The Edges of the Mind – Exploring Discernment & Detachment Part 1

April 23, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 23, 2006

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Paul, Jo, Ella, Debbie, Tom, Lisa, Peter and Karin

(Session begins 7:50 PM)

[An echo effect manifested and continued throughout Kris' delivery up until the break.]

KRIS: Now we are thankful for your consideration and most glad that you can all participate. Unfortunately we are not very good at imitating the voice of God! (Laughter) Therefore you will have to imagine it.

MARK: (Chuckling) I think the echo effect will add a nice tinge to it!

KRIS: Now this evening’s topic is, we believe, most important when it is necessary to understand whom and what you are, and very specifically when you are exploring the nature of your reality. Who is able to provide definition for the mind?

PAUL: My definition of mind is my sense of “IS-ness” or Being.

KRIS: Does anyone else wish to offer their definition?

MARK: This is Mark. I would say my definition would be the nonphysical counterpart of the physical brain.

(Pause)

Anyone else?

JO: [Jokingly, but with a very deadpan delivery] Something that’s nice to lose from time to time.

(Group chuckling)

KRIS: It’s sometimes helpful to get out of!

JO: Yes!

KRIS: Now it is obvious to all of you that the mind is not something quite as tangible as say, your feet, your nose, or your hands. It obviously has qualities that are quite different from those tangibles. And you have also — or should also be able to surmise — that the mind is part of your own psychological makeup, but is NOT who you are. You do say things like, “I am going out of my mind,” and so on and so forth.

So you refer, often, in your language to the mind as something that you have that obviously is not a good or a property that you can exchange like chattel. It is not something that you can trade or sell off in an auction or in a poker game. The mind is also not something that you may examine under the microscope as if it were a life form, but it does provide you with the ability to identify self; and what you regularly refer to as your ego is also definitely tied in with, and partner to, the mind.

And though you may not be able to see or touch the mind per se, you are aware that it provides you with a definite sense of yourself in some manner or another. And it can be said that your physical form — including the entirety of everything that is perceived by the senses, meaning the physical phenomenon of the world as you know it — is an extension and expression of parts of the contents of your mind.

Now OUR particular definition of mind is, as you experience it: an “AMALGAM of specific consciousness patterns that provides you with a specific sense of who and what you are at this point in time.” And you are definitely aware of the mind, since, again in your language you make references to it on a frequent basis. And you are also accustomed to identifying with one particular grouping of patterns, since you can more or less say, “Yes, this is my mind, not someone else’s. Does that make sense to you so far?

(Yes)

And because of the habitual patterns that you identify with in reference to yourselves, you may not necessarily notice that that mind that you identify with is merely one particular group of patterns, whilst in truth you indeed have MORE THAN ONE particular mind, which also implies that you also have MORE THAN ONE INTELLIGENCE to work with.

You may not necessarily understand that you have more than one mind, because everything presently in your culture is structured towards the identification of the one self, usually based on the interpretations of the one ego. And as such, if you have more than one mind, by necessity you also have more than one ego. And all of the multiple minds, multiple intelligences, multiple egos, arise naturally, effortlessly, and with great exuberance from the rich bed of the psyche as naturally as the seedlings pierce through the ground, rise up towards the sun and the air, and reach for the sky.

Thus we are hoping to start this evening presenting some information and even some tools or exercises by which you may be able to recognize that you CAN function consciously whilst accessing more than one mind — and as such, own your own definitions of self, of ego, of awareness — and gradually expand beyond the particular boundaries that you are accustomed to. Do you have questions so far?

MARK: Any questions?

(Silence)

KRIS: Now does this mean there are no questions, or there is no one there?

(Laughter)

TOM: We’re still here.

DEBBIE: We’re still here, no questions though.

KRIS: Indeed, this information should also enable you to make greater use of the tools and resources you normally make use of to alter and transform your perceptive mechanisms. And as you may well be aware, all of these materials and discussions also tie in with your belief systems which — by now you should be aware that beliefs are not impediments or obstructions or albatrosses to your growth in awareness, but by understanding the nature of your beliefs you can take advantage of truly powerful tools, because that is what they are.

Now as we suggested previously, you are culturally indoctrinated to think of yourselves as having but one mind, one perception, one intelligence, one ego and you do not have to take it solely upon our word that you have more than one ego, one mind, or one intelligence. The information, exercises, should indeed assist you in discovering this for yourself on your own terms. We cynically suggest that you do not yet tell those that have deeply-held beliefs in the notion that the ego is to be put to death for their own enlightenment, because they will become frightened, knowing that they may have more than one ego to kill!

(Laughter)

After all, if an ego cannot have some fun, what can it do? Now earlier we suggested that the mind is an amalgam of consciousness patterns, each pattern tied into sets of beliefs and the point is not to find the belief as if it is something that you must ferret out and exterminate like a rat. That is not the purpose of knowing about your beliefs, nor is it the purpose of knowing about the mind.

And we are certain that each and every one of you has an organizational structure to put all of your patterns into play regardless of your notions of language and syntactical structure. We could say that syntactical structures and language are the surface-most exposures of a deeper meaningful arrangement, just as when you hear a symphony you may be able to pick out individual notes from various instruments, but it would be difficult to hear the entire musical arrangement all in one.

You basically need to hear the notes as you experience them. Similarly, language is synonymous with the various notes, whilst underneath the structure of language is the entire symphony and you consciously dialog with yourselves in language. You may not necessarily notice the powerful imagery that gives rise to the translations of language at those layers of your awareness.

Underneath the layers of language that you utilize in your own inner dialog are larger layers, literally a latticework of potent imagery from various areas and eras of your life, arranged in a very different manner than your language. And those images are directly linked to different gradations of emotions or emotional events related to your own life. Do you follow so far?

(Yes)

So the language structure, syntactical structure, that you utilize at the uppermost layers of awareness in communicating with others — or even with yourself in inner dialog — those specific layers are highly structured, but underneath those structures exists a different reality, a different arrangement and it is from this rich inner field of events that rise all of the elements that you then encounter in your daily reality to one degree or another.

Now you may think, “What is this old goat up to, talking about imagery, inner events, emotions, as having any kind of structure?” almost as if that area of your psyche has its own psychology and indeed it does, but it is based on a different order of priority based upon intensities and entire fields of intensities. It is not unlike when you play at word association games, but these are life event associations and it is a powerful, charged area of the psyche.

The electro-magnetic intensities are far more powerful than anything you can surmise, and though to your own minds, pardon the pun, it may seem that this area of the psyche may even appear as chaotic — as chaotic as bees even — there is an order and a preciseness that is on such a grand scale that it may even dwarf the kinds of orders that you utilize in your own logical processes.

The logic of this field contains such wisdom that it would indeed behoove you to explore it more in depth. If you were to play a word association game, and we say the word, “spaghetti,” all sorts of images seem to come to mind, does it not?

(Yes)

For some, it may actually be the pasta itself, or the pasta sauce, or the Italian sausage in the sauce. (Kris pauses as an emergency vehicle passes through the neighborhood) We would not think of not sharing the sounds of these sirens with our lovely audience!

(Group laughter)

For some others, the word “spaghetti” might bring up images of when you as a baby, or when YOUR baby first learned to eat pasta, replete with mess. For someone else it may bring up images of a grandmother gathering her tomatoes and cooking them over the stove to make a pleasant sauce for the evening’s pasta dish with her family. For others it may bring up images of Tuscany or Rome or Italy. For others it may bring up images of a fine Italian wine, or good Italian food and music, of rich aromas and so on and so forth. And there are likely dozens or more such associated images that may come up to the surface of your mind, correct?

(Yes)

And even one person may experience almost all of them and if you notice carefully when the images and associated sentiments, or memories even, are brought up to the surface of your awareness by the word, they — the images, the memories — may not necessarily come to the surface in the exact chronological order as you experienced it in sequences of time, but rather in an order relevant to the emotions and their intensities relevant to your experiences. Does this make sense?

(Yes)

And by becoming aware of those emotions and related images you may gain insight into how your own personal consciousness is layered and organized, giving you a rather different picture of what you thought you were about. And if you were to dig even deeper in such a process, you might even discover that you can actually, consciously play with and even re-organize some of those blocks of memories in such a manner that the outcome of your experience can be rather different, if not altogether altered. Does this make sense?

(Yes)

Such a process can also be utilized when dealing with perhaps even rather unpleasant experiences and memories that may still influence your daily events to one degree or another, but giving you a powerful message in an effort to experience a different outcome of experience. Are there any questions up to now?

(No)

Before any specific exercises and methods are given and utilized, it is important to understand that you do have tremendous tools with which to transform your reality and this is one of those tools, because it can help you experience the notion of having another mind, thus experiencing another intelligence and even acknowledging a slightly different ego perspective. What is the time?

MARK: 8:31.

KRIS: May we suggest a small break.

(During break Tom suggested that the echo effect had manifested when Peter and Karin called in. According to Tom, the echo effect is caused when a person calls in who does not have an “echo cancel” on their device causing every other person’s device to also echo. He suggested a solution: by setting up a phone number that would go through the echo canceller he had on his own device, Peter and Karin could call back in using his number, and then each one of the participants also hang up and then call back in onto the regular conference line. This attempt worked quite well and the problem was resolved. Way to go, Tom!)

(8:39 PM Kris returns)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you have fixed your gizmos.

When you delve into those deeper layers of your consciousness and begin to pay attention to the organizational structure of events, of memories, you will begin to notice that indeed, at first it may look like complete disarray to the manner you are accustomed to organizing your thought processes at the conscious level.

It seems to make little sense at all that you would remember an event over another seemingly out of chronological sequence. However, if you pay attention to the processes that are involved, it may even dawn upon you that some of these states so generated may even produce a slightly different sense of who you are compared to how you think you know yourself in regular or everyday terminology.

And herein lies a great key: that this different self, this self with a slightly different perception is ALSO yourself, but organized in a different manner. And there are MANY of these selves in their various organizational structures that are very illogically arranged — apparently — if you compare them to the manner in which you think you are who you are in the good old-fashioned every day way.

And to most people, venturing in this apparently unknown territory can even be frightening because it seems as if the very boundaries that you establish, that define who and what you are, may indeed feel slightly threatened, but only because you have been indoctrinated to believe that any other representation of “YOU”, in quotation marks, can be a threat — that it is foreign and different and therefore to be kept out of the picture or even submerged deep into the layers of what you call the unconscious.

However, there is no need to feel threatened, but instead, a great sense of adventure, discovery and excitement at discovering how you are differently organized at these different layers of the self, and this can even cause a great exuberance and unleashing of energies to help round out your already effervescent personalities.

Recently we were asked if more can be expressed through the individual personality. Is that the correct question, Tom?

TOM: Yes, it is. I did ask that, yesterday. [In a private session.]

KRIS: Indeed and indeed more can be expressed, but not in the usual sense. You cannot, for instance, shove twenty potatoes in a can that can only hold ten. Otherwise, there is definitely a containment problem and you look at cleaning up a fine potato mash! However, the human personality structure is not as rigid as a tin can. It has great flexibility and leeway, and it can be done through the acknowledgement of the manner in which events and memories and emotional intensities are catalogued at those deeper layers of your awareness.

And it is not done, as we suggested, in a sequential, alphabetized, numerological order in a very rational manner as you are accustomed, but instead through an order of emotional impact. And playing with those issues can provide you with a great deal of adventure, even assisting in healing up painful past issues that you may have buried in your unconscious for fear you did not have the necessary tools and resources to deal with such an issue, whatever it may be. Any questions so far? (Silent pause) Then, who can provide an example of word and emotion association from their own life?

MARK: Anybody?

ELLA: I don’t understand how you mean word and emotion. Associated?

MARK: Associated word and emotion?

ELLA: I don’t quite get the question…

PAUL: I have it. I’ll have a go. Chocolate! The word is chocolate. For me it brings up images of candy, Easter eggs, sweetness, childhood delight and feelings of comfort.

KRIS: Indeed and if you explore those series of images and the emotions tied to them, you may notice that they appear to be rather random, without a specific order, but some may hold a stronger charge than another, is that correct?

PAUL: Definitely.

KRIS: Now if you isolate a specific memory and associated image, perhaps one that is stronger than another and allow it to branch out into its own randomness, what comes up for you?

PAUL: Just continuing the thread with chocolate and exploring that came up, I had a memory that came up of being about ten or eleven years old, sitting at the breakfast table, my mother made me a glass of chocolate milk and I poured it on — I think it was Frosted Flakes (Laughs) — and it was way too sweet! It was a somewhat unpleasant memory that came up there, associated with chocolate. Nothing overly traumatic, though! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. Now, if you were to focus on some of the components of that particular scenario. You have your mother, for example, which in itself may lead into ANOTHER branch of associations regarding “mother.” Is that correct?

PAUL: (Inaudible)

KRIS: It is difficult to hear.

PAUL: Yes, absolutely it does. It branches out into all sorts of feeling tones of that breakfast room and my mother preparing meals and food, and so on and so forth.

KRIS: Indeed. Now if you allow yourself to follow that stream in relation to your mother, what comes up for you?

PAUL: A very warm feeling of my mother, of my relationship with my mother, who was very much a nurturer, a caretaker, a matriarch of our family, a very warm, pleasant feeling of her caring for me — even though that chocolate milk was too sweet that morning! (Laughs)

KRIS: Indeed. Now, out of those images another contact has emerged: Family. And if you follow THAT thread, what comes up for you?

PAUL: The next hyperlink is just thinking about my conversation with my mother today and discussing my stepfather who’s in a nursing home with Alzheimer’s and she’s a caregiver for him, taking care of him daily. That’s more of that care giving imagery and her struggles with seeing his decline. He will be 84 or so this summer, so that leads into that care giving role and her current struggles with aging and caring for him.

KRIS: Indeed. Now in that particular sequence there was the mention of chocolate which brought the memory and feelings of you being a ten-year-old pouring overly sweet chocolate milk on something and from there, the image of your mother, and from there the image of family and father, each with their apparent distinct tones, correct?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. If you allow yourself to take each of those sequences and re-organize them into a new thread, separate from their past associations, you may experience a different feeling-tone. Is this correct?

PAUL: Sure. It just keeps branching out, whether it’s in that kitchen or in that house with the ten-year-old with the chocolate milk I loved in Bosco….and it goes into the Easter candy she made in Easter baskets that she gave us — jelly beans, chocolate eggs — and back into the present moment with my step dad and his Alzheimer’s and her care giving for him….

KRIS: Indeed. Now, another step also is that you focused upon the memory of yourself as ten years old, but there may also be interesting memories of you as an eight-year-old or twelve-year-old involving similar timeframe of Easter time and chocolates. Correct?

PAUL: Yes. I’m remembering a white chocolate Easter bunny in my Easter basket, from your mention of that. I don’t know how old I was at that time.

KRIS: Indeed. Approximation?

PAUL: Twelve.

KRIS: Indeed, then! Now, as an experiment, what would happen if you took the imagery and associated feelings — emotions — of the white chocolate, twelve-year-old Easter and moved it before the scene of the ten-year-old and the chocolate milk? What occurs in your consciousness?

PAUL: Just the connection that I didn’t like that white chocolate Easter bunny and I didn’t finish it, so there’s an unpleasant connection with both experiences.

KRIS: But you preferred the chocolate milk.

PAUL: In the two memories I have, they were only unpleasant…. (pause)….actually the white chocolate wasn’t THAT bad…but it wasn’t like good Hershey’s chocolate. I like milk chocolate. It’s my preference.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you have a memory of such an experience?

PAUL: I’m getting a nice chocolate milkshake that I made as a teenager. I used to make them, throw in an egg and add vanilla or chocolate ice cream and chocolate syrup.

KRIS: Indeed then, the suggestion is that you focus upon that experience of the delicious chocolate milk and if you so desire you may even expand that image so that it seems rather large. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed then. Now our suggestion is to continue playing and take that now LARGE image of the delicious Hershey chocolate milk and move it right over the other two images, not to squish the other two, but to overlay them with that one, so that the other two are still there, but somehow or other they are framed within the larger picture.

PAUL: Nice. Yeah, good.

KRIS: And, what seems to happen to you now?

PAUL: As I’m wrestling with the three images, I really was drawn to that overly sweet chocolate milk, it was so sweet and I’m trying to think, “how can that delicious chocolate milkshake get rid of that?” Yet as I expand the chocolate milkshake memory and keep in focus the white chocolate and that sweet chocolate milk, it does soften the feeling-tone and memory of that terrible sweetness. And now that I’ve brought it back up, it’s terribly sweet again! (Laughs) But I get the point! I did have a moment where that expansive, delicious chocolate merged with that sweet chocolate, and it wasn’t so bad.

KRIS: Indeed! Now this is a very small example, but it is sufficient to give you an idea that it is possible at those layers of consciousness to make some modifications, even re-structuring of how things are laid out at those foundational layers and it can produce a different experience in the now, since you are still dealing with the now overall. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Does anyone have questions?

TOM: This is Tom from Hawaii. The question is: that example that Paul just gave dealt with spatial manipulation. Are you implying that you can also get a different feeling-tone dealing with temporal manipulation and remembering things in a different order?

KRIS: You consciously have labeled and catalogued every event and experience of your life in an apparent chronological order, but the emotions and inner subjective experiences are not stored in that same fashion. They have their own order. Their own order of play stored in a different — and highly evolved but DIFFERENT — manner. One based upon the emotional intensities.

Thus it would be possible for instance, for you to emotionally remember events completely out of the conscious memories as you laid them out, and this would have a different impact upon your personality were you to delve into those areas. And this is where the notion that you have different minds comes into play. Those layers of emotional memories, events, encapsulate vast amounts of energy.

And this is an area of consciousness rarely ever mined for its resources for the manner in which it can provide you with a different perception and perspective on reality. Indeed, to alter your reality, even if slightly and sufficiently, for you to understand that there is indeed more than one reality, more than one you, more than one mind, more than one intellect, and more than one ego at play; and the self, as you think of it, is NOT AT ALL what you thought it was. Does that make some sense to you?

TOM: Yes.

PAUL: Kris, I just have a follow-up question.

KRIS: Indeed!

PAUL: You’re not telling us to repress the overly sweet memory, to knock it out of our awareness; you’re telling us to hold that in awareness, and yet hold other memories, other feeling-tones, emotional aspects in awareness and merge them in such a way that neutralizes that overly sweet, or overly negative or overly positive aspect of that experience. It changes it, it accepts it and neutralizes it, is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed. Now, neutralizing is a very subjective word. It can also free up segments of the personality that may indeed have felt trapped or burdened by issues that the individual has not been able to deal with. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: And we would never advocate the suppression of or the alienation of any parts of you. On the contrary, we are about literally coaching a greater freedom of Being and lopping off parts of your psyche, your subjective self, would NOT make you more of an individual. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yeah, and I’m just trying to assimilate what you’re saying in terms of Triple ‘A’ — Acknowledging, Addressing, and Accepting — and it seems like addressing, that middle stage, would involve this process of following the different connections –

KRIS: Indeed. It could even be said that this is another entirely different layer of the Triple ‘A’. The Triple A can indeed work very nicely with the conscious aspects of self in the manner in which it has been understood for many months now, utilizing it in this context gives it an entirely different meaning because it expands what you think of as self in a very real, tangible and pragmatic manner. Does that make sense as well?

PAUL: Yes.

ELLA: May I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLA: I am trying to also observe the information you are presenting. I feel there are a couple of concepts floating in my head and I am trying to put them together in perspective. What I am dealing with right now is the relationship of ego — multiple aspects of ego — or if you say, different egos to different minds — and also I’m trying to understand just for me, it’s easier for me to imagine, if I would imagine where all these multiple minds are located because…it’s not in the brain, correct? The tool that helps us to process our conscious, objective reality, but…where all of that is…is there any way to somehow summarize it?

KRIS: Indeed. You are not your brain, nor are you your mind, but the brain can be said to be the physical expression — as the body is also the physical expression of those patterns of energy consciousness you call the mind. Many of your older esoteric metaphysical religious teachings have usually tried to instill the sense that the mind is something that must be controlled lest it lead you astray, just as many have also taught that ego must somehow or other die for you to be who you are.

And both statements are erroneous, they are misinterpretations. First of all, you cannot kill the ego, because it is not tangible, and secondly, what you perceive of as the ego is merely but one of many. Thus, even if you were to successfully kill one, another would rise in its place on a perpetual basis.

And the mind is not your enemy, nor is it you, but by learning its function and exploring its psychology, its organization, you learn to literally take advantage of the vast fields of potentials that are contained within this amalgam of energy-consciousness patterns. And so many of the variances and eccentricities within all of these organizations can give you many minds from which to mine resources and tools and savoir faire and wisdom that continuously and constantly rises to the uppermost surface layers of the conscious mind, unless you fear it and thus suppress it and literally attack it, fearing it will control you.

But your entire system is often based on the false assumption that there is something within the self — namely your mind, something within your mind — that you must be leery of, and when that happens you do not trust the natural impulses that give birth to the rise of new minds over time.

That is why we urge you, even in this very simplistic fashion, to examine the manner in which the mind organizes its psychology, how it puts together events, situations, memories, emotions, because they will be varied and sometimes radically different from the manner in which you think you organize your reality. By uncovering these rich treasures of the mind, you avail yourself of opportunities and probabilities that can enrich your experience of selfhood greatly. Does that answer your question?

ELLA: Yes and no. Theoretically yes, practically, I would sort of want to see an example that I could relate to my own personality as I access my different minds. For example, when I am being logical, am I using one of my minds, and when I am being childish — which is a completely different personality, I could assume — am I using, you know, perception….the reality from a different mind?

KRIS: You are utilizing portions of these different minds. One that we would urge you to discover is the manner in which your childish self has organized memories and emotions as being very different from the manner in which you would organize say, your education — which is done in a logical, rational manner — and yet, the childish, or any other mind, has its own order which may appear chaotic to the rational mind, but indeed, the inner mind’s own rationale is so vast and so carefully construed, that to it, your rational mind could indeed almost be a prison of sorts. Do you follow?

ELLA: Oh, very much so.

KRIS: Are there other questions?

TOM: Yes, I have another question. My question is, when we talk about beliefs and not being able to destroy a belief, I’m wondering is there a relationship between the belief, one of the multiple minds, and egos?

KRIS: There will indeed be many relationships because all of these associated memories and emotions are based upon various beliefs.

Now comes the part concerning detachment and discernment as is part of the original title. Many people are unaware of how their mind or minds function and are sometimes even intensely swept up in the feelings they consciously interpret and experience from those deeper layers that well up to the surface of their conscious mind.

And though, on its own, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with such a scenario, from OUR perspective the individual’s experience can be greatly enhanced and fulfillment can also be enriched by exploring and understanding the psychology within your own mind or minds. Thus, enabling any one of you to be slightly DETACHED from the sometimes potent urgency to immediately act upon any and every feeling that courses through your veins at any given moment without the understanding that all of these subjective actions catapulted into the physical reality are the result of the beliefs that you hold and engage.

And by exploring the deeper knowledge that is yours, the deeper knowledge of your reality, you would be able to experience a certain detachment which can help you immensely to understand and even come to a point of identifying the various beliefs that are involved in your actions and basically allowing the reality to manifest itself as opposed to trying through sheer willpower to make events happen at the conscious level. And what we are saying here has very deep implications in the understandings that you may have cultivated concerning this apparent New Age philosophy of ‘Conscious Creation’.

And secondly, DISCERNMENT is something that is poorly understood, but such a powerful aid to your journey of self-discovery. For example, you would be necessarily utilizing a certain amount of discernment in exploring those deeper layers of your own awareness and consciousness and again discerning how the reorganization of even the viewed emotional imagery moments or experiences can have as an impact upon the outcome of your reality.

And discernment can help you more carefully gauge what you call physical reality which IS in so many sweet — chocolatey sweet — words, the feedback mechanism of all of this subjective work. And observing, discerning how alterations, changes, reorganizations at those subjective levels can have an impact into the everyday reality encounters.

Something that is more potent than reality television! So these are two very powerful tools that definitely can give you an edge in this kind of exploration. This kind of exploration truly qualifies under these two words: KNOW THYSELF, which necessitates a redefinition of what you think of as self. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Are there questions, chocolate-y or otherwise?

MARK: I’ve got a comment. I definitely understand this very clearly having experienced it, and having changed the outcome of these intensities of these feelings, these emotions tied to a specific event, can indeed drastically change one’s life. For instance, when I was about 14 or 15 years old, I was told by a person that I respected that I was a waste of a human life and that stuck with me for decades.

And it was about four years ago I went to an NLP practitioner and I was taught to first of all picture that person saying those words, and then change that person’s look to a cartoon character with a very funny voice. I picked Itchy from Itchy and Scratchy (Group laughter) and suddenly the words lost all intensity, it became comical, I didn’t focus on it anymore and therefore how I felt about myself and felt about that statement became very, very different.

KRIS: Indeed.

JO: That sounds a lot like the Harry Potter movie where the kids learn to look at their greatest fears and change them into something comical and put them into an entirely different context.

KRIS: Indeed, it certainly would be most hilarious if each of you could take your own private demons and fears and put them in a hat with flowers and a long dress.

(Laughter)

Are there other questions?

PAUL: I just wanted to comment that that’s a great technique for dealing with nightmares that I put into practice years ago and it’s been awhile and it just reminded me of the technique. So I have a very scary confrontation with a stereotypical beast-type threatening creature in a dream and I woke up with a start, and when I recalled that dream, I dressed that beast in a dress and put little fingernails on it (Chuckles) and little flowers in its hair, and it completely dissolved the tension and fear in that dream experience and I fell back asleep and never worried about that beast again.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Go ahead, Ella.

ELLA: Well, I’d just really liked the example that Paul gave, I think it’s a good technique also, I’ll remember that.

KRIS: The main point is to entice you to explore how you, at those inner layers, deeper layers of awareness, organize reality — structurally very different based upon emotional intensities, images and memories — and we encourage you to playfully look at this order and allow even the results of the observations to have an influence upon the manner in which you hold onto situations and your beliefs. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:34.

KRIS: Then we playfully suggest we end our lovely discussion and that you may all experience beautiful dreams. We wish to continue next telephone conference with part two. Have a pleasant play.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends)

Detailed Roll Call: Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)
Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki) and Jo (Rosalie)
New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)
Oklahoma: Debbie
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
Oregon: Lisa
Nelle, Germany: Peter and Karin

A Private Session with Tom Chez (Hawaii)

April 22, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Tom Chez (Desiré)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 22, 2006

(Session begins.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration, and we trust that you are comfortable.

TOM: Yes I am. Hello Kris.

[TOM'S NOTE: Just before the session started I mentioned to Serge that: I had a vivid dream of a "workshop on expressing more of the personality". I've sometimes wondered how much more personality can be expressed and what effect it may have on society.]

KRIS: Now your brief description of your dream is of interest for many reasons, of interest for you. What you recalled of course is one slice of a much wider dream interpreted in a manner that would make sense to your own personality structure. On one level you tapped into a potential future event as often happens with dream states. And at the same time, this potential future event also signified for you how you are experimenting and trying to expand the boundaries of your own awareness, experimenting with different aspects of your overall personality, stretching the understandings that you have and that are in the processes of being developed as well.

Thus the experimentation with personality types and structures in the dream recall is the way you interpreted how various aspects of your own personality structure are being reworked, understood in a new light, re-organized to allow expanded awareness. And this is the manner in which best suited your own recollections, at this point in time, allowing you a certain degree of even deep satisfaction with the work you are allowing yourself. We believe that if you look carefully at what we will simply globally call the feeling tone of your dream, the aftermath of your dream, there was a sense of accomplishment. Even if you might not necessarily be aware exactly what you accomplished per-say from the waking perspective. There was a sense of having accomplished a great task. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes it does, I felt that somehow the dream was something that I thought about before, so yes, I do feel a sense of accomplishment seeing it (acted out) in the dream state, it made me feel proud.

KRIS: Indeed, you could say that this was a double-pronged dream. Various fields were being activated, you could only recall and interpret in that way so many segments at any given moment. And even beneath those layers there are still other actions of you exploring the dynamics of what kind of energies are utilized in this reality to create various personality types. Thus there are now three layers into this dream. The third layer dealing more with what could be called the esoteric or metaphysical aspects, having to do with families of consciousness and what occurs at those deeper layers that allow the individual to draw upon these innate deep psychological resources that help the individuality formulate its structure upon which the personality will literally grow and expand and keep expanding even beyond the confines of this one physical life.

TOM: Wow! That has to do with the families of consciousness also?

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: That’s very interesting. I’m glad that you had commented on that today. I didn’t know exactly what it had meant. It’s nice to look at it from that perspective. Thank you.

I came up with four topics (for today). “Triple A”, “Value Creation”, “Grace”, and “Love”. I was looking at tying them together, trying to understand them, and maybe just getting the larger picture. My first question is about the unfolding of the personality structure: Do we gradually change our personality as we “Triple A”?

KRIS: Indeed, that would be a normal outcome of using such a process. As you become more self-aware, you are able then to release your hold on convictions and other mental habits that are often a hindrance to the growth of the personality, seen as a hindrance at the onset, but utilizing such resources as the “Triple A” enables you to recognize that, for instance certain negative mental patterns that initially appear negative in those terms of the word can be undone to release a new influx of energy, mindfulness, etc. into your own life. Does that make some sense?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Thus what can initially appear as a need to reverse, move away from, or undo negative mental patterns or habits, can become a recognition that beneath the apparent negative patterns are useful and powerful energies, usually established as a means to restrain the personality.

TOM: Restrain?

KRIS: Indeed. Keep it in check. Perhaps initiated from childhood where the child may be told by one or both parents or other adults, figures of authority, or even peers that you need to stop what you are doing, you cannot do what you are doing, and etc. You can only do what we tell you to do, thus setting up barriers to the child’s own sense of self-discovery. And the intentions may be for the welfare of the child, but based upon the parents or other adults or peers own accepted limitations.

Perhaps a poor example, say a young girl may desire to explore territory, studies, education that is usually referred to the domain of the male in society, perhaps medicine, science, or otherwise. And the young girl would perhaps be encouraged to leave those kinds of things alone and behave more like a lady. Stay within the domain that is often ascribed to females in the social structure.

The young girl may choose to accept those limitations until such a time in her future where she recognizes that there are impediments, restrictions, something that she wishes to explore but is uncertain of its source, until eventually there is the recognition that perhaps as a young child she wanted to explore things normally reserved for the males.

Thus in using the “Triple A” method, getting to the bottom of the issue, recognizing where she stands and where she wishes to go, she may alter those specific barriers, bring them down, only to discover that she had a long standing interest in a domain that was male dominated because she has strong propensities for those very issues. Thus what could have been a negative pattern has been transformed into the release of energies and interests that may have been dormant for some time and now are released, giving the whole personality structure an influx of new direction, new desire, an impetus to go beyond its own boundaries. And this is a very basic, perhaps even crude example but we believe you understand its premise.

TOM: Yes I do. Now those beliefs were initially a shared belief from the parent of the child taken on at an early age and then shed later on in life?

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: That’s a great example there Kris. I wanted to ask a quick question on the “Triple A” method. There are several people having difficulty finding success, and maybe just having partial success. I have some ideas, things that might be limiting the success rate. So I’d like to go over that.

The first step I see is identifying an issue that harboring a potential non-beneficial belief. Then listen to my feelings and ask why several times to discover the belief or beliefs behind it. What I’m coming up with is that there probably is never just one belief that needs to be “Triple A” ‘d. It seems that there are a lot of related beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed, in that you are correct. Very often you have layers of intermingled or intertwined beliefs all creating a lattice work that can be peeled back, if you wish, revealed one after another. And all of the things that would come up utilizing the “Ask Why” method for example, would all be relatable to beliefs, not a single one being the culprit, especially since you are not looking for a culprit, but instead a means to expand your own boundaries and no beliefs are culprits. They are all chosen for a very specific reason at a very specific point in your lifetime. And they may have served a very practical purpose at that moment, just as the child does see the parents as a god-like figure for a time, and depends entirely one hundred percent on the parents for everything.

Then, eventually, the process of individuation kicks in, where the child’s own identity starts to emerge, and will continue to do so for some time. Now it would be rather unhealthy for a grown adult male to still hold on to the childhood beliefs that the parents are god-like beings. It would provide a deep emotional handicap preventing that adult to individuate, to become him or her self.

So it is beneficial at a point where the teen begins to reject that parental authority, thus you enter the period where the parents usually develop gray hairs.

TOM: (laughing) Ok, interesting. I did have a side question about the identity and what we know of as ourselves. Is that the portion of the personality, the ego portion of the personality, what we know of as ourselves, our identity?

KRIS: Not specifically. The ego does allow you to stand as your own individuality, but it does not define the individuality, and individuality is not defined by the ego. It is extremely crucial for a well-developed ego, because it also allows for the separation of observer and that which is observed. It provides that very important distinction between what one is and one is not. And it does respond to, what we will simply call the command lines initiated by the individual.

TOM: And it also tries to keep things running smoothly…

KRIS: It does indeed as it acts as a go-between, a gateway if you like, between the various states of objective and subjective awareness. It does provide a certain sense of selfhood and identity, but does not limit and define that self and that identity. You are always far more than your ego, and always far more than the sum of all of your parts. There will always be aspects of your personality that are truly unobtainable, unexplainable, beyond description, beyond definition simply because you do not have the syntax nor the neurological processes sufficiently developed to accommodate those wider aspects of selfhood, a large portion of which does not exist within the space-time continuum.

Perhaps the idea often used of the iceberg is very appropriate. Barely a tenth of the iceberg usually is observable above the water. Thus those portions of the personality, including the physical imagery, would qualify as that one tenth that appears to interact in the physical reality, above the waters of the subjective awareness. The rest of the self is submerged beneath.

So all the processes crucial to being do not necessarily take place nor are demonstrated above the surface of the water in that ten percent. And as best as you can you initiate physical expression of that part of yourself that is not physical.

TOM: Hmm. Ok. And with there being nine tenths unexpressed in the physical. The one tenth that is expressed … Do we swap out different portions over time? Do you know what I mean by that?

KRIS: Redefine it.

TOM: Ok. If one tenth is above the water that we’re expressing at any given time, the other nine tenths are below the water. Do we take perhaps one slice and express it at one time and another slice and express it at another time until we have expressed the whole nine tenths that are below the water or do we simply express the one tenth that’s above the water?

KRIS: It is perhaps not so literal. Do keep in mind that this is an analogy. Now, from your perspective it appears that you are the one tenth that is the expressed portion of SELF, thus an Expression of Essence. However, you do not necessarily see another one tenth expressed in another time-space, known as another focus or Expression of Essence, and so on. And even if all of the iceberg in various parts were potentially expressed, it would still not define the entire self.

To continue this crude analogy, it is very likely that, what from your angle would appear as one hundred percent of the self would then again be only one tenth of a larger structure still. Your physical reality is not equipped; there is no physical reality that is equipped to express the full self in its completeness.

TOM: Now when you say the full Self are you talking about the unconscious and Essence or the focus personality.

KRIS: We are talking of much more that the focus personality.

TOM: Ok, the entire ball of wax.

KRIS: Indeed and the entire ball of wax is indeed very big. It is bigger than the wax factory and not made of earwax.

TOM: (laughing) Ok. With the “Triple A”, you mentioned that is the best method for us…

KRIS: It is an excellent method. There are likely others. For the time being, this works very nicely.

TOM: Right. I’m just thinking and pondering what else may there be based on what we talked about. I’ve come up with the idea that maybe there are more drastic measures that kind of shatter a lot of beliefs and require almost an entire overhaul of the personality that are not recommended.

KRIS: That is correct. There are two ways to enter a china shop and buy fine china. There is the one method by which you enter the front door and you carefully walk through the isles picking out those pieces of fine china that you feel are suited to your home decor and who you are and your presentations and dinners, etc. Correct?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. There is a second method where you enter with a bulldozer and in the process shatter every piece of fine china, including the shop itself, which would render the process null and void. So though it might appear that utilizing dynamite may work very fine indeed, it may be overkill. You do not take an elephant gun to shoot a mosquito. Thus even though it might appear a wonderful thing indeed to take drastic measures, usually it would be done with a great deal of over-exuberance and not a sufficient enough understanding of what your personality structure and the utilization of beliefs are all about. Thus such drastic measures may not be recommendable.

TOM: Ok. Perhaps looking at a less drastic, and I don’t know if I would even call this a method but, procedure. One thing I’ve noticed about memory is that I store certain things in my memory based on what I see around me. So when I see the same thing it will trigger a certain memory, especially when I’m learning (something new) the environment around me helps me to store (organize) things in my memory. So I’m wondering if …

Is it beneficial to move to a new place, to stop talking with current friends and acquaintances and making a change in your life like that. Can that be beneficial, given that maybe your friends represent some of your non-beneficial beliefs or they play a role in reinforcing them. Perhaps even the environment that you see everyday, mesmerized into reminding you of your beliefs. Could you comment on that please?

KRIS: There are occasions where people have done just that: pack up, pick up and go, to create for themselves an entirely new life. And this may work well for some, but many people find that somehow or other, even though they are in a new geographical location, a new even employment, creating new acquaintances that somehow or other the same types of challenges keep coming back as if they are launching boomerangs. So there are indeed boomerang issues because there are many situations where you simply cannot run away from yourself. You may try, but your old patterns, your old habits will find you because they are part of you.

So they would be re-manifested perhaps in situations very similar to the ones you just left. Thus you are back to square one having to realize that you have to deal with certain issues first.

TOM: Ok, I’ve realized that in life that if you don’t deal with a certain issue it will show up somewhere else as somebody else…

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: and play it self out again. That was a theory I came up with many years back.

KRIS: There are many cases of people in these new situations discovering that nothing has changed. Even their new friends, acquaintances, and challenges may even resemble the people they left behind. Do you understand?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Thus if you are able to first do your homework and discover those challenges and their sources, you might find that certain things occur naturally. Perhaps new friends will start showing up in your life while old acquaintances suddenly seem to retreat, because they no longer correspond to your issues of the past. Now you have new situations, thus new individuals seem to come and reflect your new beliefs.

TOM: Ok, so I’m getting the impression that seeing the same environment every day then isn’t really reinforcing the beliefs as much as I would like to think it is… By seeing the same environment I need to see my beliefs differently or focus on more beneficial beliefs as opposed to blaming the environment for reminding me of my old beliefs.

KRIS: Indeed. The environment is not the cause, but the reflection.

TOM: Right. I just felt this link with my memory. Sometimes I wake up and I see the same things and I feel the same way I go outside I feel the same way. Then maybe later in the day it occurs to me that there was this state of mind that I had yesterday where I was more focused on new beliefs then some of the old beliefs. And I realize that I spent the whole day dwelling on old beliefs because (seemingly) everything around reminded me of the old beliefs. I was just wondering if there was a connection there…

Ok … the “Triple A”, so once we get all the related beliefs, then a good method you mentioned is to create an interrupt for when we think about a non-beneficial belief or react to an event in life. We want to create an interrupt so we don’t fall into the same pattern.

And we also want to create a new belief-image in our mind of our choosing. So we take the non-beneficial belief and create an interrupt so that if something happens during the day we don’t react to it the same way and then we have our new belief, which we create an image of in our mind. I believe that is the method that you have given to us. And I think the last thing was to ask ourselves if this new belief, the direction that we’re heading, to ask ourselves if that’s in line with our life’s theme?

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: And what we hope to be extracting from life.

KRIS: There needs to be a sense of balance, harmony, and congruency. In other words, if you are working on instilling new sets of beliefs, it is important to get consensus from SELF. There may be aspects of your own personality that might be uncomfortable or simply plain object to the formulation of a new belief if its own interests might be compromised. Do you understand?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: And the idea would be to use something we have spoken much of: listening to your inner dialog, to the mental conversations you engage all day, every day. This would also work as a good identifier. By learning to pay attention and listen to inner dialog, you might discover that there is a portion of you that is very much against you doing such and such, for its own reasons. Thus you would utilize the “Triple A” and “Ask Why” to focus in on this particular aspect of your personality and perhaps even create an excellent compromise, agreement, understanding without necessarily upsetting the apple cart, because when you upset the apple cart, then there are apples everywhere. Do you follow?

TOM: Sort of. When you say upset the apple cart are you talking about a life theme or you just talking about creating many more incongruencies because you’ve changed one belief.

KRIS: The latter. So it is to your advantage to get an overall consensus, and by learning to pay attention to inner dialog you would get a very quick signal of a part of SELF that would be objecting. You would detect a new inner dialog that may be objecting to the new goal until you bring it in line as well.

Thus, for example if a barge is about to leave the dock or dockside, go into the bay and into the ocean you need to bring along tugboats until it can go on its own power. Correct?

TOM: Correct.

KRIS: Now, if there are two tugboats pulling one direction and two tugboats pulling the opposite direction, the barge will not go anywhere very fast. But if all four tugboats tug together in the same direction then there is success. The barge can start moving towards its intended goal or destination. The idea is to find those tugboats in your awareness that might be pulling in a different direction, bring them in line, thus have more power, so that your own energies are not divided into these different factions within self.

TOM: What are the tugboats representing here?

KRIS: These are different beliefs pertinent to different aspects.

TOM: These are all beliefs that I hold on the surface here in my one tenth of the iceberg?

KRIS: They may not necessarily be immediately perceived in line with your conscious personality. They may deal with beliefs you may have held for a very long time. They are therefore submerged in memory.

TOM: … [Submerged] with the psychic pollution.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Could I give a quick example and a question with this?

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Let’s say that the focus personality wants to come into reality and chooses a theme and the theme might have to do with freedom. And it projects itself into say seven different space-time areas, each one of the seven taking a different perspective of that theme. Maybe one would be a loner, another might be a freedom fighter, and perhaps another one might spend its entire life in a jail, as a prisoner.

Now I’m wondering about the one that choose to look at that aspect before it had incarnated and choose “I want to know what its like to be in jail all my life”. Halfway through this person’s life their in jail, I think Seth once said something like no one has to suffer unless it teaches them something, so if at that point this focus said “Wait a minute, I don’t want to be in jail anymore”. Could a change be made then to alter the blueprint for this person to look at freedom another way even though it wasn’t part of the original blueprint?

KRIS: It would still be part of the overall thrust or momentum even before birth as potential -something that may be acted upon or not. And if the personality veers in that direction then a number of other issues may come up. Perhaps, say if the individual is accused of having committed a violent crime thus has his civil liberties erased by becoming a prisoner of the federal system. Perhaps new DNA evidence might come up that may exonerate him.

Or perhaps if the individual actually did commit the crime, realizes that there is a need to get out and knows that escape is not possible. There are other options available to that personality. Perhaps a fight between inmates may erupt where he subsequently dies. That may have been used as a means to get out of that situation, still legitimate, and this would not be something he would necessarily be conscious of in that way. In the way that you are conscious that today you sit at your table and you make your shopping list. There is another kind of being conscious of, but it is relegated at this point into what you call the unconscious right now, because for most people the idea of becoming conscious of their chosen method and moment of death is rather scandalous. So they make themselves necessarily unaware of making those choices, even though it may even very likely cross their conscious mind. They would refute it. Do you understand?

TOM: Yes and I assume that would be the same situation for somebody that decides to live a very poor life, or focus on having money and not having money. The person may be poor, and content to live being poor until the day they die. But then maybe half way through life they might decide they want something better, or they’ve learned what they have come to learn, and perhaps would choose a more comfortable life at that point.

KRIS: That is also a possibility. This is also something they would not consciously determine in that manner. And at the same time, if they come to learn anything, it is basically how to play with belief structures. What kind of beliefs can they hold on to which creates the outcomes, which become part of their life’s situation. Does that make sense?

TOM: Yes. That’s very encouraging. It’s good to know that our life is (about) dealing with beliefs.

KRIS: Now… Indeed, you deal with beliefs your whole life long. Even the whole concept of physical reality CAN be considered a type of belief. This is on another order. As for the beliefs in poverty or lack of abundance or any other example used so far, they are still very simplistic. For example, exactly what is poverty? There are very many extremely rich individuals, in monetary terms, who are, themselves very poor in spirit. And there are those who are very-very poor in physical terms who are very-very rich in fulfillment. So there are many different angles from which this can be approached you see.

TOM: And the two are not mutually exclusive.

KRIS: That is correct. There are some who are abundant in both.

TOM: Ok, I guess we have time for one more question. This question is about grace (and) compassion. You mentioned before that we always have access to the state of grace, which leads to enlightenment. You said that grace leads to compassion and compassion leads to enlightenment. I think I’m quoting you correctly. I’m wondering, when you say there are different types of enlightenment, and I’m thinking specifically of the type of enlightenment where a person can sit in a room and perhaps get scientific formulas (and) could pick up all these different channels of information. Is it basically a requirement, a prerequisite, that there be grace and compassion in that persons life? Or are there types of enlightenment that preclude grace and compassion?

KRIS: The state of grace is a natural state of being. Not a single being can exist without it. So it is part of the elemental structure of all beings.

TOM: So we tend to ignore it at times.

KRIS: Indeed. It is sometimes ignored and sometimes willingly denied. Thus, the entire universe in one way or another is a byproduct of that state of grace. When we say there are different types of enlightenment, this can have many-many meanings. An individual can have enlightened moments and still have un-enlightened moments in their life whilst they are working out their own specific challenges.

And by enlightenment we do not necessarily mean the stereotypical eastern religion idea of enlightenment, where everything is one big happy day and that you walk on water and blessings ooze out of your pores at every occasion. Do you follow?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: There are many people who show great moments of illumination and enlightenment and in the same life also can demonstrate areas of their lives where they are indeed least enlightened. And there are many variations and shades in-between.

Enlightenment, in our perspective is more of connecting with or plugging into that greater state of grace that is your natural habitat, your natural source, or Essence if you wish, just as there are different types of compassion. But overall, the sense of empathy is a great quality to cultivate, especially since from our view the other is you.

And the more the individual realizes that the other is him or her, and the more you allow the state of grace to flow into your being as it naturally does without impediment, the more enlightenment you can display. And we do have to be careful with words, because we do not wish this to be construed as a simplistic formula. There are degrees and layers of complexities within this and each must be honored, because first and foremost, TRUE enlightenment, TRUE compassion, is the understanding that the other, which is you, is also filled with grace regardless of appearances.

Now, we suggest that we end our lovely discussion.

TOM: Ok, well thank you very much, a great discussion.

KRIS: Indeed, it is always a pleasure. Till we chat again. In the meantime, discover your own moments of enlightenment and grace and compassion, especially towards yourself. And we send you to your lovely dreams.

TOM: Thank you.

(End of session)

A Private Session with Emmy (Atin Khum)

April 15, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 15, 2006

(Session begins.)

KRIS: Now, we trust that you are comfortable!

EMMY: Yes, I am now.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

EMMY: You’re welcome.

KRIS: Please feel free to begin.

EMMY: Okay, I will do that. I was pretty nervous half an hour ago as I was busy preparing for the session, because I am feeling a bit mixed up at times with my feelings and I wrote down a couple of things that we can discuss. Let me see….it’s a little list here….let me start with a dream I had. I had a fascinating conscious dream a while ago, after I uttered my Essence name just before I went to sleep. Are you aware of that dream?

KRIS: Not in specifics. Please describe.

EMMY: Okay, I uttered my Essence name just before sleeping, not really expecting something like this to happen what happened, was that I was conscious of dreaming, very conscious of dreaming, and I entered this room where I knew there were just….just before I entered the room there were other people, or whatever they were, inside that room and when I entered the room they were gone, and the only thing that was laying on the ground, was this yellow mattress, and….well, I instinctively laid down on this yellow mattress and I came into this other dream state through going through that mattress.

Then, suddenly I was going very fast, traveling to Egypt and I was going so fast that I was bit scared at first, and then I was there [in Egypt] for a moment. I knew the other people went there also. Then I decided to head back because it was such a strange experience to me and then I at first came into the room [where I had been] just before with the yellow mattress.

And it was a very powerful dream because I traveled within the dream state to another dream state and arrived back at the same old location where I had started the whole dream experience. I’m not sure if I’m being clear here at all, because I was a bit distracted by my [other] phone going off, but do you know what I mean?

KRIS: What are some of your impressions concerning this sleep state within a sleep state?

EMMY: My own impressions of them….well, it are big journeys into….I don’t know how to explain it in words, it’s pretty difficult for me at this moment but I think I traveled from one state of consciousness into another where I have a bigger view or something, or a larger view on…well…on other situations or something.

KRIS: That is partially correct. The imagery does present you with the knowledge and the fact that your preliminary or earlier dream states can be utilized as a bridge or gateway to yet deeper states of awareness from within the dreams. It might be helpful to you to experiment with suggestions such as taking advantage of the opportunity whenever, in other dreams, you notice this yellow mattress or any mattress, so that you can, within the dream state, pretend you are going to sleep in order to dream.

EMMY: Yeah.

KRIS: So this indicates to you that there are ways to access even deeper layers of your own dream adventures.

EMMY: Yes. Indeed.

KRIS: The people that you knew were in the room, in some manner, considering the nature of dreams, in some manner may not necessarily have been in that room, BUT have belonged to the activities pertaining to those deeper layers. And a way for you to GET to those deeper layers is for you to do just as you did: invite another means for you to fall asleep within your dreams so that you can access them. This is also highly creative on your part, especially considering that you intuitively knew that yet deeper layers of dreams can be accessed, but only from within the dream state itself.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: Now what kind of experiences do you believe took place within those deeper layers?

EMMY: Well, it’s hard to describe, almost impossible for me to describe, but I think I went to something that is always going on there in the background, something that is going on simultaneously with the state I am in now, or when I am in a dream. It’s very hard for me to put it in words.

KRIS: In other words, you made an attempt to interpret the activities, the actions of consciousness that always occurs in the background, behind the scenes of the official line of consciousness.

EMMY: Indeed, that’s the thing I sense.

KRIS: Where there is always a constant flow of information. But it is difficult to access that flow other than in deeper layers of the dreams.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: Now dreams are always in a state of occurring, of being. You only participate in it when your attention is directed TO that stream of energy, but it never goes away, is never Offline, but always ONLINE, always available to the individuality. The idea is that you need to tune into it, and tuning into it is done through sleep.

EMMY: And I think we often travel there but mostly forget it, or are not aware of it, because it happens at this other layer simultaneously.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you remember your description of how FAST, and your fear within when you recognized that you were going so fast?

EMMY: Yes, I was going very…beyond imagination fast! (Chuckling)

KRIS: Now, it can also be that you were not necessarily going fast yourself, but that everything else was being transmitted at a rate that you were unaccustomed to, therefore it would feel FAST. There are two perspectives here: you could be running very fast, OR, like they often do when they film a movie, you could be standing still, but there are painted scenes being rolled by at very high speed, which makes it look like YOU are moving fast. And we contend that it is not only that YOU might have been moving fast, but that the information in that stream was being transmitted at a rate faster that what you are normally accustomed to.

EMMY: Yes, indeed.

KRIS: Which indicates again that this belongs to another layer of reality.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: Behind the camouflage.

EMMY: Yes! Yes, that’s the feeling I get from it also.

KRIS: This way, knowing this, this way would entice you to direct your attention to those adventures again. However, knowing that you do not necessarily have to do any fast traveling, it could be easier for you to enter those memories, those areas again, without fear since it is not you who would be doing the traveling, but that instead, you simply enter a realm where the exchanges of information occur at a rate that you are unaccustomed to. Does that make sense?

EMMY: I think it makes sense, I was a bit drifting off I’m afraid, but yes, it’s not that I am traveling very fast, but because I changed my focus or something I see different….something that I am not accustomed to see, but is there always….do you mean that also?

KRIS: What we also mean is that certain portions of your physical brain had to translate that information into its terms but at a neurological speed that is not normally made conscious. So both your physical and psychological selves participated to one degree or another in that dream. And the information itself, even though you might not remember its contents, still accessed a different kind of neurological pathway that you do not normally pay attention to. So as we were saying earlier, knowing that this IS entirely safe, you can re-visit these adventures and see what occurs next.

EMMY: Yes. Indeed. I am not sure what I will encounter….I’m feeling that it’s something that is a very important part of who I am in a way, of my existence, and it’s pretty exciting also, because I have a feeling that I will be able to safely tap into that more often in the dream state.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: But also that I will be prepared for that in a way. I noticed some other dreams also where I was being prepared for something by some teacher-like entities or beings, so there’s a lot of things going on in the background.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And it’s going very fast, but at the same time, at a pace that I CAN handle, because I trust, I have trust that it will be fun, and also it will be at a pace that I can handle.

KRIS: Always.

EMMY: Yeah, because I notice also in my dreams, they are very fulfilling, just as my waking life is also fulfilling and…..sometimes I might be confused at times, but in the end, there’s always this basic trust somewhere. And I’m not sure where I got that, but it’s there.

KRIS: All human beings are born with good intent and TRUST. When those two elements seem lost, it is only because the individual has veered away from those two pillars and has accepted mistrust and lack of good intent, both for themselves personally and for their fellow human beings. And then you have the establishment of sometimes long series of difficult challenges.

Now this would also be in line with the individual’s own long range projections and chosen challenges, but nonetheless, those two elemental pillars, born of good intent and trust, STILL operate in the background, regardless if you exert or exercise your free will to not even be aware of the two. That is why you have free will. But the return to relying and trusting that good intent, both within yourself and others, can make a RADICAL change, even when there are times that in spite of the sunshine outside, life may look dark.

EMMY: Yes. Indeed.

KRIS: Now please feel free to continue.

EMMY: I will do so. I was a bit blurry at the start of the session but I think it will go better now, without the blurriness, because I was so afraid that I would not be able to phrase things the way I wanted to, that it would become difficult to phrase things, because of that fear, probably.

KRIS: You should know by now that wording phrases perfectly would still not deter the intent of your direction and we would have no problems with you whether you are not one hundred percent wording your discussion perfectly. So you can rest assured that your worries are truly of your own making.

EMMY: That’s true. That’s something I realize now also. Yeah, because, I was thinking about…..I had this discussion with Ellen Gilbert, I’m sure you know her, and we were wondering what our connection is, between Ellen and me, because we feel there is a strong connection, because we learn a lot from each other, and Ellen recently had this dream in which she very nicely picked up all my feelings about a period I was very confused and ashamed about for awhile, about my Jim Carey period, and she had this dream where she picked up my feelings so detailed-ly, of what I was thinking back then, and I was wondering what, we were BOTH wondering, what our connections are in that regard.

KRIS: Now firstly, keep in mind that Kwaa’Ji (Ellen) is much older and mature than you are.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: So there is a foundation of life experiences well beyond your own, and at the same time, there are many aspects of YOUR experiences that bring insights into Kwaa’Ji’s own explorations of reality. So in that respect you are very complementary with each other.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: The two of you have a shared existence in what you would call the future; time frame approximately 125 or so years into the future where, in many respects, you are both continuing some of the explorations in the now, but in YOUR now, and utilizing it in a different context.

So you are both able to be of assistance to other individuals (pause) and both of your abilities to explore some of the backgrounds of reality, what motivates and drives people, their subjective experiences, are an area of your, both of your, interests.

You could, in a manner of speaking, be considered a type of therapists, where you utilize your skills in different capacities, but in complementary manner to assist those who come to you for aid. So that has its roots in what you call the “now.”

EMMY: Yes. And these roots are also growing so to say, into that future because of what we do now together?

KRIS: To some degree, yes. It establishes a foundation and some of your own discoveries, when you discuss events and situations and experiences, some of your own observations and conclusions are carried over into these other focuses of the future and then utilized in their own terms.

EMMY: Yes, I see. Similar, as when I pick up things of other focuses of mine and use that information in a way that I can use it.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Oh, that’s very interesting, because also we enjoy our conversations very much, and we learn a lot also just from voicing our experiences and discussing them together, and exploring them together. That’s very interesting. Okay, do you have more to say about that subject?

KRIS: As concerns those two focuses, not necessarily.

EMMY: Because I was also wondering….I at times have struggles with themes that pop up in my life, that seem to pop up in my life often, and one of them I discussed with you before, kind of echo things from the World War II period.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: That I’m really trying to….well, to deal with…in a manner that will be the best for me…to deal with it, and I’m sometimes confused about how to handle those impressions, but also the kind of magnet-like attraction, and also at the same time wanting to LET GO of that strong connection, but somehow there is this very strong connection, and at times I’m not sure what to do with the whole situation and I wonder if you could give me some advice on that…

Because I also watched this small snippet of an interview with this man called Elie Weisel on an Oprah show, and I was a bit confused and I asked myself before I went to sleep what I should do with the whole thing and I’m reading this book that he wrote to get a different perspective and maybe that’s already working a little bit, but I’m just not sure and…..well, maybe you could give me some advice on the whole thing.

KRIS: What are the main tools that this author is proposing?

EMMY: Uh, can you?

KRIS: What is the gist of the book?

EMMY: A portrait of…Legends of Hasidic Masters, it’s called, and it’s about their message that they had back then and how they combat sorrow with exuberance, and to nurture trust and love and that kind of thing.

KRIS: Indeed. From your own perspective, one of the major points would be for instance, to examine the underlying feelings about both Essence and focus choosing such a traumatizing set of experiences specifically with the Nazis from World War II. Not specifically looking at the experiences, but the CHOICES that were made that would have led into contact with this kind of situation, and examine how that makes you FEEL.

Is there a sense perhaps, that there is some betrayal involved? Some harm? That somehow or other Essence and focuses would make decisions that put them directly in harm’s way, and cause great pain and suffering: TRAUMA.

EMMY: Yeah…

KRIS: As we suggested at the beginning of the session concerning trust and good intent, we mentioned those two very specifically, we did not mention them haphazardly or by chance.

EMMY: No, indeed.

KRIS: This is some issues that you share with Kwaa’Ji.

EMMY: Okay, I see.

KRIS: There is still, in the back of your own awareness, a great deal of questions about how CAN you perhaps put your trust in a higher self that could decide to send a focus into such kinds of situations and conditions? So there is a form of, or perception of, not really trusting what your life is about, because if you cannot trust for another life, how can you trust for this one? Do you understand?

EMMY: I think I understand, even though I have trust in my life, and it’s a lot of fun.

KRIS: Look how far your trust extends. Are there boundaries? Do you feel that there is a psychological dropping off point, like in the old days, when there was a belief that if you went to the very edge of the world, you would fall off!

EMMY: (Chuckling) Yes, indeed. Oh, that’s a good analogy to use, also, because sometimes I am afraid of my own capacities.

KRIS: We would put that in a slightly different perspective: not afraid of your own capacities in the sense that perhaps you have more abilities, but afraid in your capacity [in the sense that] are they trustworthy? Will they lead me into another kind of gas chamber? Will my abilities betray me, cause me more suffering?

EMMY: Indeed, oh, that’s the finger on the spot.

KRIS: This is something deep that might be very healing to examine and to understand that this is not the bottom of the barrel. The very foundation of your existence, as with everyone else, IS that you are born of a good intent and that you CAN trust that. It is when you do not trust it that impulses arise from your beliefs on lack of trust to counter those impulses that would lead you in the right direction. So it is like trying to push open the door that can only be pulled open. Do you follow?

EMMY: I follow it very clearly and I feel very relieved in a way, because for the last couple of months, the last couple of years maybe, I had the feeling of running in circles with the whole thing.

KRIS: Indeed, and if you look back at the several sessions that you have had, you will see that this is not necessarily new, but it needed to build up. You as a person needed a foundation first before you can look back and see what has occurred in the past in that respect.

EMMY: Yeah….yes….because it was also…it was a theme that keeps popping up…and I think it’s indeed the underlying thing of being afraid by trusting my impulses to end up somewhere where I thought I was going and then, even though everything looked good, getting into a nasty situation in a way….or one thing that I often seem to be afraid about is….fooling myself.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: By reading something that I think is true and then to figure out that it was….that I was so foolish not to see that it was not true…and I somehow hid that belief under a lot of positive things that are happening, and I’m always saying, “Oh, everything goes fine,” and by that, I didn’t see that underlying belief that I might sabotage myself after awhile. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed, this is why this whole discussion is now occurring, so that you can put this issue to rest. You may also work with suggestions that from this point on, you need not be overly influenced or impacted by the events and the circumstances of another focus, but that instead, YOUR OWN PATH, your clarity of mind and your good intentions ARE trustworthy. You CAN trust that, regardless of what occurs, when, where and how, it IS to your advantage because your intent IS GOOD. You are of good intent.

EMMY: Yes. And I’m not fooling myself.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Ah, that’s good that you say that now, because that’s something that I wasn’t realizing that….well, I wasn’t really looking at that because I thought well, everything goes okay, I mean, my school exam went great, I got my driver’s license in one time, and I’m going to Barcelona, and everybody says, oh, that’s so cool, and it’s warm there, and it’s nice, sunny.

KRIS: And you get to eat wonderful Spanish food!

EMMY: Yes, indeed, and it’s also, from my own perspective, getting further away from being reminded of nasty times in the sense of….well…seeing World War II things around me in the street where I live.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: It’s totally different area and maybe that’s why I had that dream about a part of myself giving me this little card with his address on it and everything, which showed Barcelona on it. (Laughs) I’m hopping a bit on a totally different thing now, but do you understand what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: I had this very intense dream about a part of myself that I wanted to send away very quickly because he was not looking very healthy, then I realized it on time that I shouldn’t send him away at all. Then he gave me this little card with “Barcelona” on it and he showed me this little scar on his forehead and he said that I shouldn’t deny it [the scar] or something and then I later in the dream I saw him again and we made a very nice contact and he was doing far better than before. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: The experience I’m talking about? Oh, I have a feeling that this is a very important session, because of this seemingly small detail, but it’s a big detail to me, to realize that I can trust myself….and that I might seem to trust myself very much according to what others see or what I post or whatever, but there are times when I don’t trust myself at all.

KRIS: If you look very carefully at what you think they mean, you will notice that sometimes you listen to their comments and in the back of your mind you are thinking, “They are just flattering me. They are lying, they KNOW I have no trust, and I am putting up a front.” Is that correct?

EMMY: Yes, very, very correct.

KRIS: And that is what YOU think about yourself.

EMMY: Indeed, it’s a projection.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: I had a similar thing with my school exam, I thought, “Well, I’m getting an 8 now, which is very good, but only if they knew that I couldn’t do it, they wouldn’t have given me that mark,” or “When will they notice that I’m not good after all,” and the same issue with my old driver’s license experience where I was afraid to….well, with the thought I had after I had passed my test, I thought, “Well, I passed my test, but I didn’t really pass it; they just granted me this gift, just to please me for a little while,” or something. Not really sure how to put it in English now, but….it’s a theme that I was beginning to notice but I didn’t really dare to look in the face, I guess.

KRIS: Indeed. In many respects you are discounting yourself, putting yourself down, even when you have nice success. You think it is good to keep yourself down that way so that your ego does not get inflated.

EMMY: Indeed! (Chuckling)

KRIS: We do strongly recommend that you develop a culture of appreciation for your efforts, take credit where credit is due, and thank yourself. As we suggested to Kwaa’Ji, we also suggest to you: at least a few times a week, or even every day if you can, even if it is a small, small flower, a little daisy, a tulip, a rose, a carnation, even if it is one small flower a day, give it to yourself as recognition of your accomplishments and the beautiful way in which you create your reality through your beliefs.

EMMY: Indeed. That’s a very good idea, and I will also practice it.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: I really want to, and I have to think about this…this thing that I also have when I buy myself something? I often ruin it by trying to find a good reason outside of myself –

KRIS: Indeed! Instead of trying to find some small fault with yourself, or playing a game where you think others do not see your faults, find some nice quality in yourself.

EMMY: Indeed, well things are really getting clear now in my head, where it was a mix before. The cloud has changed to something where it has more clear sight.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Well, that’s very nice, because I was so….underlying…struggling with this and worried about going to have my education finished and then going to Barcelona because I probably would have got into this whole theme again to deal with it, I guess. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: You have a whole new set of adventures that are awaiting you. Enjoy the opportunity that many may never get in their entire lifetime.

EMMY: Indeed. That’s true. It’s a very nice thing to experience and I feel much better about the whole thing now, also because I know that if I practice…even in small steps.

KRIS: Indeed! And it is quite possible that in Barcelona, you might find entirely different kinds of pretty flowers to get for yourself!

EMMY: (Laughs) Yeah! It will be a good thing to do, to love myself more and to trust myself just as I trust other people. I can trust myself better, and being more kind to myself, because I can be so harsh.

KRIS: Be appreciative of who you are.

EMMY: Yeah, and that also reminds me that I had this friend called Esther, and I broke contact with her because she was hurting me so much over many years, and I was very much feeling ashamed or regretted this at first, that I did this to her, or to myself, or something, and I had a lot of dreams about her also, trying to make contact again. But I think it was a good thing to not continue the friendship as it was, now…I realize that she was mirroring my own self-doubt, and self….well hate maybe…at times. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And we had a longtime friendship but it was already going…not so good with that friendship for years, and I never dared to cut it off, so to say, and then I did. And I felt very uneasy about the whole thing because it was so new for me to choose for myself and to finally say to her, “Well, we are hurting each other and it would be better not to have contact, because I cannot be who you want me to be.” And getting new friendships that are based on love and respect for each other also. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: But it’s weird how it can go when you end a friendship, even though it was very nasty at times, you uh, I’m trying to find the English word for it, you often doubt afterwards if you made the right decision.

KRIS: Indeed, there is often long term denial about the state of any kind of relationship, even though the individual knows fully well they are denying what needs to be done.

EMMY: Yes, because she said to me, “Well, why can’t we work it out?” And then, I was just tired of trying to work it out and afterwards I thought, well are you allowed to just end a friendship like that? And I was really struggling with that whole thing, like shouldn’t I give her another chance, but at some point the energy is gone to try it again and again and again. Do you understand what I’m saying?

KRIS: Indeed. When this is recognized it is time to take action and you may indeed have done both yourselves a great favor.

EMMY: Indeed, because when I imagine us being friends again I feel that it is not a good idea to do that at this point. We will get stuck or something.

KRIS: The patterns will return.

EMMY: Yes. And it was really time to get rid of all those patterns and start anew. I’m also having dreams of all these new kinds of friendships and I’ve built up some very good friendships lately; I’ve learned to trust them more, having very beautiful dreams about these new contacts that I have, where I walk with them hand in hand in a very connected way, or something, like very peaceful, sunny weather dreams as I call them.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Yes, it’s very good. Is it a good idea to continue reading the Elie Weisel book?

KRIS: There is nothing wrong with the book. You need to understand where you come from and what you can do and you might find very useful information, nonetheless.

EMMY: Yeah, I’m already enjoying the book very much, even though I was very uneasy about getting the book, because…

KRIS: Remember that this is one individual’s perspective. Some may connect with you, some may not.

EMMY: Indeed. That’s true. He’s telling stories about what he thinks about those Rabbis, I guess. I was very touched when I saw him on television, this man, I’d never heard of him before and I had to cry little tears, as I call them….sometimes, I don’t know…you have different tears even (chuckles)…because I was of course also reminded of big pain, but I also knew there was a way to….another way to deal with that pain that I thought at first I had to review all those kind of nasty situations. But now I realize that that is not the way I should handle that whole theme. Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Yeah, you don’t have to dig into all those terrible situations to heal. I at first thought I had to look it in the face or something, and it was very…not healthy for me, I guess.

KRIS: Now you know there are other ways, and very healing and nurturing ways to approach your experiences.

EMMY: Yes, indeed…yeah, because I was wondering about, when somebody is hurt so much, how can somebody heal themselves? It was really a question I had, when seeing this interview with this man and….because sometimes experiences seem to be beyond imagination of horrific experiences. But I think that everybody CAN heal from those experiences, in a way.

KRIS: Indeed. Again, depending on the person’s point of view, how they want to continue playing with their beliefs. For instance, some people may feel there is benefit and profit to be made by playing the role of the victim. The other may feel there is some profit and benefit by playing the role of the perpetrator, all depending upon the beliefs that are being put together, much like a contractor brings together plumbers, electricians, architects and many other groups to put together a house. And it is even possible to make alterations to the plans. So it is important to know that you have many possibilities available.

EMMY: Indeed, it’s a very important thing to realize. And also what I like about that book, it describes a bit about the Hasidic tradition, is that these Rabbis he is describing wanted to break loose from the emphasis on suffering and more emphasis on living with joy and that you shouldn’t devolve into suffering all the time. I’m not sure how to phrase that in English at the moment, but it’s something that fascinated me, and you once told me that I had many Jewish focuses throughout many times. Now I also understand a bit in what way, and why I had them.

KRIS: Indeed, this may give you some insight into how you can put all of these things into another perspective, because there are new opportunities on the horizon for yourself and different life experiences just waiting for you to discover them.

EMMY: Indeed. I’m really feeling I’m at this very nice doorstep looking over into a nice future also, with a lot of beneficial changes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, if possible, we suggest ending our lovely discussion. You have much to think about.

EMMY: I really have, yes. And I will do that.

KRIS: Indeed then

EMMY: I will take my time with that, also. I tend to hurry at times, and I shouldn’t do that, because I heard over and over again “contemplate your reality,” and now I understand what that means.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: It means not just wanting to jump over it and not look at it, but look at it in a playful manner.

KRIS: Consider it like the children’s play blocks. This is your playground.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: Now with that, we thank you again for your consideration.

EMMY: I want to thank you very much also, because it was very helpful for me, this whole conversation, and I will buy myself flowers!

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: It’s funny that I got flowers this week.

KRIS: And take the time to smell them and enjoy them, their beauty, their colors, their shapes, their forms.

EMMY: Yes, I will sure do that. And it’s funny that I got all these signs of getting flowers and that I denied them all the time, because my sister always buys flowers for herself, and I never do so, but it’s time to honor myself.

KRIS: Indeed. And that is the key: the honoring of self. And with that we let you honor yourself.

EMMY: Thank you very much.

(Session ends.)

A Question of Age – A Private Session with Mark Bukator

April 14, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 14, 2006

[MARK'S NOTES: Today, Good Friday, April 14, 2006, Serge and I went for a walk with Kris. During the walk we had two conversations on dreams to include in our book. At the end of our walk I quickly asked the following question.]

MARK: Quick question, how old are Philip and Joseph?

KRIS: Philip has seen four cycles. Joseph has seen three. We [the Brahm Energies] encountered the remembrance of the Philip Essence energy in one of OUR OWN explorations. If you wish, visiting our own psychological museum or ‘Library of Essence’, to use flowery language, coming across this particular expression of OUR OWN energies in what can only be considered ANOTHER time and space and reacquainted ourselves with it.

During another cycle, TOGETHER, the Philip energy and our own, on another KIND of exploration in what you would simply define as some OTHER KIND OF, very remote dimension, detected a resonance that indicated that it belonged. [The Joseph Energy.] Does that make sense?

MARK: I think so… Sort of like a ‘Warp Signature’? [Laughing]

KRIS: You could say that… an ENERGY signature. Now then, allow us to return Joseph to the walk.
(Session ends)

A Private Session with Lisa (USA)

April 13, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 13, 2006

(Session begins.)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. If you desire, you can proceed.

LISA: Oh, okay. I have a sister who was asking what you thought of locational astrology?

KRIS: How does this differ from regular astrology?

LISA: I think it has to do with what place is best for you, like relocation.

KRIS: As with all forms of astrology, in each form or discipline of astrology has its own various quirks, but they are meant to allow you to capture some snapshots as it were of certain areas of your psyche providing guidelines and indicators on the roadmap of your journey and as a tool it can indeed be indispensable.

Now as we were saying, astrology in its various forms also enables you to capture snapshots of some of the contents of your own psyche, gives you an indication of a direction you are headed towards, that you are creating yourself. Astrology deals mainly with the upper or surface most areas of the human personality and though it can be most useful in many respects. It cannot as many people would like to, it cannot predict for you how your entire life direction can lead because it is not necessarily the planets themselves that carry as much an influence into the patterns of your daily life’s activities, as it is the psychological atmosphere, or if you wish, the psychic energy configuration that you utilize and manipulate at the subjective level. That carries far more influence upon your behavior because it is the energy behind what you call beliefs. That is the prime motivating factor for your action. So it is not so much that Mars or Pluto or Venus that will dictate how certain things are going to come about. Do you follow?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: But nonetheless it does offer insights, often invaluable insights into the subjective plan that you are putting into motion. It can help you bring to your conscious awareness the potential that you are laying out for yourself and that can be a useful tool in helping you recognize and organize how you are mapping out your journey. But as to say that someone would not get out of bed without reading their horoscope first shows only a total lack of self direction and a fear of taking responsibility for ones own action. Does that also make sense?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Though astrology can be indispensable in many cases, it should be put into context that the individual and his or her intent bears far more weight and influence than anything else.

In terms of utilizing astrology for locating a good or better geographical area within which to reside, again, it may give you some good indication of what could be possible for the person, but it should also be weighed with many other factors. To follow that material or information blindly, may lead into many difficulties as denying what is available to oneself. Do you follow that? So one can look at the information and weigh the pros and the cons but ultimately rely upon the deep felt intent and whether you feel it is congruent with your own feeling tones.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

LISA: Being female; I was wondering how much of myself is creating my monthly cycle and how it manifests for me every month, is it just part of being a woman, or do I have some control over that and it doesn’t have to be painful or make my moods go up and down as it cycles through the month? Or maybe it doesn’t have anything to do with my moods going up and down.

KRIS: There may be some small truths in all of what you have said. Now just as men are often brought up to restrict their emotional expressions. Women also have certain socio and cultural influences in those areas. Do you understand?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: If for instance you are accustomed to suppressing and not demonstrating some of the often considered more aggressive emotions, we’re not talking about violent emotions, just aggressiveness, which by itself is a very necessary part of life and if you are denied of that, that it is somehow or rather expected of you to always smile, be nice, never complain etcetera, etcetera. It is possible that you will utilize your cycle as a means to vent some of your own suppressed or repressed emotional tones. Does that make sense?

LISA: Yes it does.

KRIS: Very much in the same way that many people utilize the cycles of the full moon to lower some of their inhibitions and restrictions in emotional terms, and allow themselves to be less rational shall we say, during the periods of the full moon, men included. There are many other factors involved, but you get the point.

It is also possible that if some of your pre-menstrual syndromes are indeed bothersome or you find they are difficult or even painful, there are many herbs that you can utilize to assist in evening out that cycle for you. Not eliminating it, but helping you simply manage the situation. Help to balance out the influx of hormones to the system and the brain so that you feel less overwhelmed by the emotionality as a result of many of hormonal up-fluxes. Do you understand?

LISA: Yeah.

KRIS: There is a very good tincture that you may be able to purchase online. It is called Fem Restore made by an herbal company called Gaia. G-A-I-A. We believe they are in the United States, very high quality and very helpful. Secondly, do you partake of any soy products?

LISA: Soy? I don’t think so.

KRIS: Now we are not suggesting that you run out and buy tons of soy milk. That has its own drawbacks and difficulties, but if you can find and perhaps research utilizing only fermented soy products in small quantities within especially a week before up to a week after your cycle you might find that this also provides assistance and especially to increase the intake of fibers in the body.

LISA: I’m not very good about that.

KRIS: It is very important. None of the members of your race have yet developed the ability to simply direct the body to “fix” in so many words itself with but a thought. Do you understand?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Therefore the intake of fiber could prove extremely useful. We’re not simply talking about fiber to eliminate the bowels but fiber such as broccoli and other good fruits and vegetables will also prove to have a remarkable effect upon your cycles.

At the same time perhaps it might prove helpful to you, when you look up into the night sky at the time of the full moon or at any time of the moon, but more so at the time of the full moon, and perhaps allow yourself to daydream for a few moments to a time when there were two moons in the sky, which means, many, many thousands of years ago. Actually, many millions of years ago, and also contemplate what kind of other female focuses have you had in so many thousands of years that may have also spontaneously look up into the night sky, to stare at the moon, its brightness, regardless of the historical era or setting, and just get a general feel for these women, whether young, middle-aged, or older, now therein themselves may have dealt with and understood their own monthly cycles. Whether you understand the specifics, is not as important as allowing the feeling for those moments to seep through into your awareness, even in a minute amount. Do you understand?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: And allow somehow for that connection to reach through all of these females and connect with their own feminine energies. Now this may also assist you, perhaps 5 to 7 or so minutes would be sufficient for you, perhaps a little more. As soon as you feel that your connection time is at an end for that day, for that meditation, allow yourself to come back to your surroundings and pursue your daily activities. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, Thank you.

KRIS: Now it does not mean that you must neglect any of your feelings, but by developing a sense of discernment and sense of detachment, it might be easier for you to deal with your own processes, for there will be psychological, biological or physical factors involved. And in any and all cases, you can assist or help yourself along those lines. Do you follow?

LISA: Yes I do, thank you.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

LISA: I was wondering, at the workshop in California, where a few of us saw a glow around Serge. Can you explain what that was?

KRIS: Indeed, although some people perceived a different colored glow, you did manage to interpret our energies during the period of that exchange with Joseph’s own energies. Many people were surprised because normally they do not have such occurrences. Do you remember?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: But the context was close enough and intimate enough, that you and others were able to let go of some of your usual barriers and shields, and you would have seen that glow or energy field through your own energy field. There was part of your own energies involved in that process. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, it does.

KRIS: And it can even be said that it is not your eyes that necessarily perceived that energy as much as the one who looks through the eyes. Does that also make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, that’s very nice.

KRIS: For the one that looks through the eyes is what you are. You are not the eyes, nor are you the body. The eyes are attached. Your body, the eyes are an interpretation, or representation, an expression of your energies in physical terms.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

LISA: I’m having a bit of a problem in understanding the concept of “the other is you”.

KRIS: You may attempt to understand it in this session. The other is a representation often of issues either that you have not sufficiently processed in depth, as well as issues that bring you happiness. The other can be said to be a reflection of some of your energy patterns. And this does not mean that the other is not authentically themselves as well. You are authentic, they are authentic, but when they come into your field of endeavor, there is a sharing, and it is an energy manifestation. Even though the other may have their own unique and separate identity from you or anyone else, a portion of the reason they are interacting with you has to do with you and your energies. Perhaps you are creating a most glorious and happy moment or perhaps you have something more difficult to hash out and the other will come representing some of those issues. Does that make some sense to you?

LISA: Yes, it does. So you meet somebody, and they are showing you some of the issues that you need to deal with…

KRIS: Indeed.

LISA: And once you have dealt with those issues, does the other go away, or do you just see other things in them?

KRIS: You might also be seeing different things through them, things for yourself. And it does not mean that the other only comes into your life when you have a bad hair day. The other also comes into your life when you have a good hair day. Do you understand?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: Days are simply good all around. They are days. How you interpret them emotionally has to do with where you are at. Has to do with the mood of your own energy and what you are doing with it. The other may come because you are aggravated and pissed off. Or the other may come because you are joyous and happy. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes.

KRIS: When you go about your day and you have a moment to ponder this. Perhaps it is a client, an associate, a co-worker. Whatever the other person’s status, look at them, towards them, without causing a scene, lest you be called a stalker, but try and imagine what issues in your life are they representing? If they are grumpy, or in pain somehow or otherwise, and they interact directly with you, use that as an indicator just as you would utilize astrology. To figure out what part of you or your life is reflected here and that may need re-examination. Do you understand?

LISA: Yes. So in terms of a relationship, like a marriage, any issue that arises is really my own.

KRIS: As far as you are concerned because it has to deal with your own life, in any shape or form. And the issues pertinent to your partner have to do with your partner’s life. If you are somehow or rather affected in any way shape or form then you are interpreting and interacting with that energy.

LISA: Okay.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

LISA: Can you tell me more about Lauromar? (my Essence intonation) Is there something I can use to connect with Lauromar more?

KRIS: One avenue definitely to be considered and utilized is requesting dreams that show you some of that relationship so that you may understand its energy even more. You might even attempt short periods of meditation to achieve that goal and see what comes up in your mind’s eye without necessarily forcing anything. Do you understand? You might also very gently on the tip of your tongue, whilst in a nice relaxed mood, repeat the name as if it were a mantra meditation so that you might feel connecting to that energy within you. And observe the kind of images that would spring into your mind, what kind of scenes, adventures, people, etcetera that may come about.

LISA: You gave me that name at our last session, and I was wondering why it would be that name and not another name because it could be another name, right?

KRIS: There can indeed be many another names, there could be many others, that one specifically, at that time, of resonated with strong experiences for that Essence in another expression.

LISA: So in a few years from now, I could probably have a different intonation?

KRIS: That is also possible. There are two other strong life connections with other Expressions of your Essence. One is during the height of the Roman Empire where you were a young man working his way up into the administration, would have been called a civil servant. There was much record and bookkeeping, concern with statistics of one thing or another, and though that lifetime was not necessarily long lived, there was a great deal of a sense of accomplishment of keeping the order within the empire through bureaucracy. Do you understand?

LISA: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Second connection here is in France. We believe in the very first quarter of the 1700′s, during a time of the plague in a city called Marseille, where much administration, again, had to be done with large numbers of people in the city succumbing to and dying from the bubonic plague, something which you fell prey to, as well. This particular lifetime was longer lived, as well as knowing, a deep knowing that, in spite of seeing the illness, and the dying, the death all around, not everyone perished. Even though you succumbed to the third wave of the plague, you managed to survive two, and helped keep some of a semblance of order at the official level. Do you follow that?

LISA: Yes. Was that the woman?

KRIS: Both those were male.

LISA: Oh! The woman was different. Guess I’ve been around a while, huh? (joking and laughing)

KRIS: In your terms, yes. (I wonder how Kris views it, in His terms?)

LISA: Could you tell me how many cycles of Uguur?

KRIS: Your Essence has had one cycle.

LISA: Oh, so I’m young! (joking and laughing)

KRIS: Only by a few billion years. The experiences gathered during those are also very profound. Please feel free to continue.

(LISA’S NOTES: It makes sense that I would align with administrators, my work is of that kind)

LISA: I wanted to ask about my friend David, and ….

KRIS: Continue.

LISA: I guess I was wondering why I would bring him into my life.

KRIS: What is this bringing about in terms of emotions and feelings within you.

LISA: Oh, a lot. A lot. I’m projecting onto him, so many feelings, romantic sexual feelings, that I shouldn’t……..In my mind, I shouldn’t even be projecting it on to him. I guess I’m judging myself.

KRIS: In many respects, indeed. And what areas of life do you believe are, or you are not satisfied with, do you project that would be satisfied by him?

LISA: This is the same thing I’m doing with Liam in our last session. I keep wondering why I keep doing this.

KRIS: What do you think you are trying to tell yourself through these actions?

LISA: Try other things. I feel so comfortable. Like everything is just too…..

KRIS: Predictable. You are, keep in mind that you are very headstrong. You are also, or you have a feeling that you are very independent individual. And that some part of you wishes to express that independence. Wishes to explore what it is like to be free enough to determine, on your own terms what you should be able to do with your life. Does that sound familiar?

LISA: Yeah.

KRIS: There is a part of you that objects to the sense of responsibility, sense of having to be accountable in some way, there is also the possibility that at the same part of you feels that you initially became involved and married too quickly, correct?

LISA: Yes. So with these things that I create, do I just change my beliefs about that and it will go away?

KRIS: Not about that, but more about yourself, because these are reflections of your own internal, or inner actions and events.

LISA: So if I just change some of the beliefs that I have about myself, would this go away?

KRIS: Our suggestion would be to find, if possible, in your area, a practitioner of Neuro Linguistic Programming, NLP for short, and consult with this individual as to an approach to take, to harmonize, if you wish, or make congruent those very different aspects of self. Perhaps done through the auspices of inner dialog, or other methods the practitioner may have at his or her disposal, in order to assist you with your sense of balance. Do you understand?

LISA: A little bit.

KRIS: A practitioner of NLP will not tell you what to do, but instead will suggest that your own subjective self assist you to work out some of the issues and to understand what it is that you are communicating to yourself through your actions. There may be aspects of your own self that truly feel unsatisfied, and are trying to resolve the issue, but do not know specifically how to go about doing so, thus assistance may be needed.

On the one hand, there is nothing wrong with a healthy fantasy life, even a sexual fantasy life, but when it becomes somewhat obsessive and may even lead to actions that could jeopardize who and what you are, then that is also a communication that wants to say to you, you need to examine this. You cannot brush it off, and by addressing it in this manner you may indeed work out many other issues, so we highly recommend to find somewhere in your area a practitioner of neuro-linguistic programming.

LISA: Okay, I will look for that, thank you.

KRIS: Do you have another question?

LISA: Yes, you did mention that Brahm was an intonation of yours and why did you not share that with us, your experience of Brahm?

KRIS: Because there was not enough time. It would be very involved and may yet require other experiences before there is a full fledged discussion on such an issue.

LISA: Other experiences of what?

KRIS: From Joseph’s part. And we also, always try to be careful and selective so as not to create a cult to the personality but instead that the material or information be of assistance. Does that make sense to you?

LISA: Yes, it does. I was just curious about it. I guess I’ll just have to wait.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, we suggest that we return Joseph to his activities. We thank you for your lovely questions and your consideration and return you to your own Self, a Self that speaks to you through many avenues.

(Session ends.)

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