Kris Radio: The World

February 23, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on February 23, 2007

MARK: Happy Friday Everyone and welcome to Kris radio, I’m your co-host Mark Bukator and I’m here with…

JOHN: And I guess I’m the other co-host John Hawkins and of course we’re both here with…

SERGE: Oh me, (laughter) Serge.

MARK: Glad you could participate.

SERGE: Yes, well especially today since it’s your birthday!

MARK: Thank you. (Laughing)

SERGE: So all over the internet there are all sets of little people singing “Happy Birthday, Mark”

MARK: I got up this morning and opened up my inbox and I was overwhelmed. I got blessings from all over the world and I’m just so thrilled. Thank you all, wonderful day. So today Kris has dropped us a hint that he plans on talking on, or the topic would be ‘The World’, I’m not sure exactly what that includes, but I’m very intrigued.

JOHN: That’s a nice big topic.

MARK: It’s a very big topic. He can go in many directions with that topic. While we’re waiting, John and I were just talking about the Lotus Mind Workshop. We just announced that just a couple weeks ago and we’re already fifty percent sold out. The workshop’s being held here in Toronto on June 9th and 10th and it’s called “The Lotus Mind” and tickets are on sale through the website: krischronicles.com and we’ve got people flying in from Europe, from Spain!

JOHN: Two people from Spain.

SERGE: Yup, Spain, there’s Colorado, L.A.

MARK: Delaware.

SERGE: Oregon, Delaware, New Jersey, Calgary, it’s quite…. I guess in a way mind-blowing that people are willing to travel.

JOHN: It’s lotus mind-blowing.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Yes, that’s right. Willing to you know, be part of our experience and already so many months away from here, so that’s quite humbling.

MARK: Kris puts on some pretty phenomenal workshops, they’re very…

JOHN: ‘Life-changing’ comes to mind.

MARK: Good way of putting that.

SERGE: Yes, Mark and I have been at some other workshops and even channeling workshops where you might have somebody you know, do some channeling for an hour an hour and a half and that’s about it. The one thing here that many people have commented from our workshops is that they will be getting two days of Kris, literally, you know.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: You can’t get him to shut up during our workshops.

(Mark’s laughing)

SERGE: No.

MARK: And Brahm will be making a guest appearance, so that’s a wonderful thing as well.

JOHN: And He’s traveling from quite a distance.

MARK: Oh, no kidding.

(More laughter)

SERGE: And I thought I’d take the opportunity also since we are talking about workshops for a slightly different kind of workshop held March the 10th, Saturday March 10 from 10 to 4. This is a workshop titled “mindful relaxation” since I am a certified hypnotist, hypnotherapist.

I’ll be showing people how they can use their powerful subconscious mind to manage stress levels, tensions, how to relax, not just the mind, but the body and improve that mind-body connection for many, many healthful purposes. It’s recognized more and more that stress is at the root of many, many difficulties and challenges in people’s lives and I’ve always been a firm believer that having some good tools is very, very useful in helping us as human beings sort of handle and cope with the creations we manifest throughout the days and so there you have it.

The information for that particular workshop for the 10th, Saturday March the 10th is available on my hypnosis website which is www.nexus-hypnosis.com. (Serge repeats the website, clarifying that it’s a dash and not an underscore) There’s some information about my work as a hypnotherapist as well as the workshop itself and what its intent is and how you can participate.

JOHN: Just a question on that, Serge.

SERGE: Yes.

JOHN: Would the people attending that workshop in essence learn self-hypnosis techniques?

SERGE: Definitely. That is one of the things that I do with my own clients and that practice as a powerful tool: Learn self-hypnosis methods that can greatly enhance just how you relate to yourself and life in general.

JOHN: Well I feel I’ve actually used self-hypnosis and I feel that Kris has kind of taught it… you know he’s kind of taught me how to do it over the last six months so I use the exact same, you know, the progressive relaxation and then going down the steps and everything and this works good!

SERGE: I did find it interesting that even before I was finished with my hypnotherapist training, Kris was using hypnosis and various hypnotic techniques especially in the series called, of sessions that are on the Kris website, the series of evenings called “Who Are You?” which we’ve received very good reviews on and we’ve sold quite a number of the sets to people from as far away as Australia so it’s quite nice, and very good feedback from them.

MARK: The practical applications and the meditations and the hypnosis in those five CD’s are absolutely amazing. Some evenings there were two or three different meditations, hypnosis and some of them we’re just so empowering and so relaxing and enlightening.

SERGE: Kris doesn’t refer to it as hypnosis but he uses another term.

MARK: Adventures in Practices.

SERGE: Adventures in Practices, yeah. So it’s definitely a very interesting set of evenings. These are from what we’ve called the “International Sessions” where we’re on a teleconference circuit and definitely not to be listened to while you’re driving.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Using heavy machinery like, you know, if you happen to be at home driving a tractor, don’t. But it’s important too to understand that because it will lead to very deep relaxation. So that’s the little announcement for the hypnosis workshop on March the 10th.

MARK: (Kris is) also the teller of tales. The three tales he’s told us so far have been laced with suggestions and hypnotic states that would… once listened to over and over again would actually help inspire and relax.

JOHN: Yes. Who knows we may get another tale this evening.

MARK: Tale of the world, the folkdom of the world.

JOHN: Well he’s talked about the world quite a bit actually in the last several sessions about how it’s basically a consumer culture. I think we’re probably talking mostly about the Western world here, about a consumer culture that’s all about getting things faster and bigger and better and…

MARK: The ‘flash’ civilization.

JOHN: The ‘flash’, yes.

SERGE: In a way it’s controversial but he is making a critique about our present experiences with our civilization and some of the effects we feel from that and in the sense that it’s been controversial is: you know there have been a lot of discussion groups exploring Kris’ mention of these things and I believe it is sometimes a little difficult to get down and understand that even though we are conscious creators or conscious co-creators sometimes our own creations escape us because we are very focused in certain areas and not paying attention to others and that’s included in Kris’ critiques about where we’re at with our civilization and it’s food for thought.

MARK: It’ll be interesting where he takes us tonight, and here he comes.

(Pause)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable, and we thank you for your consideration.

MARK: Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: As we had suggested to Joseph, we would like to title this discussion “The World”. And it is a very broad subject matter because the word ‘world’ does conjure up many, many images and all kinds of imagery for each unique individual and as a matter of course each individual will perceive the world through his or her filters of beliefs or convictions and as such again, there is a different experience of the world and of physical reality for each individual and yet almost miraculously each unique version of the world and physical reality manages to run fairly smoothly in spite of so many different versions of. This is an innate capacity of consciousness in creating the consensus camouflage reality and as we suggested perhaps even a few months ago that in actuality, the world is not about the world. Do you remember that?

JOHN: The world is not about the world, the world is about you.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps this might seem somewhat abstract of a statement however, be it as it may the individual’s beliefs, convictions, attitudes, expectations, perceptions and so on are actually literally transferred onto the stage of the world because in some respects all the world is a stage of kind but in this particular case it is your SELF – in capital letters – that happens to be both the performance, the audience and the performer. This does change the equation somewhat and as Joseph has just recently pointed out in a discussion with a friend, it appears to be very well-intentioned that one change his or her perceptions, beliefs or convictions about the world particularly in reference to one of the biggest challenges in modern times, that of global warming. And then instead of concentrating on lack of, or waste or destruction, one concentrate on the world being full of abundance and so on and so forth, and as we have just said such a premise indeed is well-intentioned but since the world is about the individual, altering beliefs about the world can bring about a small change because the world is not about the world.

The truer nature of that work, the source of that transformation needs to occur first and foremost not about the beliefs or convictions towards the world but about the holder, the beholder, the caretaker of the beliefs themselves: the individual. The individual’s own beliefs or convictions regarding lack of and destruction and so on and so forth: that is where the world will begin its transformation as the individual may indeed experience it now. Once the individual develops sufficient momentum concerning the nature of his or her own convictions then indeed, these will be reflected and very nicely confirmed by its presentation and manifestation within physical reality and the world itself. And again to reiterate this: the transformations must occur within the individual as the individual is the source of said world, of said physical reality. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: So again, though it is well-intentioned, the bottom line is the individual and not the world, but since the world and its imagery is a confirmation of individual beliefs, in many different ways our question is then: what is the individual offering himself or herself? Now you need not answer but again only to yourself, ponder the question: what kind of beliefs then does the individual, any individual, hold on to that is manifested throughout the imagery of the world in all of its myriad forms and expressions? Could the present experience of the world as it is collectively known in this very moment represent a snapshot into the psyche?

There are two kinds of psyches at work here. There is the individual and the collective; they do go hand in hand. Neither is insulated from the other and though it may indeed be popular through the media, for example to showcase the worst possible scenarios, the worst possible catastrophes, cataclysms, it may take some searching to discover that there are many other things in operation within the world. There are countries that are already well into different transformations. There are events and situations in many places throughout the world that also demonstrate incredible potentials and capacities for a very different experience of both individual and collective psyches projected through the imagery of the world and this does not mean in some respects that one must only focus on one thing or the other but to take the entire picture into consideration just as a corporation, even a national or a multi-national corporation can be considered as an individual and its own collective atmosphere be researched, be examined as if it were one single being. It also stands to reason that the entire global adventure can be viewed in the same light just as we described not that long ago. Do you remember?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: This can give you incredible insights into the collective and individual psyche and give you a more balanced picture so to speak, a clearer map of the belief structures that are involved in the present imagery of the world in all of its various forms and expressions: both the one that might be less pleasant as well as those that are more pleasing to observe and interact with. And in this way, a more harmonious, even more stable and stabilizing picture and understanding can come from accepting all the various presentations of this imagery from either extremities right down to the middle or either extremes right down to the middle, otherwise again, it may serve little purpose to insist that one must only concentrate upon the pretty uplifting things when your own experience tells you that the entire world is not as pretty as you may insist it must be, otherwise you are creating dichotomy within your own self and incongruencies.

But by observing your reactions to these various observations you can get a much clearer picture of your own inner imagery through the beliefs that you generate and how those beliefs themselves are being projected onto the imagery of the world and of physical reality. And this will give you a much more powerful position from which to recognize those aspects of your own Being that are involved in the imagery of the world enabling you, as the individual, the creator of the imagery, to recognize what needs then to be transformed within your own Being, within your own imaging processes so to speak, so that the resultant imagery of the world becomes then a reflection and confirmation of your own inner imagery. Such is the power of recognizing your own personal imagery. Our simple three step process: triple A, can work wonders as a tool for you in acknowledging, addressing and accepting even the extremes of your own belief structures with such recognition indeed your own convictions then are challenged by you so that you can make the necessary alterations or modifications to your inner imagery which is then projected onto the screen, the imagery of the world which ends up confirming your particular beliefs. Does this also make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

JOHN: Yes. May I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: You said something very interesting about how we can think of a corporation as could be considered as an individual and the whole world in fact could be considered as an individual as a way to understand better our own inner imagery. But it occurred to me, a fascinating thought, and that is when we think of a corporation as an individual: is it also true then that that corporation’s inner imagery and convictions and attitudes about itself are outwardly reflected by the financial world that it inhabits?

KRIS: There you are opening another can of worms but that is fine, that is what we are hoping for, that you open can upon can upon of worms. Do forgive us, those who are squeamish about worms, but that is important to question and challenge your beliefs and that is part of the process. A corporation can be considered to be the sum total of all of the individuals that are tied into it, not only its president and managers and employees and managers on and on and on but even those individuals who appear to be outside of its boundaries that function within in one way or another even stretched across the globe. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Oh sure, I mean even a customer of a corporation (Kris interrupts)

KRIS: Correct. Even the consumer.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: But one needs to begin somewhere and once you begin to latch on to this then it becomes easier to challenge your own beliefs.

JOHN: So just to follow that up a little bit: that means that if I was a great big corporation that I could, rather than… I mean the present wisdom is that you go out into the world and change the world, you change the consumer’s minds and you advertise and you whatever it is in order to be successful, but this suggest to me that if I’m a great big corporation and I want to change the financial world that I’m living in that I need to take care of my own internal imagery, beliefs, convictions etcetera and that that will be automatically reflected in the financial world that I’m living in.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: Well now that’s a very interesting idea. I hope Myrna’s listening cause that’s a whole new field of corporate consulting.

MARK: I like to look at the personality of a corporation, a city, a state, a country, continent

JOHN: Or the world.

MARK: But if you look at it as a personality: you take the big corporation but break it down, it has a president, it has secretaries, it has little ‘Joe’ running from office to office with the mail and it’s full of diverse belief structures within itself and yet it still represents a personality, an individual and we are just like that as well and if we look out into the world, all our little individuals are expressed outward, out there giving us, showing our personality.

KRIS: You have the exact same phenomenon within governments and their internal structures and as you know yourselves, the happier you are, the nicer imagery comes back as a confirmation from the world, correct?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Within the structures of the government or corporation, multinational and so on and so forth, the happier the individuals are within those structures the better the corporation or the multinational does. Those corporations, governments, multinationals or even small industries, small business that contain unhappy individuals do not necessarily survive for very long because the source of the energies withers away.

MARK: What about these big companies that are thriving around the world where there is a lot of disgruntled laborers?

KRIS: What do THEY represent?

MARK: Obviously…

KRIS: What kind of imagery is projected here?

MARK: It’s a lot of sadness and despair within the belief structure of the personality yet it can still present itself as being successful.

KRIS: Only for the duration of time necessary for it to recognize its present awareness, thus there will come a time when such industries eventually will withdraw but not until its purpose has been served, so to speak and the same goes for all such structures.

MARK: So getting back to the original topic here: we have the world as an expression, and outward expression of ourselves and we are showing ourselves all the various belief structures that we hold within and if we look at the world right now, there’s areas of peacefulness and then there’s areas where they’re not so peaceful but that’s the conflict within, showing itself, making itself known to us. So as a path, we should be looking or could be looking, I don’t know if I should be using the word ‘should’ but allowing is what’s coming to mind here, that allowing for these belief structures rather than denying them or fighting them or blocking them or trying to control them.

KRIS: Correct. As we have suggested even months ago: this imagery of the world which is imagery of your self is the byproduct of the creations that you entertain between the various fields that exists between your opposing and your allowing up to and including allowing opposing. And as Joseph clued in but a few days ago, we did say sometimes it takes him a while to clue in to things, but we also recently spoke about dualism, non-dualism: dvaita, advaita vedanta and so many other related states of human experience. You create in the various fields and atmospheres between these states of dualism and non-dualism, opposing, allowing, the same thing. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: In other words you always fluctuate between layers and levels and stages and states together of dualism and non-dualism.

MARK: And that is why we can never have one over the other. The world exists as a result of (Kris interrupts)

KRIS: Because you as a Being actually are and exist outside the parameters of these two states but you utilize them because it generates fields of energy that literally congeal units of consciousness. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Nice word. (Referring to ‘congeal’) Yeah, sure.

KRIS: That charge that exists between and within the tensions create within the fields of allowing and opposing, dualism, non-dualism creates the proper atmosphere for units of consciousness to form your inner imagery into the imagery of the world transposed apparently outside of your selves: dualism. So that you can observe and receive confirmation that the beliefs that you entertain, that you hold, that you nurture and cultivate and feed. Even those that may prove destructive to you will then be working perfectly because they are confirmed in the imagery of the world. So the problem is not with beliefs, all beliefs will work. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: They all work.

KRIS: Some of the challenges however are the kinds of beliefs that you cultivate, that you subscribe to, the kinds of programs that you run.

JOHN: In a way it’s almost as though any particular belief is basically fine. The problem (Kris interrupts)

KRIS: Indeed. For instance you may believe that if you sleep on the right side of the bed you will have a better night’s rest than if you sleep on the left side of the bed, but these kinds of beliefs are rather innocuous. They are not life-altering per se.

JOHN: So the only time we get into trouble is when we have a cocktail of beliefs that is internally inconsistent, in other words (Kris interrupts)

KRIS: Especially when they are highly charged or spiced or even spiked.

JOHN: Right, so if I believe sleeping on the right side of the bed is good for me but I also believe that my spouse wants to sleep there and I’m gonna have trouble at home if I don’t let her, then I’m in conflict not because of any of the beliefs but because of the mixture of the beliefs that I’m engaging.

KRIS: You may even up the ante and believe that the little bit of anticipation you might feel in the pit of your stomach about this situation could potentially be harmful and dangerous, and then what happens but that this belief and the energy you have been feeding it is suddenly confirmed for you.

JOHN: Mm-hmm and you have an upset stomach.

KRIS: Or worse! Marital problems.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: You end up sleeping in the dog house or on the couch.

(Laughter)

MARK: One of the things I’ve discovered is that we often think of beliefs as being black and white: I either believe this or I believe that and when it come to certain topics or anything, we either believe this or we believe that, but on different layers we do have so many different, conflicting or opposite or diverse beliefs and it’s discovering it. All you have to do is word it a different way or look at it from a different angle, different perception and you discover “Oh yeah, I do believe that too.”

KRIS: Indeed and you might even add to this that individuals who become fixated in one extreme or the other do so because there is some kind of compensation.

JOHN: Pay-off.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: There’s always a pay-off.

KRIS: They will hold their position on one side or the other of the color chart because it is to their advantage to stay in that position. Perhaps sliding in one direction or the other towards the middle so to speak, into the grayer zones, could even threaten their particular pay-off so they will then not venture there and will insist that it is impossible, that it cannot be done.

JOHN: And not only can it not be done but whoever does it is bad.

KRIS: Indeed. Thus you find again representations, confirmations of these kinds of beliefs within the collective imagery of the world. You find extremism in various corners. This would entail then that the individual actually challenge his or her beliefs, convictions and not simply assume that this IS what life is about but that one challenge all of one’s own beliefs about life, about the world for instance, about even yourself, himself, herself. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes.

MARK: That’s a wake-up call.

KRIS: Indeed. That is what this imagery of global warming and many other dilemmas is all about. It says you entertain individually or collectively, sets of convictions and these are being displayed three dimensionally for you to recognize. And you do have wonderful tools to assist you in recognizing your beliefs. First off the imagery of the world itself but even closer to home, within your own being, your own body, you have feelings and emotions. These are communications but it is (a) fine thing to say they are communications but what are they communicating? They are communicating to you the present state of your inner imagery and how you feel concerning those experiences at any given time. Consider them in science fiction terms as sensors. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Oh yes.

KRIS: Starships have sensors that give feedback, correct?

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: It gives detailed information about the atmosphere within which you are, about that kind of psychological environment. When individuals lose the ability to translate those communications then confusion, even chaos reigns, misinterpretations and many individuals actually have lost that ability to translate the information they receive from within. Their emotional states and feelings become confusing.

JOHN: Well I think that’s a very, very important topic, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: If there’s any way to put a workshop together to teach people how to understand their own internal communications, sign me up.

MARK: Bring the sensors back on-line.

KRIS: Indeed! Perhaps in a future time, not too distant future this may become a reality. But it is important to recognize that these communications again are your interpretations. If you do not understand Mandarin or Cantonese Chinese you may have a problem on your hands, correct?

JOHN: Yes, if you wanna live in China.

KRIS: The idea is to learn. For instance it is recognized that little infants very early on develop motor skills and then syntactical skills, communication skills, but even before these stages of development within the infant are brought in-line so to speak, there is already in place a basic fundamental system which assists the infant in assessing the nature of this world he or she is now in, and the infant will gauge this by how its needs are met. If infant displays discomfort and its needs are met quickly and safely then the infant will recognize that the world responds to its needs and it may indeed begin the process of feeling safe within this world, in your physical reality. We do wish that our words were not misconstrued or taken out of context. We are speaking about the personality as it is developing within the parameters of physical expression. Do you follow?

(Yes)

KRIS: Thus if the infant recognizes that its discomforts are perhaps ignored or very tardy to be paid attention to, it may begin to understand that the world is not necessarily a safe place. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Oh sure.

KRIS: So this is one of the foundational structures when a personality manifests in the physical world, in very early stages of infancy, even before motor skills begin to manifest. And so from that platform then, the infant already begins the establishment of belief structures, upon that foundation.

MARK: And that never goes away, does it?

KRIS: It is foundational.

MARK: Yeah, cause even as adults we do that, that formulates our behavior patterns on…

KRIS: Correct.

MARK: The pay-off that we were talking about earlier really is the meeting of our needs.

KRIS: Now, it may never go away but the individual can still do something about this and there are many different modalities that can assist in this kind of endeavor, and though there may be a foundation of insecurity, the individual can begin to modify the behavior that is usually enacted by the beliefs which in turn begins to wean the energy fed into the beliefs by modifying the behavior. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yeah, is by modifying the behavior, do we basically mean availing ourselves of choices, of different choices?

KRIS: Correct. This may also involve a great deal of introspection: of acknowledging, addressing and accepting in conjunction with different modalities to actually defuse the charge that is instilled within this process and that is literally on auto pilot.

JOHN: Well that’s kind of a startling thing to think about, Kris because when I was growing up fifty years ago there was a school of child rearing that said that you left the little one cry himself to sleep because this was teaching it self-reliance and you know, heaven knows what it was, and this I’m contrasting with the school of child rearing that says that the child never leaves the arms for a human being for the first five years of their life. They’re literally always in somebody’s arms. (There are sirens blaring and honking from a fire truck passing by)

KRIS: You wish to repeat that last few words?

JOHN: Yes. Contrasting that with the idea that the infinite, the infant…I just said infinite instead of infant… is always in somebody’s arms, an aunt, a mother, a whoever, an older sister, literally always in somebody’s arms.

KRIS: Indeed, some people do believe that this would cajole the child and then over indulge it and spoil the child but it has definitely been proven by, in your standards, that a child that is held and lovingly touched and supported and nurtured does become a healthy individual in mind and body. Experiences with children in Africa, in Romania, in Russia who have been labeled with AIDS and therefore resigned to the dark corridors of forgetfulness where they can simply wither and die have often had almost miraculous transformations in the states of their health simply by being embraced and held by a caring human being. So that affects your immune system itself which is foundational to your well-being because it is directly tied in to this foundation of safety where belief systems are then plugged into. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Oh yes, absolutely and it’s also very encouraging that even though some of us may not have had that kind of upbringing, and the foundation that was laid is never gonna go away in this lifetime, but it’s very comforting to realize that we can, by changing our behavior, stop feeding those beliefs.

KRIS: Correct. Now we do understand that simply because we have said that this particular foundation will never go away, may be interpreted to mean that we are imposing a limitation, and of course with conscious creation one is supposed to do and be able to do ANYTHING but yet we still have not seen pigs fly. Do you understand?

JOHN: I haven’t seen any pigs fly either, yet.

KRIS: Correct, but there may be alternate dimensions where pigs fly and when we find them we will let you know.

JOHN: (chuckling) That will be the flying pig dimension.

KRIS: Correct.

MARK: It’s often noted though, it’s often true that individuals who are trying to manifest wealth, health and that, often… and the ones who aren’t so successful… often don’t wanna change their behaviors, they think they can just change them without changing themselves.

KRIS: There are also very many different issues at stake. There may still be an entire gallery of beliefs that have never been examined, brought to the light of the conscious mind and transformed. There may be indeed, we should rephrase that, there ARE and perhaps even ALL individuals actually exist between a state of what they now have and what they believe their desired state to be: again a variation on the theme of opposing and allowing. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: And they may greatly yearn for the desired state but at the same time, not necessarily be willing to explore what is in the present state which may include a variety of beliefs such as: “richer people are snobs, are stinkers, rich people do not care about others, they are selfish. Rich people represent that power corrupts”. With all of these kinds of programs running in their own subconscious minds, you can almost be assured that they might never attain the desired state and if they attain some level of it, it will quickly return to homeostasis because of these subconscious programs all running and they have not been transformed. Their energies are still being manufactured, thus their imagery of the world will reflect this. Does this make sense?

JOHN: Perfect sense.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So you may indeed borrow pretty ruby red shoes, click them three hundred times and unfortunately, you will still be in Kansas.

JOHN: And you have to give the shoes back.

KRIS: That is correct, lest some house fall on you.

(Laughing)

KRIS: Indeed, what is the time?

MARK: 8:02 (PM)

KRIS: Indeed, we suggest a small break and perhaps afterwards the telephone line can ring off the hook.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: Indeed then, enjoy your small break.

(Four minute musical interlude)

JOHN: Just pretend you’re calling in

MARK: Yeah.

SERGE: The number is…

(laughing)

MARK: We’re back, by the way. Oopsie! We were just talking about questions here. If and when… we know it will be an if… but when Kris opens the phone lines the number to call will be 416-204-9723. If you do get through, please tell us your name and where you’re calling from, and remember to turn your volume down on your computer because there is a lag. So what’d you think so far, John?

JOHN: Oh, I’m quite jazzed. I was feeling a little sleepy after dinner there, but I’m totally on the ball again.

MARK: He just snuck in without me knowing. (Referring to Kris)

JOHN: Yes, Kris has entered the building.

KRIS: Indeed then, we trust that our little humble presentation becomes food for thought…

MARK: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Fodder for the mind and enriches your abilities to recognize the very beliefs that you subscribe to: that literally create the imagery of the world in one way or another. We spoke a few moments ago about this tension, this field that exists between what you allow, what you oppose in your life. This in itself is a natural, entirely natural innate state. We hate to be a disappointment to some but we are compelled to mention that if your ideas of a future world is of a world of the most brilliant shade of Pollyanna, you might be in for a letdown because that represents a static, dead world. A world without any creative input and the reason we say that this field of tension is INNATE within consciousness is because this is also the desire state. The state between your present experience and your desired experience is also manifested by ‘All That Is’ AND what we have described last year as the ‘All That Is’s', the Uguur, the very source of the ‘All That Is’. That is what generates unbelievable creativity. The very energy of creativity itself which gives birth to unlimited universes, realities, the very stuff that makes the sun, the stars because it is the very stuff of your Being. Does that also make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Thus individuals who may desire to eschew the human state of being. The state where you might get dirty with emotional stuff and pretend that if they rise above that human state and pretend that whilst in the conscious state within the very boundaries, their very human personality and ego construction, they can manifest the same state of Essence on a perpetual basis, are in so many ways actually denying the very source of their being. Because the pleasure spot, if you wish, the G spot of consciousness is delicately poised within the variances of this tension between present state, desired state, between allowing and opposing, between dualism, non-dualism because you yourselves are a state of experience over and above the tensions themselves. You utilize: it is your creative tool just as Leonardo Da Vinci’s creative urge made itself known in his mind, in his heart but the tools were the chisel and a hammer or his paintbrushes. So your chisel and hammer is that state. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

KRIS: Indeed. We also realize that in slightly over one hour, still it is a challenge to express such broad and deep subject matters and hope that none of it will be taken out of context and distorted. We also understand that what we say and what an individual hears are two things, but if they can actually hear what we say instead of what they hear in their own minds, then indeed revelations can come to them. And they may be able to look beyond the mental platform and instead of telling everyone else that they need to look at their beliefs then said individual can look back into their own, or his or her own being and look at his or her own beliefs because the individuals that they are all telling to look at their beliefs are actually reflecting that individual’s own beliefs. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

KRIS: Now with that, if there is time, we would enjoy a telephone call of some kind if individuals are so inclined.

MARK: The number to call: 416-204-9723… waiting for your call.

JOHN: While we’re waiting, I think Hugh… did you say you had a question?

KRIS: Indeed! The telephone to call…

(Laughing)

HUGH: Yeah, I have a question, you see if I was at home, I probably wouldn’t call, but since you’re forcing me to ask a question… but on the topic of tonight’s discussion ‘The World’, I have a question related to my experience of the 9/11 event and what it was, was basically… I was having some issues… whatever, like we all do, the night before 9/11 so this was September 10th, 2001.

And I was in a bit of an agitated state and on my way home I was on my bike that night. Anyways I did something that I’d never done before… and what I did… I actually cursed God and then the next day 9/11 happened and I noticed that those two things… I noticed the approximation of those two events and I just wondered if you know… I wonder for myself if that… if those two events are somehow related. I’m not saying that I caused 9/11 however or anything like that, but I’m wondering for myself if there was a relationship between those two things.

KRIS: May we inquire if you are inclined to respond: Your reasoning for the cursing. Please proceed.

HUGH: It was really just…

KRIS: You understand this is entirely anonymous.

HUGH: Yeah, I think I was just having difficulty with some of my relationships with people that I was dealing with, and I was frustrated with my state in life, with the difficult situation that I was in and a frustration at seemingly always being held back or always dealing with this seemingly trivial and frivolous stuff not able to make what I would call real progress.

KRIS: Indeed and you do recognize that to some degree the cursing was not to an outside agency but the cursing was an expression of that frustration and perhaps even at that moment intense anger towards yourself. Does that make sense to you?

HUGH: Yeah, although I think I was projecting that anger outward.

KRIS: Indeed. As is per the human experience that is the nature of the world, the imagery of the world projected outwardly even onto a divine being representing your own highest ideals and creative powers. Of course the cursing in itself really was a release of that anger. Apart from that, it had no other powers, so you could not have been responsible for 9/11 but you could have been responsible for your own personal experiences within that context.

The upset-ness, the anger, frustration, resentment, wishing that your desired state would make itself manifest and in part, you are still dealing with some of those issues. However we believe that since then you are also learning to look at those beliefs, those convictions that are running in the background that are never far away from being consciously recognized so that you can make the necessary transformations and instead instill new programming that will produce the desired outcome into the imagery of the world. But the old needs to also be recognized and diffused, not necessarily destroyed, it is not possible, but diffused of the energy you feed it so that you can then feed energy into your new beliefs. Does that make sense to you?

HUGH: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. You have also discovered that… and you will continue to do so… that as an individual you are far more powerful than you believe. That again relates to beliefs and convictions. What is the time then?

MARK: Twenty-five after eight.

KRIS: Indeed, any other observations, comments, mentions, reviews?

MARK: Well a review, I would have to say this was an excellent conversation, very empowering and enlightening, really opens up the mind, opening up those cans of worms.

KRIS: Indeed. We trust that you never allow your can opener to become dull.

(laughter)

JOHN: Here’s just a final question, Kris. The world is a reflection, a confirmation of my convictions and beliefs and inner imagery. So in the world I’m living in right now, I’m sitting here talking to a dead guy and getting all kinds of stimulating, delightful, fun perspectives. That is an outward confirmation… now help me here… of me believing and being convinced that my relationship with my own Self can have those qualities?

KRIS: That is very perceptive and it is not necessarily the words, the languages that we utilize that are giving you the insights as much as what the words, the language itself is triggering within your own perceptive mechanism. There is a slight difference but overall highly significant because you are allowing your experiences to be confirmed through the imagery of the world. You are not relying on the words themselves. That also makes a big difference. You are not being a parrot, in so many words.

JOHN: Or a tape recorder.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And that’s a reflection of my relationship with Self in the sense that I’m not just a passive recipient of insights from Self either. It’s the energy of Self that I am engaging and responding to that’s the fun part.

KRIS: Indeed, in so many other words, you are a Being of action. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yeah, atman Rasa, I think.

KRIS: Because ultimately, there is within each and every one of you, the innate recognition that you are Sat Chid Ananda Vigraha: The embodiment of eternal wisdom knowledge and bliss.

JOHN: We should get a little chorus on that.

KRIS: Indeed then, we thank you for your lovely consideration and your endearing patience, and have a most pleasant evening.

(Thank you, Kris.)

MARK: That was great.

JOHN: Wasn’t that great, to do that Sanskrit in the end?

MARK: By the way folks, that will be in an upcoming transcript. That was in our last session in Toronto and that will be typed up soon. These transcripts by the way, for all our sessions and the audio files for all these radio shows are on krischronicles.com. That’s Kris with a ‘K’ and we often discuss these shows on newworldview.com in the krischronicles forums there. And with that I’d like to wish everybody a pleasant evening!

(Session ends)

The Thrill of it All! (Private Session with Brian)

February 22, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on February 22, 2007

(Session begins)

KRIS: Now then, we trust that you are comfortable?

BRIAN: Ah, quite comfortable my friend, and thank you for YOUR consideration!

KRIS: Indeed, you took the words out of our speaking mechanism!

BRIAN: (Laughing) That would be the mouth, Sir!

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: Indeed. Would you like to begin my friend, because I’m sure you’ve peeked in on me lately with what’s been going on.

KRIS: Pursuant to your first discussion, months ago now, it would be a wise and prudent thing to ask or inquire of yourself as to what your satisfaction from this episode has brought you.

BRIAN: To really know exactly what I want. And I know we’re talking about the relationship, the challenge that I created with C___.

KRIS: Correct.

BRIAN: I was also going to ask you, and this really hit me like a two-by-four when me and John, Sohars, were having our EFT and Adventures in Practices session….it hit me like a ton of bricks, Kris! Is she of the same Essence as me?

KRIS: No. However, both of you have shared many focal experiences, so there is a certain familiarity with that energy, which may have occasioned that kind of interpretation, and it is not necessarily faulty. But there have been many close associations, thus both of you are somewhat familiar with the psychological lay of the land within each other.

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: And in many respects, in order for you to come to the conclusions you have now arrived at, those kinds of interactions were agreed upon. The scenarios occurring between the two of you, the dramas, etc. are merely the physical interpretations of other conflicts the two of you have been working out for some “time.” Time in quotation marks.

There are many depths to your character that prior to this you would have easily discarded, not even bothered exploring. But now you utilized this situation, previous and present, to more or less accelerate your own path. You basically needed a good kick in the pants, so to speak, so the two of you agreed that in this lifetime, this would be part of the drama that would instigate this cascading event. Does this make sense to you?

BRIAN: It makes perfect sense! And, Kris you know, what really shook me up was when she carved in herself, and I’ll use the words she wrote: “Fuck this shit,” when she carved it into her leg it sent such a shock wave that I literally closed up shop on the inside and I said, “I can’t do this any more! I cannot put myself in this position any longer.”

KRIS: Indeed. In your vernacular, she is a “cutter.”

BRIAN: She is a cutter, yes! That’s true.

KRIS: This indicates that her present levels of self-esteem, self-worth, plus a host of other deep complexes are almost beyond her scope to deal with and definitely out of YOUR element to deal with.

BRIAN: Yes. Kris, she has talked about disengaging, she told me that she thinks her value fulfillment is up. And it’s so sad to hear because I’m compassionate to her, I love her, I don’t want to see anything like that happen to her, but it is her choice, and …

KRIS: And at the same time it may not be a choice she is willing to take either.

BRIAN: Good, good.

KRIS: There is still a fundamental element of self-worth that has not been breached. As far as you are concerned it would do you a world of wonder to begin establishing boundaries. Not the kind that keeps you in and keeps others out, but the kind that says, “This is my energy, I recognize it and I deal with it on my own terms, and please do not transgress.”

BRIAN: It’s almost like saying “Don’t cross this line.”

KRIS: In a certain way. Because of your innate kindness which you, we will use common vernacular, which you inherited from your mother.

BRIAN: Ahh, we’re going to go into that in a second, too.

KRIS: This is part of what you retained from your relationship with her. It needs to be bolstered up with boundaries. For instance, you may build a beautiful, big welcoming house, but if you forget to put windows and doors, but simply have openings, then everyone may feel they can use your house as their own. But that usually means you will still be left with cleaning, heating, fixing and building.

BRIAN: Uh-huh. I get your point.

KRIS: However, as you recognize what kind of beautiful edifice that you have constructed with the windows and the doors in the proper places, then others will know that is a beautiful house, but it is HIS house. “We may, under invitation, participate, be welcomed in it, but it is his house and when he says it is time to go home, we go home.” Do you understand?

BRIAN: Oh, absolutely, absolutely! Now, we were talking about Mom…can we go into my mom’s recent disengagement?

KRIS: We will do our best.

BRIAN: Thank you. I was very close to Mom in this lifetime, in this framework. She meant an awful lot to me and I was going to ask you a couple of things. Not only was I very honored to be there all through the whole thing, when she was in the hospital, and when she disengaged, but I fell asleep when she coded for the second time and I saw Mom as a child, through her eyes, playing in a field, and I saw her giving birth to my older brother later on. And I felt as though in that state I caught a glimpse of her as she viewed her life, that I caught a glimpse of what she was seeing. And it was a beautiful gift.

KRIS: What you perceived was the way or the times in her life she would like to be seen as. These are peak periods where she felt particularly attuned, so to speak. Happy. Fulfilled. Grounded. So she may utilize either of these forms as her present constitution.

BRIAN: Hmmm! And I was able to catch a glimpse of it.

KRIS: Indeed. And she let you do that, and if you notice, she disengaged when you didn’t look.

BRIAN: That’s right! She disengaged when I fell asleep. Oh! And also, before that, talking about the dream state, she had gathered the whole family in and this was on the Sunday before she passed on Tuesday…and how she would shake her finger at everybody, and I couldn’t read her lips, but everybody was in white, the energy coming from the souls themselves, the whole family and she said, “You guys have got to stick together, because I’m leaving soon.” Which was….a really nice dream, actually.

KRIS: Did other members of the family remember the dream?

BRIAN: They didn’t remember my version of it, but each of them had their own version, even the children and I think Mikayla, she’s only eight years old, she had something where she said, “Mom-mom said she is leaving.”

KRIS: Correct. The actual communication existed outside of the time and space continuum in Framework Two.

BRIAN: Framework Two, yes. Mom was already disengaged. When Jen came to the hospital with me — she is, as you know from talking with her, she is very gifted at going under in the unconscious state — and she even said that after Mom disengaged that Mom was very proud of her two boys for being there and that she always had been most worried about how I would be after she passed, but knowing the rules as I know them — the rules of disengagement, as I call them — I knew Mom was going to where Mom wanted to go.

KRIS: Your mother more or less considered you her baby, the sweet one.

BRIAN: I was. I was her baby.

KRIS: And though your mother was a very generous person, there was also an iron will behind those eyes. She did find, throughout her life, the means to temper her existence and actually to set her boundaries. And if you look at how she managed to do this, you will find that it will be easy for you to also copy this, to model it.

BRIAN: Ah. Boundaries.

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: She used to be in amazement why I dealt with C__ and J__. She just never would understand how I would allow these women to — well, of course I chose the whole dramas, but she never would understand why I let these women walk all over me.

KRIS: You see it is one thing to…..understand, even to contemplate the possibility of saying: “I know I choose,” but why did you choose? That is another ballgame altogether.

BRIAN: I think it was fear-based, Kris. I think it had a lot to do with fear. Fear of my own power. I’ve talked to you about this before, back in May, it’s a fear of actually standing up and saying, “I am who I am, and you’re not going to fuck with me.” It’s also fear of success, which I’ve asked you about before. But you know what? When we did the Adventures in Practice, when you took us down the road with the backpack, I released….in fact all of the Adventures in Practices changed my life forever, because I released a lot of…and I realized the events of my life are not me. They’re creations and challenges.

KRIS: Indeed, they are interpretations of yourself. If you consider that the entirety of the physical world is confirmation of the beliefs that you subscribe to, the subconscious programs that you run in the background, it will become easier for you to actually recognize those issues, because you will see them being played out for you. That gives and incredible amount of empowerment. Does this make sense to you?

BRIAN: Oh yes. Absolutely.

KRIS: So then the question is not necessarily whether you understood that you created something or not, because you know the answer will always be, yes you did create this. You formed it, you manifested it, etc. That is not at issue. But digging deeper, you can actually come to realize why, what sort of fulfillment, what kind of satisfaction did you derive from that engagement? These are deeper questions still.

BRIAN: To be honest with you, I was very stimulated in a lot of ways….even with C___ with all the drama that went on, in a way, and as we talked about before, I was exploring disparities, because my life is kind of quiet, I play my music, I go to work.

KRIS: Indeed, and that is correct. And if you look at it a little more closely, look at your passions, which is music and singing.

BRIAN: Right, and railroads.

KRIS: And look at life generally through the eyes of a performer, especially a musical performer.

BRIAN: Ahhh! Guess what? I got your answer! I’ve even said this to John, I said, “John, I’m always performing, I’m always making people laugh, performing in front of people, I want to be entertained! I want to laugh!” Now look at what I created with J__ and C__. Out of all that, and in a perverse way — cause it made my stomach turn a lot of times, but in a perverse way, it was entertaining. It entertained me.

KRIS: That is part of the answer, you are correct. And if you dig a little deeper, what kind of songs really sell? Are they little songs about little flowers and little bees? No, they are more in the children’s category, but an adult will either take into their heart songs about the human heart, whether it is the triumphant human heart or the tragic human heart, especially about the human heart being ripped up….[here Kris pauses to cough several times, forcefully]….Forgive our Joseph’s body.

BRIAN: Yeah, that was a good cough.

KRIS: Now, those kinds of songs that truly hit the pop charts are about the human heart being ripped out of one’s chest and then stepped upon. And in some respects, you positioned yourself in such a situation with these that your own heart, in a manner of speaking, was also cut up. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Oh yes, it does.

KRIS: So that enabled you to actually be able to utilize those experiences to put fuel in your own performances onstage.

BRIAN: That’s right! That’s right! Oh, my goodness!

KRIS: It enabled you to actually understand what some of these songs were about.

BRIAN: Uh-huh! Oh, absolutely. Well, that makes perfectly good sense.

KRIS: And at the same time, you also need to understand that this is only for the music industry. Life is not always this way. So there are different things that you can do to enable change, transformation in your situation. First and foremost begin to recognize where you can put up your boundaries. And that you honor the commitment to yourself.

BRIAN: May I ask a question about my body?

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: Okay, my left arm, right there below…Oh, I don’t even know what that muscle is but, every single day now for about two years, underneath the armpit, in between the armpit and the shoulder and the upper arm, every morning I wake up and I’m always in so much pain as if the muscle has turned itself. How on Earth can I rid myself of this pain?

KRIS: When did this begin?

BRIAN: I think about two years ago, three years ago.

KRIS: Prior to this, what was occurring in your life?

BRIAN: (Pause) Probably the trauma with J__…..No, it was with C___…..Yeah…I think…

KRIS: That would simply alert us or indicate to us that there is a part of you that hasn’t quite cleared out the system. There is lymphatic congestion in that area, swelling of lymph nodes in that area which is putting pressure on some of the smaller muscle groups.

BRIAN: How can I get rid of that?

KRIS: Utilize your EFT.

BRIAN: Oh yeah! Actually I have been tapping on them.

KRIS: And not necessarily only about this pain in your armpit, but knowing the time this began and what was occurring in your life at about that time, tap on…use a set-up phrase that involves some of the emotional struggles, challenges you were engaging at that time period.

BRIAN: Okay, that makes perfectly good sense.

KRIS: And we may suggest something else to you. Joseph has agreed that this can be done. Write something, anything on an unlined piece of paper. Only one page is sufficient. It should be done in longhand and the bottom should include at least your signature twice. Do you have the means to scan such letter?

BRIAN: Okay, you said write a letter on an unlined piece of paper in longhand.

KRIS: Indeed. It could be about anything.

BRIAN: Write about anything?

KRIS: Indeed. The point is not about the words themselves, though you need to formulate words, but Joseph may assist you with handwriting analysis.

BRIAN: Oh! Okay.

KRIS: This can prove to be another excellent tool to assist you.

BRIAN: I like that.

KRIS: The point is after you have written this and signed it at least twice, simply for confirmation, find some way to scan it so that you can email it to Joseph. If you are uncertain about this, then, perhaps a very clear, high quality photo copy, keep the copy and send the original by mail to Joseph. Whichever one is easiest for you to do.

BRIAN: I could do that. I could do it via the mail. It wouldn’t take that long to get up there to him. Excellent, I like that. I’ll do it tomorrow. Okay! More things to cover with you, my friend! Now, John — Sohars — and myself have been doing quite a lot of things with our weekly EFT and adventure in practices.

We actually changed an event. He actually took me down the steps, into the hallway and we changed an event when I was little, I think about eight or nine years old when my grandfather beat up my dad, and my brother and I were at the top of the steps and dad went flying down the steps and he was beating him up down there and Mom was down there….and we actually, by he and I going through this, we changed the event to put smiles on everyone’s faces.

And I looked at it like I was above it, and it was in an orange haze and by the time we were done with it, John could even actually visualize it. And I said, “You know what? We actually changed a traumatic event through the use of our adventures and EFT.” It was very emotional. So I just wanted to thank you, that this can be done through two physically-focused individuals. You weren’t even there!

KRIS: Indeed, and no one claimed that it could not be done in that way. Yes, you do have the potential to create completely different events. That is your human nature.

BRIAN: It was very….it was very enlightening and it was really, really nice to do that….which leads me to believe I could do that with a lot of traumatic events that I’ve created and lived through.

KRIS: We would simply, very gently offer a suggestion here in that there are times when the nature of an event does re-frame the mindset of the individual experiencing the event from his or her perspective and there are times when that may still need to be respected or honored, even if it is at the onset, somewhat unpleasant or even very unpleasant. There are ways to change events without necessarily discounting its original nature. For example, one could actually change one’s interpretation of an event. That will also be very effective.

BRIAN: There is a nice energy when John and I do that. And he even asked me to ask you: do we have any shared focuses, Sohars and El-Don?

KRIS: The very act of individuals coming together, for whatever reason, automatically creates all the necessary conditions to lay the proper foundation for exploring the connection.

BRIAN: Okay, got it.

KRIS: So, in a way, you do create those very necessary focuses that help and assist each other understand the nature of your interactions above and beyond the scope of simple face-to-face or telephone-to-telephone. Does that make sense to you?

BRIAN: Oh, perfect sense, perfect. I kind of had a gut feeling on that, too. If I observe and notice…

KRIS: It’s an instantaneous, spontaneous occurrence without the individuals having to give it any kind of thought at all. It occurs as naturally as water flows over rock.

BRIAN: Excellent, excellent. Hey Kris, on my E-44 Imagination thread that I have on Newworldview, as I’m going along each day on this trip from Morrisville to Enola on my E-44, it’s becoming….it’s situated in 1973 and I’m in the cab and you’ve told me that one of my focuses – and I really think it was John Eastburn – am I tapping so strongly in — cause we talked about this with the E-44′s and GG-1 electrics on the Penn Central and Pennsylvania Railroad — am I really tapping into a lot of it? Because it is becoming so vivid as I do this imagination thread that I actually feel like I’m there in that time frame.

KRIS: And the nature of your inquiry on this subject?

BRIAN: Is…am I tapping into….I guess it’s John Eastburn, cause you said you couldn’t corroborate it, but I get the gut feeling it is, because I knew him pretty damn well….yeah, I do get the gut feeling I’m tapping into his world view.

KRIS: In the world view, correct.

BRIAN: As he was running the train on one trip.

KRIS: Correct.

BRIAN: Because there’s many trips he probably ran.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, the world view you are tapping into is of course not necessarily the individual, because you are also not your world view. You are more than the sum of all of your parts, but you are not any of the parts specifically. So, yes, you are tapping into the world view. You are basically experiencing his experiences of reality, but that is not the individual himself.

BRIAN: Right, exactly, it’s almost like when you took me into the movie theatre back in May –

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: It’s almost like I’m running a tape from inside the cab, of actually seeing the tracks ahead of me and going on this trip. I get so nostalgic with the old electrics, I really do. And the wires aren’t up anymore, and yet, every time I see pictures of it, or I’m up close, because I’ve walked the old low grade, the old A&S branch, it just brings back so many vibrations and memories like I was there, even though I wasn’t.

KRIS: Indeed, you become very nostalgic.

BRIAN: Indeed. It’s almost like I can remember them actually running, which I did see as a child, but it really, really puts me there though, the energy.

KRIS: What do you experience in those moments, apart from the nostalgia in all of these things?

BRIAN: Oh, joy, inner happiness, strength…I actually pick up a strong vibration that I so want to see them again. The vibrations are usually very powerful, very happy, very empowering, very almost godlike, like I almost demand to see these things again. In a way…it’s kind of cocky…but kind of not. But it’s very empowering, if anything.

KRIS: In your mind’s eye, right now in this moment, you are there. You are viewing one of these machines.

BRIAN: Oh yes!

KRIS: For just a moment, pretend that there might be another time, another place, or even other times in other places where you are perhaps standing by the road, or at the railroad station, watching one of these steel behemoths start and run with all of the creaks and groans and whistles and steam. Just hold that thought for a moment and allow your mind to be open like a book or a window.

Letting things in and out, but not stopping anything in particular, simply letting things flow and perhaps just like when you utilize a telescope or a microscope, you need to fine tune the lens. Fine tune the feeling tone, the energy inside, where there might be other times and places where you have watched these steel beasts. And what do you pick up? Just flow with the imagery. What do you pick up?

BRIAN: I pick up…power is the first thing, because of the horsepower…and the sound….the sound and the smells.

KRIS: Indeed, and where do you find yourself? Where are you? What time, what place do you think you are in?

BRIAN: I just pictured…actually away from the electrics to the diesels up at Prospect Park train station watching the Conrail freights come up the hill at night. When they would come up this grade, there were two engines on a freight, they’d be the eighth notch and the whole ground would just shake and there was unbelievable powerful euphoric feeling of just the sheer sound, feel, smell, of these things pulling a freight.

KRIS: Excellent. Now, whilst you are there, open your mind further. More. Search in your mind, just like an internet search engine searches to meet the criteria you have put in the field, in the search field, and in this case you are looking for other times and places, in other times and other places, where you might, as another focus also observe these gigantic steel beasts.

BRIAN: Ahhh…

KRIS: And where do you think you might be? Could it be the old West? Could it be old England during the Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, or perhaps in Europe, or perhaps in India?

BRIAN: Britain would be one….and then…Pennsylvania in the ’30′s or 40′s, watching the steam on the old middle division between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh. I was always drawn to that, even though I’ve never physically been to it….yeah, the Pennsylvania railroad holds a lot of weight in my vibrations.

KRIS: Then, fine tune that particular experience, and as you fine tune it, allow yourself to become more aware of sights, sounds, sensations, impressions. Try to deduce what you are. Are you male, female, young, adult, older?

BRIAN: Male, in his fifties or sixties.

KRIS: And what do you perceive yourself doing then?

BRIAN: Uh…photographing. Photographing the trains. And it’s one day…. the trees are in full bloom, probably in June or July….the smell of the creosote coming off the ties, the honeysuckle near trackside…the smell of the engines and clatter of freight cars and just a simpler time…..and a big car….the cars back then were really big.

KRIS: And what do you sense of this individual’s life? What images or impressions come to you?

BRIAN: Likes to drink. Doesn’t complicate his life too much…married with, I think, a son….is my impression.

KRIS: And what do you sense about his life? Is this individual maybe happy, unhappy? A little bit of both?

BRIAN: I think he’s middle of the road, but he really enjoys the railroad. That’s where he gets a lot of gratification. It fulfills him. It’s out in like Lewistown, out in Cove, Pennsylvania. Middle of Pennsylvania. Mifflin.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, whether this is an actual focus of yours or not, in our eyes, so to speak, may even be irrelevant. What would be interesting for you is the possibility of researching that time period in about that place, that location, and try to find if there indeed was a photographer of old trains. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Yeah. Two names come to mind. Bob Malinowski and Don Ball, were in my mind. Both famous photographers of the railroad. In fact, Bob Malinowski rings really true to me because he writes down engine numbers, car counts, caboose numbers, time, date, and I always adopted his method as my form of logging in the freight trains that I’d catch, that I’d write everything, as much as I could about each individual…..

You know, that’s the impression I got, Kris, when you talked about the powerful feeling…is playing onstage and with the volume, the sound of the band…and luckily, I get to do this every weekend….that’s a real strong sense of power for me, too, playing onstage each week. I love it. I live for it.

KRIS: Indeed. There are many valid reasons for this, one of which, only one of which, there are many , is that whether the performer or performers are actually aware of this or not, whenever someone gets on stage or in front of a crowd, as the actual doer. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Oh, yes.

KRIS: There is an instantaneous rapport with the energetic dynamics of the audience.

BRIAN: Yes!

KRIS: You feel and tap into their energy as they do yours. So there is indeed a kind of energetic exchange with the audience and the performers and that is one of the things that you feel.

BRIAN: And the vibration through the actual playing….when I do a lead, it’s almost other-worldly, because it feels like tapping into a pure energy in sound.

KRIS: It is an energy and it is part of your own passion.

BRIAN: Right.

KRIS: And, in reference to our earlier comment, you may even notice that since you became involved, regardless of whether the relationships were soured or otherwise is not the issue, but since those involvements, you matured in ways unexpected to you and it gave you an emotional foundation that prior to this you may not have recognized or even accepted. Thus, you again utilized those relationships to give you a certain foundation in terms of emotions and this has influenced your passion to play. You convey those human experiences related to love and relationships now much more easily.

BRIAN: Yes! YEAH! You know what? I’m able to talk with people easier. I always felt uncomfortable and you’re absolutely right, ever since the relationships and doing the adventures in practices I found my interaction with people in general, I always used to guard myself, I’m much more open, and I notice I do a lot more eye contact. And you know, Kris, I think the word “compassion,” once I started having compassion for myself, I started having compassion for others, and that opened up a big door.

KRIS: Indeed, because you understand its premise and how important it is for the human experience.

BRIAN: And when you said “the other is you.” When you said the other is you, that really…Boy, that had a deep impact, that every person that comes into your energy field is an aspect of yourself, so how would you deal with yourself?! With honor, love, respect, balance, harmony.

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: There are….the Sisters actually are what changed me around, utilizing Balance and Harmony…and now Helper. You know I told John earlier….you want to hear my Serenity Prayer with Helper? I would love to tell it to you, because it came in the Bardo state on Monday morning.

KRIS: Indeed.

BRIAN: “Helper, grant me the serenity to accept and allow the challenges that I have created to have the most beneficial outcome for myself.”

KRIS: You may even utilize that as one of your EFT exercises every once in a while.

BRIAN: Yes! Yes, you know John and I changed the set-up. Where you have, “Even though I have this challenge, I deeply and completely accept myself”? Well we changed it to “I ALLOW myself to have this challenge and I deeply and completely love, respect, honor and accept myself.”

KRIS: So what is the entire set-up?

BRIAN: The entire set-up would be….well, there’s two, then… “Even though I have this challenge, I ALLOW myself to have this challenge, and I deeply and completely love, respect, honor and accept myself.”

KRIS: Indeed. We trust that you are specific.

BRIAN: Oh yeah, with each challenge? Well, I’m trying to be, Kris, sometimes you have to dig deep to find out the real root cause.

KRIS: And that will come as well, when you do the exercise. And there are times when more comes up than you bargained for.

BRIAN: Yes, yeah I’ve been noticing that too. Kris, in front of me, you know the happiness map that you gave us, with the circles to fill in and so forth. I mean, I have the ideal, neat relationship that I really, really would like to attract into my life and actually there’s a lot of points that I’ve circled that are actually me, you know very stable and consistent, nurturing, compassionate, caring and warm, desires a long-term relationship. How can I draw that, what I really, really desire, a long-term relationship into my life?

KRIS: Begin by BEING the individual you want to draw into your life. And, for example, you can also utilize EFT to bring about resolution for all of those opposing programs to your own ideal sense of self-worth, etc. One of the interesting complications with human beings is that they do want the ideal mate or partner and at the same time they are convinced simultaneously that is what they want, but it is not what they deserve.

BRIAN: I’ve been there before!

KRIS: When one recognizes that there is an interplay and even a polarity of “I am not deserving …” it causes communication to become garbled. So you can utilize EFT to bring back a good flow of energy in your own personal sense of self-worth and worthiness and that will automatically begin the alteration.

BRIAN: Okay. Excellent.

KRIS: And Joseph may be able to point out yet other, smaller details in your handwriting.

BRIAN: Oh, this has been so, so lovely, my friend, thank you. John has called me, he said, I am a beautiful creator and un-creator.

KRIS: Whether one realizes this or not, one is both simultaneously the creator of the world, and the destroyer of the world. The ancient religion of India, which has so many deities, the prime one being Brahma, the creator of the world — not the universe, the world – physical reality — and Shiva, the destroyer of physical reality, are those creative polarities within the higher personality structure…..symbolized in those forms. So those powers indeed do reside within the individual.

BRIAN: Yes. Before me I have your statement from the other day, which I really, really so love, that “I am the essential embodiment of infinite eternal wisdom, knowledge and bliss, the Atman.”

KRIS: Indeed. Sat Chid Ananda Vigraha. Now then, may we inquire as to the time?

BRIAN: The time is 9:18. We still got a few more minutes, actually. Want me to tell you about the five-step allowance program which John and I are creating? Which I am also finding quite well is on the first line is “I’m creating this __.” You set your intention, choose what you desire, relax and allow. Let your natural energy take care of the intent, don’t do anything, the law of attraction will kick in, and when you notice the opportunity, be noticing, then you act. That’s the fifth step.

KRIS: It is a very good beginning.

BRIAN: Cool. Yeah, we’re working on stuff. You know in the few minutes we have left, Carl Wilson from the Beach Boys, he disengaged in 1998, was that a focus of mine, because Man, every time I hear the song “Let the Wind Blow,” from the Live Beach Boys album, I so can picture him singing it and me being on that stage. I’ve always strongly resonated with the Beach Boys, with the harmonies and their music. VERY strongly resonate with the Beach Boys. Is there a focus of mine in that?

KRIS: We do not believe per se, a focus, but there are energetic connections. There is a resonance IN the singer’s voice and the words that reaches a part of you that feels deeply, that lives deeply, that loves deeply, that seem to all three be triggered at once, so his voice resonates with some of those very deep emotions of yours.

BRIAN: Yes! Absolutely, yeah, Carl Wilson’s voice was just absolutely amazing when he would sing. You could feel the love in his singing. In fact he was the one Beach Boy, when he disengaged, everyone said the Beach Boys are done, without Carl Wilson. His voice was just so beautiful.

KRIS: It could be said that he WAS the Beach Boys.

BRIAN: Yes, even though Brian Wilson was the writer, Carl Wilson was the voice of the Beach Boys and of course the band Genesis. That really resonates strongly with myself too. Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins, that music has a very strong impact on me, probably because of the orchestration and the power of it. The word “power” always seems to come back to me, be it the railroads or music, there’s a power element, something larger than life in it, Kris, is why I resonate the most.

KRIS: You noticed that, did you?

BRIAN: Oh yes! I’ve always noticed that. And it’s the power of Self.

KRIS: What would that represent for you?

BRIAN: Bliss. Happiness. Love. The word love. That power, it’s so all-encompassing, there’s so many emotions wrapped into that very thing. It’s like everything all at once in the simultaneous moment, it just crowds into one infinitesimal moment and it’s just the most powerful, blissful happiness. That’s what power means to me, power of Self, just being me. And it’s in those moments where I am just being me. And it’s beautiful.

KRIS: Indeed! Everyone should — do forgive us for utilizing a tabooed word in some circles — but everyone should, periodically, take a moment and simply honor and celebrate who and what they are, simply as an act of acknowledging that which is sacred and divine within.

BRIAN: Yes. Absolutely. And with that, my friend, it is now time.

KRIS: Indeed. Then we thank you dearly for your consideration.

BRIAN: Ah, thank you too, my friend. I always say talking to you is like talking to my best friend, and you are. Thank you so much, I love you much. And I will talk to you soon.

KRIS: And at the same time, utilize the newly emerging state of your boundaries as that will assist in grounding your love so that you are always rooted in the ground of your being.

BRIAN: Thank you! Excellent! I shall, Sir! I shall.

KRIS: And with that, we return Joseph to you.

BRIAN: Okay, thank you, Kris, thank you so much my friend.

(Session ends.)

Shakar – The Pyramid of Perception

February 18, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on February 18, 2007

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Myrna, Barbara, Tom, Paul, Jo, Lisa, Anya, Marcos, Ellen, Jen, Brian, and Cathy

(7:51 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your lovely consideration. For some time now we have been discussing the nature of selfhood, who you are and so on and so forth. We are certain that you all remember some of those things.

(Yes)

Whether you realize this or not, the discussions have also pertained to what is philosophically understood to be dualism and non-dualism and this we believe is quite important to continue delving into. Almost all various religious and philosophical societies situate themselves in one camp or another and as interesting as it is, very often one camp may seek to consider that theirs is the correct perception, whether from the perspective of dualism or non-dualism and it does prove to be a very pretty exercise in philosophizing regardless of the perspective itself.

And in terms of dualism and non-dualism there are still, after many thousands of years, many modern debates as to the validity and the veracity, the authenticity and the authority of who may be correct or not, of which side of the coin may be superior or not, and this does indeed prove most fascinating overall in terms of various philosophies’ outreaches and how individuals assimilate its understanding.

From our perspective we would present for your consideration a different perspective and we will continue unfolding that perspective in bits and pieces and during the Lotus Mind workshop continue unfolding other aspects of it as well.

But suffice it to say that for the moment the great debate in many circles, as to whether dualism and non-dualism is the preferred perspective, it should be understood that those two points of view are reflected upon through conscious and subconscious belief systems and in particular, DUALITY.

But it is in many respects inescapable to some degree, when perceiving the doer and the deed, the thinker and the thought. Thus, behind all of the these various philosophical perspectives, religious or otherwise, and behind the dualism and non-dualistic states for the individual, there is still ANOTHER perspective, ANOTHER point of view that occasionally enters into those religious and philosophical perceptions, but is usually considered as only secondary to the issue at hand, the primary consideration often given to a deity, Divine Being, Divine force of some kind, whether this Divine force is observed through the lenses of dualism or non-dualism and our humble contention is that there is another aspect to the issue, as we just mentioned it is often given only secondary consideration, and this in Sanskrit can be said as “Atman Sat Chid Ananda Vigraha” which means “the embodiment, or essence, of eternal wisdom, knowledge and bliss.” Nature.

And this core within the complexities that make up the material representation of eternal wisdom, knowledge and bliss is often considered to be hidden, covered over by illusion, sensory illusion and according to many traditions religious or philosophical is meant to be in the service of a higher power, force or being.

It is our contention that for millennia upon millennia, the Atman has been considered a secondary perspective to a higher force or power that over many millennia, various factions, philosophies and religious societies or organizations have instilled philosophies, points of view that actually hide the true knowledge of, again, the true individual. And by this we mean that awakening, whether you consider it to be equal to enlightenment, illumination or otherwise, even remembrance, is and will continue to be what each individual searches for.

What you see in the morning, or whenever you happen to look in the mirror and you interpret as yourself, has been known for millennia that this is not your true self and many of you are familiar to one degree or another that your physical form is not who you are. Would you agree?

(Yes)

Indeed. And as you are, and have been learning for some time through various sources, you are beginning to recognize this not merely as an intellectual and philosophical exercise, but as an actual fact. And as some of you have been working with us for some time, especially over the last several months, you are discovering that many of the things that you may have accumulated and acquired throughout your life or your lives really have very little to do with you specifically.

And you are learning to recognize that you are none of those things, that you are something else entirely different. The series of sessions entitled “Who Are You?” provided many tools in a practical upfront manner for you to recognize many of these situations. And along the way, some of you have even recognized as a result that you can actually practice a form of dispassionate observance, correct?

(Yes)

It may not be your regular state of awareness, but when you do remember it, it can prove to be an extremely effective and even powerful state, enabling you to no longer become overly entangled in the energies and momentums of situations that you create. Is that also correct?

(Yes)

MYRNA: Getting better.

KRIS: Indeed, it is always in a state of evolution and there is no right or wrong with this. You progress as you need and as you allow because you are recognizing that it is indeed a matter of choice. This state that pertains to the Atman, the Self, can be cultivated even more so than you may have thought possible and furthermore the Atman itself, the Self itself, does exist in a state slightly removed even from either dualism or non-dualism.

It is a third state, unique to itself, but at the same time or simultaneously is aware of the various belief systems needed to engender events, circumstances and situations as projections of energy, but it is not imprisoned by those states but utilizes them for choice and experience. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Within, and this is an extraordinarily over-used term, but within the being that you know as yourselves, which is a state of expression, there is a central core, a perspective of observation that can be tapped into, that can be reconciled with, in a manner of speaking, and utilized to give yourselves as interactive energies in such a manner that you can make your journeys more in line with your own desired state.

Ancient philosophers from all ages have often debated this particular issue or question or point and hundreds if not thousands of perspectives have been brought forth, entire religious bodies have been created, time and space have resulted as the framework for the experiences as has your own distinct individual personalities. And all of this energy comes from the very core of your being that which you refer to as Essence, which itself is completely outside the continuum of time and space as you understand these things.

This Atman, spoken of in some of the most ancient writings on your world, still seems unattainable, questionable and perhaps even a philosophical ideal when it is fueled only from the perspective of dualism versus non-dualism.

But there is, as we suggested then, this third perspective which is very different and we have hinted of it for well over one year now in various small discussions, and it truly is a matter of perspective. And that perspective can indeed not specifically transcend dualism or non-dualism but actually embrace BOTH, because dualism and non-dualism are the result of the Atman’s own perceptions.

And we do, to a certain degree, apologize if we sound very abstract this evening but indeed the very subject matter itself proposes to address the most abstract concept of all human philosophies: the Self. Is there such a thing as the Self?

And we can show you that there is. The Self IS consciousness and what is its immediate product? Awareness of Self, even if that awareness is directed to…we will simply say: the outermost regions of its reach, meaning the materialistically-oriented aspects of awareness, there is still that awareness.

But awakening, enlightenment, illumination, and so on, does begin when the individual Expression questions its own nature and begins to ask “What am I? Who am I? Am I something more than my arms, my legs, my face, my thoughts, my mind? And if so, who and what am I?”

And when such inquiries begin to knock at the door, you inevitably begin to also manifest various gradations or degrees of answers, as you allow. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And you do so through various stages. The Atman, the embodiment of “Sat Chid Ananda,” the eternal knowledge, wisdom and bliss – Essence – may project hundreds, even thousands, of expressions that gradually each seek to unfold and ask their own questions, inquiries, and manifest their answers.

And still, Self is more than all of the answers together, just as you are more than the sum of all of your parts because these various answers that you harvest through your choices and experiences are ultimately during your interactions with the world of the physical senses.

That is not your only possibility. Since there is always and already what is, since you ARE in one of many stages of awakening, today’s answers will only reveal more depth tomorrow. And tomorrow’s answers and questions will reveal more the day after, in that sense of the word. So you utilize all of your abilities, varying degrees and awarenesses, all depending upon where you are with yourself, and you continue to do that in various stages of understanding.

Now Joseph was puzzled by a word that we ever so innocently dropped into his pool of awareness, which caused some small ripples that landed on the shore of his own awareness. And that word was, or is, “Sakhara,” as in the ancient Egyptian step pyramid: a Sakhara.

And we titillated his inquiring mind with this for a specific point. Now of course, many of you have seen pictures of this ancient step pyramid in Sakhara in Egypt, and the idea and concept we presented to Joseph, though he is not completely aware of its extent and that we are now presenting to your lovely selves, is that even though you may like to think of your own development/evolution as you might like to see it, as a rather straight line, may not be so straightforward after all.

Now of course, we do understand that in terms of some kind of progression, whatever attributes you attach to the word, you do like to envision, for the most part, that your progression is rather simple and follows a very nice, rational, linear progression, perhaps from a state where you would have considered yourselves to be less aware, to a state where you consider yourselves to be MORE aware than when you were less aware. And to your minds this makes perfect sense. It seems rather logical in that manner. We hope Mr. Spock forgives us!

However, if you do take the time to examine how your progressions in that sense, actually function, you may come to realize that it is not necessarily as straight and narrow and linear in progression as you like to consider. That your journeys actually include many pit stops, many highs and lows, and that you have understandings of many kinds as well. That is rather a mixed bag of sorts.

That may give you a clue that very often, in insisting that you maintain this nice, linear type of progression from less aware to more aware, you may also simultaneously censor from your perception so much more of your experiences that also fall into the category of those experiential journeys that lead to awareness in many different perspectives, that may include so many side journeys and detours that you simply have forgotten to pay attention.

And these are not always displayed in the physical themselves, but in the realm of your own perceptions and even some subconscious ones. Thus, what we are attempting to present is a different model than the one which states it must either be dual or non-dual, differentiated, non-differentiated, right or wrong, good or bad.

And though words themselves do in some respect fall very short because the state itself is somewhat beyond words and even syntax, but belongs to this abstract state of Self or Atman. And it can be so much broader than anything you may have considered up to date.

We will give it then, a name. You are entirely free to utilize it or not, but we will refer to it as “Sakhar.” (Spells it) S-A-K-H-A-R. Sakhar. Simply to illustrate then, that the avenues of perception that are utilized by Self really have little to do with any preconceived notions of any linear type of progressions, however you define that term, but are so multi-faceted that it does illustrate itself as a multi-sided, multi-stepped pyramid of perception.

And depending upon your attention, you can be on any side, any step, any angle, of that multi-faceted, multi-stepped, multi-sided pyramid of perception and not one position on this imagery is necessarily better or worse than any other. The point being that you simply recognize that you are then, on a specific point of perception. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

And nothing in your world as you perceive it from that perspective is necessarily better or worse, but that it simply IS. This would also mean that YOU as an individual are not better or worse than anyone else, but that you ARE. Does that also make sense to you?

(Yes)

What would you conceive implications of this to be? (To Mark) You may open the lovely telephone lines.

MARK: Lines are open.

KRIS: Did you understand some of these ideas?

(Some people call out “yes.”)

What would you consider as an implication to utilizing such a perspective?

TOM: That it’s always a process and never in a state of completion?

KRIS: Excellent! Very good point.

JOHN: That I’m not only not any worse or better than anybody else, but I’m no better or worse than I was yesterday or will be tomorrow.

KRIS: Excellent. Please continue.

MARK: I had the thought about what happens when I get to the top of the pyramid that I realize it’s just another point of perception.

KRIS: Indeed!

CATHY: Kris, could the top of the pyramid be the equivalent of what you taught us in the Essence Samadhi practice? In other words, with [this] multi-perspective [you are suggesting] you could incorporate and embrace dualism and non-dualism and any other kind of perspective. If you were to just simply open to the Essence Samadhi practice, you’d be at the top of that Sakhara pyramid at the same time you’d be at the bottom of the pyramid, too.

KRIS: Indeed! Because YOU ARE THE PYRAMID!

CATHY: Right.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue. (Pause) We may ask specific individuals to continue!

(Nervous giggling from some of us.)

MARK: (Laughing) From a day-to-day experience or expression, I would have to say that that changes EVERYTHING. No right, no wrongi , it’s all a matter of perspectives and at what point you are on that pyramid changes how you would relate to the events, circumstances, and conditions as well as the other people or expressions that you encounter.

KRIS: One does have to exercise a certain amount of discernment, such as [when] utilizing “no right,” and “no wrong.”

MARK: Agreed.

KRIS: We are specifically talking about a state of Being and perception and it does not apply in that way to the laws and the rules that govern your societies. That is another specific point of perception. You are interacting with that word. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps Janaki would enjoy putting in a grain or two of salt?

PAUL: I just wanted to comment that….Oh jeez, it’s a big topic you’ve opened….well, as far as there being no good and bad, we’ve dealt with that with “Rose-Colored Glasses,” so …

KRIS: Indeed!

PAUL: You’re not suddenly opening up the gates to extreme relativism and “nothing is anything and anything goes”.

KRIS: That is correct.

PAUL: Also just in my studies of Vedanta, I’m aware of a progression from physical to mental to subtle then to formless awareness…and it’s presented as a progression in Framework One focus terms but then at the top of that pyramid, there is a fourth or fifth state called Turiya Tita, which implies what you introduced tonight, and it’s essentially the ground of all Being, the Atman, the absolute, the eternal, and it’s that in the world of form simultaneously. Is that in the ballpark?

KRIS: That is good!

(Everyone chuckles, Paul included)

We consider that Turiya Tita and other similar presentations are themselves other points at various stages and steps of this multi-faceted, multi-layered, multi-stepped pyramid of perception.

PAUL: That’s very helpful in helping to move forward and interpreting, and it’s just beautiful, the dissertation you gave, was very beautiful to me and covered a lot of ground and it’s pregnant with a lot of meaning and potentials for moving forward, too, so I just want to thank you.

KRIS: We did make an attempt, however humble, to be as integrative as possible!

(Group laughter)

PAUL: (Chuckling) And that’s much appreciated! I think what we’re talking about, you know, in terms of what we loosely call non-dual conscious creation, at least to introduce duality, non-duality, something that’s not in the Seth material explicitly, or in the Elias material explicitly and some of us are ready to move into that area and I suspect in various altered states and other perceptions will occur down the road in this group if we’re doing the practices together, sharing and continuing to share our experiences. And I know that you’ve craftily set up the June workshop very well and I’m looking to moving forward this year towards that event.

KRIS: We believe that having had a few eons of experiences may have come in handy.

(Group cracks up)

PAUL: Indeed!

ELLEN: (Jokingly) How many quadrillion years was that again, Paul?

PAUL: (Laughs)

BARBARA: Another implication would be, to me, [is] not jumping over two steps to get to the top of the pyramid. Not to rush.

KRIS: Indeed, taking one step at a time.

MARK: And enjoying it.

KRIS: Though you do realize that you will always be exactly where you need to be and once you are there, what will you find but yourself?

MARK: Also, you said that we don’t follow the straight line [and] we take all these pit stops. I was reminded of the analogy of the silence between the notes in an orchestration and how important they are.

KRIS: Indeed. Your entire experience of selfhood is part of your expansion in consciousness, whatever that may be to you and whatever it is as an experience. But again, as Joseph pointed out in a writing, if you see the mudslide coming off the mountain top it does not mean that you have to stay in its path, like a deer in the headlights. You can choose to move away to higher ground. So you are not bound by fate in that manner. You are only bound by your abilities of consciousness. That is your ONLY responsibility and expectation. Are there other observations?

PAUL: Just one more question: I wanted to try and tie a comment this evening into a current topic on Newwworldview.com in the Sethnet forum, that’s basically called “Who is the ‘you’ in you create your reality,” a theme we’ve been exploring related to your “Who Are You?” sessions and whatnot….I’ve just come up with a simple, over-simplified sort of expression of Atman as “I-I-I” and I imagine that Serge has been reading some of my writings in this area so I just wanted to ask you if you would generally confirm or deny from your perspective that what I’m calling “I-I-I” does represent some form of or a valid expression of what you’re calling “Atman.”ii

KRIS: Indeed it does represent various points of view on this pyramid of perception and even though you have only stated three stages, they are themselves quite valid as a foothold in understanding. They are not to be diminished but understood to be ideas, models, because you do need them, you work from them and continue your explorations. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Exactly. It’s a map, a simplified map and we always add a disclaimer that it is not the territory, but it is a point of departure for further exploration.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: It’s also an attempt to explain in very simplified terms what scientist’s term “Occam’s Razoriii, ” — you know, E equals MC squared — to try and simplify a great truth into its simplest elements and then we can expand it back up to 16, 17, 25 level stages, intermediaries too, as necessary.

KRIS: Indeed. Especially since you engage, not you specifically, but your species engages various belief systems and again in particular, duality, which in certain terms also includes that for every action there is at least one or more reaction, correct?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: That is the true meaning of the word Karma at its base level. This means that within your physical experiences you may come up with a solution to a challenge only to discover that the solution may present its own unique challenge for which you will come up with a solution to discover that this too, in some ways, may present at least one unique challenge, to which you will find a solution only to discover that….and so on and so forth.

That is one of your and do forgive us for utilizing a word that is often considered anathema, but it is one of your learning processes, your points of perception. Does this also make sense to you?

PAUL: Yes.

MYRNA: Kris, one of the topics on Newworldview right now is about global warming.

KRIS: Indeed!

MYRNA: And I’d like to understand a pyramid of perception if I use this as an example: In material reality, the ice caps are melting is one perception. The other perception I might have is that melting is something going on in me and it’s reflected out as ice caps melting. What might a third perception be? I’m really trying to follow this and make it real for me.

KRIS: Indeed, it is possible that your attempts at understanding might a little too literal. It may not necessarily be that the ice caps melting might be something melting in you, but that the whole challenge that is represented by global warming with all of its multi-faceted factors, because there are many factors involved and essentially the greatest factor is human activity.

That may represent for you what YOUR activities illustrate for you in terms of a member of the human race. What do you feel or sense regarding being a member of the human race? And you do not have to answer us. These are simply doorways to inquiries. What does it mean to you to be a member of the species? Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yes, but so far I’ve heard two perspectives. We’re talking about a third?

KRIS: It’s not merely related to global warming.

MYRNA: Oh, I understand that.

KRIS: Our presentation was an attempt to bring you to a place within where you are again dispassionately removed from either dualism or non-dualism, so that both can be observed for what they are, so that you are that third element: The Self. And not necessarily drawn into either camp.

MYRNA: Okay, got it. Got it.

KRIS: And at the same time, both are merely points of perceptions on this pyramid. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Yes, in a strange way.

KRIS: Indeed. Flip your abstract switch on.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Now then, what is the time?

MARK: 8:58.

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break as abstract or not as you wish to make it.

(Break begins at 8:58 PM.)

JOHN: I like the pyramid [illustration]. What occurred to me was, you know, “Let’s make it up that pyramid,” right? Normally you think of starting at the bottom and going to the top, but what I figured out from what he was saying was – and thank you, Barb, for your comment, wherever you are on the pyramid, suddenly has more honor.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Because the whole pyramid is the thing, right? Where you are is just where you are.

MARK: (Chuckling) Even if you’re underneath the base!

JOHN: The other thing that struck me was, let’s say you’re on one of the steps, right? We normally think, go to the top, right? That’s the whole deal, you go to the top, but it’s perfectly valid to go around on that one step, for instance, or to even go down, there’s no … [pauses]

MARK: That was my point, that once you get to the top or even happen to be at the top, that’s just one point, so your next step isn’t an up or a down, a left or a right, in a forward or a backward position, it’s another step, PERIOD.

PAUL: Well, and Cathy pointed out that paradoxically, like a Mobius strip, the top is also the bottom. That’s the non-dual, non-differentiated aspect of it … the formless, unitary aspect. It’s radically non-dual. There’s no top, bottom, in or out or up and down, there’s just Self. But what Kris is kind of pointing out is that that’s not the final evolutionary goal, so to speak, which is a question I might be able to get in on the second part.

JOHN: What he seems to be suggesting, Paul, is that the pyramid is actually growing…..because of the fact that it is constantly changing, we’re changing so we’re continually adding new…..it’s not that the pyramid is getting higher, but it’s growing from the center out, so….I got to make a drawing of this pyramid. The pyramid is fun…

MARK: There are always new perspectives being built into the pyramid.

PAUL: Dual terms, and the dualistic terms in the world of form and becoming and evolution…..yeah, ever-changing, ever-becoming. And if there’s an aspect that’s eternally, radically prior to all of that, it’s very difficult to put into language. It’s within….it’s Atman. It’s that Self that’s within all of us, that consciousness, too. All this stuff is implicit in the Seth material. Kris is the first one who’s starting to make it explicit, to take it to that place.

JOHN: Paul, I’m just reading the early Seth sessions, and in the second volume, quite early on, Seth has this fascinating discussion where he talks about layers. He says that when we close our eyes, inside of us is our own personality at the upper-most layer, beneath that is a layer of racial stuff, beneath that is a layer of blueprint kind of stuff, and that is accessible to anybody as a part of the Self…underneath the layers that he talked about is this primal layer of….the truth…that is eternal, just sitting there for the asking, waiting for us to access it.

PAUL: Yeah, that’s your Akashic records imagery, that’s a reflection of Harmonic…that concept…right? Jung’s collective unconscious…all that. That’s just for this Quadrant One in Kris’ terms….but that’s the map, that’s all waiting for us to discover it, us explorers of consciousness.

MARK: I’m reminded of a walk I had with Kris where he talked about these primordial pools of consciousness.

JOHN: It kind of makes you want to go home and root around in the basement!

(Laughter)

(Kris returns at 9:09 PM)

MARK: I’m leaving the phone lines open.

KRIS: Now we trust that the previous discourse has not proven too abstract for any of you, however, once in a while, a little abstractism is quite healthy. Are there any questions on this subject?

PAUL: Kris, I have just one follow-up on what we were discussing during break, and that is, given in this pyramid of perception of consciousness that there are dual states and stages and non-dual states and this third perspective of perhaps a mixture or blending of both, therefore the ultimate goal or direction is not to just a non-dual….that is, we come into a duality of an Essence and then Essence bodies, into a duality of focuses and so on, and then we kind of return to this non-dual….there’s a directionality of a return to this non-dual. There is some truth to that, but that’s not the ultimate expression of this, is it?

KRIS: That is correct, and this is the part that is most difficult to put into syntax. Even the ordinary individual may have a great deal of difficulty grasping the concept of non-dualism, never mind moving in another direction away from this into a state that can embrace BOTH stages of dualism and non-dualism. That can only come from core self – Atman that can dispassionately observe both stages of dualism and non-dualism. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes, and would you also characterize that…there’s a term for that called “the Witness,” witnessing consciousness and so forth, is that in a similar state of being?

KRIS: It can indeed apply. The aspect of Witness is even found within the structure of the human personality. Many people are quite aware that they do have a plateau where they are also the observer of themselves. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Now, this may be both healthy and unhealthy, depending on its application. Specifically at the layer of the human personality it can be used as an escape mechanism, sometimes for the preservation of the individual, but it can also be utilized as a means to actually disengage from one’s own feelings, which can prove unhealthy in the long run. Do you also follow?

PAUL: Oh yes, yes, I’m glad to hear you describing potential pathology as well as potential health.

KRIS: Now, that aspect that is oriented towards physical experience has to deal with duality and its many interactions, correct?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: However, its roots, the roots of the observer within it are found deep within Self. But the Witness has Source as Self: Atman. Does that answer your inquiry?

PAUL: Yes, thank you very much.

KRIS: For all intents and purposes, the entire manifestation of the physical universe and each individual’s own interpretation of reality does fluctuate between various stages of dualism and non-dualism, but that third perspective, the pyramid perspective, pyramid of Self, can reconcile those two stages….and we use the word STAGES, do you follow?

PAUL: Generally, yes. I don’t think of non-duality in terms of stages, so that’s an interesting twist.

MYRNA: Kris, why do you use the word “stages”?

KRIS: Indeed! Because BOTH are by-products of Self. Self is neither dual nor non-dual. When you examine the precepts of any philosophical angle concerning dualism and non-dualism, you can only do so from the perspective of the finite, the temporal seeking understanding of the infinite, eternal Sat Chid Ananda: eternal wisdom, knowledge and bliss.

(Some chuckling bemusement over the Sanskrit words, so Kris spells them out) First word “Atman” A-T-M-A-N. Second word: S-A-T. Third word: C-H-I-D. Last word: “Ananda” A-N-A-N-D-A. Sat Chid Ananda. And the other word we utilized is “Vigraha,” NOT Viagra! (Riotous laughter) V-I-G-R-A-H-A. It means the embodiment, the essential embodiment of eternal knowledge. wisdom and bliss, which is Atman: the Self.

So does this answer your inquiry concerning why we utilize the word “stages” in reference to dualism and non-dualism, and does it make sense?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Does Janaki also concur?

PAUL: In a ballpark way, yes. What I’m still not clear on would be more specific stage model, stage ideas, but generally I have an idea, yes. I’d like to know more at some point about the specific stages and their relationship and their unfolding.

KRIS: Indeed then, perhaps we can suggest this as your particular small challenge.

PAUL: All right-y then!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: Leave that to Paul, right?

KRIS: Correct.

MYRNA: (Laughing) Did you catch the ball, Paul?

PAUL: Absolutely, I’ve been running with it for a couple of years (Laughs), so it’s just a continuation of my work.

KRIS: Shara-Leene, we could also re-phrase that question as that you are also feeling gladly non-dualistic right now!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: (Chuckling) I am!

KRIS: Again, simply to re-iterate: the human race has been wrestling with these questions for a long time in those terms. And by any means, we do not claim to be presenting the final answer or solution because it cannot be viewed in that way.

There, in some ways, will never be a final, specific reconciliation at that particular layer on that point within the perspective pyramid, simply because Self, as we have described it using Sanskrit words, “Sat Chid Ananda Vigraha” [or] eternal wisdom, knowledge and bliss….we could also add the word “infinite”, Self is therefore beyond both stages of dualism and non-dualism.

(Forcefully) It will keep generating inquiries which will require races and species of Beings to keep exploring the paradigm itself. Does that make sense to you? Consider the implications of this. Do you follow?

MYRNA: [Whispering] The witness has a source inside of Self.

Indeed! Bigger than Wal-Mart.

(Laughter)

MARK: Your choice, your use of the word “reconcile”….that’s just to create balance, an understanding of both and beyond?

KRIS: That is correct. Far too many individuals, groups, societies, nations even, religions, philosophies create disparity, separation. That one must be this or that which falls in line with the influences of duality belief system. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

But you ARE beyond these things as Self. You utilize it to create those unique challenges that generate momentum and experiences. In many ways, we then urge you to remember that regardless of the challenge you have set for yourselves (Loudly), NO CHALLENGE can be bigger than you! NO REALITY IS BIGGER THAN THE REALITY OF SELF, OF YOU. And if you do happen to remember this, you will also remember that you are INFINITE, ETERNAL knowledge, wisdom and bliss: Atman, SELF! How can then a small challenge, regardless of its nature, ever be insurmountable?

ELLEN: A piddling challenge!iv (Laughing)

(Group laughter.)

KRIS: Indeed! Whether you piddle or not!

(Laughter)

You DO have, as you have stated, Kwaa’Ji, ALL individuals have the innate abilities and resources to deal with their challenges in one way or another. And what it comes down to at its most basic, common denominator is the individual’s ability to choose what he or she will do. Thus, choose remembrance that you are not your physical forms.

The physical form can be, according to some schools of thought, whether it be Advaita, Dvaita, or Vedanta or any other, the physical form can be considered illusory in that it is temporary, but it is still filled with its own realism because it is projected directly from Self and all attributes of that personality that you are, are expressions of Self. So enjoy your eternal Sat Chid Ananda nature of infinite, eternal wisdom, knowledge and bliss. Is that not what you seek?

ELLEN: Totally.

KRIS: Emphasis on the bliss part?

ELLEN: Oh yeah!

KRIS: Indeed! Because that is innate, it IS the nature of Essence! You experience it through sensory pleasure, but as you discover that you are more than your bodies, sensory pleasures are fine, you know how to enjoy them, but you do not necessarily become entirely consumed by them. You know as an eternal being, that though sensory pleasures are a fine thing indeed, there are pleasures that are also relevant to within. That which IS already was deep within your being. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

And with that we leave you with a simple thought, a question, perhaps: Who are you, really? And a blessed good dream to you all.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session does not end at 9:32 PM)

SERGE: I feel as if my brain has been stretched!

(Exclamations of surprise)

MYRNA: We don’t usually hear you say something like that.

SERGE: I’m still sort of in that atmosphere. Wow.

MARK: It was a biggie! Infinite wisdom, knowledge and bliss…

[Paul's Note: During this ending part of our conversation I brought up the notion of STATES and STAGES in relation to dual and non-dual states. This triggered a pop-in by Kris.v ]

(Kris comes back to comment at 9:49 P M.)

KRIS: Now, do forgive our impromptu visit but it is an important point to bring up in the mentioning of the third sleep body, or dream body, the formless form. That is highly relevant in that it exists at all times. It is both a state and a stage in that it can be utilized even in those periods where the individual is awake in the classic sense but is detached from his or her sensory interactions, such as in an extremely deep meditative or hypnotic state.

In dreams that formless form is always available whether, in actuality the individual is dreaming or not. And it is, then, a point of perception yet far removed from both previous states or even stages. From that perspective, a completely different perception is available, one that necessarily embraces all previous states and stages.

In a crude analogy, consider that you may have a CD player, then you may have a CD burner, which will also play CD’s, but will not play or burn DVD’s, but you may have a DVD player which will also burn CD’s and play CD’s. And then you may also have a DVD burner which will play DVD’s, will burn CD’s and play CD’s, embracing all previous. Does that analogy make sense?

PAUL: Yes, it does to me.

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: In that way, that third formless form embraces both dual and non-dual stages. However, it too is removed from both previous states and stages and it can be purely a point of perception. Does that bring about a clearer understanding?

(Yes)

Thus you have on the other side of the issue as well, something we have talked about before, the Bardo state, the in-between stages, that area from one to another, from A to B, so to speak, from waking to sleeping states. But the Bardo state in itself must also be a unique state which implies that there is still another behind it that allows all three now. Does that also philosophically make some sense?

(Yes)

Because you cannot observe the Bardo state unless you are something else, correct?

(Yes)

In so many sweet words, then, this is our attempt to bring to you perception of what else you are beyond anything you can define for yourselves, merely as another portal to entirely new sets of adventures.

MYRNA: Kris there is one sort of dangling thread here, and Paul mentioned it a few minutes ago and it’s not for tonight, but the concept of Karma would be an interesting topic some night.

KRIS: Indeed! It is…karmically phenomenal!

(Chuckling)

Think for a moment that as Self, as Atman, the essential embodiment of eternal infinite wisdom, knowledge and bliss and what that creates. Just as the bee cannot prevent itself from gathering pollen or the wind and the breeze from caressing the leaves, so Self, being its infinitely lovely nature, cannot prevent itself from being in all of its wondrous infinite capacities. That is its nature.

MYRNA: So…infinite, eternal knowledge, wisdom and bliss is constantly changing.

KRIS: (Softly but intently) Yes!

MYRNA: There is no ending…I mean we don’t –

KRIS: (Caressing the words) That is its nectar! That is its Rasa!

MYRNA: And we together are forming this.

KRIS: As Self, yes.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: That is your collective Rasa-Lila, your eternal blissful dance.

MYRNA: So the remembering, when I hear the word remembering, it’s almost, it’s…the remembering…it’s not static here.

KRIS: Correct.

MARK: Nothing ever is. It’s constantly changing.

KRIS: Just as you are, even a personality, always changing….(Pause)…Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: It…I…yes, it does. Paul used the word “directional,” and I don’t know where that fits for me, around directional. I don’t know…I mean I know what the word means, but in terms of….where this is all going…I don’t know if I’d use the word directional.

PAUL: Stages, in purely Quadrant One terms — acorn, sapling, tree — there’s a directionality we can observe in our experience there, and then in collective terms over long stretches of time for focuses, there is a similar directionality that, though as Kris said, is not explicitly linear. There is some linearity, but overall, it’s non-linear.

MARK: There is a momentum.

MYRNA: Momentum I get. The word momentum I get.

MARK: And…Now the momentum is going in a direction. If you look at an overview of society or an overview of Myrna, you have a momentum in the direction of…as a parent. That’s fairly linear from Kris’ perspective, but from Myrna’s perspective, there’s a direction.

KRIS: That is one of the by-products of your lovely ego construction. And it is necessary that you have a sense of linearity. That gives your momentum some direction, but if you observe that momentum and its direction from Self’s perspective, it is a much wider avenue and it is many avenues simultaneously. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yes.

ELLEN: I think a lot of tonight’s discussion kind of went over my head with all of the terminology and everything, but what I kept mulling over all night long was how the focus personality comes to know Atman, or Essence. And I kept going over the various…some of the methods Kris had offered over the past couple of years, and also methods I have uncovered myself….such as, Kris once spent a session talking about body signals, such as eyelid twitching – which I get a lot – and ringing in the ears, that kind of stuff.

Noticing….Paul talked about witnessing…what do you notice…things like signs and symbols in everyday life…Music that you hear. I think Emmy’s Sumari singing and Jane Roberts’ Sumari singing, there is a depth of knowledge you can get out of these songs if you simply follow the associations and the symbology you get from listening to this kind of music.

There’s other…different forms of meditation …I’ve been practicing chakra meditation. All kinds of sensory information will bring you closer to communication with your own Essence….I don’t know…these are just the things that have been running through my head. I don’t understand all the terminology: dualism and non-dualism, differentiation and non-differentiation, I think this all boils down to: How do you get in touch with your true Self?

How do you get in touch with your authentic Self, and I think that so much of this discussion kind of leads away from understanding how you get in touch with your authentic Self. I don’t know….that’s just the way I perceive it to be…it’s an individual journey. I understand that, but….

PAUL: It’s just part of the map, Ellen. If you conceptualize it as just the map, the map is never the territory it tries to describe. That’s all this evening has been. It’s a clarification of the map, states and stages, Self, Atman and so forth, that’s all it is. It’s up to us to explore that territory through our direct experience.

ELLEN: And that’s what I think I’m saying: It’s WALKING the map.

MYRNA: Right.

PAUL: But we want a good map.

KRIS: And there are times when one’s own personal experiences seem somewhat abstract and distant from the usual self. But one’s self is often much more than the black and white one would like to deal with at all times.

There are often shades of gray within one’s own color schemes that need to be incorporated, but this does not in any way, shape or form, diminish the more tactile, visceral and honored system that provide the avenues of communication from Self. This should also not be put aside or discounted merely because there is a discourse on more abstract sense of communication. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: Both systems are entirely valid. Our only ultimate point is that there can still be yet another, third perspective that embraces all aspects.

MYRNA: Actually I think I heard Ellen say that as she described — forgive me, Ellen — I heard Ellen say that as she described her desire to know Essence or Self, and it’s not a theoretical journey and I’m doing a lot of projection here, because this is the path I want to walk, too. It’s getting to know Self.

ELLEN: Yeah, yeah…yeah, I think that’s…you’re saying what I’m trying to express.

MYRNA: So, I…I appreciate hearing again, that perspective. It’s almost like a camera…NLP talks about that camera up on the ceiling, right? And you’re looking down and you’re seeing duality and non-duality. You see them both. I think for me, Kris and again, I appreciate this conversation, and it’s like, okay, on a minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day basis what does that mean, how do I feel, what does it feel to be Self…

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: And I hear you saying that’s the tactile experience and every now and again it’s great to have this thrown back in from a….I don’t know what you’d call it…another perspective.

KRIS: Left field.

(Group chuckling)

MYRNA: Yeah, left field.

KRIS: It is up to you to catch the ball….any way you can. Now, with that, we will leave all of you lovely Atmans to your utmost potential.

ALL: Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed then.

(Evening ends at 10:08)

Endnotes

i MARK’S NOTE: Just to be clear, when I say that there is no write or wrong, I am not making an absolute statement. In the physical world, we have rules, we have laws that govern us and there are such things as crimes that range from petty theft to grand larceny, from assault to murder. From that perspective there IS such a thing as right and wrong.

My comment of no right or wrong is from the perspective of beliefs. My beliefs are not better than yours. My place on the pyramid is not better than anyone else’s and my beliefs cannot be right and another’s wrong. They are just merely different.

ii PAUL’S NOTE: For more information, see: I-I-I.

iii ELLEN’S NOTE: Occam’s razor (also spelled Ockham’s razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or “shaving off”, those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

iv ELLEN’S NOTE: My comment refers to a phrase I used on Newworldview two days earlier in which I asserted that as Earth gods and goddesses and stewards of the world, there is no problem that we cannot solve, including that of global warming, which I wryly referred to as a “piddling issue”.

v PAUL’S NOTE: Essentially, STATES are something we cycle through every twenty-four hours, waking, dreaming, and deep dreamless (formless), also meditative, altered, etc. STAGES, on the other hand, are permanent, for example, acorn, sapling, and tree. They are not reversible in purely Framework 1 terms.

As Ken Wilber says, STATES are free, but STAGES are earned, which simply means that STATES occur all the time, but authentic, transformative STAGES occur rarely during our physical lifetimes.

Both work together in terms of dual and nondual perceptions. The key is that our overall STAGE of development will color our translation of any altered STATE, and those STAGES range generally from egocentric (me), ethnocentric (us/family), sociocentric (us/company/country), worldcentric (all of us), to Kosmocentric (all sentient beings). Note that each STAGE “transcends yet includes” the previous in an ever widening awareness and embrace of All-That-Is.

Finally, I also mentioned that Seth talked about three forms of the astral body, each one increasingly inward focused away from physical constructions and perception. And in the third form we can experience formless STATES.

The following is early material from Seth to Jane Roberts and Robert Butts so it’s not definitive, but lays an important foundation outlining at least three forms of astral bodies nested within our physical body. Interestingly, the third and most inward body includes formless STATES and possibly STAGES.

Note Seth’s use of the words “stage” and “development” throughout. Clearly, Seth has a developmental lens in presenting this map of consciousness:

“The third form we may call the true projection form. In it, it is possible to travel beyond your solar system, and to perceive the past, present and future of other systems as well as your own.

“The form that you use does not dictate the various abilities. You don the particular form in line with your abilities. You do the best you can, in other words. It is possible to begin an experience in one form, and change to another, or to go from the first to the third. On such occasions you must therefore, you see, pass through in reverse direction. The forms do merely represent various stages of consciousness.” ~ The Early Sessions, Vol. 6, Session 261, May 23, 1966, p.180.

“We have explored the various forms in which you may travel. I have also told you that the form in which you find yourself can be a tip-off to you. If your levitation experience seems to carry you outside of your solar system, then you know that you are using the third form, and that your abilities for the time are almost limitless, comparatively speaking. Any image that you see in any case must be accepted. Now, physically speaking it does no good to call such images hallucinations, for they are no more hallucinations than the chair in which my friend Ruburt [Jane] now sits.

“… Ruburt [Jane] told one of your friends to respect physical reality. Whether or not the automobile is a sensory hallucination, it can kill you, he said. And I tell you, whether or not these images are hallucinations, they can be dangerous, and you must respect the reality in which they exist.

“… Then, I want to be sure that you realize that some of these constructions that you will encounter will belong to another system. They will not be your own constructions. You are safe as long as you do not meddle. You may explore, and freely, and that is all.” ~ The Early Sessions, Vol. 6, Session 265, June 6, 1966, p.208-209.

“You remember that I listed briefly the three forms that you use during your projections. Now I will also say that in the first form you usually use certain inner senses; in the second form you use more of these, you see, and in the third form you make an attempt to use all of them, though very rarely is this successful.

“You should find it interesting, when you note waking or dream projections, to notice the overall form of perception that you seem to be using. You will automatically shield yourself in a large measure from stimuli that is too strong for your own rate of development. This balancing attempt may lead to an unevenness of experience during any given projection.

“As you know however, it is almost impossible for you to be aware of the full perceptions possible, for the ego would never stand for it. Oftentimes, even in simple dreams, you feel concepts, you understand a particular piece of information, without a word having been spoken.” ~ The Early Sessions, Vol. 6, Session 268, June 15, 1966, p 238-239.

“In the first form, you can look back, and see your body. If you project from this form into another in order to intensify your experience, then from this second form you will not see your body upon the bed.

“You will be aware however of your body, and you will experience some duality. In the third form you will no longer be aware that your body is on the bed, and you will not see it.

“In the third form your experiences will be more vivid. They will involve you perhaps in other systems beside your own, and you will have little contact with your physical form. For this reason projection in the third form is the most difficult to maintain. The possibilities are truly fascinating, but there are dangers that do not exist when the other two forms are used.

“Your consciousness is far divorced from the physical organism, and it would be dangerous to stay away for any extended period of physical time. It would for example be quite possible to return to the physical body from this form, and not recognize it as your own. We would not want you to have such an experience. There is confusion and disorientation that can occur, using this third form. You need have no worries however, since as a rule your excursions will be along the lines of your own development.

“Using this third form, there would be a tendency for you not to recognize your own physical situation. It would be difficult to carry the memories of the present ego personality with you. This third form is the vehicle of the inner self. The disorientation that it feels is the disorientation, you see, that it will feel when the physical body is deserted, or at the point of death.

“The disorientation is only temporary, and when the form is severed from the physical body, then all the memories and identity within the electromagnetic system become part of the inner self, of course.

“But this is not an instantaneous process, and in any projection attempt there is no need whatsoever for this to be carried any further. This form is used however for purposes of instruction. It is used now and then to acquaint the whole personality with those circumstances that shall at one time affect it.

“There are occasions, though they are rare, when the disorientation period is completely passed, and connection with the body is therefore nearly broken. We shall not however deal with this situation. Most of your projections will be in the first and second forms.

“Usually you will project from the physical body into the first form, and then perhaps into the second form. Occasionally this will happen and you will not know it, despite all your attempts to ascertain your circumstances. There are indeed however ways and signs that tell you when you switch from one form to the other, and we shall indeed see that you know these. You should both — this is Joseph [Rob] and Ruburt [Jane] now – you should both have several examples of projections within the first and second forms in the following months, if your development continues at its present rate.” ~ The Early Sessions, Vol. 6, Session 268, June 15, 1966, p.240-241.

Open Mic Night

February 11, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on February 11, 2007

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Katherine (Columbia), David, Barbara, Mary and Ann

(7:58 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your warm consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

KRIS: Your previous conversation is very apropos considering events of late with a pick up of momentum and a recognized need for change by the collective. Thus over the next decade you will see transformations of people’s lives and in the way people wish these lives to be lived. And this is the key in the door, so to speak.

Events of late with television broadcasts mark only the first few steps of people of all walks of life, all backgrounds and even religions beginning to discover that they can determine their lives for themselves, that they have the innate authority and power to determine what they would like to believe as opposed to much of the way it is still done in many places today, where you are told what to believe, how to believe it, when to believe it and so on.

This shift in paradigm may not necessarily be the smoothest of transitions, as many organizations may insist that from their point of view, the people, the masses and the individual must listen to the words THEY say, and this is where the tug will occur in people’s own psyches and how they wish to determine the outward manifestation of their lives, compared to the way it is being done right now.

This requires of course, that the individual awaken to his or her innate capacities to direct their lives in a meaningful manner. We are aware that some camps and philosophies would insist that this means there are no more rules. This means that it is indeed a big free-for-all, anyone can do whatever they please!

And that is fine if you are in kindergarten, however, as the processes mature and individuals recognize the great extent of their own abilities to govern their own path in life, a completely different reflection will begin to appear in the physical world and people can determine how their governments will run. They can determine how their spiritual organizations will run. They can determine whether to have peace or not, and how to go about this other than to create a pre-emptive strike. So you are looking for a period of great change, and great change may also bring about some degree of turbulence until the wrinkles are ironed out. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Nonetheless, do not mistake turbulence for something that must be avoided, just as when the storm comes, tree limbs are broken, gardens are upset, patio sets are turned over and there is a need to clean up, there is also the recognition that now something entirely different can come from this issue, is that correct?

(Yes)

It is indeed all about what you do if you are handed a bushel of lemons.

(Short Pause)

Perhaps this would be a very nice evening for something akin to a fireside chat, since you haven’t had one of those in some time.

MARK: (Explaining) In other words, it’s an open discussion. There’s no monologue, per se. So any questions, any comments?

MYRNA: Yes, Kris, a lot of what I’ve learned seems to be boiling down to the concept of allowing and opposing, and with John’s help recently, boiling it down to I am either allowing well-being or not, and I am either living in love or fear….and fear in all of its manifestations. Have I got that right? Actually, I don’t need to ask that, do I? (Laughs) I got that right.

KRIS: It is after all, your back yard.

MYRNA: Yeah. I’m amazed that it all boils down to something that simple.

KRIS: It may appear simple and, for some, perhaps too simplistic. However, you yourself know what you have gone through to come to that recognition. Especially that the issue of allowing or opposing truly is in your power to determine.

MYRNA: I can’t…I still haven’t gotten to the place of total trust…but it’s….I’m not saying easy, but it’s that simple…and I do have that power either to live in love … [Kris interrupts.]

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps you may ponder upon the following: you are hungry, you have a craving, not for a huge meal, but you need something. You rummage through your thoughts, “What could I eat now? What could I make from these different things in the house?” And depending upon your mood, you may settle on … [Myrna interrupts.]

MYRNA: Popcorn!

KRIS: Anything…cheese sandwich, popcorn, tomato sandwich…whatever it is, you make that decision, you make that choice. It may have taken you only seconds to rummage through your mind to come to that conclusion, correct? Making the decision, accepting that a choice is not extraordinarily difficult.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: In other areas where there are emotional attachments however, the rummaging is just a quick, but determining the cost to you can be excruciating in some cases, unnerving in others. What would happen to you if you decide that you let go of some anger or resentment or fear? That is where that inner conflict and battle takes the longest, because then you are holding back your decision. That is your opposing, because you already desired to move towards an allowing.

MYRNA: That’s true. That’s very true. Yes. What I’m thrilled about is to know the end game here.

KRIS: The endgame always is the desire to move towards the allowing, the FREEDOM, because allowing creates freedom. It creates peace. It creates joy, liberation, and so on and so forth. So it is, in many ways, as endearing, as calculating as anything Sun Tzu would have written about the Art of War.

And any general creates tactics for his infantry. The decision is already made, but how to put it into practice is another issue. So when you weigh the pros and the cons of what it will cost you to move towards your allowing, that is where it becomes heavy, and when that occurs you do know that you in full bloom resistance. What would happen if, on a whim, you forgot to resist your choice? You forgot to oppose all of your inclinations to what was allowed?

MYRNA: I couldn’t accuse myself of being a ninny.

KRIS: What would happen if you then found yourself in the midst of actually liking yourself and those who previously would have opposed?

MYRNA: It scares me. I just found myself in a situation in the past two days…. (Chuckling)…I can’t believe the journey I needed to go through to get there…and still how hard it is sometimes.

KRIS: There are times when we have encountered individuals. We are closing our eyes so no one thinks we are looking at them, (Group laughter) where sometimes you may feel that it requires hundreds of horses to drag you through the mud and the bramble, just to come to allow the release so that you CAN allow. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: So what are your conclusions? It is after all, a very good thing to have a conclusion to end the story.

MYRNA: What just came up for me was…the very dear soul in my life who created this with me and how much I want to apologize energetically to her. I don’t think I need to do it, I think I have done it….and what I feel this conclusion is…I feel the open heart, I feel my heart opened.

KRIS: Indeed. We may simply suggest a humble blessing both towards herself and towards yourself. It is a fine thing to bless and forgive others, but shower yourself with the same gifts.

MYRNA: I didn’t know differently…I feel good with that.

KRIS: Indeed. (To the group) This is, after all, as close as you get to a free-for-all. Please take advantage of it.

MARY: Hi Kris, my name is Mary, and what I struggle with is the journey of finding your purpose, the purpose on this place we call Earth.

KRIS: That may depend on how you see yourself. Many individuals do strongly desire to find a purpose for themselves for the whole world, and that may be a gargantuan task. But it might prove simpler to look at your own self, ask yourself who and what you are, recognize who and what you are NOT as well as who and what you are, and from there, recognize those things in life, your own qualities that give you – AWAKEN within you – the highest passion…

MARY: Yes.

KRIS: [Continuing] …That make it so that when you are involved in those activities all of time and space and all of the concerns related to the concept are more or less irrelevant. There is the experience of the moment, of that now. It could be many things, but find them. They are all innate qualities within you and they may have nothing to do with various roles that you play in the social context.

They have nothing to do with you particularly as a wife or a mother, or somebody involved in the workforce, and it may still, but above and beyond any of those things, you are something else. What would irritate you about others the most? You do not have to answer that. (Group chuckling) That can be your little secret.

And at the same time, reflect upon that and consider that these may also be things that irritate you the most about yourself. And then, ask yourself what do you like, love, admire in others. And recognize that these may be your own ideals again reflected for you to observe. And out of that, find your middle ground and begin to observe who you are now, and it may even be someone you didn’t know before. That often happens. And we would even dare say it is very often the case!

Once you can recognize that individual with HER qualities that looks out towards the world and actually can be let go of. Who you are to your own eyes is something else. Understand that what you call the physical world, material nature, is a confirmation of who you are that includes your beliefs, considerations, your attitudes, emotions, feelings, about you.

You may reflect then, towards your governments, friends, even enemies, they are still all about you. The world then confirms what you believe about it. That can be an extremely potent gauge to know where you are in your feelings. Do you understand that?

MARY: Yeah, that makes sense.

KRIS: That should allow you to also discover there is a part of life and the world that causes you to be upset in some way or another, then you have the power to change how you feel about that. That you no longer have to pretend to be a victim of events, conditions, and circumstances, that your convictions can be changed. And when you do that, the mirror of the world begins reflecting your new set of convictions.

MARY: Very interesting.

KRIS: Indeed. Your creations of the world are as powerful, as engaging, as endearing as ANY of the great masters’ works throughout all of time. You may look at a Picasso, a Modigliani, a Rembrandt, a Renoir, and marvel at the creativity that is painted on the tableau. Take that same marveling attitude and direct it to yourselves as to how powerful and creative YOU are as well in the way you create situations, events, circumstances, the world to reflect what you need to understand about yourselves. You may never get paid for YOUR works of art….

MARY: (Chuckling)

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

MARY: Yes, thank you.

ANN: Hi, my name’s Ann.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANN: And I have a question that’s along similar lines to what Mary talked about. How do you know if you’re on the right path? And why does it sometimes seem so difficult to manifest what you’re….well, sort of where you want to be? Why does it seem sometimes like it’s blocked, that I can’t get to where I want to go and then sometimes I’m asking, “Am I on the right path?” and I’m not sure.

KRIS: Indeed. And your question might contain the answer in itself.

ANN: How so?

KRIS: When you sense there is a block somewhere, you might be more on the ball than you think.

ANN: How so?

KRIS: You might be recognizing unconscious or subconscious actions. For instance, this mention of allowing and opposing: Subconsciously you might be manifesting beliefs and convictions in direct opposition to your desired intent or goal.

ANN: Why?

KRIS: That may depend on the way you were brought up. The thoughts you accepted, the beliefs that you acquired throughout your life. There are, for instance, many people who would desire greater wealth than they now have. We didn’t say “great wealth,” simply greater wealth, financial success, and they SEEM to only get so far, to constantly crash into a brick wall. They may not have examined the contents of their own subconscious mind, where programming from their earliest age has been stored.

They may have been told, from childhood, they will never amount to anything. They will never be successful, they are too stupid, and so on and so forth. And it might have been originally well-intentioned from the parents or an adult in their environment, trying to protect that child from having too many false hopes in a world that the adult may have perceived to be too cruel and cold and even unforgiving.

And these beliefs may have been accepted whole-heartedly, to the point where they are constantly being projected into the world. For every step or two they move forward, they have to go back, constantly. Then the premise is to begin investigating through a variety of means, the kind of programming that has been instilled in the subconscious mind. What kind of inner dialog is constantly funneled in the back here? Do you understand?

ANN: Yes.

KRIS: And using so-called “willpower” to shut those voices up will not avail to anything because of a certain little propensity of consciousness: You get what you concentrate upon. You have translated it to mean the Law of Attraction. It is a propensity of consciousness. And the more you try to ignore that inner dialog, the more you have to pay attention to it, and then you have to deny you are paying attention to it! It becomes a vicious cycle and what do you get? What you do not want.

Cleaning up this attic of these old programs and files will prove IMMENSELY beneficial and it will free up your creativity and your energies to get where you want. And at the same time, it is always a good practice, we have found, to understand what it is that you need and what it is that you want. You — not you specifically, but an individual — may want to be the richest individual in the world.

There is nothing with this kind of ideal, but how they may desire to get there is a different story. They may sincerely believe that the ends justify the means, so if they can get rich on the backs of everyone else, they may feel this is fine as long as they get their wish. That will also carry them only so far until they hit an even bigger brick wall. So it is important to recognize what you need and what you want at the same time. Does that make sense to you?

ANN: Yes, and how do you go about cleaning up so there’s good programming.

KRIS: We may direct you to Philip here as he is aware of the many materials we have developed over the years that can assist you, that provide good tools, that can help you recognize this, clean-up, literally put your house in order. And we can say that this is not something that is done in two minutes. It may take at least a few minutes!

(Group laughter)

Shall we say “country minutes”, but there are many wonderful tools available. Introspection is one of them. One we have delivered is called the Triple A and that your friend is very familiar with.

MYRNA: I’m also very familiar with a set of CD’s on a series called “Who Are You?” Kris taught some meditations and exercises that are amazing, just amazing.

KRIS: These can also prove very beneficial. Each of these recordings contain very deep hypnotic inductions that can tap directly into the subconscious and transform blockages into advantages and literally free yourselves from the shackles that bind you. Most individuals do carry psychological albatrosses and as soon as you can tell that bird to take a hike, the easier it is for you to also fly just as free.

And perhaps one last small thing: Regardless of your challenges, have fun! Celebrate even the smallest success. Too many individuals will claim that they have only gotten ninety-nine percent done! What good are they?! Because they are focusing where they do not want. Every small success, a celebration is in order, even if it is merely offering yourself a pretty flower, a small glass of wine, a recognition that you are a worthy and worthwhile individual can literally tip the scales. Does that assist you for now?

ANN: Yes. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. What is the time?

MARK: 8:33.

KRIS: Perhaps a small, small break will be in order.

[Mark, Serge and John describe to the new folks some of the tools offered in Kris' "Tool Box" such as Triple 'A' and EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Myrna describes Kris' "Who Are You" CD set, which has been a source for great transformational change for many people. Serge answers some questions about his experience during channeling and how he came to be a channeler.]

(Kris returns at 8:47 PM)

KRIS: Now it is a good thing indeed that we did not suggest a very long break! Perhaps there are there are other questions?

DAVID: Kris, how do you acquire data? References? For instance, I may read a book, I’ll pick out a Seth book. It takes time to read… days, weeks, etc… or I’ll change the question around…does Seth go to a webpage and see Triple ‘A’?

(Group laughter)

KRIS: We will do our best to put in into your syntax…and that is, often, the tender point: bringing about information or material that fits into your syntax. Words themselves are not the challenge, but concepts, especially concepts. Ideas that can lead the individual outside of their often narrow view of self and world into another perspective which allows them to understand their lives and the symbolism of their lives in a greater way still.

We are not limited to time and space as you consider yourself to be. For instance you made the allusion that it may take you a few weeks to understand and read through a book, only because that is the only way you know how to read a book. Intuitively you already have the knowledge contained within the pages of the book, but because you are focused in physical reality, that is where your main playing field is situated, you abide by some f those rules.

If no one had ever told you that you are supposed to read a book from page one to two hundred, nor that you are supposed to read from left to right, go down the next line and down the next line and then turn the page, if none of this had been taught you, how would you read a book?

DAVID: I’d have no reference point.

KRIS: On the one hand that is correct, but you could, knowing the alphabet, devise your own means of reading the information. You could begin at the bottom of the two hundredth page and work your way that way. You could, instead of reading from left to right, read from right to left, or up and down and down and up. You could read every second page, and so on and so forth. The combinations would be tremendous, correct?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: And you would likely have various perspectives on the material that you just read. But the other point you made is correct. If we had the means to simply beam information into your brain, we would avail ourselves of that very easily. But your references are different. We have to respect those.

However, we are not limited to only your set of references as an individual and as a culture. Thus, while we utilize your references to convey information to you, we also take the opportunity to convey other types of information that we have called “Timelets” in the past: literally planting seeds within the unconscious through the words and the thread of ideas that may take days, weeks, months, even years to bear fruit within your perspective. As your perceptions begin to shift and change, so new concepts, new ideas, begin to take root within you. Do you follow so far?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: Similarly, we have to avail ourselves of your collective references in order to deliver information in such a way that the immediacy of the words and the concepts and the energy already point you in a direction. We do not and cannot take you in that direction, but we can point you in that direction. Hopefully, you will follow as you desire. Along the way, those ideas, seed concepts, will begin to bear fruit, take root, they will grow, and you can then reap a harvest. So we have to be aware of all of these things. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: Does that answer your question?

DAVID: Not quite. When you’re talking with someone, at your end what is the communication like? Versus ours. How do you exchange data?

KRIS: It is not done solely at the conscious level, the physical level, the way your ears and physical senses are interpreting our actions of energy now. From your sensory perceptions, Joseph is engaging in exchange; we are utilizing his physical form, even his ears, his vocal cords, his body, to convey a communication to you. That is the smallest part of the communication, one that relates to your physical senses.

The larger part of the communication occurs on the other side of consciousness, within the unconscious. From deeper within your psyche, there are communications with your own Source, or Essence, that you may not be so apt to listen to, so it is done in this way to bring it to your attention. Does that make some sense to you?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: Thus, in this way, you can simultaneously straddle both the official line of consciousness and the unofficial line of consciousness and have your cake and eat it too. Does that make sense to you?

DAVID: Yes.

KRIS: We trust that you like chocolate cake. It has always been one of our favorites when we engaged the physical focus.

DAVID: Thank you.

BARBARA: Hello, actually I have a question very similar to David’s. My friend and I, we actually are engaging on a daily basis, using Ouija boards, and we discussed different concepts and it just goes to “yes” or “no” and depending on our energies, it goes at a faster rate to “yes” or “no” and it’s also maybe similar to what Jane Roberts went through. I sometimes do pick up beforehand I will go to yes or no, and my friend is very interested in going into trance and channeling and going also with what we talked of before about different levels of channeling, and comparing it to a computer, that some just like to play games, some like to use different programs and others like to build or create.

Could you sort of explain to me how one chooses to be a deep channel and if there is some kind of connection between the entity that’s being channeled and the person who wants to channel and why exactly some channels give very deep or spiritual and other type messages and some others give sort of chicken soup sort of messages.

KRIS: This may require an entire workshop! (Group laughter) Suffice it to say that the gathering and understanding of information in your reality is not limited to the fields that you have established and recognized as a means of disseminating knowledge: the empirical system. Do you understand?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: Individuals have been connecting with and understanding signals, messages from within, for the longest of time, literally for thousands of years. All of the religions on your planet are the results of such communications. ALL of them. Prophets and Saints have uttered messages from the Divine.

That knowledge, that material, those communications were then latched upon as a means to bring together individuals to share. And with the passing of time, very often the very foundational messages themselves are then rejected for the institution that is erected in its place. Does that make sense to you?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: So that simply means that all individuals have the capacity. Some may wish to engage it, others not, at a variety of levels and depths. Individuals who become what you call “channels” may do so for various reasons. There are some who may decide it is a great way to get attention. There are others who feel that within them stirs a voice and a knowledge far deeper and greater than what they consciously have available to them, and you have everything else in between. Do you still follow?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: Though some may claim that the sources of their information are very well known historical figures or mythological figures — and do understand our views of mythology and the mythological: we do not mean it in the sense that it is something illusory or fantastical, do you follow? We mean it in its highest sense — very often those that make claims to channeling and speaking for the voices of the greatest deities, best brand name gods and goddesses, usually do so as a distraction to cover the fact that the material they are translating simply doesn’t cut the quality mustard. Do you still follow?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: We have always been of the perception that it is often best to stay away from brand name entities and focus upon the authenticity of your own Being. When it comes down to the matter at hand in terms of channeling, for the most part the individual is expressing deeper portions of their own higher or inner Self, but do remember that it still has to travel through vast psychological regions filled with different kinds of beliefs and conviction structures and if those are not recognized and cleaned up, you get psychic and psychological debris, so that infiltrates the material.

Thus some will portend to speak for saints, even Jesus, and others. And the material will be heavily tainted with the dogma because they are insufficiently trained to clean the warehouse. Do you follow?

BARBARA: Yes.

KRIS: Thus it is important when somebody travels that road and undertakes that journey to do some house cleaning and get to the root of the material. Does that answer your inquiry?

BARBARA: Very much so.

MARK: I’d like to add a bit to that, too. I think it’s important to note that there are different levels of channeling. There’s deep trance, and there’s the “chicken soup” type and everything in between. And there’s good quality material in all of that and it really is what resonates with you [that is important].

You will get some good and some bad in trance, and some good and bad “street corner,” but it really is all about YOU and who is benefiting because you can find channelers out there that say, “I’m the one you’ve got to come to, I’ve got the clearest [voice] with the least distortion [saying]: Come to me,” but are they giving you the information that you need? Is it empowering YOU or empowering them? And that’s the important thing to remember.

KRIS: And that is a major key.

KATHERINE: What would you say to someone who might say that in a sense we are cheating by communicating with people on the other side? It’s said we’re supposed to live our life by our own conscience and that by communicating with you we’re sort of cheating, like we’re getting the scoop before we should.

(Group laughter)

KRIS: (Humorously) Indeed you are! Say for instance that you are in school. You take your day’s lesson with your teacher and you have questions. Are you supposed to simply go home, think of your questions and forget them? Or are you able to then approach the teacher and ask your questions to clarify a subject matter that you might not have understood before? Which is more beneficial to you?

KATHERINE: Well, yes, but the teacher presumably is in the same three-dimensional world that –

(The rest of Katherine’s words are lost in the group’s laughter) — This is not MY point of view! I –

KRIS: We understand.

MYRNA: Well, Katherine, if that’s not your point of view, what are you wanting when you ask that question?

KATHERINE: I’m wondering….well, it got me thinking….yeah, it got me thinking when someone put that question to me recently.

KRIS: In other words, the individual may also be of the belief that you are supposed to carry your lot in life and whatever limiting beliefs keep you from reaching your full potential may not be questioned. Do you understand that?

KATHERINE: Well, that person is very much into spirituality and reincarnation and all that, but they expressed the opinion that it’s kind of like cheating, that you should do the work itself.

MARK: Another way of looking at this is you create your own reality, correct?

KATHERINE: Yes.

MARK: You create the channeler to bring the information into your reality.

KRIS: That is the ultimate cheat sheet!

(Group cracks up)

The basic premise is that you create your reality.

KATHERINE: Yeah…I’m not sure of that person, so maybe I shouldn’t have brought it up.

KRIS: It is a very valid point.

KATHERINE: I was just wondering, you know? I had no appropriate come-back. I said something like, “But, it’s THERE, you know, it’s available. Why not use it?”

MYRNA: I have an Essence name called Shara-Leene and I actually believe this is Shara-Leene talking to me. It’s Serge’s voice and it’s Kris, but I have chosen to hear myself by being here.

KATHERINE: Yeah, that makes sense to me.

MYRNA: So, I haven’t cheated anybody. In fact I’ve only allowed, expanded.

KRIS: We would also take the perspective that then you should never read books, you should not talk to other people.

KATHERINE: (Jokingly) I’ve tried that! (Laughter) But [the argument would be] that all those things are here on the Earth, physical.

DAVID: How about hunches?

KATHERINE: Fine. Develop it, but do it yourself….Not me, you understand, but this is what this person is saying.

KRIS: Is this individual of a religious bent?

KATHERINE: Claims not to be, but I’ve had my suspicions early on that there was something there. Actually this person is very much against religion. He’s someone I just met but….you know, like…he won the argument, the discussion, I couldn’t come back with any more.

KRIS: Our answer to that is: you cannot have a little bit here and a little bit there but not here and not there. Therefore if you are meant to be solely on your own, then reading of books is external information.

KATHERINE: Right. Where do you draw the line?

KRIS: Indeed. The point is moot altogether.

KATHERINE: Yes. I agree with you.

MARK: I think it’s important, especially for the new people, to define official reality versus the unofficial reality or line of consciousness. Official meaning what we see on television, read in books and newspapers and so on. The UNofficial line of consciousness would be dreams, intuition, channeled material, the things that come in through the back door.

KATHERINE: This person says, “I know it’s there and I believe that the person coming through and speaking to you guys is there, but that person should know better, that they know they’re doing wrong by coming here.”

MARK: “Wrong”, again, wrong or right.

MYRNA: I find myself right now really agitated, not by you, Katherine, but I am agitated by what just happened, by that energy coming in here. And again, it’s not about you, but it’s how I all of a sudden just realized that I want to take that energy and beat the shit out of it! Like, I don’t want that energy in my room, so when I feel myself getting into that sort of rage, I’d like to know what to do.

[Everyone speaks at once]

Wait a minute. I have to go back to allowing and opposing here. I got into some real opposing energy because I felt threatened.

JOHN: Aha!

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: By this black and white, low … it felt very low energy to me…and I come here and I’m up here [holding her hand out high] and I all of a sudden felt threatened by what you brought into the room. Again, Katherine, not at you. So…in that case…I’m right now into opposing.

KRIS: And where do you think this applies the most?

MYRNA: Well, I know this is an aspect of me.

MARK: Tissue Issue. (Chuckling)

MYRNA: This is when I oppose myself in trusting all of this stuff that I’m learning. It’s okay, it’s all right….I got it. (Laughs)

KRIS: Also, this is an important observation and there may be an important point to be made here. You also recognize the mindset behind such questioning as “male.” Correct?

MYRNA: (Quietly) Yes. Hmmm.

KRIS: What aspect of your own personality may be vibrating with this right now?

MYRNA: Um…aggressive…judgmental… (Humorously) not that I have any of that!

(Group laughter)

I judge myself. There’s an aggressiveness in me that relates to that energy right now.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you think there is a distinct possibility that you might allow embracing that masculine type energy within your being as opposed to opposing?

MYRNA: Well when I get confused is….I understand what you’re asking….my confusion is: I found that energy really brought me down. Why would I …

KRIS: You took the energy to bring it up so that you could clear it. Bring that energy up to clear it out.

MYRNA: Sorry. I’m confused.

KRIS: Instead of allowing the energy to bring you down, which means you are opposing it, allow it to….reach UP for it. Bring it up. Remember back a few weeks we asked you about the forest of Sequoias in B.C.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: How grand, majestic and heroic they all are, and your own energies intermingling with them and how that made you feel.

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: Perhaps in that mind frame you can reach down to that very tiny little male energy and bring it up so that you can set it free.

MYRNA: (Pause) I’m going to need to hear that a few times.

DAVID: Can you give particulars? Bring it up?

MYRNA: I try.

KRIS: Indeed. You know what a Sequoia looks like?

MYRNA: Yeah, I do.

KRIS: A forest of them! Gigantic beings, high up in the clouds almost, their treetops silently caressing the breeze and one small branch of the Sequoia reaches down to that little speck of male energy that may even be protesting and you bring it up, way up into the treetops and as it is brought up it struggles less and less because it is about to be freed into the heights of your Being. What do you feel now?

MYRNA: (Pause) Dumbstruck. I had no idea that I…that that….a possibility that I can take opposing energy like that…my rage, my anger….and raise it up. I had no idea.

KRIS: Does it feel – ? – Or should we say, was it good for you?

(Laughter)

MYRNA: It feels….I feel freed myself to be the kind of person I want to be, instead of wanting to get into a ring and beat the shit out of that aspect.

KRIS: Indeed it is difficult to beat oneself up in this way.

KATHERINE: I don’t know about your own life, but maybe sometime in your life you may have espoused that type of….even years ago maybe….how would you feel if others had responded to you with rage in that. Maybe if others came along and lifted you up and showed you the way?

MYRNA: For sure, yeah. That thing described here is not anything that I have experienced or been taught. This kind of embracing of my oppositional….

KATHERINE: Those aspects of yourself.

KRIS: This is simply a variation of the Triple ‘A’. Acknowledge, Address and Accept.

MYRNA: When I hear that, I go to my head. Whereas what you give here, is not head stuff.

MARK: It goes to the heart.

MYRNA: Right to the heart.

KRIS: You can perhaps…it can be named in her honor: Heart Triple ‘A.’

KATHERINE: (Laughs) Oh my goodness! May I say one more thing? I’m not sure…it seems the symbol of the feather has been around me, I’ve been seeing feathers, and this very good friend of mine lately has been talking a lot about feathers and has been dreaming about a feather, and we’re very connected. We were wondering if you could give us any clues about this feather business lately.

KRIS: (Pause) Both of you get very excited when you discuss philosophical subject matters, specifically metaphysical things. You both feel as if you are flying high, do you not?

KATHERINE: (Laughing) Yes!

KRIS: We believe you are simply manifesting feathers to confirm that your flights of imagination are truly worthwhile. And when we say flights of imagination, we are not talking about some fanciful things that little girls may talk about. Your flights of imagination actually do produce interesting things do they not?

KATHERINE: Oh, very!

KRIS: In fact you are often inspired in song and imagery.

KATHERINE: Yes.

KRIS: So incorporate in your works of art, incorporate feathers and see what happens. Let them speak to you.

KATHERINE: Ah! Actually I thought of doing that, after we talked about feathers the other day. I thought, “I should put feathers in my painting.” Thank you. Good idea. Can feathers also be messengers? Because I found this little blue jay feather the other day and it had belonged to my husband before he was killed and just the moment I came across it, and the color it was, and just had a lot of meaning to me at that moment in time and I thought of him and I thought, “Oh, he’s saying ‘hello’ or whatever”, like he was validating something for me.

KRIS: And what if it is you saying “hello” to him? That is also a distinct possibility hardly ever considered.

KATHERINE: Yeah? Actually that’s actually the aspect my friend would be inclined to take. I would be more inclined to say, “Oh, this is an affirmation from him, because this is his symbol.” She would be more inclined to say, “Well, it’s an affirmation to you because you are putting meaning on it.”

KRIS: You can take it as meaning both. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:27.

KRIS: Are there other lovely questions? Feathers and all?

MARY: I have one more question. It has to do with the awakening of a social consciousness that we’re seeing today in society. Can you comment on that at all?

KRIS: How would you express it?

MARY: I don’t know. Good question.

MYRNA: What do you mean by social consciousness?

MARY: There seems to be…with “The Secret” coming out and books being perhaps written or more awareness around of spirituality and of the power within, perhaps…so it’s more me and us awakening to what the possibilities are.

KRIS: To continue what we opened with then, many individuals are recognizing that the official line of consciousness, the established systems within society are simply not up to par. They have to be brought up on a level consistent with the changes in the masses. The present institutions are often truly antiquated. Life has changed. Individuals have changed, but many habits and patterns have not. These have to change.

These too have to evolve as individuals and consciousness is evolving. There is a recognized need for a new paradigm, and understanding has to be brought about where for instance, the individual can create a technology that does not destroy the Earth, that does not pollute the water, the soil, or the air, that you are not here to TAKE and greedily take more, but to steward Nature. Do you understand?

MARY: Yeah.

KRIS: As the present momentum unfolds, governments will change, laws will change. Multi-nationals, who are themselves a collection of individuals, will also begin to change and this IS slightly beginning already. The old rules and the old games simply cannot continue as they are now and one of the most powerful changes will be the transformations of strife and conflict that constantly cause war.

This means that INDIVIDUALS will free themselves from their own limitations, their own fears and recognize that beneath the masks of fear are faces of love. Thus, when you kill the enemy, you are killing yourself. When that is deeply understood, your wars may completely dissipate. It does not mean there will never be another conflict; never a hackle will be raised.

There WILL be conflicts, there will be at least a few hackles raised here and there, but you will have determined that there are OTHER means to deal with the issue than by first blasting each other out of space and time and then asking questions later.

So the means at your disposals, the truths and resources will begin to work more effectively because you will begin to believe in yourselves as a people. You will no longer believe that you are anachronisms, viruses upon a planet, that your whole reason for being is to cause destruction, wholesale destruction, because your lives will acquire MEANING of such an order that they will truly appear and they will be recognized as SACRED. Not because some religious institution wants you to think that way, but because you will awaken to that fact. Does that make sense to you?

MARY: Yes, it does. Kris, may I ask one more thing before you go?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARY: It’s more of a personal thing. I have a little girl, and she seems very connected to the other side and very insightful a lot of the time, and she gets scared and you know what? I want to help, but I’m also scared, too, to be honest.

KRIS: What are you afraid of?

MARY: Oh, you know, spirits being around the place and I don’t know, just nervous about that. And I know she sees things and she’ll say something and I know it to be true. It just makes me nervous. I don’t feel comforted having spirits about the place. I usually ask them to go when I sense them.

KRIS: So you only react when you sense?

MARY: Yes. I know they’re there all the time, but when I sense them, then I feel nervous about it.

KRIS: Now what would you understand from feeling or sensing a presence?

MARY: What would I feel?

KRIS: What would you understand?

MARY: You mean how would I know they are there or why they are there?

KRIS: The latter.

MARY: (Pondering) Why are they there? No….sometimes….what I tell myself is that they are really there to help us and protect us, but really what I feel sometimes is that they are there to create some sort of mischief.

KRIS: What part of your own energies do you suppress because you fear it might cause mischief in your life?

MARY: I don’t know.

KRIS: Ponder upon that. The energies that both of you sense are created by yourselves, even though your daughter is young, she still has full-blown potentials, as you do. You do both sense other personalities around you. These have always been around you. Many of them have been friends in other lifetimes. Do you understand that?

MARY: Yes. What about the ones that weren’t friends?

KRIS: Those are direct reflections of your own fears. They do not cause the fears. They are reflections of your fears. However, be it as it may, you can explain to your daughter that both you and she have the ability to surround yourselves with a field, a buffer zone, and others may approach either of you only when you make allowances in that area. And you can test this out.

MARK: Have you heard of the bubble of white light? Surround yourself with a bubble of white light?

MARY: Yes.

MARK: Utilize that.

KRIS: It is a nice method. OUR only objection with the bubble of white light is [that] it presupposes that anything outside of that bubble is of a different kind of energy. Now, there is also the possibility that you fear such old wives’ tales as possessions, is it not?

MARY: No, I’m not worried about possessions, more just like people being in an ill humor, and coming about….because I’m not concerned about all of them, just like some people that may have passed on and just maybe I didn’t have positive energy with and I would prefer them not to be around.

KRIS: These are, again, projections of your own worries and fears. We only bring the subject of fears of possession up because you need to understand that in truth, there are more obsessions than possessions. Do you follow?

MARY: Yes.

KRIS: All in all, rest assured that you are always in a safe place and that you create that safe place. Does that make sense to you?

MARY: Yes.

KRIS: And you can even engage your daughter in a small ritual: light a small candle — if you like incense, it might also be nice — and allow this little ritual be a means to center your beings, to balance and harmonize your energies as a means to create a safe space. And wherever you are, there is your safe space. Does that make sense?

MARY: Yes.

KRIS: Now then, what is the time?

MARK: 9:41.

KRIS: Indeed. We will leave you ALL to your lovely, safe spaces, whether you are high in the forest of Sequoias, or finding feathers here and there, all of you enjoy your lives. They are meant to be fun. They are the building blocks of your awareness. And we thank you for your consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends)

Kris Radio: Conscious Creation

February 9, 2007

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on February 09, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on NatRadio, [Now called www.thatradio.com]. I’m your co-host Mark Bukator and I am here with…

JOHN: And I’m John Hawkins, very happy to be here for our radio show here in February. I was happy to realize it’s already February!

(Chuckling)

SERGE: Oh! And I’m here too: Serge. I guess I should be here, huh?

(Chuckling)

MARK: Yeah, I think we need you. You’re an integral part of the show, don’t you know?

SERGE: Aw shucks! That’s nice!

MARK: While we’re waiting for Kris, we have an announcement to make. We are holding a Kris workshop here in Toronto called ‘The Lotus Mind’. It will be held on the weekend of June 9th and 10th. It’s a two-day workshop and details are available on the website: krischronicles.com, Kris with a ‘K’ and this is gonna be one of his extraordinary workshops.

JOHN: Oh, honestly, the way he has described the impact of this workshop has… it’s got the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

MARK: Not for the faint of heart.

JOHN: Not for the faint of heart. There’s another workshop for the faint of heart the following weekend, I think.

(Laughing)

MARK: Last year, in fact it was a year ago Valentine’s day, we were down in California for the ‘Passionate Self’ workshop and there will be similarities and yet distinct differences and if any of you have come to any of the workshops, you will realize it’s very participant-friendly or necessary.

JOHN: Yes, and also as distinct from some other types of workshops with channeled entities. My experience of a workshop with Kris is that you get four, five, six hours of Kris each day!

MARK: Oh yes, definitely. The workshop on both days is from 10am until 4 pm with a lunch break and a couple small breaks. But mostly it’s Kris at the helm and giving us things to do: meditations, practices, tools, you name it, he’s got it! It’s gonna be held in the same venue that we had the ‘Heal the Heart’ workshop, which you were there for that one, John.

JOHN: Yes, that’s the hotel…

MARK: Ramada hotel.

JOHN: Ramada hotel.

MARK: Downtown Toronto on Jarvis street right across the street from a beautiful conservatory, Allan Gardens… and a great venue, great, great venue.

JOHN: And presumably the weather will be a little better in June.

MARK: Than it is today, yes! (Laughing) It’s not too bad today compared to the last radio show. We had quite a bit of snow then. Uh yes, the ‘Heal the Heart’ that was also a very incredible workshop. There were so many tools given out, the nine Sisters presentation was that one too.

JOHN: Oh yes, that’s right.

MARK: Yeah, you and Myrna did that wonderful presentation that I plan on making available through download on the website very shortly.

JOHN: Oh that would be great, yeah!

MARK: I was hoping to make it run on the website but I haven’t figured out how to do that yet.

JOHN: Oh you can do that, you can get PowerPoint to run on the web. I’m not sure how to do it, though. Yes, it was a lot of fun putting together that Sisters workshop… er the PowerPoint presentation together. Lots of fun graphics and I think it’s a great idea to share that… because for people who missed the Sisters, the introduction of the Sisters. That was a very powerful multi-faceted… well we think of them as tools now…

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: But you know, it was more than a tool, it was a whole… almost a worldview.

MARK: Aspects of Self. I find that I’m coming back to the nine Sisters material after… it seems so long to be away from it. We’ve been given so many NEW tools, that have been focusing on The Nodi and The Triple A and The Just Ask Why, and all wonderful tools but now I’m finding I’m coming back to the Sisters again and utilizing them much more in my day to day life once again.

JOHN: How do you use the Sisters?

MARK: Basically anytime I’m in any situation, good, bad or ugly, I call upon the Sisters and even something… I could be sitting on a subway train on the way to work and catch myself in the act of thinking negative programming ff how my day is going to turn out. And I will catch myself and say “okay Sisters let’s work on this, and let’s not let that happen. Let’s have a wonderful day at work today. Let’s make everything go perfect and lovely”… and usually it does. Usually I have a good day. Not to say there’s no challenges, but I get through those challenges very easily and comfortably, and makes me feel good about myself… very useful.

JOHN: Yeah, I know other people who use the Sisters too, in various ways, calling on them to help with a particular issue. Balance and harmony seem to be two of the most popular ones, but then the… really, in some ways, my favorite sister is called ‘helper’ because if you kinda don’t know how to move forward in a situation, there’s an actual sister called helper and her job is to help you to figure out what to do next and that’s kind of a… kind of a meta-sister that’s very helpful.

MARK: Even Jane Roberts acknowledged a helper aspect of self. Serge, that’s probably more up you alley, there.

(Pause)

MARK: No?

(Laughing)

SERGE: I guess you want to bring me into this too. Sure! Yes, Jane Roberts had… who spoke for Seth for twenty odd years from ’63 till ’84, shortly before her passing away, had access to what she called her helper which she would use to send loving and supporting or nurturing energy to those who requested it or needed it. It was done with deep compassion and unconditionally and proved very helpful.

MARK: That is… unconditionally is a key word there. When you send somebody love or energy, often we want it to help them but they… it’s a gift and they can use it whatever way they would like and here’s Kris.

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration. We also wish to note that in discussions of the nine Sisters materials as you have pointed out, you call upon one of these nine Sisters. But it should also be understood that this is not as if you are calling upon forces or agencies supposedly outside of self, but calling upon deeper aspects of your own multidimensional, multifaceted persona, deeper aspects of self and essence to assist you in navigating the sometimes turbulent waters of life. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, very much so. I found that when you brought about the nine Sisters material that it was a good way of personifying these other aspects of self, something to call upon, these tools that you’re not necessarily aware of that you have.

KRIS: Indeed. It assists your conscious mind in focusing upon a certain direction and once the momentum picks up in that sense, then you can literally watch the transformations in your own thought patterns and energy field. Other than that, the notion that you have many minds and many intelligences is part of the process. In that way then, the nine Sisters material can truly awaken in the reader and in the practitioner more or less, a much deeper sense of the authenticity of his or her own self and it is something much lacking in your own society. Thus anchoring deeply into the very meaning of your being can itself alone prove truly healing and transformative. And that is what the material, and all of our material, and we should emphasize this, ALL of our material is about.

MARK: Self-empowerment.

KRIS: As an excellent example of this, Sohars was discussing earlier on at your little dinner table how over the last several months his own life has, in its own unique inimitable fashion, become transformed from its former presentation. Is that correct?

JOHN: Yes it is Kris and thanks for warning me that you might talk about that.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yes, shall I say a little bit?

KRIS: Certainly.

JOHN: What I was mentioning to the boys here while we were across the street at the food court is that my… I’m beginning… I’m aware that in the last six months, certainly the last three months in an accelerated way, and probably extending beyond that in time in the past but basically, I used to live for maybe a decade: a life where I felt that I was not a legitimate member of official reality.

I was living to the side, not quite perhaps in the underbelly of the beast, but I was sidelined through my own choices. I was aware that I had made these choices but I felt that I wasn’t entitled to the benefits of official reality: in other words wealth and friends and family and lovers and all that wonderful stuff. I felt that I had made a choice and that I was rejecting, really, opposing official reality, and for my own principles, and this left me in a corner.

But over a period of six months or so, starting with some material that Kris delivered, a whole series called ‘Who Are You’ which I found to be very, very revealing and then moving on to some startlingly useful material on the ideas of opposing and allowing. When I started to apply that material, I actually sat down one day and made a list of all the things I was opposing in my life and I found that I ran out of room on the one sheet of paper… (Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed then as you might also recognized there was the distinct possibility that you were also opposing all of your opposings.

JOHN: I was definitely opposed. I was denying the opposing.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Definitely. Now the things that I was opposing and denying the opposing eventually… bless their little hearts… and here I’m talking about the issues and problems of my life and I’m blessing them sincerely. They wormed their way through my denial.

And for instance my teeth, which I had ignored for ten years… finally my gums got to the point where I just could not, no longer deny. I turned around on that and said ‘I’m no longer going to oppose my teeth, I’m going to allow the little barkers’ and over a period of several months, I spent about twelve hundred dollars on them, got them brought up to par and now I’m happy and pleased about my teeth. They’re no longer giving me those problems. And of course there’s all kinds of symbology around that like what the teeth mean, and I’ve got reams of material around that that I’ve developed in the process of allowing that, rather than opposing it, but the teeth were only one thing.

I was opposing my family, believe it or not. I was opposing my father, my brothers and Sisters up in Owen Sound, making a lot of assumptions about them and about myself as being incompatible. Well, I turned around that and started allowing my family to contact me, contacting them myself, actually visiting home for the first time in many years and I found that my family is there wanting to give me their love and support! Now why is this a surprise to me? Well, that’s a long story.

Now in addition to that, I had been… my career, the way I make my living had been in a state of decline for a decade and I was opposing that and resisting it and denying it. And since I had made this change and decided ‘okay I’m gonna allow my career to be what it is’ then I have. I now realize that I’m winding down one career, I’m ramping up a new career which is gonna be in place in about six or eight months and in the meantime I’ve taken a part-time job with a bank… that my friend Myrna laughs out loud when I told her… about getting a job at the bank because the bank is the representative of official reality.

So here I am with a little card to get into those locked doors. You know, you wave the card with the little thing with the red light on it and it goes ‘beep’ and you go in. And I’ve got a desk and a phone and a computer and an e-mail address all associated with the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce. So anyway, long story short, or you know, medium… I have turned around and I now feel that… interestingly, I now feel that I’m a legitimate part of, not only of official reality but without realizing it, I was relegating my self as being not a legitimate part of All That Is in that same process. So now, not only am I a legitimate part of official reality, but ready to take my place there and pay my taxes and you know, get mad at people calling me in the evening at home with justification, but I am a happy, comfortable, proud member of the universe. Welcome home, Johnny! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. Since you do such a delicious job of summarizing our own discussions and evenings, perhaps we may avail ourselves of the possibility of summarizing what you have just described.

JOHN: Please.

KRIS: From our perspective as soon as you allowed yourself to participate in the relationship you have with self, your official confirmation of reality began changing, began transforming itself. Thus through the venue of official reality you have recognized that your own existence is meaningful and that you enjoy having a meaningful relationship with self. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: That puts it in a very nice perspective. You’re not bad at summarizing yourself!

KRIS: We learn from the best.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Thus this premise of recognizing what you oppose in your life as well as what you allow is extremely important, even more so because whatever it is that you believe you deny, you have already allowed. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes it couldn’t be in your life unless you allowed it…

KRIS: That is correct. Thus in the simple process of putting the allowances in perspective, cleaning up the wrinkles and the crumbs so to speak, you can actually see what your life is about, what your life IS and where you stand with it. And once you come to terms with the entire issue of your life as you can see it at that moment in time-space, then you can make appropriate changes in those areas that are necessary. First and foremost within self, within your own consciousness, other than that, had you taken the time to keep fighting what you oppose, you would not have recognized the loving self that so dearly desired your attention because your attention is focused upon further and further opposings and denials. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely. That really capsulates my feeling of truly being grateful for my teeth and my gums giving me a hard time because I now see that this was the last ditch effort of my whole self to get my attention.

KRIS: Literally get you in the teeth.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

MARK: Why is everybody looking at me?

(Laughter)

JOHN: Cause you haven’t talked for a while.

MARK: I don’t know.

JOHN: Well I’m just gonna quickly tell a story about the dentist to just punctuate the little discussion we’ve had. The other day I went to the dentist for my scheduled cleaning and I was lying in the dental chair focusing on myself and feeling pretty good about the fact that I was able to relax and let the dental hygienist do her work. And as I was doing that and feeling good and focusing on myself and allowing rather than opposing as much as possible, the dental hygienist took my earphones off… my dentist allows you to listen to jazz music or whatever, which is great.

Anyway, she caught my attention and she said ‘oh John, I forgot to tell you, the last time you were here, I put the wrong codes in the machine and you actually have a credit on our system, so today’s cleaning won’t be nearly as expensive as you might have thought.’ Well first of all I had to laugh to myself because I don’t think ever in my life before has a dentist owed me money but on top of that I literally took my hat off to myself and tipped my hat to myself and with a real feeling of gratitude almost to the point of tears in the eyes, I realized that this was me. This little event was me validating my own efforts in a way that really was sweet and captured my attention, like you can’t get my attention more effectively than by giving me a credit at the dentist.

(Laughter)

MARK: Speaking of allowing and opposing, something that you mentioned about family, and I’ve discovered this recently as well. I went home to visit my parents at Christmas and there’s always been quite a bit of opposing there especially when it comes to the Kris chronicles, Kris and the material but this past Christmas I realized that I had changed enough to allow. And I suddenly realized that my parents and I may not be on the same page but were in the same chapter. We speak slightly different language, but we’re talking about the same thing and I noticed they’re changing along with me… thought that was wonderful.

KRIS: Indeed. As you have pointed out at the table earlier, if there is one absolute it is that change is certain.

MARK: Yes, I did. It’s the only absolute is it not?

KRIS: It is one of them.

MARK: It is one, I realize that.

KRIS: Everything being consciousness is always in a state of transformation as you are each and every one of you.

MARK: And it’s very nice that we’re changing in the same direction as opposed to going in opposite directions.

KRIS: Indeed and there are many more changes slowly transforming the official line of consciousness. That which the official view of the world recognizes as valid, as we have said many times in our walks during the summer, for all intents and purposes, the official line of consciousness has as many holes in it as Swiss cheese but they are not recognized. Some people wear cheese blinders.

(Laughter)

KRIS: As cheesy as that sounds. However it is important to recognize that these gaps are widening all the more. The world or a good portion thereof has just been exposed to ‘The Secret’ and will continue to do so and this will begin to change the paradigm ever so slightly but all that is required is the smallest incremental change to begin the momentum. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes, yes.

JOHN: Definitely.

KRIS: Now we are fully aware that in order to make this material palatable to the masses much of it has had to be watered down to bring it to its most common denominators so to speak, making it as easy as possible. And this is where we need to make some mentions and do understand we are not trying to be the party pooper but it is important to note that just as you went to kindergarten where you started learning about the alphabet, the letters, their formation, their shape, their sound, so you are learning about conscious creation through such venues as Abraham: Jerry and Esther Hicks. Jane Roberts and Seth and many other sources of discarnate intelligence whose knowledge has been in some cases watered down, made palatable to the masses and this is a fine beginning.

You are in terms of consciousness learning how to make your A’s, your B’s, your C’s, etcetera, etcetera. You are learning to associate sound with these formations but what do you do after that? What comes after? We understand the child’s exuberance at having learned how to make his letters and how to pronounce their sound and eventually to tie one letter to another and make a word but what do you do with that knowledge? Do you stop there and create entire novels about ABC’s? AA, BB, CC’s? And so on and so forth? Or do you continue the road to knowledge and education? And our point is that you are now learning the basis on a mass scale but what do you do with that knowledge? Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: Indeed! And some people may find it extraordinary that going to the market they can visualize an empty parking spot and lo and behold there is one whenever they need to park and this is fine. This is the surface-most aspects of conscious creation. The true nature of that material is to understand that wherever you thought you were shackled to your past, wherever you thought you were the prisoner of past events and circumstances that may even have wounded you physically, psychologically, psychically and otherwise, that you have within you the power, the ability to transform from the point of now, transform that so-called past and literally liberate yourselves from what you thought were burdens that you would have had to carry to your grave.

That is a deeper layer of conscious creation and deeper still is the ability to utilize the same methodologies from a greater perspective still and simultaneously create for yourselves a tomorrow and a week after and a month after and a year later, events and conditions and situations of life that once again confirm your beliefs. Creating a parking spot simply confirms that you believe you can do that. Creating your tomorrows, your next weeks, next months and next years is a totally different kind of confirmation. This is big league stuff, as you would call it. Do you follow?

(YES)

KRIS: That means that you would have as a people the ability to create governments that reflect your deeper needs and desires as a peaceful society as a mere example at the drop of a hat. Does that still make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: This does not mean that you will never again experience any kind of challenges; that all you need to do is sit on your duff and out of the rich, creative imagination of yours, all of life’s simple pleasures simply pop into your living room. That is not how it works. Conscious creation is also a kind of work. It requires conscientiousness, deliberate concentration and most specifically, a deeper awareness of self than you may ever have thought possible before. Sometime back we spoke about idea-atmospheres and idea concepts. Do you recall this?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: What do you recall of that material?

JOHN: There was a progression of ideas that started with the idea of an idea-atmosphere… uh no… I forget exactly.

MARK: Concept?

JOHN: Yeah, well first of all the idea of an idea. An idea passing through our consciousness with its own life before and after we interact with it? The idea that an idea itself can have multiplicity of associated ideas and they all become an idea-complex, and that for instance the idea of a car in our world requires a hundred thousand other ideas that have to do with gasoline and iron and metals and production lines and factories and rubber and on and on and on so that… and then on beyond that to the idea of idea-atmospheres; that we can invite into our lives that have quite a different tone than perhaps the ones we’ve been entertaining.

KRIS: Indeed. And in line with conscious creation as you understand it now and as you will very differently understand it ten years from now and a hundred years from now, creation begins in the now, in this moment and all of time and space adjusts itself to authenticate and confirm the idea and adjacent beliefs, again as you mentioned; the automobile. The creation of the automobile requires hundreds of different industries simultaneously including the creation of the proper minerals in the earth. Without that, the automobile as you know it would not exist. You would have had perhaps to create the coconut mobile.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Thus understanding conscious creation is in itself a complex multi-layered adventure. And in truth it is not so much a law; as has often been portrayed and presented such as the law of attraction where we have yet to meet enforcement officers. Suffice it to say, and all kidding aside, it is a property of consciousness, not specifically a law. This property of consciousness is innate to all of consciousness including “All That Is”. Even “All That Is’s”, if one must go so far, but it is a property. It is entirely natural. That is what consciousness does. What you put in is what you get out. Does that also make sense?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: You could also say what you deposit is what you can withdraw.

JOHN: With interest.

KRIS: Indeed, depending upon the deposit.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Suffice it then to say that this property of consciousness can be recognized and utilized to your advantage. That is another aspect of this property of consciousness. As soon as you make the proper allowances, then all events, circumstances and situations are to your advantage, as far as YOUR personal construction of reality is concerned. Others participate for their own values as you do for your own values. Do you follow?

JOHN: Absolutely.

MARK: Oh yes.

KRIS: Thus by making that allowance, physical reality can only confirm the allowance itself. It will; physical reality will always confirm what you concentrate upon. Thus by making that allowance: that the whole of the universe leans towards your well-being regardless of events, conditions or situations, you immediately avail yourself of an incredible advantage, and as we said earlier this does not mean the elimination of even the slightest challenge. You MAY STILL break a nail or even have an occasional bad hair day but you will at least have a deeper understanding on what challenge you have just presented to yourself and in that way transform the situation because its advantages will have shown up for you. So do not think that conscious creation is the magic wand that will make all of your ills disappear, even bad hair days. You may still desire to create a few of those for the challenge. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yeah, that actually makes sense in a way when you think about it because in order for us to… as you said earlier, if the one absolute about consciousness is that it’s constantly changing and expanding, then whatever our present knowledge of self, there’s more. So that however much we make allowances for, there’s more that we haven’t yet made allowances for and how is it gonna show up except in a bad hair day to catch our attention?

MARK: And how can one define something that’s not static?

KRIS: And that is the very point. Consciousness is not static. It is not stagnant, it cannot be, it’s very nature prohibits this.

JOHN: So our very nature prohibits it too.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: Which is why when we try to stagnate we get bad teeth!

KRIS: Or it’s called fear and opposing.

MARK: How important is the imagination in this?

KRIS: It is absolute key. Without the imagination, what can one do? Imagine not having any imagination and you will find it very difficult. Now certain individuals may be more intellectually inclined, thus the word ‘think’ may be more appropriate. Others may be more visually inclined thus the word ‘see’ or ‘imagine’ may be more appropriate. Sometimes the word ‘pretend’ also works wonders. But all in all, the bottom line is, without the utilization of the imagination you have nothing. You can imagine nothing and have nothing. But we believe that most individuals would like to have something. They may not be able to have everything! How often have you read in the papers, seen on the television, read in books, heard others say ‘you can have it all!’ But what is having it all?

JOHN: And where would you put it?

KRIS: Indeed. We do not believe that you can even create a Mary Poppins bag. It is important to understand that the imagination, however you call it, is your most important and powerful tool. The most important of all, even if you do not yet fully understand the premise and the importance of the imagination, we highly recommend that you make some study of your own imagination and imaginative abilities and herein comes the challenge. Of all the things that you, as a child would have spoken about, the experiences of childhood, what is it that you are most often denied in? Your imagination. ‘It is nothing, little Johnny, it’s just your imagination’. Does that ring a bell?

MARK: Unfortunately.

JOHN: Oh yeah, fantasy. Just stop living in a fantasy world and get your head back to reality.

KRIS: Indeed. Get you head out of the clouds and come down to earth with the living and this is something that some and often many people struggle to come to terms with, even later on in life their fears of their own imagination becomes paramount.

JOHN: Can I ask you maybe to give us a little exercise around maybe restoring imagination to her throne in our life?

KRIS: It is possible, but not now.

JOHN: Alright.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: It is approximately quarter to eight.

KRIS: Indeed then, we suggest a small break. After which it might be possible to have callers if they so desire.

MARK: Okay, after break, the phone number to call when prompted will be 416-204-9723. Please wait for the prompt; Kris will let you know when. And please turn down the volume on your headphones or your speakers because there is a lag time. And at that, I’m going to go to break.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: Welcome back to Kris radio. We’ve been talking about… geez… quite a few topics tonight. I just wanted to point out for those people that aren’t familiar with some of the topics, a lot of that information is on the website: krischronicles.com, Kris with a ‘K’. For instance idea concepts, idea-atmospheres, idea-threads. All that information is there.

Also before I forget, I’d like to say hello to Gunnie in Florida and good morning to Emmy and Gert-Jan.

SERGE: It’s their morning already?

MARK: Oh no, not yet, but they’ll be listening at breakfast.

SERGE: And that’s right, they’re in Barcelona.

MARK: Barcelona. So it’s really exciting, what Kris had to say about… to summarize your story.

JOHN: Yeah, he’s a pretty good summarizer isn’t he? Well I was just saying actually during the break that he… the punch line which is so meaningful to me but which I forgot to mention was that the whole process that I underwent of course started with allowing rather than opposing my own self.

MARK: Very important.

JOHN: And it turns out you know, when I… it turns out that when I allow myself, I’m actually kind of a sweet guy! Like the more I learn about who I really am, the… honest to god, the more I feel I like myself.

MARK: It’s interesting because you’ve always been very bubbly and joyous since we’ve met you, but we’ve seen some great changes in your development and your personality and you’re opening up. And I think more so in the perspective… your perspective of your own self. What I’ve seen in you is a comfort level that you seem to be much more comfortable with your own self.

JOHN: Well actually that makes me very uncomfortable to have you say that…

(Chuckling)

JOHN: But apart from that, no, I agree with you. I… for a long, long time I’ve had a lot of tension in my neck and shoulders… and I mean for a decade or more… and that tension has eased dramatically. And I think it’s because I’m comfortable. I don’t feel I have to justify my existence to myself, I mean thinking about meaning… that’s our theme this year, is meaningfulness.

I have meaning, and the great thing I love about the meaning that is me is that it’s just in my BEING! Like I don’t have to say or do or produce anything to be meaningful. I only have to BE, and I can’t actually not be, so it’s a done deal!

MARK: Exactly, just because you are. And John’s story and this whole development of John a very… is something that everybody can do. I find we, as a group are moving in this direction and all of us are having these ‘A-has’, these epiphanies and revelations and breakthroughs. We’re learning to change our day to day lives for more joyous and healthier venues.

JOHN: No question, there’s a whole gang of us…

MARK: Worldwide.

JOHN: The Kris Chronicles groupies who have been on quite a ride this last six or eight months. I think the… I think Kris has entered the building.

KRIS: You could in a gentle and humorous fashion say that we are the building now.

(Laughter)

KRIS: As you mentioned a moment ago, you enjoyed just being you. And in order to recognize who you are, you had to simultaneously recognize whom or what you are not.

JOHN: Yes, big step.

KRIS: Indeed. And you discovered that contrary to your own popular beliefs, you are not a bad sort of fellow after all.

JOHN: No, I’m okay, more than okay, I’m kinda fun!

KRIS: Indeed. And this is an important point to make as to why many people… especially in the hustle and bustle of your modern world… find it difficult to simply enjoy being who they are because they are afraid that who they are is not likable. They are afraid that they might not be lovable, which of course is a set of beliefs that physical reality then confirms. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: But when you begin to turn the tables on these kinds of inner events and transform their nature, then you begin to see THAT reflected as a confirmation within physical reality. It begins to tell you that for all intents and purposes, you are an okay fellow, correct?

JOHN: Yes. As a matter of fact it’s kind of astonishingly amazing how we’ve constructed… from what I understand we had a role in constructing this physical dimension, but you could not design a better feedback mechanism for people wanting to understand how their concept of themselves was developing.

KRIS: Correct. Many times people write and ask us ‘how do I discover or get to know my beliefs? As an individual, what do I do to understand what it is that I believe?’ Usually we would like to point out time and again that all you need do to begin is to look about you in the world: the activities and actions of the world as they reflect upon you. And there, lo and behold, physical reality through its undeniable presence will point you to your beliefs as Phillip and Joseph have experienced with big companies. Telephone companies, cable companies especially during moves. Does that sound familiar?

MARK: (chuckling) Way too familiar.

KRIS: Indeed. You order the change of address and the new services at the new location often a month in advance. When the time comes, the company realizes that somehow or rather, the order never made it through. It was not dispatched. And you will say ‘that’s exactly what I expected from you’ and thus, what can the poor old company do but act upon your wishes.

However if you change your beliefs about these companies, because in truth they are reflections of what you think about yourselves, then tremendous changes can occur and the world can seem a much smoother and nicer place to be. But if you believe that every street corner harbors something that will stab you in the back, then this is what you will eventually encounter in one way or another. You may feel trampled upon, used and abused by everyone and everything and these outside manifestations are merely confirming what you hold as a belief or sets or beliefs or convictions.

By recognizing this, it becomes easier to know what you believe or are convinced of. And if truth must be mentioned, these acquired truths that you hold to are merely ideas to which you have given an extra amount of energy, holding it in your own mind as a truth. As soon as you change that mind and no longer need to invest energy in that or those ideas then there are no longer acquired truths, they are merely ideas that you can dispense with, move away from, create new ones that will reflect admirably what it is that you now hold. You cannot withhold yourself from investing energy in ideas. But what you invest energy in can be controlled by you. That is what conscious creation is all about, that is in many respects the secret of ‘The Secret’. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes, it does.

JOHN: Could you… we cannot control ourselves from investing energy in ideas.

KRIS: You will always do that. That is the nature of your interaction with time-space even to the point of having an idea about who you are.

JOHN: But you…

KRIS: You cannot withhold energy from that.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: What KIND of ideas you have control of. Do you understand the difference?

JOHN: Yes, and so the trick then is to move our attention, which we have control over, towards the ideas that resonate with us, with who we think we are.

KRIS: Correct. For instance, to utilize a rather mundane and perhaps even slightly crude example, most individuals in the modern society utilize banks, correct?

(Yes)

KRIS: That is where you make transactions and exchanges of monetary energies of many kinds. You are not however, forced to utilize a bank over another. That is your choice, the one that appeals to you the most, you deal with, correct?

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And even how you deal with that bank is of course governed by your beliefs. But still, you make use of the banking system, but again you are not forced to utilize one bank over another. The manner you invest your energies with a bank is up to you. Similarly, you are not forced to go with one idea over another but you will utilize ideas. You will invest energy in them. These become often your acquired truths and out of these come your physical representations, the universe as you perceive it through your senses. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, it’s amazing but it makes sense.

KRIS: So the point is, what is your investment and with what are you investing your mental energies?

JOHN: That raises an interesting question for me, Kris. It used to be when I was a kid growing up, I thought that the goal of playing with ideas was to figure out what was true. And once that was nailed down… then you know… you could carry on. Now, we’ve begun to understand that that is… you know… not a very helpful thing to do, particularly as time goes on and what was true then isn’t nearly as true now. So what is our best stance vis-à-vis ideas? In other words, is our best approach to just go from idea to idea as they reflect our best understanding of who we are? Just moving freely from idea to idea, is that…

KRIS: You will always encounter a multitude of ideas and ideas also flow towards you, depending on what kind of ideas you attract. Thus if you have a particular conviction, of very strong in nature that government agencies are out to get you, then you will also attract other relatable ideas and energies. But once you understand that this is not reality, it is merely a reflection of your beliefs, you can literally transform your investments into something more palatable unless of course your entire intent is focused solely upon playing victim to higher agencies of that nature. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, I think so. So when … so really the ideas we’re playing with don’t become an issue until they start cramping our style.

KRIS: Until you decide to invest energy in them making them cramp your style. You are cramping the ideas.

JOHN: Oh, that’s interesting.

KRIS: You are imprisoning the energy.

MARK: So the key here would be to pay attention to what you’re focusing on…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Which ideas…

KRIS: Become aware, develop an awareness. And the idea, pardon the pun, is not to begin attacking ideas but to pay attention to what you focus upon. Become aware of your self, where you want to be in that respect. Does that also make sense?

JOHN: Yes I think so. And where you want to be ends up being an expression of who you are or who you feel you are. In other words the preferences you have… I don’t want to feel that the government is a big conspiracy. I want to feel that the government is reflecting my own peaceful, happy, productive, creative perspectives. Then the reason that that idea is more attractive to me is that this is my understanding of myself, that I am a peaceful, creative…

KRIS: Indeed. And it is much more advantageous. It simply means you will no longer have to pull teeth simply to get a civil servant on the telephone.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Because your experiences with your version of the government agencies will be palatable.

JOHN: Well that raises a question for me that always boggles my mind. There are six billion or so people on the planet. Each one of us is inhabiting, in essence, a different universe. In other words, if the whole universe bends itself around to confirm the ideas I have, then that’s equally true for the other five billion nine hundred and humpty bajillion people.

KRIS: Correct. And though the statement might sound contradictory, there is a relatively simple explanation because the universe is the individual.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: So if there are six billion individuals, how many universes, in theory do you have?

JOHN: You’ve got six billion universes.

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: But it seems like one.

KRIS: And yet, you manage to find it within your lovely hearts to cooperate very nicely to one degree or another, for the most part.

JOHN: Yeah, that’s the part that boggles my mind is that the six billion universes seem on the surface to be one! Now that’s a nice trick!

KRIS: It is the result of a collective co-creation.

MARK: Which would be six billion and one.

(Laughing)

KRIS: Now we believe that it is possible, if individuals wish to call, they have a number to call to.

MARK: The number to call: 416-204-9723. The line is open.

KRIS: In the meantime, you have written questions?

MARK: Okay, let’s see here… from Kathleen in the United States: ‘When you are unsure what your true passion is, a passion that if followed can lead you to the prosperity and abundance you seek in life, how does one go about reaching inside deep enough to discover that true passion, talent and skill to pursue?’

KRIS: We believe this is a dilemma encountered by many people, especially when their own true passions may have been denied from the beginning. However such a situation would require a good deal of introspection and a development of awareness to understand both what one is and what one is not, as we have described in the ‘Who Are You’ series of audio recordings. That is a good starting place. From there, the individual can determine what draws their attention the most, what areas of life, what careers and orientations may draw them the most, what they feel the most attracted to. However there is a key here. And the key is to actually take steps and follow the directions as they come to you and not simply wait and wait and wait until everything is put at your feet, but to actually walk the mile to the destination. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And that is something that is most crucial, even. Is to actually take the time to do the work, travel the miles, even ‘pound the pavement’ we believe is often used as an expression. Do the research, the investigation and take action. Often confusion comes when the individual refuses, actually opposes action, even though it is the key ingredient. And that resistance, that opposing is often all that stands between them and their desired goal. So find what you resist, what you oppose the most so that you can take action in the right direction. That is important.

(Phone rings)

KRIS: Now is this a caller?

MARK: No.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I feel that that question ties in nicely with the conversation that we’ve been having all night. Ties right in with ‘The Secret’, the imagination, paying attention to what you’re focusing on.

We have another question here from Tom in Hawaii: ‘Kris said that the present is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future. How far can we go when we change our interpretation of a past event? Example: A parent beats a twelve year-old boy and shaves his head as punishment for staying out late and talking with girls. Since we can change our memory of the past, can this be beneficial to be remembered as the parent gave me a really hip haircut and offered suggestions for socializing with girls then taught me some really cool boxing moves.’

KRIS: We are not specifically in agreement with that last statement. That will also discount the individual on so many levels. It would be an attempt to cover up the original experience and the subconscious self is not blind to any such attempt. Our suggestion would be first and foremost to examine the situation from a completely different vantage point, a somewhat dispassionate observance, perhaps attempt an understanding of the parents’ points of view and perhaps their fears and worries. Secondly, allow sufficient forgiveness and an understanding that the individual, apparently victimized by these actions has angers and resentments that need to be addressed. And then release any energies locked into those processes, remove those blocks. You might still remember a slightly unpleasant youthful experience but it will no longer carry the charge that it used to and there is no need to disguise it into something else. Do you follow that?

MARK: Yes, yes very much… and we have a caller.

KRIS: Indeed!

MARK: Barbara from Toronto, Hello Barbara!

BARBARA: Oh hi, this is Barbara, hello everybody. I’m really enjoying listening to this session but I have a question regarding I guess, beliefs. You have been talking about imagination and how you can think about your beliefs and go through them but I have trouble with emotional attachment to beliefs cause certain beliefs I totally rationalize it, I understand, I try to change it but emotionally, I’m not really there, so if you could maybe have a few words about emotional attachment to beliefs, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed! As you yourself have come to realize you may have indeed a large amount of emotional investment in certain situations. Some people experience secondary gain from perhaps playing the part of a victim in one situation or another. Such attachments of an emotional nature are tied into different layers and even intensities of angers and resentments. And that is where healing work may need to be done, releasing that anger and resentment. Understanding that underneath this lies deep wells of powerful transformative loving energies. And as soon as the angers and the resentments are released thus transforming that blocked energy, then the deeply buried loving energy can start to flow once again. And of course this is in a nutshell, but there are many beautiful modalities that can assist in this process and we believe that EFT would be an excellent candidate, thus we urge you to investigate this and make great use of it.

MARK: EFT being ‘emotional freedom technique’, emofree.com

KRIS: Correct. We believe that even Sohars is a good EFT coach.

JOHN: Yes, thank you. EFT is fabulous and if you go to Gary Craig’s website: emofree.com, you can actually… he’s an amazing guy… it’s all free, you can download a manual with the exact instructions with how to apply EFT to yourself. It’s easy, fun and quite dramatic.

KRIS: And relatively painless.

JOHN: Completely painless. I think Barb is off…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: We have another six, seven minutes left. Any callers?

By the way, Kris refers to Sohars, that’s John, his Essence name; Phillip and Joseph, I’m Phillip and Serge is Joseph.

JOHN: Yeah, it’s interesting actually, that raises a question for me because I think of myself as John and Kris, you invariably refer to me as Sohars, so who am I? I think I’m both. But is the reference to Sohars to kind of jog us… thinking about investing our energy and ideas… I’ve invested a lot of energy in the idea that I’m John and is that to kinda help me to move my attention to a slightly broader aspect of myself?

KRIS: Indeed, a wider, broader, larger, grander definition. It seems each one of you is more than the sum of your parts. Those are the parts you may not know of or be aware of. Thus having as essence name can indeed assist you in directing some of your awareness in that neighborhood. It can be said that the individual is truly a nation of selves. Just as a city is composed of many neighborhoods, the self can also be composed, compared to a city with very many neighborhoods, each distinct and unique in its own flavor.

JOHN: With their own restaurants.

KRIS: Correct.

MARK: I find it’s a very useful tool just like the nine Sisters it’s a way of personalizing larger aspects of self to… in my perspective, makes me much more aware that Mark is not powerless. There’s a lot of power behind him, a lot of tools and resources to call upon.

KRIS: Now do you have another caller?

MARK: No.

KRIS: Convince them.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: But what you were saying, Mark is interesting cause one of the things that I’m becoming more and more aware of is… as I move my attention to the broader aspects of myself, Sohars for instance, Johnny, like little old local focal personality here named Johnny is also more than the sum of his parts.

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: And is quite a splendid being in his own right however focused that may be.

KRIS: Indeed. Consider for a moment that for so much of your life you have lived in one neighborhood, one intersection. You know all the various entrepreneurs and stores in that area but because that is all you have investigated you are unaware that not only are there adjacent neighborhoods but there is an entire city composed of perhaps even hundreds and hundreds of different neighborhoods. Thus by spreading your awareness around, discovering these various other neighborhoods, you travel into the greater dimension of your self and you discover that city. And then to your GREAT surprise, there are adjacent cities with their own neighborhoods.

JOHN: I know it gets wide.

KRIS: And there are cities after cities after cities that compose an entire country or nation.

JOHN: Now before we get into the intergalactic aspect of me, we have another caller.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: It’s Reed from New Orleans. Hello Reed, you’re on the air.

REED: Hey Kris?

KRIS: Indeed.

REED: Hi it’s Reed. Good to talk to you.

KRIS: Indeed and we trust that you have seen what newworldview has done with your image or representation of us.

REED: Yes, very happy to see that as well. Good to see it on the Kris Chronicles website.

KRIS: Indeed. You have a question or observation?

REED: Yeah, I was just… when I’m working myself on changing beliefs and trying to institute new beliefs, the one thing that never seemed really concrete to me was how do you make… how do you anchor a new belief? How do you get when you have examined your old beliefs and assumptions and you want to begin on a new foot? Can you talk about that at all?

KRIS: Indeed. We will little bit as time is now diminishing, but suffice it so say that, an excellent strategy again, is to recognize the investment of energy that you have put in the present state of your beliefs. Do you follow?

REED: I believe so.

KRIS: And then work on, even at the beginning an opposite belief. For instance you believe that you are ineffective in your world. Then you can begin releasing that energetic charge around that set of convictions and start also focusing upon the fact that you are a worthy and worthwhile individual and that you start acting upon that premise. And though it may take days or weeks for physical reality to start confirming even incremental changes of those beliefs it will nonetheless begin to be so. And one of the points is to be patient and practical. If for instance you are five foot nine and you want to be six foot ten, we would not advise investing in that kind of energy. Do you follow?

REED: Yes, I guess I’ll have to give up on those dreams of playing professional basketball, though.

KRIS: That is correct. But you can play semi-professional shortstop basketball.

REED: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:30.

KRIS: Indeed then. We thank one and all for your lovely consideration and may all of you investments be wise.

(Thank you, Kris)

MARK: I’d like to also thank all our listeners all around the world. Be sure to check out the krischronicles.com, the lotus mind workshop as well as newworldview.com, the community forums, discussion forums on the Kris material. I’m sure John will have a nice summary of this evening.

SERGE: And who knows maybe you will meet some of our listeners at out workshop in June.

MARK: Thanks for listening to Kris radio here on Natradio [now called www.thatradio.com]. Goodnight everybody.

(Session ends)

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