Who Are You? – Part 1

September 24, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 24, 2006

Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Jen, Miriam, Lisa, Tom, and Mark

(Session begins at 7:45 PM)

[This night marked the last day of Serge's hypnotherapy classes. He aced his final test and earned three certificates. Everyone offered congratulations both for his graduation and also a wonderful radio interview he and Kris participated in last week. We all sang a congratulations song to him to the tune of "Happy Birthday."]

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration and an additional heartfelt thank you to all of those who, in one way or another, provided assistance to enable Joseph to obtain his certification.

This evening we would like to speak on the subject of “Who are you?” And as you can easily imagine, whether your own minds or someone else’s will immediately confirm, “Well, yes, I am so-and-so, and I have done this and that, and I have experienced this, that, and the other thing.” Others, who may have a different bent, may say, “I am Essence, I am this, I am that thing.” Yet, we still ask, “But indeed, DO you know who you are? Who are you?”

And immediately your minds rush like wildfire to a great variety of events and incidences, circumstances, and all the various conditions of your life as a type of identifier that obviously, these things above mentioned are all proof that you are who you are. Or you might even take your wallet out, or your purse, and show your driver’s license or any other socially-enabling identification. Or you might point to the looking glass and say, “THIS is me. This is who and what I am.” And yet, we would still concur to our previous question, “Who are you?”

Because, from our perspective and even from your forgotten perspective, which would be not that different from ours, you are very different from all of the identifiers, you are very different from all of the tags, all of the labels, all of the flags, all of the various enumerators that you have utilized to form an identity, to form a presentation of who and what you are. And as you continue on your life journey, the true notion of who you are may indeed become so buried, so deeply buried, that you can only identify with your reactions to conditions, events, circumstances, etc.

And you further muddle self-identification with things like “This one caused me this, that one caused me to do this, the government causes me to act this way,” and so on and so forth. And as the condition evolves, it becomes more and more difficult to identify with yourself and easier and easier to leave that self behind and identify instead with strings of apparent cause and effect, seeing and believing yourselves to be the result of those events, conditions and circumstances that you claim have molded, shaped and created the person that you are.

And yet, we claim that that individual may indeed be false in the sense that this latter individual is manufactured for the purposes of hiding and protecting the one that is within or inside that shell that may at times get thicker and thicker to the point where not only that which is apparently outside can no longer reach that which is within: YOU and that which is within – meaning you – can no longer relate to who you are, but instead accept those temporal, manufactured identifications or masks.

And gradually that individual may acquire a sense of losing oneself, unable to feel their connection with life, no longer able to feel their own power and authority, thus experience powerlessness, perhaps even give up their innate ability to revel in their capacity to choose and advocate that capacity into what is referred to as depression as an alternative means of choice by default, thus living vicariously through what we often call the soap opera of life, just as in your own world there are people who indeed live vicariously through the soap operas weekday afternoons.

We only bring this up because it eventually becomes important to start asking that question to oneself. “Who am I? What have I become? Where is and who is my SELF? And is my SELF still available? Reachable? And can I ever again connect with that SELF that I am?” And in these cases, “SELF” would be in capital letters. SELF, in that respect, is something very different from all of the attachments that have become part of its temporal, temporary, artificial identifications. And life can then appear truly like a maze, often finding the dead-ends, feeling that sense of personal frustration.

But there are indeed many different ways to recover and re-discover who you are, and we must point out that who you are is not necessarily a finished product, like when you buy a box of teabags on the shelf. Self is an ever-changing, ever-expanding, growing process. Unlike all of the attachments and the psychological and emotional baubles that you have glued to your ideas about Self, to the point where you may no longer recognize who and what you are. And so very many people carry huge burdens with them their whole lives long, they can only identify then, with their burdens, their challenges and have forgotten that the burdens and the challenges are not who and what they are, they are something very different.

In a few moments, we will encourage you all to join us on a lovely inner journey to get a better sense of who that Self that you are, is. Before we venture on this journey, perhaps some of you may have questions about this.

MARK: Phone lines are open. Any questions?

BRIAN: Kris, this is Brian in Delaware. I think you’re actually talking to me, because I have felt a sense of overwhelm with all of the creations that I’ve created and in a way forgot who I am, if you could talk about that….because actually we create it ourselves.

KRIS: That is correct. Once the individual begins to over-identify with his or her creations over and above who and what he or she is, then a certain kind of identity crisis and transference takes place. Imagine if your grandmother baked you a tray of cookies or muffins. You start eating them and your grandmother begins to cry in pain, claiming that you bit her. You would find that quite disconcerting would you, to realize that your grandmother has over-identified with her baked goods!

(Group laughter)

You know that your grandmother is not a cookie or a muffin. She is the one that makes the baked goods, she is not baked goods, correct? Does that make sense?

(Yes)

BRIAN: Poor Nana!

KRIS: Now of course, the cookies are chocolate chip and the muffins are bran, as any good grandmother knows! But we believe you get the gist.

BRIAN: Actually I’ve even EFT’d my creations and find resistances to EFT-ing them.

KRIS: Most likely because you are not settling in on the proper set-up.

BRIAN: Right.

KRIS: It is not about your creations, it is about you. You, for instance, do not say in EFT set-up something like, “Even though I have a Brian, I am a pain in the neck!” (The rest of Kris’ words are lost in the group’s laughter) Correct?

BRIAN: (Laughing)

KRIS: It has to be about you first and foremost. Does that make sense?

BRIAN: Oh, absolutely, Kris. Absolutely.

KRIS: Are there other inquiries?

TOM: I have a question. Could you comment on different divisions, or maybe classify the different aspects of self into groups?

KRIS: We are not necessarily addressing aspects of Self, but merely those situations that the individual tags onto themselves. “I had a painful childhood, therefore it has made me who I am.” “I had a terrible marriage and divorce, therefore it has made me who I am.” “My government has screwed me, therefore I am who I am,” and so on and so forth. Does that clarify the issue?

TOM: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Indeed then. Then perhaps Philip can put the telephone back on mute and we can travel with you on this journey. Now then, we ask that you to sit very comfortably, preferably not sitting on the floor, but if that is all that is available, then make yourselves as comfortable as possible. (Kris pauses to give people time to situate themselves.)

In a few moments you will be able to close your eyes. For now they should be open, and as you sit there very comfortably, focus your gaze a few feet in front of you as if you are looking at a lovely scene and in a few moments you will be able to close your eyes, but for now, gaze at this lovely scene in a dreamy way.

And as you continue to listen to the sound of our voice you also concentrate on your breathing, allowing each and every exhalation to bring you deep relaxation. And in a few moments when you will close your eyes, you will recognize how soothing and relaxing you are in such a beautiful state. As you continue to allow yourself to relax deeply and comfortably with each exhalation, we will count to ten and on the count of ten, you will go into a deep, relaxed state, and perhaps even before we reach ten, perhaps at three, five, or seven, you will choose to close your eyes and go into a deep state of relaxation.

One, deeply relaxed…two…three…deeper still…four….five….six….deep relaxation…. seven… eight… very deep now…nine…ten…close your eyes and go deeper still into relaxation and allow all of the muscles that hold any tension to release that tension in whatever way possible that works for you. The muscles of your scalp, face, the back of the neck, the sides or the front and only those small muscle groups that allow you to keep your head straight can stay as they are.

The muscles of the back, those small muscle groups that enable your back to stay straight, they keep their position, but all other muscles can be relaxed. The chest, the abdomen, the shoulders and the forearms, even the muscles in your fingers, the buttocks, the thighs, the pelvis, the muscles under the thighs, the calves, the front of the legs, the muscles of your ankles, the heels, the arches of your foot, the top of your foot, right down to the tip of your toes.

And as each muscle group in the body relaxes, your own relaxation goes deeper still. Now imagine yourselves at the top of the stairs and we will count ten steps. And when you reach the bottom of the steps, you will be in a very safe place, a safe, soothing, relaxing place. Now with your hand on the rail, begin going down…One, deeper still….two…three…very deep now…four…five…six, deep and safe…seven….eight….deeper now….nine and ten. Deep relaxation, feeling very safe.

Imagine that you are now going on a journey. And on this journey, since you need to travel some distance, you have a large backpack and you begin your trek, your journey, and as you travel downhill, uphill, countryside and so on, you notice that after awhile your backpack is getting heavier and heavier. Perhaps you understand why or perhaps not. But you know your backpack is very important because you have packed it full of things and supplies for your journey. And after a little while longer, your backpack seems heavier still. Perhaps you are sweating with the effort and the strain of carrying this backpack that by now has gotten so heavy that you need to stop, take it off your shoulders and look into it to find out why it is so heavy.

You open it, look inside….only you know what you find there, but perhaps amongst the many things that you have put there, there might be things that are no longer necessary for you to carry. Perhaps you might even decide to take a few of those things out and leave them by the side of the road to lighten the backpack. After you have taken a few things out, put it back on your shoulders and continue the journey, down the valleys, up the hills, countryside, etc.

After awhile longer, you may decide the backpack is still somewhat heavier than you would like and you realize that earlier on, you removed some of the heavy objects and it lightened the load and that perhaps you can do this again. So take it off your shoulders. Look inside and see what else you might leave behind.

(Pause) Satisfied that the few other things you have removed will lighten the burden, lighten the backpack, put it back on your shoulders, feel its weight, look at the road ahead of you, down the hills, up the hills, countryside….continue on your journey. Decide if after awhile, you need to take other things out. If so, stop, take it off your shoulders, remove other things, whatever you decide needs to go. Leave it by the side of the road [and] put the backpack back on your shoulders.

Notice how much lighter it is, how much easier it is to travel even downhill, especially uphill, that there might even be a bounce in your step as you go countryside…..Now consider the weight of your backpack. Are there any other items that you think need to be unloaded, so that you can continue your journey, and if so, do so. Take it off your shoulders, open it, look or rummage inside, see what needs to be put on the side of the road. Are you satisfied that you have removed enough, or do you need to remove more? And if so, do so.

And when you are satisfied, put it back on your shoulders, notice how much lighter it is…..with so much more energy and strength at your disposal now, you can easily see, imagine, and understand that your journey will be easier. And allow yourself to go merrily on your journey as you begin to take a deep breath in and on the count of five you will fully awaken to the present moment.

One, take a deep breath…become aware of your body in this time and space…your hands, fingers, feet and toes….two, enjoy the feeling that sinks deep into your being….and three, breathe again deeply, begin to awaken now…four, enjoy the feeling of lightness, of wellness in every which way….and five, return, open your eyes and awaken fully now.

And remember life is a journey and what you carry with you can make it as light or as heavy as you choose. And if you wish, every night before you fall asleep, remember this little story of your journey. And take a break.

(Break begins at 8:27)

[ELLEN'S NOTE: I was very emotionally affected by this meditation and the items I found myself removing from my backpack, and came out of it in tears. My group - bless 'em! - came to the fore. Cathy and I slipped out the back door so I could air out my emotions and my thoughts, while Brian and Jen held the phone line. Cathy and I sat down on the back step. She injected just the right touch of humor: "What happened, Kwaaj?" she asked, "Did they take your vimana away?"

Quite a testament to Serge's new credentials as a hypnotherapist that I, who consider myself not a very good hypnosis subject, even in person on a one-to-one basis, could have been so strongly affected over the telephone!]

(Silence)

MARK: Everybody awake?

BRIAN: Barely.

SERGE: (After a long pause) Everyone’s so quiet.

BRIAN: Lots of stuff in the backpack! You know what? That was actually a form of EFT.

SERGE: How did you guys feel?

BRIAN: Like there was a lot of stuff built up over the years.

TOM: It was very relaxing.

MARK: That was hypnotherapy at work!

BRIAN: I didn’t know Kris had his degree! (Group laughter) What, is he piggy-backing off Serge?

MARK: (Jokingly) He’s gotten degrees from quadrants you’ve never heard of!

[ELLEN'S NOTE: Cathy and I returned at this point. "You all right, El?" Brian asked. I nodded, still a bit choked up, but muttered that I had removed symbols of my husband and children. Jen quietly said she took her parents out, and Cathy said that she'd kept removing bricks that she'd been carrying around from walls she had torn down years ago.]

SERGE: I get the gist that he created a story?

MARK: Yes. (Mark fills Serge in on the sequence of the meditative journey.)

SERGE: Does anybody feel lighter?

LISA: Yes. I got rid of my cigarettes!

SERGE: What did you guys take out of your backpacks?

BRIAN: A lot of ex-girlfriends.

SERGE: When we were in class, the class leader told us an interesting little story about two monks, an old one and a young one, traveled for a very long time and one day they came by the river and there was a young woman by the river who was in desperate need to cross, but the river was too deep for her. She asked the monks if either one could help her, so the older monk put her on his shoulders and they crossed the river and when they got to other side he dropped her off and they continued. And many hours later, the young monk comes up to the old monk and he says, “You know, we’re not supposed to touch women.” So the old monk says, “Well you see, I dropped her off miles ago, but I see you’re still carrying her.”

(Group laughter)

BRIAN: Point well taken!

TOM: Uh-huh.

JEN: Yeah, I also had a lot of people in my backpack. I didn’t realize they were so heavy.

BRIAN: The whole paradox is that we create it. In our life’s journey, we create all the events that happen to us and then we carry it in our backpack, not realizing we created them to begin with.

TOM: But they’re so heavy.

BRIAN: I kept thinking back to childhood – how easy it was.

SERGE: Was it a good experience?

BRIAN: I had a great childhood. Even after the divorce of my parents, I was always outdoors, in Nature, exploring.

SERGE: Was it a good experience, what Kris did with you?

LISA: It was a very, very good experience.

BRIAN: Oh yeah. Yeah, Serge the hypno was great. Incredible! Very visual.

TOM: Yeah, it makes me feel that it doesn’t matter what it is that you’re carrying, just lighten it up and start from there, you’ll feel better and just continue on.

LISA: It’s one of those things that I think is going to carry on in the next few weeks for me.

MARK: Kris is coming back.

(Kris returns at 8:35 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that your little inner journey was most pleasant and revealing and the revelation is a gift you give to yourself. And at any time feel free to utilize it in that deep relaxed state and allow the excesses to be left by the side of the road. You see, even though you do create the events and conditions and circumstances of your life, they are not you, nor is the backpack. The backpack you can consider the ego.

It identifies with those creations because it assesses them, but when there is insistence on your part that your creations are part of you – they are you, they are your identification – you are reluctant to part with them, thus the ego does what you ask it. It keeps them. Only you can unlock those secrets that you keep, and only you can release them by the side of the road. These things, these baubles, whether psychological or otherwise, are not you.

The you that you are in many respects may indeed create those conditions and circumstances, but it has nothing to do with them, because it is not them. You make that identification and you believe that it is part of your experience, but the experience of who you are is a completely different state. And by recognizing that you do this, you provide yourselves with a great key, the key that unlocks the baggage you stuff in your backpack.

Thus we do urge and encourage you to periodically take inventory of the contents of the backpack. Decide then what needs to go to lighten the journey. Otherwise, after awhile it will become so heavy you will not be able to go anywhere, stuck in the one place, wanting to go so many places, weighed down and unable to do so, and not understanding that you can either open the backpack and empty the contents, or even, in some ways, leave the backpack behind. Does that make any sense?

(Yes)

MARK: Yes. Big time!

KRIS: So avail yourself of this small key and examine the journey you are on, and what you wish to carry, and what may no longer be necessary for that journey. It is, after all, a matter of choice. During your relaxation you were not forced to remove anything from your backpack. You chose to take out certain items and then some more and in a simplistic fashion, it is as simple as that.

When you overly identify the things in your backpack, you lose further perspective of who and what you are, unwilling to part with the things, but the things are not who you are, nor what you are, and as soon as you can realize this and apply it, your own existence will be much easier to enjoy because you choose to do so. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Indeed, perhaps you can open the phone again. Now, does anyone have questions on that subject matter?

BRIAN: Yes, Kris, I noticed that in my private session you mentioned resistances and I noticed in going through the journey, by taking the stuff out of the backpack it actually took away a lot of the resistances that I felt. In other words, I was grinding to a halt under the weight of my own creations.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what would this teach you? What have you taught yourself this evening?

BRIAN: To relax and allow things to unfold and be aware of what it is I’m actually creating.

KRIS: And what else?

BRIAN: Appreciate myself more for being me.

KRIS: That is very good. And what else?

BRIAN: That I have a hell of a sense of humor and I love myself.

KRIS: And what else?

BRIAN: I am I.

KRIS: We would humbly add to that that all of you ARE WHO YOU ARE, and you may indeed create small and great things, wonderful or not so, but all in all, your creations are not you. You can practice a very gentle form of detachment in this way, whether it is your emotions, or events and circumstances, they are not you. They are merely being experienced by you, but not you and if you can let go of all the big pieces of coal and brick and stone in your bags, you can do even more. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Are there other questions and inquiries, even from Montreal?

MARK: Any questions Miriam?

(Silent pause. It is believed that Miriam may have gotten disconnected.)

KRIS: Perhaps everyone has fallen asleep.

MARK: I found it interesting during the meditation, or whatever you want to call it, that when we were going down the stairs, each step I took I got younger, until when I got to the bottom of the stairs I was a little boy with the pajamas and a teddy bear.

BRIAN: (Chuckling) That’s interesting, Mark. I saw myself as a kid growing up in Media, walking down the steps down to the livingroom as a child.

MARK: To the bigger self, the Self, Mark really is a child. I’m discovering this, THIS Self.

KRIS: The imagery may also represent that you began to put things in your backpack even at a very early age, an indicator that some of the burdens you or others have been carrying have been in your backpack collecting dust and mold for many years. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes. I noticed when you started us on the journey and gave us the backpack – or told us OF the backpack, made us aware of it – I grew up very quickly. I jumped from a four-year-old into a teenager, into a man in my twenties very quickly.

KRIS: Any other comments or observations?

TOM: I have a comment. It seems like we were able to just choose and take out whatever rather quickly but that process is probably a little bit more involved, looking at the issues and acceptance and really being ready to release the issues….is that correct?

KRIS: We would rather suggest not to do so. Your own unconscious or inner Self knows very well what can be gotten rid of, but to do so in the process you mentioned, you overly involve your conscious mind, the conscious mind being so closely allied with the ego, would begin to think, “I cannot get rid of this, and I cannot get rid of that, and I cannot part with this, absolutely not!” and you would end up putting everything back, then finding out (Kris’ words are lost in the laughter). Do you follow?

TOM: Yes, I would get around to it eventually.

LISA: I also noticed that since it was a backpack that it was something that we could easily take on and remove like it was not really connected to who I am.

KRIS: That is correct! Very correct! We had even suggested that you can even remove the entire backpack because that too is not who you are.

BRIAN: Can you throw it off a tall cliff?

KRIS: If you so like, but being ingenious individuals, you will find some way to get another backpack!

(Laughter)

You could even compare all of the things from the backpack that you took out as merely other stories that you have added to the script of your life that you can then remove because it is not your story. Do you understand?

(Yes)

JEN: I thought it was interesting. I thought I was just putting water and stuff like I would normally take on a hike with me, but then when I stopped to take some things out, I was taking out people! It was as though I wasn’t aware that I had already put things in the backpack, I was already carrying things. I thought I had to just see what I needed, but I was mistaken about that.

KRIS: Again, your unconscious, or that lovely inner Self, knows whatever it is that you have buried in it. Even though you may have forgotten, the people are themselves other stories that you have put into the knapsack or backpack, and these eventually weigh you down because they are not who you are, but you carry other people, other stories, and they eventually become heavy as well. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

MARK: So technically speaking, we as focus personalities don’t have to be aware, to know what we’ve taken out of the backpack…just to ALLOW.

KRIS: Indeed, otherwise, again you will begin, “I cannot take this out. Oh my, if I remove that, what will happen to me?” And so on and so on. And that is why these things are in there in the first place. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Now this is not to say that the conscious mind and the ego have to be punished for doing what you tell them to do. They are doing their job, but it is YOUR job to ascertain that the backpack does not have to become filled to capacity and then some. It is not after all, a Mary Poppins bag!

(Group laughter)

Periodically, you do need to do some housecleaning and such small journeys are excellent to do this. Now please take a break.

(Break begins at 8:52 PM)

MARK: I found this to be particularly interesting that it comes at this point in time because Serge and I are actually moving things around in our apartment. We’re switching two rooms, what used to be the office is now going to be the bedroom and vice versa and I’m realizing there’s a lot of stuff that we’ve been hanging onto that’s up here and in the basement that really needs to go, but stuff that we don’t necessarily like to get rid of! (Laughing) But you know this physical stuff is an outward expression of that internal stuff, the stuff in the backpack that has been weighing us down, and it’s cluttering and it’s collecting dust.

I also noticed…I’ve been having a lot of back pain lately and at the beginning of the meditation it really eased up, but then he gave me the stupid backpack! (Laughing) But at least I know what’s causing me the pain now, the damn backpack and the stuff in it!

BRIAN: Talk about symbolism.

MARK: Yeah, exactly. I’m carrying it all on my shoulders.

(Kris returns at 9:02 PM)

KRIS: Indeed. Now, we trust that everyone is back and comfortable and if you so like, we would enjoy taking you on another small inner journey. Sitting where you are, as comfortably as possible, allow yourselves to be relaxed. Look ahead of you, perhaps a foot or two or so, as if you are looking at that pleasant scene, but seeing it in a dreamy way, allowing your breath to begin relaxing you. And in a moment you know your eyes will close and you will enjoy it, going into that deep place where you are safe and ever so relaxed. Allow your breath to continue relaxing you and as before, allow your body to also be relaxed.

And we will count from one to ten, and perhaps at three, at five, seven, or ten, you will gladly close your eyes, being deeply relaxed. One …two …three …four ….five ….six ….seven ….eight ….nine ….ten. Very good. Keep your eyes closed and allow yourself to relax even deeper still, allowing the sound of our voice to soothe you. And in that soothing state of deep relaxation, you let all the muscles of your body that can be relaxed to be so, from the top of your scalp to the bottom of your feet, all pertinent muscle groups, simply let go.

Let go now. Now we will count from one to ten, and imagine that with each count, a beautiful beam of warm light, warms your scalp and goes down the body until by the count of ten, you are fully enveloped in this wonderful warm light.

One…your scalp, your head…two, your face and neck…three, down it goes, down your body, down deep…four….five….your chest, abdomen, pelvic area….six…your thighs…seven…eight, your legs, your feet….nine….and ten.

Allow this beautiful warm light to envelop you with a loving, genteel caress and allow it to gently lift you from anything and everything that burdens you, that weighs you down. All of these things gladly, you let go of, feeling only your true Self. (Pause and then very softly, almost a whisper) Very nice…that deep feeling of being unfettered, unbound from all burdens, separate from anything that is not Self….anything that is merely an image, a translation of Self, but not Self itself.

Allow your beautiful, lovely Self Being to breathe deeply of this warm light and feel the gentle nurturing and loving energy that is who and what you are. Recognize and embed that feeling of being who you are and know that as a Being, you have many choices available and the best choices for yourself is what you will create.

The best choices for yourself are what you will experience. And the best decisions for yourself are what you will make. And in that deep Self that you are, this feeling of peace, contentment, and fulfillment will never be eradicated, forgotten or lost or misplaced, but will always be there for you and with you, whether in the day, or in the night, in your sleep, in your dreams, in your work, in your meditations, in your walks, everywhere and anywhere in your human journey it will be there for you.

And from deep within this loving, safe, feeling place give yourself thanks for experiencing this state of grace that is you. And in a moment we will count to five at which time you will awaken, remembering and knowing this feeling very deeply in your body, anywhere and everywhere you are.

One, breathe deeply, bringing back with you this beautiful, safe and loving feeling…two, wiggle your fingers, your toes and your nose and lips…three, breathe again deeply, knowing deep in your heart that this feeling infuses your being…four, you are ready to awaken fully in this present moment…five, open your eyes, be fully aware of yourself, in every which way, lovingly.

And remember that at any time, you merely have to remember this to experience it again. Now, how are you at this moment?

MARK: Very comfortable. Very relaxed. How do you guys feel?

TOM: Very peaceful.

LISA: Peaceful.

BRIAN: Yes. Serene.

MARK: It’s so like that state of being in love. A very wonderful place.

KRIS: Now we will tell you a secret and we trust that by now you will have realized that in order to get in touch with this inner self, this elusive, higher Essence Self, is no further from you than your thoughts. How’s that for a secret? It only took a few moments and you did experience it, did you not?

(Yes)

No big mystery, no millions of dollars to pay for the secrets, because it is yours to begin with. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes)

MARK: All too much.

KRIS: Now these two techniques we have shared this evening, we believe Joseph and Philip will make available on CD. The only thing we strongly recommend is never listen to them whilst driving or operating any machinery. Absolutely. Other than that, use it before falling asleep, or during meditation and relaxation at any time during the day. Any comments or observations?

(Pause)

If not then, we will leave you to your lovely inner selves for you to enjoy that relationship and we thank you for allowing us to play an ever so small part in discovering who and what you are, and may your dreams continue (words lost) to you.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

Detailed Roll Call:

Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Brian (El-Don), Cathy (Segova) and Jen (Alma)
Montreal: Miriam
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar)
Arizona: Mark

Kris – Live on the Radio LIVE

September 21, 2006

Note: Transcript is missing…

Egg on Teflon

September 17, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 17, 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and John (Sohars)

[MARK'S NOTES: While awaiting Kris' arrival, John and Myrna discussed EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique), which they have both been utilizing on various issues and ailments. John described some variations on the method he had recently been experimenting with.

John also stated that he had two questions for Kris regarding EFT. One was: “Why doesn’t it always work?” Sometimes it only takes one session while other times it doesn’t seem to work at all.

The second question had to do with doing EFT as a group, as opposed to doing it on your own. He had read from Elias that if two or more people do EFT with the exact same intention and are completely aligned in their intention, then the energy is magnified and it becomes easier for each to allow themselves to have the benefits.]

(Kris enters at 7:49 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, Kris. Thank you.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration. And indeed, as you have pointed out, it does create not only a magnification of the common intent, but it creates a cascading effect. The alignment of the intent amplifies the energetic work that you are doing behind the scenes. Keep in mind that the physical expression of the modality, the tapping and the setting up, etc., is just that: the external manifestation.

However, energetically you are literally tapping, forgive the pun, but tapping and opening your own unconscious, bringing it to the forefront and basically re-wiring the energetic network. Thus, the programming that you had previously set up, the personal movie that you had set up that now has become an unconscious process, whose manifestation may be pain or other symptomology, is directly being renovated, obviated, and made to function in an advantageous manner.

And when there are several people involved in the very same goal-setting, then indeed you have momentum that is much stronger….and we need to rephrase that…..that is amplified. The individual can be just as strong in terms of intent. When there are more than two as well it is amplified and the energies cascade from one to the other. Does that make some sense?

JOHN: Lovely.

KRIS: So it can be a very powerful process, and there are sometimes reasons why certain issues seem to slide off like egg on Teflon.

MYRNA: (Giggling) Yes.

KRIS: And that is that though you have verbalized a specific intent, it is not the intent you want. That needs to be looked at more deeply, more carefully, because you could begin with an issue that you think is about abandonment, only to discover halfway through any process that the abandonment is the result of another cause of, but the result of something else. And the issue could actually be about a fear of being discounted, being told that you do not matter, which results in abandonment. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: So it is a matter of re-examining the basic premise of the set-up to discover that there can actually be a different issue in need of addressing.

MYRNA: Would it be possible that hypnosis could uncover that?

KRIS: It is quite likely. Do keep in mind that though your lovely EFT people might not consider EFT to be hypnosis, in actuality it is a form of hypnosis, utilizing other techniques and tools.

MYRNA: I feel that sometimes when I’ve finished that I’m almost in a trance. It might not necessarily remain, but at the moment, I think if I do an intensity check at the end, it’s almost a trance….like “I don’t even care. This is not an issue any more!” (Laughing)

KRIS: Indeed. Trance states, hypnotic states, are far more common than you can surmise.

MYRNA: So Kris, Serge is studying both EFT and hypnosis.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: How are they related? I mean why both?

KRIS: They are different tools.

MARK: The more, the merrier.

KRIS: If you contract to have renovations done to your house, you not only need the skilled tradesmen – say, cabinet maker, plumber, electrician, someone to drywall, someone to paint, but you need the contractor, and said contractor needs to have experiences in all of these modalities in one way or another. Otherwise, said contractor who does not know what drywall looks like, would not be able to tell if the drywaller is actually performing his or her duty. Consider then, that EFT, hypnosis, NLP, any form, ANY FORM of therapeutic modality, be it psychoanalysis, psychotherapy, psychiatry, ANY FORM, these are the various specialists in their fields, but the individual is the contractor.

Because whether the individual or say, the client, knows the intricacies of psychotherapy, psychoanalysis, or this or that, they know when it is not being utilized properly. There is that innate knowledge. Another way of looking at it then: your Joseph is in his OWN way, seeking to become contractor by having at his disposal various crafts. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Sure.

KRIS: And in each of your own way, you are not only being a craftsman or craftswoman, but your own contractors. And a talented contractor has a great variety of tools at his or her disposal. They are all in the tool belt.

MYRNA: It’s interesting, I’ve been on this journey since the age of 29, so that’s like over thirty years, started with psychotherapy, and did that for a long time, various forms of psychotherapy, and really grew and there are some issues that I could not resolve through that…and….introduction to you, Kris, and to the Elias material and to the Abraham material, I feel like I’m just growing in leaps and bounds. In the last month…..I’ve been talking to John about this on the way here: The last couple of months of this material has been so profound….just so profound, I mean so much coming together.

JOHN: Maybe you’re the thing that’s changed.

MYRNA: (Acknowledging) Well, I’m changed for sure. I’m fascinated by that egg on Teflon, and frustrated by it, because I know you’re right that it may not be the intention that I’m stating clearly enough.

KRIS: Indeed and many people, you will find, may discover that egg will not stick on Teflon, then will try to throw cheese on the Teflon, or sauce, or milk, or water, getting more and more frustrated that nothing sticks on the Teflon. From our perspective, it is not the ingredients that you throw on that need to be changed, but the pan itself.

JOHN: (Laughing)

KRIS: Get a pan that sticks! Not one that does not stick.

MYRNA: What the heck does that mean? I mean I get the analogy, but…I mean you’re absolutely right, when I think about all of the groups that I’ve attended over the years, myself as well as others…sort of moving from here, from the Jungian stuff to here and the NLP and then the EFT and….(Laughs)…this soup! What’s the pan here? What’s the pan……I’m the pan!

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I understand that…but get a new pan? (Laughing) Wait a minute!

KRIS: It need not be you. It need only be one that allows something to stick.

MYRNA: Well, more easily said than done. Just a second….just a second….in my own defense here and you weren’t criticizing… I understand that….that takes a long time to discover. And I’ve noticed of late…when we move into belief systems… that’s been huge, but you know, it’s very slow slogging, I’ve noticed.

JOHN: May I just interject, Myrna, please? You used the word “noticed.” I think we were talking in the car?

MYRNA: Yeah.

JOHN: I think NOTICING is what makes it stick.

MYRNA: Fair enough. I do too. But boy oh boy, look at all the work that had to be done until I could get to the point of noticing. But you’re right, John, it is noticing…Is that true, Kris?

KRIS: What do you think the underlying belief or beliefs concerning such issues are?

MYRNA: (Pause) What issues?…Sorry…

KRIS: (Repeating Myrna’s own belief statements) “It takes a long time to get through this,” “It has taken years to understand that,” and so on and so forth.

MYRNA: I think the frustration for me is that sometimes still the suffering I feel. It’s not….it’s…I guess the belief is I shouldn’t be suffering….although I would like to not suffer!

KRIS: Then what benefit, first of all, would you estimate are derived from your struggles and sufferings? What does it do for you?

MYRNA: A few things come to mind…..that’s a really good question….I have become….my heart is much more open. I have much more compassion for others. I’ve gotten to know myself a lot better. I actually, at this stage, feel more empowered than I’ve ever felt…

KRIS: Indeed, and it is excellent that you began utilizing the verbs in the past tense.

MYRNA: (Not understanding) What do you….Oh, I “became.”

KRIS: Because there may very well be different approaches to get you to the same destination, different paths [and] different roads to the same goal. You have chosen a specific road to get from point A to point B, but there may be other roads that are also called point A to point B. And this is not to say that the road you have chosen is in any way, shape or form, wrong.

On the contrary, you amassed a great deal of knowledge and information about yourself, about the human condition, and so on and so forth. You also cultivated a great many tools and modalities. However, up to now, have you given any due consideration to also get to point B from another point A? What would happen if you had taken another route, another road, to get from A to B that may have given you the same results, but perhaps without so many of the hassles.

MYRNA: I don’t know how to respond.

KRIS: That is fine. It does not necessitate an immediate answer or even an answer now. It is merely a question.

MYRNA: Well, you’ve alluded to that before with me.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Another route and at this point I can’t even imagine what that would look like. Well, one comes up: walking in nature. I mean, I’m just throwing that out, but…

JOHN: Can I just interject something?

MYRNA: Sure, always.

JOHN: If the belief is that you have to struggle and have pain to achieve these….actually the list of things you’ve accomplished is fabulous, right? Knowledge of Self, knowledge of the human condition, fabulous…but if the belief is “Oh, I’ve got to go through pain and suffering to get there,” well, that’s one way to get there, but let’s say that you go through an exciting adventure to get there.

MYRNA: Oh, you’ve got to be kidding, John!

JOHN: Or a wonderful love affair! Or a journey abroad, or….(pointedly) other ways to get there!

MYRNA: Okay, great, thanks. You know, that helps because nothing in the way I grew up so far in this lifetime ever, EVER, would suggest that would be a way to go in my life! (Laughs) Jewish! Heavy! Suffering! Never would I imagine that pleasure and joy could be a way to get there!

KRIS: We would have thought that the first few bites of gefilte fish would have been enough!

(Laughter)

MYRNA: (Humorously) Oh, I’m going to work with Joseph on this, Kris!

KRIS: Overall, this in no way invalidates any of the choices that you have made, and the human journey IS entirely about choice. Now, it is being presented to you that there are possibly different kinds of choices than the ones that you have pre-occupied yourself with. There are still choices but they could be a different category, perhaps even a different species of choices altogether that may or may not be slightly or extremely foreign to your world view, but they still exist and are accessible.

You are well-versed in much metaphysical literature, some of which you have found contradicts what you have learned, but you have made allowances for this. As such, you have already discovered a propensity of your own to make allowances. It might prove most beneficial to also make allowances for yourself, as opposed to one philosophy against another or one philosophy towards another. Perhaps certain choices are made or can be made allowances for that you have not considered before.

MYRNA: Can you tell me then….I mean that feels like an amazing journey to me.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: What might be the best way for me to explore….because as I’m sitting here, I feel blocked around understanding that, but even just hearing it means that will open up at some point, I understand. What might be the best way for me to proceed into a realm I don’t have any connection with right now….or no, sorry….that I’m not conscious of right now.

KRIS: We understand your position. You are very analytical. You process from that perspective and it has served you very well in certain areas, whilst in others it has proven about as useful as… (Humorously.) [I can actually hear the smile in Kris' voice.] You know the rest of the answer!

(Group chuckles)

MYRNA: (Jokingly) Toilet paper? (Chuckling) Oh, I’m sorry.

KRIS: Or as tits on a bull…..Why do you think that may be? Because this ties into your very first discussion: Why do some things work with EFT and others not? For you, though on someone else it may work in a snap. (Pause) Basically the approach may simply need a change of perspective.

MYRNA: What came to mind immediately when you asked that was….there is something I think I am refusing to let go of….because in some ways it must serve me.

KRIS: Indeed! There are benefits. They may not be visible to you yet, but they exist.

MYRNA: That just aggravates the hell out of me!

(Group laughter)

KRIS: Now, if you had a mechanical problem with the vehicle, what would be the best approach?

MYRNA: I would immediately take it to somebody who understands that vehicle to analyze what’s going on so that he could repair it.

KRIS: But he or she has to be mechanically inclined, has to literally be a mechanic.

MYRNA: Right.

KRIS: You cannot take your vehicle to the shrink and have the vehicle explained to the kind shrink about its infancy and all of these other situations. The two worlds are totally incongruent. Completely incompatible, and very often when an individual who is very analytically, intellectually inclined encounters an emotional situation, or a situation that is emotionally rooted, the tendency is to analyze it from the head, to literally set the broken vehicle onto the shrink. And that is incompatible. The energies cannot flow, if the approach to an emotional situation is from an entirely intellectual perspective. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: It does. Yes, of course it does. I’m wondering how I access the appropriate…

KRIS: And that is one of the issues. By noticing simply with a little more attention how you process emotional and non-emotional situations will give you a great deal of insight. For it is very easy to intellectualize an emotion-based conflict, challenge or situation and it seems to give certain small insights, but the tendency is to think that these small insights are the solution, but if the situation is emotionally-rooted you will need a compatible energy to deal with that challenge, from an emotional perspective.

Now on the other hand, if you break a small toe, you need first your intelligence, your intellect, because it is body mechanics. You again, do not necessarily go to the psychoanalyst and ask him, “Please bandage my broken toe.” He might start delving into your childhood.

MYRNA: (Chuckling) I get this, I guess what I don’t get, and I know everybody who’s going to be reading this is going to be benefiting from this, what I don’t get, and maybe an example might help, is….what’s the emotional vehicle to deal with the emotional problem?

KRIS: Site an example from your life where something very emotional happens. What is your reaction?

MYRNA: In a friendship that I’m experiencing now….I thought was a friendship and I get into feeling rejected and abandoned by this person and I try and intellectualize it and I still feel something will be said, and in spite of all this stuff I still get bothered deeply.

KRIS: So first of all, you are dealing with emotions of rejection but you are trying to patch it with intellectualizations.

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: How do you think the two are compatible?

MYRNA: Well, they’re obviously not.

KRIS: That is correct.

MYRNA: I don’t feel like I’ve got any other resource. I hear you that I do, but I don’t know what you’re talking about.

KRIS: How do those emotions make you feel?

MYRNA: Uh….scared. Isolated, scared. Sad. Depressed, despairing.

KRIS: These are all emotionally associated as well. There is of course always an intellectual process to actually recognize those emotions, but they are emotions, they are feelings. Now, how do those emotions or feelings cause your body to act?

MYRNA: Headaches….my eyesight goes….I had a whole bunch of symptoms that….heart rate, pressure increases.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Nauseousness.

KRIS: Varying forms of anxieties as a result, putting your body into distress as well. Now how would you deal with de-stressing the body?

MYRNA: Um…sometimes I go to sleep. Other times I take a bath. Other times I boil hot water for tea or I go for a walk to talk to the trees.

KRIS: Indeed. These are physical processes that you undertake to engage the body in a different situation. What do you do to quell the mind?

MYRNA: Nothing.

KRIS: So in other words you are still very much pre-occupied, even bothered, by all the mental conversations that are coursing through your awareness in rapport with the sad situation.

MYRNA: Yes. The chatter doesn’t stop.

KRIS: It might be possible to say that it rarely ever does. What kind of things could you do to quell the mind then?

MYRNA: The times that are most successful [are when] I’m in nature.

KRIS: So to you Nature is a communion and meditation with yourself.

MYRNA: Yes it is. And I haven’t been doing that a lot lately.

KRIS: There are other opportunities that you can develop for such things as even short meditations, which would allow you to not only quell the mind, but settle the body from the stresses you impose upon it as a result of your mind chatter.

MYRNA: Have you taken us through those meditations?

KRIS: We have given many kinds. Now, as to your more intense and immediate reactions towards your friend’s apparent rejection of you and removal of friendship, you know of course, that you cannot force your friend to be your friend, and that in most likelihood this individual will become an ex-friend. Of course there is also the chatter where you question what YOU may have done to precipitate this. What role did YOU play in this situation? Is that correct?

MYRNA: Not entirely. What I see is….no, what I actually do, is I imagine this woman on a particular path towards acquiring things in her life and I’ve chosen not to go there…..and I feel as if I don’t fit the journey that she’s on. I’m on a different path. And I love my path and I beat myself up. I often lose sight of how hard I’ve worked to be on this path and I challenge myself when people are going for material things, and …

KRIS: For you, the beaten path really IS the beaten path!

MYRNA: (Chuckling)

MARK: This sort of reminds me of a conversation we had yesterday [Speaking to John.] Change, a change of paths, fear of change and often you go in one direction, you’re friend is going in another. It’s not anything bad. It’s just that you’re on different paths.

MYRNA: I…I’ve done that so often in my life, I’ve made those choices, people are no longer in my life…many, many. I think I’m finally at a really core issue here, and that is finally I’m testing myself around am I prepared to really believe that the “love” path is the one for me? That’s where I’m at right now. I mean, I’m testing myself on this.

JOHN: And how would you pass that test?

KRIS: Perhaps a more appropriate question is why put that path to the test when there may be no test to be put to?

MYRNA: Well, I have no idea, then, why she’s here….I mean….Oh, that’s ridiculous! She’s here because I’ve still got a belief in me that says I still have to be successful financially. Never mind the joy of life, right? But it’s the stuff attached to money and success and my professional life and I feel like an absolute, abject failure at times, compared to her. And then I think, “This is absolutely ridiculous. Ridiculous!”

KRIS: But not invalid.

MYRNA: Not invalid.

KRIS: It cannot be invalid. Otherwise, aspects of your own Self or of anyone else are of no value, while other aspects have value. All the Self, the whole Self, has value regardless of which ever aspects are being presented. The point is that there are aspects of you that you have recognized as being very strong and powerful, whilst there are other aspects that you have also recognized as perhaps even being meek and frail, and because you have identified with the stronger aspects for so long, and so much, the more frail-looking aspects might even be considered unworthy.

MYRNA: Yes, that’s exactly so. Exactly so! A young friend said to me why am I so threatened and now I’ll take it into the aspects conversation.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Why does this powerful aspect that is showing up in this woman, my aspect is showing up there, why am I so threatened by my Self? Because I believe the only way to be successful in the world is to be that. There’s a part of me that is reveling in this vulnerability!

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I’ve never allowed her – me – before….That’s not true….but I’m living this place and I do feel threatened. I am not sure enough of this new me….that’s a good way to put it, I’m not sure yet of this new me.

KRIS: That is correct because it is new, it is change. “Will this aspect live up to whatever expectations I wish to slap upon it? Will she be able to cut the mustard?” Whilst in truth, you might also recognize that this so-called new, frail aspect has more strength than the so-called strong aspects because it tastes of a different quality altogether. And though frail in appearance, in energy it is strong. It is an aspect of you that is extremely compassionate towards the whole Self, whilst the strong aspects may have been imbued with artificial powers.

MYRNA: And lots of judgment.

KRIS: Judgment toward yourself.

MYRNA: Yes and the world.

KRIS: The world does not matter.

MYRNA: Thank you. Got it.

KRIS: Indeed. There is one small aspect still, and we will use the word “fidelity”, not in the sense of towards a husband or wife or anything of that matter, but to the new adventure that you have launched your ship on. Will the captain remain true to his crew and will the crew remain true to the captain?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: And that small issue of fidelity we know you can address very nicely.

MYRNA: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: We trust that this has been a small “A-ha!” for you. It has taken but a few minutes and you have worked HARD for that!

(Laughter)

And at the same time, you now know that you can be extremely genteel with yourself.

MYRNA: Yes, I do.

MARK: I’m glad you brought that up, Myrna, because that is something that a lot of people need to work through or have some issues with. We’ve all been taught or brought up with to know you’re not successful unless you’re wealthy, blah blah blah, and have all the toys, etc.

KRIS: That is correct. And there are many people who believe that, how should we put this?, “Damn it! I will LOVE myself even if I HATE myself for loving myself!” [Kris pounds the chair for emphasis] That kind of approach is doomed to failure from the get-go. You cannot force yourself to love yourself. There is such a thing as being compassionate with oneself, and it is often forgotten as so much nonsense. “One does not have to be compassionate with oneself! One can just TELL oneself what to do and be, and voila!” And that is illusion. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: I would say….what can I say about this at this stage of my life?….I have been on the path long enough now with that more vulnerable, frail self, and watched what has changed in my life long enough now to have a growing belief that this is the path that is right for me. And what I’ve witnessed, I’ve noticed, is the type of people that I have in my life now, sitting in this room for example, or with the Newworldview or an Ellen…Hi Ellen…[Hi Myrna!]…the type of people who are coming into my life now, I know enough about the law of attraction and units of consciousness that this seems to be what my heart desires most, that kind of community. So…the compassion to Self, for me, has had to take time to build evidence that this is the right path.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: It did not happen overnight. It’s been a number of years coming.

KRIS: We would dare even say that your daring ventures and premises will have a lifelong effect. Those who would jump from one ship to the next on the same day will very likely jump back again. Does that make any sense to you?

MYRNA: Not particularly…how can one jump from one to the next?

JOHN: One belief system, one life, one world view…

MYRNA: I just don’t see how one can do that in one day.

MARK: But if you are doing it in one day, then obviously you’re not giving a lot of thought…so therefore you’re going to be jumping around.

KRIS: It is not unlike the grieving widow who has lost a mate of 20 or 40 or 50 years, shed a few tears and then claim, “I am free now of all grief!”

MYRNA: I see. Okay, I get it.

KRIS: The few tears are merely an announcement for the torrents to come, and the more you shore up the dam, and pretend that all you needed were a few tears, you are letting yourself in for a very floody surprise.

MYRNA: It helps, this conversation, and I am very grateful, has helped me see that the years of movement and what I thought was really….what’s the expression….uh…into the depths…like Persephone going down into the depths, right?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I forget what that expression is….to sort the seeds…have been necessary.

KRIS: Indeed. Your journey is not and never was fraught for nothing. (Pause) Now, if you will allow a brief break?

MYRNA: Yes, thank you.

MARK: 8:35.

(Break begins at 8:35 PM.))

MARK: I have to say, Myrna, this is bringing up a lot of parallels with my life. I can say for instance, my five dark years, where I was doing a lot of drugs and making a lot of good money, but squandered it between the drugs and a partner who was just embezzling, just draining me. Friends who took advantage of me, and doing the negative scene, going to bars or raves and drugs and alcohol, and being in a very dark place and not liking myself at all, getting very depressed.

Then meeting Serge, getting five years of light, of glorious light and well-being, and going through the processes of the material and not only have those five dark years brought about a very quick understanding of the material, because in a way they did. They helped me [because] if I’d just picked up a Seth book as say, a quote unquote “normal kid,” I might not have been able to interpret the material or utilize the material.

MYRNA: Or as ready.

MARK: Exactly. As ready to do that and that has helped speed up my understanding of the material, but also bring it forward because I was guinea pig that Kris was utilizing. I was the catalyst. So I had these five years of darkness and five years of light and what I see in the next five years from here on is a new path from A to B.

SERGE: It’s so bright I have to get him sunglasses.

(Laughter)

MARK: No, but it’s a new path.

MYRNA: “Dark night of the soul”, that’s what I was looking for, that’s what those five years were, the dark night of the soul.

MARK: So I chose a path from the past to go from A to B and now I can go from my point A to a new point B through the material without having the darkness. But the whole change – as I changed, friends went different ways, except for one.

SERGE: He changed alongside you.

MARK: He changed too, but the ones who didn’t are still out there doing their thing, and that’s fine, I wish them well, but I’m very happy with who and what I am now.

But a lot of that, the abundance issues, the success issues were there…..what my family thought of me at any given time….what I thought other people were thinking or what their expectations were of me was a big one…. because that’s not always their expectations, and it really matters not, because it is your expectations that you use [to define] who you are.

MYRNA: Can you help me remember something? Kris has said that I have spent most of my life intellectualizing it…but if there is an emotional issue, you’ve got to use an emotional vehicle. He started asking me questions about how did I feel, what was my rejection, despair. What was the next…..how did he move from my words, rejection and despair, into my getting this? What’s the emotional vehicle that’s available to us?

JOHN: He asked you….first of all, how do the emotions make you feel….

MYRNA: Yeah…

JOHN: Then he said, how does that affect your physical body, then he said, what do you do to bring the body back into balance, and then he said what do you do to quell the mind, quiet the chatter…

MYRNA: Right….

JOHN: And then he suggested a brief meditation, similar to what he has offered [in the past] to quiet the mind….and actually, I just had another thought, which is, acknowledging and appreciating yourself.

MYRNA: As an emotional vehicle?

JOHN: Let’s say you’re having an internal dialog about…let’s say, “Oh, what an idiot I am….no, I’m not an idiot!….You shut up, no you shut up!” Right?

MYRNA: (Chuckling)

JOHN: Okay, so if, at a certain point you say, “Okay, time out,” and then you say, “My god….the level of creativity, the drama, the passion, the gloriousness of what I’m creating right here, right now is soooo fabulous,” and you step back, just like you were saying in the car, you step back and you say, “Never mind the issues…”

MYRNA: It’s appreciation. It’s appreciating.

MARK: (As Kris returns) Here we go.

(Kris returns at 8:40 PM)

KRIS: A small point to keep in mind is that all of these issues, they are not you. They may be about you, but they are not you. That is most fundamental to keep in mind. You are not this, that, or the other thing, you are none of these things.

MYRNA: They are reflecting some aspects, but you’re saying they are not the whole of me.

KRIS: That is correct. You are not the entire Self that is pre-occupied with this one issue but the very human tendency is to act as if that challenge of the moment is your entire existence.

MYRNA: Yes, all attention is paid –

KRIS: Indeed, that has devastating effects, because it automatically self-discounts the rest of the Self. Thus by recognizing, as you have said, taking a step back, even for a moment, and realizing through whatever means you have, Triple ‘A’ or otherwise, but realizing “yes these issues may be happening, but they are not what I am! I am completely different from those issues, whatever they may be. They do not represent who I am, nor what I am, they are one of the dramas, one of my soap operas, but they are not me.”

MYRNA: Difficult to do when, as Mark was describing, his dark night of the soul.

KRIS: Indeed, but in retrospect he can re-identify his movies, his performances, and change the entire impact that this may still have or carry into his present life.

MYRNA: Okay that’s something John and I were talking about tonight, different probabilities, like, I can go back and re-identify with that movie, that five years, for example, and choose in this moment….what am I choosing….am I re-writing that movie? What am I doing?

KRIS: Whatever you are doing, and it produces beneficial effects, keep doing it. EFT will work, hypnosis will work, NLP will work, as long as the individual has a resource of empowerment and understands that this issue or that issue is not what they are, nor what they are about. They are merely something they are participating in.

Their – your – individual reality is over and above anything you are participating in, but when you begin to identify overly with ailments, challenges, physical conditions, and this and that, and forget that there is a Self that you are, and begin to more identify with this symptom, with this situation, with that situation, then your power is effectively reduced.

MYRNA: I get so scared when that happens.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I lose my energy.

KRIS: It is like being your own vampire.

MYRNA: Absolutely.

KRIS: You might as well call it self-vampirism. Therefore do not eat garlic!

(Laughter)

MARK: The other thing, Myrna, that I catch myself doing lately, which is a good thing, is I find a great deal of love and appreciation for the dark years, for that aspect or that self that did the drama, that went through the performances, because I truly like… love where I am in my life now. I respect myself now, and that self helped get me here now and quite quickly. So I send a great deal of love back to that individual.

MYRNA: Mark, I remember reading this, something that Abraham wrote. He was talking about young delinquents, and…they are so immersed , you could think of those as your delinquent years, right?

MARK: Yep.

MYRNA: They are so immersed in “don’t wants” that they very quickly get wants. They move very quickly into “want” because they’ve immersed themselves in “don’t wants.”

KRIS: And, most likely, all of the adults in the adolescent’s life also tell them what they do not and cannot do. So by sheer power of rebellious energy, they will move into the “wants” very quickly. That is their challenge to the authority.

MYRNA: I like your idea of sending back….You remind me, Mark, that we wouldn’t be where we are without that. That’s so true. But the part that I don’t think I’ve been doing wrong is sending love back, sending love to her.

MARK: And especially….for me that’s the aspect of Self that really needs it the most. And if you remember the story where I went through the NLP, back then to get here, Kris took me through a timeline. Each step forward represents a year until you found the self that wasn’t using…that was content….talk to that self, then you take a step back to where you are, utilizing that. Now I am that future self, so now I am sending that information, that love and that appreciation back, with the wisdom.

MYRNA: Yeah, that’s another technique I haven’t used and I like it. I understand it. I’m going to use that now.

MARK: That is an aspect of Self that normally I would choose to deny or try to bury, to hide, and yet it’s a valid aspect of myself.

MYRNA: The one who needs the love.

MARK: Yes.

[At this point the group realizes that Kris has withdrawn. They reflect and re-iterate some the answers that Kris gave to their initial questions this evening. John mentions that EFT not only works well with the Triple 'A' method, but "Just Ask Why" is also a useful adjunct. Myrna suggests the four of them come up with a set-up phrase that will be appropriate to all of them as a group and then EFT together. They tentatively decide that abundance is something that each has his or her own individual issues concerning and spend the rest of the evening discussing how to set up a collective EFT exercise that will be beneficial to all.]

Shadow Work

September 16, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 16, 2006

[MARK’S NOTES: Very often when people argue, the reason for the argument has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the argument itself. More often than not, there are other underlying currents, underlying feelings and emotions and unresolved issues at play. By doing ‘Shadow Work’, one can discover what those issues are.

The night before this walk, Serge and I did argue. Fortunately we both went off into our corners and did our homework. Triple ‘A’ and ‘Ask Why’ proved to be very effective.

During the first leg of this walk, Serge and I talked openly about those issues and the discoveries surprised us both. I also realized that I was having a series of dreams with precognitive elements that foretold of the quarrel.

Later on, Kris popped in and he and I talked about those issues.]

(Session begins)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and less tense.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Are there any specific matters or issues that you feel warrant discussion?

MARK: No…no, I’m doing good. I’m in a good place, ESPECIALLY NOW. I do want to comment though: My dreams the last three nights have all been — I talked to Paul about this, too — have all been – not nightmares – but frustrating and quarrelsome… [we were] moving…there’s things broken in the house and things not getting fixed….Serge [was] fighting with my uncle, and I had to break it up forcibly….and I realize now what it was all about. After last night I realized something in the “house” needed fixing…it was what I was sensing through the quarrel.

KRIS: And what have you gathered from your dreams and your understanding of them?

MARK: Well, I gather that there’s some work to be done. Things that need attention, issues, but I find that we’re moving in that way…..you know, it can be frustrating while it’s happening, but it’s a situation that’s always temporary.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: You got to make a mess to clean a mess.

KRIS: And indeed, because we have spoken with you about this issue, what does the change in behavior and motivation imply? First of all, what does Triple ‘A’ imply?

MARK: Well, you have to acknowledge, you have to catch it….what does it imply? (Chuckling) None of it is point-blank obvious….

KRIS: But it has implications. The method will not fail, ever. We cannot stress that enough. It is fool-proof and failure-proof.

MARK: Well, the implication is that it’s going to bring things to the surface.

KRIS: And that implies?

MARK: Change…you got to deal with it.

KRIS: Indeed! Change implies movement in many respects up to and including specifically ENERGY. And change of any kind often instills varying degrees of insecurities, because individuals have a vested interest in things not changing, even if they are insidious with near-catastrophic results, such as, in the extreme spousal abuses.

And that is where the change is so difficult and many women would rather undergo the suffering than face the uncertainty of a future that they do not know, as one big major issue. And there are obviously others, but this is one big major issue. Change implies a certain degree of uncertainty which raises dissensions and insecurities.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: This is very fundamental to human nature.

MARK: I can see that too, in my job change for instance. I was just telling Joseph, you know, it was bringing out my own insecurities and I was acknowledging them…at least I was catching them, and working through them…but I was seeing them. I was seeing my own fears, whether I would blend in, whether I would do the job, whether I knew if I could do the job.

KRIS: Change therefore implies different kinds of transformations because one change signifies change in all of the elements. Moving one chess piece on the chess board alters the perspective on all other pieces. Whether one wished it or not, it is.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: (Emphatically) Plain and simple. One movement of a chess piece can also mean, “check” OR even “check mate.” So when one aspect of the personality is led to change, all other aspects of the personality ALSO change accordingly. In one way or another change is systemic, and everything re-organizes itself to the new paradigm.

And that is what the human personality structure is: it is a living, dynamic paradigm. It is ALIVE. And that is something most — not all — but most individuals are resistant to because it implies the unknown. “What will, and who will, I THEN be? Will I be the same, but most importantly, will others love me as I now want to see myself?” That is most significant! Look at your own situation. When you gradually tapered off your “candy”…

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: … That was also part of the equation: what will happen to your various friendships and acquaintances? Thus, as you reduced your usage more and more, more and more of your old friends seemed to withdraw back into the woodwork.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: That in itself can be unnerving, to say the least. Very often that is one of the main reasons why it is very difficult for those undergoing similar challenges to actually make that transition. Even when they fully recognize that the types of friends they have are actually most unhealthy, it is better to have unhealthy friendships than no friendships at all.

Very similarly too, abused women, better to have an abusive relationship than no relationship at all. Because the abused or the addicted has identified and owns their situation so deeply that the personality considers the quote unquote “ailment” or “challenge” to be a literal part of what it is. And you would not so willingly simply cut off an arm, would you?

MARK: No.

KRIS: And to the personality and the ego, it is the same. Whether it is healthy or unhealthy, it considers that it is a part of what it knows itself to be. So such ventures are often frightening and it will fight it. The human personality is a most complex, creative, and INGENIOUS creature with a veritable unlimited capacity to ignore what it wants to ignore. Only when there is sufficient momentum — equal desire — to change the behaviors and the patterns can sufficient actions then be undertaken to allow the desires to take place.

In the deep layers of the Self, even those small surface changes, small ripples on the surface of the pond send waves even to the deepest parts of the pond. Even if the waves are subtle, the deepest parts also respond. In the case of the Self, changes at this layer of the human personality are registered in all aspects of the Self. There is not one aspect of the Self unaffected by change. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Yes, it makes a great deal of sense, actually. Everything is relative to each other.

KRIS: Indeed. Especially when you consider that you are always more than the sum of all of your parts. Now Joseph has enough sense to realize that when he committed to this course, that he would undergo change. It is why we encouraged it.

MARK: Yes, even I understood that.

KRIS: We would also add that as much as the two of you can, to begin a small program, even if no more than ten to fifteen minutes, at least once a day, but if not, every other day, but at least once a day, ten to fifteen minutes of relaxation and meditation. Make certain all telephones are unplugged. That is important. It is in the depths of the silence of your Being that you actually are able to hear what Self is communicating. And in terms of your own back and body, it will prove most beneficial.

Developing a technique to manage your stress will only add benefits to your personality. A well-established meditative state of approximately ten to fifteen minutes in a deep relaxation mode can have the benefit of three to four hours of sleep, because you are generating deep brain waves. And it assists in bridging those deeper intuitive aspects of the personality towards the conscious, top-most part of the personality. It would definitely be to your advantage.

MARK: Yes. It’s definitely something I need to do.

KRIS: And Joseph can help you establish a good process.

MARK: My day consists of non-stop [activities] between travel, work, travel, come home and jump on the computer….it’s just…something’s got to –

KRIS: Do realize that these are actions that you choose.

MARK: Yes, I totally understand that.

KRIS: We know that with your insightfulness you will not give lip service to choice, but will actually implement acknowledgement of the choices that you make. And that is one of the major keys of realizations. That is what leads to what some people loosely refer to as SELF-realization. That all is a series of choices.

MARK: I understand that all very much. I have great enjoyment in being on the computer and on the internet, on Newworldview, working with the transcripts. They’re not always there, they’re not always exciting, sometimes nobody’s posting, and yet I sit there….waiting. (Chuckles) But I understand it. I get it, and I find I’m even changing that. It’s like a roller-coaster, everything is in cycles. You get bored with it for awhile and then you come back to it. When it brings you pleasure you stay there. But I do like the idea of finding that meditation time.

KRIS: Your pets should also be excluded.

MARK: (Chuckling) Yes.

KRIS: If they persist, be more persistent. They will eventually relinquish to the new habits.

MARK: Yes. A closed door always helps. (Pause) I had questions for you, but I can’t remember what they are.

KRIS: Perhaps you can find those papers that had questions regarding the newsletter and perhaps next week those can be addressed.

MARK: That’s the one good thing about my new schedule. It’s regular. It’s not being changed so drastically as my old one. I’ll be able to predict my hours. Have weekends off, weather permitting. I’m hoping we have some good Fall weather for some weekend walks.

KRIS: The point will be though, when those weekends are available, will you take advantage of them?

MARK: I like to think so!

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: That’s my goal.

KRIS: You do get what you concentrate upon. If you expect to take advantage of the opportunities when they present themselves, then you will act in accordance with your expectations in that way.

MARK: Hope that means I’m going to manifest really nice Fall weather!

KRIS: It might also be an interesting change for a walk even if there is light rain. Consider it as a totally new and different environment. We are certain that you will not melt!

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: We believe it only happens to those whose sisters had a house fall on them!

MARK: Yes, indeed. The mean old witches!

KRIS: Now then, should we end our discussion?

MARK: Okay, I guess so. Thank you.

(Session ends.)

Ancient Religions

September 10, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 10, 2006

Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip),
Delaware: Cathy (Segova), Jen (Alma) and Ellen (Kwaa’Ji)
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
New Jersey: Tom (Ramruva)
Oregon: Lisa (Lauromar)
New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)

(Session begins at 7:45 PM)

KRIS: Indeed, we trust you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. As the topic implies, we will share more information about ancient religions and religious belief systems as well as what it may mean to unite with the Divine. We have spoken briefly on this subject matter but to no great depth. Your present varieties of belief systems, whether it be Judeo-Christian, Buddhist, Tibetan, or any other are all, in one form or another, offshoots and remembrances of much older systems.

We spoke some time back about the challenges that faced various pockets of human beings, various groups of humans at the beginning of, and struggling with, and at the end of the last great Ice Age, ten to twelve thousand years ago. It is the contention, the supposition, of many scientific fields and endeavors and disciplines that humans did not truly gather into groups much prior to this event and only later developed centers that later became known as cities and so on.

And sciences cannot necessarily be faulted upon this because much of such types of physical or physically oriented sciences are based upon so-called evidence and if they cannot find specific evidence, then nothing beyond the evidence truly existed. However, that is one contention. Ours is that groups of humans had established many large centers and entire civilizations, some very advanced and sophisticated. Some more sophisticated even than your present western civilization, many of which experienced total devastation and elimination with the great Ice Age.

Some of them experiencing total disappearance, whether [they be] due to advancing glaciers or mountain faces, often also resulting from glaciers or the rising waters resulting from the melting of these large glaciers and being submerged under seawater. The rest of various groups of humans, who managed to survive for many generations during and after the ice age, had to survive and in order to do this may even have had to rely strictly upon your most basic of human instincts.

Finding shelter, food, progeny – and these very basic needs may have required all the simple and often devastated resources of these groups of humans. And if the elements themselves or wild and starving animals did not represent enough of a danger, marauding bands of other humans, some very aggressive, may have represented as much of a danger as any other danger during those times of hardships.

Those groups of humans that did manage to thrive and survive maintained many of their stories of the greatness of the past. Many of these groups of humans also had at least one or two individuals who were prone towards more intuitive qualities than other members of the groups. They would have easily become known as the shamans of the groups, the medicine people, and they would have not only entertained but ascertained that many of the old traditional stories be passed on to the next generation.

And due to isolation, harsh – extremely harsh – weather conditions, and the need to keep traditions alive, many of these stories eventually became transformed into the needs of the moment, altered to meet the demands of the moment. Thus, various interpretations began to change the traditional stories and myths handed down from one generation to the next and many of the shamans or shamanesses were often consulted about individual experiences with individual dreams and alterations of consciousness with members of their tribes or clans or groups.

And many of those individuals who approached shamans and shamanesses were experiencing recall or remembrances of their ancient cultures or tribes, societies or civilizations, as well as much of the trauma associated with many of these cultures when they were wiped out or destroyed by natural cataclysm.

The need for survival by individuals who themselves had survived the cataclysms were filled with trauma. And in the collective efforts to understand their situation the survivors sought new meaning out of existence, new meaning from their present life, especially when some may even have been overwhelmed, not only with trauma and the harshness of the environments they needed to survive within, but also the recurring memories of the people that had disappeared from their lives, of the life they may have directly or indirectly known due to the traumatic experiences.

And of course, over these vast periods of time and geographical distances, languages were also altered and changed and transformed and new languages taking birth. And in order to make some sense out of their present experiences plus the memories that kept surfacing, whether through their dreams or even through their waking moments, new myths began to take shape, new mythologies began to take birth. Ancient stories about great kings and rulers, ancient sages and saints began to take shape.

In order to re-associate those ancient memories with the new circumstances and conditions of the already traumatized remnants of the human race, many of these myths and ancient stories were encoded into the one phenomenon that would not be so easily transformed or devastated by natural cataclysm. Of course anything on the Earth would not be sufficient as any Earthly phenomenon would also likely to be altered, even drastically and traumatically by any cataclysm, be it earthquake, ice age, flood, fire, or any other natural disaster.

And in tapping into the ancient myths and stories from those cultures now most likely completely eradicated due to natural cataclysm, and in keeping with ancient mythologies and stories from prior to the last great Ice Age, people started to tap into the stories and myths of their great, even great-great ancestors and began to recognize that there indeed was a natural phenomenon that could be encoded in such a fashion as to provide countless future generations to remember and not forget.

And the only place that such associations could be made, recognizing that nothing on the Earth would suffice was to look to the stars and the various stellar constellations as it was obvious to the shamans and shamanesses and healers and sages of the various groups that the stellar phenomenon, the phenomenon of the stellar or celestial bodies, hardly changed at all and could be relied upon to encode and associate stories and mythologies with the various configurations of celestial bodies in such a fashion as to provide a literal library of myths and stories that would last for thousands of years, and quite possibly outlast anything on the Earth itself.

And with many passing generations then, the stories themselves might be gradually changed and transformed, but the manner in which they were preserved, and the item of preservation itself, would last countless human generations… COUNTLESS human generations! So, individuals turned to the stars to firmly anchor their stories and mythologies and even their remembrances of ancient Divine occurrences. And in that kind of a scenario, mythologies would be created in such a fashion that specific configurations of stars would carry forth the knowledge, the wisdom of the tribes and the societies way beyond countless human generations.

And though we do not have at this specific point in time, the languages within which the roots are to be found, the word roots are to be found, we can share with you that the ancient root words for “religion” including “consideration” and many related words, including “remembering” and “remembrance,” are related to the star-mapping capabilities tied into with the storytelling capabilities of the ancient psychological and spiritual map-makers of your ancestors, your very human ancestors.

The star-mapping and star mythologies and configurations have always captivated the human psyche and drawn the human adventure to imagine and fantasize about the origins of the world, the origins of your species, the origins of your divinities, and the stories of your beginnings, because deep within your psyches, individually and collectively, there are ancient imprints of those connections with the stories and the mythologies of your ancestors.

And when you look up at the firmament, when you look up into the velvety black sky, and see the thousands and millions upon millions of bright, shiny stars, whether you recognize the configuration of Orion’s Belt or the Big or the Small Dipper, or any other… this triggers an ancient echo deep within you, your unconscious, and deeper still the connection goes as if the very stars themselves are calling you, calling you to expand your awareness, calling you to remember who you are, to remember what you are, to remember your origins, both as humans and spirit in that sense of the word, echoing across the vast distances of space and time that your being itself has roots into the stars, whether through your ancestors or through the memories of your ancestors within your own self now.

And from such a base your various religious groups have all had their humble beginning from the stories and the mythologies encoded into the various stars. And again, when you look up at the stars allow your minds to open and allow them, your minds, to look towards the stars in a dreamy fashion so that perhaps you will hear a small echo of the eternal voices of the Self and that you will remember, even if one small bit more, of whom and what you are.

What is the time?

MARK: 8:17.

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break.

(Break begins at 8:17 PM.)

[The first few minutes of the break were lost while Mark changed batteries in the recorder. Tom brought up a question about what caused that ice age.]

MARK: According to Kris, there were ancient civilizations over 400 million years ago, that were on Earth, Mars, Venus and another planet that’s been destroyed, and there was an intergalactic war, so to speak, but there were detonations of nuclear-type bombs on Earth and these weapons of “mantra” destruction, as he called them, using mind power and sound, but maybe they could have caused this…

ELLA: Well, that was millions of years ago, but the last ice age wasn’t that long ago, right?

MARK: No, but he did talk tonight about some of the trauma that caused it, so to speak. That’s a little pre-history.

SERGE: I think he talked about trauma that was caused BY the ice age, not trauma that caused the ice age.

ELLA: But an ice age usually happens when glaciers are melting and traveling, right? There was some climate change, I would think.

SERGE: Not while they’re melting. The melting comes after. The glaciers grow and spread out and wipe out everything in their path.

ELLA: But I thought because of a rapid climate change they sort of shift from where they are.

SERGE: Yeah, they go south and freeze everything, because they’re miles high and they spread for thousands of miles.

MARK: For instance, the Great Lakes were carved out by a glacier.

SERGE: So what did [Kris] explain about…?

MARK: The stories based on the people, living in trauma from the ice age, telling stories to generations to remember some of the myths…some were facts…but turned into myth of the cities that used to exist, their technologies, sophistication, kings and whatever. Sort of tell the story.

ELLA: He also said that they noticed, they observed that the Earth is changing while the sky remains largely stable.

MARK: Yeah, so they used that to their advantage. If the Earth would change, they couldn’t use anything ON the Earth, so they used the stars to tell the story.

ELLA: So they tied a lot of their mythology to the stars, that’s what he was saying, so they relied on stars for generations to come to be their library of their mythology and carry through generations. I don’t know if it was just me, but the energy of his speech was so relaxing, I almost dropped off. It was very soothing.

[Some discussion ensues about the light pollution in and around cities that makes it hard to see all the stars at night and the need to go further and further outside of urban and suburban areas in order to see the millions of stars.]

TOM (Desire): So it sounds like it was a two-way process, encoding the information into the stars and then later on, reconnecting with that information and decoding it in the dream state.

(Kris returns at 8:25 PM)

KRIS: Now then, when these groups of survivors shared memories of their ancestors, especially their own already ancient myths of ancient travelers in what we have in the past called “Vimanas,” flying vehicles, knowing that in those ancestral stories some of these travelers visited other planets and star systems.

And knowing that these great civilizations, now mostly lost, were so much more advanced than the survivors were at that moment, there was born at that moment, the stories that advanced beings, most likely gods and goddesses inhabited the stars. Therefore an entirely different class of myth was created to accommodate those ancient memories.

And on top of that, you have an underlying ancient by any standard memories of wisdom barely spoken about, so lost it is, but that there may be small echoes of it in the ancient myths, that the stars themselves are reflections of the Self, that they are representations of the great Beings that the individual is and are.

The stories that were being woven then took on yet additional depth and character, because involved in the process of weaving these new mythologies there is an encoded system of knowledge that again speaks directly to the soul, to the psyche, and it says that “We are more than the selves as we are, we are more than the bodies that we are, we are more than the lives that we live.” And all of that knowledge is reflected in the vast theatre of the night sky, because the night sky and all of the stars and the celestial forms and bodies are other lives of yours as well.

And in those mythologies and in the very action of engaging the stars themselves, ancient wisdom, ancient knowledge, knowledge of Self can rise to the surface of your own conscious minds. When you look into the still waters of a lake or the mirror-like surface of any body of water in the night sky and you see the moon reflected on its surface, you may look at it, you may smile a smile of satisfaction and even of remembering and knowing though, that the reflection of it is not the Moon but merely a representation of the Moon.

In order to see the real thing, you would need to turn around, and instead of looking down, you would need to look up. And there the strength of its call from deep with your memories to bring up that ancient wisdom of Self, that ancient knowledge that you are the Self, and that within your Self or soul is contained not only the reflection of the Moon and the stars, but is actually the source of the reflection of the stars and Moon in the night sky, just as the shiny surface of the water may reflect the body of the Moon and the stars.

The sky itself that holds the Moon and the stars are themselves reflections of the Self that you are as the true source of those celestial forms. And with that ancient knowledge of Self, your ancestors, in dealing with their transformed environments and the need to reorganize themselves and their societies and re-invent what they had lost looked towards the reflection of their collective selves and utilized those reflections to encapsulate their ancient remembrances of Self, the memories of their ancient heroes.

And in many ways, though modern sciences and some philosophies interpret the astronomical and astrological sciences of your ancestors. We are not speaking much of modern astrology here, but the ancient systems, and laugh at them in a subtle way, considering they were filled with superstitions, thinking that the gods and the goddesses lived in the stars and the moons and the planets.

The joke is not on your ancestors, but on those who have forgotten their roots, that have forgotten that there is an entire archive of knowledge embedded within the ancient astronomies of a people you barely remember, but whose knowledge and wisdom is not by itself embedded in the stars, but it is so because the stars and their embedded wisdom and knowledge are reflections of that which is in YOU.

And when you do cast a careful glance at the stars and the Moon, and you wonder what draws you like the upstream draws a salmon, be assured that your own Self is recognizing its reflection within these ancient bright archives. And though it appears that we are presenting this in a poetic fashion, though it appears we are waxing poetic, rest assured that we are in no way, shape, or form, being sentimental and romantic here. We are seeking a way to awaken from within yourselves the knowledge you already possess. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

MARK: I’m reminded of the Mayans and the Incas building their cities based on geometry or the rising Moon and stars, creating roadways and their entire civilization is based upon the math as well as the stories of the stars, creating calendars, creating cycles as well as physical structures.

KRIS: Indeed, and though many of these ancient cultures utilize these stone observatories, such as Stonehenge and others, and though it might have been of tremendous assistance to know of the equinoxes, to know of the right time according to the shadows of the Moon and the Sun, to plant crops and to harvest them, etc., this is not all that these ancient observatories were about, but they were about keeping alive an ancient traditional knowledge, even if only in some symbolic form, because the symbolic form itself encapsulates deep knowledge.

And those ancient observatories, whether by the Incas, the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Babylonians, and many other cultures around the planet, though these observatories might have been forgotten by your present culture, they still fascinate you, not merely because you seek to understand how they were built, but because they address a presently unknown and forgotten wisdom that responds to the symbol. The symbol is like a bell that calls for dinner.

It tells you there is deep wisdom here, and that wisdom is not specifically and particularly encoded within the construction, though in many cases that is also part of the picture, but it tells you that this wisdom is encoded within your own ancient knowledge base that you carry with you from incarnation to incarnation as various focuses.

(Forcefully and deliberately) THAT IS WHAT RELIGIONS MEAN! What you presently know concerning religions is all added on after the fact. The true meaning is remembering. And now you are headed into an even wider awareness of remembering. And if much of your ancient world’s knowledge had not been destroyed, you would be approximately one thousand years ahead of yourselves! If all of the ancient manuscripts in their various forms that were saved, many even from pre-ice age, and not been destroyed, sometimes willfully, you would have an approximate number of 1.5 billion writings. Much of the knowledge of which would put you approximately one thousand years ahead of where you are now.

MARK: (Humorously) And I thought Martha Stewart had good cookbooks!

KRIS: You are slowly rediscovering this knowledge and that is why in many instances, those such as ourselves may respond to your individual and collective call to an awakening and a remembrance. Thus, if we are of any assistance, it is that we may help in your remembrance because we ourselves are a phenomenon not unlike the stars and the Moon that you see in the night sky. We ourselves are a reflection of that which is your own, and this does not diminish our own uniqueness and individuality. Now we suggest a small break to get your head out of the stars.

MARK: (Chuckling) 8:47.

(Break begins at 8:47 PM.)

MARK: Tom? I think I remember what caused that Ice Age from a previous discussion and I believe that that was the moon, or a piece of the second moon and I’m guessing at this, I could be wrong, but when a piece of the second moon slammed into what is now the Gulf of Mexico. [Serge interjects that this was an earlier time.] Okay, I’m wrong, that was a much longer time ago.

ELLA: He was talking about that time when the people in that area wanted to collectively obliterate themselves, right? He was describing a sort of mass event out of a choice for disengaging, right?

ELLEN: You mean the time of the creation of the Gulf of Mexico? Are you talking about that?

ELLA: Right, when they all decided that collectively, they wanted to go. It really struck me when Kris said that religion, the way we know it now, is still basically about remembering. It still ties us together with the concept that there is something else. I just somehow never thought of it this way and it was very poignant to me.

ELLEN: Remembrance of Essence.

MARK: So in other words religions, no matter when in history, whether four million years ago or yesterday, or today, religion is the act of remembering.

ELLA: It seemed important for some reason because I always wondered….organized religion just feels so unpleasant, but there is a reason, there is a purpose for that, why it’s there. I also thought that…you know in the Kabbalah they always say that the Torah is encoded knowledge of everything, and I don’t know if it is or isn’t but he is saying that….it’s not the Torah that is encoded knowledge, but each of US has encoded knowledge of everything, right? I think that’s what he’s trying to say, that we have to remember that encoded knowledge that exists in each of us already.

MARK: Yes. We already have it, and in order to send us that remembrance, we created the stars with all their information.

ELLA: But that part I didn’t quite get, why….I mean, I heard it, but I’m not quite sure if I heard correctly….he specifically says that looking at the stars triggers some remembrance of encoded information that somehow is encoded in stars?

MARK: Yes. It’s an ingenious trick that we pulled off to give ourselves, from Essence, to physical beings, triggers. It’s brilliant.

ELLEN: So the stars both reflect us as we reflect the stars.

MARK: That’s it. We create the stars to send us directions.

ELLA: Yes, that was interesting that he said that as the Moon’s reflection reflects the real Moon, then he was saying that the stars, the Moon, the whole sky reflects us, but not as a focus, as an Essence, right? Reflects the Source.

TOM (Desire): I have a comment. I read just recently in the paper that there is a mountain here in Hawaii on Maui, that the Hawaiians claim is a religious mountain and they’re protesting that they built an astronomy center up there to look at the stars, so that’s kind of interesting, tying religion into astronomy and the stars.

ELLA: That’s a little ironic, isn’t it?

TOM (Ramruva): This is Tom from New Jersey: Just concerning the discussion before about the stars, it seems as if we are using the stars as a recording device.

MARK: A recording device in playback mode.

ELLEN: It’s a symbol system.

ELLA: Could the light pollution sort of reflect our blocking of information?

MARK: I would have to say yes… that’s my guess.

TOM (Ramruva): If you look back at like say, ancient Greece for example, when they looked up at the stars and they saw all the different things….

ELLEN: That’s how the mythologies started.

TOM (Ramruva): Yeah, the mythologies, which, in a sense, maybe they were recording things as well, or remembering what was recorded.

ELLEN: The mythologies are codes themselves.

MARK: But isn’t it interesting that every civilization in every society that we know of at least, has used the stars for that purpose.

ELLA: It’s interesting that he was talking a lot about accessing your Heroic Dimension and all of these mythologies associated with stars, all of them are about heroic deeds and things. It ties directly into accessing this Heroic Dimension through the connection to yourself.

MARK: (As Kris returns) Okay, he’s back.

(8:56 PM session resumes.)

KRIS: Now we would very much like to send you on a small journey, a journey of the mind. An inner journey, an inner journey that you may find interesting indeed, because as much as the human psyche is forever tied into the stories within the stars, so is that very same human psyche also deeply tied into the stories of the Earth, and particularly in Nature itself, however that Nature is presented.

And the ancient shamans and shamanesses also understood this because for as much as the stars represented or symbolized one thing, Nature symbolized something else, but something closer to the human experience, since obviously ancient human beings as well as modern human beings depend entirely upon the processes and the phenomenon of Nature. You cannot escape it regardless of how highly technological your societies can be and can even become.

They are, you all are, deeply tied into and even indebted to Nature itself, for without that Nature, you would not be. Without the air and the water and the foods that Nature provides, you would not be. And Nature itself also represents another aspect of your Being. Yes indeed, the natural self, though you have clothed and civilized that natural self, sometimes to your advantages and sometimes to your disadvantages.

In the following exercise, we will be asking you to sit very comfortably, to relax, to rest your hands and arms, your hands in your lap. We will be asking you to breathe deeply, whereupon your muscles will relax. Your arms and legs and feet will relax and we will be counting from one to ten at which point, upon hearing the number ten, you will be in a very deep and relaxed state of mind, where we will then suggest that you look in front of you at a set of doors, very big, beautiful doors which you will open. And upon crossing the threshold of that door, you will leave behind all of your thoughts about yourselves as human beings, and become an animal of the jungle or the forest.

And now, we will ask you all to sit very comfortably, your back supported, your ears listening intently to the sound of our voice. Examine to see if you feel anything under your feet, such as the floor. Look to see if you feel where your hands are, what the cloth feels like upon your hands where they are resting.

Feel how good it is to relax your back muscles and take a very nice, deep breath, and as you exhale, your back muscles, the big muscles in the upper back, the small muscles towards and in the lower back are all relaxing and each time you exhale, your relaxation deepens ten times more.

And each time you relax in this manner, your concentration on the sound of our voice is enhanced. Allow the muscles in your arms, forearms, shoulders, even neck, hands, all let go of tension. Keep breathing deeply, each exhalation taking you ten times deeper. Let complete relaxation set into your body, the muscles of the thighs, the seat, the legs, the calves, the feet, even the toes, all relaxed.

Very deeply you are relaxing now and with each exhalation you are still relaxing ten times deeper, deeper than you have ever been relaxed in your life, and as you continue the relaxation, which will occur all on its own, your deep relaxation occurring all on its own, you concentrate upon the sound of our voice and the suggestions thereof and we will now count to ten.

One…two…three…four…five….six….seven….eight…nine….ten.

Deeply relaxed you are and fully aware and concentrated on our voice. And before you, you see a set of beautiful big doors. Examine them for one brief moment. See any details, any carvings, any designs, colors and shapes, handles or otherwise, and gently as you push open the doors, you know that on the other side is a large and beautiful forest or jungle and as you cross that threshold, you leave behind your human form and you become an animal of the forest, an animal of your choice.

And take awareness of the form of the animal you are. (Pause) And look about you, take stock of the environment you find yourself in….and as you observe that environment you are even more aware of the form or shape of your animal body…..and look about you. Engage the eyes, how does your environment look? Do you smell anything, and what do you smell? What do you hear? What do you sense underneath you, above you, behind you, beside you? What feelings and sensations do you experience?

Explore how you are related to your environment. What is your role in it? What kind of sensations do you experience? How does your animal form move about? And as you explore this area, in the far-off distance you hear the growing rumble of thunder and storm. You sense in the wind the rush of excitement in the air, telling there is a rainstorm coming. You hear it. You smell it. You sense it. You may even see lightning, hear the thunder, feel the raindrops. Do you seek shelter? What do you do?

Enjoy the experience….Now the rainstorm, the thunder and lightning pass away…what is it that you experience? …And slowly you head back towards the great doors and once again you cross the threshold, leaving behind your animal form to return to your human form. And we will count to five, and on the count of five you will fully awaken.

One…sense the feelings returning to your hands and legs, your nose, your ears, your face…two…take a deep breath, feeling the rush of air and refreshment, feeling relaxed but alive and free. Move your arms, legs….take another deep breath, knowing that in a moment you will awaken…Four…open your eyes now. Five…you are fully in your room, in your body, awake, refreshed, feeling very good now. Remember how good it felt in that state, and how good you feel now. And take a small break.

MARK: 9:16.

(Third break begins at 9:16 PM.)

[At break, I asked my two companions, Cathy and Jen, what animals they experienced. Cathy said she was a gibbon, which I found surprising because she had told me recently about another shamanic journey in which she experienced being a black panther. "How about you, Jen?" I asked. Jen responded that she was a deer.]

ELLA: Ellen, who you were?

ELLEN: Well, I thought I was going to be a lion, but I was a jaguar.

ELLA: Ah! That is so weird, because I kept morphing between the cheetah and then it was a lioness.

ELLEN: You were a lioness?

ELLA: Yeah, I usually have an image of a lioness when somebody asks me about an animal.

ELLEN: There were big cats and snakes all on the doors, carved into them.

ELLA: Yeah, I don’t know if it was like dividing, or it was the image, but I always saw the eagle also…

MARK: I saw an eagle, too, but I wasn’t an eagle. I was mainly a tiger.

ELLA: Ah! You were a tiger! Were we all cats, except the gibbon?

MARK: Jen was a deer.

LISA: I was a bunny.

ELLA: A bunny! That is so cute!

ELLEN: What about the Toms?

SERGE: (Interjecting) So how was the meditation?

ELLEN: It was good. We’re discussing our animal forms.

ELLA: It was very nice. So you guys were in some sort of savannah? Or where, were you in a jungle?

ELLEN: I experienced a jungle.

MARK: [Also] A jungle.

ELLEN: Very thick canopy overhead and I climbed a tree when the storm hit. I didn’t even get wet because the leaves were so thick.

TOM (Ramruva): This is Tom in New Jersey. I imagined I was like a panther or a cougar. So, another cat.

LISA: Another cat! Although I did see a cat, and I heard the eagle, while I was a bunny.

(Kris abruptly returns at 9:18 PM.)

KRIS: Now, we would like that in turn everyone would take a moment or so to describe the animal they were, what they did. Who would like to begin?

ELLEN: Cathy, tell us about your gibbon.

CATHY: I was a gibbon, yes. I stepped through the door and became a gibbon and immediately was up in trees and swinging around. And when the storm came, I made a shelter with palm fronds, put it over me and sat there and enjoyed the storm. I sensed when it was coming and sensed when it was leaving.

KRIS: Indeed and how do you situate this in your life? How do you fit this into your life?

CATHY: I don’t know, I’ve had experiences of turning into animals before but this is the first time I was ever a primate. I was always a cat or a bird of some sort, or a dolphin, but this was very interesting because it was a lot of fun. Just a lot of fun, brachiating through those trees!

KRIS: How do you think this figures into your life?

CATHY: I don’t know. (Giggling) Maybe I should swing from trees more!

(We all laugh)

MARK: Need more bananas in your diet?

KRIS: Though this meditation was rather short, this was a shamanic journey and the animal is symbolic of states of awareness or mind within your life. So it is possible that this primate and do keep in mind that primates do have their own social orders, but are also very fun-loving creatures. Who would like to go next?

ELLEN: Okay, Jen’s going to offer hers.

JEN: Okay, I was a deer and I was walking through the woods and there was a lot of bugs around me (Laughs) and when the storm came I got under a large shrub of some sort and just lay there. I was a female deer, a doe, but I was fully grown, but I remember just being….feeling very cautious and I was getting bleed-over from other….I was getting visions of people….I’m not sure what that was about. Different things were bleeding over into my vision as I was the deer.

KRIS: Indeed and whereabouts in your life are you perhaps even overly cautious?

JEN: Well, probably in my spiritual experimenting…really being too cautious in my spiritual thinking and my spiritual experimentation.

KRIS: Indeed. Very nice. Who would like to continue?

MARK: Ellen, you go.

ELLEN: The doors were very vivid for me when I first saw them. They were ornately carved and I could see animals in the doors and it looked like a lot of jungle cats and snakes. And when I opened the door I thought, “Oh, I’m going to be a lion,” but I looked down at my feet and they were spotted, so I knew I was a type of jaguar or leopard.

And the jungle scene was full of very thick grass and a thick canopy, and right away I climbed a tree and I sensed a great deal of strength and agility, I was very aware of a sinewy kind of strength and ease….just the ease of climbing…and really the joy of it…and when you said the storm was coming, I could smell the ozone and I just settled down on a branch on the tree and waited for it to pass. I was aware of the storm and the wind, but I didn’t really get wet because the canopy above me was so thick.

KRIS: And where do you figure that this representation fits into your life?

ELLEN: Just….what really stood out for me was the feeling of….the ease and agility and the strength of the animal and….I’ve been very aware lately of creaking in my joints and (Laughs) just not feeling that so much in my body….not feeling that…that ease and strength in my own body and I really enjoyed that in the animal. I would like to attain that more in my own body.

KRIS: Indeed! Who would like to continue?

ELLA: If I may, my experience was a little bit opposite of Ellen’s and I find that interesting. I saw the polished doors of light wood, but when I entered them, I had a feeling that I was going to be a cheetah, but when I looked at myself, I saw my body was not spotted and I found myself being a lioness, which is not uncommon for me, it’s not the first time I’ve perceived myself this way.

I was in an open area, a savannah somewhere by tall mountains, and the grass was tall, also by a waterhole, so the area was crowded with many different animals, many of them very large, like rhinoceros, elephants and giraffes. I knew that I was full and didn’t need to hunt. They also knew it but everyone kept at a healthy distance and I was roaring periodically, not to scare anyone, but to establish myself, and to give an indication that I’m here and I have a presence.

I also kept hearing the eagle overhead, seeing him and hearing his cry. I was very much aware of how my body moved when I was walking, the skin on top would move smoothly, gliding over my limbs and when you said that a storm was coming, I perceived the lioness give out a nervous kind of energy, not scared, but I stood there and flicked my tail from side to side and I was roaring at the wind and it was a freeing feeling, but I sensed some nervous energy. Then the storm went away and I stood right through it, and the sun came back and I was just about to go hunting, you pulled us back and I returned into my human body.

KRIS: Indeed and where do you situate this into your life?

ELLA: I was thinking about that and I could certainly relate to this desire of a presence among others, sort of being among others and having my own presence and individuality and maybe not fully acknowledging myself for it, still sort of hesitating. But having that sort of stubborn feeling in me that I’m not going to be afraid, but I still feel a lot of pulling back. I’m dancing back and forth.

KRIS: And do keep in mind that in lion prides, though the male has his harem, it is the females who often feed, nourish and nurture the pride. Who would like to go next?

MARK: Lisa, how about you?

LISA: Well, the doors were pretty ornate. They were huge dark mahogany. I crossed over…I actually started out in a field wherein I could see the forest so it was really bright and sunny and then I could walk into the forest. I was a little rabbit and just enjoying my surroundings and I saw a lion. We looked at each other, but it didn’t scare me even though I could have been dinner! (Laughs)

When the storm was coming I went into a hole, then decided I didn’t want to be there, so I got myself out and into another hole in a tree. As it was raining, I stuck my nose out to get it wet a little bit. When it finished raining, I jumped right into the wet soil and saw a puddle and just started drinking the water and just enjoying myself getting all muddy. Then it was time to go back.

KRIS: Indeed and how do you situate the rabbit into your life?

LISA: I don’t know…it was really, I guess more of an appreciation of my surroundings. I was just really enjoying being and not worrying about anything. Just being a rabbit.

KRIS: Very nice. Which of the two Toms would like to go first?

TOM (Desire): I’ll go first. Tom from Hawaii. I was a large animal, a water buffalo or a moose, I’m not sure which. While I walked in the forest I saw a gorilla and a lion and neither of them scared me. When the rain came it didn’t bother me either. I enjoyed the change and when it stopped I walked out into a field and the dampness was a nice feeling. In my life, I think that relates to a kind of a secure feeling that no outside forces can harm me and that no matter the situation is, I try to make the best of all situations.

KRIS: Indeed,and Ramruva, how would you describe your experience?

TOM (Ramruva): Well, when I first went out, I believe I was a panther or cougar, and I can remember experiencing my fangs and when I was walking about, there were like twigs on the floor of the forest. At one point I actually thought, “well maybe I should be a monkey,” so I realized I was trying to impose what I should be, because I was born in the year of the monkey according to the Chinese calendar, but then I went back and said to myself, “No, I started out as a cougar, so let me resume that.” Then I actually don’t remember you saying anything about a storm, but suddenly there was a light breeze and then there was a really big gust of wind and I got this great feeling of exhilaration.

KRIS: Indeed, very nice. And how do you situate your two animals and their respective qualities into your life?

TOM (Ramruva): I’m not really sure, but these days my two primary focuses are within my family and my career, and within my career in a sense I’m hunting just as a cougar needs to hunt and when I find something….when I get involved in a process where there’s a lot going on, it’s almost like this wind that grabs me, suddenly takes hold of me, and rather than being afraid of it, I just ride into it.

KRIS: Indeed and all that is left is Philip.

MARK: I think it’s important to note that I am very easily hypnotized, so in the very beginning, when you said “We WILL ask you to do this… ” I did it. (Chuckling) So the first time I opened those doors I was given a very quick image of a very beautiful endless sky and the doors closed again, because you had said, “we WILL.” The doors opened again and I was a tiger, very strong and beautiful, the environment was very lush and green, and I was very aware of my footsteps of the twigs and mud.

At one point I came to some water and I scooped up water to drink from my paw and then later when you actually brought us through the meditation, at first when those doors opened, I was an eagle, which I think was very significant, but I did slip back to being the tiger and what I got out of this was a very powerful, intelligent, beautiful being.

The eagle has the ability to soar, and the cat is very grounded, but I was very comfortable in my environment, I was very comfortable with whom and what I was.

When the storm came, I was unfettered by it. I actually made an intelligent decision to say, “Hmm, other creatures are probably taking shelter. This might be a good opportunity to go hunting while they’re cowering,” so it was very uplifting for me, very comforting.

KRIS: And…? Situating this in your life?

MARK: Well, the cat’s very curious, and went about his way, doing his thing, and that’s where I feel I am right now. I’m in a comfortable place, feeling comfortable in my environment.

KRIS: Indeed and though this is relatable to all of the large cats, the tiger especially is truly master of his domain.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Now, we do have a small suggestion to each of you: that you consider this guided shamanic journey as a dream, utilizing the same process we have each asked you about how to situate this into your life. We would ask each of you to examine it as if, and in the very same manner as a dream that you would then write out and analyze on your own, and then send it to Philip, preferably through email, that it may be added to the transcription. Is everyone in agreement with this?

(Yes)

MARK: Send it to Krischronicles@gmail.com.

KRIS: Whether you realize this or not, whether in a deep meditation or a dream, the symbology, the energy, is the same. This is simply a guided, waking dream, but its import and impact is the same as if you had a deep dream. And above and beyond all of this, we would ask you to consider a second item, though you have to do nothing about it but ponder it. And it is this: You have all heard many times over, how it is important to be in the present. You have even heard from ourselves and others how the present creates the past and the future.

If you wish, you may even add this to your writing, it is up to you, but consider this that we posit to you: a different word to understand the POWER that exists in the present experience, and that is that (speaking very deliberately and succinctly) the present interprets the past and weaves the future. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

If you understand how we use the word, “the present interprets the past,” particularly, how does that impact you?

MARK: The power is in the present.

TOM (Desire): Ancient knowledge.

KRIS: If the present interprets the past, how does that impact the past?

ELLA: You can change the past by changing the present?

TOM (Desire): Gives it new meaning?

KRIS: Indeed and particularly in relation to your shamanic journey and the animals that you were, and the environment you found yourself in, in relation to your life, even your past. How does the PRESENT interpret your past? And be careful! We are being extremely sly and tricky!

Though we have no sleeves to speak of, we have many tricks up them and this is one of them. In other words, if any you who hear this now, who hear it in the future, who read it in the future from now, understand the meaning of the word “the present interprets the past and weaves the future.” It should give you an IMMEDIATE empowerment!

Because if you used to think that your past was dragging you down, that you had a shitty past and so on and so forth, you can now interpret your past in a completely different way, and render that past into a source of empowerment, not a source of degradation and depression, but a source of empowerment and appreciation. And what happens to your future then, with this new cloth that you have just woven presently? The future then fits your present empowerment better than any seamstress can fit a suit on your back! The cloth of your truth will be a custom fit! Does that make sense to you?

MARK: I find it makes the present experiences neutral, until we assign them, or interpret them in the future as the past.

KRIS: Indeed. Even more so, if you catch yourself in a state that says “Woe is me! My past does this to me!” Then we say that is nothing but horse’s patootie! BECAUSE YOU INTERPRET YOUR PRESENT WITH THE PAST AND YOU SHOULD INTERPRET YOUR PAST WITH THE POWER OF THE PRESENT, BECAUSE THE PRESENT SHOULD INTERPRET YOUR PAST.

ELLEN: It’s funny, but Cathy was saying almost exactly these same words to me earlier tonight before the session started. Do you remember that, Cathy?

CATHY: (Smiling) Yep.

ELLEN: I haven’t been feeling too good all weekend and it was due to an….an old condition that I’ve been dealing wit, and I had a kind of an attack last night and I was still suffering the after-effects of it. And as we were talking about it, she was telling me certain Qi Gong techniques and other things to try, and I started telling her about old [medical] tests I’d had years ago, and the miserable stuff I’d gone through.

[Remembering it] was making me angry, and she was saying exactly the same things Kris was saying, that I was living in the past — stop living in the past! — and remember that the present was the important… (Laughing), I can’t remember the exact words, but it was the same thing, so I’m just…I’m just sitting here flabbergasted….and she’s RIGHT, and Kris is right…I mean it all…the power is RIGHT NOW, I don’t need to be dealing with what I dealt with in the past, I can change it now.

KRIS: Indeed. One has to wonder how big a pair of boots WE have to wear to kick you with!

(Laughter)

And at the same time, you would not have heard and understood the words had you not focused in the present. Remember, whatever your experiences of the past, you choose what you live in your present; so the present interprets the past. If in the present you still consider yourself a victim of some kind, you will find all of the references in the past that match that criteria and pile it on. Or you can choose something different. You can choose that only what you desire in your present life to have an influence on any level, because the present is what will interpret everything in your life. Does that make sense to you?

ELLA: Now it makes more sense to me.

KRIS: Indeed. Now one has to wonder, and you all have to wonder, why you have not looked at yourselves as the powerful creatures that you are, whether you are a lioness, a tiger, or a human being, you are all very powerful creatures. You are so powerful you can change the past by what you concentrate upon in the present! That is how you interpret the past, and from this present moment, you weave the cloth that makes your future.

If you concentrate upon depression and “Woe is me, I am a victim of events and circumstances,” we can guarantee you your future will be exactly the same. But if NOW you choose differently, then not only is your present experience one of empowerment, but you will create the same tomorrow. Though this small shamanic meditation may have appeared as something fun, which it was, it also was filled with symbols and empowerment directly related to how you use the present to interpret your past and your life. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

And indeed, all of your lovely lions and tigers, rabbits and gibbons and all do have a pleasant journey in dreams and in waking life, knowing that only YOU can decide how you will interpret your experience. And with that we leave you to ponder the deeper mysteries that are who you are.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:52 PM)

The Shamanic Journeys:

MARK: In my shamanic journey, I went through the doors twice. The doors were very, VERY tall and ornate. They would have been something that you would see in a very expensive home, probably as an entrance to a library, but they were the size of the ‘pearly gates’.

The first time the doors opened I got a glimpse into the cosmos and what a VAST and beautiful sight it was. Suddenly I was a tiger and I was aware of the ground beneath my feet. There was lush greenery around me and my footsteps were quiet despite the fact that I was stepping on twigs… and sometimes soft earth. My paws were of interest to me, because of their size. Surprisingly, they were gentle despite their strength.

When the doors opened the second time, I was a hawk or an eagle soaring above the Earth. I sensed my power and my excellent vision. Again, I was a creature of great strength. Then I remembered that I was the cat and once again took the form of the mighty tiger roaming the forest in stealth mode. I came to a river or pond and used my paw to scoop up some water to drink.

When the storm came it began to rain. In fact, I can hardly call it a storm at all. It simply begin to rain. I remember thinking to myself that the other creatures in the jungle/forest are probably seeking shelter and this may be a good time to hunt.

The feeling tones of this journey of mine were: comfort, strength, power, beauty, no fear, great intelligence, pride and gentleness.

It was at this point in time that Kris asked each and every one of that so ever important question: “How does this dream / meditation reflect upon you at this time? What significance is it to you NOW?

I realized last night that THAT question is one that we should be asking ourselves ALL THE TIME! After every dream that we remember, be it a day dream or a night dream we should ask ourselves how that particular dream is significant to us in the NOW. We should ask that very same question in response to the daily events and circumstances that, as Myrna likes to say, resonates below Middle ‘C’. In other words the events and circumstances that AFFECT us or bring up an emotional response.

I digress! Getting back on topic, this journey, these emotions and feeling tones that I experienced REFLECT how I am feeling about myself these days. I feel very confident. I have great inner strength, intelligence and pride. I am a very beautiful creature and am enjoying my creaturehood. I am a gentle being, a compassionate Being and a majestic Being. I can soar like the eagle/hawk, yet I am grounded like the cat. The eagle is very significant right now, because my vision is clear.

Also, due to my understandings of “the material”, storms don’t have the effect on me that they used to. They are a part of the nature of things, but I need not worry myself overly. I know that they will pass and the sun will once again warm my fur… flesh.

If I had taken this shamanic journey five years ago, or even two years ago, it would have been a VERY different scenario and the feeling tones would have probably been the opposite of what they are now. I have come a very long way in the last three to five years thanks to Kris, Serge and ‘The Material’ and this little fifteen to twenty minute shamanic journey helped me realize just how far I have come and just how strong I am.

In closing, Kris added one final comment and that was that the tiger is the master of his domain and that is how I feel about myself at this time in my life…. my domain being my life.

ELLEN: When Kris first revealed what we would be doing before he began guiding us through the meditation, my first thought was, “Well, of course I’ll be a lion,” because that’s my totem, but when he said we would open the door into a jungle or forest, my rational mind just wouldn’t let me put a lion there, because they are savannah or plains dwelling cats, so I became a jungle cat instead: a jaguar.

And yet, since pondering upon this choice, as Kris asked us to do, and viewing it as a dream to interpret, I now find that the jaguar was the perfect choice of that moment. I was not feeling well at the time of the session due to a chronic condition that had flared up the evening before. This “DIS-ease” was a direct result of accumulated stress from too many overwhelming worries and responsibilities. I was on overload, and I’d been very aware of the lion being representative of responsibility and leadership. Lions are very social, family-oriented animals that work hard for the welfare of their pride.

The jaguar, on the other hand, while also a powerful feline like the lion, is more solitary and I realize now that I experienced that creature to offer myself the opportunity to go deeper into my own being, to understand my need to take care of myself, to familiarize myself once again with who and what I am as a creature of solitary power and will, instead of always putting the needs and desires of others first. The jaguar strikes me as an animal that takes care of itself first and foremost.

My first impression was being in a body of such sinuous, sinewy strength and grace of movement, every part of me moving like water, a fluid muscularity. I was very aware of my paws and the luxuriant feel of the thick grass underneath. The ornately carved doors that I passed through had beautiful images of lions and other cats but also snakes, and as I walked through the grass, I looked to my right and a large python was gliding along beside me. We looked at one another but there was no threat. It was more like we recognized a sort of brotherhood.

I believe that had I wanted to, I could have just as easily chosen to be the snake and for the very same reasons: for the sinuous, sensual, and very elegant muscular grace the snake embodies, similar to the jaguar’s.

The first thing I did was climb a tree and almost immediately jumped down again, just to experience the cat’s ability to always land on its feet, likely another analogy that was relevant to my present concerns. I was aware at one point that there were people amid the trees on the periphery of a small clearing I walked through, but again, I felt no particular concern or threat, rather a certain respect and honoring of one another.

When Kris said that a storm was coming, I climbed the tree again and settled down on a broad branch very comfortably, largely unconcerned, and aware that the canopy of leaves overhead would make a fine shelter, which it did.

My first impression of the experience was simply the wondrous feeling of muscularity and fluid grace and power of being that animal, as well as being responsible for no one and nothing other than myself and the enjoyment of my own creaturehood. Kris’ follow-up dissertation made a great impact upon me, in that I realized I could choose this shamanic journey as a point of present power to change the way my body was responding to the stresses I had taken upon myself.

This doesn’t negate the lion power within me, and its own purposes as part of a pride and all that entails, which is a role I relish, but rather acknowledges the jaguar as an honorable alternative when I must realize there are times when I must take care of myself and my own needs. The attack of my symptomatic DIS-ease with the resulting weakness, pain and stiffness in my joints and muscles had, as Kris had pointed out, taken me back into a focus on past situations that was debilitating rather than strengthening, an imbalance of lion energies.

I remarked to Cathy after the session how much better I felt, and she pointed out that I looked better, my color had returned and I appeared more energetic, no longer drained and weakened. I will continue to employ the jaguar as a refreshing symbol of personal empowerment and renewal whenever I feel the need.

JENNIFER: I opened the brown carved door and I was in a wood behind my home and I was a deer. Right away I noticed that my eyes were more on the sides and I could see peripherally, but not as well directly in front of me. I felt that I must be quiet and heard no sound but felt the brush scrape along my hide as I walked and there were insects around. Also, it felt strange having hooves and having to locomote with four legs at first.

I went down into a ravine that has a stream and I took a drink of water and felt I needed to go deeper into the wood. I became aware of my teeth and how large and strong they were, also at one point they were exposed to me so I could see them clearly. I ate some moss. There was also an enhanced sense of smell, at first I could still smell the food we had at our meal and it nauseated me, but as I went further in then I noticed a cool smell and the rain coming. When the storm came I wasn’t afraid, but just got under a shrub like I always do.

At the same time I was having bleed through from some other time. In the corner of my vision there was a man and woman talking in an animated fashion. He was wearing a fedora and they both had dark hair. I couldn’t really tell what they were doing, but I looked away trying to stay in the focus of my deer.

Also at another point I completely lost consciousness, only realizing it when I abruptly returned to my body. It was only for a moment.

I’m not sure what this means. Kris asked me what I’m cautious about. This is interesting because many times I don’t reveal my experiences because I fear that someone won’t believe me or that they will judge me. Now I understand that is coming from me, I still have issues about accepting the depth that my spirituality will play in this and future lives.

There is a kind of internal struggle for me to be successful in the world of regular folk as I call it and my commitment to the personal spiritual development that I believe will lead to great advancement in the human condition. I have used many spiritual techniques in my work and when I do the results are quite amazing, but I need to spend more time in that work, believing in myself deeply and completely.

There are other artistic aspects of myself that I no longer take any time for at all, writing prose and poetry and music have been life long pursuits for me. So these are all things I need to find a way to bring back into my everyday to fully experience all that this existence has to offer.

CATHY: The doors were black lacquer with metallic designs that looked like some sort of calligraphy, but not any sort that I’ve seen before. I opened them and stepped into a jungle as a gibbon! (earlier, when Kris was telling us that we would be an animal, I sensed that I would be a cat–probably a panther, since I had had that experience during a past life regression class a number of years ago when I was in a very ancient place and was a woman shaman who could put part of her consciousness into any animal, but she used the panther to patrol the perimeter of her tribe’s area to see through the panther’s eyes what was going on. The panther was also a sort of security guard that could scare off any intruders.).

When I became the gibbon, I had no sense of being my regular human self, but was totally in the mindset of the gibbon. The senses that the gibbon used were as much “inner senses” as the “external” ones; e.g.: I could see the jungle with my eyes as I swung through the trees, but I could also “see” out of range of my physical eyes, a full 360 degrees, and had a very real sense of being connected with all of the environment.

All the animals were in constant communication with one another— a sort of animal telepathy, for lack of a better term. When Kris said the storm was coming, I climbed higher in the tree, tore off a large frond, and built a very efficient canopy as a cover from the rain and sat beneath it enjoying the thunder, lightening and rain until it stopped and the sun once again shone through the trees. It was actually very exhilarating.

In analyzing this experience as a dream (as per Kris’s instructions), I realized that in this phase of my life I do have some of the gibbon’s traits of playfulness and connectedness with Nature, and now will explore that connectedness (as a human being) on a much deeper level. It also brought back memories of when I lived in Southeast Asia many years ago and was in contact with gibbons in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam.

One was brought into the hospital/refugee camp where I worked, by a Montagnard (the indigenous tribal people), because he had found it injured from an attack at a nearby village. The gibbon lived with us at the compound, and was absolutely adorable and full of fun! His name was Lou, and to this day, I still remember him with great fondness.

My time in Viet Nam and other parts of SE Asia was transformational, to say the least. I turned 22 there and before I returned to the West, I had experienced a major shift in beliefs (political, religious, cultural, etc). Upon my return Stateside, I was faced with old friends and family wondering how I could have changed so much, doing a 180-degree turn from what was considered to be “normal” by the old standards. It was a very interesting time in my life and in fact, set the standard for the continuation of transformation. Several years later, I “happened” upon the Seth Material, and as the saying goes: it’s been one helluva wild tea-cup ride since.

ELLA: As was suggested by Kris, I saw in front of me a set of doors. They were made from a polished light-colored wood, which for some reason reminded me of Africa. Once I opened these doors I knew I would become some large feline. I thought I’d be a cheetah, but as I looked down on myself I saw a lioness. That was familiar feeling, as I have connected to lioness before.

I walked outside and found myself in tall grass of savanna at the foothill of a large mountain. Gnarled trees grew few and far between at some distance. I saw lots of different animals grazing and drinking nearby. My belly was full, but I needed to drink, and that is where I was heading. As I was walking unhurriedly toward the waterhole I saw giraffes, and rhinoceros by the trees. I also saw a large eagle flying high, and I heard his cries. I felt my skin move over the supple body. Once in a while I gave off a roar, not to scare other animals away so much, but to announce my presence.

All animals kept themselves at a healthy distance. I felt powerful and sated. I also kept paying attention to the eagle above, as if I wanted to transform into eagle, but remained lioness. Then a herd of elephants came to the waterhole and I became nervous. I roared, but I felt unsure of myself, and flickered my tale from side to side.

At that moment Kris said that the storm was coming. I felt powerful gusts of wind and saw dark clouds, heavy with rain. From the corner of my eye I saw other animals take shelter. Part of me wanted to run for cover, but another, stubborn part of me met the challenge head on. I stood alone in the storm, roaring at the wind and thunder, being pelted by heavy rain, and I felt so alive and free and brave!

The storm passed, the sun came out again, and I felt hungry. I was about to go hunting when Kris called us home. I went back through the doors and transformed into myself.

When I think of this experience I concentrate on the nervous tension I felt when the elephants arrived. Prior to that I felt so powerful, but as elephants appeared somehow I felt misplaced. The illusion that I am invincible was shattered. There were others that had bigger presence and I felt embarrassed at feeling less powerful.

Applying this imagery to my life I’d say that I identify with feeling powerful and powerless a lot. I know I have lots of inner resolve when I deal with the storms in my life. I’ve observed myself on numerous occasions to do just that: roar in the face of the storm and not give up. Yet in day-to-day life I often feel misplaced, less powerful and not sure of myself. I speak freely, but then often reflect back and cringe thinking that others might have thought I spoke out of line, or too much, or what not, all the while knowing that it has nothing to do with others, and everything to do with me. I could almost hear Kris saying in my head: “AAA, my friend”.

I also think that eagle imagery is my yearning for freedom of spirit, that wisdom which elevates me and reconnects me with my Self. I love to see an eagle soaring in the sky. It always makes me feel good. I’m not sure if the landscape has the significance, it being an open space with the mountain in the background, and lots of blue sky. It felt very liberating, non-constricting and nurturing somehow.

TOM (DESIRE): I imagined myself as a large 4 legged animal like a water buffalo or a moose. I enjoyed the rain and walked around quite happy to just be the animal that I was. I happened by a lion and walked by without fear, though I recall thinking that the lion could claw me if it so desired. But it didn’t matter. Not a care in the world except for being myself.

I think being a large animal is a reflection of my feeling of satisfaction with life, in a way. Not worrying about the little things in life and focusing on what really matters. Realizing that I’m responsible for my own mood, and events in my life should not influence that but reflect it. The largeness of the animal also relates to my essence source – Very Big!

All in all, my interpretation of the meditation seemed to emphasize my qualities rather than my faults, and that keeps me growing in awareness as I weave my future.

The statement Kris made about our interpretation of the past weaves our future (from this now – from this present) reminds me of an exercise I did years ago. This may be a good place to describe it – as it worked wonders for me.

I had worked for a company for 2 years then quit. Over those two years there were events at work that I considered successes and there were those that I considered failures. So I wasn’t feeling real good about myself as I sat at home calling other perspective employers.

I then thought about Seth and his comment that the mind is a great organizer and it will remember events that support the belief that is in power. So I did this exercise where I purposely tried to remember every event as a amazing success (At that time I could have described myself as employee of the year with this manipulated interpretation!). The idea was this would support the belief that I was excellent at what I did at work, and I could therefore project a future that will be in line with my remembrance.

Well, my first year (and following years for that matter) at my new job went extremely well. I was amazed at how much everybody has respected me and my work since then. I’m glad Kris reminded my of this technique as I haven’t practiced it since then.

TOM (RAMRUVA): I saw a pair of doors. Probably wooden doors painted white. A woman opened the door for me and held it open while saying something to me. I walked through. I remember the sensation and image of mouth full of fangs. I figured I was a puma as I started to walk through forest. There was much growth underfoot, also many fallen leaves and branches. Perhaps it was autumn. There were many trees.

It was late in the day, perhaps afternoon. I did not notice any other being about. Then I became a monkey and jumped to a tree. This was a conscious decision, based on the thought that since I was born year of the money (Chinese zodiac) I should be a monkey. But then I decided that was wrong and that I should form the puma shape again since it had come unbidden. Suddenly there was slight breeze, then an enormous guest of wind followed by a full blown storm. I felt no fear, rather immense joy in the raw power of nature.

Analysis: The two animals represent my two top priorities in life these days: family, career. I consider monkeys social animals, hence the familial association. The choice to be a monkey was conscious, just as I keep reminding myself to stay involved with my family. However, just as the puma was so naturally for, so too is my focus on my career. Just like the forest, my career in real estate is a jungle, but one to explore with great glee, especially when the storm comes.

Perhaps the storm is symbolic of a deal. Just like the puma, I must hunt as a Realtor to seek out those wishing to buy or sell. These two animals are so different because there is a disjunct between my familial life and my career. In a private session, Kris admonished me that there is no need to create camps in my life. I didn’t think I did. But now I believe I have done what everyone else does, which is separate my family life from my work life.

LISA: The symbols and the allegory:

The doors were very big. Mahogany with carvings. I touched the ridges, admiring the craftsmanship, and came across a plain doorknob. I opened the door, and the other side revealed a bright, sunny field with a forest up ahead. I had a notion of being a bird, and was surprised to find that I chose to be a little white rabbit.

I ventured into the sunshine and hopped onto the field while chewing on something green and leafy. I made my way to the forest. It had a tall, light canopy and the sunshine was filtering through. I could feel the earth and fallen leaves and smell the forest as I moved about.

From above me I could hear an eagle call, and as I turned to look, I saw instead a lion skirting the edge of the forest. He stops and glances my way for a moment and there is a communication of mutual acknowledgement between us and he resumes his course.

The wind picked up. I could feel it on my skin as it blew across my fur, and I could smell the rain coming. There was a flash of lightning. A storm was approaching. I initially did not feel the need to seek shelter but I ended up in one. My first option was a hole in the ground. It was a bit confining so I quickly got out. I scanned the trees around me and spotted one with a hollowed out trunk. It started to rain very hard as I got in. I could hear the drops hit the leaves and the ground and stuck my nose out for a moment to get it wet. It was a very short rain and as soon as the skies cleared, I hopped out of my hole and into some mud. I came across a puddle and took a drink of some fresh rainwater.

I heard the call that it was time to go. As I stood by the doorway, I hesitated to cross. I had enjoyed the adventure. So I took one more mental snapshot of the forest, the field and the skies, then crossed, leaving the door open.

Some thoughts on the symbols:

Bunny = a small cute, lovable creature

Forest = Self / world

Lion = Essence on patrol – keeping me safe? but I’m still maintaining a distance.

1st hole = dark, cold, confining place. Field of vision is very narrow from there. Ground level perspective. (denial of my energies, fears of Self, fear of own power, etc.)

2nd hole = secure shelter (base), comfortable. In a tree trunk – different perspective. I can also look out from time to time, but I can’t climb the tree yet – will grasp that perspective when I morph from being an animal that hops to an animal that can climb higher or fly.

My actions, as the bunny makes a lot of sense. I noticed that I didn’t get deep into the jungle, and stayed kind of on the fringe – at the entrance. I first went into my rabbit hole when it started to rain, and I got out because I was thinking that I could drown in there and found a better spot – and that’s part of what I’ve been doing lately. I’ve been able to get out of my “dark hole in the ground” and situate myself in a better place. When the storm came, I initially didn’t think I needed to seek shelter but ended up doing so. I guess I could translate that as my intent and automatic responses are not on the same page yet, that I am still occupying an in-between space because I am still in the process of laying a new foundation. Changing beliefs. Mostly about Self – and I am realizing that I can love whom and what I am.

The tone was one of joy, discovery, wonderment and appreciation – mostly of a “new” environment and everything that’s a part of that environment. I was very happy just being a rabbit, exploring my rabbit world!

ELLEN’S OFFERING:

I also wanted to offer to you that there is a certain great power in the rabbit. They may be known for timidity, but they also are mystical creatures that appear in myths all over the world. Rabbits leap. They cause you to make great leaps of insight, intuition and imagination, which are tremendous aids in overcoming that very fear and timidity. They are also known for their fertility and thus are associated with creativity.

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