Kris Radio: Machinery of Consciousness

June 28, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 28, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. I’m Mark Bukator and I do apologize for our late start, but if you were listening to the radio here on thatradio, you’d realize that we had a special treat here on thatradio.com with Dr. Masaru Emoto. Anyway, getting back we have with me…

JOHN: Yes, it’s John Hawkins back again and, without thinking too much about, I wanted to get the doctor to bless my water but then I realized of course, I can bless my own darn water.

(Laughter)

JOHN: And we’re of course blessed with the presence of…

SERGE: Who? Me! (Chuckles) This is Serge, and thank you for joining us on Kris radio at thatradio.com, and it’s another very nice, slightly cooler evening in Toronto. We had temperatures hitting the 40 Celsius yesterday and the day before, so it’s very, very hot… it’s a little bit cooler right now so that’s excellent.

MARK: So… upcoming! Kris has announced a new workshop “The Happiness Project”

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: And we now have an official date.

JOHN: Oh good.

MARK: It is on Saturday, October 13th, here in Toronto. Also, in September, September 22nd, we will be in Halifax for a one day workshop.

SERGE: I think just outside of Halifax, right? In Amherst.

MARK: Yup. More information will come available on the Web. We’re gonna be posting pages on that.

SERGE: So were gonna be out in the East Coast, with the Easterners.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: That sounds lovely!

MARK: I’m gonna actually have to ask Kris what the topic of that one will be, I’m not sure if it’s an extension of the happiness project or not.

SERGE: Oh, and by the way that area, just slightly north of it, in New Brunswick… Acadia is where my ancestors are from…

JOHN: Oh!

SERGE: …so I’m going back to my old, old roots.

JOHN: So he (Kris) might give us a little French there.

MARK: Mais oui, croissant.

(Laughter)

SERGE: That’s the extent of Mark’s French apart from the French swear words I taught him.

JOHN: Well isn’t it nice that, I think Serge you mentioned once that Kris not only speaks French but in some ways you feel that he speaks of better French than you do. I was wondering what that’s all about?

SERGE: I have no clue, but I do know that his command of French, somehow or other surpasses mine, just as his command of English in many ways outstrips my own.

JOHN: Yeah, he uses some interesting words you know, not ordinary words.

SERGE: Nope.

MARK: Serge and I have found we have to keep a dictionary on hand.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Because he’ll pick a word that we don’t know or haven’t used in that manner, I look it up in the dictionary and it’s the perfect word for what he’s trying to relay.

JOHN: And sometimes he’ll pause and say “give us a moment I’m looking for a word”. (Chuckling)

MARK: Well it’s interesting from Serge’s perspective too, he often feels like Kris is rifling through his brain as if he was ripping through a filing cabinet, ripping the drawers’ opening. (With cool sound effects)

(Laughter)

SERGE: Yeah, actually it does feel like that. Just as if he was opening a filing cabinet and going from A to Z on the files in there, looking for that word that he’s wanting and then boom! He’s found it, close the door, and there it is.

JOHN: Great!

MARK: I wish I could peruse the dictionary that fast.

JOHN: Well do we have any hint about what tonight’s discussion it is going to be about?

MARK: No, not as far as I know.

JOHN: Well the good news is, from my perspective, that I’m feeling MUCH better than I was a week ago.

MARK: Oh yes, the vertigo.

JOHN: The vertigo got up and went.

(Chuckling)

MARK: You must have done some “allowing” then.

JOHN: I don’t mean it’s completely gone. I still walk a little bit like a drunken sailor, but…

SERGE: It got up and it started to went. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Yeah, it’s definitely much, much in better. And also you know the huge, the huge differences that I now know what it is and I don’t have to worry about you know, all the… I actually went on the internet and looked up ‘dizziness’. There are quite a number of things that can cause dizziness.

MARK: And maybe you should tell our listeners what the cause was.

JOHN: Oh! The cause was me, processing a great deal of material from the Lotus Mind workshop so I mean in a way, it’s a good thing! I’m reconnecting, or at least making a bunch of new connections subconsciously and as Kris says, cleaning house, and it feels good. In fact I’m beginning to notice these changes ripple out into official reality in some ways as well, which is quite a fascinating thing to contemplate.

MARK: Literally rewiring the brain.

JOHN: Well yes!

MARK: It’s bound to cause some kind of… (Chuckles)

JOHN: I think I’m using 12 percent now.

MARK: Yeah… here we go.

(Pause)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: Now it is our understanding that you engaged an interesting discussion prior to the radio show, during your quick lunch.

JOHN: Yes we did Kris, and Serge gave me a heads up. He says “why don’t you talk about that tonight”, so here we go. I when have discovered, as I have been reading ‘The Early Sessions’, Seth sessions, that time and again, that the same material will be discussed in the session I’m reading, as you bring up, as happens in my life, and I came across a wonderful quote from Jane Roberts where she exclaimed to her husband Rob that she finally figured out why these things were happening in patterns. She noticed these clusters of events, all with a similar theme as well.

And it came home to me when I read that, it was a confirmation of an earlier concept of yours which is that ‘the world is not about the world, the world is about me’, and it’s so tempting for me to think that these are coincidences and all… isn’t it odd that Seth is talking about this, and I’m reading that, and Kris is talking about that, and these events are occurring, and they all seem to been dealing with similar themes. Well it’s not unusual, it’s not odd at all, the reason is that I am dealing with that theme, inwardly, in my own representations, and of course that is reflected in my life.

KRIS: Indeed. As you have correctly remembered, we did mention on many an occasion, that the world is not about the world, it is about you, the individual. Thus you are bound to, at some point, notice that events in your life, in one way or another, in your personal life, are also reflected in the outer circles of physical reality. And when you attend these discussion groups as we have established, you may even notice that parts of the discussion seem to address your own particular issue, often without you having to input any line of inquiry.

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: That is part of this phenomenon that you call an energy exchange, that the information is drawn by the individual through whom we speak and with whom we speak.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Thus we harvest many of those tidbits and organize them in a kind of tapestry that not only suits your own needs but also the needs of the others in the room because as well, and they are each an aspect of you, meaning that you are as such, an aspect of each of them. So you would naturally find overlapping issues in many of your lives. Does this make sense?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yes, it makes lovely sense.

KRIS: And you notice as well that here also, in our own discussions, topics can range from three to five weeks more or less, until there is a slight change in the direction. Though some elements from previous discussions are incorporated, it usually leads to another set of other events, correct?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Oh yes.

KRIS: Because just as the material evolves and builds upon itself, and in different ways, so your own lives also are stepping stones from one area of consciousness that you are exploring, into another area of consciousness, and consciousness has to include your very real human nature and all of its emotional attributes, up to and including what you consider the intellect, the rational conscious mind. These are other kinds of feelings… say, cousins of your overall feeling nature all working together to give you a larger scope of the events of your life. Does this make sense as well?

JOHN: Mmhm, yes.

(Mark confirms)

KRIS: Some individuals often limit their perceptions to one or two, sometimes three frames of these experiences, never necessarily venturing too far from home base, too far from the official line of consciousness, that which they have decreed to be the official representation of consciousness in their own mind’s eye. Then there are individuals who literally entertain a kaleidoscope, a living dynamic kaleidoscope of shifting and changing frames, so that their official line of consciousness is someone else’s unofficial line of consciousness. As it is said, sometimes someone’s leftovers are another person’s treasure trove.

(John confirms)

KRIS: Now this does not mean that you take from someone else’s life, but there is a free flow, a free exchange of energetic ideals that are shared between each and every one of you. You are never separated from each other. It is even biologically an impossibility. You may think that your body ends at the outer edges of your epidermis, but that is only what the senses detect.

Your inner senses however, do perceive that your form is not limited in that same respect. Your own form, which is energy, stretches far beyond the confines of the interpretations of the inner senses and the outer or physical senses. But your physical senses only detect certain bandwidths of energy, and you have become accustomed to operating within those boundaries, much like children coloring within the lines in their coloring books.

(John confirms)

KRIS: Does this make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: In terms of the outer senses, you are indeed limited beings, but in terms of your inner senses, it would truly be difficult to limit the range and the flow of consciousness that knows itself as you.

JOHN: That raises a question for me, Kris. I mean at one level, we sort of say okay, well why did we design that these five senses which in a sense end up almost being like a little prison that we live in, but I’m reminded of an earlier idea that I was working with a while back, which was that the original blueprint of a human being didn’t involve solely relying on the outer senses, it involved a balance between inner and outer senses.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And it’s just the fact that we have the experiment we’re conducting for the last number… thousands of years, is to basically set aside the inner senses and see how far we can get the on the outer senses and I think we’re beginning to see some limitations there.

KRIS: Ever so slightly indeed. As we have described recently in terms of the official and unofficial lines of consciousness. The official line of consciousness, the official self as you understand it, is not a wayward child or a bastard child of the self or the universe or creation. It is not something filled with inequity, something you must disdain and distance yourself from, in order to experience something greater. On the contrary, it is by embracing that apparently limited physical perception that you can begin to experience a fuller scope, a more complete and wholesome scope, of what it is to be who you are.

KRIS: Imagine then, for a marathon runner to suddenly start thinking that if he weighed less, if he was lighter, that perhaps he could run faster and last longer. And the best way to do this then is to cut off those heavy legs.

(Laughter)

JOHN: They’re just holding him back.

KRIS: Indeed. That does not necessarily make much sense and neither does the idea that in order to experience your true self you must divest yourself of its dear physical expression as if somehow or other it has sullied the self. You are not soiled. Indeed if you understood the nature of your own blessed origins and of your own blessed selves, you might blush at the mere idea that you could consider whom and what you are as something distasteful. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Mind you, if you took a bite out of yourself, you might be tastier with ketchup.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: But over all, in the same manner that individuals may be fascinated by… it is Dr. Emoto?

(Mark confirms)

KRIS: And what he’s presenting, understand that you are also mostly made of water as physical creatures, correct?

MARK: Right.

JOHN: That’s right.

KRIS: What would that imply? In light of Dr. Emoto’s work for instance. [www.Hado.net]

JOHN: That would imply that if we had happy thoughts and played beautiful music and did prayers, the way he does with bottles of water, that it would change the very nature, physically change the very nature of our molecular structure in a very positive way.

KRIS: Indeed. The whole idea of being yourselves would be transformed if you chose to allow more of your embracing of that very human nature instead of resisting and trying to separate it. Now it does not mean that you will then begin to walk on water, but it does mean that the water in your body, that is filling your cells, C-E-double LS, would certainly experience a completely different kind of reality. A reality still influenced by your thoughts, attitudes, emotions and so on and so forth, but the results would be almost dramatic, as you are transformed.

JOHN: Well yes, and it occurs to me Kris that, I’m sure that Dr. Emoto the does his work on water because it’s a convenient thing to use but I don’t think there’s anything special about water. I’m sure that calcium and proteins and fat and all the other components of the body are just as influenced by our attitudes and emotions as the water.

KRIS: Because they are suspended in that water.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: And in many ways, as you exist in an allegorical reality, very symbolic reality, water also has its meaning. It, in your own terms and interpretations, it, water represents consciousness as does air, which in its own way is a different form of water.

JOHN: Ah! Interesting. And fire too, I mean you know, why stop there.

MARK: Well that’s the transformation.

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: Energy from one state to another.

JOHN: Oh yes, right.

MARK: Which is something we do very well.

KRIS: You transform consciousness and energy from one state to another constantly, consistently, without necessarily giving it a second thought unless it pertains to your own person, your goals, objectives and intent. There is that portion of self that we refer often to as the subconscious mind, and you must realize that we only make those distinctions because the references are meaningful to you.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: But there is truly no such thing as a conscious and subconscious mind. It is all the same.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: But there are different functions, in a manner of speaking. The conscious mind for references’ sake, is that aspect of self that communicates outwardly and sees to its management, the exchange with the outer senses, and it looks for and detects patterns of energy that it then identifies as specific forms, events, conditions, and circumstances. That is its major preoccupation. Other aspects of self, termed as the subconscious mind are then preoccupied with the automatic functions of the physical form. You do not have, nor have you ever had to think about breathing, correct?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: You knew how to do this from the very first breath you drew, nor do you have to think about making the heart muscle pump and the blood flow, nor do you have to entertain any thoughts about digesting the food stuffs that you ingest. It is all done without a conscious thought on your part, ever. Nor do you have to give any serious thought to getting up, walking across the table, taking something and coming back to sit down.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: You just produce the end result in your mind’s eye and the automatic functions within the subconscious mind activate everything that is necessary to accomplish that goal, correct?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: The subconscious mind has different layers of capacities as well, just as you can quickly image that you will get up across the table on the other side of the room to get something and sit back, and this is all done automatically by your body. So at these other layers of capacities, you entertain intents, goals, achievements, etcetera, that require more intricate planning than simply getting across the room for glass of water for instance.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Or that may involve your livelihood, social interactions, personal interactions of any kind and so on and so forth. This requires a different level of energy and the capacitors in that specific part, of the subconscious of self, are then set into motion immediately. The buttons are pushed, the triggers are triggered, the mechanisms are mechanized and the entire energetic machinery of consciousness is set into motion, and the experiences that are encountered in physical reality, including physical reality itself are the end result.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: The goals and the intentions are what instigates reality.

JOHN: So really we’ve got a pretty awesome… awesome potential there, which we call the subconscious mind, and when we point our attention, our intention and attention in a certain direction, then the subconscious mind kicks into gear and lo and behold, it materializes.

KRIS: Indeed, that is a lot of ‘tion’: attention, direction, intention.

JOHN: A lot of ‘tion’, yeah. (Chuckling)

KRIS: This gives you an inkling of the wondrous capacities that you entertain. Thus this may indicate what? What is the meaning behind all of this? Why do you have such enormous, wondrous and even miraculous capacities no further away than a thought as it were?

JOHN: Why do we have those capacities?

KRIS: Indeed. They are innate to your nature.

JOHN: Cause that’s what we are, yeah.

KRIS: Correct. You are then, very capable and powerful beings.

JOHN: And… you know, a corollary of that is that… just speaking personally here, I’m 57 years old and I only learned about this just in the very recent past, so of course it was all happening automatically. In a way, you could almost say that the subconscious mind was quite a bit bigger when I was younger than it is now. I’m much more conscious of what’s going on. I suppose that trend is probably going to continue… but anyway the point I’m making is that… taking that… taking those ideas to heart really is a very exciting and adventurous because it means that basically I can be and do and have and create and… like my limit… the limits of the experience here are the limits that I set on my own intention.

KRIS: Very perceptive. There is still hope for you then.

(Laughter)

KRIS: That means in many ways, that if you bemoan lack of joy or happiness or prosperity or wealth, well-being or anything, that you have the abilities to transform all of this. That you are not stuck in any way shape or form as you may believe.

JOHN: Well that… that I’m proving that to myself. In fact I’ve proved that to myself today because I’m sure that our listeners, some of them, particularly the newworldview folk, will understand my talking about my job at the bank.

When I got this job at the bank, I was quite anxious about it in the beginning, and that was a little while ago. Now I’m getting to the point where I really enjoy the job at the bank, and this morning as an experiment, in the new capacities that we’re enjoying, I literally said to myself, lying in bed, just before getting up, I said ‘wouldn’t it be nice if today at work there was all kinds of interesting, fun work to do, challenges to address and fulfillment to be had’. Now keeping in mind that yesterday, when I left work, the feeling was that there’d be nothing to do today. I may as well not even come in.

So I had this suggestion to myself this morning and to make a long story short that was exactly… I worked right up until five o’clock and at just two minutes to five, I accomplished the last challenge that happened during the day and I just had a delightful, full, fun, fulfilling day and I’m patting myself on the back because I think I created it!

KRIS: And indeed you did. You could have chosen so many different expressions for that day, some which lie in the realm of most unpleasant for yourself. Yet you chose to make this a meaningful, pleasant, fulfilling experience. And we do wish to clarify, even those who might set out to create for themselves a rather sour kind of day. They too are creating a meaningful expression for themselves.

JOHN: Ah!

KRIS: But two people working in the same office, receiving the same assignments, utilizing the same equipment to accomplish those tasks, may each have a night and day experience.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: As yourself, you had something most delightful to contemplate afterwards, and yet a co-worker may indeed have had a horrific day, full of bitterness and melancholy. But is that truly the day itself that caused this? Or is it something else such as the feeling tones, the attitudes, expectations and moods of the individual? The answer truly is in the eye of the beholder. That does indicate then that you have certain abilities then to transform the nature of your experience. Are there any comments on your parts?

MARK: I’m discovering at work… I’ve had the pleasant opportunity of working the night shift this week, and I’m exhausted and grumpy, (chuckling) but that latter part that you’re talking about, it’s very interesting, because I’m working with a team of individuals right now who are showing all the different sides of that coin. We’re coming in, we’re doing the same job, same tasks, same hours, and it’s very interesting to see the different perspectives and the different attitudes, and therefore the different results.

KRIS: Indeed, as for yourself… simply a matter of collective personal observation. The more you concentrate on how tired you are, the more tired you will be.

MARK: I do understand that and I have been working on that for the last hour now. (laughing)

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: How’s it coming?

MARK: Much better, actually.

JOHN: Oh good!

KRIS: Whenever your energies seem to draw you down, take a hike up.

MARK: I have been utilizing that, and I notice, throughout the course of my week, which is now coming to a conclusion, I go through a… I’ll go… I’ll come in energized even when everybody else is mopey and grumpy and then around three o’clock, I’ll start to decline, but then I’ll catch myself… half an hour later I’ll have a second wind, so on and so forth, but I catch myself observing what I’m thinking and what I’m concentrating upon and how it’s affecting what’s going on around me.

KRIS: Indeed, changing the perspective.

MARK: So even though it’s been a challenging week, it’s been a very enlightening week.

KRIS: It has given you the opportunity to reflect differently upon your energies during the night…

MARK: Oh yeah.

KRIS: …whilst being conscious, and in so many ways, if you take into consideration all the fluctuations of moods during your night shift, you may detect in some ways, they are reflective of states you sometimes experience within dreams.

MARK: Yes, very good point.

KRIS: This can give you an advantage…

MARK: Uh, interesting.

KRIS: …in your study of dreams.

MARK: I remember in the middle of the night last night thinking that ‘I’m really missing my dream time right now’. I really like those communications, but yeah very interesting, and I’m gonna play with that tonight while I’m working.

KRIS: Indeed. The apparent separations between the dream state and the waking state are not what you think at all. In fact there are no separations, but there are perceptions. If you are say, standing in the middle of your house, and you look towards one room, does it mean that the other rooms that are on the sides or behind you no longer exist?

JOHN: That’s right. (Chuckling) No, of course not!

MARK: If the tree falls in the forest…

KRIS: The other room still exists but you are not necessarily paying any attention to them…

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: …in any kind of strong manner.

MARK: I like the analogy of a car with the headlights. During the day, you sort of got that view directly ahead of you but at night, it’s sort of like daylight, you can see all around, above and below that car.

KRIS: Indeed. It is a matter of perception. Thus when you enter the sleep states, you are simply turning the direction of your perception mechanism and change where you look at. Another room in the house, the others are still there, but now you are paying attention to a different room. Does that make sense?

MARK: Very much so.

KRIS: Any other inquiries?

JOHN: Perhaps a break is appropriate.

MARK: Yeah, a nice musical interlude.

KRIS: Indeed then, we leave you to contemplate your perceptions.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: Welcome back! Pleasant little break there, one second here, I’ll get the camera rolling…

JOHN: Yes were back, and during the break…

MARK: Yeah, we were just talking about my night time experiences now that I’m working evenings, and it’s interesting cause I will go into work and that would be the time that I would be normally falling asleep…

JOHN: Right.

MARK: …and my adventures at night would coincide, and I find around three o’clock in the morning is when it hits me, it hits me hard, and that’s probably about the time that I fall into those very deep states of sleep…

JOHN: Right.

MARK: …where I really want to be communicating at those levels with my source, and then of course towards the end of my shift when I know I’m about to go home I’m… a totally different energy about me, and I’m in a more pleasant mood again. And those would be similar to the moods I would be in those sleep patterns, those lighter sleep, those are the dreams that I remember the most, usually it’s just before I wake up, and they’re often very pleasant.

JOHN: Oh!

MARK: So it definitely coincides, but as you were saying too… now that I’m sleeping during the day which is normally when I’m very aware… yeah, I’m remembering more of those dreams now. And what was that quote you were saying by Seth?

JOHN: Oh I was just recalling something I had read that suggested that one of the easiest ways for us to remember our dreams better is to change our sleep patterns, because if were used to having, being in our objective awareness during the daytime and we have a nice long nap in the daytime and go into a dream state, then we will take our objective awareness into the dream state with us and recall it better. And I was just thinking that maybe the inverse is true, which would mean that you take your subjective awareness… is closer to the surface when you’re working the night shift. I think Kris is back.

KRIS: Indeed. You might even create games at changing patterns. For instance at a few weeks ago, we invited individuals to play at changing patterns in their speech with time.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: There are other ways to change patterns that may also involve changing some sleep patterns, where some individuals may enjoy an eight to ten hour sleep by changing that and say, getting four or five hours of sleep, getting up for a while, then having one or two naps, or even what you call power naps during a later portion of the day to receive the equivalent in restfulness, but you draw more attention towards those patterns and notice more… sleep recall would be improved. Energy levels will also be improved because for the body, this is exciting. This is a new adventure, ‘where will it take us?’ The little cells in the body all say.

JOHN: Oh goodie!

KRIS: There are other ways as well. If you use your computer mouse constantly with the right hand, switch.

JOHN: Ha, ha, I’ve done that.

KRIS: That will also flip the different sides of the hemispheres of the brain that are utilized. If you clasp your hands by interlacing your fingers this way, which many people do with the left thumb on top, do it the other way so the right thumb is on top.

JOHN: That works with this too.

KRIS: And we are certain you can think of many other ways that you can alter some of these little patterns that provide a secure foundation for your life, and you will realize that this brings an influx of energy, of reflection, of attention, because things are different. And not only is change a conclusive outcome but the change brings an apparent widening of awareness because in your patterns on a daily basis, you get so accustomed to doing one or two or ten things the same way, you no longer notice many things. Does this make sense to you?

ALL: Oh yes.

KRIS: If you write with the right hand, try with the left… all sorts of different ways you can have fun. Please continue.

JOHN: I just tried writing with my left hand and that’s… that’s gonna take some work.

MARK: It’s interesting yesterday, I had one of those days where after my first… my first day of working nights I think had three hours sleep… moving into my second night. But yesterday, I was just so tired, I slept for like seven or eight hours straight, got up, had a power nap, got up, had a power nap, got up. I think had four, five power naps (chuckling) but I went in to work with a lot of energy and… very different mood, very different tone… and yeah, that was pretty cool. A different experience completely.

KRIS: All of these slight alterations, breaking habits and patterns in this way, provide you with an incredible opportunity to appreciate not only the adaptability that you have, but also the meaning you give it. And this kind of appreciation goes a long ways towards your sense of self-worth. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:01

KRIS: Do you have any other inquiries?

JOHN: Hmm, no. Not particularly right now… oh, I just wanted to mention Kris that, thank you very much for the session we had on Sunday last, the vertigo that I’ve been feeling is much improved.

KRIS: Indeed. And we thank you all for the opportunity to have a very nice exchange.

JOHN: Now you mentioned something interesting that… during that session… about relating the adventure in practice to the nodi… and it’s funny… Ester replied on newworldview that she had been quite independent of knowing that or hearing, understanding that… she had been researching the nodi material. Is it fair to say that the nodi material is perhaps more significant and then we had been thinking it was?

KRIS: If you know us even a little bit…

(Laughter)

KRIS: …you will understand we rarely ever speak through our hat because we do not wear a hat though we may have many tricks up our nonexistent sleeves, we have no hat.

JOHN: Right. Now there’s one other question… just since you threw the floor open, and that was at what… oh yes, carry on.

KRIS: You may offer then, at another time, another one day presentation on this material with the nodi. Now please continue.

JOHN: Very good. I’ll be there with bells on, with my hat on.

KRIS: Then we will have to get a bigger head than you.

JOHN: The question I had was… at one point quite recently, you mentioned that we never have encountered, we never engage anybody that we don’t know at some level.

KRIS: What would that mean?

JOHN: Well the question and I have is, does that mean that we’re very selective about who we engage or does it mean that we know everybody on the planet?

KRIS: Both.

(Laughter)

MARK: The other is you.

JOHN: Okay, both. Okay, so that everybody on the planet is part of the same clan in one sense, and known to one another.

KRIS: You could say then that everyone on the planet, everyone on numerous potential past planets, future and alternate presents, are all different fibers that woven together create the cloth of existence. So you do know all of the fibers that compose the cloth. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, it’s a little mind boggling, but it makes sense.

KRIS: Indeed. Now consciously of course this is pure poppycock.

MARK: Clearly ambiguous.

KRIS: Indeed. But subconsciously all of that information is carefully catalogued.

JOHN: Now when you said that both ideas were true, it’s probably also true then, that while we know everybody, everybody and all that amazingly boggling way, we also probably I suspect, actually have physical engagements with people that we have a history, and issues with, beyond even that.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: As you may have encountered with them in the dream states.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Also remember that everything and everyone in your reality is your interpretation of their energy or its energy, so obviously you are communicating with them on all these other levels of that energy state.

KRIS: We did say, and others have also mentioned, that you are multidimensional beings.

JOHN: I think we have a question from Hugh.

KRIS: Indeed.

HUGH: Actually it’s not from me, it’s from Anya who is calling from Utah but… and I’ll try to ask it on her behalf as best as I can, but she’s referring to your talk about the second mind and the third mind and she’s asking “when you’re observing yourself, are you observing as a second mind or a third mind, and if you are the second mind, where’s the third mind?”

KRIS: In many respects, it could be said it is almost irrelevant, and this is not with any demeaning explanation. However, depending upon the perspective, if you are observing yourself in action, whether through thoughts, emotions or physical activity, you are on the stance of the first mind, the conscious perspective.

When you enter into sleep states or deep energetic moods, you can sense the shift and the relationship to what we call the second mind, and there are variations on that theme, there are different layers if you wish, or different rooms in that second mind.

Third mind is related then to what you may call the super-conscious, the cosmic, those aspects and parts of the self that are truly beyond the mere descriptions you can apply to self, but still encompassed and embraced within selfhood. The third mind stage is very, very big mind.

JOHN: Very big!

KRIS: You could say big, big mind.

MARK: Are we talking quadrant 4 here?

KRIS: It has nothing to do with quadrants.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: This still occurs within this one quadrant.

JOHN: Ah! Interesting.

KRIS: Thus we trust that the answer provides many more questions…

(Laughter)

KRIS: …and on that we are clearly ambiguous.

MARK: Before you go Kris, we have an upcoming workshop in Halifax.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: You might… can you give us a little bit of insight?

KRIS: Not at this very moment.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: But very soon.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And with this, we thank you for your lovely consideration, whether you are the first, second or third mind, we do not mind.

(Laughter)

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

JOHN: Oh, that was fun.

MARK: And thank you Anya for that great question, good to hear from you. Also we’ve discussed Dr. Emoto tonight and just for those of you or not in the know, his website is H-A-D-O dot net (hado.net) and he was in the building just prior to our show and we were very lucky to catch the tail end.

SERGE: We got some pictures taken.

MARK: Yeah.

HUGH: And we’re gonna replay the interview right after this!

SERGE: Oh cool!

MARK: Oh great!

HUGH: Right after this song break, we will come back and replay that Dr. Emoto interview.

SERGE: Cool.

MARK: And on that note, see you all next Thursday! Goodnight.

(Session ends)

The Unofficial Self

June 24, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 24, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Tom, Lisa, Jerry, Myrna, John, Anya, Jo, Paul and Michael

[While awaiting everyone to log onto the teleconference, some of us were discussing our physical and neurological disturbances since the Lotus Mind workshop. Many of us have been experiencing absent-mindedness, poor concentration, dizziness and blurred vision to name a few complaints. Kris had earlier explained that this was due to some re-wiring we have done on ourselves as a result of our work together both in preparation for the Lotus Mind weekend and as a result of that very impactful weekend workshop. Many commented that they are grateful to have the Newworldview discussion forums where we've been sharing our concerns about these symptoms, some of which are somewhat alarming.]

(7:42 PM)

KRIS: Now then, we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable, whether slightly light-headed or otherwise!

(Thank you, Kris)

We will address this in a short amount of time. In the meantime, we also trust that you all have been keeping up to date on our previous talks concerning the official and unofficial lines of consciousness. And as individuals who take birth in this specific environment, you, along with others make a distinction between the official and unofficial line of consciousness in a very realistic fashion. And with your own preferences, you utilize the outlines of the official line of consciousness more or less to define your expressions of reality, thus you create or transform energies within the specific contextual environment.

And this does play an influence upon your own authentic, or if you wish, unofficial and official representations of yourselves. As such, you do make concerted efforts to rein in and even confine your expressions of Self within the boundaries of the official line of consciousness very much like the child who learns to color within the lines in his or her coloring book and every once in awhile, when an adult notices that the coloring has gone outside the lines, the child is advised to stay within the lines. Do you follow?

(Yes)

In this line of information any time the unofficial self strays from its own boundaries, it is also reminded to get back to the other side of the fence, as it were, because on this side is the official line of consciousness and the official self. As each of you grows up and matures, depending upon the life purposes involved, and you all in particular, have never truly managed to stuff the unofficial self in its unofficial box or prison. Periodically, aspects of the unofficial self would go AWOL and run amok amongst the carefully laid out ideas pertinent to the official self and the official views about self. Depending upon the degree of adherence to the official views, some have strictly enforced the ordinances that the unofficial self return to its own playground, its own sandbox or not.

And each of you in particular has delved into the unofficial aspects of life and reality than many others in your reality. You have each acquired an understanding, whether primitive or otherwise, that life, existence, reality is about much more than merely the standard official views. Always something comes into the field of your experiences, almost demanding that you pay attention, that you suspend all disbeliefs about the greater scope of your being, about greater sets of experiences that are aligned with the unofficial views.

Thus it takes at times somewhat of a struggle and sometimes more to explore the unofficial self and its relevance to your own lives as individuals who are more or less in a process of straddling both realities such that a completely different product and experience is available to you. As you explore the unofficial self more and more, you also take into consideration the official self. Not as the bastard child, but as the one in need of nurturing, of supporting and loving. In order to assist that self, that official self, to expand and grow in awareness, as is its potential.

And as the official self discovers that its roots, its heritage, its parents are the unofficial self, it no longer needs to define itself in terms of fear, or shame, or guilt, or anger or resentment or anything influenced from any of these particular emotional situations or conditions. In your own particular experiences, for those of you who participated in our presentation (the Lotus Mind workshop), you are presently in a certain kind of conflict. You are caught in the maelstroms of change.

Much official programming, many of the official set-ups within your experience are being revised. Your own subconscious is basically undertaking a massive renovation program. And you are also, each of you, feeling the effects of rather strong shifts of energy within your accepted definitions of self, whether official or unofficial self; and it is to you as if you may not have a clear and strong grasp of the situation, of the transformations you are undergoing.

And you would each experience less of your present manifestations if you allowed yourselves as much acceptance of your present transformations and literal metamorphosis as possible with as little resistance or opposing as possible, and as much allowing as is also possible. And you would quickly reduce any kind of sensed turbulence and apparent imbalance very rapidly. And we say this because we are aware of how much the conscious, logical, rational, intellectual mind, or aspects of mind want to be in charge.

Something is occurring beneath the surface and the more you focus upon and increase the imbalance by worrying, the more you manifest the turbulence. Now we are not asking you to play dumb. All we are asking is to allow the process, and the more you insist upon worrying about the worrying, the more difficult this will be.

As an extra measure, we would ask each of you to follow along in a small adventure. For this all you need do is sit comfortably – no lying down – particularly in this instance, sitting down with as straight a back as possible, and as much as possible, feet squarely on the floor when possible. And take a very nice soothing breath and exhale with a deep sigh of satisfaction and relief.

And as you continue to breathe deeply, listening to the sound of our voice and allowing yourself to relax, from the very bottom of your feet, allowing the relaxation to spread upwards and upwards from the feet to the legs and upwards to the thighs…. upwards to the abdomen…. as you continue to breathe and relax…. and upwards to the chest…. to the shoulders and down the arms…. past the elbows…. towards the forearms… to the hands….allowing the relaxation to continue from the shoulders to the neck…. up into the head… and the face…. the eyes…. the back of the head, the forehead… the sides… up onto the scalp…. every particle of your body now deeply relaxed, free of concerns, tensions of any and all kinds.

And as you continue the relaxation, allowing it to deepen…. and deepen some more… pretend that from the top of your head there is a great opening with a great cone of light energy, the base of the cone entering your head and the light and the cone expanding upwards and upwards….. a great flow of energy. And pretend just a little bit more that your physical body is like an enormous statue, an enormous creation….. bigger than any sculpture ever created, this sculpture chiseled out of consciousness itself, with a great beam of energy reaching from the head, higher and higher….

And you are a form of energy that needs to do a small amount of work… and in order to do so, you need a very long ladder that goes from the ground and reaches up to the very top of the beam of energy…. From the great sculpture of consciousness you begin to climb up the ladder….climbing higher and higher until you are at the very top of the beam of energy…. and you have in your pocket a unique and special cap that you will put on top of the beam of energy…. Perhaps it looks like a lid, or a cover, or a cap of some kind, and you put it over the very top of the beam of energy….

And you start pressing down, perhaps you even need to stand on top of the lid or cover or cap, pressing it down…. pressing it down…. pressing it down…. some more…. and some more…. and some more… until finally it connects with the head of the great sculpture of consciousness. It closes the hole and locks into place. And now you can step off the head of the great sculpture, go down the ladder, down… down… down to the bottom…. retract or remove the ladder…… And notice how much calmer, soothed, and balanced the great sculpture is now…. so much so that you can re-enter the great sculpture, take a deep breath….. and in a moment, when we will count from three to one, you will open your eyes, fully awake and conscious….three… two… and one. Eyes open, clear of mind.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:12.

KRIS: Then perhaps a very brief pause might be in order.

(Kris returns at 8:19 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that this modest and humble little exercise has assisted in quelling some of your own concerns, as you should begin to feel an ease, especially a release of tension concerning any opposing energies you are brandishing about primarily based out of simple fear of change. But there was another reason for this small exercise. It is or was somewhat different from other exercises we have offered from other adventures in that we offered the suggestion that you participate from a secondary position and not a one of you had difficulties with this, however you managed to accomplish it, correct?

(Yes)

MARK: It’s funny, because I did identify part way through — I thought “How can I be at the top of the ladder, or at the top of the beam, when the beam’s coming out of my head?” (Chuckling) So I had to make that adjustment.

KRIS: Indeed then, you do not necessarily have to do anything along those lines. It occurred.

MARK: It occurred.

KRIS: One of the games, both from the workshop and simply following along, is an increased ability to actually dissociate and separate within aspects of your own persona. Does this make sense?

(Yes)

And it is our sincerest and dearest hope that you will continue to play with these kinds of ideas and exercises as this will only increase your own flexibility of consciousness, teaching yourselves how to flex those consciousness muscles, entering altered states, parallel alpha or even subordinate alpha states at will, increasing your own intuitive capacities. This can prove to be an extremely useful tool or resource as you explore more of your unofficial selves. That is what we spoke about earlier, correct?

(Yes)

Your “Unofficial Self” and this is one small aspect of that unofficial self that actually brings about a noticeable influence into the reality of the official self. Now, almost exactly one year hence, we presented initial material on the nodi. Do you recall?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: If you review that material, in conjunction with this particular exercise, releasing a small aspect of your unofficial self in the field of energy nodules, or nodi around your form, you will be able to understand much more of the information we presented then and how we can continue to enhance this modality now. Does this make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, in fact, we just did that.

KRIS: In so many ways, indeed. (Pause) Your unofficial self truly is uncharted territory. You may be generally aware of its existence through your own experiences and some outlining descriptions from other teachers, including ourselves, but your own dilemma to a certain degree, has always been how to experience this unofficial self, unofficial reality, directly. How do you learn then, to communicate directly with the unofficial or Essence self? You just had a truly modest demonstration moments ago. Does that make sense as well to you?

(Yes)

We simply left out the thunder, the lightning, and the earth-shaking, because it truly is not necessary. And its most impactful influence upon you are the subtleties of the results of your experiences and how these continue to ripple through your official self and its reality. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Perhaps you may open the line…. Now, you all can hear very nicely?

(Yes)

ELLEN: Kris…can you hear me?

KRIS: We certainly can.

ELLEN: Okay. You mentioned “subordinate alpha state.” What did you mean by that?

KRIS: You are accustomed to thinking of only four states of brain wave patterns, yet alpha is a very wide spectrum of states. We named them or labeled it “Parallel” and “Subordinate.” They are slight alterations within alpha states that continue to deepen that state. You could say that it branches out into a great variety of alternates on its own, but still within the alpha state. Do you follow?

ELLEN: I believe so.

KRIS: Are there other questions?

ANYA: You mentioned lowering resistance and I do understand it mentally. Can you give me an example of how it can really do that?

KRIS: We did suggest that an excellent method, in order to do so, is to release your concerns and worries about your present situation, because the more you fixate upon worries, about what could be happening to you, you actually magnify the situation. You give it even more resistance. It is not unlike say, a child, knowing that he or she has a dental appointment tomorrow morning, and most children initially have a fear, not so much of the dentist, but more so of the sounds of the drilling. And the knowing that in the dentist’s chair they may not have as much control of the situation as they would wish and worrying about it can lead to even more trauma than the dental experience itself, for the child. Do you follow?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: So we are simply suggesting that you assist your subconscious mind in performing its task of housecleaning unimpeded.

MYRNA: I’m aware that I certainly have been worrying about what’s been going on. I just scared the hell out of myself. What’s interesting is that my vertigo, my dizziness — and John and I have been talking about this, it’s profound — I’m aware that there’s a tension in my body on an official reality level. I think it’s the tension in my neck that’s creating this, but the tension isn’t something…. (Chuckling)…This is so interesting! The tension isn’t something I say to myself, “I’m going to be tense about what’s going on.” Kris, it’s astounding that there are aspects of myself that have kicked in here to fight this. All I’m aware of is that I’m feeling, “My god, my head feels like it’s going to explode!” I find that amazing!

KRIS: Indeed, and after the small practice, what happened with you?

MYRNA: The tension in my neck is gone…Well, not gone entirely, but it’s like something’s been released.

KRIS: Indeed. And quite likely all any of you need do before you fall asleep tonight is simply to suggest to your lovely dream self, that it continues the program in a manner that is beneficial to you all around.

MYRNA: Good! That would be nice. I will do that.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Kris, your analogy of the dentist, is it that a lot of us are fearful that the dentist is our own Essence self?

KRIS: You are, yourself and others alike, in some ways fearful that all of the things that you have read, all of these philosophies that you are accepting, actually have some kickass reality behind it in a very REAL manner. In other words, THIS…IS…IT!

ELLEN: (Chuckling) I had a kind of a dream or a vision…well it was during a meditation, but a kind of a vision where I saw my Essence in work clothes, like a plaid shirt, work clothes, and he was telling me “We’re going to get to work now!” (Laughs)

KRIS: Indeed. In line with the official reality, there is still an aspect or two within you that says, yes, this is all very beautiful and creative philosophy, but it is quite possible that none of it is true, that you are perhaps even in a long phase and that someday soon you will come to your senses. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Yeah, I think so.

KRIS: Those vestiges of official reality are having THEIR reality somewhat shaken.

ELLEN: A wake-up call.

KRIS: Indeed, for many of you. And this is an entirely natural proceeding. As has been suggested several times, you are a most enigmatic species. You dislike change and yet, it is through change and transformation that you learn, that you grow, that you expand, that the true foundations of knowledge and wisdom, Logos and Sophos, actually become awakened within you. That is the meaningfulness of life. Does this make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yeah. Let’s get busy!

KRIS: Indeed! Let’s get Logos-ing and Sophos-ing!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: So, what I’m aware of now are the physical symptoms. Something’s going on. I trust, listening to what you just said, that at some point I’m going to be aware of far more bleed-through in terms of my unofficial….and I really trust a lot of my intuitions and guidance, and yet I still have some skepticism about “Who’s Kris?” (Chuckling) I’m kidding! But I’m imagining that what’s happening is that I’m going to become more and more aware of a difference.

KRIS: You already are. That is what you are in some ways opposing.

MYRNA: That’s true, yes. The concept of the Second Mind….I walked away from the workshop thinking that something major happened with the whole concept of the Second Mind and at times I’m thrilled by it and at times I think “What’s going on? This is silly!” I’m having a hard time expressing my opposition, but that’s a mind concept I feel like only a part in some way…. He said it, the closer we get to love and tolerance…? I saw that somewhere…

KRIS: Indeed, the more want to run away from it. And at the same time, the more you desire to embrace it. It is an interesting conundrum. Are there any other lovely questions in the great land of telephone?

TOM: Yeah, I have a question, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: And a comment. My comment is that I’ve been noticing even with my own dream experiences a lot of this resistance to the idea that these things could actually be happening, and I’m not just fooling myself, so I’m experiencing that and also, my question would be, entering this alpha state, I’m wondering if that is similar to a projection of our awareness to a different focal point?

KRIS: It is akin to entering various hypnagogic and then dream states. The difference being that you are not sleeping, that this is under the guidance of your conscious awareness. We are simply utilizing then, more of your own true capacities, within the conscious perception, thus an expansion of awareness.

TOM: Okay, it’s not strictly a projection then.

KRIS: It can also be, since all things are projections. Does this make sense to you?

TOM: Yes, since I was thinking of it as altering the focus but I realize the conscious self is not left behind when we are doing this.

KRIS: Correct. And the moment you do alter your focus in any way whatsoever, you engage a variety of shifts in your alpha state, and from there you can progress to other states. It is possible to engage even the deep delta and theta states and others we have described some time ago, but to be officially recognized delta and theta states, these can be engaged whilst still being conscious and awake, though you normally experience them in deep dream states. Do you follow?

TOM: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other lovely questions?

MICHAEL: I do. This is Michael from Los Angeles.

KRIS: Indeed and welcome to our nice little group!

MICHAEL: (Laughing) Thank you! I have a question because I’ve been practicing with trying to create more directively, or directively within the physical, and I don’t know if I’m accessing more of what you’re calling the unofficial consciousness but it feels more like that. And then I’m placing suggestions towards what I want to create and usually it’s in a situation where I’m in movement – it could be driving a car or in a dynamic brain storming session with a buddy of mine. Is this along the lines of an easier way to create within physical directly or is there anything else you can add that would suggest to do that?

KRIS: Firstly, we would suggest that you avoid entering these states whilst driving! Secondly, the ability to literally glide in, out and through, up and around, inside and out various states of consciousness is innate to the individual. What you call the consciously focused state is merely one of those altered states, but it is one that has become somewhat home base. So you are familiar with it, but you also, each of you also know all other states, you may simply not recognize them because they are literally the unofficial self, the unofficial reality.

So by altering your perceptions in this way, by relaxing your focus, your concentration, you can make it easier as you then open up your own suggestibility and in that state you offer yourselves simple suggestions of an uncomplicated manner, or nature, more specifically in a positive direction. For instance, it is not necessarily advisable to begin suggesting all of what you do not want in life because that is what you are concentrating upon and as you can easily figure out, you get what you concentrate upon. Do you follow?

MICHAEL: Yes.

KRIS: Then begin suggesting in simple terms what the objective is that you do want. Simple and practical. The subconscious mind is such a magnificent system that it projects what you concentrate upon in what you then call physical reality which is meant to confirm what you concentrate upon, which also means what you believe. Do you follow?

MICHAEL: Yes.

KRIS: Thus approaching this issue in simple, practical terms allows you to become familiar with the training wheels so that eventually you can dispense with them. Does that answer your question?

MICHAEL: Yes it does. The only other thing would be what would be the next step beyond this? Beyond the simple suggestions, let’s say, because I have been doing that and it’s worked nicely.

KRIS: Then begin to experience and notice what we have just described as being the unofficial self and its abundant harvest of opportunities and possibilities. And we could not be more clearly ambiguous on that subject!

(Group laughter)

MICHAEL: (Laughing) But I understand, thank you!

KRIS: Begin to write your dreams and explore the contents of that aspect of yourself and if you wish to expand your knowledge in this area, you might benefit then, from a study of hypnosis, since you are already familiar with its principles in terms of self-hypnosis. Do you follow?

MICHAEL: Yes, yes, thank you. That’s great.

KRIS: Indeed. What is the time?

MARK: 8:53.

KRIS: Then perhaps a very brief pause while all the lovely people in telephone-land invent new questions.

(Break at 8:53 PM and Kris returns at 9:02 PM)

KRIS: Now the more you allow yourselves to ease into your new energies, of course the easier it will become for you. You may also find that new adventures literally seek you out. As we suggested this evening, the unofficial self may begin to show itself, not to deny, nor negate the official aspects of yourself, but to nurture. Because the official self is not the bastard self, but the legitimate heir of the universe and the universe IS your unofficial self. Do you follow?

(Yes)

So this way, when you notice strong intuitions, dreams, impressions and a host of other, subjective states, making themselves known, knocking at the door, you will be more prepared and therefore less ready to slam the door in the face, even though you are the one that called up for room service. We humbly suggest that you be KINDER to yourselves than ever before because you are in a high state of suggestibility. So offer yourselves nurturing, healing, and loving suggestions and you will then reap that harvest. And with that we thank you for your unofficial kindness and your official consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed then, your dreams may be more revealing, if you allow them, than ever before.

(Session ends at 9:06 PM)
Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and John (Sohars)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Cathy (Segova) and Brian (El-Don)
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar) and Jerry
Utah: Anya (Greensleeves)
Castaic, California: Jo (Rosalie) and Paul (Janaki)
Los Angeles, California: Michael

What is Important in Your Life? (New Jersey Group)

June 23, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 23, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Barry, Ben, Celesta, Daniel, Ella, Igor, Inna, Natasha, Rodney, Steve, Tony

(5:15 PM)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all very comfortable.

ALL: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed, as you say, “Howdy!”

(Laughter)

We are also very thankful for the opportunity to participate with your lovely group.

ELLA: Same here. Do you have anything that you would wish to tell us first before we proceed with our questions?

KRIS: Indeed! And you might be sorry that you asked!

ELLA: No, today I’m not sorry!

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps we can ask you all a question, and it is this: What do you consider likely the most important thing in your life?

ELLA: (Turning to the group) Kris is asking what do you consider likely the most important thing in your life. (To Kris) I’m sorry, I had to repeat your question, not everybody could hear you well.

KRIS: That is fine!

ELLA: (Pause) We are thinking.

[The participants ask how Kris would like them to answer.]

KRIS: Perhaps each one can say a word, keeping it brief.

INNA: Love.

RODNEY: Recognizing my motivation.

ELLA: Did you hear that, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: For myself it’s finding myself…. Anybody else want to share?

STEVE: Empathy.

TONY: Finding my exact path.

IGOR: Freedom from fear.

BEN: Well-being or grace.

MARK: For me, I would have to say my physical body. A healthy body.

DANIEL: I would say something similar to Tony, and (words lost)

NATASHA: Love and understanding myself.

RODNEY: I would say that underneath motivations, I would put my physical health.

KRIS: Indeed, we thank you for your responses. Do know that each of your responses is both valid and authentic. Such a question that we ask truly cannot have any wrong answer. We would also like to present that there is perhaps one or two items that function in the background, one of which is the freedom to express those very thoughts and the choices that you make in life to fulfill the values that you have expressed with your answers.

And those are extremely important as it or they enable you to actually put into action and to manifest those answers that you provided. Without these two background effects, it would indeed be very difficult to put into motion and action not only your values, but the very intent to project those values in your life and thus have a life that reflects the freedoms and the choices that you make. And in part you have chosen – pun fully intended! – you have chosen to live in a society that enables you to do just that, you participate in and continue to co-create a social structure that still reflects those principles to one degree or another because they are of utmost importance to you in your unique fashion.

They are part of your experimentation and intent with this life experience. And the life experience that you are manifesting now is itself a reflection of or a projection of those very values and principles that enable those values to be manifest for you. Thus you have chosen then, to experiment with consciousness and to transform the energy that constructs your values at the subjective level and further transform them into meaningful events and experiences of life that again reflect the values, but do even more than that.

In transforming those energies into the values and principles of your life, you also, each of you, singularly or collectively, also keep establishing foundations that give others the opportunity to set up their own adventures in a manner that expresses their own values and principles but with the knowledge that others have made this attempt and have become successful at it. Thus, in many ways, you set up a precedent and the foundations that you establish are energetically or otherwise then utilized by other individuals to set up their own lovely creations, laying further groundwork across the lattices of the time-space continuum as you understand it for the expression of more freedom and choices.

Each and every member of your society, yourselves included, are utilizing the very building blocks of consciousness to form a life for yourselves, inspiring others still to form a life for themselves in such a way that the continuums of the past, the present, and the future are constantly being transformed just as your experiences of today transform the experiences you had yesterday as well as transform the experiences you have tomorrow. As you continue to expand your present moment, your experiences in the now, such as your lives and those of others, are always enriched, and all of this and so much more altering the very fabric of reality on an ongoing basis on one simple fact, a fact that simply cannot be denied in any way, shape or form, and that fact is that each of you ARE.

So the very act of being, as each of you is, is a transformative experience of such a broad spectrum that you might never truly capture the full scope of the experience consciously, but subconsciously your lives are such that who you are and the fact that you are contains all of the energy and the blueprints that is shared with all others, whether in this timeframe or another. And again all of this simply because you are, then reality is. This can further inspire you to become more noticing of those energies you set into motion, those energies that you use to transform the subjective into the principles that you then consider objective physical reality, which is then little more than the confirmation of all the subjective attention that you focus upon. We trust that you have all heard this and that this makes sense to you.

ELLA: Yes.

DANIEL: Could you please repeat the two effects that you mentioned in the beginning?

KRIS: Repeat your question.

(There is some discussion among the group)

ELLA: We were just confirming….not everybody heard very well, of those two components that you expressed in the beginning…. Inna wrote it down and she repeated that.

KRIS: Indeed then, these two are many of the powerful pillars or constitutional aspects of consciousness itself. Consciousness is not what it is without these and many other principles. And even at the level of units of consciousness as well as the other extreme of the spectrum with All That Is, these two constitutional principles are foundational to everything that you consider in terms of existence. Without these two items there simply is no consciousness that you could conceive of because they are principles by which All That Is also functions, since it, or All That Is, exercises those principles in the manifestation of all of its dreams. Do you follow?

ELLA: Yes, so far.

KRIS: Now how would you make use of this information in your life?

ELLA: Is that a question?

KRIS: Indeed. It is not rhetorical!

(Laughter)

ELLA: I wasn’t sure if you were planning to answer it or we should try to…. Well, I can say for myself that the changes that are occurring in me, I feel right now….I don’t know if it answers the question, but I feel right now much more inclined to notice how I incorporate myself in the reality, how maybe on my morning walks to be aware of my body and the nature around me and… I don’t know, it just feels much more relaxing for me which is part of what I’m looking for. It’s a smaller answer, I understand, it’s not everything, but that’s what it is for me right now at this stage.

KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else?

RODNEY: If I understand you correctly, I’ve noticed lately that I am noticing what I am doing and because you mentioned choice, the choices we make, it seems to me that I think about the choices, but thinking about a choice is not making the choice, so I am saying that because I think a lot and do little…

(Group chuckling)

…that I am focusing more on what I am doing and looking at that as being the substance of my choice as opposed to seeing my choice as being the substance of what I think. Does that make sense to you?

KRIS: Do trust that it does make sense to us, and yes, you are correct. Thinking about choices and acting upon a choice are two different things. The ability to develop one’s noticing puts you squarely in the driver’s seat and enables yourself or any other individual to recognize that all of the events, circumstances and conditions of your life are the results of choices, even if the choice is not to choose. It is still a valid choice, and every choice that you decide upon carries with it various outcomes. How you further deal with the outcomes, in whatever manner of course, leads to expanded awareness of choice, or more choices, which more results or consequences from additional choices and decisions and noticing.

And this has a major effect upon the empowerment of the personality structure in such a way that eventually you begin to notice very clearly that all of existence is an action of choice and your choices thread into other choices, into other choices and so on and so forth. For many reasons, the main one which is that all of your events and life circumstances and conditions are interwoven to various degrees. Whether you recognize this or not, will not affect that interweaving of choices and actions throughout your entire life and then into your lives, as many as you manifest. There are always many threads in categories of experiences within the context of your many lives and all of this again founded upon a simple word you call CHOICE. You do understand the definition of choice, do you?

(Yes)

Would Philip be so kind as to utilize the dictionary, not that you need to know what the word means, but it may have some interesting interpretations that you can further add to your knowledge.

MARK: Okay, here we go: “The act of choosing; selection; power of choosing, options, the best part; a person or thing chosen; a sufficient number and variety to choose among; care in selecting; a grade of meat between prime and good (Chuckling); worthy of being chosen. Selected with care; well chosen. High quality.” That’s it.

KRIS: Indeed. In here is a very specific word: SELECTION. For when you choose, you normally do so from a variety of possible choices. Consciously you may not always be aware of the varieties available for you to choose from, however this does not deny the fact that when you make choices in life, you always do so from so many possibilities and probabilities. Your conscious mind often selects to not be aware of all of the ramifications and calculations that go into your selection processes. Do you follow?

(Yes)

This suggests that there is far more that is going on at any given time in your consciousness than you are consciously aware of and this further suggests then that as individuals you are subjectively or subconsciously much more aware of the availability of possibilities to yourselves, meaning that your degree of awareness, of intelligence, of understanding the outcomes of multiple choices simultaneously all occurs often at such a rapid rate that the conscious mind that many of you may still identify with, is not sufficiently capable of absorbing and rummaging through all of the possibilities for the purpose of selecting, thus you end up with your concept of choice. You may call it free will, free choice, choice, however you define it or designate it, but do understand that the choices that you make ride upon feats of information or data that often you are completely unaware of. Do you still follow?

(Yes)

Then, what would this suggest about your lovely selves?

ELLA: That we have a freedom of choice that we need to recognize and start moving from theory to….

DANIEL: And the more we notice, the more choices we have.

ELLA: Out of all these definitions, the one that jumps at me is the power of choice.

KRIS: Indeed. It means then, that you are much more powerful than you may ever have suspected before and this kind of power from the processes of selectivity further implies that you are more knowledgable and wiser than you may appreciate or give yourselves credit for. Now when we say “choice” we do mean something much more complex than choosing whether you will have a latte, a mochachino, or a cappachino at Starbucks! But that is still within the realm of your abilities to choose those!

ELLA: Some of us at times are challenged.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Thus we take it to mean that some of you are cappuchinally challenged!

ELLA: Yes, that’s a good pun.

KRIS: Indeed, but never are you choice-challenged in that sense.

ELLA: I hear you, but very often, that’s what we do, as a way of hiding or avoiding those choices. That’s what I’m seeing and I guess that’s what we are learning. The more we notice what we do, the more the choices open up.

NATASHA: The more choices you have, the harder to choose!

ELLA: There is more responsibility associated with the choice.

KRIS: EXACTLY! Because it makes you more and more conscious that the choices indeed are yours and not someone else’s. No one else has made that or those choices for you and that if something ends up being not to your liking, you have the ability and the power to do something about it, that you are not without choice, ever.

ELLA: May I have a small comment on that?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: I just wanted to say that yes, sometimes it is difficult for us to make choices, but I think part of the group intent here — and there may be subgroups within a group even — is that we sort of, in sharing of energy and ideas, we help each other to first of all, see these choices. I know it worked a number of times with me and help each other sort of not be so afraid, be more relaxed in this energy sharing. Sometimes, I’m not talking about all the time, but I’ve seen this type of action.

TONY: I agree. I think it’s a very strong point of support in a group, to keep ourselves focused.

KRIS: Now, again, how would you make use of this knowledge in your lives?

ELLA: Knowledge of…that we always have a choice?

KRIS: Yes.

TONY: I’d say right off the bat, not assuming I’m a victim to anybody or anything that takes place and that everything I’m doing is a choice, whether I’m aware of it or not.

KRIS: Yes, and that implies that even when there is a secondary gain to playing the victim — because some people do find gain in playing the victim, and this is also a matter of choice — that overall it may not necessarily be in their best interest, though they have made the choice, and recognizing that one is not a victim of anyone else, or anything else, can have a dramatic, life altering influence into one’s very life and it changes the polarity of your life experiences.

If some of your life experiences are polarized into victimhood, duplicity and so on and you venture forth by choice into recognizing that you are the designer of your existence and reality, then you can literally transform the very meaning and force of your life into a dynamic expression in such a manner that the absolute highest values within you, the absolute highest power and grace within you, are no longer objects of fear or denial, but something that you can align yourselves with consciously, thereby amplifying the very meaningfulness of your lives, experiencing true congruence in such a way that the dynamic lifeforce within you shines forth like a bright beacon, lighting your life path before you in a clear, consistent and powerful manner, without fear.

Imagine living a life where there is no fear of humiliation, embarrassment, belittlement, reprimand, judgmentalism, no fear of being loved or of loving in the same manner. Imagine what each of your lives would be like if such a state existed within you now. And notice what happens in your minds, in your bodies, in your hearts, in your energies, when you dream of having such a life. Now, come back to your regular selves and bring with you all of the good things of imagining such a life, deep within you. Open your eyes and return to your regular consciousness.

RODNEY: Okay.

(Group laughter)

ELLA: We’ve returned.

NATASHA: Kris, may I ask you in regard to that, when you were talking about choice, when we have all this information, whether we are aware of it or not aware of choice, you find yourself in any circumstance that you may not like, and knowing that it was your choice, you actually return it not against somebody else being victim of somebody else, but you turn it against yourself and become a victim of yourself in a way, when you know you are creating your own reality, you just don’t know how, you just get in the situation, you understand what I’m asking?

KRIS: Indeed we do, and there are many individuals who find themselves in that situation and the choice, again, is theirs to then release their own self-criticism, self-directed shame, guilt or anger and know that they are neither the victims of others, nor of themselves, but that they have at their disposal the ability to live a life free of those ways, free of guilt and shame, free of fear and that all of life truly is a process of selection. And in that recognition lies a great deal of empowerment, a great deal of knowing that you are not the hapless victim of outside events or circumstances, but instead the joyous creator of whatever experience you desire to create.

This line of noticing can bring you or any individual, literally to take a quantum leap in awareness such that all of reality is seen as a result of choices activated at the conscious physical level as well as at the level of Essence, and that one is neither the victim of Essence and its choices, but that instead one has chosen to experiment with consciousness in such a manner that their most meaningful experiences come from a place deep within the heart, deep within Self, and that is the seat of power and the seed of further creations. The process can naturally lead to those kinds of observations. Do you follow?

NATASHA: Great, how do I release the guilt and self-criticism that I have?

KRIS: You may begin by replacing it with appreciation, even if there is a small voice in the back of your mind that insists otherwise. You are not the victim of that self-critical voice, but the one who has allowed that program to run. Do you follow?

(Yes)

The object is then to begin concentrating, focusing upon and paying attention to a different program now. You may still occasionally hear echoes of the old voice, but start paying attention to a more constructive and meaningful voice that has a lovely tone, a sweet energy, and begin to transpose the old with the new so that more and more you hear the voice of the new program. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

ELLA: Yes, I think I even experience some of that myself, so I can say yes, that definitely makes sense.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, as we demonstrated with the group two weeks ago (The Lotus Mind Workshop group), there is a small exercise that you can do that temporarily puts a stop to what we call the “mind monkeys,” that constant nitter and natter and chatter that always goes on in the back of your minds.

ELLA: Yeah, we just were showing it to each other, that tongue thing?

KRIS: Therefore you were giving each other the raspberry!

ELLA: Not exactly, but almost!

KRIS: Indeed. Make use of this, whether you put your tongue out and hold it with your fingers or you keep your mouth closed and press the tongue against your teeth, or curl your tongue up and press it against your palate. Even if it is for a moment to begin with, and notice how mindfully quieting this is.

ELLA: I actually have a question on that….and I’m going to show to the group that exercise in a moment, after this session….but my question is everytime I’m walking in the morning, I do that whenever I try to observe nature and myself, what I do is basically breathe through my nose and I hold my tongue against my teeth the way you suggested?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: I don’t feel any negative chatter, but I feel peaceful and relaxed, but I do feel the thoughts, sort of the first thoughts are flowing into my mind, that still occurs, right? It’s not that the mind goes completely blank?

KRIS: Correct. The mind does not go blank, but it gives an opportunity for the positive and constructive voices within you, that energy, to have a say.

ELLA: Yeah, I have a lot of feelings of appreciation of what’s around me. That’s what should occur, right?

KRIS: Yes, it quiets the mind monkeys that you do not want to hear and it can be a fun exercise.

ELLA: I tried it already many times. As I said, I should try it at the point where I feel negative about myself, and I haven’t tried that situation yet.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, would there be any questions in your group?

ELLA: We do have questions, but I first want to ask them if they have questions on what you said already.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: (To the group) Do you have any questions on that?….(To Kris) Then we do have some questions that we prepared before the session and one of them you already touched upon in the very beginning, the introduction. As far as I understand it was about the group intent of how we come together and express our energies in a way that other people might benefit whether we express it subjectively or objectively, so (turning to the group) you guys all heard, right? You understand that? Anybody have any more questions on that? No?

(To Kris) And then, another question on that, since we meet fairly regularly together for a period of three hours or so, is there anything during those meetings we could do as a group to sort of further improve and evolve in the direction we are going?

KRIS: At this point, any advice we offer would be geared towards taking action when action is required to fulfill your journey. Words and discussions and philosophy and theory all inspire the soul but the soul, the Self, aspires to more than inspiration, it aspires to action. So our humble suggestion is to always act upon your inspiration, to take it then to the next level, beyond the words, the theory, the mentality and so on. This, the ability to act on those philosophies about choice is what enables change and from change comes growth. There is indeed an irony of a kind with your species in that you all wish to grow, to change, to transform your lives in one way or another, but you also dislike change. And yet, it is only when there is change that you experience meaningfulness and growth. Does this answer your question?

ELLA: Yes and no. Personally I think I understand what you say when it applies to each individual person but I’m not sure as a group, when we are meeting.

CELESTA: We inspire each other.

ELLA: Yes, but he says taking action. Does that mean do meditation, do exercises…for me it’s a little…I don’t know.

KRIS: Perhaps Philip might like to add to this.

MARK: Basically what I believe Kris is saying is that it’s great to get together in groups and it’s great to discuss all this material, but it’s even more beneficial to put it to use and to experience it and express it as best you can.

ELLA: We’re talking about as a group activity.

MARK: Yeah, you can create group activities around the material that you’re discussing.

ELLA: All right, you know we’re saying that we feel we are at some sort of a turning point of that Shift of Consciousness, we are, in line with this discussion, more people are, instead of being theoretical about it, experience the changes in their reality, for instance right now many people are channeling, people do various things in areas of consciousness. Could you please comment on that? I think you already did, but we just wanted to ask. Will there be more changes like that or what kind of changes can we expect?

KRIS: Indeed and this directly ties to your last question and our answer in that there is still a high degree of accountability for one’s life and you may see this expressed further still in the manner in which governments, big corporations, institutions are made even more accountable than before, especially when the lives of thousands and millions of people are often interlaced with these big companies and governments and how this will influence your lives in many ways.

And as we mentioned in line with your last question, even yourselves as a group and as individuals can further raise the bar to instill greater momentum and energy into your projects and experiment beyond simple meditations, but develop your intuitive skills, develop your relationships with your dreams and the ability to record them. Get well acquainted with the contents of your subconscious or subjective awareness, because all of these things, these abilities, these tools and resources, will come in truly handy when you decide to live your authentic selves as we suggested earlier, without fear and live the lives that presently exist as an image and a concept in your minds.

Many of you discuss great projects. Put them to work. Turn them from concept into reality. It is only when you permit these kinds of changes that you will grow, well and beyond simply discussing. And we are not here putting down your discussions, they are absolutely necessary and foundational, but now you can begin your constructions. These have to do with the actions of your lives. For instance – and we will not get into everyone’s situation, but — Ella…

ELLA: Yes.

KRIS: You have been contemplating an idea either for a play or a book for some time, is this correct?

ELLA: Uh…maybe subconsciously. I was contemplating an idea to copyright and publish my (words lost) and then Inna came up with an idea to write stories of people who actually live their lives, but I will say that even though I was excited, I never fully embraced that idea as my objective.

KRIS: It is not fully formed yet.

ELLA: Can we backtrack for a moment? Once in a blue moon I do have ideas for some sort of like children’s stories, but it never came to –

KRIS: When you get that “blue moon” feeling…

ELLA: (Giggling) Blue moon feeling!

KRIS: Indeed! Pretend that you are in communication with a child. It does not matter which child, when and where, but pretend that you are in communication with the child, even if only in your mind and begin to tell that child the stories you want to form and see where it takes you. If you have to become a child yourself for a moment, you will notice what is holding you back and once you do that, you may wonder why ever did you think that this blockage was so big. The energy to put the writing in action will be to you a sweet release as a gift that you offer yourself.

ELLA: Hmm. It makes a lot of sense.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 6:20.

KRIS: Do you have any other questions?

ELLA: Yes, a question that we had was, traveling to Toronto, Natasha and Daniel had tremendous problems getting there and even traveling back they also had issues with air flight and we talked about the energy of that, we were discussing it, but we want your comments.

KRIS: Indeed. Daniel and Natasha: What were your feelings during those episodes?

DANIEL: My feeling was I was enjoying the ordeal and I was appreciating myself for enjoying this and I felt this was part of the seminar and that somehow I subjectively participated.

NATASHA: And I felt like a victim of myself, why I created this….not to come?…and what do I have reservations about: talking, being in your session or what. So I felt more like a victim again.

KRIS: Indeed. We do suspect, Daniel, that you also harbor some frustration at the ordeal and it is valid to authenticate these as well. Do you understand?

(Group laughter)

DANIEL: Um…yeah, I think it worked for me. I felt some stress and frustration, but I felt that…it’s interesting to me that on the day of trying to get to Canada, going from airport to airport, making decisions….I thought that I wanted to get to the seminar. I also wondered if part of me was afraid, and protecting and so I do admit there may have been stress inside.

KRIS: Our main thought is that those feelings that appear to have been the result of the misconnections, the delays and the frustrations endured were brought to your attention as what occasioned were the factors involved in the events themselves so that you may better notice them, understand and process those feeling-tones and recognize them for you to begin reversing the polarity, transforming that amount of blocked energy so that your lives can then be free of those particular belief structures. The events are the results of your convictions, of that there is no doubt. The convictions are pertinent to each of the states of emotions that you communicated to yourselves in this way through the events so that you can lay them to rest as it were and begin to focus on the more constructive and pleasant situations. Does this make sense to you?

DANIEL: Yes it does. At first there is a storm and then there is a more accepted calm.

KRIS: (To Mark) Can you translate?

ELLA: Daniel was saying that it was…their reaction was like a thunderstorm after which all this pent up energy of their positon was released and then they were able to enjoy themselves.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you recall that during the conference that there was mention of a storm?

DANIEL: In the eye of the storm, yes. I did make that connection, yes.

KRIS: Indeed. It was in many ways, offered for everyone, but particularly for the two of you lovely birds.

NATASHA: Thank you so much, Kris.

ELLA: I just want to ask you then, at the top of this evening’s session was mentioned the stepping stone analogy and then for the entire time you kept saying in your speech “stepping stone, stepping stone.” Was that also (words lost)?

KRIS: In the action of presenting the materials, whether with your lovely group, or a larger group, in person or otherwise, we gather much information, as much as can be processed and then literally feed it back to you through the mechanisms of Joseph’s vocal chords and voice as best as possible so that your conscious minds and senses are engaged to one degree or another. You could say that we cast a psychological fishing net and catch much fish with it during these kinds of actions and then prepare the fish into a nice meal that is then served to you containing many of the ingredients that you supply.

ELLA: That is a very good analogy.

KRIS: Thus there are times when you may think of something and in a short amount of time we address that without asking you about it.

ELLA: Many times, yes. Many, many times.

KRIS: Thus, there is a collaboration of the most wonderful kind of energy exchange and that is what an energy exchange is also about. It is not only about some great Daddy entity giving information or knowledge. It is about sharing. That is, after all, what “exchange” means, does it not?

ELLA: But we feel…I personally feel a lot of what you are giving, but what do you take from us? I know you do, but how do we share, I want to know…

(The others in the background echo Ella’s query.)

What do we offer to you that you feel beneficial?

KRIS: You offer us the opportunity to share in some of your experiences, in your love, and in the pursuit of your joy of manifesting life, existence. That momentary sharing is to us the greatest of gifts, much in the same way that the parent watches the child grow and become their own person, taking the elements of the parent’s life. Do you follow?

ELLA: Very much and I want to express for myself and hopefully from the group, you are welcome to share in my life at any time. What I have to offer is yours.

KRIS: Then we thank you for your most generous consideration, energetically and otherwise, for the time that we have shared with you and perhaps we look forward to other sharings.

ELLA: Definitely and we are very deeply grateful for being with you.

KRIS: We can only offer an ocean of gratitude in return and may your dreams, your weekend and your days be filled with wonder at the creatures that you are.

ALL: Thank you.

(Session ends at 6:31 PM)

Kris Radio: Happiness

June 21, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 21, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator, I’m your co-host this evening and I am here with…

JOHN: And its John Hawkins joining you again, very happy to be here on a Thursday night, on a very, very beautiful day in Toronto and we have with us this evening of course…

(Chuckling)

SERGE: Me, Serge.

MARK: The infamous ‘me’.

SERGE: Yup! I wanna mention briefly that we got some very good feedback from having Robert in last week, a lot of people appreciated his line of questioning, where he was going with it and his interaction with us, so maybe we can have him join us in the future as well!

MARK: (Mark confirms) That’d be nice.

SERGE: At other occasions, not that the two of you are you know, you’re doing a fine job.

JOHN: You know, the more the merrier. I found his questions very interesting too!

SERGE: Yup.

JOHN: There’s some questions that just don’t occur me, you know.

MARK: It’s nice to have a fresh perspective…

JOHN: Oh, definitely!

MARK: …from time to time, that third body in here, as guests, bringing guests, provide that, it’s suitable. So it’s the summer solstice today!

JOHN: Right.

MARK: First day of summer! Woohoo!

SERGE: Have you had your solstice today?

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Yes, and following up on some advice on the newworldview discussion forum…

MARK: Newworldview.com.

JOHN: Newworldview.com, I did the cleansing ceremony which Kris has suggested, it might be appropriate for the solstices or the equinoxes, whatever… couple times a year he said would be good, and it felt nice to light a candle and thank the universe for all the energies and return the unused, unexplored possibilities back to the universe to be recycled.

MARK: That cleansing ceremony can also be found on the Krischronicles.com website in the transcripts section, I’m not sure which year we put it up, but it’s called the cleansing ceremony, very simple and loving way to cleanse the mind and the body and the spirit!

JOHN: Yeah, it’s a nice idea too, the idea that we are given, really, more energy than we can possibly use and sometimes we store it away in inappropriate ways and it just causes us trouble, you may as well recycle it and let somebody else play with it, and of course the other side of that is that you make room for some nice fresh energies that are appropriate for what you’re going through now!

(Mark confirms)

MARK: Recently, in fact just on Sunday I believe it was, Kris announced that he would like to have another workshop in the fall: The Happiness Project.

JOHN: Yeah, that sounds fun doesn’t it?

MARK: Very intriguing, very intriguing. It’s obviously in the preliminary stages, we haven’t, we just basically started planning it now, but we will let you know the details as we know them. It’s probably going to be late September or possibly October, so… but we’ll keep you informed of all our upcoming events.

SERGE: It’s just a one day workshop, huh?

MARK: One a day workshop.

JOHN: Yes, Myrna was saying that she hoped it didn’t interfere, coincide with Yom Kippur.

MARK: Yeah, I’m trying desperately to work around that… try to keep it open for as many people as possible… and Thanksgiving too, in October, early October, first week of October.

JOHN: Really?

MARK: Yeah, it’s first weekend, it’s early this year.

JOHN: Really?

SERGE: That soon?

MARK: I think so.

SERGE: Wow.

MARK: Mind you, I could be wrong, I’ve been known to be wrong before.

JOHN: Well he, Kris introduced that by asking a couple of questions, ‘are you happy with your life? Are you having the kind of life that you wanna be having?’ And he said quite provocatively that the happiness project seminar workshop, that the results of it would be self-evident, so I’m guessing that, that might be some happiness!

(Laughter)

JOHN: Which is always a good thing.

MARK: That’s always a good thing. Happy, happy, happy! Oh, Serge is starting to yawn, that’s a sign… he’ll be coming along soon.

JOHN: Oh that’s quite a noisy little camera isn’t it?

(Background chuckles)

(Pause)

JOHN: Well we are just waiting here in the moment, and we will be joined by Kris I expect, all things being equal.

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: Indeed, and yours as well.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Of course it is to your advantage to ask questions about happiness. It is even in some way to your advantage to be skeptical about happiness. So if you do have any questions along those lines, please feel free.

JOHN: Well I did actually have a question, I was wondering what the intent of the workshop, I mean it seems fairly self-evident actually, but do you have anything more to tell us about what we can expect from that workshop?

KRIS: Indeed. The quest for happiness has a very long history with the manifestation of your species. Human beings and other creatures also seek as you do, for that which gives them pleasure, for that which makes them happy. And especially in your modern society where consumerism has been elevated to a high addictive art, the quest for happiness in some respects has taken on a different meaning.

Many believe for instance that, a new washer or dryer is what happiness is about, or a new car, a new home, a new job, a new career. Having these things and getting these things will surely bring you the happiness you so crave. Having more friends, more money in the bank, bigger property, and the list could go on and on and as you well know, and so many times, even with the acquisition of all of the above and more, the individual may still come to realize that something else must bring happiness because the having of all these things was supposed to bring happiness but it did not. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: All too well.

KRIS: This is not a putdown on your culture’s achievements, but more so an item to investigate, so what could this elusive thing that people are searching for truly be? This happiness thing, what is it? What kind of creature is it? What does it eat? What does it drink? Do you have to walk it?

(Laughter)

JOHN: I don’t know, but I don’t think it requires washing machines and cars because I have heard people who come back from what we call third-world countries, and apart from the fact that there’s tremendous poverty with all that that entails, quite frequently people will report that the peasants in the countryside who are you know, living quite simple lives are laughing and seem to be really quite happy!

KRIS: And that is our point exactly. One’s values may indeed need to be explored, and depending upon the kinds of values and of course the beliefs that one holds in those areas is very important, for the outcome is what will tell of the kinds of things you put into the process. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh yes.

MARK: Yeah. Hugh, you have a question?

HUGH: Yeah, I… just before Kris entered the room I was getting water for myself in the kitchen and I was thinking about happiness so when Kris started to mention it, I feel compelled to ask a question and…

KRIS: Will water bring you happiness? (background chuckling) Only if you are in the Sahara.

HUGH: Right. Well, I was just thinking about, I guess the struggle, I guess to be happy or trying to be happy in the context of… everything in this world ends up basically dying, turning to dust, everything, and so the whole idea of… just thinking about things that once were and are no longer, and those kinds of things that I think about you know, when I have a nostalgia for something that’s long gone, sometimes I find it difficult to be happy thinking about that and thinking about the fact that everything will ultimately go that way and even today now, with things like the environment and nature itself, and with the species disappearing and our, you know, the very environment that sustains us seems to be under attack, and how… I’m interested in your comments about how we strive for happiness in that context.

KRIS: Indeed, a very valid perspective indeed. And we certainly understand that position in a reality as it is described in this way, and for this we must return to a previous presentation to take into consideration whether the glass is half full or half empty. It does depend upon the perspective and attitudes involved and just as there may be apparent assaults from all fronts, one coming from life itself in the throes of its own termination, and still, a different perspective can be cultivated, not to the point of ignoring all of what life is about but also adding to the perspective that even in those situations that you have described, there are as many moments and experiences to be had towards their release of happiness from within as there are opportunities to restrain and cloister that happiness that comes from within, depending upon the perspective.

One can look at all of the modern events and become so outraged, demanding of people ‘why are you laughing, having fun, enjoying life when on the other side of the street there are people that go hungry, people that are sick, people even dying. How dare you have fun, be happy and enjoy life?’ Do you follow so far?

HUGH: Yeah, so far.

KRIS: Indeed.

HUGH: Although some people find it hard to laugh themselves… maybe they’d like to… but find it difficult to join the party.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus one can focus almost exclusively on those situations that seem macabre indeed, and that is a question of choice, choosing the perspective one desires to entertain. One can just as easily look towards the other side of the street and see beautiful children enjoying their chasing of a butterfly or a kitty cat, young lovers holding hands, smiling into each other’s eyes, older folks doing almost the same thing, people talking about plans, establishing projects with their lives, exploring different ways that they can display their own joy and happiness.

These are two very different sides of perspectives, and if one begins to explore and contemplate the latter side of the street where the children are playing, lovers holding hands and so on, one can focus upon the atmosphere so generously offered and take advantage of it, such that you begin to focus upon and concentrate upon that same atmosphere of joy and happiness, and your life can indeed be transformed. Or one can choose to focus solely on other aspects of life: poverty, death, illness, destruction, mayhem and literally feel the life being drained from your own limbs such that by the choice of concentration, any happiness can simply evaporate from your perspective.

And so from our own perspective, it is then a question of perspective and the perspective is an issue of choice. And one does not need to negate the other, they can and do very nicely coexist just as the poor coexist with the rich, the beautiful coexist with the not so beautiful, the intelligent coexist with the not so intelligent and so on and so forth. Thus in recognizing that your state of mind, your feelings about life are a matter of choice can make a world of difference to yourself. Does that make sense to you? Even if you were interrupted with a phone call?

HUGH: (laughing) Yes it does, thanks.

MARK: So in other words, we could say that ‘yes, everything dies’ or we could say that ‘everything is transformed’.

KRIS: Because though everything dies, everything is also born.

MARK: I’m reminded of the great plague which brought about a change for the planet. Prior to the great plague, there was poverty at the worst that this planet’s probably ever seen and the world was full of depression and sadness and people didn’t have much to look forward to.

KRIS: And oppression.

MARK: Oppression is a good word, yes, but that plague brought about a great change, correct?

KRIS: Though the situation looked dire indeed with well over a third of European population succumbing to the illness, it brought about advances on many fronts of life which to a great degree did occasion the great transformations of society. Please continue.

MARK: Oh that’s all I had. (Laughing)

KRIS: Then indeed, do understand that the frame of mind, the mental atmosphere, the tone of your psychology does exert a powerful influence upon your own physical, biological and molecular structure. Not unlike certain kinds of radiation fields exert a powerful influence, say upon minerals. Or as is also recognized, emotional and psychological thought energy will drastically influence the molecular structure of water, so do your own thought patterns, tones and atmospheres and so on, exert a powerful influence upon your own physical, biological and molecular structure even to the point of altering the particular… we will use the word ‘orientation’ but it is presently not specifically the one we desire.

But this will exert a powerful influence on to the orientation of the magnetic fields of your cellular structure down to the level of the DNA. And focusing upon instances and events and circumstances that elicit and evoke joy and happiness from you, literally allows your energies open up and receive the flow of consciousness unimpeded. Events, conditions, concentrations and choices that focus upon its opposite, unhappiness, dark thoughts as you know them does the complete opposite. It constricts and restricts the flow of consciousness and may even hinder other functions within your energy fields for a period of time to follow.

Now we are not talking here about instances where you have a moment of sadness or unhappiness whilst the rest of your day is as bright as sunshine. We are speaking of specific situations where an individual may even deliberately concentrate upon all of what he or she considers their darkest torments, deliberately refusing that other perspective that can so deeply and constructively affect their lives. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: Sort of like the old adage of misery likes company.

KRIS: Indeed. You do get what you concentrate upon.

JOHN: Well that can create a kind of a… a kind of a vicious circle in a sense.

KRIS: Indeed. It creates a cascading effect in exactly the same way that concentrating upon whatever mood elevates your happiness levels creates a cascading effect. More begetting more. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, it makes sense for sure.

MARK: Yeah, and unfortunately it makes too much sense for me. I’ve been in that state (chuckling) and I’ve been… it’s to the point where I’ve been in depressions and yeah… I have turned that way, even when it’s in my face as sometimes I… I once… I’ve been in those situations where you would repel any possible joy.

KRIS: Indeed, and these have to do with various values that you hold in your life, each and every one of you. These may pertain to issues of self-worth and other relatable belief structures. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes I do, mine were definitely self-worth issues at that time of my life.

KRIS: And behind lack of self-worth you would also again find issues dealing with angers and resentments.

MARK: No objection there.

KRIS: So the purpose of participating in a day like the one we wish to create with you, thus co-create, the happiness project is meant to build a foundation where you know specifically how your body, your attitudes, your expressions of various subject matters will be affected by your state of mind, by your moods.

The goal being exploring more and more and deeper layers of happiness and how to anchor those within your life so that you no longer have to look at your life, scratching your head or something else, and wondering ‘if life is supposed to be a bowl of cherries how come I am in the pits? If I am supposed to look for a bright future, how come it looks as if someone has dimmed the lights too low? If I am to take the train towards a great career, how come it left without me? And so on and so forth. By cultivating a strong perspective in this area, utilizing it specifically as a tool to magnify the flow of consciousness, what do you think you will get?

MARK: Happiness.

HUGH: More and more happiness.

KRIS: And are you ready for that?

ALL: Oh yes.

KRIS: Then, set up the day.

MARK: Working on it.

JOHN: Now just to follow up something, Kris. You suggested, you used the word ‘allow’, sometimes we allow happiness to come through and sometimes we restrict it and restrain it.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And the implication of what you just said is that as we increase the flow of consciousness, we increased the happiness factor. Is it fair to say then that consciousness, just plain consciousness allowed to flow freely equals happiness?

KRIS: Indeed. Even consciousness itself seeks the happiness derived from pleasure.

(Pause)

KRIS: Silent are you now?

MARK: We’re both jotting down the quote. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Yeah, that was such a juicy one that we wanted to record it for posterity. Yes happiness, consciousness is continually seeking pleasure because it produ… it produ… well happiness comes from pleasure. Is there any other source of happiness? Is that it, is that the equation, pleasure equals happiness?

KRIS: There are many kinds of pleasures…

JOHN: Ah.

KRIS: In your perspective, and this also has to be factored in, your own human perspectives on pleasure. For consciousness, the expressions of life in all of its varieties is its pleasure.

JOHN: Okay, so just thinking again from my human perspective here, let’s look at the world from the point of view as Essence and say okay, it seems simplistic to think that Essence is always blissfully happy, I suspect that there’s a gradient there too.

KRIS: If you are referring to traditional views of a being with an angelic smile plastered on its face, sitting on a cloud, plucking in harp for eternity, we would tend to interpret this as rather unchallenging and boring.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: In this kind of case, wearing a red suit with a pitchfork in a warmer climate might prove more interesting.

JOHN: Yeah, for sure.

KRIS: At least in this way, you can go to the pub and have a very good time with your buddies. So consciousness is not sterile, it simply involves itself with expressions of life in all of its varieties, and from our perspective, your planet, your various species, including yourselves are not all the varieties of life available to consciousness.

JOHN: Hmm.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 7:41.

KRIS: Then perhaps you might like a very happy little break.

MARK: Indeed.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: We’re back here on Kris radio on thatradio.com, and we’ve been chatting about happiness and the upcoming happiness project.

KRIS: Indeed and we are only too happy to oblige.

Hugh, your comment during the break is very apropos. The happier an individual is, the better overall their life is and the more enjoyable life itself becomes. It no longer becomes a struggle that saps the strength from your soul. Even the work environment seems magically transformed, and that is the key. Happiness is not only a state of mind, a state of being. It is not only a feeling, somewhat emotionally based but it is a key, and this key opens up life’s energy flow.

So not only are individuals more productive, healthier, but the whole of life is transformed because your powerful and creative subconscious mind sees to it that what you concentrate upon is mirrored in life, it is projected and confirmed right through the expressions of physical life. Physical reality then confirms your concentration. Does this make sense to you?

MARK: Oh yes.

HUGH: Yes.

KRIS: So it is indeed a question of choice in many, many respects. Do you have any questions or comments? Or are you simply happy the way it is?

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Yeah, I’m happy with that.

KRIS: Thus the idea behind a one day workshop or seminar as you call it, in the happiness project is to assist you in discovering just how powerful a key happiness is, and how what you can use it. And as you both are well aware, we have many ways to share this with individuals as we have also some tricks up are non-physical sleeves.

JOHN: Yes, you are tricky. It’s good!

KRIS: Please continue.

JOHN: Well I don’t want to… perhaps we should slide past the topic of happiness because we don’t wanna get you know, I mean we want to leave something for the weekend, right?

KRIS: You may trust that we have far more…

JOHN: Oh good.

KRIS: …available. This is skimming the very top.

JOHN: Ah, good. Well perhaps if you don’t mind, a quick question about the last Lotus Mind workshop that we’ve had, and I was chatting with the boys here before our session and mentioning that I had personally been feeling a little unmotivated, a little disoriented, actually dizzy, you know physically dizzy for several days and I was wondering if that was related in any way to the experience.

KRIS: Indeed. You can say that you experienced a kind of overload.

JOHN: Aha.

KRIS: And this will pass, you simply need to rest.

JOHN: Okay, very good. Thank you.

MARK: Getting back to happiness, I’m just remembering a tool that you gave me, or gave us, that I found very productive, very useful. And that is falling in love.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Not with an individual or a thing, an object, but just… just falling in love, those emotions and those feelings, and bring those about, and I tell you, you couldn’t pry that smile off my face with a crowbar, very effective.

JOHN: Can I ask you a question about that Mark?

MARK: Yup.

JOHN: My experience of falling in love is that it’s not something that I’m really consciously, like it just kinda happens? So how do you choose? I mean I’m perfectly happy to think of it as a choice, I’m eager to think of it as a choice but I’m not quite sure how that would work.

MARK: I believe that I brought it about by recapturing something that… or an event, or where I was in love, where I did experience those feelings and I concentrated on the feelings, not necessarily on the object or the person, but brought back and allowed those emotions to come back into me and I tell you, the colors, the sounds, the smells that day were just phenomenal.

KRIS: Indeed because nothing takes you closer to framework 2 than this.

MARK: State of allowing. … WOW!

KRIS: And it is again about allowing as opposed to opposing. Now you can oppose your opposing by allowing. It is again a very interesting play. Please feel free to continue.

JOHN: Okay, well there’s always the, uh yes…

MARK: You’ve got us. (Laughing)

JOHN: I’m drawing a blank, I feel like an idiot. Oh I say, you know what, I’m gonna remind folks of Doctor what’s his name, Moto?

HUGH: Dr. Emoto. [http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/entop.html]

JOHN: Dr. Emoto, the guy who does the water stuff? Is going to be in Toronto… July…

MARK: 1st, Canada day.

JOHN: July 1st, and he’s going to do some process to purify Lake Ontario which I think is a fantastic idea and I want to lend energy to that project.

KRIS: Apparently that will make you happy.

JOHN: That would make me happy, yes!

HUGH: Apparently he’s gonna be in Orillia tomorrow night as well.

JOHN: Oh!

HUGH: Doing something up there as well.

MARK: Lake Simcoe?

HUGH: Yeah.

MARK: There’s a lot of water there.

JOHN: Just to relate that Kris, this is related to what you were mentioning earlier.

KRIS: Indeed, we are aware of the gentleman’s work with the memory of water.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: What about for those people out there that are not familiar? This was in ‘What the bleep’, correct?

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: There was a movie out there, “What The Bleep Do We Know”

JOHN: It’s all on the internet as well.

MARK: Dr. Emoto has made some brilliant discoveries regarding emotions and water.

HUGH: What he’s found is that when you bless water or have happy thoughts around water, that when you crystallize it, it creates beautiful crystalline shapes. And on the other hand when you… you know, curse it or you know, have unhappy thoughts or depressed thoughts at water, then you crystallize the same water and it has a these ugly, lumpy little sad…

KRIS: Indeed, the molecular structure becomes almost mutated in such a manner that the flow of life force is hindered.

JOHN: Yes, it’s a wonderful visual, physical demonstration of what we’ve been talking about.

KRIS: Indeed, because just as the molecules of the water are affected by the kinds of thought energies, emotions and feelings, words and tensions etcetera, so the molecular structure and the DNA in your bodies is just as affected by what you entertain in your own mind. What you hold in your conscious awareness. That energy exerts a strong influence on the molecular structure and the DNA of your body.

JOHN: Well our bodies are something like 70 percent water anyway. I think Hugh had a question.

HUGH: Yeah, related to the Dr. Emoto, I think one of the things he did was he played classical music…

JOHN: Yes.

HUGH: …to the water, and that would make the water crystallize nicely.

KRIS: Indeed.

HUGH: And then he would play rock music or you know…

JOHN: Heavy metal.

HUGH: Yeah.

MARK: We’re in trouble with the nightclubs down at the waterfront playing rock music.

(Laughter)

HUGH: And of course the water was much less nicely crystallized with that kind of music and I just wondered Kris, if you have any …and yet certain people, myself included, like rock music, and like some pretty heavy music sometimes. Do you have any comment about that kind of music and what it’s doing to us?

KRIS: Depending upon the intent and the energy what the rock music conveys because there are still some pleasant rock songs and there are unpleasant ones. Do you follow?

HUGH: Yes.

MARK: Does it matter if you play them forward or backward?

(Laughing)

KRIS: Only if you play them sideways upside-down. Now you can all try experimentation, for instance you are familiar with your bottled water…

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: …because your intent will also influence the molecular structure of the water. Thus an individual may hold a bottle of water in their hands with the intention of infusing the energy within the water with heartfelt, loving and supportive thoughts, and the molecular structure of the water and the energy will align itself with your intent, thus capturing that intent within its molecular subatomic particles.

JOHN: Wow!

KRIS: And drinking that water exerts a very healthy influence in your body.

JOHN: Wow! So really we should bless, or think happy nurturing thoughts towards everything we put in their bodies!

KRIS: Correct.

MARK: And we should dip into the holy water every now and then. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Thus you can utilize such a very simple process, you may even experiment, and with a bottle of water, send all of your darkest shadows, incongruencies, inequities, all of the sordid beliefs that are available, and infuse the water molecules with that. And it does not mean that the water will taste bad, but you will definitely notice a drop in your own energy levels before too long.

MARK: We’ve just come full circle back to the cleansing ceremony that we started the show out with.

KRIS: Thus concentrate your intent in a loving matter towards bottled water for instance, and take advantage of its properties.

JOHN: So our intent is fantastically powerful.

KRIS: Correct. You barely know the bulk of it. And yet if you look about your world, you can see that your intent is incredible indeed. Look at what you have constructed and created within your own world and society, not only Western society, but entire planet with all of its varied expressions out of intent.

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: And still you barely know the bulk of it.

MARK: The placebo effect.

JOHN: So really, if I can just paraphrase some of my understanding, our job if we can think of it that way, is to have a wholesome, nourishing intent and let the details take care of themselves.

KRIS: Indeed if you make allowances for this, that is in many respects exactly what will happen.

JOHN: Right…. Wow.

KRIS: So if your intent is happiness, then who is there to say otherwise?

JOHN: Look out! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:01.

KRIS: Indeed, we will leave you to your happy selves and happy thoughts, and may all of what you drink be wonderful.

ALL: Thank you.

MARK: That was very enlightening.

JOHN: Yeah I just… while he was saying it, I poured all the love and gorgeous intentions into my bottle of water here and I’ve been drinking it greedily ever since.

MARK: Well kids, that’s our time for the night. I’d like to say thanks to Hugh for participating tonight and manning the boards, and here on thatradio.com, and we will see you next Thursday night at the same time. Goodnight!

(Session ends)

Psychic Perceptions – The Board Game (Life in Tuscany – Part 1)

June 17, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 17, 2007
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Lorraine (Saggan), Marsha (Or-Inna), Joanna (Devana), and David (Elohim)

(7:45 PM)

KRIS: Now then we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

(Thank you)

We may have another small project for all of you to participate in, in one capacity or another. Certainly each of you knows one person who can interest another person, who can interest another person, and so on. We are suggesting perhaps second or third Saturday of September and one day then. We will call it “The Happiness Project” subtitled “Are You Getting What You Want Out of Life?” Are you living the life you want? Joseph can add some material we have previously given.

Thus it is quite possible for each of you to interest one other or as many others as you desire to participate in the one day event. The rewards themselves will be self-evident.

Now, enough advertisement and marketing.

(Group chuckling)

We have a question for you, each of you. What does your life and yourself tell you about the universe?….(Pause)…Consider very carefully that the question is a presupposition because it presumes that your life has something to do with the universe and in return the universe obviously has something to do with you. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

MYRNA: Well, if it didn’t, we haven’t been looking too carefully.

(Group laughter)

I started off in this lifetime believing my external world was malevolent and much of what occurred for many of my years supported that evidence, that belief. I have come to understand, since I’m the universe and I have power, that I can create whatever it is I want and so in the last, however long, that I get a very strong sense that….benevolence is the word I would use…and it’s about me now, so what I see reflected in my universe, in my life, is the change of belief I have….no, change in attention. My practice, my discipline of the practices, being here and working with John has helped me create a different external world and obviously that had to happen first internally. So I would use the word….I would not say “malevolent” anymore, I don’t feel that at all.

MARK: In hindsight was it really malevolent? Was the universe really malevolent?

MYRNA: No, I would suggest that what we created around us…

MARK: It might have the appearance –

MYRNA: The appearance, yeah.

MARK: But in hindsight, was it?

MYRNA: No…knowing what I know now? No, but it didn’t matter. The perception at that time was that I lived here.

KRIS: Thus in so many words, you have discovered that physical reality, the physical universe, material nature is an aspect of your own energies that very kindly and even we should say, submissively, gives you confirmation of what you believe. Is that so?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: That would imply that you have, to a certain degree, unsubscribed from the majority of official line of consciousness news bulletins.

MYRNA: Yes. That’s a good word. I’ve unsubscribed.

KRIS: Indeed. Who else would like to verbalize?

JOHN: What occurred to me immediately when you asked the question, Kris….question is, “what does your life and yourself tell you about the universe?” I think my life and myself tells me everything that’s meaningful about the universe.

KRIS: And if you had to bring it down to specifics?

JOHN: I think that on a moment-to-moment basis, myself and my life tell me what I needed to know, in that moment, about the universe….what’s meaningful for me in that moment.

KRIS: Indeed. Please feel free to continue around the room.

MARK: Okay, I’ll go. I would have to say compassionate, loving, joyous creature….fun-loving, and not only for myself, but for others, so that tells me that the universe is a very compassionate and loving place that wants to nurture.

KRIS: And why would the universe be compassionate?

MARK: Because I am. It’s my universe, after all.

LORRAINE: Like Myrna, I…. well, not like you, but I’m going to use some of the same language. I grew up with a lot of fear. I would say fear pretty well ruled my life. I know intellectually that the universe is benevolent, the universe is loving, the universe is generous, caring, and so am I as an individual, so I reflect that.

MYRNA: The universe reflects you.

LORRAINE: Okay, I’m saying I reflect that. Those are my words. The other part is that intellectually I know a lot of that. Where I cause trouble for myself I would say, is that the intellectual me and the emotional aren’t together yet, that even though intellectually I know about abundance and loving and kindness and so on, I still feel that what I’m doing is reducing the fear factor and increasing the joy and the trust and as I increase the joy and the trust, I trust myself more. And I suppose with the fear of all the horrible things that can happen and so on and the power of thought….that that’s what I’m thinking, then that’s what I get. The universe says, “Sure, I’ll give it to you. You can bring it in.”

KRIS: Thus you have already concluded in some manner or another that you need to be aware of what it is that you ponder, lest you manifest that as well.

MYRNA: Yes. So I…it’s just sort of like a huge machine, or whatever, to turn around change….I haven’t got the right word at the moment….from one type of thinking and behavior to more positive…. slowly, quickly, or whatever…. and believe, though you know I realize the power of my own beliefs and…. hope….and at the moment I guess I’m working on connecting the dots and the gaps.

KRIS: Indeed. Next.

DAVID: The first thing that popped into my head was the word, “sweetness.” Sometimes it’s awe-inspiring sweetness and to put it into historical context it would be getting faint sense of….in the Bible where, that person’s hair would start to turn white, or in the ‘Gita where Shiva or Krishna…an unfolding, multi-dimensions [that] says “Stop it. It’s too big, it’s too awesome, it’s too beautiful,” and sometimes I get a faint sense of that sweetness.

KRIS: Indeed. Next.

JOANNA: What I find is that…and it has taken me a hundred years to understand that I am the actor, this is my stage and the universe is me, and what I put on the stage of life is what I dreamed, therefore I’m totally responsible for everything that has happened and will happen as a result of which…. (loudly) I HAVE CHANGED MY WAY OF THINKING! There you go.

KRIS: Indeed.

(Group chuckling)

JOANNA: (Chuckling also) Indeed!

KRIS: And we would take it then, that you have discovered Ponce de Leon’s fountain of youth?

(Group laughter)

JOANNA: That too!

KRIS: All of your answers and observations are correct. Not a single one could possibly be wrong. It is not possible, because you are what defines your life. You are what defines the universe and physical reality. So all of what you put into it is what you get. And there is no specific right or wrong way to do this, you simply do it naturally. It is to you as instinctive as it is to the beaver to build a dam, to the bee to collect pollen, or to the hummingbird to gather nectar. That is your level of instinct.

You bring together varieties of thoughts and concepts much like in our analogy of the carpet weaver, bringing together to his studio fibers from around the world, fibers from India, China and Africa, England, Australia, South America and so on. But in his studio, the carpet maker has learned the magic and the art of transforming these various fibers into his carpet masterpiece. It is composed of a variety of fibers from many places near and far, but once done, once transformed through his skillful art, it no longer resembles any of its previous, separate parts, but ends up being a totally different and fascinating product. So you pull from different aspects of your lives, many different energies, fibers, and you weave them together on your magical loom and you create that life that you so masterfully define for yourself. Does this make sense?

JOHN: Very nice.

KRIS: Do you follow?

MARSHA: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Now in the process of creating your magical carpet, you also pool together, the energies, the fabrics and the fibers of other lifetimes, other focuses. And varieties of these fabrics sometimes appear close to the surface, are sometimes more visible under the scrutiny of the carpet weaver’s eyes than others, though they still blend very nicely into the entire texture of this carpet.

By this we mean that though your unique personality is especially designed by your lovely selves, there are moments that you can call “bleed throughs” where some of the fabrics, the fibers of your lives, may be recognized as coming from another aspect of your own multi-dimensional self. As such, most people are not necessarily aware that this is occurring, but with some practice, it is entirely plausible to tap into those aspects and even enact them to a certain degree. Do you follow? Or are we being clearly ambiguous?

(Group chuckling.) [Lately Kris seems to be getting a kick out of the contradictory phrase "clearly ambiguous" that he picked up from Serge. He has been using it quite a bit lately.]

JOHN: Just wondering about the word “enact.”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: “That you can tap into and ‘enact’ them.”

KRIS: Correct. Say that in the thirteenth century in some small Italian monastery each of you participated in a scenario, perhaps after a hard day of smashing grapes to make wine under the hot Tuscan sun, some of you may be tired and irritable and may have said things to each other that could have soured the fine wine of the day, philosophically speaking. And perhaps even in retrospect, much time after the event, had regretted what you had said to each other, perhaps of or due to some factors apparently beyond your control, but say that in today’s world, some of you seem to agree with each other and like each other, but every once in awhile, something seems to curdle your milk, even though none was spilled.

Perhaps it is something you sensed from the other from time to time and it seems to rub you the wrong way though you have NO point of reference in your present reality for what could possibly have triggered such a reaction from you. And then you found yourselves in a very safe and nurturing atmosphere where you can fine tune that sense that you get that seems to press some unknown button within you that may even make you slightly irritable towards the other, another, and you found yourselves in such a safe, nurturing environment that you could then begin to voice and explore those ancient, apparently dormant, memories that seem to come to the surface of your conscious mind.

MARSHA: Oh, you’re wily!

KRIS: Indeed.

MARSHA: Oh, indeed!

KRIS: And you ventured daringly and boldly in the experience, being your own preferred version of Captain Kirk!

(Group chuckles)

Venturing where you have not gone before, and began to converse about that event many centuries ago where someone said something, and being more slightly Italian, you would have taken it perhaps the wrong way simply because it is the same (inaudible word). And you explored the context of this energy and discovered that beneath the surface is a great and healing therapeutic communication. What would you say?

MYRNA: Of course the safe place being here…what would I say?….Um….I would say that I didn’t know what had happened in the thirteenth century….(beginning to crack up)

KRIS: Say for instance we said, out of the blue, “Brother Giovanni, why did you call me fat and ugly? It hurt my feelings. Even though I may be rather portly and homely in such a way that only my mama could love me,” and you followed suit.

MYRNA: I don’t have to talk to brother Giovanni and it isn’t about being fat. I have experienced within the last six to eight months an aspect of myself — and I just figured I hadn’t explored my Hitler before — but I have experienced an aspect of myself that scares the hell out of me where I become enraged, and there are two women in my life that I’m like that around. I have spoken about this, and I’ve not spoken about this and the courage right now to be clear about that… I can see myself quite anxious.

KRIS: Indeed and do keep in mind this is a theoretical discussion.

MYRNA: Theoretical, yes. Well, fine. Theoretical. So…I take from this that some of this might be a bleed through….(Laughs)…I got to get off this train!….Why are we doing this theoretically?

KRIS: Keep in mind that portly and homely Italian monks are wily! We are exploring this theoretically at this time because not all of you are quite there yet. Some of your own emotional foundations is still a little bit shaky, but a certain point of beginning must be established.

What we are looking towards establishing….and Joseph caught a hint of this on Sunday evening…..[NOTE: The previous Sunday night, after the Lotus Mind Workshop, a small group, consisting of Emmy, Serge, Mark, Ester, Cathy, Paul, Jo and Ellen gathered together and did play out such a reincarnation drama therapy as Kris is referring to, centered around Emmy's World War II focus personality. It was a powerful experience on many levels.]….. but we wish to take Ruburt’s reincarnation dramas to the next state, and that is the potential of creating a therapy: Reincarnational Therapy. Working with aspects in this framework. It is not a small endeavor, because many factors, many fibers, have to be taken into consideration to weave that carpet.

MYRNA: Is it possible I was exposed to that through Gestalt Therapy? In other words, what Perls talked about was taking aspects of a greater personality and putting them in chairs and having dialogs with those aspects that come up.

KRIS: These are not unlike this, but instead of sharing dream parts, we are dealing with living, dynamic reincarnational aspects that are just as vibrant a thousand years ago as they are today, because from each of your perspectives, you are the center of that multi-dimensional universe. But all of your other aspects are not unlike distant celestial bodies, constellations, even galaxies. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

But they can be – we shall simply say – gently exposed, brought to the surface and this requires a good foundation in your own emotional nature so that you do not forget that you are not that aspect, though it is contained within your own unique cosmology. Does that make sense?

LORRAINE: Not for me.

KRIS: You are, basically, more than the sum of all of your parts. What are some of these other parts? They are all psychological. Many of them you would call other focuses, reincarnational selves. The idea is to bring some of these other reincarnational selves out of your own mental closet and interact with other selves through other people. So it is a kind of dramatization enacting those particular lives as if your seventeenth century nun were still holding a discussion with another individual in this room that occurred back then in quote unquote “historical” sense.

LORRAINE: Okay, then. I understand that.

KRIS: Indeed. In order to do this, it does require that you each understand the emotional foundation that is already set in your lives as something very solid. We would not invite anyone whose own emotional foundations are fragile. They may already have enough challenge in understanding who they presently are and this may even confuse the issue. Do you follow?

(Yes)

However, with a group of individuals who are emotionally stable and strong, then the official line of consciousness which we have spoken of frequently over these last several weeks can then be stretched ever so slightly so that unofficial aspects of your lives can peek through your eyes and can hold discussions and discourses and the entire theme is therapeutic.

LORRAINE: So are you saying, for instance, there can be conversations, say with Myrna and I where we are each, talking about or speaking, with the memory of past lives that….we may not necessarily be conscious of it, but…not but, and…it’s quite a possibility.

KRIS: Indeed.

LORRAINE: And that what we’re doing, when she and I would be talking, is bringing out that piece –

KRIS: To enact it as if you were now those individuals.

LORRAINE: Without consciously realizing it.

KRIS: You would be consciously aware of it. You would simply allow the other aspects to participate as if suddenly you are on stage left, observing another aspect of you interact on center stage.

LORRAINE: Oh….Okay.

KRIS: Does this make sense to you?

LORRAINE: I think so.

KRIS: Any other questions?

LORRAINE: So you’re saying that I could actually be observing my own self as if I’m outside of that the person who’s acting…

JOHN: We’re talking about role playing here, right?

KRIS: Indeed.

LORRAINE: Conscious role-playing?

KRIS: And it is an improvisational role-playing.

LORRAINE: So I’m conscious…?

KRIS: Indeed!

MARK: Do you want us to hit you over the head with a hammer? (Laughs)

LORRAINE: No…it’s starting to emerge. I must be a little more [obtuse] tonight than usual.

MARK: So my question would be…like, I’ve done this, obviously in the real thing….and now, would we just be assigned roles?

KRIS: Indeed not, each individual, if the allowing is engaged, each individual can definitely notice when a connecting aspect in the other becomes present. All the other has to do is follow suit, tag along. The conscious mind may definitely object. It may even say, “What kind of crap is this?!”

(Laughter)

However, if you can quell your resistances momentarily, put your disbelief aside, and play along, play the game, you will find much healing. How many of you CAN remember when you were young, playing make-believe?

(Yes)

Did you have any difficulties?

(No)

JOHN: No, it was fun.

KRIS: Indeed. This then, can be considered reincarnational make-believe.

JOHN: Can I ask a question, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: This sounds like a very fun new project. As a matter of fact, just a crazy idea, but I think it might be fun on a Toronto evening to actually try a few of these.

KRIS: That is the entire point. You should know by now we rarely ever speak simply to hear ourselves speak and we usually foxily lay out nice plans!

JOHN: Yes. So now, I’m just going to throw out a nice scenario here. Let’s say two people agree they want to try this, so they get into a kind of a relaxed state and open themselves and engage the allowing and one of them suddenly sort of locks into an aspect and the other one responds to that and they start flowing with it and it’s improvisational. Now, is there any intention….in other words, at one level they can just have the same argument they had in the thirteenth century and –

KRIS: Yes! That is correct. However, certain ground rules have to be established, such as no physical violence.

(Laughter)

JOHN: That’s a good rule! Yes, yes…..Now would there be….in other words…It’s going to be a leap of faith, I think, for people to get into the aspect and then to respond and then to start playing that way.

KRIS: Initially.

JOHN: Mark is shaking his head like “No, no, no,”….well here’s the question I’m asking….Okay, so we get there, we’re having the argument that we had in the monastery or the whatever. We get that feeling that comes up again. Now, how do we…where do we get the nurturing, loving stuff beneath that? How does it become a healing?

KRIS: THAT is the key! That is the foundation for such experiences and this is that you would still retain your own present conscious awareness of who you are and that would become then, the guiding force to direct this towards the healing of old wounds and scars of any nature. That would be the specific purpose and intent. That is also the purpose of a therapy.

JOHN: Okay, that sounds like a lot of fun.

KRIS: It can be. It can also be very hot under the collar!

MARK: Indeed!

KRIS: Especially when there may be some delicate, intimate issues discussed and when, say, a third or fourth or fifth individual decides they are connecting with this life as well. So then everyone has to also keep in mind the loving, healing intent of the interaction.

JOHN: Now this new type of therapy that you’re proposing I think sounds fabulous. Would it require on an ongoing basis require having Kris in the room…certainly that’s going to be helpful at the beginning….or could we get to the point where….you know, obviously it’s going to be rather limiting to have Kris in the room.

KRIS: Indeed. We will always be present to a certain degree, but we may only need to….perhaps summarize, perhaps bring things into clearer awareness, helping each of you understand deeper issues and so on.

JOHN: Hmm.

KRIS: You do not need us as the puppet master. It is not our role, nor is it anything that interests us. What interests us mostly is pushing your envelopes.

JOHN: Yeah, well consider it pushed.

(Laughter)

That sounds very interesting. Now, another question if I may…Is it fair to assume based on your bringing this forward, that these kind of inner-dimensional, reincarnational bleed throughs are significant issues for us in this life?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Okay.

MARSHA: I have a question. I’ve had many, many bleed throughs from a young age, but what I haven’t known when the bleed through occurred, was who I was in the bleed through, so how do you….in these interactions that you’re proposing…how do you…does this come through if you allow it or how do you know who you were?

KRIS: There are times when that is often the least of your concerns. But the interaction is what is important. We spoke, also, on a recent walk, that all communication is healing. This would be a prime example, that these kinds of exchanges of communications are themselves healing in nature.

DAVID: Kris, how do we know….what’s the simple measure that we are not fragile….not emotionally fragile? What’s the simple measure?

KRIS: If you are indeed prone to emotional unbalances, if it is difficult for an individual to deal with strong issues, for instance, they fall apart at the slightest hint of an aggressive tone in someone else that may be a point to consider. The object is, of course, to know yourselves well. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

KRIS: How fare thee?

MYRNA: I’m always in for this.

KRIS: Indeed. We want to simply to lay the foundation.

JOANNA: Might I ask a question about the foundation? If one time a fragile….whatever you choose to call it….ego….how do you deal with it in this type of scenario? How do you, without hurting the person or taking it to the next level, how do you deal with it?

KRIS: This may indeed be the perfect opportunity for the individual to take their own power and to resolve the issue. It does provide a psychological safety net in the sense that, say, normally an aggressive tone in someone’s voice would send you to tears, or question and doubt your own emotional well-being, then you could simply switch to that other aspect, a reincarnational aspect, who is able, through other lifetime experiences, is able to deal with such situations and bring closure.

JOANNA: Interesting. That’s good. That’s very good.

KRIS: It is therapeutic in nature. Does this make sense to you?

JOANNA: Yes.

KRIS: Now as we suggested, we are laying the foundation and perhaps next evening when it is the local group, all your lovely selves, such experiences can be delved into. It is not one to be done during the International sessions. Any other questions?

JOANNA: Supposing you find that you have been, for want of a better word, meek in a lot of your reincarnations and again, this is hypothetical, I never feel that way –

(Group laughter)

And you find it difficult to find one or pinpoint one time or one place and time where you were aggressive. What happens to you?

KRIS: Directing your intent to connect with a stronger aspect may be all that is required for the impulse to literally push against the tissue of your psychology.

JOANNA: And vice versa?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOANNA: In case you were aggressive for too many times, then you have to learn to be….Don’t look at me like that, Mark!

(Group cracks up)

Now that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

KRIS: The entire point is to bring about not only a sense of healing, but also an expanded awareness, enabling each of you to spread your own emotional and psychological wings to go beyond your own normal boundaries, as if you had a psychological coloring crayon and now you can color outside those damned lines!

MYRNA: That excites me a great deal, because the limitations of what I’ve known, I’m at the point now of wanting to expand beyond that, so I am delighted that you are recommending this.

KRIS: Indeed.

LORRAINE: So you’ve sort of like lived in a coloring book where you’ve been coloring within somebody else’s border and instead taking blank pictures and drawing your own picture.

KRIS: Indeed, you do not need to color a portion flesh colored, you can color them purple or green. You can color outside the lines…. any way you want. You can make oranges red if you wish, instead of orange. You can make bananas green, whatever you want.

LORRAINE: But you can also draw your own lines.

MYRNA: But you drew your own lines when you began, Lorraine.

LORRAINE: I may have drawn my own lines, but then I can draw new ones….and that’s what I’m trying to say, Myrna.

MYRNA: No, I don’t think so.

LORRAINE: Yes.

MYRNA: I hear you blaming someone else for the lines that you’ve drawn.

LORRAINE: No, no I’m not. That’s your stuff. But I…because I’m actually picturing coloring books and the freedom of drawing, taking myself away from the coloring book outlines that I may have felt I was drawing between and saying, “Hey, wait a minute! I’ve got some freedom here. I can draw a new picture.” Is that….?

KRIS: You can even not draw pictures.

LORRAINE: But I can make new lines, new pictures, new colors…it’s the freedom to….the freedom to make new choices.

KRIS: And such freedom, creating a greater flexibility within your own parameters, within the very boundaries of your official line of consciousness will change who you are and what you think about yourselves because you will no longer be able to think of yourselves as you have up to this point in time.

MARSHA: Can we try tonight? I’m ready! (Laughs)

KRIS: You all have had a very good beginning!

(Group laughter)

So the understanding is always the ground rules: nothing physical.

MARSHA: Kris, does it always have to be combative?

KRIS: Indeed not. There are times when it could be filled with a great deal of love and wisdom and that is always the objective, to work at discovering what is behind the mask.

DAVID: I missed the question John had, the adversarial part, when the transition…to repeat an argument from 600 years ago, how do you move from that argument of years ago to a transition of loving intent?

KRIS: Because that is the intent, say, of one particular event…that each there are issues that stem from other lifetimes, you will also utilize your present awareness to work at getting behind the scene.

DAVID: With loving intent.

KRIS: Indeed. Finding out why this issue is still hanging around. Why there are still small points of contention, some friction perhaps. And it need not always be about friction but it could be about friendship. It could also be an exchange between fellow travelers. Say, in an ancient land, walking, enjoying a pilgrimage, sharing ideals, views, perhaps even about religious and spiritual experiences that are completely outside of your regular frame.

MARSHA: A whole new playground.

KRIS: Indeed, and a vast one. It is indeed like discovering that you are no longer forced to play in the sandbox, but you can play amongst the stars and move them like you would make sandcastles because the stars are as numerous as the grains of sand.

LORRAINE: The sandbox is rather sanded.

KRIS: Indeed, taken to a whole new level. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:46.

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break and you may feel free to discuss this.

MARK: Can I give examples?

KRIS: Indeed.

(Break and Kris returns at 8:57 PM)

[MARK'S NOTES: During break John commented that Giovanni and the monastery in Tuscany are probably ACTUAL focuses of ours and are likely not just hypothetical.]
KRIS: Now we thank you for your astute observation. You make a fine Dr. Watson. The interesting thing is that Brother Giovanni also liked to sneak out some bottles of wine and slightly indulge, if slightly more than one’s usual ration of communion wine.

(Laughter)

There is often the assumption that in a monastery everyone gets along very nicely, even heavenly, but these are mainly fantasies. There is as much friction within a monastery as there is within a family. For as often as you hear one sibling cry, “Mommy! He’s looking at me!” So do you have one brother, or even in a convent, one nun, running to Mother Superior or the Abbess, saying, “She is looking at me!” These are all part of living experiences.

There are rivalries, chicaneries, arguments. The difference, in many ways, is that in those environments, there is another intent and that is to try and live a harmonious and even spiritual life, but because of the wonderful and creative complexities of being human, that intent may sometimes be neglected. And that is the position of those elders or superiors to remind the others, and especially the younger ones, that there is a greater order at play here and efforts need to be expressed to go beyond one’s egoic presumptions. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

This is not always successful but at least an effort is warranted. Any questions or observations?

LORRAINE: Are the people that we bring into our lives, then, the ones that we need to heal with?

KRIS: Very often, yes, but it is not limited to healing of old wounds and hurts, but sometimes enhancing the joy and the discovery of happiness at times.

MARK: Sometimes it’s about bringing a balance. If you had one lifetime where it was troublesome, you might have another where it was joyous.

LORRAINE: If the people in our lives are various aspects of ourselves, then are we actually healing….then we’re healing ourselves by dealing with the healing of the other person at the same time.

KRIS: Indeed, you are providing yourself a different venue to reach a goal. It is important to provide as much openness of mind in those areas and you can begin even…because you will have two weeks to play….you may begin with people in your lives, trying to tune in and pick up impressions of different kinds of relationships that you may have had with these people in other times and places. People that you know as family members, as friends and acquaintances, and what kind of roles you may have had with them.

And you can even embellish by widening your perceptions and exploring what kind of an environment, what place, perhaps even what country, what time frame were you involved with these other individuals, what roles did you play together. Were you mother, father, child, friend, lover, superior, underling, and so on and so forth. And what was your emotional connection with these individuals? How did you then feel about your relationship with them? Does this make sense?

LORRAINE: How did I feel about my relationship about them in the past, or in the present?

KRIS: You already know how you feel about them now. And you may discover that some of those feelings may also carry an influence from another time, especially if you had any kind of closeness or even intimacy with an individual. Perhaps you’ve encountered someone who you do not know, but you already sense a closeness. Perhaps in another time and place, you might have had a closeness with them.

Perhaps you knew them very well, perhaps you were related: husband, wife, friend, child, parent, and this would carry that influence into your present observations. This may indeed be far more fun than you ever thought, because it also opens the door to much of what you call psychic perceptions, impressions, feeling-tones, unofficial information being received by your conscious mind. Because according to the official line of consciousness, of course you know this is all hogwash! It is not to be considered except as a waste of time. Delusions! Do you follow?

(Yes)

Yet, you are prepared to flip that and engage the unofficial line of consciousness which says that you may indeed discover great things this way! Things about yourself and others that you may not have known before AND that it is valid. Now we are not only looking for great Cleopatras and Joans of Arc, but you may have all kinds of friendships and relationships and connections with others that you may not ever have dreamt of before.

LORRAINE: Oh, boy, the big word, “opportunity” just flashes in front of me.

KRIS: Indeed, and cosmic all you can eat, no fat. Look at your children, look at your parents, look at your relatives. What role and what capacity did you share with them in another time and place?

LORRAINE: All the people, and I’m saying all purposefully, that I know today and have known in this life previous to today, have I experienced –

KRIS: That is for you to discover in what capacity. You do not have interactions with people you do not know, period. You all travel through time and space together in different roles.

LORRAINE: So whoever I meet, say I meet someone I haven’t known in this life tomorrow, is someone I have known in another life?

KRIS: Very likely.

LORRAINE: There are no strangers.

KRIS: That is correct and the point of this little exercise is for you to open yourself to allow impressions about what the relationship may have been in another time and place.

LORRAINE: Because it’s playing itself out in this life.

KRIS: There will be influences and bleed throughs. Now, you do have to consider that it might not be in your best interests to up to a stranger and say, “Hey! In 1302 you stole my candy!” because you can be assured that this is from the guys in white coats!

(Group laughter)

Do you have a question?

JOHN: Is it reasonable to think that we might encounter people that we are going to have relationships with? Not just past, but future?

KRIS: These would still be individuals you have an interaction with.

JOHN: The other question was…I already have the answer, but I just want to go on record with….is that these bleed throughs, which is influencing this life of ours, this little game that we’re going to play, is going to create ripples – call them bleed throughs – that are going to influence all the other aspects of us, too.

KRIS: In their own fashion, yes. The entire Self can only benefit from such a therapeutic play.

JOHN: So we’re stirring a pretty big pot here.

KRIS: Indeed and the bigger the pot, the bigger the spoon, thus, the bigger the meal.

LORRAINE: And then we digest the bigger meal.

KRIS: Any other questions or inquiries?

DAVID: After the Lotus Mind workshop we sat and talked and the comment was to the effect of …… we’re having these interactions with these other people because we get what we focus upon, we attract it, we want to benefit, experience…..and then it went into the idea…you are walking down the street and you say a pleasant hello to somebody or you get a bazooka and blow them up and it made no difference, is what the comment was that night. Extreme violence or a pleasant hello…and the response was: “Well, they needed that.” Can you comment on that?

KRIS: How certain are you of that?

DAVID: I didn’t agree with that at all.

KRIS: Indeed, because if you walk up to a complete stranger and you very nicely say, “Hello,” you get a response. If you go up to a complete stranger, slap them in the face, punch them in the gut, you get another response. They are not the same.

DAVID: That’s obvious in the physical sense.

KRIS: Indeed. Another standpoint: it is a grave error to think that kissing a baby and killing a baby are equal.

DAVID: So how are they misinterpreting this information?

KRIS: It is a distortion that on another level nothing matters, because if it DOES matter. If nothing mattered, then you WOULD be slaughtering each other wholesale, everywhere, but your species does not do that. You do have wars, you do have disagreements, but you do try to also contain your experiences within a different frame of mind where you CAN work out your differences because it DOES matter in the long run.

DAVID: It does matter on the physical plane, that’s obvious, but from this side of the coin?

KRIS: It ALSO matters, otherwise you would not be mattering in the fishbowl. Your physical lives are also reflections of your spiritual, psychological lives. If it truly did not matter, then you would not have physical lives. We have said that your human lives in your physical body IS your spiritual journey. To say that it does not matter means that loving someone and hating them wholeheartedly is the same, and it is not. Do you follow?

DAVID: (Words too faint)

KRIS: And they are not. They are still dealing with energies and distortions; however, on a greater scheme of things, the human expression does matter, otherwise you would not engage human lives. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: To say, on the one hand that it does not matter at that level is in a way a poisonous approach to spirituality. It is a knee-jerk philosophy used in an attempt to protect oneself from life’s vicissitudes. It is an attempt to shield oneself from some of life’s more difficult struggles. It is not only about duplicity, nor about man-made judgmentalism. There is an innate nature to all human beings that says that beating up your spouse to a pulp on a weekly basis is not the preferred communication. Nor is claiming that “my spouse happened to run full speed into my fist,” also acceptable. Do you follow?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: (Speaking carefully and deliberately) So let it stand for the record that we do NOT approve of the idea that loving someone and killing them is the very same act. That is a poison that has slowly seeped into the culture. It is a bad weed and we personally, as who we are. Do not care that others may claim it is what it is. We do not consider this to be valid philosophy.

DAVID: Philosophy [that] “It is what it is”?

KRIS: That is a spiritual idiom that is a spiritual tenet. It is not part of that kind of philosophy. It is strictly a distortion from the conscious and rational point of view and has nothing to do with higher states of consciousness.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:20.

KRIS: Then we are suggesting that during the next two weeks, you have some fun with your friends, relatives and others that you know. Be aware of your impressions. Be aware of the information that comes to you and then bring this back next time we are all together. This is not something we will engage with the International group. It is, in other words, just for you.

ALL: Thank you.

KRIS: And with that, we leave you to your own reincarnational devices, be they naughty or nice, sugar and spice, they are indeed of your own making.

ALL: Thank you.

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