Kris Radio: The Orodin
May 31, 2007
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 31, 2007
MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator, and I’m here with…
JOHN: And I am John Hawkins and very happy to be here on a Thursday evening this time around.
MARK: And a beautiful one at that.
JOHN: Honestly, a little hot for my taste but there you go… and of course we are graced with the surging presence of…
SERGE: (Chuckling) Who? Me, Serge. And welcome to Kris radio and we want to thank you for letting us have this nice show on thatradio.com.
MARK: So next weekend is the Lotus Mind… no, not this weekend but next weekend is the Lotus Mind workshop.
SERGE: June 9 and 10
MARK: We’ve been talking about this a lot lately but this is really exciting and in fact, the next radio show next Thursday, we’re going to have guests. We’re gonna have a roomful of people here for you to talk to… listen to at least. (Chuckling)
JOHN: Who we gonna have, Paul and Jo?
MARK: No, their flights just missed us unfortunately but were gonna have Emmy from Spain and Esther from Spain, Ellen in Delaware and Cathy in Delaware
JOHN: Oh, wonderful!
MARK: And a nice gentleman from Toronto named Robert.
SERGE: Yeah, it’s… it’s still almost mind blowing for me that people are flying to Toronto from places like Madrid and Barcelona from Spain, Mexico, all over the U.S., Canada from Calgary to Nova Scotia, to share a weekend with us is most humbling and very warm, gives you that nice warm fuzzy.
JOHN: Oh it’s wonderful.
MARK: I’ve participated now in many of the Kris workshops, two really big ones, this is my third big one and I think this is the grand daddy of them all so far. I know they’re gonna get bigger each year.
JOHN: Well he’s never … just confirm this for me, Mark but I don’t… in my recollection Kris has never built up a workshop the way he’s built this one up.
MARK: True.
JOHN: In terms of anticipation.
MARK: True.
JOHN: And you know, for those of you who perhaps aren’t on newworldview as often as we are, there’s actually a little exercise you can read about in a transcript called ‘The Enneagram’ which can help you kind of get yourself oriented into the right space.
MARK: Yes, if you pull up krischronicles.com, that’s Kris with a K, and go over on the left-hand side to transcripts, and then click on 2007 you will have all for this year, you see one called ‘The Enneagram’ and that’s the one John’s talking about.
Also there’s quite a bit of tools if you notice when you pull up that transcripts menu, there’s a Tool Box and there’s a lot of practices and meditations and practical tools that you can use in your day-to-day life that Kris has brought about over the years in that other workshops and that’s handy too.
JOHN: And there may be some more coming up from that weekend coming up.
MARK: Oh, definitely, I expect some. Possibly another ‘meditations and practices’ CD to be released this year as a result, definitely even if the audio is properly recorded, we’re gonna market and make available the CD’s from the workshop.
JOHN: Yes, I think you should do, that’s…
SERGE: Yeah, we intend to not only audio record it but it… there’s a very good likelihood it’ll be video recorded as well.
JOHN: Ooh, Goody!
SERGE: So that’ll make some nice keepsake.
JOHN: I’ll have to get my hair done.
(Laughter)
SERGE: Have to get some hair first!
(Laughter)
SERGE: I’ll lend you some of mine, here.
JOHN: Well do we have any intimations or ideas about where we might be headed off to this evening?
MARK: No, in fact I made a point of asking Serge if there was any clues and… definitely not.
SERGE: Well that’s okay. I’m usually clueless anyways, so there you go.
MARK: The inbox was empty.
(Laughter)
JOHN: Oh that reminds me, next week’s session is at 7 like we had talked about?
MARK: Yes, next week’s radio show will be at 7 as usual.
JOHN: It will be at 7.
MARK: Yes, correct, one hour show.
JOHN: Okay, well so, what was the last radio show about?
SERGE: I don’t know. You were there more than I was.
(Laughter)
JOHN: I know but it just all becomes a blur.
MARK: Oh we’ve had so many sessions lately, between the walks and International and the Toronto sessions, it’s hard for me to keep track of them. Thank god for my trusty notebook here.
JOHN: Well actually I’m glad that I make my notes and put them up on the website because honestly sometimes I look back myself just to remind myself (chuckling)
MARK: I love those notes John, they are so enlightening. I love your perspective of these things and they’re very valuable, even for the people that attended or participated in, they’re very, very helpful notes. Those notes, for the listeners out there, are on newworldview.com in the Kris chronicles forum there.
JOHN: Well I know I have a unique perspective. In some ways that may be all I’ve got.
(Laughter)
JOHN: And I’m very happy to share it.
MARK: The last radio show was about the official line of consciousness.
JOHN: Oh there you go.
MARK: Versus of the unofficial line of consciousness.
JOHN: Oh, yes, that was a breakthrough for me.
MARK: Yeah, and Kris has expanded it a little bit since then as well.
SERGE: And I wanted to mention too that… I think it’s a… for me a very good learning tool when I review your summary, same when Paul would put up his and now you’re doing that, because it gives me a chance to actually get to know what Kris was talking about cause most of the time I have no clue.
JOHN: Well you’ve usually left the building at that point.
SERGE: Yeah, something like that, yes. I do like Elvis, I just leave the building.
(Chuckling)
JOHN: Well it’s a shame isn’t it, that in order to get Kris we have to lose Serge to some degree but I suppose there’s compensations.
MARK: Of course there is.
SERGE: Sounds fair.
JOHN: You could clone yourself, right? And have one of you open up and channel, and the other of you sit here.
SERGE: And watch myself channel.
JOHN: Yeah.
MARK: Ironically, he hates [listening to the audio files] … its very hard for him to even sit and listen to… because it comes out of his own mouth, flabbergasts him.
JOHN: Really?
SERGE: I’ve never, even after 30 years of this I’ve still never gotten completely comfortable with that whole idea.
JOHN: Well it may… you know how the ghosts are always saying that they’re always being very careful to honor our unique individuality and that may be a little bit hard for… in other words, there may be some feeling of a threat to your ego in a sense because you know…
SERGE: I do consider it… and I have to be careful… I don’t wanna say an invasion or an intrusion because it’s nothing like that at all. It’s just different. It’s just… I’m used to me, I know what I’m like, and this is more, and I just view it as something different. It’s a little… it feels a little bizarre but I also like what you mentioned about the quote unquote ‘ghosts’, our friendly little term for them, how they always respect where we’re at.
JOHN: They take great care, yeah.
SERGE: Because when I started doing the channeling so many years ago, my only point of reference was Edgar Cayce. I had read everything imaginable from him, by him, about him, and so on and so forth and when I started doing the channeling it was in his style, you were laying down, somebody counting you down into a deep state and taking it from there and it was only I think in 2002 or 2003 maybe, that Kris explained to you… do you remember that?
MARK: Explained what?
SERGE: That…
(Mark chuckles)
SERGE: You were somewhere else? … Explained that even back then, that was still him.
MARK: Oh yeah, definitely it was him.
SERGE: But that he had to use the references I had and then gradually work it so that I could move away from that.
MARK: What I find particularly interesting is how you kept coming across the Jane Roberts/Seth books and because of the photo on the cover, which was used intentionally back then for…
SERGE: Yeah, it was the old paperback cover of Seth speaks.
MARK: Which was intentionally taken to look spacey, sign of the times that she was a medium…
SERGE: Weird, freaky, bizarre.
MARK: And it was a bizarre thing but you kept looking at the book and judging it by its cover and refusing to get it and then one day you found yourself in a bookstore, in some type of trance, and grabbed it, walked over to the cash, and paid for it…
SERGE: Yup.
MARK: Without even realizing what you were doing and that was Kris pushing you to discover that kind of channeling which is what you do now.
SERGE: Yes I guess, well I had already been speaking for Kris before I picked up those books but in reading them it was very helpful to me to understand myself because of what Jane had gone through.
JOHN: And so beautifully documented by Rob.
SERGE: Yeah.
MARK: Robert Butts, yes.
SERGE: I… even to this day, I still come across the occasional person who finds that all of Rob’s notes, notations, even some of Jane’s notations are a complete waste of time, they should have just left it with Seth only, and I find it objectionable because I think that Rob’s, and even some of Jane’s notes actually situate it, put it in context within our lives and ground it.
MARK: And humanize it.
SERGE: It is.
JOHN: They make a story.
SERGE: Exactly.
JOHN: I’m still waiting for the movie to come out.
(Laughing)
SERGE: Well there’s some stuff in the works somewhere in the years
JOHN: Wouldn’t that be fabulous? I mean that would just be a mind-boggling movie.
SERGE: Who would get to play Jane?
JOHN: Jane, umm…
SERGE: I’d get… well… well my favorite actresses is Cate Blanchett so…
JOHN: Meryl Streep would be fabulous.
SERGE: Meryl Streep, you think so? Yeah?
JOHN: With a dye job?
MARK: Wasn’t Jane petite?
SERGE: Yeah, Jane was very small. Cate’s also… well she’s not that small.
MARK: Who would you get to play Robert?
SERGE: James Woods.
(Laughter)
MARK: He’s kind of… Robert’s a short guy isn’t he?
(Laughter)
SERGE: Yeah. Rob Butts is uh, I think he’s maybe 5 foot 6… 7 at the most.
JOHN: I’m thinking Tom Hanks for Rob.
SERGE: Tom Hanks?
MARK: Oh, I don’t know about that.
SERGE: Too big. I think too big.
MARK: No.
JOHN and SERGE: And who would we get to play Seth?
(Laughter)
MARK: Kris.
(More laughter)
JOHN: Oh gosh.
SERGE: Well they can dub the voice in for that.
(Phone rings)
MARK: Well the big guy seems to be keeping us waiting tonight. (Chuckling)
JOHN: Oh he’s got his own agenda. We have learned to trust that.
MARK: Oh yeah, definitely.
JOHN: Just to recap last… the thing… the breakthrough for me last time was the idea that I have internal representations of official reality and that I am constructing official reality myself. For some reason I… while intellectually I understood that I construct my whole reality, for some reason, in a sort of a way that was invisible to me, I had set aside the whole official reality thing as being somehow outside of myself, right? Something that I was opposing and it was very helpful to realize that I’m constructing that too, duh! But it’s also quite liberating too, because now when I walk down the street I realize that I’m taking a little stroll through myself.
MARK: I find the parts where you have to allow yourself to disallow was the part that sort of hit home for me and that’s meant a lot.
JOHN: Well if you think about it, if all you do is total allowance, then you’ve got nothing.
MARK: Yeah.
JOHN: And if all you do is oppose, you got nothing, but it’s that…
MARK: That tension in between.
JOHN: It’s that delicate balance of opposing and allowing that creates such a rich…
MARK: Dance.
JOHN: A rich environment.
MARK: The dance of Shiva, Shiva and…
JOHN: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
MARK: That lovely dance.
(Chuckling)
JOHN: Okay, So…
MARK: Now you were talking about the representations too, John and that… it was a continuation from the previous radio show called ‘1000 Representations’.
JOHN: Well that, yes. That’s very fascinating to me, the idea that the outside world that we construct isn’t just… just doesn’t come out of nowhere, it’s an outward reflection or confirmation of inner representations within consciousness.
MARK: A great many people think one of two different thought patterns, and that is the future is either engraved in stone or is a blank slate, and it’s neither. It’s that in-between.
JOHN: Yeah, I think everything’s in between, I think we’ve got our friend, has come to visit.
KRIS: Indeed, and we trust that you are comfortable.
MARK: Yes, thank you Kris.
KRIS: And thank you for your consideration.
JOHN: Thank you Kris.
KRIS: We would enjoy speaking about something slightly different though still in line with previously presented discussions, all within the keeping of year of meaningfulness.
This particular subject matter may sound somewhat different from other discussions but still within that realm. We would enjoy speaking about what we call the Orodin. O-R-O-D-I-N, and from our own vantage point, as we have explained a few years back already, we are not from your own system. Do you remember?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: We have labeled your particular area of consciousness in clusters. We have identified, what is from our point of view, many other clusters of consciousness. Do you recall what we named your yours?
MARK: Yes, the Taaj. T-A-A-J. [Summary of clans, clusters and families by Paul Helfrich on NWV]
KRIS: Indeed., and we mentioned that our own area of consciousness, we call Gaura cluster.
MARK: Yes I remember that.
KRIS: Now from our little corner of infinity, we have a name for your species. You like to call yourselves human being and it suits you quite nicely. We refer to your species as Orodin. And in terms of origins, your species as we have briefly discussed and as others have briefly discussed as well, your species is quite old, quite ancient.
We understand your need for classification especially within the context of your official line of consciousness, meaning the scientific system of classification, what you call the origin of species, where some of you are fully convinced that your ancestors may very well be chimpanzees and other sapiens, and that fits within of the framework you utilize to organize your representations and the manner in which you then use the various belief systems to give meaning to your experiences.
And this is a point we do wish to strongly bring across. The Orodin have had many, many ancient traditions, many of which have been lost in the annals of time through various global and local disasters of one kind or another. You have experienced near annihilation at certain times, but one thing is certain, that you are a most resilient expression of consciousness and throughout all of these complex labyrinths of histories, one thing that your species eventually understands until another cycle, is it that eventually, your beliefs are not what govern you but that instead it is you create the blueprints, you who utilize the various belief systems or structures within those blueprints in order to fulfill your own values, to fulfill your intent to experience the very nature of your being.
And we want to make this very clear, in order for you to consider that you yourselves as Orodin, are not subject to anyone else’s ideas, to anyone else’s point of view, that you have a resiliency, a vitality and such an exuberance about yourselves, that you make your own rules and then you quaintly forget about them. You even pretend that you do no such thing, but that you are victims of events and conditions, that others make you feel the things you feel, and sometimes abdicate your own sense of authentication.
This is meant to impart to you, the idea that you, as a species, that have been within this system for so very long in terms of time, but there are occasions when you forget. And there are occasions when you need a reminder, when you call out for a reminder. Therefore our humble selves, as well as others, respond to your need to remember whom you are. You create so many wonderful and colorful varieties and eccentricities with life and life energies, that it is well worth reminding you incrementally, whom and what you are, that you are not subject to the rules of others, even when you forget that notion and pretend that you are. Does this make sense to you?
MARK: Yes it does.
JOHN: Yes.
KRIS: Now we do wish it to be understood, we are not implicating that you are star children and other ideas associated with such a topic. And once you start remembering your own origins, the very nature of your being, what you call life will begin to take on a different expression. It will no longer be life as a result of any fears or paranoia’s that you may hold, singularly or collectively but it will be a life that reflects the remembering of your origins, the remembering of your power, and as a result of that, accountability will no longer be a struggle. You would for instance no longer need to have your Pabulum fed to you. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes. So am I correct in thinking that your definition of the Orodin encompasses a lot more than our definition of human beings.
KRIS: Indeed. Your modern day definition of yourselves within the context of your official line of consciousness is that of the present scientific model. You are a miraculous amalgam of proteins and molecules, minerals, somehow or other marvelously contained in a bag.
(Laughter)
KRIS: And once that composition ceases to bring about its symphony, you are no more. And because of the nature of official and unofficial lines of consciousness, and your dog-like tenacity to hold onto it, it is difficult for you to imagine or to even conceive of yourselves in any other way. Thus you play that role very well. Does that make sense?
MARK: Yes.
JOHN: Oh yeah.
MARK: Definitely award-winning material here.
KRIS: Indeed, an Emmy nomination for sure. That is why over the last few sessions we have spoken about the official and unofficial lines of consciousness because these represent in another way again, what you oppose and allow. And this field, this tension that is created between those two extremes, those vast areas of contrariness is not all of what you are. You are more than all of this. You are the author and the designers and the manufacturers of those fields of tensions as well as the official and unofficial line of consciousness. It depends then, in a manner of speaking, what kind of stocks you buy into: the stock market for the official line or the one for the unofficial.
JOHN: Or we could have a diversified portfolio with some one of each.
KRIS: Indeed, that is what we are moving into. But do understand that this is not the only game in town. Overall, you are so much more the than any of the barriers and the parameters by which you seek to define yourselves within the context of your official line of consciousness. If and when you come to that realization on your own, then your journey takes on a completely different experience and manifestation.
For example, were you to truly understand the simple concept that physical reality, instead of all of what you believe about it, is none of these things, but is physical reality, is the confirmation of your own beliefs and representations. Your experiences of life would become nearly dramatically altered but it is still difficult for you to separate yourselves from your representations which appear within physical reality. But we say this for your species, you are not only learning but remembering, and that the definitely deserves several kudos.
MARK: Interesting point because I believe a lot of people don’t trust in themselves enough, and I think I fall into this category, not entirely, but don’t trust their own memories enough, they’re not certain if they’re remembering or if they’re just intellectualizing or understanding. I think we need to give ourselves more credit.
KRIS: Indeed. Now there are definitely many people who intellectualize these kinds of subject matters and because they can repeat the words, they do believe that they now have a complete and absolute grasp of the matter. And in doing so, actually experience denial in the sense that they cannot see that their lives are not what they speak about. Their lives may still be filled with struggles of one kind or another but they have become blinded to it. And then there are other people who may discuss this subject matter somewhat but are far more interested in actually transforming their lives, and do so very nicely indeed. Overall however, regardless of the approach, even those who intellectualize it, at least are approaching this subject matter in a way they consider non-threatening to themselves because they would have a vested interest, secondary gains in keeping it at the intellectual rationalization level. Do you follow?
JOHN: Oh yeah.
KRIS: Again however, each individual member of your species, all 6.4 or 5 billion of them are to be commended for the efforts they put forth in each one’s attempt to transform reality from its representational state into its conformational state, physical reality. That requires a genius in many ways.
MARK: Yes, thank you.
JOHN: Yes, that’s very kind. On behalf of our six and a half billion brothers and sisters, we thank you.
MARK: Now would you give me your certificate that I could give to the Mensa club?
KRIS: All you need do is represent it.
(Chuckling)
KRIS: Now what is the time?
MARK: 7:35 (pm)
KRIS: Then perhaps a small Orodin break.
MARK: A musical interlude.
KRIS: Indeed. Afterwards perhaps there might be some who would call.
(Musical interlude)
MARK: And were back, here at Kris radio on thatradio.com. As Kris suggested just before the break, that he will probably open up the phone line…
MARK: When he… (Phone rings) Not yet! (Chuckling) When he does, the phone number to call is 416-204-9723. Please turn down the volume on your computer because there is a lag in the time there.
MARK: I thought that was a fascinating talk, the Orodin, that’s great.
JOHN: Yeah, that’s interesting, isn’t it.
MARK: Much more expansive definition of self as we understand it.
JOHN: What did he call? The Orodin.
MARK: Ordin, Ordine, Orodin?
JOHN: That’s right. It’s sort of like the origin in a way.
MARK: The Orodin. [Looking back at my notes].
JOHN: Orodin.
MARK: It’s very different from the other’s perspective, the other, when you think of self, not just the human.
KRIS: And that is in part the purpose of our small presentation. To encourage you to remember more of whom and what you are even though in terms of the official line of consciousness, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to your sensitivities concerning the linear progression of time, the scientific elocutions concerning the origins of your species and all of your lovely sapien relatives.
JOHN: Well honestly you know, the more I switch over, my concentration to…what seems to me to be a much more reasonable understanding of who and what we are… I mean when I hear the scientists talking about how you know, first of all you’ve got dust and carbon molecules and you know, by golly the lightning strikes the swamp and up comes you know, the swamp creature… suddenly, it’s alive! I hated to sound…
KRIS: And it too is a lovely myth of origin.
JOHN: It is!
MARK: What’s that the mother-in-law?
JOHN: But it seems kind of… it’s a bit of a stretch really, a bit of a stretch for me now to think of it that way. For instance, I mean we have lightning strikes every day, hundreds of thousands of them all over the planet. How come we don’t get more swamp creatures?
(Chuckling)
MARK: I love to think, to ponder the fact that we’ve been here for hundreds of millions of years, playing this game in different ways, shapes and forms as possible and I just find it so and powering when you think of having a huge history compared to this little bleak one, where you come from the mud puddle, but it’s the civilizations that we’ve built and taken down and rebuilt and taken down…
KRIS: Indeed because you are more than mud puddle babies.
JOHN: Well if you think about it, the mud puddles approach to human origins starts out with a dead end, in terms of going backwards, it’s a dead end and it ends up in the dead end, like when you’re dead, you’re dead.
MARK: And it’s finite, both of them.
KRIS: And in a few billion years as the mythology implies, everything will collide and turn to dust once again. These are representations in another field that try to express overlapping cycles of recreations as well as originalities because each time there it is a renewal of the cycle, as we have described it recently. When new orders of official and unofficial lines of consciousness are established for a segment of your journey through time and space, entirely new projects and configurations, new imaginings then are manifested within physical reality, they are confirmed by the manifestations itself, the concretization of those representations and the representations again, are multilayered. Thus you are always in a state of creation and transformation.
JOHN: Can I ask a question about representations, Kris?
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Could we say that representations are ideas that we maintain in regional area 2?
KRIS: They are within your immediate subconscious mind.
MARK: Just below the layer of the physical reality, correct?
KRIS: Indeed. And this is also multilayered. Representations can also, pardon the pun, represent your various belief structures and so many other things. It is your inner idea of the world. It is your world, that is where you exist.
JOHN: Well yeah, that’s right. That is our reality.
KRIS: Indeed. Your reality is not what is generally assumed to be consensus reality. That is a consensus confirmation of the individual and the mass representations. Now if you would care to ask for callers, if any are of such a mind.
MARK: The phone line is now open. The number to call is 416-204-9723. If you get through, please give us your name and tell us where you’re calling from, and then ask Kris or make your comments and… 416-204-9723. Give us a shout!
KRIS: In the meantime, please feel free to continue.
JOHN: Well this idea of representations has got me going here a little bit.
MARK: I find it interesting too, that our representations are always… to quote a friend: pre-rational, trans-rational and post-rational. We have all the different elements at any given time. Our experiment in expressions are constantly changing and flowing through but we always have representations at a stage where they’re ‘pre’-something, they’re changing, and then the ‘trans’ are the active, and then there’s the ‘post’. So to use a civilization, we have a generation, the young generation are coming into a new generation. Our generation is different than theirs, and then the seniors are in a very ‘post’, to what they’re used to, what their generation was.
KRIS: Indeed. This would indicate to you that there can even be a lattice work of representational systems. This may also include individual and collective worldviews. Anything within, that generates the onset of confirmations within the physical reality system. For instance, this larger monitor attached to the computer can be said to be then the confirmation of all the various representational systems entertained within the computer circuitry, the software, and everything related to its mechanisms. Do you follow?
JOHN: Yes, that’s a fun idea. And we wrote the software and built the computer and the monitor.
(Phone rings)
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: And the idea-complex.
JOHN: Well I think we may have a…
KRIS: Do we know this individual?
(Chuckling)
JOHN: I think you’re on, Ellen.
ELLEN: Hi John, Hi Mark, Hi Kris.
MARK: Hi.
ELLEN: My question is… it’s a pretty quick one, but I wondered if you could clarify the difference between the Orodin and the Uguur which is a term you gave about a year or so ago.
KRIS: Indeed, the Uguur as we have described, is the source of what you call All That Is. Now that is…
ELLEN: And the Orodin is something… for lack of a better word… a subspecies of the Uguur?
KRIS: You could say they are the great-great-grandchildren.
(Chuckling)
ELLEN: Okay.
KRIS: And they are, the Orodin is, at this point in time, in a stage in-between diapers and no diapers.
(Laughter)
KRIS: Running around, opening cupboard doors, taking out the pots and pans, building blocks, using crayons on the walls and all sorts of challenging and fascinating things.
MARK: The terrible twos.
KRIS: Do you follow?
MARK: Still there Ellen?
ELLEN: I’m still here.
KRIS: Does this make sense to you?
ELLEN: Yes, thank you very much, and I’ll hang up now for anyone else who…
KRIS: And do understand that next week, you are here.
ELLEN: Yeah, I understand that.
JOHN: Yeah, see you next week, Ellen.
ELLEN: All right. I’ll talk to you later, guys.
MARK: Thanks for calling.
ELLEN: Bye.
JOHN: That could be a little louder couldn’t it?
MARK: The number again: 416-204-9723. The line is open again!
(Pause)
MARK: Those terrible twos. (Chuckling)
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: Growing pains.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s fun to think that… I mean if we’re already as fun as we are, and we’re still at the terrible twos come between diapers and no diapers, imagine! Well you know… what the potentials are… oh my golly!
MARK: I can’t wait for the teenage years.
(Laughter)
JOHN: The mind boggle.
KRIS: Now it is your own civilization that has said that you are the children of God.
MARK: That’s true.
KRIS: What do children grow up to?
JOHN: Well they pass through that devil phase and then they become gods!
(Laughter)
MARK: Anybody else out there?
KRIS: What is the time?
MARK: We have about 10 minutes.
KRIS: Indeed, then please feel free to continue. Perhaps you have other questions or inquiries.
JOHN: Yes, there’s always another question for sure. As I’m thinking about the representations… just zero in on that a tiny bit for my own personal edification… representations then, are individual. In other words, I have my representations of the world which are then become confirmed by my outer experience of reality, but of course Mark has his representations.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: And we must at that representational level, be back and forth quite a bit because he and I share a lot of…
KRIS: Indeed, because your reality, which is non-physical but representational, exists within consciousness. And within consciousness, communication is not dependent upon any outward verbalizations or writings or otherwise. It is instantaneous and telepathic. Thus each of the 6.5 or so billion human beings on this planet effectively communicates at that layer all the time.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: And you think your satellite communication devices are marvels of modern technologies, without realizing that even through your physical organism, those communications occur all the time even without your knowledge of how it occurs. It does so through the chemical releases through the pores of your skin, through the synaptic impulses at the neurological level, through the manner in which neurons fire away, thousands upon thousands every second in the synapses of the brain. This is all communicated signals to all of the brains and bodies of all of the other human beings on your planet.
JOHN: That’s a heck of a system.
KRIS: This is the transformational power that we described, that gives rise to what you call electricity, that energy that transforms nature from the unseen into the seen. Do you recall?
JOHN: Oh yeah, for sure.
MARK: Oh yeah.
JOHN: Well just another comment about official reality which is… by the way thank you for that wonderful discourse on of official and unofficial lines of consciousness, that was very helpful for me personally, but as I’m pondering that, I realize that it’s a mistake to think that official reality is one thing…
KRIS: Correct.
JOHN: On this planet. For instance in the Brazilian jungle, there are tribes that have no contact with human beings, excuse me, pardon me kids, no contact with ‘us’.
KRIS: Indeed there are still what you call, or your anthropologists call stone age people in the modern age.
JOHN: And their official reality…
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Is dramatically different.
KRIS: Their official reality is simply what you have made of it. If you were to dig down any deeper, you could simply say that it is all unofficial. Every single bit of it is completely and totally unofficial.
JOHN: Oh!
KRIS: Much like your own belief systems. They are neutral and benign until you focus upon them, giving them attention, charging them, providing with fuel and momentum, which then generates confirmation within physical reality.
JOHN: Right.
MARK: Like a big ball of Play Doh, you just shape it and mold it and roll it back up.
JOHN: And in a way, I mean, that’s not really a negative thing.
KRIS: Indeed not!
JOHN: Cause that’s how you create a civilization.
MARK: Power.
KRIS: That’s how you learn because you do come here to learn certain things. And though some would object that you are not here to learn anything, it is important to understand the distinction. When you have experience, which generates feelings, you learn something.
JOHN: And it’s meaningful.
KRIS: Indeed, because you exist in a meaningful universe and you are meaningful Orodin.
JOHN: So there would be other ‘species’, let’s call them… thinking of the Orodin. There might be the… what, another species in perhaps… in our physical universe but perhaps in another star system who are comprised of a different family… is that fair to say?
KRIS: In a manner of speaking we understand the gist of your formulation, we can grok a few things.
JOHN: And so these other guys, bless their hearts, who are… have another name perhaps.
MARK: Vulcans or Romulans maybe.
(Laughter)
JOHN: And they would also be…
KRIS: And they are all ‘na-nu, na-nu’
(Laughter)
JOHN: What was that?
MARK: Mork and Mindy, ‘na-nu, na-nu’
(Laughter)
KRIS: All kidding aside, yes there are other species.
JOHN: And you, as Kris and or/Brahm, might very well being answering their calls.
KRIS: There are others who deal with their needs.
JOHN: Oh! Hmm that’s interesting.
MARK: And we’re not necessarily talking humanoid or anything that we would even consider a species of life on this planet.
KRIS: Some are not and never will be visible to your sensory apparatus.
MARK: And some are just so far beyond what our current imagination…
KRIS: Does that mean that they can never be seen? Indeed not. It simply means that your species is not equipped sensorially… is that a word?
MARK: It is now.
JOHN: Yeah, sure.
KRIS: To perceive them.
JOHN: Right. Actually I came across recently, a Seth quote that struck me very strongly. He said that we can only ever perceive our own constructions.
KRIS: Correct. You do go through other systems and other systems to go through yours and you never have, and never will have knowledge of it even though you may occupy 99% of the same frequency of space/time. That 1% differentiation is enough to allow that the two species shall never meet.
JOHN: Ships in the night.
MARK: It all happens in the same time and space, just in a different time and space.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: Well that’s our time for the night. Thank you once again Kris, for a very memorable, enjoyable talk. Any final words?
KRIS: Remember your origins as Orodin. And with that we thank you and perhaps that is a late caller?
MARK: Oh we’ll give him a second here, and see… nope.
KRIS: Indeed then, have a most pleasant evening.
JOHN: Thank you Kris.
MARK: Thank you Kris. Well once again, that concludes our show of Kris radio here on thatradio.com. We’d like to thank you all for tuning in to us, and look forward to meeting you again next Thursday night when we will have some guests on the air. So have a good night, folks and see you next week!
(Session ends)
What is the World Without Consciousness?
May 27, 2007
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Theresa Smart
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 27, 2007
KRIS: Now then we trust that you are comfortable.
MARK: Yes, thank you.
KRIS: You have some inquiries.
MARK: Yes, I’d like to start sending out emails telling people what to bring, what they may need, plus I would like to know what I need, what Joseph and I need to bring and set up and …
KRIS: The participants should be wearing comfortable clothing and bring with them a small pillow and perhaps a small sheet or cloth to lie upon when needed.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: For yourself to share with the participants, one single tapered smokeless, drip-less candle per participant.
MARK: Okay.
KRIS: As well as one of your larger beeswax candles. The beeswax candle can be lit for the duration. Other than that it will be kept as simple as possible. You might suggest Joseph’s method of avoiding jet lag for all those who are traveling from other time zones.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: And once they utilize and implement the suggestion twenty four hours before their departure and landing, to add that they will be clear in mind and thought for the two days.
MARK: Okay.
KRIS: Other than that, you basically have everything that you need.
MARK: Okay, thank you. Is there anything you’d like to talk about?
KRIS: Perhaps you can begin your new stream of material project with the following. What is the world without consciousness? Now your present official line of consciousness states that life began in such a fashion, such as the theory of the big bang.
MARK: Correct.
KRIS: Emphasis on “theory”, in quotation marks, followed several billions of years later with a soupy mix of proteins, bacteria, etcetera, in some swamp somewhere on the surface of your world, quickly giving rise to various life forms. And that is, again, another pretty theory.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: This is your modern world’s mythology. Much less exciting, inviting and evocative than the myths of some of your ancestors where, for instance, Athena, the Goddess of wisdom, sprang forth from her father Zeus’s forehead. These modern myths lack many of the refinements of older systems of thoughts or other older official lines of consciousness, and these have been relegated to the realm of the unofficial line of consciousness. And this should clarify certain issues. As we have suggested, anywhere between five to eight thousand years these cycles are exchanged. Many things that were the official line of consciousness at one point get relegated to the unofficial and vice versa. But every time this happens, certain elements from the previous line of consciousness also become interwoven into the new official line and so on and so forth.
Each new official, and therefore new unofficial, line of consciousness ends up creating a slightly different product and upon those temporary or temporal blueprints then entire cultures, civilizations, people, in plural, utilize the foundations to create wonderful challenges for themselves in one way or another. New languages are born, old languages recede. Out of these mixtures individuals take upon themselves the unique challenge of creating a completely different representation of the world.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And it becomes then the established consensus reality. But because each new, or so it seems, each new official line of consciousness is born out of what is now considered the unofficial line of consciousness, then the foundations are never one hundred percent clear cut. Take, for example, modern developments in architecture very frequently now incorporate the façade of an old, hundred year old building…
MARK: Right.
KRIS: …giving it the impression that it has always been there and is part of the new structure, and in so many ways it can be considered to be rather truthful. But a new design has evolved and in terms of official and unofficial lines of consciousness, a very similar process is applied. Each combined product eventually will give an offshoot, or if you wish a probable development, based upon the amalgamation of two or more principles, some considered official, some unofficial.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: And out of that, yet again, something different will take birth. The ideas will solidify; will eventually be projected into physical reality. And all of this stems from a deep, unconscious awareness of the very principles of consciousness where everything is in a state of action. Nothing is ever static or dormant or inactive, and that is the very nature of consciousness.
MARK: And that’s what you’re referring to as the second mind?
KRIS: We have not gone there yet.
MARK: Okay.
KRIS: Now as Joseph has come to realize on his own, there is truly no such thing as the conscious and subconscious or unconscious mind, but most individuals ….
[Brief pause]
KRIS: Most individuals are not necessarily aware of or even comfortable with that kind of perception and even though they may agree with their words, the concept itself truly eludes them even if they were to protest that they understand it. The intellectualization and the experience of it are two entirely different species. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes, labeling and stereotyping of something they don’t…, are trying to grasp, but don’t.
KRIS: And even though there is only one mind, one self, your species is not yet at that place where the experience can actually support the words or the intellectualizations.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: Thus you are still at a stage of compartmentalization. And lest someone misinterpret this and wish to convey the idea that they have a better spiritual understanding because they think they know what it means, we would prefer then that the individual stay within the boundaries of what they understand. Does that make sense?
MARK: I think so.
KRIS: If your experience still tells you that, as far as you are concerned, there is a conscious and unconscious mind, there is a physical self and inner self, etcetera, then our suggestion is to not try to wipe the slate clean, only to lead to confusion, because you wish to appear to have more spiritual understanding.
MARK: Of course, it’s about integration not elimination.
KRIS: It is exactly the same as waking up in the morning and feeling that you have slept in a pile of manure all night and try to convince yourself, “I am feeling fine, I am feeling great, I love myself”, while at the same time your unconscious screams at you and says, “You do not love yourself. You think you belong in a pile of manure.” Then you are fighting and opposing your experience.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: And you are setting up more conflict and contradictions. Triple A-ing that particular kind of experience would do you far more good than to try to deny the experience of that moment, because you have created that experience for very specific purposes. What are you telling yourself at this point in time that then you wish to deny simultaneously? Does that make sense?
MARK: Yes it does.
KRIS: Thus as you become, and when we say you we mean the human being, becomes better acquainted with their own physical, psychological and spiritual nature then great strides can be attained in other areas. But trying to attain great strides by means of denials serves very little purpose in that particular vein of thought. Your orthodox religions the world over have been functioning on that principle for thousands of years, the principle of denial – not the principle of incorporation or integration. And the more you deny the self for some supposed higher purpose, the more difficult it becomes. Do you have any questions or inquiries?
MARK: No I think that’s very clear. It’s a well known or well established historical fact and I see it constantly around me and even within me.
KRIS: Now on the one hand, the idea of following philosophy labeled as a religion by means of denials in hopes of attaining some kind of enlightenment was considered at one point in time a valid experiential model. Over the ages it has become very distorted and diluted; its original premises long forgotten. And when such elements are then established as the one true path then – we are looking for a word – careful analysis of the procedures and objectification or if you wish objective critiques, become the enemy, become suppressed, become in need of being fought with all that the system has to throw at it, because the process becomes so ingrained into the ego construction that the very idea of critiquing it is tantamount to a declaration of war.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: And the ego construction is not so easily convinced to let go of anything it has accepted as part of itself, perhaps very much in the same way that you would be somewhat reluctant to part with a limb for any reason whatsoever.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: Now, to get back to the official and unofficial lines of consciousness in that same way, your modern world has cultivated a fairly straightforward linear type of development and its mythology is exemplified in the theory of evolution as it is popularly understood and accepted. And any shred of supposed evidence is held up to the spotlight in the hopes of discouraging the individual from looking elsewhere, and in so many words, your present culture as or has uplifted the world and the philosophy of science as it is, to the status of religion, though science itself would not consider that it is a religion in any way shape or form, but it behaves in exactly the same way.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And thus the philosophy becomes irrelevant because the actions and the behaviors give away the intent. The original idea with this experimentation was to create some distance, to step away from, the notions of a vindictive kind of deity that would rain down retribution and punishment to anyone who would think differently from the adepts of the religion. The basic premise was well-intentioned – the study of nature, the cultivation of the intellect, the rational mind, and so on and so forth.
However, since the basic foundations themselves were so shaky, many of the old mental patterns and behaviors found within the frame of religion were more or less imported, without much due consideration. You have here a little crossroads in consciousness where segments of an old line of consciousness, a new line of consciousness, seem to merge and not exactly as intended on one hand, and on the other hand exactly as intended – to try and create an amalgam that would perhaps retain some of the better elements of the old and incorporate new elements as well. The experimentation itself seems to have caused more side effects than initially perceived but that is par for the course with any kind of experimentation of consciousness, especially when various elements of an old and new line of consciousness are grafted, perhaps even hastily. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes. Yes I do.
KRIS: Now there are many realizations, not all of them conscious per se, within your society that the experimentation is in need of more than revision, but some serious editing and the human being does its best to express within the parameters of physical reality that which is lived and expressed within his or her representations – the inner models.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: Any questions?
MARK: No, not at this time.
KRIS: What does this mean for your species? What kind of changes can be brought about? What is your world without consciousness?
MARK: Non existent.
KRIS: In so many words your world, your physical reality, is itself another kind of focus of consciousness that literally does its best to translate your inner representations. But because it is a world of props it gives the façade but not the complete experiment. In exactly the same way that you can go on an old Hollywood set, perhaps something like an old Western town. At first glance there are all kinds of buildings, pubs and saloons and sheriff’s office, general store, etcetera. But if you step even slightly out of the picture you can see it is little more than a set of props. It is only one dimensional, not even two dimensional, merely boards and a paint job and that which looks like a big building is little more than planks and nails.
Your physical reality in many ways is exactly that, but it is a scene with so much emotional and feelings involvement that you might be reluctant to consider it any other way. And this does not, in any way shape or means, indicate that your physical reality is an inferior product – is less than or not worth – but it does represent literally a Herculean effort in utilizing consciousness in a very unique fashion. And your experimentations are just that – unique. Your species, at least the human expression of your own consciousness, has created a formidable stage upon which inner dramas are physically displayed and whether you consider something your success or your failure through faulty belief systems, the end results are always most interesting.
You could say for instance, that you are fortunate that Thomas Edison did not succumb to a sense of failure the first time his light bulb did not work. You can also consider yourselves fortunate that whomever rediscovered cement did not succumb to a sense of failure the first time around but persisted until they perfected their methods, otherwise you would still be living in huts of some kind. Does any of this make sense to you?
MARK: Yes it does. So even though these people had successes they couldn’t have really had failures because in my reality there have been those products, services necessary for my experiment. So if they wouldn’t have done it somebody would have – I would have created something. Correct?
KRIS: What we are implying here is that even what you would consider a failure is not a failure – it is success at discovering this method does not work. So that is still a success.
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: The difficulty arises when you allow beliefs and a sense of failure to override your experimentation and your flow of energy. Even those individuals who, in social terms, appear to be failures and losers, the out-and-out, etcetera, etcetera; even such individuals are most successful at creating their realities. In some of their cases it may then be successful at creating what they oppose the most, but they are still creating it.
MARK: Yes, I understand that.
KRIS: So there are definitely ways to utilize the same principles and create what you welcome instead of what you oppose.
MARK: Right.
KRIS: Now where is your mind presently? It is somewhere else.
MARK: Correct. From my understanding, it’s everywhere and yet nowhere. It is not my physical brain by any means.
KRIS: That is not what we are asking. You are giving a pseudo-philosophical, metaphysical answer to get away from what you know we asked. Where is your concentration right now?
MARK: My concentration right now?
KRIS: In other words you are scattered.
MARK: Yeah, well. Partially because of some discomfort, but I’m also trying to grasp and fully comprehend. It’s turning into a very lovely day too. There are a lot of distractions.
KRIS: If you think that this is sufficient, then we will return Joseph to you.
MARK: Thank you.
(Session ends).
How Do You Know That You HAve Any Power?
May 27, 2007
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 27, 2007
Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Myrna, Barbara, Lisa, Tom, Anya, Paul, Ellen, Brian, Jen and Cathy
(7:50 PM)
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you, Kris.
KRIS: And in case some of you are wondering about your apparent inability to concentrate or focusing clearly over the last few days and the next few days as well, do not be concerned. This will clear up either shortly before or at the weekend in question. Your own inner Self is already organizing and re-structuring many of your perceptual constructs, both of yourselves and your reality, in order to accommodate the information and the experiences to be had during the weekend. So enjoy the reprieve!
(Group chuckling)
Because your energies will be taxed! We did mention this is not for the faint of heart, and it will include various kinds of neurological re-patterning. In many ways you are all responding to the weekend as it is and as it exists in a future that will come soon enough and will turn into your past. Do you follow?
(Yes)
At least you can still do that! (Pause) Now we would ask you here as representative of the hundreds of people listening on the telephone…or so it seems!
(Laughter)
And you cannot say we do not have a sense of humor! Thus we ask you: how do you know you have any power, vis-à-vis your reality creation? How do you know that you are not a victim of events, conditions or circumstances however the term applies to you? How do you know these things? And we should warn you this is trickier than it sounds.
MYRNA: It’s an interesting question for me right now because there have been a number of circumstances in the last month that have my head spinning in a very positive way. I have manifested, I have created, situations that I have dreamt about, journaled, visualized all the things that I was supposed to be doing – I thought – a decade ago, and really kept the faith for a long time until recently….and you and I have had this conversation before, where I started to lose faith…but in the last month and a half, whether it’s the work, the community of colleagues I have who are all into this metaphysical work…. it just astounds me!…or some financial independence I’ve been asking for.
And it’s happening! And what I can relate to is the asking for, the wanting, the allowing, the working with allowing and opposing…for quite awhile now I’ve been focusing on this. So I’m beginning to get it myself that I have the power that you have, the power that creates universes. I’m beginning to understand that and I see and I know that what’s in my exterior world as a way of judging that.
KRIS: Indeed. (To John) Would you be so kind as to also venture forth in an answer?
JOHN: Uh, yeah…sure…Well….
KRIS: That is good.
(Group cracks up)
JOHN: Well, when you asked the question Kris, I sort of thought to myself, well you know, I could just be kidding myself, I mean, in the last number of months, I feel that I have created changes in my life. I really feel I have. Now, just because for ten years something happened in such and such a way and then I did something and it changed into something else. Now, I could just be kidding myself, you know, and pulling the wool over my own eyes. However, the one thing that I’m thinking of as I say that is, if I’m kidding myself about having power, then I have the power to kid myself!
KRIS: And we might add, though you have eyebrows, we do not see any flocks of sheep, therefore….
(Laughter)
JOHN: Well, that’s good. I don’t think I have pulled the wool over my eyes in that sense….but at the same time, any way I slice it, I am the engine of my life, whether I’m kidding myself, then I have the power to kid myself. Or if I’m creating it, then I’m creating it. If I’m making changes, then I’m making changes. I guess the thing that really makes me feel that I have some power is to identify a particular issue or challenge that I have been opposing and ignoring and denying and turn towards that and to act, to direct my actions and intentions in that direction and to see that my life changes. That makes me feel like I’ve got power.
KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else who cares to chime in?
MARK: I would.
KRIS: We will not make fun of your eyebrows.
MARK: (Chuckling) Thank you. I would have to say that I’ve punched too many walls into my reality at this point in time. There are too many synchronicities, there are too many coincidences. And looking back over the last — over my lifetime, even — knowing and understanding what I now know and understand, that I’ve had a whole series of success stories, even in my failures…and I know I’m referring to a walk today that nobody else knows about….but understanding the mindset that I was in when I created what I created, I know I created that successfully, even if I consider that a failure of what I attempted or wanted to do. I created it perfectly in something that I was concentrating on at that time in my life. So there’s a whole series of successes that I can look back at and say, “Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah I did that.”
KRIS: Indeed. (To Barbara) And yourself?
BARBARA:: Well! Ah…for the last few weeks, as a matter of fact, I’m much more aware of things that I was thinking about in the past, and Montreal is in there right now, however, something that I’m actually realizing right now bring about other challenges which I wasn’t prepared for, but I feel I did create that but other challenges that are attached to those things that have…realized in my life now, but now I’m not so sure, in terms of power, how I deal with them. The goals that I wanted to get to, I did get, but there are other goals, other challenges now that I’m faced with and I feel powerless, as a matter of fact.
KRIS: So you are powerfully experiencing powerlessness.
BARBARA:: Exactly.
KRIS: Indeed. Now, what is the common denominator between all the four of you?
MARK: We’re judging historical data.
KRIS: That is not it.
MARK: (Chuckling)
JOHN: We’re looking outward at our outer life.
KRIS: That is not it.
MARK: Looking inward?
KRIS: You have each engaged actions. You did not sit on the couch, musing about what you could and could not do. You have actually engaged actions, activity. You had put into motion some actions that concern your frame of mind. Does this make sense?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: You are then utilizing physical reality as it is for what it is. The measuring stick, the confirmation that says what you entertain within the realm of your thoughts, etc. – your subconscious in so many words – and this is being confirmed by physical reality. It is being expressed three-dimensionally, defined by your physical senses. Does that make sense to you?
(Yes)
Now whether you create a challenge of struggle and strife, or one of ease and beauty, you are still utilizing the very same mechanisms, the very same engine as it were. The difference is what?
MARK: What you’re focusing upon. What you’re acting upon.
JOHN: Whether you are opposing or allowing it.
KRIS: Indeed. What kind of belief structures are you filtering your attention through so that it is projected outwardly into physical reality? You are utilizing the very same mechanism. You do not have another. This is the set of tools that you created for yourself as an expression of Essence. Its abilities, potentials and powers are far greater than you surmise.
It is said that you barely use ten percent of your mind. It is also said that in any communication, only approximately ten percent of the communication is verbal. Is it that you do not use the rest of your minds? Indeed not, you utilize them, they are behind the scenes. And the same with your creative powers and you can only know this on a first-hand account by direct action. This way enables you to gauge exactly what you are in the process of creating. You have a feedback mechanism. Some of the experiences may come back to you, indicating that you might wish to perform some editing at the foundational level. Do you follow?
(Yes)
But does it mean that you have failed? Indeed not. You are on the right track. You always are on the right track. The difficulties themselves show up when you recognize that you are in need of editing your content, the contents of your mind, the nature of your concentration, the beliefs that you are utilizing are not giving you the results that you want to see, but you will keep utilizing the same process, thinking that the more you do the thing that does not give you pleasure, it will eventually bring you pleasure, is that correct?
MARK: Is that like hitting your head with a hammer because it feels good when you stop?
KRIS: Therefore, the more you hit, the better it will feel later on, when you stop?
MARK: Yeah.
KRIS: Do you follow?
(Yes)
KRIS: (To Myrna) Do you also follow?
MYRNA: Um….I don’t know where I’ve been the last few months, but no, I’m not following. But that has nothing to do with you! (Laughs)
KRIS: Indeed!
MYRNA: I’m resting.
KRIS: We knew that.
MYRNA: Yes.
KRIS: Now back to our original question. How do you know that you are powerful beings?
MARK: You did give us the answer, didn’t you? (Chuckling) Through the actions.
KRIS: And?
MARK: The results of those actions.
KRIS: And?….(Pause)….Because you also know that if a particular project of yours is not bringing you your intended result, you need to go back to the drawing board. You do not need to keep hitting the brick wall but to step back and find another way around it. Create something different.
MARK: So it’s modifying and editing the actions to bring about a different result.
KRIS: Indeed. THAT is where your power is at its best, when you become aware that your own belief structures have now become a liability, an impediment, and that you can divert your attention away from and towards another kind of belief, sets of beliefs or belief structure entirely, such that your intended goal begins its road to manifestation. If – and do forgive the crude analogy – but if Dorothy clicks her heels three times and does not land in Kansas, is she supposed to keep clicking her heels until the shoes break, or is she to reconsider her approach?
MARK: I think she should go buy a bus ticket.
KRIS: Anything that will, in so many words, alter the primary beliefs in line with your project and begin modifying, recognizing, becoming aware of your intent in such a way that you no longer have to click your heels one hundred times to see what will happen, but that you can easily give up the shoes in so many words, because it is not Dorothy’s shoes that contain the power to take her home, but her intent, her concentration. Does this make some sense to you?
MYRNA: It does. I don’t think it’s that simple though. What keeps going through my mind is where does allowing and opposing come in? And where does the Triple ‘A’ come in here, and when I make a decision to take certain actions, there are all sorts of consequences. By the way, I get the challenge here. I get it and I know ultimately, that’s what’s going to happen. I’m going to realign with a different (unintelligible word) It just doesn’t feel as simple, however as “Okay, I was going in the direction of A and now I’m going to go in the direction of B…there’s a whole bunch of muck that happens between A and B.
KRIS: It could be said that the muck represents various aspects of your own belief structures.
MYRNA: For sure.
KRIS: Now when we speak of things, we may not specifically make mention of any of the tools, but they are not necessarily forgotten. They can be applied anywhere you have a challenge. Do you follow?
MYRNA: Oh, I do…Kris, the most chall…[Kris interrupts.]
KRIS: Because these tools can be a great assistance in recognizing where you have your own blockage, thus assisting you in re-aligning your intent and the means to produce the manifestation.
MYRNA: I get picayune sometimes about beliefs. There was a period of time that we worked here – John, Mark, Serge, I – would work very hard on understanding what those beliefs were, then I was introduced to EFT and for a period of time I thought, you know, it’s so difficult at times to get to the underlying belief, I’m just going to give it up and I’m going to EFT this thing and in that way, hopefully something arises and if it does, it does, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. The belief stuff, I think is profound and my head hurts often, trying to figure it all out.
KRIS: Very, very often a simple stepping back would do you a world of good. Stepping back from bumping your head into what you consider overwhelming or incomprehensible at that moment and in this way, giving yourself a reprieve, taking a deep breath, disengaging from the combat, can bring about very quick insights. But you do have a strong, even tenacious personality and biting into a difficult challenge is often believed to be what you are about. That is one of your own intents, but sometimes releasing the challenge – which in a way, EFT does very well – can bring about as quick a turn-around. Does that make sense to you?
MYRNA: Yes, it does.
KRIS: Now having a tenacious personality is NOT an impediment, depending how you use it. We will leave you to figure that lovely conundrum by yourself, at least for a few moments. Now that you all know there is within you the power to modify your reality, how do you go about using it?
(Silence)
There is the occasional evening when we will make it easier for ourselves and more of a struggle for your lovely selves.
MARK: So, as we’ve learned, action is key and action will lead to a result that either brings about the goal or it does not, and even when it does not, it is successful in showing us that that’s not the way, that there is another way, so it’s changing the action to come up with a new result so it’s keeping that open-mindedness and sightedness in seeing the different — and not giving up — and looking for the different alternatives.
KRIS: And it may involve an ever so slight ability to be able to detach yourselves from your own processes, which for many is far more difficult to accomplish. Now we are not saying that at the first sign of any kind of trouble, you immediately dump it and run for the hills. Use your common sense. There are times when the first approach does not produce all of the results that you want, but only some of the results. Does this mean that you have to scrap the entire project? Indeed not. Thus you can revise the beliefs, your intentions and know that this too will begin appearing in physical reality. There are times when this will be done quickly and there are other times when the time factor seems to cover greater periods as you have discovered.
MARK: (Chuckling) Myrna.
KRIS: Nearly nine to ten years. But we have already given some suggestions as to why for you this may have taken such an apparently long period of time. So you also very clearly identify for yourselves what kind of resources you have, how they will be utilized for whatever you create and how all of this eventually will be created to your perfect advantage.
MYRNA: Kris, I came to check out something around that.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: That time span for me often has allowed me the mindset of meaningfulness. In other words, there was something I wanted and it wasn’t happening then and in learning to apply the tools of allowing and opposing, of understanding that everything is meaningful, I think it was in that journey and that challenge of holding space and going through all of this that I got to understand the use of those tools perhaps….yes, I think so….and I think in understanding meaningfulness or allowing. I think it’s those tools that allowed me to feel more powerful.
KRIS: Now the tools are merely that: the tools. It is your lovely self that has recognized its values, its meaningfulness, therefore recognizing that you can now operate from a place of safety in such a manner that your project can now come about. You would not have necessarily been in the best position to make this project flourish so many years back.
MYRNA: Well, you used the word “safe,” and you used this last time we were together. I’ve taken that to mean I now feel a benign rather than a malevolent universe because I have the power. I’m understanding my place in the universe. Is that what “safe” means?
KRIS: What do you understand from “benign”?
MYRNA: I understand that there’s no agency outside of myself, that I’ve created it all, that there’s nothing out there doing it to me.
KRIS: In that sense it is acceptable….but do understand that the universe is, in its own way, living consciousness and your universe is….and we will use the word “prejudiced”…. in YOUR favor…(Pointing to John). YOUR universe is prejudiced in YOUR favor. (Pointing to everyone in the room) YOUR universes, ALL of your universes are prejudiced towards your well-being and your value fulfillment. When you are operating from a place that is unsafe, of fear, then it appears that YOUR universe is, somehow or other, bent on sticking it to you! That is the result of distorted belief structures.
In other words, there is an internal malaise at work which occasions a distortion in the field of action you call your universe. All of these tools and all of the resultant realizations create a feeling of whatever inner malaise that you may be experiencing, for whatever reason, so that you can return to your position and place of safety and power. The universe knows nothing about YOUR belief structures. The universe only knows one thing: that you draw pleasure in creating. Does this make sense to you?
(Yes)
MYRNA: I would have to hear that many times.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: I’m starting to get that….rather than an intellectual understanding….moving into a place of safety…I don’t think there’s anything that matters to me more….I know there isn’t anything that matters to me more than that….AND…beginning to understand when I use the expression: “a stream of well-being,” that I’m starting to get that deeply, that there is such a thing and I know how to act that way.
KRIS: Indeed. And this stream of well-being has a point of origin. You could say that it begins in the heart. It begins with the kind of well-being you give to yourself. Now what is the time?
MARK: 8:32.
KRIS: Then perhaps you can all enjoy a well-being break.
(Break and Kris returns at 8:42 PM)
KRIS: Now as you journey through your life, it can be most useful to create new adventures into the past, as you refer to that linear timeline. In other words, you might as well say that “tomorrow I will be visiting yesterday. And last week, I will be visiting next month,” as a means of re-structuring some of the deeply-ingrained patterns concerning time-space. Thus one of our offerings this evening is that you create a game to literally mess up your concepts of linear time-space. It can be as simple as creating sentences or phrases where you mix up the tenses of past-present-future, future-past-present, and so on and so forth.
And as you play the game, you will notice slight distortions in your time fields. The manner in which your brain has neurologically imprinted the sequences of time events may even appear to fluctuate. You do not need to worry, you will not suddenly go insane. It is simply another way to play around with the official line of consciousness because the official line of consciousness says “Something happened last week, something is happening today and something will happen tomorrow and there is nothing you can do about any of it, regardless of the wishful thinking involved!” Correct?
(Yes)
However, that is not the case. The reality is far more pliable and malleable than the official line of consciousness seems to indicate, because you can have a great yesterday! Just as you can have a shitty tomorrow. You can determine what kind of yesterday you will have! Does this make some kind of bizarre sense?
(Yes)
Now, our suggestion is for you to pick a day, perhaps a few weeks ago, that you remember as somewhat less than palatable. It does not have to be one where the apocalypse happened, but simply one day a few weeks ago, in your terms, that was less palatable to you. And when you have the day in question in your mind, pretend or imagine, however you wish…pretend that you woke up that day with an extra awareness, extra energy and bounce so that when the event in question made its appearance, you were so well-grounded, so centered in yourself that the event in question hardly fazed you.
Even though you are able to retain all of the deep introspection in the aftermath, you held your head above waters and still gained the insights at the outcome. And pretend you can see in your mind’s eye, in your imagination that the entire string of events as it unrolled before you had a fraction of the impact that you believe it originally held. From this perspective its impact was minimal.
And follow the course of that day with your new perception, everything that followed even into the day after, right up to this very point in time, the moment, the present moment. Examine your feelings, your state of being, the outcome of your experience…..take awareness of how you feel now….and then release the pretending or the imagining, focusing once again in this room or whatever room you find yourself in….. How do you feel?
MARK: Powerful. Comforting.
KRIS: What did you notice?
MARK: My perception changed. Emotional tone, the emotional value that I had set on the event has changed and therefore its impact on me has changed.
KRIS: Indeed. Anyone else care to share?
MYRNA: I think it was last session you took us on a small adventure in practice about where to find safety and we took it into ourselves and I was able to access that place and apply it to the situation.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: So I feel…..I feel lighter.
KRIS: Indeed. Now this does not mean that you go and wipe out the past, but you can certainly alter your perceptions and the way you feel about things, to regain a strong footing and sense of safety. Does that make sense?
MARK: Oh, yes.
KRIS: Now what about this little game we suggested? Who would like to offer a small example of a break in syntax?
MYRNA: I had a great date next month.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: I’m so glad that you are going to be giving us that game sometime soon.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARK: I’ll have it on your desk yesterday.
(Chuckling)
JOHN: I’m not sure I’m going to be ready for what happened yesterday.
MARK: I’ve got work that needs to be by done tomorrow, but I’ll get it done yesterday. Lots of time in the world…if that doesn’t work I’ll go to last week. (Laughing)
JOHN: You’ve got all the time in the world!
MARK: Even if I have to go back to the Big Bang!
KRIS: You could even say something like “Next week you had such a wonderful time that you look forward to last week.”
(Laughter)
JOHN: Yeah, that’s a fun game.
KRIS: Every time you make a little play of this, look at, examine, notice any changes in your perception. Take stock of how your own neurological processes actually respond, perhaps initially with a little bit of wonderment, perhaps even puzzlement, until you begin to notice that it has a deeper impact upon you, especially when you prepare to fall asleep, and here is where the beauty of this little game can have a tremendous impact.
And in this state before you fall asleep, simply suggest to yourselves that growth, the embellishments, the fulfillment that you will continue to find in the future also are discovered within the past and that you ask your dreams to show you how that can be so. And then tell us about the scrambled brains.
Normally your own neurological processes and syntax are held very rigidly to the official line of consciousness, but YOU are more than that! This is another small way of discovering who you are above and beyond the regular sequentialization of time and space which are little more than a by-product of your own neurological and psychological processes, this time and space thing….or is that a “thingy” in your language? Does this make sense?
MARK: Oh yes.
KRIS: Perhaps you can open the telephone line.
MARK: The line is open!
KRIS: Are there any inquiries on this subject?
MARK: Delaware? California? Anybody?
KRIS: Then it is our understanding that you have all understood this very well and are looking forward to great games, adventures and discoveries as to who you are in time and space, and with that we leave you to the pleasures of discovery and return Joseph to you.
(Session ends at 9:02 PM)
Kris Radio: Official / Unofficial Lines of Consciousness
May 24, 2007
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 24, 2007
MARK: Good evening and welcome to another evening of Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I am your co-host, and I am here with the birthday boy! Happy birthday, Johnny!
JOHN: Thank you very much Mark, I appreciate that.
SERGE: Yes John is 29 or 39?
JOHN: I’m…
SERGE: Mind my manners. (Chuckling)
JOHN: I’m 57 years old but you know, I figure that’s middle age if I live to be 114.
MARK and SERGE: True, true.
MARK: Somebody else has a birthday coming up, the other co-host here.
SERGE: Mark?
MARK: No, not me. That would be you!
SERGE: Oh me! Oh I forgot about my birthday.
MARK: Serge’s birthday is coming up on Tuesday. It’s also Queen Victoria’s birthday, happy birthday Vicki!
SERGE: Not on my birthday.
(Laughter)
MARK: So over dinner, John in I started up a conversation and we realize that Kris often uses the term official reality and unofficial…
SERGE: It’s ‘official line of consciousness, unofficial line of consciousness.’
MARK: …Line of consciousness and unofficial line of consciousness and it dawned on me that people who follow the transcripts oft will have an inkling our understanding of this but not everybody in radio land does, so we thought we should clarify this and in our discussions we realized that there are lots of interpretations of this. For me, the official line of consciousness is that which we can see, feel, touch, taste, the stream of information that’s on our televisions and in our newspapers and books, that’s the official reality.
And the unofficial are those bits of information that come to us through intuition, through feelings, emotions, dreams, daydreams, imaginations, that type of thing.
JOHN: Yes, we’ve just had dinner at the food court at the Eden Center and as I looked around the food court… the Eden Center for those of you who don’t know Toronto… is a huge industrial shopping mall, not industrial excuse me, it’s a huge shopping mall, commercial and it’s just a gigantic building with thousands of people in it and many, many stores and all of the usual suspects in the way of stores meaning… you know, The Gap and you know, all the big names.
So I looked around at all that and said ‘well this is official reality’ and unofficial reality is the reality that we find ourselves in when we wake up at 3:00 in the morning in our dark bedrooms and extend our minds out into the ethers and imagine what might be going on, so what came from that was my idea that official reality might be what you think of as a consensus reality that we all agree to in our waking conscious objective point of view, and unofficial reality could be thought of as the individual unique private reality that we each experience when we’re alone.
MARK: Something else that we talked about, touched upon is that we as a civilization and the society don’t put all lot of stock into our dreams but that’s not true for all individuals. So where’s that dividing line between official and unofficial, for maybe as a group it’s more so unofficial but for some individuals who do pay attention to their dreams and study their dreams and work with their dreams, it’s a lot more official.
JOHN: Well that suggests that the boundary, let’s call it a boundary, between official reality and unofficial line of consciousness could be thought of as in a sense a kind of a moving, variable thing because from what I’ve been reading about other civilizations, for instance the dream state, intuition, impressions, even bleed-throughs… some from other focal awarenesses we’re accepted as an official part of reality in other civilizations and yet they would still have, I would think, an unofficial line as well that supported that. Now I do think we have uh… likely were going to get a visit here from…
KRIS: The official observer.
(Laughter)
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.
MARK: Thank you Kris.
KRIS: When you explore the concept of an official line of consciousness in tandem with an unofficial line of consciousness, you need to take into account consensus reality which works then on both issues simultaneously. You have a consensus on what is to be considered the official reality as well as a consensus on what is to be the unofficial reality. So there is always an official and unofficial consensus reality, you cannot have it otherwise. Does this make sense to you?
JOHN: Yes.
MARK: Yes very much so.
KRIS: Indeed. As well, for the purpose of the discussion, the official line of consciousness is subject to periodic editing, change, in what you call your ancient cultures and civilizations as you’ve briefly alluded to. There were indeed many groups who considered dreams for instance, as valid communications from the divines. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: In most of the modern world, such a view is rather frowned upon as old wives’ tales though we have yet to meet an old wife who would tell such tales and most likely refuted to the file on superstitions held by what you could consider then unsophisticated gullible, primitive society because they did not have the combustion engine, the washing machine and the internet. Does this also make sense?
MARK: Yes it does.
KRIS: In many of these old cultures, and one does not have to go back millions of years into the past, look at your ancient Greek culture, Egyptians and many from 2 to 4000 years ago and some, not that far back in time, where dreams and omens, signs were considered, and some places still are considered of some significance in the life of the individual as a communication from some divine being or another. That represents what we have long ago called gaps within the official line of consciousness where in some cases, the official line of consciousness is indeed as filled with holes as a piece of swiss cheese.
The beautiful arrangements and capabilities of the ego construction make it so that for the most part, these gaps or holes in the official line of consciousness are quickly skimmed over or even simply rendered invisible so as not to upset the status quo because when you upset the status quo, and you start bringing the unofficial line of consciousness to the discussion table, what are you indicating? That the apparent rock-solid foundation of reality based upon the studies of the intellect, of the rational mind may not be built upon the rock of scientific reason and that may upset the stalwart guardians of that official line of consciousness. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: Absolutely.
MARK: Very clear.
KRIS: The official line of consciousness as we have suggested moments ago, is subject to various editings and changes. Again going back to some older civilizations, they are official line of consciousness is very different from yours in the sense that their official line of consciousness included more elements from the unofficial line of consciousness from your perspective.
And these are in themselves cyclical. This present official line of consciousness will be changed. Elements from the unofficial will take root and are presently taking root within it and it will then again expand into more of what you presently consider the unofficial till at some point, then the unofficial will become a large part of the official and it will too become official and it too again will go through its own cycles, it will expand and then converge again.
Every five to eight, perhaps even a bit more thousands of years there are massive transformations at those layers of consciousness therefore the societies, the civilizations, the cultures, the individuals, also reflect those cycles and this brings in entirely new sets of paradigms, entirely new sets of… we are searching for a word… literally new configurations of awareness and this in itself allows continuous influxes of expressions of Essence that are ready for their kinds of challenges, depending upon the paradigms associated with the various official or unofficial lines of consciousness and what kind of challenges these can provide for the individuals themselves. Do you follow?
JOHN: Yeah, that’s interesting.
MARK: Yes.
JOHN: So just to think that through, that suggests that we’re at the cusp so to speak of one of these massive shifts.
KRIS: Indeed. Now we have heard it said that some individuals believe that as this particular progression evolves, all sorts of wondrous miraculous things may begin to occur, like pigs flying and the moon suddenly actually being recognized as made of cheese.
JOHN: That’s why the pigs are flying.
KRIS: So the question is, is it camembert or gouda?
(Chuckling)
KRIS: There are many, many kinds of assumptions thrown into the mix. There are even individuals and whole groups and societies who believe that any day now, any time, individuals in their physical forms will begin to ascend… whatever that means. That corporeally, they themselves will be able to defy laws of physics, somehow or other the root assumptions of your reality and physically move on to other dimensions. The concept is most interesting, though the practicality is an entirely different ball of wax, and take it from us, we have seen many balls of wax over our cycles of all hues and shapes.
The point being, that most of these assumptions are based on the principle that your human life is somehow or other an impediment to your spiritual unfolding. And that somehow or other you must as quickly as possible purify yourself and divest yourself of the gross matter that is your physical form, that you must become more spiritual. Unfortunately you cannot become more spiritual than you are now because you are composed of consciousness, you are awareness. Your focus or attention is on a particular journey but you already are not your physical form. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes. (John confirms)
KRIS: Such thinking in itself does represent unique and interesting potentials already formulated if you wish, behind the scenes, immediately behind and literally hiding behind the very hedges of the official line of consciousness but it is often distorted and misinterpreted and gets lost in the translation. However if you do understand the premise of what are the official and unofficial lines of consciousness, you can recognize an enormous amount of information and the knowledge… (Kris pauses while sirens are blaring in the background) …we believe that this (sirens) is a representative of the official line of consciousness.
(Laughter)
JOHN: Oh at least.
KRIS: Now when you can understand the premises of consciousness and what you do with it, what you utilize it for and how you separate it into official and unofficial, you can do yourselves and immense service. The official line of consciousness as you have pointed out, is one of two consensus. Do you remember?
JOHN: Yes.
KRIS: One that says ‘for this experiment, these are the rules’. For instance, your present scientific, medical academies for the most part, as well as large political influx together more or less set the rules for this experiment in the official line of consciousness for your culture. Do you follow so far?
ALL: Yes.
KRIS: This can only subsist because your species also simultaneously recognizes the unofficial line of consciousness intuitively, telepathically, however you wish to define it, it is still acknowledged and therefore kept out of the picture to some extent and it then becomes the unofficial line of consciousness. And everything that does not fit the criteria for the official line of consciousness based upon certain premises, which in many respects are little more than the result of a consensus or agreement that this is how the experiment will function this time around, as opposed to what is contained within the agreements of the unofficial line of consciousness. Do you still follow?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And that which does not meet the criteria for the official is then considered unofficial and that can be anything from your dreams, your feelings, your intuitions, telepathy and a host of other venues for consciousness. And because of the manner in which you function within the scope of this dualism between official and unofficial, you necessarily have to narrow the windows of your perceptions. Not so long ago we spoke about your representations of reality as actually being the kind of reality you have your existence in.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: This can be considered then a subcategory of your official line of consciousness made to fit within the larger paradigms of the official-official line of consciousness. Do you follow?
(Chuckling)
ALL: Yes.
KRIS: One is nested within the other because the larger in so many ways does not necessarily permit any other perspectives and perceptions or so it thinks. Remember the Swiss cheese.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: There are then constant bleed-throughs from what you call your intuitions, telepathy, empathy and so many other labels that manage to sneak their way into even your personal official line or view of consciousness. But again within the parameters of your own belief systems, you will interpret the unofficial, sometimes in such a manner that it is so distorted it is not recognizable. That is not necessarily any fault of your own. That is the challenge you have set for yourself to push the boundaries towards the unofficial lines of consciousness so that you may perceive existence in such a manner that it is larger than yourself, heroic in dimension in such a manner that you indeed touch what you call is the divine, that which is larger than your own perceptions of reality. So it is always one nested within the other, because you are maybe focused on the official line of consciousness, you do not necessarily pay attention to all of the bleed-throughs and other experiences that are constantly sneaking by as it were. Does this make sense to you?
JOHN: I think so.
MARK: Oh yeah.
KRIS: If you have questions, please feel free.
JOHN: Well this has been a useful discussion for me so far because it’s helped me to understand that I have my own personal official line of reality which is nested within the consensus, official line of reality. That had escaped me, I hadn’t considered that. But on another slightly different perspective on this, this strikes me… the tension or the field of play that we create between the official and the unofficial reminds me quite strongly of the opposing/allowing peace.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: So official…
KRIS: Even at those layers, the play is still afoot.
JOHN: Right. Now I’m not sure, you got into a discussion there of how we… the fact that we’re always reaching beyond gives us an opportunity to experience the divine, which was just a little nutty for me in my mind.
KRIS: You could also substitute the word divine for your own greater your purposes, your own greater actions, your own greater Self.
JOHN: So is it fair to say that no matter how wide my… let’s call it my own personal official reality might be, that there will always be a plus element there that is outside of that, that is sneaking in through the holes in the cheese.
KRIS: There is always a series of such actions occurring to bring to your awareness that you are more than the sum of all of your parts and as soon as you think you have all the prettiest parts neatly assembled under your wing, like the hen with her chicks, you find one sneaky little bugger got away.
JOHN: Or there’s a goose in… a gosling in there, an ugly duckling that’s gonna grow up into something interesting. (Chuckling)
KRIS: Indeed. There is always a kind of challenge that eggs you on and on whenever you think you now have it down pat, that you know the answers, that you know how it works, that everything now is understood, you have just deeply misunderstood your whole self. The self is not about being understood but it is about being lived. You only understand self when you are afraid of living. True knowledge, and we have spoken about this before, true knowledge, true wisdom, true reason does not come merely from understanding the words, no matter how prettily and philosophically they are strung together, no matter how beautiful the prose. It comes when you allow yourself to proverbially get dirty with consciousness and with life.
When you dive in, then an awakening takes place beyond the neurological faculties for words and related syntactical conceptualizations that instead becomes pure living experience. That is when you get into the second mind. It is beyond the stages of mental speculation, it is beyond intellectual conceptualization, it is beyond thinking about it, it is the realm of action and that is what consciousness, awareness, awakening and higher intellect is about.
When a mother, about to deliver, begins to philosophize about her situation, decides to read books about labor, discuss it in chat rooms and forums or with other individuals but actually refuses to engage in the act of labor, what do you think happens? Nothing, except a great deal of mind-boggling pain.
JOHN: Plus eventually something’s gonna give.
KRIS: Indeed, without fault. The point in this rather crude analogy is that when the moment comes, allow the process to lead you into the awakening, into the experience. Do not deny it, do not oppose it. You do not even have to embrace it, but LIVE it, EXPERIENCE it. The sage who is a truly enlightened, does not talk about how enlightened he is but instead, in the simplest way possible, shows another how they can, in their own way, also achieve their own form of awakening and enlightenment. Is that not true?
JOHN: Yes.
KRIS: The one who boasts that he or she has the most enlightenment in this sense has none at all. It would indeed be considered completely fraudulent. Do you have other inquiries? What is the time perhaps?
MARK: Twenty to eight.
KRIS: Perhaps if there are some listeners who wish to call, what is the number they need to dial?
MARK: The number to call is 416-204-9723. If you do call, please give us your name and where you’re calling from and please turn the volume down on your computer cause there is a lag.
KRIS: In the meantime do you have other inquiries or questions?
MARK: Just to comment a little there… that just… it’s impossible to define something or to understand something that is constantly changing. We are not static at any way shape or form and…
KRIS: And yet intuitively you have at least a certain sense of understanding yourself and you are constantly changing, are you not?
MARK: Correct, but I still don’t fully understand myself.
KRIS: Indeed because you are perceiving the understanding merely from the point of view of the ego construction and it senses that larger energy from which it is birthed continuously, but it tries to use its limited resources to understand that which is unlimited. It can only utilize the perceptions derived through the physical sensory mechanisms to try and get an understanding at that level of itself. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes I do.
KRIS: However you have, as all of you do, you have another capacity, you have an inner self. You could consider it an outie and innie in some fashion.
(Laughter)
KRIS: This inner self, which is indeed in so few words, a layer of consciousness immediately below conscious perceptions. This inner self has sufficient awareness of all of itself but because Self is ever-expanding, it continuously marvels at its ability to always be more than what it was or thought it was the moment before. Does that make some bizarre sense to you?
MARK: Yes it does. All That Is does not understand All That Is and takes joy in expressing itself through us in all its forms in order to comprehend and express itself.
KRIS: And if All That Is is still scratching its metaphysical head, wondering at the wonders of itself, then perhaps you can give yourselves a break.
JOHN: Oh yes.
KRIS: In the sense that you do not need to understand the fullness of your being but at least the fullness of your experience of being, that is very different. Do you not agree?
MARK: Very lovely quote.
KRIS: Understand the fullness and live the fullness of your being and you will find that indeed value fulfillment fulfills itself. That is another lovely quote.
(Mark confirms)
KRIS: Are there inquiries perhaps?
MARK: No, not at the moment.
KRIS: Do you wish a brief break?
MARK: Yes, a quick one.
KRIS: Indeed.
(Musical interlude)
MARK: And were back! And for those of you out in radio land, the phone number to call is 416-204-9723, we have about 10 or 15 minutes left in the show, if you’ve got a question for Kris on the topic, give us a shout, 416-204-9723.
JOHN: And just to cement in my mind what Kris said before the break, you may not understand the fullness of being but you can live in the fullness of your being. I like that!
MARK: Very profound.
KRIS: Indeed, and the only reason is that again, you are more than the sum of all of your parts, more than the sum total of all of your incarnations or focuses of Essence or expressions of Essence, aspects and so on and so forth, and yet there is only so much of your lovely selves that enjoys the opportunity to interact with the creations of material energy as such.
Your ego construction is again, not the impediment to, but an actual helpmate. Its function is not only to direct your attention to your creations within material energy, but to also enables a recognition of the greater sources of your wisdom and reason if you but allow it.
When you do allow this particular aspect of the ego construction to function naturally without impediment or hindrances, then your growth as individuals, the growth of your potential, the displays of your potentialities that are greatly magnified. When you resist it, when you insist that consciously and subconsciously you conform to the official line of consciousness, you effectively narrow the scope of your capacities to function as the creators of your realities. You must then create within a narrower confine but if you did allow, if you did permit this, then the spectrum of perceptions from within which you operate constantly widens and as persons, you excel because you have permitted it. And you do not need those such as ourselves, to give you permission to experience more of whom and what you are, you can do that on your own, like very good boys and girls. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: And do you have inquiries?
JOHN: Well just a comment from me. I’m thinking… actually it’s the old rational mind. I think this is my first mind working here, not my second mind, although… anyway it seems to me that allowing our life to be, allowing are being is a corollary or a necessary… the idea that we are more than the sum of our parts suggests to me that that’s why we have to allow our being without understanding it because if we’re always more than we understand, then by allowing more than we understand to happen, in terms of actual being, then we’re allowing more of our self to be.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Gosh, it’s hard to say that.
KRIS: And the more you allow, then you actually experience something a tad beyond simply knowing. You have experience. So it is no longer an intellectualization of wondering what it is like but it is factual from your point of view.
JOHN: Well that raises an interesting paradox for me because on the one hand were talking about us having the ability to do this or not to do this, but ultimately, we can’t not be and whether we understand it or not is not the issue.
MARK: And you cannot do.
KRIS: It is a choice and some actually do exercise that prerogative and that is how they too experience the fullness of their being or not being whether Shakespeare is involved or not.
MARK: To do or not to do?
JOHN: Yes, so another way to think about it… I’m just rattling this stuff around my head… but keeping in mind that fascinating and provocative idea that we’re always more than the sum of our parts, in a way we could say that the sum of our parts is official reality and ‘the more’ is unofficial reality.
KRIS: That may be more than rationalization, however, there is still a ring of truth within it. The more you are, the more you can actually move beyond the duality and the duplicity that necessarily functions within the tensions between the official and unofficial lines of consciousness.
JOHN: Ah, so just Being, is a way for us perhaps occasionally, to slip through one of those holes.
KRIS: Indeed. You can then straddle both official and unofficial lines of consciousness and experience yourself on a wider perception. Now, how an individual interprets for himself or herself what being is, can be another kettle of fish altogether. It is said often that people tell each other ‘be yourself’ but what is yourself?
JOHN: And how can you be anything else?
KRIS: Indeed! Now if you wish to know, to a small degree, what yourself is above and beyond some of the limited ideas you have on that subject matter, then you might avail yourself of the set of discussions we gave last fall on ‘Who Are You’. Now what is the time?
MARK: It is eight o’clock!
KRIS: Indeed then, we leave you to the wonders of your lovely official and unofficial selves and thank you dearly for your consideration.
JOHN: Thank you, Kris.
MARK: Thank you.
Just to point out, the ‘Who Are You’ series which started last fall, those transcripts are available for free on the krischronicles.com website, that’s Kris with a K. And also, there’s a five-CD set available of the audio files for a small fee. These sets include the meditations and practices and adventures that Kris delivered that help you reach those understandings and those higher states, and also like to say that the Lotus Mind workshop which is coming up in two weeks now, is almost sold out, it’s doing extremely well, the numbers keep going up and that’s about it. I’d like to thank you all for listening and…
SERGE: And thank you for natradio, for hosting us… oh, thatradio.
(Laughter)
MARK: www.thatradio.com, have a good night.
SERGE: That was your old self. (Referring to the previous name ‘natradio’)
(Session ends)
What is Time?
May 20, 2007
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 20, 2007
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene), John (Sohars), Joanna (Devana), Lorraine (Saggan), David (Elohim), and Marsha (Or-Inna)
(7:46 PM)
KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your lovely consideration.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
KRIS: Now we have in the past on varying occasions, spoken about Time and the nature of Time from various perspectives, enticing yourselves and readers to investigate this particular concept from the vantage point of other than the ordinary perspective. Some people may consider Time to be the enemy, as if it were a wolf snapping at their heels, from which they must run faster and faster. Other people have completely different notions of the concept of Time.
But what is Time? There are all sorts of views and philosophies and perspectives and ideas on the nature of Time. Some say there is no time or there is only “now time,” and so on and so forth. What do you think? And you should be aware that when we get on such a tangent, we have a few tricks up our sleeves.
(Group chuckling)
No ideas? No comments?
MARK: Well, Time from the human perspective would be a perception. Obviously it’s a man-made measurement, but it’s really a perception.
LORRAINE: Speaking of language, we talk about time to love, time to eat, time to do this, time to do that, time to have relationships, a LACK of time to do, and so on. “I don’t have time to finish, I do have time,” day time, night time, past, present, future time. We’ve got a lot of words we put before the word “time.”
KRIS: Indeed.
LORRAINE: It’s a measure.
KRIS: (Probingly) What does it measure?
MYRNA: Yeah, I was just thinking in terms of the conversation John and I were just having…if we’re moving units of consciousness in every nanosecond, then Time for me would measure….over time I could measure….well, one example: My progress [and] my ability to manifest. So I create a thought, and over time, something shows up. It gives me a measurement in that sense for me.
KRIS: Indeed. Others perhaps?
DAVID: Time is a serial, moment-to-moment platform?
KRIS: And what does that mean?
DAVID: One second is now, and now another second….and another.
KRIS: Indeed then, again, a kind of unit of measurement.
MARK: It’s linear, incremental.
KRIS: Is Time linear?
MARK: (Chuckling) As WE understand it! As we’ve manufactured it.
KRIS: It can be seen that way.
DAVID: Time is a shorthand we’ve created, that we’ve agreed on.
KRIS: That is excellent. From another perspective, indeed Time is a point of reference where you all have agreements and engagements for particular actions and activities of one kind or another. You all meet at 11:00. And usually when you meet at a certain time, you meet also at a certain place, because all of you could meet at 11:00!
(Group laughter)
Where? One could be at 11:00 in Timbuktu, another in Peru. Thus you set up specific coordinates with measurements of time to reference your activities. Does this make sense?
(Yes)
It is said that the ancients measured time on various scales, mostly on cosmological scales, measuring the movements of the stars and other heavenly or celestial bodies which gave them a certain reference point as well in terms of their studies and the development of various civilizations and cultures. Does this also make sense?
(Yes)
An ancient instrument to measure these movements of celestial bodies of one kind or another was known as or at least, what you have come to know as – the Celtic Cross. It provided specific angles between the Earth and the heavens from which various coordinates were then derived, enabling individuals, those in the capacity to know, to develop units of measurements on various scales. It is perhaps why those in positions of power were also called “rulers.” It referenced to units of measurements. However, there are also other properties to the measurement of Time and spatial coordinates that are less likely to be recognized and that is in part for your own neurological processes and synaptic activities.
That is only part of the picture. For the time being – do pardon the pun! – For now, each of your neurological processes occur in very precise sequences where information jumps from one synapse to another. And you also utilize this neurological activity as a means to translate actions of your own consciousness. For instance, all of the communication that comes to you as a variety of feeling-tones are interpreted through your own neurological processes and that gets translated according to your many different belief structures and convictions.
There is something else behind these notions of time and space, and you base your assumptions on something much greater even than your own biological mechanism. And that is the very act of consciousness, not merely the actions of consciousness, but the ACT of consciousness – creating awareness of anything you concentrate or focus upon – in and of itself becomes an activity translated through your neurological processes.
And those actions of the events, the conditions and the circumstances that you create convert the energy of consciousness in such a particular way that not only does it give you a reflection of your own inner activities projected outward, but that very act of creating, that act of consciousness literally bends and folds units of consciousness in such a manner that they become altered so as to create the imagery that becomes outwardly reflected into the actions and conditions and circumstances of daily life. This is rather complex so do forgive the occasional small hesitations.
(Kris is referring here to the short gaps in his delivery as he considers how to put his presentation into understandable terms.)
From moment to moment when units of consciousness are instantaneously and CONTINUOUSLY instantaneously transformed or even translated into the imagery that you are projecting outwardly, you create a most interesting psychic by-product, one which is the notion of Time because there is a momentary lag, even if it may take years, or minutes or decades for the translation to be completed. And at the same time, that kind of act creates a secondary by-product that even your scientists still cannot adequately understand or know. That is what you call electricity.
There are, in many ways, unlimited numbers, infinite numbers of units of consciousness permeating what you can say is ALL TIME AND SPACE, all times and spaces, simultaneously. And these are being continuously translated into one imagery after another throughout the entire spectrum of times and spaces, even including all of your focuses, and their experiences.
This still occurs in an ever-spacious present where it seems to you, for instance, that you may travel the world over, whilst in many respects in terms of consciousness, it is quite likely you have never left, you have never gone anywhere, but your CONSCIOUSNESS has interacted with units in such a manner as to create the sense of travel, of displacement. And these actions are what create the notion of time and space, and a by-product of this is what you refer to as electricity. It is the energy of the action of translation of consciousness.
So when you think “Woe is little old me, I have no abilities, I am so poor in energy, that I cannot create anything,” think again. The very notion of your IMAGE itself creates translations of consciousness such that you are a living, dynamic force that transforms energy. How can you not be a powerful being? Does this make sense to you?
(Yes)
We have said in numerous times then, that what occurs in the apparent “out there,” the seeming world of physical reality, the reflection and the confirmation of the contents of your subconscious mind in one way or another, that has to include all of the phenomenon, then, of reality, does it not? It does not include and is not limited to only the nice, pretty little things that happen day in and day out and excludes the challenges you would rather not talk about. Does that also make sense?
(Yes)
Would there be any questions on this topic?…. (Silent pause)….Then it must be clear that you understand quite well… (Group laughs)…and are ready for your certification! Physics and quantum fields! The trick, however, is what do you do with this?
JOHN: Ah yes, there’s the question.
KRIS: Indeed. That is what we are asking you!
JOHN: Oh!
(Group laughter)
MYRNA: Well, I have a question. I think I can go back to two years ago at least where this subject matter came up and it changed me forever. Mark was going to the bathroom, supposedly, remember that night?
MARK: All too well!
KRIS: It has been infamously recorded for all time!
(Laughter)
MYRNA: You said to us — you were still in the room — and you said to us, “You think Mark just got up and walked to the bathroom, what in fact is, what we did was move units of consciousness around so it looked as if we moved Mark going to the bathroom. And you expanded on it and over the last two years, I have come to understand with your help, how powerful I am. What astonishes me is a situation that I’m living with right now, where things that I had dreamt about a decade ago, and written about, and visualized, is happening now!
KRIS: And do you know why it took so long?
MYRNA: Well, that’s why I’m asking.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: I mean, I know about limiting beliefs, you’ve talked about limiting beliefs and I’ve worked on them, but….why now? I mean, I’m astonished.
KRIS: Because you have finally allowed any resistances to drop by the side of the road. In other words, you have suspended your disbeliefs in your ability to create the situation. As well, in light of your suspending all your disbeliefs, that energy that you had released so many years ago, through your intent became manifest. It was already there, it had no way of showing because you were constantly creating opposition. Does that make some sense to you?
MYRNA: Yeah…we’ve been working on the allowing and opposing…
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: Yeah, for sure. I’m….and you know, in some ways this is just my wanting to say I am so grateful. You know, I don’t really need to know what aspect of the resistance because I’ve just been working with all of this stuff….
KRIS: Indeed, however, it is important for you to understand that you did it!
MYRNA: Yes.
KRIS: Because you can return to that state, that zone, and implement other suspensions of disbeliefs to such a point that you can literally kick-start the kind of reality you have been working on for many years. So do not stop there.
MYRNA: Oh yeah…I don’t intend to!
(Group chuckling)
KRIS: There is a wooden table there that you can knock on!
(Riotous laughter)
MYRNA: Working with allowing and opposing, watching myself, when do I get into allowing, where am I opposing….is that the route? Even my judgments, watching and saying…. any kind of judgment is opposing….When I get into that feeling of opposing or judgment, what I say to myself is “That’s not connected to the stream of well-being.” That seems to be mostly what I’ve been doing.
KRIS: So you have been training yourself a la Pavlov very nicely. (Several people chuckle at this) The point is to at least begin to understand that reality is NOT a stumbling block to your abilities. This goes for all of you. But instead, the reality IS your ability to create. Period! That is your reality. When you resist, when you oppose your own abilities, you create unrealities in so many ways. Does that make some sense to you? Because you constantly fight and say, “This is not what I want! This is not what I want, and why the hell do I keep getting what I don’t want?” That is your own reality. Then you feel more separation.
MYRNA: What’s important for me is to know what it was that happened before this point for which I’m so grateful, because those are practices that obviously have worked for me.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: So the allowing and the opposing concept was critical….uh…accepting through doing things like EFT….
KRIS: All of the factors have accumulated to such a point where you very likely recognized suddenly that you were safe, that you were in a safe zone where you could then drop your resistances and invite the creation which you have already done. Yet you will notice that even your own self-criticism has dropped to a lower level because you are feeling safer. And it is very important. When you do not feel safe, you generate situations that reflect that lack of safety, which is lack of well-being. Well-being exists when you feel safe, at least at that layer.
As for what you created near a decade ago, which has now come to fruition, has now come to pass, the event was created when you forged it so long back, but it could not necessarily show because you kept establishing barriers of resistances and could not feel safe enough to allow it to demonstrate that it was already done. Do you follow?
MYRNA: I follow that intellectually because…you know we’ve been reading Abraham and Kris and…. intellectually? This is….the important point for me is I just kept doing the practices…..without even imagining that at the end of all of that something was going to shift. I just kept doing them.
KRIS: And you will notice that….we are looking for a word….you could say that yourself, Shara-Leene, and our humble selves, have conspired to bring you to a place where you COULD recognize that you felt safe enough to allow, in spite of your own resistances of any state. As you know, we are a sneaky bugger!
(Group laughs)
And, you fell for it hook, line and sinker!
(Riotous laughter)
And decided to STOP resisting your own best interests. Does that make some sense?
MYRNA: The words do.
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: The words do, but I don’t recall when the shift into safety happened, because I’ve been doing so many practices….I guess the part that makes me a little crazy is my need to control this, because I want to know what it actually was that I did….I know it was a continuation…
KRIS: It was ALL of them together.
MARK: The answer would be “yes.”
(Laughter)
MYRNA: I think….okay, I know, I know where the safety exists, right here in this room, it always has for me.
KRIS: But where is this room?
(Group laughter)
If you wish, we may be able to assist you to recognize WHERE this room is, and it is not where you think it is. All you need do is sit comfortably because you are going to have a practice. (Everyone begins shifting their positions to ready themselves for an adventure in practice.)
We suggest you sit comfortably with your feet on the ground as best as possible. And simply take a nice, comforting, soothing deep breath….exhale loudly….take another deep breath…. exhale loudly, and now gently go into a rhythmic breathing that relaxes your body, and as you continue to follow the sound of our voice, allow yourselves to relax deeper and deeper, concentrating on your breathing, on the sound of our voice and begin to pay attention to your body sitting there supported by the chair or couch….
And pretend for a moment that you are simple awareness of being, that you are suspended within awareness that your miraculous bodies are a creation of your awareness…but that in truth the body exists only in your mind, that you are hearing the sound of our voice not through your ears alone, but through your being. You might be able to hear the sound of our voice with your chest, with your feet, anywhere in the body.
And as you continue relaxing deeper and deeper in your sensed awareness pretend that you are simply a stream of awareness from which time and space simply exist as a concept…… that you are simply an idea of yourselves…. and even though the image of the body projected in time and space seems to be located in this room, know that the room, the walls, the floor, the ceiling, the furnishings, the bodies are projections of consciousness…. that in so many other ways there is no room. There are no walls, no furnishings, no bodies, no time, no space. There is only awareness now.
And deep within that awareness is a sense of well-being, of safety, of power, unlike anything you may have ever been able to conceive of until now. Consider that the stars, the firmament, the solar system, the planet, the universe, are projections of consciousness and sense the depth and the power of that timeless psychological presence that is Self, that the stars near and far represent other ideas of yourselves, untapped potential. And in a moment, you will reconnect with your regular notions of yourselves, that you can bring back the vast expanse and the true nature of your awareness as you express it within the potential of your physical body. And in a moment, we will count from five to one. At one you will open your eyes and be fully conscious and awake in this room.
Now you might like to take a deep breath to energize the body…. Five, four…. allow all sensations to return to the body…. three, two…. open your eyes, fully awake, aware and conscious in this room, feeling good about yourselves in every way.
Now then we will leave you for a small break so you can ponder the mysteries that you are.
(Break at 8:31 PM.)
Joanna reviews some of the topics discussed when she attended a Toronto session two weeks earlier and what Myrna has been working through in her personal life. Myrna agrees and states how she recently incorporated several techniques together including one of Kris’ adventures in practice, a Gestalt therapy technique and some practices that she and John together had modified using art therapy and how helpful it has all been for her.
Myrna paraphrases from an Elias session that she and John had discussed earlier in which Elias stated that certain aspects can rule our lives at certain times, and how she recently recognized that for the past ten years, she has been concentrating on an aspect of “lack,” which she now believes had been ruling her life, putting it into the context of Kris’ presentation tonight. She turns to John for verification of what she has extrapolated. John suggests that “ruled” is perhaps too forceful a word. He suggests “steered” instead.
(Kris returns at 8:39 PM)
KRIS: Now, as you have pointed out, it is important to know that there are no aspects, per se, that come in and set up rules, do you follow?
(Yes)
You draw them in according to your particular moods, and when we use the word “moods,” we mean much more than what you normally go through. Do you understand? We are talking of vast psychological movements deep within your own being of which surface aspects of the ego construction are barely able to comprehend. Those you could consider aspects. It is not as if they invade and set up command posts, you understand. You draw them in according to your moods, in accordance with your notions of value fulfillment at that time.
And if for instance there is within you a recognition of being unsafe, you will coordinate your reality in accordance with those moods until you are able to release the ruling aspects, much like astrological houses. An astrological sign ruled by the house of Virgo or the house of Libra, or something of that nature. It is not as if Libra or Virgo or the Moon or other sinister bodies actually RULE and make the commands, but they exert influence and this by your own designations. So powerful are each of you that you set up your own kingdom, but as sweet as your species is, you are rendered even sweeter by your incredible talent to forget that you are such powerful beings!
(Laughter)
And then you pretend that you have no more power over your environment, your conditions or situations. Thus internally you send out a call and that call is answered, seemingly by ourselves and others, but we still voice YOUR call for assistance. Does that make some sense to you?
LORRAINE: No…I’m sorry.
KRIS: Where did you get lost?
LORRAINE: Somewhere about…when you mentioned call for assistance.
KRIS: Indeed.
LORRAINE: And that… is that when we’re…we have our defenses up?
KRIS: Correct. You have your defenses up, you are ready to go to war with yourselves, you are in such state of conflict, inner conflict, but above and beyond the conflict is an understanding that you have the abilities and the resources to work through the conflict, use it to your advantage. You may be unable to understand the complexities, thus the call is picked up and we answer the call. We voice your own answers. We assist you to look back to yourselves for the answers. We have never provided anyone with an answer that you did not have.
And if you read the material, even that which is from twenty odd years ago, you will recognize that much of it, somehow or other, has crossed your mind, somewhere. That you were likely uncertain that it had any value whatsoever because the official line of consciousness says one thing, the unofficial line of consciousness says something else, but you are feeling trapped behind the official line of consciousness and you do not trust the unofficial line, or if you wish, the unofficial self. You become suspect, even of your own highest values and think you are truly unworthy. Does that make sense to you?
LORRAINE: So if I’m feeling unworthy and I send out that call, are you going to help me feel more unworthy, or are you — (Lorraine’s words are drowned in gales of laughter from the rest of the group.)
KRIS: As you wish! We cannot do anything you do not want! Nor can we even take you to the water. We can only point in the direction of the water. It is up to you to find the water in the direction we point and then satiate your thirst.
LORRAINE: So if I’m feeling unworthy and know I’m feeling unworthy, and think I don’t really want to feel unworthy, but I feel….. that’s how I feel, but I want to overcome that. That’s the call I send out, are you going to then point me in the direction of worthiness?
KRIS: We will point in the direction of the best part of yourself that recognizes that feeling unworthy is truly such a small part of you but you have magnified it so much that you have forgotten that feeling unworthy is temporary. It is simply a passing cloud casting shadows, and you believe that the shadow cast by the cloud is all there is about yourself.
LORRAINE: I understand that.
KRIS: Indeed. Now if you step outside of the shadow, what happens? One of two things.
LORRAINE: I don’t feel unworthy.
KRIS: Indeed. There is also the possibility that you have become so accustomed to the shadows that you will return under the shadow of the cloud, because feeling worthy may seem frightening. You may think that is not your normal state. And our simple purpose then, is, in a way, to convince you that your original premise, that you are a worthy and worthwhile individual, is your true nature. Thus, we play blackjack with you. Do you follow?
LORRAINE: Up to the blackjack, yes.
KRIS: Indeed. We make it so that you convince yourself you are winning, in so many words. You can recognize that your original self is your true self and that part that was under the cloud was merely a learning experience to return to the original self. Once the cloud is removed, or that you step outside of the influence of the cloud, either way, what is left but the original self.
LORRAINE: So it’s a matter of learning to feel comfortable with the original self.
KRIS: The original self is not that far off from what you experienced during the meditation, free of all constraints of time and space and every position you set up upon self. Does that make sense to you?
LORRAINE: Yes. Yeah, the meditation’s a big place to be.
KRIS: Because it is your creation. We merely offered words that take you to where you want to be. You could say then, that we are facilitating coaches.
LORRAINE: Facilitating what?
JOHN: Coaches.
KRIS: Not roaches.
(Laughter)
(To John) Does that give YOU an idea?
JOHN: Yes!
KRIS: Now, do you have other questions?
JOANNA: Yes, going back a bit, when you talked about “poor little me, we, we…” and the energy and the vibration…. I feel myself vibrating at times and sometimes it is very fast and sometimes it is just goes slow. I don’t know what brings it on and nine out of ten times I don’t know why it stops. That’s one question. I have a second question, do you want to deal that first?
KRIS: Continue.
JOANNA: A few years ago I had to stop driving because it happened very frequently when I drove that I would feel as though the car was going in reverse and I would get scared because that was not a normal thing to happen….. I think. (Laughs) And I was sitting on a bus and I felt that the bus was going back and this happened a few days ago, and this hasn’t happened to me for a few years, and I’m wondering am I going forward or am I going backward, what’s this about?
KRIS: During such instances, do you recall your stream of thoughts at the time? Most likely not.
JOANNA: No…I mean, yes, you’re right.
KRIS: We would refer to such instances as time and space distortions. They often occur to individuals in varying intensities, usually in response to deeper inner philosophical musings. Even if you are not conscious of them — and you must recognize that you entertain thoughts that you are not conscious of entertaining, that is the nature of thoughts, per se. You could say that the entire Self is a continuous amalgam of streams of awareness.
You translate certain of those streams over others as in a selective process in accordance with your abilities to manifest some of them. Thus, your neurological processes can seem at times to accelerate, at times to slow down. And these naturally create distortions in time-space perceptions. Were you to learn and develop a deeper awareness of those processes, you could easily entertain projections out of the body.
JOANNA: Oh really?! I’ve done that!
KRIS: Without necessarily doing so in the traditional way where you merely fall asleep. As we described on the radio show, so many people are completely unawares that for instance, traveling on the subway to work in the morning or home in the evening, they, half-aware, muse to themselves how nice it would be to be in this tropical holiday, this far-away land, in so many different situations than the ones they normally entertain consciously, without realizing that a portion of their consciousness IS actively engaged and that IS a reality. But to the individual it is a kind of daydream from which they snap out of very quickly. Do you follow?
JOANNA: Yes.
KRIS: So all of you engage in projections of consciousness in so many ways, (To Myrna) exactly as you did, nearly a decade ago in projecting your intent. So you had created that reality, but it could not reach you for reasons we have described. There are SOME projections you engage in that you will simply not experience, some for your own safety.
JOANNA: So my question, which I didn’t ask before is, how do I use what happened to me to my advantage?
KRIS: Indeed. When it is convenient, and by this we mean preferably NOT in a public place –
JOANNA: Yeah, well right…! (Chuckling)
KRIS: Recapture the mood and concentrating on it may very well intensify it, and then follow what is pulling you. Simply follow it and see where the experience takes you….like Alice in Wonderland, through the rabbit hole. Simply be careful of what kind of cookies you eat!
(Group chuckling)
MYRNA: So it sounds like it’s not something to be afraid of at all.
KRIS: Indeed not.
JOANNA: I was scared to death!
MYRNA: It sounds like an opportunity to explore where that consciousness wants to go.
JOANNA: This is why I’m asking, because it hasn’t happened for awhile. The vibration happens on an ongoing basis, that I can deal with, because we are all energy so we vibrate….but what scares me is when I begin to (Joanna makes a purring vibration sound) and the speed with which it happens that really….I don’t know….what was I thinking, you know?…I just have to pull up and stop.
KRIS: Indeed. If you direct your attention right now to the back of your head, approximately six to eight inches, near where the tree is, you will find that there is a small circular acceleration of energy in that area.
JOANNA: Okay…and that has been affecting my neck since I’ve been sitting here! (Giggling)
KRIS: (Humorously) Now that is your own creation!
JOANNA: (Laughing) Okay!
KRIS: But that is an area where you can focus upon, because a particular stream of self is captured by that energy center. It is as if you are tuning into a channel, like on your radio. The signals, which are energy, which are creation – concept-wise – can entice you into some interesting adventures even if it is only initially in terms of imagery. Imagery generates feelings….and…have fun!
JOANNA: (Laughs)
LORRAINE: Does that mean that everybody has that energy about eight inches behind their head?
KRIS: Indeed. You think your radar is in front of you because you are accustomed to your sensory perceptions, but on the contrary, it is usually behind you…at least in terms of your perceptions. So notice it! See what happens, what kind of wonderful, interesting journeys and discoveries you can make about yourselves in that respect.
LORRAINE: That’s interesting…when I go to a restaurant I don’t like having my back to the wall, I like to sit with my –
KRIS: This is slightly different –
LORRAINE: — so I don’t have anybody behind me…
KRIS: That is slightly different. That refers more specifically to your feelings of psychological safety.
LORRAINE: Yes, right.
KRIS: You do not like to be surprised….not in that sense.
LORRAINE: Not in that sense. I like surprises, but not like that.
KRIS: Now, what is the time?
MARK: 9:01.
KRIS: Now, do you have any other interesting inquiries?
MARSHA: Yeah, I do. I don’t know quite how to ask the question….I do believe that I’m powerful and can create and have created my life totally up until now…and I can create, for example, create and re-create my own body, and yet I have a really powerful block that I’ve worked and worked and worked and yet I don’t know what is….the safety thing really resonates with me.
KRIS: Indeed.
MARSHA: Yeah.
KRIS: As we said earlier, human beings are truly sweet. Now, you have the incredible capacity and notion that if there is a block and you keep running into it harder, faster, more often –
(Group cracks up)
– Somehow or other, you will get through! Now if only you would step back and see it for what it is. Literally, see it for what it is, then you would recognize that there is no need to keep at it, but instead go around it. When you see a large rock in the road, do you keep driving into it, into it, into it?
(Laughter)
Or do you say, “I can simply drive around it?” Now are you in any way, shape, or form, aware of what that block is?
MARSHA: I think it has to do with not feeling safe.
KRIS: And where does that come from?
MARSHA: You mean in my background where does it come from?
KRIS: Where did you learn to put that block up?
MARSHA: I don’t really know….I can take a guess at it, but I don’t really know…
KRIS: If you were to take a guess, what do you think it would be?
MARSHA: Well, it probably has to do with what I’ve been taught as I was growing up…
KRIS: Which is?
MARSHA: Um…well, it has to do with money, so I guess it has to do with….hiding money, and not showing money….and it has to do with just…I never was…I think there was an assumption in my house that I would never have to worry about it, so I was never taught about it. So I didn’t have any knowledge of it and I didn’t get familiar with it.
KRIS: And what other things were not spoken about in your house?
MARSHA: Hmmm….well that certainly wasn’t spoken about….I think my parents just assumed I would get married and be taken care of.
KRIS: What other parts of life were NOT spoken about or addressed?
MARSHA: Well….
KRIS: Parts of life, aspects of living.
MARSHA: I guess sex wasn’t spoken about….never were feelings ever talked about in the house, I was just allowed to go out and discover on my own…no one ever talked to me about anything….
KRIS: And what about….what we would simply call self-enrichment? Potentials, abilities, ESPECIALLY when it comes to love and affection, apart from the more erotic aspects?
MARSHA: I never had a lack of that, it was there and I was always allowed to think for myself and explore myself.
MARK: But were you encouraged?
MARSHA: Yeah, I was always encouraged.
KRIS: And out of all these various situations, if you were to consider yourself in the very center of those many situations of your growing up, what would you consider could have been explored from today’s perspective?
MARSHA: What do I wish?
KRIS: Indeed.
MARSHA: I really wish that I had been schooled around money. I remember I never went into a bank, I didn’t go into a bank until I left home. I don’t remember having a bank account, I was never taught about it and I think there was, and still is with my parents, an assumption that somehow that someone else is taking care of me.
KRIS: And how does that make you feel?
MARSHA: It’s….it’s disempowering. Very disempowering. I remember the first time I realized it, I was working with a woman in England who was kind of a shaman, and I was telling her about my father and how he would always give me money and it was all very sweet and nice and she said to me, “Well, didn’t he trust you to do it yourself?” And that was the first time I realized that I was never given that power to handle that power or to earn money….and I’ve known about that for some time.
KRIS: Now, our purpose is to bring you into a place, per se, where you can observe how the value of your own self was never necessarily encouraged nor cultivated, in that sense.
MARSHA: Yeah. I know that.
KRIS: What would it be like if you can think back to all of those years of your childhood and that had also been part of your upbringing? Think back and put those pictures, insert the movie, the missing movie about your sense of self-worth in conjunction with this knowledge. Create in your mind’s eye right now a new movie of your youth with all of this knowledge inserted in. (To John) What is the word that you used on Friday?
JOHN: Continuity.
KRIS: Indeed. Create a new continuity in your life movie right now. You can see the pictures being inserted as if you are editing right now in your mind. Everything you have learned since and everything you will continue to learn in the months and years ahead, being inserted into your life. How does that make you feel?
MARSHA: I’m having trouble doing the insertion….I’m not sure…I have to…. there are a lot of them…
KRIS: Pick one.
MARSHA: How would it have made me feel, or how does it make me feel?
KRIS: How does it make you feel now, knowing that it is already part of your past. And the part that you just created shoots off into a whole new direction.
MARSHA: Yes……uh…Valued.
KRIS: Knowing that you have created KNOWLEDGE of a substantial nature to handle your life and to do it on your own terms, a great gift that you have given yourself. How does that make you feel now?
MARSHA: Well….energetically changed…something.
KRIS: Indeed. Now just take one brief moment and imagine what that can do for tomorrow and next week and next month.
MARSHA: Hmmm….I don’t know, but I’m kind of excited.
KRIS: That is exactly what is needed.
MARSHA: Oh, okay. My head is kind of buzzing.
KRIS: Indeed. Keep buzzing in this way.
MARSHA: Thank you.
MYRNA: That’s a tool any of us can use.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOANNA: I like the simplicity of it. I’ve never done that.
KRIS: You can become as good as any Hollywood producer.
MYRNA: Kris has told us we can go back and shift ourselves.
LORRAINE: That’s NLP.
MARSHA: You know, I’ve done that myself, but it hasn’t felt the same as when I just did it now. For sure.
LORRAINE: What’s different?
MARSHA: Um…
MARK: It actually worked?
(Laughter)
MARSHA: (Laughing) Yeah! It DID actually work, because I’m working through it differently… energetically… so for me it’s not about just in my head or imagining, it’s….down here.
KRIS: Indeed. You did it!
MARSHA: I guess I did!
KRIS: It is following the philosophy of “DID-ISM”.
(Group cracks up)
MARSHA: Thank you.
KRIS: Indeed….Now what is the time?
MARK: 9:14.
KRIS: Then, we suggest that you all do something wonderful and marvelous for yourselves and see how things change. You are, after all, creatures that love change, even though you fight it, it is when you are at your very best and when knowledge, wisdom kick in, is when you stop fighting change and do it! So we leave you to your lovely, sweet selves and return Joseph to you.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
(Session ends at 9:15 PM)
