The Great Game

December 18, 2005

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 18, 2005
© Copyright 2006 Avion Rising, Inc.

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Myrna, Paul, Jo, Ester, Ellen, Ann, Brian, Anya, Tammy, Gary, Norm, Reta, Tom, Lisa, Ella, Tom S. and Carter.

(For a detailed roll call please go to the end of the transcript.)

(7:48 PM session begins.)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you have all taken a few moments to join us. We trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration. During the last conference call we addressed that you are soon to be celebrating one of the most religious occasions in the Christian beliefs. We addressed that in other words and in other times, this was an occasion for celebrating life, for celebrating self. We would like to continue in that vein up to a point after which we would like to simply partake in your lovely questions, hopefully relevant to the topic or nearly so, for those who need to venture astray.

Throughout human history — which far exceeds the versions of it which are written in the history books and taught in the educational systems — humankind has made many attempts to cultivate and connect with that experience which is considered larger than the human individual. Humankind has made many attempts to celebrate this larger experience of SELF. It has taken many forms, depending upon the historical period it is cast in, or the cultures, the nations, the inclinations of the individuals, and the individuals themselves, all within the context of the set of collective beliefs.

This is one experience common to all of humankind, almost without exception to one degree or another. Not one hundred percent, but almost, for all individuals. There is a drive, a pull, for introspection, for inner dialog, for a connection within that keeps appearing in people’s lives in one form or another. And even if it is not consciously considered as an attempt to communicate with the inner self — Source, or Essence — still the process occurs, without thought or interruption from one historical period to another, from one individual to another, and from one civilization to another, each collectively interpreting that communication, that connection, within the terms that make sense to that culture, that civilization, and those individuals.

And gradually there are changes as civilizations go through their cycles, as individuals also go through their phases and their cycles, their growth, their maturation and their own personal evolution. And as this is reflected in the collective, then you have massive changes on the fronts of civilizations. And there are also cycles of ages that give new life to the concept of civilization building, each age setting up a specific set of blueprints and collective beliefs and the variations on the themes.

Each individual takes birth within an age, within a civilization, within a cycle, within a nation, a country, a culture, that will provide the most optimum set of circumstances within which and with which to then display the subjective states that are desired to become physical expressions, physical interpretations; another process of transforming consciousness into matter, energy into one state from another. And this is a process that has been with the human experience even before the concept of the human experience was dreamt of — LITERALLY DREAMT OF.

We mentioned last teleconference also that civilization building is a concept found in YOUR reality that may not necessarily exist in another in specifically the same terms, with the same physics and the same beliefs. It is a trait UNIQUE to this reality and gives you the opportunity to concentrate, to focus upon, very specific characteristics and traits of your expressions, your aspects, in terms not found in other realities. There are other realities that also experiment with similar concepts but to varying degrees end up being different from the concept you are experimenting with.

By exploring the very idea of how your collective concepts are brought together and coalesced, integrated, to create emergent states of cultivation and a grouping of ideals that become the foundations for your civilizations is in some regards therefore quite unique to your species. You have been practicing this for many, many ages in many different ways. The outcome is always different depending upon the type of civilization you build, the elements you build it with, and the individuals who take their birth within a specific civilization, interpreting it again within the context of their own belief structures.

And within all of these elements and parameters, those elements are allowed to grow in each of you — whether you are listening right now, you are reading the words in a few weeks, or hearing them in a few weeks or a few months — ALWAYS, you take your birth within all of those sets of circumstances and conditions because you have determined that these conditions and circumstances are optimum to bring about those qualities, those experiences that you desire to focus upon, regardless if you interpret some of your experiences as positive and some as negative, some as constructive, some as not, this is actually irrelevant to the THRUST, the MOMENTUM of your desire to be part of the experience and the experiment, the GREAT EXPERIMENT OF CONSCIOUSNESS, an experiment that is still in progress.

And your personal thoughts, your collective thoughts, on all of these factors are exchanged with other individuals, other beings, other Essences even, in other times and places because your input, your experimentation, your experiences — whether you consciously regard them as valid or not — carry a great weight. They carry knowledge, information, experience that is shared at those other layers of being, with many other individualities that sometimes come and join the game, that sometimes take this information, apply it to their realities in terms that is consistent with their own domains.

And within this GREAT game, within this great experimentation of consciousness, you also gain insight into the very function of consciousness and of yourself as an Expression of Essence. And hopefully in retrospect you also gain understanding as to your relationship with Essence and how your adventures within the energies of Essence help transform the inner or subjective states into the objective physical expression of reality. And how your innermost states influence, manipulate, transform consciousness into the products of your own lives.

This is a rather big picture to focus upon, but nonetheless we are addressing this to share the very notion, the very fact that none of your lives need ever be considered insignificant, irrelevant, inconsequential, and of no merit, but that instead the whole of reality as you and others SHARE it, as you co-create it, is of IMMENSE value on all levels, all layers. Even that which appears to be invisible, naked to your eyes and the self is indeed most transparent.

It is indeed naked to the experiences of others because you all participate in the construction and the detailing of physical reality. With this great ability to transform energy — that which is considered invisible, intangible — into that which is objectifiable, tangible, solid, physical, is a great gift; so great indeed that your own physical reality is unique in this.

Now physical reality is much more than you understand. It is a dimension — a dimension of which knows no boundaries — but nonetheless is not found everywhere, and it takes individuals who are able to undergo the processes from the emotional states towards the creation of physical reality. Each individual born into physical reality has to more or less meet certain criteria simply due to the nature of the demands FOR the creation of physical reality.

And not all beings wish to participate in that fashion. It requires therefore, certain qualities and traits, and a certain intestinal fortitude. It takes GUTS, in so many words, to participate in this kind of great experimentation. So you are indeed all most BRAVE and BLESSED for this!

Reflect for a moment back upon the days, the weeks, the months, the years past and briefly ponder ALL of the experiences, the highs and the lows and everything in between, the joys and the tears and ALL of the conditions, the circumstances, the situations, the events that you have participated in and created.

All of the energy required for all of these elements, and the emotional fuel — the desiring, the expectations, the feeling-tones of all kinds that you have infused since even before your birth into physical reality; that you will continue to do so in the days, the weeks, the months, the years and the decades into the future as you understand, and then in all times that is spread out from the resonance of your being to create the full expression of physical life — and you may consider that indeed it requires a certain attitude, a certain psychological perspective, to undertake this journey.

And you may begin to reflect and understand that indeed you have masterfully sculpted the physical reality out of the contents of your own awareness and you may begin to also see the scope, the breadth, the width, the height and the depth that is your being involved in such a process. And the projections from your subjective states towards the physical manifestation of reality are indeed an undertaking of cosmic proportion. And you do so indeed for the experience, but we ask you then, what do you MEAN by the “Experience”?

What is the full scope, the gambit of that experience? Based upon what we have just addressed, you should by now have grasped that the experience is much more than your conscious ego construction perspective of the experience and that the experience itself has dimensions that can be explored and that can deeply enrich YOUR perspective, YOUR vision of reality, and the understanding of your being.

What IS your being? WHO and WHAT IS THIS BEING that creates all of these conditions, circumstances, events and so on, and what power has this being? What IS the nature of this being that you say is you? You look about you, you look at your world and the objects within it, the props of reality. You look at the trees and the buildings and the cars and the mountains and you say, “Yes, that is a building, that is a tree, that is a car, that is a mountain,” but just what ARE these projections of objects and just who is the individual looking at these energy constructions and naming them buildings and cars and mountains and trees?

What is the profound nature of the self that creates such a powerful being that it would create an entire dimension to experience the experience? So our presentation has been to hopefully assist you in directing your thoughts and your reflective nature to examine the scope of who and what you are and what does that being do. And just what kind of powerful abilities you entertain and often think nothing of, but sometimes say things like “I’m here for the experience.” Just what is that experience? And what are you experiencing during the experience? And what kind of joyous conclusions can you extrapolate from such adventures?

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:22

KRIS: Then indeed, we will advocate the experience of a break and let you all enjoy that moment until we return.

(Break begins at 8:22 PM.)

Although Kris’ delivery was very clear throughout, at break a considerable amount of static appeared. “Got static cling?” joked Brian. Most of break was involved in trying to track down the source of the static, by individually muting phones one by one in a process of elimination. Tom in Hawaii was having trouble getting his mute button to work and the possibility was considered that the static was coming from his connection. Tom disconnected temporarily, but static continued, though somewhat less. Hawaii Tom came back, Tom from New Jersey disconnected and the line suddenly cleared considerably.

ELLEN: Wow, who just….

BRIAN: Died?

ELLEN: (Laughs) Yeah, who just died?

PAUL: It sure cleared up the static!

(Everyone laughs)

SERGE: I’m not too sure of exactly what Kris talked about, but it seemed to be pretty heavy, or big, I’m not sure.

ELLA: It was a bit of continuation of celebrating ourselves and noting here again what our experiences are, in my perception, and he was a little bit more heavy about answering [the question]: If we are here for experience, what is that experience? Not just saying, “Oh, everything is good, here is my experience,” but he is digging deeper. That was my perception from what he said.

SERGE: Anybody else?

BRIAN: Well, every moment would be experience. [Every moment] that you’re here.

ELLA: Yes, but he sort of asked of ourselves to define, what would YOU as an experience — what are our conclusions of what our personal experiences are.

PAUL: This is Paul in Castaic. I was sort of asking the question: “Who is it that views all of its reality?” (Static suddenly becomes severe) I felt it –

ELLA: A lot of static.

BRIAN: Paul, you’re breaking up.

SERGE: You’ll have to repeat, Paul.

PAUL: Oh, man, I just did this whole dissertation, too! (Riotous laughter) Joking, just joking! It’s real simple: my impression is the direction he was pushing in — where he was directing us, where he was probing pedagogically, as a teacher — who is asking us the question, who is the YOU who creates all its reality, who is the you who experiences the nature of that experience within All That Is and OUR experience of it?

ELLA: Well….what is your answer to that, do you have any idea? (Pause and then group laughter) Well, Paul usually comes up with very good explanations for everything, so I was just hoping!

TOM (Hawaii): I think he’s directing us towards [acknowledging that it's] our unconscious that’s doing the creating on the subjective level. (Severe static begins again as Tom speaks)

PAUL: That’s part of it. Essence, focus…

TOM (Hawaii): Yesterday he mentioned that Essence was a process and that our unconscious was part of that process. I was trying to get him to define what our unconscious was. (Tom mutes immediately after each time he speaks and the static clears)

MARK: (Referring to the sudden clarity when Tom muted again) Well, that helped!

ELLA: What just happened? Now it’s clearer.

PAUL: Tom in Hawaii, did you just mute yourself?

TOM: Yeah, maybe I should just keep my mute on.

ELLA: No, we like to hear you talk!

TOM: It’s a trade-off, I guess.

PAUL: The static is coming through your line, I think.

MARK: I particularly like the fact that he not only addressed us in THIS reality and THIS dimension, but all of our OTHER beings. Ella asked that question at the last teleconference, “What are those other beings?” and he sort of addressed that issue and he talked about how our whole expression and experience is very different there. I particularly liked that.

ELLA: Mark, I just wanted to say that at this particular moment when you were saying that, right before you spoke, I was just thinking about that same question [I had asked Kris]. That’s very funny. It fascinates me that somebody else actually USES our experiences and incorporates them in THEIR dimension and reality. I would love to hear more on that.

MARK: He did tonight. You’ll notice when you read the transcript for tonight. I’m sure he’ll keep expanding on that as we go.

ELLA: I find it interesting [especially] since he says our dimensions are so different, we can’t always even imagine the rules that govern them, and how THEY look and how THEY function and yet there is such a communication…..which then explains why there’s no separation, right? It can be a completely different dimension and yet there can be that energy exchange and consciousness exchange.

MYRNA: Ella, what’s interesting about that is, last week, one of the participants here in Toronto asked Kris about the crop circles and I can’t possibly summarize very effectively Kris’ answers, but they are beings who are speaking to us — this is the way they have chosen to speak to us — and the crop circles continue to get more and more complex and that it’s going to take different mindsets…I don’t even think that’s the right word…

MARK: Mathematical mindsets — to figure out what they’re saying.

ELLA: Wow.

MYRNA: Yeah.

ELLA: But — when you say “cross circles,” or how you call them…you mean between dimensions, right?

MARK: CROP circles that appear in corn fields.

ELLA: Oh, you mean crop circles? I thought you were talking about cross circles like between different dimensions.

ELLEN: Communications between dimensions, Ella.

ELLA: I saw some pictures somebody posted and some of them were so complex and amazing.

ELLEN: Yeah, Kris’ point was that they’re going to keep becoming more and more complex, because they are a type of communication, but it’s going to take a genius — a mathematical genius — to begin to decipher them. But the problem is that there’s nobody who is of that…caliber…who is interested enough, or who has taken the interest.

JO: I don’t know, because Norm’s working on (inaudible word) at the fiendish level, so I think if he started on the crop circles he could figure it out. — (laughs)

ELLEN: Go on, Norm!

ELLA: Yes, definitely. Norm, what about that vibrational healing machine? Are you working on it still?

NORM: We had a check here about a month ago, and I do have the topaz and the amethyst crystals. I am trying to get an appropriate-sized motor that runs at the right speed and when I get that, I will put something together, so I have two of the three major components. I have the crystals ready to go, and I have a variety of them because of the fact that I want to have a sort of an experiment to look at the efficacy or the efficiency of the various combinations to determine if there’s any correlation with any of the gauge theory that Tiller has. So it will be fun.

ELLA: You know this is funny because I have a focus in “Alterversity,” and she has started vibrational healing, and so has her partner, and recently my last impression was that I saw them arguing in the lab because they were trying different crystals and also looking at the combinations (laughs) so what you are saying is like a deja vu to me!

[NOTE: Ella has described her other focus and her "Alterversity" adventures at

http://www.Krischronicles.com/2005-transcripts/sept-24-2005-multiple-essence.html]

NORM: We should all be doing that. I’ve been going to a series of lectures here either at University of Oregon or at Eugene. Some of them are top theorists in string theory, Nobel Prize winners, and quantum mechanics, etc. They had a comment which is kind of unusual. They feel that the concept of creation will be proven in the next five years by science, and that would be a wonderful thing if that can occur. Of course there’s been a lot of research that’s led up to it. All of quantum mechanics, Bell’s theorem, Non-locality, etc., is a good prelude to it. All you have to have is the appropriate mindset and you can perhaps see through the unrealistic attitudes that science now has, so it’s — I should stop now and let Kris take over. (Laughs)

RETA: The big problem is, again, our time. The [amount] of time we can devote to [building the machine] is minimal.

NORM: Yeah, but we’ll get to it.

PAUL: Norm, this is from a physics point of view as far as showing the manifest and un-manifest? At the quantum level through physics equations? (Norm asks Paul to repeat) The question…what you just said, that in six years the scientists will prove creation –

NORM: Prove that the creational concept is –

RETA: Intelligent design.

NORM: That Intelligent design is the correct…that that analogy that was used to create this dimension –

PAUL: That’s not limited to a quantum physics methodology –

NORM: No, right, it’s not limited to that at all.

PAUL: Right. In fact it requires biological, psychological, spiritual methodologies –

NORM: Right.

PAUL: Right. Okay.

NORM: But the physicists feel that they will be able to get to the point where they can see that that concept is better than the Chaos theory of Darwinism.

PAUL: So it’s leaning towards an intelligent design meta-view, or something?

NORM: That’s right.

PAUL: Well, that’s part of the post-modern paradigm I would think?

NORM: Well, it is, but you already….physicists and people….as it serves today….I’m sure are not going to believe that, though.

PAUL: Cool, well there’s our experience! (Laughs)

ELLA: I find it really important and interesting to see that that type of knowledge becomes accepted within the scientific community. I think that at this point, it isn’t here, but eventually as you said, once it becomes accepted knowledge it propagates much quicker. We have a small group now that accepts it –

MARK: (As Kris comes back) Hold on!

(Kris jumps back into the conversation at 8:46)

KRIS: Your discussion of the precursors for establishing an ‘intelligent design’ is of interest in the sense that it goes without saying that you have all very intelligently designed your realities and the experiences you enjoin within them. We used the word “enjoin,” not “enjoy,” though sometimes you enjoy them, too!

Now, some of the difficulties with the notion of Intelligent design is the concept can be easily picked up by those fundamentalists who see their own projections of an exteriorized, externalized, all-powerful male deity that they will then lay claim to, and use this to justify their notions of creation. And everyone knows that it is not necessarily the males who know how to do anything, deity or otherwise! (Group chuckles) We are being cynical here.

All kidding aside, there is indeed something to be said for intelligent design, but it should be taken in its own context. It is not a deity sitting on a cloud at his drafting table, intelligently designing the fundamentalist mind. That is almost an oxymoron! (Pause) We trust that you have a sense of humor!

[ELLEN'S NOTE: Chuckles can be heard on the Toronto end, and I can attest that Ann and Brian and I in Delaware appreciated all of Kris' humorous remarks, as I'm sure each participant around the country did also. Those of us on the phone lines collectively agreed to be placed on mute standby during Kris' monologues in the interest of sound quality and non-interruption, which is understandably necessary, though it is a shame when Kris makes humorous comments and no appreciative response can be heard!]

Obviously this deity would have to have had a GREAT sense of humor! Now then, you do create intelligently with meticulous attention to detail, though you then forget that you have done so, because the process is automatic. It is not occasioned by the conscious mind or the ego construction. And the dangers occur when the ego construction tries to lay claim to that which is creating for it. The idea of an intelligent design deserves more attention, but in a different direction and that is where the true colors of the researchers will show themselves: how the concept will be designed.

You have at your disposal a great ability to create concepts of any kind, collectively and individually. HOW you create, how you manifest, is another story. WHAT you manifest — again another story, though they are all part of the collection of stories. Earlier on there was mention of other beings exploring YOUR experiences, observing your adventures and you yourselves do the same. You are not the only ones being observed. You do the observing as well, and within the parameters of your own belief structures you experiment with your observations.

You bring to physical reality concepts and interpretations of concepts that you have observed elsewhere, in other realities even. A remnant of such explorations is found in an ancient culture, the remains of which are the Hindu traditions and the Vedic culture as is now experienced in your reality, specifically addressing that deities — the multi-limbed, from four arms, to hundreds of arms, to thousands of arms; from two heads, to four heads, to hundreds of thousands of heads — in a manner speaking are the interpretations of other realities where you have observed other experiments in consciousness.

In your reality, you experiment with a number of individuals who come together, whether in the dozens, the hundreds, the thousands, the millions, or the billions and you establish civilizations. In other realities you have many individuals who come together as ONE, establishing a different kind of civilization where the concept is condensed within the parameters of individuality alone and not manifested physically with all of the paraphernalia and the accoutrements of your own civilizations.

Where hundreds and thousands of individuals build a city or a country or a world, but where many individualities come together in oneness and have no need to build externally to express their civilization, but do so collectively under the umbrella of oneness as you would understand the term. Such an experience is also very powerful, but different from your own and gives different results that ultimately can still be shared with your own results.

Try even for one moment to examine the possibility that in another reality you do not have separate members of a family, each sleeping in a separate room, doing their own separate things, under the umbrella of the family unit; but that instead, you may have an individuality that is literally composed of unique fragments, each aware of the other, but within one body, for example. The closest your own reality comes to for such an experience is individuals who are clinically labeled with Multiple Personality Syndrome.

The difference in your reality is that only ONE personality structure can occupy the limelight at any one time, but in other realities they ALL occupy the limelight simultaneously but function as a unit and are each aware of the other, but in your reality multiple personality disorders are not aware of each other. You have then, a completely different species of experience and these types of individuals indeed often observe your reality in the manner in which you have literally externalized self into its many compartmentalized individualized expressions, whereas they have not gone that route.

Your experiment in consciousness with this physical reality then, is truly wondrous as you are indeed pushing the envelope so to speak, trying new things. And as we said, it requires a certain attitude and a very specific brand of intestinal fortitude, a constitution that is unique for such experimentations because you become your own subjects of experimentation. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:00 on the button!

KRIS: Then indeed, perhaps there can be some time for a few questions?

MARK: We have any questions?

ELLA: Well I do have a question. You have told us many times that there have been many civilizations that blink in and blink out, but I would like to know if they experience it from one to another civilization. Do they carry it forward or are they independent experiments?

KRIS: Even though each experiment in civilization is unique and has its own goals, there are often bleed-throughs that allow new ideas to be exchanged so that one civilization receives an influx of concepts through creative geniuses of one kind or another which can then alter or add to the original concept, again pushing that envelope further. So there are always links and connections and no one system is ever truly isolated from the other.

And even though some civilizations have appeared in your so-called past, they still exist quite clearly within the context of simultaneous time and it is through those often-called BLINKS that the bleed-throughs occur when there are specific alignments and sufficient momentum of need within one civilization for an influx of new thought, new concepts. Does that answer your question?

ELLA: Yes, thank you very much.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: Kris, I have a question. This is Paul in Castaic. You mentioned multiples and in our current dimension, you mentioned multiple personality disorder and we define that as a fragmented, non-integrated set of multiples, but I’ve become aware through the internet and the email lists that we have, and on Sethnet in particular a woman came in who claims to have multiples, but integrated, and there are actually online communities of multiples that are functioning. So I just wanted to get your opinion: it’s actually a bleed-through, or an echo almost, but it makes sense that there would be in a very minority percentage of our overall population, a number of multiples that are actually fully integrated and functioning, and….I would just like to get your comment on that.

KRIS: Indeed, as you have suggested it also makes logical sense because they are, in effect, reflecting experiences and experiments in other realities where the multiple design is FULLY integrated and has never experienced the clinical fragmentation that is experienced in this reality, and it is often not the result of traumatic experiments and experiences, but instead, of pure choice. In this reality, choice is still relevant, but it is often hidden or denied, and has to occur through the intervention of trauma to one degree or another, and there are multiples who have never experienced trauma, but the personality awakens to find that it is not alone inside. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yes. I’m aware of that, yes.

KRIS: Such individuals, in many respects, can give your clinicians a true clue as to the nature of the human personality structure.

PAUL: Right, so they appear as anomalies to our current understanding, and yet, you can learn a lot from them. Just a follow-up then, Kris, in these other dimensions, where these multiple personalities are fully formed, there must be a small minority bleed-through where you wake up and you’re just a single person, but functional, and is it considered a disease, or a disorder, in general, in those societies?

KRIS: Depending upon each stage of development. In some it may be considered an anomaly, whilst in others it is considered a different type of experimentation with personality structure, where the wall gives pre-eminence to one aspect more than the others unlike in this reality, but in this reality, you consider that at all times there must only be one preeminent personality structure, and anything else is considered suspect.

NORM: This is Norm. I have a question. In the other reality where they have multiple personalities — is there a synergistic advantage to that, whereas there is something because of a combination there of unique characteristic that come about?

(Static problems come and go from the moment that the question and answer period began. At the time of Norm’s question it becomes so severe that Kris is unable to voice his response. It is decided that everyone should voluntarily mute themselves except for the individual asking the question, but static continues and Mark is forced to switch to presentation mode again, enabling Kris to respond and be heard clearly.)

KRIS: Indeed there are definite advantages according to the context of the culture and the civilization, or the group, or the experiments within which this type of oneness or selfhood is experienced. In some of those realities, the physical body is much unlike your own. You consider that you have two arms and two legs, one torso, one neck and one head.

Such individuals may not consider the body in those same conditions, but may indeed experience an awareness of several limbs at once and yet do not consider it an impediment. They come together to form the body and it may not even resemble any kind of humanoid imagery, but it is a coming together of consciousness and sharing in one experience.

One of their considerations as an advantage, is that they will not necessarily be limited, in your terms, to one set of emotions, but may experience a multitude of, and a multitude of RANGES of emotions and feeling-tones from one experience together — without any divisions or interpretations — but together they come and experiment with a full spectrum of emotions that seem to appear as the result of an action or an event.

So that gives them a specific perspective of experiencing multiple states of emotions simultaneously, without any of the lag that would be experienced in your reality, nor any of the differentiations of several people experiencing emotional states from events or situations and then coming together to share their perspective. In their reality, it would occur at once, a different version of simultaneous time, if you will. Does that answer your question?

NORM: We could go on and on from here, but it’s a good start.

PAUL: I just have a comment I want to bring into the conversation. Elias has talked about a primary aspect, that in our dimension, a single personality that rises up egoically as a primary aspect, so I hear you saying Kris, in these other dimensions, is a multiplicity of primary, co-primary aspects, is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: So that in the co-primary-ness, we even share between dimensions as a singular primary aspect and another dimension with, say, seven primary aspects — there’s still a common design in the primary aspect and Elias has talked about alternate self in this dimension and the example he uses is something to the effect that we don’t experience tremendous joy and tremendous agony simultaneously, as a primary aspect; as alternate selves go through that. And what I hear you saying is that in these other dimensions with co-primary multiples, they’re experiencing this incredible range of simultaneous joy and sorrow and so on and so forth. Is that anywhere near accurate?

KRIS: Indeed. Imagine then, how they experience orgasms!

(Uproarious laughter ensues which can only be heard coming from Toronto and Castaic at this moment because everyone else is muted; we were certainly cracking up at my house, and at the end of the session, everyone commented on Kris’ outrageous and hilarious comments.)

PAUL: Talk about multiple orgasms!!

KRIS: Indeed, you think you hit the high note when you experience YOUR version of multiple orgasms!

PAUL: Oh, what beautiful music that must be!

KRIS: Indeed, probably of such an intensity as to cause a near fragmentation of their core primary-ness!

PAUL: (Still chuckling) Yeah!

KRIS: Now, in some respects, you could very well be an alternative experimentation to these beings, could you not?

PAUL: Certainly.

KRIS: Could they in return also be an alternative experience to your own?

PAUL: Absolutely. There’s a common core of primary aspect involved in both dimensions.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:15.

KRIS: Are there any other questions?

TOM: This is Tom from New Jersey. I just have one question about these multiple aspects and multiple personalities coming together. Are they derived from different Essences, the same Essence, or a combination?

KRIS: Indeed they could be a bit of all. They could indeed be expressed as one Essence, they could be the coming together of several Essences,[and] they could be a mix of both.

Now we suggest that you rest your multidimensional selves, you ponder upon the mysteries and significances of your own being. Regardless if you are expressed in this dimension or another, still you are all perfectly lovely selves and that loveliness does shine forth.

We thank you for your kindness, your consideration and your support of Joseph’s and Philip’s efforts to share our humble voice with your patient ears and may your holiday season be truly blessed with the knowledge that you are indeed marvelous creatures all. We will return Joseph to you now.

(Session ends at 9:17 PM.)

Detailed Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene)

Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Ester (Benata)

Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Ann (Shanmular), Brian (Enzo)

Utah: Anya, Tammy, Gary

Oregon: Norm (Ambrose), Reta (Leihuu)

Hawaii: Tom (Desire)

Eugene, Oregon: Lisa

New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)

Rutherford, New Jersey: Tom S.

Tennessee: Carter

Tom from Hawaii

December 17, 2005

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Tom (Desiré)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 17, 2005
© Copyright 2006 Avion Rising, Inc.

(Session begins)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your consideration.

TOM: Hello Kris, its Tom (Desiré)

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Good to speak with you again.

KRIS: Likewise.

TOM: I don’t know if you had a chance to pick up on any of our conversation earlier with Joseph here. We were talking about the personality structure and different aspects of the personality structure: the unconscious, conscious, and the ego portion. I’d like to start with some questions on that.

You’ve spoken about the consciously directed portion of the ego. You’ve also talked about taking your conscious self along with you when you dream. The ego has been compared to a computer program that acts on input from the conscious self and its beliefs and as an interface to the unconscious. It also has also been said that the ego is multidimensional in nature.

Could you comment on the different aspects of the conscious self and the ego portion (of the self)? Are they one in the same? I guess there are really no divisions, but its just a different aspect of what I see consciously and of what my ego is – sometimes I feel that my ego is like a separate person – separate from me. Would you comment on that?

KRIS: Indeed, we have utilized the labeling of ego construction to specifically isolate this category of attributes or characteristics or traits that you would regularly refer to as the ego. The ego can be said to be a highly concentrated variety of aspects. It is not by any means the entire self. It is not the oft-referred (to) unconscious or inner self, but instead a projection of characteristics or traits, programs if you will, that carry out highly specific functions as an interface and a go-between from the objective to the subjective states.

If you utilize the idea of the symbol of a house, say as it appears in a dream, it would be your psyche, at least that much of yourself that you are able to recognize at any given time, which is not the entire self but your approximation in symbolic terms. Each room could easily represent then or symbolize various aspects of your own personality that together compose the house. The windows could themselves be considered then the ego. The ego is not a fixed or solid-state concrete or finished product, but it allows the perceptions to be exchanged from objective to subjective states.

When the ego becomes highly focused, as in when there is a great deal of concentration upon the subject matter of some kind or another, then we would compare that – instead of a window – to a keyhole, the old fashion keyhole through which you put your eye and see into the room. Do you follow that?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: This allows again an exchange of perceptions, but in an exceptionally concentrated manner, which simply means that you can barely see anything except what is directly in front of the keyhole. When there is less of a strangle hold upon the ego structure it returns to its window-like state from which much more of physical reality, objective reality is observable. You can have a wider angle of vision.

When there is deeper awakening, a widening of awareness within the individual, still the keyhole perspective or the singular window perspective can always be active or not, but there is a different perception that can be had over and above the previous two. This third perception is that, instead of a singular window per room, the walls would be transformed to a complete roundabout of windows. So instead of having one window per room in the house, you would have a circle of windows on the first, and possibly on the second floor.

TOM: You would live in a glass house.

KRIS: Almost, we would consider that the fourth stage where there is an even deeper awareness available, where even the walls, roof, the entire construction of the psyche or self allows observations on all states. Now it does not mean that you have no more privacy, but it means that you are able to see from a completely different angle in this manner, 360 degrees at 360 degrees.

TOM: All right, how would one obtain that? I can see the keyhole aspect would be from focusing your mind and meditating on a single thing. Then if you wanted wider vision, say more windows… Is that basically just growing more neurons and some type of training?

KRIS: Indeed, you have all of the necessary neurological processes already within, both physically or biologically and psychologically. What would be required though is practice: Exploring different perspectives, understanding more of the functions of awareness of consciousness, utilizing the properties of consciousness itself to widen your envisionment of reality. To go from the keyhole perspective, where one is excessively focused upon physical matter as the only avenue of expression, to the window (second stage), to the third stage where the entire walls are sheer windows; to the fourth stage where ceilings, floors, walls are all windows of perception.

Such practices do not necessarily develop over the course of one lifetime as you know it, but over the course of several lifetimes. Now, since lives occur simultaneously within the context of essence, then it would simply require an awareness of other focuses. But not strictly that alone, in the sense as, some people have done, where the idea is to become aware of all your famous focuses, and therefore you are enlightened. There are only so many times you can be Elvis Presley.

TOM: (Laughing)

KRIS: All kidding aside, other lives are far more complex than merely discovering if you have one or two or three – dozen famous focuses. But it also implies exploring the experience; say of a widow alone raising her six or ten children, and all of that which is implied including the suffering.

TOM: So not necessarily just exploring perhaps a highly contemplative life where a person is meditating all the time – but to actually look at all the other highs and lows… variety.

KRIS: Indeed, understanding what it is like for example, of being a mother in the process of giving birth knowing that as soon as the child is born, you may have to die, of a father seeing his children taken into slavery or of a husband having to leave behind wife and children – all of the gambit of the human experience in all of its colors.

TOM: It seems to imply highly emotionally charged situations, and not really situations where there’s a lot of logic involved (like) in pure science…

KRIS: Indeed, it does not exclude the more cerebral lifetimes; on the contrary it would also include those. They also provide a different kind of background for life journeys, and they are as valid, but they are not the only prerequisite. It may also include lifetimes of contemplation in monasteries, abbeys, nunneries, or of various religious experiences. So many of human experiences available, but there are others as well that may not even be, specifically physical experiences, other aspects of your own Essence that are engaged in activities that do not necessitate a physical focus.

And these are some of the venues that can be available. And over and above all of these things, first and foremost is the ability to know yourself, to understand yourself, to know what motivates you, what are some of your patterns – both constructive and destructive. That, plus the ability to empathize what it is like to be in the others shoes, are some of the prime ingredients.

It can also be of great use to get out of ones head and into ones heart and flesh. We have encountered many individuals who profess a depth of spiritual understanding and knowledge, but have not themselves allowed any of those adventures to be part of their flesh. It is merely intellectual, as another means to deny that they are putting down, discounting, or even trying to negate their physical experience, but instead profess an (short pause) a metaphysical lag perspective. Do you understand what we mean?

TOM: I think you’re talking about kind of escaping the emotional reality and just living in a safe logical heaven where everything has rules – and is based on logic like a computer program.

KRIS: There is that or even those who are strictly stuck in a fantasy world of spirituality without understanding that the body, that fleshy construction is itself just as spiritual an experience as any you fantasize about. It is not an impediment to an evolving integral view of life. It is a very necessary component.

TOM: Yes. I see how logically one might think that it would be an impediment.

KRIS: So many teachings advocate that the ego must die for you to be reborn, for you to transcend your physicality. And that very act itself is a grave impediment to the desired outcome.

TOM: So to summarize then, it’s basically the empathy of getting to know yourself and all your different aspects in different lifetimes. All the probabilities and alternative paths you’ve taken – to be able to empathize and to shift perspectives occasionally so that you can use knowledge from other lifetimes.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: Say if (my) interest was “I want to make better decisions in life”, so that I need to know a little bit about the future paths coming up, so that if there are three paths ahead I can use my instinct and say “this is the one I should take” – I should take (path) A, not B or C. In this creation you may not have that skill. However it’s likely to have developed in another reality.

KRIS: It may even be developing in this present moment. For example, you may be employed in a situation that requires you to make very important financial decisions. Perhaps you are a consultant to a board of directors for finances and you need to make certain decisions – perhaps even based on minimal knowledge. You could, as an example, explore those directions of future selves where similar situations and positive outcomes have – in their own realm – already been sorted out, as an indicator to your choices here.

You could still, over and above this, leave the door open for impulse or intuition to step in, knowing that you have faith in that process, in your abilities to gather information over and above your own conscious perceptions. Now perhaps you may have investigated three or four probable timelines where favorable decisions were had. But you would still allow more information to come through even if you are not consciously aware of it.

And you may be on the verge of making a decision when out of left field comes your intuition, your impulses, that nudge you into making a decision slightly different then the one you thought you were consciously going to settle for. Because other portions of yourself have perhaps explored even more venues, and found the probable time lines that give even greater benefit than the one that you thought you were going to settle on. You did your job, per say, from your vantage point as a conscious human being. There is a part of you that is grater than merely the conscious decision making process of you. And that part may have actually have gone beyond your own parameters to bring back information even more suitable to your situation.

The idea here is that you have sufficient awareness to recognize when that kind of impulse or intuition knocks at the door – even though you thought you had made the best available choice to you. And then you would act upon the impulse that comes in.

TOM: You mentioned that – I guess that what I’m envisioning here is that perhaps some of the choices I’ve made have been to explore other paths that are useful… I mean, in order to know which paths to take and which paths not to take – because there are some less fruitful than others – if you’re on a less fruitful path, you’ve actually been helping the entire self understand all the different paths available to make better decisions in say another lifetime. Then from this point in the present you can utilize these skills to make better decisions?

KRIS: This is a possibility but you need not consciously concern yourself overly with the idea that some of your more challenging choices are helping other aspects of yourself. They also affect you and even though some of those decisions might appear to put you at a disadvantage in one form or another that is the ego’s perception. It is not necessarily the whole ball of wax. It might be that this decision that appears challenging or less fruitful, that actually have been made as a conscious choice in order to correct yet other kinds of choices – have been made in order to balance out a greater decision still that will only appear in retrospect.

So there is still a kind of biological faith that is available to you because the atoms and the molecules that compose the cellular structure of your body are themselves made up of units of consciousness. And those units of consciousness are everywhere in time-space, and still are linked to this idea of you in that moment point. And in their grater vantage point have recognized – by you taking certain actions that only appear to be faulty or a challenge to your present perception – may actually bring about greater changes that will affect you completely differently once you move through that phase of experience. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes it does. Can I ask a question – when you say the phrase “viewing it from the ego’s perspective” I hear that a lot and also I’ve heard “You’re viewing that from a linear perspective” and I’m wondering, should I not be viewing things from the ego’s perspective – should I be viewing things from a non-linear perspective – what is a non-linear perspective? Is it taking into account the bigger picture with simultaneous time or is there some other way we should be thinking rather than linear?

KRIS: And the answer would be YES to all. You cannot deny or squelch the ego’s perspective. It is part of the psychological makeup of your being. Once you have made yourself aware of that perspective you may also decide to consult with the wider aspect of self – to include the ego’s perceptions but with the notion of widening that perspective even more.

This does several things at once. It habituates the ego construction, teaches it in a manner of speaking that all of the decisions of your life do not have to rest upon its shoulders alone. It does not carry, or have to carry the burden of your existence. And “burden” is merely to facilitate the idea, it does not have to consider this task a burden, it has help, it has assistance. But western teachings, the western way of life, do not bring about – or easily facilitate the recognition of other avenues of assistance to the ego construction.

It is often taught that one has to be careful of deluding oneself. One has to guard against too much unconscious. That within the human mind, within the unconscious, there might be dangerous creatures about. Correct?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: So it is no wonder that many people actually might be frightened; fearful of exploring unconscious territory for fear that there are beasts within that will devour them. This is not an uncommon interpretation.

TOM: Yes, I’ve found it very common that most people I’ve talked to are very scared to talk to you on the phone. I say, “Come over and talk (to Kris)” and they say “no way” – they don’t want to do it. I guess its just part of their conditioning – the unconscious is dangerous – and they don’t want to see their entire life change – like to go down the rabbit hole and there’s no way back.

KRIS: Indeed. They have yet to understand the extent to which they create and manifest their own existence. And that is a frightening prospect to many because there are hidden benefits to – playing the victim for example. But that may be another can of worms.

TOM: Like flying a plane on autopilot.

KRIS: Indeed, in such cases then it is easier to blame others when things seemingly go wrong in one’s life. You can blame family members, employers, employees, government, and so on and so forth – you may even blame divine beings for your lot in life. There are certain advantages to be had from that, for many take pity upon the poor victim. If you change the rules and become responsible for your actions, and the outcomes of those feelings and thoughts and perspectives and expectations – the end result of which is physical reality manifest. It creates an entirely different game. One then is responsible to one self for the actions and the consequences. There is no harsher critic than oneself. Therefore, it is best to meet the enemy without than to meet the enemy within – in a manner of speaking, of course. There is no enemy without – or within.

TOM: So then the concept of the tainted self that is a belief that the ego program acts on, and that effects the conscious portion of the personality?

KRIS: That is partially correct. When such beliefs are engrained within a society and a culture, or across several cultures for several millennia, and it more or less permeates the very fabric of that society to the core, it is difficult then to a certain degree to bring about changes – to actually bring an about face, and the recognition that you are not tainted – stained with iniquity from even before your birth. In fact, you might actually be colored with loving intentions. That puts on a different onus. The ideas of a civilization could radically and profoundly be changed if such a concept actually took root. It would not dissipate duplicity, but the premise of your civilization would be quite different.

The idea that you must screw the other before he screws you might not necessarily be relevant any more. The idea that man must dominate the environment may be transformed into its original statement of mankind / humankind being a steward of the earth and the environment. Mankind might no longer see itself as the epitome of creation – the summit of evolution, but instead as the conscious expression of physical reality.

And there might be no need then to wish to dominate, to control, and to eventually eliminate the natural phenomenon of the world by clearing out forests, emptying crude petroleum reserves, polluting waters, ignoring the atmosphere, but instead gentle loving technologies would have been born that do not damage the environment and put human lives at risk – because there would have been an innate call to respect others because oneself is respected.

TOM: Hmm. I have a question on… When we think about the conscious, the ego, and the unconscious, are we then focused on the unconscious portion of the self as: a portion of the self perhaps (focused in) other lifetimes or future probabilities – is that the unconscious portion – or is the unconscious portion… I guess it has never been really well described to me. Here are a couple of examples: You mentioned in the last international session that we were all together in the dream state having a conversation. I would imagine that’s the unconscious self or another portion of the self that the conscious self is not aware of.

KRIS: That is correct.

TOM: Would you describe that unconscious portion – is that a different person – is that the same person as me? Would that unconscious portion say the same things in a room full of people that I would, or…?

KRIS: It might not even have the need for words, but instead use its native telepathic abilities communicating with others in the same state so rapidly that the conscious mind would not even be able to register those communications – at least for the time being, until it gradually seeps or trickles down to the level of the conscious mind and can then be translated into syntax that you have been trained to recognize and interpret into words and into the actions of everyday life.

TOM: Would that be a transformation of non-linear information to linear information?

KRIS: Indeed, consider your computer terminals: a terminal here and a terminal where you are, separated by approximately 2500 to 3000 miles more or less. Those computers could be communicating with each other. The communication that is in the pipes – so to speak – in transit, is binary code. But once it reaches the terminal, software and hardware work together to translate that code into text that would gradually appear as words, sentences, paragraphs, and so on – on to the monitor. Do you follow that?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: Similarly, between and behind the scene there are vast amounts of information being exchanged but it is in a form that is not linear. And eventually it trickles down through the various layers of the personality, the belief structures and so on. It may even first appear as imagery in your dreams, or intuitive imagery when you are awake – flashes of intuition, of understanding, innate knowledge that seems to sprout from within – into terms that you can relate to.

Now, Seth described the inner senses and these are the psychological mechanisms involved in the translations and the exchanges of information at layers of the self that are entirely non-linear, that maybe even exist in their own realms having very little to do with physical construction. But instead fluid and rapidly morphing imagery that might not even be picked up by the conscious mind until such time as (an) adequate base of realization has been built up by the individual, to take that kind of information and make sense of it at the linear level.

TOM: Is that similar to the process where – when Jane Roberts received information she said I can see a channel over here and she would point at a portion of the room – and I’m getting this over there…

KRIS: Indeed, that is correct. Joseph is also able on specific occasions to determine which channel, so to speak, he can tune into and then have that information delivered.

TOM: This transformation pipe, if you will, is also found in the dream state…

KRIS: That is correct.

TOM: Where something is out there and it makes no sense to you in the state that its in but once you -kind of tune in – look inside that pipe, then it all seems to come together in its own natural way, it makes sense to the linear mind and can be remembered.

KRIS: That is also correct. And this is necessary processes for, with, and during your human journey that allows you to experience a different perspective, chosen by you for your evolution, for reasons you understand, and perhaps not consciously yet. But you cannot have experience without you having chosen it in one form or another before hand.

This is not pre-destiny, you’ve made choices, and you may even make these choices almost instantaneously, because you are literally sifting through dozens, hundreds, if not thousands of probabilities at a rate far beyond that that even the biggest supercomputers on your planet can process. And that is where you use that beautiful capacity, that critical faultily of free will to make that choice, to allow that choice to become the focal point. And that is a quality almost unique to the human experience.

We have our own version of free will, but it is on a different category, a different order of free will, if you wish. And all of this that we have discussed with you so far still has to be experienced by and through the ego construction. And the beauty of this is that the ego does not have to be felt alone, left out, or denied its own greater source of being but instead grows in awareness because it recognizes that its foundations are far more solid than it thought. It does not have to hold the weight of your world vision on its tiny little legs, but instead it is being supported by a massive base of loving-nurturing source. It therefore becomes a helpmate in your own spiritual evolution and understanding.

TOM: Now, could I ask a question on the unconscious?

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: When we think of different aspects of ourselves, we can describe it and give you an idea of what it’s like. We all feel that we know our conscious self. You’ve described quite a bit the ego: how you can’t tell it what to do, you need to suggest things to it, work with it. Then there’s the unconscious portion of the self. What type of personality does it have? Here’s an example: If somebody is socially inept and they go to a party, cocktail party, and they’re the kind of person that just kind of keeps to themselves and doesn’t talk to anybody – and you mentioned this thing about the dream state where everybody was communicating. Does the unconscious self have the kind of personality where (say) the person’s unconscious self might be more social than the other (conscious self) – or perhaps my unconscious self was sitting in a corner (in the dream state) with its hands over its head while everyone else was talking – I don’t know.

KRIS: This is an example of what we mean by linear perspective or ego perspective. There is nothing wrong with what you have described, but if you reach beyond that and recognize that the characteristics that you have explained actually only lie with – or are a make up of – the ego itself. Your so-called unconscious self – which is far more conscious than you are – is closely related to source.

TOM: Ah, more like Essence then.

KRIS: Indeed, therefore, if you were in a room full of people, even though physically you might feel shy, reticent, hesitant about communicating with others lest you be rejected or embarrass yourself. At that other level of existence, all individuals in that room are having a great deal of fun.

Perhaps in a crude manner you may consider various clouds converging into one location. Now when they come together they seem to merge. All of the various individual clouds come together at a specific point and seem to merge together. But these clouds still have momentum and would literally pass through each other. They will exchange droplets of humidity, dust particles, ionic charges, and so on and so forth. Certainly, pollution will also be exchanged – we do after all have to keep it real. And because of the initial momentum there will be all of these exchanges but they will still keep moving, eventually to separate again. Now each would return to its somewhat original state, but it will have been added to and it will have added to the others. And they would then each go their separate ways.

And though this is a slightly crude analogy, it could be considered valid in the sense that when Essence meets, it is like a cloud of consciousness. Various essences share, have exchanges, do not need to use words, but instead will communicate with imagery and feeling tone in such a manner that entire lifetimes may be exchanged upon immediate contact. And those entire lifetimes include all of the activities pre-birth post-death to the various focuses. And his may occur in a flash, while linearly your actions have to be interpreted through the neurological processes that you’re accustom to in time sequences according to the firing of the neurons in your brain’s makeup. You will interpret them with the movement of time. That does not mean that you cannot reach out and enjoy conversing with others. Please proceed.

TOM: Oh, I had one other question. It’s kind of like a personal experience here. I’ve noticed that when I feel unworthy or overly arrogant, I sometimes – just recently I’ve been doing this – I set my focus to another portion of myself and I just kind of look over to the side and say “is this your doing?” and its like I’m directing my question to my ego, which has become suspect. I feel it take a step back when I confront it, and this is sometimes accompanied by an instant mood change, where I feel better or not so guilty. Is….

KRIS: When did you also play this game?

TOM: Just recently, it’s been coming up last month or so.

KRIS: Do you remember in childhood when you did things and parents or elders looked at you in that sort of or semi-accusatory manner?

TOM: Hmm. Yes.

KRIS: And your own moods changed immediately. Do you see a similarity?

TOM: So, I’m like the parent to my ego, which is the child?

KRIS: In a manner of speaking you have taken on that role, as was done with you when you were young. It does not mean that this is harmful – or anything of that manner. But it is a process that you have recognized and it can be very useful. You might enhance the situation by taking a softer approach – still observing what has just occurred – but in a more accepting manner, supportive, nurturing, that you have done some actions at one time or another, it left you with a slightly unpleasant after-taste, and you wish to correct that behavior. And this is an excellent method to start the process of correcting habitual mental patterns.

So you have, in your own way, made observations and become aware of how you store certain information, certain actions and their feelings afterwards. Knowing also that the action, the after-effects, in a manner of speaking, were part of what you wanted to extract from that experience. Because the action must first exist at that inner level, that inner field of events was used to create the psychological event, which is then projected outwardly into the outward field of events, onto the canvas of physical life. That is how you and every other human being learn. That is how you process. Does that make sense to you?

TOM: Yes. That inner reality that you’re talking about is like a framework two?

KRIS: You could again refer to it as the unconscious, that inner field that you called imagination. By learning to pay attention what we have described as the Triple “A” method is also an excellent tool to observe how you image your situations, even if slightly beyond the ordinary reach of the conscious mind. Almost unconsciously you still create mental imagery filled with feeling tones, expectations, excreta. And it is then projected out into physical reality. The outcome is the events that you then experience in your feelings. So it exists first in that inner state.

TOM: To become aware of and think about that inner state – realizing that it exist there first – acknowledging that.

KRIS: Indeed and the more you do, the more you will notice that you may indeed engage in those kinds of inner dialogs on a continual basis and you move your attention towards it and away from it consistently. When you shift your attention away from it there is this free reign to turn up into physical reality. Now not everything that you envision or imagine in that state ends up manifesting in physical reality. If everything that crossed your mind ended up in physical reality you would be in trouble. So you have a discerning element to your consciousness, as does everyone, which is again another aspect of yourself that understands what experiences that you actually wish to extract from physical reality, from the events you have imagined.

TOM: Ok, this other aspect of the self, is the unconscious portion of the self – is similar to Essence but is not one of my aspects of Essence that I have, per say.

KRIS: It is still yours. …

TOM: But it is not Essence? You wouldn’t just say, “Oh that’s your Essence”

KRIS: It is part of the entire package. But you cannot point to your nose and say that is me. That is merely your nose.

TOM: But the unconscious portion of the self is an expression of Essence? And is not Essence itself?

KRIS: It is part of. Since Essence is not a specific thing but a process – then indeed it is part of that process. And it is absolutely fundamentally essential when there is an Expression of Essence that is occurring in physical manifestation. Otherwise, without that assistant, you would again get yourself in plenty of hot water. Now may we inquire as to the time?

TOM: Oh, its 3:29 – our time is up.

KRIS: Indeed.

TOM: It was very good Kris – (You) shined a lot of light on the subject.

KRIS: And we thank you for your curiosity and patients.

TOM: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: And we will release Joseph to you – not that he’s bound as a prisoner – but we will simply return him to you. And may you have wonderful holidays.

TOM: Thank you.

(End of session – part 1)

(The following are notes from my memory as the recorder was turned off)

I spoke with Serge for a few minutes after Kris had left. As we talked the other dimensions of PI that Kris had referenced in a previous session came up. I told Serge about a math class that I had taken…

“There is this mathematical transform that is very interesting. Say you have an axis that goes out to infinity; it approaches infinity but never really gets there because there’s always something more, an unending process.”

“However when you transform this axis to a Riemann Sphere – infinity becomes a point on the North Pole of this sphere with radius one and there is this factor of pi…”

Kris came back to comment:

(Serge turned the recorder back on)

KRIS: Indeed you are discussing a very interesting topic, and of course when you project infinity in any of its flavors it has to be viewed from the perspective of the linear or conscious mind. That is how you imagine infinity, knowing full well that this is impossibility – but you must give it some reference. The point being that when you examine your infinity point, your moment point, it has to rest upon a background as well. And it could be said that this infinity point itself rests upon a larger infinity point, which must rest upon a larger infinity point, itself against a larger still infinity point. Because that is a part of the description of infinity, that it is infinite, it knows no boundaries, no beginning, no end, no time, and no space. And yet the context of your own lives exist with infinity as a backdrop. Does that also make sense?

TOM: Yes.

KRIS: And within that context you lead your lives unconcerned as to the notion of infinity itself, because you concentrate upon the moment, and you proceed from moment to moment without realizing that your own existence is couched within the context of an infinite variety of infinities. And it cannot get more poetic than that. Because for as small as your lives seem against an infinite backdrop of infinities, you do not recall that you have created those backdrops yourselves as the canvas upon which you biologically paint your lives – all of them – all of the Expressions of Essence that you could possibly imagine and beyond. Out spread upon this vast canvas. And that which you consider the unconscious – moving closer to the state of Essence – actually engulfs all of the infinities that you can imagine, because infinity is merely another moment point to Essence.

TOM: Well, is that similar to the mathematics of the Riemann Sphere where a line is mapped to a sphere of radius one, and the North Pole is said to be the point of infinity?

KRIS: That point of infinity is literally consumed with multiple points of infinity. They are not singular but collective. There are multiple infinities within multiple infinities. We have in the past described that the universe is Holoncentric and that or those universes are themselves are made up of an infinite variety of Holoncentric universes themselves. Even the units of consciousness are concentric. And everything revolves around that notion. There are infinite varieties of infinities within which you play out the dramas of your existences, in all of the forms that you can imagine and still more.

TOM: Is this transformation between dimensions, is that where the factor of pi, the hidden dimensions of pi come in?

KRIS: Simultaneous time has to be taken into consideration with pi in its higher dimensions. Now there is a momentum of energy necessary for the transformations between one dimension and another, because each dimension has its specific set of physics. And even though the physics in one dimension may resemble the physics in another, there might still be more than subtle differences, or differentiations that make each dimension unique. The momentum necessary to go from one to the other can indeed be part of the equation for the higher dimensions of pi.

TOM: I thought so, ok. I thought that would have something to do with it. I wouldn’t see how it was limited to three or four. The dimensions continue – going onto the core self – infinitely.

KRIS: That is correct, however for the majority of individuals, even the mathematics and the realities of pi as you understand them in your physical reality are more than enough to boggle the mind, never mind having any kind of higher dimensions involved here.

TOM: Ok.

KRIS: Now we will leave you to your ponderings in this small pond of reality that it is.

TOM: Thank you.

(End of session)

Imagination Party

December 11, 2005

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 11, 2005
© Copyright 2006 Avion Rising, Inc.

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Shara-Leene), John (Sohars), Lida (Miriam), Joshua (Midora), Michelle and Alan.

[MARK’S NOTES: At the end of the previous week’s session Kris asked us to come as someone else. Here is the quote:

KRIS: …And we have a suggestion for the next gathering, if you are up to the challenge. Imagine that you are someone else. If you need to, you may even dress up in a manner suitable to the self you imagine yourself to be, and come as that individual, with the awareness of who you are, as well as who you imagine yourself to be. And pay attention to the various states, including the go-between. Do you understand?]

(7:31 PM Session Begins)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable and we thank you for your consideration, and we acknowledge our new visitor, who is, this evening we believe, two in one, as most of you are as well. (Laughter) For those of you who have pondered the idea of coming as someone else, we would enjoy your perspective and intent with this and who would be so brave as to share that?

(Long pause, then laughter)

MYRNA: I, Kris…I would.

KRIS: Feel free.

MYRNA: Thank you. Well, my name is Candy. (Laughter from group, including Myrna)

KRIS: Are you a nurse?

MYRNA: (Laughing uproariously) No. My intent…..um….I am still struggling with the belief that somehow money is going to make my life more difficult. That somehow, what I associate with money, and the people I associate with money are not aspects of myself that I like, so I decided to come as a woman who has a great deal of money, and is thoroughly enjoying herself with no guilt attached. I’d like to know what that’s like, the no guilt attached.

KRIS: And what kind of mindset, or mentality does this individual entertain? What is she focused on?

MYRNA: Pleasure. (Pause) Although I’m still having a hard time being her! (Group laughter, Myrna’s loudest of all) I have this feeling it’s got to be hard! (Group cracks up) Sorry! So I just thought I’d…I’d like to play with this. I don’t know how else to get it into my system!

KRIS: Well then, perhaps you can put Myrna aside and simply immerse yourself in the atmosphere of this individual. (Pause) As Candy, how do you view the world?

MYRNA: Well, I just had a moment of imagining being on the Aegean Sea, and seeing it, really seeing the sea, and that’s not a lot of difference than when I see the sky when I’m here in Toronto. So….how do I view the world? I view the world as….um….as sensuous, to be delighted in.

KRIS: Now you are certain you are in character?

MYRNA: No….No, I’m not, actually. No. I having a feeling of Candy as being a party girl and really superficial. (Group giggles)

MARK: In other words she’s got her own life challenges.

MYRNA: Yes, she does.

MICHELLE: She doesn’t know it, though.

MYRNA: Well, she’s somebody who doesn’t spend a lot of time worrying about her life challenges. You know, she just….life is to be lived, although I can’t imagine why I chose her.

KRIS: We know. It is for you to reason it out. Now we believe it is important that you slip into that character. How does it — being Candy — feel like?

MYRNA: Um….Oh, I don’t know…Kris, I’m having a hard time, because I’m so intense in life, whereas I’m getting a sense of her as not…

JOHN: Languorous.

MYRNA: Languorous! (Laughs) Yes, that was the word I used — languorous! Life is just easy…life is easy! That’s as far as I can go.

KRIS: Pretend for one moment that there is nothing in you but Candy. You ARE Candy. Now we wish to ask Candy a question.

MYRNA: Okay.

KRIS: What do you think of this character that is called Myrna?

MYRNA: I find her very dull. Very dull! She’s very heavy, she doesn’t know how to play.

KRIS: Can you teach her some of that? To have fun? To become footloose?

MYRNA: I think I can! (Laughing)

KRIS: What else do you think you can do to help assist in her fun with Myrna?

MYRNA: Well, I could probably lend her some of my money!

(Uproarious laughter among the group)

MARK: I was waiting for that!

MYRNA: (Still laughing) Oh, wow…even playing her now like this…uh…I feel lighter. (Sighs) I think what I could do is remind Myrna of parts of……I see a lot of me in Myrna years ago. I could remind her of that part, those parts.

KRIS: One helpful suggestion is considering the possibility of sharing with Myrna some of your own moods and perspectives and attitudes; allowing those elements to flow, perhaps through dream states or daydreams, towards the character of Myrna. And of course, she is entirely free to pick up the ball and run with it, but that is also something you do well, so you can encourage her in that direction also. Do you think that is something Myrna would be amenable to do?

MYRNA: Yes, because….because there’s loving intent.

KRIS: And did you notice that when Myrna assumed that you would be superficial, that in some respects that is part of her own challenge towards being more prosperous in thinking perhaps of those who are may indeed become superficial and shallow and thus when Myrna does not want to become superficial, she automatically blocks what she thinks comes with superficiality: abundance. Did you notice that, Candy?

MYRNA: No, but Myrna knows it.

KRIS: That is an interesting perspective that you can assist Myrna with.

MYRNA: I can use my imagination here to imagine that I can do that. Thank you.

KRIS: Being a party girl is obviously something that requires a lot of imagination, so we are certain you can share. Will that do you for now?

MYRNA: Yes. Thank you.

KRIS: Now, what does Myrna think of that?

MYRNA: Uh, I am having a hard time getting past…..I’m having a hard time, Kris, getting past the belief that abundance is not going to take me away from my spiritual ground. I…I SO am anchored in believing that I see abundance around me and the people are heartless! I mean I know I’m making judgments here, I know that, but I’m….

KRIS: What do you think would happen if you instantly recognized that some of those ideas are perhaps without foundation? That they can run like sand through your fingers and be taken by the wind? In other words, even though you think you are having a hard time getting past this belief, simultaneously you are already able to get past it. It is a matter of allowing. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Well, it does on an intellectual level, it makes sense.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: The matter of allowing, I can work with that.

KRIS: Good. As any therapist worth his or her salt would say: Our time is up!

(Group cracks up)

MYRNA: That’s Himalayan salt of course! (Laughter)

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Thank you.

KRIS: Midora, you also came as someone else?

JOSHUA: Yes, I did. I came as a person that I live with, and I struggle in my relationship with him. I love him as a brother, I don’t really like him. The work I’ve done principally with that is to try and figure out where I’m not free. When he’s around I’m wondering what parts of myself I’m seeing in him that I don’t like. So I thought I’d come as him to try to understand him better, to get to know him better in that sense and to understand where some of my own judgments are coming from.

KRIS: As you have undertaken to more or less approximate this individual’s own perspectives, what do you sense has been some of his challenges?

JOSHUA: Transparency….um, trust. (Pause) Dealing with fear… Fear is probably a major one.

KRIS: And as YOUR self, how do you perceive that you are handling similar issues?

JOSHUA: I struggle with trust… Issues of trust and I often step into negative fear-based spirituality. So, I can meet him on all these grounds. In a way I understand him very well. It’s a matter of trying to like and not dislike him (inaudible).

KRIS: When you recognize the similarities in your struggles, you also recognize the similarities [in] the fact that both of you may not necessarily like each other, correct?

JOSHUA: That’s right.

KRIS: Now, of course it is one thing to love others, and in that light you are not obliged to LIKE them, though you may love them dearly.

JOSHUA: That’s right.

KRIS: If you were to shine that light onto yourself, how do you think that you could react or respond differently in the future?

JOSHUA: By shining it on myself, I would want the constant reminder to be more forgiving and gentle with myself and……a calling to an attentiveness so that I can be more aware of where I am spiritually so that I catch myself before I go into a fear-based negative spirituality. And it’s also a matter of changing some of the imagery that I use. I have to come up with positive, healthier imagery.

KRIS: In so many words, this can be broken down to Acknowledging, Addressing and Accepting of your own challenges and what is perceived perhaps as shortcomings in your own personality makeup. And specifically by accepting even those perceived shortcomings as a necessary part of your own developmental psychology you may reflect that onto this individual and be accepting, because you are able to more readily accept your own developmental stages. Does that make sense to you?

JOSHUA: Yes, it does. I just have to figure out how to do that. (Group laughter)

MYRNA: Don’t we all!

KRIS: It is far easier to pretend to accept the other than to accept oneself, but we can assure you that if you begin in the opposite direction, accepting of your own self, and shine that acceptance onto the other — or any other — it will be more than easy. It will establish a far more solid foundation about your own growth. Thus the growth struggles of other individuals will seem less frightening to you. Does that also make sense?

JOSHUA: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Once you have sorted all of that in the next three or four hundred years (Group chuckles), you may feel far more secure in your own being! Now, all kidding aside, accepting of your own self will already nurture others. You will be more quickly cast into the mindset of nurturing of others. Do you follow?

JOSHUA: Yes.

KRIS: (Pause) Someone else, perhaps? (Pause) [Jokingly] We are certain there is one OR TWO that we spy.

JOHN: Well, Kris, I am Hans Knechtel, a 75-year-old German, born in Bavaria, pretty set in my ways, a Protestant, but not very religious. I have a wife, Maria, and three children, and I really like hot chocolate and apple strudel in the morning and peppermint schnapps at night.

KRIS: What does Hans feel like?

JOHN: Hans is basically pretty happy. He has a wife, he has children, he has grandchildren; he’s done all that. There’s one or two little things he’s not really that proud of: everything he did during the war, but that was a long, long time ago and the world has changed, so he’s getting more comfortable with some of those experiences. He’s thinking he’s had a pretty good life….and he loves schnapps.

KRIS: Why did you tune into that character?

JOHN: I’m not…

KRIS: In other words, what are you offsetting here?

JOHN: Well, I was — when you were talking to the others I was thinking a little bit about that…. I think that I’m offsetting a little…..Hans did the whole family thing: the wife, the children, the career and I think I haven’t done the family thing and don’t intend to, so I think that may be what’s offsetting there, a little bit. He may be showing me some of the pleasures and satisfactions and development opportunities of doing the family thing.

KRIS: And if Hans were to reflect upon John’s character and life, what kind of observations and thoughts would come to his mind?

JOHN: Well, I think he would feel….I feel in him….I think he would feel that I was an artistic temperament and that allowances need to be made, but honestly, I have not made much of an effort to be substantial and successful. I think he’d feel I’ve wasted my life so far.

KRIS: And in all sincerity, WHY would you consider that parts of your own life have been wasted? What kind of beliefs do you give safe harbor to?

JOHN: I think that I may have….I think that “wasted” is too strong….here I’m John, rather than Hans….as John, I disagree, I don’t think I’ve wasted my life — ALTHOUGH, I did spend twenty-two years as a member of Eckankar (Laughs self-deprecatingly) and this was the exact time frame in which Jane’s Seth works were coming out into the world and I don’t know, but there’s part of me that thinks that I might have spent those twenty years more beneficially, rather than just parking myself in Eckankar for twenty years.

KRIS: So we assume that, for the time being, that is your excuse and you are sticking to it.

JOHN: That’s my story and I’m sticking to it, yeah.

KRIS: Overall, if you had to reconcile any aspects of both of these individuals, what would they be?

JOHN: “Reconcile aspects of both of these individuals”……I’m not sure I quite understand the question.

KRIS: The question would lead to a third character, would it not?

JOHN: Oh, I see what you’re saying! Yes, yes. Uh, yeah, so I’m getting Sohars there and in other words…

KRIS: Quite.

JOHN: …and Sohars is finding value in both of those….and I do too! I mean I see value enhances life! Definitely! I mean having a family and uh…..and there’s something lovely about Germany, (musingly) something kind of nice about living in Germany, it’s like a fairy tale or something….lot of chocolate!

(Everyone cracks up)

KRIS: You obviously enjoy a different Germany than many Germans! (Laughter)

JOHN: Yes….yes, I did think about this…being Hans for awhile and then being John and then what’s in between there, and what’s fun — this is a fun exercise because it helps me shake off to some degree a little bit of the John mood and tone and to jump into the Hans mood and tone, and then to shake off that and sort of not really be in either mood or tone, but have a meta-tone that encompasses and values them both.

KRIS: And how does John rest with this?

JOHN: I’m happy with it. I see it as a useful exercise. I have a sneaking feeling that Hans may be more than my imagination. (Laughs) It’s of course a delightful and titillating idea.

KRIS: In that you are correct. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:04

KRIS: Perhaps one more before break.

LIDA: I am a famous violinist, it can be somebody from the past like (inaudible: famous historical violinist) or it could be somebody who plays NOW, in this time, Pavarotti or Midori or whoever, and I admire in my life all the creative energy and the feeling that I can get lost in my music and uh…actually I MAKE music, I don’t own it….and being Lida, I guess I miss it. I don’t have it in my life.

KRIS: Here is a perhaps interesting perspective. Not quite from violinist — musical person — but more so from the standpoint of the music. How does the music feel, being interpreted through this character?

LIDA: It depends on the character, because everybody plays the same note differently. Each person perceives music differently.

KRIS: And how does THIS music, created and played by this character feel?

LIDA: Very passionate.

KRIS: So this character infuses his works with passion.

LIDA: Yes.

KRIS: And does Lida feel that somehow or other there is some passion missing?

LIDA: Ah, that must be the case! I’m quite happy with my life, but it is sort of everyday life and I think a hobby….I love listening to music, but to be able to create music by playing would be wonderful. I did some piano playing when I was young, it never amounted to much, I mean I finished it, but since six or seven, nothing.

KRIS: How would you as the musician share some of your passion and your passionate music with Lida?

LIDA: I think I would invite her to one of my concerts, but I have a feeling that it would not be enough.

KRIS: Now, as Lida, how do you think you can incorporate some of that passion into your day?

LIDA: Finding a new hobby. Make music or, or something else.

KRIS: How do you see that?

LIDA: I think I need to do some research on something serious creative…..a hobby.

[Kris makes a joke here, but the laughter drowns him out on the recording.]

(Raucous group laughter)

LIDA: I think so!

KRIS: We are ALMOST certain that it would be more pleasurable. Do you see yourself making the necessary steps to investigate how you can go about adding some passion in your moments?

LIDA: Yes.

KRIS: And can that sort of self begin by being passionate?

LIDA: I think so. It will take time, but I have always wanted to paint, I have some free time so I have indulged myself for some classes. But these are still baby steps.

KRIS: They are very important steps. We are certain that you will play the appropriate scenario to lead you to where that passion will draw you. Many artists, whether they be sculptors, painters, musicians, singers, or otherwise, often think that their art or craft is the outlet for their passion. However it would also be as true to say that their passion — that passion, that flame that burns within them — actually sculpts or paints the existence they need to LIVE those moments. Does that make sense?

LIDA: Yes, very much so.

KRIS: Even the greatest pianist, for example, can play the most complex arrangements of ivories in the world – if there is no passion, if it is all rote, notes learned by heart and repetition — then those notes will ring on deaf ears. Do you understand?

LIDA: Yes.

KRIS: So adding a little spice in your exploration will definitely give you a different picture of yourself and the world. Do not be hesitant or afraid to step into that world. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:13

KRIS: Indeed, we will allow a small break, and even though some of you have thought up to now this is rather benign, this is after all the first part!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: Yes, we kind of knew that!

(Break begins at 8:13)

JOHN: That was great, eh?

MARK: Yeah, that was wonderful.

MYRNA: I LOVE these exercises! Kris, more!! (Laughter)

JOHN: Well, you know what I like is that….We are adding more…to the thing. It’s more of a partnership, you know?

MYRNA: Yeah.

JOHN: Instead of just a monologue, it’s now this…

MYRNA: Yeah, it’s shifted for us into a new direction.

General agreements all around that the group is enjoying these sort of sessions. Mark says that he got more insights into his own self issues just by listening to everyone else. The point is made that there seems to be a common theme running through the exercise. Myrna tells Lida that the idea that passion carves out the life of the self struck a deep chord within her.

MARK: (To Myrna) Question for you: what would Myrna do with money?

MYRNA: Actually, two things came up when you asked me that. I want to see more of the physical plane. Being with Kris, I recognize there are aspects of me, everywhere, and I don’t know enough yet! I want that. The other is, there are young women around the world, whether Pakistan, or Afghanistan or Africa…I want to help them go to school.

MARK: I asked because I see when you were talking tonight that you’ve got this wannabe side, who wants to be wealthy and carefree…. but that’s not really what Myrna wants!

MYRNA: No, it’s not carefree.

MARK: No, it’s not!

MYRNA: Not at all.

MARK: You don’t have to have the carefree; you can do what you want…

MYRNA: I’m working on trying to remember that….no, it’s not carefree that I want…

MARK: I know that! (Laughing)

MYRNA: I’ll remember your saying that to me.

MARK: I think there’s some subliminal deep-down belief in there that you’re not going to be the person you want to be if you had the money, and that’s not true. It’s not true at all.

MYRNA: I know that, it’s getting it –

MARK: Yeah, exactly: it’s addressing it and accepting it…

MYRNA: Yeah, exactly. “Getting” it.

[MARK’S NOTES: I came as my aunt, a family member in an effort to better understand my own family and how they perceive me, Serge and Kris and my role in this trilogy.]

MARK: With me, with my aunt and the family, it’s like I perceive my family as always pushing me into different directions that I really hate and what I’m getting now is that I’m PERCEIVING that THEY are perceiving that I’M not accepting of what I am. I’m not meeting my own standards, so to speak. So therefore, they’re seeing a side of me that I’m say, unhappy, or not where I want to be, so they try to push me into a new direction, rather than just me perceiving them as pushing me in a new direction. So once I realize, and start accepting myself, for whom and what I am and what I’m doing…

MYRNA: It will happen “out there.”

MARK: [Yes], it will happen “out there.” But here, I’m so worried about what they’re thinking, it shifts — so therefore they’re perceiving that I’m not confident, not happy where I am, [they try to push me] in a different direction. It’s weird, eh?

MYRNA: That’s a great insight.

MARK: A big twist….and it’s all out of love for me.

The group asks Michelle about her work with children.

MICHELLE: I’ve worked with children for years. Two years ago I found a job working with developmentally-challenged adults — which aren’t children, because they have [different] challenges — and I also do Reiki and intuitive reading, shamanic journeys and healing/teaching work, in which I’m trying to start a business. I find that my passion is really in working with the children, because I just love it so much.

MYRNA: Didn’t you say particularly autistic children? Or not?

MICHELLE: That is something I really want to, like…right now I’m working with adults and I like it, but they’re adults, they’re not children. My passion is children, so I actually want to start doing this job with autistic or developmentally challenged LITTLE ones as opposed to six-foot-two men who have minds of children, and are autistic.

[ELLEN'S NOTE: Joshua relates a story about his experience with a homeless woman, but unfortunately, I am unable to pick up the thread of it, due to other sounds in the room and the low tone of his voice]

JOHN: Well, I’m seeing a pattern. Is everybody seeing a pattern? The question is: What was the other person, what’s their worldview, and how does that affect you and what do you think of them, and what do they think of you, and how can you combine resources with the other person.

MARK: What’s really interesting about this is you can use a real person or an imaginary person, a historical figure, or somebody in the room. It’s a cute little technique.

MYRNA: Other aspects of us make [themselves] felt.

MARK: It’s actually a personalization of an NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming), from my perspective, anyway.

MYRNA: Yeah…. (turning to John) So it was Hans who believes that John has wasted his life, or John who believes John has wasted his life for twenty years?

JOHN: Well, it gets a bit mixed up there, doesn’t it?

MYRNA: It does.

(Kris returns at 8:24)

KRIS: Now you have been pondering this modality. You have been pondering your participation, and we are certain you have been pondering more than that. Keep pondering for a few more moments. It might bring surprises. May we ask our lovely guest about HIS characterization?

ALAN: Well, um it involves another person with who I’ve been in a certain situation for a couple of years now. It’s a business relationship and uh….it’s interesting, the time of this meeting, because he just communicated his view to me regarding the matter two hours before I came here and the communication was quite shocking and was unexpected. So I am in a situation now where I am trying to understand how to respond to him and sort of where he is at in his perspective on matters and what he thinks it will be possible to do moving forward in this scenario.

KRIS: Do you have a first name for this character?

ALAN: Yeah. Burt.

KRIS: If you take but seconds to slip into that character, what kind of mindset do you detect?

ALAN: Well, I have thought previously that his mindset was friendly, conciliatory, wanting to resolve matters for me, but now I have to wonder, given the response that I received from him, whether I was not mistaken in that and as it seems that his mindset is — perhaps that he’s testing me, or testing my responses in order to determine how willing I am to persevere with this.

KRIS: Now, going beyond observing a mindset, and simply allowing yourself to be that character for a moment or two, what, as you said — Burt?

ALAN: Burt.

KRIS: — do you think about Alan’s mindset?

ALAN: I think that he is aware that I have been injured in this situation –

KRIS: But — AS Burt.

ALAN: Yeah, what does he think?

MARK: Do “I”.

ALAN: Oh, what do I think?

KRIS: You are Burt. There’s a slight differentiation, but it is actually important. You are BURT. What do you think of Alan’s mindset?

ALAN: Well, it’s difficult to discern, because I’ve just received this communication from him and so I am inclined to put myself in his mindset relative to what he has just communicated to me.

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: Can you picture yourself communicating [as Burt] with Alan, via the method that he did. Pretend to be him sitting down at the computer, or however.

ALAN: Well, I have the sense that that implicates….a sense of a dismissive kind of juncture, or……he is perhaps … fine, if I were him, I would perhaps be testing to see what my response would be to this inner communication or to this awkwardness that he brings to me, which he knows or which has been made in the knowledge that it would be altogether inadequate.

KRIS: As Alan, how do you feel concerning this issue? Where does it place you?

ALAN: Well, it puts me in the position as having to again absorb my time and attention in dealing with this as I have done for almost three years.

KRIS: The sense we get, for lack of a better word, is that you would prefer that this issue perhaps has already been settled. By that we mean our sense of you is that you like to have things pretty well sorted out, perhaps even before situations BECOME situations. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Not in terms of this situation….because it is unsettled, it’s unresolved, and there’s the prospect of it continuing to be unresolved.

KRIS: That may offer an indication, a slight direction in this.

ALAN: (Pause) Um, well, I have a meeting with him on Tuesday, a face to face meeting, and so it may be my intention at that meeting to respond to his communication and to indicate that it has been inadequate.

KRIS: Now the outcome of course, is unknown to you specifically as far as you are concerned. It could possibly have ten different outcomes from the point of view of speculation. But there is definitely an aspect of you as Self, that has already resolved that issue. If you could gather to you — in a sense that this has been adequately and satisfactorily resolved — how would you respond to that sense, without necessarily knowing HOW it has been resolved, but that it HAS been resolved… Quite nicely resolved.

ALAN: Actually I was approaching, the past week or two, knowing that the individual was considering others, I was actually having a sense of matters being resolved, and so I was very surprised to receive this communication in which clearly it was very much out of line with my expectations. But it’s quite true, I did feel, I did have a very strong sense that it was resolved.

MARK: That’s exactly what he meant a moment ago when he said you do that.

ALAN: Oh, you mean feel that it’s resolved?

MARK: You resolve it before you create the situation. That’s exactly it. It has been sorted out, even though that’s in your future.

ALAN: Oh. Oh, that’s interesting! That’s interesting, because I had consulted a couple of other — you know — sort of spiritual — and they all concurred on that…that it’s a question on how to move towards a more concrete –

MARK: Mmhm.

ALAN: — where there still has to be some physical interaction with the individual.

KRIS: Does this situation also give you a sense that your own authority has been impinged upon, even to a certain degree? So that you have to assert your own authority.

ALAN: Well, yes…uh, that’s quite true. Inevitably I’m put in that position again when matters are not dealt with in a satisfactory way. I have to come forward again and make the same points and take the issue and state my position again. And this has been going on for three years.

KRIS: Now, if you were to take that extended scenario and view it either as a dream, or as a psychodrama that is meant to impart a knowing or a teaching to you, an interpretation, what would it say to you? In other words, still, why would you invite a situation of this nature into your life’s drama, and what possible purposes would you allow this to happen?

ALAN: Well, that’s a very good question. I think that one thing that has come out of this is an involvement in public service in this particular area. And another situation is that I’m learning through systems of having to stand up for oneself, without consequence again and again and again, in which the other party continues to undermine.

KRIS: It is quite possible that even though the outcome may not be one hundred percent resolved in a manner that is completely satisfying. There may be enough wiggle room to allow an agreement that some disagreements have to be aired without anyone losing face or authority. Does that make sense to you?

ALAN: Well, it has to be different than it is now. So then…what is…I have to meet with this person in two days to respond to this situation and….how to do that so the other person does not lose face or authority?

KRIS: As well as you. So that both of you may indeed have a middle ground; so that both come out at least with a certain degree of satisfaction.

ALAN: Mmhm.

KRIS: Our suggestion to you is to direct your awareness, your intent, to the creation of a discussion whereby your responses and your — perhaps argument is strong word — but your perspective during this discussion will be such as the other understands without your conscious application where intuition, that inner knowledge, will speak for you. In simpler words still, whether this evening, or during the day, utilize auto-suggestion, basically suggesting to your inner self — however you view this inner self — that you know the answers and the correct outcome already exists.

You will make allowances for that best outcome to manifest itself. It requires a bit of a passive role, as opposed to the usual role most individuals take when situations can escalate. That is to take a slightly passive role. It does not mean loss of power or retreating, but instead may actually display far more power because you then will be less prone to give the other fuel. In that respect, the other has to give him or herself up. Do you understand?

ALAN: Yeah, so not being adversarial in other words.

KRIS: Indeed, if one is not adversarial, what IS one? What is the opposite of adversarial?

ALAN: Um…What comes to mind is almost expressing a sense of…I don’t know. Relying upon the other person to be open to my perspective on matters and to be willing to consider others in order to move forward?

KRIS: As well as imparting the idea that the other has YOUR best intention at heart, and conveying that you have THEIR best intention at heart. That puts you into a kind of a nurturing role.

ALAN: Well, that’s interesting because I kind of felt that way at certain point with this individual, and I have either felt that he had my best intentions in mind, but this communication that I’ve just received does not verify those earlier intuitions and so I’ve taken them back.

KRIS: Allow what you commonly call the Inner Self to bring about the best scenario for your concerns. That of course requires on your part to be in a receptive mood, again, non-adversarial. There is a secret weapon in that kind of stance, and it is indeed a deep psychology. Do not provide fuel, but leave yourself open to the best possible intent as the outcome. Does that make some sense to you?

ALAN: Some sense. I will then have to believe that he has some different intention as regards the outcome than the one that he already provided.

KRIS: Many things can happen during one’s sleep. Many dreams can come about to alter the perceptions.

ALAN: Oh, interesting. You mean his perception.

KRIS: And yours. This is a scenario that is playing itself out in other than the physical situation.

ALAN: Yeah, that’s interesting, that he said that, I very much have that sense as well, too. I guess that’s a higher dimension.

KRIS: The physical drama is the stage.

ALAN: Mmhm. That’s right.

KRIS: We would not be so uncouth as to compare it to a puppet show, but there are still some similarities. The real interactions occur between the puppeteers, not the marionettes.

ALAN: There’s something going on behind the scenes, then.

KRIS: Indeed, keep all of your options open and as Mr. Churchill used to say, “Trust in God, but keep your gunpowder dry.” (Group laughter.)

[Turning to Michelle:] Now, what about YOUR character?

MICHELLE: I decided to come as my inner child, basically because as an adult I have a very childlike quality, and I have lately, a kind of fear of losing that childlike quality as I go into spirituality and ascension. So, I decided to come as my inner child to try to — what do you call it? — integrate the two so I don’t lose that childlike quality that I always had and always probably will have, but how to integrate them so they’re….so I have them together.

KRIS: What does the idea of being in touch with your inner child bring about in YOU?

MICHELLE: Innocence, imagination, creativity, and joy.

KRIS: What do you as the inner child wish to impart to the adult Michelle?

MICHELLE: That she can still hold that innocence and fun, even at times when she thinks the inner child needs to fall away because the adults are busy with adult communication.

KRIS: Do you see any parts of, or areas of Michelle’s life that you can have more fun with?

MICHELLE: No. (Inaudible sentence). I guess little Michelle kind of likes the snow for snow angels and snowballs and also I think could probably help out in looking from a child’s perspective at adult issues like when people argue and make it…sometimes the adults make things…….complicated.

KRIS: Indeed, have you noticed also who it is that the adults sometimes argue the most with? … As in with themselves? …More so than with others?

MICHELLE: Yes.

KRIS: Do you think that they sometimes get into those situations because they have forgotten that they can be full of fun.

MICHELLE: Yes, I think they are too serious and sometimes they need nurturing just as much as the child. They have fears. Sometimes they need to nurture themselves as much as the child needs the nurturing from whoever is closest to them. Children don’t make things difficult. Adults make things difficult.

KRIS: As little Michelle, you realize that in this group there are many adults. Little Michelle has a voice, has a song, likes to sing. Is that correct?

MICHELLE: Yep.

KRIS: Would little Michelle have a fun little song to sing to all of the adults in the room?

MICHELLE: Seriously? (Group laughter) All right. (singing:) Itsy-bitsy spider went up the water spout, down came the rain and washed the spider out. Out came the sun and dried up all the rain, and the itsy-bitsy spider went up the spout again. (Group chuckles)

KRIS: We thank you for that. Now, each of you went through your own scenarios. Some more intensively, others lighter, and yet the one thing you all did to one degree or another is get into the character, even when sometimes you thought you were not. As we suggested last week, part of this exercise and the idea behind it is to notice the perspectives or the changes from one character to another. Do you remember?

(Yes)

When you were one character and then the other, did you even in that respect, pay attention to the changes in your own energies and perceptions?

(Yes)

MYRNA: Kris, we have one more person here that has not done it.

(Kris turns t look at Mark.)

MARK: As I explained at break, I came as my aunt, and my aunt is a very good representation of my family. She and I get along very well, and we can talk as opposed to some other family members. So I wanted to find that middle ground with my family. And having gone through the exercises and having listened to everybody here, I realized that yes, my family does push me in different directions than I necessarily want to go, but I’m also projecting to them that I might not be self-confident or necessarily be where I want to be, but I do that because I’m perceiving that I’m not living up to THEIR expectations, so it’s a vicious little circle. In acknowledging myself and whom and what I am, and that I’m actually very happy in what I’m doing, I’m giving myself that self-confidence and not trying to live up to imaginary other standards, I CAN stop that vicious little circle.

KRIS: What has putting yourself into your aunt’s perspective allowed you to see regarding yourself?

MARK: A lot more strength than I gave myself credit for. I’m not necessarily the disappointment that I make myself out to be…..A great deal of love….and respect.

KRIS: When you came to those observations, did you notice that the inner conversations — as all those other aspects of your own self that you argue specifically about — those issues have receded somewhat?

MARK: Yes. Oh, yes, definitely. I feel much stronger.

KRIS: In other words, the voices of self-doubt have been quelled somewhat.

MARK: Yes, for another day.

KRIS: Now, there is a reason why we PRETENDED to not address you.

MARK: Okay.

MYRNA: Pretended?

KRIS: Indeed, we already know some of the outcome of this specific situation. Have you given thought to this?

MARK: No.

KRIS: Each of you, [was asked] to come as a different character, some that you even thought were the opposite of who you are, some of those characters you even thought were imaginary, some you think of with like characters that have their presence in your daily life. In an inner situation, still this is a characterization you instilled in the moment, whether believed imaginary or not, it is your interpretation to one degree or another of an individual that also reflects some of your mindsets. That also engages many of the inner dialogs that you hold concerning the polarities of those two characters. Do you understand so far?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Now, you spoke for Philip.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: You did not speak right away, and though you have made some most delightful observations…

MARK: I didn’t put them into practice.

KRIS: Indeed, in a very simple manner — and you recognized as soon as Shara-Leene spoke up for you — that you did not want that. You wanted to speak up for yourself.

MARK: (Laughing) Very true.

KRIS: Because your characterizations and your reflections concern your family, but they also are far more involved than your LIVING family members. They are a family that live here: the dialogs and discussions, the arguments, the put-downs, correct?

MARK: Oh, yes.

KRIS: And this part of the discussion also reflects in ALL of you to one degree or another about the inner dialogs or even arguments that you hold with yourself all day long. We have spoken on this in the past as a means to find a bridge so that you can observe yourself through their eyes and in this small exercise was a means to do that. Do you not agree?

(Yes)

Giving you the opportunity then to put into practice what has been discussed before, but also a little bit of a trap (Group laughter) that you cannot avoid actually dealing with the situation. It can no longer stay in your heads, but it has become a part of an evening discussion. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

MYRNA: We’ve been found out.

MARK: By ourselves. (Everyone cracks up)

KRIS: You have come out of your own closet. You have self “outed” yourselves in a way. It is important to recognize that the Bardo, the space between those two characters, involves a LOT if not a great deal of these inner dialogs, inner conversations, inner arguments, and all the various methods that you utilize to often put yourself down.

Far be it from us to point fingers at anyone, but you all know that you engage these situations often enough to recognize that now — whether it is about facing self-doubt, or any other issue — you have at least one small modality with which you can put yourself in that voice’s shoes and then come to a pleasant resolution, or at least the beginnings of a pleasant resolution. Not by shouting louder than they or by beating them up, or beating yourselves up, but by viewing who you are, what you are, from their perspective, even if momentarily, can give you immense insight into who you are and what you are, but from a different angle. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Mmhm. Yes.

KRIS: It is said that you should know thyself. You need to know WHAT your self is in order to know who you are. WHO and WHAT you are is much more complex than anything you have thought of, but not so that it is beyond your means to understand and explore, for after all, the whole world is a reflection of who and what you are. Look about the people that populate the streets, the buildings, the roads, the offices, the home; these are all various reflections of you, engaged in all of their daily affairs, as you are.

They are entitled to their own lives, as you are, and beneath all of those scenarios is a deep love. We would even venture to say that before you dislike, or even go so far as to hate someone, you love them first, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE. It is when, somehow or other, you are disappointed both in yourself or the other, that you begin on the road of self-judgmentalism. Do you understand? Self-criticism.

If you begin to learn how to accept who you are THAT MUCH MORE, it is easier to accept yourself and others [and is] therefore easier to return to that state of original love. There is not one THING, one BEING in the universe that does not rely on that original love for its own expression. Allow yourselves to freely indulge yourselves in loving self-conversation, self-dialog. Have you never pondered about this? Notice what inner dialog is usually about. Why do you think that is? Shara-Leene?

MYRNA: Um…..I’m sorry, I was a little distracted because I was thinking that there are many times that I have a conversation with myself when I’m very appreciative of myself, so it’s not always negative. So that’s why I was distracted, but I…I don’t know. (Long pause) Yeah….yeah, I do know. Um….if I go back to my therapeutic training, it would be around a feeling of failing expectations. But I’m trying…..I’m being re-wired around all the stuff that you’ve offered, so I don’t have those…answers any more. I don’t know.

KRIS: Your assessment is correct. Self-criticism usually revolves around a sense of failure, of failing to meet expectations, usually projected onto the other. The other expects oneself to be such and such.

MYRNA: Right. And I think, given the nature of birth and being born into family….yeah, its starts with expectations of parents and then that’s reflected in society.

MARK: And often it’s what is PERCEIVED…..it’s not necessarily the actual expectations — it’s the PERCEIVED expectations.

MYRNA: When I get a little confused here it’s because I know I chose those paths and I know the reflections in my own belief system, so I came in here already setting myself up for this.

KRIS: As a measure of exploring the true depth of your deities to tap into deep root of original love. There are road blocks that you throw up along the way. Sometimes the road blocks are huge boulders, sometimes they are small pebbles. Nonetheless, one’s pebble the other’s boulder. All in all, however, every individual — regardless of appearances and performances — wants to be loved and to love, regardless of what occurs as one’s life evolves and unfolds.

This discussion on tapping into inner conversations and dialogs, looking beneath the surface, behind the scenes of the very reasons for the inner dialog’s conversations is to notice those very elements — that each self seeks a loving environment and condition and you are correct: we have been speaking long enough that some of you may already have begun re-wiring yourselves. When you encounter challenges upon those very issues, you are taking the opportunity to let yourself know that there may be other areas that need extra loving today. Do you understand?

Whether it be your characterization of your parents, siblings, co-workers, mates, and so on, truly the onus is on you. For one thing only: for the love that you share and give. You have, however, to recognize that once you immerse yourself in that loving mood, it is far easier to see the whole world through those loving eyes, than if you think or believe that you must find that love elsewhere.

That means that all of your eyes have to become very lovely to go along with your lovely selves. And though this particular evening seems strange, perhaps even heavy, we can assure you that the mood can lift in one moment, as soon as you allow the deepest font of love from within your heart to rise to the surface and to fill your entire body to overflow so that loving energy can even literally seep out and escape through the pores of your skin to envelop and fill this room and everyone in it as the true atmosphere within which you find yourselves.

And the deeper you reach within this rich vein of loving energies, you will easily discover that it knows no end, it has no bottom. It is endless. It has no beginning and no end. It knows not time or space, but it knows itself. Take a deep breath and exhale, releasing that loving energy and know that sometimes love is strong, but it is still nurturing. It is YOUR love, YOUR energy. And whatever depth of lessons you have taught yourselves this evening, know that you have done so in a gentle manner and that the realizations may be far deeper than what you have glimpsed here this evening.

And we leave you with this thought for the following week. And you may put this into practice in any way, shape or form during this coming week. That if your heart, and your entire being rests on the principles of original love, what would happen if that love filled every moment in every aspect and every corner of your life? What would your inner conversations and dialogs be like? What would your relationships with other beings be like? What would other beings’ relationships with you be like? Is this a good challenge?

MARK: Indeed!

JOHN: Oh, yes. Accepted!

KRIS: Then we do not need to take out the white gloves! (General laughter)

MYRNA: Kris, I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Thank you. Sometime this past week, John and I met, as we usually do, and John reminded me of — no, let me go at it another way: if I experience an aspect of myself that I have judged as……ahhhh…. difficult, is it –

KRIS: We note the ahhhhh hesitation!

(Raucous group laughter and hand clapping)

MYRNA: (Laughing as well) Is it — I know this from a therapeutic perspective — but from your perspective, is it true that that aspect is a camouflage, is a way that someone has learned to be in life in order to meet expectations, but what that aspect is striving for is that original love?

KRIS: Repeat the question.

MYRNA: Ummm…there’s an aspect that someone in my environment is demonstrating. That may be learned behavior or a belief system that camouflages.

KRIS: Belief systems and learned behaviors are not that far apart.

MYRNA: Right. They’re trying to meet expectation — that may be how they choose to meet expectation, but underneath that, the choosing to meet expectation is wanting original love. Would that be so? Let me give an example maybe that would help. Someone that I worked very close with for many years used her mind as her weapon. My experience of her was that her heart was closed. I now am beginning to realize, again, that that’s the way she chose to be in life, because she felt her expectations to be like that. What she was going after was love, and that was her strategy.

KRIS: It may have been her most efficient strategy. There are many situations where individuals exhibit such behavior as a camouflage, a shield, because they think if they appear in any other form — if they appear loving and respectful, even of themselves — they may be considered weak.

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Love is often in your world considered a sign of weakness, even when, with the same mouth, you will also say there is no greater power than love. It is still often considered a source of shame and weakness, a character flaw.

MYRNA: Yes. Now in adopting that as a strategy, she actually is trying to get the love. Isn’t that what our strategies are all about? We adopted them early, in order to meet expectations.

KRIS: You patterned your existence, indeed. What we are speaking about, then, goes far deeper than any strategies and demonstrations of human activities. It goes behind the scenes of all the props.

MYRNA: I — yes, I’m aware of that. Yes. Well, we’re all trying to get back to that, aren’t we?

KRIS: Because you think you have lost it.

MYRNA: Yeah. Is it not what the journey is all about?

KRIS: Rediscovering Self without all of the accoutrements of modern consumerism. Love is not to be found in a pretty box under the Christmas tree. Does that make sense? Love is also not found with those who profess it, but cannot live it.

JOHN: Pope Benedict! He just made a speech about that!

KRIS: We thought you were Jewish. (Group laughter)

MYRNA: Not any more.

KRIS: Are there questions?

ALAN: I’d like to ask about crop circles.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: It seems that the crop circles that are appearing now in England and in other parts of the world are extremely precise geometric formations. I’ve been following them for the past couple of years, from simple circles to –

KRIS: They are also more and more involved with higher mathematics.

ALAN: Yes, yes, exactly.

KRIS: You will see over the next few years again taking — (pause) there is another note on that scale. There will be an escalation –

ALAN: Oh! Interesting.

KRIS: — to confound those who think they know the answers. Crop circles are indeed a very complicated issue, because of the fraudulent claims, there are times when it is difficult, but we believe there are instrumentations that can also detect the fraudulent from the authentic concerning specific wavelengths of radioactivity. On several occasions an unknown phenomenon has been spotted in and around crop circles and even videotaped.

ALAN: The balls of light?

KRIS: Indeed. Now, we have explained before, if you were to take a figure eight and a half by eleven blank sheet of paper with your pencil, draw a design, the underside would leave an indent. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes.

KRIS: This is perhaps crude, but our presentation on this is basically that these balls of light, many of which are not visible to the naked eye — but some are, some have been caught on tape — these balls of light are the only way specific beings from another reality — or if you wish, dimension — can make their presence known in your world, because their laws of physics are very different from yours. They cannot take shapes like you have, however, that does not mean their PRESENCE does not leave an impression, like the wind, you cannot see it, correct? But you can see the results of the wind. Whether it is a leaf gently flowing into the breeze or a gigantic oak tree snapping in two, it is still the wind, invisible to your eyes. Does that make sense? You can its effects, but you may not see it.

ALAN: Right.

KRIS: These beings are extremely difficult to see, but you can see the effects of their energy. It is their method of trying to establish specific communication, but they can only do so in an extremely limited fashion and this is how their language, or communication, is appearing in your world. It will become more sophisticated still — it will escalate — but it will require an advanced mathematical genius to continue observing how the data is displayed and what it may mean.

Now, because the idea that your species is not only the only intelligent life in the universe, but is the very sum of creation, you find it collectively difficult to make allowances for other life forms to present themselves. And believe us if you will, believe us not if you will, it matters little to us, BUT your first contact with alien life forms will not be like Hollywood presents it.

MARK: So the purpose of the message would be something as simple as “You are not alone,” or is it much more complex?

KRIS: It is more complex. It has gotten more and more complex and will continue to do so until there is sufficient interest to begin interpreting the mathematical data imbedded into the designs of the circles. Does that make sense?

ALL: Yes. Oh yeah.

LIDA: Will this enhance our understanding of the Universe?

KRIS: That would be a given. Part of the communication itself.

MARK: So we’re not just speaking about the physical universe either.

KRIS: Indeed not, since these beings are not physical in the sense that you are, and they do not look like little balls of light. That is how their form is translated by the embedded physics of your reality and it does require a good amount of energy on their part to make those communications because of the translations involved. (John makes an appreciative sound and Kris addresses him:) Perhaps there is a “Hoot” story in there somewhere!

JOHN: There may very well be! It’s not such a big step for us, Kris, because after all, we’re talking to YOU!

MARK: From what I’m getting from that too, is that it’s a message from self to self, saying that there’s a lot more to YOU than you are acknowledging, or letting yourself perceive.

KRIS: Now, what is the time?

MARK: 9:37.

KRIS: Then we will wish all of your lovely selves pleasant dreams, sweet discoveries, little balls of light and all!

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:38 PM.)

Imagine That!

December 4, 2005

Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 04, 2005
Copyright 2006 Avion Rising, Inc.

Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Soharse), Myrna (Shara-Leene), and Michelle

[MARK’S NOTES: Based on a conversation that started on NewWorldView.com, John formulated a question. I knew even before he started to ask it that it would spark Kris’ attention so I quickly turned on the recorder.]

JOHN: The question is this: Do Essences — I mean, this would be me and everything else, but — Do Kris and Elias and that gang….do they exist in a psychological space in which they conjure up the appearance of things just for their own pleasure? And it’s constantly changing? Because — who was it – Elias — mentioned something about how “WE [non-physicals]…our internal processes just naturally result in imagery around us” and then he says, “This is exactly the same as what you folks are doing, you just don’t know it”! Everything around YOU is imagery that YOU… are…conjuring.” And so I’m wondering if Kris, if he is in just like a void-y, empty, black space, or is he enjoying imagery at various levels? I rather suspect he is enjoying imagery.

(Kris jumps in)

MARK: Here we go!

(Session begins at 7:52 PM)

KRIS: Since you have decided the theme of the evening (John laughs), we will gladly indulge! Now, would YOU feel at home in a black cavern?

JOHN: No.

KRIS: Indeed not. We would also feel much more at home and at ease in an environment that images mood. Your moods are reflected in a variety of ways. You may, as the great Debbie Travis has pointed out, decorate and paint the rooms in your home according to your moods. You may not always enjoy the visuals of your moods in the ordinary sense of the word. You may go from one room to another in your home. You may detect that the environment and decor in one room elicits a certain feeling from you, while in truth, you have infused that specific area with that kind of a mood that is reflected in the design, the decor, the imagery, the flavor.

[MARK’S NOTES: Debbie Travis is an interior designer who has her own television show. She has also marketed a line of paint colors through a major Canadian retailer. Her paint colors are divided into categories according to ‘moods’. So if you want a room that is ‘calm’ you would go one particular color chart, etc.]

You do not notice, when you leave your home, that the same processes are still active. You cross the street, you go shopping, you believe that this store or another elicits moods from you, but in truth, you have projected your own moods onto those structures that at their core are psychological. They are translated by your physical senses into what you perceive as physical structures, but they still reflect your moods, your inner environment, that feeling-tone that is your own. Now all of this has to fit within the parameters of the outer field of events from the inner field of events. In our environment, there is no specific distinction in that manner.

JOHN: No blueprint?

KRIS: Not in that manner as you understand it. We literally project, if we wish, a home that could accommodate all of our moods. And even Mary Poppins’ bag could not contain all of the moods that are so nicely projected by our own selves. You have seen magical homes in Harry Potter movies where a small tent that looks like a pup tent actually can accommodate the contents of a mansion. We could easily say that, regardless of the appearances on the outside — however you define “outside” in OUR environment — still, the inside of the environment could be of such diversity as to be unsettling for your perceptions.

You are accustomed to have slight decor from room to room in your home. If you venture that far — if you are that adventurous — when we decide to have a home with multiple rooms, each room can be decorated with the likes of entire realities as befits our moods in that moment. So a room could easily be a beautiful moment in the Baroque period, another could easily represent the rose garden of the Tudor family, from England. If one wishes to be so extravagant, we could have a room that exhibits all of the wonderful dresses of Elizabeth I, and everything contained within that mood.

Another room can represent one of OUR fun pastimes, with literal oceans and pirate ships and everything that has to do with those things including (Kris’ voice flows with a dramatic flair) CANNONFIRE from different ships and islands and treasures! High seas and high tides and palm trees. The ultimate self-contained travel agency if you so desire! You approximate some of those tones when you (loudly) allow your own imaginations to be unrestrained, (in a lower tone) then you FEAR that, so you quickly clamp down on your imagination lest you get carried away! And you often DENY that you yourselves have had similar experiences within the confines of your imaginations, even your daydreams.

When you are sitting at the office, at your desk, doodling, pretending that you are at a tropical island feeling the warm sand in your toes, the water nearby, the heat of the sun enveloping you, almost caressing you, and you quickly snap out of it, without realizing that THAT PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE is more than a daydream, that you actually projected a portion of your consciousness into that kind of environment, and you could have benefited more had you not considered it is only silly daydreams and cannot be real. If you understand that reality is multifaceted, then you could have enjoyed a bit more sunshine without having to pay traveler’s fees. Does that make sense to you?

MYRNA: Oh, yes.

MARK: What are the concepts of moods from your perspective? What are your moods, compared to ours? Are there similarities?

KRIS: There are similarities. That is why you have them!

(Group laughter)

MARK: That makes sense!

KRIS: Your moods are often emotionally based whilst ours are not necessarily stemmed in emotions as you understand them, though again there are relationships, but we do not confine these states with belief structures. Therefore often we enjoy a greater scope of adventures than you could possibly imagine. Our moods do not stay within the confines of our cellular structure, since we do not have the kind of cellular structures you are accustomed to. You feel your moods, you recognize them strictly as hormonal, biological, biochemical processes, correct?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: We do not have such processes, thus our moods, per se. To use a proper Sanskrit term would be “Rasas” and even “Lilas” — pastimes — lilas.

JOHN: I heard Lila translated as “play”, “playing.”

KRIS: “Play” — pastime. Similar.

JOHN: Uh-huh. Okay.

KRIS: Now, such as, if we are in the mood for a pirate adventure, the entire panoramic reality is instantly engendered for the pure pleasure of that adventure.

MARK: The ultimate holiday.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Now do you hang out with other — let’s say you’re going to have a pirate adventure: do some of your other Essence buddies come along and have fun with you?

KRIS: If our mood titillates others, they will gladly join in! If they are pre-occupied, then our own Lilas can create all of the forms that we need to complement the adventure. If we so desire, then focus personalities are projected through which we can also enjoy a different perspective of the adventure. And it is not limited to a simple scene. It can include the manifestation of entire realities to accommodate those lilas.

JOHN: That sounds wonderful!

KRIS: That is indeed why you have physical realities, or other kinds of realities. The Lilas are based on a form of desire quite different from your desire, but again there is a similarity. Whether you are in agreement with this or not, you actually take your birth out of desire, and you create all of the necessary opportunities to fulfill that one desire to experience a specific projection of events. You yourselves are not limited, except by those beliefs that you hold about limitations. ‘What would happen if’ you actually did that million dollar check in your fingers?

JOHN: I play that game. I go with twenty million!

MYRNA: (Laughing) Okay, so we come in — I created me, or Essence…Shara-Leene has created me, I don’t know what the right words are here — with a particular desire to experience reality in a certain way. I am free as Myrna, however, to go beyond that – or – am I all about only that desire?

KRIS: What you may understand from the word “desire” and its full-fledged unfolding are two different things. The whole Myrna experience is part of that original desire up to and including whatever Myrna changes in her life. So you are not limited to the essential parameters unless you so desire.

MYRNA: Yeah, I understand. I think I…I hear this, and I understand the concept of limiting beliefs. I wake up in the morning and I can no longer use my imagination to imagine myself in daydreams! I have moments of it, and I feel so stuck…..I mean I hear this….and I think pirate adventures –! Well, I would like — (Laughs) And I think…I don’t know what’s happened, I don’t know…

MARK: You’ve forgotten.

MICHELLE: That’s funny. I work with children, and they don’t forget, and they don’t let me forget.

KRIS: You may indeed pretend that you are only eight years old and that upon awakening the next time you will be (Kris’ voice takes on a dramatic flair) the Damsel in Distress! Stuck on a pirate ship with the beautiful prince coming to rescue you on his great sailing ship, and see how that churns the juices of the mind! (Laughter among the group) Play act!

MYRNA: A question around desire then: I thought I had this answer and now I’m confused. Someone has appeared in my life recently and I thought “why would I create this?” Is that person a reflection of my — obviously — my interior environment and/or have I made some sort of contract with this particular Essence to be together at this particular time?

KRIS: The contract part has much less to do with it than you might want. It may indeed reflect an aspect of you in more ways than you imagine! (Group chuckles) Look at it this way: Most people, when they encounter a challenge of one kind or another, get down on themselves because they have projected an aspect of their selves in that situation and they only see the obvious obfuscation without considering that perhaps there is a motivation behind creating that scenery simply for the scene’s sake. Does that make sense?

You do not create props merely for creating props. They serve a purpose. If you create the scenery for an old-fashioned western shoot ‘em out scene, you do not include pretty little flowers, you generate the mood of the cowboys, the desert sand, and the dust, and the boll weevils and — EVERYTHING — the old clapboard homes and the horses, and the drinking tanks, and the local drunks, correct?– Because you want to have a FULL experience. Similarly, your scenario might contain more than what you see up front. There are other elements involved, most having to do with the resources you are trying to TAP INTO in yourself, by projecting that individual into your drama. And you can just as easily punch their lights out! But that would be another scene…

MYRNA: (Laughing in delight)

KRIS: It is FAR easier to go into the old western and shoot them up! Now, as to your saying that you have difficulty imaging, we can now say this has been disproved — right now! (Myrna is still laughing over the imagery) Now, does the cowboy look like John Wayne or –

MYRNA: (Still laughing) I don’t know WHAT he looks like right now — I just never met anybody like him!

KRIS: Therefore you are still discovering parts of yourself you have not yet met. Keep in mind that your imaginations are greatly underused and over-criticized, indeed?

JOHN: Mmhm.

MYRNA: Can you say more about “over-criticized”?

KRIS: Indeed, you often fear what you imagine. You clamp down on your imagination, and you have been trained to do that since childhood. How many times as a child were you – any of you — told that “it’s only your imagination” and “stop it!”?

JOHN: And “Don’t be silly.”

MICHELLE: We don’t say that to children any more, but yet, “why don’t tell me about that imaginary friend, I want to know all about it!”

KRIS: You are often told that you must grow up, you must be real [and] you must face the facts….

JOHN: Be sensible!

MICHELLE: Toughen up!

KRIS: Indeed! All of these statements eventually whittle away at the finest qualities of your own imagination where you eventually set up barriers. Now if you can only IMAGINE those very same barriers dissolving, you would regain a great deal of imaginary prowess. And in your reality, you consider the great artists, the great scientists, the great writers, painters, and so on as very self-evolved in a certain way. You look up to them for their achievements.

If you only understood that it has nothing to do with luck, or karma, or anything of the sort, but if you study what they do and how they do it, you will see they all have one thing in common: they have not fettered their imagination. They use it actively, profusely, and they do get in a tizzy when they experience a block. They have to un-imagine it. Do you understand?

That may give you an inkling as to how you create your reality. You do not create it with a formula. You do not create it by holding a thought for seventeen seconds in twenty second cycles! (John laughs uproariously) You do it because you IMAGINE it! All that this seventeen-second cycles does, it allows you to infuse the imagination with fuel: DESIRE, PASSION, expectation and anticipation.

But it is the imagination that is used. There is not one thing — NOT ONE SINGLE THING — that you do, that you have not imagined, even for a fraction of a moment. You have even been able to imagine artificial life forms who do functions WITHOUT imagination! You call them “robots.” But you would be surprised to discover that they themselves are composed of units of imagination. Thus they function. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Yeah!

KRIS: That is why your race is such a wonderful builder of civilizations. Your species builds civilizations because it is hard-wired, or consciousness-wired, into your imagination processes. If there was only one individual on a planet; that individual would imagine a civilization into being.

JOHN: Or several.

KRIS: Indeed and you continue utilizing the abilities of your imagination when you dream. That is something else that is correlated. You must imagine that as well. Even the simple, biological function of sleeping is imagined, and within that domain you recall the adventures of your consciousness as it is momentarily released from the grip of physical reality and you bring back snapshots and video footage of your adventures. Again where, quite likely, you were on a pirate ship! Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, I especially like the part of where we have to UN-IMAGINE the fetters we have accepted all in our imagination.

KRIS: Thus you have systems to help break down the limiting beliefs that you have imagined into place. Imagination is so much more important than you have imagined! And — if you desire an occasional challenge – and we have done this before — it is to imagine what you have not yet imagined. If you have habitual patterns that occasion challenges to your living, you can then simply imagine processes in alternative patterns to correct those designs. They are not flaws, but they may no longer serve your purpose.

JOHN: Alternative response strategies.

KRIS: Indeed, again, based in your imagination. The more you explore with the inner imagery that you generate, the more you recognize what it is that YOU do with your lives. For the entire environment is a reflection of what you have imagined yourselves to be. You have imagined yourselves poor, unhealthy, lovelorn, or otherwise, but you have drawn to you all of the necessary belief patterns to maintain that root. Thus if you can also imagine yourselves healthy, prosperous, involved and happy, then you can also thank your own imagination. Imagination is also not limited to the physical form. It is not tied to your biological processes.

JOHN: Is the imagery that YOU express and enjoy also constructed by YOUR imagination?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: Now, from YOUR perspective…[Referring to Kris]

KRIS: Our imagination, however, is not believed to be stuck in our heads.

JOHN: Well….you don’t have a head.

KRIS: Indeed — or we have too many.

(Group laughter)

MARK: From your perspective as a multi-dimensional, it must be unlimited as to how many of these scenarios can be running – Since you are dealing with simultaneous, non-existent time, it must be phenomenal…

KRIS: As we have suggested that can involve entire realities and universes and these usually then — once imagined — take on a life of their own.

MARK: Which includes the reality that I am now experiencing.

KRIS: In part, with your own agreements.

JOHN: You mean all the imagery that you construct takes on a life of its own and goes off and has its own imagination?

KRIS: Indeed, it pursues its own unfolding because it is also created of units of consciousness.

MICHELLE: Okay, so that plant is creating its own imaginary universe over there, and putting it out in the universe, which in turn is putting it out in the universe, which in turn — is putting it out in the universe! (Laughing)

KRIS: Only to a certain degree. The plant exists in that form because that is the form YOU deal with through your physical senses. Its own energies can be quite different.

JOHN: (After a moment of the group’s digesting the complexity of the material) Do you ever just imagine a quiet little room with a door…closed….and a window shade… (Everyone cracks up)

KRIS: We have one of those. We often enjoy a quiet smoke there.

MYRNA: And particularly at Sid’s Cafe, yes?

KRIS: It can be, since it is created. It is always a HOOT to be there.

[MARK’S NOTES: Hoot is an Essence that is acting as a Muse for John in regards to his writings.]

MARK: Now, what about moodiness? Is that strictly because of our biological and neurological … [Kris interrupts]

KRIS: These are often the results of your own conflicting patterns. We do not experience those particular kinds of moodiness situations as you know them. We do not get pissed off. (Group laughter) Otherwise — would we be pissed off — there would be many pillars of salt all over the place! (Everyone cracks up again)

MYRNA: From what you just said to Mark — our moods we have created are because of the conflict –

KRIS: Your moodiness.

MARK: (Clarifying) I was asking HIM about if HE experiences moodiness, and the answer is no, obviously, because as he explained earlier, our moods and emotions are tied into beliefs.

MYRNA: Oh, right.

JOHN: Well, thank you for this wonderful glimpse into YOUR world, Kris.

MARK: Into OUR world too.

KRIS: The scenes behind the scenes that you can ALSO tap into. In order to do that, you would need to overcome one basic issue. It is an issue that has been ingrained in most of the modern world for the last two thousand or so years. So it is not so easily un-imagined, but it can be achieved. At the core of your being, you believe — equating: you imagine — that somewhere in your heart there is a seed of iniquity, correct?

JOHN: Yes.

MYRNA: Iniquity?

JOHN: Evil, badness.

MYRNA: No, not for me in this lifetime, not as a Jew.

KRIS: Once you can put that to rest and tap into what we have in the past referred to as original goodness in all of its sacred terms, then you would indeed loosen the shackles of your imagination.

JOHN: You know what I think has helped me with that? The exact issue is the exercise from last week, which was to exuberantly celebrate our selfhood.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Every day I have done that, even just to the point of saying “I now celebrate myself,” and….that grows on you!

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: That was the purpose! (Group laughter)

KRIS: It is very infectious, far more so than any flu bird virus. Now then, we will leave you to ponder your own imaginings, and do keep in mind that you have imagined yourselves here this evening. Listen to the voices you have projected through the tone of OUR sounds and imagine what that is like.

(8:30 PM)

(After Kris left we began chatting about the session.)

JOHN: Well that was fascinating, really interesting!

MARK: Yes, that was fun.

MYRNA: I loved the idea of a room…how he started with a room, and the mood of a room, and we projected that mood. There are rooms in my house that I [wonder] “how the heck did I create these?” There are rooms I love, there are other rooms I say, “How did I do this?!” It’s very interesting.

JOHN: Which room is that?

MYRNA: My downstairs rooms have a lot of old stuff in them.

JOHN: What I’ve noticed about your place, the upstairs rooms are…there’s a certain sheen and quality to them, downstairs it’s kind of….it’s like a rec room, sort of like…it doesn’t have the same….

MYRNA: No.

JOHN: Finish…the same…

MYRNA: No, it does not. And I’ve always said the downstairs is Ken’s stuff and upstairs is mine.

JOHN: (Humorously) Oh, so what does that make Ken?

MYRNA: (Laughing) Well, no, obviously it’s about me, but it’s true – the house is quite different. Ken is happy down there!

JOHN: Yeah, I’m not being critical. I don’t often go into the downstairs.

MYRNA: No, no no. It’s almost THIS room compared to some of your other rooms. {Referring to Mark and Serge’s new apartment.]

JOHN: Like the back room.

MYRNA: Yeah, the back room. Exactly! There’s such a dichotomy.

MARK: But what if the dichotomy is within yourself?

MYRNA: Exactly! Well, that’s what I think is fascinating for me, I’ve created that obviously for a reason.

JOHN: Isn’t it wonderful that Kris is surrounded by all this glorious, unending imagery? I just love that! I mean, I hadn’t realized it, but I had been kind of thinking of him being in a kind of a black void, you know?

MARK: It’s also us, we’re doing the same thing, and that’s why this whole reality exists, because it’s a whim. It’s a Lila!

JOHN: Yes, a Lila. I like that word.

MARK: And we’ve got many of them and not just in the Taaj, where we create Earths, and planets and suns and solar systems, but we’re also creating in other places and dimensions that are so far-fetched that I can’t possibly even think of it to describe it to you. But we’re doing it all. We’re multi-dimensional and –

MYRNA: Have you experienced many of those others?

MARK: Sometimes. I’ve tried, especially when he has challenged us to stretch the imagination….when we do those meditations where he takes you out through the back of your head, that’s where I go, that’s what I see. And it’s never void, it’s never black. It’s vast, but it soon fades from solar systems and galaxies into people and places and energies and colors and images. Sometimes I can’t begin to describe….like that one session that I had where I saw….action

MICHELLE: (Somewhat garbled) [I've visited] other places, other realities. I’ve even….well, I call it the “City of Angels,” because that’s what it looks like to me.

JOHN: Well, there’s an actual city — have you read any of the stuff about “the city” in Seth or Elias?

MICHELLE: No, I’ve never read Seth or Elias.

JOHN: Oh? Well apparently there’s a whole city we’re building that’s going to be inserted into this reality, like in the next twenty years somewhere.

MICHELLE: Really?

JOHN: Yeah, and people are literally going there and constructing it. It’s got these tiles on it and everything…maybe that’s your City of Angels.

(Some chitchat ensues.)

JOHN: Well, that was very interesting. I don’t think he’s coming back. He didn’t say this was a break. I feel very well-fulfilled, you know? I feel wonderful.

MARK: Myrna, getting back to you…I don’t think he meant you [alone regarding the religious references], I think pretty much everybody on this planet has iniquities, and not necessarily religious beliefs, but how many times do we beat ourselves up –?

JOHN: I think he was talking poetically about “unworthiness” — what I call unworthiness.

MYRNA: Okay, I heard it as “original sin.” I don’t get that. I don’t get that at all.

JOHN: Every tradition has its own — I mean the whole Jewish guilt thing — hello! — It’s all about unworthiness.

MYRNA: But I wasn’t born into iniquity. I’ve never gotten that. Never, ever, ever.

MARK: I’ve never grew up with any religion, but we do guilt, we do shame, we have those type of qualities. It’s not necessarily because I’m religious and I was born into it, but…you do things wrong and somehow you’re damned for that and even if you’re non-religious, it still gets played into your guilt –

JOHN: Yes, there’s a feeling across the board — perhaps under –

MARK: That’s what he’s talking about, that rug needs to be pulled out, and shaken out…

[MARK’S NOTES: The above section doesn’t quite make sense, because everyone was talking over top of everyone else, leaving poor Ellen to try and pick out words and phrases in an effort to make sense of them.]

MICHELLE: Shot out like a cannon in a pirate ship!

JOHN: Virtually all modern civilizations have as part of basic core beliefs that our — let’s call it our animal nature — needs to be squelched in order for us to be proper and civilized.

MARK: Mankind is damaging the environment, therefore I’m part of that – I’m to blame. There are all kinds of analogies there that could be used as examples.

JOHN: Every culture [does it]. It’s just expressed in different ways. But I love the idea of un-imagining things! (Laughs) Of course it’s [still] just imagining. But to un-imagine for instance, that feeling of unworthiness.

MYRNA: Or lack of prosperity.

JOHN: Yeah, or whatever, because if we imagine it, we can un-imagine it.

MARK: Imagine living on a square planet.

SERGE: People would fall off the edges. (Group laughter)

MARK: We could put Velcro on the edges!

JOHN: It would be very windy around the vortex. I remember on one of the Star Trek’s I saw recently, they came to something — a something sphere.

MARK: Dyson.

JOHN: Oh, a Dyson sphere! You know about that?

MARK: Yep.

JOHN: Just so everybody understands — there’s a sun, and they build a sphere around the sun, and the inside surface of that is equivalent to millions of planets.

MARK: People live on the INSIDE of the sphere, instead of the outside of a planet, with the sun — it’s built AROUND the sun — so everything on the inside of the sphere is livable

JOHN: (Chuckling) Crazy!

MARK: That’s actually based on “Ringworld”. Those Dyson spheres are a scientific theory but “Ringworld” — that’s a book — where they take like….a strip of a sphere…

JOHN: And of course, that’s been imagined, and it’s out there, or in there somewhere. I’m just glad that we don’t run out of room.

MARK: We’d just imagine more!

MYRNA: You know what overwhelms me on these evenings — I sit here and it’s like — something’s going on with my head! (Laughs) I’m just feeling –

JOHN: It’s the subjective stuff that you’re getting.

MYRNA: What comes up for me is — the power of everything that Kris offers to us. All the insights. Incredible…power. And I just go, “Oh, I’m not up for this!”

MARK: But you are.

MYRNA: Oh, I know! But I’m overwhelmed.

MARK: But it’s from you to you!

MYRNA: I understand that. That’s part of what overwhelms me! Like I look at Kris and he has his eyes open, and he looks…and I’m looking at him and I’m thinking “This is ME talking to ME??” You know, I see his eyes and I hear his voice, and it’s just unbelievable! Doesn’t it just knock you for a loop? Well you two have been doing it long enough.

MARK: This particular night I noticed his eyes were open most of the time and there was a lot of emotion — there was a lot of smiling, almost chuckling — and it was fun. It was a good fun session and he was really enjoying himself. (Kris comes back) And here we go!

(Kris returns at 8:42 PM)

KRIS: Now, have you given thought to WHY you just said that?

MARK: Because I was enjoying MY self?

KRIS: We said earlier that your own moods are projected, thus you have created an evening where a different, more expansive mood of enjoyment was needed and required by your lovely selves. That carried all influences. And when you imagine that information must be heavy, (Loudly, pounding the chair arm with his fists) it must hit you on the head, it must be strong and powerful, you invent that as well.

In so many words then, this evening is a manifestation of your own words for you to see and weigh. This is also an opportunity for you to test the very flexibility of your own abilities that you CAN enjoy simply because you are able to enjoy such an evening. The boundaries of your imagination are extremely malleable. And as we hinted at earlier, your imagination is not stuck in your head. You imagine it is, but it is not. It is where you imagine yourselves to be. There is a slight difference in that kind of statement. You are where you imagine yourselves to be. And your imagination is where you imagine it to be.

That may throw you for a loop, but this kind of statement is not only Zen-like, but it contains many hidden nuances. And it is up to you then to find how many ways you can imagine yourselves being, and you can imagine your imagination being. You imagine yourselves into life and out of life. And the more you are stuck in the idea that your life — and when your body breathes its last — the more difficult it is for you to recognize that indeed, it has not! Only the projection of your image as it relates to your imagination has that potency to give you what you focus upon.

But when you are able to imagine that even when you give up the physical image, the physical body — that you will continue, your being will not cease to live — the easier it is for you to recognize the state and literally recuperate from disengaging the primary source of information in physical life — which is your physical senses — and access a world of information and knowledge that is not based upon the physical senses; but instead, a subjective universe that really and truly knows no boundaries, except those boundaries you insist must be somewhere. Does that make sense?

JOHN: I hope so.

KRIS: You had best imagine so!

JOHN: (Laughs) I imagine so, yes.

MYRNA: I um….I guess what I feel is such gratitude…because I look at your eyes and I KNOW its Shara-Leene or — or whomever — saying, “Hello, I’m here. Look what’s available, look who….” Sometimes I’m so overwhelmed, but right now I just feel such…gratitude…for all that you bring.

KRIS: That sense is not only shared, but we can say to you that you may use it to fill all of the nooks and crannies of your imagination towards your own self. Do you understand?

MYRNA: I’m not sure.

KRIS: Pretend that it is like a ray of light, of sunshine, and that it illuminates ALL of your imagination, and beyond. Thus you can no longer say you have a hard time imagining something.

MYRNA: Mmhm. I sit here and I look at Mark, I look at Michelle, and I look at John, and I look at Sarah, and Serge and myself, and I’m sitting here and thinking, “What went on that we conjured up this ability with expansiveness? I mean it just — it blows me away to think of us sitting here and yet, being offered — how we offered ourselves this opportunity to go way beyond — and I sometimes haven’t got a clue what to do with it. There’s a part of me that believes I’ve done this, I’ve offered this to myself for a reason, and I’ve set up a belief system that says I need to know that, rather than just enjoy it.

MICHELLE: (partially inaudible) [I just had] an imaginative, fun day with a two-year-old and I left that, and came directly here and just continued on! (Earlier Michelle had related her experience in the afternoon, pretending to be bunnies, allowing the child to choose the imaginative playacting roles.)

KRIS: It is also said that your emotions actually have a powerful influence upon weather patterns.

MYRNA: Weather patterns?

KRIS: Throughout the entire world, but it is not limited to the planet that you call home. Other stratas of your own selves affect tones that can indeed reverberate throughout the Universe as you know it. Though there is no specific weather in space as you understand it, there is still radiation of many different kinds, and your own tones travel under those forms throughout the Universe.

Sometimes a specific kind of radiation creates an effect on interstellar gases and dust creating beautiful nebulas that the Hubble telescope captures and colorizes. Other times the phenomenon stretches into other areas and you encounter spiraling galaxies that actually intertwine. Others are expressed as black holes where enormous transformations exist. And there are many, many other spatial phenomenon that is unknown to your scientists because their instrumentations do not capture all that there is to capture. Fortunately for you, even though you imagine that there are limitations to what you can do, you experience the results of those beliefs, but imagination itself is not truly blocked by any of your limiting beliefs. It still functions. It still exists. It still creates, in spite of all of your own limitations in those areas.

So next time you look at the clouds, or at night at the starry skies, ask yourselves what part of your being is out there, exerting a subtle, or not so subtle, influence. And we have a suggestion for the next gathering, if you are up to the challenge. Imagine that you are someone else. If you need to, you may even dress up in a manner suitable to the self you imagine yourself to be, and come as that individual, with the awareness of who you are, as well as who you imagine yourself to be. And pay attention to the various states, including the go-between. Do you understand?

JOHN: Yeah, it sounds like fun!

KRIS: You may consider it an imagination party.

JOHN: Now the next one is a Dinner & A Dead Guy, so let’s take the next one after that.

KRIS: We believe that that may not be so, (turning to Mark) is this correct?

MARK: Oh yes, this is true. I’ll have to check the schedule, or whatever, it [DAADG] wouldn’t work as well…

JOHN: Unless they were in on it. But I think coming dressed up as a different person — sounds like a HOOT! (Group laughter) And who are you going to come as, Kris?

KRIS: That is for us to know!

MICHELLE: And for you to find out.

KRIS: Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:57

KRIS: Then, we will leave you to the workings of your lovely imaginations and selves and may even your sweet dreams bring you blessings in many forms, as you can also give yourselves many blessings. You simply have to imagine it. And with that we say Good Evening and Good Night.

ALL: Good night, Kris.

(Session ends at 8:57 PM.)

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