Magical Properties of Consciousness

July 29, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 29, 2007
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), David (Elohim), Lorraine (Saggan), Marsha (Or-Inna), John (Sohars), David H. (Valance) Patricia (Lilly Blossom), Marion, Matt (William) and Nicole (Meredith)

(7:54 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. Now since we have been driving you pretty hard for the last several weeks, then consider yourselves indeed lucky that we might enjoy an open-ended discussion this evening with your questions.

MARK: Anybody have any questions?

KRIS: Hopefully your questions will be something other than, “Why is blue cheese blue?”

(Group chuckling)

Hopefully you know what color Napoleon’s white horse is…. (Pause)….It is so rare that you are all stumped! Inquiries?

MARK: I’m glad we’re not on the radio!

MATT: I feel like we are!

(Laughter)

MARK: The one guy with the questions doesn’t show up! (Referring to John)

KRIS: Then we perhaps we can ask YOU a question.

(Okay)

Of everything in your life, of all of your life experiences….(Short interruption as the doorbell rings) of all of your journeys, what do you consider that you value the most?

MATT: Sitting here, exploring ourselves…myself anyway. What do you think?

NICOLE: Definitely self-fulfillment and being on the path of better understanding and discovering who I am and releasing….well….acknowledging, addressing and accepting my beliefs of who I am, giving myself more choices.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue…. (To John, David H. and Patricia as they enter the room)… and we had concluded that you might have rejoined Essence!

JOHN: (Laughing)

KRIS: We are glad you have decided to grace us with your presence.

JOHN: Well, we apologize for being late and we thank you for your welcome and recognition.

KRIS: Indeed. (To David H.) And welcome again, and we see you brought your lovely wife.

JOHN: Patricia, this is Kris.

KRIS: Indeed! (Kris’ words of greeting are drowned out by several speaking at once) Now, we were asking individuals, the whole of their life experiences, what they value the most.

LORRAINE: I would say relationships and the good….oh, what’s the word?…signals, signs, of how I’m doing and growing. As the relationships, some of them are easy and fun and some are difficult and not fun at all, some of them are learning experiences, like with a mentor, where I’m being mentored, or where I’m doing the mentoring…relationships to me are awesome. They’re like a bell weather, that’s the word, of where I am, depending on who I draw to me, the challenges and the joys.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else would like to participate?

JOHN: Well, it occurred to me when you asked the question, Kris, I went over my life and I thought what I find myself often stopping and saying is, “Gosh, it’s wonderful just to be, like I’m very very happy to be here.” It’s a mixed thing, certainly, but every once in a while I just really understand how glorious it is to be.

MARK: I have to agree. The Journey. I haven’t always felt that way, but I understand that now.

KRIS: Indeed. How would you (Marion) answer that?

MARION: I would say that it is wonderful to be in a body. I feel that my body responds to the environment around me and kind of like….I’m a bit empathic at times so I can sometimes feel what’s happening when another person gives me clues as to where to work… and it’s all about bringing more light and being more out there, being more conscious, bringing more into consciousness.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else?

DAVID H.: The experience for me is definitely learning things and expanding my knowledge in all different areas. I just soak it up, the more things I learn…everything brings it all in.

MATT: Yeah, I like that too, the learning. It makes me feel alive.

DAVID H.: Yeah, and like a child.

MATT: Keeps things new and exciting and fresh.

NICOLE: I think it’s awfully exciting to know that you know. It’s exciting to know that we are all understanding a much deeper part of consciousness and knowing that we are a part of that and the unveiling of that is definitely exciting, just the search for knowledge and just discovering that inner playground, you know? The experiences that we are creating.

MARK: And meeting our challenges head on.

NICOLE: Exactly.

KRIS: Indeed, and now that you have given at least a perspective, what would you say that your answers provide you with? For instance you (to Lorraine) expressed that what you value the most, or possibly the most is relationships and what you get out of them. What does that do or produce for you? What outcomes do you get from them?

LORRAINE: First of all I love being with people, so relationships are with people….the dialoguing, the learning as well…I think the hunger for knowledge, the thirst — both hunger and thirst — is probably limitless. I’m always soaking up more and when I’m with friends or colleagues or just with a room full of strangers, what it gives me is stimulation, intellectual stimulation, and sometimes emotional. Certainly it’s social. It’s very much rounded.

KRIS: Indeed, and what does your perspective give you as outcome?

MARION: Well, feedback. What you get from relationships is feedback, on how you’re doing and you are relating and interacting with the world.

KRIS: If we may be allowed to paraphrase, for instance (to Marion) YOUR relationship with your body lets you know the state of the world from your lenses, in so many words.

MARION: Sometimes, sometimes really a change….

KRIS: And even when you are not?

MARION: Sometimes (words muffled)

KRIS: (To Matt) And from YOUR perspective? Would this be *****(11:41)

MATT: I feel an overwhelming feeling of excitement to know that I’m learning more about myself and about my creation and I guess it just makes me feel that I have a brighter future to look forward to and more control over today.

KRIS: Indeed. And what does (to Nicole) YOUR perspective provide as outcome?

NICOLE: My perspective, and the outcome that I get from….. I don’t know. I mean I guess that it’s…

KRIS: You suggested that self-awareness is something that you value tremendously.

NICOLE: Absolutely. Self-awareness…. being, reminding myself of who I really am. I mean I said that I know that I know that I know, and it’s becoming more apparent that I ….I mean I knew I was huge, but I’m really, really starting to grasp what that means in a much larger sense. And that’s exciting, and to know, even to be what the process and the work that I’ve been going through in the last six weeks, to be able to feel the difference in how I feel now compared to how I felt six weeks ago is amazing and what that is, is it’s all about going back and remembering who I really am. So I guess the outcome is to become more….what was the word you said? To be self-aware and….I’m kind of at a loss for words, but my outcome is going back and remembering who I really know that I am. The Essence of me, reminding myself of my Essence.

KRIS: Indeed, (to Marsha) and what outcome do you derive from your perspective?

MARSHA: Well, for me I think it’s everything everyone said, but it’s about freedom, a freedom to self-express, a freedom to be my own kind of self and the outcome of that for me is that I get, and I’ve always been able to get and I get to flout convention, not care about what anyone says and just be who I am, and I’ve done that in at least two careers in my life, and along with that comes self-awareness.

KRIS: And you all thought that you would be quiet.

MARK: (Chuckling) Never.

MARSHA: That’s what I’m doing, I’m coming out instead of hiding, sitting on the sidelines and allowing life to just go by and pass and I have now made a decision to participate.

KRIS: That is full of presuppositions, is it not?

MARSHA: (Laughing) Yes, it is full of presuppositions.

KRIS: Indeed. And how does that sit with you?

MARSHA: How does it sit with me? What do you mean? The presuppositions or the coming out and taking action?

KRIS: We mean the entire ball of wax.

MARSHA: The entire ball of wax is that I am excited to be alive now and I have a burning, yearning excitement, joyful and I’m not afraid…it’s sitting very well with me. I stopped biting my nails.

(Group laughter and applause)

And I know that my hands are a representation of what’s going on inside of me and so it’s beautiful to watch.

KRIS: Indeed….And what of….?

JOHN: I just actually wrote down a piece to answer your first question again. Every once in a while I will just stop in mid-moment and say, “It’s wonderful to be alive,” So that was the thing that I value, and what do I derive from this? Joy, it gives me a feeling of joy and just appreciation of being here and that’s what I get out of it. A very happy feeling.

MATT: It’s hard to picture you in a bad mood.

JOHN: It does happen.

KRIS: Those two questions that we asked, fairly simple in themselves, yet the manner in which you received and accepted the questions and the answers you provided enabled you to engage in a certain amount of self reflection, which is also part of the processes involved in self-awareness, self-knowledge. That in itself leads to a deeper understanding of how you function, what kind of creatures you are, what sort of habits, what kind of belief systems, what kind of perceptions you engage and maintain. And this all enables you in a humble fashion to ponder what is usually considered life’s imponderables, leading to the types of insights that can, in context, lead you to appreciate who you are and what you are all about in a deeper, more meaningful way.

And there is an art to being, an art to meaningfulness that for the most part have slipped through the cracks of the foundations of your modern civilization and it is only in more recent times that this art seems to be re-awakening and re-kindling the hearts and minds of men and women and children all over. Because things are changing, your world is changing because YOU are changing. And when you affect changes in your life, the world is never truly the same ever again. Certainly the sun will rise as it always has, it will set as it always has. The clouds will move through the sky as they always have and the birds will sing, the rain will come and so on and so forth.

What will be different is your perceptions of life, thus life becomes a different entity altogether and the ideas that we have presented to you over the last while, especially that your physical reality is a reflection, a confirmation of the contents of your subconscious or inner self, your subjective nature, becomes an entirely different thing. Life is no longer something that happens to you, something you must fight against, resisting at all costs because as you know, resistance is futile!

(Laughter)

Any Borg would know that! And in so many words, resistance truly IS futile simply because for the most part you resist your own nature, that aspect of yourself that does the thinking that does the planning, as well as that aspect of yourself that does the doing, the creating. And no one suffers more than yourself when you feel you must fight life at every turn, that life is a series of little more than injustices and unfairnesses, that you must somehow or other be made to suffer throughout all of these unfairnesses and injustices as if somehow or other the entire universe may be out to get you.

These types of paranoid perceptions are found when there is no peace in the heart and no peace in the mind, when an individual is convinced that he or she must defend himself or herself for every breath taken. And we do believe that you have come to a point where that old life feels as if it used to belong to someone else, perhaps someone you barely recognize now, is that not so?

(Yes)

Is it not nice then to put down the sword and instead take up consciousness as your instrument of creation?

(Yes)

And is it not also enticing and evocative to recognize that whereas you may have believed in the past that you had few choices in life, now what you do, what you decide to do and WHEN you decide to do what you decide to do, is a matter of your choice. Does that not give you a perspective on existence unlike any you would have thought possible growing up in the world? And what pray tell do you think is the one principle involved here that is shared within ALL of your answers, even if the answers are very different or very similar, there is still one notion that threads its way through all of your answers.

LORRAINE: Is that awareness?

KRIS: It is very close.

MATT: Is it feeling? A feeling?

KRIS: To have awareness, to have feelings, we mean with other things.

(indecipherable comments)

KRIS: Consciousness. What do you think that little notion enables you to do?

MARK: Everything.

MATT: Everything and anything.

KRIS: And why is that?

JOHN: Because it is everything and anything.

LORRAINE: I think it’s the difference between being awake and being asleep.

MATT: Or being a creator and being a victim.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Without consciousness we’ve got nothing else.

LORRAINE: It’s all there is.

KRIS: Indeed, because that is what you are. And the more you come to that realization, the more you discover that everything IS consciousness, and that consciousness is molded, it is shaped, it is formed, it is given expression through the auspices of numerous innate qualities, threads and characteristics that are found not only within your personalities but within your being: your thoughts, your feelings and emotions, your perceptions, your imagination and everything related to the subjective. And thus everything related to the subjective does what?

JOHN: Shapes consciousness?

KRIS: It becomes what?

MATT: Experience?

KRIS: Just one little thing. It starts with an “O.”

LORRAINE: Opportunity?

KRIS: It could very well be opportunity.

LORRAINE: Openness?

KRIS: Outside.

LORRAINE: Outside?

MATT: Outcomes.

KRIS: And outside which is the outcome.

MARK: Thoughts make things.

KRIS: In so many words, yes. So all of your various and multitudinous subjective experiences are used by you to form the apparent external outside world through which you gauge, measure and confirm that your inner states — desirable or undesirable at this point is not so relevant — but that all of your inner states, to one degree or another, work whether the outcome is desirable or undesirable, but it works. It is an incredible process. It is consciousness. And when something works, and is a desirable outcome in that way, very often you pay very little heed to it. You might smile, feel some degree of pleasure and accomplishment, and when something is not so desirable, what do you do?

JOHN: Resist, deny, push it away.

MARK: Blame.

MATT: Beat ourselves up.

KRIS: Indeed. Sometimes to an inordinate degree. Sometimes in a way you would not even do to another. Yet, if you recognize your processes when you recognize an undesirable state and you know you wish to create a desirable state, what would be the first thing to do?

MARK: Pay attention to your thoughts.

LORRAINE: Pay attention to you FEELINGS!

MARK: Everything. Pay attention, period.

KRIS: Indeed, much less cause for liability than to beat up the next guy for your challenges, correct? Yes, pay attention! Become aware. That is part of the process of developing awareness. Recognize what you do and stop in your tracks. Thus we have offered you many tools, such as the Triple A and so many others and there are many different wonderful ways to interrupt exactly what you have done, what you are in the middle of doing, enhancing and focusing upon the undesirable state, thus feeling even less in your power, correct?

(Yes)

What would be an excellent way to interrupt the fermentation of the undesirable state?

MATT: Jump up and down. Change your physiology.

KRIS: That is an excellent method.

MARSHA: (unintelligible)

KRIS: That may take longer for someone who is in need of shifting that undesirable state, do you follow?

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: We are not saying that this approach is not valid. It can be reflected upon later in a much clearer state of mind.

MARK: Change your perspective.

KRIS: There are very many ways to do just that. Changing the perspective. And an ultra-rapid fashion is indeed to interrupt your state of physiology. How many of you have taken the time to become very acquainted with your bodies, especially when you are in an undesirable state? So what happens to your body when you suddenly feel you are in an undesirable state?

MARSHA: My breathing pattern changes.

KRIS: Indeed. What else?

MARSHA: I get a lot of tension in certain parts of my body. Sometimes I get very hot, uncomfortably hot….

KRIS: As when all eyes are on you?

MARSHA: Nooo…

(Group laughter)

I like all eyes on me! I am a performer, after all!

MARK: We’re not talking about the weather here, either.

MARSHA: No, we’re not….um….yeah I think breathing for me.

KRIS: And what about your body itself, how is it feeling?

MARSHA: Tense, very tense [and] very tight. Restricted.

KRIS: Do you remember a recent episode where you found yourself in an undesirable state?

MARSHA: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Can you go into it now?

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Go right into it….(Pause)…Now you may not notice because it is difficult for you to see yourself from your present perspective but one of the first indications is the face, especially the musculature draws out, next would be the shoulders and if you allow yourself to go deeper into the state, most likely your head would even droop as if you are being weighed down and of course there is breathing, etc. How does it make you feel when you are in that state?

MARSHA: I often tend to move much faster and I usually feel angry.

KRIS: Indeed. Anger is an expression of feeling less powerful, out of step with your flow of energy. Now do you recall a time when you felt fully empowered, fully enjoying your experience?

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: How does that feel?

MARSHA: Feels like I’m….I kind of feel like I’m totally in my body, but totally out of my body at the same time.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARSHA: I don’t know how else to explain it.

KRIS: And if you were EXTREMELY joyous, what would you do? What would your body do? Would it even get up and dance?

MARSHA: Probably.

KRIS: And what would that look like if you were to show others your extreme joy expression?

MARSHA: Oh, it would look like everything on that table would be broken! (Laughs)

(Group laughter)

KRIS: And if you had a way to express that physically, how would you show that to the others?

MARSHA: Right now? Oh, I think I would just be….probably more alert and direct and….my posture would be more…. (someone makes an unheard comment)…No, no I wouldn’t do that!

MARK: An old musical.

MARSHA: Vaudeville! I get very kind of….

KRIS: As if the action wants to take over.

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARSHA: Sometimes when I’m very intensely with someone, I get very quiet…in the now…I can move into the other person. I like that, too.

KRIS: Now, perhaps others have noticed when you were expressing being fully in the moment and in that joy, how your body reacted. Your back straightened up, your head went up, your shoulders opened up, your whole body opened up.

MARSHA: My eyes got brighter…also I get very animated with my voice, a lot more animated, because I tend to be cool normally but I’m really into something, and I’m enjoying it I get very animated. I notice that when I do that, I attract a lot of attention.

KRIS: Now if you had to have more joy than you can handle, what would you do physically?

MARSHA: If I could have?

KRIS: Indeed, if you had it right now, more joy than you can handle.

MARSHA: Mmmm….I don’t know.

KRIS: Would you jump? Would you sing? Would you jump AND sing?

MARSHA: (Laughs) I doubt it!

MARK: Would you sit there quietly with your head down?

MARSHA: I don’t know!

KRIS: The point we are trying to elicit here is that the body enters into that state of exuberance to the point where you know you are full of action and if you had to do a little happy dance as you call it, you would likely do it, at least in the privacy of your home.

MARSHA: Probably between that and singing or something.

KRIS: Now, would you do everyone a gentle favor whilst they observe you? Go back into that undesirable state as deep as you can go. Make it as sad and as deep as you can go….Now do whatever you usually do and however you respond when you are in a state of high joy and excitement.

MARSHA: Can I laugh?

KRIS: Indeed. Right away.

MARSHA: (Laughing)

KRIS: Even if you want to sing and dance, at least express it physically somewhere.

MARSHA: Oh, I think I know what you are getting at.

KRIS: Would you demonstrate?

MARSHA: Well, I just did.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARSHA: So for me it was like being in that situation and changing my whole physiology changes how I….

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: For the sake of the transcript, Marsha was slumped in the sad position, eyes closed, face was drawn, and as soon as Kris told her to perk up, she sat up, leaned forward, smiling joyfully and even her hair popped up!

(Group laughter)

KRIS: You are safe, it is not being videotaped! Would you again go back into the previous undesirable state?

MARSHA: Again?

KRIS: As soon as you are there, switch over.

MARSHA: Okay. (Pause while Marsha follows instructions)

KRIS: Now how does that feel?

MARSHA: Feels a little forced. It feels like it takes practice.

KRIS: Indeed, but not too long.

MARSHA: No.

KRIS: Now go back into the old state and when you come out of it, give it ten times the boost.

MARK: You’re a performer.

MARSHA: Is this an acting thing?

KRIS: It does not really matter.

MARSHA: Oh, okay.

KRIS: Then give it all you have.

(Marsha takes a deep breath and everyone chuckles)

Now get into that feeling very briefly.

MARSHA: The good feeling?

KRIS: Indeed. (Pause) Now, TRY to get back into the old feeling. Where does your mind want to go?

MARSHA: My mind wants to go to…how it, everybody responded.

KRIS: We are observing you.

MARSHA: But in the situation I’m in, because I’ve changed my physiology and my dynamic, I’m…

KRIS: So when we asked you to try to go back to the old state, does your mind instead want to stay in that present –

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: It does not take long. And we can tell you that with very little practice indeed, but some, you can permanently transform, short-circuit and transform how your mind gets into an undesirable state to a desirable state. This took approximately how long?

MARSHA: Less than five minutes?

KRIS: And what would that tell you about what kind of dynamics is available to you to transform your states when you discover you are in an undesirable situation?

MARK: You can change it!

KRIS: And it is very rapid and you can do this within a few moments in the privacy of your own home, or in most places where you are certain no one will call 911.

(Laughter)

MARSHA: But…and certainly it would be REALLY effective if you could do it in the actual situation.

KRIS: Especially then.

MARK: That’s the point, to train yourself to do that.

MATT: If you don’t worry about what other people are thinking about you, you can.

MARSHA: And it’s a choice.

MATT: So what makes people take on the hunched over physiology? Is it a feel thing or is it just a protection thing?

KRIS: Perhaps both and then some. When individuals are in an undesirable state, there is often anger and resentment associated with suddenly losing track of themselves as sense of loss of power, a sense of loss, period. That generates a posture that reflects being in a down state, physically expressing, translating the energetic down. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

You can all easily utilize this simple method to the point where a simple process like suddenly realizing where you are at in your consciousness, perhaps simply straightening your shoulders, back and head could be enough with sufficient practice to interrupt that state, giving yourselves such an edge whereas normally it may take someone hours or even days to get out of their proverbial funk, that you could do the same, get out of it perhaps in only five to ten minutes. You can, with proficiency, eventually recognize when an emotional weather front of undesirable nature appears on the radar screen of your consciousness and become pro-active, change the weather channel, so to speak. If you do not like what the weather man is reporting, change the channel, do you not? At least in matters of consciousness, that is how it works. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And this does not negate that it is in your favor to also recognize why you may have brought these situations and what kind of belief generated behaviors are occasioning the weather front that is undesirable so that you can then go to source and change the process that initiated the weather front in the first place. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Now you had an inquiry?

JOHN: Yes, Kris, I just wanted to summarize for my own understanding….you seem to be saying that when we feel angry, this is a symptom of us losing track of ourselves and the down posture is a result of that, or the physical expression of that and when we want to….when we find ourselves in that down place that we can change that into a more desirable state by in essence faking it until we make it. That’s the expression we have here.

KRIS: Would you truly be faking it or tapping into those resources and states you have already experienced at some point in your life, bringing them together and even boosting by concentrating upon them.

JOHN: Well actually I have thought that through a little bit and if the original cause of the down posture was losing track of ourselves, then the very act of noticing our state and acting to change it is in fact finding ourselves.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: So that the new, happier situation that we’re in is certainly a part of the effect of the new posture and the new energy pattern, but it’s also partly the result of our having found ourselves again.

KRIS: Correct. Thus it is an extremely effective tool to bring you to awareness.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: When you have emotional states that you consider bring you down, your physiology will express it, your handwriting will express it, your language, your tone, everything will express it. You may have people that say, “You seem to have a dark cloud. You are carrying a rain cloud over your head today.” Yet, you did not tell anyone how you felt, but how did they know?

JOHN: Well, they’re picking up all these clues.

KRIS: Indeed. Visual clues, auditory clues.

JOHN: Not to mention telepathy, of course.

KRIS: Indeed. So it is in your interests not only to accentuate your own awareness, or awareness of yourself, but you may even accentuate your visual acuities, auditory acuities, so that when you notice that someone else is expressing that physiology in a down way, perhaps a few good words of encouragement, something uplifting, something that encourages them to lift their physiology up somehow or other, can make a world of difference to that individual. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Sure does.

MARION: What method then if the awareness exists that the physiology is down, but there isn’t the energy to do anything about it, so it perpetuates.

KRIS: In your own self?

MARION: Yeah, in myself and otherwise.

KRIS: Is it that this is a desirable state?

MARION: Yes.

KRIS: Feeling down is desirable?

MARION: Not so much down…sometimes I just can’t do any more studying…I just can’t, so I don’t open the book.

KRIS: That is likely a very different state than when someone is actually feeling down, to be out of sorts in a way.

MARION: It does make me feel very bad because I’m supposed to want to do that! (Laughs)

MARK: “Supposed to.” That’s the perfect clue. That’s a perception.

KRIS: There does come a time during, say, 24 hours where you need to stop reading, you need to stop studying and to do other things. The issues of guilt that you are dealing with are an entirely different matter and that you can use to shift from an entirely different state to one where you are accepting of yourself even if you do not read. Does that make sense to you?

MARION: Yes.

KRIS: It is simply a matter of sorting out exactly what kind of state you are dealing with. It requires a little bit of discernment to sift through the issues.

MARION: Thank you.

MARK: Speaking as a person who has gone through some deep, dark depressions, it’s easy to fall into the trap and lose sight of how to get out and this is a tool to utilize to help pull yourself out or to help assist somebody else pull themselves out. Because once you are in that dark spot, you just see darkness. That’s all you see is the misery, your self-misery and you just get into a hamster wheel and you need something like this to pull yourself out. Sometimes you just don’t know how and this is a how.

NICOLE: And when you’re studying too, if you get yourself in a laughing stage and you laugh prior to studying and you are laughing as you are studying, not only will you enjoy it much more, but you find you will remember a great deal more, because you are changing the chemical make-up of your body, and when you are in a laughing sense and you are happy and energized and excited, it goes in and will stick.

KRIS: You have perhaps of “Laughing Yoga”?

(Yes)

You may even decide to have a one minute break of sheer laughter, whether you pretend that you are laughing or laughing, either one is just as good. It puts the body into that state. The physiology does not really care whether you are pretending or whether this is an actual event, because it occurs in consciousness and what goes in here creates physical outcome. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

So you have then, a very good tool and you can have a very good laugh at your own expense. It is much easier to have a laugh at your own expense than to have someone else have a laugh at your expense. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Now what is the time?

NICOLE: 8:56.

KRIS: Then we are suggesting a small break so that you can move your physiologies.

(Kris returns at 9:16)

KRIS: We trust that you have found many areas of your life where you can put this into practice and implement it, allowing yourselves to experience what you desire as opposed to what is undesirable for you and again it is not that this negates or does away with your naturally inquisitive, inquiring minds as to what kinds of beliefs brought about the behavior. But now you have the opportunity to utilize a resource: your own physiology, your own body in such a manner that it assists you to return to the desirable state, no longer feeling bereft of any knowledge of how to get yourself out of the undesirable state, your own body can be programmed to assist you in that area very quickly. That means no more excuses. We do apologize, thus for having tricked you. You may have to now find other reasons, but all in all, you have a tool and a resource, your own bodies, your physiologies, that assist you. And over small practices of time, this becomes so well ingrained, anchored, and practiced to you that the slightest movement towards the optimum physiology for a desirable state of outcome can rapidly trigger the entire transformation, a shift, within your perception. Now is that not something you desire?

(Yes)

Any questions or inquiries on this particular subject?

MARSHA: What if you… the situations that I was thinking of, I was surrounded by people where there was continuous negative bombardment, and I had to be there, so…

KRIS: When you are aware that you will be in such a situation, you can pre-set your desirable state and regardless of how much rain may fall on your parade, it washes off of you like water off a duck’s back. And that too, pre-setting the desirable state, has a powerful impact. And what do you think may happen?

MARSHA: Well, what I know is that if you make a shift in yourself, then you shift the whole dynamic.

KRIS: What happens to the other people? They run a risk of noticing your desirable state and a few well-placed words, a few well-placed looks from you can lead them to also align with your desirable state in their way. So you want to do magic, do you? Then use your body, use your consciousness in such a way. Who needs Harry Potter?

MARSHA: Absolutely!

KRIS: Why do books, stories, fairy tales, movies and plays about magic inspire and draw so many people?

MARK: I can answer this one. It takes us to the Heroic Dimension. It shows us our own power and the magic within.

KRIS: Indeed, because all of you are magical beings. All of you know instinctively, innately, that consciousness IS magic and to become consciously aware that this is so and to consciously make use of the properties of consciousness is bringing out the magician, the enchanter, the enchantress within you. Transforming your world, because that is what magic does, does it not? It transforms something from one state to another. The frog into the prince, or sometimes the prince into the frog, depending upon which has been naughtier. And that is the very basic premise of consciousness, transforming energy from one state to another. That is the magic that is what you are.

You yourselves are constantly, consistently transforming yourselves in minute ways and in grand ways ALWAYS. And the world around you reflects your states. Would you not say then, that it is to your advantage to make full conscious use of those properties to enhance the magical realities that you create? Thus, know that magic does exist, but not in the way that Hollywood depicts it, but it does exist. And you are proof, living substantial proof of the magical properties of consciousness. You are what you imagine yourselves to be. And no greater proof exists than the individuals that you are and if you find yourselves then, in a state that is undesirable to you, you have now the magic necessary to transform the state into one that is desirable, correct?

(Yes)

Any questions?

MARION: How could we use that to do magical things, like for example affect the weather?

KRIS: That is another issue altogether. What we are concerned about is your reality, because your reality is the outcome of everything you have put in it. All of your subjective states, your feelings, thoughts, emotions, attitudes, expectations, beliefs, convictions and so on and so forth. All these are the building blocks that later become the reality you experience. Thus being a good magician, you would want the outcome to reflect the highest potential within you, would you not?

(Yes)

So that becomes the list of ingredients that goes into the soup, as it were. And if someone experiences a reality that they recognize as truly undesirable, what would it mean?

MARK: It’s a reflection of their subconscious, of their thoughts, their feelings, their emotions…

KRIS: All of the ingredients they have put in it. And what is the one single most, toxic ingredient that you can put in this mixture? The especially toxic self-talk. That reflects an entire spectrum of issues concerning self-worth, self-appreciation, and so on and so forth. Where you are at in your inner dialog is also physically noticeable. If you see someone looking dark and glum, hunched over, face drawn as if somehow or other, life is slowly ebbing from them, you can be most assured that their negative self-talk is on extreme. It is on high and they forgot the off switch. So when YOU find yourselves in a similar situation, you know where your off switch is, do you not?

JOHN: Bite your tongue!

KRIS: Literally. And utilize your body that showed you the state of your negative self-talk to inspire a physiological state that brings about constructive, desirable self-talk. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

MARION: Kris a question. Are headaches a result of negative self-talk?

KRIS: It can be. If one is trying to shut it out, to numb the dialog.

MARION: So by trying to numb the dialog, it turns into a headache?

KRIS: It can. It is not the only, but it can.

MATT: So instead of numbing it, you want to be aware of it, to change it.

KRIS: There are times when of course you need to take some measure so that you can clear your mind. There is no objection to taking anything that will not grossly harm you so that you can alleviate the situation and then regain your composure and then act upon the situation. But of all things that you do, action is the topmost, an act that enables you to go from undesirable to desirable, such as utilizing your physiology. Never underestimate the power of action. Now what is the time?

MARSHA: 9:32.

KRIS: Then we will leave you to act in your world in a manner that transforms your experience of reality.

MARK: Before we go I believe there is a question in the back.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Would you be kind enough to indulge my sister-in-law with her Essence name? This is Patricia.

KRIS: (Pause) You may or may not have noticed, but you would definitely benefit from allowing curiosity about Asian things, preferably Japanese and Vietnamese, because there are two very strong and fulfilling focuses in those particular lifetimes, one where you were Japanese and one where you were Vietnamese. And in reflection of this we offer you Lily Blossom as Essence name. And if you do, simply out of curiosity, investigate either of those two cultures, let it reflect upon you and see where your thoughts go. And with that we return Joseph to your lovely selves, physiology or not.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:34 PM)

Kris Radio: Consciousness Coaching Institute

July 26, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 26, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio. My name is Mark Bukator on thatradio.com and I am here with…

JOHN: You’re here with me, Mark as usual, on a Thursday night for Kris radio.

SERGE: You stole my name, that’s “me”, I’m “me”, now you’re “me”.

JOHN: Oh forgive me.

(Serge is laughing)

JOHN: The noisy, confused guy you can hear in the background is…

SERGE: Hello, it’s Serge. (Chuckling)

MARK: And?

MATT: And I’m Matthew, here on the computer answering all your questions for all you guys out there in Skype land.

MARK: We also have Nicole over on the couch, “Hi Nikki!”

(“Hi” from the background)

MARK: And Hugh on the boards. So here we are once again kids, on Kris radio, and I just have a couple of reminders. We have a couple of one day workshops coming up. The first one is in September, September 22nd, it’s “The Original Goodness” workshop which will be in Halifax on September 22nd which is Saturday. We also have “The Happiness Project” coming up in October, October 13th, and once again it’s a one day workshop right here in Toronto.

SERGE: And the two workshops are described a bit more in detail on our website at Krischronicles.com and right on the front page at the very top, you’ll see the names of each workshop, click on that, it’ll take you to the appropriate pages, that’s where you can sign up, register and come and join us!

MARK: There’s also two videos on “The Original Goodness” one, one shows Serge talking, doing a little intro into Serge, and the other one is a little video of Kris telling us about Kris.

SERGE: They’re not extremely big in size but you can see what’s going on.

(Chucking)

MATT: How about “congratulations to all of the fabulous people that have stepped up to the plate and have taken the challenge to start groups.”

MARK: This is incredible, this is really incredible. We’ve got some big groups out there too. Anya’s group for instance: are all over the world, and they’re connecting through Skype, and we’ve got them on the computer now. “Hi guys!”

We also, what’s really incredible, have a large group in Europe, Tracy’s group throughout Spain and France, Eric and Tracy and Emmy and Ester… I don’t know everybody’s name but there’s a large group in Europe that are staying up late to listen to us so “Hi gang!”

MATT: Now correct me if I’m wrong, they stay up till 3 or 4:00 at night to listen to this radio show?

MARK: That is their time, yeah, isn’t it great?

MATT: Wow! That right there is dedication.

MARK: Yeah. (Chuckling)

MATT: That’s incredible!

MARK: Anya’s group has really flown along nicely. They’ve got… each one of their people are actually forming groups in their local communities and cities and all over North America. I believe there might even be, there’s some in Mexico, Marcos and throughout the United States.

SERGE: Yup! And there are even people in Canada, as far away as B.C. that are interested in getting things going!

MATT: That’s great! Well I know that on Sunday they’re going to have a group phone call, the 10 to 15 core group leaders that are going to be doing some brainstorming on different marketing ideas, ways to get these groups going, and so if you are not accounted for and would like information on starting a group, contact Mark if you would through the website and let him know, and will make sure that we get you the necessary information and share with you some of the ideas that people are going to be using to get these groups going.

MARK: You can e-mail me at Krischronicles@gmail.com, that’s Kris with a K, and will definitely get that forwarded to the right people. Kris is actually going to participate in that phone call as well, not for the full thing, but there’s gonna be a brainstorming session and then the Kris part.

MATT: Wow, how exciting. You know, congratulations to each one of you and you know, as much as this will help Mark, it’s gonna help each and every one of you guys so much, and you know those of you who have mastered this material or have learned this material over the last couple of years to go out and to share it with other people, I think is just, just incredible.

MARK: Best way to learn is to teach.

MATT: Absolutely, so take your hands off of your keyboard right now, and give yourself a pat on the back, you guys are fabulous!

(Chuckles and claps)

MATT: So what do you think were gonna be talking about tonight?

MARK: I’m not sure!

MATT: There’s been… talking a lot about feelings lately.

MARK: “feelings” (singing and chuckling)

MATT: We had a private session this afternoon with my daughter, my 15 year old daughter and her friend. Talk about how fortunate for a 15 year old person to get insights on how to, what to look forward to as they move forward in their life and it was just you know, as much as I love the radio show and the Sunday night sessions have just been incredible and reading the transcripts, there is nothing like a private session.

The private sessions are so, they just hit home! I mean, it’s everything, it’s about you, what’s going on and it’s just, it’s just incredible. I think one thing that Anya was sharing with me at the Lotus Mind workshop is… what she did is she signed up for a whole year of private sessions and then once a month she’d get a session, and then she would work on that session. She would use different NLP techniques, she would listen to it over and over and over again, and then next month have another session and I think that’s an incredible, incredible way. And you know she says that… that last year has just been incredible for her.

MARK: Actually we have a large group of people that are actually doing that.

MATT: Really?

MARK: We’re giving discounts for blocks and it’s amazing how all many people are coming forward and buying a year’s supply and speaking to Kris once a month.

MATT: You know I think that those of you out there who are considering doing that same thing, now is the time to do it because as these groups get started and you know their time is, Serge’s time is used up, its gonna be… probably more and more difficult to get these private sessions, so that might be something that you may want to get started right away.

MARK: And if you’re not a group leader and are looking to hook up to a group in your city, please contact me as well and I’ll definitely get your name out to the local team leader and… because… what’s the premise there is that you can meet weekly, talk about the material and do the meditations or the practices and then every other week, actually connect to Kris directly. And for like $20 a person… 20 bucks talk to Kris directly!

MATT: Yeah, and you also will get a recording of that actual session so you can review it, go over it, and then those of you who have additional questions that weren’t answered in the session, then you can submit questions that will be answered on the radio show and so that way you’ll be able to utilize not only your group sessions, but you’ll be able to utilize the radio sessions as well.

MARK: Very remarkable.

MATT: And you’ll also get to learn what the other groups are doing and the other group programs will also be available on the website that you can, you can download and listen to, so with all these groups going, there’s gonna be so much new good information out there it’s just… it’s just so exciting!

MARK: I can tell you Kris is excited. He loves to talk.

(Laughter)

MATT: Well, speaking of Kris where is he?

MARK: Oh he’s just around the corner I’m sure. (Chuckling)

MATT: Yeah, he’s just saying “come on groups, come on groups, I got so much to say.” No… it’s international you know, it’s just great.

MARK: Okay here we go.

(Pause)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you Kris

KRIS: And as you can see, we are just around the corner.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: We also wish to acknowledge the lovely individuals in internet land, both those who are Skyping and no, it is not a dirty word, and those who are listening to this broadcast in so many different countries and places, your energies are indeed acknowledged and recognized.

Now there has been some question of late as to what can come about from these groups. What kind of things they can engage, what kind of events and situations can they create? And we will definitely address this issue more in-depth on Sunday, of that there is no question. For the time being, between now and Sunday, perhaps you can generate some excitement because what we desire to engage with all of you, is an open-ended system whereby you can engage very specific type of coaching which will be not only practical but extremely useful and beneficial for you, both as you develop it within yourselves as well as sharing it and teaching it with others, with your own groups, and that is what we refer to as “consciousness coaching.”

And at best it is a developmental system whereby innate, natural resources already found within the creative aspects of your consciousness are brought to conscious awareness, therefore “consciousness coaching.” Utilizing varieties of resources and materials whereby we may assist you in developing and furthering your knowledge and engagement of consciousness. Because consciousness is the ingredient that has been neglected, discounted and denied within most of your society’s structures.

As a simple example; your allopathic medical system operates on the premise and the you as an individual are merely the poor victim of unwarranted attacks by legions of germs, microbes, bacteria, viruses, molds, all types of illnesses, and that for the most part, you as an entity, as consciousness, are irrelevant, excepting of course if you do not pay your medical bill, then you are highly relevant.

MARK: It’s interesting too, that they treat us like machines, if a part (is) broken, just replace it or take it out.

KRIS: That kind of a system cannot survive forever based upon those principles because the single most operative principle in all things is consciousness that is what you are. When you recognize that you are, then you are conscious, that is what consciousness is, and that is the single influence for any type of experiences. By recognizing this simple principle, you exercise a freedom of unparalleled recognition. It is the single most potent, powerful medicine, consciousness medicine that you can prescribe to yourself. And when you recognize that you have set up experiences, some of which you may find leading to undesirable states, then you already have the means to return to a desirable state. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: At this point in time yes, you need those systems, because you do not yet fully recognize the extent of your abilities with consciousness but there will come a time when this will change. Thus all medical systems aside, our premise then to assist in the formation of these groups is to engage consciousness coaching. Therefore Joseph may have his own institute, we are offering then to guide another institute, the Consciousness Coaching Institute.

MATT: Sweet.

KRIS: And do know that you will never be sent to the principal’s office.

(Chuckling)

MATT: Wow, that’s nice.

KRIS: So that is our offering to your society at this point in time and it is the beginning of our offering.

MARK: Just the beginning, wow.

KRIS: Indeed. You thought you were in for a ride several years ago.

(Mark chuckling)

KRIS: So it is a good thing that you can manufacture seat belts, you will need them.

(“Wow” and chuckling in the background)

KRIS: Now how are the little typists?

MATT: They’re doing great, they’ve got a great system here. They want to know a little bit more about the consciousness coaching.

KRIS: Sunday.

MARK: Sunday. (Chuckling)

MATT: Sunday, Sunday is your day. (Pause) Wow, the students become the teachers.

KRIS: Any questions or inquiries either at the trough or otherwise?

MARK: I’m excited, but I don’t have any questions right now.

MATT: Yeah, I’m still trying to swallow that excitement of the groups. There was a question that was a little bit off topic but they talked a little bit about the relationship between the enneagram personality styles and the different families of consciousness? Would you like to comment a little bit on that?

KRIS: If you do examine the traits and characteristics, you may also be able to recognize that those traits and characteristics, whether in terms of aligning with or belonging to Essence define what?

MATT: Behavior?

KRIS: What displays behavior?

MATT: Your beliefs?

KRIS: What displays beliefs and what holds beliefs?

MARK: Emotion?

KRIS: Personality.

MARK: Personality.

MATT: Personality.

MARK: We failed that quiz.

(John chuckling)

KRIS: Thus, this can indicate to you that your own developing and expanding personality structure is directly an expression of Essence. It is not something temporal, that you need to shed and become a psychological eunuch, as some teachings are wont to propagate. There are always tendencies in either end of the extremes of personalities. However, a well-rounded personality displays a harmonious orchestration of traits, characteristics, found within its personality structure. These can be described and recognized through the enneagram. Do you understand?

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: So the two blend in very nicely. We hope that this is sufficient at this point in time.

MATT: We were talking today at dinner about Essence and the personality of Essence. John had made a comment at the barbecue that his personality is a common thread in all of his different focuses, so does that mean that my personality that in me, Matthew, is my personality in my Essence William?

KRIS: You will always find those particular kernels in each of your focuses. Some may be radically different from what you would expect from your personality construction, but the personality structure itself can hold extremes in either end of the spectrum, from the darkest shadow to the lightest shadow and everything in between is displayed within the broad panorama of all of your focuses in various ways but still, that core would be present because it is the Essence. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Absolutely.

JOHN: So if I can follow-up on that Kris, that suggests to me that Essences, if we may use that term, are actually quite different from each other in the sense that one might have a certain type of personality and another might have quite a different sort of personality.

KRIS: Indeed, did you think perhaps they were all like stones?

JOHN: No, but I just thought they were all perfect and wonderful and basically the same, and this is very helpful for me to realize that as I begin to understand my personality here, for instance in terms of the enneagram, I’ve discovered I’m a 9, that what I am really uncovering is the personality of Sohars.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And that is quite different than the personality of Joseph.

KRIS: Correct. That is why there are so many billions of you, and each of you are both simultaneously similar and uniquely different in expression.

JOHN: So earlier on in our relationship together, you mentioned that my focuses as Sohars here in this dimension, run the gamut of philosophical, religious and spiritual preoccupations. This makes me think that Sohars is interested in that stuff.

MARK: He did create it after all.

JOHN: And I find that fascinating, so that yeah, there’s something really revelatory for me in understanding that as Essence, I’m not everything, I’m not this undifferentiated ball of whatever, I am a distinct personality as Essence.

KRIS: And you are both.

JOHN: Oh I’m an undifferentiated ball as well.

KRIS: Indeed.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Okay.

MATT: Nice. Lisa Pratt asked a question she says “do we just allow other aspects of our personality to come through and then we will be a different number on the enneagram?”

KRIS: It would not specifically function in that manner. You have your particular ranges within all of these characteristics. In other words, there are only so much data that you can stuff into the hard drive. However, the entire spectrum of the Essence does contain the entire display of all the combinations and re-combinations all together, and within that you have an unlimited number of symphonies that can be played with various musical scores. Does that make sense to you?

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: And still, the major over-all values pertinent to that individual expression of Essence will shine through. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, I think it’s amazing, unlimited in what we can express.

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: There’s another question from Ester, she says “is the personality of the enneagram then related to our intent?”

KRIS: Yes. It would have to be because that is what you literally intend for this life’s display. Now, what you gather from the creation of events and conditions and circumstances, according to your blueprint of intent with the personality that you display. Thus you opportune for yourself such marvelous, creative journeys that it would be difficult to think of the universe, unless one knows it is also part of your personality. So the universe, in its own way, is a reflection of all of your personalities thereby itself an amalgam of those personality traits, for each and every one of you. So you could say that the universe itself has personality. It does after all produce sounds, has gas and…

MARK: Has bad hair days.

KRIS: …and so on and so forth. It even has an occasional hairball, you call them nebulae.

(Laughter)

KRIS: So it has a distinct personality quite separate from another universe in another project of time and space coordinated by other Essences. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Or have you blown a few fuses?

(Chuckling)

MARK: I’ve actually given thought to that, and it’s pretty interesting to sit back and figure out the personality, or observe the personality of a country or a city or a continent or even the planet itself.

MATT: Yea, absolutely. Like the Middle East is a very 8′ish, very might makes right, and the U.S. is very 3′ish you know, success.

KRIS: Indeed, and if you had a number of universes with which you can observe its unique and their unique characteristics, then in the same way that certain countries have a type, so would universes.

MATT: Wow.

MARK: Amazing, huh!

MATT: That’s great. You know Alan has asked if you would shed some light on the missing three personality types that you had touched on a couple months back.

KRIS: We would suggest that this question be asked of Jordan, as he has been able to piece together at least one. They are…

MATT: Is that Robert? Jordan?

MARK: Oh yes, Robert.

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: Robert, you want to give us a little feedback on the one you have discovered?

KRIS: We do not believe that he is on line but he could be. Suffice it to say, that by digging deeper within your awareness will find different combinations that have yet to be expressed. For the time being that is all we will say.

MATT: Okay. Anya asked a question, and she wants to know if your personality, her personality as Anya will be different than her personality as Essence? Or does Essence have a personality?

KRIS: We believe we have answered that.

MARK: Yes, but I think what the question is there is that Anya’s personality can’t contain the whole personality of Essence?

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: It is an expression of…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And that’s why there are so many unique personalities throughout all the focuses.

KRIS: Indeed. And Anya’s Essence will always respect and honor her unique traits as well as that of all the other focuses. Overall however, the entire gambit of Essence’s personality development itself is an open-ended process still unfolding. It is not a static or finished product. It cannot be, because that is strictly from your human perspective. Do you follow?

MATT: Absolutely.

JOHN: Yeah sure, in fact Anya’s and my explorations as a focal expression of Essence are adding to that totality of personality that’s expressed in Essence.

KRIS: Indeed. Do any of you remember when you were children on Christmas morning, so full of anticipation, excitement, wonderment, wanting to open those presents, hardly able to contain yourselves, unable to keep yourselves from ripping the paper and the bow apart, digging into that gift box?

JOHN: Oh yeah, been there.

KRIS: You can say that when you open your awareness, when you wake up to life, which means embracing all of life, you can say that Essence in a manner of speaking, is like the child on Christmas morning, overflowing with joy that the individual focus’ energies are directed in this kind of journey. So in essence, Essence is too titillated.

MARK: That’s a pretty neat analogy.

MATT: That’s incredible.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

MARK: There were some questions being asked to newworldview.com that I couldn’t quite answer but there was confusion over the differences between the Orodin, the quadrants, the clusters, and something else, I can’t remember now.

JOHN: The Uguur.

MARK: The Uguur.

KRIS: We are not confused about it, are you?

(Laughter)

JOHN: Well why don’t I just run… throw something out here and you can just wink at is if it’s pretty close to the truth, okay? And we’ll tell the folks in radio land whether you’re winking or not. So the Uguur are… is basically an “All That Is” type of level.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And the Uguur has a bunch of… throws off… that’s a bad term, but there’s a bunch of entity level things and we don’t really have a term for the entity level I don’t think, but beneath that there is the cluster level, and the Taaj cluster, which is our cluster is one of the clusters of Essences. And within the Taaj, there are a bunch of us who’ve decided to play here on the planet earth as human beings and we are the Orodin. How am I doing?

KRIS: You are doing quite well, you get an Orodin apple.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: And a wink.

MATT: Can I read something that Robert sent to us? Roberts says “the three additional elements could be number one: MASTERY, which is develop self-mastery of the enneagram across the three minds; mental, physical and emotional. Number two: would be GUIDE, assisting others to achieve self-mastery and number three: BEING, transcending the enneagram with integration of all the minds from one perspective to all perspectives; knowing.

KRIS: And what is your observation?

MATT: I think Robert’s a pretty smart guy.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Is that worth a wink?

KRIS: It is worth two.

MATT: That’s two winks, that is great.

KRIS: That is two Orodin apples. We are glad we brought bushels.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. These particular observations can assist in putting the enneagram in a different context. One that can be instrumental to its further awakening, and if we humbly do say so, it is sometimes very practical to have as many tools as possible. Sometimes your species is hard to wake up, you do not hear the alarm, and when you do you shut it off.

(Laughter)

MARK: Snooze.

KRIS: Indeed, your snooze button runs in 1500 year cycles.

(More laughter, some clapping.)

MARK: That’s a brilliant.

MATT: That’s great.

MARK: Why don’t we jump to a break?

KRIS: Indeed, as you desire.

MATT: Thank you.

KRIS: We would not want you to laugh too much.

(More chuckling)

(Musical interlude break)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio here on thatradio.com, I’m Mark Bukator and we’ve been talking to Kris about all kinds of neat things, personality and the personality of Essence and the universe and…

JOHN: The snooze button?

(Chuckling)

MATT: And about Robert’s comment, I think that… I really think it’s interesting, how his comment really fits in well with the groups. You know first of all, mastery, seeking mastery, and then guiding, sharing it with other people and then being, actually being it, which is… I know there was a lot of questions about the benefits of the consciousness coaching, and can’t imagine a better benefit than that.

MARK: I think what we’ve come to right now is a point where the alarm is going off again.

SERGE: Just don’t hit the button, don’t hit the button!

(Laughter)

MATT: Don’t hit the button. It’s time to wake up folks.

MARK: Well it’s pretty fascinating. I’m loving this.

MATT: Yeah, that’s great.

MARK: I think the gang out there in Skype land is too.

JOHN: That’s a nice use of technology isn’t it? And it’s much better than the phone, phoning in.

MARK: Oh yeah definitely, definitely like that, we’ll have to get the Europeans on it, get them interconnected.

JOHN: And it’s great to have Matt as the Skype director.

SERGE: That would make him “Skype meister.”

(Laughter and repeating the term “Skype meister”)

MATT: Well thank you. You know I’ve got a question for you guys here while we’re waiting for Kris. Ester asked if it’s one of the aftereffects of the Lotus Mind awakening is to be able to live simultaneously other lifetimes. You guys want to tackle that one?

MARK: Read that again?

JOHN: We may not need to. I think Elvis is entering the building.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: We could say “who you calling fat!?”

(Laughter)

MATT: Nobody in here!

KRIS: Indeed. Now, you already live simultaneous lives. You are only majorly aware of the one focus with occasional or periodic glimpses into some of the other focuses of your Essence. Do you follow?

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: You have only so many neurological pathways to take in information, developing a full awareness of all expressions of Essence would require being Essence in that sense of the word, taking you completely out of the context of expression, correct?

ALL: Correct, right.

KRIS: So from your perspective, you can get occasional periodic perceptions directly related to some of the other expressions of Essence, but you also need to focus upon your own expression and attend to what calls to you, and not lose yourself in other adventures, that requires a certain kind of balance.

MARK: I agree, I agree, I’ve thought that one through. And who would Mark be if Mark was aware of all of the focuses, I wouldn’t have my joyous expression as I know it and understand it and express it.

KRIS: There may come a time when human awareness can encompass all of these details however, you would need to broaden your concept of the human form and condition.

JOHN: Our heads would be about this big. (Gesturing)

MARK: Now who’s calling who fat!?

(Laughter)

MATT: So I’ve often wondered when I’ve had private sessions with you Kris, if you look at me and see all of my different focuses and have to kind of focus in on “oh that’s Matthew, he’s the one asking the question.”

KRIS: It is a fine thing to say we see energy that is such a broad and vague statement in so many ways. Have you ever looked in a kaleidoscope?

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: And seeing the hundreds of constantly changing shapes?

(Matt confirms)

KRIS: You could say then that when we focus upon any of you individually, we need to sort out all of the various ideas that you hold about yourself as Essence, which is the kaleidoscope, and concentrate on one segment of it, one portion or aspect of it that fits the you that you think you are, and function from that perspective. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh yeah!

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Thus there are occasions when we bring material pertinent to other lifetimes, other simultaneous selves because in some ways it may reflect directly into your own living experience but from another vantage point, and assist you in growing in awareness. Does that make sense as well?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Please continue.

MARK: Any more questions on the computer?

KRIS: It might be interesting to ask Hugh what he thinks of people as far away as Europe listening to the show.

HUGH: It’s absolutely fantastic and just goes to show you how miraculously this internet thing is.

KRIS: Indeed.

HUGH: And great for the station to have people listening from Europe.

MATT: Well thanks for you, for giving them this medium to be able to talk to all these people.

HUGH: Thank you.

KRIS: It is always nice to have you participate every once in awhile, even though you are often silent, you think much.

HUGH: You know I’ve been listening to, I don’t know if you… I’ve been listening, I’ve been downloading the shows from the site cause it’s a different experience to sit in a dark room and listen to the shows than it is to be here, and you know, you get distracted you know, doing stuff, and you know so… I’m just letting you know I’ve been doing that and it’s a totally different experience.

KRIS: Indeed, and are appreciative of that.

MATT: Your next step is a private session.

HUGH: I remember you mentioned that last week in the elevator and I’ve been thinking about that.

MATT: It’ll blow you away. You’ll walk around two feet off the ground, it’s incredible!

HUGH: I’m intrigued, to say the least.

KRIS: Any other observations, comments from anyone else? We believe you still have at least 10 minutes, approximately.

MATT: I have a question from Ellen.

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: It says “today I did an unusual tarot reading from a real live dead guy, Emmy’s World War II focus Yosef, who she channeled, and it was a marvelous exchange, beneficial to us both, and to my knowledge he has not been done before. My question is afterwards, I experienced some dizziness and some brain fogginess similar to the after effects of the Lotus Mind weekend. Any connections there or reasons why I should feel those effects and should I expect that sort of symptomology again as I continue to explore this?”

KRIS: With time, we believe this will pass away unnoticed. And our perception is that still, when you shift your awareness in this way, there is both awe at the fluidity with which it occurs, and at the same time a certain resistance to the idea, and over-all you are simply experiencing a small bit of feeling unbalanced and perhaps a small amount of rest will provide the cure as opposed to prescribing you two aspirins and call a doctor tomorrow, have 40 snoozes.

MARK: I do have to say, Ellen, I think that is absolutely brilliant that you thought of using the tarot in conjunction with past lives, that’s incredible, way to go!

JOHN: Yeah, as a matter of fact, it gives me an idea. I think I’m gonna run the enneagram on all my other focuses and see what they come up with.

(Chucking)

KRIS: You might be in for a long night.

MATT: So I have a question from Anya. She says if I’m a personality type 4 with a 1 and a 5 following, should I focus on developing the 4, and or should I focus on developing my two following types of the enneagram?

KRIS: Focus on developing the balancing, nurturing and supporting aspects of those types that function in unison with yours.

MATT: I’ve noticed that… you know Nicole and I have been doing enneagram seminars for about seven, eight years now, and we like to find out who people’s spouses are, and it’s really interesting that most people will tend to marry people that are opposite of them, and its for that very reason, so they can help to strengthen some of the areas that… maybe their blind spots, maybe the areas that they’re not as strong in.

KRIS: In another sense, if you know you have an Achilles’ heel then you would do what is necessary to strengthen it so that overall you have strength. Our suggestion then is to look at those complementary types that nurture and support the overall structure of your type, to gather a strengthening and supporting effect.

MATT: Yeah, absolutely. Well I know as a 3, I repress my emotions and I married Nicole who is a 9, who’s very emotional, and I can just feel a huge difference in my life. I’m a lot more intuitive, I make better decisions, I’m feeling better, not as much as I’d like, but I’m certainly a lot better than I was 10 years ago.

I think it’s real important for people to not only understand their personality but also to understand the positive characteristics of the other personalities too, because then you can use them as a… like a mastermind group. You know you could even ask yourself “well how would the 9 respond in this situation you know, what skills would the 4 use you know”, and it gives you a lot more choices because it helps you to look outside of your box.

KRIS: Indeed, because these descriptions lead to awareness. Awareness leads to consciousness. That is what awakening is about, so there is a no need to hit the snooze button.

MATT: Well we were talking over dinner, John and I, Mark and Nicole, and Serge… and John was talking about… the enneagram is really a great first step, it’s a great awareness tool you know, it helps you to show not only yourself but even people that are going to be in your groups that… hey, you are creating your reality with your beliefs and here it is, in black and white and it’s a great way to get them to the point where they say “ah, I do have that awareness, now I can start to look at ways that I can create differently.”

KRIS: We take it to mean that you are suggesting that people smell the enneagram coffee.

MATT: Somewhat, sure.

KRIS: Indeed. Any information that assists you to wake up to your greater creative powers and bring home recognition of what and how you create, and the fact that you do create, can only enhance your position. Does that make sense?

MATT: Absolutely.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Thus we are confident that the Skypies…
(Chuckling)

MARK: The Skypies… the pharmacist has something for that. (More chuckling)

KRIS: …are going to continue their excitement about consciousness coaching.

MARK: Indeed.

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: Its a couple minutes to eight.

KRIS: Indeed, anything else to wrap up?

MATT: Just, I asked a question about any feedback on the dreams CD and Tom S. says that he fell asleep before he got to the bottom of the stairs.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Then it is indeed most effective.

MATT: I gotta tell ya, I have, I have listened to it every single night, and I have not gotten to the bridge yet. The only time I ever got to the bridge was when I first got it, which was in the afternoon, and I was just listening, it was only 20 minutes, I think “well I’ll just listen to this, sitting here in my chair, consciously awake” and if it hadn’t been for the phone to ring I never would have got to the bridge either, and so the phone woke me up and I… you know, know I’ve got to the end, but I have not gotten to the end get.

MARK: Why don’t you explain what you’re referring to?

MATT: The dream CD that was put up on the website is… if you haven’t experienced it yet… it’s just, it’s just incredible, it’s just so calming and so relaxing, that you literally sleep within five minutes and I have had the best sleep over the last week and I have been remembering more of my dreams than I ever have had in the past, and I really feel like some of my dreams you know, have been healing me in my dreams, I’ve gotten up with just this incredible, rested, you know, healed type of feeling, it’s just been, it’s just been incredible.

MARK: This is a downloadable mp3, and it’s available on the Kris chronicles website, it’s a 20 minute dream induction.

KRIS: It is called we believe, “Kris deep sleep induction.”

MATT: And do not listen to it while operating heavy machinery.

MARK: Or driving.

(Chuckling)

MATT: No, it’s incredible. I wanna thank Kris for creating that because it has just been incredible, I know for myself and many of the Skypies, and just would encourage you to please give us more, as many as you possibly can cause…

MARK: That is the first of many.

MATT: Good.

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: I’m anxious for them all.

KRIS: If we are going to have an institute, we need to fill it with books, even if digital.

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Now then, we and thank you all for your generous and loving contributions and considerations and may all of your dreams lead you to awareness.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

MATT: And thank you everybody.

MARK: Definitely, I thank everybody out there from all the way from Vienna to Vancouver, and Hugh on the boards and everybody here and have a good night!

MATT: Alright, talk to you on Sunday!

(Session ends)

Psychic Perceptions – Life in Tuscany – Part 3

July 15, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 15, 2007

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Lorraine (Saggan), Marsha (Or-Inna), Joanna (Devana), David (Elohim), Matt, Nicole and Marlene

(7:43 PM)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that our monkish friends are very relaxed!

(Group chuckling)

MARK: Indeed!

KRIS: There are so many different areas of your lives that can be further explored, that not only encourages the pursuit of self awareness but can entice you to recognize that you are so much more than you ever thought possible still. As a brief example, we mentioned some time back that your personality, that which you think is your humanity, is a continuously evolving process and over the last few months, and especially the last few weeks, we have sought to give you further insights into this very process. We have described how certain situations that elicited emotional states in other focuses can bear an influence into this focus, into this lifetime.

You have also pondered the possibility that this personality of yours may even be threaded throughout these various lifetimes or focuses, maintaining a kind of theme, a thread throughout, and we further hope to assist you in discovering that many pockets of emotional wisdom and states literally parade through your own energies adding to and shoring up your personality and its unfolding fulfillment. And as your values, both as a focus and as Essence continues to unfold, it will enable you to dig deeper as it were, to dig beneath the surface of your own emotional situations or states, recognizing that you are in some respects – though the analogy may be somewhat incomplete – you may recognize that the makeup of your personality may resemble a quilt or quilted patchwork. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

That you have brought together many different kinds of emotional states from many different focal expressions and from this vast pool which we have begun to speak about last Sunday, is a great community of awareness. You stitch together, through the auspices of your ego and inner Self, a set of patterns which enrich the foundations of your existence and these are interchangeable to a great degree, so that you can be assured that you are never stuck in a rut, but that you always have opportunities and potentials from which to design, enrich and expand your journey of awareness, so that you will never be bereft of tools, that your consciousness is always open-ended and that the influences of time and space have no hold on the structure of your personality in this way. You could say that your consciousness is, then, an incredible patchwork of aware-ized units of knowledge.

And this may even be in some way compartmentalized throughout your physical body, often for the purpose of drawing your attention to an area of consciousness where there is an action that may require assistance in order to be cleared up. For instance, we will provide you with a small example: This afternoon, in the talented hands of David, Joseph had an experience that transpired almost beneath the layers of his awareness, near enough to the surface of his awareness for him to know that something occurred, but no more than that. For some time he had noticed that on the lower right side of his back there was something that bothered him, though he is not certain yet of the source of this small challenge that did at times irritate him, but did not seem to warrant much attention. Do you follow so far?

(Yes)

During that moment, a portion of his consciousness recognized that that area of the body, literally the lower right and back side of the tailbone area, there was an embedded emotional memory, but not from this lifetime, but from a lifetime expressed in ancient Greece where that particular focal energy engaged as a soldier fighting in a battle was hit and pierced in that area by a spear. Now it did not end his life, but severed nerves so that he could no longer walk. When the enemy came to check for any survivors or wounded survivors on the field he played dead, thus they left him alone. When he saw the opportunity, knowing he could not simply get up and walk, he tried as best he could to break the spear, but could not remove it because it was embedded in the bone, but he did break enough of the handle and thus managed for several days to crawl away from the battlefield.

But by such time his strength had been exhausted and without food or water he ended up starving to death in a far off field, feeling that this particular existence, at its point of departure, left him wanting in certain areas of fulfillment. This also reflects a certain aspect of Joseph’s own drives towards achieving and accomplishing some of his own dreams. The specific emotional hook, if you wish, still buried within the body, lifted, and a certain kind of healing can occur on several paths, not only for this particular focus, but also for the focus during that ancient Greek time. So this fulfilled several purposes and because the situation was resolved in the moment in this lifetime, in the present, then the so-called past was re-interpreted in such a manner that this Greek soldier’s sense of fulfillment was also altered. His perceptions were recognized as different. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Now this does not necessarily mean that for every little boo-boo that you have, you must search the annals of time and space, looking for a focal personality that more or less screwed up on you! (Group laughter) But it can give you an interesting point of departure, an area to investigate. Again, because all of your lives, all of your actions, are an interpretation of energy and you yourselves are an amalgamation of unlimited energies and the flow of that energy can at times feel as if it is impeded, this is one opportunity that you may utilize to begin removing certain impediments, learning some specifics about the nature and interactions of your consciousness with this focus, with another focus, and enrich your experiences. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

This also expands the degree of awareness that you manifest in the sense that you can recognize that much more how your personality, that entire concept of a personality structure, continues in ebbs and tides within the great ocean of awareness that you are. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

And since last we have spoken of your wonderful monastery focuses, we are certain that some of your dreams, some of your thoughts, some of your feeling tones, MAY have resonated with those lifetimes to some degree, giving you much food…and wine!…for thought. (Group laughter) One must never forget the wine if you are Italian, especially Tuscan! Perhaps some of you would like to share or discuss along those particular lines, if you have given it some thought, however monkish it may be!

LORRAINE: I would like to ask, since I was not here the night that everybody found out a little bit about themselves, I would like to know who I was and what type of person I was, and how people related to me and how I related….the relationships.

KRIS: (To John) And how would the great summarizer address that?

JOHN: You spoke briefly about Lorraine in our last session….and all I can recall….you said something about…..

JOANNA: She was a teacher.

JOHN: Yeah, you were an officiator at some….something….

(Several people offer that Lorraine was a teacher of children.)

JOHN: Yeah, a teacher of something…..and loved community because…

JOANNA: She was very good at it and the children were very well-learned and many of them — those who were going to private school — and was very well-organized and she was very conscientious of what she did.

MATT: Was she a “he” or a “she”?

JOANNA: That he did not say, so I do not know.

KRIS: (Pointedly) She was in a monastery….unless of course she was hiding something.

(Laughter)

LORRAINE: I was a HE!

MYRNA: And then you went on to say there was one failing and decided that Lorraine should be here to hear that.

KRIS: Indeed. Now in that particular expression, you were very sharp of mind and because of some of your upbringing, you held a certain kind of resentment. You were from a very, very large family that insisted as soon as possible, all children should work to bring in some kind of income, not unlike modern day child slave labor. Your family unit consisted of at least thirteen siblings. Your mother in many ways resented all of you because having children somehow or other did not necessarily figure on her goal chart, but considering the times, she could do very little unless she wanted to be excommunicated. And your parents owned a small farm. All children were put to work as soon as possible.

You however, were more insightful and intelligent than the majority of your siblings, even your parents, and you did not want to end up picking turnips. You wanted something more, but the more was something your parents could not possibly afford to do, so you became very rebellious and literally intolerant of their situation, feeling it unjust that you would have to suffer that kind of fate when you considered you had greater aspirations. You made it so that living with your family was as intolerable for you as it was intolerable for them to suffer you. You were extremely temperamental and even opinionated. You offered them a solution.

Since, in those days, those who could not afford an education but wanted one had an opportunity to become involved with the Church. There you could learn to read and write and you pursued education in such a manner that you could teach. You had agreed with yourself that if it was possible for you to take others out of similar situations, you would do so. However, you had one small problem. You never completely did away with opinions and certain intolerances, specifically towards those you thought were incompetent. And some of the children that you had in your care did not have or share that kind of vision. They wanted to have fun. They were children.

So you were very, very stern, but you were assured — you assured yourself — that this was for their own good. It was many, many years before you recognized that the pain of your upbringing could not be cast upon the small ones in your charge. Approximately 38 to 40 years of age in that lifetime, you had a deep kind of revelation, instigated by your Abbot in a very deep, profound conversation. At that point you recognized that it might be difficult now to continue teaching and educating others so you went on an extensive pilgrimage all over Italy and into the Holy lands. During your pilgrimage in the Holy lands, you discovered in old, old, very ancient monasteries, you discovered hidden Gnostic writings and you started reading them because you were curious. This troubled you at first because you wanted to stay within the doctrines that you knew.

As a result of reading such materials, your mind changed. Your mind stretched beyond the doctrines that had established the borders of your mind and you discovered new territory in knowledge considered heretical and punishable by death by the Church. You ended up traveling towards the north…northwestern lands of Africa, crossed over into Spain, traveled north towards France, and you joined the Cathars. That was both a liberating as well as difficult experience because the Cathars had already started being persecuted for heretical teachings, and the Cathars themselves had a few distortions.

You ended up at the stake because you did not want to renounce the kinds of knowledge you had come across and were unwilling to close the mind that you had opened up. So you made a decision to not fight but to surrender and give your life up for your beliefs. This particular lifetime you are less willing to die for your beliefs and more willing to broaden the mind. And you may examine where certain aspects of that personality may fit in with yours, because there are threads, as all of your lives, wherever they are in time and space, have their threads……And by the way, you ALSO enjoyed wine!

(Group laughter)

LORRAINE: And what was my name?

KRIS: (Pause) We believe the latter part of your name would have been D’Angelo….quite likely Roberto. As a Cathar, we do not know.

LORRAINE: Thank you.

MYRNA: I’ve given it thought. May I, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: All I know about brother Giovanni besides loving wine…which is certainly a thread in this lifetime…is that I raged at somebody who was fat and ugly. That’s all I know, that’s all you gave me, yes?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: And when I take that into today, rage has continued to play a little bit….a big part of my life…

KRIS: We are glad you corrected yourself.

MYRNA: Yes, thank you…..I thought at one time it might have been Lorraine that I was raging at and we had a conversation about this….at times I’ve thought perhaps not so….What I’m aware of is, when I rage, I’m threatened.

KRIS: Indeed. That would imply what?

MYRNA: I am threatened….well, where I get threatened is when…if it was Lorraine, I don’t think it was in that lifetime….perhaps THIS lifetime! (Both Myrna and Lorraine giggle)…Um, the most important thing is forward movement for me: Learning, and I have people in situations in this lifetime where I have people who don’t want to journey…..so, I don’t know, I can be very judgmental, which means I judge myself first, obviously, so I get scared by certain aspects in some people so that’s when I will rage.

KRIS: Indeed, that is your survival and defense mechanism and it seems to come on all by its own, does it not?

MYRNA: Yeah, and that’s why there’s a need for it….I’m interested in Giovanni, what was my –

KRIS: For the moment, when you think you are raging at –

MYRNA: Roberto.

LORRAINE: (Chuckling)

KRIS: The both of you elicit reactions from each other in that kind of engagement, however, we believe that both of you recognize that underneath those layers there is something even more profound that under ordinary circumstances, you would not — neither of you — allow or even tolerate those kind of expressions if it were from others. That may imply that there is a deeper abiding love which allows the kind of healing that both of you are seeking.

MYRNA: Yes, very much.

KRIS: And one interesting interaction in the monastery that you also made — what nowadays you would call “snarky” comments — towards Roberto, both of you had a relationship but your relationship with wine, or as our friend here likes to call it, “grape extract” (Group laughter), did sour the relationship, but your intolerances at Roberto also added to the soup because you figured that your monkish lover was becoming irresponsible and incompetent and nothing could save him from your wrath and you decided then to end the relationship which only ended up in eliciting a reaction from you back then such that your consumption of grape extract increased until you were more or less a grape yourself!

(Group cracks up laughing)

MYRNA: Which would explain why I got so upset with Matt a couple of weeks ago.

KRIS: Indeed. Now if you notice, firstly, as we have discussed before, it is never about the other AND whenever you find yourselves in a situation where your emotional energies are not to your liking, if you remember, you can then do as we suggested yesterday: you can stop in your tracks and ask yourself, if you can feel this — whatever it is that you are feeling — then you can also allow yourself to feel something else, anything else. You are NOT fated to feel anything you do not desire. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Thus, if you are feeling anger or rage, you can learn to develop enough skill to momentarily pause the program and ask yourself, “What would it be like if I felt something else? What would that feel like to actually feel something else?” and just that kind of a question can radically alter the experience in that moment.

MYRNA: I’d like to share that that happened when Lorraine and I were at Starbuck’s when I shared with you (Lorraine) my rage….my Hitler comes out around Lorraine sometimes, it’s incredible!

MARK: (Jokingly) I didn’t know you were Hitler!

MYRNA: AND I also recognized in the moment that I have never had anybody accept me in my rage the way she does! So that was like just….I mean that was….to me that was so….I felt seen, accepted and loved.

KRIS: And that is where some of your rage DOES stem from: you feel insecure, scared, defensive, thus you throw up your shields. Red alert.

MYRNA: Red alert. Yes.

KRIS: Because you consider that you are unseen. This is unsafe for you and in some ways this is what Roberto D’Angelo did when he decided not to see you anymore…because you were seeing “Mr. Lean.”

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: So I got what I needed just from even imagining why I would be raging.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: And why that comes up for me. It’s just amazing.

KRIS: Now there are other relationships that you both experienced where even the thought of saying something remotely harmful is the furthest thing from your minds and in this lifetime you can bring a good balance, because even if you have a relationship where you could not even dare think of something remotely harmful to each other, that is also not healthy. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: It may be very Pollyanna-ish, but it is not healthy.

LORRAINE: But it’s also interesting how Myrna has a couple of times, just said “I don’t want you in my life anymore. Go.” And I just waited…

KRIS: And who sought you out?

LORRAINE: I just waited her approach and we just came together again.

KRIS: Indeed. Now there is a possibility that in this lifetime the two of you may grow very old in friendship, so you can consider that as well…..Now, we know you will not be knitting together, BUT you will certainly be talking together.

MYRNA: Hopefully in a Tuscan villa.

KRIS: That would be ideal, as long as you take all your brothers with you.

(Laughter)

MARK: Were you there, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed. We, however, were somewhat on the sidelines. It was an interesting focal expression for ourselves. In such times, people from the village would often come and assist during specific times of the year when there were celebrations or special occasions or when the abbot put out the call and we would often come with other women to bring some assistance, whether it was fresh baked goods or food, or assisting in cleaning, because after all, more or less ALL of you were quite smelly old bachelors!

(Group chuckling)

And you once in awhile needed some assistance, but all in all, our participation was in the mode of observation. Our focal expression was in full knowledge of many of your relationships within this timeframe, so we went to see and keep an eye on you, making sure that you all enjoyed your lives as best you could. So we often showed up in the role of a kindly old grandmother who, in your terms, has no existence before or after the abbot’s invitation. You could say we were in some ways, very much like a mother-in-law, keeping an eye on you.

MARK: Grey hair tied back in a bun? Flabby arms?

KRIS: Watch what you call flabby!

(Group laughter)

MARK: The old librarian look.

KRIS: That image has been very useful in many situations.

MARK: It’s very harmless, it’s very safe….

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: It’s very loving, compassionate…yeah, you wouldn’t think twice about the librarian.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other questions?

LORRAINE: I’d like to also know what my relationship with Joanna was in Tuscany.

KRIS: (To Joanna) Do you remember what we described of your particular focus?

JOANNA: Most definitely. I was short, but I do remember!

(Laughter)

KRIS: We will say this to you: you may have been short, but you did not have a Napoleonic complex!

JOANNA: Oh, thank you, thank you. I had two lovers, a mother and daughter — which is what freaks me — and I was involved with the daughter and the mother was attracted to me, so that made life difficult, so I was…balancing…

MARK: Juggling.

JOANNA: Yes.

KRIS: We believe that song may have been made for you at some point, called “Torn Between Two Lovers”!

(Group laughter)

JOANNA: Thank you.

KRIS: Pray do go on.

JOANNA: (Laughing) Well, that’s what stood out most for me. And what did I do…I’m not sure what I did, other than drink….

MARK: You were a brother.

JOANNA: Oh, yeah…my friend here (Matt), who I came into the room and had a serious bonding with as soon as I walked into the room, although he was nice and tipsy, was a street urchin that I took under my wing. I had an affinity for young people, I tried to help them and this was my favorite and….I said, you didn’t say that, I said that I wished when you asked me what I wanted from that night, I wish I had known what had happened to him in the end.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, in that particular monastery, you were more or less in the role of the bookkeeper.

JOANNA: How boring!

(Group laughter)

KRIS: (Mock severely) You have no idea how creative that venture is, actually, when you have to become the cook!

JOANNA: The cook?!

KRIS: The cooker of books. You can simply term it a creative endeavor.

JOANNA: Creative, okay.

KRIS: That is what allowed you the occasional excursions into the other side of life and you knew other people who would often give you donations, not particularly to put into the monastery’s coffers, but to use specifically to aid those children that you could provide assistance, and one of your accomplices was Roberto (Lorraine). In his position as teacher he was well aware of other children and their families even, who were much in need of assistance.

Sometimes the children, or even the parents, were sick and needed help, so a few coins innocently dropped in their homes on some pretense of visits would brighten their lives in many different ways. (To Lorraine) You sometimes assisted. You were well-connected, and one of the frustrations you had with our friend here (Myrna), is that he was also well-connected with wealthy families and would sometimes prefer to indulge in his other preferences than to solicit others. (To Myrna) But in your own way, you assisted many people. Though you would sometimes feel some shame for your behavior, you had an area of compensation when you were sober, which you would sometimes do for many days, more than a few hours!

(Group laughter)

You were a regular font of knowledge. You were well-read and up to date on historical things and delighted in gathering people around you and giving them lessons. You were leaning towards a philosophical expression – poetic – and you would entertain and educate them through the entertainment of your prose and that would earn you praise from your community. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yes. I do.

KRIS: (To Joanna) Now, though you were short in that lifetime, your generosities made you very tall in the eyes of those who assist you and not once did you ever truly take to heart any comments others may have made, because though you might have been short, you had big feet and you knew how to kick!

(Laughter)

KRIS: You do know what they say: Big feet means big boots. And you could wear them well. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:37.

KRIS: Then we suggest a brief monastic pause.

(Break and Kris returns at 8:56 PM)

KRIS: Now then, a simple reminder that the components of your present personality structure have some roots within other focal experiences, but not everything that seems to go awry in your life is the fault of another focal expression. We simply wish to be very clear on this, because much of this kind of idea is rampant in your New Age communities. Still, your present existence is just that: present experience of Essence. But that does not limit you to exploring other expressions and your entire body, which is part of your second mind, can give you access to those experiences in a very enriching way. Simply to try to find out if you were Cleopatra or Joan of Arc or Queen of England because you want to impress your friends with your past life status does not really offer you an opportunity for growth. Do you follow?

(Yes)

You can have far more powerful opportunities for growth by understanding that you may have been a poor mother with many mouths to feed and yet be so filled with love that you would give your life for any of your children. That may carry more weight or impact into your overall personality than simply to find out that you were some kind of high socialite snob.

(Laughter)

The concept of a Paris Hilton is not modern! Now we have described some of your different interactions in that lifetime (To Myrna) and you had an interesting observation, did you not?

MYRNA: About this exercise, yeah.

KRIS: [As if to ask] where is this possibly going?

MYRNA: Yes, it’s a lot of information you’ve given us.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: And it reminds me somewhat of the psychodrama that we used to do where we would really get to….not what I want to talk about, actually, never mind….There has to be lots with each one of us –

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: — in this room that, I think needs to be worked out and will offer us a lot of healing and I can feel my juices really flowing around that possibility.

KRIS: Now if you were to pretend for a moment that you were brother Don Giovanni in the flesh and you could look out through his eyes and see your community of brothers. What would that feel like?

MYRNA: I have the feeling of….longing…that I….I actually feel…..you did say something about we did care for one another and the community would give us something stronger than our family.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I’ve had a longing for community and I have a longing to be as free as possible to express whoever I am as I discover that, as I discover me. That’s my greatest longing. And so I look around and feel that I can do this….I mean, if you know I’m a lush…

(Group laughter)

[Speaking softly and lovingly to Lorraine] And as you know, my rage, and we’re still here….I can’t imagine anything better.

KRIS: Indeed. We did say that you each cared very much and loved each other very much. That meant that you provided a great amount of tolerance and acceptance for each of your various eccentricities any which way you expressed them. You did function within various guidelines but you did not allow the guidelines to dominate your existence. Instead you utilized them to free yourselves from other restraints. So you expressed much freedom, knowing that even if one of you managed to piss off anyone else, you were given the means by which to make loving amends, knowing that this gesture would allow them to continue loving you. That goes for all of you. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

JOHN: May I ask a question, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed!

JOHN: When you say the framework, the means…would that have been within the practices of the Catholic Church? In other words, even when we said we’ve sinned, we could say, “Oh no, the Church has –”

KRIS: Much more than that.

JOHN: More than that.

KRIS: The Church doctrines were less forgiving than the monastery’s own guidelines. Within your walls you had greater freedom of expression. You still observed certain rules, but within the monastery’s own guidelines, you allowed each other far more freedom.

JOHN: I’m getting that that might have been the cause of some of the conflict between the Abbott and the Bishop.

KRIS: Indeed, and much more. And you were correct in that small Freudian slip concerning the “cooker of books.”

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: Your whole purpose was to provide enough for the community in your care. You were much like a mother with many mouths to feed and never enough to feed them with, so you went out of your way. You took sometimes the harsh words of the Bishop. Overall that particular experience was so enriching that you have carried bits and pieces of it throughout many other focuses. You have fed back that value fulfillment upstream into other focal expressions, as it were.

JOHN: A nice trip.

KRIS: Indeed, and that is part of what you call an energy exchange. It is much broader than its implicit word.

JOHN: So that’s really an energy exchange with myself?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And of course with the community.

KRIS: Indeed. And our intent with this is to provide just enough information that you can feel those focal energies perhaps ever so subtly merge their consciousness with yours, even if for a momentary peek into your reality, into your world, into your coming here together, recognizing that exchange and perhaps as one of them or they all merge their consciousness with yours, you can then allow your consciousness the same opportunity to merge with their focus and peek into their world, into THEIR emotions, THEIR experiences, THEIR feelings, THEIR reality. Open the gateways, as it were, and enrich yourselves that much more. IF, for the sake of “if-ing,” you could sense the Abbott’s presence behind your eyes somewhere, in your mind, his soft tone, his ability to stare out the window, seeing the landscape, being mesmerized, not necessarily recognizing that his consciousness has traveled behind your eyes, looking through those eyes into this room. What would that feel like?

JOHN: It feels wonderful, very expansive….it feels like…I’m getting tingles right now in my body.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: It feels…nice. I guess this spooky, doppelganger mirror thing having worked, I can say, “Okay, if I let the abbot look through my eyes then he is going to let me look through his eyes…” and….yeah…

KRIS: And from your perspective right now, what does his life feel like?

JOHN: It’s very….it’s very rich…a lot of people involved, lots of people….he really values solitude, those moments when he can be alone….I think he and I both share a real passion for ideas…not just ideas, though, but ideas that bear fruit when they’re put into practice.

KRIS: Indeed, and what do you think he thinks or feels towards those brothers in his charge?

JOHN: He loves them, he’s pissed off at them sometimes, he feels responsibility for them sometimes, he sometimes doesn’t know if he’s doing a good enough job, he does the best he can though….he feels good, there’s a nice feeling there.

KRIS: Indeed. And how do you think he feels towards his Bishop? What kind of feeling tones arise?

JOHN: Well, there are…. theoretically you know, it’s supposed to be love and Christian things…the practicality of it though, is that the Bishop doesn’t often understand the issues inside the monastery. He sees them from a perspective that doesn’t take into account the feelings of the people involved.

MARK: [Speaking mainly to John] I think the Bishop does, but unfortunately has a role to play. He has a job to do as well, and I think even though he could be a prick at times, he wasn’t always a prick. And I think even maybe because of his own upbringing and that, and I think the bishop has regrets. And I think letting the Bishop look through my eyes….the Bishop feels better knowing that this relationship is [like] this between the two. I think there’s a healing there and maybe that’s what triggers the healing in that focus between us because we did change in our latter years. Maybe it is because we did allow them to peek through our eyes. But it’s important that we give them an understanding into our own selves and into their own selves.

JOHN: The idea that the world within the monastery was more affecting of the humanity involved than even the Catholic Church, which was you know, a little rigid, a little doctrinaire at times.

MARK: Oh, exactly, and that was what his position was, that’s what he had to be up against: his own superiors and his own role. In order to get to Bishop one has to be an Abbott. He has to sort of come up through the ranks and live in a community himself.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: But once you step into those higher politics…it IS politics. And that keeps him playing a role that he isn’t necessarily desiring to be in.

JOHN: Well, that’s interesting. Now in contrast to that, I have a feeling the Abbott LIKED his role.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Felt comfortable in his role there.

KRIS: That is a very accurate observation because the Bishop in many ways, wished he was in your shoes — not WITH you –!

(Group cracks up)

But in those roles, because the monastery’s rules were far more libertarian than the world within which the Bishop lived that created a kind of jealous strife.

JOHN: That reminds me of Marsha’s monk who was a priest, feeling envy of the monk’s experience that she had to toe the line of being a priest. That has different constraints.

KRIS: Indeed. The priest may not always have liked to stay with the altar boys.

(Laughter)

So our point is to encourage a kind of cross-over so that the bleed-throughs actually become part of some of your conscious experience, at least to a certain degree, allowing you to observe how you can straddle two different living experiences within one framework: your personality. That is what the personality provides, an incredible framework that allows a great deal of flexibility. Difficulties arise only when you insist that your personality become very rigid, in a framework, become cemented in the patterns that you are accustomed to. But if you can allow more freedom, your personality breathes, it expands, it allows.

JOHN: Lovely. Well, I already felt that during the break. I’m not sure if you were eavesdropping, but I have already got….the sharing of the feeling tone…what it’s done for me, interestingly, is, it has validated the depth and meaning of the feeling tones that I have in this life.

KRIS: Indeed, and that is the intent behind this intent. It is to allow yourselves to recognize the richness of the orchestra of your feeling tones. You are not simply one feeling tone. You are an orchestration of feeling tones. Consider that you are front and center and before you is the biggest and the best orchestra in the world. And as the maestro taps his baton and all of the musicians get their instruments ready, you sitting there in high anticipation expect, and as the orchestra begins to play, you have a choice and you may even begin by focusing in on some of the musical instruments or perhaps even one in the orchestra, and perhaps after a few moments you focus in on another musical instrument, perhaps a wind instrument, a horn, a string or others.

And eventually to take in the full richness of that great experience you distance yourself sufficiently to take in the ENTIRE orchestra, not only to include all of the instruments and the notes played, BUT all of the various pauses in all the different areas that also make their own symphony, a symphony of silent noise that gives credence to all of the audible notes that you enjoy. That is what the personality framework allows you to do, that is what YOUR experience can be and how RICH it can be. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes! Lovely.

KRIS: Indeed. So the idea then, is to assist you in tuning into one, two, ten, many more of the musical instruments, your various focal expressions throughout time….but one at a time. Does this make sense?

(Yes)

And we directed attention towards this focus of the monastery because for each of you it was truly an enriching experience. So the idea then is that each of you can, as we have suggested, start tuning into that note, whether it is the monk or anything else, listen to its music, let it, allow it, FEEL it come into you….look through your eyes, look through his eyes. Allow the experience and the next time, you can share it with others here. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:21.

KRIS: Indeed then, any other questions for the moment?

MATT: What ever happened to the urchin?

MARLENE: And I won’t be here in two weeks. I was wondering if you could go into a little bit about the Cardinal.

KRIS: (Pause, then to Marlene, the Cardinal) Now, you already have had a little bit more information as to other individuals participating in your lifetime. In the first stage of that role, you were rather selfish, which is one reason why your assistant and mistress tried so desperately to do you in. You did not think you were necessarily selfish, but self-preserving. You were from a well-to-do family that had many enemies and you felt the need to constantly protect yourself and your interests. You could say that you were very rich financially.

Cardinals were not unlike dukes and barons in royalty terms, though they were the dukes and barons and even princes of the Church. And you were also very politically affiliated, which kept you up to date on the goings-on in many other places so that you could feel that knowledge of where some of your enemies were and what they were up to, would keep you safe. You did not notice, however, that some of your other enemies were so close to you. In many ways you were blinded by that kind of arrogance. When you — and only when — you recognized the threat, the imminent threat, did you do a great deal of soldier-ship and did a complete turn-about. You then spent the rest of your existence educating your new assistant. You were more of a parent then than a parent could be to any child. That particular latter part of your life fulfilled you like nothing else could.

If you had had a choice by then, you would have given up the Church, but you were far too engrossed in its own political gains to back out and to back out would have been extremely opposed by your family, because in many ways, you represented their spiritual security, their spiritual investment was with you, so you could not back out. So you decided then to no longer play those dangerous political games and concentrate yourself and give yourself to a different kind of life.

The pursuit of those new values came to you so naturally because in THIS lifetime, the Cardinal had, through his change of life succession, been in touch with you through some dreams and other experiences. When you had a change of life concerning what we would simply call the Holy Spirit in your olden days, is when the Cardinal’s life meshed with yours. Those threads became intertwined for awhile and precipitated his complete change of personality. Instead of spending his last days as a bitter old coot, he spent them surrounded by individuals who actually came to respect and admire him.

MARLENE: And may I share with everyone who would be interested?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARLENE: My husband.

JOHN: (Laughs) I don’t know if he’s ready for that.

MARLENE: I have a wonderful marriage, so I’m….I’m…do I have something to work out here? I mean, maybe I just think that, you know?

KRIS: You have less to worry about than you assume.

MARLENE: Okay. And the assistant was my older sister….and there I have something to work out.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what about our lovely little urchin (Matt)? What kind of observations have you indulged in over the last week?

MATT: Um…I really have been focusing a lot on my feelings and just being more conscious of how I feel and choosing more consciously how I feel.

KRIS: Now the urchin initially was quite rebellious as is the nature of an urchin. Now you found out what the definition of a street urchin in those days was?

MATT: Uh-huh.

KRIS: Would you share that?

MATT: A street urchin is somebody who, by the time they are five, knows how to pick-pocket and kick a police officer in the shins to get away, usually is dead by the age of seven.

KRIS: So in many respects, you got, in that lifetime, a second chance.

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: It was not easy to pick pockets in the monastery, for monks have no pockets to pick! (Laughter) That you found very frustrating, but eventually you came to see that these individuals were not out to harm you, but instead to offer you a different opportunity with life. It took you a little while to get accustomed and to trust them, because as a street urchin, you trusted no one, sometimes not even yourself. So that was an issue of immense importance, to surrender, or to release.

And you can, even in this lifetime, choose to release remnants of your lack of trust because the street urchin did, and as a result, became educated well enough to seek out other street urchins and encourage quite a few of them to trust the monks and end up living a life of great value. And the choices were theirs. None were ever forced. Those that chose to continue their lifestyle found their own fulfillment and those that chose what you offered them, found a different kind of fulfillment with a different kind of experience. Does that make sense?

MATT: Uh-huh.

KRIS: You ended up to be a very successful individual later on, having learned many of the ways that one can compete. You learned how individuals interact with each other in safety and appreciation. You began a commerce, became quite successful, successful enough to find a bride to give you many children that you educated in the ways of the world, giving each one the opportunity for commerce and adventure and fulfillment, each one finding their niche in life and creating experiences for themselves that enriched the community. Three of your grandchildren, themselves in admiration of those that gave you the opportunity to live long enough to become their grandfather, became monks themselves and assisted others, taught, and enriched others’ lives. So that simple action transformed the lives of communities, entire communities. Do you follow?

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: And we believe that deep within your being there is a tone that feels at times that there is an owing of deep gratitude to the whole world for what it has taught you, because you reflect that world. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Now, the point is for you to discover, with the small amount of information we have shared, how you can put that under your bonnet and have fun with it. What is the time?

MARK: 9:35.

KRIS: Indeed then, we will leave you to your wonderful thoughts and experiences.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends.)

Kris Radio: Open Discussion with Matt and Robert

July 12, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 12, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. I’m your co-host, Mark Bukator and I’m here with a roomful of people!

ROBERT: Good evening, it’s Robert Doyle again, glad to be here.

JOHN: And it’s John Hawkins here, back with a different microphone so were just getting used to it, and we have lots of people though… in particular and of a special importance for our purposes this evening, we have with us…

SERGE: Me! (Chuckling) It’s the famous me, Serge, thank you very much. And we also have with us again our friends from Arizona: Marlene, her daughter Nicole and husband Matt.

MATT: Thanks for having us back!

NICOLE: Hi again!

MARLENE: Hello.

SERGE: And we thought you might like that little tune we played at the opening, it’s our new theme song.

MARK: It ties in to our new commercial.

SERGE: Yes! (Chuckling)

JOHN: And who is the artist, what’s the theme song?

MARK: I don’t know. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Oh, okay.

(Laughing)

SERGE: Who knows maybe one day some famous artist will produce one for us.

MARK: So we have a couple of official workshops that are now online on the Kris chronicles.com website, you can link to them via the homepage at Kris, K-R-I-S-chronicles.com. The first one is in Halifax on September 22nd, one day workshop and the other one is October 13th here in Toronto and it’s called “The Happiness Project.”

SERGE: And the one in Halifax is called “The Power Of Original Goodness”

ROBERT: For those of us that haven’t seen the website yet, can you tell us all little bit of what it is?

MARK: You’re not supposed to show them, you’re supposed to tell them. (Chuckling)

ROBERT: Especially the power of goodness, that sounds…

MARK: Well most people have been brought up with original sin… and fear, guilt, shame, blame, and that whole ball of wax. This is to change all that.

ROBERT: Hmm! Well it can all use some more goodness.

JOHN: I actually looked up, just for fun, looked up the ‘original sin’ on Google the other day. I was just curious, as to see what kind of a bill of goods I’ve been buying into for so long, and honestly it’s almost comical… here’s the deal.

Original sin is about the fact that Adam killed Cain, and was kicked out of the Garden of Eden for that and we became subject to death, you know as a result of that, and so that is what is meant… this is the Catholic dogma… that’s what’s meant, is that because Cain killed Abel, we are born, you know as killers and were going to die unless of course we get born again.

MARK: Repent! Repent!

(Laughter)

ROBERT: Well it sounds like a good idea but where’s the justice in that?

JOHN: Well the justice is that Cain killed Abel… Abel… who? Somebody killed somebody.

ROBERT: That’s right.

SERGE: Cain killed Abel.

(Laughter)

SERGE: There’s murder somewhere.

JOHN: And was justly punished… and all his children, right? I mean in a way it makes a weird kind of sense if you believe in Cain and Abel and the Garden of Eden, I mean that’s… you gotta believe in that.

MARK: Ironically enough the Bible says that God would never punish the son for the sins of the father and yet we’re all damned for this. (Chuckling)

ROBERT: Well even more ironically, in Genesis which is particularly interesting and may tie into some of the things that Kris may share with us, is that there are Gods plural in Genesis roaming through the garden. And if it’s true that as the Seth material said, that religion is basically in man a projection of the development of consciousness, then it would make sense that the next level would include Gods as opposed to one God as our multiple intelligences begin to exert themselves.

JOHN: Yeah, I agree with you, I’m at least several Gods myself. (Chuckling)

MATT: The “Original Goodness” workshop is gonna be great. We… Nicole and I interviewed a gentleman by the name of Dr. Stephen Post who is in charge of an organization that actually does research on the positive aspects both, you know… mentally and physically on goodness and giving and caring and loving other people, and it’s just amazing to hear what he had to say about the positive affects that goodness can create in your lives, so that’s gonna be a great program.

MARK: And even more importantly, the loving of Self, being kind to Self.

MATT: Absolutely.

ROBERT: Well if we’re a lot more kind to ourselves, then that other good idea that’s in the Bible, which is to treat your neighbors as you treat yourself, might actually have the positive benefits that it was intended to.

JOHN: Yeah, nowadays we treat our neighbors like we treat ourselves, like shit.

ROBERT: That’s right.

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your multiple considerations.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Or as the topic describes, your divine considerations. As you might be aware, these stories that you find in the books or the writings you call scriptures or sacred texts are attempts to describe and define particular moments in the psychology of consciousness, awareness, and All That Is. These are of course translated… human beings inspired through the venues of their states of inner revelation, their own higher awareness states, again translated through the filters of all of their numerous beliefs, their personal, social, cultural, and time beliefs. So it stands to reason that there would be many distortions and even more so when these same stories or myths are then carried through thousands of years of your history.

Translations into other languages bring OR erase nuances, words can get transposed, eliminated, and the end product usually becomes something quite different than was originally experienced in inner states of awareness. These inner revelations have been so homogenized that they can hardly be recognized from their original source, and still, these translations of translations and so on, still carry a powerful influential impact in your cultures and societies and within individuals because the myths themselves as analogies evoke a deep sense of recognition from the subconscious as the stories are meant to reach the inner self or subconscious, and this is what provides the fuel still to this day.

The transformations and the changes that often, not always, but often occur in the individual that is in need of those specific myths, can experience a state of euphoria, ecstasy, often referred to as an inner revelation, a communication from the divine however the label, because it does just that. It awakens the sleeping divine, that aspect that is in touch with the universe that may have been forgotten for a very long time. These changes will create cascading affects within an individual sometimes so profound that the individual’s entire life will go from night to day, and depending upon the needs of the person involved, that the changes can be far reaching or short-lived.

Needless to say, your present culture is also creating similar mythos that in many centuries from now may also be recognized, distorted, and repeatedly translated to the point where the original is hardly recognizable. And this is the one common thing that all human beings strive towards in one way or another, whether they are professed religious or spiritual or atheist or otherwise, they still seek, search out that greater sense of community because that is what happens when an individual utilizes the bridges found within the mythos, they connect with the larger community of Self, the greater community of awareness and that alleviates a deeply felt sense of fear that they are no longer alone on the human journey of life. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: How that is translated at the conscious, official line of reality level is an entirely different ball of wax. What is important is the awakening within the individual, within the person. That is never lost though it can be denied at some point in time. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. It need not be on this topic.

ROBERT: Is there any sort of technique that we could develop or use that’s based in hypnosis that would help people actually get there quicker or at least accelerate the process?

KRIS: This is a somewhat difficult to answer inquiry, for the simple reason that an awakening must be asked for. It has to be sought out.

ROBERT: Understood.

KRIS: Those that seek it out may also have to clear their storehouse of accumulated beliefs, their acquired beliefs concerning their relationship with the universe. Once that is understood and put in context, it is possible to assist an individual to connect with this deep inner fount that in the older days were referred to as logos and sophos, wisdom and reason. We do not at this point in time desire to get into specific methodologies. These can be developed outside of this medium, meaning radio.

ROBERT: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: But it is possible and it need not implicate anything anyone would consider too woo-wooish.

ROBERT: So using hypnosis as a baseline, is there something that is more direct or more effective or is that about the best we have access to at this point?

KRIS: The best and most effective would be for you to get into that state, then to assist another to become congruent with their resonant state. Does that make sense to you?

ROBERT: Absolutely.

KRIS: Any other inquiries?

MARK: Anybody on the couch?

(Pause)

MARK: A roomful of people and nobody’s talking! (Chuckling)

ROBERT: Alright, so then if I were to get into that state myself, is my being in that state an energetic attraction that would… or I guess state of being that would help the other person I might be working with, almost electromagnetically get in a resonant state of vibration that would assist?

KRIS: Not necessarily in that sense of the word, but your entire physiognomy would be congruent with your state.

ROBERT: Okay.

KRIS: That addresses their subconscious mind. Your words, your tone, would address their own inner state. Subconsciously, the individual would respond to all the cues you give, being congruent to the state. Your entire intent, geared to assisting the other, once you create rapport, once you create a highly agreeable and suggestible state, then the other releases fear and embraces a new experience. They will in their own fashion and time, become congruent to the state themselves as completely as they are comfortable with, as they grow into it, but you would assist them in sowing the seed as it were, utilizing hypnosis, NLP and other modalities, you can assist another generate the state as well. Does that make sense to you?

ROBERT: Yes. Is there an advantage of doing it in groups?

KRIS: Always.

ROBERT: Okay then I guess…

KRIS: Expediency, practicality…

ROBERT: Shared experience?

KRIS: Indeed, increasing that sense of inner community. Because that is, at heart, the core of that kind of a revelatory experience. Awakening the individual to his or her own inner consciousness community, literally assisting another to dissolve the walls, self-made walls, to separate individuality. Do you follow?

ROBERT: Yes.

KRIS: So if you have a group, then you only increase your congruency.

ROBERT: By dissolving the barriers… so well then, can I ask then if there’s anyone in the audience that’s listening to this, that finds this of interest either from something that you could add to it, or something that you’d like to participate in, that you get in touch with Mark through the website and let us know and we’ll see what we can put together and discover together over the next few weeks and see what happens.

MARK: Or you can simply call this number: 416-204-9723, and the line is now open.

KRIS: Now please remember if you do call the line, we are not the desiring to describe methodologies now.

MARK: Correct. 416-204-9723.

KRIS: In the meantime, before the audience rushes telephone line, then perhaps you can continue the conversation. What is the time?

MARK: Twenty-five after seven.

KRIS: Would you prefer to take a small break?

ROBERT: Yes, please.

KRIS: And switch seats.

ROBERT: Okay.

JOHN: Okay.

(Musical interlude)

MATT: All right welcome back to K-R-I-S Kris radio on thatradio.com. We’re continuing our discussion and here in the group were talking about working as a group and learning as a group and I think it’s interesting because over dinner we were talking about starting some groups around the continent and having people get together in… on Thursday evenings, listening to the radio show and then having discussion groups afterwards.

So if you have an interest in starting a group, contact Mark and we would love to help you to start one. I know that we’re planning on starting one in Arizona. So if you’re in Arizona, we would love to spend some time with you on Thursday nights, share some ideas, meets some new friends, some like-minded individuals and you know, work on some of our issues and challenges and fears…

JOHN: Oh and have fun and a lot of nice food too!

MATT: Absolutely.

JOHN: Yeah.

MATT: Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. You know in the last month and that we’ve been here it’s just…

SERGE: It’s all about the food, huh?

(Laughter)

(In the background: “and the drink!”)

MATT: Yeah we’ve… in the last month, has just been fabulous meeting people and it’s been… I know I’m… hope I’m speaking for Nicole and Marlene that we’ve just really have been euphoric… just with not only the Kris information but also the people, and the discussions and the discoveries. It’s been just so exciting and if we can use this medium to help others to experience it around the continent, it would be great because you know, unfortunately a lot of people don’t have an opportunity to go spend a month in Toronto, but they can spend every Thursday night with some like-minded individuals discussing topics that really matter.

ROBERT: And we can have some practical enlightenment.

MATT: Absolutely. I think that what Kris is talking about as a group is so important because you know, we have as personalities, you know, blind spots… areas that maybe we don’t see, and to get together with like-minded individuals that have different perceptions, you know it can be a great, great help.

I know that Anya in Salt Lake City has taken a lot of the information from the Lotus Mind workshop and has put together a great group of people that get together and have conference calls and you know, she’s wagging her tail all the time. She’s so excited about the results that they’re getting and I think we can all learn from that. I think that she is a great example for all of us in taking this material, really using NLP, using hypnosis, and implementing the ideas that Kris shares with us, and implementing it in her life but also sharing it with a group of like-minded people.

ROBERT: And just while Kris comes back, I can say that what kicked off this new relationship between Mark and I in terms of what we’re exploring, was a discussion of something called the Enneagram which we posed to Kris in a session back in June, I think it was.

MARK: Maybe earlier.

ROBERT: And on the spiritual elements and how it can be used for practical purposes beyond just business, beyond just you know, communicating and relating better to ourselves and the people around us, and I now see where this is firing off to the whole next level and we can hope to include much more of the planet as we figure this thing out together.

And if I can put a shameless plug in for a minute, Mark is… sorry. Matt is doing a wonderful seminar for the Ontario Association of Hypnotherapists this Saturday, which the public is invited to attend, the cost is $45, it’s on “Connecting to Enne-Body” which is a play on the Enneagram word and if you’d like to attend, go to our website which is www.oah.ca/seminar.htm and register and hopefully we’ll see you there.

KRIS: Indeed, very nicely done! And as you pursue your interests, you build upon the foundations that you are presently constructing. You will notice quite naturally and effortlessly that there are additions to the house that will continue to appear, as if overnight someone added a room to your home and kept adding one every night thereafter. Because as you expand in awareness, in wisdom, knowledge… the two are different… the world no longer seems as it was but appears as it is, and by that we mean that for many individuals, the world can be a frightening place because of the sensed separation between the individual and the outward phenomenology of reality.

As you grow in awareness, that picture, that representation of the world changes. It takes on a different role, the role of confirming the contents of your awareness. And as your awareness continues to expand, therefore your relationship with its projection also changes. The world becomes the playground for your ideas, for your excitement, for your realization and therefore it will always continue in that process.

And even at and after the transition that you refer to as death, and you realize quite strongly that the stories about death were never fully understood. The only thing that changes is the manner in which the physical reality reflections alter to represent your inner environment still, but simply at the next level. So you always maintain that relationship because that is what you are. And the key factor is the relationship that you have with the world, which is yourself. So that sensed community, whether it is an inner revelatory community or your outer community, you will always have it, it will always be with you. Please continue.

(The phone rang during Kris’ delivery)

JOHN: Oh no, I think that was a false alarm. I’m speaking of the fact that the phone rang, and we thought… all of us here in the studio for just a moment there, thought that it might have been a caller… but no.

(Laughter)

JOHN: No, it’s just us folks, never mind all that talk about community… no, I’m kidding of course.
Kris I think you may have just answered the question I had, I was going to ask before the break. The question I had was… and if you’ve already answered it, you can just nod.

MARK: Nod loudly.

JOHN: (chuckling) You said a couple of sessions ago, something very interesting. You remember that session about a month ago about how we Orodin really resist change, change is difficult for us even though it’s the only way we can grow. And what you said was that “when knowledge and wisdom kick in, you stop fighting change”. Now I think as I was listening to what you were saying about us making a connection with that inner and outer community and changing the world into a playground that… that may be part of that answer.

KRIS: Indeed. And though you stop resisting change, we need to clarify that this does not imply that change stops.

JOHN: Oh no.

KRIS: Your resistance to it is altered.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It becomes a key factor in your understanding of Self. Change will still continue, change will still occur, change will be the means by which you continue to expand your awareness.

JOHN: That makes perfect sense to me because you can’t play a game without everything changing all the time!

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: You know when we, when we were at the Lotus Mind, we we’re real fortunate to meet a gentleman from Colorado by the name of Alan who was a fantastic healer. And in fact when we went to the beach with a group of people, he was… we got to watch him work with a number of the people there and talking about changing their behavior, and the one thing I was noticing as I was watching him, is the one thing that was preventing people from changing behavior… he could go all the way back to an identity thing where they couldn’t… the only people who could not release the behavior because 80 percent of them did!

We saw incredible changes that evening… the people who did not… it was because of an identity thing because they apparently wouldn’t… they’d have that loss of who they are if they didn’t have that behavior. Do you have any suggestions or ideas on how we may be able to…

KRIS: When there is this kind of situation encountered, there are definitely a variety of NLP modules that can be utilized because the changed state already exists within the individual. The difficulty is to transfer self-identification and the gains derived from the unhealthy behavior, even though it is skillfully created and mastered towards the newly sensed identity that has a different, quite healthy and vibrant trait. Do you follow?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: So you can easily provide a bridge. This will definitely reassure such an individual that instead of fearing losing a certain trait, they actually gain a healthy, well-rounded trait. That is the difference between the two. So it is a question of encouraging the individual through various means, to recognize that they stand to gain much more than what they stand to put behind them. Does that make sense to you?

MATT: Absolutely, that’s… you know the understanding of the Enneagram, and learning about the characteristics has been huge for myself and Marlene and Nicole and many, many other people because what it really does, is it shows you what your unhealthy characteristics are, and it’s interesting being here in Toronto there’s such a huge, vast, different type of people, like three hundred and thirty different ethnicities and when you go in and do these Enneagram workshops, regardless of what language they speak, and what color their skin is, they’re still using the same habits, and it’s just been so fabulous to be able to look at your habits because… you know one thing Oprah says is “once you know, you can’t pretend you don’t know.” You know, when you know what your unhealthy habits are, and you recognize that you’re continuing these habits…

KRIS: There are very few people in the world who persist in not knowing what they know.

MATT: (laughing) Exactly.

KRIS: Indeed, and one of them may very well be governing your country.

(Laughter)

MATT: Oh, I’m glad you said it cause you can’t be audited.

(Laughter)

MATT: But it’s been great to understand what your habits are. In fact there’s a book called “The NLP and The Enneagram” which actually talks about different personality characteristics and it actually gives NLP techniques that you can use to help get out of some of those habits and to create more of a well-rounded…

KRIS: Indeed.

MATT: Yeah.

KRIS: As most individuals are eventually wont to recognize, a person develops a skill early in life, and utilizes that same skill repeatedly throughout the duration of their lifetime for every situation, thinking of course that that one skill must provide them with a variety of results. But if you work in a kitchen as a chef, and you have a nice stainless steel whisk, you can do a few things with it. The major part of which is beating: egg whites, cream, pudding, little else. But you cannot go into the street and drive your car with it, nor can you go to the shopping market and buy groceries with it, it is impractical, correct?

MATT: Yes.

KRIS: Though you might be able to do someone’s hair with it, we do not know. However, you must use different skills for these other performances, and it behooves the intelligent individual to recognize that if you try the same thing over and over again and it does not bring the results, hoping the next time, time number fifteen thousand and one will be the jackpot, is more or less futile. Would you not agree?

MATT: Absolutely.

KRIS: The point is then, to use a different skill and develop a different skill, and you can easily assist individuals to develop those other skills, most of which by the way, are innate to human nature. They do not have to be manufactured on another dimension, they are innate to your nature. Problem solving skills can number in the thousands, the point is to develop several of them, correct?

MATT: Absolutely, absolutely.

JOHN: I think we have a caller, Kris, is that alright?

KRIS: Indeed! Indeed!

ANYA: Hello?

JOHN: Hi, is that you, Anya?

ANYA: This is Anya, yes you guys, hi!

(Hi and Hello from the background)

KRIS: We trust that you do not mind that our friends have been talking about you.

ANYA: Well that’s what I heard. (Giggling) And I don’t mind at all!

KRIS: It is amazing how a rumor flies fast. Please continue.

ANYA: Okay, I have a question. And I know we talked about that… I’d probably would like a little bit more specifics if possible… I’m talking about our understanding then when a group of us gets together on the radio or you’re in a Toronto session or an International session, there is so much more that’s really going on than we can consciously officially perceive.

I’d like to know if you want to comment specific on specific things that might be going on. For example, Theresa and David from Lotus Mind workshop, Theresa has been having dreams with David, where David is teaching her, so is this one of the possibilities that in the dream state or in… on the deeper level we’re exchanging information in a way that it benefits us?

KRIS: Indeed and if you recall our discussion just this last Sunday about a great community of awareness, you will see that this describes what you are speaking about. And the venue of your dreams is a perfect place as it is, to continue the exchanges outside the frame of physical experience since physically, you are separated by large geographical distances, but not so in the dream state. In the second mind state you are not separated, the great community of awareness affords you this without any airport tax.

MATT: No customs.

KRIS: So yes, you are each learning from others. Does that answer your inquiry?

ANYA: Right, and the learning is happening on many, many more different levels that we are consciously officially aware, right?

KRIS: Correct. When you remember dreams where others are working and teaching with you and vice versa, that is your translation of deeper subjective communications and these are fine all by themselves, they give you a marker, a landmark that you can identify as a deeper experience, and you can even suggest to your lovely dreams self, you can say “dear dream self, the other night I had a dream where someone else was helping me learn and understand something, dear dream self, can you now take me to the deeper layers of consciousness and explore more of this topic?” And see what happens.

ANYA: And I have of follow up in a sense, question. Will it be possible that another unofficial so to say, intent of a group of people coming together will be to heal possibly some past life experiences?

KRIS: This occurs naturally. You might not necessarily be aware of such a thing of occurring, but we did say that all communications are healing. Thus when you communicate with others, the premise first and foremost is to heal… heal self. The healing occurs in the present moment and the ripples will affect other life expressions or focuses that are also in need of this kind of healing, but everything occurs in the present. Thus when we create a situation where a reincarnational, therapeutic environment is generated, it is done in the present, and from the point of the present, situations of the past can be reinterpreted from a different perspective, thus healing occurs. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: Thank you, thank you, that’s a great answer, thank you very much.

KRIS: You are most welcome.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

ROBERT: Ten till.

KRIS: Indeed, please continue, perhaps there is another caller or you have other questions and topics to pursue.

MATT: Well I had a dream the other night about you, and you were speaking to me in my dream. Was that you or was that my interpretation of you or…

KRIS: That was you.

MATT: That was me.

KRIS: Offering yourself information, but from a deeper layer of Self that normally you might not have recognized, so you utilized a configuration you are familiar with, ourselves, to address your concerns.

MATT: Okay, excellent, excellent, I’ll take more of that.

KRIS: Indeed.

ROBERT: You’re in good company.

JOHN: I think we have a question from the control panel.

KRIS: Indeed.

HUGH: Just a follow-up to that last question, I’m just wondering if when Matthew was dreaming and he was speaking to himself with your voice, Kris and you’re saying that that’s actually Matthew. Is that an extension of the idea that we are all one, the same person or the same entity at the most fundamental level?

KRIS: At the most, we do have to express some care, at the most fundamental of all levels, we can say that nothing exists that you know of. At your fundamental level, you have a connection with all life forms, and at the levels that are part of this dream experience, Matthew would have had difficulties recognizing that part of himself addressing him. It is an area that deals with deep emotional issues and emotional energies. Since he has a trust our energies, his own inner self used that imagery to enable communication to himself. Does that make more sense?

HUGH: Yeah, but now I’m just thinking about the idea that at the most fundamental level, nothing that we know exists… that probably needs more than seven minutes to deal with.

KRIS: You are correct. Suffice it to say, that all of what you know, all of what your species know, all of what the Orodin know, are created within a specific field of action… you call it physical reality. You can also call it “great cosmic sandbox” but outside of that field, what exists, you do not know. You would not know how to translate it into what you know. Is that cosmic enough?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

HUGH: Maybe too cosmic.

KRIS: Indeed. Please feel free to continue and we thank you for your valid question.

ROBERT: So the aspects of Matt that were integrating or getting to know each other, were nudged along by master conductor that exists simultaneously but somewhat outside of that as well, so as to facilitate that.

KRIS: Indeed, you could easily call that his inner self.

ROBERT: Okay, and that part exists between you and the parts of Matt that were working themselves out?

KRIS: Only with Matt.

ROBERT: Only with Matt? So is that similar for the rest of us?

KRIS: Indeed.

ROBERT: Okay.

KRIS: You each retain your individual identities. At another layer, your individual identities are not so much a concern as you understand identity from the three dimensional official line of consciousness, and you experience another kind of individual interconnectedness.

JOHN: (chuckling) I like that.

MATT: Is there a difference between, in the level of healing in dreams that I can recall versus dreams that I cannot recall?

KRIS: There may be some types of dreams that you purposefully choose not to recall, they may deal with issues too hot for you to contend with. There are other dreams that do not necessarily pertain to your conscious self and therefore have no need to appear within that context. There are other types of dream experiences that deals specifically with the larger extent of your awareness perhaps even in other times, places, and spaces. We trust you are not too befuddled.

MATT: Nope, just processing.

KRIS: Indeed. You are all being very quiet.

HUGH: You’ve been given us a lot to chew on.

KRIS: It is good and that you have ordered the children’s size.

(Laughter)

(Yes, yes)

ROBERT: Well before the radio show started tonight, we were having discussions about how many dreams were remember and that sort of thing and there’s quite a variety between… even just the speakers here tonight in terms of… I guess capability or capacity as I’m sure as there is out an audience as well. Is there some suggestion you could give us all to better remember our dreams and get more… I guess value out of them?

KRIS: Desire it. Make that your outcome. There are many techniques available here, there and everywhere to encourage dream recall. Do know that just as frequently as your mind goes through hundreds of processes during your waking state, so does your awareness go through hundreds of dream processes on a nightly basis. You only recall a small percentage: between a half to one percent of your true dream activity. Keep in mind that even your consciously focused attention during your waking hours is a continuous series of dream states.

ROBERT: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: So if you wish to blow a few fuses, ask to recall at least another half percent of your dreams.

JOHN: Wow, yes there’s lots of room for growth there.

ROBERT: As people age and become elderly and before their time of passing on, do they have a greater access to dream recall that we do, who are younger?

KRIS: Again, all depending on the context of the individual’s life. If one has developed and cultivated a state of awareness and keeps expanding it, yes. If one follows the official line of consciousness and is fully convinced that as you age, the body deteriorates, the mind becomes decrepit, awareness becomes stifled, and you need medications simply to function, the chances of your recalling your dreams are minimal indeed. That is strictly at that layer. It does not negate the fact that dreams still exist profusely, but your ability to shut them out also increases exponentially.

ROBERT: With the medication.

KRIS: Indeed.

ROBERT: Is there any truth that when we’re younger, the reason we don’t remember a larger portion of our dreams is that there would be a tendency to become addicted to them and check out of physical reality? And based on the workshop we had this summer, it became really apparent that one of our greatest goals here I guess, is to become masters of the physical world.

KRIS: There is at times, a tendency for the individuality to return to its previous state, its previous non- physical state. It may not yet be fully grounded into its biological and physical expression, and indeed some of do decide the effort can be put to better use elsewhere. Does that make sense?

ROBERT: Elsewhere as in other probable selves existing simultaneously?

KRIS: Other experiences than the physical one.

ROBERT: Okay.

KRIS: As to becoming addicted, you have so many other things to become addicted to, including sensory smorgasbords.

ROBERT: Yup, absolutely.

MARK: Well that’s our time Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. We thank you all for your lovely consideration and may your dreams surprise you.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: I’d also like to thank our guests: Matt, Robert, Nicole and Marlene, and giving me the opportunity to be the couch potato on the show and watch it unfold. Once again though, our website krischronicles.com, K-R-I-S, and our workshops are on-line and with that I’d like to wish you a good night!

SERGE: And thank you thatradio.com!

JOHN: Right on!

MARK: Oh, one more announcement is that we were talking about of the Enneagram, and Matthew’s interview on the radio, were gonna be playing that next so if you wanna stay tuned and catch up on that.

JOHN: Oh great!

MARK: Thank you.

SERGE: Oh great, we get crucified again!

MARK: One more time!

(Session ends)

Brahm: Art of Reality

July 10, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 10, 2007

KRIS: Now then we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: If you allow us to shift the connection or to flip the switch as it were, perhaps our good friend Brahm might like to hold discussions if you’re so inclined.

MARK: Sure!

[Short pause]

BRAHM: We see that you are enjoying the very nice imagery.

MARK: Yes.

BRAHM: Such a landscape is in itself a work of art and if your notions of reality creation are to produce any more beneficial and revolutionary outcome, it needs to be elevated now to the status of an art form as opposed to the present approaches that center solely around an enterprise or business venture.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: And there are many reasons to engage that particular angle. First, because it is in your nature as expressions of essence, and that quality also is manifest within essence because it is a present in entity.

MARK: Yes.

BRAHM: And it is present in entity because that is what the eternals, the Uguur, as Kris has named them, and all other variations do. This is their art.

MARK: I like that.

BRAHM: Such an approach gives you an unprecedented freedom to create from outcome, and at the same time, to not be overly attached to the outcome that you project or focus on.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: When someone is overly attached to outcome, it sours the milk as it were.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: Because such an attachment is solely ego-based as you understand the term, and that’s within your context. And you will find more than enough times, that if you relinquish attachment to outcome, and at least provide your artistic rendition without being overly attached to its one manifestation, the outcome may present itself in many more fulfilling ways than what you may have conceived.

Problems arise when there is an over-attachment to the outcome without permitting the art to unfold. Now all of consciousness, all manifestations of consciousness produces art. Like many of the great masters in your present and your past whose lives in many ways are consumed with their artistic expressions, so is consciousness in its own way consumed with the production of its artwork, but not in the same fashion that you may understand the terms. It does not become obsessed nor attached to outcome or results.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: And that is why there is so much variety of expressions in all areas because there is no restriction to any kind of outcome but there is still outcome. And all variations, all eccentricities have the opportunity to flow easily and naturally and even simultaneously, as you understand that term, and even then, it is still a poor translation of the eventfulness of this kind of art. Even though there is much talk about simultaneous time, the ever present now, the present moment, these are words used to attempt a communication, to take this artful expression outside the normal venues that you deal with, the manner of comprehension fixed within your own patterns and observations. The flow of awareness must be so grand, that you do make attempts to come to terms with the very nature of this art. And the art itself is the reality. There is nothing else but the art and that is reality.

From your perspective, your tools, your brushes, your palettes, your oils and pigments are what you call your feelings, your emotions, your beliefs, and a great manner of other inner resources. And most of your fellow human beings have no idea of how learned and knowledgeable they too are, in the production and creation of this or art. It follows that they would be so talented because their parent or source is, and its parent or entity is, and its parent is, and on and on. You speak of genetics, using such words as ‘genetically inclined’ in your worldly communications to try and explain behavior, do you not?

MARK: Yes, we do.

BRAHM: And yet, you do not really understand what that means. It has nothing to do with X-Y-Z chromosomes, nor the human genome as you think of it. These are again, bio-physiological interpretations or translations of an aspect of consciousness that threads its way throughout the entire spectrum of the art of reality. Do you have questions?

MARK: No, but what from… I’m understanding of this is that we are obviously not taking the time to stop and notice these beautiful creations, and we always seem to have this propensity to be in a place that we’re never happy with our creations and yet they’re magnificent and beautiful.

BRAHM: That has more to do with your perceptions about yourselves and your perceptions about your world in its nature than about reality and its art itself. As your Kris has explained, when you attempt to seek happiness from somewhere other than yourself, you will in many ways be forced to follow that happiness as if it must come from elsewhere. You must follow the pattern of your convictions. They really are the roller coaster. Now, if you do not like where…

(Pause for a passer-by)

If you do not like when the roller coaster is heading, nor even enjoy the ride, then you can stop it, but that is done through awareness, recognizing the values involved. That is also part of your great art. Just like the artist who decides he no longer likes what he has painted or drawn on the canvas. He can, within a few strokes, alter the entire canvas, reorganize it in such a way that he can then create something else. You have that much freedom. Any questions?

MARK: No, no, not at this time.

BRAHM: To return to the art, this kind of production is also to be found of course, and obviously within the dream states and it must be so because it follows suit. And that is where the individual can take cognizant of his abilities and talents concerning this art, this creation. And understanding it from that perspective can radically shift the talents of the artist.

Human beings and other expressions of essence have been utilizing the creative the medium of dreams, upon which, like a canvas, they can draw a different kind of art. Imagine then, an artist in your world, in your waking consciousness, has a canvas. And it is so many inches wide and so many inches tall, and that is all he has to work on. And he more or less has to define his inner art to more or less match the dimensions within the canvas.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: And that is further limited by the mediums that he uses which can be oils, watercolors or any other kind. Whilst the dream artist has a truly unlimited and multidimensional canvas upon which to draw his art, his inner visions, and that does make a very big difference.

Now if your physical artist suddenly, magically transformed his 2 x 5 or 3 x 5 or 4 x 7 or whatever dimension canvas, and that all of his mediums were unlimited in type and product etcetera, imagine what kind of art such an individual can produce. He is not limited to stopping at the edges, but the canvas itself magically keeps adding, so that he can keep painting and designing, and it has no end. And his mediums are no longer pigments and oils and watercolors, but units of perceptions. Notice the word we used…

MARK: Yes.

BRAHM: …units of perceptions, and utilized these with which to create his art. They would, the canvases or the canvas, would literally take on a life of its own, the likes of which are only to be found in the dream state. And he could even create on this canvas, objects such as buildings and rooms that contain other rooms and other hallways that can contain the whole world, all of life as you can think of it, because it too is composed of the same materials. And the more the artist begins to enjoy what he is creating, the more he will create. And we bring this only because dreams, regardless of vast bodies of material already produced by others including Kris, can only give you an insight into their nature, but an insight into something’s nature is not that things nature. Does that not make some sense?

MARK: Yes it does. It’s a perception in itself.

BRAHM: Indeed. Perceptions are very much like halls of mirrors, as are dreams and as is reality, because it is itself, a deep multidimensional art. And the same necessarily applies then to yourselves because you are your own art, your own artwork, are you not?

MARK: Yes, yes indeed!

BRAHM: And the insights you gain into the part of yourself or being yourself or artwork, is not you, these are merely insights. Does that not add some delicious icing to the cake?

MARK: Boy does it ever. I can’t help but think of this dream that I just had either… well probably the last couple of days, and I was going to ask Kris about. But in the dream, I was dreaming, I was sleeping inside the dream, and now I’m beginning to look at it from a totally different perspective, that I have this ability to give life to my creations to the point where they themselves can dream. The art itself is so alive.

BRAHM: That was your way of attempting to understand the foundations of what we are expressing.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: Obviously, someone may at some time wonder why the artist, or artists, will create something like Iraq.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: Or the Holocaust, or other great, great natural or man-made cataclysms.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: And the point and key is, as Kris has mentioned, you are feeling beings. Your feelings, even those deeply abiding in what you call the subconscious, need some kind of expression. Thus collectively, you might artfully draw a scenario that follows its own life based upon the grouping of feelings and tones within that context. There is more than merely engaging it for the sake of engaging it because there is outcome, always outcome. Take your Holocaust, already half a century past, what has been and may even continue to be the outcome to this day? All of that needed a point of entry into your world.

MARK: Obviously it allowed us take more responsibility for creations.

BRAHM: Amongst many other things, but it was necessary. And those artists that participated in that kind of event may not have consciously engaged all the ramifications of outcome, at least not in the conscious way that you think of it.

MARK: Right.

BRAHM: But they would have been geared to outcome. Now we will return Kris to you.

MARK: Okay, thank you.

KRIS: And we will return Joseph to you.

MARK: Thank you both.

KRIS: We are aware of Joseph’s desire, then have at it.

MARK: Thank you.

(Session ends)

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