Tempest in a Teapot

October 29, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 29, 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and Joshua K.

[MARK’S NOTES: Myrna was explaining that on her recent trip to Vancouver, she was able to speak to family members in ways that she has not been able to before. They used to dismiss her, because of her spiritual views, but NOW, she is able to word her sentences in such a way that they agree with her. She attributes this to listening to Kris week after week.]

(7:44 PM)

KRIS: We’re glad that you do not mind this windy old voice, at least once in awhile and if you notice what has transformed within you, you will appreciate many things, first and foremost that you have started resonating with your authentic self. In many ways you have stopped listening to all of the other voices and stories from other people within you and have begun to use your own voice. That is the authentic self.

And we believe that in many respects, even your ancient Judaic traditions, more specifically the mystical aspects of the Kabbalah, teach very many similar things, worded differently, over thousands of years, the meaning re-interpreted and even misinterpreted, but overall the basic teachings are very similar.

And that is how you not only create your perspective, but as you have pointed out ever so gently and authentically, you are the energy that creates solar systems, so this means that you pack a great deal of energy — energy to move the atoms and molecules, energy to express your Being. That makes a marked difference from someone who has misplaced their awareness and has begun to accept the stories of others as their own. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Yes. It also explains to me why I chose to isolate myself for the last decade. I knew that I needed to get in touch with my own voice.

KRIS: Indeed. You have been on a pilgrimage of sorts. It is a good thing indeed that your pilgrimage did not include a vow of silence.

(Chuckling)

MYRNA: What shocked me today, Kris, was last night I had a dream that was related to my daughter’s fiancé, and something happened — and I don’t want to share that because it feels very private — but she walked in today in tears suggesting something had happened between them which is exactly what had happened in my dream last night. And I remember you saying of dreams that sometimes they can…what’s the word?

MARK: Precognitive elements.

MYRNA: Precognitive elements and I think wow…. does that mean that all of us can receive those messages when we’re open?

KRIS: That is correct. The apparent separateness, one individual from the other is just that: apparent. These are the props, whilst in reality there are exchanges and communications both at the cellular, biological level and this has been demonstrated many times even in scientific laboratory conditions. Even with enemies.

And you are also, in more than one way, bound by consciousness, because in truth, just as there are no brown quarks, red quarks, green quarks, square quarks and round quarks, but merely one quark behaves in different ways, so there is one consciousness that behaves in many different ways that expresses itself in an unlimited and unfathomable way.

So you are all interconnected. Quantum physics may, sooner than later, actually be able to resonate with that perspective and demonstrate to one degree or another that all of consciousness communicates. They have scratched the surface with experimentations concerning natural disasters and people’s pre-emptive responses.

And we sincerely hope that perhaps in the next fifteen to twenty or so years they will demonstrate it to such levels that it will be irrefutable, but that irrefutability is only in the eye of the refuter…or not. For someone who does not want to see, they will keep their eyes closed. For someone who does not want to acknowledge, they will keep denying, and that is their choice. But as we have expressed in the past, when someone makes such a choice they must, if at least unconsciously, acknowledge the thing that has to be ignored. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Yes it does.

KRIS: It simply means that they have no desire to change the present paradigm of their perceptions because it might involve too great a change and they would feel indeed overwhelmed. Thus it is easier to stay with what is known than to venture into the unknown and cause untold upsets. Thus, do not upset the applecart. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Yes. I’m aware that I’ve felt quite shaken today by being aware of something that had happened to (name edited out) I feel quite shaken by it.

KRIS: And we believe at the same time you also felt a certain level of being –

MYRNA: That I’d never…I never…I’m sorry –

KRIS: Indeed, but we would say a certain kind of….quiet, unassuming boldness. And we do not mean this in any negative fashion, but it is an enjoyable state to feel so emboldened.

MYRNA: Mmhm. Yes, I would agree. Very much.

JOSHUA K.: [Jumping in.] I wanted to ask you, Kris, are you familiar with an entity called Bruno Groening?

KRIS: Perhaps we will be more familiar with your lovely interpretation?

JOSHUA K.: You want more info.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: So you are not familiar with him offhand? He’s a German fellow, he’s dead now. He lived in the middle of the century. I think he died at the age of 50, around 1957 or so and when he was young he had certain kinds of spiritual experiences, but anyway, when he grew older he discovered he had really a very strong power of healing. In Germany he would go through various towns and people would flock to him by the hundreds, even thousands actually. Many, many people got healed by him just through his presence. Some of those illnesses actually had been lifetime illnesses, like paralysis and so on. Anyhow I wanted to ask you what is the scientific basis for that kind of healing, or if that kind of healing really is genuine.

KRIS: If someone was paralyzed for decades and suddenly is able to move at will, without any impediments, we believe that could be considered some kind of healing, do you not agree?

JOSHUA K.: Yes, so I’m asking….assuming that it’s really true, that all these documented healings did happen, what is the scientific basis, how did it actually happen? What’s the anatomy of that kind of healing….on the molecular level?

KRIS: First and foremost, it must be understood that throughout the ages there have been many individuals with such abilities, some on a smaller scale and some on a larger scale. Not all are well-received in their communities depending upon the mindset of the times, the views about these things at different times. But for all intents and purposes, these individuals, whether men or women, are able to tap into that portion or aspect of their own Self that can trigger releases and alignments when…..we will simply use the word “patient”….also recognizes that this potential is theirs to act upon. Such a healer cannot necessarily impart healing to an unwilling subject, cannot force the individual to be well in those terms. Do you follow so far?

JOSHUA K.: Yes, totally.

KRIS: When they are greeted by a few, by many, or even by large crowds, these are all individuals who need a symbol to give themselves permission and authority to let go of their patterns that keep them locked into the habits that they have developed. Give themselves permission through the authority of the healer to be well again.

JOSHUA K.: So basically what you’re saying,,. what I’m understanding is it’s an indirect placebo effect. It’s another version or form of the placebo effect.

KRIS: One must be careful in the use of the word “placebo” simply because in many clinical trials, placebo actually is very powerful. In some trials even –

JOSHUA K.: — More powerful than the drug itself.

KRIS: Exactly.

JOSHUA K.: So basically you’re saying the man who heals actually becomes a symbol, permitting the individual to heal himself.

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: If you remember in some of the past sessions, if all illness in the human body starts in the mind.

JOSHUA K.: I understand that. That’s why I’m trying to understand the mechanics of this…so basically…so that particular individual has no really….specifically any healing powers. It doesn’t work that he has something in his hand or his aura or in his vibes that actually fixes things in the other person.

KRIS: He had allowed himself to be utilized as that kind of an instrument. Now in some cultures this is carefully considered under the umbrella of religious doctrine, such as, a saintly priest or monk or nun who has been endowed by a higher power to heal others. That is the interpretation and it works well and it is respectable. It is within the paradigms of those situations.

JOSHUA K.: I have observed that almost every form of modality of healing, the very basic of….let’s say chiropractic, to laying on of hands, to supernatural healers to placebo effect and so on…they’re always, whichever doctor or practitioner it is, the testimonials always prove that somebody got healed. And then it occurred to me that basically it’s not necessarily that this modality or that modality that actually healed the people, it’s that basically different people will be activated in a form of placebo effect by different authorities and then the practitioner will say, “Oh, it’s because I fixed his back, he got healed,” or “because I laid my hands on him he got healed…”

KRIS: The rational, logical mind needs those specific baubles. The testimonial vows are very important as it lets another individual [know] that he or she can also give themselves permission – even if unconsciously – to allow this individual to be the gateway to their well-being.

JOSHUA K.: So basically in a very strange sort of way, all these things are really placebo effect forms of healing.

KRIS: We can use another language, and this is also quite acceptable: the entire human race and every single individual within the human race, past, present, future and any other tense that you wish to invent, hypnotizes themselves into their conditions. When you see a hypnotist or hypnotherapist, he or she merely acts in such a manner as to de-hypnotize you from your present condition and make available to you other choices that you already can access, thus releasing that which has locked the individual into the hypnotic state of their illness.

And it does work because you all walk in a trance state, some far more suggestible than others. Thus, when you learn what it is that you do to and with yourselves when you utilize such things as the Triple ‘A’ method — Acknowledge, Address, and Accept — it lets you see or understand or perceive how you have been maintaining sometimes unhealthy negative habits and break that hypnotic state so that you can activate other, healthier patterns. The hypnotist merely acts as a facilitator.

JOSHUA K.: Sometimes I do see very clearly, I observe, become aware of patterns of my behavior, certain emotional states and so on, but despite of my awareness and supposedly wisdom of observing that, the behavior seems to persist, or the pattern or the illness and so on….

KRIS: And you wonder why. Why does it persist? As do many, many individuals. We would even dare say that noticing and becoming slightly aware itself may not be all that is needed. There might be other things needed, such as observing what benefits the individual may derive from their particular habits or patterns. Other times it is necessary to go to the root and understand when the patterns or habits, destructive self-sabotaging behavior may have been accepted and transform them.

There are many tools available to do this. For instance, first of all, the parent would not necessarily let the small child run around the house with a big meat cleaver. Secondly, if the child DOES take the knife, the child may not be willing to give it back unless he gets something in return such as a toy that he likes, or a lollipop, or something enticing to replace the need or the desire to hold the knife with something more appropriate. Do you follow?

JOSHUA K.: Yes.

KRIS: So it is necessary to understand that simply acknowledging a situation is not sufficient. Addressing the situation begins then the process, looking at potential root causes for the behavior, seeing its effects in one’s life and determining how one would turn this around. What kind of other behavior, whether physical or psychological would be necessary to produce different outcomes. What kind of expectations and perceptions to cultivate, to transfer the focus from one pattern to another, but in a more productive, healthy fashion. This has to do with ADDRESSING.

Then, ACCEPTING includes both accepting the past, meaning there is no need to judge others nor oneself for whatever destructive or unhealthy patterns were developed, they were simply chosen at that time as being necessary. Now you have outgrown them. Accepting also includes taking into consideration the new developments within self, the new anticipation, the new expectations that produce outcome and how those outcomes will keep flourishing in one’s life. These are all part of Acknowledging, Addressing, and Accepting. So it is always work in one sense of the word. Do you follow?

JOSHUA K.: Yes.

KRIS: So it is not a magical process in one sense where suddenly you become aware that, for instance, with some people they have put a cigarette to their lips. More is involved.

JOSHUA K.: I once asked a channeler years ago….I asked him that….over the years I’ve heard of spontaneous healing where somebody was being healed [of an illness they had] all their life…in an instant they became healthy, completely healthy. And I asked him if it’s possible and how does it come about and he answered, “It can only happen if your soul wants it to be so. Then it can be instantaneous.”

KRIS: We would tend to disagree with that statement. That statement implies that you have been ill at the mercy of Soul, that you have been nothing more than a pawn to get their…cosmic jollies in so many ways. The individual that experiences spontaneous healing — and there are more cases of spontaneous healing than you can shake a healing stick at — the individual, consciously or unconsciously, has chosen something other than their previous condition or situation.

So they have released what they bound themselves up with. They have removed the yoke and freed the albatross so to speak. Not all individuals are consciously aware. It may have occurred in deep dream states or even unconscious actions that produced a spontaneous outcome, but it is the individual’s choice. No individual is ever at the mercy of an outside force or agency, soul included. That is not how Soul or actions works.

JOSHUA K.: I also remember in the Seth books, I think he mentioned something at one point, he said…every human being, or every soul, has guides. Can you comment on that? What does it mean or what is it that those guide actually do?

KRIS: We believe that Seth has explained this in Seth Speaks. All individuals have an incredible amount of energy. In some ways, some of that energy is personalized. There are occasions when an acquaintance of that individual may come to nudge them or to remind them of their intentions, of their power. But it is not, as it is very popular on the New Age front, that everyone has guardian angels and spirit guides and ancient Indian guides and so on and so forth, far too many people at the dinner table.

Ultimately the individual is responsible for his or her growth and does partition segments of their own energies in a personalized fashion to remind themselves of their authenticity, of their power, of their grace and blessings. Sometimes that energy takes the form of what is popular at the time, and it may appear to be some kind of angelic being or classic spirit guide being, but understand that these individuals are of your own creations.

JOSHUA K.: So we create symbol outside of ourselves.

KRIS: Within yourselves. You simply project it outside.

JOSHUA K.: Right.

KRIS: As you yourselves are outside projections of your own Being. (To Myrna) Does that make sense to you, oh great and knotty one?

MYRNA: (Chuckling) I’m listening!

KRIS: Indeed. Do you have other questions or inquiries perhaps?

MYRNA: (After a pause) I’d like to verify my understanding on something, if I may. I am now working with the assumption that nothing appears in my external world if it is not in my internal world first. Would that be true?

KRIS: Accurate.

MYRNA: Yes. So situations or people that appear are there as reflections of something that I am wanting to pay attention to.

KRIS: That is correct.

MYRNA: Okay. (Laughing) I know that! We’ve talked about this several times and every now and again I get stumped by a situation that arises.

KRIS: Perhaps a slightly different approach to enchant yourself with the magnificent, miraculous, spontaneous, creative energies that you almost gleefully display into the world about you so that you can familiarize yourself with your own energies.

MYRNA: Yes. I can be gleeful about them, is what you’re saying.

KRIS: Be joyous! Have fun with life.

MYRNA: Joyous, yeah. And influence…..um, can I influence, or….I think I know the answer to this, but….can I provide some sort of positive influence when somebody close to me is going through some painful stuff?

KRIS: That is correct. You may not necessarily hit them over the head with it, but by being who you are, they will choose to respond or not. They will take from your presence, from your influence, that which they need in their lives as they so choose. You see, the world and life is about choice, but CHOICE is about communication. Not only of individuals with each other, but the individual with Self.

There is a constant interaction between the ego construction aspect of the personality and the greater Essence aspect of Self. There is constant interaction, communication in many ways, at many levels and these all include numberless choices. Choices equal to possibilities and once you become even slightly aware of those kinds of interactions within your Self, it can be extremely freeing, especially when someone may be conflicted, perhaps even burdened with issues of guilt and shame from their past, to know that they have choices, they can BEHAVE differently.

And sometimes even a light acknowledgement of such situations can open up for them pathways to well-being they may never have considered otherwise. And the more despairing an individual is the more he or she believes they have less or no choice left. That is also a kind of choice. Influences can come in a great variety of forms, the best source of influence is by being who you are, which provides the other with the knowledge that perhaps they too have access to many choices, choices that can free them from their burdens that can put wings on their backs so they can fly and soar above their sometimes overwhelming situations. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: It does. As you were speaking I was reminded of something that I used to…when I was reading Abraham’s work…about we can’t insert ourselves into someone else’s reality. There’s something about that that does not ring true for me and I’m wanting to…..I have recently really started to see my ability to heal as I move forward as I heal myself, and I share that journey with others.

And I’m wondering….I’m in a situation now with my daughter where she’s experiencing a lot of pain….and I think about shamans and I’m wondering…I’m wondering what the best way for me to help is. I hear you suggest that it’s by my helping her to see she has choices.

KRIS: By availing yourself of YOUR choices. You could for example become depressed, despondent and go to the bottom of the barrel where she is, too. But what would two people at the bottom of the barrel really do to help each other?

MYRNA: Nothing.

KRIS: Indeed. (In a subtly humorous tone) You could, however, scream louder….However, if one remains at the top of the barrel and says, “Here, you have a choice. You can take my hand, and by taking my hand understand that it is possible to haul yourself out.” That demonstrates not only compassion, but a demonstration of your abilities to choose for yourself, giving her the opportunity to remember that she also has choices in how she wishes to behave.

MYRNA: What did you say? “You can take my hand…” I mean figuratively or literally –

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: “You can take my hand and –”

KRIS: “By taking my hand you can haul yourself out of the barrel.” Because the [two] hands touching initiates a response that they can reach and that is a powerful choice. When an individual believes they no longer have the power to reach out to the ones who reach for them, then it becomes bleaker and bleaker.

MYRNA: That’s for sure. I know that…..You know that’s very simple, but very powerful.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we suggest a small break.

(Break at 8:22 PM)

MARK: Something I wanted to say here pertaining to both of your conversations: as an individual who has gone through great depths of despair and very serious illness to the point of near-death, I realize now that, of course, for those individuals that aren’t just going there because they seriously want to opt out of this physical reality, for those that DO want help, their beliefs may be that “I have no help. I have nowhere to be but here, and I can go no further. I’m on a downhill slope.” And it takes… sometimes, a belief in a miracle. “That’s all that can help me now is a miracle.”

As an individual who has been in deep depths of despair and illness, I find because I DID not want to be there that Self, at those times, came through in very strange and unique ways that I can only say at times was a miracle or extreme. In other words, I had blocked off the regular communications with Self and I kept going downhill into despair and illness.

But because that’s not where I wanted to be, other sources came through for me in what I can only say was left field, far left field, so when you’re getting to these miracle workers, these people… that may be their belief structure: “That may be the only thing that can help me now is somebody else, a god, a miracle-worker, a healer.” For some people, its medicine, its drugs, its prescriptions, its surgery. It all depends on your beliefs, and for other people they cannot be cured because they seriously are going out.

MYRNA: It also occurs to me that it may be one of those times when you watch Benny Hinn, for example or the man that you are talking about [Bruno Groening] that they may have just completely surrendered because there is nothing left and I just think sometimes in the surrender there is an opening for a hand or whomever, you know?

MARK: Exactly.

JOSHUA K.: That’s an interesting thing that you mentioned. I’d like to ask Kris about this whole concept of surrender. I just read…do you know Brandon Bays? She is a very strong personality in the New Age health movement, California I think she was originally from New York, now she lives in England or South Africa….she went through a very interesting personal misfortune, like her house burned down, her husband left her, she got cancer of the uterus the size of a basketball, and yet [preceding] all this she was extremely healthy, she ate raw foods, she was really a symbol of total health in many ways.

Spiritually, emotionally, she was doing all the work, [such as] Reiki and NLP, and all her life was devoted to become spiritually a good human being. And then her house burned down and then her husband left and then she finds a basketball-sized tumor in her uterus, and she consulted her holistic doctors and they said, “Look, this is huge, there’s no way you can do this on your own or holistically, you have to go to Emergency and get this thing [removed].”

And she insisted that she wanted to try to heal it herself….and anyway, so in her book she goes into this inwardly and finally heals herself completely, like two or four weeks later she goes into X-ray and nothing shows up. Then she had a very interesting experience where she overheard a certain guru say “If you can stay within the emotion and not veer away from it whatsoever, on the contrary, experience and welcome that emotion and love that emotion, however much in despair that emotion is, then if you go deeper and deeper into that emotion, that negative emotion will dissipate.”

So she decided to do it one day, out of total desperation from her situation, and the whole description of that occurred in her book of course, she went deeper and deeper into absolute loneliness where she said even the chairs and the walls were [symbols of] absolute loneliness, and out of that…..but she did not try to escape it or suppress it, on the contrary, she just went even deeper and deeper until everything in the universe became despair. But she went even further and further…

MARK: Triple ‘A’.

JOSHUA K.: [continuing] … Until she came to a kind of black hole, where everything was black and she was frightened because she felt that this was the end, that she would just disappear and she kept [feeling like] resisting, but throughout she kept going. She said she would not waver from the course and at some point something gave in and she totally surrendered into that utter desperation and she came through that sort of black hole and she experienced on the other side absolute total peacefulness and euphoria, one of those altered states that enlightened people often talk about……and actually, I’d like to talk to Kris…

MARK: That sounds very much like the Triple ‘A’ process.

JOSHUA K.: Anyway, so through that experience — she called it “the Journey” — she discovers something and then she started talking about it and teaching other people how to do it, basically just going into the emotions, going absolutely deep into the emotions and coming through it and now she goes around, worldwide, forty-four weeks of the year lecturing in different parts of the world…now it’s taught in 132 schools in South Africa, in hospitals, the whole process of journeying into yourself. She’s really a remarkable person.

MARK: What do you understand from all of that?

JOSHUA K.: Actually the thing that interested me is that I remember Krishnamurti saying often that human beings are invariably, continuously escaping all the time. It’s like we’re almost like…we never stay still in the moment, we are always trying to escape from the moment, through conversation, through a phone call, through television, through thinking, through writing…we never are in the moment. And he also said if you stay through loneliness completely, then loneliness disappears. And then when I read about her, I was fascinated…

MARK: I think I know what you’re saying here, what you’re understanding is that the human being is the cause and the source of the illness AND of the healing. All of these stories are each of an individual creating their own pain and getting themselves out.

JOSHUA K.: Completely. Totally.

(Kris returns at 8:31 PM)

KRIS: In that same vein with your beautiful story it is important to recognize that the more your society acts upon the need to produce, produce, produce at the expense of the individual, the individual loses sight of himself or herself, therefore NEEDS to constantly go, as a bee, from flower to flower, looking for the means to escape their situation.

When illness seems to strike out of nowhere causing havoc and destruction and despair, the individual has so much forgotten who he or she is, that they are no longer in touch with that communication, that ability to choose. What the individual you described did then is go through the depth of her own despair to its core, realizing that in truth what she hid from herself is actually the very same love she was teaching others prior to the incident.

She chose a method to demonstrate to herself that there is indeed a deep source of love within the individual in spite of all appearances, in spite of the darkest hour possible, it can be neutralized and dissipated by recognizing that behind it is a true, deep, powerful source of love.

And the method does work because it is so powerful. By focusing on the one item you increase your perceptions to the exclusion of everything else. It is in many respects, again, a type of self-hypnosis and the technique itself is very often used. When anyone takes a moment to get off the treadmill of the official line of consciousness and actually examine whom and what they are, then they can initially find the shadows that they have blinded themselves to for a long time, those parts of their lives that they have buried.

And once they start digging, digging the shadows from the darkness to the light of conscious perception, they do discover that underneath it all, life and who they are is built upon love. Does that make sense to you?

JOSHUA K.: Yes, totally. Is love the highest emotion in human existence?

KRIS: It is a very deep one, but the more powerful of them all is actually Eros.

JOSHUA K.: Which is?

KRIS: There is a dictionary behind you.

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: We would like you to work for it too!

[Kris waits for Joshua to look it up, but he refuses to pick up the dictionary.]

Suffice it to say that this Eros, which is a blend of loving erotic energies, is the driving fuel behind all of your creations. And the more creative an individual becomes, the more appreciative they are of their own erotic, sexual energies, because they go hand-in-hand — pardon the pun! — SO very often!

(Laughter)

MYRNA: I get that….I don’t…no, I don’t LIVE from that place, but I….in some shamanic training that I’ve done, they….that’s what they offer as well.

KRIS: The misconception is that erotic energies and Eros must somehow or other only relate to sex. That is not the point at all. Though sex MAY be involved, it is not the only focus.

JOSHUA K.: Wouldn’t “serenity of being” be a higher state than love? I think that’s what I was getting into.

KRIS: You are at peace with oneself when you are not conflicted, when you have no inner conflicts. And that comes out of recognizing the powerful loving energies that are at your disposal and being willing to utilize those energies. You spoke earlier of surrendering, correct?

JOSHUA K.: Yeah.

KRIS: What is it that you surrender to?

MARK: I would say Self.

MYRNA: For me….

KRIS: Let us re-phrase it: what is it that you are surrendering, period.

JOSHUA K.: As you just presented the question it occurred to me that in an ultimate way there is no such thing as surrender. You just be open, you are not surrendering anything, you are just being open.

KRIS: You are not surrendering to, but you could actually be surrendering.

MYRNA: Resistance, for me.

KRIS: Indeed, you are releasing your own resistances to Self, your own opposition. You are releasing it, letting go of its hold that YOU have upon it, not it on you. Nothing ever has a hold on you, but you may have a hold on many things. You hold ONTO.

JOSHUA K.: I often feel that I’m my own worst enemy where my own being, personality and so on, are the very thing that…it’s almost like the ego is…(Thoughtfully) I guess it would be becoming like a Buddhist concept where the ego is the source of the pain.

KRIS: We would rather say that the individual is often the source of his or her own pain. Ego has nothing to do with it.

JOSHUA K.: I wanted to ask you something I was thinking all week about. You know you often give us counsel as to life and so on. I wanted to ask you what would be some of YOUR issues that you are grappling with in your existence, if you could give us one or two examples of issues that you are struggling with, formulating or working with.

KRIS: Perhaps in ways that would make sense to you, some of our own struggles usually include better and different ways to communicate to those who would listen. We would consider that to be a challenge. And do not think that only members of your race listen to us. There are other places and other times where we speak, where the paradigms are very, very different from your own, where the belief structures, the belief systems, even conceptualizations about time, space, matter, are entirely different and so foreign to you, you might not even see it. We have to deal with THESE individuals.

JOSHUA K.: Could you give us an example of something that we might not even comprehend… that you are dealing with?

MARK: The physics might be entirely different…beyond what we –

JOSHUA K.: I know, something that really, totally incomprehensible –

KRIS: We would have to take you there and that could not happen until you actually leave behind your physical form.

MARK: I have a question then. The human condition, or let’s say Framework 1, you’ve just described many different Framework 1′s that you’re working within. We here are very conflicted and it seems to me from my understanding of the material that Framework 1 is a very conflicted place as opposed to Source, Essence. There’s no conflict at Essence level, correct?

KRIS: In that sense that is correct.

MARK: And Framework 1 only is conflicted because we’ve forgotten the experiment at hand.

KRIS: Because you forget that you have voices, that you have communications. So you get your knickers in a twist!

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: And you often create storms within teapots.

MARK: Oh, no kidding! (Laughs)

KRIS: It is indeed very often, quite amusing from certain perspectives.

MYRNA: I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself!

KRIS: PERCEIVE how the tiniest of events can sometimes unleash such destructiveness. That is why in the last International Session we referred to these situations as “thimble worldviews.”

MYRNA: (Laughing)

MARK: If we could only take the time to look at our own little tempests, and see, and experience the POWER that we have, and reverse it out to the opposite extreme –

KRIS: That can only occur when you realize that you are in a teapot. You must come OUT of the teapot, out of your box. Think outside your teapot, outside of your thimble to recognize what it is that you are doing. And that is why we have now for several years put so much emphasis on acknowledging, addressing and accepting. This will definitely assist you in recognizing that your thimble is not your universe. It is only a limited perception of reality that you hold. And again, it has no hold upon you, YOU have a hold upon IT.

MARK: It’s very interesting [how] many people, including myself, can have a very good understanding of the material, and an understanding of what we’re speaking about, but I find that once we get into situations where illness does arrive, or despair, it’s very easy to jump back into that thimble view and that teapot view.

KRIS: Indeed, because there is still a holding onto those belief patterns that somehow you still hold close to yourselves. And when illness or some other situation comes about, then you say, “SEE! I am powerless! I am a victim, I am powerless, I have no abilities because I have been overcome.”

MYRNA: Mmhm. (To Joshua) I would like to go back to your story if I may, about that woman?

JOSHUA K.: Yeah.

KRIS: Now we are speaking about THAT woman!

(Laughter)

MYRNA: I don’t remember her name, what was it?

JOSHUA K.: Brandon Bays.

MYRNA: Thank you. As you related her story about going deeper and deeper and deeper, I remember that’s how I dealt with my cancer. And I needed to do it, I needed to go into the grave, I needed to go into the darkness, into the void and….it wasn’t darkness at the end of it…. but I needed to go there. Kris, I have a sense today that I don’t need THAT — to go there — that from the teachings you’ve offered, I can shift my focus from knowing that I have created this to get my attention to a new belief. And in doing so, can shift the physical condition, am I right?

KRIS: That is correct, yes. When you utilize, or anyone utilizes, the system that you have spoken about, the individual will recognize in one way or another – it is inevitable – that once through, there is no need to go back there, because it aligns them with their own power.

And once you are aligned with it, even slightly, certainly it can be frightening because you have been taught for so long that being powerful can lead to awful things. But once you let go of those smaller secondary beliefs and deal directly with your own powerfulness, it will always be with you.

MYRNA: My choice now is not to do that journeying that I did before. My choice now is to remind myself that I’m an Earth goddess and….get myself over there. (Laughs) To recognize when I’m in that feeling of powerlessness and to remind myself that is not so.

KRIS: Indeed, as an Earth god or Earth goddess, when you recognize that state of mind — when you enter that zone, have fun and play with it — when you walk, recognize the Earth meets your feet to give you support, that you actually create the atoms and molecules, not only in your feet, but in the Earth that comes to meet your feet to give it support. And connect with that flow. You will find it powerful enough that you can take it to the next level. If you create that situation, then you can create any other condition and UNCREATE simultaneously those conditions that hold you back. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Mmhm.

KRIS: (To Joshua) Do you follow that?

JOSHUA K.: Yes, totally. You are creating it by changing your focus?

KRIS: That is correct. You release your hold upon the past and create within your present a whole new condition.

JOSHUA K.: It’s interesting this lady, Bays, mentioned that part of her experience was she also was made aware of a specific rule of an enlightened person in India and she got from him that at no point, whatever an altered state she [gets into], however beautiful and peaceful, never think about it in any state of being, not to be attached, not to be mesmerized, or get attached to any….however alluring and beautiful and euphoric it is.

MYRNA: Or isn’t.

JOSHUA K.: Or isn’t. I suppose, from what I understand you, Kris, that’s how we establish that we never go inside the teapot, we are always able to change

KRIS: In that way you are able to pour the tea, not be within it. You can get scalded, you know.

JOSHUA K.: So it’s the old thing about non-attachment.

KRIS: If, for instance, going into the journey with the specific goal of changing the outcome, you will most likely not succeed because you are not focusing upon the journey. You will be focusing on changing outcome. Thus you would not be in the moment. You will be in a different zone. But if you go through the journey for no other reason than going through the journey and the experience, the outcome is automatic. And the two are actually very different.

MYRNA: Well….then I’m confused, because she went through the journey, right? In the moment, stayed in the moment, not attached to the outcome, but stayed in the moment, whereas, if I’m saying to you I’ve changed my focus from one of illness and despair to one of health and powerfulness, I’m not actually staying on the journey, am I?

KRIS: That is not what we said.

MYRNA: Okay, help me then.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Could I interject for one second?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: This past week you went out to Vancouver? You went out to B.C. and one of the things that you said here when you came back – just tonight – you said you were not focused on the outcome of that…and you said you loved every minute of what happened, your experience there.

MYRNA: For sure.

MARK: Because you weren’t focused on the outcome.

MYRNA: Yes, I understand that. I get that…and there’s something that’s a little confusing here for me and that is to be not focused on that outcome, just as you said, Mark…at the same time however, if I bring my attention to changing my attention, I’m really not going with the flow…or am I?

KRIS: You are –

JOSHUA K.: Is that a form of escape, by focusing on something else?

KRIS: Not necessarily. In a situation where you have theoretical illness and you are changing the direction of your concentration, (Intently) you are in the moment of changing the direction. That automatically shifts you out of the old zone and you land into a new zone. You are not necessarily concentrating on “I must be healthy, I must be happy, I must be beautiful, I must be young, I must be vibrant!” You are concentrating on shifting away from [and] towards something else.

MYRNA: Okay, that’s not [focusing] on outcome.

KRIS: That is correct.

MYRNA: Okay, got it.

MARK: Ultimately if you’re focusing on “I must this, I must that,” you’re ultimately concentrating on the fact that you are lacking in that.

MYRNA: Right, right.

KRIS: As an example with the mention of your trip: had you worried about the outcome and “will they like me and will they appreciate and will they understand” your processes would have been off the mark. However, you stood in your element, in your zone. As a result, YOU were surprised by the feedback you got.

MYRNA: (Laughing) I was! Absolutely!

KRIS: Because you were not looking to create feedback. You were simply looking to create. The omission of that last word,” you were simply looking to create,” not “create feedback” allowed you to cherish the moment. The feedback came on its own as a natural extension.

MYRNA: And it surprised the hell out of me.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Hmm.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 8:55.

JOSHUA K.: I had one or two small questions…..Are you….are you going, Kris?

(Laughter)

KRIS: (Humorously) We have some thinking to do! (Kindly) Please proceed.

JOSHUA K.: Umm…

KRIS: (Humorously ) Now you may ask! Our answering is a different issue!

JOSHUA K.: From what I’ve gathered, a lot of those answers hovering around the various issues here, the key element really would be being in the moment, in the present moment. This is something I have a problem with often, I seem to be in my mind a lot, wondering, thinking, imagining, and so on. It’s really helpful to know about how to be in the present, so it’s not…

KRIS: We can give you something that you can do at home. We always suggest utilizing beeswax candles, at least one. Light the wick. Sit comfortably near it, perhaps only a few feet. If possible, at eye level, but if not, it is not a problem, and look at the beautiful flame. Look at its golden glow. You might even sense its warmth, its brightness, etc.

Look at its steadfastness, or where it is flickering, admire it in many different ways, but keep focusing upon it to such a point where whether you notice it is a pretty flame or not becomes irrelevant. The only thing in your mind is that flame and be not only looking at the flame, but BE that flame. Imagine yourself AS that flame, dancing on the wick, glowing, and concentrate as much as you can on nothing else, just the flame….the flame….and the flame.

And after a few moments you may put it out and notice the processes that occurred in your thoughts and then look again at the candle and the wick. Do not light it, but see the flame, concentrate on the flame, again, without lighting the wick.

JOSHUA K.: Okay, just like imagine the flame.

KRIS: Indeed and that will assist you to bring your concentration into effect, a very simple process.

JOSHUA K.: And doing that for awhile, practicing this will help me be in the present time the rest of the day also?

KRIS: That is correct. Whenever YOU notice that you become scattered, remember your flame. See the flame if in no other place than your mind’s eye and allow yourself to be in tune with that moment and continue your day.

JOSHUA K.: What about if I get emotions looking at the flame, or thoughts or…

MARK: Oh you will!

KRIS: Let them come and let them go. Just concentrate on the flame. That is what we suggested earlier: you may find the flame beautiful, you may mentally notice all its many attributes, that inside the flame there is a brighter golden center, on the outside of the flame there is a darker, glowing etc., etc. Let all of this go. They are there and then they can go. Do not hold back. Just be aware that there is nothing in this moment but the flame. Does that help you? It is extremely practical and very inexpensive.

JOSHUA K.: A great help. I’m going to take your advice on that.

KRIS: And once you are done, make absolutely certain that the candle flame is out!

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: Fire marshal always says make sure your candles are never left unattended. After all, you do wish to be a good, responsible citizen.

JOSHUA K.: Yes, indeed.

KRIS: And with that we will leave you to your good, responsible selves and wish you a flaming good evening!

MARK: 9:00 even. On the button!

(Session ends)

Denise (Los Angeles)

October 28, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Denise (Behaar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 28, 2006

(Session begins at approximately 11:30am PST)

KRIS: Now, we are confidant that you are comfortable.

DENISE: I am. Thank you!

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

DENISE: It’s a pleasure to be able to speak with you one-on-one. I have so many questions and areas of interest. Should I just start right in?

KRIS: Give us a moment . . . (pause) Now what we will say next is merely from our perspective and it is only a matter of probabilities. But we think that many of the questions that you now have, that we will hopefully answer to the best of our abilities, are merely scratching the surface.

Within the next six to twelve months from now you are likely to undergo a different journey. A journey that will take you deeper than you had hoped to explore, a journey with certainly its share of ups and downs, but nothing that you cannot manage. And at the same time that will enable you to acquire an even deeper perspective, a wider perspective on your existence, your intent, your vision for yourself, which may even alter some of the perspectives that you hold at this point in time, which to you seem quite normal and ready for the moment.

So be on the lookout, as it were, for things to begin changing, for other events to make themselves known on the horizon, approximately six to twelve months from now. This is a rough estimation of time. It may be eight, ten or twelve months before they become extremely prominent, before the momentum is such that there is no question that you are now on a different kind of experience of life. And again, this is a sequence of probabilities. Now if you are so kind as to begin asking your questions.

DENISE: Could you elaborate a little bit on the nature of these changes that might be coming up?

KRIS: Not at this time.

DENISE: Okay. Thank you. I have a very strong interest in ancient megaliths, particularly in the U.K. and Ireland, and I’m fascinated with stone circles and places like Avebury and Stonehenge. And I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why they were built or what their purpose was and how they were used, specifically. Could you shed some enlightenment on that?

[DENISE’S NOTES: My intention was to elicit information from Kris beyond what had already given in the past on this, and other, subjects. But I realize now that I should have been more specific. Much of the information given in this transcript has been given before in other sessions, but there is also much new information as well.]

KRIS: Now you do understand that you are not the only individual with such an interest.

DENISE: Absolutely!

KRIS: And you likely are aware that England is not the only place with megaliths and stone circles. There are many spread throughout old Europe. There are some whose remains may still be found as far south as what was once Persia, and as Far East as the foothills of the Himalayas. There are some also in South America and Mesoamerica, and even in the southeastern parts of the United States. Some are near crumbling remnants of their once glorious appearances, but others are still maintained as you see today with Avebury, Glastonbury and so many of the other ones. Do you follow?

DENISE: Yes, and I was specifically interested in Avebury itself – what it was used for.

KRIS: Now, modern researchers may usually surmise these things to have been astronomical sites, observatories, serving religious functions, sacrifices, and so on and so forth. And, yes, they could have all been utilized for such purposes, because they were multi-tasking constructions. They did serve as observatories, to observe the equinoxes, the right time to harvest or to sow, et cetera. These were all incorporated into their functions. But one function that has barely been looked at is the utilization of sound. They do know, the researchers do know that at certain times, the stones themselves vibrate at a very specific megahertz and produce an inaudible sound, but the vibration of which can actually be felt as a kind of magnetic pulse-wave that may reverberate almost at a below hearing range level into the surrounding areas.

But they were also utilized specifically with instruments and vocal chords by individuals set up in specific positions within the circles to create very powerful sound reverberations, and these permitted openings of consciousness in the individuals participating in the rituals, so involved. And such events produced in the participants an altered state which triggered cascading effects within all the participants, that would have heightened their awareness, even enabled out-of-body experiences, and as such, permit a realignment of the physical organism – the bodies themselves in line with the tones they were eliciting from the stones themselves, standing or singing stones. Do you follow?

DENISE: I do. Thank you. That confirmed the theory that I had about the stones!

KRIS: Very often individuals that would have been incapacitated or ill were brought sometimes to the altar, not for gouging out, or disemboweling them or their hearts, but making them the focal point of sound vibration to realign the electromagnetic properties of their cellular structures in an attempt to assist them in regaining their physical well being. And even their psychological well being, because both physical and mental diseases or illnesses were evident at that time. But everyone participating in such an event would have received immense benefit as well.

And there were specific occasions at the equinoxes when the sun would align at specific portals, when again specific chants would have been intoned to magnify that energy. And each group would have known the exact specific geographical location of all of the other singing stone circles participating in the same event simultaneously, creating an almost unimaginable link of energy between all of the circles from as far north as upper Scotland all the way down to even below the Mediterranean, even across the ocean towards South, Middle, and North America. Most academics refute the idea that there would have been traveling and commerce, even intra-oceanic traveling and commerce. But such notions can be refuted. For example, if you examine the contents listed as being part of the dressings of the mummies of Egypt within their wraps you would find things like tobacco leaves, only available in one place on earth at that time, cranberries, only available at one place on earth at that time, eucalyptus leaves, only available at another place on earth at that time. Do you know where such places are?

DENISE: (The way the question was asked, it sounded like a rhetorical question and I wasn’t sure if I was actually supposed to answer or not, so I just muttered “No” even though I did know the answer.)

KRIS: Eucalyptus leaves from Australia only. Tobacco leaves, the east coast of the United States of America, what is now the United States of America. Cranberries, upper eastern United States and southern eastern Canada. Nowhere else on the planet were these items produced. How did they get inside the wrappings of four and five thousand year old mummies? And technology in those times is far more advanced than everyone is willing to concede. They now know that many items supposedly made of solid gold in ancient Egypt are little more than gold electroplating. There is only one way to make electroplating. Only one way. Electricity. No other way. How is it then that when people consider Stonehenge could have utilized electricity? Because they had it.

Ancient Babylon, ancient Sumeria, ancient Arcadia, ancient Egypt also produced another item that apparently only originated with the advent of the automobile – the car battery. Yet there are batteries in museums that are over 4,000 years old and they have been proven to be just that. So there are technologies, there is knowledge that has been lost to your world for thousands of years and only in the last two centuries has some of it become common again, knowledgeable.

DENISE: What happened that Stonehenge was no longer being used, or all of these stone circles that produced . . .

KRIS: People have forgotten, because the knowledge has been wiped out. Are you familiar with the ancient library of Alexandria?

DENISE: Yes.

KRIS: The library was burned, not by accident. It was deliberate, both by the Romans and by, later on, Christian groups. But Alexandria was not the only library in the ancient world. It is estimated that remnants of original knowledge that exists today barely amounts to one-tenth of what existed and has been deliberately destroyed. Think what your world would be like now if such knowledge had not been destroyed by ignorance. But instead, researched, cultivated, utilized. And ignorance, fear, destroyed such knowledge.

DENISE: What’s the best way for us to regain that knowledge?

KRIS: Interestingly enough, every individual develop his or her own sense of empowerment and enlightenment. Cultivate self-awareness, and in so doing, open inner pathways to knowledge, knowledge that still exists in the collective unconscious. But some of that knowledge will not be made available to your world until major portions of its population actually grow up and mature. Imagine that right now many people around your planet are fearful because of one egomaniacal leader in North Korea. Imagine if such leader actually got his hands on ancient knowledge where weapons of unimaginable power could be made with but a few ounces of mercury and crystals. So your world is not yet ready, so it will not be available. But other than that, cultivating self-knowledge, self-awareness is the safest route.

DENISE: Thank you! . . . There are many, many myths and legends associated with Glastonbury, England, specifically. Are any of them true? Why has that area always been regarded as special and sacred?

KRIS: With Glastonbury?

DENISE: Yes.

KRIS: There was a time when the poles were differently aligned than they are today, where a different kind of people populated various geographical areas and that entire area was a much bigger land mass than what it is now. When a pole shift occurred, many land masses were transformed and additionally, with the retreat of ice from the last major ice age, approximately ten to eleven thousand or so years ago, again land masses were transformed by rising water, some as much as losing four and five hundred feet of their coastal areas. Many coastal villages and cities submerged. Thus, many cultures were wiped out. In the area of what is now Glastonbury there was a much more extensive network of people, commerce, and a great religious center was at that location. And it was obliterated. But many of the survivors remembered the location, the people that were there, the great advances, and attempted to reconstruct as best they could at least the memory of the sacred events that occurred in these locations. The stones that are left standing, not only in Glastonbury, but in others, then became the last vestiges of a great civilization.

It could be said – we do not want to stir anything up — but it could be said that what is now England – Scotland, England, Ireland and the northern part of Europe – was one much bigger land mass, and it COULD be said that this was the northeastern most remnant of an even bigger continent and culture still.

DENISE: What was it called?

KRIS: Give us a moment . . . (pause) That entire area, with so much more extending into the Pacific – the ATLANTIC we mean – was referred to as Atlan.

DENISE: Can you spell that, please?

KRIS: A-T-L-A-N. Atlan.

DENISE: Okay . . .

KRIS: It became the basis for what have become more and more distorted myths concerning Atlantis. Plato’s tales were themselves remembrances of stories by the ancient Egyptians. And these tales were but remembrances of ancient whispers of stories thousands of years older, by which time they too would have become massively distorted. And, of course, with each passing generation there are always tweaks and enhancements to make the legends even more legendary. Do you understand?

DENISE: I do, thank you very much. I also have a question related to why — and it might be related to this — but why over 90% of what we call crop circles seem to be located within one particular area of England, and happen to be near ancient sites. Is there a reason for that?

KRIS: Yes, there is. The true world of Atlantis does not necessarily exist on your planet. It is a much different and bigger “model” if you like – a psychological model. What was Atlan on your world was an attempt to recreate, in part, what was felt at those other dimensions by people who would have inadvertently found themselves, through dream travels or projections of consciousness into those dimensions. So that world still exists. But it is not compatible with your planet. But attempts were made to recreate that civilization in your world. Does that make any sense to you?

DENISE: Yes, it does in a way. Are they still making attempts with the crop circles? Is that what . . .

KRIS: These are a kind of communication, not necessarily in the way that you would think of them. This is perhaps a little more difficult to explain, but say that you take a few sheets of paper and with pen or pencil begin to write on the topmost sheet of paper. It is obvious that the imprint of your pen or pencil tip will leave an indentation, a design upon the sheet underneath it. Do you follow?

DENISE: Yes, and I have read this explanation before so I do understand that . . .

KRIS: Now, it is energy, consciousness itself, and it is an attempt to instill the very idea that there are things in your world that are not so readily brushed aside or explainable yet. But there are still a great many mysteries. Now to say that because somebody has created a hoaxed circle, that then all circles are hoaxes. . . Some are; indeed the majority ARE very genuine. And the designs will keep getting more and more intricate, to the point where individuals will notice, those with sufficient brain matter and not so easily fallen to suggestions, will notice that the circles contain binary code and those could be extrapolated then to communicate messages. Does that also make sense?

DENISE: Yes it does. Thank you!

KRIS: So, in other words, embedded within the algorithms and the mathematical constructions of those circles you can extrapolate, break down, binary code. These might indeed eventually be decipherable.

DENISE: That was my theory. I think that is . . .

KRIS: These circles go back in time to many hundreds of years. Initially, considering the superstitious lot of the times, they were thought to be the devil’s work. But they go back even further in time. Though not many such reports can be found now, Romans who held lands in those parts of the world, as well as their predecessor occupants would also have noticed certain strange phenomenons. Many of the ancient cultures, even predating the Roman occupation, the Druids and others would also have considered the circles that were then occasionally found, or other such designs, to be a sign or a communication of a higher force. Underneath the land mass itself are ancient deposits which also act as sources of a KIND of radiation that would intensify the connections to the ground level. Does that make sense to you?

DENISE: Yes, it does. Thank you very much. I’d like to know why I’m so drawn to these places and these megaliths, particularly in England. Did I, or do I, have focuses in those time periods when the megaliths were built or used, and if so, can you give me some specific details about those focuses?

KRIS: We believe that you already know the answer to that to one degree, that you have had some focuses in those particular eras. And very specifically, you also have focuses in this particular dimension that originates the energy of Atlantis. Actually, many people do, but they consider that Atlantis, of necessity, must have been in the past, so they consider it a reincarnational self, but it is not necessarily the case. Do you follow?

DENISE: Yes, I do. Any SPECIFIC details or just a general . . .

KRIS: For the time being, general would be best.

DENISE: Okay, thank you very much. And on a personal note, could I ask what the real story is behind the reappearance of my mom’s coat in this life?

KRIS: Give details please.

DENISE: Well, in my memory or my perspective, I lost my mother’s coat about 25 years ago in a restaurant in Los Angeles, but then it suddenly appeared, in 2003, it appeared in my father’s closet in Ohio, and I’m at a loss to describe how this could have happened. So I’m trying to find an explanation for what happened there.

KRIS: It is perhaps less of a mystery than you make it to be. When an item is quote, unquote lost, where do you think it is?

DENISE: I don’t know.

KRIS: It has never fully disappeared. Neither have lost civilizations, nor cultures. They are simply phased out of your particular arena of concentration, so in other words, the item is not lost, you simply forgot to manifest it in your particular life, for your own reasons. However, you, your father, other members of the family, decided that this item and its energies should be brought back into focus so you re-manifested it, brought it back, so to speak. That has perhaps led all of you to question the boundaries of your sanity, if only a little bit, but also brought back a certain remembrance of your mother in a way that would ordinarily not have been brought about. It made the whole issue that much more “in your face.” Correct?

DENISE: Yes, that was my thought as well. Because when I lost it, or shall I say . . . I went into a restaurant, I had the coat with me and left it in the restroom. I went into the restroom, and when I left the restroom and when I went back in just a minute later it was gone (I meant that I noticed I did not have the coat when I left the restroom and realized I had left it in the restroom. I searched every square foot of the restroom, but the coat was not there). So I assumed someone had taken it, but it happened so quickly! And then I didn’t see the coat for some twenty-some years, and it appeared in another state, in the state of Ohio, thousands of miles away, so I was a little perplexed about how that could have happened. My thought was that it went into another dimension or something and reappeared in another quote, unquote time, later in my life. But I wasn’t sure exactly the . . . how that came about.

KRIS: Why would you think it would have reappeared in your father’s closet?

DENISE: Well, he was my mother’s husband. Maybe there was some message in there for him as well.

KRIS: Most likely that he wanted to communicate himself something present about the memory of your mother.

DENISE: Yes.

KRIS: There was a need in his life at that moment to get in touch with that part of his past. It is not necessarily that your mother’s ghost tried to communicate this to him, but he himself had a need to revisit that part of his history, his life, for his own emotional needs.

DENISE: I believe that’s true, yes.

KRIS: Ask him, if possible, about his state of mind, emotions, feelings, perhaps even several days prior.

DENISE: Okay, I will. Thank you very much. . . . I’d like to know what these light anomalies that we call “orbs” are. They’re usually seen in photographs that are taken with digital cameras or are seen in some video footage.

KRIS: Some people would call them ghost energies, fairies, so many other names. But they are energetic structures nonetheless that may be traveling through your dimension, have no other way of creating images of themselves but through that form. Imagine for a moment that you are a small brook trout and that you are swimming happily near the rocks by the bottom of the brook in nice cool refreshing waters, and a fisherman comes by in his great big rubber waders. What do you think the trout would see? Something quite different, because of light refraction and water distortion, something quite different than what a fisherman would see if he were to look at himself in the mirror. Correct?

DENISE: Yes.

KRIS: Those forms, those orbs of light, are the way those energy structures can appear in your dimension because of the way of your physics of your dimension; they have no other means of transforming their appearances. So they are a projection of other entities, other personalities that might at this point in time be going through your own realities.

DENISE: And most of the orbs appear to be a structure, almost a transparent look to them. But there are a couple of photographs, one that I took at Avebury, it (the orb) was a solid white ball with a tail. It looked like a comet! I had never seen anything like that in any photographs before or since until I looked on the internet and there was a picture someone else had taken at Avebury with the same phenomenon! It was like a solid white sphere with a bit of a tail, and it was comet-like, and it’s the only place that I have seen that phenomenon. (Actually, there were dozens of these orbs in the picture on the internet.) Is that something particular to Avebury? Or how does that differ from the other orbs?

KRIS: Not particularly. The source of that projection would likely have had more momentum, a stronger imprint. Now, we did say earlier that many of those places are an expression of a greater civilization in another dimension. Do you remember?

DENISE: Yes.

KRIS: So those energies, the source of those energies are, not all, but often from that dimension. And they do not have any other means of interpreting their appearance in your world.

DENISE: Okay.

KRIS: Now imagine what you, your species, your energy structures, might look like to them. You think you are bipedal, you have a head, a torso, four limbs, you have two eyes, a nose, a mouth, two ears – that’s how you see yourselves. But they might see you very differently.

DENISE: How would they see us?

KRIS: Perhaps not unlike some of the orbs that you see.

DENISE: And they would be asking the same questions about us, we would appear to be an anomaly to them?

KRIS: They are not so mystified, since they have been at this for far longer than you have.

DENISE: Oh, I see.

KRIS: But there are still governing laws of physics that may not be so easily overcome, that may still provide the means for distortions and camouflage.

DENISE: Okay, well, thank you very much.

[DENISE’S NOTES: Omitted personal portion here as it wouldn’t be of any interest to anyone else but me. Don’t want to bore anyone.]

KRIS: Well, may we inquire as to the time?

DENISE: I have here . . . its 12:25.

KRIS: Then indeed we suggest ending our lovely discussion in a moment. Do you have any final comments or observations?

DENISE: I only had one last question but the answer may be a little long so I don’t know if I should ask it. Should I ask it anyway?

KRIS: Ask and we will see.

DENISE: Okay. This is line with what I’m writing, and it has to do with the . . . well, I guess it would be . . . gosh, I don’t know how to say it . . . (actually I was stalling while I rummaged through my pages trying to find where I had written the question) . . . I’ve come to believe that there are forms and motions that are what I would call keys to Creation. And I’m trying to put together a model for my understanding of how everything happens. The forms are: a tortioning torus, vortexed spheres, concentric circles, spirals, “spokes on a wheel”, frequencies, vibration. These all seem to be key jigsaw puzzle pieces. If I could understand how they all fit together I think we could develop a working model of how things like consciousness and universes and dimensions and solar systems and atoms work. Am I on the right track? Can you add any other key factors that . . .

KRIS: For the time being you are correct. The answer would be too complex.

DENISE: That’s what I thought.

KRIS: At the same time, do realize that these are your present perspectives and interpretations.

DENISE: Right.

KRIS: And that these keys might actually be completely different in 50 to 100 years from now.

DENISE: I do understand that. Okay. . .

KRIS: But many of them . . .

DENISE: . . . .but I need to understand it in MY present so I guess I need to have an understanding that I can understand right now as opposed to in the future. I just what to get a handle on it in the present.

KRIS: Do understand that there are many apparent forms, just as there appear to be many different quarks and kinds of quarks in quantum physics. Do you follow so far?

DENISE: Yes.

KRIS: But, what if you were to discover that these are only various aspects and presentations whilst in truth all of these apparent forms are merely BEHAVIORS of consciousness and not their true form at all.

DENISE: That was my suspicion! So these are EFFECTS.

KRIS: That is correct.

DENISE: Okay.

KRIS: Much like you do not ever see the wind . . .

DENISE: Exactly.

KRIS: But you know it by its effects . . . the rustling of the leaves, the bending of the branches, the breaking of the trees, the lifting of the rooftops, the flying of the houses and the cows and the tractors if it is strong enough or merely the gentle caressing of your hair if the hair is soft enough. And these are all effects of wind.

DENISE: Right. Like quarks or atoms – these are effects. Is there anything we can do to look behind the effects and to actually . . .

KRIS: Not at this point.

DENISE: Okay. Alright.

KRIS: Now, mind you it is another kind of wind when Granny eats cheese.

DENISE: I’m sorry, could you repeat that?

KRIS: It is another kind of wind altogether when Granny eats cheese.

DENISE (laughs): Well, I don’t have a Granny, but I understand the metaphor!

KRIS: And that is the key. That is the key. Everything — the parameters of material nature — is just that: a metaphor, an allegory for consciousness.

DENISE: Yes, exactly!

KRIS: As you are a metaphor, an allegory for your Essence.

DENISE: Yeah, so we’re looking at, uh . . . there’s something beyond that we’re . . . like Source Events . . .

KRIS: That is correct.

DENISE: . . that is at a different level . . . that in this level we interpret in a particular manner which is not necessarily what it is at the highest level, or . . .

KRIS: Correct again.

DENISE: Yes, I understand that. . . . Well, than you very much. This has just been a pleasure.

KRIS: Indeed. And we thank you for your lovely consideration, and we return Joseph to you now.

DENISE: Thank you very much.

(Session ends.)

Lisa (Oregon)

October 26, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 26, 2006

(Session begins.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are comfortable.

LISA: Yes, very.

KRIS: And we gather that your explorations with these ‘adventures and practices’ is providing some benefits even if husband happens to walk in the room.

LISA: Yes. (Laughing) But that wasn’t the only thing. There were other things on my mind.

KRIS: And perhaps you could do as guests in a hotel room and put in do not disturb sign.

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Now, we believe you have some inquiries and some questions. Please feel free to begin.

LISA: Okay, I guess I’ll start with the last International Session wherein you were talking about how children pick up from their parents, and of course at the time, it was clear in my head, and today, I’m not so sure what you mean about physical and emotional interpretations.

KRIS: Indeed. There are people who have a rather straight forward black and white position in interpreting physical reality: things are very clear, very black and white terms for them, and then there are other people to whom physical reality is not necessarily only in black and white terms, but contains many different shades of gray. They can read between the lines, whilst someone who interprets reality in black and white terms may not be so prone to read between the lines but stick to the lines. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: So those who can read between the lines, and can explore the shades of gray usually interprets physical reality through inferences. As opposed to those who like to stick to the tried and true black and white methods.

LISA: I see.

KRIS: Everything is very clear and cut and as you might already be aware of, the world is neither, but these are the two major lines of interpreting physical reality. And those methods of interpretation are the result of the mother’s influence.

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: So you as a child would gather from observing your mother how she sets the blueprint for interpreting life, either through sets of inferences or in a black and white method, very physically or emotionally.

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: Perhaps as another type of example, the physical individual may hear you say “you look lovely today, that is a lovely dress” and they would say “thank you” and think nothing of it. The emotional individual would hear you say “you look lovely today and that is a lovely dress” and they will think, they may not say it to you, but they would immediately think “what does she mean, was I not lovely yesterday? Did I not wear pretty clothes yesterday? Was I ugly before and now I am not? What do they mean?”

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, yes, very clear. Thank you.

KRIS: Where do you think you fit?

LISA: I think I am more the emotional.

KRIS: Indeed. Now do keep in mind there is no clear cut distinction that someone is only physical or someone is only emotional. Though someone may have a higher degree of emotionality and to a smaller degree variances of physicality.

LISA: And I think that’s where I got confused because what I had in my mind. Was they’re all in the same basket.

KRIS: Indeed. Joseph, for example is nearly 50/50 both. And knowing such a thing, understanding its principle and how it literally filters your experience can assist you to moderate your own suggestibility. Knowing that you are perhaps more emotional than physical might assist you in understanding that when you become too emotionally responsive, you are aware that your filters are on, and therefore you might tone down your emotionality and turn up your physicality so that you are more balanced over-all.

LISA: Yeah. Okay.

KRIS: It is truly a problem only in individuals who are extreme in either direction. Then some work can be done to try and bring back its opposite. Does that make sense?

LISA: Yes, yes it does.

KRIS: And that can be truly a most powerful tool in realizing where you stand in the world. It might assist in diffusing situations which for no apparent reason seem to send the individual off the edge. And you can play with either side of the fence when you recognize you are being too much one or the other. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, It does.

KRIS: Please continue.

LISA: Okay. I was wondering that you, speaking through Joseph – I mean obviously, the Kris that I’m speaking to is not your whole Self, or who you are…..

KRIS: Indeed.

LISA: But when you do this, when you exchange with Joseph, what is it that you are perceiving, as opposed to what I, as a focus, could be perceiving.

KRIS: Your perceptions as a focus personality are usually bordered by inferences of time and space and the limitations of the ego construction. We are not so encumbered by those perceptions, having a wide range of visions or perceptions above and beyond. For example, we have used this analogy before in California, not in the public sessions or at least during the workshop but in one of the sessions outside of the workshop.

(See transcript: Paul and Joanne Meet Kris face to face: February 8, 2006. See also: Tom Chez private session February 18, 2006)

KRIS: You are familiar with the layout of an airport, correct?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Give a moment to the sirens (sirens blaring). Now when you are at the airport, whether in the building or on the tarmac, because there are times when you need to get to the plane from the tarmac, you see everything from the level of the tarmac.

When you get inside the plane and the plane begins to take off, it rises at 500, a thousand feet, 2000 feet, 3000 feet, 10,000 feet and so on and so forth, and you keep looking out the window, your perspective changes.

When you were on the tarmac, you only saw things from that layer and only as far as the eye can see. Once you start rising, you can see not only the runway that you just left, you may see the other planes, the entire airport, perhaps the city that is nearby and as the plane continues to rise, you may see the valleys, the hills, the deserts, perhaps far off, you can see the ocean, the lakes, and as you keep rising towards the clouds, everything becomes, perhaps, less distinguished, only in detail, but your sense of vision is very wide indeed. You can see very far. And that vision encompasses the airport, the city, the lake, the mountains and so much more.

When you could say then, that the focus personalities’ perspective is at the level of the tarmac, the airport itself. Our perspective is from that of the ever-rising plane. We can see everything that is below. Does that give you an idea?

LISA: Yes, it does, but what about details? I’m thinking that if I’m up in the airplane and looking down, I don’t see the details anymore, of the city or the tarmac.

KRIS: You can see the outline. The disadvantage is, (humorously) if you want to see details, you cannot commandeer the airplane and get closer to the city, cause then you will be shot down by the jets. However, from our perspective, it is only a matter of narrowing our focus as needed. Manipulating the consciousness, so to speak, zooming in on certain areas, fine tuning the ranges of time and space in order to acquire specific information. So we do not feel limited by the perspectives or the mechanisms thereof, but instead can use them.

LISA: So if you are speaking to Philip, and you are walking, how does that work? For me, it’s amazing, and maybe for you, it’s like nothing.

KRIS: That is correct. We are well aware of the physical bodies’ mechanisms, and biological mechanisms. We have on our own, on several occasions, experienced physical construction – what you call other lives. It is merely a matter of refining the communication apparatus: consciousness, much like you would fine tune the tuner to pick up a radio station to get right at the station for the best perception, or reception. It is a mere slight adjustment when the purpose is different, and always in agreement with Joseph’s own purposes.

Please continue.

LISA: Okay, let’s see, oh, sex! Here in the physical world, people have sexual relationships. Since physical reality is a reflection then there must be something that is kind of like that in the inner world?

KRIS: Even amongst your own species, sexual intimacy is the outward physical manifestation of a coming together of the different aspects of your own energies, and since you are interacting at the physical level, this is how those communications are manifested. And again, the physical expression is a mere fraction of the non-physical.

So when two people are engaged in sexual intimacy and love-making whether the two are related or not. Meaning: love-making and sexual intimacy may not necessarily be the same thing, but in either case, there is much more activity and action at the subjective or non-physical levels that there is at the physical. The physical is responding to another kind of interaction altogether that is almost entirely subjective.

LISA: And that is just at the focus level and it is not happening at the Essence level?

KRIS: Not in those terms. There may very well be exchanges and intimacies, but they are nothing like what you experience at the physical level. And this is not to mean that obviously then, the conclusion would be that what occurs at the physical level is somehow or rather dirty… Non-Essence. It simply means that at the Essence level, there is different kind of interaction altogether. And what you know as sexual intimacy and love-making in that sense does not exist at Essence level. Though there are different depths and layers of energy intimacies.

And in fact, if you think that the deepest kinds of sexual intimacies and the most intense kinds of love-making are almost unbelievable experiences, then it doesn’t take much to jump up to the next layer and understand that if the physical actions themselves feel to your species as something quite awesome, imagine having it ten-fold and not necessarily have to bother with the physical bodies’ demands which are in many ways quite limiting.

You can only do so much so many times, and in the physical body, the centers of the brain that are active during sexual intimacy and love-making are the same that are active during painful experiences.

LISA: Oh, Okay. That’s interesting.

KRIS: Indeed. If you ever have the opportunity, perhaps through some film or whatever to watch two people having sexual intimacy or love-making, especially as an overload of stimulus takes them to orgasmic release, shut the sound off entirely and you will notice that it may even appear that their contortions are the same as someone who is experiencing a painful experience.

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: All that to say that the physical mechanism, the brain stimuli, human biology, anatomy and consciousness are most intimately intertwined.

Please feel free to continue.

LISA: Okay, so you were saying that the present is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future. So as far as the events that have occurred in my life, the conditions, circumstances, whatever. There’s a part of me that remembers all that even though I don’t remember it all at this moment right now. Is it a hard and fast rule that those events occurred?

KRIS: Do keep in mind that the events and how you experienced them may actually be two entirely different things.

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: What you will remember more than anything else is how you interpreted them from your perspective.

LISA: So it doesn’t actually change the event, it’s just how I’m perceiving it right now is what could be different.

KRIS: We would even beg to differ that if you change your perception, the event has been changed, even if it is now different in somebody else’s memory because in their memory they have experienced it in another way. Even if two people or three people, and this has been demonstrated in many different ways. You may have five different people witness an accident, the same accident. Each one will have a completely different version. Even though there may be certain points of similarities, they will have viewed it from a different perspective and the experience will be different for each one. Even though they may all say, “yes, black car hit purple car.” But HOW that happened from their eyes is very different for each one.

(Pause)

(Deliberately) Now, once the hurtful, painful and sometimes even difficult to bear perspectives have been altered, the past may indeed be changed. This may be somewhat difficult to grasp from the rational point of view because it is supposed to be that the past is immutable. It is history. It is what it was and cannot be different, but it can be different, and that is done in the present. There is an area of the mind called the critical mind. It is to be considered the gatekeeper of the experiences that you undergo, the gatekeeper of YOUR interpretations of life. It is what – or we could say – it is that area of mind or part of mind through which all judgment pass. “This is a good experience, this is a bad experience. Bad experiences stay away from, good experiences, repeat”. It is the gatekeeper for this kind of judgment. And it is not necessarily a good and bad thing. It simply is.

Through the present moment, and through certain techniques, such as some that we have demonstrated with you in the group, that the critical area of mind, the gatekeeper, can be delightfully, delicately and almost deliciously distracted. Not for purposes of cheating it, but for purposes of allowing its sometimes very rigid stiff hold upon reality to lessen a little bit, and even that slight lessening permits new programming to be put in from WITHIN this time, not only from without.

The greater Self, what you may unilaterally call your unconscious or subconscious mind has full knowledge, as we have explained, of everything in your life and it may contain many different perspectives on the one event, but according to YOUR beliefs, the gatekeeper, critical area of mind would have assigned specific judgments to certain things and other things, but when that hold is slightly lessened, then the unconscious can provide the means to modify and make modifications, enhancements, renovations, if you so like, in such a manner that it benefits you that much more. [It] gives you a wider perspective. Thus when you listen in on certain adventures of practices such as the backpack, do you remember that one?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Or the one with the castle and the dungeon.

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: These are all in terms of imagery, but it is symbolic to the unconscious, and the things that you may have found in your knapsack, that you realized were time to leave behind, those were in an altered state where the unconscious mind recognizes that the symbols taken out of the knapsack can be let go of for a healthier more wholesome perception, letting go of things that should have been let go of long ago.

Whilst under ordinary circumstances the gatekeeper would have said “oh no, that cannot be gotten rid of” because the critical area of mind, the gatekeeper, is a packrat. It keeps everything it can because it thinks everything is part of it.

Even experiences that would be deemed very painful it feels it must keep because they are part of Self, whilst in truth they are not part of Self, they are merely experiences. It doesn’t make that distinction readily, but it can be gently coaxed and once it understands, it does cooperate. It is that simple in many ways, so if you did not get the opportunity to listen to the entire castle adventure, ask after our discussion, ask Joseph, to send it to you. So that you may listen to it at your convenience, making certain you do not drive while listening to it. Would that assist you?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Please continue.

LISA: Okay, as far as Essence names, you’ve given many of us intonations for our Essence, and some are similar to others, does that mean anything?

KRIS: Not in the same way that you might, from the ego’s perspective, try to find meaning sometimes in things that not necessarily have specific meaning. Do keep in mind that it – human consciousness is in almost natural state, to find meaning because it understands its place in the universe is meaningful, therefore it does have meaning and it will not readily be shunned aside as science says that the human experience in many ways is only meaningful because of the chemical interactions in the brain. It is much more than that. If that is all that there was to it, there would be no meaning to anything. So the human search for meaning is deeply rooted in consciousness itself. As far as similarities in Essence names, they’re not necessarily what you think.

Please continue.

LISA: Okay, as far as the clusters of consciousness, like the Taaj, they have their own families, so other clusters of consciousness would also have their own families?

KRIS: That is correct.

LISA: Okay, so then like for you, you have expressed that you belong to the Gaura?

KRIS: Indeed.

LISA: And that is a cluster.

KRIS: That is correct.

LISA: So then within the Gaura you have families.

KRIS: That is correct.

LISA: That you also belong to and align with.

KRIS: That we, ourselves belong to. Focus personalities belong and align with. Essence belongs to. However, in order to interact with your own dimension, we need to align with certain root families in this dimension to communicate. And we do that with the closest relatives possible to our own families.

LISA: Uh-huh. So the other focuses of my Essence have their own belongings and alignments that are different from mine?

KRIS: That is correct. If you have 1000 different other expressions of focus or Essence, focus personalities, they do not all necessarily have the same belonging nor aligning. Simply because Essence body itself is multiple. There are many different facets to a cloud, would you say?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: A cloud has many bumps, has many layers. On one side of a cloud you may even think you see a face, but on the other side you may think you see a fish tail. On another side you may think you see a bird, and yet on another side you may think you see something else again. But it is still all the one cloud.

Essence, though it is slightly a bit of a crude analogy, may be compared to the one cloud having many, many different facets and the facets are not focus personalities, but different expressions of that Essence. Now each presentation in the cloud, whether the face, the fish tail, the bird, whatever, will have within it a variety of focus personalities. Does that make sense?

LISA: Uh-uh.

KRIS: Consider a tree, then. A tree has one trunk. Out of the one trunk grows many large branches, and on many large branches are smaller branches still and smaller still until you get to the leaves. So you may have 1000 leaves that project out of one branch but there may be 10 major branches attached to the one trunk and on the 10 major branches there might be 20 sub-branches and 50 smaller little branches that give out to the leaves. Does that also paint a good picture for you?

LISA: Yes. So in communication with the other focuses, do our own belongings have anything to do with that?

KRIS: No. Not at all.

LISA: So we just communicate, it doesn’t really matter….

KRIS: That is correct.

LISA: Okay. But then there are some focuses that we feel closer to?

KRIS: That is correct. Some may be more attuned to similar experiences and gains that you are desiring from physical life. You might be more in tune with your intent. More aligned in a specific way than with others. That may even have to do with all sorts of various judgments that you perceive.

You might be less inclined as say, a religious individual to communicate, even unconsciously, with another focus who may be much more libertarian than you are. Because you might find the activities, actions and faults of that focus really out of alignment with your own life purpose, especially if you are very puritanical and very prudish. So there are many factors that influence. Does that make sense? (I did not reply as I was processing) Continue.

LISA: And so the same goes for physical families. You don’t necessarily all have the same belonging to, you just…

KRIS: That is correct. Even within one human family with many siblings, you might be closer to one or two and feel more distant to others. Especially if there several that are much older, you might feel even more distant from them and closer to those closer to your own age range for instance and perhaps closer to other females who are closer to your age range because you will have undergone similar experiences. You might relate better to each other. Does that make sense?

LISA: Yes, yes it does. (Long pause)

KRIS: Please continue. You do not have to wait till we mention.

LISA: Okay, sorry. Now, most of us have this voice in our head where we ask a question, and it answers back. Is that just a part of us?

KRIS: That is correct. You always have inner dialogue. That is a part of yourself that is related to the critical mind. That is how you sort out the events of the day. You relate it to other events of the past. You find it useful or not useful, good or bad, according to your various value judgments and this voice is influenced by what you learnt as a child. The values you picked up from the parents as a child.

Sometimes tuning into this inner dialogue, people have found that the voices are remarkably similar at times, especially when the voice is a highly critical of their actions and choices in life, the voice might sound like one or both of the parents, because that is the programming voice. It is what has laid the foundation for your perceptions of life. And it is possible to alter that inner dialogue so that it is more constructive and positive in outlook.

LISA: Okay. So you can actually tell it to shut up. (Laughing) Or should you not do that, should you listen?

KRIS: It is possible to do that but if it is done in a harsh manner, then you may find yourself actually doubling its criticism.

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: There are ways to do it – to neutralize its impact. Some of the things we have been sharing in the last few international sessions is geared specifically to that.

LISA: Yeah. Yeah. I was really surprised about the Hall of Stories and to find that there’s so many doors, and in relation to releasing those stories, some I want to release, some I’m afraid to, and I guess the fear just comes from the change of not knowing, you know, creating for myself or something but I’m just amazed at how many doors there are there.

KRIS: And very often fear of releasing those old, sometimes even negative or destructive thought patterns simply comes from the reluctance to understand that your own story is just as, if not even more worthwhile and valid than the secondary stories that you have taken is more important than yours. That is where the ambivalence. Is not that we would label this so much a fear as an ambivalence. It might include some trepidation, or hesitation even, but the ambivalence comes mainly from having considered for far too long that your own story is not worthwhile. Therefore listen to other people’s stories instead. And these truly, may have some worth, but they should never have more worth than your own. Your own voice should at least have equal time on the field, if not moreso. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes. Yes. It does make sense, very much. I also noticed that since I started listening and reading the transcripts and joining the international sessions, that I feel I am a bit different than when I was when we had our first session, and …

KRIS: Are you certain it is only a little bit? You might be underestimating your own self-worth.

LISA: Yes. Yeah, you’re right. You’re right.

KRIS: There is definitely an …

LISA: (not hearing Kris speak, I continue to speak – I would have wanted to know what he wanted to say here) But what I have found is that there are times, there are moments when I seem to kind of go back to that mental space…

KRIS: That is entirely normal. It is what you have known for a very long time.

LISA: And so when that happens, I should just..

KRIS: There’s no sense to berate yourself or to beat yourself over the head. You simply recognize it, Triple ‘A’ it. You acknowledge it, address it, and accept it. And move on. No sense in putting yourself down for it. Feeling somehow or rather you have let someone down or any of that, and simply, “that is the way it is for now, and I move on.”

LISA: And then later on, when I am more used to the changes, and how I am changing, then those moments will be almost non-existent?

KRIS: That is correct. They will not matter to you. Have you ever gone scuba diving?

LISA: No.

KRIS: Now, for someone to learn how to scuba dive, they must first learn how to wear the suit. Then they must learn how to go into the water with it, then they must learn to float with it and so on and so forth, until their movements in water with the suit are second nature. The person learning how to scuba dive does not begin to beat themselves up because in the first five minutes they have not accomplished the whole lesson. They know that they have certain processes to go through and these are processes of adaptation. They adapt to that situation. Similarly, you are adapting to a wider perspective of Self. It is entirely natural that every once in a while, you think that you have somehow or rather digressed, whilst in truth you may not have at all. And it is entirely acceptable and normal to do so. Simply Triple ‘A’ the situation and then you will see it is not as bad as you think.

LISA: Because I have noticed that those moments are getting less and less, but then every time it happens, I just go (expresses frustration ) and then I try and make an effort to not let it permeate my whole day or my whole week.

KRIS: Perhaps instead of biting your lip when it happens, simply recognize it as an interesting moment, and you can determine whether you wish to stay there or not. It is up to you, your choice, and if you find it not interesting, you return to your previous train of thought.

LISA: Yeah.

KRIS: Remember that the judgments that you put upon those events and yourself are your own interpretations.

LISA: Yeah.

KRIS: It is your choice. We have mentioned in, we believe the same evening as the great hall of stories that life is about choice.

LISA: And sometimes I have judgments on my choices.

KRIS: And it is not to put down the idea that you have judgments upon your judgments. Simply recognize it as another phase of your growth and you can choose what you wish to do with it.

LISA: I think it’s because for so long I didn’t really give myself any choices and now that I realize it is all about choice…. it’s just new. It’s just a matter of getting used to, I guess.

KRIS: Indeed. And whenever you notice that you get either upset or even angry with yourself, it is only because the situation might appear slightly fearful to you. As soon as you recognize that, the fear dissipates and you can let it go.

LISA: Yes. Now I have one more question, I think we’re almost out of time. I have noticed that a lot of times when I process information….. I’m not really sure. I guess I’m changing and my husband seems to also change with me. And is that just because I’m perceiving it differently?

KRIS: Indeed. When you perceive reality differently, you perceive another aspect of your husband, or his energies.

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: He may not be as aware of you, of the changes, but he may at times think he is sensing that you are a little different, and unconsciously he adapts to the change.

LISA: That seems to happen also at my work. People around me seem to also be a little bit different, so I thought it’s because I am different so what I’m seeing in other people is also different now.

KRIS: That is correct.

LISA: Very nice.

KRIS: And that is the entire nature of this work. WHEN YOU CHANGE, THE WORLD CHANGES WITH YOU. Try this as an experiment. Perhaps on your face you may have a small smile. Just a little hint of a grin or a smirk, but inside, pretend that you have such a great big smile that you could hardly contain it at all, and watch people’s reactions. They may not even understand why they begin to smile in your presence.

LISA: That sounds like a fun experiment.

KRIS: Indeed it is. It might even sometimes inadvertently bring someone out of their own misery, because inwardly they will need to respond to your big giant smile inside. Does that not sound like a fun experiment?

LISA: Yes. It does. It’s better than, you know, having anger or …

KRIS: Indeed. It is better than carrying Mr. Sourpuss inside.

LISA: Yeah.

KRIS: And Mr. Sourpuss inside the other will have to give way to sunshine within you, cause that is the nature of the unconscious. It is easier to smile.

LISA: It’s like magic.

KRIS: That is correct. So make that a little game.

LISA: I will do that.

KRIS: One day before you head to the office, allow your insides to begin smiling, so much so you could hardly contain it. But you do not show too much of it. Just a little hint of a smirk, or a smile on your face, a glint in your eye, because you know a secret. The secret of smile power. And then go to the office. And do not let anything remove that inner smile, and you will see how they will respond to you. Mr. Bush may be preoccupied with his weapons of mass destruction, but he does not know that there are also weapons of mass smiles available to the population.

LISA: Yes. There is.

KRIS: That is correct. Please continue.

LISA: Oh, okay. I don’t think I have any more questions at the moment. I wrote them all down and we have covered many of them.

KRIS: Indeed then.

LISA: (laughing) I feel useless. I feel like I should have more but I don’t.

KRIS: You have done a most ingenious job. And keep that smile deep within you, ever on the edge of coming out. And we thank you for your consideration.

LISA: Oh thank you very much, Kris.

KRIS: And we are certain now that you will have an entire set of great work weeks.

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Then we return you to Joseph.

LISA: Thank you.

(Session Ends)

Who Are You? – Part 3

October 22, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 22, 2006

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Joshua K., Sylvie, Odette, Paul, Ellen, Jen, Cathy, Brian, Lisa, Tom and Anya

(Session begins at 7: 51 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. And it might be an excellent idea to keep your hands on your belt buckles in case you need to put the seat belt on. Now the title of the evening, which we presented to Joseph in the thread of “Who Are You? – Part III: Sugar and Spice, Love and Hate and Everything In Between” should just about cover every subject imaginable, at least in a very small thimble.

And this is one approach we wish to cover: looking at the world through the thimble, and comparing the world to each of your thimbles — and we are not lisping, we are saying the word “thimble”: T-H-I-M-B-L-E.

(Laughter)

And as is often wont to human nature, people often consider their world from the perspective of their thimble of action, of consciousness, wanting everything to fit very quaintly and in an orderly fashion within their thimble-like worldview from the conscious perspective. And very often all of that which does not fit in that thimble-like view from the conscious perspective is discounted, locked off, ignored, denied, and so on and so forth. And this may even tie in very nicely with an old discussion now, but a fiery discussion, of looking at the world through rose-colored glasses. This time we are simply calling it “the thimble worldview” which is held at the conscious level.

Most people who read Seth, Elias, ourselves, or many others, as has been done over and over again for many decades now, often adopt the tendency to skim the most superficial elements that fit into that thimble-like worldview of theirs from the conscious perspective and adopt the position that already they have “THE” understanding — “THE” in quote marks and capital letters — that there is now, after reading a few words from amongst thousands and thousands of words, that there is now a complete and immediate perception that all is finally understood, that the depth of their Being has now been completely exposed and all they have to do is, in response or comments, is say to others: “It’s all about your beliefs.”

“Everything is about your beliefs,” as if for some reason such a simplified and perhaps in some respects oftentimes a juvenile understanding should alleviate any confusion anyone has ever had on the subject matter of their life, of life in general, life personally, or anything that occurs within that existence and solve all of the mysteries of the universe for all time.

And yet most people continue to have challenges, some small, some large, some often mind-boggling. Sometimes the challenges go from bad to worse and become compounded, but the individual may stick to the surface-most understandings of “you create your own reality,” and keep repeating, “It’s all about beliefs, it’s nothing but beliefs. It’s all your beliefs,” and no change, no action, no transformation manifests itself in their lives. And eventually they become disillusioned.

And we believe that this kind of scenario is quite prevalent. Far more so than anyone is actually willing to publicly discuss and express for one reason or another. And with this session and perhaps following ones, we wish to address this most sensitive of issues, because it is one that may hit a small nerve with many, but one that is most therapeutically in need of being brought out into the light of discussion and conscious perception because it is at that level that the work will be done, needs to be done, in cooperation with what you refer to as the unconscious.

And in that fashion, with such practices, changes not only have the potential to become manifest, but WILL actually manifest in the individual’s life as long as the individual is willing to Acknowledge, Address and Accept [Triple ‘A’] those aspects of Self that are in need of being acknowledged, addressed and accepted.

And we will be inviting you to join us in different ADVENTURES AND PRACTICES. We wish to utilize this terminology to make a distinction between ordinary meditations and visualizations because these invitations to adventures and practices, as you have begun to realize over the last few sessions, are far more than mere guided meditations and visualizations that are so common and prevalent in many other quarters.

And those people who have participated in our invitations to adventures and practices over the last few weeks have already found that such inner journeys have a profound impact upon their personality and the world that they then manifest through that personality because of the work that is being done at those deeper layers in conjunction with the conscious mind to be aligned with and congruent with your own desires and perspectives.

Now one of the areas most often touted as the end-all and be-all and the cure-all for all of mankind’s ills, as we briefly and perhaps a little bit sarcastically toyed with earlier, is this idea that it’s all about beliefs, it’s all about your beliefs, and it’s nothing but beliefs. And though there is a kernel of truth, that seed will rarely ever take root if it is left at the surface-most layers of the conscious mind and the ego construction.

One of the practices we outlined now some time back, the Triple ‘A’ method, can truly be of assistance for the individual that is willing to allow previously so-called unconscious material to rise to the surface of the conscious mind where, at the conscious mind level finally, it can be recognized for what it is and released. This means, then, that certain other catch-phrases, such as “The present is the point of power,” “The power is in the Now,” “The power is in the moment,” etc. can be truly effective if properly understood.

Very often it is utilized as a means of further denying, pushing away and refusing to deal with situations that may arise from your own past — meaning your own childhood, your own youth — because there is the belief that if such issues rise to the surface of the conscious mind, it takes you away from the present.

There is often a battle that occurs when the individual exerts undue and unnecessary strength or force to suppress that very thought form or energy that seeks the portal of the present moment; to free the energy that has been denied or locked up and that needs to be expressed into freedom so that the individual may regain more of whom and what he is and grow in wisdom and knowledge and understanding and become free from that which he or she has imprisoned in their past.

We have utilized of late a particular expression, and that is that THE PRESENT IS THE INTERPRETER OF THE PAST AND THE WEAVER OF THE FUTURE and we have chosen this to make a specific distinction because we believe it is slightly different enough and worded so differently that it gives a direct hint as to the potential of the power available in the present moment to liberate yourselves from the ball and chains and the albatrosses of those events, circumstances and conditions that you have locked up in what you may consider your past, and that actually do interfere with the freedom of energy expressions and manifestations in your own life.

As such, the present moment then becomes truly a portal of freedom, a threshold of awakening. And it is to your advantage to use it then to free yourselves from a variety of issues that weigh you down, even issues that you are no longer aware that weigh you down, so long ago have you forgotten them but that still engage your energies and truly sap your own strengths. And it is this that we will utilize in a short while then, to create an Adventure of Practices to provide you with the incentive and the keys for you to actually unlock the dungeons where you have buried and then forgotten your own selves.

And in doing so, in unlocking those dungeon doors, bringing the light of the present moment into those dark corners and giving freedom to those aspects of Self that you may indeed have buried in these dungeons, will definitely provide you with a sense of freedom and joy and capacity to more clearly concentrate your energies for manifesting for yourself an enriched life that you may even be tempted to enjoy your newfound freedom, and if that is the case, then we suggest: Drink more from the cup of freedom and get drunk on the joy.

Now we suggest a small break and perhaps during the break, you might be brave enough to even engage some discussions on this topic.

MARK: 8:13 Break.

ANYA: I don’t know if it’s a naive question on my part, but is there an end to the work with beliefs in this lifetime?

(Several people simply respond, “No.”)

ANYA: (Giggling) Okay, I didn’t think so!

PAUL: It’s called “death.”

(Laughter)

TOM: And it doesn’t end there. We’ll be writing code beyond death.

ANYA: Has anyone discovered a way of going through the belief work more graciously? (Laughs) You know, when you get into [your] issue and you start noticing left and right…are there any suggestions from people with more experience?

BRIAN: The realization is you create the challenge yourself, knowing that the power is in your hands, of what you created, and your acknowledgement of it. Step aside from yourself and view it like you were viewing yourself from a different perspective.

ANYA: Okay….dissociation?

BRIAN: Or think of it like this: think of it as if you’re in the dream state and how would you operate if you were in the dream state with that particular challenge?

MARK: And what would it mean to you if that was in the dream state as opposed to within the waking state.

ANYA: Yes. Okay, well sounds good.

TOM: I was going to say that it seems we’re getting more focused on the Triple ‘A’, working with aspects of Self, where before, we looked at the Triple ‘A’ working with beliefs and issues. Now we’re focusing on aspects; I don’t know if anyone else caught that. It seems like we’re making a little shift there.

LISA: Yeah I definitely noticed that. Was it in your session, where you had that discussion?

TOM: Yes.

PAUL: How are you defining “aspects”? Or how is Kris defining it?

TOM: Very poetically. (Laughs) Aspects of Self are the multiple minds that he talked about. I believe you were here for that session, right? If, for instance, as an eight-year-old….right now there may be situations where you might rage against something – like it rains on your picnic – and there’s really nothing you can do about it, but you turn into a little eight-year-old and just get very angry, right? So there’s some situations that you maybe always address with that certain mindset, so that’s an aspect of yourself that needs to be educated from say, your forty-year-old perspective. You need talk with, and address and accept that aspect of yourself. Does that make sense? That’s just one example.

[Paul suddenly says that he was cut off temporarily and missed Tom's entire explanation. Everyone cracks up over this. "I fell into a parallel universe!" Paul quips.]

TOM: (Chuckling) Okay, well, it’ll be in the transcript.

[Two people ask what the Triple 'A' method is and John gives a short explanation. Mark also suggests that over the past year or so there have been many transcripts delving into the Triple 'A' method as well as many other of Kris' practices. As we go deeper and deeper into these methodologies and their practical application and more new participants are becoming interested and being welcomed into the fold, we strongly suggest that they read over the transcripts, particularly from the beginning of 2005 to the present, which covers the largest extent of Kris' current treatise, and the intricacies of his concepts and methodologies.]

ANYA: I like the comment [John made] when [he] said, “address it enough.” That was kind of my own latest insight in my own work, you know, you have to kind of address [an issue] enough times…you have to kind of create a critical mass of addressing and then it rolls into acceptance by itself.

JOHN: That’s very good! I like “critical mass.” Very good.

PAUL: The first part of acknowledging is often filled with conflict and stress. That’s a characteristic of your still [being] in the acknowledging part of the game. Half of the problem is admitting you have a problem. That’s very difficult with deep-seated issues, because denial and repression is a very powerful mechanism, so all the “pain in the foot” that John was talking about [John used having a pain in your foot as an example of how to use Triple 'A'], just magnify that into real terms of real problems and it’s a very, very difficult state.

But then the addressing to follows it naturally because it’s brought into awareness as you begin to make yourself aware of it. And as Anya was just saying, and John also, there’s a lessening of that energetic block of the stress caused by it because it’s now in awareness. It’s not a subconscious thing coming back to knee-jerk bite you in the ass all the time. And acceptance is the endgame.

JOHN: Thank you, Paul. That was excellent. Yes, the farther you get toward acceptance, the more fun it is.

ELLEN: Kris mentioned something interesting earlier that really nailed something I’ve been dealing with the past week or so, and that is – he was talking about giving freedom to energies, releasing certain energies that we’ve been holding onto tightly, or suppressing very tightly. The last couple of meditations he took us through had to do with releasing things that are no longer useful to us, no longer healthy or just weighing us down.

And I found that I have released a lot of what is unnecessary or what is no longer useful in my life, but the past couple of weeks I’ve had an issue I’ve been using EFT on and through a couple of dreams and some Tarot spreads I discovered that….. I thought it had something to do with my need to release [another] energy, but it was not that so much as…..there’s a subtle difference…..I am holding back or holding in certain energies that are actually BEGGING for release. And that was sort of an epiphany for me.

It’s something that I’ve realized has been causing some of the symptoms I’ve been working on, so I thought that was kind of interesting that he happened to discuss that just earlier in his monologue. There’s something about holding in and holding back strong energies that….is not something that you need to release in the sense that you need leave it behind, but something that needs release [because it] needs its expression.

MARK: Well getting back to this slogan, “the present is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future” — that says right there that all energy, all events and circumstances of your past are not positive or negative until you interpret them in the NOW. So it’s only in the Now that, if something comes up that you’re interpreting as negative, so therefore you want to change that and weave a future where it’s positive. Does that make sense?

ELLEN: But what I’m referring to is energies that are….creative energies, good energies, strong energies that WANT expression that I have been holding back, holding in….you know, I’ve not been ALLOWING their release….as opposed to energies that have outlived their usefulness, that need to be left behind.

JOHN: That’s very valuable –

PAUL: And Kris made the point that at the deeper level this then is about transformation, you know, acorn-sapling-tree-hood –

ELLEN: Yes.

PAUL: — in terms of the focus personality, so these blockages and repressed issues, these energetic blocks, these personal dungeons — that’s a nice metaphor — actually keep us locked or arrested in our current stage of development and prohibit further expression or growth. At least that’s how I understand it.

ELLEN: Yes, absolutely. This one is just a little different take on the meditations that he has led us through at the last two International sessions.

PAUL: He also said these other sayings, “the present is the point of power” and “It’s all about beliefs” have actually been used by a large majority of our community to further the repression and denial. THAT is a key thing to acknowledge!

MARK: Yes.

PAUL: Forget the addressing and accepting of it, that’s why we’re strapped in for the ride tonight. He’s challenging all of us in that regard.

SYLVIA: What I want to add to it, since we’re talking about repression here — because I’m doing a large part of it right now — is that while we’re trying to facilitate what we understand or do not understand, I don’t know if any of you have children, but I have five children and today I was very happy to have witnessed and been part of my six-year-old tell my very best friend how lousy he has been in many lifetimes.

(Laughter)

She told him that she’s terrible, she has ruined many lives and she’s horrible! And she is six years old, she has eyes that can light your entire world with a smile, and she was deeply angry and frustrated, she couldn’t get out of the feeling. We talked her through it, and you know I coaxed her a little bit through it, telling her “That’s great that you feel this way,” and objectively be connected to her just letting her go through that. By the end of that she asked for jelly beans. (Group chuckles) So if any of you have children, and if you actually work with your kids to understand their perspective and what they’re going through as well. Because….this is our future, and if we’re lost….you know?

PAUL: Exactly right. We’re passing it on down to our kids.

MARK: Give them a jumpstart. We’re going through unlearning right now, but if we can give them that head start, they can run with it.

ANYA: One of the methods that I found with my child….he would not allow me to do any of this [kind of] work with him, but every time I’m doing another piece I come over to his room and I explain to him, “Oh, I found this,” and “this is what I’m doing” and sometimes when I’m in that energy I explain to him and excuse myself for some of my behavior because I [tell him] “that energy came up” and basically I’m just sharing the work that I do and I’m hoping that I’m planting some seeds and some options for the future when he is ready to do that.

(Kris returns at 8:31PM)

KRIS: Now in line with some of our earlier statements, especially considering naively interpreted notions about the present being the point of power, that one must be in the now, etc., etc., it is often utilized — as you have all pointed out during break — it is often utilized as a further means of suppressing those very issues that seek the light of freedom, utilized to MISINTERPRET information that comes from those deeper layers of the unconscious into the present consciously focused mind.

For example, such naive misinterpretations may then claim, or make claim, that the way the individual grew up, the influences harvested from the mother or the father, or both parents and the family unit in their youth now no longer has anything to do with what they experience now, in the present, whilst their actions, not having changed one iota, still reflect all of the previous moments, difficulties and challenges, where nothing truly has changed but in name only.

A clown with a red nose, who suddenly puts on an orange nose is still a clown! It is not different. And in that way, it becomes extremely important to understand that you start recording influences from the parental units even from the moment the physical body is conceived in the womb as an unborn fetus, unborn child. The fetus’ body begins to record all of the affectations, all of the movements, thoughts, moods, feelings, emotions, words, states of mind and perceptions from the mother and these will carry a very deep influence upon the child perhaps even unto age eight or nine or so.

And these are the foundation layers being established at this point. The second stage of influential parental patterns begins shortly thereafter from the father’s side and if there is no male figure presently associated in the family unit, then the impressions will be incurred from the closest possible male, perhaps an uncle, or some other male closely associated with the family unit, laying the second foundation. And this continues until approximately the age of fourteen or fifteen until the process of individuation starts kicking in, when the individual begins to formulate his or her own manifestations of reality in a more consciously directed fashion, utilizing choices and will to direct his or her life into gradual adulthood.

Now, it is very important to keep in one’s mind that these influences are often forgotten, buried in the unconscious and patterns of behavior follow through. Often with the individual not necessarily consciously aware of how these patterns, mental habits and patterns, then give rise to his or her actions and perceptions of and in the exchanges of physical reality. And it is this particularly that can be revisited and re-examined but from the perspective of the power inherent in the present, as a beacon, a light that is utilized to draw those elements out of the ignorance of the darkness that that part of existence has now been submerged into.

So that those unconscious, unperceived and thus ignored patterns that often hinder the flow of life energy into a fulfilling existence must be drawn to the light of the conscious mind in order to be released. We have suggested earlier that the present moment is the gateway to freedom and this is what becomes your own means of freedom and liberation through understanding, through wisdom into a transformed perception, into the transformed existence and not the other way around by further suppressing and denying the very roots of your challenges as if they have nothing to do with what is occurring in your present life.

We have many times in the past suggested that you pay attention to your own inner dialog. Many people think that it is the dialogs that you engage yourselves into when you go shopping for a new dress, a new purse, or new shoes. Nothing could be further from our understanding, even though we have at times pointed out directly that these inner dialogs that you engage into will usually contain imagery and even the voices of most specifically your parental units, your mother and father, or whomever was considered part of the parental unit.

That usually requires a little more digging, as it were, exposing the layers of those foundational years, those years where your perceptions were molded and shaped and given form by those who raised you. And no amount of simply saying that you no longer deal with these issues will actually make them disappear or go away. You will simply add more energy to bury them deeper, thus fostering a greater sense of denial and powerlessness and perhaps even greater degrees of frustration, knowing that you are on a hamster wheel, going faster and nowhere in particular until you jump off the wheel.

That requires a certain level of bravery, to jump off that fast spinning hamster wheel, take a stand, examine the hamster cage and notice that it has always had an open door and that open door is the present, the moment NOW where all things converge, because there is only the present.

Do you wish to open the lines perhaps, to a few questions, before we move on to another layer?

MARK: Okay. Phone lines are open.

JOSHUA K.: May I ask you a question, Kris?

KRIS: You may ask. How we respond is our affair.

(Group laughter)

JOSHUA K.: All right. Before you mentioned that the key is to unlock the past trauma or incidents in the past previous to the present. How do you unlock those things that you’ve forgotten completely if you don’t even know they exist?

KRIS: Consciously you may have forgotten, but your conscious mind is the least part of you. It is the most surface layer of the Self. Your unconscious mind, as we have suggested, has a record of everything you have experienced, even before conception up to this point in time, so it is not much of a concern what the conscious mind may or may not remember. It is ALMOST irrelevant.

JOSHUA K.: What do you do then?

KRIS: Well if you did not try to get too far ahead of yourself or ourselves, as we suggested, we will go there. You simply have to be patient.

JOSHUA K.: Thank you.

KRIS: Are there other lovely questions? We wish you to keep them brief, nonetheless.

PAUL: Just a quick one. You listed three stages of influences. In the first one, where it’s dominated by the maternal influence, in the case where the mother dies early on is that influence then shifted in a similar way to the nearest female relative or influence?

KRIS: That is correct. The mother’s influence or the nearest female influence will determine to the child specific types of perceptions and behavior, mostly in the manner in which the child accepts and interprets information units from his or her surrounding world and his own self, or her own self. Some individuals may be more prone towards an emotive interpretation of information units and some will be more prone to a physical interpretation of information units and that is learned through the perceptions of the mother or the female icon. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Yeah, and just a follow-up. Nowadays we have the potential to have two fathers or two mothers and so there’s various permutations, these aren’t hard and fast.

KRIS: That is correct. In a unit where there are two females or two males, those specific influences — emotive or physical — will be gathered from the male or the female that demonstrates those perceptions. As the child reaches eight, nine, or ten years of age, then the focus shifts onto the parent paternal unit — the father figure in any way — and these are foundational for how the child will interpret his or her sexual influences. This has nothing to do with sexuality in any way, shape or form.

The child’s orientation to hetero or homosexual or bisexual are not determined by the father, but how the child interprets his or her sexual influences will be determined by the paternal unit. For instance you may have children who become adults who are more physically sexual or who express their sexual energy in a more physical manner and there are those who may interpret their sexual energy in a more emotional manner, meaning that the one who will interpret his or her sexual energy in a physical type manner will do so because he or she is uncomfortable with their emotional states. The one who interprets in an emotional manner will do so because he or she is uncomfortable with their physical selves, so they will throw their emotions self first, while the physical ones will throw their physical self first. Each in an attempt to more or less protect that part of self they feel is weakest. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Oh yeah.

MARK: (Jokingly) It explains MY childhood!

(Laughter)

ANYA: I was wondering if there were issues — I don’t know if they will be qualified as dungeon or no dungeon — if there are issues that can be released without addressing as part of the maintenance, I don’t know…once a month or whatever…you know, you go in a dream state with the intent of getting the energy released that you consciously do not have to be addressed. Could you comment a little bit about the usefulness of that?

KRIS: Very often your dreams will seek out means of further releasing issues that sometimes are not convenient to release at the conscious level. And this also works, because when there is recall of those types of dreams there is an enhanced sense of accomplishment in releasing the energy. It still involves and includes the conscious mind in that way, otherwise you would not recall the dream.

ANYA: Do I need to set the intent for that, or is it something that happens automatically?

KRIS: Not at all. As soon as the practice is set into motion and the suggestions given that this is possible, then the mechanisms go into action. Does that make sense to you?

ANYA: That’s great. That’s all I was asking. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed then. Now we would like to move into an adventure of practice. This would necessitate that you SIT and not lay down.

MARK: [To Joshua] That would mean you.

JOSHUA K.: Are you addressing me?

MARK: (Chuckling) Yep!

KRIS: INDEED and anyone else who may be lying down. It is necessary to sit and make certain that your feet are comfortably relaxed on the floor and your hands may be on your lap or somewhere nearby for greater comfort….and as you focus on your breath, we suggest that you pick a spot, either on the ceiling or nearby and focus on that spot as your eyes are still open…focus on the ceiling or a nearby spot.

[Kris leads the participants through the hypnotic induction, telling us to paying attention to our breath, and gently to relax all muscle groups starting at the top of the head and working our way down until seven minutes later we are all hopefully in a state of deep relaxation and he begins the practice adventure.]

And in a moment we will count from one to ten and at ten you will find yourself at the entrance of a very large, lovely castle. Now you are preparing to go down a set of steps that will lead you to the doors of a great and lovely castle. With your hand on the handrail, you begin to go down. One… two….three…deeper still….four, five, six….deeply relaxed…seven, eight, nine and ten.

Now before you there are a set of doors that open up into a great and lovely castle with many rooms and many doors. Take a brief moment to look at those doors. Notice details, perhaps colors, ornamentation….perhaps size, shape of doors….and notice that there is a large key that will unlock these doors and you can go in the great castle. With your hand on the key and the other hand on the handle, turn the key, open the great castle doors, take the key out of the lock, carry it with you, you will need it.

And enter into the great castle. Look about you. Perhaps there are very standard castle-like things in it: suits of armor, flags, shields, carpeting, stone walls, curtains, torches, candles or other means of lighting…..look about. Get a feel for the place…..

Begin to walk around. Perhaps you are interested in opening some of the doors along the corridors and peek inside, marvel at the furniture, the furnishings, admire the history of the place…..and as you keep walking about, you end up in a very large room and near the far wall is a throne and there is a long red carpet that leads to the steps, to the platform upon which the throne sits.

Walk towards the throne and see that it has your name upon it, carved or engraved. You might even be tempted to sit on the throne…and do so. Allow yourself to enjoy the moment. Perhaps there is even some exhilaration about sitting on the throne. Perhaps in your mind’s eye you might even be able to perceive your court, your subjects, perhaps even able to perceive that you make rules and laws for your kingdom…..

Now you are ready to move on. Perhaps you would like to go to the rooftop, the turrets or towers, look at the view. Perhaps there is a valley below, perhaps the castle is on a hilltop. Look as far as the eye can see. Admire the spread of your kingdom in all directions and allow yourself to feel that deep sense of satisfaction, that this is YOURS, you rule this great kingdom and you are the lord and master of this castle and that you are rich in many different ways.

And now you are ready to explore other areas of this great castle of yours, and you would like to visit the lower decks of the castle, perhaps there is a treasure vault where the riches of the kingdom are kept, perhaps there are food vaults, kitchens, and all sorts of other rooms, including the dungeon room, where the less desirable elements are often kept.

And as you walk along the lower decks of the castle, it may even dawn upon you that some of the less desirable elements have been imprisoned or incarcerated in various dungeon cells for some of the wrong reasons, or ill-perceived reasons. Perhaps you might even have misinterpreted situations, circumstances and conditions from your youth or your past and had inadvertently chosen to imprison, to lock away, to put away certain elements you may have deemed undesirable, that no longer warrant that labeling, that restraining.

And you remember that you have kept the key to this great castle, for it is a key that will unlock any lock and any door in the castle, and that you might like to open up some of those doors and give freedom to the elements inside so that they may see the light of day after such a long time being in the dark dungeon and lower levels of the castle.

Look at the various dungeon cell doors along this corridor and go to the door that you are drawn to, perhaps maybe one door, perhaps it may be a few or even several doors……

Allow yourself to feel in some way a kindness, a blessing, a grace towards the energies and elements that are in need of being freed right now by your key. Begin to unlock the door, or the doors……

And take a moment to bless your actions and the actions of freedom that you give……put the key back in your pocket and lead the way, perhaps back up to the towers or the turrets and look again towards the vast expanse of your kingdom and give freedom to those energies and elements that are so in need of spreading their own wings to catch the updraft and take flight. And see them off.

Allow yourself to feel a deep sense of accomplishment, perhaps even of an inner sense of joy…such joy and happiness within that it even brings a smile to your face, even a big grin to you. And head back towards the throne room, take a look around…..head back towards the main gate or entrance, step outside, close and lock the door with the key so that it is there for you to return when you need it.

And in a moment we will go back up the stairs, at one we will be at the top of the stairs and you can bring back with you that sense of fulfillment, joy and happiness that makes you smile. A sense of great well-being.

Now with your hand on the handrail we will count from ten to one, where you will be at the top at one. Ten…nine…eight…seven…six….five…four…three…two….one…you are now at the top of the stairs, still carrying the fulfillment, the great sense of well-being….and in a moment we will count from five to one and at one you will fully awake to your present and your eyes will be wide open.

Five, now your body may need more oxygen so breathe deeply…four, sensations return to your body, your limbs, your extremities….three…two…closer to awakening now…one, eyes wide open, wide awake, wide aware, and remember to keep with you the fulfillment, the well-being, the sense of joy. And we suggest that you take a small break.

(Break at 9:23 PM)

There is a long pause as everyone re-adjusts themselves to the present moment. This was the longest guided meditation that Kris has yet offered. Some participants comment on how deeply they went and how like coming out of a long nap this one was.

SERGE: (Taking stock of the room as he comes out of trance) I imagine it was one of those deep trips?

JOHN: Oh yeah, Kris is putting your hypnotherapy to very, very good use!

SERGE: (Chuckling)

MARK: He’s calling them “adventures” now, rather than meditations. “Adventures” and “Practices.”

Odette asks if anyone remembers what happened after putting the key in the lock. She couldn’t remember anything much after that point. There are some chuckles over this.

MARK: Did you miss sitting on the throne?

ODETTE: I do remember the throne, but nothing else.

ELLEN: You didn’t go down to the dungeon or up into the turrets?

ODETTE: (Laughing) No…

PAUL: Did you miss the part where he told us to go rob a bank tomorrow?

(Everyone cracks up)

ELLEN: Well, you went very deep, you “clicked out” as they say.

ODETTE: (Chuckling ruefully) Yes…I really would like to remember something.

ELLEN: That happens sometimes….some of it might come back to you later.

ODETTE: Perhaps. Perhaps I will go in my dreams, and remember my dream.

MARK: Oh! Hang on, he’s back.

KRIS: Now we suggest for just one brief, small moment that you allow yourselves to sit comfortably again, both feet on the ground, relax with your back supported, hands resting on your laps and not intertwined. And as you listen to the sound of our voice, pay attention to your breath and look again towards the ceiling, your eyes fixed upon the ceiling, listening to the sound of our voice and paying attention to your breath….

You begin to relax and on the count of five your eyes may close, or earlier they will close, feeling heavy. One… two…. three…four…and five. Your eyes close, you enter into a deep relaxation, and deeper still your relaxation continues as you pay attention to your breath and focused upon the sound of our voice. And any time we suggest to you that you enter into a deep relaxation, you will be able to do so faster, easier and deeper still than you have gone before.

And even though you may not have specifically remembered every aspect of the previous adventures and practices, your memory of the journey can eventually return over the next 24 hours and especially so in dream imagery where you will continue to do some of the work and you will be able to remember your dreams and you will be able to write them down.

And right now your relaxation deepens even still and even more. And whenever we suggest to you to enter into a deep relaxation, you will be able to do so deeper, easier and faster. And in a moment, when we count from five to one, you will awaken feeling refreshed, feeling mere seconds in this state of deep relaxation as in many minutes of deep sleep. You will feel well, bring with you a sense of well-being and wellness, and at one you will open your eyes completely awake and aware of the present.

Five…four…sensations return to your limbs, extremities, your body needs more oxygen, so take a deep breath….three, two, one…eyes wide open, fully awake and aware, feeling refreshed, filled with well-being.

So that should enable you to not only recall the journey, but to also have better recall of your dreams for they will be important in the clearing out processes that will ensue. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And we trust that you are feeling well and refreshed.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: You may on your own at a time where you will not be interrupted, take a few moments to enter into these deep states and suggest to yourselves that you will remember your dreams, you will feel as if each second you spend in that state is the equivalent of many minutes of deep sleep, feeling refreshed and filled with well-being when you come out of the state.

And if you can engage this kind of relaxation at least once or twice a day for a few moments when needed, you will also gain many benefits, such as increased awareness – both of conscious and unconscious or subjective content as it becomes more conscious – a deeper sense of relaxation, perhaps even a better sense of intuitiveness, and definitely a sense of not feeling rattled by events whereas things that might have upset you in the past may seem almost inconsequential now. And we trust that you have enjoyed your journey.

Are there any particular questions at this time on this subject? (Pause) Then we wish you all most pleasant dreams and a lovely week ahead.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: And we thank you for your kindness and consideration once again.

MARK: 9:37 … and Kris has left the building.

Detailed Roll Call:
Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Joshua and Sylvia
Castaic, CA: Paul (Janaki)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Jen (Alma), Cathy (Segova) and Brian (El-Don)
Gatineau Quebec: Odette
Oregon: Lisa (Lauramar)
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
Salt Lake, UT: Anya (Greensleeves)

10 Minutes of Joy

October 15, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 15, 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and Joshua K.

[MARK’S NOTES: Once again, prior to Kris’ arrival, we were discussing EFT and how to eliminate symptoms by using this technique.]

(7:47 PM)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable up to and including yourself (looking at Joshua). Now as you’ve begun to point out and surmise, you have to keep in mind that symptoms are not in any way, shape, or form, in and of themselves, the disturbance. They are the communication. They are the messenger. Thus if you maul the messenger, you might not be able to get the message. If you suppress or submerge the symptoms then the message may come back much louder, much stronger, until you pay attention.

That is why there are many occasions when, EFT will work seemingly in a miraculous fashion, because the individual has been able to carefully address the issue. But there are many other situations when some degree of relief is achieved, but not enough to make a marked difference, though it may still be impressive. It is as if something is lingering, and within a few days or weeks, then the issue seems to come back to the scene because the underlying factors, the aspects, have not been properly recognized and addressed. That is when you change from a Teflon pan to a cast iron pan. First of all, eggs will stick better, and you can hit better with it! [Referring to the “Egg on Teflon” session.]

(Laughter)

It carries more weight. But, all in all, EFT is a marvelous tool. Quite likely in terms of its modality, almost more effective than the general populace is wont to believe, because the population has been carefully trained to believe that one has to undergo many tedious hours, days and weeks and even months because it brings in the greenbacks. Thus, it can be a thorn in the side of the more conventional practitioners because they might not be able to make money off it. That is another issue for another day and another time.

MYRNA: Kris, I have another question.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: (Hemming and hawing and finding it difficult to begin) Um…um….uh…so…

KRIS: Do you wish to do a set-up on a question? [EFT joke.]

(Riotous laughter)

MYRNA: (Laughing) Yes, even though….even though I get that EFT works at a certain level, I also understand that it’s about beliefs. It’s about unconscious beliefs, perhaps, that are creating the short-circuits that are sending the negative emotion of the message.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: So, here we go…what do we combine with EFT? This is our question that John and I have been thinking about. EFT in and of itself might be a quick fix if somebody — it’s not a quick fix [but] — if somebody has been doing a lot of work and then they approach it, it may, you know, seem like a miracle, but most of the time, that’s not the case, I don’t believe. And…what do we combine with EFT to get at the underlying belief? The set-up phrase is, “Even though I’ve got ringing in my ears, I deeply and completely accept myself,” so I unblock a short circuit, but that’s not getting at the underlying belief that’s creating that short circuit.

KRIS: There are occasions when becoming conscious of the underlying or core of the situation in a conscious manner may actually interfere, because of the conscious individual’s almost cosmic capacity to keep shuffling and denying the issue. Do you follow so far?

MYRNA: Well, I hear your words, but I have to have an example.

KRIS: The human individual has an extremely large capacity to deny and suppress what he or she does not want to deal with up to and including dying instead of facing up to the issues. Is that a little more clear?

JOSHUA K.: Yes. So how does that relate to what she’s saying?

KRIS: Because you have layers upon layers — aspects in EFT — that are also concomitant factors in the situation. So though there might be a ringing in the ear as the apparent primary symptom, that symptom is indicative of another in a subconscious situation, which may have to do with not wanting to hear, therefore blocking out sound. Some people for instance, men may actually zone out certain pitches of the female voice, including their wives’ or mother-in-laws’ voice, especially if it fits the pitch range that they are accustomed to wanting to block out, therefore they do not hear and may have covered that up with tinnitus of one kind or another. Do you follow so far?

MYRNA: I do.

KRIS: Underneath that, below the layers of blocking out nagging wife or mother-in-law’s voice, may be other issues that they do not also want to listen to within their own consciousness, may have issues related to their youth, to their teachers or to voices of authority, or even voices they consider threatening in one way or another. So you may have a gradation of issues and EFT may be able to alleviate the topmost, then the second layer can easily move into one’s individual awareness.

MYRNA: Oh, I see.

KRIS: Once you begin to address that, then the third may make itself a little more prominent, therefore you are slowly, literally, sucking out all of those issues.

JOSHUA K.: So you EFT the topmost –

KRIS: Then the second comes so you can work on that.

JOSHUA K.: So then you EFT the next –

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: So actually what you are suggesting is that EFT will work on all the belief layers.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: So EFT will also work on the belief system as well?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: Over and above just pure physical symptoms, it will also work on –

KRIS: The symptoms themselves are merely signals. They are message units from the unconscious, literally knocking on your brain, “Hey friend! You are not paying attention!” Open the door to communications.

JOSHUA K.: So how would one know to be aware of what is the issue to be addressed?

KRIS: One has to develop an affinity for their own sentiment and we have developed some of that with the Triple ‘A’ method. Acknowledge your issue, Address your issue, Accept your issue, which fits in very nicely with EFT. So it requires a simple question of becoming aware of the contents of your mind, your inner dialog, inner conversation, where your emotions are at at any given time, instead of being airy-fairy floaty everywhere nice-y.

(Group chuckles)

Does that make some sense?

JOSHUA K.: Does EFT have to work…I mean you have to be conscious or aware of what it is for EFT to work, or can you–

KRIS: Not initially. Some people, in fact many people, have achieved a great deal of results at the surface-most layer, and very often it does address the issue directly, but for those who have a bit more difficulty, we suggest: pay attention. You might begin to whittle off the top layer, then more comes up. Keep working at it. It requires as much patience, pertinence, persistence, as all the patience, pertinence and persistence you have invested in creating the condition in the first place.

JOHN: (Inaudible)

KRIS: Indeed, and that is the same area where the human individual is deemed almost an expert in taking the time to deny and discount their own experiences themselves in whatever aspect capacity.

JOHN: Another channeled source calls us the “masters of limitation.”

KRIS: Indeed, and it is perhaps a lovely understatement. (Group chuckling) But in that same capacity we do, if we had a hat, we would tip it off to your lovely selves for the endearing qualities and energies you invest in that area of your lives.

MYRNA: Well, on the positive side of that, are we not also taking thought where it’s never gone before?

KRIS: You have also developed the capacity to begin to unlearn all of the negative and destructive patterns that you have built up, realizing unconsciously that if you do keep this up, you will literally become automatons, dead to your own sense of selfhood.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: That is an area where the unconscious will not allow you to go. There is such a thing as fear of the unknown and desiring to stay within what is known, even if what is known endangers your own lives. As we have pointed out recently, many abused spouses would prefer to stay within the situation because it is KNOWN, whilst leaving the abusive situation incurs so many UNKNOWNS that it is considered undoable. Therefore there is further retreat into what is known.

MYRNA: I have an example of that, not as harsh as the one perhaps you have described with the abusive spouse…believing that life from A to B can be a pleasurable journey, is sometimes as difficult for me as it might be leaving an abusive situation. I’m over-dramatizing here, but my belief, A to B has been one of intensity, intensity, intensity, understand, you know, like, work it out, struggle…..getting myself to the point of believing that life can be pleasurable….it just blows me away how difficult that is for me.

MARK: That actually appears to be the norm, I find. [For most people.]

MYRNA: I mean, I have attracted John into my life who lives the belief of life being fun, so I know I’m moving in that direction, but it’s unbelievably difficult for me!

JOHN: Well, must be worthwhile then!

(Laughter)

MYRNA: There I go.

KRIS: Consider as well how your perceptions are utilized to manage your realities. For instance, you [Myrna] are a very physical, intellectual individual. Sohars is, in many areas, quite the opposite. (To John) We are not indicating here that you are not intelligent, in no way, shape or form. What we are saying is that you [John] are more of an emotional/intellectual individual. You [Myrna] are more prone to physical expression. You [John] are more prone to emotional types of expressions. You [John] often learn by inferences.

You [Myrna] often learn by direct black and white descriptions. Inferences sometimes even seem to confuse you and that is not a fault. You [all] have a specific manner in which you have programmed yourself to learn from inferences. And so have you. And so have you and so have you [going around the room pointing at everyone]. So has everyone on your planet. These should best be recognized to give you an edge in understanding how your perceptions then manage your reality, because you do create it through your perception, correct?

(Yes)

By understanding where or what kind of lenses you use to filter out both your beliefs and your reality, will give you that enhanced understanding of how you operate, how you see the world, and how you dissect it to try and understand it, basically trying to understand your own selves. (To Joshua) You had a question?

JOSHUA K.: Yeah, so what I’m understanding from that is that when we are born we have a pre-programmed bent as to how we see things and perceive things.

KRIS: To a certain degree. We did not specifically say you are born with it. You learn it in infancy. You learn that from your parents.

JOSHUA K.: Okay, but aren’t we also…have a predilection, a propensity for certain kind of –

KRIS: You have CHOSEN your family into which you will be born to make certain programming, and from there you take the ball and run, but it behooves each individual to understand how it is they perceive the world so that they know how that perceptive mechanism creates that world for them. Without that understanding it might even be very difficult for the individual to even find his or her place in reality and to understand this big world, feeling very puny within it [and] ineffective.

JOSHUA K.: So again, it’s the old saying of “Know Thyself.”

KRIS: Indeed, but what does “thyself” mean?

JOSHUA K.: All right, that’s one of my questions, because you mentioned before, when you were talking about EFT and the various layers that keep popping up and so on, so it’s basically boiling down to various issues that we suppress, that happened in childhood and various [times] in life, which determine often our emotional and physical state … or influences it, anyway. I wanted to ask you if you are aware that there’s an organization that’s specifically geared for eliminating the various programs that the human being creates from influences or even from past lives. Are you aware that there is an organization that actually deals with that?

KRIS: What is this organization?

JOSHUA K.: It’s called “Scientology.”

KRIS: We are well aware of Scientology.

JOSHUA K.: And they’re specifically geared to finding out and locating all this specific incidence in one’s life –

KRIS: Yes, we are well aware of Scientology, well aware of their doctrine. We are also very well aware of their beliefs about beings in other galaxies and dimensions doing this to their needs and we are well aware that these are merely beliefs and not truths.

JOSHUA K.: What is?

KRIS: That teaching is not a truth, it is a belief. It is not an absolute truth.

JOSHUA K.: The fact about the programming, the incidents?

KRIS: Yes, all of it.

JOSHUA K.: But you just said that it is a truth, before, about the various layers in incident in our daily –

KRIS: The individual does this to himself or herself. It is not imposed upon them by beings that are bent on destroying the human race ultimately through indoctrinization in that sense. Those are merely beliefs invented by the founder, Ron L. Hubbard, merely his perceptions. They are not absolute truths. However, we are also well aware that they would defend their proof, as any mythology would.

JOSHUA K.: From what I understand…I’m not the big expert on that organization…from what I understand it’s basically setting the individual free by locating various painful incidents in one’s life and then erasing them so the individual would become actually just….you become….free, unhindered by various painful incidents.

MYRNA: Well, that’s one methodology. I would suggest a type of therapy claims to do exactly the same thing. The difference …[Joshua interrupts.]

JOSHUA K.: The difference really, I take from what I understand it, Scientology is very, very technical and they also use a (very garbled and unintelligible here.)

MARK: That sounds very similar to the Catholic Church when you’re… [Joshua interrupts.]

JOSHUA K.: Where in other therapies, it can go on and on, it’s just more or less….you think, it might be data, it might be data…

MYRNA: If I may, I think for me, I’ve done a lot of different modalities for years…the biggest piece that I have learned here that I can now claim, thanks to Kris and others, is that there is no agency outside of myself.

JOSHUA K.: No, that’s true.

MYRNA: Period! So the journey has been to look at those events, but through the lens now of me having created that for purposes that have been of benefit. There’s something there that I needed to know, so whatever’s happening out there is merely a reflection of here (indicating herself), what’s going on in here. That gives me a power that I never experienced before through anything else and nor does the longing to blame, the blame just gets –

JOHN: Or be a victim.

MYRNA: Or be a victim. None of that! So the empowering over the last couple years –

[Someone makes a joke, I couldn't decipher it in the laughter]

KRIS: Perhaps our most basic comment on this other system is that the more money you can offer, the more freedom you can experience.

JOHN: (Laughs)

JOSHUA K.: That’s somewhat sarcastic, I understand.

KRIS: Perhaps even more so. Not much unlike, the more “charity” you can give to the Vatican in days gone by, the more pardons he gives you towards your sins. There is an interesting correlation. Now –

MYRNA: What I believe — one more thing — what I believe is Kris’ voice right now is Myrna’s Essence talking to me — I’m Myrna, as a focal personality now– so this Essence in front of us now is really my being reached by my own Essence, to let me know what I should know.

KRIS: Our only diff… [Joshua begins to talk over top of Kris.]

JOSHUA K.: (The first part of Joshua’s comment is lost as he and Kris both speak at the same time) One the one hand you were saying how you finally found that everything is within yourself…

MYRNA: Right.

JOSHUA K.: On the other hand you sort of go…you leave yourself like a sort of loophole where you say, “Well, a reflection of Kris reflecting me to come back to myself.”

MYRNA: But that is all me.

JOSHUA K.: Yeah, but one can say that about when you are audited by say, Scientology, basically is just being yourself to yourself. That’s all that they claim to do.

MYRNA: Sure! You’re right.

JOSHUA K.: They don’t tell you at all what to think, what to do, how to behave.

MYRNA: Sure.

JOSHUA K.: It’s just reflecting what you say back to yourself.

MYRNA: Sure, fine.

KRIS: Our only difficulty is our voice cannot be as melodious as your own.

(Group chuckles)

JOSHUA K.: I’ll tell you the reason I’m asking is because often there are so many various theories and therapies and gurus and books and systems and some of them seem to be quite sincere or valid.

KRIS: And quite likely, the majority are sincere of intent. Very often your lovely egoism gently slips into the scenario and then you have issues of control and authoritarian issues appear. Certain leaders MAY desire to advance their own personal agenda, very often that leads into the suppression of the adherent’s or client’s own development for the sake of advancing the cause.

JOSHUA K.: Do you feel that’s the case with L. Ron Hubbard?

KRIS: We feel that that is the case with any established system on your planet, whether it is Islam, Christianity, or any other doctrine or dogma that exists. For the very sake of there being a system involved, whereas, in the long run, the system becomes primary, and the individual, the adherent, the devotee, become secondary.

JOSHUA K.: But that was not the intent of the founder.

KRIS: That may very well be, as it was not the intent of original founders of the Roman Catholic and Christian faith, but as systems evolve –

JOSHUA K.: Right, so, yes I know that’s a natural inherent to all groups. Every time you have a group you have…it naturally, it corrupts itself. It’s a built-in mechanism with a group. But the founder himself, do you find that they intentionally deceive their adherents? Like in the case of L. Ron Hubbard?

KRIS: We are not aware if the founder discovered such notions.

JOSHUA K.: Discovered?

KRIS: (Clarifying) We are not aware if Mr. Hubbard became aware that eventually his system would lead to consider the very people he sought to help as to control them.

JOSHUA K.: And what about…just by way of sort of closing this subject matter….another group called the B’Hai people, or the B’Hai faith, which again the founder is going to be ….retain the holy prophets, back prophets…

[MARK’S NOTES: This individual is claiming that HE and HE alone is a culmination of ALL past prophets and that he speaks for God.]

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: Does that have any validity?

KRIS: As in all systems, there are always elements that contain a great deal of validity. There are also elements in all systems that become distortions, and distortions are often super-imposed upon those elements that are not distortions, because it is more profitable in the long run to maintain the distortions because then you can play with the distortions and manipulate them, stretch them a little more, make them more convenient for the organization. And this is not necessarily something that people come and sit down at the breakfast table and decide they will do this. It occurs naturally.

JOSHUA K.: Basically I’m asking is, is it true? He claims to be the messenger of God, sent by God. Is that true?

KRIS: The claim in his own mind may be true, but then there have been many individuals who have made similar claims. They may all have contained a spark of truth. Anyone in this room may also claim to be the voice of the Divine and they might not be untrue, since you are all expressions of ‘All That Is’. Why would one individual be more of ‘All That Is’ than the others?

JOSHUA K.: I don’t know. I’m asking you.

KRIS: We are telling you. Thus, in our view, no one individual may be more the voice of the Divine than the next guy.

JOSHUA K.: So in other words, basically what you’re saying is there is no such thing as prophets or messengers, basically we’re all on our own here.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: So that’s your view, then.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: These outside agencies take away your power, the fact that you’re going to an external agency to gain something or get something… whereas all of it resides within. You have all the answers.

KRIS: Ultimately, whether one claims to be the one single unique voice of the Divine or not, the purpose SHOULD be to teach others to make their own connections, not to teach others to come to the one voice, so that the one voice will tell them what the Divine wants of them, otherwise you are setting another dogma.

MYRNA: There is something, if I may, in the way you worded it a moment ago that I have a reaction to, and that is “we are now on our own.” Those weren’t quite your words, but [are close enough] ….It’s…at once very scary, and on the other hand, the most empowering thing that I’ve learned, because now I know I’m not on my own — well, most of the time I do! There are many times I forget (Chuckling) — that’s what doing this work is, because the most frightening thing for me was the feeling of being alone and continues to scare the hell out of me. However I walked away from organized religion and I’m out here trying to learn my own power.

JOSHUA K.: But one also can own the mental perception. It’s really on the one hand, it’s scary, we are only ourselves, but we have to just trust ourself, the individual is the authority out there, but also the other way of perceiving it is that we and the other authority are really one and there is no contradiction, there is no conflict, so again, it depends how one looks at it or explains it.

KRIS: As long as the individual has an understanding that he or she has endowed the other with the authority that they have denied themselves. Once that understanding begins to take hold, then no other system may supersede or superimpose its teachings upon you, because you recognize that you have the very same connection but might be less prone to make the ultimate claim that only you have the line to the Divine.

JOSHUA K.: I understand that and I –

KRIS: And it is a very difficult situation because, for thousands of years your species has been indoctrinated to believe that only a select few come once in a while as THE one and only voice of the Divine. That is pure suggestion…and those who are convinced that they could never be worthy enough of having that connection would gladly gravitate to those who make claims that THEY have the one connection. But the one that has the connection and makes claims that he or she is the only one that makes the connection will cultivate that sense that you are unworthy, therefore, “Come here, and WE will speak for the Divine and we will try and appease your unworthiness but you can NEVER have that connection.”

So it is a political play and it works very well. People have been using it for literally thousands and thousands of years as the priestly classes have come and gone and come and gone, over and over again and it creates some of the most beautiful dramas your species has known from time immemorial. Without that, your lives would seem rather devoid of soap operas.

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: “Days of Our Lives” has nothing on religious dramas!

MYRNA: Well, we’re certainly playing one out now!

MARK: Yeah, no kidding!

KRIS: Now we will take a small break.

(Break begins at 8:24 PM)

[Break concerned discussion about EFT, viewing waking situations as if they are dreams as a way of interpreting and solving issues and identifying the underlying beliefs, and John's evolving work as a coach using these and other methods.]

(Kris returns at 8:32 PM)

KRIS: Now we suggest that you do not get all boggled up all at once and leave some boggling for later! (Group chuckling. The last sentence Myrna was heard to say at break was: “It just boggles my mind.”) Of course you can alter any situation and a very good premise is the sentence, “What if?….What would happen if..?” For instance, you could do without your pain in your knee or pain in the neck. What would your feelings in life be if you could do away with it, if you had those situations?

MYRNA: I think you’re talking to John, not me. (Laughing, to John) You’ve got the pain in the knee and the neck!

KRIS: It is merely a question.

MYRNA: Okay, all right.

KRIS: Then, the limitations usually imposed by conscious conditioning are temporarily suspended.

MYRNA: I’m sorry…you’re asking what if — I could be asking myself –

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: What if I didn’t have the pain in the knee, or I didn’t have the pain in the neck, what would it allow me to be doing?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Oh…that’s another way of asking why.

KRIS: Yes. It is a little more subtle. And what it does is actually suspend the conscious conditioning that you have and that is the important key to get into the unconscious or the subconscious mind. Anything that suspends the conscious control that you have established upon it, the fixation or even obsession that most human beings have when they get caught in the hamster wheel. So any of those situations will work very nicely, even to begin scratching the surface. EFT is another one. Thus, anything that you can use in that manner, feel free to use.

JOHN: The question for me, Kris…..here we are, 2006, and in the last ten years we’ve come a long way, I feel. Many of the techniques and tools that you and others have made available to us….are these like training wheels on a bike, for somebody learning how to ride in the sense that two, three, four, five years from now, ten years from now, we won’t need the training wheels any more, we will just go directly to –

KRIS: You will have learned to establish a direct link to your own conscious.

JOHN: So we won’t be tapping any more, we’ll just –

KRIS: You will have developed sufficient self-awareness to know your motivating factors. You will know how your perceptive mechanism creates and thus be able to make the alterations when it poses a problem in your own expressions in the manifestations of your lives. Thus, these are excellent tools and you may still use some of them fifteen, twenty years down the line as suits your needs.

JOHN: Well, what occurred to me and what I’m catching a glimpse of just recently is that for the last five years of learning about this stuff, I’ve been mostly using these techniques and this information to basically bring myself from a negative state up to zero, to a neutral place. I’m beginning to get an idea that the same tools, or similar tools, can be used to go from a neutral place to pretty wonderful, adventurous, fun places that have nothing to do with fixing any problems, but have to do with creating wonders. I guess that wasn’t really a question, was it? (Chuckling)

KRIS: It was a statement, and one you know to be very factual. That is the ultimate aim.

JOSHUA K.: Let me ask you, Kris, how did you discover or know about EFT?

KRIS: We know of many things, not all of which we say we know, for a variety of reasons. There are times when, for instance, the mother knows that if the child runs too fast, he will fall and scrape his knees, and that she should not under any circumstances actually prevent the child from falling and scraping his knees because he has to develop his own learning methods to cope with the realities that he will create as a youth, adolescent and adult, and his own family later on.

There are many techniques that your species will re-invent that have presently been forgotten. EFT itself will evolve. Other modalities will also evolve and create new ones, offshoots of which will also create. Some will become more popular, some less, some that are presently popular will create offshoots which will become more popular and these processes have been going on for thousands of eons.

JOSHUA K.: I wanted to ask you since you have recommended EFT to some people over the years, did you check…I mean, there must be like, thousands of different techniques…how did you decide to hone in on EFT and to recommend it to some people? Have you checked all the other techniques and decided that this is the best one? What’s the process that you chose that one over thousands of other techniques?

KRIS: We could have instead chosen others such as EMF, which is another kind of modality which deals with the electrical field or the magnetic or auric field of the individual. We find that such a technique itself ultimately becomes too complicated and……we are looking for a word……perhaps the word we will use is not the best, but it can become addictive in the … (Kris suddenly chooses a word he likes better) dependent!…It ultimately not providing the individual with the ultimate freedom to recognize their own processes in the works. There are many others that could also be suitable. Some are rather complex, some are archaic.

JOSHUA K.: So this is what I’m asking you, have you checked all of them and decided that this is the best, or –

KRIS: We have looked at several and of those we have looked at, EFT offers many more promises than even its founder presently is aware of.

MARK: It should also be noted, though, that EFT is not the only technique that he has ever recommended. There have been many over the years and you have to utilize what people have available to them, around them at that time. EFT is fairly common right now. NLP has its practitioners out there as well.

KRIS: NLP is also very good and there are different schools of Reiki that are very good. Some are not so good.

JOSHUA K.: I’m now seeing somebody for Reiki. Do you know if she’s good?

MARK: (Laughing)

KRIS: We suppose that, even after several years, not much has changed.

MARK: You’re still asking for fortune-telling. [Joshua has a history of asking these types of questions even though he knows Kris will not go there.]

KRIS: Whether your Reiki practitioner is good or not, remember that ultimately you give her the authority to do what normally, or under other conditions, you would not do for yourself. So our humble suggestion to you is utilize what she is offering but at the same time seek to learn. Do it yourself.

That is one of the most beautiful premises of EFT itself, that you do it yourself. That is one of its most inherent, innate beauties. There is no one practitioner that does it for you unless you yourself learn to do it and then you simply follow the need until you are able to be comfortable with it. That is why we have honed in on EFT more than others at this point in time. (Pause.) [To John] You have another question?

JOHN: Well you already answered it, actually, by saying that Gary Craig, the guy who invented or discovered EFT [and] that it goes beyond what he has [understood]…..I’ve never bought his explanation and I have a feeling that a person could zero in on even more effective utilizations of the basic technique.

KRIS: Indeed, and many have. Many have almost re-written the tapping procedures and found it to be exceptionally effective as well.

MYRNA: Okay, that brings up a question. Some of the practitioners in the set-up phrase first start with an “Even though…” and then move to a choice statement. So, Gary started off with an “Even though I have a headache, I deeply and completely accept myself.” That was the original set-up phrase. Many of the practitioners now might say, “Even though I have a headache, I CHOOSE to feel serene and peaceful.” And they make that part of the set-up phrase a choice statement and tap on both, the negative and the positive. Kris, do you have any sense….I understand what’s happening when we tap on the negative – we’re setting up the short circuit — when we tap on the positive aspect, might we be doing something too?

KRIS: Indeed, you are widening the field of possibilities available to you. And both instances will produce results.

JOHN: Good to know.

KRIS: Remember that you are always at the helm.

MARK: As John pointed out earlier, you know, what we’re experiencing now will change, will improve in the future, as you were talking about EFT, you know, we started tapping all over the place and now we’re short-forming it to just the basic six or whatever, and it’s still working, so that’s a statement in itself that we’re getting better at this and we’re changing it, we’re adapting it…

MYRNA: What I like about moving to choice in the second part of the set-up is…you know, we’re talking about beliefs, changing our attention from this particular belief to another belief and I like the idea of being able to strengthen quickly, or more quickly, that second belief.

JOHN: The “destination” belief.

MYRNA: The destination belief, right. Remember moving from two shores?

JOHN: Yeah.

MYRNA: Right. The destination belief.

JOHN: But don’t forget the treasure island in the middle that might make us change course.

MYRNA: (Chuckling)

KRIS: Any good sailor, including pirates, will tell you exploring treasure islands is well worth the diversion. One never knows what kind of jewels you will find.

MYRNA: So none of this is a waste of time, because they’re all treasure islands.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Going back to that “what if” statement, something else I noticed that it seems to do is if we get caught up in something, let’s say a physical illness, we tend to have it in the forefront. We concentrate on it, and you get what you concentrate upon. But going back to “What if I didn’t have this illness,” actually gets you to stop for a moment and focus on NOT having the symptom.

KRIS: Indeed. Some individuals might recognize the use of illnesses and symptoms to manipulate others. Some get sympathy. Some get love and attention, even from their perceived god, “I must be someone very special, for God to give me an illness. He must be paying attention to me now. See how special I am in my illness, my divine illness.” This may actually never come to the conscious forefront of the individual because it is too real and it will be further suppressed.

And in many instances such illnesses do not have a physical basis. There is manifestation but no physio-biological cause in the standard medical terms, because it is actually, consciously created by the individual, but as quickly hidden so that there is no direct blame or judgment for that matter. Another kind of approach will then be needed, one that requires delving into the unconscious and that individual to help bring it to awareness and also bring about the solution.

JOSHUA K.: What about…is it possible….you spoke of our specific belief system to cause an illness. Could it be, for example, that an illness is caused not by a specific belief, but by say, general depression?

KRIS: The individual may not consciously be aware of the depression, but the individual – in terms of the unconscious individual – knows what is occurring and that too, can be alleviated. It may require some work, both on the part of the practitioner as well as the individual to bring back a sense of balance to the psyche, but it is not beyond any individual to choose an alternate behavior.

Physical symptoms are behavioral. They are behavior indicative of negative and suppressed patterns, and depression is no different. And once a situation has gone for a long time uncorrected, it becomes so habitual that it is first nature. It is the first thing that appears upon the individual and this creates a great deal of incongruencies.

MYRNA: So, an example: I love the “What if” because it means that I then have to face the limiting belief, so if my limiting belief is that the universe is unsafe…..never mind.

(Group laughter)

KRIS: Are you sensing that you could be laying a trap for yourself?

MYRNA: No no no. No, I just have been down this path so many times that I know I’ve got the answers! (Laughs) So never mind!

KRIS: The universe is, again, merely your perception.

JOSHUA K.: I want to go back one step to what she said before where you said that eventually things will evolve, less and less people will become more focused….the procedure will be shorter because we will progress more? I was thinking about it the last few months. Is it possible to, instead of examining every single belief system, or every single emotion that we have, or incident, is it possible to really bypass all this and go to a very quick, almost a single bullet solution –

MYRNA: (Chuckling) You wish!

JOSHUA K.: For example, instead of examining every negative belief and so on, just have what’s in your belief to sort of bypass all of them and give you direct…to connect you directly to Source….some kind of source.

KRIS: We understand your question.

JOSHUA K.: I was just generally sort of thinking of the word “acceptance.” Total and absolute acceptance of each moment of one’s life. True acceptance. I mean, really all encompassing –

KRIS: Considering the situation your race is presently struggling with globally, we would estimate that perhaps, in another few thousand years, your species would have developed sufficient self-cognizance to be able to deal with conglomerates of beliefs. But right now your species, individuals, can barely deal with any one situation at any one time without fumbling around in the dark. We understand that a quick fix certainly might be very appealing, and certainly your marketing forces and commercials and advertising do want to promote the idea that you can get one small little pill that will fix all of humankind’s ills, but ultimately the promise falls far short of the reality.

JOSHUA K.: I’m not talking about physical ills or solutions.

KRIS: We are using that as an example. Though, to answer your question more directly and more black and white as possibly could: No.

MARK: We are complex, multidimensional beings, It would be impossible to solve every single complex situation, emotional situation, with one single…

KRIS: And at the same time, an aspect of Essence, another focus personality, may have a very specific need for their symptoms and illnesses at its point in time and for it to removed without their acquiescence is a violation, just like you do not take the knife away from baby without replacing it with a lollipop. Otherwise you are completely dis-empowering the child and teaching the child that anything he does that you deem wrong will leave him utterly powerless, leading him into future conflicts with authority figures. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

KRIS: There are always things to be considered that are not always apparent.

JOHN: But the other thing that strikes me about your question is the….let’s say we’ve got a thousand problems, a thousand negative beliefs as you’ve described them. We have developed those with great and loving care for very, very specific and beneficial reasons for ourselves so as we work through that, we gain a better understanding, so we would rob ourselves of a lot of very carefully laid plans if we would just bingo, and just…besides, what would you do next –?

KRIS: In that respect you are correct. Basically any situation you interpret as negative is seen by the holder as providing him or her with a certain kind of benefit. In order to change that modality you need to provide benefits for the alternate. If not, then what is the point? If all you say to a smoker is “You need to stop smoking,” they would smoke more. If you do provide them with alternative benefits: “It will prolong your life, it will keep you healthier, and more people will enjoy kissing you,” (Laughter) and so on and so forth. This might entice them to think about their habit, and possibly thinking about changing that habit, dropping it for the benefits.

JOSHUA K.: Could they for example, perhaps continue to smoke if they changed their beliefs about negative effect of smoking so they will not be affected by the negative aspect of smoking if they changed their belief about it?

KRIS: That may be at the conscious part of the mind, but ultimately, even when a smoker says, “There are no negative or ill effects in my body with my smoking,” and then proceeds to hack, then they are in denial, they are denying their own truth. And it is very common to see smokers claim it is such a great thing to take a puff and simultaneously hack and spit their lungs out and then smoke some more to quell the pain. Do you understand?

JOSHUA K.: Yes.

MYRNA: I’ve also known people who have smoked a great deal and lived to be a hundred.

KRIS: That is also possible.

MYRNA: Because they didn’t see it as negative.

KRIS: And those are few and far between.

JOHN: (Chuckling) And they weren’t much fun to kiss either.

KRIS: So one has to examine each individual in the situation that they are creating and understand if it is creating adverse effects in their lives, then it might to their advantage to then alter that pattern or get rid of it entirely. Each individual will be different. And as Sigmund Freud once said, “Sometimes a cigar is merely a cigar.”

MARK: Another take on this, or another perspective on this is that Essence…let’s say that Essence is choosing to experience financial wealth. It will create a whole host of focus personalities that range from poverty to the extreme rich and all the shades of gray in between in order to gather all the experiences regarding money. Now if you take away all the so-called “negative” you’d lose all the valuable experience of all the shades of gray. You make everything bland, you make everything that perfect so-called total lie, no such thing as poverty, no such thing as wealth, everybody just has what they want, no such thing as illness, just that perfect world would be very bland…. [Pause]

[Turning to Kris.] Right?

MYRNA: (Chuckling) Correct?

KRIS: Need we comment?

MARK: But a world without issues, without problems, without any…

KRIS: There are many times when difficult challenges are motivators. It was once considered by a group of people that religions were the scourge of humankind. Therefore it would seem logical to eliminate religious systems. What did they replace it with? Communism, the religion of the common individual, the common individual becomes a religion instead.

JOSHUA K.: But this is sort of a system built in….dichotomy or conflict….life itself has… the moment you get a group together, even two or three people, you already to some degree have set up some sort of religion. There are system do’s, system don’ts, system rules…

KRIS: The moment you have ONE individual it requires the same tactic.

JOSHUA K.: More so, it’s more emphasized in a group of people. You get a group mentality.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: So it’s a built-in mechanism to life itself. Life itself has that quality about it. It’s more clear, exaggerated when you get those huge, established religions. It’s more exaggerated, but even in the small group, like the politics in the office or the workplace, it has a form of religion. It’s the authority, the fear, the guilt, the manipulation, just like any religion.

MARK: That’s true.

JOSHUA K.: So even a couple, a relationship, has a form of religion.

MARK: And that’s not a bad thing, it’s just a thing.

JOSHUA K.: But when it goes so big, like Islam, or Christianity, or something, it can get –

MARK: The choice to go with religions, like let’s say the last two thousand years; that was a particular experiment in consciousness. That was a choice made by all of us to experiment with and now that’s changing and we’re moving into new beliefs, a new experiment. It’s just a different choice.

JOHN: I like this new one.

MARK: Yeah, so do I. We’re just at that cut where we’re clueing into the pros and cons of this particular last experiment and changing them to a different thing.

JOSHUA K.: Kris, do you ever see on this planet, no religion? That we will one day evolve into having no religions at all?

KRIS: Not on this planet. It is built into the belief systems, into which you agree before birth only because you deem it necessary and important to your development. Even for an atheist it is still important to have that in the background and to deal with people who are involved in those situations. If it was not deemed important to the development of the personality then you would not enter this physical dimension at all. You would take physical existence elsewhere.

JOSHUA K.: So this is the key…only if you believe in religion you will incarnate on this planet?

KRIS: We did say even atheists…but it is part of the foundational belief system in this reality. And you do have at least a few atheists on the planet… Perhaps two or three.

(Group chuckles)

But even for them, the foundational systems, including religion, are important. Even if they themselves are not directly involved, they are INDIRECTLY involved, because others are involved, so they play off those things as well and it becomes important if only for the sake of denying. If someone is not interested in developing any of those developments deemed unnecessary for their own evolution, then they would enter another kind of system where beliefs are different.

JOSHUA K.: So in those systems, other systems where religion does not exist, what are the overall organizing…..?

MYRNA: Principles?

JOSHUA K.: Yeah, do they have an equivalent of religion?

KRIS: Their social structures might be based upon something entirely different than the systems of social structuring in your world and may not even have any kind of centralized deities in any way, shape or form. For that matter, they may themselves BE the very deities. That was no need to subjugate oneself to another.

MYRNA: Kris, you know we’ve been hearing about the Shift, engaged in the Shift, and I had thought for awhile that the Shift was moving towards openness, liberalism, progressive thought, and all of a sudden it feels like it snuck up on me that we find ourselves right now in 2006 here having to deal with such fundamentalism. Like, all of a sudden religion is so in our faces right now, whether it’s the conservatism of the United States and parts of Canada, whether it’s the fundamentalism of radical Islam…I mean it’s so…what is going on?

KRIS: Perhaps we can use an analogy. If you cut yourself and there is some pain and then you put iodine or peroxide on it, will it not sting more for a few moments until it begins to heal?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: And we make that comparison because for the longest time religions have been accepted blindly as the only carriers of truth, the only expression of Divine Truth. Now people are recognizing that this is not the case, so religions have become even more prominent because people are examining their own attachments to religion.

MYRNA: And are religions therefore in reaction to this?

MARK: Change doesn’t come easy. Fear of change.

MYRNA: I feel like we’re being swamped! I thought at one point –

MARK: It’s a fight for survival.

MYRNA: Oh, it sure feels like it.

KRIS: Even an old wounded dog will fight for his survival. So religions seem more prominent merely because you are becoming aware of your own attachments to religious belief systems throughout. Does that make any sense?

MYRNA: You’re saying by questioning it and becoming more aware it becomes more prominent.

KRIS: Only because you need to bring it to your awareness to disengage from it.

MARK: Also this extremist bit that we’re seeing now, does it not bring to our eyes how corny it all is? You know, how “out there” all this is? We’re seeing so many extremes from all the different corners and all different religions, not just one or two, but all of them and everybody is watching them all.

KRIS: For instance, you have some quarters of Islam that claim to be extremely accepting and yet the minute there is a tiny cartoon about the prophet Mohammed those same quarters that claim tolerance and acceptance are willing to squash anyone who has a dissenting or different view. So that presents what? Performative contradictions on a mass scale and that speaks of fundamentalism.

MYRNA: And that seems to be swamping us.

KRIS: Because it is time to become awakened to its incongruence and to seek out the balancing effect.

JOSHUA K.: Yeah but that’s also – in my case anyway – when I see fundamentalism out there, I examine it in myself as well. We’re not all free of that –

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: — fanaticism, attachment…that’s what fundamentalism is, it’s an attachment to a belief, to a behavior, to a country, to a holy land or whatever.

MARK: To an illness.

KRIS: As well. And that is why it is being brought up, because people need and desire to be free of those situations. And that is how they are manifested. So it is a kind of mass healing in a way.

MYRNA: That makes sense to me.

JOHN: In a way, we’re Triple ‘A’ ing it.

KRIS: Whether you want to or not. It is in your face.

MYRNA: It certainly is.

JOSHUA K.: Well let me ask you something: Somebody commits suicide – a Muslim, who believes he’s going to have 72 virgins, once he –

KRIS: But unfortunately, he cannot get a refund! (Group laughs) There might only be 71.

JOSHUA K.: But, when he actually dies, are they playing their rules, is he actually going to get the virgins?

KRIS: Only for a short time, until the reality sinks in that there are no virgins.

JOHN: (Cackling)

JOSHUA K.: But at first, when he dies, he really sees 72 virgins, right?

MARK: They don’t tell you that they’re 80-year-old virgins!

(Gales of laughter)

JOSHUA K.: So when he gets there, he gets his 72 virgins for a few minutes or whatever. Then slowly reality seeps in.

KRIS: Indeed and usually that reality is immense torrents of guilt and shame.

JOSHUA K.: Right, so that individual in his next incarnation, would try to correct that by coming to a more moderate or more –

KRIS: Such an individual might actually create a lifetime where he or she is the enemy this time.

JOSHUA K.: The enemy?

KRIS: The one he or she tried to blow up.

MARK: The victim and the aggressor.

KRIS: To understand the situation from the other shoes.

JOSHUA K.: You would think after all this, two world wars, there are millions, hundreds of millions of people inside through fanaticism and war.

KRIS: One of our first statements this evening, that a human individual is cosmically grand in his or her capacity to actually ignore, to deny, and to discount.

JOSHUA K.: So what’s the point? We go for trillions of years really not learning our lesson.

MARK: Is there a lesson to learn?

KRIS: And who says you are not learning?

MYRNA: I think we’re learning. I’m learning.

JOHN: I’m learning….I haven’t killed an infidel for months now.

(Laughter)

KRIS: And as we can all attest, no one has killed you either.

JOHN: Right! It’s workin’ good!

JOSHUA K.: Just to survive and not to be bombed and killed.

JOHN: When you were saying that, that just to survive is good, Abraham has a great thing about well-being. On this planet, at any given moment, the amount of well-being, joy, pleasure, fulfillment, massively outweighs any problems.

MYRNA: And we have a choice where to put our attention: on lack or well-being.

KRIS: Indeed and ten minutes of reflections on joy, happiness, wellness, fulfillment, can literally negate years of its opposite.

JOSHUA K.: That’s the most profound statement you’ve made tonight.

JOHN: That’s a nice one.

JOSHUA K.: If I do say so myself! No, that’s really profound.

KRIS: You need to understand that the present interprets the past and weaves the future. What you concentrate on in the present can literally negate years of negative patterning.

JOSHUA K.: Could you expand on that? Could you actually give an example of how somebody in the present could concentrate on something positive.

MYRNA: I could do that. I worked with Abraham before we discovered Kris. Abraham’s whole idea is where you focus is what you get. And it’s all a vibration – where is your vibration – because wherever your vibration is, you’re moving units of consciousness. He talked about it’s attracting, it’s about moving units of consciousness so ten minutes I sit down – I’ve gotten away from it, but I’m going to go do it again – ten minutes I sit down and I write “I appreciate…” “I am grateful for….” and I list all the things in my life that I love. And I find my day is much better when I do that. Much better. But I’ve gotten away from it.

MARK: Look at beautiful scenery. Sex. Beautiful things that bring about joyous moments.

MYRNA: And a high vibration.

JOHN: Yes, Kris has actually mentioned to us in the past, but a few minutes in the morning when you wake up, just literally thinking about joy. Now you may not necessarily feel the joy during that period of time…you may not, but you may…but just focusing on joy, feeling joy, remembering times when you felt joy, saying “What would give me joy?” However you want to focus on it.

MARK: What if….!

JOHN: That’s the deal.

KRIS: Again, a matter of perception. WHAT IF you could, for ten minutes, experience one moment after another, of joy? Uninterrupted, unadulterated joy, happiness and fulfillment. Most people would have a tendency to go: (Kris gasps here mockingly) “We can’t have that! We would be considered selfish! It is something we are not worthy of!”

JOSHUA K.: It’s very sad.

KRIS: You have all been conditioned this way. You have conditioned yourselves. But if you can consider the possibility: What if for ten minutes you dwell on nothing but happiness? Make yourselves DRUNK with happiness, if nothing but for ten minutes! Let go of all social taboos and restrictions –

JOSHUA K.: (Interrupting) How about a shot of whiskey, will that do?

KRIS: It would impair.

JOSHUA K.: What?

KRIS: It would impair. Alcoholic beverages actually depress the human system. Just joy, happiness for ten minutes. Consider it a challenge.

JOSHUA K.: Just in regard to a connection to joy, now that you mention it, sometimes when I go out into nature, listen to beautiful music and so on, I have a certain…there’s a touch of melancholy there. I sometimes feel myself asking myself if beauty or nature has a sort of a subtle sense of melancholy or sadness to it. I’m not sure if I’m expressing myself right, but often I find that, especially when I am in the desert, observing absolute silence and so on, there’s just a touch under the surface, slight melancholy to it. I find music as well, Baroque music and so on –

KRIS: And where do you think that melancholy comes from?

JOSHUA K.: That’s what I’m questioning. Is that in me, or is that something there that…

KRIS: It is in you.

JOSHUA K.: Okay, so Nature and those things have no….really…touch of melancholy –

KRIS: The melancholy simply comes from you, knowing that in a few moments you will return to your situation and you think that once you are back into your old situation, you will again feel a degree of powerlessness, but you CAN take the strength and the joy into any moment of your day and dwell upon that as the prime source of your feeling-tone.

MYRNA: [To Joshua] I sure get what you’re talking about. I can be out today driving in the country doing a studio tour. It’s just magnificent and there is sometimes just an opening in my heart to the music or the beauty of Nature. An opening, but I can also feel a sadness of not being that expansive. That’s where, for me, the sadness comes from. There’s such an expansiveness here and a realm of possibility that what can creep in is just as you said, a remembering of [how] I spend most of my life NOT like that.

JOSHUA K.: What I’m saying is actually different, I felt a different sadness, for example one of my favorite times of the day, the time of sunset, there’s a vastness, I can feel almost a vastness and at that moment there is almost always a touch of sadness to it, but when I’m in the desert there’s that vastness and silence but always a touch of sadness there. I’m questioning if it’s me or that certain aspect of beauty that has that quality of –

KRIS: There might be a certain pang or yearning for it to linger in love, and it can indeed infuse it into other areas of your day. At that very moment, infuse that joy you are feeling and superimpose it into other pictures of your day.

JOSHUA K.: But, I’m asking is that I’m not feeling so much joy as a touch of sadness, you know what I mean?

KRIS: We certainly do. We have had enough human existences to understand the premise and we are in return offering that you actually take those moments as you picture them in your mind and your heart and start stamping them onto past and future potential moments so that they are already there when you go there for it.

JOHN: Thank you. I like that, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:23.

KRIS: Remember that the present is the interpreter of the past and the weaver of the future.

MYRNA: Right. So I can stamp the past with beauty.

KRIS: Indeed. You can kick it good, as they say. Now with that we will leave you to your own lovely company and we thank you for your consideration.

(Session does not end here.)

The group talks about how they really caught onto the idea of concentrating on ten minutes of joy a day in order to negate years of negative thought and belief patterns.

JOHN: Kris said something very interesting [tonight]. He said “You need to un-entangle the knots that you’ve tied up with as much time and energy as it took you to tie them up in the first place.” But that seems to be superseded, because that looks like a quid pro quo, right? To have half this and half that, but it seems that we can get ahead [Joshua interrupts]

JOSHUA K.: This is what I was driving at when I asked him if there was one single bullet solution to bypass the endless layers that we have to…and I thought, well this is an example, so I’m glad that he mentioned it, this is [Interrupted by Kris coming back]

MARK: (As Kris returns) Oh, here we go. 9:25.

KRIS: Now, we did not miss that, but we wanted you to work for part of the answer as well and that is also very important. Too many times, people simply want answers, but even when they get the answers they do nothing with it and still remain in their situation. So by providing this bit of effort and energy from YOUR part, you gain far more from the realization. Does that make sense?

JOSHUA K.: Oh I agree with that. Totally.

KRIS: And yes, ten minutes of dwelling on the most joy you can conjure up and do create that magical solution you are looking for, because you are, after all, magical Beings. Not only magical beans, but magical.

(Laughter)

Joshua asks Kris if recording his own voice offering affirmations and playing it for an hour while asleep would help him get the message into his subconscious. Kris offers that it would be best to play it just before sleep, while in a hypnogogic state, because when fully asleep, a person does not hear. Joshua asks if the recording would work as well as the ten minutes a day of concentrating on joy. Kris humorously asks him if he would be able to bear his own voice for one hour, and if so, then try it for 15 minutes as a beginning experiment and see where it leads.

KRIS: And specifically, if you can, during that hypnogogic state before you fall asleep and if at all possible when you awaken, try to remain and maintain that state as well because it does open you up to positive and reinforcing suggestions, before the old matter of the day starts flooding your awareness and you lose that hold. Do you follow? It would prove very nice, and do not forget to smile. Make certain that when you record, that you do smile. To make it serious, then you would be seriously looking for joy!

(Laughter)

JOSHUA K.: A good suggestion. I like that.

KRIS: Any other questions?

JOHN: No, thanks for coming back.

KRIS: Indeed. It is always our pleasure and now we will leave you to your own joyous experiences, including your lovely eyes.

(Session ends at 9:29)

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