday.

Begin by concentrating upon and living the outcome now. That will make a vastly different experience. If you already live the outcome today, live as if the outcome is now part of your life, part of your patterns, part of your pathways, part of your experience today, and then allow your inner self or subconscious mind or universe as you prefer to call it, to continue filling this space with what you expect or anticipate as outcome and more outcome, and more desirable outcome.

JOHN: That’s very, that’s very interesting Kris, considering as you were speaking, I was thinking about how we were taught to live our lives and it’s the exact opposite of that. We’re taught to look to the outside world for our inspiration and then to look inside us for the reaction to that? What you’re suggesting is that we look inside ourselves for our inspiration and then allow the outside world to respond.

KRIS: Indeed, and to reflect and confirm. You have actually been brought up to consider the worst possible outcome first and foremost. Then what can you expect as your living experience but the worst possible scenario. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Well it does make sense, yes. I was chatting with our mutual friend Myrna about this, and she’s said, just to amplify that, that when she was young, she was taught that by worrying about the worst possible outcome, that this was how she protected herself against it happening, and that if she didn’t do the proper amount of worrying, then it would happen. Now it turns out the exact opposite is the truth.

KRIS: And this would make a very interesting recipe, the worry recipe. Make certain that you utilize ample measuring cups of worry…

NICOLE: Wow.

KRIS: …and then add two more cups of worry and then an additional cup of worry for goodness sake.

JOHN: And one for the pot.

KRIS: Indeed. Throw it in the oven of your mind, bake it to infinity, simply to make certain that you have all the right kinds of worries in place, and what do you think you get?

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well then everything would be just fine for you and everybody.

MARK: I’m on a diet. Do you have anything worry free?

(Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed.

NICOLE: So Kris is that why you so highly talk about neuro-linguistic programming and NLP, and simply because by studying NLP, we are literally changing the synapses and changing the neurological pathways in our brains and therefore creating different experiences is that true?

KRIS: Indeed because you are utilizing your own innate abilities to create different or desirable outcome through these tools and processes.

NICOLE: Wow.

KRIS: There are many others, these are the most prominent. Your civilization, with some of these tools and others, is indeed walking towards the edge of the precipice, a precipice of awareness and consciousness. The question is, will you take the leap or will you run back?

JOHN: Or will we stick a toe in?

KRIS: And then pull it back. So in these terms, you are discovering that incredible… an incredibly powerful nature of your imagination. You had an observation?

MATT: Tom in New Jersey wanted to know then, “so does concentrating on simply being help us to achieve more inner peace?”

KRIS: It definitely can. One has to define what your being is. But it can definitely lead you to a very peaceful inner zone, and regardless of any teachings, eastern, western or otherwise, recognize that your desires, which are part of the outcomes are important. That is part of your being. You would not pretend to be able to run a marathon any faster if you cut your legs off because then you think it might remove some weight, would you not?

(Laughter)

KRIS: Utilize all of the propensities and the properties innate to your nature. You will find that this does assist you in creating the outcomes you desire. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:00!

KRIS: Then indeed, we thank all of you for your most agreeable and gentle consideration, and may all of your parts be utilized wisely and even frivolously in a creative and joyful manner. And we thank you in return Joseph to you now.

MARK: Do we have a topic for next week?

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: Not right now.

JOHN: No.

MARK: Okay. Thank you Kris.

NICOLE: Thank you Kris.

MATT: The mystery topic!

(Laughter)

MATT: Wow that was great, thanks Kris.

JOHN: Yeah that was fabulous.

MARK: So in closing, I just want to say that this coming Sunday is an International Session, Sunday evening, and I believe Sunday morning is CMI?

JOHN: CMI yeah.

SERGE: Yeah. Now it’s not guaranteed yet, no I won’t get into it.

(Mark’s laughing)

SERGE: I was gonna say it’s not guaranteed yet, there is a little possibility that it may also be…

MARK: On video.

SERGE: Live cast on Sunday, we can’t guarantee it yet, were doing some tests…

MARK: We have to do some more tests.

SERGE: …Friday night and sometime on Saturday, and if it works, then we’ll let everyone know. If it works, then there might be no need to use the telephone.

MARK: Right.

JOHN: Ooh!

SERGE: It could just be done on Skype, exactly like we did on Saturday.

MARK: So everybody concentrate on video.

MATT: Yeah, let’s have a joint concentration, everybody go to bed tonight thinking video.

JOHN: Happy, happy video.

SERGE: Good video, good video.

MARK: And don’t forget to sign up for the happiness project. So thanks Matt and Nicole.

MATT: Thanks for having us.

NICOLE: Thank you. Thanks to all the Skypies out there for all your fabulous questions.

MARK: Thanks.

MATT: Great Skypie questions, and next week, if anybody wants to be on part of the Skype group, just go to Skype.com and look for Matthew.Kolling from Cave Creek, Arizona, send me an “add request” and I would put you as part of the group, we would love to have you.

SERGE: And we want to thank Hugh Riley for thatradio for having us and thank you!

MARK: Goodnight everybody!

JOHN: Goodnight everybody!

MATT: Goodnight everybody!

NICOLE: Goodnight!

(Session ends)

The Secret Life of Thoughts

September 21, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Theresa Smart
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 21, 2007

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Jeanne, Theresa Smart, Jim & Mavis Haswell, Jan, Roshana, Sarah, others

SERGE: I want to thank our hosts very much for inviting us over here, and for Jeanne and everyone who has helped to make this evening not only a culinary delight but a very warm and welcoming experience. And also for inviting us to your wonderful province, it’s beautiful out here, giving us some food for thought [laughter]. Darn you Nova Scotians! [Laughs].

I’ve been doing what is nowadays called channeling for twenty-nine, thirty-odd years. And so it’s, I’ve been doing this for more than half of my life and it’s been a very interesting journey. It’s certainly showed me in many, many ways that the world and the way we normally interpret our experience of it may not necessarily be exactly what everyone tells us the world is all about. And I have a very strong feeling that the way I’m talking will become a part of Kris’ presentation. I’ve…, there is a correlation when that happens.

So the personality that speaks through me, I call Kris, K-R-I-S. And he’s very, well, we have to make a certain kind of understanding because many people, even those who may experience this for the first time, and I believe that there’s a number of you here who have never experienced or seen this kind of a phenomenon, have the idea because it’s supposedly ‘other worldly’, it’s very serious and … No, he’s got a wicked sense of humor [chuckles]. In fact he almost cracks himself up [laughs].

And the way he uses language, English of course, or French, is in a way that I don’t have any education in. His intelligence is actually pretty vast. He can speak on subject matters from everyday life and we’ve seen him talk for three hours non-stop with a physicist at the physicist’s level. You know, I opted out of math the minute it became an option in school, that’s all I know about it.

And yet he’s always got a warm sense of understanding for the human condition which is very, very nice, very nurturing. He has that very deep nurturing sense to his deliveries and material. And I think one of the most interesting things that I’ve experienced with all these years is that he helps people kind of understand where they’re at, who they are, and what it is that they’re experiencing, above and beyond just the ordinary sensory things that we have.

And over the years he’s assisted in transforming many, many people’s lives, Mark one of them, myself one of them, and many other people. And we’re not talking about just going from, say, feeling a little gloomy to feeling a little chipper, but radical life transformations. Very deep stuff. If, at some point later on in the evening, you know you want to inquire Mark’s experience, from that point of view it’s…. To this day some people still don’t believe that.

So that sense of nurturing that he provides is a wonderful energy and it actually is very deep heart energy. That’s the only kind of way I can express it. And people experience that in different ways as well, so I guess… And he’s also very interactive. He’ll often ask, you know, ask people if they have questions, or he’ll ask you guys questions as well. And you kind of have to keep an eye out, he can be a sneaky bugger [laughter], in the sense that, ah your thoughts are wandering and you’re thinking about, ah, the turkey you’re going to make for Thanksgiving and pumpkin pie later on, and then he’ll ask you, “Well what do you think about that?”. And you think, “Oh, oh my God”, you know? He’ll just catch you out of left field somewhere.

But for the most part, he usually presents something that you will ponder about for quite some time, even if you think it’s something you’ve heard about before. Don’t let that fool you. He has a way of using the words to take it to completely different levels and makes that stuff in between the ears work.

Ah, like I said, I’ve been doing this for twenty-nine or thirty years. It’s been definitely something I would not change for the world. And it’s enabled me to also meet other people who do similar things or just everyday individuals and that is also very, very warm. I’ve met people through doing these things, going to conferences and giving workshops and we end up becoming friends for a very, very long time, so all of you just be forewarned. I tend to keep friends for a long time, like you know twenty, thirty years, so. Anybody have any questions about what we’re going to do or things you’re curious about? Okay.

[Brief discussion about the microphone volume]

SERGE: Kris projects a lot. His voice can fill a room no matter how large the crowd. And sometimes when he gets very passionate in expressing a concept, he also produces what we’ve ended up calling his ‘rolling thunder’ voice. He introduces a vibrato in his voice and it literally bounces off the walls and it’s not something I…, I’ve tried, I cannot reproduce that, at the risk of blowing my own vocal chords [chuckles]. So, Kris’ voice is very strong. Anything else?

[A comment that is too quiet to hear]

SERGE: Ah, it doesn’t matter. No. Usually my glasses will come off, and that’s when Kris sort of comes in, I guess. And I go for a …, I think I’m just going to go for a nice walk in the Valley somewhere [this talk is being given in the Annapolis Valley] [laughter].

MARK: Take pictures. [Laughter]

[Pause]

KRIS: Now we thank you for your warm consideration. We also wish to thank our hosts and everyone involved in making this a reality. Now you have the time and the date and all of the little details you love?

MARK: [Chuckles] September 21, I can tell you that. 7:20.

KRIS: Indeed, then. Firstly we would like to compliment you [indicating to Roshana who had given a demonstration of voice healing chant] on your vocalizations. This of course is not the first time you’ve played with sound in this way. You would find it most evocative, to study, not Tibetan, but Mongolian throat singing. You have done that before – it is where the talent stems from.

The Mongols, or Mongolians, are actually a group of Tibetans that left Tibet many thousands of years ago, being of a different religious persuasion. An ancient Bon tradition from Tibet, the ancient aboriginal religious system, and established themselves in that part of the world where they are presently. So there are tie-ins with the Mongolian people which in themselves lead back to the Tibetans. So do take the opportunity to study up on that culture and specifically their throat singing.

ROSHANA: Thank you very much.

KRIS: That might open up other avenues for you. There are occasions when you feel what you might call a restriction in the lower part of the chest area, not the abdomen, the lower part of the chest area. That stems from a fatal wound by a spear when you were in that part of the world, and that can easily be released to intensify the experience you produce, by removing that old fear. There is no need to nurse it.

We would like to title our little presentation to you this evening, “The Secret Life of Thoughts”. And we trust that you will both enjoy it and that it will open for you, new doorways of understanding about the nature of your own thoughts, as well as the nature of the world or reality that you experience as a result of the thoughts that you entertain. Now we are quite certain that, as with many people, some of you likely believe that the physical world, what you call the objective reality, the world that exists out there perceived and examined by your physical senses, exists and has an existence quite separate from the person that you are. In fact, entire scientific systems are based upon that assumption. And your modern civilization reaps the rewards of that kind of philosophy or concept. And it has its consequences as well as its advantages.

But from a different point of view, the point of view of self, what you call your Self separate from your physical body, the individual that has the thoughts and the feelings, the emotions and the perceptions, that watches the passage of time; that individual which some of you call your inner self, your greater self, your Essence, actually has a very different kind of relationship with the whole of reality that very often never comes to conscious awareness until it is discussed. And in some people it brings about an apparent sense of outrage or sometimes indignation. How could anyone consider reality to be anything but objective, existing out there separate from the individual, as if somehow or other the individual has to journey a series of challenges to overcome what the physical world brings to the table. And then there are both very ancient teachings as well as very modern teachings that bring to the table a completely different perspective on this very same apparent objective or physical reality.

In almost all of the ancient teachings in your world, whether some of them have become the foundations for religions or otherwise is not as important as what these teachings contain. And modern teachings seem to have come full circle to demonstrate that what the ancients knew and understood is not that far-fetched, not filled with as many old wives’ tales as is often supposed with old teachings. That indeed the world that you experience is not what it seems to be. It has a secret life, a life so secret that it hides inside your thoughts, thus that your thoughts have a secret life that you may never have considered. And we hope that this little presentation this evening will bring you to a point of wondering, actually what is this ghostly old voice really saying here, and how does this actually apply to what any of you do, think, feel, experience and perceive?

And our further hope is that this may bring about a new paradigm in the manner in which you relate to yourself. Because it can and it will enable you to transform your experience of life from being someone who must suffer the actions of the world unto yourself, right to the other end of the spectrum, as to someone who can literally bend, form or mold consciousness to produce the experiences that you live. And the two are very different mindsets. The latter puts you in the position of being the creator or originator of your experiences. The former puts you in the position of being one who must endure and go through varieties of experiences where you hope you make the best of what you live through according to your abilities and understandings, and hopefully you come out of it with a little more wisdom. The latter presupposes that you already have a very good idea of what you want out of life and you project those perceptions onto consciousness to form or mold or create those experiences necessary to get to the outcome, to get what you want out of this experience you call life. And we are not merely presenting to you some New Age hocus pocus.

In fact ourselves and others like ourselves have been presenting this in a variety of ways for hundreds of years, something your quantum physicists have been discovering only for the last seventy-five to one hundred years. And this still puzzles them. Now if only they, these quantum physicists, would speak to ourselves or others, we could clarify all of their confusion, very nicely too.

What this all means is that you have a power or ability within yourselves, that you have already been utilizing even before your birth, to create for yourselves a set of experiences that gives you outcome. And this power or ability is usually utilized to a minimum for a variety of reasons. But if you become aware that you have this ability and utilize it consciously then we would say that this is very similar to when you are fine-tuning the radio receiver. And most of you, if you travel over distances, especially in the evening on long boring highways, wanting to listen to a radio station so that it keeps you from being too bored, probably remember tuning that radio dial, going from station to station, hearing the strange bleeps, glops and other things. And then you fine tune it some more until eventually you are right on the signal and it brings the station in clear as a bell. Does that sound familiar to some of you?

We would then say that making conscious use of this very same ability, fine tunes that reception; brings that power into focus. A different kind of focus than the one you are used to. And when that happens, life begins to make much more sense than you might ever have considered before, because it indicates then that life is not something that happens to you and you must do with it as best you can, but that instead you make life happen. That does make a marked difference in the manner in which your experience of that life enriches you and does not embitter you. How many of you have tackled a problem, a challenge of some kind, head on? You grab that problem. You bite into it like a pit bull. You do not let go until you have shaken the very life out of that problem, and somehow or other you anticipate that the more you squeeze it, the more it will give up the solution. Does that ring any bells with you? [Laughter]
When you take on these kinds of problems or challenges in this way, you become very focused, almost to the exclusion of everything else. Does that also sound familiar? Sometimes even to the exclusion of the solution itself. So adamant are you on finding the solution, that when the solution shows up you may very well tell it, “Get lost, I am looking for the solution. Don’t show up in my face!” The point is that you utilize this creative ability even then, by becoming extremely focused. You literally narrow your consciousness to become, sometimes obsessively, fixated on this problem or challenge as if you have it right here in front of your mind and you are not going to let go until somehow or other it gives up the solution that is inside it somewhere.

By becoming extremely focused upon the problem you create a secondary problem; that is, being so focused you cannot notice the solution that is also present, there for you to take advantage of it. And this involves a very physical action on your part. When you concentrate on something, say you are concentrating on an object in this room. And you look at it, you observe it, you can look at it to the point where everything else seems to go out of focus except, say, that tall candle in the corner. Does that make sense to you? You can also take any other example in your own life and notice that it may very likely apply there as well, whether it is a physical object, an emotional object, a psychological object – it applies to all.

There is a very simple, interesting technique that can, for the most part, help or assist you in breaking that concentration or focus in such a manner that the solution can have the opportunity to show up in your life. Would you like to try this?

GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. It will require that you find something to focus upon in the room – anything. It could be an object on the table, an object on the mantelpiece, anything in the room. And what we would like you to do, after a few moments of focusing intensely upon this object, is very nicely bring your two index fingers right in between you and the object [Kris brings both hands up to his face in a fist position with index fingers pointing up]. Not focusing on your fingers, but on the object, as if somehow or other your fingers are translucent. Do you follow? And then as you continue focusing on the object, begin to pull your fingers apart allowing your eyes to begin to follow each finger. At one point you will see three fingers and as you keep pulling them apart, keep pulling them apart ever so nicely and gently, right to the very outer edge of your peripheral vision. And continue doing so just to the point where your fingertips seem to disappear and bring them ever so lightly back so that they are still in the field of your peripheral vision. And notice what happens to your consciousness at that moment. So you are all ready to try this little experiment? Indeed.

Find an object to focus upon. Focus upon it strongly, intensely. Imagine even that it is perhaps a problem you might still be dealing with in your life right now. Keep focusing on that object until it seems to you that everything else in the room becomes ghostly in itself. Keep focusing on it very strongly. You can blink if you like, but keep focusing on that object. And as you keep focusing upon it now, gently bring your two index fingers between yourself and the object but keep focusing on the object as if you can see right through your fingers and then slowly, slowly pull the fingers apart. Notice when you get three fingers. And then gently pull apart. You might see four fingers and then it settles again. Keep gently pulling them apart, pulling them apart, reaching out to the very edges of your peripheral vision. Keep going, and as soon as your fingers start to disappear, bring them back. Hold it there for just a moment. Now, go a little further and spread them further apart. Allow your eyes to pretend that you can still see those fingers. Keep stretching, keep stretching. Now gently bring them back and put your fingers and your hands in your lap.

How does that feel for you?

FEMALE: I don’t think I feel that difference in consciousness that you talked about.

KRIS: That is fine. You may have to try it a few times, especially if you have a situation that is right before you. The point of this is that it allows you to break the hold or the focus on your problem or challenge. And by doing this you provide the opportunity for the solution. It may not necessarily show up on the spot but it will have disengaged your concentration from the challenge long enough to bring about an altered state and thus bring in the possibilities that the solution has already been present but you could not see it because you were too focused upon what was before you. Does that make sense to you?

You can also utilize this any time you feel perhaps distressed, agitated, unnerved by any situation. This will, again, break the focus that is apparently causing some disturbance within you and bring in a nice soothing frame of mind. It is a simple method. It is practiced in the Huna system from Hawaii specifically to bring in a gentle and nurturing state of awareness. But it does something else and that is, that by breaking the hold upon your concentration upon problems or challenges and bringing in the opportunity to find the solution much more easily, can give you insights into the functioning of your own thoughts and thought processes. Quite specifically, help demonstrate to you that you get what you concentrate upon, in very simple, plain language. And by breaking the focus of what you are concentrating upon, you actually enable the solution to show up, because the intent is to widen awareness sufficiently to bring in solutions.

That means in a very simple fashion, very simple manner, that the way you process thoughts on a daily basis gives you a living experience that matches the nature and energies of your thoughts. In other ways, literally it means that in order to have any experience in life, you must create the situation first. And in yet other words, if you see, examine or interact with a situation that is you that is creating the situation to interact with.

Now this has some very profound implications, especially in those terms where you have a need to recognize exactly how potent and creative your own thought energies are. All you need to do then is to recognize that the nature of your own thought processes instigates consciousness to fit the model that you are experiencing inside your awareness. That which exists within you, thus, is projected outwardly as the experience of your life. It is an excellent and even incredible feedback system, that the whole of physical reality, the entirety of the physical world exists to confirm what you live within you. That also has very profound implications, because if there are aspects of life that you discover are not to your liking, they are not your preference, then you have the means to do something about it. You are not bereft of solutions or answers or tools or resources, that they exist in the same place that the original situation came from – in your awareness, in your consciousness.

And these simple approaches can give you sufficient knowledge, tempered with the wisdom of your inner resources to transform any aspect of your life you recognize is not to your preference. So in very basic words, you could easily say that your thoughts create your life. We include in that category of thoughts, all your emotions, your feeling-tones, your perceptions, any and every aspect of your inner subjective experience, most of which cannot be sliced, diced, dissected and examined underneath the microscope. But that can be measured in other ways, measured in a bigger laboratory – the laboratory of consciousness itself.

In so many words, your thoughts and everything pertaining to them are the filtering lenses of all of your inner energies through which you then concentrate your energies. You focus them to mold consciousness, to appear as the events, conditions and situations of your daily life.

And if you have but a few minutes during the day, you can even begin putting this into practice in a very simple fashion. Awaken with the very idea that today you intend only to focus upon those experiences that bring you joy, contentment and fulfillment. And project throughout the day this concept. Pretend that by the time noon comes around, by the time 6 o’clock comes around, by the time 9 o’clock comes around, you will have landmark joyous, fulfilling experiences and nothing else. Concentrate on bringing that into actuality.

And if you wish to be scientists of consciousness you may even begin tracking them in a little book and see how your experimentation with consciousness is producing results.

How many times have you asked someone what they want out of life and they give you a very long list of all the things they do not want? And then ask them what they get out of life and they will keep telling you everything they do not want seems to be what they get. And then ask someone, though you might have to find this someone, find someone who knows what they want out of life and they may even then tell you that their life is what they want, in exactly those terms. And then see where you fit in and what is your life like. Is it perhaps a series of what you do not want? Do you keep getting out of life all the things you do not want? And if that is so, then begin to experiment. Change that track, that mental habit and begin to examine, even in small doses, what you do want out of life. And based upon that formula begin to expect that what you want out of life is what is going to show up in your life, a very simple approach, but one that can function and give you the initial keys that already exist within your consciousness, to keep transforming your life in a direction that you desire.

And another important key ingredient, as you begin to study the processes of your thoughts in this way, is to pay attention, to notice, specifically what you tell yourself on a daily basis. Some refer to it as inner dialog, inner conversations. We often refer to it as ‘mind monkeys’, because the mind, like a monkey, never sits still, never shuts up, always wanting the next cookie. And it keeps on and on. Some people even mention that their thoughts go on to such a degree they can’t hear themselves thinking. By noticing or paying attention to what you tell yourself almost day in and day out, you can very nicely make predictions about what kind of experiences you will encounter in the next few days, weeks, months and years, based upon the mental chatter you engage. Does that make sense to you?

Based upon that small kind of experimentation, noticing what kind of dialog you engage during the days and the nights of your life, you can begin to make changes at that level. How many of you, as you were growing up, were told an abundance of wonderful things about yourselves?

[Group murmurs and chuckles].

Obviously not many. Do any of you have recollections of hearing at least a few wonderful things about yourselves when you were growing up; that you were good children, that you were smart, you were intelligent? [A few people acknowledge agreement].

If you had a magical ability, say that you can pretend for a few minutes that you are all like Harry Potter or some other great magician, and you can copy those nice things that you were told about yourself as children. And then you can copy them dozens, hundreds and thousands of times, until the echoes of these wonderful things fills up the whole of your inner space. That all of your inner dimensions, all of your inner or subjective states was filled to overflowing with wonderful qualities and traits of being smart and intelligent and capable and resourceful, lovely caring children, and so on and so forth. And you filled up your inner mind with these wonderful characteristics. Do you think it would make a difference in your life?

GROUP: Absolutely, yes.

KRIS: What kind of difference do you think it would make in your life? Any ideas?

THERESA: It would make you more confident.

KRIS: Indeed, any other ideas?

MAVIS: More trusting?

KRIS: Indeed.

FEMALE: Less afraid.

KRIS: Meaning more …?

FEMALE: Trusting.

KRIS: Both of yourself and the world. And what would your experience of life today feel like?

FEMALE: More joyful, more meaningful.

KRIS: Any other ideas?

FEMALE: You’d feel good about yourself.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you think that you’d be prone towards creating more of that, if you felt good about yourself? That would be very fulfilling would it not? Indeed, do you all agree?

GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. So that would mean that you all have a very good idea of how that feels, to have more fulfillment in your life. Correct?

GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: Even if, there might be an apparent gap in your life on that subject matter, you know how it would feel. Thus, you can take this idea of knowing how it would feel as an outcome that you project for the upcoming days and weeks of your experience. That you can base your concentrations, your focusing of what outcomes you want out of life – more fulfillment – and draw that into your experience over the next few days, weeks and months. Does that sound like a viable project that you might like to fiddle with?

GROUP: Definitely.

KRIS: Indeed. Then in a humble manner we throw this to you as your homework, your challenge. Since you have an idea of what that would feel in your life, then the concept exists within you to build upon it. This is our humble challenge to each and every one of you. To bring in more fulfillment to match the outcome you have within yourself.

That will require one simple thing on your part – concentration in the same manner that you can concentrate or bite into a challenge or a problem or an annoyance, and not let go until you get the solution. The little exercise we shared with you earlier, about breaking the concentration upon especially what you would simply call negative or unfulfilling challenges and problems, opening that awareness away from problem towards solution can also work the other way. You have a solution. You have an outcome, bring it into your concentration and utilize that as a means to meditate a very simple manner. And it will bring about the state of mind and more importantly a state of heart that is necessary. Because none of you really do anything, even when you do something that might be considered disadvantageous to yourself, none of you engage that process simply out of your mind, but you also do it out of the deep heartfelt conviction that you have the abilities to see this through, correct?

By bringing in what some people can simply refer to as heart energy, you can dramatically increase the results or the outcomes and at the same time significantly augment your innate abilities to move towards the fulfillment you desire, for the simple fact that there are two basic energy fields within your body. There is the one generated by connective tissue, what is also called fascia. You are familiar with connective tissue? It is that organ that connects all the other organs and every tissue in your body through the connective tissue.

Now interestingly enough, the connective tissue’s molecular structure is extremely similar to that of quartz crystal, though fortunately for you, not as rigid. This gives you an advantage. This basically turns your physical body into a quantum biological device. Quartz crystal is utilized to send and receive. The molecular structure of your connective tissue enables you then to become a living biological quantum sending and receiving device.

That implies what we suggested earlier; your thoughts and all the factors pertaining to the umbrella of thoughts – your feeling tones, emotions, perceptions, images, what you hear in your thoughts, all the sub-modalities of thoughts – this, your quantum biological device, takes information, not so much from the outside world, but from the inside world. From the images, the feeling tones, the impressions, the perceptions that you create within your inner world. And it sends out signals literally that tell consciousness what you want to experience. Consciousness obliges, it forms itself into the events, conditions and circumstances you experience as so-called objective reality, which makes it not so objective any more but entirely a subjective experience. It changes the equation.

That means that if you want more of what makes you happy, what pleases you, fulfills you, then all you need do basically is to alter the signals you send to your quantum biological device, your sending machinery. Does that make sense to you?

FEMALE: May I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

FEMALE: What if your fascia is damaged?

KRIS: It is not relevant. The fascia or connective tissue is throughout your entire body. One aspect of it being damaged will not affect the rest. You can even utilize the rest to repair the damaged area. Depending upon the images, the tones, feelings, and subjective experiences you concentrate upon, this sends out signals. It forms, then, the world you will experience tomorrow or the day after or the day after. Thus, this sends out the energy signals, and consciousness then forms itself to what you expect. So it is to your advantage, then, to expect fulfilling situations. Does that make sense to you?

GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: And this is where heart energy comes into. The heart tissue itself has a similar yet slightly different resonant molecular structure. They work hand in hand. It brings balance and harmony into your individual lives. The heart energy can be concentrated upon and even increased as literally an energetic pump with a field that can extend several feet away from your physical body. And that can be measured not only through scientific means and all of the wonderful scientific gizmos that exist in the laboratory. Some of you may even be able to test it with those… what do you call these rods?

FEMALE: Divining rods?

KRIS: Divining rods made out of clothes hangars – you know the kind. You can measure the field. You also do not need those devices. You can experience the field through your own field, from someone else, for instance. All you need do is simply allow yourself to concentrate on all of the heartfelt sense energy that you can muster up. Perhaps even consider that this energetic field that exists in and around the heart tissue, can be expanded like a balloon. We are certain that at least some of you have blown up some balloons before. In this kind of activity you do not have to wind yourselves out. You can simply allow your breathing to begin expanding the field. Perhaps you might even feel it expanding, experience it reaching out beyond the boundaries of your body, even to fill up an entire room, as if you are encased in a bubble of that heartfelt energy.

This acts as a tremendous amplifier to fulfillment and contentment. It also sends to the brain or triggers the release of all kinds of peptides and chemicals that make you feel wonderful. Serotonin levels will rise. Everything that makes you feel wonderful about yourself will also be triggered within the brain by the amplification of the heart field energy. Would you like to try this? Of course we understand if you do not want to feel good [group laughter]. That is quite fine. We will respect that. If you are willing, it requires that you find a comfortable sitting position. You are comfortable? [Addressing one individual] Would you like a small pillow in your back?

ANSWER: No that’s fine.

KRIS: Indeed then. Perhaps this little exercise will assist. Now all that is necessary for this is to find a relaxing posture and if possible have your back as straight as can be while still relaxed, then just notice your breathing. Pay attention to your lungs expanding as you breathe in and then your lungs contracting as they expel. Just bring your awareness more and more towards your breathing. And as you do so, allow yourself perhaps even to pretend that you can actually feel your heart as it beats inside your chest. And as you breathe very nicely in this relaxed fashion, your heart will beat slower and stronger. And as the heart beats strongly but gently in this way, allow yourself to expand the energy that you associate with the heart. Perhaps you associate it with goodness, gentleness, caring, nurturing, loving, healing and continue focusing on all those qualities you assign to the heart and allow that energy to begin expanding beyond the confines of the heart itself; as the energy of the heart is much bigger than the heart itself. As you continue breathing, pretend or imagine that the energy field also expands and contracts as if it oscillates in an expanding and contracting fashion and the more you concentrate upon it the wider and larger it gets and as it does so you may even allow yourself to begin feeling more and more relaxed. The muscles in the back, in the shoulders, in the chest become relaxed as they become bathed in that loving energy. And as the muscles become relaxed, they can release. You can allow the release of old issues, old baggage, old emotions that are often locked, buried in the body. And the heart energy continues to grow until it begins to expand beyond your body. Until it continues to grow, beginning to fill this room and since there are many of you in this room, you might begin to feel the heart energy of the others in this room in some way, perhaps like a gentle caress, a gentle whisper, a soothing energy. Notice how good you feel as the heart field energy continues to expand surrounding you completely now, surrounding everyone in the room, all the heartbeats beating in unison, in oneness, breathing in oneness, healing in oneness. And gently allow yourself to once again become conscious of your body, allowing the heart energy to begin becoming slightly smaller and smaller, back into your body, becoming aware of the sensations in your body now. And on the count of three you will return completely to your own self. One. Take a deep breath now, allowing all sensations to return to your body. Two. And three. Open your eyes. Be fully focused and conscious in this room. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:20

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break where you can feel good even more.

MARK: Thank you.
(Return from break at 8:45 PM.)

KRIS: Now earlier on we also addressed that thoughts have a secret life, almost separate and yet at the same time intimately connected to you. Have you ever wondered where your thoughts come from? Or have you just assumed that, there they are, thoughts; and like all good thoughts they simply…, or sometimes not to your liking, but they still appear in your awareness. Thus it would be most interesting for you to examine what your thoughts do. Where do they come from? Where do they go once you do not pay attention to them? Are they like the cat you let out [group chuckles]; go into your flower gardens? Are thoughts like foreign tourists coming into your country, your land, your awareness? And what do these thoughts eat? All very fine questions for you to ponder.

And it will definitely propel you into a deeper state of awareness to track these ethereal creatures you call thoughts because they are made up of many things. And what are they before they show up in your awareness in a form that you call thoughts? Where do they exist? If they are, in this analogy, as being foreign tourists, then they must come from somewhere, would they not? They must eat something, they have cultures, and in a way they do, though not as literally as in the analogy. What are thoughts before they become your thoughts? That is an even more interesting question. And how do these thoughts become your thoughts? How are they – these energies – configured into becoming your thoughts, the things that you ponder in your mind before you decide to move on and let them proceed with their journey, perhaps to become someone else’s thoughts or energies? But most important of all is that once they are captured by and in your awareness, how do thoughts assist you in creating your reality?

Do you recall the earlier analogy of the radio receiver and tuning device? Thus utilizing this simple principle it can be said that your state [of] awareness is like fine tuning that receiving dial on the radio. It draws the signal in very clearly. It is not 92.4 or 92.6, but 92.5 on the dial. That kind of state of awareness draws in similar energies to the ones you concentrate upon.

You have all heard the expression, ‘birds of a feather, stick together’. Thoughts and thought energy congregate to that which is similar to their own, in exactly the same way human beings also congregate towards those other people that share similar ideas and views, whether religious, spiritual, political or otherwise; because that aspect of consciousness resonates and is drawn in by the state of your awareness.

Earlier we suggested experimenting with concentrating on thoughts or states of mind that bring you joy, fulfillment, etcetera, do you remember? What do you think would happen if you actually do begin to find that happiness or joy station on your receiving device?

MAVIS: You would have more of the same?

KRIS: Indeed, now that can be a good thing or not so good, depending on your preference. If you do not like to be joyous or happy, then it might not be your cup of tea. But we are convinced that that may only be the case in one or two individuals on the planet [group laughter].

Thus if you take the time to bring into your mind, into your concentration, into your field of vision those kinds of thoughts and thought patterns that elevate you, that enlighten you, that support you, that uplift your mood, that give you joy and happiness and fulfillment, what can you expect? More of the same.

Now you are entirely free to change you mind and focus on something else if you’ve had enough of this joy and happiness in your life, but we suspect that you might be somewhat addicted to those kinds of states of mind. And you need not fear, it will not interfere with all of the things you need to get done through life, but it will at least add those deeper, more meaningful dimensions that bring you more fulfillment, and will literally transform existence from the inside out. We suggested earlier that physical reality, that which you call separate, objective reality, in actuality is the perfect feedback mechanism. It is the confirmation of the kinds of states of awareness that you entertain. Notice what the day is like when you are in one of those moods. And it will feel to you as if the world is causing that mood within you, does it not?

GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: And yet we can tell you that you are the causing of the events that are simply reflected to show you where your state of awareness is parked. Once you can take conscious awareness of what is happening you have an immediate advantage that you can then begin concentrating on something that is uplifting to you, that makes you feel good, wonderful and fulfilled. And you will find very quickly, consciousness reorganizes the entirety of reality to confirm what you are feeling inside first.

And if you want to know where the state of your awareness is, where it is parked if you are uncertain, look at what is happening in your world. If you read the newspapers, what kind of articles are you reading, what are you drawn to? If you watch television and especially the news, what is your state of awareness? What is happening in life, apparently outside of you? That will give you a good indication of the state of your awareness because it will confirm where you are at. And again, if you wish to transform that, change the direction of your focus. We showed you this [gestures the finger exercise done earlier]. You can do this. You can do very many other things. You can activate the heart field energy. You can simply go and do something else, something you enjoy doing. And as soon as you release your hold upon the previous state and allow something you prefer to occupy your awareness, it will very rapidly align with your present state of awareness. Does that make sense to you?

Now we are not throwing some kind of hocus pocus at you. All of what we have said, you can experiment with in one way or another until you find what works for you and you can confirm for yourself, not what we have said, but what you are doing. We do not ask any of you to believe us blindly or in any other way, but test it for yourself. Take a few moments during the day to focus on what you prefer and see where it takes you. That will allow you to find the secret life of your thoughts, what your thoughts are doing.

Now we know your thoughts are not doing anything behind your back. What we also know, that you can change your thoughts, thus changing your life. Because when you explore this subject matter, then your thoughts and the power behind them are no longer secrets. They are the tools that you utilize to carve or mold consciousness to your inner experience in exactly the same way that Michelangelo would have used a chisel and hammer to carve his ‘David’ or ‘La Pieta’ out of marble. Does that make sense to you? So that would define you all as great artists.

Because you have already been practicing this from before your birth, but now you may have a little more awareness of how to use that chisel and hammer. And instead of carving out more of what you do not want out of life, you can put the ‘do not want’ chisel and hammer aside and pick up the ‘want’ chisel and hammer and use it to your fulfillment. Does that make sense to you?

GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?

MARK: It would be five to nine.

KRIS: Indeed. Then perhaps we can have some lovely exchanges with you, answering some of your questions perhaps? If any of you have questions.

JEANNE: I have a question. First I would like to thank you for the heart feeling that I had in Toronto in June. It was much appreciated. And then my question is, I have some sort of a dilemma about going with the flow and yet we need preparation and planning. So could you kind of address that?

KRIS: Indeed. Being practical does not mean you have to put spontaneity on the side. And spontaneity does not have to be a side dish to life. You will find that for all intents and purposes, the two actually are complementary. You are aware of all the things that you need to do, when you need to do them and how you need to do them. And you can also suggest to your lovely subconscious mind, what you call your Inner Self, to also organize it or make it so that when you are filled with a spontaneous impulse to be creative in one way or another, however you define that, that somehow or other reality confirms that you are capable of doing this without any conflict whatsoever.

Usually the conflicts stem from what you may call the rational, intellectual aspect of life, compared to the apparent disorderly aspects of an imaginative, creative, emotional type of life. So there is often explained in your societies that there is conflict, there is a combat. And yet, if truth be known, your incredible intellectual and rational properties in themselves could not survive without the support of the imagination and the emotions. It is what gives the intellect and the rational mind the juice of life. It is the battery. Without the battery the car does not go. Does that make sense to you?

And even when there is apparent conflict, at the subconscious level they are perfectly married; interdependent, one upon the other, giving each other substance, form and power. Once you can understand how that kind of marriage works, then it triggers what we refer to as the higher intellect that creates a state of awareness where there is no conflict between duality/non-duality, intellect/emotions, imagination/rationality. It works in unison. If you have a four-piston engine and one conks out it will not function or very poorly and the same can be said to apply if one is insistent that there is or must be that kind of a conflict.

If you change your mind, and that is the nice quality of the mind, it is not only something women own. Every human being has the potential to change their mind. It is one of the nicest qualities and you are most fortunate indeed that you can change your minds. You can easily imagine what kind of a pickle you would all be in if you could not change your mind from one day to the next. Your wardrobes would all be the same [group laughter].

Thus, once you can suggest to your lovely self that all aspects can function properly, they will. You will no longer be hassled nor need to hassle yourself on those issues.

JEANNE: Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries?

SARAH: Yes. I understand, I think what you’re saying, but there are things in life that are not… that happen. Like death.

KRIS: Indeed.

SARAH: That are not … sometimes they can be a relief but they are not necessarily joyful.

KRIS: That is also correct.

SARAH: And I think that would you, sort of, fit those emotions, I guess, true emotional things that you learn from, in those things.

KRIS: Indeed. Now there are…

SARAH: Can you put those in perspective with what you’re [words muffled by cough].

KRIS: Indeed. There are various cultures on your planet that have different perspectives on that very subject matter. For some, death is seen as a transition, as actually a part of the life cycle itself. There are other cultures who see death as the nemesis, as the ultimate thief. It robs you of life, and therefore must somehow or other be defended, fought against. Science sometimes gives the impression that it has an arsenal of weapons that can prevent aging and dying. Unfortunately since dying or death is part of the life cycle, science will never be able to obliterate it. And that will in many ways prove very difficult to deal with.

And it is not that death and dying is the problem but the attitudes about it can be extremely challenging when one figures that throughout your whole life, especially in your present culture, you are told that once you die, that’s it. Everything ends. Do you follow so far? Especially when your educational system exists in such a manner that all knowledge of your subjective existence is considered either relegated to the domain of philosophies and religions or to the domain of mad people. That puts a specific emphasis on trying to maintain the duration of the ego’s perceptions of life at optimum levels as long as possible. And, if you can find a magic pill or bullet that will instantly repel death then your culture assumes it has won over life. Does that make sense to you?

And again, it is not death that is the bad thing, but the attitudes are extremely narrow and limiting, causing undue stress. Some individuals will actually fight to their last breath, unable to resist the body giving up the last breath. The body can function under incredible conditions, but when the individual has made a decision to vacate said body in one way or another, then nothing can resist the will of that individual to leave. Does that make sense so far?

If you could understand the deeper processes of the living, you would not be afraid of nor fight the entire concept of the life cycle, which must include death. From our perspective your bodies are actually borrowed from the very fabric, the cloth of life; be that dirt, tissue from countless millions of other life forms whom have already given up their lives so that their tissue can be rewoven, re-energized into the bodies that you now have. So you share an intimate connection with an incredible amount of life forms, all within the little bodies that you have. Some of the cells in your body may come from worms, others from spiders, others from apples, others from the air that you breathe, the dust from the stars and so on and so forth. These all make up the incredible tapestry of the body that you have, with all of the different systems and organs and the energies implied within, that is used as the vehicle by the individual to create the mechanism that allows the actions of consciousness to take hold into your reality, such as we described earlier.

The individual uses the quantum biological device to experiment with concepts, be they concepts of poverty, richness, health, illness and so on. And when that individual has decided that he or she no longer wishes to partake of that experiment but wishes something entirely different, then according to the beliefs of your customs and societies and cultures and civilization, then death will occur in one of many different ways. Whether what you call natural death, natural cause of death, illnesses, accidents, and so on. That also has to tie in with the beliefs entertained within the culture and the individual.

But ultimately, once the quantum biological devices functions are deemed no longer required then the stuff of the body is returned to energy, so that the individual may enter another, you can call it a sphere or state of being and pursue his or her adventures somewhere else in another kind of time/space continuum. Does that make sense to you?

All of your processes are actually very beautiful but you may not necessarily perceive them as such simply because of all the beliefs you have acquired over a lifetime – this lifetime or other lifetimes, concerning what it may mean to be human. Some religions for instance, may even impart unto their believers that the very fact that you have a physical human life is sinful, is an abomination. Therefore they will indeed procure you with all sorts of rituals and penances to purify that state in the hopes of alleviating your great sin. We will speak more of this tomorrow at our presentation and hopefully provide the means to open the awareness sufficiently to extract the sore tooth as it were.

So for all intents and purposes, whether death or living, you have before you the opportunities for incredible adventures. And speaking from what you may call the dead side of things, all of you could use a little more living [group laughter]. We have always said and we have always found it most interesting indeed that very often the living consult the dead to find out how to live [more group laughter].

We hope that gives you something to think about.

SARAH: Thanks.

KRIS: Indeed.

JAN: I’ve been listening to, and I live a lot of what you’ve been saying tonight, and I love my life and I’m very happy, and I believe that, you know, I create my own reality…

KRIS: Indeed. And it is nice to know that you are not crazy.

JAN: Well, that comes to my next question [group laughter].

KRIS: Unfortunately we are not doctors. We cannot confirm or disconfirm anything.

JAN: I work with people who have psychotic illnesses.

KRIS: Indeed.

JAN: Who suffer severe persistent mental illnesses, and I have a real hard time figuring out where that fits in …

KRIS: They too, are creating the reality that they experience. They may be seeking outcome that you do not quite grasp because it may be foreign to your views of life. They may, to all conventions, appear on the fringe. But from their own perspective they might simply be experimenting with unknown types of thought pattern configurations and emotional states. Some can be in genuine distress. Many a time you will find some of these individuals have adopted those states of mind to escape from other states of mind they find even more unpleasant having suppressed and buried trauma. They can be assisted, first and foremost, by considering, considering them as valued and loving people. That must come from heart energy.

There was an experiment done with a new doctor at a psychiatric hospital who decided that the files from previous doctors did not reflect what they could have. So he decided to do something very non-conventional. Every day he would hold one file to his chest and pray, not for healing, but pray that the individual would find his or her own balance, whatever that meant to the individual. And he soon found that within a few years time he had less and less and less patients. Not because they died, but they would become what you consider, well, and functional within the social system without any known medical explanation for what occurred, except he knew and wrote about this later. It was a very irrational kind of process that he engaged but the results did prove one thing – that each of these patients knew what they were doing, and on top of that, allowing them to be themselves from his perspective was the greatest healing that anyone could have offered. Does that make sense to you? Now the question is where is the patient and where is the doctor?

JAN: I often hope that… no that’s not right. I often rationalize mental illness, thinking that they’re either being punished for being psychiatrists in a past life or that they’re going to be better psychiatrists in the next life [group laughter].

KRIS: What can we say, obviously you don’t know psychiatrists! [More group laughter].

JAN: Or too many of them.

KRIS: All in all, each of these individuals actually has a full understanding at those deeper subjective levels.

JAN: And one of the things I struggle with, I think Jeanne and I talked about this, is what’s the difference between, like, the lady who has horrible negative voices in her head every day, and this wonderful gentleman who, who’s voices are loving and supportive, and you know he’s just very connected and, same illness, same medication…

KRIS: Then next time you speak to the lady who hears all these nasty little voices, ask her why she focuses on those and not the ones that would be more pleasant.

JAN: I don’t think she hears a lot of pleasant voices.

KRIS: They are there. Every time you focus on one thing, you also focus on not noticing everything else. The ultimate decision rests with her, whether she wishes to focus on those voices or not. Does she watch tele [television]?

JAN: Not much.

KRIS: If she does, notice if she changes the channel when she does not like what she sees.

JAN: I don’t think she watches…

KRIS: That is fine. One way or another, even in your own mind, picture her as discovering that she has a choice. That is ultimately what is behind most of these situations. The individual abdicates their ability to choose, so picturing her in your mind as suddenly discovering that she has at least one or two or more choices as to what she can do with her ability to concentrate. Your body will communicate to her body. Your awareness will communicate to her awareness. Now whether she flips that switch on or not is her decision. But you can offer that. Indeed, are there any other inquiries?

ROSHANA: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ROSHANA: About… I’d like to think that there is sort of a divine wisdom, sometimes that’s guiding my life.

KRIS: And indeed, there is.

ROSHANA: So, then when we’re creating our own life I’m just wondering about how we allow that to have its place if we’re doing all this focusing ourselves. How to…

KRIS: Indeed, very good question. And we would say that you are the divine wisdom that whispers to yourself the things you need to hear.

ROSHANA: So is it then taking time to hear that divine wisdom and…

KRIS: Indeed. That is what we suggested earlier when you are focusing on the problems. Sometimes with such ferocious intensity that when the solution shows up, you say, “Get away, I’m busy”. So consider that you are the divine power within yourself that motivates and fuels your existence. You take that energy, you transform it into the life that you have. You always have choices, [with emphasis] you always have choices. It is impossible to not have a choice, in all situations.

ROSHANA: Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Listen, and then sing [Roshana performed some healing singing earlier]. Any other inquiries? What is the time?

MARK: It is 9:20.

KRIS: Indeed then, since you have no more questions, we thank you for your wonderful and warm welcoming consideration. We thank our hosts and everyone involved in creating this opportunity. And do keep in mind you always have a choice, and that is your liberation. And we thank you all.

GROUP: Thank you.

MARK: 9:20

JEANNE: [to Serge] How was your walk? [Group laughter]

SERGE: Beautiful moonshine out there!

[End of audio]

Kris Radio: The Incredible Simplicity of BEING – Part 1

September 20, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 20, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com, my name is Mark Bukator and I’m your co-host this evening as usual and I am here with…

JOHN: Thank you Mark, (in the background: my having here okay on number 5?) not too bad (John’s voice got louder) oh, that feels better. Yeah, thank you Mark. I’m used to a little feedback, ha, ha, ha! And it’s a lovely, lovely evening here in Toronto, and we are graced as always by the luminous presence of our dear friend…

SERGE: I don’t know but I like to meet him, and this is Serge.

(Laughter)

MARK: So here we are once again on a Thursday evening and we have a topic once again, the last topic, known topic…

JOHN: Yes.

SERGE: The last known topic to mankind! (chuckling)

MARK: To mankind… hopefully we’ll be given the next series of topics, “The Incredible Simplicity of Being.”

JOHN: I don’t know. That sounds like it could be a short show.

MARK: It could be complicated too.

JOHN: Or it could… well yeah, yeah.

MARK: Before we get much farther, we should see if our Ottawa correspondents Matt and Nicole are on the line?

NICOLE: We are here, hello everyone!

MARK: Hey!

MATT: Thanks for having us once again.

MARK: Once again!

MATT: And were all lined up here on Skypeland, everyone’s sending messages. We’re all really excited about tonight’s show.

MARK: Great, that’s amazing. So for those people who are not on Skype, Matt why don’t you tell them how to get on?

MATT: You can go to Skype.com, S-K-Y-P-E dot com and it’s a free service, just sign up and then search me out, I am Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W dot Kolling, K-O-L-L-I-N-G from Arizona, and if you search me out send me an “add request” and we will add you to our list and then you can participate in the show, we’d love to have ya!

MARK: Ye-he-hey! Well this is, I guess we’re on the eve of another Kris workshop. As of Friday, Serge and I will be in Halifax doing a presentation on the Friday night just outside of Halifax, and all day Saturday we’re going to be doing a one day workshop called “The Power of Original Goodness” which will also be video cast with a live feed for those interested, they can’t make it to Halifax, and if you’re interested in that, you can go to Krischronicles.com, Kris with a ‘K’, and to the workshops’ original goodness page and the information is there.

SERGE: Yup! And in fact we have people from Spain, all the way to Hawaii, who are gonna be getting the live video feed on the internet on Saturday morning, that should be a unique experience for us, and if everything goes well, there might be more of those in the very near future.

MARK: Wouldn’t that be great?

SERGE: Yeah, probably, probably, though it’s not confirmed yet, but probably maybe perhaps, even on the radio show, a radio video show, who knows! Who knows what Hugh might be able to you know, drum up with his magic.

MARK: Go ahead Matthew.

MATT: I think that you guys may have just gone to the next level!

SERGE: Oh, I feel so ascended right now.

(Laughter)

MARK: Should I be going “bam!”?

MATT: You know, for those who have not actually seen Serge and Kris live, the facial expressions and that, just that warm loving smile is just such a big part of it, it just seems like it’s just gonna add so much to the material and the program. I’m just really, really excited for everybody involved.

MARK: I have to agree, with any good conversation, body language is a major factor. There’s oftentimes that the transcripts just don’t cut it because you don’t know how Kris is gesturing with his hands, the expression on his face, the humor behind it, it makes a world of difference.

SERGE: Yes, I, you never know what finger he’s holding up.

(Laughter)

MARK: For those people that cannot make it to the Halifax workshop, there will be at Toronto workshop called “The Happiness Project” in October, October 13th which is a Saturday, it’ll be at the Ramada hotel on Jarvis street in downtown Toronto, and once again the information for that is online at the Kris chronicles.com.

SERGE: And we started getting a number of inquiries and some people paying up for it already.

MARK: Yeah, definitely.

MATT: That’s great! You know we went to the program in June, and you know going to the Kris programs is wonderful, but I really think a big huge benefit to going to the events is all of the people that you get to meet and the conversations that happen during the breaks, and you know in the evening time, and you know it’s really, it’s wonderful because the type of people who go to these events are fabulous people, and it’s really neat to be able to meet all the like-minded people as well, it’s really kind of a two for one thing.

MARK: And to share in all that energy.

MATT: Absolutely, and some wine.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Hey you gotta keep in the spirit!

JOHN: Actually it occurs to me, just hearing you guys talk about this “going to the next level” and how useful it is to be able to see Kris, I’m thinking about the CMI recording that I saw recently. And I think that if you, if I was having a personal session with Kris, and I was across the country somewhere, I would really enjoy the opportunity to actually, instead of just be on the phone with the guy, is to actually see him, wouldn’t that be great?

SERGE: There you go giving everyone ideas.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well, it would enrich that experience, I think for the person.

MARK: Well the technology is definitely expanding and expanding in our favor in this particular case, and we’re actually really excited about this new technology. Now the “Original Goodness” is a, I guess I our test project, our experiment, and if all goes well, we’re gonna be taking this to new levels and trying to bring it into the Kris sessions as much as possible.

JOHN: Yeah, you could wire your whole house, just don’t put a video camera in the bathroom and I think you’ll be fine.

MARK: Or bedroom for that matter.

(Laughter)

MATT: Well I’m looking forward to the Kris hologram where I can just put him in three-dimensional, sitting in the middle of my living room.

JOHN: Yeah!

SERGE: Were working on that.

MATT: Good!

MARK: So “The Incredible Simplicity of Being.”

SERGE: Is that the title?

MARK: How simple can that be?

SERGE: Or is it just the simplicity of being?

MARK: That’s it, shows over, it’s that simple. (Chuckling) Yes that is the topic for this evening, “The Incredible Simplicity of Being.” Any thoughts on that?

JOHN: Oh well, we were chatting before the show that, I mean, in a way it’s sort of like being yourself. You might think that being yourself is a wonderful thing but on the other hand you can’t really be anybody else, and so it’s the same thing with being, it is incredibly simple because there’s not… nobody listening to this can choose to not be.

MARK: As Kris says, you create your reality perfectly.

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: You cannot do it any other way!

JOHN: Yeah…

MATT and JOHN: It reminds…

MATT and JOHN: I’m sorry.

JOHN: Matt, go ahead.

MATT: I’m sorry, it reminds me of what you were saying John, a couple of weeks ago, about problems that you were able to create problems without even thinking about it, simplistically just creating without even thinking…

JOHN: Oh yeah!

MATT: You know, good or bad.

JOHN: Yes, it’s true, people who say “oh by golly I’m finding it really difficult to learn how to create my own reality.” (Clears throat) Well let’s just think about that for a moment, you’re creating your entire reality, every moment of every day and night, effortlessly, so how hard can it really be?

MARK: Whether you do it by default or whether you do it consciously, you’re still creating it perfectly.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: And here we go!

JOHN: And here comes the…

MARK: The star of the show.

JOHN: Yes!

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: On the subject matter of creating one’s own reality, do become aware this is not something new that has been invented by these New Age flakes.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: There have been writings on this subject matter as far back as human memory goes. And then before that, there have been many projects on this topic as far as the Orodin go, so you are old hats at reality creation. The difference is, that in this particular stage of the experimentation, you are bringing into the subject matter your conscious awareness, your conscious mind, at least what you consider your conscious mind, which we can easily equate to finally, you are waking up to what you are doing and what you have been doing ever since you have been yourselves. You are beginning to understand the very simplistic principles. The principles are indeed simplistic. The mechanisms are complex. (sirens from outside are getting louder) But once you create the machinery, you do not have to understand how come the sirens start at every show?

JOHN: (Laughing) its complex.

KRIS: Once you understand the simplicity of it, in exactly the same way that when you get into your car, you do not have to understand the mechanisms of the carburetor and fuel injection and how the pistons work, and this and that and the other thing. As far as most of you are concerned, you sit in the driver’s seat, you put the key in the ignition, you turn it on, and you get the heck to where you are going, as simple as that. And even though you do not have the knowledge involving the mechanisms of the automobile, you can still drive the car, it does not prevent you. Otherwise, if that were the case, there would be approximately 100 vehicles on the roads here and there at any given time, more or less.

Other than that however, if you desire to understand the mechanisms, the information is available. And you have that information, but it simply requires that you pay attention, the art of noticing what you are doing with your consciousness because your consciousness is creating the reality you are observing. It is not an esoteric secret, it is not the subject of secret societies, it is not the subject of special teachings, in fact as soon as you pay careful attention to your own thought processes, you will indeed discover that you have been doing this even before your present birth experience. And the simplicity of creating is unbelievably beautiful. The simple fact that you are consciousness means that you create all of those experiences all by yourself in conjunction and cooperation with all other individuals.

JOHN: Could I ask a quick question here?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I’m used to the understanding that I’m creating my external reality: what my senses, my physical senses are aware of, and that that’s sort of a reflection or confirmation of my inner representations. The question I have is, am I also creating my inner reality?

KRIS: We would have you consider instead, that because you are creating within the laboratory of consciousness, which is the inner subjective awareness, because you do that, the results of the experimentation in your quantum field is externalized for you to examine in exactly the same manner that the laboratory scientist looks at his theories under the microscope. Your microscope is what you call the external field, which is nothing more than a reflection of the internal field. We spoke a long time ago about inner and outer fields that should give you some indication that in truth, there is neither an outer or inner field. There simply is the act of consciousness. Most individuals explore consciousness in the same manner as someone who utilizes a torch or flashlight and walking into a dark room. Do you remember that discussion?

JOHN: Yes, I do.

KRIS: One of the difficulties is that most enter the dark room with a very tiny, little torch light, with a very small beam, and the darkroom is so immensely vast, that even all of the light produced by a million suns cannot fully illuminate the whole of it.

JOHN: Ah! That’s an interesting image, yes.

KRIS: And that is your inner field of action. That should give you a small indication that consciousness, which is also what you are, is an infinite field of possibilities.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: As it is sometimes said, it is big. And yet it occupies no real estate that you can actually sell through Remax.

JOHN: Now in terms of my inner senses, let’s say I’m tuning in to things with my inner senses in that inner field and I’m manipulating the energy there. Am I creating that in the same way that that subsequently creates my outer experience?

KRIS: You create what you refer to as the inner field of experience first.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: That is then reflected outwardly.

JOHN: Oh wow! Okay.

KRIS: In such a manner that you can then assess and judge your preferences.

JOHN: So I’m actually creating it all, inner and outer.

KRIS: You are creating the inner and it is reflected through the auspices of consciousness in what you identify as the outer field, yet it is one.

JOHN: Yeah, inner/outer is just an arbitrary distinction.

KRIS: Indeed. It appears outwardly because of your physical senses, and even that in so many words, is very limited examination because your physical senses only perceive so much of the bandwidth of the reality you have already created.

JOHN: Even the physical reality.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: That’s like saying that when one’s writing software code, you’re working in the code, that could be that inner reality, and that the software, actually what it does, being the outer reality, but you’re working on of the software, period.

JOHN: That’s good analogy.

KRIS: Utilizing that analogy, consider for a moment the writers of computer games, digitalized games, millions of lines of code go into the process. Some of these lines make the characters or avatars smile or frown or cry or jump or kill or explode and so on and so forth. Then, all of these millions upon millions of lines of codes are assembled, and with the auspices of your modern technologies, processed again through what you call operating systems, which give all of this code the representations that you then examine and experience with your physical senses. And there are individuals who actually get so completely engrossed, they have viable, physical reactions to the representations on the monitor, they get excited when they blow up enemies, they get sad when their avatars or friends thereof are blown up by the enemy and so on and so forth. They have emotional tones.

JOHN: But you know the thing that leaps to my mind as you’re describing that, is of the process that I’m familiar with, as a… I used to be a computer programmer in my youth! And that is that, you’ll be working on the code, and then you’ll run it on the monitor and see how it looks to get some feedback from that level, which is very much like what we’re doing here: outer life is us running the program.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: Then we go back and change the code because “oh, I don’t like the color there, and I want this to happen a little faster.” So you go back, you change the code and then you run the program again, in a way that’s what we’re doing here.

KRIS: Indeed, you create a system of checks and balances in order to weigh what you prefer. And it is very significant that in some small part you acquire an understanding of these processes. And again, even though reality creation is simple, it is based on very complex arrangements of consciousness, an exactly-like fashion. Your computer games may appear rather simple. Even some of the most simple earlier games, you call them Pac-Man, still required millions of lines of code to make that little thing munch across the screen. What is behind the scenes is complex. What manifests itself in front of your senses so to speak appears simple, yet what governs all of these gambits of subjective experiences that you undergo.

JOHN: Yes and I just thought of another nice part of this analogy. And that is that if you’re… let’s say you’re dealing with a computer game. When the game is playing, you can get quite viscerally involved in the game but when you’re writing the code, you don’t become emotionally involved. It’s only when the game is playing that you become engaged, and so that’s very similar here I think.

KRIS: Indeed. The inner processes can be observed through the interactions of the outcomes. That is how you acquire knowledge of the inner processes if you do not know code as it were. That gives you a set of criteria that you can then define, something you want to pursue, something you do not want to pursue, something you want to move towards, something you want to move away from, heading towards pleasure, heading away from pain, unless of course pain is your pleasure.

So all of these definitions come down to one factor, that the purpose of understanding what it is that you engage as you create is truly liberating. That is why the simple understanding of reality creation can be so beneficial because it is releasing. When you understand that it is your own self who creates and even invents all of the different discomforts and malaise, physical or psychological or otherwise, then you can set your mind in making the proper alterations so that you benefit from an understanding of your own inner processes. Any inquiries at this time?

MARK: Just a comment there that there’s another analogy that seems to fit here, and that’s the old GIGO. “Garbage in, garbage out” in computer lingo and if the code’s all screwed up, that’s what your reality’s going to be.

KRIS: Indeed. You make even a small mistake in the very early aspect of your mathematical equations and as it progresses and becomes more and more complex, eventually realize as a mathematician that there is something not coming out as it should. And you indeed often have to go back to find where you may have simply put one decimal point out of line, that is all it requires, one decimal point because one decimal point out of line changes the whole of the pi, in more ways than the dessert. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does.

NICOLE: Absolutely. Hey Kris we have a question from one of the Skypies, from Alan? He asked a question and says “is it then the sole function of the ego to assess the reflected creation or are other parts of the self involved with the reflected reality?”

KRIS: The ego in itself is a complex construction. Its function, we would compare to a good old fashioned traffic control officer, standing at the intersection, busily directing the flow of traffic, stopping one direction to initiate the flow of another, then stopping that, initiating the next, stopping that, directing the next, and so on and so forth. It may appear rather simple but again, the ego’s function is to direct and take into consideration the flow of constant incessant never-ending emotional and psychological perceptions, imagery, inner self-talk, emotional states, feeling-tones, all of which become active participants and powerful factors in where and how the traffic is going to be directed and how that will ultimately play out against the outcome, and what kind of outcome is going to be brought forth once these are all assembled. Does that make sense?

NICOLE: Absolutely. And Marlene was asking “then is it the belief systems then that are getting in the way of, the way, is it the belief systems then that get in the way that the things are not working out as they should?”

KRIS: There we believe that is a popular assumption, that belief systems are somehow rather considered the gremlins and the culprits. And very often the very popular idea is to then do away with beliefs, crush them or have them extracted in some way. And yet, it is also the very same belief system that allows you to be who you think you are, regardless of what that definition means, so you cannot eliminate belief systems. But our contention is, if you can believe that you hear for instance, as many people labeled schizophrenics and otherwise, if they can believe they are hearing nasty little voices that tell them to do naughty things, they can just as easily hear very nice voices that encourage them to do beautiful things. It is a matter of how you utilize the belief structure. Belief systems is a word that has indeed been tossed around for a long time, yet if you have a belief system what does that mean? What would it imply that you have a system of beliefs?

JOHN: That would imply to me that beliefs are interrelated, that one belief maybe would attract other similar types of or beliefs or corollaries or things that follow on from the belief.

KRIS: Indeed. The oft viewed notion about beliefs is that somewhere in this part of your awareness there is a little belief, and somewhere over there, there is another kind of belief and in other place there is another kind of belief there, and somewhere back there, way in the back room of my awareness somewhere, there is another little belief, and perhaps like little vermins or rats, and I better catch a trap and catch me a belief.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: However, it is much more interesting and complex, in fact so interesting, that none of the complex arrangements within your civilizations, which are themselves reflections of many of your own beliefs could possibly exist or be. And if then the outer expression to you appears complex, imagine the complexity of the code that goes into creating that holographic representation. Thus, consider this. You have, most of you at least have 10 fingers. If you wish, you can count to make certain, and you have 10 toes. You have 4 limbs, you have a head, you can count to make certain that is also true. You have a torso, an abdomen. Do these various objects exist in various parts of the room?

MARK: No.

KRIS: Do you find fingers over there by the kitchen? And a leg or two perhaps in the workshop? And perhaps one arm in the living room? A head in the head?

MARK: Mind you, I do sometimes find a finger stuck in my ear.

JOHN: No, it’s a completely integrated, fabulous…

MARK: System.

JOHN: System of things.

KRIS: Indeed. They are united, they are together, they are a system.

JOHN: In fact you can’t even think very sensibly about a finger without also including at least as an assumption, a head and a torso and two legs and like it’s all one.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Unless you got Wendy’s chili.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: [Smiling] Indeed then. Now, for thousands of years your species has been under the assumption that somehow rather, what you perceive through your senses exists outside of your body, your own personal field of action, which can be taken to mean that at the physical level, you believe that your body and bodily parts exist separately and independently of each other and of yourself. So if your finger aches you can you simply take it off? You can at the risk of a great deal of pain.

JOHN: And the loss of a finger.

KRIS: Indeed. If your head aches, we believe it would be disadvantageous to take it off. It might cure the headache.

JOHN: As a matter of fact, what’s leaping to my mind is, doesn’t it say in the Bible somewhere “if thyne eye offend thee pluck it out?” I think there

MARK: I don’t think they were being literal at all.

KRIS: Indeed in many ways, in old biblical times, there were many people walking around with plucked out eyes.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: A lot of monocular people.

KRIS: Indeed then, the whole point of this is to bring about an awareness that, just as your own physical parts do not exist independently, because if it did in you hurt your finger, why would your head feel the pain? It is connected. The nervous system provides that connection, the parasympathetic nervous system. And over and above that is the connective tissue which we spoke about some time ago. So there is something connecting everything within your body to everything else within your body. Over and above that you have consciousness, whether you are conscious of that fact or not, you are conscious of every part of your body, whether you acknowledge it or not. When you walk, you do not normally look at every footstep you take. Otherwise you would literally fall flat on your face or somewhere else. So you have assigned a certain portion of that action to what you call your subconscious mind. It keeps an awareness in the peripheral vision.

Every time you walk, you do not have to pay attention, you simply walk. And very many times you do not even notice consciously that you have avoided stepping in something undesirable. And yet it happens that you do not need to specifically pay attention because there is awareness of your entire body at any time. There are many individuals who do not even pay attention to the point where they find themselves quite surprised that they have leapt out of the way of an oncoming vehicle without first seeing it because the peripheral vision is not the outer edges of your senses. You are connected with something else, consciousness. Your living medium is indeed consciousness and you are that consciousness. You exist in the medium not unlike fish in water within the ocean. You are simply become so accustomed to it. You do not pay attention to your consciousness. Your flashlight beam is very tiny, and if size matters to any of you, then indeed, widen the beam of that flashlight.

MARK: Biggie size it.

JOHN: I’ve got a huge flashlight.

KRIS: Thus it is to your advantage to take into your awareness an acknowledgment that you are much more than what you think you are at any given time and if you wish, a small experimentation which we will pursue this weekend. Imagine that as a fish in the ocean, you are swimming through the medium of consciousness. Allow the finer or refined sensations on the outer edges of your physical awareness and even psychological awareness to press upon you as if you are swimming or walking through the water of consciousness. Feel the different currents of consciousness as they intersect with your physical awareness and extend perceptions through that field and explore how that widens your own awareness.

And you may indeed find that this is not limited to a local phenomena, your awareness intersects and is interwoven with massive network that encompasses all consciousness. That you can indeed be aware of everything, at least as far as your neurological capacities allow, and with further practice you then tend to create new neurological pathways that are more and allow more and allow more and allow more awareness to be processed. So this, as we suggested, simplifies creation and it is vastly complex processes, you only have to know how to turn the key in the ignition and to provide fuel for the mechanism.

JOHN: And have some intention about going somewhere.

KRIS: Indeed, that always helps to get you out of the driveway. What is the time?

MARK: Quarter to (eight)

KRIS: Then perhaps a very short break might be in order.

MARK: Thank you.

(brief musical interlude)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. We’ve been talking to Kris about “The Incredible Simplicity of Being”. What a great little conversation.

JOHN: Yes it’s been fascinating. How are you guys doing, Matt and Nicole?

(Pause)

JOHN: Oh, they’re still on break. (Chuckling)

NICOLE: Oh, wonderful, wonderful! You know I was thinking of something as Kris was ending, right before he went on to break and I don’t know if I’m correct on this or not but if our belief systems, if we were to think of our belief systems as fence posts and together they build a fence that surrounds a particular area, space, which I thought would be the belief systems in which I’m living my life by, in order to create a different reality obviously is to adapt new belief systems. But how do you, how do you create a different reality if you have never even imagined or know how to imagine what that could be like, I mean how would you explain the taste of chocolate to somebody if you never tasted chocolate? Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, I’d give them a piece of chocolate, simple.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: No, I would

NICOLE: Well, that would be a great way to do it.

MATT: But not Wendy’s chili.

MARK: No, no. (Laughing)

JOHN: No, beliefs, Mark and I have just been chatting about beliefs. Beliefs are fascinating. I had this little saying that came to me just before the show: “there’s no sense measuring your beliefs against reality to see if they’re true, what we need to do is to measure our beliefs against our preferences to see if they’re what we want.” And that’s a real leap for most people because for you know, 50 years I assumed that my beliefs were completely beyond my control. I can’t, I didn’t believe I could control what I believed.

MARK: And physical reality was evidence of that.

JOHN: Yes!

MARK: But now you’ve learned that the evidence is the result of beliefs.

JOHN: There’s a little give and take now, honestly there is. Physical reality is being a little coyer with me than it used to be.

MARK: Also, to answer Nicole’s question there, I think once you build your little fence, you occasionally have to look out over top of it. You can’t just suddenly change all the beliefs, tear down the whole fence, but maybe take sections of it and move it outward, and gradually, in steps, expand and look out over it.

NICOLE: Yeah, but how do you imagine what you’ve never imagined?

MARK: Try. (Laughs)

JOHN: Well one of the things to keep in mind, if I could make this suggestion, is that the whole dream the thing. We’ve got a built-in escape hatch for our imagination here in the physical in the sense that we dream every night and we’re not limited by our beliefs in the physical. Does that help you at all? In other words, a dream experience can inform our imagination about things that are not physical?

NICOLE: Sure, absolutely. I mean that definitely makes sense and I know that you know, and that’s what our dreams are doing, is taking us into a different place probably to break through and see things differently to obviously widen our perceptions and you know, see things in a different way.

KRIS: Indeed and whom amongst you has had the pleasure of watching your own or someone else’s grandmother knit a sweater?

(Someone said “me”)

KRIS: Most individuals have in one way or another. Now, if the knitted sweater somehow rather does not have the appropriate color or pattern or both. Do you say “damn the needles” and throw them out? Indeed not. You can dismantle the sweater winter rung by rung then you can re-knit more to your liking. Your beliefs are very much like those knitting needles. They are necessary for the sweater, and your beliefs are necessary for your lives. It is as a result of those many beliefs that you hold that you are the individual that you are.

Some of you may find that there are challenges in your life. Does it mean that your entire life is nothing but an immense challenge? On the contrary, as we spoke about recently, concerning your challenges as opportunities, we specifically made mention of utilizing different ways, methods or techniques to quiet the mind, quiet that inner dialogue because when you do, you move away from the problem or challenge into areas where the solutions already exist and are simply awaiting for you to be quiet sufficiently long enough for them to appear into your awareness. Consider your beliefs then to be very similar creatures, cousins if you wish. Does that make sense to you?

(Affirmations all around)

KRIS: So they are absolutely necessary to your existence. You use them, they are structures, utilize them to create the very stuff of life. And those beliefs that you hold bend and form time-space, even light and photons. So that the particles of consciousness, the units of consciousness form into the objects you consider physical. So your belief systems are most important. Without them, you do not have existence as you know it. That is why we suggested also some short time ago, there are many indeed, who more or less cannot wait to participate in those experimentations of reality creation in the same manner that you do because that kind of experimentation is not to be had just anywhere. It is in fact highly specialized.

JOHN: That raises a question for me, at the Essence or Entity level, do we have similar belief systems? Or not necessary?

KRIS: You hold something akin, but not in the kinds of ways, they are almost impossible to describe, there is a relationship, utilize them in a completely different manner. They are still systems, they need to be utilized, they are the stuff again that molds, forms and bends consciousness because you are consciousness. You are, therefore the world is.

JOHN: You are, therefore the world is.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I like that.

KRIS: Any other inquiries? Even from sleepy minds.

MARK: Anyone out there in Skypeland?

MATT: I think were just digesting right now.

KRIS: Then indeed you could not have chosen a better menu then the listing of your belief systems and the simplicity of creation.

MATT: Wow, I just, I think that comment that you made about “the room of consciousness cannot be lit by a million suns” is just been blowing me away this whole show, it’s just amazing.

KRIS: The moment you flash the light of consciousness and one direction, you actually create everything you need to observe in that direction. Change the direction of the light of your consciousness and you create everything you need to examine in that area. You constantly and consistently create the laboratories of your consciousness experiments. It cannot be otherwise, that is why you always create, you have always created and you will always continue to create, whatever it is that you create.

In other areas, you will move well beyond the nature of the kinds of beliefs structures that you utilize within this field of reality. And you will move into other areas of the vast room of consciousness because the beam of the light that you are projecting will take you there. You instantly create all of the things that you experience that is the very nature of consciousness. You live within that kind of an atmosphere.

MATT: Wow, that’s just incredible.

KRIS: So for those of you who are wondering, do not consider your beliefs to be impediments or something that keeps you from experiencing life but instead as the tools that you utilize like Michelangelo’s tools that carve out Davids from blocks of marble. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Yes, it does.

KRIS: It is literally what you do. You carve out your sculptures in an interactive fashion that is what consciousness does. Indeed, you have an inquiry?

HUGH: So it sounds like there’s really no such thing as history out there or there’s no such thing as…

KRIS: There is a history. It is the history of your creations. All of these could be considered a log book in the great vault of awareness. You keep tabs on all of the experimentations that you try.

HUGH: Where we go from this point forward into the future, if it’s going, each future will assume the shape from each individual, is that right?

KRIS: (whispering) Yes. In fact in this very moment, you are creating the past that is necessary to project you towards another kind of future or past or present but you do it all in the now.

MARK: I’m reminded of Jane Roberts’ work with every present now has a past, present, a past, future, future past, there’s like nine different tenses in the grid.

NICOLE: So Marlene asked a question and wants to know is it “so do the feelings communicate from beliefs or they are separate communication?”

KRIS: The beliefs that you hold, as you understand them, are very much like the slides the scientist puts under the laboratory’s microscope to examine the components of the cell that the scientist is examining under that microscope. So your beliefs are at the basic level, little more than an amalgam of thoughts that you’ve accumulated over time and to those thoughts you have assigned particular preferences, particular emotional tones, sometimes very strong ones, you have assigned particular impressions and intensities, and have taken that set of thoughts and other factors and literally valued it in some other ways, over and above other kinds of similar thoughts. This forms the foundation of the various kinds of beliefs that you play with, these are your building blocks, much like when you create Lego toys. Do you remember these from your childhood?

(Affirmations all around)

KRIS: You build little walls, little houses, little machines, and so on and so forth out of these Legos, they are little bricks, you snap them together and you build up on them. In a similar way, you take your beliefs and you utilize them as those Lego blocks. Consider them your Lego blocks of consciousness. They are the ones that then create an experience. And once you can understand that process, and look at your beliefs and understand that beliefs are what you have made them to be, then it is much easier to more or less disarm the charge that you have injected into those thoughts and into those thought processes and patterns and free yourself from the emotional content. Lego blocks are little more than little plastic objects. Your thoughts in their relevant and pertinent factors are in themselves little more than the blocks. How you interpret the finished product is an entirely different thing. Does that make sense to you?

NICOLE: Absolutely.

KRIS: Therefore there is indeed a wonderful simplicity of being that exists in all of you. The processes that get you to that simple state of being are complex, but from where you stand, everything can be rather simple in a beautiful creative way, just as the artist knows that his or her art is simple, but what is utilized to make that art simple is complex. Does that make sense to you?

NICOLE: Yeah.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: Five after eight.

KRIS: Then indeed we return you to your wonderful, simply creative and complex selves, and we will continue next show.

MARK: With the topic?

KRIS: Part two.

MARK: Part two!

(Laughter)

JOHN: Oh you’re clever!

KRIS: Indeed!

MATT: Thanks Kris!

KRIS: Indeed, maybe you all experience wonderful dreams.

ALL: Thank you.

MARK: Well kids, that’s a wrap, see you all next Thursday, if not on Saturday during the live video feed or in Halifax, have a good night everybody!

MATT: Enjoy Halifax, Marky!

MARK: Thank you!

ALL: Bye!

Open Mic (Dreams)

September 16, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 16, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Anya, Tom, Theresa, Marlene, Matt, Nicole and Lisa

(8:02 PM)

[Our scheduled conference call host was not responding when session time arrived, and there was a scramble to open up another conference call through a different host and get the access codes out to all participants. Through skype, phone, and email the group was finally assembled.]

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. Even if you had to play with your technology, you still managed to find a solution.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: Perhaps since it is such a lovely evening and all of you have worked so hard to find an alternative system, this might be a very appropriate evening for a fireside chat.

JOHN: Oh, goodie!

KRIS: So do feel free to make some inquires. If you have any questions and so forth, do allow yourselves to ask.

MARK: Anybody have any questions?

BRIAN: Hey, Kris, I’d like to at least say thank you for the session from the other week. I’ve grown up!

ELLEN: (Chuckling) And we are all validating that, too.

[ELLEN'S NOTE: When Brian arrived for tonight's session and he, Cathy and I all sat down to munch and chat before session time, Cathy and I both noted to him that he seemed different, with a more mature, engaged demeanor. Brian had a private session with Kris over a week ago, primarily to discuss a medical concern about a carcinoma that was recently discovered. In his session Brian recognized the need to grow up and take responsibility in certain areas of his life.]

CATHY: (Humorously) His hair is grey and he’s using a walker!

(Laughter)

BRIAN: Aw, you guys!

KRIS: Indeed, you are most welcome and always keep in mind to always make trivial of the big things in life and never allow the trivialities to get out of hand.

BRIAN: Thank you, my friend, thank you. I’m enjoying it. Let’s put it that way, Kris. I’m enjoying it more than I ever had.

KRIS: Indeed, and we enjoyed the choo-choo train with you.

BRIAN: (Laughing) That was fun, sending it into the sun to be incinerated!

ELLEN: I think everybody enjoyed that one.

MARK: Anybody else have any questions?

TOM: Yes, I do. Kris, I’m wondering in general about when you did “The Sardine That Stood Out” radio show and we metaphorically talked about our different aspects of Self. Recently I’ve been having dreams of I guess different aspects of myself where I find myself in different situations doing more shadowy things that I don’t normally do in this reality. Is this part of the alignment process? Could you comment on that? Aligning aspects?

KRIS: There are times when you enter an area of your dream landscape that may feel very unfamiliar to you and as long as you keep in mind that the dreams are metaphorical representations of inner actions, you may find it less difficult to no longer hold onto the emotional attachments that will arise from images and interactions in the dream states. This further means that there are many times when dream actions may seem very radical and almost incomprehensible as to what you do in your daily waking life. Do remember that dream actions are interpretations of emotional states and in many cases the dramatization is to draw your attention often to emotions that you have held onto or to emotional states that you have not necessarily let go of, whatever these may be in your life. And they may simply be brought to your conscious mind by yourself in order for you to recognize that a, or several, situations are in need of being let go. Does that make some sense to you?

TOM: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Very often, simply becoming consciously aware of the underlying themes in those dreams is sufficient to kick-start the process of introspection and self-examination that leads to moving away from those emotional states and moving towards more desirable states. Often, they might even be tied into different times where depressions and helplessness were the frame of mind at those times. They may not necessarily all have been all cleared out of your attic, so to speak. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes it does. Thank you.

KRIS: You are indeed most welcome. Whether this is for yourself or everyone else listening, or those who will be reading this session, recognize that you have the same abilities, the same potential to create dream states from the waking stance. You call that daydreaming and doodling, therefore you often dismiss those states as inconsequential or even perhaps a petty nuisance, but if you found it within yourself to become more of a participant and more aware whilst engaging in daydreaming — which simply means that you are slightly removed from your immediate focus of attention, but still engaging mental imagery and inner emotional states — then you could utilize that state in exactly the same way that you use dreams to convey communications or information to your conscious mind excepting in this particular instance of daydreaming you are not completely submerged in another kind of state but still very close to the conscious mind where you can produce immediate results as it were. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: For instance, if you had dreams whilst you are sleeping, dreams that are unsettling or otherwise undesirable or unpleasant, do acknowledge them, do not brush them under the carpet, but acknowledge them. And the way to address the situation would be to utilize similar processes, but whilst conscious and awake, such as in a daydream state, deliberately creating a conscious dreamlike environment where you then allow a free flow of images in a direction you desire, perhaps creating imagery where you address the issues brought forth in the night’s dream in such a manner that you utilize conscious direction to create a scenario that sees you already acting upon messages and information you received from the dream state, thereby accelerating the information you are processing. Does this make sense to you?

TOM: Yes. Is this like having a double focus, one where we’re slightly aware of where we are, but the other focus is kind of immersed in the daydream activity?

KRIS: Indeed, it is a hypnagogic state and it is not unlike self-hypnosis with vivid imagery that draws your attention inwardly while a slight portion of your awareness keeps tabs on the physical environment. Utilize that state to your benefit and advantage.

TOM: So that’s a natural reaction that we should have to shadow dreams –

KRIS: It is a natural propensity that already exists within your consciousness. Take advantage of it.

MARK: So, if I could just re-iterate, what you’re saying is if we have disturbing dreams, we can take those dreams while we’re awake and daydream and allow a more lucid state to where we actually interact with those dreams at a more conscious level to have a better outcome.

KRIS: Indeed. It is a natural, innate property of your consciousness and it can be very useful and most certainly can lead you to understand even more of what you like to call the conscious creation process. If someone can utilize this visualization state, this daydreaming state, to dream up a parking space, then certainly each and every one of you can also utilize the same state to release any situation within you that you desire to release, ending any programming that you would prefer end, as well as creating a kind of programming of beliefs that you would find desirable. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, it does. Excellent.

KRIS: Indeed. And you thought you would only have fun while sleeping!

TOM: (Laughing. Tom is well known in the group for his exciting dream explorations.)

MARK: So, on the flip side of that, if we have dreams that are, say, on the more erotic, pleasurable state, they’re leading us to let go of inhibitions?

KRIS: You might wish to be careful with this particular aspect. You would not, for instance, wish to remove ALL social inhibitions. Otherwise you might find yourself perpetually in Mardi Gras!

MARK: Yes.

(Group laughter)

KRIS: And you would want to make certain that you are at ease with yourself in those specific reveries, otherwise you might have to do like many teenagers and walk around with the knapsack in front!

(Laughter)

MARK: (Chuckling) Indeed.

ANYA: Along those same lines that Mark was asking, on the positive side, the night before we had our first CMI (Consciousness Mentoring Institute) session, I had a dream with another group member and we were walking on the air, which was just absolutely fascinating, and there was a river flowing down below in the valley, we were following the boat, and as I focused on the river I started feeling like I was being sucked into that river and I associated that with very good, strong emotions.

In a sense it felt like I was connecting with my Essence and I associated that actually, the next day when we did the exercise of the heart extension after the 7-Circle Yoga. It resonated with me with that piece, so my question is: if you have a dream experience where you feel something magical is really happening, why would you want to bring in energy of conscious reality and maybe cultivate that feeling for awhile until you get more out of it?

KRIS: Indeed, and what would be preventing you from doing that?

ANYA: Well, I was thinking that it already happened in a dream state so is there a benefit of activating and expanding that vibration?

KRIS: If you see before you a box of chocolates and someone gives you one chocolate, leaves the box open and leaves the room, what would you like to do? It is said that often life is like a box of chocolates. You just have to help yourself.

ANYA: But is my perception also true that the heart extension exercise we did at CMI yesterday. Is it part of helping us connect even stronger with our Essence, more consciously?

KRIS: You may consider it as connecting with Essence, but from our own perspective, you are already connected with Essence. You are simply becoming more aware that this connection is a perpetual state. You are undivided, but the exercise and many others simply assist in remembering that this connection has always been, will always be and so on. Do you follow?

ANYA: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: As to your floating in your dream, you might like to consider also that utilizing your dream bodies in different ways also lets you become aware that you are simultaneously exploring an entirely different area or dimension of your subjective awareness where different kinds of belief structures exist. And floating, though a natural state of the dream self, also indicates that you are freeing yourself from those kinds of beliefs that to you may otherwise be cumbersome. Do you follow?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: Now do you remember if you were several inches off the ground or perhaps above the treetops?

ANYA: It was pretty high, about 30 feet at least, above the ground.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you recall anything else after that?

ANYA: I just recall the strong sensation of falling down and I started being afraid for the first reaction, but then I realized, it’s not the falling down, something else was happening. I was connecting and merging and shifting into a very different thing and after that my memory shut off. And I thought it was very significant.

KRIS: Yes, because at that point, individuals who can recognize this second dream body usually are embarking on an out of body projection. Do you follow?

ANYA: That feels very true. Thank you.

KRIS: Now it does not necessarily mean that if you do not experience yourself floating several stories above the ground that you cannot enter into an out of body projection, but it is a significant flag that if you recognize that you are having a dream right now, where you are floating, perhaps ten, twenty or more feet off the ground, above treetops and rooftops, then you are likely heading towards a projection of consciousness. So the trick would then be to become familiar with that kind of experience. Seek to cultivate it whilst in the waking state. Daydream about it, then when you become aware that this is happening again in your dreams, you can take notice of the specific sensations so that you may then begin recording the process involved in shifting towards an out of body projection. Become familiar and practiced at it so you can then perhaps even do this more or less at will.

MARK: What’s the difference between an out of body and just a regular dream state? Lucidity?

KRIS: There is an incredible amount of lucidity involved and the laws of physics, even as they are different from dream state to waking state, are again that much more different, meaning that you would recognize that the normal sensation and idea or concept of having a physical body hardly exists at all. It is a heightened awareness state. You are still within certain fields of your beliefs, but very different ones.

MARK: You spoke to Anya about exploring the deeper aspects of self through the dream state, and after our last dream walk I had this dream where I suddenly found myself in a baseball uniform, on a baseball field, outdoors, there was a lot of people, way more than two teams, but all in uniforms. And I had the feelings and emotions were, to me, that my parents had signed me up for baseball but it was my first day there, I didn’t know anybody and didn’t know what the hell I was doing there but the reactions of everybody there to my presence was as if I was the star of the game and had been there and they were so glad to see me and excitement and joy and fun.

And then I started exploring that after I woke up — for several days I kept this dream at the front of my consciousness — and I allowed my consciousness to use my inner senses to interpret this dream, as we spoke about, and what came up for me is that I was in a different cluster, that Philip (Mark’s Essence) was traveling to this other cluster where he’s been many times, he’s well known and well loved, and it was Mark’s first time, or Mark’s first conscious awareness of being there and that’s what gave me that nervousness and sense of confusion. Care to comment?

KRIS: Suffice it to say that such dreams may even be few and far between, but they are indicative of potential openings to heightened or widened awareness, especially as it concerns your Essence and the actions and adventures that are possible. You did write this down in as many details as possible?

MARK: Yes, I did.

KRIS: You might like to re-visit this as is possible and when possible and allow your mind to be less concerned with what you wrote down and to become observant or noticing of things that you may have missed from that state, from that experience. You may also consider a long-term project of an adventurous kind of writing. Certainly it would be about travels out of this world. Do take all of this into consideration.

MARK: I will. I even went as far as to take your advice and write down things that I normally wouldn’t write down, everything from a chain link fence to spotlights. It was outdoors, it was a field, it was grass. You know the minor little things that would go unnoticed.

KRIS: Pay attention and use the grid we provided you with.

[NOTE: The grid is a dream recall practice method that Kris offered Mark to be published in an upcoming book "Discourses on Dreams" that Kris and Mark are working on together.]

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else care to ask a question? (Pause) You are being very quiet.

MARK: You are still there, right?

(Chuckling and responses of “Oh, yeah!” amongst the group.)

MATTHEW: I’ve got a question. Some of the dreams that I have are completely different than my normal, typical day, but often I’ll have dreams that seem to be an extension of what I was doing that day, especially when I spend a lot of time doing one particular thing. I was editing a bunch of Kris programs the other day and then when I was sleeping I was editing in my sleep. What causes the difference between just the continuation of your daydreams and the dreams where you are in an entirely different reality?

KRIS: Quite likely the amount of focus that you are engaged in during your daily or waking activity and is still being reflected in your sleep, however such reflections should still be considered as valid in terms of whatever you desire to interpret. So though it was closely aligned with some of or many of the actions of your day, that it showed up in your dreams could also be significant, maybe even so that your subconscious considered the imagery significant enough to let you know that at other levels or layers of yourself you were still doing some editing. You were examining and perhaps deciding what is no longer desirable for you so that you can move to that which is desirable, which is what editing is about, is it not?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: So it is still significant, but a completely different order of presentation, all valid, just as you can examine your life exactly as if it were something you dreamt and this will also be very telling. Does that answer your inquiry?

MATT: Yes, thank you.

BRIAN: Kris, if I may I’d like to follow up on that. Even only at 44 in this lifetime, why does it sometimes feel as though the journey in physical reality IS a dream, which it feels many times, as if it’s a dream. And it’s so fast.

KRIS: Because in many ways, it is exactly that. When you sleep and you dream, you think you are having an unreal experience and when you are awake and your senses confirm the apparent existence of a separate world, a reality that is separate from your self, you say that this is reality and what you dreamt of was less of a reality though it may have had occasioned certain physical or psychological or emotional reactions on your part. And you consider that the conscious mind is the purveyor of what is true and real and the subconscious mind therefore must be the purveyor and associated with all of that which is perhaps less than real and at best, dubious.

And we may share a very small thing with you and that is that if truth be known, the opposite is more true for the sake of discussion. It is your subconscious mind that is the purveyor of all of that which is true, whether acquired or otherwise and your conscious mind is what relegates only what it can experience through the senses as real and truthful. But at the same time, by this simple act of judgment, the conscious mind also cuts itself off from the rest of existence which is actually its true source of being. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Yes it does, which would also lead into something John Hawkins and I have talked about that intrigued John. It’s what I call the “liquid periphery” of physical reality, where it just seems as though on the peripheral vision this bandwidth of frequency called physical reality is a very narrow beam that you can almost sense on the sides, that it’s liquid in a lot of respects.

KRIS: It is malleable and extremely flexible. When you look at objects, you only see through your eyes that which the composition of the rods and cones in your eyes can allow you to translate according to their specific configuration. Anything else, you do not see. For instance, you do not see the ultraviolet light in the same way that bees see the ultraviolet light spectrum that they see because their eyes allow them to see something different, and yet both of you are looking at the same world, seeing something different, each. So it also stands to reason that your ears only allow you to experience that which is possible within their range.

You do not hear the sounds a dog hears, but the dog hears the sounds that you hear, and so on and so forth with all of your physical senses. Thus, your experience of the bandwidth of reality is much narrower than what other creatures who co-exist and cohabitate the world with you experience. However, you have something they do not. You have a subconscious mind, or subjective awareness, which in actuality is SUPER-conscious. At those inner layers you not only hear what the dog hears, but what every other creature hears. You not only see what the bees see, but you also see what every other creature sees and the same with taste, touch, etc.

However, because your physical senses have a certain bandwidth cut out of the larger spectrum of life, consciously you may think that there is nothing else to reality but what YOUR senses describe to you including what you think your life is all about. What others like ourselves are providing, then, is a gentle reminder that your physical senses and their particular bandwidth of perception is not the end-all and be-all of reality. There is so much more and by utilizing your inner senses, you can see, hear, taste, touch more.

If for instance, you close your eyes, within seconds you see the inside of your eyelid and it is dark. If you focus a little more you might begin to see odd shapes take form and if you were to go beyond the convention of your beliefs in such ways, you could see other life forms, you could see other beings. But the concept to you to see something without the use of your eyes and their limited perception range seems absurd. Does it not? And so much more is available, thus we seek to provide a gentle reminder that life is not limited to your sensory perception and that you can experience as much if not ten times more through the use of your inner perceptions. Does that answer your lovely inquiry?

BRIAN: Yes, it does and thank you so much my dear friend.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:42.

KRIS: Then perhaps a brief pause might be exactly what you need to ponder about the rest of existence.

BRIAN: There you go, John! Does that answer the question?

JOHN: That answers questions you didn’t even ask!

BRIAN: There you go, buddy! All that because we started with that periphery thing.

ANYA: (Speaking softly to someone else) I would just say whatever questions on the dream you have, just shoot it.

(Kris pops back in unexpectedly at this.)

KRIS: We take it you want to go dream hunting? You will then need to take a rifle! The kind of rifle that puts the dream in your sight so that you can focus upon it very nicely. Now someone had a question concerning specific images in a dream. Would you care to reiterate your question?

THERESA: Which one of us was that?

LISA: That was you.

THERESA: Oh, that was me? This is Theresa. I’m not sure if you were referring to me or not, but I was asking about the significance of repeatedly having snow and ice appear in dreams.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, whether we were referring to you or not, now we are!

(Group laughter)

Now, it is always an interesting pursuit to try and find the meaning of the images or the symbols in dreams, do you not agree?

THERESA: Yes.

KRIS: And at the same time, sometimes trying to pursue the exact meaning or interpretation or translation of an image or imagery in a dream can also represent a blockage. It can also create a blockage. It is our humble opinion that there are many times when you can easily put the hunt for meaning of images and symbols aside and instead look at what those symbols are leading you to discover. What are those symbols or images causing you to think about, to explore, to introspect? Where does the trail lead you to? And you might, later on, revisit the imagery or symbols, but not until you have discovered where this journey leads you to. Does that make any sense?

THERESA: Yes.

KRIS: In other words, you will uncover emotional states and experiences, thoughts, ideas, all sorts of feeling-tones and much more and it is quite likely that the imagery is something you created to lead you specifically to a wider area of awareness in that particular concern. Does that make sense to you?

THERESA: Yes.

KRIS: Now as far as your images, they are snow and ice, correct?

THERESA: Yes.

KRIS: In what state do you see them? Do you see snow turn to ice, ice turn to snow, ice or snow separately, together?

THERESA: Usually there’s snow and then patches of ice amongst snow.

KRIS: Indeed, and what is your usual reaction when you see snow in this way? Is it something you find beautiful to look at or is it something that you mumble under your breath when you realize you have to shovel it?

THERESA: Well, it can be nice and it can be pretty, but it’s often something that I worry about when I have to drive in it. I worry about driving in it and in the dreams I was driving.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, it might be, as we suggested earlier, that the imagery of snow and ice leads you to something else, for it may not necessarily be that the focus of these dream images is necessarily snow and ice, but instead what you are concentrating upon and worrying about driving somewhere under those conditions can also be very significant. In your dream you utilize the emotional images of worrying about driving under these kind of weather conditions and we would interpret that to signify that other areas of your life are areas of concern because you might have emotional storms that you are trying to deal with internally and it may worry you about driving through these kind of inner events, things you may be wanting to settle, to put aside, in your personal life. Does that make sense to you?

THERESA: Yes, yes that’s very interesting, very insightful.

KRIS: Any time you see a vehicle of some sort in a dream, be it a plane, train, boat, car, any kind of vehicle, it usually represents a direction of consciousness, a movement of consciousness, fortunately not the kind of movement you get with consciousness bran muffins, but moving from one state to another.

(Group laughter)

You utilize the imagery of a vehicle because a vehicle goes, it moves, it takes you from point A to point B. So your awareness, your consciousness, takes you from point A to point B, which would be another kind of inner state, and it is likely that there are unaddressed concerns about moving from one state of mind to another for yourself. Does that make sense?

THERESA: Yes, very much so.

KRIS: You might like to daydream, as we suggested earlier, recreating the imagery, but creating perhaps warmth and sunshine to the point where the snow and ice become inconsequential and you further add the feeling in the dream that you feel more secure in driving under those conditions and see what kind of results you get from this kind of dream experience whilst you are awake.

THERESA: Yes. Thank you.

KRIS: All of you have a conscious mind. Often it is considered the bastard child of consciousness, sometimes even considered best beaten to a pulp and sacrificed so that you do not have to think about anything, just BE something. Without the wonderful properties and auspices of the conscious mind, unfortunately you could not necessarily design for yourself what you want to be, you could just be something. The conscious mind provides a framework to your experience of self and it provides the opportunity to utilize great capacities often hardly ever tapped into.

Most people utilize the least amount of their conscious mind for many purposes and reasons, yet when you start to awaken to your consciousness and awareness, you may begin to realize the conscious mind is not the enemy you may have perceived it to be in the past as an impediment or encroachment upon your sense of spiritual freedom, but instead your gateway to that very freedom.

There are many kinds of philosophies concerning the conscious mind and unfortunately many of the more negative conclusions concerning the conscious mind and the ego construction come from the Eastern philosophies that have become popularized in the West because the West itself is still fundamentally entrapped in ideas like the sinful self; that something in you is wrong and flawed and since those beliefs also enjoin that mankind and humankind has utilized its free will to do wrong based upon belief systems of duplicity, then it stands to reason that those western ideas about the ego construction and conscious mind have been adapted so very nicely into the west.

Yet if you actually examine the truth of the matter, you will see that your conscious mind is a very wonderful instrument. However, regardless of how wonderful an instrument is, like a Stradivarius, if you do not have an expert musician, then that Stradivarius will send you running for the hills! But if you get an expert violinist, then that Stradivarius will lift your heart and bring tears to your eyes, tears of joy from feelings that the instrument evokes within you. Do you follow?

THERESA: Yes.

BRIAN: I’m an expert lead guitarist!

(Laughter)

KRIS: Then it is our sincere hope that we put ourselves in that position to assist you in recognizing the true potential of your conscious mind!

(Laughter)

ELLEN: Play on, Kris! I have a dream question, Kris. A little over 24 years ago I had a dream in which I died a very violent death and it involved my oldest child, Kalila. She was with me at the time, only a toddler at that time, and I dreamed that I was shot through the head and died. And it was a very traumatic dream and I woke up having no clue what it could possibly mean. And 24 years later I find out the meaning of the dream and it involved….um…. I was actually looking through the perspective of Kalila at the time because it had to do with a past life focus where SHE died that death and I was, in that focus time, I was somewhat responsible for her having been killed in that way. I was wondering why would I dream that dream 24 years ago and what was the purpose of that time lag? And why would I see the perspective both through her perspective and my own?

KRIS: The time lag only exists in your perception.

ELLEN: Well, I do sort of realize that, but still –

KRIS: Indeed. It is significant in another way: All these years ago you had toyed with the idea of exploring — perhaps without being as informed as you are now — but you had toyed with the idea of exploring ideas, mysteries of the mind, even if you did not call it that specifically. And you would have thought yourself ready to explore these things, as many explorers feel that simply because they buy an explorer’s hat, they are now ready to go into the deep jungles of the Amazon and discover wonders, only to find out they do not like mosquitoes!

(Laughter)

Thus, we are using this small description simply to convey to you that back then you would have considered yourself ready to take on exploring the deeper subjects of life, reincarnation and so on, only to discover that for all intents and purposes, there are too many mosquitoes there and get your ass out of there now!

ELLEN: (Laughing) Well, it was pretty scary! It stayed with me a long time, that dream.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, at the same time, you also allowed that experience, even if you backed off from it, because it prepared you in a certain way to continue exploring, but closer to home as it were, not venturing into the deep jungles of the unconscious. Do you follow?

ELLEN: I think so.

KRIS: You basically got a glimpse of what lies deep in the jungles of the unconscious and decided, for the time being, you are not going there, but you will cultivate a certain degree of awareness and knowledge and wisdom before you ventured back into the deeper areas of this inner jungle. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: I think so. In other words, I had enough sense to back off until I was ready.

KRIS: Indeed. Until you could meet Dr. Livingstone, we presume!

(Laughter)

ELLEN: Thank you, Kris. That makes a lot of sense.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:06.

KRIS: Perhaps there are one or two more inquiries?

MARK: I just want to comment that what you just said to Ellen really resonates with me because I had dreams as a child that were more exploratory in nature that I’m only just discovering now. I just wanted to acknowledge that.

KRIS: Indeed, and you will find that some of the dreams you come across today, you may not be ready to explore for many more years, but you always send yourself a little forewarning, not necessarily in a negative sense, but simply a note to say to youself that when you get to this stage, then indeed more adventures are awaiting you, as any explorer worth his or her salt will always want to continue. One discovery is never enough!

MARK: So as we reap the crops in one field, we’re sowing seeds in another.

KRIS: Indeed. You are always such busy bodies!

ELLEN: It gives added reason for writing your dreams down.

KRIS: Now then, we will take leave of your lovely and curious selves, allowing you to discover the wonders that are already awaiting inside and we thank you for your lovely consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: And I thank everybody out there for participating in the “Discourse on Dreams” book!

(Laughter)

Detailed Roll Call:

Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), and John (Sohars)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Cathy (Segova) and Brian (El-Don)
Utah: Anya (Greensleeves)
Hawaii: Tom (Desiré)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar)
Ottawa: Theresa, Marlene, Matt (William) and Nicole (Meredith)

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