An Intimate Evening with Kris ( A Semi-Private Session)

March 28, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 28, 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alan, and Joshua

(8:12 PM)

KRIS: Now, we thank you for your consideration and participating in such a quiet and intimate evening. Your observations about the kind of teachers that are coming out of India is most interesting, as will the next wave from that still mystical land. There are many reasons why India is often viewed by the rest of the world as the birthplace of religion, especially when you consider what religion itself symbolizes in terms of archetypal structures as well as the types of people and organizations that flowed from India starting with the Chicago World’s Fair, so many years ago already.

Most of the Indian teachers were males, but not exclusively or at least were accompanied sometimes by a female student. And your second wave also saw many male teachers with the accompaniment of more women, and also set up traditional cultural structures in terms of initiations, and setting up schools, initiates, and took pupils — male and female. Now, as you have suggested, there are more females traveling from India throughout the world teaching a different side of the coin. The next wave, perhaps in twelve to fifteen years, will see something different.

The first two waves incorporated many of the standard traditions. Many were even orthodox in the lineages they represented, as was the second wave; and this third flow, bringing more of the feminine energies that are so important for a more balanced psychological stance in bringing that softer energy into the American and Western culture.

The next migration may incorporate older traditions that might even be considered secret traditions even in India, traditions that are very ancient, but are not structured like any of the first two migrations and that may incorporate teachings that are not specifically patriarchal or matriarchal, but have a more balanced structure of the two polarities in such a manner that a different kind, a more substantial teaching will come about that may again set up a different type of revolution in the thoughts that spread from that ancient land. And those very ancient traditions would have been perhaps even considered suppressed in their own land. Does that make any sense to you?

ALAN: It’s interesting. The only thing that came to mind perhaps is when you said that these were secret traditions. Even two of these female gurus or avatars have been reviving a very esoteric dimension of Tantra, a kind of Shakti Yoga involving repetition of the thousand names of Mother Divine, which apparently is one of the most esoteric and hidden kinds of traditions in Shakti Yoga or the worship of Mother Divine.

KRIS: They are laying some foundations and it is even possible that they are not as aware of what is to come after that to that degree. They have SOME awareness, and it is a different type of Tantra, much different than what the West thinks it knows and understands about Tantra. Most western people’s views about Tantra revolves around specifically the erotic and sexual aspects, which in true Tantric traditions, is the LEAST concern, though still an essential element. There is FAR more involved than the utilization of erotic energies. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: The meaning of “Tantra” — to weave together, to bring together — goes well beyond the bringing together of male and female bodies, but actually to bring together both what is considered the light and the dark of Self, the light and the shadow, the attempt being to awaken a wholesome individual, one that is aware of its own spiritual roots and sources. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes, yes. I have the impression with the Tantric practices involving the worship of Mother Divine that they’re bringing out, is that they’re very much aimed at a very integrated type of spirituality, which is even quite practical for people who are living in the world, and that is how they are described and it doesn’t really require withdrawing from one’s household or life. They’re very suitable for household.

KRIS: Indeed, eventually the notion of the divine as something separate from self, will — with time — will be done away with. Not for everyone, but the understanding that there is self and there is divine, will no longer be part of the vocabulary for many individuals. That is again, part of the principles of Tantra: bringing together.

That generates an entirely different spectrum of relationships, both at the individual level and at the collective level. We are not saying here that the old ideas of everyone merging into a great soupy oneness is the order of the day. On the contrary, there was a time when it was believed that one’s individuality, which was overly identified with the ego, had to die in order to be reborn. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: It will now be understood that this is not necessary; that in fact, all aspects of the self, all aspects of the psyche, can function together. The intellect, the rational mind, the logical mind, with the imagination, the feeling-tones and intuitions creating together an amalgam that at its core IS already whole and wholesome. The divisions that appear are just that: they are appearances; the result of ingrained and indoctrinated views that the individual is separate from anything that is larger than itself. And herein lies the problem and the challenge.

The Self knows that there are no separations, but the individual believes that there must be a separation that must be overcome, whilst in truth there are no separations. But until that is realized, one acts in accordance with one’s beliefs. That is also part of the global challenges and this is very evident now when there are strong orthodox and literal sects and religions where you have for example, Muslim orthodoxy that claim a new-found diplomacy with democracy, but at the same time are willing to deny the outcome of and the purpose of democracy simultaneously. Does that make any sense?

ALAN: So they both acknowledge democracy? I find that in Europe they’re living in many different democratic countries currently, but they’re not really integrating very well into the society.

KRIS: Indeed, because many Muslim cultures do not consider democracy as a viable option, but instead choose the words of the Imam as absolute rule, even if one were to find direct contradiction from the Koran with Imam’s words. And for that trespass, one can be put to death, for trying to use the Koran to usurp the authority of the Imam1. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: So you have a very volatile situation with a culture that is seeking to be part of the larger world culture, but at the same time is still caught in its own ancient roots, not unlike the Roman church perhaps seven, eight, nine hundred years ago where even THINKING in terms contradictory to the rules of the Church could be punishable by death. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: So this is again, an opportunity of immense dimension to observe and be part of a historical period where you see an entire people in the process of metamorphosis from caterpillar to cocoon eventually to butterfly. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Are you talking about the Muslim people?

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: There’s the prospect then, of a very radical change in their –

KRIS: It will take time, and it may even lead to much bloodshed.

ALAN: Right.

KRIS: They are not easily swayed in that respect, but there are still enough LITTLE elements within their own higher ranks. And the difficulties do not lie specifically with the higher ranks themselves, but HOW the higher rank maintains its powers by manipulating the myths and the beliefs of the common people. Does that make sense as well?

ALAN: Yes. There’s concern about….in Europe, they seem to not be well integrated into the culture and to be forming their own enclaves in countries such as Holland and France and the Scandinavian countries, and I got the sense from what I’ve been reading is that there’s a growing concern. There’s been violence, too.

MARK: Right here in Canada — was in not? — On the west coast I believe, where they tried to pass a law that they didn’t have to obey Canadian law but they could actually go to — was it the Imam? — For justice instead?

KRIS: You are speaking of Sharia.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: This was in Ontario, and at the federal level, but in Ontario specifically. It was dissolved.

MARK: Yes it was dissolved, but is that an example of … [Kris interrupts.]

KRIS: Indeed, To create a law only for their own people where public law is seen as something that does not apply to them, they only apply their own rules and Sharia law itself is not based directly upon the Koran as much as it is based upon entirely subjective interpretations from the Imams. So it is a popular law that can change with the moods, as well.

MARK: How long can that possibly last? …Because obviously there’s going to be discrepancies that pop up, especially over time.

KRIS: That all depends upon how their own groups’ authoritative figures can maintain the play. So it is a delicate issue, one that will require much consideration and your own lawmakers will have to be on the alert at all times. For example, Sharia law will deny women the rights that they are afforded in your culture.

MARK: Yes, I understand that.

KRIS: To the point where, as an extremely recent example of a husband in SLEEP, muttering the Arabic word for “divorce” three times, is considered sufficient grounds for a divorce, according to Sharia law. You can have then, some deep impact into the lives of individuals, and in such cases, the wife has absolutely no recourse.

MARK: And after a divorce, her rights go right down the hill even more so, correct?

KRIS: According to their own laws, she has none.

MARK: Right. She can’t remarry, she can’t –

KRIS: There are many, many issues involved. So your own society globally is participating in the slow emancipation of an entire culture and it will be as painful as giving birth until all groups can strike a balance, which takes much insightfulness and care. This is part of the cycles of growth within your culture as they have been occurring for centuries and millennia and cycles, over and over again, each in their own unique ways. Please feel free to continue. You need not be so quiet! [Referring to Joshua.]

(Group laughter)

ALAN: There was a passage from the book of Jeremiah that seemed to perhaps — it’s an oracle, a prophecy about the new coming events — I’ve always been very fascinated by the oracle which seems to be looking forward to someday when there is this kind of presence of God within all people in a certain way; and it says there will be no further need for anyone to teach their neighbor or brother, as they learn to know the Lord, “for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest.” And so, I’m wondering perhaps, what is foreseen by this oracle, if there’s some progress toward it with this third wave of spiritual teachers.

KRIS: Are you aware of the origins of many of the Old Testament prophets?

ALAN: No.

KRIS: Consider the many contacts and interactions of the ancient Hebrew people with all of the other various cultures of that part of the world in those ancient times. Who were their conquerors? Who did THEY conquer? Who were their neighbors? What kinds of influences were absorbed into their societies?

And even though, in Biblical writings of the Old Testament, there are ample references to these situations and the political interplay between the various nations thereof, there is still the general idea that somehow or other, the ancient Hebrew people were somehow bereft and devoid of any contact and influences with any of their neighbors in that part of the world, even though that part of the world was very much a great trade route, as well as an unbelievable melting pot of other cultures. [It was] always difficult for the ancient Hebrews to maintain their own unique identity. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Even many of their own tribes were at war, one with the other. One would conquer; tribe A would conquer tribe B, tribe B would conquer tribe C, tribe C would conquer back tribe A, and so on and so forth. And many of these ancient tribes were polytheistic and very often, a vanquished God and his people were allowed a certain degree of valor by not completely destroying that entire belief system, but instead, allowing the old to become the mouthpiece for the new. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Very often those that were considered “prophets” quote unquote were spared their life by giving up their old ways to proclaim the new ways. Many of their neighbors conquered the Hebrews; many turning them into slaves or sparing their lives for political, social, and financial reasons. And whenever there was a wave of invasions and conquering, there was also an increase in proclamations and prophesying; sometimes to give hope to the conquered group that there will be a day of reckoning somewhere along the line — freedom will come once again — as it usually did.

There were also many trade routes cutting through this part of the world, and ancient travelers, priests, representatives of foreign lands and their religions, often traveled through that part of the world with its connection to Egypt and other great nations. There have been many different types of Buddhas, the most popular of course the Gautama, the Golden Buddha, who crystallized the ideal of Buddha-hood; but there many travelers — monks — from older Buddhist traditions that flowed not only into that part of the world, but into many other parts, both East and West.

And there were other GREAT nations — South, as well – from African nations, many of which have disappeared over time — there was much trade with, and stories and travelers from ancient Phoenician routes. So there were many, many influences that colored the beliefs. One of their greatest neighbors, the Egyptians, also had a powerful influence into the outcome of later Hebrew traditions.

The idea of the Trinity, for example, stems from ancient Egypt, as do many, many other things that eventually found their way into the New Testament from the Old and many such things are not necessarily understood by the laity and the general populace, though some academics are beginning to understand the deep roots that eventually flowered into the great culture that gave you the Judeo-Christian traditions that today is still considered the largest religious organization on your world, followed by the Muslims. And both claim the same roots, more or less.

So they are often — or can be considered — mirrors one to another, though neither would necessarily agree to that. So the context of your observation in that Old Testament text has references specifically to its own time period, though we also understand how these books and stories and myths can be used to try and project the outcome of future events to one degree or another. And it is as good a source of prophesying as anything else, certainly much better than some of the ancient Greek traditions of scrying the liver of freshly-killed sheep! A practice that, thankfully, is almost non-existent today. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 8:50.

KRIS: May we suggest a small break?

MARK: Okay.

(Break begins at 8:50)

ALAN: I was wanting to ask something from my Seth reading. Have you read any of those new [Seth] books?

SERGE: I read a few of the first set that came out — those were the unpublished [sessions] — and I kind of lost interest when they got into the envelope tests. Those were boring.

ALAN: They document all of those?

SERGE: Yeah, it’s ALL there. It was the first 500 sessions, and after that they released the deleted sessions, the private sessions.

ALAN: Oh, right, right! Have you read those?

SERGE: Just some excerpts here and there.

ALAN: Are those worth obtaining? Is there interesting material there?

SERGE: There is interesting material there, because it shows you the very beginnings of the struggles that Jane and Rob went through in understanding it for themselves and how it really, I think, shattered their lives — not in a bad way — but in a way where they kind of had to put everything into a different context.

ALAN: Yeah, I’m sure.

SERGE: And then of course they had their own struggles and problems and challenges, and Jane had her own issues, especially dealing with…and actually — the main lady who does all our transcribing in Delaware — she wrote an article, it’s on Paul’s website. She was thinking about the session she had just transcribed where Kris talked about……well, there was a question about “What is Enlightenment?” and Kris gave as an example, that enlightenment really is very different than what we think — what the popular idea of enlightenment is.

ALAN: Oh, interesting!

SERGE: And he said, for example, that he would consider Jane Roberts to be enlightened.

ALAN: Ah!

SERGE: You know, everybody thinks that once you’re enlightened you should not think — from Kris’ perspective, before enlightenment, you go to the bathroom and you stink; after enlightenment, same thing — you know, some people think that’s not going to happen.

So Ellen, who’s extremely intelligent, started thinking and using that, and it helped her see the whole idea of enlightenment in a totally different light and she came to understand that yes, there were parts of Jane’s life where she WAS enlightened and really connected to Source, but there were other parts where she was not, she had problems. And this all came about because she got a splinter in her finger, and she wrote a whole article, it’s really deep stuff. If you like I can send you a link to the article and you can print it out, it’s very good stuff.

ALAN: Where Kris talks about enlightenment?

SERGE: And what Ellen did with that information and how she came to view it as something very different.

[Ellen's Essay]

ALAN: Oh, yeah that would be good.

SERGE: I think a popular idea of enlightenment is like, you know, you become almost angelic, walk on water –

MARK: Like the guru sitting on the mountain.

ALAN: Right, yeah, and I remember even in this discourse, this session he just did tonight, with reference to people thinking the ego is just going to dissolve, but really is going to be something different; it’ll be like an integral wholeness.

MARK: People find it hard to fathom that for example, a housewife in central USA with three kids can be enlightened.

ALAN: Yeah, yeah.

MARK: You know, they think that all of your challenges go away and –

SERGE: You walk down the street and (claps hands) you heal everyone! As you go by, roses fall in the street.

MARK: It’s funny, what people think about enlightenment.

ALAN: I’ve often — when I was reading the Seth books at times — I felt a wish to know what Jane Roberts had gone through and what her struggles had been; [I've wanted] to get more into her personal psyche.

MARK: I had not read any of the Seth books; I’ve read two of the three Oversoul Seven books. I started to read Seth Speaks right after I met Serge.

SERGE: (Pulling out Speaking of Jane Roberts by Sue Watkins) This was written by Sue Watkins, who was a personal friend of Jane Roberts, and she participated in many of the classes. When [this book] came out, a lot of people got angry.

ALAN: Oh?

SERGE: Basically [the feeling was] “How DARE you humanize Jane! She was our goddess, and you’re making her look like she had moments where she was a bitch!” Well, she was!

MARK: (Chuckles)

SERGE: She could swear a sailor under the table if she wanted to. And she had no hesitation, if she didn’t like you, if she thought you were really impinging on her patience — “Get the hell out of my face!” — End of story, you know. She smoked, she would have a beer, and people said, “Oh my God! How could you do that?” Well, she was HUMAN, you know?

So when Sue kind of revealed that Jane was a human being after all, then people felt doubly betrayed. First of all, in 1984, Jane died, well [some thought] “How could you do that to me? Then you [Sue] come out with THAT, where you make her into a human being, who had real problems?” (Serge laughs) And you know, she didn’t want kids, she felt it would hinder whatever she did.

ALAN: Well, it’s interesting, I understand that totally!

(Laughter)

SERGE: It’s a GOOD book. Go ahead and take and read that. And Sue is a GOOD writer! She’s got a writing style I admire.

ALAN: Oh, I’ve long felt curious about what she was like when –

SERGE: Yeah, what goes on behind that door when it’s closed, when they’re not in the public eye. And they had their moments, and to me — I’ve known so many people over the years who would get bothered by Rob’s notes, get turned off by them — I loved them! I thought it really put everything in context. It showed me that this was part of their life; they weren’t super human beings, they were people trying to cope with this phenomenon that they had — two or three times a week in their living room, and they’re publishing books out of this stuff and yet still tried to live their own life and meet their own challenges.

ALAN: Indeed, and their economic circumstances seemed to be quite challenging.

SERGE: Oh, at the beginning she was going around selling knives and Avon and whatever else you want — so they had it hard. And she always had in the background, this thing with her mother; and this is the one thing that in the last books that Seth put out, The Way Towards Health, and The Magical Approach .

ALAN: Yeah, I read that quite recently — her deterioration.

SERGE: Yeah, Ellen’s article also addresses some of the things in there, and she brings out all of this trouble, all of these physical symptoms and her deteriorating body, which was due to one thing: her problem with her mother. And Jane realized it, but just a short while before she died, she was already gone too far. She could have turned around, but you know … [she'd made the decision] “I’m going.”

ALAN: Really? But she could have — it was a psychological –?

SERGE: She made a choice.

ALAN: Yeah.

SERGE: But she did realize what it all — oh, and in fact, Rob — saying “Is THAT what all of this was about?” He was pissed, you know, because this was killing his wife, and it was all about that issue with her mother.

ALAN: Right, yeah.

SERGE: So it was a big, big deal that consumed her in the end.

ALAN: Yeah, and it must have been devastating to Rob to lose her.

MARK: To lose Jane AND to lose Seth!

SERGE: Yeah, lost them in one blow.

ALAN: OH! Yeah…

MARK: Serge went into a coma two years ago April, and the thoughts that go through your mind –! You know? To lose one…but to lose two –!

ALAN: Oh, yeah, when your whole life is involved –

MARK: To lose your partner and your best friend.

ALAN: He remarried didn’t he?

SERGE: Yeah, he left Elmira to go back to his hometown of Sayre, Pennsylvania; bought a house there.

ALAN: I was reading about ancient Greek philosophy, and there was a channeled text called the Chaldean Oracle.

SERGE: Chaldea is from the Israel area?

ALAN: The Near East somewhere, it was more like Turkey, I think; but it was regarded virtually as scripture by the Neo-Platonists. There are some interesting articles about it that it does seem to be a kind of channeled text.

[Link # 1 to Chaldea]
[Link # 2 to Chaldea]

MARK: Well, channeling is a phenomenon that’s been around as long as there have been people. We always get information and have access to Source. Source will always be looking out for you, and it will always find ways to communicate with you. (Kris returns) Here we go.

(Kris returns at 9:06 PM)

KRIS: In that respect, Philip is correct. People have been in communication with Source literally forever, depending upon the times, the cultures and the personal backgrounds, that material may be filtered through a series of belief structures and it will also be pertinent to some of the times and places. And what may apply to one group may NOT necessarily apply to another, except when a small group decides that their message should sweep the Earth and apply to everyone clear across the board.

The problem with such an attitude is that often there is resistance, even extreme resistance to the new message when individual and national egos become over-inflated and they STORM the Earth with their message and often that message is given under condition, “You accept our message and we will not slice your throat, you do not accept our message, and we will consider it your good fortune to die by our sword this day, to save you.”

MARK: (Dryly humorous) I never thought of using that marketing strategy.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Does that sound familiar? It has been used by many religions. With such a storm come political implications and the building of conquered nations, with the idea that the conquered have now been saved until one day the conquerors themselves become the conquered by another wave, and so on and so forth.

So it is hoped that in the years, the decades and the centuries to come, humankind will have learned from the past and recognized that it is not ONE individual who gives a message for all, that instead, all individuals have the capacity to understand the communications from Source. That will mean that to some degree the elimination of many of the religious dictatorships that now are predominant still that insist that the individual HAS to have an intermediary to the Divine because the Divine has told us that this is needed! It is very good business, is it not?

And that is the point of much of this Shift that humankind itself is undergoing, to move away from those authoritative structures which actually represent the authority of Self, encapsulated within small groups that claim dominion over large crowds. Do you follow?

ALAN: Indeed, yes.

KRIS: (Ironically) So sad as it may be to say, there will come a day when the priests WILL hang up their robes.

ALAN: It’s interesting that you say that, because that passage from Jeremiah that I read earlier, all of the commentaries agree that that is exactly what it foresees, that there will come a time when an external religious structure and priests and instruction is no longer necessary.

KRIS: As we have said, Source has been communicating with humankind for a LONG time.

MARK: (Chuckling) Notice the smirk on his face?

KRIS: There are many — we wish to be careful in saying this — there are many bleed-throughs found in many different scriptural writings in many different religions. Almost all religious bodies and their sacred texts have built into them such warnings and prophecies, because there is an understanding that when there is the establishment of a formal, political religious body that gains prominence, the original messages will become distorted. Thus there are built-in landmarks in written form that seek to bring out balance in the long run. Does that make some sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: There are little red flags and they are to be found in almost all of the major religions’ books and writings and unless one steps out of that environment, or is not part of the immediate enclave, such messages may be hard to glimpse. They may even be deliberately interpreted as something else. Do you follow that? Because there is a deep human psychological understanding that, in spite of humankind’s religious establishments, and despite and in spite of orthodox teachings, each human being has within himself or herself a direct link to the Divine because that individual is an Expression of Essence — that which you consider Divine. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: So eventually humans — though it may take many decades, years, if not ages — human beings will revolt against the idea that they are not allowed that communication, because they intuit that it exists within themselves in all of the ages. And when we say “ages” we are not specifically referring to your Nuclear Age, Industrial Age, Age of Iron, Age of Bronze –

MARK: (Humorously) Age of Aquarius!

KRIS: — or any of these things. This particular, and all other human ages and cycles, have seen the same phenomenon over and over, so it is a natural propensity to set up religious organizations as a means to address those deeper issues within selfhood, until the collective takes down what it has built. Does that make some sense to all three of you?

MARK: Yes, it does, and it also raises questions about the necessity — I remember talking to the Netjer, and they said how we’re very repetitive in all the different ages. [Link to Netjers]

KRIS: Why do you think that is?

MARK: Well, there’s an order of play, obviously.

KRIS: What IS that order of play?

MARK: There’s infancy, a learning period, an adolescent period and eventually a mature period in any civilization or culture. So there’s growth. There are also obviously reflections of Essence in everything that we create, so we’re trying to interpret these concepts that are beyond our understandings. But why do we keep repeating them in every age?

KRIS: Because you are not always the same individual. You could say just as there are waves of teachers from India, there are waves of Expressions of Essence that come to undergo certain processes. So the structures with all of the belief systems are in place for these souls, literally, to come and undergo their own processes. So these structures are necessary until they take them down; until such a time as another wave — Expressions of Essence — take physical form, go through their own processes, take down the structures and move on — for the NEXT wave to come in, use the structures, take them down, and move on. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Yes. It just SEEMED to me that the Netjers sounded…disappointed…that we keep repeating the cycle.

KRIS: That is YOUR interpretation.

MARK: (Chuckling) I’m realizing that!

KRIS: These cycles are necessary in exactly the same manner that it is necessary for the human individual to undertake the birth process, youth, adolescence, adulthood, old age. It is never reversed. You do not see a ninety-year-old born to become a sixty-year-old, a fifty-year-old, a twenty-year-old, a two-year-old and then return to the womb. That is an order of play and it is important because even that process is part of the experiences from which you learn what you have come to get out of physical life.

MARK: I’m also flipping back a little bit to last Sunday: the Uguur moment where the Uguur fell into that trance to experience in that moment all possible expressions and emotions and — I know I’m not wording this right, but — in that one moment – to feel, expressing all of what it could FEEL in that one moment. So that order of play obviously, in order to express it all, experience it all, needs to take place.

KRIS: Indeed, imagine if for a very long time, you had no sight. You do not know through your eyes what shapes are. You only know them through your fingers. You do not know what colors are. You do not know what a blue, open sky is like, regardless if someone interprets it for you. And one day you regain your sight! That moment would almost consume you because the DESIRE would be to see as many things as possible all at once.

MARK: Right.

KRIS: And that intent moment is infinitesimal compared to the Uguur in THEIR moment of complete absorption into the experience that is theirs alone that literally triggers the birth or creation of such a vast display of matter in order to express — and we need to be careful here: matter is not the only way that the Uguur express.

MARK: I understand that.

KRIS: That is only ONE offshoot, potential. If you consider that the potentials are literally endless, then, the physical manifestations themselves are rather ordinary compared to the rest. Does that make sense as well?

MARK: Yes, yes.

KRIS: So we understand the human need to feel so very special!

MARK: (Chuckling)

KRIS: And yes you are, but you are not the only special thing. Please continue.

ALAN: There were some passages in Seth about telepathy and the sort of larger framework, non-physical framework, in which that occurs, that I just wanted to make reference to. He said the soul is open-ended, it’s not a closed spiritual or psychic system; telepathy does exist, others are aware to a large extent of what you are thinking and feeling.

(Reading) “You operate as if your thoughts were secret, though you should know by now that they are not. All of existence and consciousness is interwoven. Only when you think of the soul as something different, separate, and therefore closed are you led to consider a separate God or personality that seems to be a part of your creation.”

There seems to be a suggestion that there’s some kind of — I would use the term “inter-subjectivity,” — which is almost transcendent and all-pervasive that we’re not perhaps normally fully aware of.

KRIS: Indeed, at this present point in your human evolution, your own neurological structures are not able to accommodate that influx of communications, BUT you can prime yourselves by firstly, acknowledging that this is a potential that exists as surely as the sun rises and sets every day, and begin to look for the moments where coincidences no longer are coincidences, but become overwhelmingly factual. Do you follow?

ALAN: Oh, yes.

KRIS: Simply by making allowances for such a possibility opens the door, and your own already telepathic nature kicks in without trampling over that precious ego until such a time as it can be educated into those very experiences itself. So that it knows it is not isolated, but that it rests upon a vast network of communications – the Self, its own Source, a part of that vast network.

And it becomes easier and easier to notice then, that intuitiveness is all around. It can become indeed an area of great joy and self-discovery and it can start in such simple things as noticing. Very often, people you have not seen for a long time and today have thought about them for some reason, somehow or other start appearing in your life.

You may think about so-and-so, and lo and behold, they call. You go shopping, you turn in the aisle, and who do you bump into but so-and-so you were thinking of just this morning, after not hearing from them for months. And so many other such incidences can cascade into the field of your experience that you can make a choice to consider that this is far too bizarre and must close the door once again to protect our sense that obviously this is all pure coincidence and has nothing else to do with your life OR it is a demonstration that something else is occurring just underneath the official layer of consciousness and that this layer of official consciousness truly is much like elastic Swiss cheese. When it rests in the normal position, it looks firm, but stretch it a little bit and this elastic Swiss cheese really shows that it is filled with holes. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yeah.

KRIS: Human beings — subjectively, unconsciously — are aware, but because it is considered the realm of psychiatric disturbance to explore this, for many then, the doors are shut. But little by little, this is gaining momentum and it will be such a day that there is no refuting the evidence for the individual that indeed there is more to life than the logical, rational, intellectual mind; that by itself, these three aspects of the mind cannot live long without their counterpart, especially the imagination. For without that, the mathematician cannot imagine his formula. So there is no sense deriding the imagination as the realm of silly children. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Even your greatest scientist, Albert Einstein, made many references to the intuitions and to the imagination in particular. (Pause) Please continue.

ALAN: It’s interesting that I was reading another of Seth’s comments that he is foreseeing a social change coming about as an emergence of this continuity of consciousness which is just under the surface so it becomes more explicit and he says, “an open-ended consciousness will feel its connection with all other living beings. The continuity of consciousness will become apparent. As a result of all this, the social and governmental structures will change for they are based on your current beliefs.”

I thought that was interesting – the reference to the need for changing social and governmental structures to accommodate the emergence. What would you say about that?

KRIS: We would rather look at it from the other direction: that as a natural fruit of growing awareness, the social and governmental structures will be altered as an outcropping of that growth in consciousness. Thus they will change to reflect the current beliefs of that time. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yeah, uh…

KRIS: The governments always reflect the psyches of its people, both locally, nationally, internationally, and globally. Once the changes start occurring and cascading, then the governments will follow suit and change to reflect the current psyche.

MARK: Imagine civilization that’s not based on consumerism. How drastically different that’s going to be?

KRIS: Do not tell that to the people of Halliburton. [Dick Cheney's company.]

MARK: (Laughs)

KRIS: They MIGHT not enjoy that!

ALAN: Is there some way this can be facilitated? You know, through….actively….

KRIS: Whether it is realized or not, as we have hinted at, every human being is aware, even if only subjectively. Thus, there are incremental and integrative actions being taken, even if they are microscopic at this time, it is irrelevant, because there is momentum being produced. Consider the butterfly effect. You have psychological butterfly effects as well, and THESE butterflies have far more impact — the psychological butterflies.

MARK: Sometimes you need to take a step backward in order to go two steps forward; and if you look at the current administration in the United States, they seem to have taken the United States, and much of the world, quite a few steps backward. They’re extreme right-wing BUT how is that being reflected in the people? I think it’s creating a desire for change. That we don’t want to go that route, so I’m seeing it as a step forward, a catalyst.

KRIS: According to your physical senses you are presently sitting in a room that is part of a dwelling that is separate from other dwellings and even separate from other rooms to a certain degree, this dwelling, separate from other dwellings, and separate from the dwellings in other areas and even in other cities.

And yet, beneath that sensory perception is another type of venture with consciousness that the units of consciousness that compose — the atoms and molecules that compose, the materials that compose — the elements of the structure are LINKED to all other units of consciousness that compose all of the other atoms and molecules that compose ALL OF THE OTHER elements and materials ALL OVER THIS PLANET.

That there is an incredibly vast network and system of a different kind of awareness that each human being, and even each life form is aware of its participation in that process. But because you believe collectively that you are separate from others, thus you are separate from Source, it is difficult to see through that veil of understanding, but as we suggested moments ago, small incidences, LITTLE coincidences, can gather momentum until you come to that fork in the road where you can make a choice to accept or reject the phenomenon itself.

By rejecting it, the phenomenon does not go away, and it does not stop. It still occurs, but you simply close the door upon it and deny it, pooh-pooh it away as mere silly coincidences, old wives’ tales and granny stories. Things that are not to be considered having any validity whatsoever, because if it WAS given validity, it would upset the natural order of things! Which has nothing to do with the order of play.

MARK: (Chuckles)

KRIS: But upset the way things are, which should be the way things have always been and should be the way things will always be – ! – But that is the lie. Do you not agree?

ALAN: There are certain concepts in quantum mechanics like non-locality and quantum entanglement, where all things at the primordial level are interconnected, which has some relationship to what you’re saying.

KRIS: Indeed. Even your own selves, as lovely as they are, are not limited to occupying some real estate in space and time in this moment. If you listen to us talking long enough and allow yourself to drift away, you think somehow or other you are either daydreaming or entering a fantasy of some kind where there is inner dialog, but if you paid attention, you might even notice that your own form can be in a different location, geographical, psychological. With enough abilities you would notice that BI…TRI…and MULTI….location is a natural propensity of your consciousness.

That you can be in more than one, two, several or multiple locations at once, but you do not usually consider it, focusing MOSTLY on the interaction of your senses with the environment without considering that you may indeed have senses elsewhere; directly elsewhere. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: It takes practice to be able to literally alter your focus from one sensory interaction towards another kind of sensory interaction, which may even be in a different location, a different time and space even. Other focuses of Essence, other Expressions of Essence. That you are simultaneously involved in the twelfth century, perhaps as a hermit in a Coptic group somewhere, simultaneously involved in an existence as a geisha in ancient China as well as simultaneously engaged as a scientist in a laboratory in the 30th century in some other place.

But practice will enable you to become aware of such things. And that naturally produces an expansion of consciousness and edges you closer to remembering the potential of Essence. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Please continue.

ALAN: Just in view of the passages from Seth I have been reading and what you have been saying, are we evolving into what I would call a mutually telepathic society?

KRIS: That is definitely the potential. And not everyone may decide to participate in such an experiment, but you may have many groups that make the choice and even with all of the teachings along those lines, because the present logical, rational, intellectual worldview is still predominant, even those who profess such interests OFTEN find themselves in a quandary of wanting to share in those experiences but are also afraid to be considered crackpots and rejected by their peers and loved ones for it. For, after all, one must keep a level head, should one not?

ALAN: Right, there’s the pressure to be socially acceptable.

KRIS: Indeed, even those who may have the strongest personal experiences and evidence might easily reject all of that, basically discount and deny Self to be part of the group. These are compromises that have to be taken into consideration.

MARK: That’s a big one, isn’t it? For most beliefs that people are trying to change, there’s also fitting in.

KRIS: Indeed. Many people — the majority women, but many men as well — who read the Seth material, Elias, ourselves, or others, suddenly throw the doors open to inner experiences will then come up against (Kris claps his hands together) a BRICK WALL of family consensus and you have situations like, “Daddy? Is Mommy going crazy? Is she really seeing people we do not see?” And so on and so forth.

Many marriages have been broken, but many more have decided to return to their former position of denial in order to not rock the boat. And it is very often those who have shut the doors, even after STRONG personal experiences and evidence that may become the strongest advocates of NOT opening those doors for others, much like a reformed smoker becomes militant. Do you understand?

MARK: Oh, yes.

KRIS: Does that answer some of your question?

ALAN: Yes. Is it possible that this experience or the possibility of this experience could be communicated in a literary form somewhat wisely so a kind of shift of consciousness could come about?

KRIS: Indeed. There are many different, very well written books that are cast in the form of fiction, or novels, or fictional novels, or variations thereof that do stimulate the mind to ponder the possibilities. There are films aplenty that begin to explore the topics, sometimes may have to soften their methods, but still get it across, for after all, there are investors to please, but there are many, many possibilities. Plays are another one.

All of the art forms that can be utilized to convey those inner teachings, the idea is to fan the flame so to speak. Not in an incendiary manner, not in a zealot manner, but rather to encourage the individual to step over that threshold into the unknown, even if for a brief moment. Get to explore who and what that unknown self is, that self that is intuitive, telepathic, knowledgeable, connected to Source. And even if their entire lives are only transformed for a few minutes or hours, again, do not underestimate the collective, psychological butterfly effect. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Oh, very much so, very interesting.

KRIS: If the mythmakers, those who ride the myths and become your religions, can utilize characters — as they have ALL done — to transform the individual and bring them that one step closer to the numinous, then indeed anyone may follow in their footsteps. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Oh yes.

KRIS: This is a process that has been utilized for billions of years, both in your reality and others. In many different ways, even, to communicate that which the myth speaks of. What the myth is and what the myth speaks of turn out to be two different things. There is what the individual will intellectualize and interpret, there is that portion of the myth that will still reach their own subjective experience and transform them from the inside out. The creation of myths, as we’ve said, has been with your species and others for billions of years.

And it is a process that works wonderfully well, to the point where sometimes it is difficult for you to know that ALL of the aspects of your lives, even what you consider your governments, and rock-bed reality, your legal systems, your medical systems, etc. are also myths that you make. Your civilizations themselves are another kind of myth — one that you live very directly.

You are accustomed to thinking of myths as something that exists only with forgotten civilizations and cultures: the myths of the Greeks, and the Egyptians, but you do not see that you yourselves are living a modern myth. And we utilize the word “myth” in its highest sense here, not merely as an old wives’ tale or something that does not really exist. Do you understand?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Please continue.

ALAN: It’s a kind of a structure then, which we are so embedded in that it’s hard to make it objective.

KRIS: Indeed. It is like being within the forest. You may see the trees, but you do not see the forest. And there are times when you see the forest, but do not see the trees, until you run smack into one.

ALAN: There is a kind of drift away from organized religion that (garbled words) especially I think, and I’m wondering if there needs to be a new myth in a certain way that has to be more secular, or — a different explicitation of this larger structure that we are involved in.

KRIS: Indeed, in that you are correct. We would say that people are recognizing that the religious myths that have been part of their heritage now for a long time, are simply no longer cutting it. They sense that there is something bigger than the myths that they have been told and lived with all their lives, but they are also forbidden by the proponents of that faith to investigate anything else. And those myths themselves create isolation.

“Only those who believe this story are to be the true saved ones and they will be privy to the truth, and everyone else is going straight to hell in a hand basket, because they do not follow the way.” And the curious thing is, all of the other ones are saying exactly the same thing, but they pretend not to. People are aware, and depending upon their level of indoctrination, it may as well remain merely at the deep unconscious level, or it may percolate through the levels, directly to full conscious recognition.

Now some come to a certain level of recognition and cast out the baby with the bath water. And that is part of their experience at that moment, but our suggestion would be indeed that one can observe ALL of the myths that are before you and recognize that indeed they contain kernels of truth; a truth that is bigger than all of them put together, that spans far greater ranges of time and space and human history than those myths portend.

Beneath that are other myths that are slowly percolating to the surface and it may take quite some time indeed for all of it to coalesce and begin forming that which will be needed, that will embrace all of those other myths who thought they were unique and secular. Do you understand? But this will take time. You will not see it in your lifetime. But the seeds and the foundations are being laid. Discoveries in the frontier of human consciousness are being made all the time and when it reaches its crescendo, then indeed, a new vision will begin to take hold.

A different understanding — especially that which you broached earlier: a developing awareness of that deep, intuitive, larger selfhood which will begin to slowly manifest itself as it trickles and literally floods the world’s systems. But that is not going to be a revolution in the traditional sense of the word, but rather a revolution in human consciousness which will follow suit with altered governments — a government that does not seek to play its people for all they can get, but that actually seeks to provide a nurturing engine so it reflects the nature of this growing mythology. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Many people in ages past have caught glimpses. Some of the great thinkers of the past, the visionary, philosophers, even mystics, each have caught glimpses of that potential, but may again have interpreted it within the filters of their times. But once you begin to explore in this way, it is easier to spot the connections — to connect the dots — and see that this is a process that has already been active for hundreds if not thousands of years. Please continue.

ALAN: There was a description in Plato’s Republic2 of the ideal city called the Republic and there was an attempt to think about an ideal state which was structured on the divinization of the soul — the participation of the soul in the One — and this was back in the fourth or fifth century AD, so it was a very ancient conception of an ideal society and how it would come about based on philosophical fiction, but this was, again, suppressed by the Church.

KRIS: Indeed. “Do not give the peasants any ideas lest they see that we may have been cheating them!” So it is understandable. If you look at and examine some of the social structuring within the context of many older aboriginal people all over the planet, you will notice that they have more unifying factors than you could possibly shake a stick at, even groups that may appear to have never been in contact with each other and even be on different continents, but always a respect for the individual and his or her journey and a deep connection with nature and the cosmos. And that the individual being — the human being — is a reflection of the cosmos, and that in turn, the cosmos is a reflection of the human being. Almost all the ancient cultures had their variations on these themes and we believe it can be a worthwhile endeavor to re-examine those kinds of structures. It does not mean that their societies were ideal in the sense that they were all lovey-dovey “Peace, Man!” type societies.

They had their challenges as well, but they made concerted efforts to honor themselves, the Earth, the cosmos, because they saw themselves as not only integral to the whole chain of being, but that they, as humans, represented the emerging cosmos. They tried to live in balance and harmony with that cosmos, a cosmos they knew they were part of, surely as they knew they were part of the rain and the trees, and the forest and the river and not something separate and foreign from that environment. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: It is why, in many respects, the Church has made great efforts under the guise of conversion to flow into the North and South American continent, into Africa, and to do their deed, because you cannot have people believe that they are part of their environment and their cosmos for surely they would perish if they did not fall down on their knees before the priests and the books. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: Now that is not necessarily the intent of the priest who goes converting, but there is a larger intent at play, and if the Aboriginals [are] left to their own devices it will upset that order of things, and it would not do to let people connect directly to the Kachina — the Great Spirit, because surely they too must be filled with sin, and if they do not believe it, we will prove it to them! We will beat them until they acknowledge that they are sinful creatures. Then we will save them from their sin.

It is called….what is that business practice?

(Pause)

Supply and demand! Supply the sins, demand the salvation! It is very efficient! It has maintained the largest religious body on the planet.

ALAN: It’s as though you have to condition someone so that they need what you have to give.

KRIS: Indeed. Convince them they are soulful, sinful beings and then give them the salvation.

Now, what is the time?

MARK: 10:13

KRIS: Then we believe that, if you are all in agreement, we should return Joseph to physical self. With that, we thank you all for your lovely selves and for tolerating our unusual voice this evening.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

ENDNOTES:.

1 MARK’S NOTES: An Imam is a Muslim leader of the line of Ali held by Shiites to be the divinely appointed, sinless, infallible successors of Muhammed.

2 JOSHUA’S NOTES: “The most famous of Plato’s dialogues is an immense dialogue called The Republic and next to his account of Socrates’ trial, The Apology , The Republic is one of the single most influential works in Western philosophy. Essentially, it deals with the central problem of how to live a good life; this inquiry is shaped into the parallel questions (a) what is justice in the State, or what would an ideal State be like, and (b) what is a just individual? Naturally these questions also encompass many others, such as how the citizens of a state should be educated, what kinds of arts should be encouraged, what form its government should take, who should do the governing and for what rewards, what is the nature of the soul, and finally what (if any) divine sanctions and afterlife should be thought to exist. The dialogue, then, covers just about every aspect of Plato’s thought. There are several central aspects to the dialogue that sum up Platonic thought extremely well: a.) what the nature of justice is; b.) the nature of an ideal republic; and c.) the allegory of the cave and the divided line, both of which explain Plato’s theory of forms” [http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GREECE/PLATO.HTM].

Monkeylution II – Consciousness

March 26, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 26, 2006

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Myrna, John, Michelle, Jo, Paul, Ester, Robin, Ellen, Brian, Cathy, Tom, Debbie, Anya, Ella, Steve, and Lisa

(Session begins at 7:47 PM)

KRIS: [Kris begins speaking slowly, intently and deliberately] Now we thank you for your consideration and we wish to reiterate once again that this information need not be considered in any kind of absolute terms, and at best, our request is that you allow it to play itself out. It is important to keep in mind that this particular discussion may answer some questions, but it should also spark within your awareness so many more questions.

This discussion centers around the origins of life, the origins of species, and your own in particular. For the last few thousand years, your knowledge and information concerning the origins of life and of your own selves in particular had at its source — as you were told — had at its source a Divine Being. Over the last few hundred years, the mainstay of that information has seen major upheavals and transformations. You began to question the origins of life in a context different from religious and biblical interpretations.

Many who dared voice such questions often paid the price with their lives not so many years back. Eventually you all ventured as a collective, further away from those supposed proofs and started formulating a different scenario, a different kind of mythology, where divine origins, divine beings were no longer part of the picture, but where a different process was enacted. And it seemed that this process — according to the new MYTHOLOGY1 — it seemed that this process happened quite by chance, that somehow or other, under just the right accidental, haphazard conditions, the spark of life was infused within a random arrangement of proteins and molecules and so on, which gave rise to life as you now know it.

Again, over these last few hundred years, this mythology has gathered momentum. It has now become entrenched into your cultures and into your psyche, so much so that it is often considered taboo to question the infallibility of this mythology even though the premises upon which it is built, this theory, supposes that questions, investigation, debate, are paramount and essential to the understanding of this new mythology. And over the last few decades, you see a phenomenon where this theory and mythology is put into question by the proponents of the previous mythology.

This makes for interesting conjectures, interesting debates, as well as the recognition that there are orthodox literalists in both camps.2 And as we stated previously NEITHER ONE SINGULAR CAMP HAS A CORNERSTONE ON WHAT EACH MYTHOLOGY PROPOSES TO BE THE TRUTH, but both contain elements that pertain to an overall greater truth. Above and beyond the debates in both corners, it should still be understood that you are dealing with a mythology, a means to try and explain material, information that may be difficult to understand any other way.3

In the modern day mythology you have a considerable armament of so-called “facts.” You have tremendous funds. You have laboratories and all the accoutrements pertaining to the apparent solid facts belonging to that mythology. A literal arsenal of quote unquote “evidence” that is considered to be almost irrefutable and rooted in the FACTS of reality, even when, at times these facts of reality are themselves entirely subjectively interpreted. And we do have the deepest respect for the scientific mindset, not necessarily do we agree with the end results often touted as the absolute epitome of factual knowledge.

On the other side of the fence, fundamental literalists and orthodox believers are just as adamant and vehement about their interpretations of the facts and will go to as great a length as those of the opposing mythology. And from the very beginning, these two camps have seen themselves just as that: two camps, each claiming ownership of the facts and the proofs; whilst FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, they both easily trample upon the truths, because the truths have been reduced to crumbs.

Both camps may easily distort the facts, the information, the data, even the artifacts, to suit the need of the theories that are proposed at any one time, and when the so-called evidence does not support the theory, it is – the evidence – is often refuted, discounted, re-buried, sometimes even ELIMINATED.4 These are very serious issues, for both camps who claim to be after the truth; when that truth is obviously biased. There are many different interpretations of the newer mythologies of evolution, new interpretations are constantly being proposed and when that information seems to veer off from the apparent rock-bed foundational material, it is quickly dismissed, as quickly as evidence is dismissed if it counters the original theory.

And we specifically refer to both camps as mythologies to situate them within a greater scale of information. New proponents arrive on the scene constantly from both camps: what is now the infamous theory of ‘Intelligent Design’ as well as Information Theory; and though both make a valorous attempt to demonstrate that there is something more at play here than the mere randomness of life, there is still, as we have stated before, an inherent pitfall in that, the intent is often — we emphasize the word OFTEN — to show that, if there is an intelligent design, then there must be an intelligent designer.

And that is where the theory reverts back to its ancestral roots in the realms of religiality. There is an immediate, and sometimes implied, claim that the designer can only be a Divine Being; but more specifically, not just ANY Divine Being. It could not be Buddha, or Allah, or Kwan Yin, or Vishnu, or Mithras, or Dionysis, or Zeus! IT CAN ONLY BE THE CHRISTIAN INTERPRETATION OF THE DIVINE BEING.

We are NOT in agreement with that mythology as well. These particular discussions should enable you to ponder the very notion of whom and what you are, perhaps even more than how you may have considered those questions in the past.5

[Long pause and Kris begins speaking even more deliberately and intently]

As we have stated in the last discussion, the Uguur — a species of consciousness – one of which you refer to as ‘All That Is’ — generated such an intensity of desire and intent in an effort to discover its own potentiality that it entered a trance state of such depth that its own potentials, its own version of ideas, took a life of its own, in a manner of speaking, in pure terms of consciousness, with the specific goal of expressing ALL of what it could feel in that one moment, which in your terms can easily span billions upon billions of years.

And this in turn, in your terms, creates a momentum that sets about a very specific and precise ORDER. (Pause) An order of play on a scale that may even put any notions you entertain about orders of play to shame, because this order of play sets about the creative processes that you would interpret as Dreamwalkers, Sleepwalkers, Dream Ancestors: ‘builders of blueprints’.6 And this set-up requires a preciseness the likes of which are difficult to fathom from the linear perspective, but there is indeed a preciseness involved in the meticulous displaying of what you interpret as matter, which IS consciousness itself.

That preciseness goes well beyond any notions of scientific precision. It is an order of literal cosmic proportion that involves the creation of elements necessary to establish the appearance of consciousness AS matter IN your field of play. And as consciousness is transformed along very unique, precise patterns in conjunction with the blueprints established by those aspects, a line of development ensues which projects all of the elements necessary to establish the manifestation of systems that eventually will support the kind of life that you know with your existence.

It is not that Dream Ancestors sat at the drafting table to create the designs, as much as the pure intent of ‘All That Is’ furnishes the sentience — we would even define that as SENTIENT INTENT — which takes the elements that you call matter and establishes the necessary conditions into which the sentient intent gathers sufficient momentum to begin transferring its focus from the trance or dream-like state into an even more condensed or refined process that begins the involvement of what you may term as atoms and molecules.

Before these latter — for lack of a better word — can begin the process of physical manifestation, the groundwork has to be laid out, and from our perspective, as we have stated several times, life — and your species in particular — did not begin in a muddy pool, haphazardly bringing together proteins and other elements which give rise to a life form that began transforming itself in the standard evolutionary interpretations. We have stated before that EACH SPECIES WAS ITSELF FROM THE VERY BEGINNING and from that “in the beginning,” whether the manifestation was vegetable, animal, or human, the forms were initially similar [to what they are now].

Now, from the process of directing the sentient intent from the trance or dream state, the conditions had to be transferred also from the trance or dream state of ‘All That Is’. Thus, enormous energies were literally channeled or diverted into a unique field, and once that field or atmosphere was sufficiently sustained, sentient intent began organizing all of the necessary proponents that would set up the conditions which include the physical manifestation of the universe as you know it — and as you understand it to be: the “Big Bang”7 — and in so many words, even as new research seems to indicate, the manifestation of the physical universe occurred almost instantly.

In THAT respect, there is a grain of truth in that it took but a few moments in terms of cosmic time for all of the elements necessary to create the physical universe to — for lack of a better word — pierce the veil, so to speak; to go from one state into another, not so much in the sense of blinking or poofing in, but in the sense of piercing that dream or trance-like membrane for the necessary elements to begin their journey, with sentient intent, into the direction of its desire.

And as that momentum carried those seeds of life, your systems that sustain life began to take shape in the form of celestial bodies or planets, organizing the availability of vast fields you call solar systems, gravity being one unique expression of psychological energy of that sentient intent to prepare the formation of worlds necessary for the establishment of all of the complex areas of life forms that themselves still are in a preparatory stage prior to leaving behind that trance or dreamlike field and project themselves in a unique and specific process into that very element you call physical matter to begin expressing that unique interpretation you call physical life.

And all of the preparations and the foundations had to be maintained with sufficient stability before any consciousness and life forms enter into that form, or that environment. And this process, in terms of simultaneous time, took no time; but in your terms, took many billions of years.8

And when situations were stable enough that sentient intent began experimenting with different forms to be able to gauge which would be the most appropriate for the fulfillment of that original sentient intent, the early forms of life as such DID NOT progress from single-celled to multiple-celled creatures which kept, in that sense, evolving from sea-dwelling eventually to land-dwelling, eventually transformed from scaled to scale-less — or any other descriptives found in the traditional mythology of evolution — as much as, from our perspective for example, fish were always fish, sea-dwelling creatures always sea-dwelling creatures, land-dwelling creatures always land-dwelling creatures, and NO sea-dwelling creatures leaving the sea to eventually walk upright and begin inventing civilizations.

And as we suggested in the previous discussion, this is an involved and difficult process to unfold, just as the process of creation itself are very complex and involved.

What is the time, please?

MARK: 8:31.

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break.

(Break begins at 8:31)

[ELLEN'S NOTES: First part of break dealt with a short discussion to clarify a few of Kris' main points. His delivery had been a bit subdued and several people commented that they had to bend near their phones and listen carefully. Some misunderstandings about what Kris had just said in the last few paragraphs were cleared up. Mark explained that Serge was trying out a headset this evening and they now made a few adjustments to raise the volume of Kris' voice.]

ELLA: Maybe for all of you its old news, but I had a thought that it’s ironic how life itself is indeed infused with desire, and almost propelled by desire. Everything starts from desire, you know? ‘All That Is’ desires to express itself and then, everything that comes up desires, realizes intent and then yet you see so many people walking around with no desire, or don’t realize it.

(Laughter)

I was wondering, he said that one of the Uguur species, that we call ‘All That Is’, went into such a deep trance…I wonder if he got out of that trance, or what is he doing now?

MARK: That one moment, that ONE MOMENT for the Uguur to fall into that trance and to literally express all of what it could feel; that one moment in its time, is billions upon billions of what we interpret as years.

ELLA: So is he [‘All That Is'] still there [in that trance]?

MARK: (Humorously) He’d better be, let’s hope he doesn’t wake up tomorrow!

STEVE: It sounded like he was describing the Big Bang, wasn’t he? But did the Big Bang exist, according to the ghosts?

PAUL: He says there’s a grain of truth to that. There’s no original Big Bang, there’s a series of cycles, like the Hindu Yugas. These are multi-billion year cycles.

MARK: But what he did say is the grain of truth to the Big Bang is that all the universe, all the solar systems and all the worlds literally existed in that moment that we would call a “Bang.” It went from nothing to suddenly existing.

ELLA: Right, but he also says that that’s on the cosmic scale, in our time frame reference. He makes sort of a division between our perspective and ‘All That Is’s’ perspective.

PAUL: He was also careful to say there was not a “poof” or “blink” — as in a Creationist version of this. What I would like to hear from Kris is: how did the sea dwellers emerge from nothing to something. How did land dwellers emerge from nothing to something? How did single-celled or multi-celled life forms emerge from nothing?

ELLA: You are literally [asking] how did atoms and molecules consciously organize in this type of a shape?9

MARK: Or any shape, for that matter.

[ELLEN'S NOTES: There was a bit of idle chit chat that preceded Kris' return.]

(Kris returns at 8:49 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you will be able to hear better. As we were attempting to describe earlier, consciousness itself attempted to introduce various forms into the field of physical matter in such a way as to literally test those various forms for suitability as expressions of energy and eventually Expressions of Essence. Thus, what you would call prototypes were birthed into the environment that was created beforehand.

This massive birthing of prototype life forms involved, included all of the different forms in an almost at once effort. From the simplest single-celled creature to very complex multiple-celled structures co-existing almost simultaneously and not necessarily a single-celled creature in that sense, evolving into a multiple-celled creature, but all of them co-existing. Thus you would have had the introduction of a massive display of life forms into your environment, or at least the environment as it was at that time, in your remote past.

And since there is yet to be an alternative exploration along those lines, coupled with the fact that Joseph has no basic scientific education in that sense of the word, we are bereft of terminology; but suffice it to say that the various life forms in their prototype displays were neither specifically originally complete and neither were they completely anchored into the physical environment — and even less so the human form — as the sentient intent was not able to occupy and animate the prototype forms for any great length of time, needing to regenerate itself in that dream trance-like environment for longer and longer durations.

And that process of transferring its focus into the prototype forms of humanoid designs was refined over great lengths of time. Thus you may have had upon your planet hundreds of different hominid types until a basic design, sufficient to accommodate the fulfillment of the sentient intent was arrived upon. Not necessarily through a process of trial and error, but more so through a process of accommodation, literally building upon previous attempts and examples until all of the elements necessary to accommodate the value fulfillment as it was intended.10

Many of these earlier prototypes could even be described as [Kris is very carefully choosing his words here, taking many pauses] almost gelatinous — semi-solid, semi-soft — barely able to maintain its contours over many, many, many millennia until the form was able to accommodate a more solid, concrete-like appearance (pause) until such a time as it was possible for that form to accommodate the introduction of the focus energy for longer and longer periods of time. And such a process would have taken many hundreds of millions of years in your time processes.

As that environment, the physical body, was able to eventually accommodate longer durations of habitation by consciousness as an edging towards a truer expression of Essence — in the terms you might be familiar with now — the environment itself was many times over transformed to refine the ability of the environment to sustain those early humanoid and hominid forms until eventually it was sufficiently stable to the point where Expressions of Essence were able to literally trust that environment enough to undergo their intent, their challenges, in the full-fledged fashion that you now understand.

And we realize that this is extremely condensed and may appear as generalized, but this is where your own questions may provide additional momentum; may provide other information to be delivered.

(Long pause) (To Mark) Perhaps this would be a good time to re-instate the other line.

[Mark un-mutes the participants]

PAUL: Is Kris taking questions?

MARK: Yeah.

PAUL: I don’t know where to begin. I’m going to try a question. It’s clear to me, Kris that you’re attempting to translate what we could call a Four Quadrant11 view into the very tiny constraints of a Quadrant One view, so there’s a paradox that you’re trying to sort through. I was taken by your comments of the semi-gelatinous — or almost gelatinous, semi-solid, semi-soft — that reminded me very much of Seth’s description of the Sleepwalkers, of early man.

So I’m just trying to formulate a question here. It’s clearer to me from a Four Quadrant perspective, that this all exists as simultaneity. And that, there’s this great exchange of energies between Quadrants One, Two, Three and Four constantly going on and that this gelatinous [creature/creation] that existed for hundreds of millions of years was a dream body that was not physical yet for focuses of Essence, so….I’m trying to come back to this order of play that I….(laughs)…a purely Quadrant One perspective…and even Elias hints that from a purely Quadrant One perspective there is some sort of order of play and Seth — I can’t quote him directly12, but — hinted that the plants and other parts of the ecosystem had to go from being in dream bodies into physical bodies — a Four Quadrant view shall we say, into a Quadrant One manifestation into [solidity].

So my question is, in trying to hint, if you would comment then, on this general order of play, from this gelatinous dream state where the sentient intent is working out all these possibilities, probabilities, but then in purely Quadrant One terms, isn’t there a simple order of play of emergence before the focuses of Essence can take solid form?

KRIS: We agree with this, however, exactly what IS the order of play? We understand the terms, and we know it well. The order of play that is assumed to have taken place may be very different from the order of play that takes place. Since both religious origins and scientific origins we have qualified as mythologies in their own right, then that may alter the meaning of “order of play.”

And yes, there is an order of play, but it is perhaps somewhat different; and yes, life forms evolved on your world, but be wary of the word “EVOLVED.” Its general interpretation is glued to the meanings established in standard Darwinian terms. But the order of play may have been different altogether, and yet still there would be an order of play. Does that make sense so far?

PAUL: Yes, it does.

KRIS: All of the forms that exist on your world appeared over a great period of time to eventually coalesce into at least a semblance of what they are now, but they did not start in the standard interpretation of a single-celled unit that eventually transformed itself into a multiple-celled unit and so on and so forth in the standard version of the scientific presentation, for even that particular presentation has as many gaps as the religious interpretation.

In our perspective, if the standard view of evolution occurred, then if the environment changes to be unsuitable for the present forms, then the present forms should be able to reverse to a previous state. As well, there is no particular evidence in your present world where one life form evolves into a different life form.13 Now, the idea of taking a yellow flower and a blue flower, cross-pollinate them, or even splice their genes to create a green flower is not proof of evolution. It simply means you have taken a blue and a yellow and made a green. If, however, you could take a pig and a pigeon and from there create a flying pig (Group laughter) or an oinking bird, then you have something going on!

ELLEN: I know there are flying pigs in Canada. [I saw it on "Kids in the Hall"!]

KRIS: (Pause) There might be! You might have to ask a Canadian!

(Group laughter)

KRIS: It is sometimes understood that if a chimpanzee can take a rock and with it smash a fruit to get to the seed that this is proof of how early humanoid and hominid ancestors learned to use tools, but if that were the case, how come there are no more monkeys learning to evolve their way to Wall Street?14

PAUL: So Kris, what I hear you saying is something that I might categorize as a modified blinking/dreaming. This action of dreaming that changes state is consistent with Seth, Elias, and your own story.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: So, rather than a magical “poof!” where everything is created in seven days, you’re consistently talking about billions of years, hundreds of millions of years, of processes and yet there is this dreaming action of the subtle field trying to manifest into the physical field and this blinking changes state, dreaming, cycling, going over and over and (inaudible).

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: The subtle field is penetrated into the physical field.

KRIS: You could say as a poor example, that even though the fetus leaves the womb, covered in its sac and placental fluids until it erupts from that sac, it hasn’t yet made itself manifest. Until it emerges from that environment, it hasn’t yet quite attained physical consciousness until it takes that first breath. For lack of better words, we use that example to try and describe that process of transference from the one environment into another that is from the environment of unformed Essence into its physical expression. Please continue.

PAUL: In Quadrant One terms, we still have this chicken and egg conundrum or paradox, in purely Quadrant One physical terms, and it’s a natural question for us to ask –

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: — which came first, the chicken or the egg? And yet I understand from a Four Quadrant perspective, the chicken and the egg are a simultaneity, and that’s why I’m just trying to use the phrase “modified blinking/dreaming” — it’s an action that’s involved in this first — at some point in purely Quadrant One terms — the human has to blink in from nothingness, before sexual reproduction begins — in purely Quadrant One terms, is that not correct?

KRIS: Just as before the advent of your birth you existed, but you needed the physical environment provided by your parents for your physical manifestation, correct?

PAUL: You’re a little hard to hear right now. I missed that last part.

KRIS: (Loudly) Just as before your own birth, you existed nonetheless, but needed the environment provided by your parents to enable your physical manifestation. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: And yes, the physical environment as your species understood it and understands it, was pre-established before, in that sense, as a means to sustain hominid form that then consciousness and intent could inhabit. And that process took many billions of years altogether in Framework One terminology. But THAT environment could not exist if the Framework Two — the dream environment — had not proposed it initially. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yes, it does.

STEVE: Kris?

KRIS: Continue.

STEVE: I’m going to ask a clumsy question, because I’m not a scientist, but I’ve read a few papers and our scientists believe that they can look at DNA and tell processes and they can establish lines of evolution — like in the bacteria, and the bacteria became this and that became something else — and they can do that by tracing the DNA and the processes, I guess is how they do it, and on and on up the line. How is it they got it so wrong, if they’re pretty sure that they’ve got it nailed down?

KRIS: They CAN look at specific details, but because one life form has DNA similar to another does not mean that the one comes from the other. Specifically, even though your human DNA is very close to the DNA of chimpanzees may not specifically be a statement of proof that you originate from the chimpanzee.

It may mean that there is a relationship, and it is progressive, but not in that sense; but in the sense that the forms that you have as human beings and the forms that chimpanzees and other bipedal humanoid types may have all shared from that ancestral dreamlike prototypes, each one diverging in their own way, but they may not be specifically indications that this proves that that is from that type.15 Does that make some sense to you?

STEVE: It does and thank you for that, and there’s going to be a lot of people who are going to be real upset when they find that out.

KRIS: It could very well be that if some of the hairs on your body contain materials similar to the contents of the hair of a fruit fly’s back, does that mean that this is proof that your ancestors are fruit flies? (Laughter) We are merely asking a question. Please continue.

ELLA: If I may, I want to ask: in my understanding based from what I’ve read, when Essence actualizes a focus in this dimension we experience our individuality — we are not separate from Essence — though for most of us it appears to be that we are all separated in individual. And when you described how the Dreamwalkers started — that for the most part, they were in a dream state and little by little they were more and more physical — and right now currently we are still very much attached to our dream state.

It occupies at least a third of our day and, you know to me, I understand that our physical body needs to recuperate, but that is the question: is that how we sort of reintegrate subjectively into the concept of everything is connected? That we are here from the dream state, that everything is connected…and a second part of that question is, how would that area evolve going into the future, you know, going forward, maybe in many years…I’m trying to understand…are we going to shift back maybe to being more like in a dream state?

KRIS: We believe we understand your question. However, you not only need sleep to regenerate the physical form and recuperate your own energies, but being constantly fixed into physical sense awareness for extended periods of time without sleep would, as has been demonstrated with sleep deprivation, do pretty nasty numbers on your brain and your consciousness.

One of the main reasons why you need to return to that dream/sleep environment, apart from regenerating the physical form, is that your desires, your actions in the physical expression are highly condensed and concentrated and even restricted, and you need the unfettered environment to once again literally spread your wings and engage in a greater display of consciousness in the dream state on a continual basis.

Imagine if, for example, you had to live in a broom closet for eight, ten, twelve, sixteen hours a day, and you had only a few hours to get out of the closet and into the back yard and the park. Do you understand?

ELLA: Very much. It’s a different perspective, but a much welcomed one. I relate to it very much.

KRIS: The majority of your activities as consciousness can only sustain the restricted environment of the physical form and its highly condensed concentrations for a certain amount of hours, then you need to literally let go and party whilst you sleep.

ELLA: But…maybe not exactly in the dream area, but going forward in the future, I understand there’s no close evolution between the species but if you take a human form and — not only physicality, but altogether, the whole package — are there any evolutions still occur, going forward? My husband asked me recently, “what do you think in a million years, how would our form look?” I don’t have an answer.

KRIS: It would not look much different than the forms you now have. You will not necessarily evolve in that sense of the word, where you might produce four arms and two other pairs of eyes, one in the back of the head for the mothers! (Group laughter) You would look pretty much the same as you do now, but there are still adaptative transformations always occurring, enabling a furthering of fulfillment. Your species might even grow bigger and taller. Brain capacity MIGHT indeed even increase. But that is adaptative changes.16

ELLA: Yes, that is what I was asking. Evolution, I guess, is too big of a word for that. You pretty much answered my question. And if I may, on the same sort of a venue, last session you mentioned that trees are one of the experimentations with form, and you said that they had a very different and special awareness of multi-dimensionality. If you could comment on anything more about the trees, I’m very much interested in their consciousness.

KRIS: Perhaps we could make comments in those areas in another situation. Perhaps you might even submit it as a question for exploration in the newsletter.

ELLA: All right.

KRIS: Now we wish to address Janaki (Paul) again. (Pause) Are you still present? Or have you evolved into something non-physical?

(Group laughter)

ELLEN: He’s a fruit fly!

BRIAN: With eyes in the back of his head!

PAUL: I’m adapting. My question still concerns this order of play, at least as Seth still hinted at it. Before a physical focus — a hominid focus — can come in and experience that almost shattering (inaudible) that Seth talked about in Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment17; before that can happen in purely linear Framework One terms, there’s got to be a robust ecosystem where he can hunt, drink, feed…is that not correct?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: But if you could comment on… this awkward attempt at getting you to translate on this order of play in Framework One terms, then….the plants had to manifest before the animals could eat them. The plants had to “blink in” first.

KRIS: Indeed and that is a most intelligent understanding. And of course, that whole foundational system had to be laid out and proven to be self-sustaining before, because it is part of the process of introducing the human Expression of Essence. So, yes, you would have had to first have the manifestation of physical counterpart of consciousness, or matter. That matter would have had to accommodate the necessary energies to display a sustainable environment for ALL of the forms necessary to sustain the human life form afterwards, correct?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: All of this is foundational in that sense. And that order of the display of adaptative consciousness is most necessary and it occurs in that similar manner regardless of the dimensions that are displayed. (Pause) Please continue.

STEVE: You seem to have described something like the Big Bang in the beginning there, and they created this enormous universe…we humans tend to be interested if there’s life in outer space, did these Dreamwalkers create only our life, or is there life elsewhere, and if there isn’t, what was the point of creating all the rest of it?

KRIS: It is said, we believe, that there are more things in the heavens than you can imagine. And indeed, there are many different kinds of expressions of life and many different kinds of expressions even of focuses of Essence, and not all are displayed in your dimension, or even in your reality.

STEVE: I’m speaking of my dimension, which I thought was called the Universe.

KRIS: What you see as your universe is one dimension of many. And even physical reality is far greater than you can possibly conceive of. Your telescopes seem to see further and further into space every day to the utter amazement of the astronomers and the scientists. And it seems as if still, you might be the only life form in that whole panoramic display, but you are not.

STEVE: There are other life forms in our dimension?

KRIS: Indeed, and no they are not little green men.

ELLEN: Kris, does any of this “dreaming in” activity occur even now, in what we consider our present time?

KRIS: Yes, indeed.

ELLEN: I was thinking of — Mark and I were talking about this not too long ago — we were referring to Jane Roberts’ York Beach experience. I think most everybody who’s read the Seth material is familiar with the York Beach experience? Where Jane and Rob…I guess they were at a dancing establishment and they saw a couple near them, and Seth later explained that they were projections of themselves, and….how should I put this…

KRIS: This couple was basically the embodiment of Ruburt and Joseph’s most negative aspects.

ELLEN: Did that…that occurrence…have any parallel to this type of “dreaming in”, the way it… (Groping) Oh! I don’t know how to formulate my question!

MARK: (Stepping in) One of the questions that we had was, when that negative couple — those projections — left that building, did they cease to exist, so to speak?

KRIS: Only to your physical senses.

ELLEN: But…the way they manifested though, did it have any correlation to the way this “dreaming in” was done?

KRIS: Yes and no. There are similarities, but we would not necessarily say this is how it was done. Even in your early manifestation there were still bleed-throughs from other realities that were themselves experiencing their own birth pangs and their own display of order. But because so little concentration was afforded into the physical forms it was not specifically an issue of any kind.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:41.

KRIS: Janaki, you are still present? This is only a suggestion. That the continuation of this specific topic can still be of interest to everyone who is participating, but because there are also very uniquely specific qualitative explorations that can be done along those lines that in a general audience would not be as conducive as a simpler audience, we are suggesting that further explorations can be done more on a one to one basis, but eventually bringing in others. Do you understand?

PAUL: Yes, I do. Thank you.

KRIS: This is not to say that the involvement of others is problematic, but because there are such specifics required, then we would gladly pick YOUR brain, if it is offered. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes, it is. You can pick my brain any time, old fellow!18

(Laughter)

KRIS: Now are there other questions?

JOHN: I had one question Kris. I really liked the description you’re giving in the big, big picture of investing more and more into the physical, at first being kind of gelatinous and Gumby-like, then getting to the point where more and more can actually fulfill value here in the physical. Could the Shift in Consciousness that we’re undergoing now…it seems to me that is one more step in that direction of getting more Essence for your dollar here in the physical.

KRIS: One of the purposes of your Shift of Consciousness is to return your ego concentration back towards its Source, not necessarily away from its physical orientation, but to return to a greater awareness of Source. That is part of your cycles. It is not the first shift in this one cycle. And a cycle can contain many billions of years. The sleep trance state of Uguur is not a one-time unique phenomenon, but there is a cyclical process. Does that make any sense to you at all?

JOHN: Yes, indeed.

MARK: Yeah, I think that’s true for all of us.

KRIS: Are there other questions?

ELLA: If you could clarify a little bit with the trance state of ‘All That Is’, from what you just said, is it that ‘All That Is’ went into trance and spawned all this consciousness that now is reinventing itself, and then went OUT of trance, and maybe went into trance again, and created something else somewhere else? What is it doing right now, is it in the same trance, in a different trance, what is it inventing now? How is it expressing? If that information is even available….I’m not sure..?

KRIS: As we have just suggested, Uguur DOES eventually forget that it slipped into a dream trance from which all of your expressions come, and then when it has its own remembrance, it re-enters into another sleep trance to begin the process again, but when we say again, it is not that all of this will occur in exactly the same way. Other potentials, other desires are created on a constant basis, in that fashion. Do you understand?

ELLA: I understand, but it’s such a big concept that in my head right now I see for example, ‘All That Is’ went into trance and spent all this energy in one direction, then forgot that and started some new expression in another direction and it’s constantly bursting with different ideas, and different areas of consciousness…

KRIS: Just as every day, you burst with ideas and desires and aims and fulfillment. A day of Uguur could be considered approximately 36 times 70 billion years, in YOUR terms.19

MARK: I have a question. You, a long time ago, said that you’ve seen, yourself — witnessed — NINE cycles. Are these the same cycles?

KRIS: Indeed. Once a consciousness individuation is achieved, it is never undone. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:49.

KRIS: Then indeed we humbly suggest that all of your lovely Uguur-ness lead you into pretty sleep, and enjoy your dreams as we’ve enjoyed your presences, and we thank you for you kind consideration this evening.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.
Detailed Roll Call:

Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), and Michelle
Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Ester (Benata), Robin
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Brian (Enzo), Cathy (Segova)
Santa Barbara, California: Steve (Gabriel)
Salt Lake: Anya (Greensleeves)
New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)
Oregon: Lisa
Oklahoma: Debbie
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)

Endnotes:

1 MARK’S NOTES: Mythology, Myths and Mythos

KRIS: But in these cases you have maps or if you prefer, psychological blueprints of such proportion that the only way that it can be recounted with hope of leading the listener to engage their own psychological devices as to reenact the drama of the tale that is being told, the only way it can be told is to bring it into the realm of the mythos, the realm of the supernatural, the realm of the psychological drama.

This allows the critical faculties including the imagination of the listener of the tale to momentarily suspend all of his or her disbelief in heroic actions, in heroic selves, in such a manner as that individual can simultaneously, momentarily step into the role of the hero or heroine of the book, in the story, of the legend, and partake of those dimensions of events and actions and find a light that is then of use to illuminate the apparent small, frail human life, elevate it in the atmosphere of the bigger than life, giving the psychological entity a certain understanding that there are things within its grasp, within its reach, that there are revelations and illuminations that immediately exist within the individual in the here and now by that individual’s sole act of engaging their imagination to become the hero or the heroine in the story, thus triggering a cascading effect whereby the individual establishes a new understanding of selfhood and acquires by assimilation the necessary means and power to transform his or her life.

This is a powerful process, one that has almost been forgotten by your culture and your civilizations. It has become forgotten, and it became forgotten as soon as your civilization mistook the story, the healing myth for concrete historical events in the most literal sense of the word and established cults and dogmas and religions and took the stories as absolute fact when in reality the stories are meant to lead the individual to his or her inner truth that has been stripped away and the inner truth has been forbidden, to be replaced by someone else’s projection of what an absolute truth must be. And it is usually done in such proportions that it is impossible to measure up to. Thus the individual is more or less guaranteed to fail.

[January 24, 2005]

2 MARK’S NOTES: Both Camps. In this case the first camp would be the ‘Evolutionists’ who follow Darwin’s Theory of Evolution. The second camp would be considered the “Creationists” who follow the “Intelligent Design” theories.

3 PAUL’S NOTE: these two camps embrace what I call the premodern and modern worldview myths that still dominate our culture. Premodern is the religious “magical poof-in” and the modern is the equally magical Big Bang with chance, random processes. Both camps “equally trample upon the truth.” But as Kris said three weeks ago, they both contain gems of truth. For example, in the Christian creation saga, there is a basic order of physical manifestation that is roughly accurate. The Void manifests the Clear Light, the heavens and the Earth. Then come plants, then animals, then humans. This “order of play” is consonant with Seth, Elias, and Kris’ versions. The scientific myth is correct in that there was an explosive beginning to the latest Yuga or cycle that reshapes all physical matter (physios), and some kind of “order of play” in purely physical terms of emergence.

I see Kris’ creation myth, along with Seth and Elias’, as evidence of emerging postmodern creation myths that embrace the premodern notions of consciousness as causal, but are also consonant with rational, scientific, postmodern evolutionary theories (e.g. Aurobindo, Laszlo, Wilber, Beck, Gebser, etc.)

4 MARK’S NOTES: Evidence. Researchers, albeit archeologists, paleontologists, physicists or religious scholars when conducting research will come across “evidence” that contradicts the proposed theory that they are trying to prove. Very OFTEN (not always) that evidence is discarded, ignored, destroyed or catalogued and stored away, never to be seen or heard of again. One possible reason for this is because their funding sources would be cut off if they were to find contradictory or conflicting evidence.

5 PAUL’S NOTE: Kris mentions Intelligent Design and information theory as examples of modern scientific attempts to explain some gaps in current evolutionary theories, but the down side is that when they “prove” there is a Designer, then it can’t be Buddha, Allah, Shiva, Dionysus, Mythras, etc., but ONLY the Christian interpretation of God.

And that’s just more premodern magical thinking (I don’t use “magical” in the transrational sense of Seth’s “magical approach”, but in the prerational, childish sense of the developmental psychologists = moon is made of cheese).

6 MARK’S NOTES: Dream Ancestors

KRIS: Now in his books, Seth has referred to ‘sleep walkers’ and the personality Elias has referred to the ‘Dream Walkers’. Sometime back we had named these expressions of consciousness as ‘Dream Ancestors’. You may have occasionally heard us refer to them.

To be more specific there are portions or aspects of your inner or higher or essence selves that are even more removed from the ordinary involvements of reality creation as you understand it. There are then portions of your own selves that are more or less fascinated with and focused upon the formation of ‘proto matter’ or that energy and idea construction that has yet to be transformed into the regularly recognized matter that comes in the forms of the realities that you experience then objectively. Such as the objects that compose the physical world before they become physical realities.

You may also call them ‘Pseudo Realities’ that have not yet attained a certain degree of acceleration that permits individualized focused consciousness to perceive that reality through the auspices of the physical senses. That pseudo or proto matter appears to your inner senses as less formulated not so cleanly or tightly composed matter as you understand. Such as that matter that is the table made of stone in this room.

All the other physical objects including the room as it would exist in another frame or layer of reality not quite solid, some what removed from its aspects of solidity. There are therefore beings and consciousnesses that lay down system codes in these other regions of consciousness where energy is manipulated and formulated in such a manner that it will then be usable to those families of consciousness from which you have your own sources in terms of inner selves and obviously not physical selves for physical selves are partially tied into the resources directly connected with physical reality and the natural world as you understand it. That part of yourselves, though extremely valid and unique is NOT your entire selves, these beings that serve as the builders, the organizers of the codes and systems that will eventually become usable matter for you to manipulate.

We refer to them as the ‘Dream Ancestors’ for a variety of reasons. One of which is that their natural environment is one that resembles, is akin to those deeper layers where you have dream experiences usually not translatable by the conscious mind. Some of the deeper layers of dream realities, where enormous amounts of energy flow in and out of your selves usually dropping tidbits or if you wish small units and parcels of energy and concepts into those areas of dream exploration that are so foreign to your conscious selves that they rarely ever appear in your dreams states, unless there is a sufficient and adequate amount of dream practice to tap into those layers.

These Dream Ancestor beings as we have explained in the past, consider you and the individuals in your physical world as a type of progeny, descendants of their own, as projections of part of their own energy or consciousness that reaches far out into regions of reality that they may not even be aware of. If they are aware of it they often pay little attention to it because they are generally pre-occupied in an entirely different function, that of preparing the raw materials and concepts of energy to codes and systems that will eventually trickle down into the layers of realities from framework layer 4,3,2 into physical reality or layer one, framework 1 where you make use of your thoughts, your emotions, your feelings, your convictions, your attitudes and expectations and many other attributes that then mold or form energy into specific events that become your daily lives that becomes the circumstances and the conditions and the props found in your singular, social and collective lives.

[May 03, 2004]

7 MARK’S NOTES: Big Bang
PAUL: …I know that we have this myth about the Big Bang, does this approximate this action, when it climaxes is it really this sort of action?

KRIS: The Big Bang is indeed a distortion, but is an attempt to understand the beginning and the end of a cycle.

PAUL: So how far along are we in this present cycle?

KRIS: You are still very juvenile.

PAUL: When this upgrade, this recasting, rebirthing, reincarnation happens is there… does it affect the entire universal systems of all the galaxies and solar systems simultaneously, or just the planet Earth?

KRIS: The system itself; your planet being one unit within it, not unlike when your own physical body can as beautifully and succinctly continue to express all of the intents that you wish to manifest, thus a new one is created with new circumstances.

[June 21, 2004]

8 PAUL’S NOTE: these last two paragraphs capture an essential paradox that Kris is wrestling with in his tale, because it’s still not clear just what the processes are that take “no time” and simultaneously “billions of years.” It is clearer that we perceive and construct our own versions based upon our physical nature. But since there are nonphysical frameworks of consciousness involved, those involutionary processes may be impossible to accurately translate into terms we can understand at this general stage of collective development.

9 MARK’S NOTES: Ella’s comments reminded me of this quote from Kris:

MARK: How does the first of any species manifest?

KRIS: Interestingly, even in your own continent new species have been found. How do they come about? Since everything originates in the mind, from your smallest symptoms of disease or illness to the most complex and severe displays of crippling and often fatal diseases to the smallest moments of joy and everything else in between, everything originates in the mind. So to you it appears that things follow a very specific path for coming into being. And you do not yet understand your own personalities and how they evolve. So we understand that it is difficult to understand.

But literally new species versus the old species appear in your dimension. Some may do this with a certain degree of cross breeding, but new species are also discovered that are not necessarily related to one another. Yet there seems to be no indication that they existed at some point in the past. And others have been around that have not yet been discovered. So you have various means for life forms to appear on your planet.

But if you were to see in action how forms appear in your world, it would shake you to the very core of your being because you literally appear here and elsewhere. It seems to you, for example, that your bodies are a constant, permanent, static things, that it is fixed in time and space as a permanent structure until such structure no longer furnishes the necessary functions to keep you within it. That is how it appears to your physical senses, your eyes and so on and so forth. But in actuality your physical bodies are composed of atoms and molecules and these you can say vibrate at a very specific frequency. Thus it is possible to say that your bodies appear and disappear at such a rapid rate that the eye cannot detect it.

For instance, your television screens and your computer monitors do not display a constant image but rather have a refresh rate. They flicker at such a rate that it is undetected to the human eye. Do you follow?

Now there is another level at which the atoms and the molecules that compose the cells that compose the organs and the form of your body also does the same thing. It flickers at such a rate that it is not detectable. But it is NOT a constant solid form. You may think that it is, but it is not. As easily as this table, these walls, this floor and ceiling and the chairs and the couches you are sitting on, including your bodies also vibrate and flicker at such a rate that you cannot detect it. Thus you assume that it is solid. And were you to try to walk through the wall or this stone table, you would indeed be surprised, because your assumptions about reality create a specific charge, so to speak, that makes it so that to you it appears as solid. Indeed it does because it is what you assume.

Were you to assume that you could be consciously in more than one place at one time, were this part of your own psychological make up, then you could experience being in more than once place at one time. For the time being you have to do this through the auspices of your unconsciousness mind and you call these other selves of yours in these other places and times as reincarnational selves. You say you have past lives. You may consider the possibility that you have future lives. And you may have probable lives. And you think that this individual life expression that you have now is the measure of all things. But you simply forget that you are definitely also the past life of a future self of yours.

So you are not necessarily the self that you think you are. You are definitely much more.

[March 03, 2003]

10 PAUL’S NOTE: this last paragraph, in particular, is consonant with some kind of micro-evolutionary notion. That is, it took many, many generations of hominid ancestors to come and go BEFORE that shattering awakening of the outer ego occurred, BEFORE focuses of essence finally manifest in Framework 1 terms, BEFORE the environment and ecosystem was stable and developed that hominids could fend for themselves, since they could no longer rely on dream bodies, dream food, dream whatever (i.e. involutionary processes).

This is the most difficult area to describe, as those processes likely covered millions, if not billions of Framework 1 years.

Another thing to consider is that Elias claimed that whales and dolphins are now focuses of essence, and this emergence occurred in the late 1990s. Now we have plenty of evidence to support that whales and dolphins have been around for hundreds of millions of years, and yet were NEVER focuses of essence. And yet, from a Framework 2, 3, 4… perspective, this also is a simultaneity – another expression of this basic paradox of time from timelessness, space from spacelessness, form from formlessness, evolution from involution.

I suspect that the emergence of homo sapiens as focuses of essence unfolded in a similar way, namely, that physical forms were prototyped until the larger ecosystem was ready to support them.

I keep returning to my own biases as a Framework 1 focus, and how limited I am in conceptualizing four Quadrant version of this tale and the many, related processes that must occur to pull if all off. Apply that to our current sciences of anthropology, paleontology, archeology, geology, etc. and we still are limited to a one Quadrant perception of the processes involved.

11 MARK’S NOTES: Quadrants of Consciousness – to give a quick summation, the Self, the WHOLE SELF can be divided into four quadrants. The first quadrant would include ALL of physical reality as we know and understand it. Quadrant Two would include Essence whilst Quadrant Three would include multi-dimensional structures which include the clans and clusters. Quadrant Four would have to be called the Source or the “Core Light” or even the “Core Energy”. All quadrants are nested one within the other. The Fourth Quadrant nurtures the Third whilst the Third nurtures the Second and the Second nurtures the First.

[October 04, 2004]

12 PAUL’S NOTE: this is the passage from Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, Vol. 1 I had in mind:

“While men had their dream bodies alone they enjoyed a remarkable freedom, of course, for those bodies did not have to be fed or clothed. They did not have to operate under the law of gravity. Men could wander as they wished about the landscape. They did not yet identify themselves to any great degree as being themselves separate from either the environment or other creatures. They knew themselves to be themselves, but their identities were not as closely allied with their forms as is now the case.

“The dream world was bound to waken, however, for that was the course it had set itself upon. This awakening, again, happened spontaneously, and yet with its own order. In the terms of this discussion the other creatures of the earth actually awakened before man did, and relatively speaking, their dream bodies formed themselves into physical ones before man’s did. The animals became physically effective, therefore, while to some degree man still lingered in that dream reality.

“The plants awakened before the animals – and there are reasons for these varying degrees of ‘wakefulness’ that have nothing to do basically with the differentiations of specieshood as defined by science from the outside but have to do with the inner affiliations of consciousness, and with species or families of consciousness. Those affiliations fell into being as all of the consciousnesses that were embarked upon physical reality divided up the almost unimaginable creative achievements that would be responsible for the physically effective world.” ~ Session 899, February 06, 1980.

For further details, see Seth on “The Origins of the Universe and of the Species” – An Integral Conscious Creation Myth

Also, Elias supported the notion of a physical order of play. The following is from a private session:

PAUL: “… so in terms of – and I know it’s hard to think in linear terms, and I’m kind of on a hamster wheel, but I’ll see how far we go with it. (Elias nods and smiles) In terms of change-in-time or evolution or becoming, Seth says that – and it makes sense – that parts of the biosphere [i.e., basic cellular life forms] would emerge first to generate a stable environment that allows for this. And then ‘higher’ forms of life – bacteria, moving things, fish, early forms of life – would emerge also. Now, back to my opening question about you and this simultaneity – all of these things exist at the same time.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: And I have in this conceptualization that I’m trying to translate accurately, I keep getting a sense that as things emerge into time, it’s all together, it’s all right there, and yet little pieces – there is an order of play. (Elias nods) You’ve given sequence of the Dream Walkers with their intents regarding the shift, things like that, so you’re on the record with showing change-in-time, even from this subjective area. (68)

ELIAS: Correct. Do not discount the element of time within your physical dimension, for, let me express to you, without the interplay of time, there is no physical matter. Therefore, to generate a physical reality, a physical dimension, you must be incorporating some type of configuration of time – not necessarily linear, and not necessarily in the manner in that you configure time in this physical dimension – but, also, remember that this particular physical dimension is one of the most complex and diverse physical realities that exists within consciousness. Therefore, you also incorporate a complex expression of time …

PAUL: Right.

ELIAS: …to generate all of the physical manifestations that you do within this physical reality.

PAUL: Right. And so part of this time framework, as it manifests, as it emerges from – let’s just call it the singularity of the blink out before the blink in process – as it emerges, there’s an order of play of emergence.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: And so these belief systems that we have in evolution, even though there’s some that are very distorted, and pathologically so, with a very negative effect in cultural terms, (Elias nods) there’s still a grain, a gem, of truth to this flow in time and the emergence of life in this dimension; it has to be that way.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: It doesn’t just poof in, in other words.

ELIAS: Correct. In this, view your arts, which are in a manner of speaking a creative mirror of the design of your physical dimension. Now; in composition of musical expressions, what do you express first?

PAUL: There’s a whole different, many ways of doing that, but for me personally I would get an idea, a seed.

ELIAS: And your idea incorporates what initially?

PAUL: A communication?

ELIAS: A melody.

PAUL: Okay. All right.

ELIAS: You begin with a melody, which is your subject. And you build around that subject, that central point, with your harmonies and your disharmonies and you create the background, so to speak, subsequent to the initial melody. Now; within your art of painting, what do you create first?

PAUL: I’m not a painter, but the background, the base layer, some base layer that you start to build upon.

ELIAS: Correct. You insert your central subject matter. Now; these two actions may be seemingly different, but in actuality their sequence may be somewhat different, but they are actually very similar. The subject in both compositions is the initial point, but what is expressed in the execution in one is the subject first, and in one is the background first.

Now; in association with the design of your physical reality, both are in play simultaneously in association with the Dream Walkers. The Dream Walkers are the subject, and exist, but are not physically manifest. The background is being created in association with the design of the reality. Both are in play, so to speak, simultaneously, but what you view in what you associate as your evolution, or your sequence of events is the development of the background first, and the insertion of the main subject subsequent, which is your species.

PAUL: Right. Good analogy.

ELIAS: But your species was in play while the background was being developed, in your terms, but not necessarily entirely physically solidly manifest as you view yourselves now.

PAUL: So in terms of this matrix, we would say that this inner ego was existing previously, and there, (Elias nods) fully waiting and working along with everything consciously….

ELIAS: Not waiting. Actively participating in designing the background, and designing the physical manifestations of your world, and experimenting with different types of physical manifestations. And in that experimentation, exploring the possibilities of physical manifestations and manipulating energy in a manner in association with time to be creating different types of physical expressions in what you term to be living and non-living. And in that experimentation, allowing for a tremendous freedom in creativity, and in keeping with your associations which have, in your terms, carried through your history, generating a fascination with large manifestations, but also recognizing that large manifestations are not always as efficient.

PAUL: Are you referring to the dinosaurs?

ELIAS: In part.

PAUL: In part. Yeah, huge, huge creatures, a lot of food, a lot of processing, the whole ecosystem.

ELIAS: Which generated quite an excitement in association with the Dream Walkers in manipulation of energy of consciousness to generate enormous physical manifestations within your physical dimension.

PAUL: So the Dream Walker layer, which I’ll just say is inner ego, or ‘below’ [i.e., wider], perhaps even, is intimately primary in creating all of this.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: So essence, what you call essence, this personality tone within consciousness, all of consciousness, is instrumental, absolutely primary and causal in that sense of its primacy.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: It causes, and that’s just an amazing thing to remember.

ELIAS: It creates. [session 1246, January 16, 2003]
13 PAUL’S NOTE: the notion of “missing links” in the modern creation myth are used as promissory placeholders that will eventually prove that fish morphed into land dwellers like birds, and apes into hominids. And yet, there is still no satisfactory proof, no smoking gun in the fossil record. The idea of micro-evolution or adaptation is quite different from the biological speciation proposed by Darwinists. Darwin found lots of evidence of different species of birds adapting to their island habitats versus continental habitats. Beaks changed, and so on. But there is no evidence that an ancient fish morphed into this bird, for example.

Thus, postmodern conscious creation (Seth, Elias, and Kris) creation myths don’t contradict the process of micro-evolution or adaptation.

14 PAUL’S NOTE: given the recent spate of corporate malfeasance cases in the news (Enron, WorldCom, etc.), some might argue that this is indeed the case! But seriously, if macro-evolution is a valid process, then there should be evidence showing that the great apes and chimps are still “evolving” toward focuses of essence, and that may not be the case. What about dogs, elephants, and other mammals that show forms of intelligence?

Furthermore, if we have no common ancestor with chimps, than just what is our common ancestry? For instance, why do we share 97% of the same genes and DNA? There is obviously some kind of common ancestry involved here, even in terms of basic cellular structures used by the simplest forms in the biosphere. So we ARE related to plants, trees, bacteria, insects, fish, birds, and mammals in some as yet understood way.

It is logical from a purely Framework 1 perspective that cells would become more complex and evolve into humans. But then, it was also once a very logical assumption when observing the sky that the sun was orbiting the Earth, and our planet was the stationary center of the Kosmos. It is clearer that if we at least imagine the potentials of a Four Quadrant Kosmos, that there are still many as yet unknown involutionary processes involved in evolution.

15 PAUL’S NOTE: again, “the forms that chimpanzees and other bipedal humanoid types may have all shared from that ancestral dreamlike prototypes” seems to support some kind of common ancestry in involutionary terms of Quadrants 2, 3, and 4 that we still can’t conceptualize accurately.

Moreover, if we believe in some kind of unity consciousness from which everyone emerged, then we are all related and share a common ancestry in physical and nonphysical terms. It’s just that the actual mechanics, physics, laws, and processes are still not fully understood and subject to new ways of looking at the evidence of our senses (including inner senses).

16 PAUL’S NOTE: this also suggests some kind of larger purpose, intent, and direction or telos to our Kosmos. In other works, the modern creation myth of the Big Bang claims it’s all an accident of chance combinations of elements. There is no purpose or intrinsic meaning to our world. And to me, that is a pathological distortion that has led to many problems we now face on a global scale, from global warming, deforestation, over-population to weapons of mass destruction, alienation, addiction, and hopelessness.

17 PAUL’S NOTE: here’s what Seth said:

“The Garden of Eden legend represents a distorted version of man’s awakening as a physical creature. He becomes fully operational in his physical body, and while awake can only sense the dream body that had earlier been so real to him. He now encounters his experience from within a body that must be fed, clothed, protected from the elements – a body that is subject to gravity and to earth’s laws. He must use physical muscles to walk from place to place. He sees himself suddenly, in a leap of comprehension, as existing for the first time not only apart from the environment, but apart from all of earth’s other creatures.

“The sense of separation is, in those terms, initially almost shattering. Yet [man] is to be the part of nature that views itself with perspective [i.e. is self-aware]. He is to be the part of nature that will specialize, again, in the self-conscious use of concepts. He will grow the flower of the intellect – a flower that must have its deep roots buried securely within the earth, and yet a flower that will send new psychic seeds outward, not only for itself but for the rest of nature, of which it is a part.

“But man looked out and felt himself suddenly separate and amazed at the aloneness. Now he must find food, where before his dream body did not need physical nourishment. Before, man had been neither male nor female, combining the characteristics of each, but now the physical bodies also specialized in terms of sexuality. Man has to physically procreate. Some lost ancient legends emphasized in a clearer fashion his sudden sexual division. By the time the biblical legends came into being, however, historical events and social beliefs were transformed into the Adam and Eve version of events.

“On the other hand, man did indeed feel that he had fallen from a high estate, because he remembered that earlier freedom of dream reality – a reality in which the other creatures were still to some degree immersed. Man’s mind, incidentally, at that point had all the abilities that you now assign to it: the great capacity for contrast of imagination and intellect, the drive for objectivity and for subjectivity, the full capacity for the development of language – a keen mind that was as brilliant in any caveman, say, as it is in any man on a modern street.

“But if man felt suddenly alone and isolated, he was immediately struck by the grand variety of the world and its creatures. Each creature apart from himself was a new mystery. He was enchanted also by his own subjective reality, the body in which he found himself, and by the differences between himself and others like him, and the other creatures. He instantly began to explore, to categorize, to point out and to name the other creatures of the earth as they came to his attention.

“In a fashion, it was a great creative and yet cosmic game that consciousness played with itself, and it did represent a new kind of awareness, but I want to emphasize that each version of All-That-Is is unique. Each has its purpose, though that purpose cannot be easily defined in your terms. Many people ask, for example: ‘What is the purpose of my life?’ Meaning: ‘What am I meant to do?’ but the purpose of your life, and each life, is in its being. That being may include certain actions, but the acts themselves are only important in that they spring out of the essence of your life, which simply by being is bound to fulfill its purposes.

“Man’s dream body is still with him, of course, but the physical body now obscures it. The dream body cannot be harmed while the physical one can – as man quickly found out as he transformed his experience largely from one to the other. In the dream body man feared nothing. The dream body does not die. It exists before and after physical death. In their dream bodies men had watched the spectacle of animals ‘killing’ other animals, and they saw the animals’ dream bodies emerge unscathed.

“They saw that the earth was simply changing its forms, but that the identity of each unit of consciousness survived – and so, although they saw the picture of death, they did not recognize it as the death that to many people now seems an inevitable end.

“[Men] saw that there must be an exchange of physical energy for the world to continue. They watched the drama of the ‘hunter’ and the ‘prey,’ seeing that each animal contributed so that the physical form of the earth could continue – but the rabbit eaten by the wolf survived in a dream body that men knew was its true form. When man ‘awakened’ in his physical body, however, and specialized in the use of its senses, he no longer perceived the released dream body of the slain animal running away, still cavorting on the hillside. He retained memory of his earlier knowledge, and for a considerable period he could now and then recapture that knowledge. He became more and more aware of his physical senses, however: Some things were definitely pleasant and some were not. Some stimuli were to be sought out, and others avoided, and so over a period of time he translated the pleasant and the unpleasant into rough versions of good and evil.

“Basically, what made him feel good was good. He was gifted with strong clear instincts that were meant to lead him toward his own greatest development, to his own greatest fulfillment, in such a way that he also helped to bring about the highest potentials of all of the other species of consciousness. His natural impulses were meant to provide inner directives that would guide him in just such a direction, so that he sought what was the best for himself and for others.” ~ Session 899, February 06, 1980

18 PAUL’S NOTE: it was clear that we were reaching the end of this stage of material being delivered, and that to go further we’d need to do some research to formulate the next generation of questions.

19 PAUL’S NOTE: this translates into 2,520 billion years. So one “UGUUR day” equals roughly 2.52 trillion years. If we multiply that by 365 “days,” then one “UGUUR year” equals 919.8 trillion years! Kris is attempting to show some of the cycles and time spans involved in larger Kosmic processes that far exceed anything that modern astrophysicists and cosmologists acknowledge. They hold that our Kosmos is 12-16 billion years old.

MARK’S NOTE: (Same topic) Kris is ALSO attempting to point out that these larger Kosmic processes are but a blink of an eye to “All That Is” (UGUUR), in the great scheme of things.

Sushi and a Scoundrel

March 23, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Sushi and a Scoundrel
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Thursday, March 23, 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Paul H. (Janaki), Joanne (Rosalie) and Paul T. (Antolian)

(7:52 PM)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are enjoying yourselves!

(Gales of laughter and applause)

Now in spite of the fact that due to Joseph’s present physical condition, we will be rather subdued, do not mistake it for a lack of energetic participation. There is plenty of scoundrel and knave-ish energy available!

(Laughter)

JO: Well Kris, as you know, we want to investigate our more scoundrel-like focuses today, particularly ones we have in common, and one of the things that Antolian (Paul T.) wanted to ask you is whether or not Frank James is a focus of his and I’d like to know whether my friend Jesse James is Jesse James in that focus also.

PAUL H.: A two for one question!

KRIS: (Taking a deep breath, an indication of going deeply within to access information)

MARK: (Referring to Kris) He’s working.

KRIS: Now, perhaps we can return to that specific topic in a short while. Firstly, it is our humble opinion that such an exploration as you are attempting this evening is not only satisfying, cannot only be fulfilling, but can be quite enriching as well. Far too many people try to focus upon those experiences that cast them in the light of the spiritually educated, erudite and psychologically mastered lifetimes. Do you understand?

ALL: Oh, yes!

KRIS: In other words, obviously to such perspectives, the goodly and the saintly life experiences must be those that project the closeness to Source and though there is a grain of truth in this, we would also state that lifetimes that are less saintly and goodly can also reflect a closeness to Source and a great deal of love of life without having to wear halos and white gloves, but simple eye patches will suffice! Is that also sensible?

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: And though such experiences might seem relegated to the classic era of pirates as is commonly understood, many, many nations that border the oceans as well as some that do not, have had their fair share of different types of pirate knaves and scoundrels to fill and color many a history book. Both the Chinese and the Japanese have had many such colorful characters on their high seas. Many Muslim countries have also had their share as well as Christian countries in olden days, strictly speaking, of seafaring pirates.

There were other types of characters that took to the highways in many of these nations also operating on those similar principles but without the advantage of the high seas. And indeed you have had some of those experiences to call your own and to color your backgrounds and to spice up the blood. Not all such experiences or lifetimes were necessarily mired in murder as much as cunning, swift thinking, strategies, devising ways to rob the rich – or anyone of their riches for that matter – often finding ways to avoid bloodshed though many such experiences did occasionally spill blood.

One of the greatest of all armadas, greater than the Spanish armada, greater than the British fleets combined, had set sail and explored unknown lands out of ancient Chinese empires. Some of these fleets having reached as far as the western African coast and the western American coasts, many centuries before Christopher Columbus was born, utilizing remnants of maps, some of which were later found by Columbus and his financiers.

When these great Chinese armadas were retired by the rulers of the times, a great number of officers and men of rank found themselves desiring to return to the high seas. Having known contacts with other kingdoms, having observed the riches of other kingdoms, having desired those riches, without any work in their own country with hefty financial rewards for their explorations, pooled their monies and other resources together to set off in small flotillas specifically with the intent of acquiring a great deal, as much wealth in fact as their ships could carry.

One group that had participated in explorations — the North American western coast — had noticed specifically in the areas of the Pacific coast of central and south America, how the natives utilized many precious jewels, but most specifically gold, and had desired to make it their own. The ancient South American legends later on incorporated many of these invasions into their cultures, eventually proclaiming some of the mythical beings into their religions. If you carefully examine the art forms of many native cultures on the Pacific coast of Canada, the United States, Central and South America, into whatever remnants of those cultures that are left behind, you might discover there are similarities in fact in the designs and the portrayals of the icons, the symbols, of their culture with some of the artwork found with the cultures of the ancient Chinese emperors. Does this make some sense to you?

PAUL H.: Oh, yeah.

MARK: I’m reminded of the Terra Cotta Army, terra cotta being very big throughout Mexico.

KRIS: Even the forms of the designs compared to the ancient Chinese designs might find similarities. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: There have been sufficient remnants of ancient Chinese artifacts in the waters off the coasts to warrant a rethinking of how some of these Native American Pacific coastal cultures have been influenced and your own group, with many others who are not here, participated in some of those coastal village invasions. The acquisition of wealth was far more potent than even any of the drugs that would have been used by yourselves at that time. And you did leave much progeny in some of these coastal areas.

(Laughter)

The treasures to take sometimes were not merely gold! This is but one small excursion.

MARK: I’m under the impression that I had more than one ancient Chinese pirate type focus and at least one where I died at sea through drowning, be it boats sinking through battle or whatever… but a drowning.

KRIS: Do not forget that even though you might be a small fleet of pirates, mutiny was a very common thing, especially if one ship had more gold than the other, as well as… (Pause)… The villagers in the small nations that you had invaded may not have been able to retaliate due to their lack of weapons, but they had specific knowledge of coastal weather and storms that initially your groups did not have, since you were in unfamiliar waters. And though you might have threatened them with: “Unless you tell us where the next villages were,” they might have very easily led you into areas where great sea storms were known to occur, often relishing the fact that a few days after you left, they would easily go to the shores and pick up some of their artifacts, after the sea had bashed some of your ships!

(Group chuckling)

This is an area that you can pursue with your own explorations and of course, feel free to do so. Do you have questions at this time?

PAUL T.: What time frame was this?

KRIS: We would estimate…. almost five to six hundred years before the arrival of Christopher Columbus, the opposite side of the continent.

JO: And the five of us were present in that focus and we were all men?

KRIS: Not necessarily all men, but you were all participating.

PAUL T.: There was a famous, I can’t remember her name, but a famous woman pirate who commanded something like nineteen hundred ships in the one thousand AD period. Were we associated with that group in some way?

KRIS: Where was this?

PAUL T.: It was in China and…. I wish I could remember her name….

KRIS: Time frame?

PAUL T.: About one thousand AD, between one thousand and eleven hundred AD. Right in the same time period where you estimated.

KRIS: (Pause) This was one of the many, many groups that were formed. Part of an even more extensive armada.

PAUL T.: Yes. Okay.

JO: (Humorously) ARRGH! That’s international pirate speak!

KRIS: There were periods of time where coastal villages were almost constantly at risk of invasion and pillaging from pirates of one kind or another, sometimes merely waves upon waves of pirates. In spite of many nations trying to establish calm on the high seas with naval fleets to counter the threats, sometimes this was not enough. The Muslims themselves were very adept, those that lived on the coasts, and they also had their fair share of colorful history in those areas. Do not forget also another very powerful conflict that did not occur only on land, but also on the seas, with the Roman Empire’s own naval fleets in northern European waters.

The ancient Britons were also quite capable of launching small raids upon Roman fleets, not only on land but on water, and the most colorful of all your experiences as a small group did not occur only on water. Though you had many a moment of great glory raising the skull and crossbones, you also had a great deal of fun on horseback. During the Spanish invasions of the South American people, you all had focuses that again recognized you would have far more riches if you actually broke away from the armies and act entirely on your own as renegades, even sometimes attacking your own former regiments and stealing the gold from them!

(Laughter)

PAUL T.: Turnabout, after all, is fair play!

KRIS: Indeed!

PAUL T.: So you are referring to the conquistadors now, right?

KRIS: Indeed. By that time, the conquistadors presence in South America had become established and their own problems with their own kind were far more difficult to deal with because there would often be contracts with natives to assist in raids upon soldiers’ camps, the only difficulty being that often the natives would also turn upon you after the enemy was eliminated. They were far more in number, at least those that did not die of disease.
Those particular episodes in South America were not only filled with the wonder of large amounts of gold, but coming into contact with a culture whose roots are indeed very ancient, whose ancestors had left behind extremely sophisticated cities, not all of which were above ground, the remnants often within large caverns. Some cities were so old, they were almost completely covered with very dense forest canopies, some which are still hidden to this day, some of which you have visited and pillaged, but done so rather quickly because you had heard legends of ancient curses and spirit beings which were of course amplified by your own suspicious natures at that time.

PAUL T.: And we of course left large numbers of progeny there as well.

KRIS: Not always in that particular lifetime, though you did take the occasional pleasure wherever you found it, the one difficulty being that not only were natives often prone to your European diseases, but you yourselves would often fall prey to tropical diseases and illnesses in areas where your immune systems had never been exposed to certain bacteria, just as the natives would often succumb to illnesses that you carried in your own bloodstream. Do you follow? Sometimes, though you might find unbelievable hordes of treasure, your own kind would leave you behind as too ill to care for you.

MARK: That would be the source of some of these myths on curses?

KRIS: In some respects, but your greatest fear was not to be left behind, but to be left behind as food for other human beings. Cannibalism was more frightening than any creature you might meet. Those particular adventures in South America, coming in contact with the remnants of civilizations that even to this day are still not uncovered, can spark ancient memories within your own psyches. Tapping into those individuals, those focuses, might awaken imagery, letting you know that man, humans, have been on your planet for a very long time, have raised many great civilizations as easily as they have been lost.

Though you might have been after little more than gold, many of you were still very curious about a part of the world you knew almost nothing of, about the remnants of a culture and civilization of which you were in awe and some of you — those who did survive — crossed through mountain paths to reach Pacific coastlines, but not through traditional mountain passages, but through tunnels, literally carved out of the rock, tunnels literally forgotten by time itself. You might even have encountered people who, in a bygone day, had been visited by your other focuses, the Chinese pirates, many centuries before. May we suggest a very small break?

MARK: Yes.

(Break at 8:31 PM)

MARK: Wow, tunnels under the mountains!

PAUL T.: That’s interesting!  Who would have carved those and how many lives did it cost?

MARK: They’ve been hidden for centuries.

PAUL H.: Kris was saying that around 1100 AD it was common for Chinese pirates to be on the west coast of this continent. Five hundred years before Columbus. That’s pretty far south for those guys!

MARK: There’s a very specific copper mine here in Ontario outside of Peterborough, a couple hours drive from here, and Vikings have been known to…. well, copper from that mine is found throughout Europe among the ancient Vikings…

PAUL H.: Oh, traceable, huh?

MARK: Yeah.

PAUL H.: I find it part of Kris’ whole approach, still very much a storyteller, and using this opportunity to continue his story, you know, filling in little gaps in our officially accepted history that we’re taught. I had an impression, going to pick up Paul, just briefly, about so many scoundrelly navy focuses out there, you know, but something about South America, which was interesting that he spent time just generally in South America with those focuses that we share.

MARK: I’m thinking of, or resonating with right now anyway, of… I can’t think of their names…. the precursors to the Masons.

JO: The Rosicrucians?

MARK: The Knights Templar. I think we’ve been in there too and even how we’ve salvaged some of the libraries of Alexandria and possibly some of those –

PAUL H.: Salvaged or ravaged?

MARK: Saved it, hid it, protected it. Took it away, but protected it. Among other things.

SERGE: So how did it go?

JO: Good, very good.

SERGE: I feel Kris is very…. very subdued, I guess.

(Kris returns at 8:42 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you realize that the undertaking of a pirate-like existence is not only for pillaging and robbing and hoarding gold and jewels and bounty, but it is also a statement. You could even say that the traditional pirate, whether male or female, may be the ancestor of today’s hippie anti-establishmentarian, fighting the establishment, pushing the envelope, resisting the authority, flaunting in the authority’s face, relishing the ability to be almost always one step ahead of the authority and the ruling class, knowing that one’s own name may indeed strike fear in the victim, and yet knowing that the victim who comes into your own territory invites your pillaging.

Some of the most well-known areas for pirates, of course, is in the Caribbean, and similar areas, the Antilles and so on, from the 1600′s even to the late 1700′s, perhaps even to the early 1800′s, where coastal towns and villages literally lived in fear, where even many of the inhabitants themselves sided with the pirates, gave them refuge, because they were oppressed by local governors and the ruling classes and foreign rulers. It was difficult for the local authorities to establish order because some of their own ranks were sympathizers with the pirates. In fact, many a governor was known to be dabbling into piracy in his own way, perhaps not with a ship, but with soldiers. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Sounds like current history!

KRIS: Sometimes not much changes!

(Laughter)

MARK: What about the highwaymen of Portugal, or around that area?

KRIS: Indeed. That was a small lifetime, not of any long duration. You could say it was an interpretation, an interpretive lifetime, based loosely on ancient legends of the one you call Robin Hood, from England. This occurred at the time of the Muslim, Ottoman Empire invasion of lower Europe. Small bands of individuals still resisted and though the Muslims who took control over those lands were sometimes very accommodating, not specifically demanding conversion as long as you did not bother them, they still ruled very strongly and the small bands of individuals would come together and engage in highway piracy. We ourselves enjoyed two expressions, one in that time frame and one in the time frame of the classic pirate era. We were not going to do without, knowing how much many of you were having fun!

That particular European pirate lifetime was short lived. The Muslims were often ruthless, but our own experience with a pirate focus was one of a great excitement and richness beyond the bounty we acquired. Each of you participated, and again, others who are not here. That particular lifetime, for our own group experience, was one of the more docile experiences, compared to those of the same era, in the same localities. We were less focused upon bloodshed, pillaging, raping and so on, but more so, specifically into the joy of acquiring other people’s wealth, especially British ships traveling from the colonies to the king with gold which we felt did not belong to the king or to the governors but to the people. So it was common for us to ambush the king’s ships, especially leaving port and harbor.

MARK: You wasted no time!

KRIS: Indeed! Acquiring the goods and redistributing it through other avenues. We should also mention that even though you are all physically focused in this particular reality, the physical dimension has many other opportunities that in your own minds might only occur through the avenues of science fiction, but do not be fooled by shelves filled with science fiction/fantasy books. Your species and your race is very creative in those areas, but only because they are tapping into a different brand of collective memory, memories of other lifetimes and experiences in other aspects of physical reality, and the notion of the glorious pirate is not limited to seafaring vessels or on horseback, but also in other cultures and civilizations that have mastered a kind of deep space travel.

MARK: [Unintelligible] Vimana?

KRIS: There have been and there are and always will be, other kinds of piracy, other kinds of scoundrels and knaves and ne’er-do-wells that carry on the tradition well beyond the confines of your planet and you have expressions that participate in those activities as well. Again, keeping a kind of tradition alive. Does that give you any ideas?

MARK: You guys?

PAUL T.:  I did identify… I probably have more than one, but I did identify one Caribbean pirate focus and that… there was quite a cast of characters that was assembled for that little passion play shall we say? Kris, was that focus of yours involved in that little band there?

KRIS: Indeed. Far be it from anyone to keep us from that kind of fun!

PAUL T.: So, might you be the person known as Captain Calico Jack?

KRIS: We believe that was the name of the focus, but it was also not the name of his birth.

PAUL T.: Okay. That means that Mark, you are probably the other person in that little triad. Calico Jack’s traveling companion…. her name escapes me at the moment…. I’ll have to do that offline. I can’t bring up the name at the moment.

MARK: Okay.

PAUL T.: I think that’s you, Mark. We had fun!

MARK: Yeah, I bet!

KRIS: Now, do keep in mind that often the figurehead pirate was not necessarily the most ruthless in the organization.

(Laughter)

PAUL T.: Oh, yes.

KRIS: You could say that the figurehead had to be accountable to the board of directors, the investors.

PAUL T.: The figurehead did have to keep the board of directors happy.

KRIS: The figurehead would have walked the plank and become shark food!

MARK: Were you able to establish a birth name?

PAUL T.: No, I mean, I found this online. I made the connection while reading this biography online.

JO: I have a focus that I saw in a couple of snapshots last year, things that appeared before my eyes as I was going to sleep of myself being a male pirate and laughing conspiratorially with another male pirate whose name was something like “Creole Billy” who was my friend Tracy’s focus and in the next scene we had both been tossed overboard. My focus, a long, lean pirate, kind of tried to grasp Billy and I think, pulling them both down. It seems like a Caribbean pirate focus.

KRIS: We believe you were part of a larger crew and often the predicaments that you found yourselves in were considered quite just punishment for holding out on your own shares!

JO: (Laughs) That’s what I got! We had double-crossed other members of the crew.

KRIS: And we believe we could say you were lucky to have been tossed overboard in one piece!

JO: Do you know if we survived that?

KRIS: Not that particular experience. There were far hungrier creatures in the waters than you all.

JO: Shark food!

KRIS: You could say that sharks were considered by many a pirate to be the best garburators around, dispose of evidence very neatly, better than Tommy Jones’ locker. (Interesting: Kris means of course, Davy Jones’ locker) You had a question? (Addressing Paul T., who had begun to make an inquiry).

PAUL T.: Oh, yeah. My Frank James focus… the focus of yours, which I ran across, I think your name was Lillian, but everybody knew you as Rose. You were a…. how shall we be charitable here?…. a hostess at a local establishment which that focus of mine frequented as often as his travels allowed him to.

KRIS: Now we did not participate in the context of that experience directly, but do keep in mind, Antolian, that we have often kept an eye out or open for your experiences, since many of your own experiences indeed are fascinating, as are ALL of your experiences. So we often observed.

PAUL T.: So you were an observing Essence of my focus.

KRIS: At that time.

MARK: Is Antolian Brahm?

KRIS: We believe you already know the answer to that!

MARK: Is he one of the sixteen?

KRIS: You might have to explain that.

PAUL T.: Yes, Mark, I didn’t quite understand.

MARK: I asked if Antolian is one of the Brahm energies. Kris has told us that there are sixteen plus Essences that make up his awareness. Philip is one of them, Joseph is one of them and so on, and I asked if you were. Those sixteen Essences also have Essences who have Essences and so on and so on [which] could be the Source for other Essences and so I was asking if Antolian was Brahm and he said. “You already know the answer to that.” So then I asked if you were one of the major sixteen.

PAUL T.: Interesting. So I am participating within the…. to use Elias’ terms, within the energy exchange? Fragmented from?

PAUL H.: (Explaining) It’s a lineage type fragmentation.

PAUL T.: Oh, that’s a very interesting connection there.

KRIS: This description of multiple Essence bodies participating in the construction and the establishment of a unique multi-dimensional matrix is not easily understood nor easily explained, since you have so little references in your own linguistic data base to describe the phenomenon. Suffice it to say that as a multi-dimensional matrix, not everything can be perceived nor even physically expressed even though it exists in the background of your own physical creations. So much more needs to be explored. So much more needs to be understood in a manner that can help your own multi-dimensional perspectives grow. And you are slowly learning and experimenting in those areas.

Part of the reason of this Shift of Consciousness as it is being called, is to reawaken the remembrance of what Essence is, even beyond your syntactical definitions, for it will never be completely contained within word descriptions. And to rely solely upon such verbal descriptions already necessitates a great deal of censoring vast amounts of subjective energies that can only be experienced at those deeper layers of feeling experiences, hence the idea of “remembrance.” You do not remember with words, you remember with subjective experimentation, correct?

PAUL T.: And, very briefly a moment I had here was exactly one of those subjective sort of connections with the knowing of other dimensional focuses. It was extremely strong in me when I was a child. I had absolutely no way of expressing the tone and at that time I was hit by the strangeness of how that doesn’t fit into this dimension well. I had a very strong flooding of how a taste of this connection, this sixteen of Brahm that you are referring to.

KRIS: Indeed, and even then, those are mere glimpses that you have perceived.

PAUL T.: Oh, yeah, it doesn’t fit very well here.

KRIS: As an aside to yourself, Antolian, we have no specific way of determining if it is possible for you to research some of the Tibetan lamas, but somewhere between seven and ten years before your birth, a very high Tibetan lama passed away and that particular energy fragmented and would have been considered as an incarnation of that lama had others in that lineage found you. Does that make any sense to you?

PAUL T.: Yes. It’s the… that explains greatly the ease that I have of connecting with the energies of other focuses of mine and to draw on that feeling-tone so I can surmise that that is the criteria that those lineages used to determine if somebody is a quote unquote “reincarnation”?

KRIS: They might not necessarily understand it in that specific way, because they will follow their own traditions and might not understand the fragmentation, but this is usually what occurs when they research and look for the next incarnation of one of their high lamas and are able to assist in the recollection of memories that they can then identify. They do follow a tone. Do you understand?

PAUL T.: Yes, because a fragmentation does not lose the tone of what it fragments from. It is a slightly different direction of intent. All of the experiences there.

KRIS: It would incorporate some of the original tonality, but still develop in a different approach and we do not recommend that you approach any lamas now and stake claims!

PAUL T.: (Laughing) Okay! Thank you for the advice! A fascinating little tidbit. Thank you.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:13.

KRIS: Do you have other questions?

JO: Just about my friend Jesse James. It seems pretty clear to me that his focus is THAT Jesse James. Am I correct?

KRIS: There are similarities. This is something we are not quite ready yet to develop, but there are… give us one small moment… (Breathing deeply)… We have briefly broached this in the past, something we believe we referred to quickly as “focus blueprints” where a certain genre of energy display is available to many individuals. In some of your own psychologies they are referred to as archetypes, perhaps minor archetypes. These focus blueprints allow more than one individual to fashion their energetic intent upon those premises in…. we should say, investing their life experiences along that energy that may be shared by other individuals. Thus, your friend carries that particular blueprint within the intent of the personality. That may not necessarily have been that particular focus. Do you understand?

JO: Yes, we talked about this with regards to my impression that I was Anastasia.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Is this sort of what it’s like to be counterpart as opposed to be just another expression of Essence?

KRIS: Not even specifically counterpart. It is a different domain. Think of it this way: In the library there may be a book called “Treasure Island” with a character called Long John Silver with a parrot on his shoulder and a peg leg….

JO: Arrgh!

KRIS: Indeed! And many young boys — and girls — will read the story and as they read it and even after they read it, they feel an intense desire to be like one of the characters in that story, if not even Long John himself, and they might indeed feel that strong connection and they might go to a psychic or later on in life meet a psychic and discuss this and it might appear as if they were that individual. But what if three hundred children out of the one library read that story and what if there were three hundred libraries that each had three hundred children read the book? Is it that all of these individuals are Long John Silver?

We think not, but there is a genuine feeling-tone here and it needs to be addressed, and similar situations need to be addressed. We use that example because it is on the topic tonight, but it could very well have been Joan of Arc. It could have been Catherine of Medici or any other famous person. And yet, not everyone could have been these individuals, correct? So there is a deeper psychology at play here. An Essence and the focus personality, through those specific qualities to their own developing personality for profound reasons, not only to spark the imagination, to create wonderful daydreams, to invent play, childhood play and so on, but it establishes character formation in some degree. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

JO: And this happens, for example, whether or not the person has read about Jesse James? There is an actual….

KRIS: That is correct. One does not have to have read a book. It may easily have been acquired telepathically as a genuine need for that developing personality to add dimension to its structure and it would have been incorporated within the larger play of their development. Of course they would not necessarily have become Jesse James or Long John Silver, but the tones of the qualities inherent within those characters are added to their own and unfortunately we do not have the more refined languages of your psychologies to explain this at this time, but as the idea can be developed, there would be merit in understanding this.

JO: That is very interesting. Thank you.

KRIS: (To Paul H.) What say you, quiet Janaki, tonight?

PAUL H.: I’m just taking it all in tonight and I’m resting my vocal chords. But I’m taking it all in.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H.: Just punctuating the session with a few “Arrgh’s” now and then, giving my friends have a chance to talk to you because I get the privilege every couple of weeks.

KRIS: This time around you are being more like the parrot on the shoulder!

(Laughter)

Even a one-eyed patch parrot. What is the time?

MARK: 9:22.

KRIS: Then if you… are there any other questions?

PAUL T.: Just once again my appreciation for our friendship that transcends time and space.

KRIS: Indeed! The friendship, camaraderie, companionship, knows no time nor space and as we suggested earlier, in what you referred to as deep space in what would ordinarily be understood as a future time which occurs presently in other areas of your deep space, there are other adventures, other realities engage in many different adventures.

MARK: That I understand.

PAUL T.: Yes, I’m going to be joining you in your neck of the woods.

KRIS: Indeed. Always watch for the throat, as any good pirate should!

PAUL T.: Arrgh!

KRIS: Indeed, then we will leave you to your “Arrgh’s” and may you enjoy the echoes of this evening. Even though we have been rather subdued, do not again let that fool you. As any good pirate knows, the quiet seas always beget the storms. And rest well my lovely pirates.

ALL: Thank you.

(Session ends at 9:24 PM)

Private Session with Daniel G. (U.S.A.)

March 13, 2006

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Daniel
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 13, 2006

(Session begins)

KRIS: We trust that you are comfortable.

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration.

DANIEL: You’re welcome.

KRIS: If you have some questions or inquiries, please feel free to ask.

DANIEL: Well, uhm, I thank you for talking to me… and, basically, I would like to explore the situation I have with the whole not working, not wanting to work, and where’s that taking me, because it’s kind of scary at times.

KRIS: How long have you been unemployed or on the unemployment hamster wheel?

DANIEL: Well, I went through a thing of about two years where I was sort of working at times, and then I guess… 6-8 months straight where I was working recently, and then stopped… it’s been something that’s been on and off for a very long period of time now. I very much prefer not working, although I guess the consequences of that don’t make me happy. And so it’s kind of an oscillation between two states, neither of which are entirely optimal.

KRIS: May we inquire as to your physical age?

DANIEL: I’m 26 years old.

KRIS: We perceive several issues, many of which you might benefit greatly from further exploring, defining, and coming to terms with. Firstly, you would enhance your own position with the understanding that all of the events and circumstances, conditions, and situations in your life are the result of your beliefs, your attitudes, your expectations, your convictions, et cetera– that there are no outside agencies that affect your situation other than yourself. We believe you have an understanding of these issues, correct?

DANIEL: Yes, perhaps maybe just an intellectual one. I don’t know how or to what degree I’ve really understood them.

KRIS: Even on an intellectual basis is an excellent starting point. We perceive also that there are perceptions you hold that are somehow or other, even though on the one hand, you worry about the lack of employment and all of what that entails, there is also a belief that somehow or other the universe will still see you through all of these situations. And this is not a reproach. It is a helpful belief, certainly. But at the same time, on its own, the universe cannot do for you what you can do for yourself. But it will do for you what you are unable to do.

As an example, if as an adult you wish to return to finish any degrees or education, you can make all of the proper contacts and all the research for the courses and the counseling that would be fortuitous for furthering your educational career. Now if, on the one hand, funds are lacking, then it would be to your advantage to know how much you can do with all of the background research, and at the same time, communicate to your universe what it is that you are unable to accomplish for the universe to find the ways and the means to make this a reality in your life. Such as, perhaps, “haphazardly” or “coincidentally” meeting with individuals who know the mechanics of getting grants and other funding which would see you through the education you wish to pursue. Do you follow?

DANIEL: I do.

KRIS: How much effort are you putting now into your search for employment and what is your field of interest?

DANIEL: Well, right now, I’m putting about… speaking in a very narrow timeframe– about none. Because I just feel very frustrated with… I don’t know. I mean, sometimes I get ideas of things that seem like they’d be compatible with my inner drives, but then that’s very short-lived and I just feel kind of at sea, so then that frustrates me and I get into this cycle of where I push myself really hard– think that I should be getting a job and other times where I just give up entirely, which is kind of the area of the cycle that I’m in now.

KRIS: And what kind of fields are your interests in?

DANIEL: Well, that’s something I thought I knew really well awhile back. Now it’s not so clear. I come from, I guess, a place where I was really interested in music and media and anything electronic having to do with the internet… new distribution methods for art, that sort of thing. And most recently I was kind of interested in things related to surveying and geographical-type systems… but that was very short-lived.

KRIS: What is your educational level?

DANIEL: I like to say just high school, because the college stuff was very… I don’t know… and I did it and just got [inaudible] like most things, a lot of things, it’s a general pattern in my life. I got involved with it and started feeling very strongly that it wasn’t really what I wanted to do, that it was unnecessary… well, depending on the point of view, but unnecessary for my inner development. [I] got sick of it, so I’ve been in and out of college. I would say I am probably around the sophomore level at the university, but maybe not even that.

KRIS: Do you perceive that there is indeed a pattern to your own mental behavior, to your objectives and drives?

DANIEL: I see a pattern with respect to yeah, like the end result, how I end up, you know getting in situations and then shortly getting out of them. But as far as something I can get a handle on and use in a conscious and creative way… I don’t know how to address or look at it so that’s a pattern. But I do see a very negative pattern in terms of something that seems to be not working for me. But all the same, it’s very natural, and that’s something that really confuses me.

KRIS: And if you were to dig deeper, beneath those obvious observations what kind of beliefs or convictions would you imagine are at work here?

DANIEL: Well, I mean, at a VERY deep level I would say and this is maybe what I’m too focused on, but at a very deep level the idea that I can’t provide for myself, that I require these external [inaudible] and companies and… the entire economy and things to operate in, that I can’t just be a self-sufficient creature. But I think that’s probably more deep than any human being alive is able to address… which makes me think that it’s kind of just a cop-out on my part.

But at a more immediate level, I have beliefs or I guess… [inaudible] will enjoy working, and I think it’s a waste of time and lifetime to be doing something– beliefs that to go to an office or do something that would pay a reasonable amount of money are things that I inherently don’t like, that are unsatisfying and that are pointless from the point of view from my own intent, so maybe beliefs in that sort of area. In addition to ones that I can’t sustain myself and that I need help from outside, which would contribute to me living with my parents right now.

KRIS: So you have caught yourself in a bind, being in a place where you would prefer your own freedoms, your own sustainability, and also being unable to accomplish those very things that you desire. Being caught between those two extremes is indeed even more frustrating. Now, on the one hand there might even be other kinds of beliefs fueling your situation. For example, you briefly alluded to a proverbial cop-out, which holds more truth than you give credit for.

For example, in the early days of computers and internet, Joseph could not necessarily afford a higher-priced color monitor. Therefore, he reasoned to himself that since most of his usage of a computer or even the internet was geared to work, such as word processing and so on and so forth, then having a color monitor was quite likely a waste of time and good earned money, until one was offered to him at an extremely affordable price and he became aware that he had created a philosophy of denial on that very small issue. Once he glimpsed, for himself, a color monitor, he realized that he had created this cop-out to justify-by claiming that color monitors were a waste of time and money, and mostly only used by people who play games, therefore wasting more time. Do you understand?

This is perhaps a far-sounding psychology, but nonetheless it became part of his reality for a time. Once he got the new color monitor there was no turning back, with full awareness of what he had done to set himself up. So we are suggesting to you also, that you are in some respects also buying into your own cop-out.

There are underlying beliefs about fears concerning what you would refer to as to as your own freedoms of creativity and expression, and the fear that if you were locked into a routine, where you go to work at 9 and come home at 5– the old “9 to 5 drudgery,” then somehow or other, your creativity, your own life force might be diminished. And that in itself is a harmful belief to hold, especially when you cannot come up with any other alternatives and are surreptitiously suffering as a result. Do you follow?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: It might a simple matter of exploring other options and biting the bullet, for a time– perhaps even taking a small course in something that interests you, and making it so that you see it through to the very end. Not with the idea that you have already forecast that within weeks into the new subject matter, you will deliberately lose interest– force yourself to lose interest. Do you understand? But instead, that you can foresee that pursuing even this small course to the very end might open doors to your own potential.

There is another belief that you hold, is that in spite of the areas of interest, you do not believe that you have the potential to actually pursue any such endeavor– even into new areas of creativity and exploration– and you use the idea that it is difficult to find employment to further add to your own struggle at this time. Even though statistics may show that employment has dropped, that it is more difficult to find jobs, there are still many people who do not believe the statistics, but instead believe that they will find– even if an interim employment– but they will find something to sustain them that will lead to other opportunities. And not that the first job they must have, must meet all of their fulfillment right off the top. Do you follow?

DANIEL: [Very emotionally] I do. I guess I just have a question… how did this come to be such a strong issue for me? I don’t understand the trajectory. How I got to where I am now. … desired, or just, pursuing the wrong direction for such a long time, that I feel… ? I don’t know. I guess that’s what scares me.

KRIS: Indeed, we are well understanding [of] your dilemma and it might be even less of a dilemma and moreso a matter of recognizing the extremes that you wish to experience. It is obvious, as we have said earlier; there are no outside agencies or forces that form your reality but yourself. So you would have chosen this particular struggle because underneath even those beliefs we have explored briefly with you and something you have also touched upon, but not in sufficient depth, is the belief that you have the abilities, the strengths, the tools, the resources, and the power to determine your own course in life. So fearful, in a manner of speaking, are you in some of those areas, that you yourself recognize when you undertake a project, even before you are able to feel its benefits, you pull back from it. Correct?

DANIEL: Yes. Absolutely.

KRIS: So there is a frustration, with your own ability to actually feel that you are an effective and powerful force in the very life that you have given yourself. Does that make sense to you?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: And it is good to let the tears wash away the frustration.

DANIEL: [crying]

KRIS: For the time being, you will have to settle for a psychological hug.

DANIEL: [Laughing a bit through the tears] Thank you.

KRIS: All of these things are not meant to focus upon the areas where you feel powerless, but instead to recognize that those states of mind, which include those emotional states, belie the strengths that you have. You hide your strengths from yourself. There are reasons for this that stretch beyond the normal parameters of time and space, into other lifetimes. We believe that, in one specific focus or Expression of Essence, you have been very successful, but at the same time, had become very cold, an uncaring individual and if you look at your present situation, you will recognize that you are indeed a very caring and sensitive individual, correct?

DANIEL: I think at times… it depends. I would say moreso than not.

KRIS: Indeed. Not everyone is caring one hundred percent of the time, but you try to have a well-balanced situation. In this particular so-called “other life,” you used people for a variety of your pleasures-either working them to the bone with very little pay and [you] pretended that you did not care for the outcome as long as the bottom line was important. Do you understand?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: In retrospect, there is a thought within you that if you, once again, venture forth in the business ventures and successes, you might once again lose touch with your basic humanity. And you need NOT worry about this anymore, since you are not in that lifetime. Does that make some sense to you?

DANIEL: Yes, it does make sense… kind of ironic, I guess.

KRIS: You are establishing a system of checks and balances. Are you also prone to mild bouts of depression?

DANIEL: Well… when it happens, I don’t think I’d even call it mild, you know?

KRIS: Are you taking any medications?

DANIEL: No, that’s something I’ve always really resisted.

KRIS: Would you consider alternatives? Something herbal that would not mask the issues but help your body establish an even keel, so that its resources work for you and not against you? … As an adjunct, not something as a crutch.

DANIEL: Yes. Well, I mean, I wonder why that’s such a big deal to me-this fear of something as a crutch. I’m very scared of the idea of being put on drugs, or being crazy, that sort of thing. But I would consider it.

KRIS: Indeed, a very effective herbal product is called St. John’s Wort. It is best taken in soft caps or more specifically, as a liquid tincture and it can assist in the regulation of brain chemicals– not to hinder, but indeed to stabilize levels of serotonin and dopamine in the brain, so that you are more on an even keel, emotionally speaking– which can give you more freedom to stabilize your own journey as a good starting point.

DANIEL: I’ll consider it… see if it’s available.

KRIS: Indeed. It is relatively inexpensive and has been known to assist many individuals. Please continue, feel free to do so.

DANIEL: [crying] I kind of wanted to ask about… the Ibogaine experience that I had in May of last year, when I went to Florida and took the Ibogaine, and I just… afterward I just couldn’t stop crying.

KRIS: What is this? What is the product?

DANIEL: Oh, it’s uhm… called Ibogaine. It’s an extract of an African plant called Iboga, used there for religious ceremonies. I took it because I wanted to experience… well you know with my tendency to extremes, I wanted something really powerful that would show me something. And during the experience I just saw this cloud, I don’t know how to describe it, it was like purple and undulating and expanding. And after that there was sort of like this womb experience, I just felt … so happy, perfect, there was nothing wrong. And there was also, I felt like I was going to die right there, that somehow I had chosen to die, but I didn’t want to… and so I just sort of, I don’t know– I’m not sure exactly what happened. I mean, I didn’t die obviously, but I just wondered what that was all about. Probably one of the few things that really touches me when I can think about it…

KRIS: How do you fare afterwards?

DANIEL: Well, you mean immediately or long-term?

KRIS: Both.

DANIEL: Immediately I was… I just felt so happy to be alive, everything was so beautiful and couldn’t believe that a person could feel that happy and simply be. I was eating an orange, and it was just so beautiful. And I was thinking about my girlfriend and my family and my parents specifically… and I just loved them so much, and I was so happy to be alive afterwards. But then, long-term, I dunno… it’s faded over time, it’s almost inaccessible a lot of the time. It’s been occluded by this resentment or general confusion, I don’t know. The very things that I think brought me back are the very things that I don’t want anything to do with right now.

KRIS: We believe that, first of all, such herbs are used in very specific ceremonies and rituals, not unlike peyote. There is usually a traditional shaman involved in the process, with very specific instructions. And in your own situation, with your own brain chemistry– slightly more delicate than the average individual– and with the taking of the herb outside of its traditional context, you were unprepared for the outcome. And it literally exacerbated the imbalances that are usually at a small level in your own brain. You experienced a large influx of serotonin and dopamine and other brain chemicals that helped temporarily heighten your perceptions and your feeling-tones to the point possibly where everything did seem brighter, more colorful, more beautiful… including feelings themselves. Correct?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: And when you started coming down from that experience, there was a sharp contrast and you experienced the underside of that– leaving you feeling somewhat high and dry. If a more careful approach had been undertaken, taking into consideration your predisposition to mood swings as such, perhaps a lower dosage with more careful supervision would have brought a different outcome. But we do not suggest that you venture there at any time, period. Do you understand?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: Now, are you familiar with auto-suggestions?

DANIEL: Pretty well, I think.

KRIS: Auto-suggestion is not mysterious. It is also part of how an individual excites beliefs, as beliefs themselves are little more than ideas or thoughts to which you address high degrees of concentration over others. Do you follow?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: Utilizing auto-suggestion’s gentle nature, you may even be able to suggest to your unconscious that this issue be resolved, and that you can feel that the outcome of that experience is settled in a very simple manner. Do you follow?

DANIEL: I think so. Suggesting that the outcome of the… Florida experience be resolved?

KRIS: Indeed. That it no longer affect you adversely, but that instead, you can gather strength from it, even if in small increments, so that you can monitor your own progresses in that area. You may do this before you fall asleep, or at any other time and then let go of the thoughts of the suggestions. The idea is not to dwell overly much on those issues, but just enough so that it takes hold and you continue with your day. Are you also familiar with something called NLP, or neuro-linguistic programming?

DANIEL: A little bit. I did some reading and it was kind of related.

KRIS: Indeed. It can assist greatly in the clearing up of old belief structures and of the establishing of new belief structures. You might indeed benefit from contacting practitioners. There is also another issue that we perceive here, and that is: so far you have looked at a few careers, or potentially beneficial careers, and they have been mostly in line with what is en vogue, correct? With what is current?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: How do you feel concerning people?

DANIEL: Uhm… well, I kind of like ‘em in small doses. I don’t consider myself to be… well, beyond that, I think that I’m very much not good with people in terms of business relationships, customer service, that kind of thing. When it’s more of an informal, friendly thing… I think I’m better. I’ve always kind of considered myself kind of an outcast or at least a person who is very introspective.

KRIS: Indeed, you are also an individual who would like to have things on your own terms, to be your own boss for example. Perhaps investigating the potential of something like… becoming a massage therapist, or even assisting in the fields of healing sciences, perhaps offering reiki, or hypnotherapy as a means of working with people, but on your own terms and being your own boss. And this a small sampling… we are certain that you can widen the horizons of your curiosity by looking into these various fields, without going off the deep end.

DANIEL: [Laughs] That’s always the trick. I had a little… I dunno, mental fantasy kind of recently about moving out and doing that… like, hypnosis sessions over the phone.. but, I dunno.

KRIS: You would have to train first. Do you understand?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: There are various kinds of fields in that domain. There is Ericksonian hypnosis, there are the standardized views of hypnotherapy and these branch off as well. There is NLP. There are many other fields. There is EFT, emotional field therapy… many others that might just spark your interest in providing a resource for individuals so that they can provide resources for themselves in those areas. Many of these interests would leave you entirely free to design your own work schedules and to remain autonomous.

DANIEL: I can see them as possibilities.

KRIS: There are many places that can offer such things and even introductory sessions before you decide to commit to go through the process without forcing you to commit beforehand. Become aware of your own abilities and present limitations in any of those areas, with the intent that you will overcome whatever in the past has been considered a shortcoming, so that you can enrich your own existence, and enjoy living in a whole new way… in a way that you love, as opposed to concentrating into what you do not want, and what you fear. Do you follow?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

DANIEL: I had a dream, I guess it was last year, might have even been the year before. I walked out in the street and there was something flying overhead and it ended up being this hotel that was being powered or driven by these anti-gravity jets or something. It was a real technical feat in the dream and I was really amazed by it. I think it even set down near me and some other people went up to inspect it, after it had landed, if I’m remembering it right. I was just wondering, maybe you could help me see what I should be looking at in that, or what I might ask myself about it.

KRIS: What would a hotel represent to you, whether small or large?

DANIEL: A place where people who are traveling stay. Like a nice place for them to have a rest on their journey.

KRIS: Indeed. It is a destination for travelers– an interim resting place. It is also interesting that such a place would itself be traveling.

DANIEL: [Laughing]

KRIS: Our perception is that first of all, this is the interpretation of the deep dream state, as you interpreted it through the filters of your beliefs. Our perception is that in the dream itself, you and many others came together and traveled together, exploring different areas of potential, meeting new people in the dream state and communicating with them, discussions about journeying, traveling, and exploring, other facets and aspects of reality. And as is commonly understood, a point of reference for many travelers is a hotel, a place to come together and discuss, if there are conferences and so on within it, slightly different from a university or school or teaching environment. This was mainly a meeting place of other travelers including yourself. So at deep dream layers, very deep subjective layers, you and others communicated for the sharing of potential. Even if all you remember is an interpretation through that imagery, you still receive some benefits of the dream experience. Do you understand or does that make sense to you?

DANIEL: [Affirms]

KRIS: And it is also possible that, unconsciously, you likely tapped into potentials on your own physical plane. You are familiar of course with cruise ships. They are basically hotels on water, correct? Some are even small cities on water. But there are companies trying to build something akin to the cruise ship, but that flies. And it is possible that you intuited that imagery and tied it in with the dream. Please continue.

DANIEL: Well, we don’t have very long left, so … I didn’t write anything down, as far as to ask. There were so many questions bouncing around my mind that I just figured I go with it and see what made the most sense to ask about.

I guess I can ask you– there’s this girl Valerie, she used to live here in El Paso, she now lives in Austin. And maybe this really isn’t that unique to her– there was someone kind of before her that was similar in my response, and I just wondered why she seems to evoke such a happiness in me, even though it seems, or at least it’s my interpretation that there’s no romantic potential there, not even that I desire that there should be. But somehow I just really like this person, and I just wonder why… why her and not anyone else, is there any special connection there? And I was reading in Elias about counterparts and that sort of thing…

KRIS: Indeed. We believe that this is an individual in terms of other lives that you have known that brings a certain recognition within you, even if it is entirely subjective, you feel the results of that subjective exploration through the memories, even if they do not come up specifically, you still feel the echoes of recognizing an individual you have known in other lives, that you have participated with.

We do have a suggestion that occasionally we share with individuals. You are familiar with how sometimes other people tell their friends, “You need to learn to love yourself a little more?” We are certain this may even have been said to you before, correct?

[uh-huh]

In the majority of the times, this is something that is offered and stays merely at the intellectual levels, correct?

[yup]

Yet, if you take it from the intellectual realm where you do like to spend a lot of time [laughter], and you bring it down to the physical level, to literally learn to make love to yourself in every aspect of the term– to love your creaturehood, to love yourself as a physical human being, and to make love to that physical human being… even if you feel somewhat awkward, sheepish about it, and so on. But to take the time to develop a loving relationship with your body and every aspect of it– including erotic– and allow yourself to absorb the glow of that experience. The point not being to do the regular thing– as in most erotic ventures with the body– and finalize it within two minutes, do you understand?

[mhmm]

But to take the time to explore your body, make love to it. Perhaps in the same way you would wish another individual to make love to you. Take the time to explore the parameters of your feelings with this, and learn to enjoy the pleasure of it. We are certain that over even a small amount of time, you would begin to reap the benefits of this in a very strong way. You might even benefit from reading a small book called The Multi Orgasmic Man. Search for that title and read it and connect with the deep, physical, human part of your energies… would prove very beneficial.

DANIEL: I don’t think I could disagree with that at all.

KRIS: Indeed, life is meant to be pleasurable, and not a struggle. The best place to start then is with self– LITERALLY. Now we believe it is time to end our lovely discussion. And over and above all things, every once in awhile, regardless of all appearances, let yourself know that you are a blessed and cherished being. We also suggest you delve deeply into material we have presented in the past concerning the ‘Triple-A Method’, the ‘Ask Why’ method, and so on and so forth. They are easily identified on the website in the digest or the guide. Do you follow?

[yup]

And with that, we send you the blessings you resist giving to yourself, and any other blessings you would do yourself a service to offer freely to your own being and we return Joseph to you now.

DANIEL: Thanks, Kris.

(Session ends)

One’s Own Power

March 12, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 12 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene) and John (Sohars)

(8:03 PM Session begins)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are as jovial and lively as ever. We are proposing then, that this evening be one of warmth and discussions, prompted by your questions and inquiries without having to give out any dissertation. We are, after all, entitled to some small break.

(Short pause)

MARK: Who’s got a question?

JOHN: I have a question. This is a question that may be a tiny bit unfair to ask of Kris, since it’s kind of a little bit on the Elias material, but I think you’ll understand the question. The idea is….it seems to me that there are two different kinds of beliefs; there are the beliefs that are wrong and the beliefs that are right!

MARK: (Laughs)

JOHN: (Also laughing) And what I mean by that is, the belief I was brought up with, is that I’m separate from Source, there might not even BE a Source, that the world is out to get me and I have to make my way alone, in Essence….I mean, (chuckling at his choice of word)…excuse me. You know what I mean.

(Group laughter)

JOHN: Now, that’s a belief. There’s another belief, which is that I’m an Expression of Essence, that I have unlimited resources, that I’m never alone, that I’m connected to everything. Now, one of those beliefs is wrong and one is right, it seems to me.

KRIS: It is quite possible that the very notion that there are wrong or right beliefs is in itself a limitation on the perspectives that you deal with yourself. Both sets can be fully operational, and quite complementary to the fulfillment of those who literally plug into either one at any given time. They are not necessarily right or wrong beliefs, they are both useful and part of your system of dualities.

Some individuals may choose to engage a lifetime of events and circumstances that reflect that collective assumption that humankind is nothing but a biological machine, the perceptions of which is little but the chemical and neurological functions within the brain, that there is no consciousness but that which is the result of chemicals in that brain, and nothing to look forward to but feeding the worms.

And there are many wonderful individuals who take up that challenge and try to push the limits of that kind of a perception, how it affects and influences their whole lives, what kind of psychology they gather from holding those perceptions, those unique convictions, in whatever arrangement or symphony-like composition those various convictions are structured.

And they can indeed uncover many useful insights into the composition of their very human personality structure, eventually to also realize that such an experiment still leads you back to Source, because such an experiment really doesn’t truly cover the answers to life’s questions. Does that make some sense to you?

JOHN: Yes. So the idea is that those beliefs are chosen for a good nurturing purpose, and they fulfill that purpose up to a point, the beliefs themselves up to a certain point end up being limiting, though.

KRIS: Indeed, so they are not necessarily wrong, but their mileage actually expires at certain point, RIGHT AFTER the guarantee expires! (Laughter)

JOHN: Right. Now, is there a situation where my emerging beliefs in my connection to Source, in Sohars’ multi-dimensional playground, can be a limiting belief as well? Take me only so far and then prove to be –

KRIS: That is not something we would specifically consider a limiting or even a belief, but a simple FACT OF EXISTENCE — not of life — but of EXISTENCE.

JOHN: Okay then there’s two categories here then, there’s simple fact of existence, and there’s belief.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Ah, ha ha! Okay, well, I’ll let it go at that for now, but we’ll be back at ya on that one!

KRIS: Now when various fields of convictions are at play, you might encounter conflict and incongruencies depending upon where you situate yourself in the various fields. Someone having grown up completely convinced that existence is finite, there is no being outside of the human arena, that you are born of the dust of the Earth and you will return to it, that is the end of the story, suddenly encounters deeper reflections of his or her existence with the notion that there IS indeed Source to Self.

Self is much more than its mortal appearance, and everything that comes with that package may be in for a powerful awakening and struggle as he or she situates themselves and may wish to not deal with the larger questions and answers about existence, because it may create turbulence upon their carefully laid out journey that once you die, that is the end of story.

Whilst the other field says that there is always more than one human journey, there is more to Self than the body of flesh and blood, and there may be conflicts until the individual comes to terms with the set of beliefs and the facts. Do you understand?

JOHN: Yes, I think so. A follow-up discussion around that issue: we’re beginning to understand that our beliefs influence our perception and that it’s real — it’s as real as anybody else’s reality and so it is by their beliefs — but there’s a limit to how beliefs create our reality in the sense that I can believe I’m not connected to Source, but I’m still connected to Source [despite my belief].

KRIS: Indeed, you will activate the realities pertinent to your beliefs and you will ignore any hints, evidence, and leads that point to the greater dimension of Self, sometimes vehemently so, so as not to rock the boat. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yeah. I think so.

KRIS: That implies a subjective awareness of the fact and the utilization of energies to suppress and deny that which you subjectively have recognized.

JOHN: Yes…

KRIS: So that creates additional conundrums.

JOHN: So the facts of the matter are continually percolating up from the subjective, so to speak.

KRIS: Indeed and even to your objective.

JOHN: And even into the objective. And so the belief structures that we are aligned with don’t create our reality in a way that negates, at any level, the fact of the matter. It’s just a layer on top.

KRIS: Indeed and you can choose to wear rose-colored glasses or not. And there is nothing wrong with wearing rose-colored glasses. The only time it becomes a point of contention is when you remove the rose-colored glasses to see reality for what it is, and THEN choose to put the rose-colored glasses BACK ON –

JOHN: (Laughs)

KRIS: — and ignore the greater depth of the experience you engaged.

JOHN: You may even get a little darker shade of rose-colored glasses.

KRIS: Indeed or there must be a greater insistence that reality is not what it is.

JOHN: Okay, that’s helpful.

MYRNA: I’d like to continue this, if I may. I have found the last month — two months, three months — Earth-shattering for me in terms of some understanding. John and I continue to meet weekly and we dig deeper into some of your teachings — actually, not your teaching – me teaching me! (Laughs) — Hello out there!

So what’s been profound for me, and I think you said it all in the transcript “Psychological Weather Fronts.” What’s been profound for me is that there’s no agency outside of myself — that’s been huge — and that when something or someone happens in my life, it has been a response to an emotional whatever happening in me, and it’s there to draw my attention to an aspect or a limiting belief or whatever, but it’s about ME, it’s something I’ve used to draw my attention to me, so I love that. I love that, even though sometimes I get very confused about what I’m supposed to be paying attention to, I love the challenge.

Where….I wonder now…and I need to stop just for a moment…that has changed my life — that knowing — absolutely changed my life and I look forward to five years from now seeing how my life has changed as a result of that knowing, so….thank you. I have HUGE gratitude. Huge gratitude. What I’m wondering about now is when is something a belief, and when am I being shown in my purpose? Now maybe that’s a bizarre question, I don’t know…but I…do you know what I’m trying to –

KRIS: You are asking two different things. As for when are you being shown your purpose, this still resides in the field of the linear, rational perceptions. The notion that one MUST HAVE a purpose, perhaps even a divine purpose, is itself fraught with limitations. What if, instead of putting your one egg in a basket, you were to discover that you have a dozen eggs that can also hold in multiple baskets and that there would be no conflicts? That in truth, the whole purpose of your existence IS that purpose.

Everything that you do, all of the thoughts, the challenges you have thrown to yourself, the many times you have picked up and put down the gauntlet, are also your purpose. The many tears of sorrow and tears of joy, both are examples of various purposes as well. In other words, there is no one set purpose, as if the whole of your existence hinges upon its discovery. Without the discovery, life may have no meaning. Do you understand?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: This is a strong issue in many, if not most — if not all — metaphysical and New Age groups of one kind or another: the finding out of one’s life purpose. “What is my mission in life?” Do you follow?

MYRNA: I do on a real level, experiential level in that….I haven’t found it! (Laughs) What I wonder is, is it simply to….simply, SIMPLY to understand me as I go the 89 years of life here?

KRIS: In as few words as possible…YES….Realizing the depth of the enchantment of the development of your own personality is potentially the most grace-filled and divine of purposes. Some individuals find that they are best overall in one capacity as opposed to others or many capacities; but the majority of individuals may actually impede their sense of self-worth by insisting that they must have ONE gigantic cosmic purpose for being in the here and now, and that their fulfillment depends solely upon its discovery. Do you follow so far?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Now, there are other psychological areas attached to this notion concerning self-worth, concerning value fulfillment, concerning issues about personal self-imposed limitations making oneself a victim of one’s own apparent ignorance about that incapacity to discover “what is my life mission”, as if you are, in this life, for only one thing and one thing alone. And if you do not find it, then indeed, you have missed on this life. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: These issues relate to powerful belief structures and unfortunately, most of this so-called New Age, metaphysical world gives the impression that if you find your life mission, you are saved. And we believe this is a precarious situation to get involved with. Do you understand the sense of it?

MYRNA: Yes. I do.

KRIS: Even those individuals who seem to shine in one area, do not do that one thing all the time. Someone who is very good at being a CEO may also be capable of being a good life mate, parent, child, friend, and so on and so forth. There are some who are incapable of anything else. That is also something they have chosen and they have literally gravitated to themselves those belief structures that only reinforce that one aspect of their personality to the detriment of everything else. Do you follow that?

MYRNA: I do.

KRIS: In our humble opinion, discovering the joy of being oneself, and expressing that joy in as many ways as makes you happy is indeed a most glorious discovery. Would you not agree?

MYRNA: Yes. One of the struggles, the difficulties I run into is the issue of being in the now, in the present. I’m amazed at how hard it is for me, and I don’t know what’s going on. I’ve created lots of space, lots of silence…lots of space for this…and I’m not there most of the time. And in the moments that I’m aware that I’m there, and try to extend it, or when I’m NOT there, and try to get into it, because I believe that’s where the most beauty lies, I….struggle.

KRIS: Perhaps you may benefit from inquiring as to where and when IS your now. “Where and when in time and space is my now?”

MYRNA: I don’t even know what you’re asking. That’s fabulous…I don’t even….I don’t know!

KRIS: You do understand that you cannot be anywhere but in the now?

MYRNA: Yes…

KRIS: As the basic premise of all reality foundations –

MYRNA: Yeah, yes, that I understand…am I taking it in? Am I present to its beauty? That’s the part that frustrates me.

KRIS: It is not possible to be in one’s now, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year in that linear sense, BUT when you become aware that you are wondering where and when in time and space is my now, simply take quick inventory of your mental perceptions, your emotional responses, and the immediacy of your sensory perceptions and then let it go. There is no need to force yourself to be in an artificial now. Do you understand?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: This also implies FUN. If you are struggling turning over every log and stump and rock to find your now, you are not having fun. You might find all sorts of pretty little bugs, but you are NOT having fun!

MARK: I have found that some of my greatest joys in life have only come in hindsight, and sometimes even through periods of time or through situations and circumstances I cried through! That you know, I thought at the moment that I was unhappy, but five or ten years later, I look back at the events and it’s like…those are some of my most favorable memories!

I can remember being in Montreal for a weekend getaway, going dancing and clubbing, but I was in love with a person who wasn’t in love with me, he did his thing, I did mine, but I cried through most of it but….those memories of Montreal and that whole weekend overall, are some of my fondest!

KRIS: Again, a question of perspective. And there is also a most unique phenomenon to human nature: you call it, as you suggested, hindsight. In hindsight, you can literally ALTER the experiences of that past in your present moment and in spite of that past situation sometimes being heart wrenching, you can come out with an altered perception of that past in the now creating a healing from it. Do you follow?

MARK: I sure do! (Chuckling)

KRIS: So ask yourself, “When and where in time and space is my now?” And listen to the feedback through your mind, through your senses, through your feeling-tones.

MYRNA: That was very helpful, Mark, because there are times when things happen that I’m delighted with, and I can’t take it in. I can’t take it all in until I’ve had time to gently absorb it, think about it, remember it, and then enjoy it. That’s true.

MARK: Imagine when a family goes on vacation with the kids, say, going to Disneyland. And in the moment, in the now it’s like, “Mom! I gotta go to the bathroom!” or “We’ve got to be at this show at this time,” or “Oh, the parade starts in ten minutes, we gotta rush!” “Mom! Can I get a souvenir?” Blah, blah, blah, but after the vacation’s over, you look back, you had a WONDERFUL time, even though you don’t in the now, realize you’re having FUN.

MYRNA: That’s interesting…yeah…yeah. So when in the — interesting question, Kris, “where’s the now…”

KRIS: “Where and when, in time and space, is my now?”

MYRNA: Yes and that right here, though, I understand. But an event can have many “right here’s” years later! (Laughs) Which is wonderful!

KRIS: You are all multi-dimensional beings. You will see the same event through a multitude of perceptions. You do choose and pick those that suit your needs at the moment. Thus that will make and qualify you ALL as excellent reality creators.

MYRNA: I feel as if I’m on one long homework assignment right now!

KRIS: As long as it is fun.

MYRNA: Yeah it is. It is, as long as I’m paying attention to what I’m supposed to be paying attention to. (Laughs) And figuring out the puzzles.

MARK: It’s also paying attention to what you WANT to pay attention to. You being you [focus] OR….you [Essence]. (Laughs) I think the lesson here is when you’re focusing on something that’s not making you happy, you can shift that focus. Start paying attention to something different.

MYRNA: Well, okay…something a little interesting…we’ve been working on this one, right? Abraham — and I’m not getting into an argument here about Abraham, that’s not the point — but in those teachings, something comes up on the vibrational scale that’s below middle ‘C’, to quote John…right?

JOHN: You’re quoting Abraham.

MYRNA: I’m quoting Abraham, fine. Below middle ‘C’ and it’s recommended that I pivot, that I immediately say “Well, this is not — or I’m not feeling good now, I’m going to change my attention from NOT feeling good, to something that makes me feel good, in the moment.

JOHN: Hawaii. A beach in Hawaii.

MYRNA: Yes, Hawaii, or Tuscany, or whatever. However, in terms of some other teachings, like AAA, right?– or, I just created something out of an emotional weather front that is calling my attention to LOOK at it to understand it. So I don’t want to take my attention immediately off that, because there’s a lesson there for me.

MARK: Which is ultimately… obviously is bringing you to a state of joy or pleasure.

MYRNA: Yeah.

MARK: Then once you move past your challenge, so therefore you are changing it.

MYRNA: Yeah, ultimately, but I’m not immediately pivoting off of it.

MARK: Like Kris likes to say, we do create these challenges for a reason.

MYRNA: Exactly.

MARK: For beneficial reasons. I’m not saying ignore them all and try to put a happy face on a sad clown, by any means.

KRIS: The danger often comes when such ideas and philosophies are super-imposed with a Pollyanna-like view of reality. Thus if you have illness, as an example, then “do not concern yourself with it”, which on one hand is helpful, because there is a tendency then to magnify the symptoms, but at the same time, the symptoms are a language to draw your attention to a subjective conflict.

So you have the choice to disengage any attention to it and quite possibly aggravate a situation that the body is trying to resolve by grabbing your attention as a last-ditch measure. So you have to find your middle ground. Are you going to play the victim OR deal with the situation, recognize it is a signal, a communication from body that you have neglected something here and deal with that issue, so that you CAN move on.

There are different perspectives on the issue. ALL of your own humanistic sciences and psychologies are not necessarily in agreement that — if for instance, the below ‘C’ situation is a divorce — that you simply pay attention to something else. Do you follow? You need to deal with the reality of the situation.

MYRNA: We created it for a reason.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I agree. I agree.

KRIS: The murderer cannot simply say to himself that he will not give any attention to the trial and the evidence and the courts and hope to walk out a free man.

MYRNA: I have found it liberating to know that I have created this to catch my attention.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: VERY liberating.

KRIS: That is where true personal power comes into act. Personal power has nothing to do with turning a blind eye to a situation that demands your attention, but to deal with it in a manner that produces a powerful, positive and constructive outcome. Other than that you are supplying vast amounts of personal resources and energies to suppress. So it is a relative situation where recognizing one’s position becomes important.

MYRNA: One’s position, one’s conviction…

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Right, absolutely. I now get — when you say we’re gods and goddesses that walk the Earth — I now get it from that concept.

KRIS: And that is in the Heroic Dimension that you are able to recognize your connection with a GREATER being, a much larger field of play, an empowerment.

MYRNA: Yeah, I want to say, having studied with you now, almost a year and a half, I think…I’m finally on an intuitive level, getting….Sister Love, for example. It’s an ability I have, at the Heroic Dimension level; it’s an ability I have for that powerful emotion. (Pause) Yeah, that concept is never outside of myself. You know, if anybody is reading this, needs to really pay attention, I think, or maybe it’s all building and it’s built to this moment where I’m ready to take in those teachings in that transcript. Very powerful.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:44.

KRIS: Then we suggest a small pause so that you can reflect on where in time and space is your now.

(8:44 Pm Break begins)

JOHN: Well, it’s nice to know that Kris likes a night off, too, occasionally. (To Serge) He came in and says, “I’m going to take the night off and you guys can ask the questions and we’ll have a discussion.” (Laughs)

SERGE: So he’s not always “on.”

JOHN: Well, yeah.

MARK: But even when he’s off, he’s on! (Laughs)

[Turning to Myrna] Looking back at my life, as an example, there was a period of time where I did not use drugs, but had no self-esteem and got in with friends who used occasional drugs. Then it was like, “Well, Mark never buys,” and “Mark never contributes,” so I started contributing and therefore buying.

Then it’s like buying for others as gifts and “sharing” so that I become more popular, still having low self-esteem and then, everything compiles and the next thing you know I have a bleak outlook on life and a full-blown addiction and NOTHING is looking good. I had no joy in my day-to-day life. Everything — and then of course, the more I focus on it, the more I manifest it. So then, I get to the point where I have to change perspectives and start finding joy and that’s not to say that you’re hiding, or shifting, or not dealing through the process – [Myrna interrupts]

MYRNA: Oh, I get it –

MARK: You know what I’m — I’m showing the other side of the coin here, so by creating that joy, you start to love yourself a little more, and then you start to work and deal with why did you get into this in the first place, and deal with the issues, Triple ‘A’ it, practice of perspectives — but you got to have these little things, but what I am saying is its the day to day mundane things that you let bother you that BUILD and the more you focus on them, they build, and they can really snowball into something where you’re in a — you’re creating illness, because you’re burying something, or you’re creating all kinds of problems.

MYRNA: Or because you’re continuing to focus on it. I think the idea of pivoting has great use, because there are times when, you know, forget AAA, I just need to pivot out of it, right? I just need to change my attention from feeling shitty to feeling better. I get that.

MARK: Right. It was never for me about trying to deny that I had a drug addiction and say, “Oh, I’m a happy person,” but it was about finding moments of joy and then those moments get more bigger and more frequent, and then you can start to deal with that drug addiction, or you stop, at least periodically and then you can deal with it more, and you can use these practices and then begin to heal.

MYRNA: For sure. I get that, I had breast cancer seventeen years ago, and if I didn’t find moments in my day where there was joy, I would’ve buried myself a long time ago, because I was in such terror 24-7.

MARK: Yeah, and that’s where “laughter is the best medicine” comes into play.

MYRNA: I was… all the time finding – [John interrupts]

JOHN: Fun.

MYRNA: Hmm?

JOHN: Fun. Remember he said that two or three [sessions] ago? “Don’t forget the fun part.” I think so many people have developed…they just have let their FUN muscle atrophy, right? To the point where it’s just a limp little noodle!

MARK: (Chuckling) Atrophy or entropy?

JOHN: Yeah, fun. I forget who — I think it was Kris — who said, “Never mind all this other crap! Have more fun, pleasure and creativity in your life.

MYRNA: That to me, would be a marvelous theme for a workshop, because I’m one of the ones who, until I saw YOU more (referring to John), from this very serious guy, to this guy who chuckles all the time!

JOHN: A chucklehead! I really am!

MYRNA: Chucklehead! You ARE a chucklehead now! If you had said that this guy was going to be a chucklehead when I first met him?! NO WAY! (In a tone of astonished disbelief) He chuckles ALL THE TIME…You know, having you around to show me what it is to chuckle –

JOHN: Oh, we have some good times, good laughs.

MARK: How much would could a wood chuckle chuckle if a wood chuckle could chuckle wood? (Group laughter)

MYRNA: But on fun, I have to agree with you about losing the capacity for fun.

JOHN: Yeah, with children of course, it’s built in; but somewhere around six, eight, ten years of age…like puberty! That’s what knocks the stuffing out of the fun! (Everyone laughs) It’s a little hard with your hormones going like, nuts!

MARK: Yeah, especially when you’re supposed to deny them.

JOHN: Oh yeah, “Little boy, you’d better wait until you’re 21!”

MARK: “Don’t touch yourself, you’ll go blind!”

JOHN: I’ll just do it until I need glasses.

(Laughter)

MYRNA: You know what? It’s a lot earlier than that (referring to the time children get the message not to have fun) What I see — what I saw myself as a parent, and I’ve seen parents around me — is that people are absolutely afraid of the Universe. It’s not a benevolent universe, it’s a malevolent universe. So kids aren’t allowed to play on the street. I live in a neighborhood with very large lawns, nobody’s playing on the street, they’re having to be watched by nannies ALL THE TIME.

MARK: It went from front porches, where everybody knew their neighbors to big fenced-in backyards where nobody sees nothin’!

MYRNA: Everybody’s afraid! “FUN? What are you talking about, Kris? Fun?” So there needs to be something about finding it. Or you need a chucklehead in your life.

MARK: I find that, too, that you get events that are created for fun and then of course city council, police or laws or neighbors complain about noise and so on about these venues. We’re getting to be a society where fun is practically outlawed. And that’s why it’s gone underground to these illegal raves and that for this generation and as an example, for our generation, what do we do?

JOHN: Well, I’m here to tell you that you can have big fun without making any noise at all, except for a little chuckle occasionally –

(Laughter)

MYRNA: See that? He has learned to put that to where that’s faith.

JOHN: Well, what I’ve discovered is that Sohars has a WICKED sense of humor! And if I just pay attention to the big guy — you know, even for like two or three seconds? — Something funny will come through. And maybe it’s Hoot, I don’t know. I’m telling ya, its big fun. And pleasure! Let’s not forget pleasure. It’s a different category. Pleasure is SO huge!

MARK: (Laughing) So HARSH! [John's Essence name, Sohars, is pronounced "so harsh"]

(Raucous laughter. And on that note, Kris returns)

(8:52 PM)

MYRNA: Where I’m confused is I don’t experience you as someone who has to change expectations except to live in the moment. And you have a great time in the moment!

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: Far be it from us to burst your seriousness bubble (Group laughter) with a pinprick of FUN needles – ! – but perhaps this will also give you some insight into why we initially called you Sohars.

JOHN: Ah ha ha!

KRIS: And why, over the last few months ago, we gradually made references to Hoot so often. And that may also indicate to you the transformative nature of your own thinking processes and of your own evolution, in that sense of the word. What you are now, compared to what you were has been transformed, would you not agree?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: So now it is nice to see that you are more “Hootish.” And therein lies the humor within Sohars.

JOHN: Ah!

MARK: Life is so harsh!

(Laughter)

KRIS: The main point indeed is that in keeping your perspectives and your own mental horizons OPEN, it is no longer difficult to find FUN, to enjoy what you offer yourselves through your lives. After all, you build them; you create them, why should you consider that life is your enemy when you make it what it is? And therein lies the difference in perspective. It’s impact can be life-changing. Comments or questions?

MYRNA: Other than – PHEW?!? (Laughter) Um…. (In a pondering tone) Why consider my life an enemy, when I have created it…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: (As Myrna pauses) Were you going to go somewhere with that? Go ahead.

KRIS: She is in that “now.”

(Laughter)

MYRNA: I could have two perspectives on this. Like, “What a shitty job I’ve done creating this! How dare I do this to myself!” Right? “How painful! Why would I do this to myself?” Or, what I hear you asking is that I take the perspective that I’ve chosen this to pay attention.

MARK: Or that you’ve created something quite beautiful that you’re ignoring or not considering beautiful.

JOHN: Or, potentially, simply FUN.

MYRNA: That I’ve created this?

JOHN: It’s just simply fun.

MARK: You have a perspective that your life may be shitty or crappy — “Why have I done this?” — but you have actually created something quite beautiful and joyous. You’ve got to change your perspective.

MYRNA: And it’s fun that I create this.

JOHN: I think sometimes we’re looking for a magnum opus of wisdom divinely revealed, right?

MYRNA: Yeah.

JOHN: When, really, it’s just a tickle.

KRIS: There are many, many situations and many, many individuals who search their whole life long for that magnum opus, for that GREAT COSMIC REVELATION, so intent are they on this that they do not see that their whole lives are FILLED with small revelations. Does that make some sense?

(Yes)

And together the small revelations, the small insights can be far more powerful than one big moment. Everyone is looking for that big opening of the sky and the thunderous voice to reveal to them their life’s mission, their life’s intent. “Seth, Elias, Kris, and others, tell us what our life’s intent is, and we will be happy!” But it does not work that way, especially when all of these revelations are everywhere! Again, a matter of perspective.

MYRNA: Well, in that sense then, EVERYTHING is a reflection.

KRIS: Indeed. We did say that you create the entire kit and caboodle. Not this part or that part, but everything in between that is not collected.

JOHN: Okay, I have a question Kris. A couple of sessions or transcripts ago, you said something very interesting in response to Steve L. He asked you a particular type of question during one of our international evenings and your reply was VERY interesting! You said, “You’re not asking the right questions.”

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And then he turned around and gave a very interesting, kind of a lawyer-type question, which was “Okay, tell us what the right questions should be,” and reading that transcript I got the feeling that basically the WRONG questions are, “Why is this happening to me? Why is the outside world impinging on me?” and the right questions are, “What’s inside of me that’s creating this? Why have I brought this to my attention? What are the opportunities here for me, what are the resources –?”

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And I’m also seeing, “Why am I not seeing the beauty in me? Why am I not seeing or perceiving the joy?”

KRIS: The first question refers to all other questions and beliefs that situate you outside of yourself and your own power and authority. The second inquisitive set hopefully situates you both within yourself and with your own power and authority, two completely different world views. The former is aligned specifically with the official line of consciousness. The second is aligned with the unofficial line of consciousness.

And the answers will only come from the unofficial line of consciousness to clarify the official line of consciousness. Even when you are mired and hypnotized and absolutely convinced that the only reality that is pertinent in any respect to anything is the official line of consciousness — THAT mentality is entirely dependent upon the unofficial line of consciousness. It cannot exist without the unofficial line of consciousness. BUT, it can exist, even if you deny the unofficial line of consciousness. The unofficial line of consciousness is integral. The official is secular.

JOHN: In a way it reminds me of what you were discussing earlier, which was that there are beliefs which are on top, which would be the official reality and then underneath that there is the fact of the matter.

KRIS: Indeed. There are the assumptions about life, and then there are the realities about life. And beliefs are the assumptions, the convictions, [which] are dependent upon the facts about life. The facts about life are not dependent upon the convictions.

JOHN: Yeah, so really, we’ve created quite a cleverly constructive little reality here, because we can go merrily along constructing our reality that is COMPLETELY at odds with the fact of the matter!

KRIS: Indeed!

JOHN: (Laughs)

KRIS: And it is your right to do so! It is called “The Sandbox Reality.”

(Laughter)

MYRNA: Okay….and in fact, we mostly are –

MARK: Sandbox people? (Laughs)

MYRNA: Yeah! Mostly creating a reality that has nothing to do with the facts.

JOHN: Denies it, in fact.

MYRNA: Yeah, right! The whole point of that is to get to the facts.

JOHN: Well, it turns out that the official reality has as many holes in it as Swiss cheese if you look at it with an objective perspective.

KRIS: And yet, the unofficial reality is kind enough to allow the official line of consciousness.

(Yes)

Without necessarily disturbing it overly, but just enough to continually prod you in the hopes to catch your attention.

JOHN: Now that reminds me of another thought that I had — without meaning to dominate.

MYRNA: (Humorously) What limiting belief is that?

JOHN: (Chuckling) Thank you, thank you. On the face of it, you might ask yourself, why would we construct a system here that allows us to have such muddle-headed beliefs and create such silly realities? And here’s my thought, which I’m calling “The Rubber Band Theory.”

And that is that, as Essence, of course, we have total self-worth, a total understanding of our self-worth; however, in order for us to get beyond where we are in our present unfoldment as Essence, it’s very helpful for us to go through a period of time when we have negative self-worth, and we pull the rubber band back into negative self-worth land and then, when we release that ultimately, we project ourselves beyond where we originally were as Essence, around the issue of self-worth. Does that make any sense?

KRIS: Indeed it does.

JOHN: Oh, good.

KRIS: And you could refine that theory, and we count upon you doing so. It should be a Hoot!

JOHN: (Laughing) Okay! Well, thank you very much!

KRIS: As you know, there are many, many aspects of reality that also do not fit into your own pre-conceived notions of it, nor are there suitable means to translate certain aspects of reality within the parameters that you have set up for it. Thus some time ago we brought about what you have now called “The Chants.”

And these are excellent means to convey information before it is broken down into syntax and so on, in its more native, conceptual aspects. There are different kinds of chants as well that can be just as suitable, and yet convey something different. And this following we will simply call a welcoming to one’s own power. This is different than what you are accustomed from Joseph’s vocal cords.

Click here to listen to chant (MP3 only)

You could say this is our humble variation on throat singing.

MARK: Now I know why I like didgeridoo music!

MYRNA: That was wonderful. You wouldn’t want to do it again, would you?

KRIS: Indeed not.

(Group laughs)

JOHN: A “Welcoming to Your Own Power.”

MYRNA: Oh, I loved it. My whole body just resonated with that.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 9:10.

KRIS: Indeed then, we will take leave of your lovely selves — your lovely POWERFUL selves — and, as the saying goes, don’t you forget it!

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(9:10 PM. session ends)

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