Color of Sound

January 29, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 29, 2006

Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Michelle and Katherine

[MARK'S NOTES: I'm note quite sure when Katherine had this dream, but she had discussed it on some of the Seth Forums. Somehow or other Katherine came into contact with Paul Helfrich who nudged her in our direction and as it turned out she was only about a one hour drive from us.

After contacting us she turned up for a Toronto Session without any intent of discussing the dream. Someone commented on her beautifully colored cummerbund that she was wearing. Katherine replied that she bought it because it reminded her of a dream that she had and she then began to describe it. Kris then popped in and took it from there.]

Dream at end of transcript.
(7:36 PM Session begins)

KRIS: Now, we trust that you are all comfortable, and we welcome our new guest.

KATHERINE: (Giggling) Thank you.

KRIS: All the giggles aside, you are most welcome to bring and share of your energy. Your previous mention of this sound and color dream is most interesting and gives insight into the creation of specific atmospheres within which consciousness is able to manifest and transform itself into various degrees that eventually appear as the physical matter that you know and your senses interpret.

Now some time back we gave some information on SOUNDLETS. We described them as unique species of units of consciousness that are instrumental in the formation of physical realities. Physical reality itself is a unique atmosphere through which your own idea constructions have the opportunity to be made manifest in terms that you understand. And though there was very little description of the processes involved, such manifestations and constructions are far livelier, animated, and energetic than you could ever possibly imagine.

Action, activity, at that layer of consciousness is oftentimes undetectable to both your physical senses and your scientific instruments, simply because it is processed at rates or speeds that defy imagination, that even defy your notions of faster than light. And light itself is a by-product of soundlets transformation. And though light appears to contain no coloration and at the same time is stratified with color, light is a by-product of such a process. Whether you think light is a result of your sun’s processes or otherwise, your scientific research and instrumentation cannot specifically pinpoint the origin of light…nor for that matter can they even pinpoint the origin of life!

(Group chuckles)

So do not be too surprised if they miss a few things.

(Laughter)

You perceived a little known explosion of vibrant, luminescent colors in varieties that would be difficult to reproduce, correct?

KATHERINE: Very correct! They were luminescent.

KRIS: Indeed, because at that layer color is not yet restrained by the rods and cones in your eyes that define the spectrum of light. There are then, millions upon millions of variations within color that even your best computer systems can BARELY approximate, and they can deal in millions of colors. And throughout the galaxy that you know, throughout the solar system, and throughout your own Earthly experience, color is an essential component.

And to further that notion — this may be somewhat difficult to verbalize, to express in words — but suffice it to say that color is even more than a belief system, foundational or otherwise. It is an effect of LIVING energy, LIVING consciousness. It is not merely pigmentation, metaphysical or otherwise, but it IS a living substance that is used in the creative processes, from consciousness into its varieties of forms, some of which you know as matter, or physical matter.

This is perhaps difficult to describe in very detailed terms, and we are attempting. Suffice it to say that just as you could never be uni-dimensional, or even three-dimensional, but you are all multi-dimensional beings, color itself is a multi-dimensional factor in the creative processes of countless varieties of realities themselves.

There is a GRAND majesty, a GRACEFUL state of energy pertaining to the vibrancy — we are trying to avoid using specific words like “vibration” because it is more than that — suffice it to say that the colors as interpreted by your pretty eyes, regardless of your colors and your eye color, the colors within the ranges available to reality far exceeds the capacity of your senses to interpret them. It is not as if you have been gypped, but you have CHOSEN specific ranges of colors available to your species for your own purposes as sufficient instruments to work the palettes of your creations.

There are many animals that see ranges of colors above and beyond what you see, bees that can see and know a wider spectrum whilst you can only do so with special lenses. But you can, through the auspices of your inner senses and the generosity of your expanded or accelerated imagination, tune in to the ranges of colors as tones. In other frameworks — you may refer to them as Framework two, Layer or Level two of reality, three, four and others — where more and more is available, because at those layers of being you are not restricted to the sensory mechanisms that you use to define your physical waking life. So much more expanded awareness is available when you focus outside the range of the physical senses. Does that make sense?

KATHERINE: Absolutely. Perfectly.

KRIS: There are many reports by individuals who experience lucid dreams or out of body experiences, where colors take on a different connotation, a liveliness, an aliveness far beyond what they experience from within their body’s perceptions. Some of your deeper dream experiences may also lead you to those same conclusions that there are layers of aliveness almost like a luminescent SENTIENCE to color at those states of being. And that energy can also be gently tapped into, focused upon and gently nudged into your intent. Does that make sense?

KATHERINE: Yes.

KRIS: The rest of you are inordinately quiet!

MARK: I was just thinking, “If Ralph Lauren could get hold of that color chart…!” (Laughs) He’d make quite a bit of money.

KATHERINE: I saw that colored chart in a dream. It was pure energy, pure energy…the color and the sound. They became intertwined.

KRIS: Many people think that, for instance, the state of Essence may indeed be quite devoid of coloration and to the contrary, we often view YOUR perceptions in that regard — (Spontaneous and hearty group laughter) — rather lame.

KATHERINE: You mean the metaphoric “you” view us physical beings?

KRIS: We also mean your uses of color and decorations thereof, the manner in which you perceive color. You — your human eye — with expert training can detect only a few million colors.

MARK: Only! (Group laughs)

MYRNA: I think you might have a project already here, Katherine.

KATHERINE: This is very congruent.

MYRNA: I’m thinking about how “What the Bleep” –

KRIS: (Interrupting) We beg your pardon!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: “What the Bleep Do We Know”….um….how I looked forward to having my perceptions expanded and I think….how it would be a marvelous route as we’ve found.

KRIS: Indeed, consider your physical bodies, for example. How many ranges of skin pigmentation do you have in the human race?

KATHERINE: Not many.

KRIS: Indeed. We believe…five? What are these?

KATHERINE: Black, yellow, red, white, and then variations thereof.

KRIS: You also have brown. And then there are the variations and mixes to give you some beautiful shades, yet your own pretty, colorful eyes cannot see their own color, unless you view the mirror; and even then you, your eyes, do not perceive the vibrant fluxes and nexus of colors involved in the processes of maintaining your physical image. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: No, actually.

(Laughter)

KATHERINE: I’m thinking that we limit, like we’re limited in what we can perceive of our own selves….or looking in a mirror, we can’t possibly see what’s really there, because there’s so much more there than our body, our organism is able to detect.

KRIS: That is correct.

MYRNA: Nor do I have any kind of clue as to, as you mentioned, the number of processes that are going on to maintain this image. No idea.

KATHERINE: The life force, maybe.

KRIS: That is also correct. You may interpret it as the life force which is your own energy. Your eyes do not see the living rainbows of colors pertaining to each cell of your form as it is manifest physically from the state of energy. If you could see that bloom, YOUR ENTIRE IDEAS ABOUT PHYSICAL LIFE WOULD CHANGE and you would cherish your lives, you would literally fall in love with the MAGNIFICENT and the GRACEFUL tenderness involved in the processes of each of these points of brilliance that come together for not only the organs but the very cellular structure of your bodies.

And each such point of brilliance also carries a tone. So it is possible to also describe you — each of you — as a LIVING cellular symphony. And it is possible, with training, practice and perception, to tune into both that symphony and brilliance. Perhaps a small exercise for you all in any time you are free, but especially when you are walking about during the day, whether you are going shopping — preferably when you are NOT driving — when you are walking to and fro, is momentarily try to tune into the symphony and the brilliance of your being as it flows and consciousness flows through it. Does that make any sense to you?

MYRNA: Very much, oh yeah.

JOHN: Sounds like fun.

KATHERINE: I’ve been doing that lately, I think. And it causes me to have a huge feeling of gracefulness and excitement….and…oh, I love life lately!

KRIS: Indeed and you will notice that with practice your own environment resonates in a similar capacity since your physical environment — each of your environment — is a resonance of that same beautiful energy. You literally sing into life the trees and the grasses and the flowers and the clouds and the mountains and the pretty crickets and all of which your eyes can and cannot detect as a projection of your own energies. And yet, often, you do not hear those sounds. In fact, without special instrumentation you cannot hear your own heart, which in some respects is a useful thing as it might even deafen you to hear it from within your own eardrum. (Pause, then in a chipper tone:) Now that was colorful, was it not?

(Laughter and many comments of appreciation.)

Now we will give you a small break.

(Break begins at 8:01)

KATHERINE: Oh, my goodness, that was so relevant to my whole….everything that led me up to coming here!

JOHN: Isn’t that nice!

MARK: Now if you could just for the record — since I don’t think I got that [on tape] at the beginning — if you could tell us the dream, so it goes into the transcript.

KATHERINE: I posted it on the internet, on the…..Laurel Butts started an ESP sort of board recently, you know?

MARK: Yep.

KATHERINE: And a group of us decided to try doing dream work and I’ve always, always done a lot of work in my dreams. I remember them…. (Laughing) in fact I think I love to dream almost more than I love to live sometimes! And basically what happened is, a personality who is very familiar to me came to demonstrate to me something to do with sound and — because I had asked a question about music, because when I perform or play music within an orchestra, I literally feel every cell in my body dance, and I just feel — what’s the word for it!? — I mean, better than orgasmic, let’s put it that way!

SERGE: (Laughing) Ooh, let’s get some of that!

(Group laughter)

SERGE: Order a case!

KATHERINE: And so I had sort of asked a question…I put out to my higher self to please reveal something about sound. I don’t know really what I was asking, but….so this sound teacher, as I call him, began to demonstrate sound, and in the dream it….by the end of the dream it turned out to be one continuous sound almost like you would hear in a gong like the Buddhists and that do, but I was trying to make sense of the sound from a musical point of view.

I was trying to find rhythm, pitches, cadence, melody, I was trying to define this sound in terms of the way I understand music, but the dream took on a whole other direction, and the sound became color. I suddenly found myself observing what appeared to be at first a treasure chest that was open and I could see these incredibly vibrant…..and it’s like Kris said, that word doesn’t even come close to what I saw there, but I was seeing blue, green, purple, gold, silver, reds, yellows…jewels sort of but they were like effervescent –

MARK: Yeah, luminescent.

KATHERINE: Yeah, and alive.

MICHELLE: Alive, that’s the word I caught. I’ve had that.

KATHERINE: But then I realized that those colors were only symbols that sort of came in the middle between my perception and….the life force…or…love…or um –

MARK: Energy.

KATHERINE: Yes, and then the colors even melted away and became energy….symbols…is the only way I can put it. And — like it’s funny, I chuckled later — because it began to look like, if you’ve seen on TV, those pictures of sperm running — ?

MARK: (Chuckling) Yeah!

KATHERINE: And there’s like these energy things? (Laughing) Oh, it wasn’t sexual or anything but it was — I think I might have been seeing atoms or atomic — you know, and there was like empty space between these…..anyway….it turned out it was symbols. That’s what I got from it, symbols for life. And then….the sound continued in the background the whole time during the dream…but as I focused on the color, the sound seemed to diminish, but it never went away, it was constant.

Then the sound and the color became interchangeable and then both became symbols…to me…oh, this is getting really abstract! (Laughs) But anyway, it just left me really feeling like I had seen energy in its whatever purest form I can conceive and….I was feeling like a creator! I was really feeling like the teacher was demonstrating to me that through sound and color I could somehow channel — if you’ll forgive the term — create a life, a reality, and create a world that I really desire…you know?

MYRNA: Channel that kind of consciousness. What I hear the word that Kris would use for what you’re describing as life or energy is “consciousness”. I don’t know that we have words beyond that to describe what that is, but you’re into realms and dimensions beyond that, but I’m not sure why you’re apologizing.

KATHERINE: Did I?

MYRNA: Well, [you said] “if you’ll forgive me for using the word channel”.

KATHERINE: Oh, I see! Right!

MYRNA: I mean I would hope we’re all doing that. What an amazing opening it sounds like your dream was!

KATHERINE: Oh, it was incredible! It was like Kris just described — every single unit of energy, or however you want to put it was a symbol of infinite (groping for words) direction, infinite –

SERGE: Possibilities?

KATHERINE: Yes, possibilities, feelings….uh…it came back to love…which is like the best feeling that I can describe in this life right now…it sort of felt like every cell, every little point or symbol was —

MARK: You know what absolutely floors me is that you’re summarizing the Kris material over the last four or five years!

KATHERINE: Wow!

MARK: He’s been talking constantly about all these different things and what gets me is that you’re pulling little phrases and sentences and concepts out of this transcript and that transcript and this one, and you’re turning it all into one –

MICHELLE: Yes, and even last week’s Dinner & A Dead Guy, Kris had mentioned how — somebody had a dream about purple, and Kris was saying that she saw the colors but the idea was that is was the consciousness — that color was actually the information encoded in the color –?

MARK: The dream itself she had blacked out or forgotten, but she was left with an allegorical symbol…

MICHELLE: Yes, it was a symbol — and she saw greens and yellows, too — but they were all bubbles of info from her dreams that she couldn’t remember.

KATHERINE: You just feel so good…and even in the dream I thought to myself that if my real eyes could see this, I would go blind, that I was so glad it was shown to me in the dream state, because you didn’t have to worry about your eyes getting fatigued or going blind…blinded by the light! Maybe that’s what they mean by that! …and but the thing is…I asked for that. I asked. And it was promptly — promptly [given] — and I’m learning that — to trust myself, that all the answers are available and that basically you get what you focus on and I’m just so renewed! I just feel like I’m on the precipice of something –

MARK: If I had to use just one word to describe you? I would say “vibrant.”

KATHERINE: Oh, thank you! (Laughing) And to you as well! And that’s the other thing in the dream — I’m shivering! — is I see vibrancy now in everything, no matter how mundane, even a boring task or a so-called bum on the street or someone, like I just totally see vibrancy there, whereas I used to see, whatever my own layers of perception…I don’t know.

MARK: It’s like you said, once you feel those cells singing everything around you sings.

KATHERINE: Yeah!

MARK: I experienced a similar sort of thing when Kris challenged me to be in love, but not with anyone or anything; just that state of being in love. It’s like when you first fall in love with someone or something, you have that wonderful….and nothing; a crowbar could not pry that smile off my face! My environment changed, the sounds, the colors, everything changed when you’re in that feeling.

KATHERINE: Yes, like rapture almost…oh, definitely! And like it….because I’ve been thinking a lot lately about….I’m about to turn 50, and feeling so glad that I’ve got like, at least another 50 years on the planet, and so glad that I don’t have to sort of waste the first 16 years of it growing up and being at the mercy of all of the adults or circumstance, just feeling so glad that I have all this time left, like to really….I just feel like something is going to happen! And to affect the world and create the world that I think a lot of people desire to have, you know?

MARK: (Chuckling)

KATHERINE: And Kris sounds like he’s got a Czechoslovakian accent! He sounds like one of my music coaches!

MARK: What’s your background?

KATHERINE: Well I was born and practically raised in Toronto. I’ve lived some in Vancouver, but my parents’ genetic parentage — on my mother’s side is Hungarian and German, my father’s side is Lithuanian, and that’s about it, but I have many more memories of…like I think I’ve lived so many, many past lives as a native person, so I’m very drawn to native everything. I’ve got native art, I’ve got native — all over the native stuff. I’m happiest when I can smell fresh cedar. You know, that kind of thing.

There are so many possibilities that I want to be cautious about how I perceive because, as a Pisces, you know, I can swim oceans or I can get caught in little undercurrents (Mark laughs appreciatively), or I can get way down, you know, there’s just so many possibilities that I don’t want to get swept away which would be easy for me –

MARK: I’m a Pisces too.

KATHERINE: Oh, okay! Cool! March 9th.

MARK: I’m February 23rd. I’m turning 40.

MICHELLE: Oh, you know what? I was close, because when you said you were a Pisces my first thought was March 10th, and then I thought, “Oh, that can’t be right!”

KATHERINE: Cool! Well, that’s pretty darn close. I think that the astrology stuff for me are symbols that help us…I mean, I really like astrology, but I’m not well versed in it, I just like the descriptions of different tendencies, and it resonates with me.

(Kris returns at 8:17 PM)

KRIS: Now, we trust that you have all had a very nice break and some lively chitchat. As we suggested earlier, that you may attend to perceive the vibrancy, the colors, the life within you as you walk about, and see how that resonates into your environment so can you suggest to yourself before you fall asleep that you can indeed have your dream eyes open to a larger potential than you normally remember.

You might indeed be quite surprised at what you perceive in the dream state. You often limit your experiences to that which is familiar to you for reference’s sake. But if you become daring enough and venturesome enough you may think to ask your dream self to reveal to you in the dreams more of the living tapestry that is part of that dimension, and experience it for yourselves first hand.

But if you do that, be prepared for an interesting journey, for the colors are themselves imbued with what can only be called sound — for lack of a better word — a beautiful resonance that you would translate as sound. And each sound itself, however miniscule or grandiose, contains its own fields and tones of color, as it were. And though from your conscious mind this may sound like a real cacophony of sounds and colors, it is not.

Everything is so precisely detailed that you would immediately recognize the uniqueness of each particle of colorful sound, or soundful coloring, without any mistake or blurring of the edges even when they come together as the backdrop of the vast tapestry of your dream scenes. Those dream dramas and plays are themselves composed of the same kinds of structures and structuring that enables physical scenarios, whether deep in the desert, or forest, or the open sea, or the city.

The consciousness is the same. The resonance from your own inner states is projected upon that incredible canvas that you may not even perceive and it gives you all of the appearances you have come to expect, so richly interwoven are the colors and the sounds with the very fabric of your awareness that you think that in this room there is one or seven tables, or different walls, ceiling and floor, yet that is essentially interpretation, even though there is nothing here but consciousness, life. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

KATHERINE: It’s like we’re suspended, floating on this magic carpet of….something (laughing)… suspended, I don’t know. Does THAT make sense?

KRIS: It could be said that though you feel that you are suspended in consciousness, it is consciousness itself, including you who are ever-active, ever in a state of flux and nexus. And this incredible, beautiful tapestry of life is always freshly created by each and every one of you. So when it is said that (pause) you create your reality in the now; when it is said that the point of power is in the present — in the present moment, NOW – it means that all of your experiences, even those NOWS that you translate as past experiences or potential future adventures are all created in the moment.

Then you take those experiences and you process them through the avenues that you have established and in spite of all of those processes and all of the appearances of time and space — past, present, future; past-past future; future-past past and so on and so forth — the pivotal point is the NOW. But does that mean that the last moment that just passed is no longer the now? Or the moment to come is a different now, and your now will become the past to that now? Indeed not. Everything is now.

You may catalogue some experiences as the past, present, future – but everything is now. And that represents an area of rich dichotomy. For it necessitates that you look beyond your present understandings and in this (pause) — we are looking for a word — in this majestic now, each moment point represents nows as well. And each now, regardless, is a deep point of power and resource. Now you create any experience of the past that you may feel beholdens to difficulties, and now you create any situation in the present or the future that beholdens you to freedom.

You, however, determine how any of those nows are to be affecting of you. And you have the potential NOW to determine that any influence of the past — as you determine the past — need no longer appear as an event separate from your life, as if it unduly affects you, but that instead, bring it into the now, you can Acknowledge it, Address it, Accept it with the understanding that now it need no longer distract you from what you want to concentrate on. The work is done at the belief level. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

MARK: Something else I’ve noticed is that there’s a lot of conversations on the past and how it affects….and how we need to Acknowledge and Address and Accept the past so they don’t have control on us anymore, but there’s a lot it that’s been circumstances that we COULD acknowledge in the past as being pleasant and joyous that could affect our nows and our future nows much better. In other words, what I’m trying to say is, we tend to focus on the crap and not on the joys.

KRIS: That is correct. If all events from the past need to be defused, then ALL events of the past — that means then that you do what you have stated, over concentrate on your interpretation of negative event forms. Why not concentrate ALSO on so-called positive event forms?

KATHERINE: We have the choice.

KRIS: Indeed and that choice occurs in the now. Now you choose. Your choosing will kick in, it will kick start those actions and processes that are in accordance with your new choice. Whether it is the healing of ancient wounds or otherwise, by your concentrating on the so-called negative event forms, what do you do with them? And if you examine your consciousness truthfully, without censoring, you will discover that you are constantly bringing it into the present and the future. That is where you make complications, thinking that twenty years ago, you had a paper cut on your finger!

(Group laughter)

Obviously then, if today, tomorrow, twenty years from now, you handle paper, you believe that you will have more paper cuts. You may or you may not, but because you focus upon this, you experience this twice and you create incongruencies, which are all intent. Now, if your intent is to explore all varieties of paper cuts, then have fun!

(Laughter)

We believe you understand what we are saying?

KATHERINE: Yes, it’s like we can create from the now, we have the choice to determine how to create into the so-called future — which is also the past and the now — but just so can narrow it down into terms that we….it…

KRIS: The often-found difficulty is that many people treat it as a wishing well. You throw your copper penny into the wishing well and then, all difficulties, traumas and challenges of the past are miraculously erased from the self. That is often used as a means to deny yourself, to discount your own self. If you were to understand the process, you could easily then, decide now that a traumatic event from the past need no longer hang about your neck like an albatross, that instead you can decide to free the albatross and thus, free yourself. Does that make sense?

(Resounding affirmations)

MYRNA: Yes, but easier said than done.

KRIS: Definitely, but that choice can kick start processes and living mechanisms through which you will find resources and tools to heal that which in the past may have seemed horrendous and overwhelming so that your present and future are no longer at the apparent mercy of your albatross. Does that make sense as well?

MYRNA: It does. John and I have been working with this in the last while. You know with the shifting continents and the Bardo between? (Refers to previous session) So an intention to live in perfect health, for example, and wholeness….I’m aware that I keep getting tripped…well, I call it a log jam. I keep getting tripped up by the belief so that…..it’s easy to set the intention! I’m not finding it as easy to ALLOW the intention.

KRIS: And may we offer you a gentle breeze to edge you further towards that other continental shelf?

JOHN: (Chuckling)

MYRNA: Yes, you may. (Laughs)

KRIS: You say that your intent is to have perfect health, but examine what beliefs you hold about that. Who determines what is perfect health? Under whose diction are you determining what that should be? Do you understand?

MYRNA: Yeah, Kris….yes I do. I do, I do, I do! And it’s back to that….you know saying to you awhile back that this whole art of allowing…..um….is not as easy as I thought, or hoped.

KRIS: Indeed and that is often the element that is not presented in many of these quasi-religious presentations. For example, you may, instead of trying to express that you will be in perfect health, you may express that your health will reflect the state of your joy and happiness. That will be commensurate with the beliefs you color your experience and the idea of perfect health may indeed come shattering down like Humpty Dumpty if the deity for perfect health creates a cold.

MYRNA: Creates what?

KRIS: A cold. Flu.

MARK: A small little illness, a bump in the road.

KRIS: Because it is also necessary for the body — that beautiful physical expression — to also treat ITS systems and flush them once in a while. It understands its own natural process.

MYRNA: Well, I’m sitting here wondering about the paper cut….and…..why have I created a state where I would choose to remember the paper cut, and to fear it, and to take it into my future. What’s the belief? Because this is about beliefs, is it not?

KRIS: And what did we describe a belief as?

MYRNA: A number of thoughts and –

JOHN: And ideas that you have given energy to.

MYRNA: An idea that I’ve given energy to.

KRIS: Indeed, so you wouldn’t have assigned a sizable amount of energy towards any idea or contract either small or large if somewhere along the line, you have not perceived the significance that you have attached to that idea.

MYRNA: Right.

KRIS: For example: A child may tell its mother or father in a moment of upset, “I HATE you!” The parent has different ways to react, notwithstanding the whole reality creation “thingy.”

(Group laughter)

But the parent — mothers most often — can take that to heart and question the validity of their parenting skills, of their mothering. Did they somehow or other become such a bad mother that their child has to tell them “I hate you”? Or is there an understanding that the child is upset, does not know how to express that upset and those emotions and interprets that into the words, “I hate you,” meaning “I am hurt, and I think you are responsible!” Does that make sense?

JOHN: Perfectly. Been there.

KATHERINE: I’ve heard those words a few times lately.

MYRNA: Where does this…you started off saying we wouldn’t go there unless there were significant –

KRIS: Indeed, now if the mother in this example has issues, insecurities, frailties and fears about being a good parent, raising a healthy child, well-balanced, emotionally and physically and so on and so forth, this may trigger an avalanche into fear and even downright despondence about their capabilities of raising that child.

And that may stem from a similar situation where they themselves as a child expressed similar words to their parents without any resolution to the issue except the parents screaming to the child that it is a very bad thing indeed to say such words and go to your room, which makes the child feel even more guilty and hurt and the communication is never resolved. It is considered often that they are children, they will forget about this tomorrow, but the emotions still sting. Do you follow so far?

KATHERINE: Trying to. How would you suggest that we address that? I have two teenage girls who tell me they hate me almost daily! And it…I’ve tried different approaches, different angles, I’ve tried everything from matching their vibration and screaming, “I hate you” right back, to looking calmly and saying “I love you” to all kinds of things. What would be the most productive way to deal with that?

KRIS: It is not an easy issue to resolve. However, in many such circumstances it is still unpredictable as to how the parent and the children will interact even with the best of advice, if those psychological buttons are pushed, the best advice in the world goes out the window and the old patterns resurrect instantly. The screaming and the yelling and all of that! At issue are emotional patterns, response behavior which actually becomes reactionary behavior.

One step would be to examine the issues of one’s parenting skills. Not to find the weak spots and that weak link in the chain of securities, but instead to comprehend that you are doing the best job you can with what you know, and what resources are available to you. That you are not a bad parent, that indeed you are coping like any other parent under similar situations, that you are, after all, dealing with teenagers — the most fearsome force in the universe!

JOHN: (Laughing loudly)

KATHERINE: Thank you! I needed to hear that!

KRIS: However, once you are able to calm the oceans of your own tempests, you can re-examine the usual responses once your children are on the warpath, and refuse to play into whatever traps are being set, both by you and them. Knowing that their words are communications and instead of feeling slighted or that you must return yell for yell, you refuse to acknowledge any provocative responses.

KATHERINE: Like ignore them?

KRIS: (Emphatically:) INDEED!

KATHERINE: I get so much feedback from other family members: “You’re so passive! You ignore everything! You should be doing more!”

KRIS: This is not turning a blind eye. This is simply refusing to fight fire with fire.

KATHERINE: Okay. Right.

KRIS: You make a bigger fire.

KATHERINE: Okay, so instead of adding energy to that, don’t add energy to that, but how do you replace that with something that will turn the corner and –

KRIS: Indeed, by revising the behavioral patterns that you usually fall into you will discover that it is not that you are a bad parent, you are dealing with your situation as best you can. At the base of all of this argumentation, the yelling back and forth, is a communication. What are YOU communicating through your children, and what are THEY communicating both to you and through you? Listen, not with the ears at the yelling, not with the eyes at the tantrums, but with the heart at the communication. What are you empathizing at that moment? And it may simply be they have lost the knack to communicate their heartfelt intent and believe they must resort to great drama and provocation. Do you understand?

KATHERINE: Yes, I think they just feel frustrated because they do not know how to express themselves. They don’t realize the power that they have, their own creativity and maybe out of frustration, they turn on me…

KRIS: It would certainly not be the best time to approach them when they are in a tempest. Wait until the issue passes, then you can set aside a time to discuss gently setting boundaries to the discussion. For instance: no yelling allowed. No emotional flare-ups. “If these are the only resources that you have, my dears, then you need to find new ones, because we cannot play that game. It is being revoked. There is a defect in the system and it is being recalled.”

(Group laughter)

New vehicles of communication are being set. Set up your rules and your boundaries so the agreements — gentle agreements from them — and speak from the heart. It may indeed appear painful at first. They may express different kinds of frustration. That will pass. Do not absorb any of it. Empathize, but do not absorb. Do you understand?

KATHERINE: Yes. Allowance. Allow it.

KRIS: Once the flood passes, and you get to the juicy stuff — you get to the heart of the matter — it will be heartfelt and thoughtful and meaningful, once you get through all of the barriers. And it may not happen tomorrow, but keep at it, be encouraging, both of themselves and of yourself.

MYRNA: Kris, you used this example as a way of talking about our beliefs and you started back a while ago, apart from the details of the scenario, you chose that….are you saying that our automatic emotional responses are not unlike what has just been described from a child’s perspective? So when I get into an automatic response to something, is it like hearing a child’s yell? Because there’s no other way to express myself?

KRIS: Or that you may think there is no other way.

MARK: That’s the belief.

KRIS: There are always other ways.

MYRNA: But the automatic response is my child’s way of trying to get my attention?

MARK: Note to the recorder that Kris nodded his head.

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: Well, that’s a different way of looking at automatic responses: My child tried to get my attention.

KATHERINE: I think the child is trying to express themselves, whether it’s…like you’re just a safe place for them to project –

MYRNA: No, I’m talking about MY child –

KATHERINE: Oh, like inner child?

MYRNA: Yes, my inner child trying to get MY attention is an automatic response. In other words, this scenario is about US, right?

KRIS: This has nothing to do with children and at the same time it is also applicable.

MYRNA: Yes, of course.

MICHELLE: I once had a friend who was an adult and he has this automatic response when he gets mad to yell. I have this automatic response to get really quiet when he gets mad. So he’ll yell and yell and yell until he has to leave the room and then he’ll come back and say, “You know you can’t be fought with, because you don’t fight back! How can I fight with someone who doesn’t fight back?” and I say, “But that’s the point. You have now calmed down enough for me to actually talk to you.”

KATHERINE: Because when we’re fighting, we’re only fighting with ourselves. When we project something negative onto another we’re only projecting it onto ourselves ultimately. So, when I see that negativity before my eyes unfolding, I feel like I want to….it’s not the reality I would like to see unfold. I just want love, you know. (Laughs)

KRIS: Do keep in mind that all of your beliefs are enacted. You are the author of your play, as well as all of the actors in that play, as well as all of the spectators. So you decide: do you want the crowd to throw rotten tomatoes or to give you a standing ovation and a dozen encores?

KATHERINE: But, we can’t force other individuals to behave in a way that –

KRIS: Your own internal, psychological, subjective behavior determines the outcome.

KATHERINE: Like your beliefs, in other words.

KRIS: Indeed, those sets of ideas you collect into special containers, psychological containers, that you provide with extra energy become almost a living force unto themselves until you pull the plug on it.

MARK: I’d love to see an experiment in consciousness where the albatross is the joy and love in our lives and we just forget about the pain and trauma.

KATHERINE: Yeah, or embrace the albatross and thank it for allowing us to use it to measure ourselves against.

MARK: Even when we have these challenges throughout our lives, the challenge sticks with us — the trauma of it — but we often forget how we conquered that challenge, [how] we overcame, we exist in the future as humans and as adults, mature people BECAUSE we conquered these challenges.

KATHERINE: Yeah, that’s the miracle of life.

KRIS: Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:59.

KRIS: Indeed then, do you wish another small break and continue?

MARK: Sure.

(Break starts at 8:59)

KATHERINE: (To Serge:) Do you remember what’s being said [during the session]?

SERGE: There are times when I’ll have some memories, there are times when I won’t, there are times when I have feeling-tones or I’ll see images that could relate to [what's being discussed] or not.

KATHERINE: Yes. How do you feel right now? I’m just curious, like do you feel one way or another right now?

SERGE: I know that when it’s break I’m still slightly dissociated, in other words, like he’s got one foot still in the door.

KATHERINE: Wow, yeah. Well, thank you for doing this for us.

MARK: I find that after the night goes on, or even the next day or later that evening, I’ll start talking about it to Serge and he’ll get a little more back, remember more, and sometimes even correct me if I’ve misinterpreted it, but when it comes to private sessions, for instance, where it’s really none of his business, he won’t remember anything.

MICHELLE: He was so deep last time that he actually had to ask.

KATHERINE: I guess it may drain your energy if you were to –

SERGE: I know people who have said that when they come out of trance, they feel like almost near death. I can’t relate to that in any way, shape or form. I just cannot, I never have and I just can’t go there.

KATHERINE: Oh, good. So you feel good, stable, solid…?

SERGE: Yeah.

KATHERINE: That’s great.

SERGE: When we go to California, I’ve made myself available for six private sessions over the course of the week plus the weekend, no more — not because it tires me — but I know from experience that you do too many in a day you won’t sleep that night.

KATHERINE: Oh, you’re energized by it.

SERGE: Yeah. I didn’t know — I did this in ’86, I think it was – in Vancouver – I was there two weeks I guess — and one place I went, a lady had arranged six private readings almost back-to-back and I didn’t sleep for 24 hours.

KATHERINE: Wow! But was it a good thing or a bad thing?

SERGE: Well, it ended up being not such a nice thing after all, because I was up for 24 hours and it really screwed me up. So I realized after that I had to make for some changes.

KATHERINE: That was sort of the way I felt when I was having that dream. I was glad I was doing it in the dream state, because I knew if I had that experience in this state, I just felt like I don’t know if I could have stood up to it all….like…all that energy….and that was only just a pinpoint of what was lying behind it in all other directions….like wow.

MARK: I’ve actually been waking up feeling very worn out and tired from my dreams of late.

JOHN: Doing a lot of construction?

MARK: I had a talk with Kris and [he offered] that you can actually ask yourself — even though you’re doing all this work in the dreams — to ask yourself to revitalize so that when you wake up you don’t feel that worn out tiredness and you feel revitalized…Since I started that, no problem.

KATHERINE: Yeah, it’s amazing how it works once you direct your attention to that and make yourself aware of it, and then make the decision that [the situation is] going to change now.

SERGE: I do gather though that it was pretty intense. I just have that feeling.

KATHERINE: Yeah, very. I’m just lapping it up. I feel like I’m at a buffet dinner, just sampling all kinds of things.

JOHN: I’m feeling a lot of fun energy, very vibrant energy. I just wanted to pick up something that you were saying, Myrna — I believe that you’re right in the sense that you started in by saying, “Why do I carry the paper cut into the future?” Right? And Kris really then started in about the kid saying “I hate you,” as an illustration…and he wasn’t done –

MYRNA: No, you’re right, he wasn’t done.

JOHN: So, there’s a piece missing here. We laid the groundwork for how you do carry the paper cut forward, but we haven’t gotten to the point of NOT carrying the paper cut forward.

MYRNA: Right! There’s something I’ve constructed coming here that somehow I want to reverse….instead of giving myself permission to carry that forward — the belief that I must carry that forward, and I think it’s related to a powerlessness, or….whatever it is — I want to reverse that!

JOHN: He did say something quite intriguing. He said that the reason that the paper cut is being brought forward has to do with the energy that you have invested in those ideas or beliefs.

MYRNA: Yeah, and we never got [back to that point].

JOHN: And so the issue then becomes how do you?…in other words, there’s a reason — oh, here we go!

(Kris returns at 9:06 PM)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are putting [forth] some effort as well!

JOHN: (Chuckling)

MYRNA: Well! What do you mean?

KRIS: And now, this is correct: there are always reasons why you may emphasize one event over another. There are many powerful events in life that somehow or other fall to the wayside, sometimes almost insignificant compared to other events which may, to the eyes of many, appear a near insignificant but to you, they are a literal colossus. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: What could be the reason? What significance would some events have over others that lead them specifically to be lent enough energy to become beliefs?

MYRNA: Is that a question you’re asking?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: What comes up for me is….they are evidence…those events feel to me as evidence of beliefs that I hold that continue to reinforce a particular belief. So it may be insignificant, but it’s more evidence of…blah, blah, blah.

MARK: You always have your own best interests at heart, so if you are giving more energy to one belief over another, there must be something positive to come out of it, correct?

JOHN: Hear, hear.

KRIS: That is also correct. Even if the outcome may self-prove to be destructive — sabotaging, in other words — there are many people who have very small illnesses, but never heal. There are people who have major illnesses and recover quite nicely. There are people with major illnesses that never recover.

Now it could be said, that it is because they wish to die and that is fine, for those who wish to go that route. But those who linger for years, even decades with illnesses, even though there is more than a great likelihood that any number of medications, allopathic, or herbal, or otherwise can alleviate their condition. But they still manifest it. What possible reason could that individual have for maintaining their condition? Do you understand?

MYRNA: I understand.

KRIS: Could it be that they extrapolate from others a sense of being able to control others? Could they elicit some form of pity from others? “Woe is poor little Debbie. Let us do what we can to help little Debbie,” as an example. Is it because there is a power play involved? Wife cannot get fulfillment from husband in marriage situation. According to her beliefs, divorce or separation is unacceptable, therefore become crippled. Force Hubby to notice and take care. As another example –

MYRNA: (Interrupting) Are you suggesting that’s an example for my highest good?

KRIS: We are using it as examples.

MARK: So there is a benefit of being crippled: you get the attention –

MYRNA: That I get.

MARK: It’s just an example.

KRIS: There are other individuals for instance, glorify in their illness, thinking that this is how God pays special attention to them over others. They are ill. Therefore God is concentrating his attention on THEM. They become special in the eyes of others who have similar beliefs that are involved in religious frameworks. There are always reasons, even if consciously you have surgically stitched over the reasons and buried it deep in the body, for one reason or another. Does that make sense as well?

MYRNA: Oh, I’m…yes, I’ve known that for a long time. I’m trying to figure out, Kris, about beliefs and intentions and moving from one continent to another. What does one do when one has spent years believing that if I’m crippled, that’s one of the ways I’m going to get attention? I’m just using that as an example.

KRIS: They might not make those thoughts available, necessarily, to themselves. They quickly hide them, brush them under the carpet so that they do not have to face up to their own responsibilities.

MYRNA: Okay, yeah. So what feels very optimistic in this for me is that in exploring the beliefs, the underlying beliefs, that some of my automatic responses — even the exploring of it is movement, is that true?

KRIS: Indeed, that is absolutely correct. Once you find one pretty gemstone, do not run to the gemologist with it right away; be like a good treasure hunter, look for more gemstones, more discoveries along those lines. And there are times when, the more deeply buried gemstones might prove tough to extract from the ground, but give it a damn good pull! (Group laughter) It WILL release!

MARK: That would be one of the most rewarding, obviously.

KRIS: Indeed, it will be the core belief. Does this make sense to you?

MYRNA: Oh, yes.

KRIS: It is a matter of pulling up the sleeves, bracing the elbows and diving in there!

MYRNA: I think that I know this work with you and then John and I taking it and every week applying it — I think it has been most profound in terms….I feel like my whole world has gone upside down.

MARK: In a good way or a bad way?

MYRNA: Oh, in a good way! In a VERY good way. It’s very profound. One of the most unbelievable truths here was that everything in my exterior world is there to reflect my beliefs.

KATHERINE: And however prominent your beliefs push themselves to yourself…in other words, I thank myself for bad experiences because it taught me how to look at my own beliefs and then….but what’s been happening recently is I’ve been realizing that just as surely as I can create negative things in life, that there’s infinite other possibilities and they can become prominent for me as well. And revisiting that over and over again just reinforces the power of my creativity in that direction, you know?

KRIS: Now, what is the time?

MARK: 9:15.

KRIS: Indeed, we would leave you with two things. One is a challenge for the week, and a sound. Now, the challenge is this: make it your loving intent that you deliberately appreciate the miracle of your being as it presents itself to you every day. And your being is not limited to your body. And make some small note of thanks and appreciation; a message to yourself in appreciation for the miracle of this being and this sound — as you know our sound is a sound of deep appreciation at other levels of your miraculous being.

Click here to listen to chant (MP3 only)

And may the sound and the appreciation carry you for the week.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:17 PM)

Katherine’s dream (as posted on a Seth forum):

The other night however, I had a dream that I thought you might like to hear about, because I believe it was a Teacher, Friend, Guide, or otherwise, a Personality who came at my invitation. This Personality did not really interact with me, but more came as a messenger. He was there to demonstrate something, not interact with me.

My intuition moves me to share this with you.

Previous to the dream, I had been asking my inner senses to reveal to myself the answer to a question I had for myself about value fulfillment. So I thought this dream was an answer to that, but it turned out to be an answer to another question I was developing about Building with Sound…using sound to create…I posted something along those lines. I am an individual who immerse myself with sound, daily…because I am a musician. I am familiar with the effect of sound. It uplifts me, and I indulge in it.

Anyway, this was one of those dreams that stands out…I think I have had it before, but it wasn’t your run of the mill dream. It wasn’t particularly fun or adventurous. I’m positive it was an answer to my questions. So here goes:

“I dreamt a friend was showing me how to make sounds with this strange instrument, and the sounds were interesting to me. The rhythms were very different from classical rhythms…they were built differently. There were crescendos, vibrations felt by my being, felt like energy, not good, not bad. The Teacher was demonstrating how to use the instrument. He was using the palms of his hands to manipulate the instrument. He was sliding his palms up and down the strings, instead of across. He was also moving his palms in a circular motion, at the same time. It seemed to be going slow at first, then built up to fast, then it would be going slow and fast, at once, and everything in between. By the end of the experience, it seemed the rhythms disappeared, and the sound was sustained without pause.

At the same time, the rhythms blended with the tones and pitches, and they were very different also. I could hear them, but they didn’t make sense at first. I couldn’t remember hearing them before. The pitches started at a lower vibration, and accelerated to a higher vibration, and I thought of a pyramid, with the lower tones at the base, and the highest tones at the tip. I couldn’t measure it against a 440 vibration. It wasn’t like sound as I know it, though there were similarities. At some point the energy was very loud and intense, and then came vivid colors-red, purple, blue, green, gold, silver, crystal, like jewels tones. I especially liked the green color. It matched an emotional feeling and I wanted to look at it, it felt good to look at it. The colors took on different images, first like a treasure chest full of large jewels with brilliant light radiating together with the color of the jewels, like they were beautiful and radiant colors. My attention was focused on the colors, more than the sound for awhile.

The sound was sustained, but subsided because my attention was turned to the colors. Then the colors matched the sounds, and became symbols, not images. The sounds and the colors matched in vibration, it was like I was seeing the music, and hearing the colors.”

I realize this is not what you would call channeled information vis a vis words, but it was definitely a personality that came to give me information. If this is not in keeping with the nature of this board, please let me know and that is really o.k. I just felt inclined to write it here.

Cheers from Katherine in Canada.

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What is Enlightenment?

January 22, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 22, 2006

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Michelle, Paul, Jo, Carl, Gail, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Evelyn, Tom, Lisa, and Anya

(For a detailed roll call, please go to the end of the transcript.)

(Session begins at 7:40 PM)

KRIS: Now then, we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable. Now, we believe that your football games are of great importance, and if we are given the opportunity, we predict that one of the two teams will win! (Group laughter.) [There was some chat pre-session about the upcoming Super Bowl.]

(To Mark:) Now perhaps this is a rare opportunity to un-mute, as we would like some interaction.

[Mark toggles the conference call so that everyone can be heard.]

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Now, we would like to know who remembers the last discussion and to be able to summarize.

MARK: Ellen?

ELLEN: (I misunderstood Kris when he asked Mark to un-mute everyone. I thought he told him to put on mute, so I say to my group.) We’re on mute now.

(A strange rasping sound comes across)

PAUL: (Laughing) Was that Ellen’s answer?

ELLEN: (Astonished and giggling) Can you guys hear me? I thought we were muted!

MARK: No, not any more.

PAUL: It’s all on the record.

ELLEN: (Laughing) Oh, okay! Now wait a minute…The last thing on my mind right now is the Toronto session [I just finished transcribing] so I’m trying to think back!

[My group in Delaware had gathered together about a half hour pre-session and opened two bottles of wine. Our conversation was lively and stimulating, the vibes were good, and the wine was excellent. By the time Kris arrived, we were all fairly toasty, so we were a bit on the silly side, especially me, I admit, as I was in a celebratory mood, having had a medical scare two days earlier that had turned out to be far less serious than I had feared.]

CATHY: Compassion.

ELLEN: Oh, yes! Compassion! The Compassion Session, yes, thank you. Cathy said, “The Compassion Session.” Exactly!

MARK: “The Year of Enlightenment by Compassion.”

ELLEN: (The details begin to coalesce) That’s right, yes. I even told my little compassion story and that was the session with the parable of the Man on the Mountain. Anybody else remember other things on that session?

CATHY: The last time?

ELLEN: Yeah, the last time you were here.

CATHY: Oh — the big teachers that come in…You know, Buddha and Jesus and so forth — their teachings got distorted into religious and political –

ELLEN: Yeah and how the Christ story came from older stories like Krishna, and Mithras and the White Bull, and the Osiris and Isis and Horus myths. How am I doing so far? (Laughs)

BRIAN: (Humorously) In other words, we plagiarized!

KRIS: And what other summarizations can be provided?

MARK: All of mankind can be considered one being.

ELLEN: Beautiful!

PAUL: This is Paul in Castaic, another theme that struck a chord with me was that learning to practice compassion and work with compassion in all its different forms is very challenging and WILL be very challenging for us. Kris essentially threw down a gauntlet and a challenge in that session to us all to be on alert as this year unfolds to be dealing with compassion.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And a chant.

KRIS: Now there are also other reasons why we introduced this subject matter and some have to do with challenging your own assumptions concerning enlightenment and compassion together. Considering that many different interpretations are given, especially concerning the word “enlightenment” but also the word “compassion.” And that is why we have brought them together and created a theme for these discussions.

And we understand it is not everyone’s cup of tea, depending upon their perspective and their own philosophical backgrounds, but it is nonetheless a subject matter from which many benefits can be derived through discussions, examination, and the Triple ‘A’ method. Who can give some traditional interpretation of the word “enlightenment”?

(Silent pause)

PAUL: This is Paul in Castaic, picking up the silence, um…awakening…awakening to our true foundational nature, awakening to consciousness at its Source.

ELLEN: Good one. An unfolding.

MARK: A wider awareness of self.

CATHY: Non-duality.

KRIS: In many traditional religious perspectives, enlightenment has a few different interpretations, mostly dealing with a commitment to be the mouthpiece of the deity du jour (Group laughter) as well as a renunciation of one’s carnal fleshiness and giving away of one’s human identity — thus one’s ego — for the pursuit of the desires of one deity or another, depending upon the culture. And this on its own should give you certain clues because all cultures, all different religions, have individuals who become enlightened in their own terms, or in the terms of the religious philosophy these individuals are pursuing in that specific focus.

This should indicate to you that the term “enlightenment” by its very nature has a much broader definition and is a phenomenon that is common to all of the different religious denominations past, present and future. In all different religious bodies there are individuals who become enlightened, which should indicate that enlightenment itself is not specific to any one religious body or philosophy but may indeed very well be a universal phenomenon.

The individual utilizes the vehicle of the religious philosophy he or she is involved in for the purposes of that focus in conjunction with those other individuals who become involved in one form or another with that one individual. But the phenomenon itself is far broader and has far-reaching implications into the very nature of the human psyche. Just as religions themselves are not particular to one group of people — though one group of people may have a specific religious philosophy –but all people have different philosophies.

All different groups, and yet there are numberless similarities on many levels in all of the various cultures and groups and nations, irregardless of time and space. This is a phenomenon that is innate to your human nature. Of course not everyone has access to it, though the potential is innate to everyone. It could even be said that even individuals that are not particularly involved in any religious philosophy or denomination or group of any kind can also attain a type of enlightenment. And we would offer in this regard one example that you know as Ruburt.

BRIAN: Ruburt! (Brian was whispering here, but Kris heard)

KRIS: Indeed!

BRIAN: Jane Roberts.

KRIS: Each individual has therefore access to the wider awareness of their own Source, but this is not something that exists merely in words, but very specifically in deeds, thus still respective of compassion as the tempering element within the state of enlightenment. Without the deeds, without the actions, it may very well be little more than sentimentalism and intellectual masturbation.

(Group laughter)

BRIAN: What was that word?

CATHY: What you’re doing.

(Delaware cracks up totally. I fear at this point we’re becoming a disruption.)

ELLEN: (Snickering) You’d better mute us, Mark!

BRIAN: The girls took advantage of me!

KRIS: Thus… (Kris kindly pauses while we collapse in gales of laughter in Delaware)

BRIAN: Sorry, Kris!

KRIS: Thus you always will notice that most individuals are not relying solely upon any kind of philosophy code perspective but will always venture into the actions to compliment their understanding. And by enlightenment we may also widen the understanding of the word to specifically include that this is a process of remembering of Essence, remembering Source, connecting with Source.

This is of importance because over the next century, there is the potential for more such manifestations in your social networks, but individuals who are less prone to be in the midst of religious and denominational factions and more in the midst of groupings of common individuals, the everyday person. And we need to be very clear here. This has been said before in other forms, but enlightenment in this fashion means that BEFORE your so-called enlightenment, you went to the bathroom, and AFTER your enlightenment, you will still go to the bathroom.

(Riotous group laughter)

ELLEN: Chop wood, carry water.

CATHY: Yep!

KRIS: There are philosophies that proclaim that once you attain enlightenment then you need do little more than present yourselves to the world and the world falls at your feet. Or that the enlightenment is instantaneous, or that your own physical form will somehow or other be magically trans-substantiated and will rise into the heavens. These are varieties of distortions that pervade many of your religions as well as many of your metaphysical and New Age nincompoopery!

(Gales of laughter. What a great word!)

KRIS: Even in such stages as enlightenment there are still processes that in degrees and layers of understanding are always unfolding within the individuality. Remember that you are multidimensional beings. You are gestalts, meaning that you are always more than the sum of all of your parts. And stages of enlightenment may mean that you are more in remembrance of Source or Essence than perhaps the Joneses down the street, but it does not mean that you are gods by any traditional understanding of the process.

That kind of godhood is strictly mythological in the sense that it is allegorical and representational of some of your own highest ideals, but is not factual. That is why in some respects many of you have turned to these teachings from Seth, Elias and others because you have an intuitive understanding that the gods and goddesses of old, the symbols utilized to subjugate and control the masses through religious indoctrination are merely that: symbols and not factual.

They are not truth, but indicative of deeper truths that exist in your own nature, truths that circulate along with the blood in your veins. (As Kris continues, he goes into what Mark and Serge have termed his “rolling thunder” voice, a deeply resonant and thunderous vocalization.) DEEP TRUTHS THAT BEAT IN YOUR HEART, DEEP TRUTHS THAT RESONATE WITH THE SOUND OF OUR VOICE IN THE CELLS OF YOUR BODY! TRUTHS THAT FLOAT IN AND OUT OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS TO REMIND YOU OF THE GRACEFUL AND GRACE-FILLED NATURE OF YOUR HOLY BEING!

Truths that are not found in scriptures or under the robes of priests, or on the altars of churches but truths that resonate in your being and make themselves into the flesh that you are! Those kinds of truths are enlightenment! That in the sound of YOUR voices the universe speaks, though it is often unheard. And deep in the cells of your being the cosmos is given birth time and again because your bodies sing of those truths.

Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:06.

KRIS: Then, we suggest a lovely enlightenment break, so that you can ponder some questions for afterwards.

(Break begins at 8:06 PM)

BRIAN: Hey Mark, Serge and Paul — the first thing that struck me — I just wrote it down — “enlightenment is the truth of self,” quote, unquote….It just hit me….this is Brian, by the way. Not that you could tell.

MARK: I think that’s a fair statement.

ELLEN: Sounds pretty good to me.

BRIAN: (Humorously) Paul, you can use my Essence any time you want, just put a copyright next to it, please?

(Group laughter)

PAUL: A trademark line!

BRIAN: (Laughs)

ELLEN: Very interesting tonight, really interesting.

JO: In technical terms: “Nincompoopery”!

ELLEN: I love it! Evelyn came a little early to have a Tarot reading and we were talking about pretty much the same thing – we were having the same discussion about religion that Kris was just talking about. She’s originally from China and moved here when she was nine with her parents and she was talking about — and it came up in her Tarot reading — about how she straddles two worlds and has been trying to find a compromise between the two worlds, her American self and her traditional Chinese self, you know her parents have been so…. (turning to Evelyn) What would you call it?

EVELYN: Chinese?

(Riotous laughter)

ELLEN: But they’ve been so demanding of you, I guess [to remain true to traditional Chinese roots], and she also said…. (turning again to Evelyn) uh, can I tell them this?

(Everyone cracks up)

EVELYN: I went to school in Utah, so can you imagine what I spent my years as? (Laughing)

ELLEN: Yeah, she became a Mormon for awhile. So she’s had a lot of background in a lot of very interesting…religious…well… (Laughing)…she’s had a lot of different religious indoctrination!

(Evelyn and I both crack up. Our discussion together during her Tarot reading was so very interesting, but difficult to put into words at that moment, and we are all feeling light and silly. Our Delaware group has had a bit too much wine, but we are having a grand time.)

SERGE: So how is the session?

(Silent pause)

ELLEN: (Loudly) Well, damn, Serge! That’s what we’re talking about here! (Laughing) It’s very good we’re enjoying it very much!

BRIAN: Yeah, here at “masturbation station!”

(That sends me into paroxysms of helpless laughter. No more wine for me!)

BRIAN: What an entertainer I am!

MARK: Are you guys picking up the “rolling thunder”? The voice he’s using?

(Affirmations all around of “Oh yeah!” and “Definitely!”)

PAUL: Yeah, I noticed that.

BRIAN: I’m deaf from thirty years of being a musician and I could still hear it.

MARK: He’s very deep tonight. He’s in a deep trance.

ELLEN: What I was trying to point out was that it felt like he was picking up on our discussions earlier.

CATHY: Yes, definitely mine too. And I wasn’t even here.

MARK: Either that or you were picking up on him.

ELLEN: Could be, could be!

PAUL: I’m glad he’s expanding his definition of enlightenment because it’s so easy to distort, and as he said, it’s so broadly interpreted in so many different traditions, yet it’s common to human experience. It’s good that he’s starting to add some depth, this being the Year of Enlightenment by Compassion, after all.

ELLEN: He has talked so much about connecting with Source, I’m glad that he put those two together, that enlightenment is both remembrance of Essence and connecting with Source.

PAUL: Essence is in Quadrant two and three and beyond that is — you know — the light, the Brahmajyoti, Quadrant four and so on. What does enlightenment have to with that larger cosmology of Kris’ that he’s talked about. To tie in Elias, he’s talked about the remembrance of Essence, which is really just a middle mediating part of the gestalt of…you know…when you think in linear terms, but it’s non-linear too, so this enlightenment and what you’re remembering, what you’re widening — it’s hard for me to put it into words because I’m in a linear body and language right now, but my sensing, my inner sensing conceptualization of this concept is…..it’s big. (Laughter)

It’s big, so the focus — we’re talking about focuses and how focuses develop in Quadrant one, Level one, Framework one and remembering Essence, which is a pretty big deal, by the way. It’s very, very important but there’s more to this, too, and I’m hoping he’ll talk somewhat about that just to color the larger conversation so we don’t just get locked into the remembrance of Essence which is pretty much a conventional sort of definition, New Age definition, I guess, of widening awareness and enlightenment.

SERGE: Normally, before Kris comes through I’ll yawn once or twice; but I had six or eight yawns and they were big ones, and I didn’t know what was going on and it’s just like…almost like falling off the edge of the cliff here.

PAUL: Cool! Welcome back.

(Group chuckles)

MARK: During his rolling thunder there, I closed my eyes and started to see visuals, and I walked into…like a grand, huge… like a Chinese emperor’s castle or temple. I’m reminded of a movie we watched with a Chinese emperor being at the far, far end and people were only allowed to come within so many paces, but I was at the furthest point in the room and Kris was at the opposite end of the room and he spoke and it just….it was like waves bellowing. It was really nice!

ELLEN: That’s cool!

MARK: Waves seemed to reverberate off the walls.

ELLEN: That sort of thing…you’re getting more and more of that kind of experience, aren’t you Mark?

MARK: Yes, definitely. My dreams lately are very vivid and strange. I’m not quite able to interpret them fully but I’m paying attention to them a lot.

ELLEN: You’re getting some really interesting visuals.

MARK: Yeah.

ANYA: This is Anya. He mentioned something about stages of the process….I’m just wondering if he would expand a little bit on that. I’m just curious where you draw lines and where it begins and ends…you know, I mean I don’t expect [to know] where the end will be, but it will be interesting to hear anything on the stages of that process.

MARK: I think one of the things that he was stressing there is that there is NOT an end that it is a continuing process and there are therefore different stages that you reach.

PAUL: For the focus personality that’s physically focused, though, there’s some place where the throttle is fully non-dual, is fully opened. You’re still, you know, having to go to the bathroom, and as the non-dual traditions talked about it, your experience arises — the world of form arises — but because you’re engaging the remembrance, you’re fully merged with all things that arise in your awareness. There’s no separation whatsoever, in these deepest stages, at least as some of the stages and some of the Eastern and mystical traditions talk about. So I’d be curious if Kris will address some of those human, focus stages and alignment.

MARK: Here we go.

(Kris returns at 8:15)

KRIS: Now these various stages of enlightenment, as experienced through the lives of many of your sages and saints — some of whom are then elevated to the status of divine beings themselves by their followers — may indeed have different but common experiences nonetheless. They may experience very many similarities in states of consciousness, but they may also be couched in different experiences depending upon the background, the religious and philosophical stance involved.

But in spite of those filters, there are still very many common denominators that could easily identify their perspectives with their brothers and sisters who are undergoing similar processes, but from different backgrounds. And a revision of some of these individuals’ lives from various cultures and religions will quickly indicate this. It must be remembered that there is no ONE state of enlightenment or remembrance that is specifically going to be one hundred percent identical to another, experienced by someone else, but again, there will be many commonalities.

Simply to show you that enlightenment is not a state of soupy oneness where all of your identities and individualities merge into oblivion and obliterate the individual traits and characteristics expressed through your ego construction. There will still be colorful differences and meaningful similarities at once, from one individual to another. The notion that once you are enlightened, you are IT is misleading.

There is no specific oneness, even up to the fourth quadrant of consciousness, as we have expressed some time ago, even though differentiation and non-differentiation states, duality and non-duality are no longer necessary, there is still the maintaining of individuality. And this is something perhaps difficult to comprehend to a great degree because you are so accustomed — you may even cherish the thought and the belief — that your individuality, your expressed individualism, is an impediment because you associate it strictly with your ego construction.

And on the contrary, your ego construction reflects some of your individualism and not the other way around. Your individualism — your precious individuality, your identity — is far different than what you know specifically in terms of your fleshy expression. And it will be with you, because it is who you are, and it will still continue as integral to the very matrix of your multi-dimensional being, up to and including with those stages of being that are specific to the fourth quadrant — what we refer to as Core Light, simply for lack of a better word — because the definitions expressed in your languages are often misleading if they exist at all.

And you may take this to the bank: none of you will sit in hellfire OR on a cloud next to a bearded guy for all eternity. These are still limited perspectives and the idea that images and philosophies and religions you have concerning the manufacturing of your divine creatures in itself are psychological prisons of the worst kind because you utilize these structures to limit and hinder the creative potential of Self.

(Once again utilizing the “rolling thunder” voice.) YOU CREATE THE GODS AND GODDESSES TO IMPRISON YOUR IMAGINATION AND CREATIVITY AND THEN YOU ACT AS PUPPETS TO YOUR OWN CREATIONS! AND THAT IS WHY MANY OF YOU — AS WE SUGGESTED EARLIER — HAVE AN INTUITIVE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE AS A POWER TO BREAK AWAY FROM THOSE BALL AND CHAIN IDEALS, THOSE COLLECTIVE BELIEFS.

That is why you seek to get in touch with your own stages of enlightenment. That is why compassion is important, because you cannot offer yourself such allowances but through being compassionate with your nature, with your creaturehood, because it implies and involves an understanding that even your fleshy being, your lovely cellular constructions are in need of a great deal of T.L.C.

And that you may if you so desire, start recognizing that it is not by berating and belittling and discounting of your own human nature that you are going to attain any kind of remembrance of Essence and connection with Source, because Essence and Source SPEAK through your blood, your bones, your eyes. You are Expressions of Essence! Carefully study the implications of those words and remember your roots! Remember where you come from!

Physically, genetically you may come from the sperm and the ovum of your parents, but you WERE, you existed before those two simple elements came together, composed the foundation of your house of flesh. And that is why you seek this type of knowledge, of understanding, because there is a deep original loving nature to who you are. And you are seeking to remember it. The processes involved begin with the searching you have all been doing, some for months, some for years, and some for decades.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:29.

KRIS: Perhaps there are lovely questions that you’d like to ask, as long as you are ready for the answers.

BRIAN: Kris this is Brian from Delaware. I’d just like to say thank you for speaking right to my heart.

KRIS: You are most welcome.

PAUL: Kris this is Paul in Castaic. I’m struck by your discussing redefining enlightenment in terms of the focus personality aspect as it’s manifest in Quadrant One and Level One and I think that’s where the pertinent action occurs and where the practical application of this information is; and yet, as I become more aware of my multi-dimensional self and nature, I realize that the conventional, pre-modern definitions of enlightenment are somewhat limiting and I know you’re addressing to that so my question is really……you’ve discussed the focus personality in terms of …….let’s just say, using you as an example, in your native focus in the Gaura cluster, it’s quite different, a different part of the gestalt of this larger self of ‘All That Is’.

Enlightenment, or Remembrance, must occur in every quadrant, but yet, it has to have quite different characteristics in the other quadrants, so I’m wondering if you would just briefly address the other quadrants for what you’re comfortable with.

KRIS: Indeed and in this you are correct, just as upon your own planet with its various religious denominations and groups and structures, there are various expressions of this remembrance of Essence or enlightenment. SELF, Essence, does not intrude and invade the focus personality’s own structures with the aim of blowing it apart, like blowing up a bridge. On the contrary, that would constitute massive intrusiveness. There is a meeting point. For every degree of allowance the expression desires, Essence or Source feeds that remembrance. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Thus it is in some respects, inappropriate to consider that those who are enlightened in some way or another have reached the peak of human spiritual evolution. They have merely begun their own journey as an example of what others can attain and aspire to. So it is a completely different perspective of the human experience, but it is still within the bounds of that human experience.

For example, how does Essence manifest remembrance of its OWN Source? And how is this remembrance, this enlightenment, constituted in other planes or dimensions, such as in other clusters of consciousness?

A most interesting question and perhaps the answers might be difficult to translate considering that in some instances there might not be any language to express it, because at this point in time, the most evolved language in its term, limits itself to enlightened states and states of becoming Divine, which are in themselves somewhat misleading. If for example, you spend your existence getting away from and dismantling religious indoctrination from your experience, why would you then become that which you sought to remove yourself from in the first place? Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: So this is somewhat misleading. From the perspective of other beings, each will undergo varieties of changes in their perspective, in their awareness as well. The processes are indeed common to ALL of those Expressions of Essence that choose to go through those processes. The differences are the props within which — or the context within which — the experience is triggered and unleashed.

And it is usually done with consent, though subjectively from all of the various Expressions of one Essence — some you term reincarnational lives and probable selves and so on, because there is a subjective awareness that they also will benefit to one degree or another and they will pursue their own evolution and will take their journey one step at a time.

For Essence does not impose, but offers and supports and nurtures ALL of the experiences of ALL of its expressions, even those that would temporarily express what you commonly refer to as atheism, complete disbelief in any religious divine beings or any such manifestations thereof in all of its forms. And this is still supported and nurtured within the context of Essence, and it does not present conflict. Do you follow so far?

(Yes)

Essence honors ALL of its expressions, though some of its own expressions may not do so in return. That is the non-dual perspective of Essence outside the context of time and space as you know it. You express yourselves through various belief systems, including duplicity. Essence does not.

At some other layers in other clusters, there is also the same type of process within the context of its OWN orientations, of its OWN challenges. And even in the third quadrant we also engage deeper layers of that remembrance in ways that are simply impossible to syntactically describe. Suffice it to say that there are fathomless sources to being. It is not a process that will ever end. And there is no duality at this stage. We trust that this answer makes some sense to you.

PAUL: (Chuckling) It does, and let me just try and summarize all the territory that you very kindly have covered with your answer. I’m framing my question through your quadrants map and exploring the different things and just to summarize then — generally speaking, with this topic of enlightenment — no matter where you are within ‘All That Is’, we’re talking about duality — sets of duality, individuality, and then non-duality, or mergence of unity awareness — and then if we just generally talk about the four quadrants generally, then we can loosely say that there’s a SPECIES, or a type, of duality/non-duality process, an action unique, and in fact perhaps that’s what defines in your perception these four quadrants. Is that accurate?

KRIS: This is an acceptable summary.

PAUL: (Chuckling) Okay! That’ll do for tonight. (Group laughter) It was very helpful actually, thank you.

BRIAN: Kris, this is Brian. I get the funny feeling this process of enlightenment is a forever unfolding.

KRIS: Forever is a very long time.

BRIAN: Forever in the now.

KRIS: Indeed, there are always various integrative stages, and it is not that once you attain SOME kind of enlightenment, you nonchalantly pooh-pooh away all of your experiences beforehand. They actually become very much cherished, but not necessarily the main focus of your drive. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: There are always creative, inventive pursuits. Many of those that you have perceived as attaining some degree of remembrance of Essence, that you have qualified as sages and saints in your histories, have expressed deep mystical interpretations of their processes, again through the filters of beliefs, again within the context of their own background.

And this is not about to change. But NOW there is a different filter possible, one that did not necessarily manifest itself until this last century and that is a remembrance in a different sector of human experience without necessarily being covered under the guise of religious revelation, though this still occurs. But there is a new species of enlightenment and remembrance and it can deal with Source without immediately trapping this remembrance in the strait-jacket of religious indoctrination and brain-washing. That does make a significant difference to the experiences now available to your species. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

ELLEN: Kris I have a question.

(Mark and I began to speak at the same time.)

MARK: Go ahead.

ELLEN: In my last private session I had asked you a question and you kind of anticipated my answer and I let it go at the time. At that time I said it must be hard when Essence creates a focus and you answered that it comes out of pure desire. But that wasn’t the end of my question, but I let it go at the time…but what I was trying to ask you was….I wanted to know what it’s like for Essence…is it a dilemma for Essence when a focus denies and turns away from Essence…does it become a challenge for Essence to reach that focus personality?

KRIS: We believe that we have partially answered this moments ago and at the same time it does not represent a challenge. It is merely a matter of nurturing that expression in any way necessary; even to pretend that the expression’s belief in total denial of the phenomenon of its own Source can be manufactured for that expression.

ELLEN: It kind of goes back to your parable of the Man on the Mountain, too….how the man on the mountain denied that he was sitting on a mountain full of gold….but he denied himself the gold — the comfort, the pleasure and the joy he could have obtained from the gold of the very mountain he was sitting on. Is that a fair assessment?

KRIS: It is not a challenge per se to still hold and nurture any expression that chooses what it chooses. The Essence that engendered the Hitler personality was still loved and unconditionally supported by its own Source.

ELLEN: Ah. It’s a matter of allowance, then.

KRIS: In that respect, yes.

MARK: It’s funny, Ellen, because I was about to make a statement when you jumped in with your question, and I let you go first, but I was going to say that during the session I was heavily reminded of how Essence will give the focus the tools, the energy necessary to perceive and manifest what it is focusing upon, even if it is deemed negative by us. So I could be wallowing in misery and Essence will magnify and allow that to unfold.

ELLEN: And that’s free will.

KRIS: Indeed, as a parent, regardless of what your child does, you will still hold that child in a loving embrace, correct?

ELLEN: (Laughing) Essence never gets exasperated?!?

KRIS: We never said that! (Group laughter) Why do you think we hang out at Sid’s Cafe?

(Hearty group laughter)

ELLEN: I’ll drink to that!

BRIAN: So Kris, even an expression like Adolf Hitler would come into this world….

ELLEN: With a loving Essence.

KRIS: Keep in mind there is a certain degree of difference between the Expression and the Essence. The individuality that you historically recognize as Hitler made its own choices and preferences in conjunction with a great collective endeavor. The Source is very different. It is not that the Essence would rather love Mahatma Gandhi than Hitler. That is simply your collective duplicity in action. Do you understand?

BRIAN: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

MARK: Another example might be that of an actor who has to play the role of a villain. The actor might be a loving, caring person, but it’s a difficult choice to play that role.

KRIS: Are there other lovely questions, or do you prefer a short break?

ANYA: I have a question. During last conference call, Kris talked about Christ and how Christ used healing powers to heal people, and in my understanding he said that the healing power basically was the healing power of compassion. I’d like to know why. Why compassion is that power that really transforms — at least this is my interpretation – [why compassion] is the power that is available for transformation? I may be off in my perception.

KRIS: Now firstly, we said that the miracles you read about in holy books and scriptures are allegorical. When it says that the sage or the saint or the avatar gave sight to the blind, gave hearing to the deaf, gave life to the dead, this is allegorical, symbolic. It MEANS that those who were spiritually blind were allowed to see, those who were spiritually deaf were allowed to hear, those who were spiritually dead, were given spiritual life because these individuals desired those transformations. And again this is allegorical. These things did not occur in PHYSICAL reality.

ANYA: Right, I understand that. My question I guess is why did I hear that you said it was the transforming power of compassion — why compassion, instead of maybe JOY, or something else?

KRIS: Compassion then can encompass ALL of these states and it usually involves an unconditional state. It asks for nothing in return, not even a membership to the club! (Group chuckles) It does not require adherence to the cult. It does not require conversion to the religion, because that would FURTHER imprison and return the individual to a state of blindness and deafness and death.

That is why you all seek these types of knowledge, again because you have a deep understanding that these OLD teachings by themselves are PRISONS. By understanding what they mean can you draw your concentration away from the traditional interpretations and literal absolute truth that says that only OUR gang has the truth and all others are liars and frauds and therefore constitute evil; and only our gang is pure and knowledgeable and divinely inspired. Do you follow?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: (In the rolling thunder voice.) WE WOULD RATHER BE IN A BAR WITH KNAVES AND SCOUNDRELS, RAISING A GLASS OF BEER TO THE JOYS OF LIFE THAN TO BE SUBJUGATED TO SERVITUDE TO ANYONE’S GOD!!

ELLEN: Hear, hear.

KRIS: Now have a break!

(Break begins at 8:58)

BRIAN: So much for the twelve-step program! (Group laughter) I went up four rungs of the ladder and fell!

(Evelyn tells me she has to leave to get some studying in.)

MARK: Ellen, do you know that story I talked about when I just closed my eyes during the first part and I saw that large temple/castle and I heard the sound, felt it and saw it reverberate…

ELLEN: Absolutely.

MARK: The second part of that was duplicity…it was the house of flesh that I call “Mark”, but it was also the house of Self that Essence and Source — it was the WHOLE Self — so those words reverberated through ALL of me.

ELLEN: (Pausing to absorb) That is very cool.

MARK: Yeah, I think so.

ELLEN: (As Mark’s word sink in even more.) That is VERY cool! (Laughs) I’m going to enjoy transcribing this….You know I’m sorry Emmy’s not here tonight, because I love how he spoke about how compassion begins with Self and Emmy and I were just discussing that ad nauseum on New World View on my forum.

MARK: Yeah, I agree.

ELLEN: I think that comes right out of his parable from the last time and how we just don’t seem to believe that our own selves deserve the best in life that we can get — of health, of comfort, of joy — whatever comfort and joy means to each person — we have to start with ourselves.

MARK: If you can’t express it outwardly, how can you express it inwardly?

ELLEN: Exactly. (To Cathy sotto voce.) Did Evelyn just walk out?

[I discover that Evelyn has gone while I was talking to Mark. Cathy saw her out and I get up and run to see if I can catch her to say goodbye. Bad hostess! Bad!]

MARK: I don’t know if Serge is going –

BRIAN: (Interrupting) Ellen just left the building for a minute.

ELLEN: (Coming back in) Evelyn left while we were talking. I didn’t even get a chance to say goodbye.

(A number of people shout out plaintively: “Bye, Ev! Goodbye!” Everyone laughs)

BRIAN: She can’t hear you but she’ll read it on the transcript! You know what came to me, Paul is — enlightenment is the truth of self — and I think Kris expounded on that. Your take on that?

PAUL: Um, you know, different definitions — enlightenment for a focus is opening to non-dual. If you want to define that as Truth with a capital ‘T’ then I’m down with that as a universal absolute in every quadrant, regional area, level, framework, whatever.

BRIAN: Right, but there are no absolutes.

MARK: No, there’s not because for instance, you could have a housewife with six kids in suburbia USA who’s enlightened, and you have a monk on a mountain in Tibet, sworn to celibacy, maybe even silence — both of them can be enlightened beings, but obviously they are going to express it and experience it extremely differently.

BRIAN: It’s a case of individuality.

PAUL: Kris has made the point a couple of times that the enlightened focus as we know it, is still interpreting the world of form, the world of duality, through its cultural belief systems, and if you throw in Elias’ ten belief systems, which is what our worldviews consist of — and the blueprints — those worldviews are colorant enlightened experience. So it’s kind of neat, what he said tonight on the record is very consonant with what I understand at least in intellectual terms.

And I want to also mention Ken Wilber’s “One Taste” to anybody interested in Wilber’s more poetic, less academic — it has academic parts in it — but there’s some extremely beautiful stuff — and in fact, on New World View, Rob posted….uh, I forget the topic, it was a few days back and a thousand thoughts ago….but he posted a long excerpt from Wilber’s “One Taste” that resonated to quite a few people who disagreed with some little nit on Kris or some little nit on Elias or whatever — and it just struck me, so I wanted to mention to anyone in this conversation who wants to follow up and do some reading about someone who has given it a lot of thought and is a very special person, I believe, in this area who has something important to say.

That is a book, called “One Taste” again, by Ken Wilber, that’s just full of stuff like that. And if you’re seriously interested in following that up, too, there’s a book that’s a compilation of what I call poetry — it’s not like Jane Robert’s poetry — it’s his mystical, uh, his version of “rolling thunder,” shall we say. It’s called “The Simple Feeling of Being”, and it’s extremely beautiful and it ties into Kris’ riffs on enlightenment and compassion and it builds…it’s complimentary, is what I’m trying to say.

ELLEN: And that was by who? That second one?

PAUL: Ken Wilber.

ELLEN: Oh, that was also Wilber?

PAUL: Yeah, they’re both Wilber books and “The Simple Feeling of Being” is very accessible, no endnotes — compilation by his students — so it’s just excerpts from the different books, kind of like a digest of Elias that I’ve done, more like that, and it’s just quite beautiful stuff.

ELLEN: Okay. He’s done a lot more books than you ordinarily find, even at my bookstore (at Barnes & Noble Books). There’s a lot more titles that he’s got out there than I’ve seen [at any major bookstore chains]. I’ve never heard of those two titles.

PAUL: There are 18 to 23, depending on how you count them, and he had his collected works published three or four years ago, and he’s only 56, he’ll be 57 this month. Some of them are no longer — actually they’ll be coming out again, Shambala Press — it’s a Buddhist organization, who has supported Ken for decades and published his work.

ELLEN: So a lot of these, you have to look online for, I think?

PAUL: Oh yeah. Absolutely. You can get them at Pal’s and the used bookstores and whatnot, but they’re coming out with new editions of all of them.

ELLEN: It’s good to know this, because, like I said, a lot of the big bookstore chains don’t carry even a lot of the Seth books anymore.

PAUL: Yeah, you’re down to one or two Seth books if you’re lucky, and with Wilber you’re lucky if there are two or three Wilber books.

ELLEN: Yeah, so people need to know where to find them.

PAUL: Shambala Press and Ken has his own website, too.

MARK: (As Kris returns) It’s time!

(Kris returns at 9:04)

KRIS: Now, are there other lovely questions?

GAIL: Hi Kris, this is Gail. I have a question about last night in my sleep state, viewing the color purple. Can you tell me what that represented?

KRIS: What impressions do you gather from this experience?

GAIL: I view it as more of an opening intellectually to a spiritual affirmation for myself.

KRIS: (Pause) Now this is the remnant of a deeper experience that you interpreted on the bridge between these deep sleep states towards the waking states of consciousness. Along the way you left out many experiences.

GAIL: Yeah, I can feel that.

KRIS: But, in your deeper states of that dream, you met up with other aspects of Essence in the search for nurturing. At this point in your life there is a deep need for nurturing. There is a need to feel supported, to feel uplifted and even secure in your exploration and this is what you went to get. You may not recall those deeper states of the dream experience, but they involved those deeper layers of Essence that you still communicate with on the way back to your waking perceptions.

You eventually forgot the finer details of those meetings because they may not have any equivalents in your terms, in your language, in your own definitions. But the color purple did carry significance, so you utilized it as a flag to contain some of those deep experiences for yourself; encapsulated, encoded within that color. Does that make sense to you?

GAIL: Yes, it does, and I also wanted to know if that correlates to the colors that I was experiencing of the yellow-green and the white that was expanding — contracting and expanding — within that.

KRIS: These are also remnants of communications that you have saved in a manner that is significant to you.

GAIL: Okay, thank you. I appreciate that.

MARK: Anybody else?

(Long pause)

KRIS: You are all too quiet. Rosalie! Where is your question?

JO: Where’s my question? You tell me! I have a lot of questions but none are coming to mind at the moment. I’m just very interested in everything that I’m hearing.

KRIS: We believe that approximately three or four days or nights ago you had a deep dream experience, no less than one week past; a deep dream experience that you may not completely recall but it left a powerful impression upon you. Does this ring any bells?

JO: Yes….I’m not recalling the imagery at the moment, but I have a feeling tone of it that I’m remembering.

KRIS: Exactly.

JO: Can you provide me some insights?

KRIS: It had to do with an ancient focus of yours that you are familiar with, and our progeny and ourselves.

JO: Your progeny and mine? Together?

KRIS: The progeny of that focus and our Self [ELLEN'S NOTE: usually Kris says "ourselves" when referring to himself but I am positive he used the word "self" in the singular. I just wanted to make a note of that here]. Do you know of which focus we speak of? An ancient focus in old Britannia.

JO: Yes. Yeah, it’s coming back to me.

KRIS: We mentioned some time back about the progeny of that focus.

JO: Yes. Jessaline! Jessaline who left Judea and went to Londinium.

KRIS: Indeed.

JO: Thank you.

KRIS: You will find, we believe, in a transcript soon to be –

ELLEN: Uh-oh!

KRIS: — some information along those lines.

ELLEN: Are you speaking of the last Toronto session?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: (Laughing)

MARK: Hildegard.

ELLEN: You’ll see that one pretty soon.

MARK: Hildegard von Bingen.

ELLEN: Yeah, Hildegard. (The connections start to all come together) Oh, I’m flipping out! (Laughing loudly) Oh no! Mark, are you flipping out?

MARK: No.

ELLEN: (Mark’s response makes me laugh even louder)

PAUL: Anybody want to share the insight?

JO: Yeah! Do share!

ELLEN: At the last Toronto session, which I just finished transcribing and sent to Mark, Kris spoke of Serge having a focus of….um… [Someone] whose progeny was Hildegard von Bingen — and this focus went from Israel to Britannia (I’m piecing this together from my memory of the transcription)…uh…so… (Laughing again) I’m assuming that he’s saying that Jo…was…that focus…..Is that right, Mark? Do I have that right?

MARK: I don’t believe so.

ELLEN: (Unbelieving) I DON’T have it right?

MARK: No, I believe that the focus of Hildegard von Bingen is a co-creation so to speak between Kris and Joseph…

ELLEN: Yeah…but Kris also said –

MARK: — and [you're saying] Rosalie would have mothered….that focus? Am I correct?

ELLEN: Not mothered, but in that line….because he said that there was a focus way back who began in Israel and went to Britannia and joined the Druids, and from there she begat a line — of progeny he called it — that eventually Hildegard came from.

MARK: Right…so….hang on… (Turning to Kris for confirmation)

KRIS: That IS more appropriate to what we said. Does that make sense to you now, Rosalie?

JO: Yes, very much. Thank you for that and also involved in that line was the historical woman who mythologically became the “Lady of the Lake.”

[Comments among the group of "Wow" and "Really?!"]

KRIS: Now, do not expect us to call you “Granny.”

(Riotous group laughter)

BRIAN: Hey, Grandma!

JO: Thank you for that. I appreciate that very much.

ELLEN: She appreciates it! (Group laughter.) I’m just totally cracking up over the wackiness of all these interrelationships that are coming out in these sessions)

JO: (Laughing) Not the granny part so much, but everything else was wonderful. Thanks.

ELLEN: Oh, god, I’m flipping out.

BRIAN: Can’t wait to read this one, huh?

KRIS: Now then, we thank you for your lovely consideration and we urge you to shake the very foundation of your beliefs so that your mental house of cards can be transformed and that your lives are understood to be a living testament to the joy and compassion that is within your hearts. And may your dreams be as filled with wonder as you are.

ALL: Thank you, Kris;

(Session ends at 9:19 PM)
Detailed Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Michelle

Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Gail (Sophia), Carl

Wilmington, Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Cathy (Segova), Brian (Enzo), Evelyn

Hawaii: Tom (Desire)

Oregon: Lisa

Utah: Anya

**

Private Session with Tom Chez

January 21, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Tom Chez (Desiré)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 21, 2006

Kris: Now we thank you for your consideration, and we trust that you are looking forward to an incredible year.

Tom: Yes indeed Kris – hello.

Kris: Indeed. You might enjoy playing with the idea of asking yourself what you will be creating this year for yourself, what kind of experiences you might put together, what kind of ideas and plans you will pursue, what kind of creations you will enjoy putting forth on your journey – And keeping track of the things that miraculously make themselves known to you.

Tom: Through dreams and intuitions?

Kris: And even through good old fashion daily events, circumstances, and conditions.

Tom: Ok, very good. It’s an interesting topic: “What will I be creating this year”.

Kris: And it is not necessarily meant as a means of predicating what you might or might not draw forth out of consciousness, but more so of paying attention to what comes to you, what kind of events you draw to yourself, what kind of conditions, what kind of challenges, what kind of successes, all of these things.

Tom: Getting more into conscious creation as opposed to predictive communications.

Kris: Indeed, we would prefer to use the term “Value Creations”. ‘Conscious Creation’ is fine and excellent operation all on its own, but it is often filled with inaccuracies and distortions. In our perspective, value creations might give pause and a clearer understanding of what the individual is manifesting.

Tom: Ok, this is based not only on an original blueprint, but in choices and decisions that are made instantaneously.

Kris: That is correct. The purpose being to be more aware of your own conscious objective and unconscious or subjective processes, develop a wider awareness of what it is that you do and what it is that you are all about, above and beyond the everyday events that go by often unnoticed.

Tom: Ok and I have a question on that actually. I was thinking about probable futures – directions of future selves. Then I was thinking, “What are my desires? What do I want to create? Now, in one sense I can come to you and say “Oh, there are these three things I’d like to do: A, B, and C and I’d like to know which will turn out best for me in the future”. But then on the other sense you would look back at me and say, “What are your desires? What do you want to create?”

So it’s confusing to me that there are probable futures, kind of (like) a habitual path – if you keep the same habits then the same things will happen as you go through life. So you can’t just look and say, “from the future I see this, so just do this and you’ll be there” It’s more in the now “What is my desire to create? Then looking at what potentials my various futures have for manifestation. Could you comment on that?

Kris: Indeed. Are you certain that you care to open this can of worms?

Tom: Yes, because that’s where my confusion is. Up till new we’ve been talking about the conscious, subconscious, and the ego (portions of self). I’m looking for more stability in my life in different areas. I think with stability I need to look at sources for stability, meditations for stability, and I’d have to look at what am I creating, also what potential do (my desires) have for manifestation in the future, or have already manifested, or manifesting now, or may never manifest. So it seems like it’s all connected together and we’re slowly moving in that direction. Getting away from communications itself and towards “How do I make a change?”

So … I could say I’d like to do this, this, (and) this… I see potential for me doing this and this… Its almost like I need a nudge to say “Oh that and that’s good – go do that” or really its something that I have to hear FROM my SELF, in my own visions rather than relying on another person or another entity to tell me that – essence to tell me that. I need to be able to (find) that for myself and to know inside that this is what I want and that it does have the possibility to manifest. So I have some confusion, and I’d appreciate if you could help clear that up for me.

Kris: Indeed. We will attempt to do so to the best of our abilities. There are many different approaches to such projects, many different perspectives as well. The general popular perceptions indicate that one would merely have to wish very hard and then see it appear before your eyes. And of course such an approach and philosophy leaves itself wide open to many a great disappointment.

Other approaches indicate that one should create images in one’s mind that you want to occur. But that is not good enough. It must be the best, biggest car. It must be perhaps even a red Ferrari in order to be of any kind of value. And you must concentrate on that imagery and then release it and wait for it to appear.

Now, these first two approaches, though well intentioned, are also missing many ingredients in the recipe. Visualizations and thinking and thoughts are excellent own there own, but they are not the complete picture. Very rarely do you or any human being entertain a thought or an image in your minds eye without it being accompanied also by some kind of emotion, feeling, desiring, or lack of. Do you understand?

Tom: Yes.

Kris: And this is where we lead into a different approach that we will again refer to as “Value Creation”. It is one thing to try and imagine and desire, visualize the biggest car, the biggest lottery winning, the biggest job in the world, and so on and so forth. Yet if one does not at least make a concerted effort to examine where they are in life, and take appropriate steps to allow movement towards their desired goals, it can be very difficult to even obtain the desire. And again lend themselves to disappointments. By this we mean if you are immersed in poverty and you dream about winning a big lottery, but you do not even have the means to buy a lottery ticket, it may indeed be extremely difficult to get that outcome.

Secondly, you may hold all types of ideas or beliefs concerning rich people from your perspective of poverty. It is possible that as an impoverished individual you may think that poor people are abused by the rich. That the rich are somehow or other untrustworthy, conniving, and seek out to make money from the blood and sweat of the poor, that the poor are taken advantage by those that have the means to lead the upper crust of society. And there may be dozens and dozens of other related beliefs that would make it extremely difficult for you to allow sufficient desire and energy and motivation and imagery to move towards the manifestation of the goal. Because you understand that if you win a big lottery you will become one of the upper crust, and that may not sit well with parts of you. Do you follow that?

Tom: Yes, so it seems like the answer to that is to really sit down and think out what could it be like if I were say, providing jobs where there were no jobs, providing jobs instead of taking away jobs, and helping people as apposed to taking advantage of people. It seems like more of a mental exercise where you look for that in day-to-day life. Finding people that are employed in these jobs and realizing that somebody has taken the time to employ them. Even though it may be a minimum wage job at the corner store, they are happy that they are working. (The business owner) is very happy to be able to provide that for them.

Kris: Indeed that is a joint creation. The individual that is employed creates his employment. The employer creates the possibility to employ others – those that wish to be employed. Each of them has their individual responsibilities and creations. And together they provide opportunity for each other and many others as well.

That is perhaps a little more complex than what you have described, but when you water it down to some base elements you do have this cooperative feature, cooperation between the joint realities.

Tom: Now that could wear away at the beliefs that rich people just take advantage of poor people? If one were to constantly think of it from that perspective?

Kris: The individual would definitely diminish it greatly from examining the contents of his mind or her mind. And recognizing that those apparent facts of life, that are held as the views of the impoverished individual are just that: views, beliefs, and not necessarily facts about life. Because those views, those held beliefs indeed are the filters through which the creations are manufactured. They are the balls of psychological cloth that the individual uses to cut his or her reality from.

And by examining those beliefs and recognizing them for what they are, it is easier then to change those beliefs for a different set of beliefs. Not to try to alter or transform those beliefs because that is not possible. What you do then is to generate new sets of beliefs. Focus your consciousness into other kinds of belief areas, cultivate them get to know what is implied by holding those new beliefs, testing them in a manner of speaking. Perhaps not unlike the way you would put on a new jacket or a suit jacket at the men’s clothing store to see how it fits upon you. Are the arms too long? Are the shoulders too tight? Is the waistline correct? Is the length of the jacket correct? Are the stitching and the design and the color suitable for your personality?

Therefore, beliefs become something similar. And you can play with new ideas – play with new concepts and new realities for yourself. And in-between the two processes that of leaving behind the old mental clothing of beliefs, into the wearing of the new wardrobe of mental beliefs, there may be occasions when the old patterns try to assert themselves, fearing that change will bring catastrophe as well as many other issues.

So there is a transition period. Consider as we have spoken before the idea of leaving one continental shoreline, traveling the ocean to reach the shores of the other continent. There is a period in-between that must be traveled and may appear to be lonesome until you sight the new continent – the new land. There is a gap of time that should also be honored and not used as a means to berate yourself because you do not get it right, but that is not the point.

Again returning to the analogy of trying on the new suit jacket. If it is suitable but may need some adjustment: The tailor can re-pin the wrists, perhaps take in or take out the back, perhaps it may even need a little lengthening or shortening in order to make it tailor fit for you. Does that make sense to you?

Tom: Yes, I do have a question. How would the ego influence the beliefs? Would the ego… I see the beliefs as something we choose, our conscious self chooses. We also have the aspect of the ego to consider. What are its gravitations as far as holding onto beliefs? Does it entertain beliefs? Does it persuade you no to change beliefs?

Kris: It is perhaps a good idea to revise your thoughts towards the ego. Now the ego is not a thing separate from you, it has not been thrust upon you, and it is not detrimental: it does what you have programmed it to do. That is how you acquire beliefs.

Tom: Ok, it’s through the ego.

Kris: Indeed. There may be situations you have observed, you have lived through, you have thought about, you have listened to others, you have read. It may come from any corner of your reality. These are thoughts, if you wish ideas, perceptions, and views that you assign particular charges of energy, in a manner of speaking – more so then others…

Tom: So the ego becomes a bank of beliefs, a program that runs on this bank of beliefs.

Kris: It is indeed the storage house of the contents of your mind. It keeps an inventory and it does what you have programmed it to do. For instance, if you have decided somewhere along the line that intuitions and extra sensory perceptions might even be threatening to you, then when you do perceive such inner communication you would react negatively because you have programmed yourself in just that way.

On the other hand, if you consider that such communications are not threatening and might even prove helpful and fun, then you might react in a constructive manner and encourage more of the same. So the ego can actually be coaxed by you to be a helpmate in such widening of awareness. And it does not need to be fought and resisted. Because if you fight then the ego simply does what you are telling it: it fights back. Does that make some sense?

Tom: Yes.

Kris: And the ego is not a thing to be banished in order to obtain some kind of spiritual enlightenment. That only compounds the problem. The ego can be a most useful partner in explorations of consciousness. It is a matter of utilizing the properties of consciousness in order to gain that perspective.

Tom: So the ego can then be looked at from two perspectives; one we can look at it from a communications perspective where, based on my beliefs and programming, it may not be allowing unconscious communications to come through. Then the other aspect would be what beliefs and programs have I set up that may be preventing me from obtaining my goals and desires.

Kris: Indeed. Are you familiar with computer programming?

Tom: Yes sir.

Kris: Indeed. That can be a most excellent example. You program the software to act in such and such a manner. That it reacts to this input in this way and to that input in that way. Correct?

Tom: (Yes).

Kris: And it can not act or react contrary to its programming. That is a fairly basic understanding. And if does not act or react to something that you do that you have not programmed into it, it makes little sense to rave at the machine. Because it is you who have not suggested or told it how to react when this situation comes up. So what do you do? We assume is to go back into your editor and add the necessary lines of code that include this performance that it did not have before. And perhaps remove lines of code that would prevent such performances. Correct? Is that a cruel approximation of programming?

Tom: Yes.

Kris: Then consider in some way that the ego functions in exactly that kind of manner. Now you are also familiar with trying to run two different operating systems simultaneously on a machine and the chaos that will occur, even the total shutdown of the machine. Correct?

Tom: Yes.

Kris: So if you wish to run new programs, new operating systems on the machine, so to speak, you need to make certain that there are no opposing operating systems in operation, that they are some how or other ineffective from coming on line. Now it does not mean that you need to destroy them, but it means that you can focus on the new and let go of the old. And of course this is an approximation but we believe you understand the concept.

Tom: Yes, the emotional charge of holding on to something…

Kris: Indeed. For instance if you hate rich people because you think they smack in their pompous attitudes, do not expect to become rich yourself, because you will have distain for your own potential populace or prosperity, and it will work against you. Now we do not necessarily wish to focus upon prosperity in that manner because contrary to popular belief, contrary to popular notions these approaches: concentrating on making wealth is usually attempted with the idea that this will make one happy. This will fulfill one.

Very few individuals are actually prepared to examine their own values concerning happiness and fulfillment. Thus, value creations is most important in the sense that examining the contents of the mind, as almost mandatory to examine the inventory of the mind and figure out what kind of beliefs, belief structures, and even belief systems you hold that can be powerful assistants to your desired goal as well as to pay attention when the resistances, the contradictory programming will come on line and will take effect to put a stick in your wheel.

Tom: That would be experienced as perhaps a lack of energy, a lack of motivation?

Kris: There may be even tremendous inner conflict, and we have always maintained that the best approach is to pay attention to your inner dialog. That will be a very clear indication to the beliefs that you hold, as well as to pay attention to the external manifestation of the contents of the subjective experience. Whatever is subjectively experienced and gone through by you and processed also has its physical counterpart to one degree or another.

Some of these counterpart activities may occur in dreams, may occur in deep meditative states, some others will appear in clear physical manifestations. That means the everyday events and circumstances of daily life. This will also be an indication in three-dimensional terms of the beliefs that you hold.

Tom: That clears things up for me. That helps quite a bit. I can see that in my own life and how that’s affecting me.

Kris: It needs to be clearly understood that physical reality is also a projection of your subjectivity, for you to examine in concrete physical terms what it is that you are entertaining, what you are concentrating upon.

Tom: So I’m seeing that conflicting beliefs can cause stress that takes energy away from a goal or desire. It removes the energy, the momentum.

Kris: It may indeed dampen the momentum. And most people may view conflicting beliefs as to mean that they have a problem. We would suggest instead, to consider that conflicting inner dialog, conflicting subjectivity, be viewed as a communication from your inner self, your subjective self, to tell you to pay attention to this. It says “You want to obtain this desired goal, but here is something that may slow the momentum.”

So look at this, utilize the Triple “A” method, work with it, and align yourself energetically far more potently with your new desired goal. Not because you have destroyed the conflicting belief, but because you have taken your focus away from it. You have Acknowledged it, Addressed it, and Accepted it so that its energy no longer fights you, but assists you towards the new goal.

Tom: So really adding more energy or another source of energy when you have this conflict going on is still self-defeating. Energy itself is not going to help the situation; it’s removing the conflict that’s impeding the energy and momentum.

Kris: And the conflict is your inner self’s way of alerting you to a contradictory program that you have left running in the background, for you to pay attention to it and then deal with it appropriately. Does that make sense to you?

Tom: Yes, I think that’s a good starting point for me to focus on and think about and see where that takes me.

Kris: Indeed. The other point – just very briefly – is that often people aim for an extraordinarily big event to create. Sometimes to the point where they know that such a goal is impossible in certain terms, because they hold beliefs about being victims of events and circumstances, about being failures, about others being against them, and so on and so forth. And the new goal is aimed so high that it is guaranteed to fail.

Tom: Just confirming what you already believe?

Kris: Indeed. It is self-defeating prophecy. On the other hand, if you would begin to aim at a half way line with some smaller project and then build from there. You are not only building confidence, you are observing your strategies, you are noticing how you play with your consciousness, how you project energy, and so on and so forth. You would build a confidence pattern. And you would not say after only five minutes of trying, throw your arms in the air and say “It does not work” and leave it.

So we wanted you to understand this. To begin with things that are practical and obtainable and then build up. But do keep it within the realm of the real. Do not expect that tomorrow morning… we believe that near you there is a Diamond Head cove?

Tom: Yes there is.

Kris: Don’t believe that by tomorrow morning it will become a mountain of solid gold!

Tom: (laughing) Ok.

Kris: Because you may wish till the cows come home, but you will still be wishing and there will be no milk.

Tom: Ok, so I need to even get away from my long-term goals and just look at my everyday life and what I’m creating tomorrow.

Kris: Indeed.

Tom: And small things…

Kris: And you may even make it so that your small term goals lead you to building up a better approach to your long-term goals.

Tom: Right and it also builds one’s confidence playing with things very, very simple…

Kris: Indeed and if you take the time to look back on your life, and notice what you have entertained in your mind, in your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, the imagery that you create, how you move into events and circumstances and conditions of life. You will see that the process is not unlike what you’ve already done. But you are becoming aware of it. That gives you a decided advantage. You go in being aware of what you are creating. Even to the point of looking back and understanding that all of the events: those that you consider good, and those that you may even consider negative – that you have chosen them for specific reasons.

Tom: Yes and I should see my beliefs as – not necessarily a bad thing in themselves. They are beliefs and they may be non-beneficial but I shouldn’t think of them as negative.

Kris: Indeed and they may have served very highly useful purpose at one time, but now you may have outgrown them. Just like the tuxedo you wore at your prom may no longer fit you, it served its purpose but now it is time to get a new tux.

Tom: Very good. This is helpful; I’m looking forward to applying this. Can I ask a question? Getting back to communications and the unconscious. We talked a little bit about the approach to the ego, the soft approach rather than the commanding approach… I have a lot of dreams and I also have visions that I see. I’ve noticed recently that I can see visions when my eyes are closed – not in a deep sleep but just awake with my eyes closed I will fall into a state where a vision will suddenly appear. I’d like that to happen more often and I’d like to be able to do that on demand to try to get answers to questions that I have – rather than just having dreams that occur – say in another week I’ll have a dream that is interesting or maybe two weeks later and it may or may not be pertinent to the question at hand. To perhaps have more control over that process. (Perhaps) like how Serge will go into his trance and you will come – you schedule it and just go and do it… and ask your question and get your answer from the unconscious.

Can you suggest an approach – how to approach the unconscious to get such results.

Kris: There are many, many different angles this can be viewed. Now the unconscious, as you understand it, is a bridge to other areas of consciousness, and of self. And it too is very vast. There is indeed your own personal unconscious that is directly linked to the ego that contains data, if you wish, of everything that you have experienced in this life, even from before birth, while in the womb for instance. This can be accessed at a layer of trance through hypnosis that is not necessarily very deep, but it is still not necessarily always held in the conscious mind. Do you follow?

Tom: Yes.

Kris: From there, there are indeed many points of departure into self, into the greater construction of your personality and essence and beyond. And it is possible to again utilize autosuggestion, program perceptions to receive information concerning issues and questions that you have about life. They may come in many different forms. You might receive strong impulses to do certain things. Perhaps that you do not consciously know what the outcome will be, but that may prove very useful in themselves.

You may also perceive imagery, intuitive flashes that may also contain deep emotional content, strong feelings towards one thing or another. There may also be dreams that will come, some may be more clear; some perhaps appear more cryptic only because you have not yet learned to decipher the code so to speak.

Tom: Ok. I see.

Kris: And there may be other varieties. Some people also experience strong physical sensations they eventually learn to interpret as intuitive signals. So there are varieties available to you like any good quality super market. And any combination of the above may also be useful for you. Leaving yourself as wide open as possible to all types of communications. And some situations may require that you receive it visually through the form of seeing imagery. Others may be so that communicating through deeply felt emotions or feeling tones is more appropriate for the situation.

Tom: Would that be a dream state as oppose to….

Kris: You may get both in either one. And there may be other times when you just know, you have a deep knowing, this is or that is what you need to do. So it may be any of these things.

Tom: Is it ok that I suggest (the method) or focus on the light meditative state with imagery as opposed to dreams and decoding the dream meaning? Dreams sometimes just don’t make sense, but it seems that the information that comes in a visual state – it’s like I ask a question and the answer comes typed out on a piece of paper where I merely need to read the answer. That has happened to me once and it just seems more concrete to me.

Kris: This is also a good approach; we are merely suggesting that you do not limit your approaches only to one method, but that instead you leave the door open for different approaches. So that if you do not pay attention to one you still get the message in the other way. But you will notice that you have preferred methods that work best for you that may not work best for another. While something that works very well for another may not necessarily be your cup of intuitive tea.

So play with the concepts. Have fun at finding out which one is appropriate for you, or which different communications work best in combination to your advantage.

Tom: Ok. I’ll work on that and (also) trying to figure out the dream symbolism and get meaning out of each seemingly meaningless dream that I have.

Kris: Indeed. Some dreams may at times not appear to make any sense until weeks or months or even years later. You might experience some form of potential foreknowledge, portions of which actually manifest months or even years later whilst other parts do not seem to apply any more because you change and grow in perspective as well.

You have noticed that there are many means of communicating with you at the physical level. People can look at you and wave, people can telephone you, people can send you emails, people can send you newspapers, pictures, they may tap you on the shoulder, or punch your lights out. These are all different ways of someone getting your attention. You may choose that only those that may punch your lights out are the most effective communicators, but it might not be in your own healthiest best interest.

Tom: I see.

Kris: So it is a matter of finding out what works for you, and what may potentially work but may be worked on later. And the idea is to have fun. … Please continue.

Tom: Getting into energy. You mentioned a while back, I think it was a tenth family that brought about stability. And there was talk that it may or may not become part of our creation. I believe there was a comment “there is some fine print in the contract”. Although it will not manifest in the reality that we have – I’m getting the impression that there is a source of stability still available from that tenth family to those that seek it out?

Kris: Indeed.

Tom: Could you comment on that?

Kris: Indeed. You could say that it functions in the background providing supportive energy; it does not necessarily supersede any of the nine families of consciousness, but acts as a support. And many people have felt drawn to this combination of energy in a manner that they felt comfortable with.

The Dulvar is a very vast concept, again not meant to replace or superimpose any established properties, but merely to provide as assistance during periods of powerful transition, such as occurs every few thousand years. It comes and goes. This also – we do not want to say implies – but there is another kind of exchange from this cluster which we will call the Taaj, which contains the expressions of the energies of those nine families of consciousness, that can be projected into other clusters when that energy or those energies are going through transitions as well.

It is an open ended two way street. Other systems might indeed benefit greatly from the accumulated knowledge and information and energies within this cluster that might be helpful to others. Much in the same way that the multidimensional self has many different aspects that you may call reincarnational lives, other focuses, that can also provide support and energy to other parts of the structure when it is needed, and vice versa. So it is not a closed system.

Tom: So getting back to the beliefs. If your working with conflicting beliefs, the energy that comes in from these other systems may not show itself because of the conflicting beliefs, they become more available as they’re needed and as (one) works with their belief system?

Kris: And it might or perhaps – strictly in the background. Much like some software enhances the operation of the system, but strictly in the background.

Tom: So no need to focus on it?

Kris: Not specifically. But it is possible to benefit as well by exploring that potential.

Tom: Like tuning into the energy?

Kris: Indeed.

Tom: I was wondering if you could comment on the energy I feel during a session – especially my first session with you. It was a very energetic feeling, and Joseph (mentioned) had an energetic feeling when he was in his trance. I felt very bubbly afterwards, could close my eyes and see colors, a very electrifying feeling. Could you comment on that energy?

Kris: When many people including yourself have an exchange with us there are many things going on at the subjective level, the behind the scenes level that completely bypasses the senses and many of the defenses that are normally active. This energy exchange occurs more strongly in some than in others. You noticed yourself the interaction at that layer. This usually is an exchange between what can only be called your own essence and our own energies.

Tom: Oh, Ok.

Kris: Thus, Desiré made its own energies or presents felt in ways you would not necessarily have noticed.

Tom: I see. It was an amazing feeling.

Kris: Indeed, and communication of sorts to you.

Tom: Very interesting, thank you. I believe our time is up?

Kris: Very nearly, but feel free to ask if you have more.

Tom: To stay on the idea of the energy here. In order for me to continue to experience that type of energy on a regular basis – Would you suggest using Desiré as a mantra, or is there anything else you would suggest?

Kris: You may indeed utilize it in the same way that mantras are used, to tune in to, if you will, the vibration, the tone of that essence. We would however suggest to not make it a regimented effort to try and tune into it, in such a manner on a perpetual basis. Allow yourself some freedom to also explore your fleshiness, your physical human life, and enjoy that as well. Revel in the fibers of your being as easily as you would revel into the energy of your own essence. You are after all focused in a physical direction.

Tom: Ah, so it’s not … meant to be … constantly overlapped, interacting at the same time…

Kris: Correct. Imagine eating butterscotch pudding three times a day for a whole week.

Tom: Yes, I can see that wouldn’t be too much fun.

Kris: The first few times, it certainly titillates the taste buds, but very quickly one boars of it.

Tom: Ok.

Kris: Now then, we will return Joseph to you. We thank you for a lovely discussion, and may your lovely self enjoy the sunshine, the waves, the beaches, and the sky. They too are expressions of your own being. And we thank you for your consideration.

Tom: Thank you Kris.

(End of session)

Transition is a Process

January 15, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 15, 2006

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene), John (Sohars)

[MARK'S NOTES: The ‘pre-talk or discussion prior to Kris' arrival centered around changing beliefs. John mentioned for instance, that he has trouble changing beliefs of aging to those of having the ability to have a vibrant, healthy and robust body in his golden and winter years.

Myrna and John started to bait Kris into a conversation, knowing full well that Kris eaves drops on the conversation before making his entry.

Myrna comments on asking Kris to speak about "Allowing". She mentions becoming aware of her limiting beliefs regarding abundance and how it might wreck her spiritual well being.

Mark (me) comments on how we all have beliefs about how these things will actually come to be. Money does not just show up in your bank account overnight just because you wished for it.]

(Session begins at 7:41 PM)

MYRNA: (Laughing) Welcome!

KRIS: As you can see, we do not take to baiting!

(Hearty group laughter)

But far be it from us to disappoint your baiting. Now, your discussion on belief structures is not only timely, but very worthwhile. It is rather difficult — perhaps even in the extreme — for you to even conceive of the idea of sitting at your kitchen table and drawing up a shopping list of beliefs in a consciously focused manner, as if you were shopping through a Sears catalog. Beliefs are not necessarily mail-order. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now, it is a very gray area and like what you have expressed, many people are of the opinion it should be a very clear, no-nonsense, rational and quite logical process. You pick out those beliefs you do not want and you replace them with some carefully — or sometimes hastily chosen –replacements and the deed should be done, like filling your cupboard at the supermarket. Unfortunately, such approaches are want to bring about a series of disappointments, frustrations and outright failure, as has been the experience of many people in this specific way. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Does that not also describe many of your own experiences?

MYRNA: Yes it does.

KRIS: Now there are various other means through which this subject matter can be explored, and significant changes of direction can be explored, but it is a PROCESS — as you pointed out — it is a process of unfolding. Very quickly now, the traditional idea of picking out some flavorful belief, as if you were at Baskin-Robbins, picking out a flavor of ice cream, does not bring much satisfaction. The ice cream may, but the beliefs won’t.

(Laughter)

Many people have attempted to pick out some beliefs, concentrate upon them, insert them into the programming of their own minds, and fully expect that, within a certain amount of time reality will start reflecting their new-found beliefs.

And they wait and they wait AND THEY WAIT! But this one does not deliver! The baby won’t come out this time, and the reason is that — as we have said for many more years than you have heard us – and as we have said many other times — your beliefs are generated and engaged by the whole self. Not only by your present conscious focus. If, for instance, as a child you experienced traumatic nightmares, you may there and then have concluded that sleeping brings on dreams; dreams are horrifying, traumatizing nightly adventures therefore no more dreams.

MYRNA: No more sleep.

KRIS: You may still sleep, but you may completely block out any dream adventures, even though they will still occur, you will not allow them to be perceived by yourself, your conscious self. Later on in life, as you grow up, you may forget about having made an apparently childish observation and decision. Later on in life, as an adult, you may not recognize that you have continued to develop a variety of opinions all upon a negative slant concerning dreams, dream studies, and anything related to the subject matter.

And when you yourself still manage to recognize that a few dreams have pierced your carefully constructed brick wall, you become even more traumatized, and you do not understand what is occurring because you have forgotten your decision that all dreams must be banned from your conscious awareness because they are likely horrific. And any snippets of dreams that come up into your awareness kick-start your shields, your defenses rise up, perhaps even in spite of your efforts to understand what is happening as if you are now on autopilot, on the defensive. You may even consult with therapists, only to find out they will ask you about your dreams! You may even request prescription medication, fearing that you are approaching a breakdown of sorts, and so on and so forth. You get the picture. Now, how would you understand this type of scenario? You obviously cannot start to say, “Today I will remember my dreams.” Correct?

(Yes)

That would occasion inner subjective and objective conflicts. You might then experience further frustration, but with the auspices of something as innocuous as auto-suggestion, you may coax your memories to bring about the collection of what you engaged at another time, perhaps in your youth, the type of process that brought a complete shutdown in that regard. Does that make some sense?

(Yes)

That is part of a process. Another approach may very well be that you allow your own memories to lead you to significant steps you have taken over the years to suppress dream events and memories, which would be applying a different set of approaches to belief work, until you can recognize the general vicinity of when and where you took such drastic actions and conclusions that started shutting down the dreaming process from being remembered by you. Does that still make sense?

(Yes)

Now, eventually you may indeed become aware of the time and the circumstances upon which you accepted specific sets of thoughts and observations in such a concrete manner. The idea being that you can enable some opportunities for that inner child, that youthful aspect of yourself, to understand his or her dreams from a different perspective or vantage point, in such a way that the inner child — we are using your common vernacular — the inner child can release the fears that he or she has held all this time to keep at bay what was presumed to be a threat from within.

And to work in tandem, hand in hand with you to LIFT this restriction, so that the whole self can return to a state of nurturing. Now there are many other variations here. It may very well be that as a youth or even a child, you intuited communications from your adult self that would have made it this kind of a challenge, thus set up some conditions into your own so-called past, where the seeds of the challenge are sown.

You would have done so for a variety of reasons that may indeed have made sense only to you personally. It is quite likely that as an even more mature individual you became involved in a study, a research into the reasons why people set up inner defenses against their own dream-states and dream adventures.

And you can then bank upon your own personal experiences from having undergone such a process yourself, and can then report firsthand upon that very human experience, giving it authenticity and validity and even urging others to review their perspectives by reading your study, if such were the case. So this is one supposition. The beliefs instilled in the child do have repercussions and echoes far along the line of time, as do the beliefs of the mature adult.

All the various aspects of your own personality which by the way is not a solid state product, but is also a process in stages of unfolding, of development and so many different aspects of your own personality have their own valid perspectives and may even engage their own belief structures. The personality itself is an umbrella structure, a psychological umbrella structure that brings together these various aspects.

In the average individual this umbrella structure is at times rather highly polished and the various aspects only function in the background. But it is worth exploring the inner personality structure and the discovery of what parts of you hold and engage certain beliefs; some which you yourself may not necessarily recognize or even completely agree with but that may still play a role in your own value creations. How many times have you been of even more than one mind upon a particular issue?

JOHN: (Laughs) Always!

KRIS: Almost to the point of being conflicted. Yes or no. Perhaps. Maybe. What if? What not, and so on. You may very well at that moment — if you care to pay attention to that moment — suddenly recognize the intuitive approaches of several of your own aspects — different departments, if you wish — of your own personality structure, for that is what it is, a structure. We have used this analogy in a similar manner though slightly different, but this also is suitable: Think of the government. The government has many different ministries, and each ministry may have many different departments. And your own personality structure is not very different from that kind of structuring, as your governments reflect the varied personality structures of its citizenry. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Thus your psyche itself is a complex array of living dynamic forces; each one packing the dynamo of energy, each one often working in cooperation with the entirety of the self, at least as far as your own psyche is concerned. Other aspects of your personality may have different perspectives in the sense that they occur in different historical, geographical timeframes. You may understand them as other focus personalities, reincarnational lives and so on and so forth. They are still part of your psyche. They are simply engaged in different kinds of psychological environments that you translate into physical reality of a different time and geography. Does that also make sense to you?

(Yes)

Your own lives at all levels are allegory for those belief structures that you hold and engage. The actions of your day to day circumstances are beautifully dramatized demonstrations of your beliefs in action, as beautifully played out as any version of Swan Lake or Romeo and Juliet. So the notion of beliefs is not something that you can very quickly examine in under two minutes. But regardless of whether you believe in beliefs or not, you still engage them. Use and make use of them. Believing in beliefs, or not believing in beliefs, is NOT the issue, though it may be the question.

(Silence)

We were making a play on Macbeth!

MYRNA: Got it. (Laughs)

KRIS: Now, does this clarify or further confuse the issue?

MARK: It clarifies for me.

JOHN: It clarifies, but it does bring up a couple of questions, if I may.

KRIS: That is its purpose. Please feel free.

JOHN: The way you’re describing…let’s think about the child who had a nightmare and who decided that dreams are dangerous and let’s not have any more of those dreams. So…this ends up being a belief. What I’m intrigued by is the idea that that belief comes from his or her actual experience –

KRIS: Indeed!

JOHN: — and their reaction to that experience.

KRIS: And this is specifically what we hoped you would gather from our own Shakespearian monologue. The idea is that beliefs, regardless of your views of them, are nothing more than sets of thoughts towards which you have assigned extraordinary energies.

JOHN: Right, so that means…let’s think about today instead of a child…oh, first a quick question there: is the only way the adult of that child can access their dreams by going back and Triple ‘A ‘- ing that issue…in other words, what I’m saying is…there’s karma…that series of actions, turned into a belief colors everything up until it’s balanced –

KRIS: That is the nature of beliefs. Now there may be other ways to approach this. Within our humble opinion, it is a more direct issue, to the heart of the issue. You can, for instance, spend twenty years on the shrink’s couch and TRY to understand where all of this comes from as you get poorer, and him richer! And such therapists would, by the very nature of such therapies, keep you in that loophole. However, what we have described very briefly may take far less time, cost you far less, and bring about a more impactful result.

JOHN: The next question I had was — let’s think about an alternative to addressing the child within. Let’s say this same adult who set aside dreaming as a child for those reasons comes across some teachings that say, “You know what? Your dreaming state and your waking state are just variations of the same consciousness state, and if you examine it very carefully as a practice, your waking state as it shades into daydreams, as it shades into dreaminess, and so become familiar with that, then this will slowly dissolve that barrier, but from a different angle.”

KRIS: This may indeed take more time.

JOHN: Ah! Not as efficient.

KRIS: Because if the source of the original belief has not been freed, so to speak, it will still have its influence, causing conflict. You cannot for instance run two different operating systems simultaneously with one piece of software.

JOHN: Right, I understand that, because you’d still have conflicts. Turbulence is what it’s called.

KRIS: Indeed, you are simultaneously pushing and opening a door.

JOHN: So let’s take for example the case of me here now, wanting to have a free and easy communication with myself as Essence. What I’ve learned is that I need to delve into my personality structures and begin to understand where it is, and when and how, I’ve erected barriers to that as opposed to embarking on a pro-active process of embracing the Essence within and trying to bridge the gap.

KRIS: Indeed, because if you intend to simply embrace the notion whilst in the background, you have psychological software running AGAINST such attempts, you will experience frustration and conflict because you cannot ignore the status of any of your aspects.

JOHN: Right, as actually Myrna and I were talking this week and I gave her the example of the environmentalists, who talk about how you can’t throw anything away, because there is no “away” — the planet is a single thing, and I get the feeling that it’s the same with ourselves — we can’t take an aspect of ourselves and say, “That’s it, I never want to deal with that again,” because there’s no “away” — you can’t throw it away.

KRIS: You may focus elsewhere but the significance of selfhood is always Self.

JOHN: Okay, that’s very helpful.

MYRNA: I’d like to expand on this focus elsewhere.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: We’ve had a conversation where….uh…and it will help me to understand more particularly the three A’s. I get acknowledge, and I get Address, but I’m not sure I’m clear about Accept. What I have thought at one point was I can Acknowledge and Address the fact that — I’ll go back to an easier one for me, and that is — that somehow wealth is going to throw me off of my spiritual moorings. I get it, I Acknowledge it, I Address it. I had thought the Accepting was I get where that served me — as a child and later on — and now I choose to focus elsewhere.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Is that enough? In the Accepting part, Kris?

KRIS: To a certain degree. Now you have become aware that there is an apparent discrepancy between the second and the third stage.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Between Addressing and Accepting, between the time you leave the shores of one continent of beliefs and the time it takes to reach the shores of a new continent of beliefs. And along the way as you have so cleverly pointed out, you may discover land masses that were never charted before — undiscovered countries that may themselves be entire continents. Do you follow so far?

MYRNA: Uh, yes, but –

KRIS: Now this means that, all analogies aside, if you honor the apparent gap between one state and anoth you can let go of your own inner burdens.” Such is the anticipated joy and freedom of simply being. Period. So that creates bridges. Transitory support. Though sometimes some people might also need suppository supports! (Group laughter) But you understand that there is then this space between Accepting and the manifestation.

MYRNA: Yes. That’s where the space has been for me, yes.

KRIS: Indeed, and it can appear very much like limbo.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: But you have recognized it. And we believe it is significant, both for yourself and for others who will be reading this.

MYRNA: That limbo…that limbo is — John you were talking about this — that limbo is the Bardo, is the tough place.

KRIS: It is only tough because YOU have been tough on yourselves. You wanted quick, easy (snapping his fingers), over-the-counter fixes.

MARK: Your point? (Group laughter)

KRIS: And, as a result, you have often been disappointed, especially when there are times when you are made to be at fault, because material is missing. Do you understand?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Or you are made to be convinced — with your own agreement towards that — that all you need is a little bit of razzle-dazzle and simple New Age incantations. The transition is a process. No matter how much, as a child, you stamped your feet on the floor and held your breath until you turned blue, you could not become older in any other way than simply growing into older. Do you understand? How many times did you want to be older so you could stay up later at night as a child? And no matter what you did, you had to wait until you were considered old enough by your parents. No magic would work.

MYRNA: So in the moments of despair….you know a lot of the time I have a lot of faith in this transition and there are times when I just throw my arms up and ask, “Am I on the wrong path, here?” In those moments of lack of faith….in myself actually…..I think I just answered my question.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you see it is not specifically that you lacked faith in yourself. You needed to come to this understanding. Now it must be understood it is not our intention to withhold information. It is never our intention to not provide ALL of the information, but it is our intention to never spoon-feed anyone. As much as you ALL make Joseph and ourselves WORK, we ask as much of yourselves. We have never desired gullible nitwits, which require hourly spoon-feeding and instant cosmic answers and solutions to all of their struggles, where they feel they do not have to do the necessary work, they simply ask the questions and voila, the keys to universal and cosmic wisdom is handed to them! How cheapened has human life become!

JOHN: (Humorously:) Can we just try that and see how cheap it is?

(Group laughter)

MARK: Not to mention the diaper changing!

MYRNA: Well, in defense of psychotherapy — having done close to 25 years of it — I could only be here now much more cognizant of my beliefs….I’m here now, cognizant of those beliefs, because of the care, if nothing else, the care and the focus on me that those therapists provided, a safe harbor where I could explore taboo relationships, where I could explore my relationship with my parents, for example, which had been taboo up until entering therapy, so they provided an enormous service.

KRIS: Indeed, and they do. We trust that you understood we were being facetious.

MYRNA: Okay.

KRIS: We are well aware of wonderful individuals who provide the necessary safe harbor where their patients may indeed explore their own selves in a completely safe manner, just as we are very well aware of those who would perpetuate the victimization of the clients. We understand both sides of the coin. We understand the depths that exist between all types of individuals. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:33.

KRIS: Then may we suggest that you have a therapeutic break.

(Break begins at 8:33 PM.)

JOHN: Well that was pretty fun. I think it’s very useful to talk about the Triple ‘A’, you know? I made a little drawing here, which was kind of fun. This is what I was getting: You Triple ‘A’ something, right? And as you’re doing that, something comes up that wasn’t there before, and so you Triple ‘A’ that, and then as you’re doing that, something comes up and you Triple ‘A’ that…so you’re always….you’re going — not round and round, but you’re spiraling in like that.

MARK: So often we want to change a belief, or we believe we want to change a single belief. It’s not A SINGLE belief…it might be a single belief STRUCTURE, but it is so much more intertwined throughout our entire lives that it IS a process. It’s not….oh! 8:35. Short break.

(Kris returns)

MYRNA: So much for THERAPEUTIC break rests!

KRIS: Small therapy! (Group laughter) Now, this is also a very important point: you do not choose those ideas that you then label, catalogue and store as beliefs haphazardly. This implies then that at any given stage of your life you are intuitively — albeit perhaps subjectively or unconsciously, but still intuitively — aware of the entire spectrum of the personality structure within which you function.

Even that child has an intuitive knowledge of the fully developed and very mature adult and the manner in which it evolves within its personality structuring. So those beliefs are instilled, they are subscribed to, with that intuited storehouse of awareness. And they may carry usefulness at all stages of growth. Even beliefs pertinent to the child may still have echoes in the adult in a manner that may be a part of the adult’s own values until such a time as those beliefs, those ideas, are recognized — if you so choose, those PREFERENCES — are recognized as no longer being suitable to the overall personality structure.

But as beliefs are initially chosen, accepted and subscribed to with some cognizance — or even meta-cognizance — of the entire structure, so can you request of the inner self in whatever means necessary, a CERTAIN cognizance of the impact of disabling certain preferences or beliefs and replacing them with different ones.

MYRNA: Displacing….disabling…except I think at some point prior to tonight you suggested that those beliefs never disappear…we disable them, though. Is that correct?

KRIS: In function of YOUR own focusing. The programming cannot be wiped out, but its effect upon you can be lessened, minimized, or even dissipated. Just as the movie you saw 25 years ago is still part of your own psychological makeup somewhere, but it may no longer have any hold upon you. You may no longer care of the relationship between Benny and June, though you saw the movie and at that time it may have had an impact. Do you follow?

MYRNA: I like the idea of calling on my whole self, my whole psychological structure — my Essence — to help me disable.

KRIS: Disabling simply means that its impact is no longer reacted to by you. You have then, effectively replaced those beliefs with different ones. Just as you cannot change an apple into a star fruit, even though both are fruits, they are different, but you can replace the apple with the star fruit. The apple stays where it is, is no longer part of your mythology, as a focus or individual, but the star fruit becomes part of your mythology. Does that make some sense?

MYRNA: Yeah it does.

KRIS: This means then that the idea of willingly choosing a belief you will get rid of is going to be far more horrific than you think, because it cannot be. And simply choosing some belief or another willingly that you will now instill in your consciousness may also represent some difficulties, just as you cannot believe that tomorrow you will be a millionaire when 99% of the rest of yourself SCREAMS that this ain’t gonna happen!! You would have to then convince that other 99% of the self to come over to YOUR side.

MYRNA: Which is possible.

KRIS: In theory, but in practicality far more difficult. It is not a matter of clicking your heels three times and you wake up in Oz. But it could be fun trying.

MYRNA: I understand. Well that journey from one continent to another is probably the same type of gap as an empty bank account to being a millionaire. I mean, it is a journey, right?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: It is a journey, and I guess that shore that I’m seeking needs to be a logical step, right? I mean it needs to be logical.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: But I suppose in some way it’s really no different than the zero bank account to a millionaire.

KRIS: But in between zero and then a string of zeros with a one in front represents different realities that are the reflection each of the beliefs you focus upon.

MARK: You have to consider that you believe — you’ve have beliefs about HOW that can happen — it’s just not that I believe it WILL. What’s your banker going to believe when he sees it go from zero to a million? [Kris interrupts]

KRIS: Eh, the banker can think what he wants!

MARK: (Laughs) What’s the government going to think when they see it?

KRIS: These are irrelevant. What is important is what YOU think.

MYRNA: That’s right.

KRIS: If you start thinking that –

MARK: Well, what I’m saying is that those are MY beliefs. What IS my banker going to say? What IS my government going to say? That is preventing ME from manifesting a million dollars in my bank account tomorrow.

[MARK'S NOTES: In hind sight it would have been better wording on part "What do I believe my banker will say or do when a million dollars just shows up in my account?"]

KRIS: Indeed. You may, on the other hand, be the only one in the world who thinks and worries about what the banker and the government are going to say!

(Group laughter)

MARK: (Laughs) It was only an example!

KRIS: However, again, what YOU think is important.

MYRNA: What I’m aware of in that gap, Kris — whether it’s zero or a million or whatever it is — is I’m aware of my body can’t take it in fully. So there’s no tomorrow — I know I’m not ready to manifest anything, because my body gently needs to work with that Bardo with that gap.

KRIS: Now, you remember that there has been discussion that in between one continental shelf and another there may be other land masses, continents, islands and so on and so forth, correct? What if one of those — pursuing the analogy of having the bank account swell, put on some pounds, odd dollars — what if some of those small islands are representative of incidences, events, conditions, circumstances, that allow you to add an extra fifty dollars to the account? And you see a slightly larger land mass that may add a hundred dollars –

MYRNA: That makes a lot more sense to me.

MARK: That’s the point that I was trying to get across.

MYRNA: Yes. It’s gentle.

KRIS: Indeed, small, even incremental, progresses are often far more favorable than insisting that by 9:00 AM tomorrow morning there must be according to your belief, somehow or other, miraculously one million dollars pops into your account! Because it builds security. You may go from walking on eggshells to sand to grassy soil, eventually to cement. Hopefully the cement is dry! (Laughter) But you get the gist. There must be steps and progresses as a more efficient method. Now we are aware that some people would think that is taking too long. That is not our problem.

JOHN: We have all the time in the world.

KRIS: Your species has already used many millions of years and will continue to do so to keep manifesting the joys of reality creation. Now, continue your small therapy break.

(Break begins at 8:47 PM)

MARK: Again there, doing that I was reminded of the parable of the Man on the Mountain — Acknowledging, Addressing and Accepting — in the end, when he accepted the fact that he was sitting on a mountain of gold, he didn’t do it as if he had a choice to do nothing, he couldn’t go back and say, “It was me, I’ve been dealt a bad hand” because he now had a mountain of gold.

JOHN: He had to face the fact that there was a choice.

MARK: That’s right and the process was the stranger coming along and doing his tests on the soil, and so on.

JOHN: You know this has been quite illuminating about beliefs and how you move from one to the other. I still — remember me saying to Myrna, that I didn’t feel we could choose beliefs? — I am now back to a middle ground where I think we kind of choose beliefs, but we also just kind of have to sort of let them evolve.

MARK: We don’t choose them willy-nilly. We base them on events, circumstances, conditions and the existing beliefs — the other stuff going around.

JOHN: Right.

MYRNA: I — this concerns for me the process I’ve been using tonight. Choosing another belief however for me, like I said, it’s got to be gentle. There’s no way I can experience –

MARK: (Breaking in:) That’s you right there Acknowledging the process.

MYRNA: Yeah, exactly. It’s got to be gentle, because I notice my body will do this. (Myrna pretends to freeze up.]

MARK: The point I was trying to make about manifesting the money in the bank account is that you don’t even believe it can happen, let alone other people around you. I mean, we have beliefs about how other people will –

MYRNA: Oh sure, I understand that.

MARK: It’s like sure, all my friends and family know me as this and I manifest overnight a million dollars and they’ll say, “What? Did he rob a bank,” and so on. You know? We’ve got all these other –

MYRNA: I don’t carry those [beliefs], but I understand that.

MARK: We know how reality works and that people just don’t believe things come from out of nowhere.

MYRNA: That never comes up for me — that belief.

MARK: You have a process to get the money — processes to acquire it.

MYRNA: Interesting! Interesting. If we go with law of attraction, right? Manifestation. What I am beginning to realize is that I have manifested things that I think really startle my family, and because I’ve been talking about the law of attraction and all of this stuff, they’ve stopped querying (laughs) where this is coming from. They’ve stopped querying! Doesn’t matter now, doesn’t matter, because I know –

MARK: But you didn’t pull anything out of a hat, completely out of thin air.

MYRNA: Oh yes, actually I did. This Afghanistan thing, I absolutely pulled that out of a hat. I one day said I want to build schools for girls in Afghanistan.

MARK: Right and how did you do it? You did it through a process.

MYRNA: Well, I put that out — I put it in my journal, I wrote about it, I prayed on the medicine wheel — and one day I went to the hairdresser and I happened to mention it. She said, “I’ve got to introduce you to an Afghan family whose grandfather set up schools for girls in Afghanistan –

MARK: There you have a process.

MYRNA: What is the process? The process was praying on it, and –

MARK: And you went to the hairdresser, the hairdresser told you about this other person, and this other person is a contact, there’s a school there and — (snaps his fingers) There’s a school there!

MYRNA: So shortly afterwards I’m at the world bank in Washington and I turn around after making a phone call and there’s this huge picture of a woman and she’s shown teaching girls in Afghanistan. Where’d that come from? I didn’t put it on the wall! I didn’t work that!

MARK: Well, you did. That is your manifestation, I agree, but –

MYRNA: I didn’t work that. Well, I did energetically –

MARK: Subjectively. I agree, I do agree that subjectively we do, but in the physical world we don’t just go “Okay!” and (snaps fingers) there it is. Like, “I need a recorder!” and there it is. People would look at me like “Did he steal that recorder from somewhere?” You know? I’m saying you do it through a process. Everything we get through a process. Okay, I need a house. Well, in order for me to get a house, I need you to build one, or pay for it, or someone sells me one, or something.

MYRNA: Okay, according to Abraham –

MARK: I mean, I’ll attract it if I WANT a house –

MYRNA: I put up the rocket of desire. It then goes over to the universe on how it’s delivered. I have no idea on how it’s going to be delivered.

MARK: I agree, and it will be very miraculous in how it [manifests], obviously, but it still comes through IN A PROCESS.

JOHN: In fact, here’s what I find interesting, is that when you look at how it actually happens, very often the thing that was a miracle a week ago when you imagined it — when it actually happens, it turns out to be the most logical, obvious — I mean, it HAD to happen that way! On the other side of it you say, “Oh, of course!”

SERGE: Using the idea of a house again — I don’t think that anybody’s ever gone to sleep under the stars and the next morning they wake up and overnight a house just grew up around them, but they might have inherited it, or –

MARK: There’s a whole slew of [ways of] HOW it can get to you -

[MARK'S NOTES: I have to thank Serge for his comment because up until this point Myrna did not realize what it was that I was trying to say.]

(Everyone is talking at once.)

SERGE: — the avenues of physical creation in that way — I mean there are…I know of instances where people have…I don’t know if I want to say manifested things about them, but nothing on the scale that would rock the foundations of the whole reality. Little things, for instance, last year I did this on a couple of occasions. I’m broke, I need some money. What’ll I do? And one time Mark and I were walking up Bay St., dead of winter, we were broke, I happened to look on the ground and — a fifty dollar bill!

JOHN: Ha ha! Good for you! Well, I told you about the time that I was broke, didn’t have money for cigarettes, said “Oh, never mind, I’m gonna have the Sisters take care of it,” and my landlord shoves a check from the government under the door! So…but at the same time you go out and you ask him, “Oh, how did that happen?” [and he says] “Oh, the mail came yesterday and this was for you, and I forgot, and now I’m giving it to you.” (Laughs) It all makes sense!

u: It’s still miraculous in its way.

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: I remember another incidence — now this is a long time ago — maybe over 20 years ago, I had taken a course through the Toronto School of Business, or something like that, and there was still something like $1200 left on the payments for it. And I was going to visit my friend Ernie who lived on the west side of Ottawa. He lived downtown, and in the elevator — you know the little brown envelopes you used to put bills in? Anyway, I’m in the elevator, I happened to look on the floor, and there’s one of those envelopes there. I was going to kick it down the elevator chute, but luckily I didn’t. (Laughs) You won’t believe what was in there!

JOHN: Twelve hundred dollars.

SERGE: Nope, two one thousand dollar bills. There was no name, there was nothing on them. I brought them to the office of the building and thirty days later, nobody collected them so I got it and paid off the loan. I got a bike and a few things [in addition].

JOHN: Oh, yes!!

SERGE: So there have been very interesting things like that; when you look at it, okay, fine — somebody must have dropped it or whatever, but that’s irrelevant –

JOHN: It is irrelevant….unless the government…or the post office hears about it, but — who cares!

SERGE: (Chuckling)

JOHN: But isn’t it an interesting thing to think about the person who went home…in a way, it’s just as miraculous.

SERGE: That they lost it — they may have had a completely different set of purposes for that to happen, but that’s part of their own belief structures and intents and whatever.

JOHN: That was, in a sense, a small enough incident, right – ? – That it may have been that the genies of the Universe said, “You know what? We don’t really need the other person here, let’s just have the envelope here –

MARK: Yeah, I was just about to say that — that from his perspective somebody lost it, from the Universe’s perspective, nobody’s out there suffering and didn’t lose it at all — it’s just there, we slipped it on the floor.

MYRNA: (Laughing) I like that!

MARK: It unfolded into a scenario that’s realistic.

JOHN: Yeah, I think…as long as…I think you can break the rules of this dimension as long as we do it (whispering) on the QT.

(8:59 Kris returns)

KRIS: Now thus far the discussion has evolved around belief structures that you entertain, play with, assign structure, validity and authority to. You should also keep in mind that there are also those beliefs that belong to the collective of humankind, which in many respects also play a part in what you call the laws of physics in your reality. For instance, you will not for some time see pigs fly. You may see them glow in the dark!

[MARK'S NOTES: This joke is based upon a news story where scientists in Taiwan have bred three pigs that glow in the dark and other researches have created some pigs that are partially fluorescent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4605202.stm ]

(Group laughter)

JOHN: (Laughs) Did you hear about that?

KRIS: You have played with the rearranging of some of those beliefs in certain areas. For instance, it is very difficult for a human being to sprout wings and fly, but it is not impossible for a human being to fly with the assistance of a plane. So you have given some leeway to altering the collective belief blueprints.

It used to be that the laws of physics as you know them today in another era — that you would logically consider the past — the laws of physics were somewhat different. You have for instance, as a species, lost the knowledge of making vehicles fly with little more than mixtures of basic elements, including mercury. You have also lost that knowledge to enable vehicles to fly with crystals, because your collective belief structure is part of a collective process that moves in one direction, but all the while stretches its boundaries, stretching the understanding of its own fluidity in terms of beliefs.

You are not yet capable of regenerating limbs, but you have now as a species discovered animals that may regenerate their tails, and in the processes of studying the nerve structures in those animals you have come across the idea that those basic laws that say that you cannot regenerate limbs may not be as concrete as you thought. Slowly, you are experimenting with changing some of those beliefs, but this will also take time.

You are therefore always experimenting with beliefs, both at the individual and at the collective level. There may come a time indeed when you will no longer need airplanes to travel. We did not say to FLY, we said to TRAVEL.

MARK: (Laughing) Beam me up, Scottie!

KRIS: There are all sorts of potentials that are in the offing. Some may develop, some may not. Some may never develop, but at least you are playing with possibilities. Even as children, you might have been hard-pressed to imagine what your lives as adults would be, and yet lo and behold, you are adults, hard-pressed to understand how you got there from childhood.

And, at some point, you may gradually reflect more and more upon that childhood as you grow older and mature and re-develop your sense of being again. You often refer to it as your second childhood, as you advance in age. To some, it may sound like a small death blow, but indeed you utilize such times to re-construct different possibilities of being from the way YOU originally experienced it into possibilities and probabilities that project into your own future expressions. Do you have any other questions?

JOHN: I had a question that goes into a different topic. Is that uh –

KRIS: Do you BELIEVE that this can be done?

JOHN: Oh well, in that sense then we’re on the same topic! (Laughs)

KRIS: Indeed then.

JOHN: This is about…when we speak of this physical dimension. I’m wondering, does that really mean the planet Earth?

KRIS: Indeed not. In many respects the physical dimension is a state of perception. It may or may not include the Earth as you know it. It may or may not include the solar system, other solar systems, the galaxy, and so on and so forth.

JOHN: Right. Now, just to clarify, remember that evening when you startled us all by saying that you are working — uh — that you’re currently having discourse with 16,318…uh, whatever [the number] was…and, for instance, on numerous occasions you said this particular physical dimension requires guts to engage and it has a certain, uh…genius about playing with civilizations — those kinds of comments about a particular dimension.

And the question I had was…from our perspective, the Earth is one tiny speck in this fantastically huge…and so those comments about the qualities of our physical dimension…are those about the Earth and the civilization we have here — however we want to amplify that multi-dimensionally — or is that about the entire like over in…

Is that…is that a question?

KRIS: It is if you believe it is. Now, when we refer as others have, to this physical dimension, the physical dimension itself is even greater and vaster and more complex than you think or even fathom. That being said, where IS the physical dimension? And where are all of its venues? What you refer to as the physical dimension is merely a point of reference for your — or at least some of your — experiences. To others, your dimension may not be referred to as a physical dimension, but merely another dimension. There are others, other dimensions, that consider THEIR experiences to be physical dimension and YOUR reality to be simply another dimension, not physical in their terms, but perhaps related to their own dream states. Do you follow so far?

MYRNA: (Giggling)

JOHN: I’m going to say yes. (Cracking up)

MARK: For me it’s like saying you can dream of a house, or you can dream of a place, and it seems very real, very physical, but where is it?

MYRNA: Yeah, we’re getting it, what he’s saying. Kind of. (Laughs)

KRIS: It is a complex and interesting dilemma. Exactly what is physical dimension? You may say, “Well, it is defined by the objects within it and everything PERTAINING to the experience of the physical senses.” This physical reality is an expression, an interpretation of energy through your physical senses. So it is no different from many other dimensions, but the emphasis that you collectively put upon it as an arena within which certain of your own experiences will be expressed ’til you make it your physical reality, your physical dimension. But it may have variations in many other places that are also considered physical reality but may indeed be completely different from yours. So it is not so clear cut.

JOHN: Yeah, nothing IS with you, really, is it? (Laughs)

KRIS: And that is how we like it!

JOHN: And just one more thing — if I may –

(Myrna is cracking up)

JOHN: Oh Myrna, get a grip!

MYRNA: I’m enjoying that!

JOHN: Now here is the question: when I’m talking to people — this is when it happens most often — from time to time, I will notice an upsurge within my breast of a kind of wild…joy…and pleasure. Now, this happens, as I said, most often when I’m in conversation with people, and so my reaction to that has usually been to kind of just…kind of shove it down…because I want to finish the sentence, right? But this thing that just kind of bubbles up…I’m wondering if this might be the original love that you’re talking about, bubbling to the surface, and maybe I shouldn’t be squelching it.

KRIS: What do you think you WOULD do with it?

JOHN: I don’t know! It’s not…an ordinary feeling, it’s a very strong feeling, and I think if I were to just let it come up, then I think I would weep…or…dance, or laugh, or sing a song or something…or start embracing people at random, I don’t know!

KRIS: Random acts of love are in many respects, very suspect. However, if you are with those who trust you and you trust them, then perhaps a little bit of experimentation might be warranted to see exactly what is occurring, what IS your energy doing, as you have questioned.

[MARK'S NOTES: What is your energy doing is a short story written by John.]

JOHN: Exactly.

KRIS: You might be very pleasantly surprised by the outcome, but you will never know unless you dip your toe in it.

JOHN: Well, that’s it. I think I’m going to dip my toe in it, yeah. Rather than suppressing it.

KRIS: And if there is no one present and you still recognize this energy, and then give it to yourself.

JOHN: Mmhm.

KRIS: (Pause) Now, perhaps for other notations, it would be of interest and perhaps to some degree of an embarrassment to Joseph simply because of his own nature, but, some dream states and information has been trickling into his consciousness and it pertains to at least two other focuses of the Essence Joseph, one which he himself met in 1979 in California, an elderly lady by the name of Agnes Sanford. The other, you could say is a joint venture, an enterprise — Essence Enterprises, Inc. (Laughter) — which focused and expressed as another individual approximately 700-odd years ago in Germany and you may understand why Joseph is still very attracted to this. The individual’s name is Hildegard von Bingen.

MARK: And the co-conspirator?

KRIS: Joseph and ourselves.

MARK: Ah, okay.

KRIS: That entity — Hildegard von Bingen — is in physical terms, a descendant of an individual who left ancient Israel, traveled up to Britannia — old England — and adopted the ways of the Druids, married in the Druid tradition, and begat offspring that eventually traveled and in the lines of progeny, gave physical birth to Hildegard, as we have described to others. Joseph is not necessarily keen on such information, but nonetheless, it is still an important presentation and may even assist in drawing from such personalities as the blueprints are still found within the Essence and their relevant energies. Now then, are there other questions?

(No)

Indeed then, we will leave you to ponder everything you can about yourselves and may they all bring forth joy.

(Session ends at 9:20 PM)

JOHN: That was a very enjoyable evening, I must say! I quite like the Toronto sessions. We get more air time!

MARK: Personally for me it’s the walks. I get ALL the air time!

(Laughter)

MYRNA: You choose not to ask any questions, don’t you?

MARK: A lot of times I refrain. I let the group have their air time.

JOHN: But I think you’ve mentioned that sometimes you’ll be thinking of something, and then somebody else will actually ask it.

MARK: Yeah, or Kris will just bring it through.

MARK: (To Serge:) What can you tell me about Agnes Sanford?

SERGE: She was born of American preacher parents, but in China, in 1900. She died in 1980. She was 80 years old. She was one of the very early women — uh, I don’t want to say evangelicals, because she wasn’t — but she did the laying on of hands and stuff like that.

MARK: A healer.

SERGE: Yeah, and doing that so early, in the ’40′s and ’50′s in America, she was often ridiculed and made the butt end of very sexist jokes, even by fellow preachers. I met her sometime around ’79 or ’80, and when I went there — I had to make pre-arrangements, of course, because she was retired and had to have 24-hour care.

She was senile and her caretaker was very cautious as to who she let into the house, she didn’t want anyone just to come in and pick her brains — well she didn’t have much left! — but after convincing, we were invited — I said I’d be with my friends, and I’ll be staying San Diego — and she lived in a district of L.A. called Monrovia which is at the base of the San Gabriel mountains. Nice house and you had to go up this walkway and by a Chinese olive tree, which is incredibly scented, like a gigantic jasmine, even nicer smelling. She had brought that back from China when she was a child. So we talked and toured, stuff like that, and we stayed for a nice bit of the afternoon, we had soup and toast, little snacks.

MARK: How did this come about, your meeting her?

SERGE: I wrote to her.

MARK: And how did you happen to know about her? Just her work and everything?

SERGE: Yeah, and I had recognized that I would be down there, less than an hour away [from where she lived] and what was interesting was that — you know she had been senile for a number of years — we already knew that, and I was sitting across the table from her, and she was telling us stories about growing up in China, and other things she did, and she told us a Chinese story about a butterfly. Three times! (Everyone chuckles) And we just smiled, you know.

She always had this glazed look in her eyes — she was elsewhere — and all of a sudden she’s like — it’s like she wakes up, she puts her spoon down and walks up, comes behind me, lays her hands on my head and it’s like lightening bolts – whoosh! — right through my body, for like a minute! And then she stops, goes back to her seat, and goes back to telling us again about –

JOHN: The butterfly! (Laughter)

MARK: (Humorously) I think I’ve heard that story now that you mention it.

SERGE: It was very, very strange.

MARK: Have you been dreaming about her lately?

SERGE: I don’t know.

MARK: Do you know why I’m asking you?

SERGE: No. Why?

MARK: She’s a focus of yours.

MYRNA: It just came, Kris just –

MARK: Kris mentioned that it’s been trickling into your consciousness lately. And also…(Teasingly) you have a famous focus! You have a famous focus!

MYRNA: (Laughing) You wanna hear?

MARK: It’s actually a co-creation between you and Kris — both of you created Hildegard.

SERGE: I have some CD’s of hers. Beautiful music. I did read a little bit about her life. One of the CD’s had a little booklet about her, an amazing person. The area of Germany she comes from is called Bingen, so “von” is Hildegard means from Bingen. She was an Abbess and so well-known that a lot of people sent their daughters with dowries and the local bishops would get jealous. She was an Abbess, and she had more money than the bishops, so they would find excuses to excommunicate her or –

JOHN: Well, of course, she would just pay them off — ?

SERGE: No. She was so wise, that kings, emperors, princes, all sorts of people would come to her for advice and counsel. She had three “Papal Bulls” against her, and the emperor or a king, or something would intercede and get the Pope to rescind. That’s how powerful she was, but she wasn’t powerful in power ways, she was humbly powerful. You know her music — she never studied a note of music — and yet she produced amazing stuff.

JOHN: What kind of music?

SERGE: It was almost like Gregorian, but it was pre-Gregorian, it was almost 700 years ago. But it’s usually all female voices and sometimes there are hundreds of them in a choir and some pieces apparently, that she wrote were so demanding that some would pass out singing. But for somebody who never studied a note of music, it’s angelic, it’s heavenly; if you listen to it — it’s beautiful stuff. She was not only a composer, she was a healer; in fact, apparently in parts of Europe, they’re re-discovering her herbal wisdom, which is teaching people how to work with herbs.

JOHN: Kris says the type of energies that she was working with are relevant to you now, so that’s why the information came through.

MARK: That’s the importance of you knowing this even though you despise knowing famous focuses. (Chuckling)

MYRNA: That’s something about Agnes being a healer, too.

MARK: It’s definitely a re-occurring theme. Definitely.

SERGE: Something that she didn’t go for was this television evangelisms. She wouldn’t have anything to do with it. Hildegard, too, was also a very, very powerful mystic. Great visions, although they were all cast in the Roman Catholic, Christian terms and imagery, but very powerful stuff, very intelligent woman. Very much of a feminist, too, she firmly believed that women had a right to whatever men had a right to; which got her into trouble too.

MYRNA: Interesting that they didn’t get rid of her, though.

SERGE: Yeah, apparently they couldn’t.

JOHN: Well, kids, thank you for a lovely evening again.

(End of recording)

The Year of Enlightenment by Compassion

January 8, 2006

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 08, 2006

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Myrna, John, Paul, Jo, Carol, Blaze, Robn, Jessica, Ellen, Brian, Cathy, Ella, Steven, Anya, Norm, Reta, Lisa and Tom

(For a detailed roll call please go to the end of the transcript.)

(Session begins at 7:43 PM)

KRIS: Now we extend a most sincere welcome in this first public session in the new year and may this be a year of fulfillment and joy to each of you and yours.

MYRNA: AMEN!

KRIS: As Janaki says, “A-Women, too.” (Laughter)

[ELLEN'S NOTE: During the pre-session chatting period while we waited for all the participants and Kris to arrive, I poked a bit of fun at Paul (Janaki) because he is always very careful to speak in terms of political correctness.]

Now last year proved to be a most interesting and challenging year for a great many people across the planet, beginning with the Tsunami in December of 2004 at Christmas followed by many other catastrophes around the planet. Not only was this a challenging year in plain human terms for survival, struggle, healing and recuperation, but it was also a challenging year in terms of PHILOSOPHY, in terms of INNATE COMPASSION, in trying to understand the EXTENT to which one can BE and EXPRESS compassion and [be] compassionate.

Many ideas abounded, many discussions were held in small and large groups, and many individuals around the globe felt to a certain extent the reach of powerlessness to one degree or another. Powerlessness in the sense that often there is a desire to help and assist through one means or another, but how effective is that help and where does that help go to? How CAN one help so many people in so many situations?

As a result of this and many discussions that have ensued on this topic, we have the intention of presenting a topic that in and of itself may present challenges both philosophical and in plain humanitarian terms, but then, if our presentations do NOT incite some kind of challenge, it would certainly not be US!

(Group laughter)

Not that anyone SHOULD feel challenged, but the opportunity presents itself to expand the boundaries and the limitations of understanding, especially in the field of compassion. So we wish to title this “The Year of Enlightenment by Compassion.”

And as we have suggested, this may prove to be a challenge in many areas, including philosophical discussions and debates. Since time immemorial, humanity has in many different fashions created various means through which the experiences of the Divine can be shared and understood at least to some degree. And there are various understandings of the word “Divine.”

There is of course the classic understanding of a supreme being, or even supreme beings, that have command of life, including yours; and bible’s dictates you must abide lest you suffer some kind of nasty repercussions as interpreted by the priests and priestesses of those divine beings; which of course ends up being an enormous egoic interpretation on the part of the human beings involved whilst they still try to convey that link with the divinity.

There is another kind of view upon the Divine: not as a being that exists outside of existence, that has its being outside the world of daily human affairs, but as a state — literally a plane of existence, a dimension of being — where the individual’s higher aspects, perhaps even more evolved aspects, can be experienced in some form or another, whether through ritual, contemplation, meditation, or many other means as humankind is very creative in that area.

We would make the latter interpretation of the divinity or the Divine our main focus and as we suggested moments ago, humankind has created numberless religions over many millions of years to try and understand that concept. And over the passage of time such concepts usually get lost within human interpretations — interpretations from the ego construction’s perspectives — and it ends up being often a battle of “Whose Divine Being is bigger and better and badder” and “Whose Divine Being can beat up someone else’s Divine Being.”

(Group chuckles)

When it reaches those states, then obviously the messages and the significances have become so distorted that collectively humankind starts the processes again to try and recapture its sense of Self at that level. So it is a concept, and even a deeply ingrained belief system that is integral to the experiences a human being takes as part of its journey — to try and experience its own divinity through various stages of separation.

And as time goes, again, various distortions come into play and you get as a result very Hollywood-like perspectives on your own higher aspects on the source of your own being outside the continuum of time and space — looking at the source from within the perspectives of time and space. So naturally there is an immediate, slight degree of distortion as soon as that perspective is entered into.

And it is certainly no easy task to wade through mountains, LITERAL MOUNTAINS, of prejudices, bigotries, belief systems and so on in cleaning your psychological house — the house of Self, the temple of Self — to once again re-kindle that relationship that you have as an Expression of Essence WITH that greater state of your being that IS Essence — not as a finished product — but as a developmental process in a constant state of evolution, always expanding in awareness.

And throughout most of humankind’s history and journey through time and space within the infrastructures of various belief systems and the many distortions that can be had and accumulated, the original information can easily be lost. As we suggested, every once in a while humankind subjectively and collectively tries to create conditions and circumstances whereby those veils can be parted and lifted so that once again you can be in touch with, in communion with, a greater source of your being, which in and of itself, includes the whole of humankind.

The search for that divine link is as much an individual, singular pursuit and exploration as it is a collective expansion of awareness. Looking back through time and through the various belief systems and religious bodies established, there is often a quality that sets the divine being — or its emissaries, its avatars — apart from others. And that is the quality of a deep state of COMPASSION. That compassion is demonstrated in various ways. It can be demonstrated through teachings and philosophies that seek to impart sufficient knowledge for the student, for the listener, for the individual, to come to his or her realizations in their own time, within their own intent.

There are also other kinds of compassions that are demonstrated and according to many sacred writings or scriptures or holy books, this compassion can also be demonstrated through acts of kindnesses, through acts of healing, through acts of mercy, whether common or uncommon, ordinary or extraordinary mercy. If you examine the lives of many of these beings that are often then catalogued as Divine Beings, many of them have performed so-called miracles — returning sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, life to the dead, and so on.

And as is often the status quo with human interpretations of such actions, there is always the idea that such events are obviously literal and physical, especially since they are given within the context of physical experiences. But it must be remembered that such writings are first, foremost and above all, allegorical, as are the lives of such Divine Beings, as are your own lives and the whole of reality an allegorical representation of YOUR OWN belief structures in all of their forms and variations.

Thus in sacred books when the blind are occasioned to see, the deaf are occasioned to hear, and the dead are occasioned to live, this is also allegorical; whereas the spiritually blind are given sight, the spiritually deaf are given hearing, the spiritually dead are given life. Such deep acts of compassion are literally the trademark of those beings who have attained a different state of perception and perspective on the living experience.

This state of compassion has often been lost within the structures of religious beliefs or even in the understandings often extrapolated from the words and the teachings of Essence, where there is often the idea that “Everything is for me, myself and I and the rest of the world can very likely go ‘F’ itself, because everything is about ME.” That is merely an extension of the egoic “me, myself and I” era often seen throughout your society and the true nature of compassion has then immediately been lost upon those who adhere to such interpretations.

We have discussed this on several occasions last year and most likely will continue to discuss this on other occasions this year, next year, and the years to follow until the humble echo of our own voice is reflected through the stars and the dust of space. Suffice it to say that it is possible to maintain a clear and integral sense of self whilst still demonstrating without intrusion — not that anyone should or even could — but that it is a possibility to attain such states. Such states are often referred to as Buddha-hood, Christ-hood, and many others.

And because many religious teachings especially in the western civilization forbid the exploration of OTHER groups’ religious beliefs, you have as a whole been made to starve, for instance, most of the average individuals in the Judeo-Christian belief systems are unaware that their religious beliefs are definitely not original and unique, but very well an amalgam of religious beliefs and teachings from other groups that predate their own.

The ancient teachings of Mithras and the Cult of the White Bull from the ancient Persian world and beyond it, the ancient cult of Krishna from India and beyond, the ancient cult of Dionysus in the ancient Greek world, the ancient cult of Isis, Osiris and Horus as a trilogy from ancient Egypt have so many similarities with the Judeo-Christian teachings that your own understanding could be GREATLY expanded upon by reviewing these ancient mythologies — including the mythology of the Christ — to find common threads and the realizations of enlightenment by and with compassion.

It would be to no one’s surprise that such states of being are indeed innate to your own very human nature and there is indeed a depth of richness and fulfillment that each of you can tap into, even by gradual increments, into such states of realization that your lives would be immensely enriched in such a manner that fulfillment would follow you like a puppy.

But herein is the crux: in that your modern philosophies and views of consumerism lead you to believe that ONLY financial abundance and riches can provide you with fulfillment. And this is where, as a whole, humankind has attempted a different adventure in consciousness, only to gradually realize that such is not the case; that many people with financial abundance are also unfulfilled and unhappy.

Now this is not to mean that you all have to pursue vows of poverty. On the contrary, far be it from anyone to even suggest such a notion and far be it from anyone to even suggest we are suggesting this. On the contrary! And we are also not out to make sects. That is not our purpose. Leave that to your religious organization. Our intent with this is simply to alert you to deep states of realization that well up from within you naturally, and that as often get repressed, pushed down and denied (forcefully and deliberately:) BECAUSE YOU FEAR THE SOURCE OF SUCH STATES!

And we would like to even EXCITE you into reaching for such states because it can bring you far greater fulfillment than merely filling up the bank account without diminishing your goals for even financial successes. Some of the information is so compressed that words may not sufficiently convey the information because after all, these are deep states of awareness and consciousness and not all such states can be made physically manifest or syntactically interpreted. Therefore there are occasions when sounds convey large amounts of condensed information to your consciousness in such a manner that, when you are ready, then indeed you may allow such states to naturally blossom within your own perspectives.

Some of you are familiar with our practices of chants, some are not. And hopefully, even though Joseph’s vocal cords are slightly irritated with the tail end of a cold, we already thank him for letting us use his poor vocal cords in this way. And as those of you who have heard these things before are familiar, the impact comes when we END the chant. You may perhaps even request this chant from Philip or Joseph or download it when it is attached to the transcript when this will be posted and use it at your own leisure.

Click here to listen to chant (MP3 only)

Now do forgive us if your poor eardrums were buffeted, but now we will offer a small break so you can have clever discussions!

MARK: Thank you.

(Break begins at 8:22.)

In Delaware we heard a severe fade-out of the held notes of Kris’ chant. Paul said there was some degrade on his end too, but offered that he believes different phones have different “cut off setters” and sometimes Kris’ chants come through unevenly through whatever speakerphone is being used.

PAUL: Did anyone get a really bright, energetic burst at the very beginning –? (Several people confirm) — imaged either as a sun, or a flower or an opening, or some sort of bursting?

ELLEN: (quietly:) Sexual. (Giggles from Brian and Cathy.)

[ELLEN'S NOTES: Back in June, Kris' Summer Solstice chant had affected me that way: hitting the lower chakra energy centers and this chant seemed to strike the same chord at the beginning, with a slight flutter in my uterus, but it faded out drastically on our end, leaving me with little impression that I could discern consciously. I was only half-joking with the "sexual" reference, remembering my response to the Solstice chant, and didn't think my comment was loud enough to be heard.]

PAUL: Sexual?

ELLEN: (Laughing sheepishly. I got “outed”!)

PAUL: It wasn’t my orange energy center, it was my green.

ELLEN: You had a heart opening?

PAUL: Very much! That was my –

ELLA: Does he do that [chanting] often? That’s the first one I ever heard.

PAUL: He’s done five or six in the year and a half we’ve been doing this, and he does others in the in-between weeks there in Toronto.

ELLA: And he suggests that one listen to them and they somehow affect you?

PAUL: Absolutely! These are soundlets, inner sound…yeah. This one was different, I don’t know…for me anyway. I mean, it’s the theme of compassion that he’s talking about.

[ELLEN'S NOTE: Paul sounded as if he was profoundly affected by Kris' chant. Although this particular chant didn't hit me in the same visceral way that I experienced in the Summer Solstice session, I can certainly attest to the validity of the power behind Kris' chants! Also, Kris made the point that the impact often comes at the END of a chant, and the suggestion was made at the Newworldview forum that there can also be delayed effects. In a neat synchronicity, just as I was typing up this part of the transcript today, I paused to open an email from Cathy, who shared this experience with me:

Hi Ellen,

Wow! What a session it was last night! I had such a continuation of all of
Kris's info on the drive home and then it kept rolling all night and into
the dream-time as well! One of the things that happened that was off the
charts, was while I was sitting outside having a smoke before going to bed
and I thought of Kris's chant--heard it and all of a sudden, there was a
bright light "path" that shot right out of my heart chakra and literally was
the "road to anything"! Odd, I've been working on all sorts of meditation
practices for many years and have received teachings from all sorts of
"high" lamas and the like, but NEVER has it all come together like it did
after Kris's session.... can't wait till the next one. Once again, thanks
sooooooo much for everything-- it was great meeting you finally and meeting
Brian too. Am looking forward to many more get-togethers in the future.
Take care and have a fun day...Cathy]
PAUL: I have a question guys: he referred to the Cult of the White blank, a Persian cult?

ELLEN: White “Bull,” I think. Mithras and the Cult of the White Bull.

PAUL: As in B-U-L-L?

ELLEN: Yeah, I believe so.

SERGE: I don’t think it refers to bullshit. (Group laughter)

BRIAN: (jokingly) And it didn’t refer to Red Bull as keeping you awake.

PAUL: He said it was a Persian reference. We’ll be able to look this up.

ELLEN: I think they used to do acrobatics with bulls, or something like that…

SERGE: That would have probably been the Cult of Mithras?

ELLEN: Yeah, that’s what he said.

ELLA: It’s very often he brings up the subject of western society being so….the ideals of western society as being…I don’t know, whenever he speaks of compassion I think, “Uh oh, another disaster is coming!” (Laughs)

PAUL: Oh, don’t say that!

JO: There’s always disasters.

ELLA: I know, but it’s just that all this last year, when all these things have happened, he kept talking about being compassionate and how we all have to learn and…I’m not really sure how all of you relate to it…

PAUL: Accessing states of compassion and the Divine Source…and the Gnostic…he’s going into the Gnostic area with this stuff. It’s not so much….I mean, whether you get a cold, or a car accident, or just stub your toe…dealing with that with compassion can only help, even in the small scale disasters. Looking at the big scale, with the Pakistani Earthquake, and Katrina, and the Tsunami…

ELLA: Well, he was also talking about different religions and how we don’t allow for another group of people to have ideas of their own and also be valid and I think he was also referring to this condition of Western world versus rest of the world, and I don’t know if he’s going to continue in that venue.

SERGE: How was the session so far?

(Many positive comments)

ELLA: It was very deep but sometimes it’s a little difficult to understand for me.

ELLEN: You know, when he was talking about the Katrina disaster and the other disasters and compassion and everything, I was thinking about that old adage about “What goes around comes around”? Back when the Katrina disaster was going on, and a lot of us, we did whatever we could — you know — we sent money and sent healing energy…I know I sent what money I could to the Red Cross, and I tried to do a little healing, or sending of healing energy in the center of the Labyrinth one day… and I thought, you know…. I wondered if it was doing any good… you know, what little I could do.

But um….recently…starting around October I started having a lot of pain — I have a TMJ dysfunction, that’s a dysfunction in your jaw joint, it clicks and locks at times — I’ve had it for years, but it just started getting really bad, around October the pain started going down my neck and into my shoulder and…it was like daily, and it wasn’t going away….and I’d been told for years that there’s nothing you can do about it. I recently heard there was an operation, but I was pretty leery about that.

Well, I had a dental appointment in December and there was a new hygienist, who came in, and she had her back to me and she said, “Do you have any medical issues?” And at first I said, “No,” and then I said, “Well, I’m having more trouble with my TMJ dysfunction, I’m starting to get pain.” And she turned around and she looked at me and she had this soft Mississippi accent and she started telling me about this therapy from a doctor or therapist that she worked with down in Mississippi, and it’s a very simple therapy that has to do with applying ice to your jaw three times a week for like an hour and also wearing a night guard at night.

She said it’s very effective, they had great results from patients at her old practice, and she went through the whole spiel about how to do it and everything……and then, while she was cleaning my teeth, she told me how she had been in the Katrina disaster and she and her husband and children had lost their home and they had come up here and were starting over and everything.

So I went home and I’ve been doing that therapy for the last few weeks and the change has been like night and day. And it’s just…you know I thought, “Wow, its like — what goes around, comes around,” you know? Here was somebody from the Katrina disaster who helped ME out.

ELLA: That’s very interesting…how in the middle of it…you just don’t see how it circles around and…

ELLEN: Yeah, you never know how what you do will come back –

(Kris returns)

MARK: Okay, hold on, kids!

(8:32 PM Break ends)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you have so many interesting questions and perspectives and are anticipating more, as we anticipate more inquiries on your part! Indeed, all of these great, illuminated beings that are used as models in the various religions have, as we have stated, COMPASSION as a common denominator. They have attained such states and perspectives because they have ALLOWED themselves to be fed, transformed, and enriched by that very compassion.

They have allowed themselves to be HEALED by it, to reconcile the apparent separations from the ego construction with Source, which can only provide the greatest compassion that you can show yourselves and in return they share of that compassion in any way they can with others. Thus many such great mythical heroes — heroes of compassion — help the blind – the spiritually blind – to see; the deaf – the spiritually deaf – to hear; and so on and so forth.

And just as these characters, these compassionate heroes and their stories are allegory, so are all these religions and spiritual teachings ALLEGORY for your own deeper states of existence, a means to teach your own selves about this Great Heroic Dimension within which you have your subjective and objective experiences.

If instead of the separations of one religion from another, there were unifying factors that recognize these common threads and brings the teachings together, you would see that your religions — when the distortions are overlooked and instead you focus upon the common threads — that you have a global, masterful story and mythology of the great creative genius of the human race; a global mythology that is broken down and separated into various cultures to teach humankind about its deeper aspects, its higher aspects.

This will present a very different picture of humankind and of the human race’s JOURNEY through time and space as it leaves for itself unique stories of its adventures within time and space — but from outside of that perspective, the perspective of the Divine. And you would indeed see that your religious bodies have so much in common that that which are the differences are often instilled by over inflated and over-zealous egos that try to capitalize on situations.

Just as your very humanity helps you share so much with EVERY OTHER INDIVIDUAL on your planet, so much so that your differences often become inconsequential, and through such recognitions you discern an integral moment of consciousness whereby the whole of humankind is indeed seeing — or can be seen — AS ONE BEING, expressing itself in as many diverse ways as possible, just as Essence seeks to express itself in as many diverse ways as possible.

What is the time?

MARK: 8:40

KRIS: Then indeed, if you are so inclined, we would like to share a small story with you: The parable of “The Man and the Mountain.”

There was this man who lived on a mountain and as most mountains go, this one too was quite barren, barely able to afford the soil with which the man could grow his sustenance or even feed his beasts. And every day, the man would moan his sad fate, often cursing his lot and the barren mountain upon which his life so dearly depended to the point where he enjoyed sharing his apparently cursed life with anyone he would meet, going to great lengths to discuss the poor state of his life as a result of living on this cursed mountain.

And one day he met a stranger and as usual he began telling his sad tale to the stranger, and the stranger — seemingly a curious fellow — said to the man, “Why do you not move away?” The man said that he cannot, he has lived on this mountain all his life, like his father before him, and his father before him, and likely his children will live their whole lives on this mountain, and their children will too. Such is the fate of his family.

The [stranger] said perhaps he could help, since he happens to know a thing or two about mountains, and perhaps he can be of assistance. So he went to the man’s home on the mountain, and all along on the journey to the man’s home up the mountain, the stranger would often stoop, scratch the rocks and the soil, moan silently to himself, nod his head, and continue following.

And when they had reached the man’s humble home, he sat at the humble kitchen table, and said to the poor man, “I think I may be able to help. This is what I have found on the way up: I sniffed, scratched, poked; I lifted rocks, I looked at them, I examined them with my eyeglass, I broke them, I cut them, and I have some information that might prove useful to you.”

He said, “My dear fellow, you who have lived with your family for countless generations on this mountain, a mountain apparently barren of all soil, barely able to sustain your lives, is actually a mountain of pure gold. This mountain can allow you to have all the things you wish in life, and more, but in order to do this; you need to divest yourself of the mountain. You must sell it. Give it up for a hefty return.”

And the poor man said, “I thank you very much Stranger, for your information. Even though selling this mountain may make us wealthy indeed, I could not possibly consider it, since it has been in our family for more generations than we can possibly remember and we need to keep it in the family for more generations to come. So we thank you for your information, and send you on your way. We need to continue living as we are.”

And the stranger left, walked down the mountain shaking his head, knowing that in some strange way the man in the mountain could have almost anything he wished, but that instead he preferred the state of his existence, because that is all the man in the mountain has ever known. And the idea of giving the very source of his misery up was unthinkable to the man in the mountain. So the stranger left, never to return, wondering to his dying day if the man in the mountain had ever moved beyond his state of being.

And that, dear friends, is our small parable for your contemplation! What is the time?

MARK: 8:50.

KRIS: Then indeed we would suggest a very small break and we will return to take some questions pertinent to the subject matter…. or as close as you can!

(Break begins at 8:50)

ELLA: Interesting story, but in real life it wouldn’t end that way! The stranger would go home and tell everyone that there’s gold on the mountain — (The rest of Ella’s words are drowned out as everyone cracks up.)

MARK: Oh, I don’t know about that! I’ve come across a few people unable to move away from their mountains.

ELLA: Nobody would ask the poor guy, the stranger would just bring a whole bunch of people to dig it up! (More raucous laughter from group)

MARK: Right out from under him!

ELLA: But it’s interesting what he’s saying that we are holding onto our misery for dear life and I have an interesting story of my own: There was a mother and a daughter, and the mother was teaching the daughter how to cook roast beef, so she takes a good chunk of meat and she cuts it on both sides and puts it in a pot and she cooks it. And the daughter asks “Why you cutting such a good meat?” And [the mother] says, “I don’t know, my mother always did it.”

So they went to the grandmother and said “Mom, why you cutting such a good meat?” She says “I don’t know. You know my mother always did it this way.” Luckily that [grandmother] was still living so they went and asked her, “How come you have to cut the meat when you cook the roast?” She says “Well, because my pot was always too small!”

(Everyone cracks up)

I’m just saying that once in a while we all get bogged down and we just don’t even remember how it started and why it keeps going so that is certainly a very good story that he was telling! (Laughs)

ELLEN: “Momma did it this way and it was always good that way, so that’s the way we’re doing it, too!”

ELLA: Ellen, I just wanted to say that I’m really glad that you are feeling much better, because this pain is very unpleasant and I was really interested in your story.

ELLEN: Thank you. I was really amazed at the change in just a couple of weeks turnaround.

ELLA: That sounds great. So is Kris going to allow for some questions? Anybody have any interesting questions?

STEVE: This is Steve from Virginia. I have a question if that’s okay.

[Steve's question doesn't get voiced for some reason, as there is some sound interference for a moment, then several people begin speaking over one another and a sharp clanging of glassware is heard in Delaware as Brian knocks his beer bottle against a fruit bowl. "They are breaking my dishes over here!" I holler. Laughter is heard.]

MYRNA: I have a question for Kris when he comes back. In the context of compassion, why this parable?

PAUL: We all live on a mountain of gold! And it’s called Essence, and it’s the basis of all compassion; the SOURCE of all compassion.

ELLA: Right, but also I think he’s a little bit diverting from the subject and talking about….I read in his recent session with Mark…he also said that we are afraid of changes.

TOM: Oh, yeah. Changes.

ELLA: Steven from Virginia also wanted to ask a question, right?

STEVE: Yeah, I did. He has talked about religion from like Greece and past history, and I just wanted to tell everyone the question before I asked it because I study Seth and Abraham, and they always talk about the power of the present and I wanted to know why or how can we study past history and still live in the present moment? That’s where I’m getting lost.

MARK: I have part of the answer. If you don’t know where you’re coming from, how are you going to tell where you are going?

ELLA: Yes, but history is all written by….I mean…do you think you have an objective picture of how things happen or is this presentation of our current ideas, or –

MARK: Yeah, but Ella, for instance, most of mankind thinks that we have a very short past and the truth is, according to Kris anyway, that it is HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of years that mankind has had many different versions of civilizations that have come and gone, and that means ultimately that we have HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of years of future ahead of us and a lot of people right now and especially in this day and age are looking at, or are considering a future that is very bleak, with war, and poverty and tsunamis and hurricanes and they’re not looking at the big picture.

MYRNA: Yeah and if we tie that back to your question, Steve, in many of the sessions sitting here with Kris — Kris has taken us through meditations out into the Heroic Dimension to get in touch with those ancient voices, those ancient whispers, those ancient civilizations — what I have experienced through that journeying is that my NOW, my present moment, many times is far more expanded and expansive than I could have ever imagined because I experienced myself as far more expansive.

MARK: I’m sure he’ll comment, still. (Pause as Mark notes Kris’ return) Okay, hang on.

(Kris returns at 8:59)

KRIS: Now as some of you have already expressed some questions that always stir the imagination, perhaps we can offer some answers in return. Steven from Virginia?

STEVE: Yeah, I had a question: you had talked a bit about studying past religions, for example the religions in Greece. I think they’re fascinating and I wanted to know how we can live in the present moment while still studying the past, because I’ve been told with a lot of the great teachers that you always live in the moment, not focusing on the past, but how can we do that if our focus is on past civilizations?

KRIS: To come by such views would necessitate that you as well as any other human being have no tomorrows and no yesterdays, literally living suspended in the flow of time and space, and as such, your very human nature would not know where to direct itself. And this is an extremely generalized statement. Your so-called past, as well as your so-called future, all exist within the moment, within the experience of the NOW.

Whether you call it the past or the future, you are still experiencing its venues through the moment and the present experience of yourself NOW. There are no separations as such, except perhaps in the views of the history books and in the way in which you neurologically separate moment-to-moment experiences. As Essence, you do have a variety — indeed a GREAT variety — of experiences in all different kinds of timeframes, some of which you interpret as past, ancient past, or future, or distant future. And some of your own past experiences as such may very well occur in a distant future.

The manner in which you will interpret it depends upon your point of view and what you need to extrapolate for your own fulfillment in this NOW. The point is not necessarily to study ancient history, but rather what you have left behind in terms of ancient teachings from your own Essence point of view. You may very well also try to study future histories, but these — we hear — are somewhat more difficult to focus upon! (Group chuckles)

Since from your human perspectives, you think the future has not yet occurred; whilst in truth, it is already occurring and may very well have already occurred; the future possibly being even in your past. How you catalogue all these time streams depends upon the adventure you wish from it. It is very likely that there is a future civilization of humankind that will develop the notion of gods like Zeus, Athena, Hermes, Jupiter and so on, but to you they appear in the context of ancient history; whilst to the past civilization the notion of an elderly male deity sacrificing his only child to be murdered on a cross is a potential for a future religion.

The point being that it is not necessarily ancient history you would be looking into as much as understanding the evolution of your very human nature through a cross-section of the continuum of time and space. And truly this is merely a cross-section and not the entirety or the whole enchilada.

Your conceptions of human history are still rather narrow, so you can only accommodate so much within the confines of those views, but if you stretch the boundaries of your human history to include not merely a few thousand years, but several hundreds of millions of years, it is quite likely that your minds would boggle at the task and the very notion of wondering what your species has been doing all this time!

You can barely remember what you did under the last political administration, never mind several million years ago, apart from the idea that you picked nits off each other’s backs! (Riotous laughter) THAT we can tell you: very few of you ever did that! Now, we hope that clarifies some of your question.

STEVE: Yes, it did. Thank you very much, Kris.

BRIAN: Kris, this is Brian in Delaware. Would that also place Atlantis as a future as well as a past, as Seth has said?

KRIS: That is always a potential.

BRIAN: Thank you.

KRIS: Now Steven, we also trust that you have a good sense of humor?

STEVE: Yes.

KRIS: We believe that, above all things, humor has sustained your species across all of the millennia that you have journeyed on the Earth and other places. Other questions?

MYRNA: I have a question, Kris. It’s Myrna.

KRIS: Speak loudly, they need to hear.

MYRNA: It’s Myrna. Kris, this story, the parable of the Man on the Mountain, was given to us in the context of compassion. Why?

KRIS: May WE ask why?

MYRNA: (Chuckling) Well, what came up for me a few moments ago, popped into my head, was…compassion needs to start with me in order to…to express it to others…and I can imagine myself as that man on the mountain, and I for a moment felt that I understood him and felt….. Actually felt fine with that story….the compassion of….an aspect of ME could understand continuing to be on that mountain.

KRIS: Indeed, as an aspect of the man on the mountain would have brought the stranger to offer some different kind of potentiality, thus the door being slightly opened to a different kind of compassion; a compassion that would take him out of his present state of complaining. Of course there is always free choice — ALWAYS free choice — and the individual on the mountain may very well feel that it is not possible to change, to go beyond his present means.

But whatever you extrapolate from the parable now; whatever you may extrapolate from it next week or next year, if you fancy visiting the parable again, ALL of the extrapolations are valid according to the time and place YOU are at; up to and including the very notion that such a parable is sheer nonsense. That is also a respectable choice. Does that help, or does it make it more complicated? (Group chuckles)

MYRNA: (Laughing) Well….as usual I sit here scratching my head going “Oh, damn!” (Laughs) No…It’s fine. It’s fine.

ELLA: May I ask something about the parable?

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLA: This is Ella. I just wanted to say that I was for some reason concentrating on the stranger that came out to the person. I think he offered him compassion in a couple of ways — the first of course was obvious, that he tried to help and that was very nice of him to do — but in a way, he was also compassionate because he understood that…even though the choice of the person on the mountain was sort of strange, but he granted him that choice — he didn’t try to convince him. He maybe was befuddled by it, but he also left and he didn’t intrude on the life of that individual, even though I’m sure he was aware of the value of the mountain. I could relate to that individual.

KRIS: Indeed, we could have continued and added that the stranger approached the local politicians to find a way to extradite the man’s property from the mountain, so that the stranger could then buy it and sell it to a mining multinational!

(Raucous laughter from all)

ELLA: (Laughing along) I was thinking of that!! I even spoke about it during the break, but I still feel that that person was more like a scientist and was not of that nature. He knew the meaning of compassion and also respect to other person’s choices.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And what was the mountain’s point of view?

(Group laughter)

ELLA: Yeah, that’s a good one! I also have a question when I have a chance.

KRIS: Please continue.

ELLA: While you were speaking at the beginning of the session you also mentioned that once in a while through the history of the humanity….uh, humanity develops certain conditions to bring all the religious beliefs together — because of the separation that occurs we want to bring them back together…I sort of understand from what you’re saying that right now is one of the times and that events that are occurring….I’m talking on entire planet — the societies on the entire planet? — are probably of that nature, but I’d like to hear if you can extrapolate on that and explain.

KRIS: (To Mark:) Can you translate?

MARK: (Deadpan) No. (Chuckles)

ELLA: Uh? (Giggling) Should I translate back from English to English? [NOTE: Ella is Russian and English of course, is not her primary language] I was basically saying that to me, you implied that right now all of the societies on the planet are….creating conditions under which different religious beliefs will be brought together to eliminate differences, and I wanted to hear more about that.

KRIS: We offered it as a suggestion, but it may not necessarily occur in that manner. In general, the western civilization is recognizing — even if only subjectively — is recognizing that its present model does not afford an expansion of consciousness, does not afford growth except in certain venues.

But these are themselves very limited, because they are all dependant upon the extraction of resources of the Earth to one degree or another, and at its present rate of consumption the resources will quite likely be depleted. Within the next few generations mainly oil (pause) and water is the next big step. Your air is becoming more polluted. Global warming is melting polar ice caps and thawing the tundra. Deforestation is reducing the amount of clean air you can afford.

All of these things are tied in and cannot be ignored, or simply denied as thinking that all you have to do is wear pretty colored glasses and think everything is fine. On the one hand, YES, you are exactly where you need to be, because you have put yourselves there and the experience will continue to unfold. Simultaneously you all know that the conditions can be serious.

On the one hand you cannot continue to consume as a society the way you do and expect that all of your left-overs will simply vanish into thin air. There are many, many issues at hand and the western model can only hold out for so long. Last, there is a search for a different model that will provide a caretaker approach, instead of a TAKER, CONQUEROR, PILLAGER approach to the resources of the Earth up to and including human lives.

And by affording yourselves compassion through enlightenment, and enlightenment through compassion, you may indeed create a different model which may very well include a completely different kind of religious, spiritual observation that will change the way with which humankind treats the Earth, its resources, and fellow human beings. Does that make sense? (There is some heavy breathing heard on the lines in the last few minutes, as if someone is breathing into a headset.) Or did we put everyone to sleep?

ELLA: No…I mean…maybe not the answer I expected but I am so grateful to hear what you just said. It just awakens me one more time, and I really enjoyed it. Maybe not all of the terrible things, but the way you answered. Thank you very much.

KRIS: They may on the one hand appear as terrible, but on the other also appear as tremendous opportunities for transformations, for realizations and awakenings.

ELLA: Why are you always concentrating on the western society? I’m sure other societies also have a lot of things they would need to change.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: I mean, I understand the consumerism in the western society, but altogether it looks like everybody probably would be looking for something to change –

KRIS: In that you are correct. It is simply for convenience.

MARK: All the people on this phone line are in the western world.

ELLA: Sooo…why do we always have to be blamed for everything? (Giggling)

KRIS: Besides, it is far more popular to bash western civilization!

(Group laughter)

ELLEN: Get on the bandwagon, Ella!

ELLA: (Laughing) Nooo, I refuse!

(Good natured group laughter)

KRIS: Now, what is the time?

MARK: 9:22

KRIS: Then we humbly suggest that we end our lovely discussion with you; that you take these words, ponder them, enlighten yourselves, and see that every day into this year you allow great joy to fill your being.

ALL: Thanks, Kris.

MARK: 9:22 and Kris has left the building!

[ELLEN’S NOTES: Coincidentally (Not!), I picked up a book at Barnes & Noble just last week that caught my eye because it’s on Labyrinths, which have become a mini-passion of mine. I began reading it just two days after this session was recorded and what do I find to my wondering eyes, but a reference to Mithras and the White Bull, which Kris mentioned during the session, as well as the other ancient deities he spoke of, and how the Christ mythology was derived from these far more ancient myths.

“…most of the average individuals in the Judeo-Christian belief systems are unaware that their religious beliefs are definitely not original and unique, but very well an amalgam of religious beliefs and teachings from other groups that predate their own.

The ancient teachings of Mithras and the Cult of the White Bull from the ancient Persian world and beyond it, the ancient cult of Krishna from India and beyond, the ancient cult of Dionysus in the ancient Greek world, the ancient cult of Isis, Osiris and Horus as a trilogy from ancient Egypt have so many similarities with the Judeo-Christian teachings that your own understanding could be GREATLY expanded upon by reviewing these ancient mythologies — including the mythology of the Christ — to find common threads and the realizations of enlightenment by and with compassion.” ~ Kris
From Labyrinths: Ancient Paths of Wisdom and Peace, by Virginia Westbury:

“At the heart of the labyrinth lies one of the most profound mysteries of the ancient world — the story of a sacred marriage between a god and goddess and of death and resurrection in the cave of the underworld. The clues to this mystery are to be found in the oldest story about the labyrinth, the one written by Greeks in the eighth century BCE and rewritten by Romans form the first century onwards — the story of Theseus in Crete.

In it we discover a monster called the Minotaur, half man, half bull, trapped inside a prison so intricate and fearful that no one can escape. The myth presents the labyrinth as a maze of terror and death, where every nine years, seven men and seven maidens are sacrificed to the monster, who has been born, we are told, of an unnatural union between a Queen of Crete and a white bull. It takes a hero, Theseus, a magician, Daedalus, and a woman, Ariadne, to defeat him and effect escape from the labyrinth.

The earliest version of this myth is recorded on clay tablets in Sumer dating form the third millennium BCE. It tells of a goddess, Inanna, and her consort, Dumuzi, known as the “wild bull.” Bulls seemed to have been important symbolic animals to our forebears. We see them as early as the Paleolithic era, painted on the walls of caves in France and Spain. By the Bronze Age, a bull-like man or god (it is not clear which) has become the son or consort of a goddess and sometimes he is also a king.

In the Sumerian story, Dumuzi, the “wild bull”, is sent down to the dreaded Kur (underworld); while he is there, Inanna mourns bitterly for him. After six months, roughly the period between late summer and spring, he is allowed to return. The story is repeated in Babylonian mythology with the death and descent of Tammuz, beloved of the goddess Ishtar.

Next, from Egypt, comes the story of Isis and Osiris, in which the god Osiris is slain by his jealous brother Set. Isis goes in search of him and when she finds him, she conceives her son, Horus, using the dead king’s phallus. Later Osiris is resurrected and becomes the Lord of the Underworld. Similar gods and heroes of death and resurrection appear all over the Mediterranean and Near East: Adonis, Attis, Orpheus, Mithras, and finally, of course, Christ.

At its simplest level, this story of death and resurrection is an analogy for the seasons. The god grows to manhood in spring, reigns in summer, descends and dies in the Fall, only to be reborn again around the time of the winter solstice.

The bull was seen as the seed of life, a perfect symbol of strength and virility, as well as of kingship. His blood renewed the Earth. Often our ancestors enacted his death with the sacrifice of a living bull; at other times they portrayed it symbolically by placing an effigy of the dead god/king on a boat and sending it down a river; in rare cases, human sacrifice was practiced.

After the collapse of Crete, around 1500 BCE, many of its stories and myths became incorporated into the mythology of the more patriarchal civilization of Mycenean Greece. The bull god, too, was assimilated among Greek deities — Zeus, Poseidon and Dionysis — each of whom took bull form from time to time. By the eighth century BCE, however, when the Theseus story was written, the bull god had been downgraded into a “monster” who had come into existence as the result of an act of greed. King Minos refused to offer a white bull (the Minotaur’s sire) as a sacrifice to Poseidon, mainly because he wanted the animal for himself. The god punished him by making his wife, Pasiphae, fall in love with the creature, and as a result, she gave birth to the Minotaur.

Judging by the number of sketches and paintings he did of the Minotaur, it appears that the 20th century painter, Pablo Picasso, was fascinated by this strange hybrid bull man. In almost every work, he portrays the bull with pathos, not as a terrifying monster but as a victim, the embodiment of human suffering. In one especially vivid image, the animal is being cruelly slain by a matador’s sword.

Picasso’s images show us the Minotaur not as a monster, but as a sacrificial offering, symbol of suffering and a victim of humanity’s relentless need to redeem itself through the death and pain of others. It is an image which is intended to awaken our compassion, perhaps.

The 12th-century theologian and scholar Peter Abelard saw much the same sort of role for Christ, whom he says came to Earth not simply to redeem humankind from sin but to awaken in us the spirit of compassion for suffering and for all life. Of course no one in the Middle Ages would have gone for the idea of the Minotaur as the suffering hero in the labyrinth. Theseus had that role, but we must remember, warrior Theseus was never a god. As we have just seen, the real deity in the labyrinth is our mysterious, silent Minotaur.

There are some today who believe that the reappearance of the labyrinth represents the Minotaur’s return too. In newly constructed pathways across America and Europe, the old gods and goddesses of our ancestors are again being honored in ritual and dance in everything from neopagan religious rites to modern performance art.

For many, these nature gods seem to symbolize a spirit of reverence for the Earth and its creatures, but more importantly, they also represent a connection to mystery and to our own humanness. For others, the Minotaur is not a god but simply a symbol for that part of us which has the power to transcend and redeem our own suffering. Christ within.”

Detailed Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene), John (Sohars)

Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Carol, Blaze, Robn, Jessica

u: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Brian (Enzo), Cathy (Segova)

New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)

Virginia: Steven

Salt Lake City, Utah: Anya

Oregon: Norm (Ambrose), Reta (Leihuu), Lisa

Hawaii: Tom (Desiré)

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