The Nature of Change (Art of Being 3)

April 29, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 29, 2007
Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Myrna, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Jen, Anya, Lisa, Tom

(7:59 PM)

KRIS: Now, we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. This evening’s discussion is on change, and we do not mean that which is in your pocket or purse. Thus, the nature of change: change is indeed a most peculiar, strange, often desired, just as often feared and sometimes loathed, creature. It has been with you, meaning your species, and in your individual and collective reality since the very notion of an idea complex. Yet, you have consistently, persistently and irrefutably fought change since that very time that you became conscious in the regular sense of the word.

As such, you fear change for a number of reasons, and as we have pointed out a short while back, even though you resist, you fight it, you oppose it, it is only when change happens that you actually grow in wisdom, in experience, in knowledge, on so many counts. So you have established a very strange love-hate relationship with anything regarding change. And there are many reasons for this, some of which we will be able to explore with you, some of which you will have to determine and figure out by yourselves and thus connect the dots.

And later on we will tell you a little tale of when change came to town so that you can enjoy it from an entirely different perspective altogether. Now if you notice, take the time to observe other people, yourselves, friends, family, relatives near and far, you will definitely conclude that many, if not most people in one way or another talk about change, all the things they would love to change in their lives. And though a great many people insist on keeping traditions, even old traditions alive, even they yearn for some kind of change or mention that others are leaving behind the old traditions and heading towards change, or how people are changing, neglecting old ways and customs and traditions.

Thus, all around you, all over the world, change is happening in one way or another. Without change, there is no need for communications, no need for your communications empires, newspapers, radio, television, the internet and so on and so forth. All of these are to communicate the changing world to individuals to keep the subscriber, the listener, the reader up on everything that changes in the world in one way or another. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Thus, change is occurring all around you and yet, as individuals, it is also something that you all resist very strongly, especially when and if it ever lands in your back yard. And there are many different reasons to fear change. Change can bring an alteration in the status quo. Change can bring an alteration in one’s social standing. Change can bring the appearance of loss of something. Change can appear in such a way that the self might lose a part of itself.

And there are many, many other reasons that can be fitted in here, but for the most part, all of these reactions are because change represents the unknown and the unknown usually triggers a fear-based reaction in the majority of human beings because it will occasion a re-orientation of the known self to accommodate what is unknown due to change – changing circumstances, relationships, situations and so on and so forth.

And if there is one thing that your lovely subconscious minds dislike is a change in the established orders and principles of all of the programming you have established, meaning your present beliefs. Thus, it will set up a road block, resistances, opposings, with the idea that it is protecting and preserving you from unknowns. The unknowns represent then a kind of threat. Do you follow?

(Yes)

It is fine and well that the conscious mind generates through its own venues all kinds of ideas, desires, pursuits, goals and so on and so forth. However, if these ideas, goals, pursuits, etc. represent too significant an alteration or change of the status quo established at the conscious level, the conscious mind will refute it, especially when change is viewed as radical, extreme, and therefore considered highly unsuitable, because as human beings you are basically programmed towards that which gives you pleasure. That is part of your basic blueprint and when you venture towards the unknown, the unknown is viewed therefore as suspect because the subconscious mind cannot determine if the unknown represents pleasure or displeasure, or pain.

Thus, it will err on the side of caution in an attempt to preserve your well-being, again especially when change is determined too radical. Thus in its lovely attempts to protect you, the subconscious mind may indeed set up conditions that sabotage your own best interests and thus return you to the previous position of that which you know gives you pleasure. Now we utilize the term “subconscious,” sometimes “unconscious,” but do recognize that it is still your whole mind, your whole self, but these are designations that you can relate to as other aspects of your whole self, do you follow?

(Yes)

Thus, when you, with your own sets of wonderful intentions and drives and enthusiasm and momentum, come up with these novel ideas of how to change this part of your personality and enhance that part of your persona, create those changes in your lives, you are very often met with resistances or opposition which you may think comes from outside because your own pre-programmed opposition to change, as with all other things, will be reflected into the nature of physical reality, even more so if and when you subscribe to a variety of beliefs where you consider yourself unworthy of happiness and joy or an entire other host of such destructive kinds of considerations.

Thus, your convictions, your considerations, have in some ways to be examined and literally viewed, seen as not the force that goes against you and your own momentum, but as an energy that is looking out for your own well-being and with such a simple understanding, you may not only befriend this energy, but be able to utilize it to your own advantage.

Now before we continue, it must also be pointed out that this which we have just been speaking of, this resistance, opposition to change, is one of the major reasons why ultimately the greater portions of adventures such as “The Secret” – and all of the other apparent magical, instantaneous formulas for creating change in a radical manner in your life – in the long run will prove most difficult to put into effect because this is not taken into consideration at all, giving the individual the idea that all they need do is a variation on the wishful thinking, without considering that by itself, what you term the conscious mind is not the doer, is not the creator, but is the inspiration, is the intention.

The doer and creator in this context, is what you call the subconscious mind. That is the aspect of your persona that contains the power, the energy to reflect and confirm your convictions into the physical reality you personally each experience. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Thus, we will also present some methods by which you can befriend your own resistance to change and first and foremost we have to inform you of this disclaimer: this method will assist you in creating the changes you need in your life incrementally and practically, however, if you wish for fantasies it will prove more difficult and challenging if not outright impossible for your present life situation.

We are already well aware that this already goes against the grain of many kinds of teachings and philosophies floating randomly about in the collective at this point, but we wish you to succeed on a consistent and long-term basis. And we make no claims that all of your desires will be manifest in fifteen minutes or less. We would rather leave that to those who are experts at marketing to convince the crowds to give their hard-earned monies, where the few that actually profit and benefit from those kinds of philosophies eventually disappear. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now, this resistance to change, though very strong, is not your enemy. It is your friend and it seeks your well-being. When there are conflicts, it is usually because you do not necessarily and specifically understand the dynamics between your opposing and your allowing to a greater depth. And one of the major reasons there are conflicts when change is on the horizon is pure and simple fear of the unknown. It may very well be coupled with varieties of other convictions that you hold, but first, foremost, forefront, is FEAR OF CHANGE.

Thus by recognizing various times of being when the opposing is at its lowest, you can begin to introduce small changes. You can focus on pre-determined goals and begin with rather simple and practical goals, goals that you can easily see yourself accomplishing as opposed to or instead of beginning right away going from zero balance in your bank account to twenty zeros in your bank account in thirty days or less. We urge you to be realistic, especially in the early stages if you wish the process to work for you. Does this make sense?

(Yes)

This is also the reason why so many laid out wonderful plans, goals, rarely make it past the drawing board of the imagination: simply because the contrast is so vast that the unconscious simply disconnects, it cannot reconcile the change and therefore cannot provide the energy to bring this about in your reality. Thus starting on a smaller scale, working on practical goals, goals that you are ready and willing to take action towards and not necessarily merely sit on your couch, as these rarely come about.

Thus what we are suggesting then is acquiring a small or not so small notebook or pad which you can name “My Goals” and establishing a practical smaller goal to begin with, say, learning something new and set your goal in your notebook, say you know that a course for learning blank takes two months, so you set your goal for two months from today. And you may even write down the date and the number of days. Two months, sixty days.

The next night, fifty-nine days and so on. And write what the goal is. And write at least one firm, clear, positive affirmation, such as “My positive intent, my positive attitudes, are assisting me in attaining my goal of blank” and make certain that this is all written in longhand script. And keep this up every night until your goal is attained. Then you may continue to another goal, using the same principles.

Now there is a secret to using this type of notebook and that is approximately thirty minutes before your bedtime, your regular bedtime, so if you regularly retire at 11:00 PM, then at 10:30 PM you will write this in your book as we described. And there is a reason why we suggest you write everything in this book in longhand only, never in block writing, because writing longhand is an automatic subconscious process, thus giving you access then to your own subconscious processes, drawing the attention in a manner that is beneficial to you, because at this thirty minute period before your regular bedtime is when your resistance to change is extremely low. Do you follow?

MARK: What if your goal isn’t time-sensitive, like sixty days?

KRIS: Give an example.

MARK: (Searching) Um….

KRIS: Because it is not dependent upon time-sensitive goal-setting. You can use it in other ways.

MARK: So obviously instead of saying sixty days, fifty-nine days, fifty-eight days, you would keep repeating your affirmation and repeating the goal…

KRIS: Until the goal is attained. Either way, use it at your discretion. What is important is the time – thirty minutes before your regular bedtime, in script, and even though there may be an evening where you think this evening you will not bother, that is when it is even more crucial that you do so. This may represent an instance where your resistance is a little more on edge. Secondly, immediately after you get into bed, just when you have found your most comfortable position, the one that will lead you to fall asleep, you can make use of this particular time in repeating the affirmation, “My positive intent, my positive attitudes, are assisting me in attaining my blank.”

And the key here is firstly to say the affirmation only in your mind, but without saying the words, softly move your lips to the words and as you repeat this affirmation at least ten times, you may wish to tap a finger, moving from left small finger all the way through to right small finger, one sentence, each finger, tapping or moving, whether on your lap, on your pillow, on your cover, however. And only allowing yourself to fall asleep after you have taken these only few minutes to do this, perhaps even suggesting to yourself that you will have a deep, refreshing sleep.

And the reason for saying the words only in your mind and only moving your lips to the words is that when you speak to yourself, whether reading a book, magazine, newspaper, you are again activating a subconscious process to further support your goal at another point where resistance to change is at an even lower ebb. And with this engaged so closely to your falling asleep, you enhance the possibilities that your intents and affirmations will eventually start appearing in your dreams, therefore further fueling the creative momentum of your subconscious mind towards manifesting this in physical reality that you experience. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now this may seem a lot, but after a very short amount of practice, it only takes a few moments. However, with a small dose of excitement and anticipation on your part, within a short amount of time you may begin to notice small indications, bread crumbs on the trail to achieving your goals begin to show up in your physical reality, until your goal is fully manifest. Do you follow?

(Yes)

In this fashion, you are introducing change, but in a very, small incremental dosage that literally fly below the radar of your resistances to change. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Thus it should also become obvious to you that even though there is a certain degree of negative style beliefs that may get in the way of your attainment of your regular goals, they are not solely responsible as much as the resistance to change that YOU hold through fear, specifically fear of losing what you already have because almost no one considers the prospect of gaining something when there is the potential of losing something. The onus immediately goes to the fear of losing. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now does that not make sense to you?

(Yes)

What is the time?

MARK: 8:49.

KRIS: Then indeed we suggest a small break from all of this heady stuff!

(Kris returns at 8:58 PM)

KRIS: Now even though this has generated some commotion, the point is to put it into practice, and as has already been pointed out, begin to take affirmative action that supports, sustains and nourishes the path to your goal. If, for instance, your goal is to be able to run one mile a day, what do you think would be a practical approach to this? Sitting in front of the telly watching people run whilst you eat chips, cream puffs and cookies?

(Laughter)

Or, you begin to walk for fifteen, twenty minutes and after a few days you pick up the pace, and after a few days you begin a slow run until in thirty days running one mile is more than easily accomplished. Thus, the point is to begin acting in line with this new intent. Once you have accomplished your goal, choose another, perhaps ever so slightly challenge the previous until you can see that the process works very well for you.

And the key is to keep it real and practical so that incrementally you can introduce bigger challenges as goals that will just as easily become manifest in your experience of life. This will not only boost your sense of accomplishment but enhance self-confidence, meaningful and powerful value enhancements in such a way that your understanding of the processes becomes second nature to you so that you can use this marvelous process and transform your lives such as they reflect your intent.

Now we would enjoy telling you a little story and for this we humbly suggest to sit comfortably, perhaps your feet on the ground, your back straight and supported, hands very nicely relaxed in your lap and take very nice deep breath so that you can exhale with a big sigh of relief, exhaling all tensions and stresses as you do so, allowing your shoulders to show the relaxation, breathing deeply when you exhale, relaxing even further….and again breathing deeply, relaxing further still.

And as you do so, notice where in your body, whether your feet, calves, knees, there may develop a nice sensation of relaxation that goes up the body, up the knees, the thighs, towards the hips and as you continue to breathe deeply, your relaxation deepens and as the relaxation deepens, it allows you to feel better and better about yourselves. And as you continue to listen to the sound of our voice, allow that sense of deepening relaxation to create a lovely sinking feeling as if your relaxation sinks deeper and deeper into you.

And as the sound of our voice and your deepening relaxation assist you in this process, enjoy finding your favorite safe and happy place which allows you to go deeper into relaxation and once there, simply pay attention to the sound of our voice and the words as we create this lovely story for you about when Change came to town.

One day the citizens of Eventown, where everyone enjoyed an even lifestyle, an even experience, news came that a stranger was heading for town and the stranger’s name was Change. People experienced different things upon hearing this news. Some became frightened and ran indoors to their homes, bolted their doors, shut their windows, hid in the deepest part of their home, awaiting an ominous calamity.

Others began to talk about this stranger, Change, coming to town, expressing concern for their safety, wondering if they should meet this stranger and turn it away, others still were reluctant to even meet with the stranger called Change, because they could not know, nor could they tell, what the outcome of the meeting would be. And everyone reacted in some strange fashion because they could not understand if this stranger called Change, come to town, was friend or foe or whatnot. Could they trust this stranger?

And so many citizens of the town of Even, or Eventown, expressed fears and resistance to the very idea of a stranger visiting them that they were almost immobilized, unable to think clearly, fearing of course the worst – that their lives could in some way be endangered – until one person suddenly expressed the idea that no one had actually met this stranger called Change, so how could they know that it could possibly bring some form of calamity or another?

How could they determine this if they had never even met the stranger in the first place and gotten to know who this stranger was and what the stranger was all about? Still the citizens expressed reluctance and resistance, thinking that only the worst could come of meeting a stranger, but the one single voice of reason eventually convinced more and more citizens of Eventown to consider the possibility that perhaps meeting Change might not be so dangerous or disastrous at all but might bring a new opportunity for different experiences.

And as each person, each citizen of Eventown considered the apparent reasoning and wisdom with the one single voice, they concluded that the least they could do was to meet with this stranger called Change and see for themselves what all the commotion was about. Thus, the moment came when the stranger called Change came to town and the various citizens of Eventown, one by one, two by twos, eventually introduced themselves, albeit still with a little reluctance.

They began to see and hear and know for themselves that since the stranger called Change was no longer a stranger and that meeting Change proved to be quite a nice experience, each citizen of Eventown that met Change began to like Change so much, they too began to vibrate in a manner that allowed Change into their lives in such a way that in a short amount of time, not one citizen of Eventown could consider that Change was anything but a friend, not only in need, but indeed.

And slowly the citizens liked their new friend and the way they too felt, that they all agreed not only to give Change the key to the city, but to modify the name of their town to honor their new friend. Thus, they all became the citizens of Changetown. And in this way, they began to appreciate new aspects of themselves, new ideas, and they were, slowly and gradually, changed.

End of story, and with this we leave you to your lovely inner changes and as we now tell you, you can open your eyes, be fully conscious and awake, yet so very nicely relaxed, and yourselves changed in some way. And with this now we return you to your own changed selves and take leave of your lovely presence.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:21 PM)

Detailed Roll Call:
Toronto: Serge(Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Cathy (Segova), Brian (El-Don), Jen (Alma)
Salt Lake: Anya (Greensleeves)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar)
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)

Open Discussion

April 22, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 22, 2007
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Lorraine (Saggan), Joanna (Devana), David (Elohim), and Marsha (Or-Inna)

(8:03 PM session begins)

KRIS: Now then, we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable and warm!

MARK: (Chuckling) Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: Since we have been somewhat of a slave driver for the last several weeks, what is your feeling on an open discussion?

JOHN: Bravo!

MARK: Sure.

KRIS: Indeed then. This means that one of you needs to become the first target!

(Laughter)

(To John) And since you are so nicely accustomed to that, perhaps you would do the honors of being the first sacrificial offering?

JOHN: Absolutely no problem. I’m happy to participate and to engage.

KRIS: Indeed. Please feel free to ask your questions.

JOHN: Well, I did a little experiment today and I did my own adventure in practice where I used your induction technique – down the stairs, you know – and went into my little workshop that I have down there and I just wondered if you felt that that was a potentially helpful thing to do?

KRIS: Any practice that allows you, any of you, to explore your own dimension and any relevant aspect of Self, however you want to picture or image it in terms of what you very nicely call “positives” is most certainly encouraged.

JOHN: Well, it felt good to do it.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And I had an interesting experience. I have been having a little trouble with my eyes, with little floaters and some issues with clarity and whatnot, and I….first of all I saw Sohars, my Essence, floating outside the balcony of my workshop – this is my inner workshop – Sohars appeared in the form of Ganesh, which is a big elephant, but he was floating in the air, so I went into a little cubicle and I shone beams of healing energy onto my eyes – I’m just making this stuff up! – so I’m shining beams of healing energy out of my eyes, right?

But I suddenly get an inspiration and I take two little tiny suns, like you would see a star in the sky, and I put one inside each eye so that it would shine OUT from my eyes. When I was finished – and it felt very good to do that – when I was finished, I looked up beyond the balcony and I saw Sohars sitting there floating as an elephant and I noticed that he had two little suns in his eyes, too. And I wondered if there was any more significance to that than I realized?

KRIS: Perhaps there is and perhaps there isn’t. You can very well determine that on your own. However, we will add this: Those kinds of practices can be enhanced and modified as you see fit. There is absolutely nothing wrong with “making the stuff up” as you go along. That is also part of following your own impulse. The imagery will come in a manner that displays your needs, that displays your desires.

You can indeed even increase the depth of your approaches in such practices. For instance, as you go down the steps, simply mention to yourself, without necessarily speaking out loud, that every two steps out of ten, you feel your relaxation go deeper and deeper. And you can enhance the phenomenon by allowing a very gentle feeling of literally sinking deeper and deeper into the mattress if you are laying down, or the couch, however you do it, so that there is also some tactile perceptions involved, and follow the call of your meditation. As is often said, “Go with the flow.”

So if the scenery changes to a beautiful country landscape or a mountainside, or the ocean side, in a tropical forest, however it presents itself in the moment will be a reflection of some of your own emotional state at that moment and examine it in the same way that you would a dream that you recall.

If, for example, you suddenly find yourself visiting a great castle, then that may also describe your perceptions of Essence, or Higher Self. So you can be very liberal, you can be very giving to yourself during those practices. The idea is to follow them through. It is one thing to speak about them another to actually engage them and create them on your own. And that is our encouragement!

JOHN: Well, thank you! I feel encouraged, because I think this is only the second or third time that I’ve actually done it and it’s great! Yeah, there’s something very fun going on there. I feel like I’m reaching under the hood and tweaking the engine or something.

KRIS: That is exactly what you do. It allows operation in perceptions and that in itself is the whole point, once your perspectives have been altered.

JOHN: Well, it’s interesting, I did that a couple of hours ago and two or three times since that time, issues have come up around the clarity of my vision, I feel those suns in there shining out with wonderful warmth and clarity.

KRIS: Now, the question remains, do we all have to get shades?

(Laughter)

JOHN: No, you’ll be fine!

KRIS: Indeed, then.

MARK: Open your eyes, I need a tan!

(Laughter)

JOHN: Yeah, that was fun! Okay, does that get me off the hook?

KRIS: For the time being.

JOHN: (Laughing) Oh, thank you!

KRIS: Are there any other questions or observations?

LORRAINE: I’ve been stewing as they say, since mid-February, my last real conversation with my son and I’ve been thinking about how difficult it’s been, the relationship, and also I was thinking of how I often feel like I’m a puppet on a string being manipulated, and I’ve done that a lot of my life, and decided I don’t want to. I don’t want to be the puppet on the string. I don’t want to be the doormat.

So….since my son just leaves me enough….sort of like leaving a carrot or a little bit of meat on a bone and I’m always grabbing for it, I thought “I’ve had enough.” So I phoned him and left a message because most of what we communicate with is through voice mail and his last message to me was a week ago and I’d been stewing even more over that message. So I just phoned and left a message and said I’m tired of all this. I’m not going to be treated or used like this any more.

You know, invitations and no responses, and his last message was “I didn’t like our conversation last time” and a few other things, and I just decided I don’t want that any more….and he said in another conversation, “Mom, I love you but I don’t trust you, but I love you, but…” and I said, “You cant love a person BUT. Either you do or you don’t, because ‘but’ erases everything before it. So I don’t even want to hear from you until you call me because you WANT to talk to me, because you love me without the ‘but.’ I’ve had enough of this yo-yoing, I’m not going to be stepped on, I’m not going to be abused, I’ve had it, and the ball is in YOUR court, call me when you wish, because I’m not phoning because I’m not going to be the scapegoat anymore….”

(Choking up) And I feel very bad. But I’m just not going to be the one that has never mattered, whether I didn’t phone or I did phone, it’s always something wrong. And I decided…well that was Thursday night. I felt awful when I hung up. Something inside me says, “You done right!” And something [else] inside me said, “Are you sure?” On Friday I really was grieving. I feel like it was a death. Grieving.

And I thought about that and I thought, “Well maybe it’s the death of a part of me that I don’t need anymore. And maybe it’s the death of that old, sick relationship that I have allowed even as a mother.” I don’t as bad today as I did Thursday, but I have been feeling that for a very long time. My question is….I don’t even know what the question is! I guess just where do I go from here? And was this best? (Sadly) The way I see it, it was suggested that maybe I’ve alienated him. He’s been alienated, so I don’t feel I’ve lost anything, but I don’t really feel I’ve had a son to lose.

KRIS: And where is the stew?

LORRAINE: (Chuckling) I guess the stew’s inside of me. I really want to let it out….which I let out a lot of it….

KRIS: Now, there are many factors involved here. First of all, you have hesitated for a very long time to set up the necessary boundaries.

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: And you then also cultivated the idea that if you did set up the boundaries, it might deprive you of the contact.

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: So you were willing to sacrifice the boundaries and its healthy expressions for the sake of a contact that constantly hurt you. Do you understand that?

LORRAINE: Very clearly.

KRIS: The fear of setting up the boundaries because it would mean an unknown also kept you back and is partially responsible for your sense of guilt. Do you also follow that?

LORRAINE: My sense of guilt? I’m not sure.

KRIS: What we mean is by putting your foot down and establishing your boundaries in these areas created an unknown, even though the known was painful. You’ve since suffered that.

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: With the boundaries now set up and the indications or the signs very clearly lit up, this presents an unknown. You know, therefore, that the contact will be minimized, as you suggested, it is in his court. As well, the boundaries mean something else to you. It means that what you know within yourself, regardless of the relationship with your son, the unknowns within you are going to rise to the surface. It simply means that you are in the process of becoming a different individual, the individual you have suppressed for many years.

LORRAINE: I believe that.

KRIS: And that represents a certain unknown and the unknown is almost always frightening in some form or another, because it represents a different element of yourself and implies that — or we should say — you do not yet know what that implies in terms of who and what you are. Who are you now going to become with the boundaries established. Do you follow?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: So the guilt is a necessary part of your own cleansing process, mainly having to do with having put up with the situation for a very long time. And do understand something: You cannot alienate anyone without their participation, and when there is alienation involved, there is always a victim and perpetrator role that is taken up. It is part of the play. You cannot have a theatrical drama with an audience, and the theatrical drama cannot have its various actors and with all of their tragedies and so on and so forth. That is part of the arrangement and the theatrical drama is never insular from the audience. Without that audience, there is no theatre. Do you understand?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: Do not overly hassle and harass yourself wondering if you have alienated him or not. It takes two to tango. Do you understand that part as well?

LORRAINE: So if I don’t worry about alienating him, if I don’t see that as a consequence, then it can’t happen because I won’t be part of it, is that right?

KRIS: What we mean is, if someone chooses to be alienated, then there is a purpose for the secondary gain of victimhood.

LORRAINE: Oh…which means that if he chooses to be alienated, then he would be the victim?

KRIS: And therefore could place the finger toward you as being the source of his victimization. Do you understand?

LORRAINE: I assume that’s been the play.

KRIS: Indeed and this works in, too: you have also experienced a certain kind of alienation – both of you bouncing this back and forth.

LORRAINE: Yeah.

KRIS: And we believe that the game is quite tiring.

LORRAINE: Well, I’m tired of playing it.

KRIS: Indeed, so it is then, a good decision that you made, to reclaim that which you have seen being slowly leached away from your personality. In some respects it is time that you did cut that umbilical cord. You may scratch it up as some kind of “tough love,” but however you label it, consider it as a reclaiming of your own personhood. And once the initial shock starts to wear off over the next few days, you WILL perceive a greater energy within you, a greater sense of well-being, as if suddenly freed from YOUR prison of your own making you can now stretch your wings, leave that mess, and ride the currents, the winds. Do you understand?

LORRAINE: Yes! At some level I knew I was doing something about Lorraine growing and letting go of something.

KRIS: Indeed! Imagine the little eagle in his nest, w-a-a-a-y high on top of the highest cliff in the canyon, afraid to look over the edge. The mother and the father eagle, worrying “When is junior going to test his wings?” Mother and father eagle, looking towards the sky, wondering if the Great Eagle in the sky will give them a hint, that junior will take the hint and leave the nest!

Now every good eagle parent knows deep down that junior will never leave the nest if he is not assisted, and if you watch eagles rearing their chicks you will see that at the onset it could be quite shocking, but they WILL kick junior out of the nest.

They know that his instincts will kick in as a creature of the sky and the winds and the winds will outstretch his wings and support him and take him higher above the horizon than he has ever dreamt of. And the moment junior stretches his wings and reaches high into the sky in his newfound power, he knows that this is what he is meant to do, even if he might have been soooo terribly afraid, now thousands of feet below him mean nothing because he is the lord of the air. Do you understand?

LORRAINE: (Chuckling) Am I junior?

KRIS: You could be junior-ette.

LORRAINE: Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

KRIS: In fact you need to thank and consider yourself. It does take courage, there is no question, but you managed to allow yourself to be kicked out of your own nested comfort zone and take a chance that you knew what you were doing. And the secret is that you followed that knowing.

LORRAINE: I did.

KRIS: Now, how high do you want to soar?

LORRAINE: I don’t want to put a limit on that.

KRIS: Indeed. Then soar as you wish. Does that address your inquiry?

LORRAINE: Oh yes, it does. It confirms deep down that I knew what it had to do with…and I feel good. I feel much better, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Do not let others dissuade you. Take WITH what you know. Do you understand that?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed then. Are there other inquiries? Any other eagles wishing to soar?

(Group chuckling)

JOANNA: I guess this eagle will take flight. First off I want to say thank you and today I feel exceptionally blessed. I’ve been having a pretty rough time but today I feel really, really blessed and I want to say thank you to the universe and everybody else.

I have two questions. The first has to do with my right hand, the wrist of my right hand….a year ago March I went to…I was supposed to have an operation. There’s something called, uh….well, to make it simpler, there’s a cyst that’s on a nerve or tendon or something that was very painful and I should have had an operation March of last year.

The doctor told me that when they operated I would not be able to use the hand for three weeks and I’d have to go under general anesthetic. And I said, “Forget it. General anesthetic? I don’t think so. Three weeks not using my right hand? I don’t think so.” And the pain went away!

The pain re-surfaced, this was almost three weeks ago. I did something that I didn’t think would affect it because what was going to happen I should have started a job using my hands – I do facials – I should have started a job using my hands come May and three weeks ago this hand started acting up and I’ve had more pain than I’ve ever had with this hand to the point that I thought I should go and cut it off, not just cut it out!

(Group chuckling)

Anyway, the pain is bad all the time but it’s not as terrible as it was. My question is am I bringing this pain on myself? Am I trying to block something or what is this pain about?

KRIS: That may be a slightly deeper issue.

JOANNA: Okay.

KRIS: However, there are several ways you can deal with the immediacy that is required here. First of all we would ask Sohars or David to show you how to utilize EFT before you leave here.

JOANNA: May I say something?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOANNA: I am on the second level of EFT so the interesting thing is I spoke to John and John asked me what did I do when I do EFT for the hand and I told him and he kind of chuckled because I had left out the most important part: “I fully accept myself.” I totally, completely left that out!

KRIS: Why do you think that is?

JOANNA: Well, I think that was part of the answer! Acceptance of self. And I did EFT on the hand, it has not really got any better, truthfully…I did another…someone suggested something else and I will get back to that, but even before speaking with John and speaking with the other person, what I found was and what I heard for myself was that I was not accepting…me! And I thought that that was very strange because I thought I was quite pleased with myself. But being pleased and accepting are two different things, so we’re back to square one.

KRIS: Indeed. Now do understand that self is a multi-layered construction. You are literally a nation of selves, cohabitating under the umbrella of your lovely ego construction. Self therefore has many aspects, some of which may indeed be in direct contradiction to some of your present concentrations, goals, desires, etc. Other aspects may also be trying to deal with issues you have not dealt with sufficiently or even properly.

JOANNA: (Laughing)

KRIS: What does the hand represent to you?

JOANNA: My livelihood!

KRIS: And what do you think of your livelihood?

JOANNA: Right now? Not much!……Duh!

(Group cracks up)

KRIS: And what other times in the past do you recall entertaining similar or even stronger opinions about your livelihood?

JOANNA: Um…..I think that where I am now is the second worst place I’ve ever been in my life. The first worst place is when I lost my babies, and this is the second worst place I’ve ever been. And I’ve always been independent, I’ve always looked after myself, for that matter, I’ve always looked after everybody else. I think that I look after everybody else before I look after me. And never been too bothered about my livelihood because I always thought I would be able to do what I could do when I want to do it.

KRIS: And somehow or other now this hand situation may very well prevent you from doing –

JOANNA: Yeah!!

KRIS: Indeed. What do you think your very first, worst situation could have done to influence other aspects of yourself?

JOANNA: Oh, all aspects of myself kind of like went down the chute…for a bit.

KRIS: And what happened in the process to what is commonly referred to as self-esteem, a sense of self-worth and so on?

JOANNA: I think I got over that after awhile.

KRIS: You got over your self-esteem? That is wonderful!

(Group laughter)

All kidding aside, your livelihood is part of your sense of self-worth.

JOANNA: Mmhm.

KRIS: And do you think it might be possible that there are relationships between big event number one and this event as well?

JOANNA: I don’t see it. It’s possible, but I don’t.

KRIS: Consciously, rationally, it might be invisible, but emotionally it might be quite evident.

JOANNA: That’s like…like….Jesus, how many years ago?…That’s not like yesterday! That’s a long time!

KRIS: It does not matter to the emotional self.

JOANNA: Oh I know…but what’s the big deal?

KRIS: We believe that at those emotional levels, understandings are quite different. The conscious mind, the rational, logical mind functions in a very nice linear fashion and it pays very little attention to the deeper ocean of feelings that exist at all times. In fact, the logical, rational mind even fears its deeper body –

JOANNA: (Breaking in) Okay! Okay…okay.

KRIS: (Persevering) Thus, allowing some of the old emotional scars –

JOANNA: (Interrupting) Yes, I’ve found the link, yes, you’re right. Thank you.

KRIS: So then, our humble suggestion is to tap on the emotional links and let those old wounds that may even have festered somewhat, let them be aired out. Do you follow?

JOANNA: I follow, and if I can just connect the dots….what happened when I lost my babies….and what happened in January….there is a connection because, although there wasn’t a death, there was a near-death. So now that you’re saying this, I see what the relevance is to the first trauma in my life – real trauma. Before that I could not see that there was any relevance. Now I clearly see what you’re saying.

KRIS: Indeed, and you may even create your set-up phrase that “even though I do not fully understand all of the emotional dots, I choose to deeply and completely accept myself.”

JOANNA: Okay.

KRIS: And just allow the words to keep coming up to you. They may not fit into the rational, logical mind – what we have referred to as little, logical boxes – however the greater, super-logical emotional mind has far more knowledge of all things concerning you and the universe and by applying a process that allows no censoring – whatever comes up, comes up – may prove more therapeutic and loving than you dare explore at the moment.

JOANNA: I thank you, because now I’m seeing through John’s um….

KRIS: Little suns.

JOANNA: (Laughing) Yeah! It’s now crystal clear! Thank you very, very much for that. I would never have thought or linked the two things at all, period.

KRIS: You have done that very nicely.

JOANNA: May I ask a second question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOANNA: Thank you. Could you tell me what is the name of my Essence?

KRIS: (Pause) We would pronounce it as Devana. D-E-V-A-N-A.

JOANNA: Thank you.

KRIS: It is merely an echo of that greater vibration that is your Self, in our interpretation. You can utilize it if you meditate and concentrate upon and tap into that greater reservoir of your being.

JOANNA: Origin?

KRIS: From this cluster – you may ask others to clarify that for you – the name itself is also an amalgam of some other focuses or expressions of Essence that you call past lives. Two in particular VERY MUCH…. strong personalities, as you are wont to be as well. One…..has a chiefdom on the island where Christopher Columbus established a colony and where the majority of the natives were decimated, not only by disease but by enslavement. You were very headstrong and protective of your people.

The main reason why the Spaniards were so interested in the natural resources is that at that time there were very abundant gold mines and your culture needed a dramatic exit from physical reality in such a manner that would also leave lessons behind. It was not a pleasant time by any means. The Spaniards, including their religious officials on such trips, were very expert at various forms of physical torture to gain compliance.

The groups of people that you helped survive for some time, went with you to the hills, to the mountains, where you would stage various clandestine attacks. You eventually perished with them in an all-out kind of civil war, but not before you had gained a full sense of the extremes involved in those situations of warfare, slave-hood and what it means to play a victim in retrospect. And you vowed to some degree, never again would you put yourself in that kind of position.

Thus, in the latter part of the 1700′s and the very early part of the 1800′s, you had another fantastic incarnation where you actually did assist American slaves to escape their enslavement. You were white and that put you in peril of sorts from those who would rather see you disappear than upset their nice applecart. But it gave you another side of the equation in such a manner that you felt in some ways it did redeem some other actions and you saw the entire idea of slavery from a different perspective, as the opportunity to give others a chance to express their own freedom.

You were a preacher and we believe that in some respects, both these personalities have left a deep impact or impression upon your psyche because you do have the capacity to at times be hot-headed, and at the same time you can quickly temper yourself with coolness of head. So you have been able to find a middle ground in this particular life. Does this make sense to you?

JOANNA: Very much, yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Does this answer your inquiries?

JOANNA: Oh yeah! More than I thought!

JOHN: That’s a gold mine there!

JOANNA: Thanks for the insights!

JOHN: (Mock petulance) I want my turn again. (Group cracks up) Just kidding!

KRIS: Do you prefer a small break?

MYRNA: My bladder does!

(Laughter)

MARK: Yes. 8:48.

(Break and Kris returns at 9:07 PM)

KRIS: Now then we trust that you have enjoyed your break. Now Joseph would like us to address an inquiry from Rosalie.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: Now Rosalie is correct when she describes the link between ourselves and Hildegard von Bingen. If you know anything about the life of this individual, she was very much of an Avant-Garde individual and very prone to mediumistic tendencies. Her mysticism tapped directly into but was also translated through her religious beliefs. But suffice it to say that we did withhold information concerning Hildegard the several times we mentioned. We were somewhat elusive.

MARK: Surprise, surprise.

KRIS: The reason is that up to that time, not everyone needed to know that we were often the source of Hildegard’s inspirations and mystical experiences. There was enough controversy at those times. Now that the controversy has settled down it is time to bring it back and we had in the past established a link in the bloodline between Rosalie’s focus and that focus’ progeny which led to Hildegard. Do you recall?

MARK: Yes, I do. Also Arindal.

KRIS: Indeed, several individuals we have known before. Now Hildegard was quite an interesting experience, as without sounding crude, but in the most fascinating experimentation in multiple focus connection, several Essences working together through the formation of one individual personality structure. Thus, her multi-faceted experiences, the depth of her journey into mysticism all translated through the venues of her time. It could not have been any other way, the times being as they were. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes. I have a question.

KRIS: Only one?

MARK: No, it’s a group thing. (Laughs) You say you were the source of her inspiration.

KRIS: One of them, yes.

MARK: One of the three that –

KRIS: Including Rosalie….and several others.

MARK: The three of you were also the source of her being?

KRIS: Indeed. This does not invalidate Hildegard’s own unique individuality.

MARK: I understand that, now looking at this from a primary, secondary, tertiary, the three had more influence than the normal primary, secondary, tertiary? It’s almost like three primaries.

KRIS: Correct. Hildegard – and there have been many others throughout your human history – but Hildegard was a unique individual, still very prominent almost a thousand years after her passing. And a deeper exploration of her mysticism will reveal many tidbits that appear in our material. And if you but look for it, you will find it, even if it is veiled in religious terminology. It can be found. This is at Rosalie’s request since Rosalie has been able to communicate directly with the one you call Jo. Now Rosalie needs to also understand a few principles. This is the very beginnings of her communications with this energy exchange, and it will change form and shape. It will grow and expand as she allows it. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So that should be understood and allowances made for this progression as the boundaries and resistances dissolve, then more openings are allowed, more information and a transformation of the material will naturally evolve and mature, as it has to. That is its nature. Do you have any other inquiries?

MARK: No. Who is the third?

KRIS: We cannot at this time. It will come out.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: We will only mention that you know the individual.

JOHN: Well that makes it fun!

(Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed! You cannot say that we are never mysterious!

Now are there any other inquiries from your lovely selves?

MARSHA: I do have one. I’m new, so I have a lot of questions but I think it would really help me if I asked the same question that Joanna asked, which was what is my Essence name and origin?

KRIS: Essence name: Or-Inna.

MARK: Spell it?

KRIS: O-R-dash I-N-N-A. Or-Inna. As to your being new, that may apply on the surface to this evening, but you are not new to any of these teachings. Even from the very first time in your life, when you came across such materials, you knew INSTANTLY that it fit into your world view, even if you did not know what a world view was, or what kind of a strange creature that could be. It resonated with parts of yourself you did not know existed, but it made them come forth into your awareness, correct?

MARSHA: Correct.

KRIS: You suddenly realized that you were more than the sum of all of your parts, physically or psychologically. It was as if you had a deep and instant knowing of these things. The trick was to let it unfold, one step at a time, much like learning a new dance. You cannot learn the new dance by learning the last steps, correct?

MARSHA: Correct.

KRIS: Even though you know that, you must begin with the first step. So you have gone on in your life knowing many of these things intuitively. You have also often struggled with applying these materials but in a manner that goes beyond the surface layers of the personality. You know that there is more to anything that is ever said, and the secret with you is that you actually enjoy delving into it, but at the same time providing a little drama and struggle along the way.

MARSHA: (Chuckling)

KRIS: So you consider yourself sometimes your best friend and sometimes your worst enemy, but all in all, you are generally quite happy with the person you have become. Is this correct?

MARSHA: Correct.

KRIS: This might not have been so ten to fifteen years ago, but now you are. You have made a certain kind of peace with even difficult past struggles and have let them go. That is why your “cleanse” works so nicely, because you have already allowed the psychological debris and toxins to be gone.

Now, as to the origins of your Essence name, you also have an interesting attraction to East Indian culture. There is something about the mysticism of ancient India that draws you almost into a trancelike state. We believe that if you were given the opportunity to enter into a trancelike state, you would have no difficulties adapting to some of the mysteries behind the Mudras (sp?), as well as some the esoteric understandings behind the dance moves often used in Indian dances. It is as if you know their meaning, though you might no longer understand the words. The words are not spoken. They are movements of body parts. Do you understand?

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: Even many of the teachers who teach those dances have forgotten, seeing them as performance moves and that they were not originally. The were originally meant to awaken deep knowledge within the observers. Do you follow?

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: Your particular resonance with India does stem from a lifetime there very long time ago in so many words. In terms of the psyche it is still occurring now, but in your terms it would be over a thousand years ago, well beyond the times of the Moslems and even the Greek invasions, which occurred almost so long that India might have forgotten.

Now, during that time, you would have been called a philosopher, a pundit, even a sage, but you were not quite like many of the others who would satisfy themselves sitting at the entrance of a cave, receiving adulation and worship and offerings from those that are less knowledgeable. In fact you often spoke out against those individuals who pretended and feigned enlightenment for secondary gain…..(Pause) We are looking for a name….

Your own teacher was quite a forceful, powerful individual in that lifetime and you took his footsteps very seriously. Your teacher was called Madhava. He established what India has called sampradaya1: a line of teachers, which had a great influence in the south of India and into Ceylon and Sri Lanka. You might benefit and even feel an affinity by searching Madhava. M-A-D-H-A-V-A.

And this may even bring some memories to your conscious mind. The point is not to become that again, but to understand. And we believe this in part is reflected in some aspects of your life when you encounter individuals who reflect what we call impersonalism. You are an individual who understands the value of humanity and you are not so ready to brush it off for some so-called higher learning. You understand that the higher learning comes from being who you are, correct?

MARSHA: Yes.

KRIS: You will find that appropriate. Do take the time then to research and investigate that particular aspect of teachings. Not to re-create them, but to awaken other passions and fires within your being. You may find this most interesting as it will add dimensions to whom and what you are. Remember that you are always more than the sum of all of your parts. The information we give is most certainly or would most certainly be objected to by those who are involved presently in those groups or cults or sects or religions. Suffice it to say that the subjective exploration is what is important from our perspective and we trust that this fulfills your inquiry.

MARSHA: It does, thank you.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:26.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps we can either take one more question or allow you to return to yourselves, return Joseph to your lovely selves…as you wish?

DAVID: Kris, to keep the momentum going, the same question as Joanna and Marsha. I do have another one, but I figured keep the momentum going.

KRIS: Indeed. Since some of the themes we rotate or revolve around powerful personalities, within your own Essence structure, are you familiar with a group called the Essene from ancient Judea and Jerusalem?

DAVID: I’ve read a little bit….over thousand years ago?

KRIS: Indeed.

DAVID: They faded away about 1800 years ago.

KRIS: They were often called the radical and even [inaudible] group. Many speculations exist about them. They were quite an ancient group with roots deeply steeped in the mysticism of Egypt, of ancient Grecian and even Buddhist teachings. Traffic in the ancient world was much more prevalent than even your historians would hint at. The evidence shows that it was an historic debate, the evidence, mainly because the evidence can be too controversial and usurp theory.

Suffice it to say that you had dealings, specifically as a Buddhist teacher within the Essene community, sharing information, knowledge, establishing protocol, practices, meditations; and we do wish to clarify that historically there appears to have been only one Buddha, the Gautama Buddha. There is a reason why he is called THE Gautama Buddha. There were other Buddhas and there are still other Buddhas.

His form of teaching became extremely prevalent, not unlike for the similar reasons Christianity as it is known today became prevalent over and above other Gnostic teachings. Your own personality was forcefully humble, extremely intelligent and prone to reaching within the individual and awakening their own inner Buddha. Does that make sense to you?

If you wish, you can easily translate the inner Buddha for the inner Christ, because Buddha is a title, as was Christ originally. It was never meant to be an individual. That was later on formulated for specific political gain. That personality has still a prevalence to it within your structure. You often viewed the world and the things within it as if it were the most precious gift ever handed to you. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: (Chuckling) No.

(Group laughter)

KRIS: We understand your conflict with the world, but underneath all that, even underneath the disappointments with the world, there is an aspect of you that views life and the world as if it were the most precious jewel ever to be held by a human being. And you lock that part of you up for fear that it will show its head. Do you understand?

DAVID: Sort of.

KRIS: You keep control over it because it might occasion you to actually fall in love with life. Do not be afraid of that part of your being. It is not out to disrupt your life, but it can enhance it. That is something you have to meditate upon. And with that then, what do you think your Essence name is?

DAVID: I never thought of it.

KRIS: We will give you an Essence name that resonates with the teachings of the Essenes. We will call you Elohim. In modern translation it is in reference to some high angelic layers, but in its original context, it was the name of an Essene teacher.

MARK: Spell it?

KRIS: E-L-O-H-I-M. Elohim. Now with that we thank you for your kind and lovely consideration. Across time and space and deep within your hearts, consider that of all things, your life is the gift that you have given yourselves, and enjoy it.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:40 PM)
ELLEN’S NOTE: A little background explanation of the teaching tradition Kris refers to here as SAMPRADAYA:

“The question of sampradaya, or the disciplic lineage of spiritual teachers, is the basis of authority for all religious and philosophical teachers and movements arising from the Vedantic traditions.

The notion of sampradaya – also called parampara, which means, literally, ‘one after another’ – is found in the fourth chapter of Bhagavad-gita. There Krishna says that he originally taught the Bhagavad-gita to the Sun god Vivasvan, who taught it in turn to Manu. Here we find the notion that sure and certain knowledge is revealed. It is transmitted through spiritual sound – sabda – which is only truly given by Krishna or his representatives in disciplic succession.

A tradition, or parampara, is meant to preserve spiritual knowledge, or truth, through successive links in a chain that carries on over the years, one generation after another. Krishna implies in the Bhagavad-gita that if and when the disciplic succession is broken, and the knowledge is consequently lost, he himself descends to re-establish it.

Philosophically you can call this ‘a descending process’ (avaroha pantha) – the knowledge comes down from Krishna, who is God and therefore perfect. The purpose of a tradition, or a genuine guru, is to preserve the original and perfect revelation intact and complete. You can’t improve on it. You can’t add to it, but rather you preserve it and teach it.”

Love (The Art of Being #2)

April 15, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 15, 2007
Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Myrna, Barbara, Lisa, Tom, Ella, Paul, Jo, Ellen, Jen, Brian, Anya and Emmy

(7:47 PM)

KRIS: Now, we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. This evening we continue with “Who Are You? Part II: The Art of Being.” Your present society, as any societies of the past and very likely any society in your futures, all utilize a variety of means to achieve very specific goals above and beyond those goals displayed, such as building your sciences, your architectures, your wonders of the world and so many others.

So there are underlying powerful factors and motivators that literally are used to thrust your societies into the varieties of manifestations as they exist, as they have always existed, as they will always continue to exist, irregardless of the manner in which they are manifested. One of those motivators is likely the most potent, the most common to individuals and quite likely the least understood of all and not that we intend to clarify the issue. It is not our place to do this.

We would rather explore the parameters of this one motivating factor in such a way that you acquire a greater sense of it in some form or another. This motivator is a simple word consisting of four letters, and it is used in all sectors of society. And we would simply enjoy your input, in a manner of speaking, on the word itself, and that word is “love.”

A simple four-letter word that indeed carries such impact that it can appear to be the salvation of an individual. It brings people together just as easily as it can repel others. We would simply enjoy hearing some of your definitions for this simple four-letter word, love. Would you be so kind?

[Mark opens the phone lines.]

MARK: The line is open.

KRIS: Thus we are simply asking if you can define this simple word in some way.

EMMY: I can try, Kris. I think love is appreciation for whatever the love is aimed at.

KRIS: Indeed…..anyone else?

BRIAN: Love would be an all-encompassing emotion that’s almost indefinable. It’s a feeling of elation, feeling-tone, a depth and sometimes maybe tough to verbalize, a beautiful feeling.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANYA: This is Anya. I just want have to remind you I cheated, because I think it was the one Brahm using? He said it was appreciation, empathy and compassion. I would also like to add the word “acceptance.”

KRIS: Indeed. Others?

PAUL: I would add: an endless, immaculate propensity towards creativity.

ELLEN: Love is a yearning for connection.

ELLA: For me this is an expanding feeling in my chest, sort of the feeling of my energies embracing everything around me.

MYRNA: I have been playing with the sense over the last couple of years that my journey here is that: I AM love, I am an expression of consciousness and…..yes, that I am love.

MARK: To steal an analogy from a dear friend of mine: Love is a giant ocean, and we as humans are but mere skipping stones. We get tossed out over it and we experience it once, twice, three times, maybe more, but in the end we end up sinking deep into the well of love.

KRIS: (Pause) Do feel free to continue….Others?

ELLEN: Love is also a….a yearning to express….a yearning for expression, as well as connection.

JEN: And the recognition of that – the recognition of the connection that you have – with yourself and with others.

KRIS: Anyone else? (Pause) Then indeed, taking all of your observations and comments into consideration, it must be agreed firstly that, even though love appears to be an intangible, all of you experience it to one degree or another, even at the physical level. Correct?

(Yes)

You recognize this intangible by the way you feel emotionally and even physically, correct?

(Yes)

So this intangible invokes responses – even physical, biological, and emotional, psychological responses – within each and every one of you to one degree or another. That is how you interpret and understand this intangible. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

Now how do you come to recognize this intangible, or feeling-tone, or sensation, or feeling and so on? How do you identify it?

ELLA: This is Ella. As I mentioned, for me, it’s a distinct feeling in my chest, and that is how I identify it.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus, everything that each of you have described is the manner in which, to one degree or another, you are able to identify this particular intangible. How do you learn to identify this feeling? How did you come to recognize and associate the particular physical expression of that feeling, or psychological expression within your being of this intangible called “love”?

JOHN: From our mother!

BRIAN: I think it’s something that makes you feel good about something.

MARK: It’s innate.

ELLA: Right, but I think we use our emotions for identifying various states.

KRIS: These are the interpreters, correct?

(Yes)

How do you, if any of you recall, how did you first come to identify this that you now call love? Whether it is love of one for the other, or love for humankind, or anything else? How did you come about to that realization?

MYRNA: I remember seeing my father’s face, and his eyes and his tone of voice….and when he spoke with me and he looked at me, and the warmth and the acceptance that I felt was the beginning for me of knowing I was loved.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus it ties in very closely with a certain kind of appreciation. A recognition of yourself.

MYRNA: I felt SEEN in that moment, yeah, appreciated for who I am. Yes…..I’ve had experiences of that same sense of being seen. It’s particularly in the eyes and the tone coming to me and also coming from me, as think about my children, my husband, some friends. It’s an opening of my heart. It’s an opening up of me.

KRIS: Indeed! Do you think, in some way, that all people respond in a similar manner to those perceptions?

(Yes)

PAUL: I think there’s two levels. One is in the universal sense, all humans experience it in a deep sense, but in a surface level sense, it’s very individual and colored by individual unique traits, but in a deep sense, every single individual has a capacity for love and I think it develops throughout a lifetime.

KRIS: Indeed and we agree with this as without such recognized feelings, the individual would not venture into physical life. There would be no incentive, as it were, no means of exploring something without the deeper sense of safety, security and belonging that come with this particular feeling state. And indeed at more superficial levels, which include all the various kinds of societal, national, cultural, ethnic variations that are outcroppings of the deeper felt tone, and these assist individuals in situating the particular interpretations and expressions within the context of their lives in one way or another.

Now, moments ago, Philip mentioned that it is also innate to everyone. Thus, the capacity to understand love in its various forms indeed is innate to the human personality structure as well that there is an even deeper innate rooted-ness and understanding that this particular energy and emotional state goes far beyond and deeper than anything, any words, any philosophies or any religions that would seek to interpret or justify or explore the particular domain of experience.

And throughout your histories indeed there may be even millions of different attempts to understand, interpret, explore this concept that you call “love.” Some will even refer to it as the divine, as that which is divine or simply as God itself. And even such an interpretation must be taken into consideration, because there are layers of that experience that necessarily go beyond and actually move the human being beyond any definitions he or she may seek to apply to that deeper felt experience, which would take it into the realm of the divine, even though that would be in some ways limited by the feeling of your understanding in that particular area.

And it is often taught that the highest love of all is divine love, but that particular interpretation may be only relevant to the particular religious body that seeks to define that expression within its limited context, that there may be other definitions indeed. We would have to correct this and say there ARE other interpretations that quite possibly may never be achieved within not only one human lifetime, but by the furthest stretches of the human experience itself, there would always be something that draws the individual beyond any definition he or she can seek to apply to that which you call love.

It does not mean, however, that one must abandon the pursuit, since it is indeed so far-reaching as to even be beyond the measure of man’s understanding. And the beauty is that within this reaching for an experience, for an understanding, one goes beyond his or her own limitations and that is, in some ways, what each of you seek, is it not?

(Yes)

That what you seek is innate to your own nature. You are, in many ways, physically and psychologically hard-wired in terms of consciousness and we would even venture to say that consciousness itself is hard-wired towards that propensity because it seeks its own greatest, deepest, highest, farthest, most meaningful expressions. And you all in some ways take on that capacity as a physical expression of consciousness.

And you do understand that this intangible may indeed be beyond all of your understandings, but it is not beyond SOME of your understandings and that may very well be exactly what you strive for. And as such you reach beyond the boundaries of your own self-imposed limitations and reach further into the very meaning of your being and whether you recognize it or not, it is what drives the very MEANING of your being, the very meaning of your life. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

Would anyone care to add to this?

PAUL: This is Paul. I just wanted to add that, according to Elias’ definition, love, of course is an emotional state that we experience in the relative world, but also according to his teaching, it’s an absolute, along with qualities such as tone, color, consciousness. This quality of love is an absolute of apparently anywhere Elias has ventured throughout All That Is and his recording about it, so much so that according to him, he considers it an absolute. In all the expressions of All That Is, you will find this quality. I think that’s a beautiful thing.

KRIS: Indeed it is and this is quite correct and you all experience because it is not only innate to your beings, but it is innate to consciousness, which is in itself to be considered the absolute absolute. Does this make sense?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed! Absolutely!

(Group chuckling)

Thus, you experience this quality, this intangible quality as best you can in your own individualistic ways, and yet for as individualistic as your expression of this quality is, it IS a universal absolute. There is not one iota of consciousness that is without this intangible quality and for all of its intangibleness, you cannot live without it. You can attempt to define it, express it, but you cannot do without it.

And even when there are times when you may feel that the love has gone, we would say that the love may not have gone as much as you may have set up a barrier or blockage to it. This does not mean, however, that it no longer exists. Just as if you were to put on a pair of sunglasses: it does not mean that the sun has disappeared. You have simply put something between yourself and the sunlight.

But the sunlight continues to shine regardless whether you have your eyes closed, you wear sunglasses, or your eyes are opened. And even if someone were to say “But what about nighttime? When night falls, does it mean sunlight no longer exists?” Indeed not! It still persists. You are simply not in a position, geographical or otherwise, to perceive it at that moment. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

Now there are times when some of you or at times all of you have experienced your own particular beliefs that SEEM to cause an area or period of darkness in your lives where the situation of love may even at times occasion what you will interpret as pain. And we are certain you are all familiar with all of those shades at any time, correct?

(Yes)

What, in your humble opinions then, may occasion such states?

MARK: Acquired beliefs?

KRIS: More tangible…..Do continue.

MYRNA: I can experience what I feel is abandonment and therefore feeling that love has been withdrawn from me.

BRIAN: When you give love and it’s not reciprocated.

KRIS: Do continue.

MYRNA: When somebody makes a choice that I would prefer they didn’t make.

MARK: I was going to say when it doesn’t meet your expected parameters. We have expectations of what we want in return or want to see in others. If it’s not up to par, or exactly, we take it as rejection or otherwise.

BRIAN: Good word, “expectation,” Mark.

KRIS: That is indeed the word we were seeking, that in your private terms, the expectations of love are never met. This occasions a unique challenge, does it not?

BRIAN: Oh yes! It’s a value judgment.

KRIS: It will also imply that you were, any of you were, possibly seeking an external confirmation to what you fear may be lack of love within yourself, whether it appears to be taken away, withdrawn, stolen, or otherwise. Thus those meet the criteria for your personal beliefs, acquired beliefs, in that capacity. Even though the world may then well demonstrate an unlimited, unfathomable and infinite capacity to sustain you with loving abandon yet you are able to withdraw yourself from that infinite capacity and act as if there is no more. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And how many of you may have experienced such withdrawings even from early on in life and still carry this with you today, the perception that there is a lack of love in your life in some way, shape or form?

ELLEN: (Chuckling) Present!

BRIAN: Actually Kris, before the adventures in practices, with the backpack exercise I would say yes, but since appreciating myself and doing the adventures, I’d say no, because I found out it was me seeking me – it was the real love – I externalized it.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: I feel I recognize very often a lack of love of self, in some areas, not in all areas, but sometimes I get confronted with that again. Every time I think I love myself a lot, sometimes things pop up that clearly demonstrate to me that I really don’t love myself as much as I should.

MARK: I would have to say that even though I feel that I’m in one of the better places in my lifetime right now, as far as loving myself, I still express and experience – I send myself little reminders here and there – that I could do more.

KRIS: There may very well be peaks and valleys of reflections on this at various times and during various stages of your life, and what we are aiming for with this discussion is to bring about a fuller, richer and deeper recognition that indeed there can never be such a state of lack, whether it be of love or anything else in your life, except those occasions where you have created a fortress-like wall or shield concerning some of your life experiences in regards to its infinite capacity, deeply embedded within the constitution of consciousness itself.

This is part of the very psychology of All That Is in all of its forms. You experience it through your human expression as best you can, because your very lives are dependent upon this constitution of consciousness. It is part and parcel of what we have described a short while back in Sanskrit terms as “Sat Chid Ananda Vigraha.” Do you recall that?

(Yes)

MARK: Infinite wisdom, knowledge and bliss.

KRIS: That is also deeply embedded within the very fabric of consciousness, the very non-physical tissue of consciousness. And you are woven from this tissue, so it stands to reason that it is part and parcel of the very fiber of your being. There is not one molecule of your form, whether energetic or physical, where this tissue cannot be found. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

And what do you suppose is the matter or the stuff that composes those fortress-like walls or shields to the deeper experiences of your being?

PAUL: I think it’s our sense of separateness from the divine Source…and the contraction from that at times, that makes us feel separate.

KRIS: Indeed and what is the cause of that sense of separateness?

ELLA: Our belief?

PAUL: I would agree. There are certainly beliefs involved in that belief of separateness. And that serves perhaps as the sunglasses you were talking about earlier that shade out the light, and yet that love, that divine love, higher love, is still present, ever present, omnipresent, and yet we shade it through those beliefs and fear, anxiety, low self-esteem, scarcity, doubt…

KRIS: The very first item on the list is the prime cause: FEAR. It is indeed such an insidious experience that when it overwhelms the individual, it occasions the beginnings of this fortress building. FEAR. And as you grow and keep adding to the fear in one way or another, fear of being hurt, fear of being left behind, fear of being ignored, fear of not being appreciated.

MYRNA: Fear of not being good enough.

KRIS: ALL OF THESE and hundreds more! You start knitting and laying the bricks of this fortress in such a way that you believe it protects you, but in truth augments your fear of pain and separation. For in truth you are not truly separated from whatever you call Essence — All That Is, consciousness, or otherwise — you cannot be separated, but your particular fears, especially fear of being hurt and rejected, truly literally damage your perceptions, create intense filters and because of the very nature of physical reality, which is to confirm whatever it is that you believe, then you establish a reality that seems to indicate that yes, life IS fearful, love is to be considered carefully, love can be a painful experience.

Even to such concepts as “without pain, you cannot feel joy, without sorrow you cannot feel happiness, without hurt you cannot feel love, without rejection, you cannot feel loving,” and so on and so forth, and these are abstracted, even distortions, that become commonplace within the social structures upon which you base your interpretations of those states of living in such a manner that eventually, for many people, love can become a very surface-like experience, and to some, even the kind of experience that must be shunned, that must be avoided, unless of course it is strictly controlled, which of course brings a bitter taste to the experience. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:36

KRIS: Indeed. Do understand that underneath all of your varieties of painful experiences, what ever they are, beneath the fear, the pain, the hurt, there are your expectations of course, but beneath this as well is a literal, infinite capacity to tap into this veritable ocean of love, and the more you are afraid of it, the more you keep it at bay. And of course, the more you do that, the more you must also recognize it in order to keep it that way.

So we suggest, before we pause, that you ponder, think about, the veritable, infinite loving capacity of your being. And when we return, perhaps we will suggest a very nice practice that may assist you to put aside some of your own fears and inhibitions in this way so that you may tap into the greater state of your own being. So we suggest a small break.

(A small break is taken and then the session resumes.)

KRIS: Now we are happy that you have had some discussions. It allows you to explore that much more what we have said earlier and what your own feedback on that matter is.

MARK: Okay, the question is, since love is innate, and fear is human-based emotion, where does that fear come from?

KRIS: Fear is acquired, as are many of your beliefs. From very early on, even for many, fear may start in the womb. The fetus may quite powerfully sense how he or she is desired, how he or she is wanted, expected, anticipated with love and joy. Does that make sense so far?

(Yes)

MARK: That would make it part of the chosen experiment, would it not?

KRIS: Yes, but it does not mean that once you start an experiment that you are destined to stay with it your life long.

MARK: Understood.

KRIS: And some young individuals may begin the process of acquired fears and relevant structures from a very early stage, even after leaving the womb. Thus the fetus or the infant begins already to infer certain understandings about the physical world to interpret through his or her young feelings what the world may be about and how to open up or close up to it. Is it a safe place or not?

We spoke about this some short while ago as well. And there the foundations for specific acquired beliefs begin. The blueprints for that particular expression may very well be set at a very early stage. There are hundreds and thousands of different perceptions that can be added to this for certain, but we want you all to know that it is possible and practical and even desirable to apply some modifications to those very early perceptions and thus begin an alteration or an alternative blueprint that can lead to a very different perception and interpretation of your life as you view it now. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

It is important to understand that it is within your abilities to make those transformations a reality and to make the ensuing reality a welcome transformation to your being and how you display your being in this reality. And that is one of the beautiful capacities of consciousness, the capacity for transformation from one state to another.

That is also innate to consciousness, the transformation of energy from one state to another, and this applies to the various states of your lives within the context of your one life, your one present life. And this is one of the great tools or resources available to you, that you have the power and ability to make those kinds of transformations. Were it not possible, then many of you would likely never be able to make it past the front door. Does that make sense? Many of you would never come out of the womb!

(Group laughter)

Now that certainly would be a difficult experience! And many of you, not only those present this evening, but many others may indeed discover, perhaps even to your dismay, that this was the case with you, that your feelings of insecurity, whatever they are, can in some ways be reflections of initial fears of not wanting to leave the womb, because you have already sensed physical reality might be an unsafe, insecure place. And overall, you may indeed have chosen those kinds of states of experiences, knowing that you have the capacity to transform those states of energy experiences. And this is, then, an answer to your call, to your inquiry. You can understand that it is safe to leave the womb now, whether it is 20 or 40 or 50 years later. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And you need not worry. We will not whack you!

(Laughter)

Many of you even beyond this evening, were greeted into the world — how? How were you greeted into the world?

MARK: A good old smack on the behind.

KRIS: Any of you out there in telephone-land? How were you greeted into the world?

ELLA: I just wanted to tell you, I don’t know how I was greeted, I presume like everybody else, but I feel often in a session like yours, that you whack us on the behind pretty hard also, so we wake up and it doesn’t feel bad. Whack away!

KRIS: We are gentle whackers!

(Laughter)

ELLA: Very gentle. Very inspiring.

KRIS: Now then, if you would all be so kind as to oblige us for this next practice, all you need do is sit comfortably, legs comfortable, feet on the ground, as best as possible your backs supported….. And as many of you are familiar with this process, begin a series of very nice gentle, deep and relaxing breaths…. inhaling deeply and with every exhalation, feel yourselves, allow yourselves to relax deeper and deeper….. whether your eyes are closed or open, allow your shoulders to relax so as all tensions are simply released like rain falling off a roof, all tensions running off your backs and shoulders, your deep breathing relaxing you more and more. Deeper and deeper still.

And allow the gentle sensation of relaxation to spread throughout the entire body from the backs and shoulders to the chest, down the arms, all the way down to the very fingertips and all the way down the body to the lower back and abdomen….all the way down, all tension just running off your bodies like so much rain off a roof. All the way down the legs, down towards the knees… the calves… down to the shins, the ankles….over and under the feet, all the way to the toes. All tension just dripping away, leaving you so that your relaxation can be deeper and more profound than you have ever allowed it to be.

And whilst you are relaxing deeper and deeper and paying attention to the sound of our voice so that you hear all the words, notice, pay attention to the gentle, rhythmic beating of your heart…. And as you pay attention to the rhythmic beating of your heart, we will count from one to ten…. and each number from one to ten representing a step on stairs. And once we reach ten, you will find yourselves in a very safe, secure place.

Now, with your hand on the handrail, we begin down the stairs…. one…. two, deeper still…. three and four….. and just pause a moment on the fourth step and just sense for your witness or observer self, that part of you that watches you, that looks at your experience of reality and comments upon it…. Invite that part of yourself to come join you down the stairs, to be with you, by your side down each step with you…. Very good, very nice.

Now continue, five…. six…deeper yet…seven…. eight, very deep now. Nine and ten. At the very bottom of the stairs, very safe and very secure, listening to the sound of our voice, feeling good about yourself in every way. And from that nice safe and secure place, we invite you to follow us down another short flight of stairs. At the bottom of this short flight of stairs there is a beautiful balcony. It can be a balcony you’ve always wanted to be on, whether like in a great old opera house or a Spanish villa or a castle or whatever.

But let us go down this short flight of stairs. From one to five now. One, two, three, four and five. Very nice and deeply relaxed, more so than before. More so than ever before. And feel free now, to step onto this balcony. And we invite you to look at a series of events that pertain to your life that you can watch from the balcony as if you are watching perhaps days, each depicting various times in your life… and know that from your balcony you can even invite whatever it is that you determine is your Essence, your Greater Self, your Oversoul, to be by your side on the balcony.

And with the presence of your Essence by your side, allow one scene from your life that may have held for you some emotional pain or challenge of some kind and observe the goings-on in this scene, looking at it from above as it were, from the balcony onto whatever stage this scene is playing out. Perhaps there are people involved or situations, and you can recognize thus a past self of yours from this lifetime engaged in a scenario where you feel some degree of hurt or pain.

And we suggest that you ask your Essence or higher Self to assist you in directing loving energies, security, a sense of well-being, comfort, appreciation, however you determine and identify it. And ask your Essence to assist you in directing this healing salve or ointment of love to the self involved in the scenario on the stage. If you so desire you may even freeze the scene you are watching from the balcony and direct those loving, soothing, healing energies to the scene below.

And if the scene below was perhaps dark, imagine or pretend that with the directing of your healing energies, it may become now, light, vibrant, healing, and let that energy infuse and completely be absorbed. And if you have frozen the frame, unfreeze it now, un-pause it, and observe whatever transformations might have occurred there for you, as the scene unfolds now and you are watching from the balcony. And after a moment allow that scene to go its own way, to evolve and transform as it now has the power to.

And invite another scene from your present life and observe it from the balcony. Look at some of the details, observe the people and yourself included. And this time, ask Essence or inner or Higher Self to begin assisting you in tapping into an even greater reservoir of healing and loving energies, a reservoir of infinite capacity, and that the energy, the infinite loving energy begins to pour into you as you are standing on the balcony. And it goes through your heart and a beam of loving heart energy flows from this ocean of infinite capacity right through your heart and into the scene so that it becomes transformed, that any pain, hurt, or otherwise becomes transformed, that an understanding comes from it, that an evolution is the outcome, a transformation is the result.

And all within the scenario of (inaudible) of the energy going through your heart. And allow that scene also to continue its own way and its own transformations. Return again to the balcony with your self, present and Higher Self, and now invite and ask your Essence or Higher Self to assist you in reaching out deep into memory, even if consciously you do not remember any details, reach out into your infancy, into your birth and even beyond your birth to the womb. And regardless of the thoughts that may have been expressed about you and towards you in the very early stages of your infancy or even the stages within the womb and ask your Essence or Higher Self to once again tap deep into that infinite reservoir of universal loving energy, into the very fabric of your being.

Let that loving energy well up within you, filling you to the very brim until it begins to flow over even. And this time, instead of directing energies from the balcony, ask your Essence or Higher Self to magically transport you to those scenes so that in some form or another, tangibly or semi-tangibly, the loving energy that saturates and over-saturates your being and flows and is your being, and you in that loving energy form can reach out to the very young child or infant and embrace them with the energy, caress them with the energy, even infuse them with the energy, reaching deep into the body of the infant, into its mind, into your infant mind, even into the fetus in the womb, reaching its form, reaching your unborn form, reaching deep, deep within the energy idea, reaching deep, deep now, even into the energy idea before you had a form.

And with great loving gentleness, tenderness and intent, you illuminate, saturate, infuse the being that you are with deep heartfelt energy, assisting the infant or the unborn child in understanding that there may be times when there is a tendency to interpret life and living as something to be afraid of, something that may hurt, but beneath those interpretations there is something greater still than all of the fears, all of the worries and concerns and that is a deep-rooted, loving energy that stems from the universe itself.

Surround the infant or the unborn you, with light and loving energy as best you can share it from the depth of your heart, inviting the infant, born or unborn, to view life from a greater perspective, from a deep, loving position and allow the warmth of that loving exchange to soothe any thoughts the child born or unborn may have. And invite the child, born or unborn, to envision with you a bright, loving, adventurous life.

And from your position, imagine or pretend with the child, born or unborn, how this perspective makes life a completely different adventure, that though it may still have challenges, there are many loving tools and resources and a loving attitude to support it. And as that child grows into its future, its life is continuously transformed so that the transformation reaches even you today, in this here and now, and a deep, loving connection is established, enhancing a feeling of security, of safety, of strength, knowing that from now on you have the ability to connect with other aspects of your life in such a manner that surely your tomorrows are just as filled with safety, with love, with strength, and that life becomes the wonderful loving playground that it is meant to be.

And gently now, take leave of the idea of the born or unborn child, ask your Essence or Higher Self now to take you back, back towards the balcony and allow the scenes to go into love, to be supported in love. And now, thank your Essence, your Higher Self for its assistance, its loving support, and head back now towards the bottom of the first small staircase.

And we will begin going up that small staircase….five, four, three, two, one….heading towards once again that safe, secure place at the bottom of that larger staircase, bringing with you deeply embedded into you the experiences you have lived, feeling good about yourselves in every way possible, feeling refreshed, loved and secure. Now with your hand on the handrail, we begin to go back to the top of that staircase. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, and one.

Again, (inaudible) yourselves in every which way and in a moment we will count to three and at three you can open your eyes, fully and completely awake and focused into the room that you are in. Three, allow all sensations to return to the body as normal…two, you may wiggle fingers and toes….take a deep breath now, and one… open your eyes, fully awake and conscious, aware into the room and know that at any time you can simply give yourselves that loving and securing feeling regardless of situations. You can even do so at least once a day, in any way you see fit. And now we leave you for a nice, little break.

MARK: 9:34.

(Break and Kris returns at 9:41)

KRIS: Now it is important to remember that this kind of practice can be utilized when you sense the need for it, and it is well within your own capacity to tap into the greater reservoir of unlimited love for any situation you deem important enough. And the very fact that you ARE is important enough. We are convinced that it is impossible to remind you sufficiently of this, that the very fact that you are is important enough. Do you understand?

(Yes)

Thus, whatever scenario you have created that may entice you to interpret life as sometimes fearful, frightening, painful or otherwise, we urge you then to reconsider the thoughts and the beliefs you are about to instill into life and consider instead that there are alternatives, other ways to interpret and view your experience that you may not yet considered and in doing so, you are likely to instill a new behavior, which means that you would be suspending the old behavior.

Stop the behavior and you begin to change the reality. And the more and more you do this, the easier it becomes for you to quickly realize within the context of your human experience that life truly is what you make of it, that you are not fated or destined to behave in a specific manner, or to respond or react in a specific way, because you have a choice. We have mentioned this many times and we are likely to mention it many more times: that you have a choice, your behavior is not solely determined by the beliefs that you hold, but by your choice in holding onto a specific belief or sets of beliefs. So this changes the equation, does it not?

(Yes)

If you could CHOOSE then, to act differently about anything, imagine how you could choose to behave mentally, psychologically, physically, in a manner that is advantageous, in a manner that brings you direct fulfillment, where you can live life to the fullest instead of by default. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

Thus, in all loving sweetness and with loving embrace even, we desire for YOU sweet dreams and sweet days that reveal your abilities to transform your lives in a manner that reflects the powerful abilities of your love. And with that, we send you then to your lovely dreams and to your sweet selves. And we wish you all a pleasant evening and we thank you for your consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

Detailed Roll Call:

Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and Barbara
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Jen (Alma), and Brian (El-Don)
California: Paul (Janaki) and Jo (Rosalie)
Salt Lake: Anya (Greensleeves)
Spain: Emmy (Atin Khun)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauramar)
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)

Sophos and Logos

April 8, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 08, 2007
Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene), John (Sohars) and Lorraine (Saggan)

(Session begins at approximately 7:50 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration, sandwiches and all. Now what kind of creation did you engage during the week?

MYRNA: I created a conversation with my husband where I felt heard.

KRIS: And how did you manage that?

MYRNA: I have made a promise to myself this year that I’m not going to hide. I’m going to seek the truth in terms of what’s going on for me…but…saying it with a lot more ease than I had before. In other words, I’m not trying to ram it down anyone’s throat or throw it at them and I don’t have a lot of aggression in my words. I still worry that it’s hard to hear me when I say things in this voice, but I’ve been saying them truthfully.

KRIS: Indeed, we will return to that in a moment. First of all, it might become obvious to any of you that it is not one or two or perhaps three things that you managed to create during the week. You might consider that firstly you created the entire week, ALL of it in every minute detail, from waking up every morning to brushing your teeth, throughout the entire day’s activities, to brushing your teeth at night and then retiring AND engaging in a variety of dreams whilst your bodies were pre-occupied with sleep states.

And you did this every day. And during the day you engaged an entire spectrum of actions, all again based upon various factors such as emotional states, intellectualizations, rationalizations, feeling-tones, belief structures, and an entire host of other items. So all together you did manage quite wonderfully as is evidenced by your being here! It also means you managed to survive the entire week in one piece. Does that make sense to you?

ALL: (Chuckling) Yes.

KRIS: Indeed! Thus, if we ask you now what you managed to create during the week, what would your answer be?

MARK: How much time do you have?

(Laughter)

KRIS: From our end it is –

LORRAINE: Endless!

KRIS: Indeed. However, WE understand that YOU have issues with time.

LORRAINE: I had a dream…and I wasn’t sure it was a dream, but having spoken to a few friends, they think it was. In order to describe it as it happened, I woke up and knew I was sleeping. It was 1:30 at night, my door was closed, it was dark. And in the corner, far right corner of my bed and standing on the floor was the clearest man, dressed in a suit and a blue trench coat, no hat, and looking at me.

I don’t know if his hands were down at his sides, or in his pockets…and he was looking at me and I sat up and screamed. And after I screamed, there was like a white outline around him and he disappeared. I realized I thought he was there in my room as an energy and I was wide awake. A couple of friends said, “No, you were dreaming and then woke up.”

One thought I had was, “I always wondered if I was really frightened, would I scream or would I just have my mouth open with no sound?” Well, I screamed! (Laughs) Instantly! Good news, for whatever that meant! But I was so uneasy, because I didn’t know what that figure meant, or who it was or was it a visitor or was it a positive thing…a whole lot of thought, so I lay in bed thinking about that and then just filled the room with white light and frightened as I was, I went to sleep.

The next night, well, I didn’t want to go to bed! And this has never happened to me, because I always understood, years and years ago when I had a lot of trauma, I kept seeing a shadow person appear, and one night I woke up and the shadow was actually leaning over me and when I woke up he disappeared….and I thought of it as a “he”…..and I thought of that one as watching over me….that seemed benevolent from the start. This one scared the hell out of me and I’d like to know more about what this was about.

KRIS: It is highly interesting that so many individuals do want to experience things out of the ordinary, do want to experience so-called “supernatural” events, some almost crave these kinds of situations, but when they do occur it frightens the bejeezus out of you! So we are certain there is some kind of irony involved here.

Be it as it is for you and your experience…..you have read and discussed many times with others about experiences entertained by your inner Self and for the longest time it remained at the philosophical and intellectual levels, but when the situation was presented to you in such a manner that your inner Self actually engaged a situation where you could recognize it in some way, you shut down, so to speak. Do you follow?

LORRAINE: I’m not sure about shutting down. I know my initial response, thinking he was REALLY there –

KRIS: Indeed he was!

LORRAINE: He was so clear!

MYRNA: Did you hear anything?

LORRAINE: Yes.

MYRNA: What did he say? Maybe he was really there, did you hear him?

LORRAINE: You mean a real person like you standing there? Oh, I’m not sure…But let me finish…My first thought was that someone has come to rob me, standing there near the dresser….you know, Kris, everything happened so quickly, the thoughts just went snap, snap!

KRIS: Indeed.

LORRAINE: And as soon as I filtered my first thought, it was fear. I’m surprised in some ways that it was fear, and in other ways I’m not.

KRIS: It is quite a natural reaction, especially since in order to be perceived by your physical senses the energy had to interpret itself in a manner which could be detected by your physical senses, not merely by your psychological senses.

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: That in itself triggered your fear centers. It is not an unusual reaction at all. What we are saying is that your inner Self found a way to actually reach you in terms and references you are familiar with, without necessarily taking you completely out of body. But the first or initial contacts were done out of body, in an out of body state. That is where you perceived the inner Self first.

LORRAINE: I don’t understand.

KRIS: You have physical senses, you have inner, or psychological senses. These latter operate when you are not focused within the body… Out of body experiences. That is where you first perceived and began to translate the energy of your inner Self, your Essence, if you wish. And you kept transposing that energy into the physical realm through your own physical senses. So what you perceived at the very last second was an imprint, an interpretation of the energy pattern.

LORRAINE: When I perceived it initially, was I out of body?

KRIS: Indeed, in a very deep dream state. Completely out of body and you continued the perceptions into the physical experience, however brief it was.

LORRAINE: So I was out of body and came into my body and….

KRIS: You still perceived the energy but in a manner that your physical senses could also interpret it, so it had the appearance of a humanoid, but in actuality it is not based on physical energy.

LORRAINE: So what did that represent about me? What was I experiencing about myself?

KRIS: Perhaps the question is too literal. That is not to say that it is not a good question, but its scope has to be broadened. Perhaps interpreting it in a slightly different manner, such as the broader scope of your Self’s experiences above and beyond your normal everyday activities. What is it that you do when you are not focused in the body? What kind of experiences do you engage outside the physical form? What do you do in your dreams?

And there are varying degrees of dreams, and that you will find most interesting. The experience with the inner Self occurred at deep layers and you did wish to bring back a snapshot, a souvenir, a mental souvenir of your journey, of your experiences in that wider form. You gave it an interpretation that is all. Ultimately the inner Self does not have the shape that you perceived. Do you follow?

LORRAINE: I perceived it up until your last statement.

KRIS: Your inner Self does not look like what you saw.

LORRAINE: Oh, my inner Self does not look like….I figured that I’d gone from…

KRIS: That is correct. That is YOUR interpretation.

LORRAINE: Which is my inner Self?

KRIS: It is your interpretation of the inner Self.

LORRAINE: Oh, so….does that mean that at the physical or mental level I interpreted that figure as something that frightened me.

KRIS: Indeed, especially when you subconsciously recognized that now you have read and discussed these things for some time and suddenly this is no longer in the realm of discussions or philosophizing but is an actual experience. This changes the paradigms of your thoughts about reality, even if you did not consciously recognize this, and it would be quite understandable if you did not. The conscious mind does not like to have the rules changed!

LORRAINE: (Laughing) Yes!

KRIS: But ever so slightly it must also comply. The conscious mind has the most peculiar habit in that it resists change with all its might and all its power and yet, the self only grows, learns and experiences WHEN there is change and transformation. So this means that the self lives in that state we described some time ago, in the tensions between what it opposes and what it allows. It opposes change, but it can only grow when it allows change. So you, in some way, experienced this from your own perspective and its implications will be gently felt by you as time goes on.

LORRAINE: So, I’m changing.

KRIS: Indeed!

LORRAINE: Instead of just thinking about it consciously I’m going….the change is at a much deeper level…and its action, not just thought…

KRIS: Thought by itself is indeed highly entertaining, though for some it could also be very boring. However, thought fueled by intense desire, intent, direction, motivation and a host of other factors can then catapult the entire personality into incredible transformations, but in and of itself, the thought is merely an entertaining consideration.

LORRAINE: So, does that mean that that is a sign or a signal to me that I AM going through a transformation?

KRIS: Indeed. As best you could give it to yourself without too much resistance.

LORRAINE: (Chuckling) Right!

KRIS: So you did organize this in a nice way. A little quickening of the heart, raising of the pulse, a little scream of astonishment, and at the same time, the undeniable recognition that this is no longer fantasy. This “stuff” is REAL! Do you follow that long round of detours?

LORRAINE: Yeah….it was, for me, at the intellectual…you know, the sight, when I first saw the figure, I was impressed by the clarity, the detail….the person seemed elegant!

MARK: What you might want to do is start journaling your dreams.

LORRAINE: It’s the first time that I really started remembering them…That was amazing!

MARK: You’d be surprised….even if you write down “I remember having a dream,” and that’s all, once you start doing that and continue with that thread you’ll start to remember more and it’s amazing what you’ll discover about yourself.

LORRAINE: Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed.

LORRAINE: That was very, very helpful and also….comforting.

KRIS: You do realize that no harm can ever come to you since you are the creator of your situations.

LORRAINE: I’m the creator of my situations….although I can create situations that result in no harm coming to me, am I not also capable of – not just Lorraine, but – capable of creating situations where harm will come to me?

KRIS: That is correct. You have to recognize what you want. We did say, some time back, if ever we had to give any morals, it would only be one thing: Do no harm. It may seem simple. It is only three words: do no harm, but its implications are far-reaching. First and foremost, do no harm to yourself, thus you will never do harm to others. But if you do harm to others, it is also implied directly that you are harming yourself.

LORRAINE: And if I am coming from a safe place and follow “do not harm,” then I am safe.

KRIS: Indeed. What would be the complement of “Do no harm”?

LORRAINE: The complement?

KRIS: You could even say it’s opposite. It’s complement.

MARK: Do good! Do wonderful things. Do joy.

LORRAINE: Oh, do no harm. Do good.

KRIS: Do yourself good. We sometimes hesitate to utilize that word. It is our understanding that in some sectors it can be damnable as well. However, its complement would be “Do YOURSELF good things.”

LORRAINE: Okay, I’m taking that whole experience as “do good.”

KRIS: Indeed. (To Myrna) And what say you, oh great sandwich goddess?

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: (Laughing) Why are you asking?

KRIS: You are free to not answer on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment, but you would have to be living in the USA!

MYRNA: Um….

KRIS: Let us say we are asking for the sheer joy of hearing your reply!

MYRNA: (Pause) I don’t have anything to say specifically about your discussion with Lorraine. I am seeking in…..as wanting to understand more of the dream state, so I’m….I don’t know. I’m listening.

KRIS: Indeed, we did not specifically refer to any discussion we had previous.

MYRNA: Oh!

KRIS: But simply for the joy of hearing YOUR voice. When was the last time someone asked you that?

MYRNA: (Pause) Oh, you’re sneaky! (Group Laughter) You are very sneaky!

KRIS: As the expression would go, we would take that to mean we are one lucky bastard!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: Um…. (Pause) I cannot remember being asked that question, as you asked it.

KRIS: Indeed. Sneakier yet, you have to see our endearing challenge to you for this coming week is to create opportunities where various individuals would request that, in some form or another. And where you are happy to be given the opportunity to share your joyous voice, even if you have to invent them through visualizations, meditations or otherwise. Even if you have to collar someone and pin them against the wall and tell them that you intend them to be the lucky recipient of your joyous voice! And see what results are manifest. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Hmm….I was about to ask you a question and then I answered it….because my question was, “Why are you asking this of me?” and what I got was some words that my husband Ken uttered yesterday which I had not expected to hear. I…..I did not realize… (Pause, then forcefully)… I love when you say my “joyous voice”! I don’t quite get that yet, but….I do have a lot of joy in life and I don’t live it! (Chuckling)That’s what just came up. I don’t live from that place.

KRIS: And why?

MYRNA: Because mostly I don’t look forward to life, other than there is one occasion where I can find myself feeling joyful….two occasions: One is coming here and having a conversation here with you. The other is meeting John on a weekly basis where I don’t have to pretend to be anything! I’m just like….me. Everything else, I feel…I know I created this, by the way…l feel as if I’ve created straitjackets for myself. And I said that last night to Ken, and he actually heard me. So maybe, I’m ready to listen. Maybe I’m reaching a stage in my life…

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Yes…where I’m feeling pretty good about who I am and what I know, thank you everybody here and thank me….and there are very few places just yet, but that will change, especially if I ask this question “wouldn’t it be nice if?” There are yet to be many places that I can fully express.

KRIS: Then perhaps you can entice your lovely self to create more and more of those moments until you can string them together into a lovely necklace of sorts, the kind of necklace that will adorn the entire self. Do you recall a time when you were young, before you were “straightened up”?

MYRNA: Barely.

KRIS: Subconsciously, or intuitively, you know there was a time, even if you were very young.

MYRNA: I do.

KRIS: Our humble advice would be to assist that energy, if you wish, to reach out more and more into its future across time and space to reach your reality in such a way that you can broaden its scope of influence so that its experiences enhance your life today.

MYRNA: (Pause) I’m sorry, I got stuck a little bit….that time where I was joyful, before I got “straightened up” ?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: You’re suggesting I reach across time and space into its future?

KRIS: Into its time.

MYRNA: Oh, into its time.

KRIS: And then, ever so lovingly coax it to reach out to its future, which is YOURS.

MYRNA: Yeah, got it.

KRIS: And there influence your experiences.

MYRNA: Yeah….what’s coming up for me now is I did not realize how scared I have been. I….I’ve almost given up.

KRIS: We are aware of that. Why do you think it appears as if we have been the harshest on you? Why do we call you out, sometimes more than the others? Not because you have been so afraid, but because we recognize that there is indeed a most brave soul. It may come down to the question of exactly what is the glass, half-filled or half-empty? It is the same glass, but from our perspective, you are indeed a most brave individual. You have broken many barriers and there are folks here who also recognize that and simply bide their time until you recognize it as well. (Long pause) Thus we hope that you forgive our ways.

MYRNA: (Choked up) Of course.

KRIS: And do also forgive YOUR ways.

MYRNA: That…that part’s harder. No, it’s not true….that’s not true. I’ve done a lot of work.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I’ve done a lot of work. (Painfully) I just didn’t realize how close I’d come to giving up.

KRIS: We are all here most thankful you did not. Otherwise someone here would have to contact a medium to get a hold of you!

(Group chuckling)

Now do you wish a small break?

(Yes)

Indeed then. Enjoy yourselves.

MARK: 8:27 PM.

(Kris returns at 8:37 PM)

KRIS: Now then, we are glad that you are recuperating. (To John) And what say YOU?

JOHN: I’m feeling pretty good, pretty good. When you said, “What did you create last week?” which was your opening question –

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Well apart from “in all,” I created something very nice which we’ve had the benefit of having chatted a little bit on Friday night, but this is so nice that I’m just going to say it again. What I created last week was my experience of working in a job in an office and I had been quite concerned, but I discovered about halfway through the week that far from finding it something I couldn’t do or intolerable, I was actually enjoying myself (Chuckling) at work!

And when I got home, I actually gave myself a hug and told myself how proud I was of myself. I did that! I did! Feels good! But, what I was happy about was not just the fact that this job was okay, but the fact that I recognized that I created the job to be okay and that I can create next week something even more fun! So that’s where I’m at: feeling good!

KRIS: Indeed and what would that tell you then, about the author of that play?

JOHN: The author of the play who created that scenario?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: He….well, this is the piece that has really come through for me strongly.

KRIS: Let us put it in another way.

JOHN: Please do.

KRIS: You are sleuthing around, trying to get a handle on the mind of an individual and of course the best way to do that, to get to know an individual, is to examine what that individual does, the things that he or she does, the events and conditions and circumstances that he or she creates. Correct?

JOHN: You are absolutely correct, but it’s especially revealing to put that person that you want to know more about and understand better in a little bit challenging, a little bit new, a little bit unfamiliar circumstances and watch what they do.

KRIS: And what have you thus, oh great Holmes, concluded about your suspect?

JOHN: The suspect turns out to be….honestly, a little bit hysterical going in — (Group laughs) A little bit of a baby, a little bit of a whiny little scaredy-cat going in, but by golly, when he gets there and the going gets tough, he performs! Not just performs, doesn’t just get by, but he excels with untapped depth there! As a matter of fact, we are planning, perhaps some further challenges because I don’t think we’ve reached the limit of what can be discovered here.

KRIS: That is correct, and what else would you conclude about an individual who offers situations, conditions and events that are actually to his liking?

JOHN: Wonderfully selfish in a very positive way!

KRIS: Indeed! It might even indicate that this individual is, after all this time, proving to himself that he is quite capable of a loving attitude.

JOHN: Yes! Yes, this is the subtext that is thrilling me, is how, when I allow it and relax into it, how really sweet and gentle and kind and nurturing I am to myself.

KRIS: That would also indicate, in examining sub-subtexts, that such an individual actually has a love of life.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Even when an individual recognizes that on the one hand they might have assumed that they feared life, that they can also display a great amount of bravery because life can and is a loving state, just as (To Mark) YOU can demonstrate to yourself that there are experiences slightly beyond the official line of consciousness and that self truly can be loving. Would you agree?

MARK: Oh, most definitely!

KRIS: Indeed as you would, being the last target!

(Group cracks up laughing)

MYRNA: Your turn, Mark.

MARK: I’ve created, actually, a week to be very proud of. I’ve had some challenges, as I always do, but I overcame quite quite nicely and looking back, I’m very proud of the way I handled them, but I’ve also been expanding and reaching out in my dreams, and even in my wanderings during the day I’ve been reaching out to Sophia and Philip and coming back with some very beautiful imagery, but it was only tonight during the session that I realized [something].

The other day when I went over to my accountant’s to drop off my tax information – and I was early so I was taking my time – my original thought pattern was of Sophia and then I got side-tracked because there was a lot of open houses and for sale signs as I was walking through the neighborhoods and I saw this beautiful red cardinal, my first cardinal of the year.

And as you know, to Joseph (Serge), the cardinal represents almost a confirmation of something very positive and it was outside of a house that some people were moving out of and I thought “Well, it’s not logical that that house is going to be mine, or that I’m about to move into some place” or whatever, but it was like, “Well, what does that mean?” and tonight I realized it wasn’t about the house, it was about Sophia. It was a beautiful representation of Sophia and her energies, and it was very profound.

KRIS: The imagery that you described is far more profound than you surmised. Now, the Sophia is an ancient word also related to “Logos.” Do you wish to pull out the dictionary?

MARK: (Chuckling and going for the dictionary) I guess I do!

LORRAINE: What is Sophia?

KRIS: It is an ancient word, or name for “wisdom.” Sophos, in ancient Greek.

MARK: (Riffling through the dictionary pages) I’m looking for “logos.”

KRIS: (Spelling) L-O-G-O-S.

MARK: “An identifying statement; a motto.” Oh, logos: “The Greek word, ‘speech’”…..oh here, “Divine wisdom manifested in creation; Government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity; Reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe.”

LORRAINE: Reason?

KRIS: In the second line it identified reason and wisdom, correct?

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: And that is what interests us. Logos is another aspect of Sophos, Sophia; wisdom, the original meaning of reason, not in the manner in which it has now become considered, the world of facts and details. These are only information. It has little to do with wisdom and as we have critiqued at some point in the past, your present society seems obsessed with filling itself with information and as much detail with information as humanly possible.

And in some respects, this is a clear indication of the advancements of your technologies; there is no question, but the technologies themselves cannot make you wise. Mere reason and fact and information cannot make you wise. There is an entirely different stratum of reason into the realm of wisdom: Logos, Sophia.

And we pointed this out particularly because ancient Gnostic teachings and principles were first and foremost based upon Logos and Sophia, simply two sides of the coin. And it was considered then, that this was the lifeblood of the universe and the original ritual of sharing wine and bread, which is now considered a sacrament in Christian churches, is the more modern interpretation of a more ancient ritual, dating even beyond the Gnostics themselves into the court of Dionysis, who was a pre-cursor, model, to the Christian church’s mythos and many others, even beyond the vintages of time. But, the lifeblood of existence was considered to be Logos and Sophos.

The cardinal, when you saw it, triggered those ancient memories. Remember what we described to you a few days before?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Though you may not have had the means to interpret the depth of those meanings for you, you can be assured that there are many other treasure chests of wisdom, in fact, in all of you. Be it as it is, Logos and Sophos, or Sophia, are expressions and indeed direct aspects of Essence. And you are expressions of Essence.

So these constitutional properties of Essence are yours as well. The only thing is that your present culture replaces wisdom with information, thinking that it should be sufficient to get you by. And indeed, many people today can tell you what color lipstick Paris has, but very little else. And yet, would anyone take the time, the few moments needed, anyone can indeed tap into those larger reservoirs of knowledge, true knowledge and wisdom, deep within their hearts.

And for some it may indeed be a frightening experience because that is what this means for you and your experience: the fact that there is something powerful, meaningful, exhilarating beyond the boundaries of the official line of consciousness. Nowadays your scientists and researchers seem confident to tell you that everything about your life, your memories, your feelings, your joys, your sadnesses, are merely the results of chemical mixes and genetic information, and nothing else drives you.

Yet, if any researcher or scientist were to take the same proteins, aminos, and all chemical compounds found in the human body and put it together in a test tube, even to firing it with bolts of electricity would still not get a human being. So you are something beyond your own chemical compounds. But do not tell your researchers yet. Let them discover that on their own. There is a certain kind of joy in that kind of discovery. Do you have any questions or comments or observations?

LORRAINE: Yes. Does our own unique process of thinking and finding solutions….. the process of thinking, individually….. to me that seems to fit with what you said, I’m not quite sure how, but to me the intelligence, the idea of wisdom, the idea of information and the process of thinking that each one of us has as individual is slightly different than any one of us is here… to honor that and allow that with our feelings and our depths in our subconscious. Is that part of what you were talking about?

KRIS: It is, as you have pointed out, a subtext. It is none too subtle. Thus, to make it simpler and in line with Friday evening’s discussion: Be grateful, not only for the things that you have in your life and the people that you know and love, but also be grateful for the individuality that you express, for the uniqueness that you express.

LORRAINE: So be grateful for who we are.

KRIS: Indeed. But that should be an inclusive “who we are.” Not only the pretty side you may show to the public, but also for those more somber sides that you do utilize to try and work out your issues. Would you agree?

MARK: (Chuckling) I take it that’s a yes.

KRIS: All in all, be dearly grateful for simply being yourselves. And if you have no other questions or comments, we will leave you to enjoy exactly who you are. (Pause) Then indeed, have a most pleasant week and as we suggested earlier, not only to Shara-Leene, but to all of you, enjoy creating opportunities to have your joyous and lovely voices heard. And with that, we thank you for your consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(9:08 PM Kris returns to talk more about Sophia)

KRIS: Now before you get overly confused….

(Laughter)

We actually began speaking about this quite some time back, but under different names. You two even made a beautiful Power Point presentation.

MYRNA: That is why I asked about the Sisters.

KRIS: And we have always placed emphasis on Harmony and Balance as the foremost. We could also say that Harmony and Balance are both Sophos and Logos. Without those two, the rest are much more difficult to access and comprehend. They are foundational. So whether you refer to them as Harmony and Balance, or Balance and Harmony, or Sophia and Logos, wisdom and reason, you are speaking about the same aspects. Does that make sense now?

JOHN: Yes, it does.

MYRNA: Um…however, I haven’t yet listened to the radio sessions, however, from my friend John, I understand that one of the points you were making was that our beliefs….if there’s a thousand focal personalities, there’s a thousand, a million beliefs influencing us and….I don’t find that information, Kris, to help me with Harmony and Balance. I’m sorry, I feel overwhelmed when I hear that. I don’t know how I’m supposed to work with that information to create harmony and balance in my life.

KRIS: Does the captain of the sailboat spend his time worrying about all of the waves lapping at his hull?

MYRNA: No.

KRIS: The captain straightens his sail into the wind to be carried to his destination, correct?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Do you worry about all of the beliefs that you have excepting those that are the object of your attention at that moment?

MYRNA: I wasn’t until I heard John tell me what you were talking about.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I wasn’t worrying about them at all. I thought I was doing pretty well.

KRIS: And indeed you are. The captain IS also aware of all of the waves lapping at his hull, but they are not necessarily his concern. They are there, he acknowledges them, since the waves also assist in carrying his ship with the wind.

MYRNA: Oh, I get it. It’s a broader perspective.

KRIS: Correct. That also means that if captain wishes, he can modify the angle of his sail and take advantage both of the wind and the waves lapping at his hull and increase the acceleration. Thus he does not see the waves as an impediment.

MYRNA: No, I hear that. What occurred to me as you said that is that at some point at a later date, whether it’s at the Lotus Mind workshop or not, I would like to go to an exercise where I experience that.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I experience the thousand voices or the thousand waves in a way that helps me set my course, perhaps more easily.

KRIS: Indeed that can be arranged. All you need is a yacht!

MYRNA: (Smiling) I’ll make sure I bring one.

MARK: Interestingly enough, in sailing and boating, one turns your bow straight into the waves. You don’t want to be broadsided by the waves, you want to face them head on and charge into them. Using that analogy, I think that’s wonderful.

KRIS: Anything else would simply slow down the ship. So the captain is an expert in both wind and wave and that is what the captain relies on: wisdom and reason, Sophos and Logos. In other words, in conjunction with “is the glass half-full or half-empty,” does the idea of knowing that there might be hundreds, if not thousands of aspects each with their relevant systems of beliefs and convictions, necessarily something that boggles you down, or could it also imply that Self is much larger than you anticipated acknowledging, AND how, as captain of your ship, how to take advantage of that momentum and energy to create even more fulfilling and satisfying outcome? That is the question.

MYRNA: Yes. Correct.

KRIS: And that is where the mind’s treasure is. It is much more satisfying to discover that your mind is filled with treasures than with monkeys.

LORRAINE: Monkeys?

KRIS: We refer to them as “mind-monkeys,” the constant natter and chatter in the mind that is a direct product of worrisome information that your cultures are often feeding you, or that you are feeding yourselves for that matter.

LORRAINE: Is that chatter irrelevant, or is it just that there is so much?

KRIS: There is an overwhelming abundance of information that SEEMS to provide value.

MARK: The old adage goes: Quality, not quantity.

KRIS: Indeed. Quantity does not mean quality. Thus, discover the treasures that are in your minds. And with that we leave you to a wonderful treasure hunt.

ALL: Thank you.

(Session ends at 9:16 PM)

Kris Radio: Half Full or Half Empty?

April 6, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 06, 2007
MARK: Good evening and welcome to the Kris Chronicles radio, I’m your co-host, Mark Bukator and I’m here with…

JOHN: And I’m John Hawkins, very happy to be back with all of you people out there in radio land, and of course, it wouldn’t be a party if we didn’t have…

SERGE: I don’t know, who?

(Laughter)

SERGE: Little ol’ me? Anyway so we’re here on Friday, once again.

MARK: Good Friday.

SERGE: Yup, yes it is a good one. Cold, though. We have a few little announcements, I guess to make before we go on.

MARK: I’d like to start by welcoming Lisa to the transcription team. Lisa has volunteered to start typing up these radio show transcripts and we will be putting them online starting with the newest, being the last show and the one before that and working backwards.

JOHN: That’s such a good idea! If I may just add a comment because as a guy who’s really trying to make some sense and document the Kris Chronicles, there was that big gaping hole in what we had available to us, and because of some very important stuff has been coming out on these radio shows.

MARK: I love having the audio and being able to listen but I also love being able to go back and reference.

JOHN: Well you can’t search the audio for a phrase.

MARK: Exactly, hard to pull those quotes.

SERGE: It is a little harder, yeah.

(Group chuckling)

MARK: Also, I just wanna remind people (of) the Lotus Mind workshop that’s coming up in June, the price goes up at the end of the month. Right now we are (at) the early bird price. It’s $160 and that’s for the two day workshop. The price goes up to $180 US beginning of May.

SERGE: And we also have a couple of other smaller workshops in the works, one of them is on April the 21st and it’s with hypnosis. As you know I’m a certified hypnotherapist and we’re gonna be using some very avant-garde and latest cutting edge hypnosis techniques to assist people in discovering their own past lives.

And on May the 5th, which is another Saturday, there’s another little hypnosis relaxation workshop and on June the 29th… I know it’s a little bit ahead but it’ll come by very quickly… we’re gonna be holding an evening on Thursday the 29th of June from six to nine PM at Wonderworks bookstore on Harbord. 98A Harbord I believe it is, (actually it’s 79A) on dreams and the dream goddess Eiduuru that Kris talked about some time back. So this should also be very interesting and that’s all folks!

MARK: (chuckling) So while we’re sitting here waiting for Kris to make his appearance, one of our listeners commented that it might be a very good idea to explain to some of our new listeners what channeling is, and I went to newworldview.com and I did a search and I found a nice little quote here: “channeling is an important element of post-modern religious and spiritual practices. It is a three thousand plus year old recorded transition in which people speak in inspired states and deliver useful information geared toward cultural needs. We explore information of high integrity, consistency and practical application, including the Seth material channeled by Jane Roberts, the Elias material channeled by Mary Ennis, and the Kris Material channeled by Serge Grandbois,” and that’s Serge here.

There are all different types of channeling, everything from Edgar Cayce style which is a considered ‘sleeping’ channeling, which is: somebody would have to sit there and using (a) meditation put him into a trance and also bring him out. The channeling here is interactive. Serge doesn’t need any meditations or any chants or anything to put him under, just Kris rings the doorbell and boom!

SERGE: Just as a little side note here, our sidebar to our conversation about channeling. (I) Remember watching… this is a few years back now… remember watching a documentary on some ancient practices in Tibet and this had to do with the ancient Bon religion which predates Buddhism in Tibet and there are still many practices of the Bon traditions alive in Tibet, even as of today.

I don’t know if this particular practice is still performed but it was at the time of this documentary which I believe was filmed perhaps in the ‘40′s or maybe even earlier but when there are or were very important state decisions to make, the king would consult with the deities and they would express themselves through a specific medium which could easily be referred to as a channeler in a way and they had a particular test to make certain that there was no fraud involved because the deity would either confirm and support or not, the decisions that were being looked at and considered. So what the medium would have to don is a one hundred pound hat or crown and if his trance was true his neck would not snap.

MARK: Let’s try it!

(Laughter all around)

SERGE: (jokingly) Maybe that’s what the pain in my neck is. But it’s very interesting that this kind of stuff has been around for very, very long time and very old shaman traditions as well as many others all over the ancient world.

MARK: And I think it’s very important to note that it’s not a deity per se that’s coming through, but these are aspects of Self, aspects of the whole Self, the greater Self. Anybody want to add to that?

JOHN: I’m just wondering where you get a hundred pound hat.

(Chuckling)

SERGE: A lot of chicken feathers.

JOHN: Well let’s just remember in this moment we have… what the last Kris radio show was about, which was… what did we end up calling it? ‘Psychic trauma and health’?

MARK: Yes, or ‘and illness’, I believe.

JOHN: ‘And illness’. Actually health is better, really. (Chuckling)

MARK: Yeah, I agree, now that you mention it.

JOHN: Yes, and it was very interesting because Kris pointed out that some of our… some of the sort of watered down versions of conscious creation where it’s all about beliefs and if you believe it, then it’s gonna happen and if you don’t believe it, it’s not gonna happen. These are…it’s a little more complicated than that.

MARK: It’s a way of censoring and not actually delving deep into the complexities of the issues that are causing these illnesses or dis-eases and there are… it is an extremely complex issue and sometimes it’s just shrugged off (as) “oh it’s beliefs”, and unfortunately that often prevents people from actually… I don’t know… going deeper and solving some of their issues.

JOHN: Yeah, I mean it is beliefs, it’s not beliefs…

MARK: Agreed.

JOHN: But the question is, why do we adhere to those particular beliefs? Which is another kettle of fish!

MARK: Oh big time!

(Pause)

KRIS: And you do realize that if you are going to catch a kettle of fish you need the early bird to get you the best worms possible. Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

JOHN: Welcome, Kris.

KRIS: As you were discussing but moments before, though it is important to recognize the role of beliefs: your own convictions as a major factor in the elements of your reality creation, it also becomes more and more important to recognize what kinds of beliefs that you adhere or support or maintain or subscribe to and even taking into consideration that you are many in One.

What kind of beliefs do your various aspects entertain? What kind of beliefs does the inner child, the inner youth, the inner adolescent hold within you? What kinds of beliefs does the inner senior hold within you even though you may feel you are far from being considered a senior? In certain terms this may still apply and be considered as a factor in your reality creation mechanism. Do you follow?

(Yes)

KRIS: There is much talk over the last twenty odd years about healing the inner child, healing the memories and so on and so forth and these are valid because you still retain psychological imprint and the life of the child you pursued and any other stages of your own physical and psychological developments. And the over-all personality structure does act very much in an integral fashion, not unlike mother hen gathering her chicks under her wings. In a fashion, a personality structure creates an envelope and even, if you wish, a bridge to all of those various aspects and they all contain their own impressions, their own perspectives and belief structures which are also integrated into the overall personality that you are convinced is you. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yeah, very much.

JOHN: Broadens the field quite a bit.

KRIS: Indeed. You are composite beings in a manner of speaking, created by your own ideas and all of these various aspects of your personality still maintain a potent influence. You may indeed wonder why you would look at an adult who suddenly behaves like a five year-old or perhaps a twelve year-old throwing tantrums or acting like a teen-ager in full rebellion more, even though this individual is an adult. And these are related to the various beliefs of these aspects of the personality that may never have been properly recognized and dealt with, thus a hefty dose of triple A and a glass of water will most certainly provide a remedy of sorts. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

JOHN: Absolutely.

MARK: And for the radio audience, triple A is acknowledging, addressing and accepting.

KRIS: There is much information on the website that you can easily access. You have created (to Mark) an easily accessible directory, did you not?

MARK: Yes, it’s called ‘the toolbox’ available at the Kris chronicles website and on newworldview.com.

KRIS: Thus it can be a rather simple task of recognizing by your own behavior what kinds of beliefs are fueling a behavior and as we suggested a small while back, an easy approach is to recognize the behavior and begin immediately to alter or change the behavior that is problematic as it will lead to the beliefs that occasion and trigger the behavior.

So these belief structures, part of and an in-depth integrated component of the overall personality structure can easily be weeded out when there is need to. And other beliefs can also easily be augmented when there is need to, when it is beneficial to the overall personality. The study of aspect psychology can be greatly useful for all concerned. Do you have any questions on this subject?

MARK: I have a comment. I particularly find this very useful because for years, often decades, people have been going about, trying to identify (and) find the beliefs behind their challenges, be it medical or non, and sometimes those just aren’t readily available. But here we have a method of changing the behavior that causes the lack of joy or the outcome that we don’t desire and we can modify this and which will lead us to the belief or not but we can so alter the situation without knowing that belief.

KRIS: Indeed. And altering the behavior will bring about a deeper recognition of the beliefs involved. Not that beliefs are culprits or somehow rather involved in underhanded dealings like criminals in hiding. On the contrary, these are specific thoughts, patterns, energy imprints if you wish, that you have instilled within the personality.

Your outlooks, perspectives and so on are all factors creating a kind of model of the universe – YOUR universe and you view and thus react to situations through that model. So it can be useful to recognize this simple approach both in terms of transforming or even eliminating behaviors that are self-destructive or sabotaging, as well as noticing behaviors that can easily be reinforced as a stabilizing and enriching factor in the individual’s own life. And even though beliefs that fuel the behavior might not be immediately available in the full sense of the understanding, a primary attempt, an approach can be that an understanding of the way you pattern your thoughts in itself can assist.

There are many people for instance who do convince themselves day in and day out they do not understand their behavior and beliefs behind the behavior but they do not know their beliefs. The behavior itself can easily trigger an understanding of the beliefs. You may for instance be the kind of person who rants and raves about great injustices done you or others, feeling powerless to do anything about those supposed injustices. You may even feel a great deal of anger and resentment both towards situations and yourself for the kinds of feelings you may attribute to outside contributing factors without realizing that you hold specific view or beliefs or models that fashion your perceptions of reality in such a manner that that is all that you perceive.

And in order to acquaint you perhaps better with the concept, we are certain that some of you have heard at some point in time and in your life, the analogy of the glass that is half filled with water. Now is that glass half filled? Or half empty?

It may seem that whether it is half filled or half empty, it is quite the same. The sameness does not bother the glass, nor the water, but whether you perceive it as half empty or half filled can be VERY insightful into your own nature. Do you tend to see things as half filled or half empty? And the more you focus on say, the glass being half empty the more you will continue focusing on ‘lack of’. Perhaps there is lack of abundance in your life. Perhaps you notice there is a lack of love in your life. Perhaps there is a lack of work in your life. Perhaps there is a lack of support and appreciation. Lack, lack, lack of. We believe that makes the point fairly clear.

JOHN: Yeah, I would agree.

KRIS: On the other hand there can be someone else who sees the glass as…

JOHN: Half full!

KRIS: Correct, meaning and implying that it is to be filled soon, correct?

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: And what else could that individual perceive in his or her life?

JOHN: They could perceive that even though presently they may not have all the abundance that they want, that that glass is filling up too!

MARK: There’s more to come.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: There’s more where that came from.

KRIS: And that is the entire point of this small perspective, thus what kind of perspective do YOU hold? And it would seem to the one who concentrates on the glass being half empty and lack of that this is the state of things. We would urge you then to keep in mind that the more you concentrate on that, and the more you assure yourself that this is the case, the more your life will be half empty of everything you desire for the simple fact that when you decide on a perception, your unconscious or subconscious mind, even your inner Self may not like to see you being made into a liar therefore it will gracefully, graciously fulfill your desires.

Thus you will keep encountering situations that confirm your beliefs. If you take the opposite of this: that the glass is being filled. More and more is on its way. There is abundance aplenty for all things in your life including the fundamentals of happiness, appreciation, gratefulness THEN utilizing the same motivations, fuel, power, energies your subconscious and inner Self will seek to confirm the beliefs that you hold. The principle is the same. The perspectives are different, thus reality as you experience it is the confirmation of what you believe. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does and it also goes… to expand a little, our behavior changes once our perspective changes. If we believe that glass is half empty we’re going to behave in such a manner.

KRIS: You are in some respects unable to act differently. You act in accordance, ways of your belief structures, whatever they are.

JOHN: Yes, as a matter of fact… makes me think about why it’s so powerful for us to change, to deliberately change the behavior and that that highlights the belief. I was thinking about the example of somebody who always wears rubber boots when they go out in the rain. If you change that behavior and (John coughs and can’t continue)

MARK: Okay Kris, take it away. (Chuckling)

JOHN: If you change that behavior and say: “you know what, it’s raining but I’m not gonna put my rubbers on, I’m gonna just go out”. You will immediately present yourself with why you had been putting your rubbers on. “Oh my god I can’t do that, I’ll catch my death of cold and ruin my shoes!”

MARK: And spend the rest of your day complaining about your wet soggy feet.

JOHN: So changing the behavior immediately triggers a conscious understanding of what the beliefs were that were influencing the other behavior.

KRIS: Indeed, and what kind of behaviors is occasioning the coughing?

JOHN: A very good question which I’m afraid I can’t answer because I (clears throat)… yes, I’m not sure Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: A very good question.

KRIS: Now: though this is a simple approach we would even dare say it is as simple as the triple A method which should indicate to you that it is MULTI-LAYERED. This approach appears simplistic until you begin using it and digging deeper and deeper, revealing to yourselves those layers of belief structures that you have built up on. Just as archaeologists are digging up layers and layers of civilizations upon civilizations. So do you then construct your own personal multi-layered civilizations of yourself? Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes. I’m finding it very important to realize to pay attention to so much of Self because as I’m discovering the multifaceted, multi-layered, multi-aspect Self… that I have a lot of conflicting beliefs and they play a huge factor in my well-being.

KRIS: Indeed, and this is another point to be considered in line with those various kinds of beliefs that you have accumulated depending upon your stage of life. If for some reason you have not dealt with situations of your youth where perhaps you needed attention, perhaps felt unappreciated, uninvolved in the life of your family in some way, perhaps where you developed anger and ten, twenty or forty years later you are attempting to instill a new stage of your life in situations that may trigger reactions from the youth… the structure of the youth within you… you will very likely encounter amazing opposition.

Perhaps not even recognizing where it stems from [or] perhaps even claiming that outside agencies are somehow rather involved in preventing you from attaining your own goals. Perhaps it makes you angry even today and looking at the anger as it were, for what it is: a communication that you have unresolved issues, you may very well begin by modifying the behavior and FOLLOWING the bread crumb trail of this anger to its source which would correlate to the beliefs you entertained, perhaps as this youth who has unresolved anger issues and thus very nicely triple A and clear up the situation so that you are congruent in your goals. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do. (John confirms as well)

KRIS: We have utilized this analogy in the past: consider the big ship leaving the harbor. All of these big ships need tugboats, often two in the front and two in the back. But if the two in the front pull and the two in the back decide to pull in the opposite direction, you eventually are going to arrive at a standstill, unable to move in either direction. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

KRIS: Now if your tugboats all join together and head in the same direction, then ship can leave harbor very nicely without any incidences or delays. That is what it means to be congruent. To be in alignment with your whole Self, but your whole Self will not suddenly align with your ideas if you are full of incongruencies, inner battles, unresolved issues until you actually do the work. That is: clearing up your incongruencies so that together you can head towards your goals. You could even say this is another aspect of something we presented some time back in terms of ‘the other is you’. In that those aspects are also you and they too will start cropping up in your reality so that you can properly acknowledge, address and accept the situations. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, absolutely.

MARK: Definitely.

KRIS: Thus once you even catch a small glimpse of the complexity of Self and its riches, your own experiences can only lead you to an enriched life. Now what is the time?

MARK: 7:40 (PM)

KRIS: Indeed then we suggest a small break.

JOHN: Okay.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: And we’re back! What a great conversation.

JOHN: Oh you mean during the break?

MARK: (laughing) No, prior to the break.

JOHN: Yes, very interesting stuff about how we need to get ourselves congruent and some good practical advice about how to get there.

MARK: Kris’ conversation really stirred a lot in me. I had a conflicted childhood, cause on one hand I had an ideal childhood: loving parents and encouragement… you know we had a pool and a nice community and you know…. but I was also beaten silly by my brother… beaten constantly… sent to the hospital like thirteen, fourteen times for stitches or this, that and the other thing and that wasn’t dealt with, and I find I’m still… as an adult… dealing with that today and that’s part of my rage and a lot of my conflicting beliefs that still play a role in my challenges.

JOHN: Yes, the thought that occurred to me about what Kris was discussing was… you’ll remember that he mentioned that an unresolved issue… from just as you’re describing from your childhood may be getting in the way of something that you want to accomplish today as an adult. The question I had was: Are the majority of the incongruencies that we need to address from our experiences in this focal awareness? Or are there some that are related to a much wider level of experience perhaps shared amongst several.

MARK: Right, because the ego does cross and transcends multi lifetimes. It’s a good point. What is that percentage rate?

JOHN: Well, we’re going to be joined momentarily by Kris perhaps with a comment.

MARK: Oops. (Mark hit his microphone)

KRIS: Your question about percentages may not be as accurate as you would desire. It is perhaps strictly from the literal and analytical perspective and may serve very little in terms of what actually is occurring. The situation may be different for every individual. Some more involved with resolving issues that are also concomitant with your ideas of other lifetimes. You could consider for example as you well know that all of these lifetimes are occurring in the now and simultaneously. Do you follow?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: You could even consider the possibility that as you understand there is one Self. You are one Self with multiple faces, multiple expressions, each dealing with slices of a larger theme. Each intended to bring fulfillment to the entire individuality. Each parceled off in such a manner, that each one expression can deal with certain aspects of an overall issue. Some spread over many lifetimes. Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, it does. And yet each focal has access to the whole.

KRIS: That is also correct. As your own private belief structures will serve as an important factor in structuring your experiences and those experiences will then be confirmed in your private reality. Your world will reflect all of these things as best as possible. So you have in certain respects that divine creator aspect and you also have another aspect of yourself that automatically proves whatever it is that you believe.

It is indeed a powerful loop. And those experiences that are no longer pleasant or suitable for you can indeed be transformed, can indeed be changed for more suitable ones. Not by a process of hack, slash and eliminate but indeed by process of careful observation: what we have described as the triple A. That process enables the individual to recognize deeper themes and issues in his or her life. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes, that’s good. Thank you very much.

KRIS: Thus, in order to address Philip’s…

MARK: That would be me.

KRIS: Observation, there might be some very appropriate and simple steps that you can pursue. Think of the glass analogy we used earlier.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Is it half full or half empty? Certain aspects of your own personality may indeed consider it to be half empty, whilst others consider it to be half full.

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: You might desire to increase your focus or concentration or attention on the half full. This would involve a simple process of gratefulness and you can implement it in such a fashion as follows:

Take some time, perhaps a few moments during the day and focus upon the things you are grateful for. It does not need to be a long extenuated and intense list that goes on and on for pages and pages. A few things will suffice. Hold these instances, these events in your mind. Focus upon those… in particular the feelings generated in you because every psychological state you bring up would generate a feeling in the body, and any feeling in the body will also generate psychological and emotional responses. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Thus, pay attention to those events or situations… people… whatever it is you focus upon for which you are grateful, including yourself. And after a few moments you may let go of the exercise and look about you in the world, in your world and notice what occurs. You may even desire to hold on to the feelings generated by the exercise in gratefulness and begin to interpret the experiences of the day through that focus and see what unfolds from then on. Do you follow so far?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: And for good measure, on another day, begin to focus on the half-empty glass and look at situations in your life where this is also reflected. Whether from infancy, youth or otherwise, see the changes and transformations and feelings generated in the body from those perceptions and emotions, and after a few minutes, let it go and observe what you see in your reality. Do you follow?

MARK: Oh yes, very much so.

KRIS: You may recognize quite rapidly that you have a preference. And somehow rather we believe that you will side with the half full glass – at least it is our perception.

MARK: I think you’re correct. I’ve been spending a lot of my life so far concentrating on the half empty and I know the difference. I can feel the difference in my bones, in my body.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what do you do once you have established very concretely – as far as you are concerned, which perception or perspective you wish to hold on to?

MARK: I would change my behavior in order to change the perception.

KRIS: Indeed. And start introducing your gratefulness into the other arena or field if you wish, and at the same time, you can easily begin to address some of these issues with EFT.

MARK: Emotional Freedom Technique, yes.

KRIS: Indeed. To bring about the beginnings of a resolution with those belief structures that are incongruent with what you want. And we believe it is important to recognize what it is that you want as opposed to what you do not want. What you do not want is fixated solely in lack.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: From that point on, recognize utilizing Triple ‘A’ or any other method, those variables that you wish to bring resolution or to resolution. Keep yourself firmly planted in the half full glass. That would be or would compromise nothing in your life but it would enhance your experiences and from experiences you learn many things.

MARK: Oh yes.

KRIS: So it is a point of departure. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: We have spoken in the past of appreciation. Gratefulness is also another powerful mind frame but it does give you a powerful position from which to affect change and transformation in your life. These: appreciation, gratefulness amplify your sense of a meaningful life, thus can be utilized as a potent tool to continue achieving those goals that you’ve set for yourselves. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes. (John confirms as well)

KRIS: Do you have questions on this issue?

MARK: No, I think that was pretty straightforward and clear.

KRIS: The main point is to immediately stop any thought patterns, any considerations that you are powerless or unable or do not know how (unintelligible word) understand how you can bring transformation to those issues that are unresolved within you. The more you concentrate on not understanding of, not knowing of, not following through, of not having the abilities or the power or the intent, the more that is reflected in your behavior. Correct?

MARK: Yes. (John confirms as well)

KRIS: And what say you? (to John)

JOHN: I’m…. yes, thank you very much. I guess the best thing for me really to offer, is my experience of this last week when you’ll recall perhaps our discussion on the Sunday evening before I went into my first full day of work, when I had butterflies in my stomach.

Now by using the methods that you’ve been discussing, I was able to transform what was initially in my mind a pretty difficult, challenging work situation into one where about midweek… I worked all week this week… around midweek I was sitting at home thinking about what I’d done that day, and I suddenly realized, like a thunderclap that I really enjoy my job. I like going in to work and this is a complete, a hundred and eighty degree change from where I was and I’m the guy who made that change.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: My glass was half empty and now it’s overflowing!

KRIS: And in that light what would you say you are grateful for?

JOHN: I’m grateful for the fact that… I guess what I’m really grateful for is the fact that I am. I appreciate myself for unfolding this to me in a way that while it might look kind of scary, from some points of view, when I get out and do it and apply what I’m learning, it turns around and becomes really very sweet. So I’m grateful to myself and the advantage or the benefit that I’ve realized is how… how very loving and kind I am to myself.

KRIS: Indeed. For those who are convinced that the world is filled with big bad wolves, may suddenly recognize that the wolf is truly nothing more than the prettiest puppy, but your fears have amplified it to such a degree that it becomes monstrous. The world becomes a place to avoid and the more you fear the world, the more fearsome it becomes and yet the world is in its way completely benign. The world does not do anything to you, as much as you do to yourself what you do. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh absolutely, I’m living proof of that. And the kicker for me, though… I mean I understand that my own internal attitudes and perspectives are then reflected and confirmed by my experience in the outside world, that’s great stuff! Absolutely. Very empowering.

KRIS: That is the whole purpose. The world itself empowers the individual by the fact that it is not out to get you but merely reflects those convictions that you hold. It confirms very nicely and one hundred percent who and what you are.

JOHN: The part that I found quite moving though… was given all that… that the challenges that I face, the fears, the wolves that I see are all actually a very, very loving, thoughtful and absolutely personalized… and perfectly configured gifts and opportunities that I, in my larger sense have provided to myself here. And so that however spooky and creepy it may look from my physical perspective, my looking out through my physical eyes, to understand that really it’s a grand game, and that behind that game is me with loving intent.

MARK: Agreed. Even throughout my life and my challenges, I’ve had such a survivor instinct… great strength I tend to always draw upon. Sometimes I don’t know where they come from, but they always come through and what I’m finding now, at this time in my life is that there’s just a lot of energy. There’s a lot of things that I’ve put in that backpack that need to come out that I’ve just… it’s ready to pull them out, but they’ve all been rewarding in their own way.

JOHN: Actually, you know it’s funny, Mark, but as you were talking about your backpack and how it was time to take some stuff out, earlier over dinner you were talking about some pains in your back.

MARK: (chuckling) So true.

JOHN: Just putting two and two together there.

MARK: Agreed.

KRIS: Indeed now, may we ask what the time is?

MARK: Five after eight.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps you might like to open the lines to those who would call.

MARK: Okay (Mark explains the procedure for calling) and we ask that you’ve been listening to the show and are aware of the topic at hand.

KRIS: Indeed it would be most useful, if you do call to advertise or plug in your own productions that you allow US to be plugged into your productions. Now we would also like to suggest that next radio session be a call in show.

MARK: Great, an open mike so to speak.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: So once again the number to call is 416-204-9723 and the line is open.

KRIS: In the meantime, how do you perceive your abilities, your potential to examine those areas of your life that you may already have concluded are in need of an update?

MARK: Abilities? Oh I definitely have the ability. Sometimes it’s the desire that’s lacking, um, fear.

KRIS: And why would that be?

MARK: Fear.

KRIS: Why would that be?

MARK: Fear of the unknown.

KRIS: Why would that be?

MARK: Cause I’m in a comfort zone… to an extent.

KRIS: And why would that be?

MARK: I don’t know.

KRIS: Even though an individual may harbor much inner pain it is still considered part of Self and Self does not necessarily like to part with its parts as it were.

MARK: But we can assign them new tasks.

KRIS: You can change the programming, definitely. And part of that programming in need of transformation is that the present state can also become a powerful situation, an empowering situation. Even though some of the conditions and memories may even be detrimental, many individuals would simply hold on to it because it is considered a loss if you do not.

MARK: It’s part of whom and what I am.

KRIS: Indeed. So there is no need to lop it off, but there may be a need to embrace it into a new situation that is what we addressed earlier. Transform it. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, very much, in fact NLP, Neuro-linguistic programming is very good for that

KRIS: Indeed, as you can also utilize EFT in a very similar manner. Approach is different but the goal is the same.

MARK: Because I think it needs to be noted that these aspects of Self have been working for the greater benefit of the Self, not against the Self and that they should be appreciated even if that role is no longer desired or needed, correct?

KRIS: At the time some behavior may have been indeed seen as protective – safeguarding the individual even if it proves detrimental in the long run. When that behavior or that programming is not recognized but still functions, then you have the incongruencies. Thus transforming the old behavior into something new will easily free up the energy and the structure. Do you agree?

MARK: Yes, I do. Yes, I understand that.

KRIS: And what say you, oh quiet one? (To John)

JOHN: (chuckling) Well I was just pondering as you were saying… that operating with a lot of incongruencies as you were saying… it frees up energy to triple A them, address them, embrace them back into… what did you say? Embrace them into a new structure or situation. What that suggests to me is that it’s actually much more easy… much, much easier and effortless and efficient to act in a congruent way.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Cause you don’t have to…

KRIS: You do not have to compartmentalize your energies and often spend inordinate amounts of that energy in inner conflict.

JOHN: A-ha. Yes, so I mean… it really… if you think about it in terms of an economy, an economy of consciousness?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: It’s much more economical to be congruent. (Laughing)

KRIS: And that is part of the psychology of consciousness. You may even consider different consciousness demographics to add to the mix, the demographics of aspects within the one personality structure.

JOHN: Yeah, in a sense there’s almost even a consensus, a consensus reality that forms out of the realities of all the aspects within one being.

KRIS: That is correct. Though the individual is one, the one is of many. Do forgive out Star Trek talk.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: And do understand we are not Vulcan.

JOHN: Yes, now a lot of the material presented on this has… kind of puts you around that idea… because of a concern that we begin to have a fear that we’re going to lose our pride of place as the ego running the show here… like I mean it’s all very well and good for me to have brothers and sisters, but to have other hundreds and thousands of other aspects of my own Self… then what happens to me as the king of the hill? But it’s helpful for me to realize that the more I acknowledge the other aspects of myself, the more precious and important and crucial I become.

KRIS: Indeed, because Self is again, a many splendored thing.

(Phone rings)

(Laughing)

JOHN: Well I think we might have a call, we’re all holding our breath here.

KRIS: In the meantime…

MARK: Actually, John’s comment about the economy of Self reminded me of something I saw on television recently regarding humans and their behaviors in the stock market, for instance, and people tend to have this tendency… is that you have stocks that are making money – profitable and you’ve got the losing stocks… and people have this bad habit of hanging on to the losing stocks because there’s this old adage that you know… you buy low and you sell high. They’re dying for these to go back up and often they don’t, so they hang on to the losing stock, end up selling off the profitable stock.

KRIS: And do you understand why? Because most individuals truly OVER value what they have even if they will sink with the ship.

MARK: That’s often what happens. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. Because they owned it once and bought it at a certain price, it is worth much more simply because they own it and will hold it even if they have to go into bankruptcy.

MARK: But they’re also giving up that which is profitable in order to do that.

KRIS: Indeed it is not logical.

MARK: No, it’s not.

KRIS: And it is the entire point. At this point the individual acts purely on (an) emotional basis.

MARK: Okay we have a caller.

JOHN: I think we have a caller.

KRIS: Indeed!

MARK: Hello caller.

CALLER: Yes. Kris I wanted to thank you for your presentation on Friday nights even though I haven’t been able to call in or listen live every time I have downloaded the sessions and have enjoyed them tremendously.

KRIS: Indeed.

CALLER: I found them very beneficial.

KRIS: We thank you.

MARK: What’s your name by the way, and where are you calling from?

CALLER: My name is Bill and I’m from Nashville.

MARK: Hi Bill.

BILL: And I think there’s probably more people listening than are willing to call in right now. Your conversations online are clear, I really enjoy the direction that they take and I enjoy the casual interchange and find them very helpful.

KRIS: You are most welcome. We continue to deliver because we also understand there are more listening than are calling.

BILL: Good, good. Well, there has been some interference on the line tonight and they… the broadcast, the live feed is being interrupted and garbled a little bit, I was wondering if you might have some insight on (unintelligible phrase).

JOHN: Oh Bill?

BILL: Yes.

JOHN: I just got the guy on the control panel just mention to me that they were having some problems earlier but they’re all cleared up now so it should be clear sailing from here on end.

BILL: Well I hope so. I do appreciate it and thank you very much, Kris.

MARK: Thanks for calling, we appreciate that.

KRIS: Now our comment to your inquiry can simply be that there might be in your life some communications or aspects of communications that you, the listener, whoever you are and wherever you are, might be in need of fine tuning and adjusting more to your liking as opposed to your disliking or not wanting. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, sure, so that the issues around communication would be meaningful – perhaps a different meaning but still meaningful to every single person listening.

KRIS: Indeed. Now it may appear that in terms of technology there is a simple answer but it may not stand alone. It may indeed be the result of the individual listener’s need to clear up their own communications in conjunction with whatever technical issues might be present.

MARK: So we have ten minutes left. Once again the phone line is 416-204-9723.

KRIS: In the meantime, what say you? (to Mark)

MARK: While we were talking there about the analogy of the stock markets and people holding on, giving too much value in a way, overvaluing those energies that are no longer necessary… to me that strikes a nail right on the head. I guess that’s why that analogy came into my mind.

KRIS: Indeed. And how would that apply to your own life situation concerning events and conditions, situations of your past that might indeed be in dire need of being released?

MARK: Obviously they need to be released. As I was saying there’s definitely things in my backpack that need to come out and they are making themselves apparent.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: I thought it was your brother, not your parents

(Mark laughing)

JOHN: Just kidding!

MARK: A parent (apparent), I get it! It took me a second…. asleep at the switch. Yeah I do, we’ve talked about some of the bullying in my life as of recently and…

JOHN: Well you know what’s funny, Mark, when you mention bullying… I was the oldest boy. I had an older sister but I had three younger brothers, and in my family, I was the bully. But here’s the funny thing: that has created incongruencies in me. In the same way that… I mean similar but different… but I… when I look back… what I have incongruencies in my present life about are: abusing my power, being unkind, speaking unkind hateful things to people and so as a result, I squelch myself, hold back and don’t allow myself free expression often, and that’s just the other side… so that both players in a drama can carry away from it. Whoever seems to be the top dog in the situation can carry away from it incongruencies.

MARK: It’s interesting that you say you hold back because that’s in effect what I do because I was taught to shut up or get beat up, so often I don’t voice the way I feel or what I desire and so on and so forth, so we have similar outcomes but from opposite sides of the coin.

JOHN: Isn’t that interesting?

KRIS: And what would that tell you indicate to either of you?

MARK: We’re working on similar issues?

JOHN: It would indicate that every experience is meaningful whatever the situation might seem to look like… or in from… yeah, that’s what that means to me. (John’s experiencing some communication problems ? )

(Laughing)

KRIS: If you look at the deeper layers of the experiences themselves: as to why they were put into place, why you engage them in the first place? What would it mean to you?

JOHN: I think he meant you, Mark.

KRIS: Either one.

MARK: Either way, we create situations and circumstances that reflect our emotions and not the other way around so at that time I had my own insecurities and feelings of self-worth, a lack of self-worth.

KRIS: And how would that be reflected today?

MARK: Some of those still exist.

KRIS: Correct. As we suggested earlier, you may indeed entertain both the half full and half empty glass, as most people do. It is not that you always see the half empty glass. You may sometimes see a half full one, but be aware of what you see. Be aware of what you focus upon. Become CONSCIOUS Beings!

JOHN: I get the feeling that you’re telling us to pay attention to what’s happening in our lives.

KRIS: That constitutes a conscious Being.

MARK: Well over the last four or five years, I’ve been delving into this material and I do strongly feel that a lot of this is coming up at this time now, because I’m ready for it and I am concentrating, I am paying attention and it’s coming to my awareness.

KRIS: Indeed. This also indicates that for the majority of human beings who expect that this kind of work will be done within a few moments of introspection or meditations, you might very likely simply be engaging another denial mechanism. This work does take time in your perspective.

MARK: it’s interesting, this afternoon I had a bit of a nap and I had a dream of being a prisoner. And it… after moments of being in there I realized I was a prisoner of my own devices and that I was the one that could get me out.

KRIS: Indeed. Each one of you that may feel in a similar way that you are a prisoner of your life: (you) are not only the prison guard and the prison maker, but you can also be the one who liberates yourself. You have to come to that realization on your own. If we can assist, it is merely in pointing out what you might need to pay attention to but we cannot force or make anyone pay attention to anything they do not want to pay attention to.

JOHN: Yes. And that’s so it really ends up being a partnership that we have going here. It’s funny, the idea of locking yourself up inside your life, that suddenly strikes me as one of the things that I’ve gained from this job situation at the bank because before then, I had the feeling that really, that outside reality was a closed system and that the rich… you know… people had it all locked up for their own benefit. But I work inside a bank and millions of dollars pass through my hands, right?

MARK: Literally? (laughing)

JOHN: No, no, electronically. But anyway what the vision I got when we were talking about the people feeling that they’re a prisoner in their life was: Imagine that you’re a sardine inside the can, right? Well somehow, I have opened that can and I’m a little sardine peeking out and realizing that there’s a big old world out there and I’m not gonna stop at getting a job at the bank, I’m gonna go out there and have fun and see what kind of mischief I can get up to.

KRIS: Indeed and what you have done in other words is open your own personal Pandora ‘s Box and that is what so many are truly afraid of. That once they open the Pandora ‘s Box, their own Pandora’s box, once they question the status quo, once they question the official line of consciousness, then all manners of chaos will rule! Because most people fear what is within them, they fear their drives, their desires, their passions, the fire of life but would rather keep it under lock and key and never explore the heights, the depth, the width and the power of their human experience and keep themselves locked into patterns that literally become their prison. Half full or half empty? What is your Pandora ‘s Box? What is the time?

MARK: It’s 8:30 (PM)

KRIS: Indeed then, we leave you to ponder the question. What is your Pandora ‘s Box? And with that we thank you for listening and for interacting and for being yourselves whether you are half full or half empty, you are still the glass.

JOHN: Thank you, Kris.

MARK: Thank you, Kris. So that’s our time tonight. This audio file will be put online at the krischronicles.com website. Kris is with a ‘K’ and we will be back in two weeks’ time with an open call-in show so get your Kris questions ready.

JOHN: Goodnight everybody.

(Session ends)

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