Essence Tapestry

September 26, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 26, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)

In Castaic: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie) and Ester (Benata)

(8:00 PM Session begins)

[MARK’S NOTES: Ester was late due to traffic.

Also, just minutes before Kris made his appearance there was a giggling from the ladies on the Castaic side of the phone line. When asked why they were giggling Joanne responded that she was in mid sentence of saying that the chime clock had not chimed when all of a sudden it DID chime, a little late, but it did chime. During the course of the session it rand three or four times.]

MARK: 8:00 PM on the button! … CHIME! (Ester and Jo burst out in giggles.)

JO: Da Ta Da Da! (More laughter)

KRIS: Now at least you cannot fault us for being late, regardless of which historical time period we participate in!

ALL: Hello, Kris!

KRIS: Indeed, your lovely selves are definitely appreciated.

JO: Thank you! We appreciate you, too!

KRIS: Perhaps this evening we can weave together a variety of approaches that can hopefully expand your experience with the Numinous. Is that meeting your approval? (Pause)

PAUL: Yes. (Jo and Ester fall into gales of laughter) Speak up little mice!

KRIS: Perhaps we can begin with something relatively basic, or so you might think. What is your understanding of belief? Pretend for a moment that we know nothing of this notion of beliefs, and that you know something of them.

PAUL: I would venture that a belief is a set of values that filter and color everything — all of the energy that we project and that we receive.

JO: I think of them as little truths, with a small ‘T’ that shape our view of things and therefore our reality.

MARK: I was going to say a set of values that we hold to be true; true to us.

(Pause)

KRIS: Would “giggling girl” venture to explain beliefs to us?

(Group laughter)

ESTER: I’m drawing a blank.

KRIS: At the very least, for you beliefs are giggles!

ESTER: I think I will say something that I hold true, that is real to me.

KRIS: And of course, all of your definitions are valid. And this is a touchy area for many, especially when few people actually understand the true value of belief structures as integral to one’s living approach, how one’s life is shaped, molded, sculpted according to one’s own definitions of reality or beliefs or preferences. All of these are of such importance within the domain of your physical existence that it is definitely worth a revision every so often, especially when one begins to think that beliefs and belief structures might be in the way of one’s own fulfillment and therefore beliefs become the enemy, to be taken out in one way or another.

Whereas in the old-fashioned Judeo-Christian views, or other views, the impediments might be considered the temptations, the evils of the world, and so on and so forth. And when an individual transposes these old perceptions onto an ideology such as that espoused by Seth, Elias, ourselves or others, and chooses to interpret this material in the light of the old windows of perception, this merely complicates the individual’s own growth, but is also part of that growth process and it becomes necessary every once in a while to revise what is considered to be one’s personal belief structures.

When there is sufficient understanding of the function of beliefs — belief structures — as a most important translation mechanism, indeed it can become much easier to transform the very attributes of those convictions in such a manner that new convictions can be consciously created thereby CHANGING the end result, which is one’s individual life expression. One cannot truly benefit from tearing down one’s personal convictions thinking that this is the proper way to go, because you will be simply creating convictions out of the pile of conviction refuse you have just broken down.

These personal belief structures are SO necessary to the proper mental health and psychological well-being of the individual that they are found with every single focus personality or expression of Essence, without exception, that takes its birth in physical reality. So important is this translation mechanism that no focus personality in its right mind would choose to be without such a foundation. Does this make sense?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: We also spoke, some time back, about life threads. Do you recall?

(Yes)

We introduced this, obviously with the intention of returning to the subject matter, as we do now, because it is also woven into the process of the manner in which you construct the attributes of your physical expression through the translations of your belief structures. And just as important, and perhaps extremely ironic in a manner of speaking, no belief structure exists without an integral overview of the individual developing personality. Therefore, without these personal convictions, the personality itself would flounder. Do you follow?

(Yes)

We cannot stress enough on this matter that without belief structures the developing personality would simply not develop. The very physical body itself is a materialization of those integrated personal convictions that are in existence at least as a foundational system to the newborn personality, as evidenced by the unfolding physical life development of the newborn personality, whether that life unfolds for six months, six years, sixty years, or a hundred years. At the very onset there is a foundation that enables further developments. It is a fertile bed for the personality to awaken from. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

When we spoke of life threads, we made suggestions that it would definitely be of great assistance to notice not only one’s individual stream of thoughts, and ponderences, and musings, and so on and so forth, but to take the time and notice entire sets of thought patterns as essential to an awakening personality, one that awakens from its deep sleep of century interactions and widens its perspectives. And from that point of view, not only would the individual obtain a different vantage point of observations about his or her own thoughts and thought patterns themselves — many of which are often no longer considered constructive to that personality — but also to notice those that are still, and will continue to be, of value and fulfillment to that same individual.

And this leads into the recognition of entire episodes that hopefully the individual may recognize as being perhaps a source of personal grievance and stumbling blocks, patterns that seem to keep oneself from spreading one’s wings and soaring like the eagle. Such observations can lead into yet again a greater perspective in the sense that what we call life threads actually become recognized as threads that exist within the greater Essence Tapestry and this is perhaps a new idea again. For it is a fine thing to repeat words that have been spoken or heard of and claim that there is Essence connection, that one knows Essence, and so on and so forth.

But until that communion with the Numinous is experienced beyond boundaries of syntax and inter-actualization, one may have difficulty to cross that psychological threshold, and one method that we are offering that may be of assistance here is what we call “Essence Tapestry”, but it requires working with and recognizing one’s own life threads. Because where we are taking this, with Essence Tapestry, is yet a larger scale, or widening of perspective that may be meaningless unless one observes the patterns in one’s own physical present human life.

And we dare say herein lies one of the keys. And that is, any denying of, suppressing of, discounting of, minimizing and marginalizing of one’s OWN or OTHER’S own human experiences ultimately ends up in creating a dead end to spiritual unfolding because your own human flesh-life, your very own fleshiness, is interaction with the Numinous. Do you follow?

(Yes)

And does this make sense? At least it makes sense to you. It may not make sense to others.

MARK: Mind you I had to sit here and look up “Numinous” in the dictionary before it came clear.

KRIS: And what, pray tell is the dictionary’s definition?

MARK: The dictionary’s definition of “Numinous” is “Supernatural; Mysterious; Filled with a sense of the presence of divinity; Appealing to the higher emotions or to the aesthetic sense; Spiritual.

KRIS: That is a very loaded definition. So many individuals go on the basis of simply reading. And even though the reading, the intellectualizing and the discussion, does create a certain echo deep within the psyche, to actually understand the phenomenology one does have to go into the depth of human expression of the human experience instead of denying it, because it is through your fleshiness that you understand your divineness, and not the other way around.

We have said this many times: you do not become a better runner by cutting off your legs. Because then you simply cannot run. This evolves into a deep state of appreciation for one’s very human nature which may bring out points of contention with those who prefer to believe that one has to literally denigrate one’s human life, as if the denigration itself must become a badge of honor to show how spiritual one has become, as to hate one’s very own human life in order to love one’s pseudo-spiritual life. And this indeed WAS the course of action for many hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, in many religious bodies. And it still exists today in many of your social structures and religious camps.

Now, by developing a deep appreciation — a literal love for the flesh and the bones that you yourselves have created as the VEHICLE OF TRANSLATION — can you begin to appreciate the life threads that are part of your physical expression and move towards a recognition of the life threads of other focuses, other expressions of Essence. And this requires a refinement and practical application of the empathic senses, because the appreciation of, and the noticing of the life threads in your own existence patterns, and in the existence patterns of other focuses or expressions gradually spills over into an appreciation for the lives of those individuals that make up the human race. And they also, in a manner of speaking, are Expressions of Essence in a special category, as we have, in a manner of speaking, briefly displayed in last week’s session.

As this awareness unfolds, and as a clearer vantage point of the integral expressions of yours and others’ life threads becomes part of your perceptions, you may gradually open up to the noticing of life threads on a much larger scale — what we have termed Essence Tapestries. And this, from our vantage point, includes your many Essence bodies. And though this eventually becomes more and more complex, the developing personality begins to feel its existence is not only validated, but deeply rooted in the very fabric of life and can experience fulfillment BEYOND the everyday philosophies of consumerism, and other philosophies that abound in your societies. (Very intently:) Gradually doors of consciousness open up onto areas of such rich fields of authentic and practical knowledge that one becomes certain that one’s very existence IS the purpose of life and of being. Does this make sense to you?

(Yes, it does)

Now we realize that this practice is very encompassing and very large, but it does touch upon the very multidimensional nature of selfhood and it can be as Zen as you want to make it. But one thing should stand out, and that is that your lives are NOT insignificant, that you are NOT pariahs, that you are NOT the butt end of a cosmic joke. That your species, your entire race, is not hell-bent on destroying the Earth, the environment — though at times it needs reminders — but in many ways, like a child, it is exploring, it is searching for definition, for meaning, for purpose.

And along that path, you learn many lessons through the experiences themselves. And though there are times when the outcome of your very existence seems very dark indeed, you do search, and this very process is one of the many stages you go through as individuals and as a collective. Most important to understand is that there is purpose in your being, who you are. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:40

KRIS: Indeed then, we suggest a small break, most likely a well-deserved one, so that you can weave some understanding out of all of this.

(8:40 Break begins)

PAUL: That was big!

MARK: That was big.

PAUL: Mark, can you tell me about this Essence Tapestry practice? That’s relatively new or old, or what?

MARK: No, that’s brand new.

PAUL: OK, and the life threads? Was that introduced two weeks ago?

MARK: I believe even earlier…

SERGE: In the last session we had at Derrick’s before we quit for the summer.

PAUL: And when was that?

SERGE: It was at the end of June.

MARK: Well, he was exploring idea atmospheres, idea concepts, idea threads, and then he got into life threads.

PAUL: Yeah…yeah, that’s good! Very provocative — this whole chain…its like rivers…

MARK: Yeah, he started talking about once you start to acknowledge your own life threads, observing the life threads of your other focuses; well just before he said that, I had already started to do just that! Obviously I’ve been getting this on a different level, too, so I’ve been exploring a little.

PAUL: Right, right…so life threads was introduced back in June, was that a private session?

SERGE: No, a Monday group. It was the last one before we broke off for the summer.

PAUL: Oh, okay…one of these days I’ll find the time to put all this together.

JO: Would anyone like to venture an example of what that is like, you know, what that is, the life threads….

SERGE: Are you kidding??

PAUL: Well, I got one that came up, it doesn’t look like anything, it’s just mental, it’s introspective and contemplative, a contemplative practice like Triple ‘A’, NIRAA, and other things. For me — the question I might ask Kris about — this one life thread is out of body projection, and it’s connected to the belief structure and beliefs that he opened with. You know, these are belief systems — that we’re creating these physical manifest experiences. So I have a whole set of projection experiences and after two weeks ago — and I talked to Serge about this — I’ve had five lucid dreams within a week, which was unusual.

It was because Paul Tews had asked about a method to access an altered state of his and Kris talked to Ester too a little bit about it, about re-creating that — how you recreate that, and it captured my imagination — so there’s a life thread; and it triggered some projection experiences, so this goes into dream state, too, there’s a dreaming aspect part of this, also probable selves. You know it’s big enough without complicating it, but the one thing on this conscious creation theory he didn’t mention was that these probable selves are connected through these life threads, also. That’s a way to intersect probable selves, probable pasts and future selves just within the focus personality.

MARK: Also you have beliefs. For instance you may have a belief about something and how does that affect you financially, how does that affect you in relation to your love life, how does that affect you in your relationships with your friends, at this time as well as in your historical past and your historical future. You have threads that intertwine, and you can see the various areas of development. Also, John — Sohars — has created a chart, remember that? It was at a Dinner & a Dead Guy.

PAUL: Which chart?

MARK: He created a chart that Kris suggested that he actually market, that he put out there.

PAUL: I remember the conversation, but I don’t remember the chart.

MARK: He hasn’t put it out there publicly yet, I haven’t seen it, but it’s an Excel spreadsheet, I believe, that turns into a graph. You plug in numbers of say, the ten major events of your life, at various historical time points, and on a certain numerical scale you rate each event on seven or ten different aspects: where were you financially, where were you this, where were you that, it creates a chart that actually pieces together your threads.

PAUL: Oh, good tool…yeah, I remember this now, it sounds like a potentially powerful tool. The other comment I wanted to make, Mark, is that to pursue this example you gave, to go deeper into what Seth called Core belief systems, you want to try to get to core belief systems. That’s essential to everything, and Elias has presented ten of those. I can never remember all ten, but I’ve got nine of them here: Science, Sexuality, Emotion, Relationships, Duplicity, Senses, Origins of the universe, Religion/Spirituality, and Truth. And from those core areas extend life threads all the way through acorn, sapling and tree, within every focus and all the probable things.

MARK: So once you start identifying your own, and you start looking at those of your other focuses, then you begin to see Essence Tapestry on those core beliefs.

(Laughter on the Castaic end)

PAUL: Well, we’re just…yeah, exactly! We’re just laughing because it’s like, you know, the hell with the other focuses! (Raucous laughter)

MARK: I know!

PAUL: We’re just trying to get to our OWN, as a focus personality! That’s such a core part of the practice –

MARK: Oh! Hang on…(Kris returns)

(Break ends at 8:47)

KRIS: Indeed, your discussion is of great interest and very valid. Now, you have at least ten core belief systems, foundational beliefs that pertain to the spectrum of human experiences, correct?

MARK: Mmhmm.

KRIS: What would be preliminary to that?

MARK: Core beliefs about Essence.

KRIS: In between that. (Pause) Obviously you have to have a platform of beliefs that INCLUDE human focus personality expressions — physical reality, a platform belief upon which rests the ten and other foundational belief systems. Otherwise you have very little to build upon.

PAUL: Those are the blueprints, Kris, then?

KRIS: This is where you get into blueprints. They are indeed a variety of platforms that foundational systems can be built upon and these platform beliefs, one of which IS the physical universe, physical manifestation of energy. And alongside those IS physical human life expression to go INTO the manipulation of physically manifested energy. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

KRIS: In other words, you may create the most delicious cake batter but if you have no dish to bake it in, all you have is wet batter. The energy cannot be transformed by the heat of the oven into the mold in which you put it. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

So if you look further behind foundational belief systems, you have platform belief systems upon which the foundationals rest, and these are part of the major blueprint that extends way beyond any notion of physical reality universes as you understand. But that is perhaps for another night, when your brains have recuperated from this session!

PAUL: Just one quick question there, according to…

KRIS: That would be so unlike you! (Group laughter)

PAUL: I’ll try! Just to clarify with the Seth material, in “The Unknown Reality”, Seth talks about blueprints for reality and I believe he locates them, he situates them, in what he calls Framework Two, and you call Level Two — so my question is, are these platform beliefs situated in Level Two or do other threads of them extend into other levels?

KRIS: It would indeed have their roots into core Self and as they spread outward, in a manner of speaking, they are each transformed from different quadrants as well into the different levels or frameworks. In other interpretations of quadrant energies, where you may have facsimiles of your own frameworks, there are still transformations being given to energy, to consciousness, to units of consciousness in such manner that you have equivalents to what exists in your system but is transformed according to the nature of the other systems through which those idea atmospheres pass through. We are simply trying to oversimplify an extremely complex organizational structure.

PAUL: Well, that’s helpful, Kris, because in my own contemplation, it’s clear to most of us that we identify belief systems with physical focus, with framework one, and it’s relative to that. And yet, with Essence bodies in quadrants two and three, there’s some kind of value creation, as you’ve said, and so these life threads –

KRIS: This would then completely nullify the idea then, that Essence is neutral. The very fact that there is value eliminates neutrality.

PAUL: Right, right, but Essence does not hold beliefs the way focuses hold beliefs.

KRIS: That is correct.

PAUL: And yet there is some –

KRIS: We hold still, we hold value, value of experience. You could say that this is a meta-belief structure of immense proportions. We would define this as something akin to ‘All That Is’ desiring to know itself. If it did not know VALUE, ‘All That Is’ would not desire to know itself. Do you agree?

PAUL: Oh, yes, I follow, but I just want to be clear that — you used the term “meta-belief system” — you’re not saying that Essence holds beliefs like the focus does.

KRIS: That is correct.

PAUL: OK, I just want to be clear. But there’s value in value creation; there’s some counterpart of value and you’ve elaborated a bit on that.

KRIS: That is correct, because otherwise it would not represent itself in your system. Your system integrates an interpretation of those meta-values.

PAUL: Right and so the belief systems, Framework One belief systems, core beliefs, and we get into say, Framework Two blueprints, platform beliefs, structures for translation of Essence energy and yet that extends all the way inward to Core — Quadrant Four as you’re saying –there’s a structure of some kind, that connects all of this.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: Yes, Okay.

KRIS: Also difficult to translate into syntax, but also, the very notion of such an attempt brings about a sweetness to your own very lives that simultaneously brings a deep sadness when human life is shunned as a sign of spirituality. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

The very least that you can do for yourselves is to joyously, with GREAT EXUBERANCE, rejoice in your being of flesh and blood. REJOICE in your fleshiness, and there you will meet the Numinous. Reject your human life, and your quest is null and void. Please feel to ask other questions.

PAUL: I have one more question, Kris, and then I’m going to defer (chuckles in the background). Hey, I’m on a roll here! I’m on a thread…after the session two weeks ago, as I mentioned to Mark during the break, I had a series of lucid dreams based on trying to re-create those projection experiences — so that’s sort of a life thread, an example of a life thread I think I was exploring — and I wanted to ask a specific question about one of those experiences in which I became lucid in the dreamscape in a dream body, and I, to help make myself lucid I concentrated on what was a television screen, and I became lucid, very crystal clear in the dream body, and I then projected, used it as a dream trigger – which is Elias’ definition — projected through that screen, and I experienced sort of like on the science fiction shows of going through a wormhole, where a particle focus turns into a wave focus, and I could feel myself just spreading out and into a formlessness.

And so my question is, which dream body was I playing with there, and during that wave focus, what was I, where was I, what — (laughs) I’m not even articulating this the right way, but I’ll see what you have to say.

KRIS: We understand.

PAUL: (Laughing) Oh, good!

KRIS: (Pause) You obviously retained your interpretation of such an experience, and this is also valid. We believe that your experience was one of those rare moments when awareness approximated — we will simply call it — a slice of Essence. In other words, you — we do not like the word “merge”, because it has nefarious connotations — but a portion of your own awareness merged with a portion of Essence to allow you to experience such a widened perspective. Your interpretation of near-formlessness — it was not formless, but near-formless — was your interpretation of the vastness of this other form, which you call “Essence.” And in our perspective, it is actually MULTI-Essence. Do you follow that?

PAUL: Yes, and so when I came back into the lucid dream from that, and then actually woke up from a series of other lucid dreamscapes, my consciousness kind of felt like a rubber band that was kind of just going “wah, wah, wah, wah” and I noticed that, and it was so unique that it was uncomfortable to me, and so I chose to stop it, and yet, I was right at that threshold where I knew if I was able to hold my awareness and not let any anxiety come into that awareness, to go back, that I could experience that again any time. So, and yet it was such a stretching of my focus personality awareness.

KRIS: Indeed, either that or you need to stop watching Bugs Bunny.

(Raucous laughter)

But you have captured that interpretation very nicely. Now you may request assistance from an aspect of Essence that at times subjectively participates with you, and by consciously bringing this into your field of attention, you may gain by it. We would call this aspect of your Essence “Dhong-Jak-Taa.”

MARK: Klingon!!

PAUL: Would you mind spelling that?

KRIS: D-H-O-N-G dash J-A-K dash T-A-A

PAUL: Cool! (Laughter) Thanks for that name.

KRIS: This aspect of Essence would indeed be represented as a High Lama in Tibetan Buddhist tradition.

PAUL: Great! That was so helpful. Just a follow-up then, did I connect with Dhong-Jak-Taa then, to facilitate that experience?

KRIS: Indeed, that is why we bring it up.

PAUL: (Laughing) Sometimes it’s so obvious, you just have to say it out loud! (Group chuckles) Okay, thank you!

KRIS: By drawing upon that intonation may itself lead into other projections. Enjoy the ride!

PAUL: Ha ha! I will, thank you!

KRIS: Make certain that you are all comfortably tucked in and seat belts are locked.

PAUL: Always strapped in for the ride, Kris, thank you.

JO: I’d like to see if I’m understanding this, Kris. I’m trying to imagine life threads and how we begin to initially connect to them in infancy — even before birth, I imagine — whenever our bodies begin to be conscious and we begin to be conscious of things like gravity and blood and developing bones and amniotic fluid and the emotions of our mothers and the surrounding environment that she was in. Are these the sort of things, the basic core beliefs that start out our life threads?

KRIS: Prior to physical conception, you exist. You are. You choose to undergo the process of physical manifestation via the processes of procreation, gestation, and the birth canal. Most of you, like the 99.98% of the human race, choose to forget that portion of your developing personality, due to its unpleasant nature — being stuck in a small room for nine months, feeling your body grow, being surrounded by gases, worms and a host of other unpleasant things, and then squeezed through an aperture barely able to push you out, is indeed quite traumatic in itself, and then being pushed out of that environment into ANOTHER is again doubly traumatic, especially in many modern cultures where you are often physically assaulted the moment you take birth.

(Group laughter)

It is not surprising that this period is literally obliterated from memory!

JO: Okay, so are you saying that pre-birth trauma and those things psychologists talk about just don’t exist then?

KRIS: They do, but you forget about them.

JO: They become part of our belief structures, I imagine.

KRIS: Indeed, prior to that even, you already have a foundation of experiences you wish to draw to yourself and none of these are locked in stone. You have leeways to make modifications within that arrangement. You may not, say, six months into the gestation period, decide to grow wings or eight months into the gestation process decide to arbitrarily alter your gender. Nor may you at three years of age, decide that you want to drive a car, even though you may think about it. Do you understand?

JO: I think so. I guess I’m just wondering what an — of what I think is an example of what I think is a life thread of mine — like for example, I think I picked up at a very early age that I would have an appreciation of seeing the divine in simple things, from my mother. Is that a life thread?

KRIS: We would agree. This is part of your personal belief structure and it weaves its way through your entire existence.

JO: Okay. I think I understand then. Thank you.

PAUL: Just one follow-up question. Psychologists Otto Rank and Stan Graff have done research on neo-natal and pre-natal birth trauma and they’ve developed some theories and I just wanted to ask your opinion, Kris. You mentioned that these neo-natal, or pre-natal memories are obliterated but aren’t they really, I mean — you also mentioned that they still exist, so they ARE accessible, we just repress them, there’s some sort of repression put onto them because they are difficult and I guess their thought was that if they could be accessed and handled in an appropriate fashion that that kind of regression in service of the ego, as it’s called, could be very therapeutic. Could you comment on that?

KRIS: Perhaps in some situations, there might be some therapeutic value, but overall, your own birthing processes, as we suggested, are so traumatizing that it initiates a self-preserving mechanism to suppress them, as are many other processes as you grow in your first few months and years of life. It is not that you have no memory — you retain them all. The VERY FIRST CONTACT between the DNA nuclei in both ovum and sperm — that very first contact — you have memory of at that subjective level. You have memory of the entire cell division and transformation process.

You have memory of the moment brain tissue started to form itself, heart tissue, circulatory tissue, and so on and so forth. You retain memory of each and every process because these processes are dependent upon the momentum of the VALUE of your presence to that process. Your desiring to undergo the cellular transformation process itself is sufficient to give energy to the molecular structure that transforms itself into cells, into organs and tissues, into blood. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yes, it does, and so what our current belief systems that a fetus at 20 weeks, or up to 20 weeks, doesn’t feel any pain — this is part of the abortion issue — that really, part of it is — as you’re suggesting — there’s subjective memory, subjective awareness, there’s not objective awareness in the fetus yet, although there is some proto, elemental form of objective awareness –

KRIS: There has to be, because that developing fetus personality already anticipates what it is like to give freedom to its limbs and to its body outside of the womb’s environment, though it has yet to figure out in some sense, exactly how that process is to occur. There is a certain irony here, one that becomes painfully evident the moment labor starts.

MARK: (laughs) Is this one of those “be careful what you wish for” things?

KRIS: Indubitably! Nonetheless, without that unique spark of desire towards value fulfillment, none of this process would exist. Now some people ask, “Why would they choose experiences that are painful, harmful?” Because even though they may be painful or harmful to a certain degree, it is not the immediate experience that is perceived, but its eventual outcome, always a projection towards the next stage. You may hear, for example, from many individuals, even those who have had a difficult struggle with life, may come to a point in their understanding that if they had to do it all over again, perhaps very few things would be changed, in retrospect. Do you understand?

(Yes)

Because they have intuited that their experiences were valuable ALL for themselves, for the momentum they gave their existence from the MOMENT they conceived THEMSELVES into being, and have taken upon themselves to utilize the conventional birthing process at least as far as their imagery is concerned. Not everyone chooses to directly involve themselves into the very process of gestation. Some may indeed only be observing, still lending of their energy and choose only to directly interface with the physical imagery at a later time. But nonetheless it is their energy that lends to that process. It is indeed truly a magnificent, Numinous experience to be human.

PAUL: One final question, Kris: at what point does the focus personality form or emerge from this ovum/sperm moment through that nine month process?

KRIS: Some may choose, from the very onset, to be dynamically involved in the process. Others may choose to step into the process, so to speak, several months down the road. Others even, up to a few months after the birth of the emerging personality, still calculating their best shot at this adventure. Others may decide to opt out.

PAUL: But this is still a subjective awareness at that point until that choice is made? To engage the fetus body?

KRIS: We tend to agree. Objective awareness is developing, but may not gel until that interface is accomplished, and yet, this is merely terminology.

MARK: Is this like Joseph’s birth — Serge — where the baby was stillborn and where that personality stepped aside and where Joseph stepped in and took over that body? After the gestation period?

KRIS: This is another occurrence that is not unknown — not necessarily common practice — but does exist. And others may simply have had the desire to experience the preliminary stages of human growth and terminate their experiment, having no other desire to pursue interaction in the physical level. And of course this is taking into consideration that the parents and all related and affected individuals will then add their agreement to such a process for their own fulfillment. For nothing is done without that consideration. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Are there other lovely questions?

JO: This is not on topic. I didn’t get a chance at open night mike last time so I appreciate [this chance to speak]. I had a dream that Paul was explaining to our niece, Celia, that Aunt Jo — me — that I sometimes had trouble because of a bleed-through from my Anastasia focus. And I’m okay with asking this question because I rail so much against the “Cleopatra complex” in people — everyone’s Cleopatra, and probably everyone else is Anastasia of the Czar family — but I’m wondering if that is an affecting focus for me, in some way.

KRIS: We wish to take this opportunity then, to suggest something. Something a little bit different.

JO: Okay.

KRIS: There is therefore a reason why there may be so many Napoleons in padded cells, (Group laughter) Jesus in padded cells, and Hitlers and so on. This is not to say that other focuses necessarily require that you be in a padded cell, but there is a — we are looking for a word….. we will simply call it — “focus model.” Many such prominent historical figures are, in a manner of speaking, a model for others. Consider a stage play, where you have all the actors and actresses playing their roles. But the same play can simultaneously be performed in another city very far away with the same characters but different individuals playing those roles. Do you follow?

JO: Yes.

KRIS: And neither play is more real or less real. They are both entirely valid. And of course, the individuals playing the characters would be different. And though words may fail us, there is a process where individuals have focuses that model their characterization upon a historical period personage, and though some may debate that “No, MY focus is Cleopatra, and not yours,” they may indeed BOTH be valid. Do you understand so far?

JO: I think so. So, I can have a focus who models herself off of Anastasia?

KRIS: Indeed, and someone else may also have such a focus in their gallery of focuses. And both would be unique perspectives on that model, and both would be valid for the individual entertaining the model. And it does not in any way, shape or form invalidate, but actually enhances the individuality participating in such a process.

JO: We’re talking about inner models, more so than outer models; is this correct? I mean, when you talk about modeling, I could have a focus who’s modeling Anastasia, but who has never heard of Anastasia.

KRIS: Not necessarily. We are talking about focuses that ARE Anastasia. We have suggested that they are NOT invalid even though there may be multiples.

JO: Oh, interesting! So, was that a yes? (Group laughter)

KRIS: Anastasia is Anastasia. Somebody else is Anastasia IS Anastasia, and this is not quite the same as probable selves.

JO: Wow, so in this case, if there’s –

KRIS: Now, do not go about thinking that your Anastasia is perhaps a lower class.

JO: (Laughs) Okay! Did my Anastasia escape? (Everyone laughs)

KRIS: Your Anastasia is doing fine.

JO: (Laughs)

KRIS: This is a very large concept; one that may even confuse the issue since many people like to have their various focuses in neatly packaged little boxes.

JO: Right. Or Faberge eggs as the case may be.

KRIS: Indeed!

JO: Thank you.

KRIS: If you explore this, you may discover an entirely different perspective on focuses. This is a very RICH STREAM. Do not let semantics fool you.

MARK: What I get out of that is that focuses have multiple Essence bodies, each Essence body has a perspective and a role to play in that focus, and therefore colors it.

KRIS: Indeed, therefore we come back to our original proposal about life threads and Essence Tapestries. This is related. Do you follow? Multiple Essence bodies participate in the creation of threads that may even involve the creation of multiple focuses based upon a specific model. Now does that blow your fuses?

(Group laughter and unanimous affirmations)

MARK: Surprisingly, it provides clarity for me… to an extent!

KRIS: Do you have a certain grasp of the intent of our presentation? Do you at least recognize how big this is? We can only say that we first presented an initial talk on this in 1987. The time was not right to bring this concept about. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

At that point, idea of anything but ONE Essence, Source or body would have been anathema. Now, we have laid a certain foundation over these last years and months where we could expand upon the idea of multiple Essence bodies, dealing more directly with the multidimensional structure itself, tied in with the life threads and Essence Tapestries. This is in a certain way the “Big Easy.”

[MARK’S NOTES: anath?e?ma a: Devoted to evil, curse b: one that is cursed by ecclesiastical authority]

PAUL: Thank you so much, Kris.

JO: Yes, thank you, Kris.

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: 9:35

KRIS: Then we suggest that you all enjoy the rest of your lovely evening, however you wish to weave it. And we return Joseph to you and thank you deeply for your consideration and your appreciation.

(Session ends at 9:35)

JO: So what’s this about Serge being stillborn?

MARK: Serge was born in a house in Montreal, in his grandmother’s living room, with a midwife present.

SERGE: My grandmother.

MARK: Your grandmother AND a midwife.

SERGE: No, my grandmother WAS the midwife.

JO: Oh, how great!

SERGE: They called a nurse, and the nurse ended up giving my mom too much chloroform, so my grandmother got pissed off at her –

MARK: Whoa, hang on, slow down. Your mom was knocked out completely…

SERGE: Yeah, the chloroform made my mother pass out and my grandmother realized this was a big problem, so she got the nurse to sit on my mother’s stomach to help push me out –

JO: Oh my god!

SERGE: — but I was stillborn, and as soon as I came out, she threw the nurse out, told her to get the hell out of the house and she proceeded — my grandmother had a well in the kitchen, as opposed to tap water — she had an artesian well which had near ice-cold water, and she had a big wood stove, with a water warmer on the side, and she would dunk me into cold water and then into warm water until I eventually screamed, or cried.

(Incredulous laughter)

JO: My God! Talk about birth trauma!

SERGE: My grandmother told me that I was her first grandchild, and there was no way I was going to be stillborn!

MARK: Kris later explained to me, and this is published somewhere online, that due to the chloroform and that the baby was stillborn that Joseph took the opportunity, grasped that opportunity, to take that baby’s body and instill it with his life. Now, the grandmother — her Essence — was actually me (Philip) and Joseph, both combined, so both Philip and Joseph were a couple of the Essence bodies that made up Grandma Rose.

JO: Rose!! (Jo is synching on the “Essence of Rose” that Elias speaks of.)

SERGE: What’s funny is that my grandmother was 100% French Canadian, her husband was Italian, but she looked more Italian than he did!

MARK: Going back — and I tried to make a comment in there but — I actually, this Life Tapestry thing, when I started telling you tonight about my other focuses — I don’t have a GREAT sense of my other focuses, but Kris has obviously told me about Philip during the St. Chrodora (lifetime), where he (Philip) was the gardener, the doctor, the healer…. I get a little bit of insight into him…um….Deforest Kelley from Star Trek is a focus of mine –

JO: Ah! “Bones”! (Deforest Kelley, who played “Dr. McCoy” on the original Star Trek series was nicknamed “Bones” on the show.)

MARK: Exactly!

SERGE: In fact, what’s interesting is that there are facial resemblances.

MARK: And I’ve read a bit since his death, I’ve read some articles on him and he is like one of the most loved people, kind, considerate, never has a bad thing to say about anybody, and so on… and I started seeing — well, I’ve been getting a lot of interaction with Philip through the dream state AND in the waking state, and I find Philip to be very fun-loving. Marcy too, has talked about having dreams with Philip and Arindal jumping out of windows, which is [symbolic of] exploring consciousness and having fun, and him being a spiky-haired little elf, and so on, and I’m really getting the impression of Philip being of a very joyous, loving, compassionate, feeling, helpful intent. And I find, in my head, I’ll hear him chuckling away sometimes, and so on. By observing — even though I don’t have a great sense of my other focuses — I can take what I DO know, and then apply it, and then I can come up with some of my own life threads, to help me expand my own life threads.

JO: And you know, your description of Philip just now, just seems so right to me. I haven’t had the dreams, but your description of Marcy’s dream and what you just described just sounds really right to me.

MARK: Mmhmm. He loves to have fun!

JO: That “spiky-haired elf” [reference] is particularly resonant. Fun-loving, helpful…

MARK: But it’s interesting that during this lifetime I can pay attention and observe my own life threads and get a glimmer or a glimpse of some of the life threads of my other focuses that can help identify these life threads — my life threads, more of my life threads — in THIS lifetime, which adds to that Essence Tapestry and gives me a better picture of Philip.

JO: Right. It’s a wonderful concept to be exploring.

PAUL: The Essence Tapestry, from our perspective, just gets into feelings.

MARK: Yes?

PAUL: Feelings, feeling-tones, tone, tonal qualities, color, sound. That was an awesome session, Guys! Kris went from belief structures and right into life threads, then Essence Tapestries….he gave me an aspect name: Dhong Jak Taa! Sounds like Klingon –

MARK: Exactly!

SERGE: (laughs)

PAUL: But that’s my damn Helper, and I didn’t think to ask him — this aspect that I’ve met three or four times over the years, I’ve literally met in lucid focus and said, “Are you my Helper?” and he said, “Yes” and the image is out of focus but it’s changing as a black man, and a blond white man and so on and so forth. But I think it’s good for any Buddhist reading the transcript, they’ll say, “Oh, he’s got an aspect that’s a high lama!” (Group laughter) But in Guru yoga it’s a central practice in Tibetan lineages, and you know you chant — and the guru represents Essence — so this is just a really beautiful thing to get from Kris, a really beautiful transmission.

(General agreement all around. The evening ends with some general chitchat and then farewells are made.)

Multiple Essence Bodies

September 24, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 24, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)

In New Jersey: Daniel (Rahani), Natasha (Nuriel), Ella (Lazuli), and Inna (Mel-Nuur)

[TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: Apologies in advance if I attributed the wrong name to any of the voices ~ Ellen]

(Session begins at 4:09 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all comfortable.

ELLA: Very comfortable on a nice leather couch.

KRIS: Indeed, and we thank you for your kind consideration.

(Thank you)

KRIS: (Enunciating carefully) We can also speak slowly. (Group laughter)

(Mark asked the group to speak slowly due to their Russian accents for purposes of clarity in the transcription process. The accents were quite charming, actually, and the participants’ English was excellent. I had very little trouble. ~ Ellen)

ELLA: We will make the best effort on that! You understand?

KRIS: Completely.

ELLA: OK. Danik?

DANIEL: First question we were thinking about — Elias mentioned that three of us are maybe viewed as the points of the energy pyramid and we wondered if you have a comment on that — how can we use it? How we can — how to make use of it, and also if we need a person number four, a fourth point of the pyramid?

KRIS: Perhaps we can ask you all: what do you perceive this to mean for yourselves?

DANIEL: Well, Elias referred to myself, Natasha, and Inna as points of pyramid. We do feel balanced together. We do feel like we exchange information and in that way we help each other out, but other than on the level of feelings, or intuition, I can only think of some Balance or some Harmony that we feel, the three of us…I’m not sure I can feel beyond that.

KRIS: Now, at a conscious level, you all have your own personal sphere of influences and your own perceptions are unique and you DO exchange information, but more so at the subjective levels where knowledge and experiences are commonly expressed between all of you for a variety of reasons. And many of these exchanges may never even be perceived at the objective or conscious level, simply because it can be so problematic, because at the conscious level there is often a tendency to censor knowledge or information that may appear too far out of the box, so to speak.

But none of this information or materials or knowledge is ever lost, even when you cannot perceive it consciously, for the conscious level or layer of that information is indeed the smallest part of all. Consider the iceberg with only 1/10 of its mass above sea level, whilst underneath sea level — beneath the level of the sea — you have 9/10 of its huge mass, and what you commonly call the subjective or unconscious depths have a sphere of awareness that far outstrips any notions you may hold concerning how this material is exchanged and interpreted.

And when that information makes its way gradually through the layers of the conscious personality, it has already undergone much transformation in order to filter through the various belief structures that you hold. Much like a dream, for example. Deep dream events and actions are quite different from the scenarios that you remember upon awakening. What you remember upon awakening fits in with many notions that you have about reality, and those dream experiences that you entertain, that do not fit in with your beliefs or notions about existence often do not make themselves known to the conscious mind, but are still available to the entire personality — even that portion of the personality which is directed, whose attention is focused upon the external field of events.

But that portion of the personality that is focused objectively with imagery interactions is still aware of the larger body of subjective knowledge, but it may not necessarily pay attention simply because its attention is focusing elsewhere, and it may even consider this inner knowledge LESS of importance depending upon the way in which it has been trained, so to speak.

The more you gradually allow instances of cognition and inner perceptions to rise to the surface, the more this knowledge becomes consciously available to you. And it is indeed an art to cultivate oneself in such a manner and may even take years to develop, especially when it comes to censoring inner information simply because it may be foreign to the knowledge and information you entertain from the world of imagery relationships. Do rest assured that even when you are not necessarily conscious of such exchanges, you ARE still involved in those exchanges. It simply requires more patience on your parts to access this energy exchange that you hold whilst at the conscious level. Do you follow?

DANIEL: Yes, but I am also trying to connect us through the idea of the pyramid because Ella, for example — she is involved with us as a friend and she is interested in the same information and she is undergoing similar transformation — but what makes three of us points of the pyramid as opposed to someone who is not?

KRIS: Your friendship is not necessarily only from this focus. Your Essences have relationships, they have exchanges as well. You yourselves have various focuses that journey through time and space, often with very similar goals, similar orientations, similar challenges; and you have between you developed certain affinities much like instruments — musical instruments — that become attuned to each other because you are working on similar chords.

So this is not new for you, however, the expression of it this time is different, is new. Each incarnation, if you wish, explores a slightly different angle or point. So it facilitates the connections you now entertain and you are also connected not only through various focuses and focus adventures, but as we suggested, at Essence you have similar intent. You have similar interests, for even Essence has interests over others. Do you understand?

(Yes)

You also find it much easier to work issues out within close proximity of each other because there IS this affinity. Consider three different tuning forks. Are you familiar with the word “tuning fork”?

(Yes, we are)

Even though each tuning fork has its own rate of resonance, if you put them in proximity they will also begin to resonate, not only at their own frequency, but also in harmony with each other, creating a type of synergy. When you all choose to create focuses together, whether it is three or ten, you create a specific CHARGE or resonance that enables a type of exchange such as what you have now. And there are other focuses where you do not bother with each other, simply because you also recognize that in some way or another, you also need to get away from the other.

DANIEL: Is there another individual that we have met, or will meet soon, that is another point of this pyramid?

KRIS: (Pause) It is a possibility that within a year’s time you may meet two more, but these are merely perceptions. It also depends upon THEIR unique purposes in this lifetime.

ELLA: May we proceed?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: OK. Next question is: How many focuses we share altogether, and also, how many focuses I, Ella, share with Inna? My impression was I saw numbers 35 and 56. 35 for four [of us], and 56 for Inna and me.

KRIS: (Pause) Within that layer of exchange, we believe those numbers are fairly accurate, give or take a few. However, we also wish to suggest that there is another vantage point to be had here, because so far the descriptions have centered only around one particular Essence body of yours. Each of you on a larger scale, have more than one Essence body. The Essence body being another type of expression for your being, just as your focus personalities — your expressions of Essence — are themselves one unique individualized expression of one Essence. Do you understand so far?

(Yes)

From our perspective then, considering that each of you have several Essence bodies that have joint expressions, you have approximately (pause) 71 Essence interactions and approximately 130 specific pyramid exchanges on a much larger scale than the singular adventure that you participate in. Also understand that these larger Essence expressions and exchanges are not governed by linear sequences. A new one may be generated into an ancient historical past for very specific reasons concerning the focuses and their adventures. Or they may occur in a past that is itself an ancient future. The delineations, incorporations, may indeed be far more complex than anyone suspects. Needless to say, the network is very vast. Do you follow?

DANIEL: Yes we do. In relation to that somewhat, I wanted to ask about Essence family alignment and belongings that you gave each of us. It turns out that your perspective is somewhat different from Elias’ perspective because in my case for example, Elias gave me belonging to Sumafi and aligning with Sumari, and I sort of have begun to appreciate the meaning of this in my focus.

And then you gave me the six-pack information where Sumafi wasn’t even there, and I was wondering if you could comment on [the] different perspectives. I’m trying to make sense of previous information and your information and observe how it works.

KRIS: Indeed. As we have just now described to you that each of you have many other Essence bodies, other layers of being that lead into the multidimensional structures — the multidimensional personality structure that literally dwarfs anything you may be able to perceive at this point in time. Another example is this: consider the lovely computer in the workstation in the office. That singular workstation computer is connected to the server, correct?

(Yes)

Now, if you think of it in this fashion: that the workstation is your personality, that it is connected to an expression of the server, or the Essence you are familiar with. In an exchange, this server is connected to a multitude of other servers, each combining a vast network of processing power. Does that make sense so far?

NATASHA: Yes — but that’s endless!

KRIS: Indeed! Ultimately, there is an endless connection of Essences but various groups join out of similar interests, desires, challenges, goals, projects, fun — do not forget FUN! Essence is never so banal as to forget fun! — so you have in some ways a very large structure, and at that point it often becomes almost meaningless because it is so difficult to process from the workstation perspective. Do you follow?

(Yes)

From OUR perspective we are attempting to PUSH the boundaries of the knowledge that you have cultivated so far. So far you have cultivated an understanding that the workstation is connected to the server. Now PUSH that envelope further — that the server is itself an expression of a multitude of other, perhaps even more complex server structures, that are in themselves connected to yet even more complex arrangements and harmonics of such types of servers whose processors are so gargantuan in understanding that it is difficult for the smaller servers to actually grasp the magnificent array of knowledge and information that is processed at those other layers of servers. You could call them SUPER-servers. If you go beyond THOSE structures, you may get into servers that are so large, that knowledge of them can hardly be processed.

So when your own workstation eventually develops an awareness of the connections behind the connections and behind the connections, then it becomes indeed a massive living force — not dry and sterile unawareness, or merging awareness — but indeed a LIVING awareness. But it must still make sense to you to acknowledge it. So from our perspective, we are attempting again to lead you to the recognition that there is still more and more structures behind the structures, more knowledge, more energy, more awareness, always available in a never-ending journey of awakening. Does that make sense so far?

(It does)

When we describe the six-pack, we are actually RESTRAINING the information for the simple sake that many people barely grasp the material concerning ONE aligning and belonging with, never mind THREE of each! (Group laughs) And those that we’ve described in the now infamous six-pack pertain to many other Essence bodies that may be more prominent within your sphere of influence at that particular time. And exploring the definitions of those descriptions does bring you a wider awareness of intent that may not necessarily be brought to the surface of awareness until you delve into those areas. Does that make sense?

DANIEL: Yes.

KRIS: As you expand your collective understanding on this subject matter, your own humanity also deepens in awareness.

DANIEL: But — may I offer for a practical example and get your comments on that?

KRIS: Indeed.

DANIEL: When we had our first session with Elias and he suggested that Inna, Natasha and myself belong to Sumafi, then alignment with Ilda, and me — align with Sumari, we began to observe those qualities in ourselves, Sumafi quality for example. In fact we offered our impressions from those families, some of us, and we were correct from Elias’ perspective, so we spent time observing Essence qualities that link to Sumafi intent, and Essence qualities in me that I can link to Sumari intent, and then we had session with you and you offered us your perspective and, as I said, I’m trying to bring those qualities, observe them and make sense of them, and it seems that I can — but simply put, my question is: what happened to Sumafi? Is there no Sumafi in me whatsoever? Or how — how do I look at that?

KRIS: You may look at these as simply additional perspectives. It does not mean that because we did not identify Sumafi or Sumari they do not exist. When you interact with OUR OWN energies, then indeed there is a different re-organization of YOUR OWN energy matrixes. This adds another tonality to the whole of yourself. Other rooms within the great house of your being become discovered. Do you follow?

DANIEL: Yes, I think so.

MARK: Can I offer an analogy? If you are the workstation and you’re connecting to Elias through your primary Essence, you might connect through Sumafi or Sumari — but when you connect to Kris, you might do it through another server, another Essence body of your own that is NOT Sumafi or Sumari. They both exist, and you utilize both. Both are valid to YOU.

ELLA: It’s not instead of, it’s in addition to.

MARK: Correct.

DANIEL: Yeah, they compliment each other.

ELLA: That makes more sense.

KRIS: Indeed. Consider that when one of you is husband and the other is wife, you establish a specific relationship, but when a child is born out of your union, it does not negate the role of husband and wife. In fact, being mother and father may ENHANCE and embellish and enrich the role of husband and wife, because husband and wife now also become mother and father.

INNA: It adds to.

KRIS: That makes sense to you?

ALL: Yes.

DANIEL: Now, one quick question also: from your perspective, first, second and tertiary — you mentioned a “flowing of intent.” I’m trying to understand that. Can I look at that as my first family is how some new ideas are being born, and then second family is how I shape them up, and then third family is when it is close to being actualized?

KRIS: In many respects it might not even be necessary for you to catalogue them in that manner, but instead, that each of them offers to light your journey from their vantage point. When you travel upon the highway, you notice the lights, correct?

(Yes)

And the lights, both from your car and from the street lamps help guide your way at night. Even though from the human perspective one is closer, one is farther, and one is furthest away, still their function is to provide some light and it becomes irrelevant if one is closest or further except to fulfill the immediate purpose of lighting your way as you travel. By considering that primary, secondary, tertiary — either alignment or belonging to — ALL of them serve a specific function in this combination, and as you note some of the tastes and flavors offered on this buffet – you can indulge and eat as much as you can eat of the flavors offered to you all in due time.

And some of the perhaps furthest away intents eventually may make themselves known to you through your actions, your thoughts, your emotions, etc., and others may take even more time — others maybe sooner — but altogether, they may indeed even be embedded, molded in such a manner that they might appear inseparable one from the other. But upon closer imagination and examination you might see that there are patches from each brought together to give you an intricate picture of your reality as you express it from the core of your being.

Consider a symphony. You may hear some of the musical instruments more loudly than others, but that may all depend upon the flow of the musical piece performed and some instruments that were very soft before may become loud later on, and vice versa. And sounds from instruments that were not played at one moment may suddenly veer into another piece along the way, and all of them brought together create the orchestration of this beautiful piece of music that is your reality. Does that also make sense?

DANIEL: Yes, very much so.

KRIS: What other kinds of musical questions do you have?

(Laughter)

DANIEL: Well, we have couple of questions left on our list. We had an idea to maybe have a meditation if you think it’s a good idea.

KRIS: How closely are you all sitting together?

DANIEL: We can come closer to one room. We are coming to one room right now.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: We are all here.

KRIS: Indeed, we are now suggesting that you sit very comfortably with your backs as straight as possible without any strain. You may close your eyes, or keep them open as you see fit, and as you become comfortable and listen closely to the sound of our voice you allow yourselves to breathe deeply in such a manner that the four of you are all breathing in one rhythm. And slowly you exhale deeply, all of the concerns and the stresses of the day, all of what may annoy you, all of what has annoyed you, all of the ideas that may disturb you leave the area of your mind as you continue to breathe deeply.

And the more relaxed you continue to be, the easier it is for you to also become aware of the rhythm of your heartbeat. Deep in your body, you can sense and feel the beat of your heart. As you continue to feel the rhythm of your heartbeat, your relaxation deepens. All of the contrary thoughts and concerns leave your mind as all of those thoughts and concerns are like birds that are now free in the air, able to fly high and leave you with a deep sense of satisfaction. And the deeper your relaxation continues, you are able to sense in the depth of your being, a GREAT HALL, a corridor that you can walk down. This corridor or great hall leads into a GREAT ROOM OF LIGHT. A room that is filled with loving and nurturing light and in this room you feel all of the wounds, all of the hurts, all of the daily items nurtured and healed.

And as your healing unfolds, you become aware — you can become aware — of the presence of each other in this room, knowing that you are all in this great room of Life, receiving nurturing love and healing. And in this great room, you are able to sense, you recognize that you have the ability through sheer intent and loving desire to send out to all of your various focuses, alternate and probable selves, the deep loving energy of Essence itself; the caring and nurturing that goes through you and into the lives and times of all the other expressions of your Essence, into dozens, hundreds, even thousands of these other lovely expressions, that these others are entirely free to do with the energy as they need.

As you continue to be surrounded in this GREAT loving and nurturing, healing light, realize that you can even sense that you are MORE than the sum of all of your focuses, all of your probable selves and alternate selves. That in fact you are more than one mere Essence body, that you are many Essences at once, and from that vast pool of knowledge and understanding you are all more deeply enriched than you ever thought possible. And the more you bathe in this loving light, your energies all combine to share a depth of knowledge in a great separate Oneness — One being that is Many and that neither statement is contradictory.

And you begin once again to recognize the great breathing rhythm that is your own as well as that which is your friends’. And slowly you begin to move your fingers and toes, and on the count of three you will open your eyes and be completely focused in your room again. One, take a deep breath and exhale deeply. Two, move your hands and wrists and feet and ankles, and take another deep breath, exhaling loudly, and three, open your eyes, move your butts! (Laughter) Now breathe and be completely focused into your room.

MARK: That was such a lovely place.

ELLA: Yes! I saw Natasha way over there, making circles with the energy. (Inaudible, a reference to an “Indian guy”.)

DANIEL: Speaking of Indian guys, Inna had a very interesting episode, when someone approached her out of nowhere and offered her some predictions… so Inna, can you talk about it?

INNA: Um, I just had a feeling that it was some…a communication with you Kris… and this guy came to me and said…talked about my future life, how I’m going to be feeling good and that I’m going to be OK, and just before that, I was feeling bad, was depressed and feeling lonely, and this guy just appeared in front of my eyes, so I felt it was some kind of a communication.

DANIEL: You told me about the third guy, that you felt had a strong –

INNA: Yeah, he felt some energy from me…

KRIS: Now what are your interpretations?

INNA: I just felt like somebody connect to me, somebody say to me, you going to be OK, don’t worry.

KRIS: We may offer you another perspective: that you allowed your SELF — self in capital letters — to give you comfort and nurturing so that you deal with your small challenge.

INNA: OK — so who was it?

KRIS: A projection of YOU.

INNA: OK.

NATASHA: That was you yourself!

INNA: So you think it was ME? To be a type of projection?

KRIS: Indeed.

INNA: It was my Essence?

KRIS: You as Essence energy gave yourself a lift!

INNA: OK, that makes sense. And once, just before it, I had a dream and it was some kind of like… um…like a sphere, and the sphere — it was a lot of light and then it came out like a flare, and it was a lot of like Universe, and I thought it was a communication too, if somebody give me like “hello,” a sign — “we know you, we remember you”…..feels something like….feels very good. And somehow, I was thinking about you [Kris]…

KRIS: Another imagery that you allowed yourself this communication. Do not underestimate YOUR ability to exchange with your Essence from your focus perspective.

INNA: OK — so it was Essence communication?

KRIS: Indeed.

INNA: OK, thank you.

KRIS: You are sometimes –

ELLA: Can I ask you if…recently all of my smoke detectors were behaving in a very odd fashion and buzzing even when the batteries were removed? And I thought it was Elias’ energy. Would you be able to confirm that?

KRIS: It could very easily also have been your OWN energy.

ELLA: Yes, but — I’m not sure that I like to play with smoke detectors. I thought Elias was more in that venue.

MARK: (chuckles)

KRIS: Elias may be playful, but so can you!

ELLA: Are you saying it was Ella doing that?

KRIS: Your own Essence energies –

INNA: One question about information on the website is called “Wingmakers”? Basically it said the word, it was discovered in New Mexico and it was found a lot of painting, music and some kind of information that I understand would be helpful for the Shift. And all of the information was found saying was going to be seven sites in the world on each continent that’s going to be some kind of information to help humanity with the Shift. Do you confirm [this] as valid information? Is this site do exist? One of the sites was in New Mexico, but the rest of the sites [weren't] found yet. But the information says there will be seven sites in the world, on each continent.

KRIS: We do not have a sense that this information is as accurate as it would like to be. In other words, there are pieces to the puzzle that are missing. This is not an entirely accurate description. Do you understand?

INNA: There’s a translation going on?

KRIS: We are saying that it’s incomplete.

INNA: You complete it for us?

KRIS: Not at this time. We are saying that it is incomplete in the sense that, say you have 26 letters in your alphabet. This site has only perceived a few letters of the alphabet, but they are saying it is complete. Does that make sense to you?

ELLA: OK. Also recently, very recently we are flooded with emails that actually are very interesting but all relate to year 2012 — the significance of the actual changes that will occur and we feel that there’s a lot of inflation but seems to be that something is building up — that everything is speeding up and that’s why this information is so readily available.

KRIS: There is an acceleration of information of all types in your world and it will continue to increase, but not all information may actually pertain to either the Shift or your personal lives. Keep in mind that at all times there are multiple probabilities that are available to each individual, so you are always offered imagery of many different states of being simultaneously. YOU, out of the wisdom of your own being, choose those unique probabilities that are best suited for yourself, even though you might be flooded with many emails, much communications.

ELLA: Also, I think because we attract this information. We are interested in the Shift.

KRIS: Indeed, but not all information that you may receive may necessarily be valid.

ELLA: We understand that. We just wanted to sort of validate that with you. Also I feel that all of us recently, in a much more intense way, experience our relationship with energy in a more direct way — with different ways — but it’s very interesting, and for myself I just wanted to confirm that I energetically connect to a place in the future called “Outerversity” and I wanted to hear from you just a brief… if you have an answer on that. Do I actually — is it my imagination or I go to Outerversity for a walk?

KRIS: Now, what you perceive again is an interpretation. It does not mean it is less valid. It is valid for YOU. It brings YOU specific types of energy connections. Do you understand?

ELLA: Sort of. What you’re saying is that this is the way I connect to the energy, and this is the imagery I bring with it.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: What I am asking is there really a place like that or is that just an imaginary place?

KRIS: Do not confuse imaginary with worthless. Do you understand?

ELLA: Yes. I sort of understand. I’m just trying to…

KRIS: It does not mean that it is not valid, even if it does not exist in the sense that you are accustomed say, with the city of New York. For some people, the city of New York may very well be imaginary.

ELLA: That’s true, but I have like, a full-blown conversation with somebody in my head, and imagery which is very visual, and…. I might just have a vivid imagination or there’s some communication in it also.

KRIS: The detailing is almost irrelevant. The communication — what you derived FROM it is important. You could very well be hearing the voice of Mickey Mouse, but what is important is how the communication allows you to unfold as an individual.

ELLA: So what you’re saying is not be discouraged and not devalue the imagination and continue in this venue?

KRIS: Indeed. Respect it for what it is. Take it as it helps you, and you yourself make the discernments and the decisions that are necessary to act upon your choices. That is the bottom line.

ELLA: OK. I think I understood, but I just wanted to — am I — in this way — am I connecting to my own energy, to Ella’s energy, or to energy everywhere?

KRIS: You are connecting to YOUR energy, to YOUR Source. At this point in time, this is how you are perceiving the communications — through that imagery. Allow it to continue to grow, to manifest as it can for YOU. You will change, it will change.

ELLA: It reminds me the way you nurture and teach a child in a game. That child doesn’t know that child learns, but the game is useful…so that is what I’m doing? Right now I’m playing a game, and learning while I’m doing that?

KRIS: That is correct. With a child, you can play blocks. Each little block has a letter of the alphabet. The child thinks it is a pretty game with colorful little blocks. Little does the child realize that as he plays he is secretly learning about the alphabet and about words.

ELLA: Mmhm…OK, that makes sense to me actually. I am a little disappointed because I used to these people by now, but I guess I’ll just have to deal with it.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: OK. Thank you.

KRIS: Another perspective: your entire reality as you think of it is entirely imagery to other beings, and –

ELLA: Oh, that’s very clever, so I can tell to myself that that is also a reality, and just as real as my reality here?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: Oh, I like that better! (Laughter)

[MARK’S NOTES: At various points the four of them talk to each other. It appears that Ella is the designated spokesperson for the group.]

NATASHA: (inaudible)

ELLA: Yes, so that is future — Kris says that it’s all probability, or whatever.

KRIS: Indeed, in many ways, nothing is specifically set in stone. Even your physical reality is itself nothing more than a probability of something else.

ELLA: OK, all right…uh…very slinky! I’ll have to think about it.

KRIS: We are always sneaky!

ELLA: Not sneaky, I said slinky!

KRIS: [We are] that as well! (Group laughter) Our idea is to always make you think.

ELLA: I have a lot of thoughts in my head right now. That’s cool.

NATASHA: If we have a couple more minutes I want to ask this question.

KRIS: Please feel free.

NATASHA: OK. A while ago, I have read a couple of books written by Michael Newton who is past life regression therapy… um, doctor. And what he has written, he has one book on past life and one book he has written about life between life, and there he is talking about levels. And I know that neither Elias nor you like to talk about higher or lower levels, and so, but still, I would like to know how valid this is….and explain why. He was talking about the development of the Essence…he was talking about the color of vibration, the more advanced, and I am putting it into quotes — the “more advanced” Essence is the deeper and more tending to purple…tends to vibrate to the more deep purple level, almost to a black…so he was talking so about the gradations…it starts with white or light and yellow and progresses to yellow/red and so on. I wanted to know how much of a distortion it is, if it is a distortion. So, and basically, how valid is it?

KRIS: In many respects, the author is utilizing his own imagery. It may not necessarily be the standard, but that is how the author is able to deal with those deeper layers, if you wish, of information, of existence in realms that are removed from the ordinary physical imagery. This is HIS system of making sense of that type of information and it is with distortions, BUT at least it creates dialog. Do you understand?

NATASHA: Yeah, I understand. That’s what I suspected, that this is a distortion, but it has some valid information.

KRIS: Indeed, there are valuable items as well as distortion, but it will take your entire race much time to go through this, but YOU HAVE TO! That is how you yourselves have created a progression. Do you understand?

(Yes)

Like the child in kindergarten, in grade school, in high school, in University — all go through the educational system, but each stage is for THEIR level of development. And though the child may still hear stories in kindergarten, in grade school about the moon being made of cheese, eventually the child will give up that notion to understand that the moon is not cheese, but another celestial body. Do you follow?

NATASHA: Yes. Somewhat I do. And also he was talking about Essences who are inventing to create whole worlds, who create — start from stones and who then go and gain the knowledge, gain the skills and they try on different planets to actually create matter and then eventually to create life for it.

KRIS: That is a distortion. It is simply from the perspective of linear processes, but in reality Essence does not really have to try to create matter, because matter is merely another form of consciousness, of energy. It is the natural product of simply being — whether “being” means focus personality, Essence, multiple and multidimensional structures — still the basic foundation is consciousness. You do not try to create breathing, do you? You breathe naturally.

NATASHA: Yes, that’s right. OK, thanks, Kris.

DANIEL: Well, I have a brief question. During the private session, you identified my Essence name as Rahani, and I know you usually give names by naming a prominent focus. I just wanted a quick assessment, who was that person, or what qualities I can connect with?

KRIS: Rahani stands out within your own psyche as very important. We believe that this individual lived many, many ages ago. This specific personality structure has abilities of its own to project itself almost like Essence into different time frames. It is able to be in more than one place at the same time, almost like Essence, but cannot generate other focuses.

DANIEL: Oh, my god.

INNA: When was it?

KRIS: Rahani exists at least in two or three different time frames. One, amongst the ancient Altai people, one amongst the ancient second wave of the Vedic culture, and there is another projection that exists in a future time as you understand it. Each is almost the same personality — slightly different historical periods — but with the intent of interacting in such a manner as to obtain maximum growth potential.

ELLA: Amazing.

KRIS: A very evolved portion of Essence, if you wish. It is not like aspect of Essence, as in a Dream Walker, or Dream Ancestor, but a very evolved portion of Essence, very unique as well, a unique experiment. You can, through the auspices of deep meditation, utilize the name in a type of mantra to connect with that energy and sense its great adventure.

ELLA: Is that unique to Rahani, or do all of us have something similar?

KRIS: One moment please…Rahani is aware of its other projections, each projection aware of the other which makes it unique across time and space. Do you follow?

INNA: Yes, very much.

KRIS: Now, your question.

ELLA: I just wanted to ask if all of us have similar expression or is it unique to Rahani?

KRIS: All have to one degree or another, but most do not venture because it requires highly specialized concentration.

ELLA: So we could say that between four of us is only Rahani developed that?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: Rahani and Lazuli, is it possible that they were living in one of Rahani’s expressions in the same time frame?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: Also, if I may, Mark Brown and me were talking about our focuses that existed slightly more than 40,000 years ago and this was a civilization that had Vimanas. Could you comment on that? Is that correct impression?

KRIS: Repeat your original question.

ELLA: Me and Mark Brown got into our focuses that existed in a civilization — very advanced civilization — slightly more than 40,000 years ago. And my impression was that I was a young girl, and she was a Vimana pilot in training, and also liked belly dancing on the side.

KRIS: That connection is valid and interesting. Now, in order to make this connection even MORE interesting, we offer you a challenge. You gather information about this focus’ feelings, perceptions, beliefs, loves, tears, joys — in other words, we offer you a challenge to get right into the bones of that focus.

ELLA: Well, I do have pretty much a good feel of how she is and who she is because I have a lot of visuals on her.

KRIS: Allow the VISUAL imagery to unfold into EMOTIONAL imagery.

ELLA: There was an emotional input, but I will continue… but was it 40,000 years ago approximately. Did my focus have a Vimana ship?

KRIS: What is this word? (Note: Inna is pronouncing “Vimana” with the accent on the second syllable: vi-MAH-na. Kris pronounces it with accent on the first syllable: VIH-mana)

ELLA: You were talking before about Vimanas –

[Kris still looks puzzled.]

MARK: Vimana.

KRIS: Ah! indeed! Yes.

ELLA: I am a Vimana pilot!

KRIS: But we hope you do not belly dance while you are driving! (Group laughter)

ELLA: Actually we just merge together and fly like in Battlestar Galactica — do all sorts of stuff — she is very, very daring, but she’s also very good belly dancer, she does it for her friends. (Pause)

KRIS: Please continue.

ELLA: Continue, yes…Mark is my older brother and he’s training me to pilot Vimanas. His wife Dawn is my younger sister, she’s an artist and she’s in love with Elias who is in love with her who’s much older, about 35, and is married to another. He wants to take her with him, but she would prefer to stay home because she is afraid to leave her family at that time. My focus — I call her Ariah (my phonetic spelling ~ Ellen), but Mark called her Arrah, and she’s sort of Turkish looking, not skinny, but not overweight, and when she belly dances — that’s how I first saw her — she has this type of Middle-Eastern attire, with a lot of bells on her, and dances beautifully, very, very sensual — but overall is very daring, fun, sort of stubborn individual.

Mark also observed that that culture is sort of separate from the rest of the tribes living around — much higher in advancement and communicates to other world. I for some reason had a lot of imagery that they came from somewhere from Orion. Elias says that emissaries visit other civilizations in a lot of places. They were wearing sort of very long robes like in Middle-Eastern culture and they sort of were detached from other tribes, but it seems to be that they were still there to help, to evolve other cultures, very interesting culture, very interesting relationship with the people. I really enjoyed that imagery.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: My focus that I identified as a girl from Outerversity, Gail, she — the way I perceived Gail, she studied in two majors — art of creation and vibrational healing, and the very first — one of the first images I saw Gail created the painting of a belly dancer, so we all had a relationship because later I asked Gail that I found Arriah and she said, yes, I also tapped into that focus, so she was sort of suggesting that to me. How did I do?

KRIS: Indeed. Now again, our humble challenge to you is to allow this type of information exchange to reach deeper into you.

ELLA: Uh…”dig deeper”…is that what you say?

KRIS: Allow the exchange to go deeper into you.

ELLA: When you say deeper into me, I sometimes have a feeling that I come out of myself and float on my own energy, and maybe at that time, I can get even closer to that but I’m not sure what — it’s all very visual to me — I by now can’t distinguish them from my friends’. They are so vibrant and alive and they have personalities, and I know their faces, I know how their hair moves, I know their life stories, or some of what they’re willing to share. I know that Gail likes acrobatics with anti-gravity belt. And she really enjoys that! And I want one too! Can I get an anti-gravity belt?

MARK: (Laughing) OK — can you move beyond the imagery and actually BE, experience what she feels?

ELLA: Oh yes, I mean, once in a while I do. I cannot claim I do it all the time but that is my goal.

MARK: Yes.

ELLA: I would like to feel them, right now. I am trying to connect to them and actually sort of feel it more physical. I can feel usually my yellow energy center expands and speeds up and that’s how it all starts, so then, depending on my concentration, I could continue but I do not claim that I can do it every time. I am best at free-flight, when I do it spontaneously; when I try very hard, it’s more difficult and I get frustrated, so I have to take it sometimes as it goes.

KRIS: Indeed, we are familiar with frustration.

(Mark chuckles)

ELLA: Well — I want to get there!

KRIS: What we mean is that at this point, you are engaged in imagery, watching the events like a film. That is the preliminary stages. It is necessary because from your ego perspective, you are assessing all of this imagery, trying to find YOUR place in it, and that is very valid. But there will come another stage where much like a dream, another LAYER of it involves moving beyond observing the imagery and actually becoming part of the very imagery that you are observing.

ELLA: Well, I am interacting with them right now on very personal level, but that’s the frustrating part because I’m not that good at it yet. I’m getting there.

KRIS: Indeed, you will eventually slide into that layer and our suggestion is to keep records, keep writing about this.

ELLA: Yes, I do. Thank you, I do. I appreciate the suggestion.

KRIS: Because it will also show you about the great flexibility of your own awareness and consciousness.

ELLA: I just wanted to thank you for encouraging me in that because at times I do have self-doubts and it gives me opportunity to continue this way without thinking I’m certifiable.

KRIS: You do not have to be certifiable to utilize your imagination.

ELLA: Well, in my present belief, it was very difficult for me to accept it at first.

KRIS: Indeed, often the struggles occur when inner imagery is compared to outer imagery.

ELLA: Um, OK. I know what you’re saying.

KRIS: Indeed, both are acceptable and both may not be meshed — brought together — but they are still valid.

ELLA: Uh…my friends are very concerned that I’m abusing you, so I think –

KRIS: Do you think you also abuse us?

ELLA: Well, I don’t know, I get the sense that you like that, otherwise, you would stop it long before.

KRIS: Indeed, we greatly enjoy your lovely energies. You are –

ELLA: I feeling the green energy center very much right now, you are expanding me there somehow or I’m expanding me.

KRIS: Indeed, for at least 15 minutes. (Group laughter)

ELLA: Well, that is a very pleasant energy interaction and it has a minty aftertaste.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLA: Maybe you have a minty gum or something.

KRIS: We have an affinity for the four of you for a very specific reason.

ELLA: How is that?

KRIS: Each of your Essences have Source — we have explained that your beings are composed of multiple Essences — one of these is Brahm… For the four of you.

ELLA: We didn’t understand the word.

MARK: Brahm.

KRIS: Brahm is our larger body — our own multi-dimensional personality structure.

ELLA: Would you spell it? I don’t understand the word.

MARK: B-R-A-H-M…. B as in “boy.” Brahm.

ALL: Oh! Brahm!

ELLA: I never heard that word before. What does it mean?

MARK: (Laughing) That’s Kris! That’s –

NATASHA: Larger –

MARK: Yes!

INNA: (Incredulously) So we all are related to Kris??

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: At that other LAYER.

NATASHA: You like this.

ELLA: Oh,yes! You have left me speechless! Right now.

DANIEL: (Humorously) And that doesn’t happen very often! (Hearty group laughter)

NATASHA: That is true! I will agree with that!

KRIS: We concur. All four of you are so lovely. You have a great enough sense of humor to poke fun at each other.

ELLA: Yes. Danik is good at that — Danik; I’ll get you for that! (To Kris) So maybe you come visit sometime? Like aside from session?

KRIS: You wish us to fly in our Vimana?

ELLA: (Laughter) I call my Vimana — VIH-mana, you say — Azoura — I can call it by name and it just comes and we fly together. (Background chuckles from the group) Yes! It’s really cute, because it was made for me, I recognize it in my mind wave, and we just fly together!

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 5:41.

KRIS: Indeed then, we suggest that we end our lovely discussion.

(OK)

We thank you all for the great opportunity to exchange with all four of you.

ELLA: Thank you. It was unbelievable.

KRIS: Of all the things that you explore and discover about your lives, about energy, remember there is one above all others that should always be cultivated, and that is that you are blessed beings.

ALL: Thank you so much.

KRIS: And with that we return Joseph to you, and again thank you for listening to our humble voice.

(Session ends at 5:42)

World of Self

September 19, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 19, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Andrea (Jarasen) and Martin (Turinga)

[MARK’S NOTES: Andrea and Martin went to South America in August and since this was the first time that we have seen them since their trip, they were telling us a bit about their journey.]

(Session begins at 7:52 PM)

KRIS: Indeed, welcome, especially our young world travelers.

There are many ways to travel the world. There is of course, the use of all the modern means of transportation, which are far faster than old bi-pedal locomotion. There is another way as well that can be utilized that would require no great expenditures, no great amount of time spent to and from, and in fact very little physical exertion at all.

That would require recognizing the ‘World of Self’ and in THAT world there are also varying geographical-like locations. There are various continents and countries of Self. There are various areas that are populated with the belief structures that you normally utilize, as well as areas that contain subordinate belief structures that function in the background enabling you to make proper use of those belief structures on an everyday basis.

And most certainly the entire construction of this Self is even more colorful, more varied, than anything your species is collectively able to put together – to stitch together – to create the tapestry of physical reality as you presently understand it. In fact, the physical world is an APPROXIMATION that reflects the original blueprints that are contained and actually make up the self that you know, and the self that you do NOT know.

And by learning to pay attention and noticing — utilizing the three ‘A’ method as one possible process — you can become better acquainted with this vast inner realm that is Self in the same manner that you would study books: geography, history, and anything else pertaining to the present world as it is demonstrated to you. And of course, some individuals may be more inclined to make a study of certain portions of their lives, certain segments of their existence over others, as would some individuals being more interested in biology than geography, some more in archeology than anthropology, psychology, physics, and so on and so forth.

All of the aspects, all of the beautifully compartmentalized and catalogued and labeled areas of study that your world at any given stage in time and history is inclined to consider as it’s type of science, is a reflection of the individual inner realities as well as the collective inner realities of the person or the species at any given moment on the scale of universal expressions.

So indeed when you travel to foreign locations, even though you may not have understood the processes, you began the exploration — as you did your journey last year [referring to Andrea and Martin’s trip to South East Asia] — you began the exploration of various aspects of your own psyches, of your own selves, while still maintaining a certain degree of semblance and familiarity, though under different circumstances, cultural backgrounds, historical adventures and so on and so forth.

In other words yet, your journey is another type of conscious dream even though you believe that you were fully awake and aware of your experiences in that time and place — still, even though you seem to recollect having purchased flight seats, traveled to airports, made connections, traveled by land, and so on and so forth as part of your journey — you entertained that kind of a consciously-focused dream experience within which you fully awakened all of your regular sensory perceptions.

And though at the physical level you traveled some distance, you — or anyone else for that matter – [you] never really truly go anywhere in the strict sense of consciousness. That is for another time and exploration, but suffice it to say, that the same splendor and awe that you experienced on this or other journeys is a reflection of other portions of yourself, other dimensions of your being, or an atmosphere within which you travel. And whether that actually makes any sense to you or not is not specifically the issue, but that you simply understand that traveling is something that occurs in more than the physical realm. Do you follow?

The more you spend time exploring the very constructions, the make-up, the elements that compose your own very HUMAN personality, the more you explore what is Self, the more of course that it would seem as if there are more questions available than there are answers. Until you start paying more attention, listening that much more, noticing that much more, only to realize that the world that you know — the world you think you know — actually is far different than the one your physical senses interpret for you. And the more you discover the SHEER GENIUS of the human personality itself, the more your understanding and awareness can expand. The more you enrich your lives in this way, the more aware you become of the values and the convictions within your existence and at your disposal, you alter the very face of reality, but not in a manner that requires hammers and chisels, but instead [in a manner that] makes use of instruments of consciousness to literally transform the world that you know. And yet, all of this usually occurs in the background of the human personality structure, and for a good reason.

Nonetheless, it is this, the human personality structure, that merits much more consideration, much more exploration even than your modern psychologies and sciences are exploring at this point in time. And such explorations will eventually come to the conclusion that the human personality, the individual, is more than the sum of all of its parts, is more even than the very idea of itself and that somewhere in between these two poles are the keys to potential fulfillment. As you continue exploring both your inner and outer worlds, then do you recognize that indeed you can transcend the very limitations that you have imposed upon your personality structure.

The idea often espoused in modern society of “ascension” is in itself a severe distortion of the very issue of transcending limitations. The limitations are your own. They have not been imposed upon you by an outside agency. There is no higher power pulling your strings like a marionette. There are no hidden, dark forces manipulating you. You, however, choose various preferences with which you build the experiences of your daily expressed reality. By recognizing that these preferences, or beliefs, or convictions, they are the very same issue, then you can determine how you may leave behind those convictions that you have upheld to this day that you utilize to limit your experiences.

You can indeed transcend them to OTHER convictions or preferences or beliefs that can indeed allow you to release yourselves from the shackles of your fears, your own put-downs, your own sense of flaws and iniquities, your own personalized duplicities. And in becoming congruent, you can indeed experience fulfillment the likes of which you dream about. Because in this physically expressed reality — which is in itself a different type or species of dream — you convince yourselves of the reality and solidity (your experiences within the physical realm) for it appears to you that anything else must be doubtful of existence, because you have your physical world, you walk upon the physical Earth, you breathe air, you have physically-oriented experiences, you have subjectively-oriented experiences and at this flashpoint of consciousness with your designs, physical reality takes its existence. And this will also provide you — and eventually your own species, your own sciences — with additional information concerning the very construction of the human personality.

For the human personality is not a mishmash of traits and characteristics that have no specific substance or structuring, such as when it appears to you that your own personality is at the whim of events and conditions and circumstances. And when you try to establish a certain, egoic at best, control over this apparent anarchy and psychological chaos, you think that you have gotten a good handle on the personality; but indeed this is only one small aspect of the vast dimension that is the human personality structure.

And the more you make the effort to actually study your person — whom and what you THINK you are: an assemblage of characteristics and traits and so on, including genetic materials — when you make that concerted effort, you not only begin to understand more of whom and what you are, but of the world itself, because your inner realities are the stuff of which your physical world takes its shape, its form, its color, its depth and its intensity. The human personality itself is highly organized — meticulously so — but its cues are taken from the preferences or beliefs — those convictions that you hold, both at conscious and unconscious, objective or subjective levels — and the major portion of those elements are found within the subjective experiences.

You like to think that your personality, as you know yourself, is more or less immutable, that the only changes truly are those that pertain to the physical transformations that occur from infants to youth to adult to middle and mature adult stages. That is only part of the picture that is closest to the physical aspect. One could say that the various aspects that compose the human personality orbit the core of the personality much like various satellites orbit a planet or planets orbit the Sun. It could also be said that the various aspects and components of the human personality are nested much like Russian dolls that within each doll is found a smaller one yet.

It could also be said that the human personality is layered. That would lead to the supposition that a lower layer of the personality is somehow or other inferior to a higher layer. That is NOT the intent nor how it functions. The various aspects of the human personality are often thought to be within areas of the brain itself, but these areas of the brain represent arrangements of aspects with their various belief structures. And yet, your very own English language poses a limitation because the human personality structure is not organized along those lines, nor is it structured linearly or logically in any way, shape, or form; yet it contains an order that can easily put to shame any of the most advanced computer programs that would provide a facsimile of neurological functions. Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:24.

KRIS: We ask for a small break, mainly so that we will not bore you all at once with this material, but only in small doses. (Laughter)

(8:24 PM. Break begins)

JOHN: OK, I’ve got a question. We’re saying that we should embark upon a study of our human personality. How would one do that? Does one get a book? Do you start saying “I’m very happy to embark upon this study that I just don’t know quite how to interpret” –

MARK: Triple ‘A’ — but it’s more than just looking at it from the scientific point of view. You have to look at it from ALL points of view. Be OBSERVANT of yourself and your own thoughts and your own perceptions, and reactions.

JOHN: Sometimes, if you try and look at everything you end up looking at nothing. Like, I hear what you’re saying, but I’m looking for some kind of map — road map, curriculum, uh — some kind of — its one thing to say “embark upon a study of yourself,” right? Which is good obviously, at many levels I’ve been doing that all my life — at the same time though, if everybody was already doing that, then why are we talking about… [Mark interrupts].

MARK: Not everybody is. How many people actually sit and write down their dreams? And pay attention to their dreams? How many people pay attention to the random thoughts and where they come from? You know there are a lot of people in this climate that have never heard of any of this material.

JOHN: I’m going to need a secretary or some kind of a personal assistant (general chuckles from the group) to kind of get this underway!

ANDREA: That was my question. I’m not sure how to go about it.

MARK: I’m sure you’ll come back with some, but I’m just throwing out some from the top of my head — there’s just a couple: automatic writing, um — dreams is a big one, obviously –

JOHN: So let’s just say in a practical thing — we have a life here, right? So let’s say we devote, let’s say an hour to this on a daily basis — let’s say 10 to 15 minutes in the morning doing the dream thing, but throughout the day events come up, something happens — let’s say a thought comes through and you say, “WHAT is that thought – ? – where, who -??” and you maybe jot it down, or notice it, or address, acknowledge, right? — but in a sense, it ends up being so subtle that it’s almost like….just living your life. I’m looking for something more concrete than that, you know?

MARK: We will have to see what he [Kris] has to say about that.

JOHN: That thing about traveling was interesting at the beginning, wasn’t it? Very colorful. I think it was Lao Tzu — the Tao de Ching — one of the little couplets, one of the things I always loved says: the world can be known from a ROOM, and the wise man doesn’t have to close his door, or something like that, right? So I have a feeling that [Kris] might have been hinting at that.

MARK: We’ve had similar discussions. We’ve talked about ‘psychological atmospheres ‘before. Down at the chiropractor’s, when we were in there, remember, I went into the to use the bathroom — ‘the OTHER room’ –, where I didn’t really leave, and nobody else did, it’s just a matter of –

[http://krischronicles.com/2005-transcripts/may-26-2005-breathing-revolution.html]

JOHN: Units of consciousness –

MARK: Yeah, there’s that level of it, too.

ANDREA: — if you stay in a room, you are not getting the reflection being reflected back to you, because people who reflect your beliefs…. if you’re in the room [alone], you’re not getting any feedback.

MARK: Well, if you’re in THIS room right now, you’re in ONE ‘psychological atmosphere’, and the minute you go out that door, you’re entering into different psychological atmosphere and if you travel to South America, you’re entering DIFFERENT psychological atmosphere, but you’re still [traveling] within YOURSELF.

ANDREA: But it’s still having an impact on you.

MARK: Yeah, of course.

JOHN: Actually, I find the idea that you don’t ever really go anywhere a tiny bit anti-climactic — sort of like “Oh, it’s all just mirrors!” (Group laughter)

MARK: He said the human personality is sheer genius! We can [and do] pull off all of these smoke and mirrors!

JOHN: Oh yeah! I’m not touching that! No, honestly — as a matter of fact — the more I examine this — what we’re doing, what I’m doing — the more I’m impressed by it because it’s a piece of work, it really is and –

SERGE: Some people are more “pieces of work” than others. (Laughter)

JOHN: Oh definitely! It’s true.

MARTIN: [Martin was inaudible on the recording, but from what I remember, he made a comment to the effect that if you were travel to every location on the planet you would experience every ‘psychological atmosphere’ of yourself.]

MARK: Except that the physical reality is only still one aspect of self. You need to go outside of physical reality as well — but, point well taken — the world and universe we create is ourselves — aspects of ourselves, yes – and the more you see, the more you observe in different areas, [from different perspectives] the more material –

(Kris returns. Break ends at 8:31)

KRIS: You are accustomed to thinking of your own personality as the extent and possibly even the EPITOME of your creative abilities, and that which is perceived by your senses is the reality that you create. In fact, many people actually make that mistake. It is a distortion to think that something that has not happened; an event that does not occur in your own backyard is therefore not your reality. And it is a mistake to isolate one small portion of self and think this is the whole self. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

A pleasant practice is to go to an intersection, preferably NOT when it is traffic hour, and look down each street and consider for a moment the possibility that in each direction you aim your attention, your focus, THAT is a portion of Self that you are looking at — that you are literally peering at. One aspect, one dimension of your own psyche, of your own whole Self, and anything, any event, conditions, circumstances that occur in a 360 degree range, whether it is only one foot in circumference to you — 20 feet, 20 miles, 20,000 miles, or 20 MILLION miles — that flashpoint of Self is where your consciousness is expressing itself with awareness, with direct awareness. And everything that concentrically extends from that flashpoint is ALSO Self — reaching out in ALL directions simultaneously to literally involve the entire world.

So, various events that occur in other parts of the world — whether they are in conflicts, treaties, and so on and so forth — all represent activity within the larger sphere of YOUR being, but STILL within the physical context of the psyche. Beyond that exist other contexts yet, but you need not concern yourselves overly with those. What is of importance is that you recognize that the entire world is an expression of YOU to one degree or another.

The conflicts that may indeed occur in North Korea, or Afghanistan, inside Iraq, or some other situation in foreign places — Indonesia, Japan, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, the United States, Canada – any other area — is still a physically-expressed portion of YOUR psyche’s experience.

So you do, through such mechanisms, experience various belief systems from the consensus reality and your own private preferences are then experienced through your immediate daily living and all of the philosophies of your world, all of the teachings, all of the religions, whether in the ancient past, the present or the future, are other “countries” of and “species” of preferences of beliefs that you hold far and wide. And indeed without convictions and value convictions, indeed the very notion of your species would perhaps not even BE (inaudible word) across time and space.

Your immediate personal experiences of reality are therefore a reflection of your immediate beliefs and preferences or convictions. These are often mirrored once you are semi or conscious of even though you accumulate other preferences and convictions on a daily basis adding to the warehouse of beliefs that you already maintain and hold to.

And lest you assume that — as is often done — that all beliefs somehow or other must be eliminated, or done away with, or changed, these are often nothing more than exercises in futility. As long as you do remember that the beliefs that you hold, your personal beliefs, your personal preferences and convictions, can be exchanged for convictions and preferences that are more suitable.

The human personality structure is matrixed in an extremely complex arrangement following an order that is neither linear nor non-linear, that is neither logical nor non-logical, intuitive or non-intuitive, but in between each state. There are harmonics that help you organize and orchestrate your own personalized convictions which are in many ways no more than sets of views, assumptions, even thoughts that you have collected and decided to adhere to more than any other set of thoughts, etc.

When you consider the possibility as we have suggested, of studying your own personality, you would in effect be unraveling the story of your life. For your own life, your feelings, your thoughts, your expressions, your movements, etc. are on display for YOU to see. And much like the author creating his or her characters for the storyline which he or she has to imbue not only with traits and characteristics; but a reason FOR those traits and characteristics, be it genetic, familial, social, cultural, historical, and so on and so forth.

And similarly, you utilize these contexts to give shape, form and expression, power and authority and authenticity to your personality structure. It is actually the art of observation which enables you to understand the reasons why and the motivations behind some of your actions, even when you may claim you do not understand why or how you do such and such a thing.

Recently we appear to be the cause of some activities — and again this is not without purpose, whether it appeared to have begun with a session that eventually ended up being called “Rose-Colored Glasses” to the more recent developments of the discussion forums. All of this together is truly fascinating if one takes the time to study it. Now would you be so kind, Philip, as to find the definition in the dictionary for the word “duplicity.”

JOHN: (sotto voce) Two of something, right? Two…perspectives…

[Pause while Mark runs to the other room to grab the dictionary.]

MARK: “Duplicity: contradictory, doubleness of thought, speech, or action especially the belying of one’s true intentions by deceptive words or actions. ” Number two: “The quality or state of being double or twofold.”

KRIS: Indeed, this latter definition would be most appropriate. Now in many circles, the word “duplicity” is bantered about and it is spoken of and utilized even when very little is understood about the word, or even the belief system. When an individual holds opposing convictions — literally feels oftentimes flashing convictions such as believing that one thing is good then another must be bad — then there are entire sets of problems and conflicts that can arise, and as these apparent contradictions continue to be manifested and cultivated within the individual’s perceptions, then the reality is very much reflective of those issues. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Mmhm. Yes.

KRIS: There is also another side to this belief system which we hope to get into this evening, but first we wish to bring about some explanation for our apparent contradictory utilization of so-called very human values. And the values are not ours. They are YOURS. When we make use of them, it is specifically to try to bring your attention to the dualities that you entertain, especially when they can be diametrically opposed.

And when we engage those tactics, it is to help bring about a recognition of your own hidden dualities and duplicities. The ones you hide from yourselves. The ones you do not address for fear that you would be appearing as somewhat less knowledgeable. And when you hide these things form yourself, you only harm yourself that much more by maintaining incongruent perspectives. And we are aware of which buttons to push as well as when to push them.

JOHN: Oh yeah!

KRIS: It is important to notice these things because when you notice them is when you need to tighten the secrets (laughter) [A little joke referencing the fact that we hide things or keep them secret from ourselves.] And this great wave that has been persisting now nearly two months and it has many aspects to it as well. As the discussions flowed over into the forums, other debates developed. The very fact that there were opposing camps on both sides of the issue demonstrates that each individual, regardless of which camp, holds those very duplicitous states. Now the point is not merely to recognize them, but to UNDERSTAND them. There is a vast world of difference.

You may read characters strung together into words and words strung together into sentences, and sentences strung together into paragraphs, chapters, books, encyclopedias, and so on and so forth. It does not mean that you automatically understand. Do YOU understand?

MARK: I understand the POINT you made! (Laughter)

KRIS: Now we are trying to stitch together many issues here relevant to this GREAT debate. We said earlier this evening, as we’ve said many times in the past, that literally the “other” is YOU. The entire world is one aspect, the physically projected aspect of yourself, your psyche, correct?

(Yes)

And you understand that?

(Yes)

Relatively speaking. Now, concerning your discussion forums you automatically assume [that] you take it for granted that the words that appear on the screen that seem to come from other individuals are from individuals just like you.

MARK: That’s one perspective, yes.

KRIS: That at least they are to be considered human beings.

(Yes)

But it is also possible to consider that not a single one of them exists, but as aspects of your own Self coming to discuss with you your OWN dualistic and duplicitous points of view and that is a possibly preferred method of observing these types of interactions, allowing you — any of you who hear and read these words — to express a more balanced event. Does that make sense?

JOHN: (Mmhmm. Sure)

KRIS: Consider that each character that posts, responds, replies, debates, haggles, tackles, and so on and so forth — each such character is expressing one or more aspects of your own persona devised in such a manner as to bring about a larger comprehension of that which makes up your own personality. And you do not have to stop there. Other individuals that humans talk with, exchange, spend time with, believe with, argue with, and so on and so forth, are also allowed by you for the genius of observing yourself in action.

Now this does not mean that you must stop any endeavors and actions on your part, but if you at least apply the understanding you would benefit much more from your interactions than you already do. Your existence would be far more enriched, even than what it is now. We are certain you are familiar with the analogy of the Acorn, the sapling, and the tree.

(Yes)

Now each stage appears to be on the same tree. That may not necessarily be the case, and each stage has its own perceptive mechanisms. Take the Sapling and the tree. Each has its own set of growths: its trunk, branches and leaves. And though the Sapling has roots, as does the tree, the sapling’s roots are not the same as the tree’s roots, correct?

(Yes)

They occupy a much smaller degree of growth, compared to the tree. Its trunk, branches, and leaves are also much smaller. They have both many things in common. They both have roots that go into the ground. Though the sapling’s may only extend perhaps a foot or two at best, while the tree’s root system may be vast indeed. And the same goes for the trunk, the branches, and the leaves of each.

And though the Sapling has experience of the soil due to its root system, as does the tree, having experience of the soil with its root system, they do share that in common, but the extent of those experiences are vastly different. The sapling’s root systems do not extend far, and its knowledge and its awareness of the soil is not as extensive as the tree’s with its roots’ awareness of the soil, correct?

(Yes)

Each also experiences sky and clouds, but the sapling’s experience of the sky and clouds only extends so far, while the tree’s experience of the sky and the clouds can be as far-reaching as the roots themselves, lower to the ground. So its perspective is wider, its awareness of the sky and the clouds is wider than the sapling’s, correct?

(Right)

And though each may speak of the soil or the clouds or the rains for that matter, each can only speak from its own perspectives and it would indeed be silly for the Sapling to insist that its experiences of the soil or the clouds, or the sky are the ONLY valid experiences, and those of the Tree are not valid. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Now the tree’s experiences of the soil, clouds, and sky certainly take into consideration and overlap the sapling’s experiences of the same, and it would be just as silly for the Tree to negate the experiences of the soil, sky and clouds from the sapling’s perspective, because Tree has been there and understands and knows the extent of the perspectives of Sapling and its experiences. But Tree’s experiences are more expansive in that respect, though they incorporate the knowledge of its Sapling stages. And indeed if you do keep that into consideration as well, you will discover that it is easier to communicate with others, because though Tree is tree, Tree incorporates Sapling experiences and not all stages are specifically tree.

This is what we mean: each human individual has different stages of development, each relating to various aspects, but each aspect also has its stages of development from Acorn to Sapling to tree. And when one or more aspects are brought forward into personality, along comes with it those various stages of development, each one experiencing a different perspective of life and each such stage has the potential for fulfillment. But each must go through its own growth. The oft-maligned ego construction can be most useful and a great assistance in you embracing the various stages and aspects of your own personality structure.

Therefore the human personality is, as we have said, a great work of art. Each of your personalities is indeed a masterpiece, because its Source Essence is as masterful a creator, and each Source or Essence is also composed of many other structures. We have referred to them as other Essence bodies, each with their own specific constructions. There is no need at this point to confuse you any more than you might already be concerning your own personality structure and its ingenious complexities. Are there questions on this? (Pause) Therefore it is our understanding that you have understood.

MARK: Oh, perfectly!

KRIS: Indeed. Tomorrow is the test. (Group laughter)

JOHN: I have one question, Kris. You mentioned in passing that the Sapling and the Tree may not be the same “being” somehow, which I think was very interesting.

KRIS: And how would you view that?

u: Well, when you were going through the analogy for the Sapling and the tree, vis-à-vis the New World View discussions, I was thinking, OK, the Sapling maybe is one person with the one point of view and the Tree is another person with another point of view.

KRIS: Each may also incorporate Acorn-sapling-Tree stage.

JOHN: Uh-huh.

KRIS: Each Acorn incorporates Sapling and tree. Each Sapling incorporates Acorn and tree, and each Tree incorporates Acorn and sapling.

JOHN: Yes, it’s the chicken and the egg thing, there.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Simultaneous thing.

JOHN: Yeah –

MARK: One doesn’t necessarily precede the other. They always exist — they are eternal. It’s just a matter of which perspective or which focus you’re looking at, or looking through.

JOHN: So the idea for instance, is that someone who replies to an email you sent out saying, “Oh, you’re full of nonsense, this is silly,” and this could be helpfully seen as an aspect of yourself — an Acorn let’s say — and you’re a Sapling or whatever it is, and so when you look at it from that perspective you say, “OK, I can see the Acorn point of view there and this is perfectly valid,” and so that may temper your reply.

KRIS: Indeed, because Tree may listen to sapling’s description of soil or sky, because Tree may see further in either direction does not mean that sapling’s descriptions are invalid, they both share the same soil and look at the same sky, but from different vantage points.

JOHN: In fact the sapling’s perspective may be more appropriate to it than even the tree’s — I mean — let’s say there’s a deer getting ready to eat the sapling. The deer offers no danger to the tree, so the Sapling is saying “Oh look out, there’s danger!” and the Tree is saying “No, from my elevated perspective, there’s no danger at all. The sky, the clouds — everything is lovely,” but the Sapling says: “Hello! I just got eaten!” (Laughs)

KRIS: Indeed, it is, in a manner of speaking, an efficient method that can be utilized but it is one thing to read or listen to such a description and another entirely to APPLY it. And the specific caution is for one self to think that it can only be Tree perspective and therefore everything else must be sapling. Do you follow? Because Tree could easily say: “Stupid sapling! You are so small, I see so much more!” and how would that affect sapling-within-Tree perspective?

JOHN: Not happy.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Right. So by honoring the perspectives of other people on the forum and on the street we’re honoring the perspective of that aspect of ourselves.

KRIS: Indeed, and it does not mean that you must agree or even cooperate with but at least understand that it exists as a portion of your psyche, perhaps a portion that you consider dark and stormy, and therefore less likely to be explored by yourself. It is then projected onto the world, perhaps in such drastic and extreme situations as terrorists or as welcoming and nurturing as children eating cake. All of what you see and do not see, all of what exists on your world is allegorical to various states and stages within your experience of Self. In that manner you are being tree. You are being Sapling when you say, “Only that which is immediately perceived by my senses and experience is my reality.” That is Sapling. Do you understand?

JOHN: Yes, but Sapling is denying its own inner Tree when it says that.

KRIS: In many ways, indeed.

JOHN: Uh huh.

KRIS: We understand that this is a big issue. There are many narrow bandwidths of perception that cannot at this point in time accommodate, but that is our challenge to you, not only you who are here in this room, but you who will listen and read these words. Do not only be passionate about being a sapling, but passionate about becoming a Tree. And be a Tree without rejecting Sapling. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:23.

KRIS: Indeed, we will relinquish you to your roots and trunks and leaves and lovely Tree selves, and indeed may your daily experiences be your best teachers even if you think you are not here to teach anything or learn anything. Allow yourself to experience the inner wisdom that is the truth of your being. And with that we thank you for your consideration and each of your experiences has been important to the development of your blossoming personalities, for they are always a work in progress. And with that we thank you again.

ALL: Thank you, Kris

(9:24 Session ends.)

Open Mike Night

September 12, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Paul Tews and Ellen Gilbert
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 12, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Soharse) and Myrna (Shara-Leene)

In Castaic: Paul H. (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Paul T. (Antolian) and Ester (Benata).

[Norm and Reta in Oregon are on vacation this week.]

[MARK’S NOTES: Rumi the cat had to have emergency surgery and Paul was just coming home with Rumi as the session was starting. As a result of paying attention to Rumi’s needs, Paul was a bit distracted during this session.]

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable.

MARK: Indeed.

ESTER: Except Rumi.

KRIS: Now, your previous discussions were most interesting. And this evening we will offer you a good old fashioned chat.

MARK: A chat.

KRIS: A free for all if you wish so that you can explore other questions and issues and topics other than that which we have presented to you. And in our inimitable fashion we might still get a word in edgewise. After all, what would a Kris evening be without our words? Now are there any late comers and stragglers?

PAUL T: Ah, yes. Paul is just entering after retrieving his creature.

KRIS: Indeed, perhaps he should go to the back of the room! (Laughter) Now then, who would engage the first volley?

PAUL T: Well, I read, I cannot remember the name of the entity who was channeled, but they indicated that the hurricane in the southern United States was a means of releasing energy as opposed to a more catastrophic event which was not chosen out of probabilities, that of a major earthquake in the central United States. Is that your same perception?

KRIS: Such observations would fall in line with the varieties of probabilities that are always available. However, in the central portion of the United States, as such, the fault lines are so minimal as to produce hardly any shock waves of any type. Does that make sense?

PAUL T: Yes.

KRIS: Earthquakes do not occur here and there and everywhere they wish. They follow patterns just as hurricanes follow patterns. And they follow various currents. Does that make sense as well?

PAUL T: Yes.

KRIS: Just as human consciousness also follows patterns. Now, there are always less choices as to what is to be manifested and such issues are of extreme complexity and cannot be categorized in selections of black and white, nor can they be pigeon-holed to one or two beliefs, or one or two choices and preferences. But there are layers within layers, that are themselves nested within the various grid works of human perceptions and interactions with nature. So those issues are always extremely complex, even complicated, and to reduce such phenomenon to one or two factors in a manner of speaking is often to try to simplify something that may not ordinarily be simplified. Does that make sense as well?

PAUL T: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Because you adhere the involvement of not of only those people that were directly displaced or those that have lost their lives, but everyone around the globe was involved, even though the event appeared local. Do you understand?

PAUL T: Yes, similar to the tsunami.

KRIS: Indeed, so this is then a mass event, even though it was localized. The energies of each individual directly, indirectly, or remotely affected, involved, moved, touched, one way or another, participated in such an event. And as we suggested during a previous discussion, this will have a long term effect on many levels of society; in the financial and political social systems up to and including seeing the beginning of the retraction of the occupation of Iraq.

So this event indeed is, as we have also presented, an idea complex. Idea complexes are not limited to cerebral constructs but may also include events because events, whether generated by human beings or by nature, are by nature itself very similar. Does that make some sense?

PAUL T: Yes. If I may ask a follow on question, that would be: based on what the intent within the idea complex, or within the mass belief system in Elias terms, based on what that intent was such an event as a massive earthquake, although it may be very low in probability, did not fit within that construct in terms of intent.

KRIS: Indeed, the event itself, its catastrophic fallout, was also not unlike a natural nuclear explosion, in so many ways. Does that also make sense?

PAUL T: Yes, it does.

KRIS: This indeed, many such events are safety valves that indeed do release pressure, psychic pressure, from the causal field of events, the inner fields of events. And the results are going to be felt for years, if not decades, to come.

PAUL T: Okay, very clear.

KRIS: Another question?

MYRNA: I have a question Kris. Both the tsunami and the southern United States the events involved water. Is there something about water?

MARK: It works well?

KRIS: It was wet! (Laughter) Now, the forces of nature that awe human beings involve earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and floods. But that may become some hurricanes and tropical storms as well as from massive bodies of water washing away the land. Both events not only involved water but coastlines. As to its specific significance, more research may have to be done. But suffice it to say that you have the meeting line, the meeting point of two different elements, Earth and water and between the two are human lives.

Within that conjunction there are definite elements to be uncovered. If you observe such events even across the flow of history and time when there have been major cataclysms there are always significances with the elements involved because your entire Earth experience, your physical experience, to one portion of your being is as a dream unfolding with you as the participant in your own life. Do you follow? Do you understand?

MYRNA: I’m trying to.

KRIS: If you were to observe the Earth from a perspective above it, as you observe yourself participating in the dream from above the scene itself, as if you were in a balcony looking at a play, the play of human life on Earth. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: And consider this play of human lives on Earth as a dream, each of the elements in the dream having a significance to your own self, you may gather, extrapolate, and gain insights both into your specific life and into that larger play that is human life. And the elements of water, Earth may have no significance to one individual but to you would have a deep impact. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Kris, may I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed, the evening is all yours.

JOHN: Oh, good. I noticed in a couple of recent transcripts you talked…, these are maybe private ones or personal ones, that people need to be aware of their patterns that get in the way of them achieving what they want. I was thinking about your discussion about “Idea Threads”. Would a pattern that we engaged that gets in the way of something we want to do, would that be an example of an idea thread?

KRIS: Indeed, during that session, we hinted as much.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: The ability of observe one’s own thought patterns and thought processes is not that difficult. Practice makes perfect in the ability to make comment and helps develop a certain degree of detachment in a healthy manner so that you can recognize how you may even set yourself up for auto-sabotage. When you engage conflicting belief structures, sometimes even diametrically opposed beliefs that render your best efforts null and void that castrate your own dreams.

JOHN: Nice phrase.

KRIS: The idea here using the Triple ‘A’ method or “Ask Why?” can be most effective towards noticing what you engage at that inner dialog level. That is where the noticing has to occur. Not merely what is going on down the street but the inner dialog. Catching yourself red handed in trying to convince your own self that you have no talents nor abilities, no gumption to carry out your own dreams. Do you follow?

JOHN: I do, that’s excellent.

KRIS: Indeed. Then, many people actually convince themselves and if you notice in this the word ‘con’ exists. They con themselves into dropping their best-laid efforts, and often because of a fear — even fear of success, because they may have issues concerning that — or they replay old recordings from a period in their lives when they may have attempted one small project and it did not turn as they anticipated. Therefore all attempts at any project must follow suit and go down the toilet. It takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude, a powerful constitution, to hold fast to an idea that is at least feasibly practical and within the realm of reality and apply one’s energies towards that direction. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yes, it makes perfect sense and if I may ask another question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: This one is on a little different topic. I remember reading something recently about how, even when we’re asleep, we continue to use our perception mechanism to construct the objective world around us, around the bed we are sleeping on. That raised a question in my mind as to how much of the universe I construct on a moment to moment basis. To clarify that question, I have never been to Paris. I believe Paris exists but I’ve never been there. Am I constructing it? Am I in fact constructing the whole planet and everything on it all the time?

KRIS: In participation with everyone else. You experience your version of it at this point in time from a far away location. Though you may occasionally, in the newspapers, from radio, television, or other conversations, in books, initially catch glimpses of your construction. And this is actually a far more loaded question than you anticipate because it leads to another issue of people believing that if they do not hear, see, taste, smell something it does not exist in their reality even though the whole of the world exists. Do you understand?

JOHN: I’d like to hear more.

KRIS: Indeed, take again the issue of the Gulf Coast disaster. There are many individuals who may claim that because they are not directly involved it is not their reality, it is not their beliefs. And we actually beg to differ. You and every other individual in this planet at this point in time, participate in the massive creation of the physical phenomenon. You create your version of it, they create their multiple version of it, and together you are able as a race, as a species, to come to a consensus. Consensus reality exists as well. And it is as real as anything else. If you wish to test consensus reality step in front of a moving bus. It is real is it not?

JOHN: I’m going to just assume that that’s true. (Laughter)

KRIS: From the physical perspective of your species, it is solid. That has to be taken into consideration. Every individual on this planet at this time creates the entire world in this moment, together.

JOHN: Wow.

MYRNA: So if there are seven billion people, there are seven billion versions of Earth being created?

MARK: Probably plus right? We need to include all the probable selves.

KRIS: Physical creation is a massive undertaking! And yet, each individual is able to generate their specific version of it and couched within the whole field of the consensus of that reality. Three individuals witness an accident. Each one has a perspective, yet each one participated in the scene of the accident. They did not cause it. They saw it. That is their participation. Each interpretation is different, correct?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Multiply that with the number of individuals on this planet at this time and you have a phenomenal orchestration of creation, of unbelievable proportion. Because you are not only creating the planet, its cities, its forests and lakes and mountains, you are creating the whole of the universe in physical terms, because ultimately the universe, seen and unseen, is what you are.

MYRNA: I have a question about that.

KRIS: We are not merely talking about a physical universe. (To Myrna) You had a lovely question.

MYRNA: I hope so. I recall one evening in a session with you we were sitting in another location and Mark got up to go into another room. (Laughter) This keeps coming back all the time. You suggested at the time that Mark may in fact not have gotten up to go to the other room, but in fact was set in motion the units of consciousness so that it appeared that Mark was moving to that room but in fact the units of consciousness were moving. Then how could I not create the accident as you just mentioned in front of me, and yet I understand I play a part in that I observe it. But if its there, did I not set up units of consciousness that look like an action that has just taken place?

KRIS: The individuals directly impacted by the accident, say two cars crashing, would have been their major contribution. You may also have been, but not directly but as a participant, lending energy because you have something to gain from that particular perspective and the actions thereof.

MYRNA: Right. So if I take that to New Orleans as an observer of this and participating in this…

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: It continues to explain why I’ve been so deeply impacted by that. There is something huge in it for me.

KRIS: It is from your perspective a powerful, emotional rendering. And out of this new perspectives on human life and your own life will emerge. They are working their way through to the surface of your consciousness. There is a part of you that did participate but not necessarily directly as somebody affected by the direct results. But you are still being affected by the waves of this event, correct?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed, you participate all in varying degrees, consciously and your desires… We have to define what we are speaking of here. You have your own human desires, your own human goals, as a focus personality, an expression of Essence. But as Essence, you also have a completely different range and arrangement of desires and intent that do not impinge upon the desires and intent of the various expressions of Essence. In other words, you are not a marionette to Essence, both fields are inviolate but both fields work together [in] cooperation. It would be most uncouth, even crass to think that you are suffering because Essence wants that. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Yup.

KRIS: You may be suffering because your own beliefs in those areas need to be worked through and Essence will supply you with any opportunity you wish to explore whatever ramifications of your beliefs you desire and aim for. But you are NOT, you NEVER were, and you NEVER will be marionette to Essence. Essence has its own sense of goals and desires which at those layers of existence may even be foreign to you but they still exist. It is not that Essence is a vast field of impersonal energy, devoid of any feeling. Though some we know of interpret that state of existence in exactly those terms. And then they think that if they emulate such assumptions they themselves feel more elevated while in reality they denigrate their own humanity and therefore will denigrate anyone else’s humanity.

The more human you are, the more spiritual you also are, because when you are authentically human you will shed tears, you will love, you will rejoice in orgasms, you will enjoy digging into a garden, and not seeing that such activities are beneath you because you are on a spiritual path. When individuals enter that realm of negative spirituality, they forget their most basic empathic humanity, the ability to love others and as a reflection of that inability become unable to love themselves. And that indeed is the saddest thing of all. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:33

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break, a loving break, a very human break.

(8:33 Break begins)

JOHN: Well that was fun wasn’t it? I like these little question and answer — what do you call it?

SERGE: Open mike.

(General chitchat ensues for several minutes)

MYRNA: It’s not easy when Kris asks us now to ask the questions. Often-times in the past I’ve come prepared with some questions.

MARK: I was sort of chuckling through some of them because it easily relates to what we’ve been talking about on our walks for the book, and it helps expand me as well, because there are some questions in there as well, and even some topics I’ve discussed with Serge that I haven’t talked over with Kris yet and you guys brought them forward anyway.

MYRNA: (To John:) What was that question we had the other day? You know how we decide we want something, and we get in our own way, we go back to (inaudible)…?

JOHN: Oh, yes, how we get comfortable with being…

MYRNA: (Inaudible)

JOHN: I was very happy to follow up on that idea thread thing. I was never sure that I really “got” idea threads, but what I find when talking about patterns of behavior that get in your way, I said, “OK”. The thing about a pattern of behavior, it ties together about six different voices. You don’t think they’re related, [but] you sew them together so that it becomes like a — uh — a one, two, three, four, five thing? — and then every time that happens you say, “Oh! One, two, three, four, five;” and you go through the same thing, but that I think was matched by idea threads — now of course, idea threads can be positive too, and then you can have that same kind of follow-through of a pattern of activity.

MARK: That’s what NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) is really good at… showing the positives, showing yourself little tricks, especially when you get into the negative things.

(Talk turns to chitchat until Kris returns at 8:41)

(8:41 Break ends)

[MARK’S NOTES: At the end of break there was a brief discussion about possibly holding a potluck DAADG.]

KRIS: Now, as long as the dead guy is not the dinner, we are fine with ALL of your ideas. (Laughter) We prefer to be the dessert. This last discussion on idea threads brings up another issue; something that may indeed benefit everyone who cares to venture with observing their own life threads. The themes that keep cropping up in one’s life over the years and the decades which may even appear in one’s life in cycles perhaps over years OR over decades. Such an exploration of one’s own life threads can also bring about a state of enrichment in being able to observe, keep track of, and study one’s self, because your existence as an expression of Essence is indeed a great experiment.

The laboratory is your human life in all of its splendor as well as all of its calamities. That GREAT buffet of life with all of its passions in various shades actually IS observed from the perspective of the subjective state of Essence. But you can easily begin to study your own movement and action through time and space, as far back as memory serves you, up to your present state. Paying attention to salient points, to peaks and valleys, recognizing the deep or the high emotions that are involved and how those emotions spill over into other areas that keep transforming the landscape of your existence. Such a study would be both a reflection and indeed a deep meditation that may point you in a direction and help you recognize some of your own values. It may help you even recognize the thrust of your passionate existence.

You do not enter the physical existence as an expression of Essence because you are so, so bored with your state of being, but because there is a deep passionate love and desire to inquire about the ups and downs, and the ins and outs OF your very human existence that is in itself one of the deepest spiritual expressions you can have within physical dimension. It is not by putting down the flesh, nor by elevating it, but by reveling in its moments that you touch upon your own true nature as Essence and as human beings simultaneously. Again, “Achyntia Beda Beda Tattva,” a Bengali saying that means that you are simultaneously both divine and mortal. And herein lies that delicious dichotomy. And between those two states, those two fields, your very human existence leads you into the depths of your being.

Perhaps with further questions, either this evening or at another time, we can expand these concepts of life threads because we believe it can be most meaningful to undertake a study of your OWN existence, from as many perspectives as possible, but it requires a dedication. One or two days of introspection on that level is not going to cut it. But it is certainly a most fulfilling idea. Now, please feel free to ask more questions.

JOHN: Well Kris, just to jump in quickly. I don’t know if you’re aware of the work I did several years ago of a transformation map. Just to quickly explain, I made a list of the twenty-four most significant moments in my life; throughout fifty years. And then I took four different indices, four different issues, and for each of those twenty-four moments spread over fifty years I scored each of the four indexes, one might be self worth, sexual enjoyment, financial whatever, and then I charted those up and down on a map. I ended up with a map of my life. And I was able to choose different indices and go back and re-score them against the twenty-four most significant moments to create very interesting maps that I think were a part of the process of me entering this transition phase. (Pause)

KRIS: Indeed, please continue.

JOHN: The question I had was, would you think there would be any value in my making the technology involved? There is just a how to and some Excel charts. That makes it easy to do.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I make those available to people, and there you go.

KRIS: You may come to discover that there are many individuals who have thought along the same lines but may not have been able to formulate how to go about observing their life in such a manner. And this is in line with the idea of life threads.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: We again encourage you to follow through with this and perhaps find the means to make it available to others.

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: But, such a service should be rewarded.

JOHN: (Laughs) I think I understand! I get that!

KRIS: That may confront you with some issues of your own. But again, well worth trudging through. (Laughter)

JOHN: Thank you, you clever fellow! (Laughter)

KRIS: At least we did not get eaten. Now please continue.

MARK: How about Castaic? Any questions down there?

PAUL H: Yeah I finally remembered one. This has been on my backlog for months. Someone asked me to ask Kris this; I guess this is the opportunity to do so. Elias has presented this typology of what he calls orientations, or the language of perception. He introduced three types that he calls common, soft, and intermediate. In his larger cosmology, he says that the minimum number of manifestations in a cycle of manifestation is three in order to experience those three.

There is an interesting parallel with the Seth material in which Seth stated that the minimum number of manifestations was three. However, Seth gave the reason as experiencing male, female, and child or something that was quite different than orientation. So my question is, would you comment on the number, the minimum number of manifestations for any essence to engage a cycle here. And then also comment on that typology of orientations, if the number happens to be three.

KRIS: Now that is a tall order. (Laughter) We will also agree that the minimum is three. From our perspective the minimum of three might itself be layered differently, such as, three to cover at least as wide an angle of any given century as possible, three to cover at least three genders, three to cover at least three different racial perspectives, three to cover at least three social, political, financial standings as possible [and] three to cover at least different family and relationship perspectives. So from our perspective, that number three has been more than quadrupled. Do you understand?

PAUL H: Yes.

KRIS: Does that make sense?

PAUL H: You gave at least five different variations of three.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I have a quick question on that. How often is only the minimum expressed, or manifested? How many stop at three, percentage wise?

KRIS: That all depends on that Essence’s intent along with focus desires, because you do come into physical expression out of your own desire, as a living biological aspect expression of Essence. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Janaki, does that also make sense?

PAUL H: Not yet, because on the one hand you say three, but on the other hand you gave me fifteen examples.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H: For those of us who are literal minded, is it fifteen or is it three? And how does that relate to what Elias calls orientations?

KRIS: The three can be nested.

PAUL H: Okay, got that.

KRIS: You have three but the configuration and recombination of those three in line with the fifteen may be [able to] provide as wide a range as possible. There are three from our perspective, but the three may be dispersed into that many configurations as a bare minimum.

PAUL H: That’s what we’re talking about, a bare minimum.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL T: And you have yet to address the issue of orientation.

KRIS: Indeed, at this point we will kindly decline.

PAUL T: However, you shall be bringing it up at a later date?

KRIS: Indeed. (Laughter)

MARK: Ironically enough, fifteen years ago I had an employer, or a boss who was also a friend, who is now deceased, who told me that the universal answer to every question is three.

JOHN: I thought the answer was always yes.

PAUL H: The answer is 42.

PAUL T: No, that’s actually true. All you have to do is change the units.

KRIS: Indeed, to be even more correct, all you have to do is change the entire universe. (Laughter)

MARK: Brilliant.

KRIS: It is ALL in the configuration of your perspectives.

PAUL T: Kris, at our last dinner session you laid a pretty heavy handed hint, at least to me, regarding a potential method. Some number of years ago I experienced a state of consciousness which Elias said was a remembrance of Essence, a very direct remembrance of Essence. If I got your hint correctly last time you said that there may be a method to approach that sort of state of consciousness more easily. Was I misreading that? And if I wasn’t, could you go into that a little?

KRIS: Perhaps in a simplistic manner you may venture back into memory to events prior to the occurrence, take inventory of the varieties of thoughts, thought processes, and the manner in which you were sorting out your experiences leading up to the occurrence itself, taking stock of your own mental processes, emotional fields that you were generating. Take stock of the occurrence itself and how you then processed the occurrence into your life. Do you follow?

PAUL T: Yes I do except for that last statement of how I incorporated it into the process.

MARK: Can I give an example there?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: When Serge was first beginning to channel, he used to do the Edgar Cayce style. He had somebody there with him to put him into trance. He soon realized that this was not practical and he made many efforts to change that style. He was almost at the point of giving up. They actually said that “this is the last time” and it happened! He went into trance. The next time that he set out to repeat the trance, he didn’t know how he did it. So he tried to call upon the MEMORY of what he was thinking at the time, what he was FEELING at the time, and so on and so on. And sure enough, it happened again. You can take it from there, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed, it would involve retracing your steps, but from an objective perspective. Even to writing down your process, what kind of mental atmospheres you were generating. Consider this, how do you know — apart from watching the newscast — how do you know that it may rain later?

PAUL T: Intuition, a feeling tone.

KRIS: You may also notice the manner in which the clouds are gathering, the types of clouds involved, as well as the charge within the ozone is changing, all phenomenon observable physically. Correct?

PAUL T: Yes.

KRIS: The wind may even change direction and then comes the rain. And after the rain, the clouds move away, there is again a different charge in the atmosphere with a different feel and the clouds clear out. This is the process. Noticing the same processes within yourself, taking them down, writing down the methods which occur before, during, and after may leave you with a blueprint, which may even lead you back into at least an echo of that experience, aiding you to tap into it once again, perhaps from a different perspective or angle but one valid just the same. Do you understand?

PAUL T: Oh yes, very well.

KRIS: So we do suggest that you try your hand at this and at the same time use this secondary experience as a further observation and study to see how the remembrance of the remembrance is affecting you. How its echoes can wash through time and space and bring you into a different but similar experience again. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL T: Yes, it does make sense to me. Having done this remembrance of the remembrance once before, yes I can relate to that very directly.

KRIS: And are you willing to write it down?

PAUL T: Oh, absolutely. I appreciate the input on that. That never occurred to me.

KRIS: You may find in retrospect after reading the process that you can polish it up in such a manner that others may be able to empathically recognize their own triggers by reading your experience and get a feel for their own version of that type of an experience. It will not be your experience that they are experiencing but they would experience their own experience. (Laughter) To quote a famous Sailer. (More laughter) Janaki will also know where this is going.

PAUL T: If he was paying attention.

KRIS: Indeed. Now then, feel free to explore that kind of an endeavor.

PAUL T: Oh, this is going to be a lot of fun. I thank you so much for that.

KRIS: And you will find your own experience doubly enriched.

PAUL T: Excellent.

KRIS: Feel free to ask the unfamiliar questions.

JOHN: Okay, this is a question Myrna and I have been pondering a little bit. One of the things that we do is, that may limit our options, is we are engaged in automatic responses a lot of the time, without any thought involved. And part of the reason for that is it’s familiar, even though it may not be very comfortable, it’s familiar. The question is… is a way, a practice, a process, where we can become more comfortable in the unfamiliar?

KRIS: Indeed, there are always ways. You may, for instance, begin with the simple task of utilizing autosuggestion, the very primal activity that all human beings engage in. This is by the way how you create your own personal sets of conditions tied into the major belief structures: autosuggestion. You talk yourselves, dialog yourselves into specific situations. Do you understand?

JOHN: Right. So that really applies to the internal dialog that you were asking us to pay attention to earlier. It’s really, really important.

KRIS: Indeed, internal dialog also includes, it incorporates, imagery. You SEE yourselves doing what you are talking yourselves into doing. Without that ability which is a major function of the imagination, most of you would still be at the primeval ooze stage. (Laughter)

JOHN: Okay.

KRIS: As consciousness you see yourselves through your desires to interact physically. You see yourselves walking as physically manifest beings, as eating, as having intercourse, as learning things, educating yourselves, observing your inner creations physically manifest before you, as creating the whole of the universe singularly and jointly. Whether you actually put any effort into noticing this, that is another can of worms. BUT, notice the inner dialog and the imagery that you engage and you will see, literally, that it has a major position into the manufacturing of your daily events.

JOHN: Okay, so we could use autosuggestion and this kind of internal imagery to envision ourselves enjoying and being comfortable in unfamiliar situations?

KRIS: Indeed, knowing that the unknown is NOT necessarily a threat but a marvelous opportunity, a gift, of self discovery. For it is not the things, the events that you may encounter in the future that are as important as the processes you engage while you are making those discoveries. Which means literally the self discovery, the UNKNOWN self is being discovered. Not the things, the events, the circumstances and conditions.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: It is the self that is being discovered as it unfolds. And when the ego construction has become accustomed to one specific overall sense of its patterns, it creates a certain security with that base of knowledge. And anything added to it may represent a threat that may be interpreted as destabilizing the foundation that already exists. But by domesticating this unknown self, the undiscovered self, you may indeed opportune yourself greater discoveries. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, that’s great!

MARK: I’m actually reminded of the “Safe Universe” [A Seth teaching].

MYRNA: Yes.

JOHN: Some of the issues around not being comfortable in the unfamiliar may have to do with fear. That fear of change, that fear of the unknown.

KRIS: Now Janaki, are you paying attention? (Laughter)

PAUL H: Yes, I am!

KRIS: Indeed, we believe we have already hinted at, at least a plausible topic for potential presentation. Did you catch that?

PAUL H: Yes.

MARK: And?

MYRNA: Comfortable with the unknown. The unknown self is being discovered.

PAUL H: Workshop: “Discovering the Unknown”.

MYRNA: Or “The Unknown Self”.

PAUL H: “Exploring the Unknown.”

MYRNA: Self.

MARK: I have “The Unknown Self” in quotes here and “Self-discovery” [Referring to his notes.]

KRIS: Now at another time we will polish this up, but definitely at least two topics exist in potential and in side by side, perhaps each day would have a different but related topic. “The Passionate Self: What is Your Passion” would be a good title. And the second day would be “The Undiscovered Self” tied into your passion. Does that tickle your fancy? (Laughter)

[MARK’S NOTES: Paul, Jo, Serge and Mark are putting together a weekend workshop in Castaic for February 2006. In this last paragraph, Kris is giving us a topic and title for the workshop.]

PAUL H: Quite, yes! Sounds wonderful. That plays off of a lot of the previous material that you’ve delivered and will continue to deliver up until then.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H: We can follow up after the workshop with all of that.

KRIS: That is an excellent perspective. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:15.

KRIS: Do you wish to take a small break or end the evening?

JOHN: Let’s take a break. This is fun.

KRIS: Are you all in agreement?

ALL: A break is good.

KRIS: Indeed, agreements are wonderful things. They coalesce units of consciousness without them going about hither and dither. (Laughter)

MARK: 9:15 break.

(Second break begins 9:15 PM)

(Break consisted of chitchat and some business talk)

(Break ends at 9:23 PM)

KRIS: Now then, are there any other lovely questions?

MARK: I was wondering if you might give us a little bit of information regarding cluster number 8.

PAUL H: Oh, good one, Mark!

MARK: Do I need to name it?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: The Eldaraa. Did I pronounce it correctly?

KRIS: It is good. This particular cluster, as in all of the others, do not necessarily have any numbers. This is only for your purposes and references. But this cluster is rather small comparative to the others in terms of families of intent. The specific actions of consciousness within it are of utmost interest in that the particular laws of physics if you will are quite different from others, even though many of the others resemble the laws of physics that are found in your cluster of consciousness both at the physical and non-physical levels.

MARK: How are they different?

KRIS: For the time being, suffice it to say that, though it is a small comparative, it has an influence — as all of the other clusters have an influence –each cluster not being isolated by its descriptions, but defined by its actions. The states within each cluster are echoed in all of the others, but they are not prominent when the native states are in another environment, but are echoes, merely. But still the significances of these echoes are such that they exert an influence, much like the moon has a gravitational influence upon the Earth, as well as that it reflects sunlight in what you call moonlight, so each cluster has a similar attribute. For now, that is all that we will venture into that subject.

MARK: Care to give us a number of families of intent? There seems to be some conflict there.

KRIS: The numbers can fluctuate, but never more than ten.

MARK: Okay.

PAUL: Does that mean they don’t fluctuate between more than ten, as in six and sixteen?

KRIS: Repeat.

PAUL: Does that mean that the fluctuations between clusters, and in this cluster in particular, never being more than ten, if I heard that correctly –

MARK: In that cluster. Does it fluctuate by tens?

PAUL: As in…between six and sixteen?

KRIS: The average BEING ten. There are clusters that have far more families of intent than you care to shake a stick at. (Group laughter) And there are others that have very few. That is within the range of intent being generated within that field, that cluster and again we do hope that you all understand that the concept of clusters is not static, but that it is consciousness in action. Now are there other lovely questions?

JOHN: Well I have a question about developmental processes. I’ve been taken with the session recently about how humans go through developmental processes. In order to construct this reality, we went from the primal ooze to whatever we’ve got now –

MARK: (Laughing) Some beg to differ, but go on!

JOHN: Yes, and so the question I have is this: there’s some intuition I feel that the ooze is really… that if we were to delve into the primal ooze, that we could get all the stuff that we’re getting here now at this stage…in other words — that all the “good stuff” is accessible at any stage, by any particular individual. Am I explaining that right?

KRIS: Verify.

JOHN: All right, let’s take human development: you have a teenager, all the hormones and everything, you have a young adult, the adult, the old person. Now, the developmental framework would say, Okay, there’s things that are accessible as an old person — memories of youth, for instance – that are not nearly as accessible from the youth’s point of view. My feeling is that, that’s a surface thing, and that everything is accessible at every stage, ultimately.

KRIS: In the larger scheme of things, indeed, but even if the youth can access his or her own future self in terms of being more mature, or even elder, that still has to be taken into context of the youth’s life — of his or her youthful perspectives — and may not even be desired. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: Then it is to the individual perspective to find use for other angles of perception along those lines. It may be that, though the elderly individual may enjoy reminiscing about their youth, the youth may not necessarily care to PREMINISCE about their elderly stage, or even care to.

JOHN: Well to put a slightly different spin on that, let’s talk about human history. It’s tempting – it has been tempting for us — to think of progress: we’re more civilized now than we were a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand years ago. I have some real questions about that — and I think that in that same way, when I was 25, I was as smart, or smarter than I am now, in some ways.

KRIS: Are you certain of that?

JOHN: No. (Group laughter)

KRIS: Because, you were as smart as the 25 year old could allow you to be, but that state changed. You are as smart now as you were when you were 25 years old, but what is different is the ability to engage retrospect, as well as preconceptions of even future states of your own existence, and find the means to make sense and meaning within the context of your present state.

JOHN: Ah, right!

KRIS: That involves an evolution of the abilities of discernment and wisdom, because you are at that stage in life when you can look at both your past and your potential futures and bring them together. The 25 year old also engaged such activities, but much less than the degree that you are able to present it to yourself. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Yeah, so that by analogy then, we ARE making progress.

KRIS: There is always a certain kind of progress, but it may not necessarily be what you like to think of as progress. Certainly you made progress in terms of in the past your wives and your mothers and your sisters used to go to the riverbank to wash your dirty laundry by banging it on the rocks. Now they use washing machines, and instead, they nag you (group snickers), whilst in the past they would have gone to the rocks.

JOHN: Right, so we’re saying there are different ideas about what progress really is.

KRIS: Exactly. The quality of the nagging has changed, merely. (Laughter) All in all there are still stages of progresses and progressions, but they may all be in different contexts. Even historically, in the past, you used to engage war with swords, spears, and arrows, eventually you engaged battles with projectiles from guns.

JOHN: You’re saying that’s progress?

KRIS: We did not say that. Now you may even consider engaging into warfare and battle with nuclear devices, which would do away with most projectiles and most human lives. And that MAY appear as progress in the eyes of some, but in the eyes of others is it truly progress to annihilate half the world’s population with one shot. Is there any fairness in this?

JOHN: No, that’s not progress.

KRIS: Indeed. So in some ways certain layers of progress are in the eyes of the beholder.

MARK: Just to comment on that, in simpler times, simpler technology — technology was supposed to be progress, and we advanced our technology to a very complex state and our lives have become quite complex as a result. The more technology advances, the more that is required of us.

KRIS: Indeed, quite contrary to the original intent of providing humans with more time for relaxation and pleasure. That may also be considered a form of progress. However, has human life truly been enhanced by this type of progress? At that level, not necessarily.

JOHN: No but, just to be clear in my own mind, you are saying that that kind of progress is in the eye of the beholder, but you are saying that there is a baseline actual progress going on — let’s take it back to the idea of the youth and the old man — not so much that different truths are accessible, but that they fit better into the context of the actual life. That really struck home for me. In other words, it may be conceivable for the youth to access whatever, but he doesn’t, because he wants to go out and get drunk and get laid.

KRIS: Indeed, he wants, or she wants, to sow wild oats.

JOHN: Exactly.

KRIS: And others may have different perceptions as well. However, there is another state which can be viewed in this life. As human beings you like to think that your race has made accomplishments and discoveries unlike any other in the past. You like to think that there is a progression from the Neanderthal stage to present Homo sapiens outlook, and everything that pertains to those stages, and the discoveries and the evolution, but you do fail to even consider the possibility that there have been many other experiments along the same lines into what you would call the past and there will continue to be similar lines and there are other parallel lines with other kinds of human races.

In other words, you like to cherish the idea that you are the only human race, but you are one expression only. There have been other racial developments, far different from your own, which have their own accomplishments, their own progresses; there will continue to be others into the future which may even look backwards to you, but they themselves are progressing along their own lines of development. Entire races. And they have their own baseline of development. But theirs and yours are not isolated, much like the clusters of consciousness. There are still bleed-throughs, from theirs to yours, and yours to theirs, and together there is an entirely different, cosmological baseline.

JOHN: Aha! I’d like to know about THAT!

KRIS: You are ALL in your own bubbles of progressions without realizing that you have bleed-throughs, but consider the possibility that all of these various bubbles, these….we are looking for a word… What is the word used to describe to one cell of the lungs? — alveoli. Correct?

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: All of these can be considered as alveoli’s of progressions. It is when unique, but shared. And there are countless millions of other alveoli’s of progressions occurring with MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of experimentations with other races, other even human races that you know nothing about. So that scale is truly cosmic in proportion.

JOHN: Now at that level, at the level of — let’s call it the lung — do we have progress? Is there change that’s going in a direction?

KRIS: Indeed there ALWAYS is. That IS the one thing about consciousness: is its ability to never be static, but always in a state of flux, of transformation.

MARK: Change is an absolute.

KRIS: That IS the very nature of consciousness.

JOHN: Okay, change — but change can be just a random milling around or it can be going somewhere.

KRIS: Going somewhere is YOUR interpretation.

JOHN: Okay, I get ya.

MARK: We look at it from a linear perspective where Essence does not. But I’m also drawn to the analogy of…if you take a piece of heart tissue and put it on a petri dish, it will beat. We can see it and if you take a second piece of heart tissue, and put it beside it on the petri dish, it will beat differently. But if the two come into contact with each other, they beat together in unison.

KRIS: Indeed and for our analogical purposes we would have to say that each alveoli of progression beats individually and in concert, in symphony, each note of that symphony unique but in harmony with the rest. So there is a GREATER rhythm even though each one may beat individually. Does that make any sense?

JOHN: It’s very big!

KRIS: Indeed, we are BIG on big.

JOHN: (Chuckles)

MARK: It’s a phenomenal orchestration of creation.

KRIS: Always remember that creation is more than you can possibly imagine! And if you wish a real brain twister try and imagine all of what you cannot imagine. Now then, we will leave you to your big dreams, big aspirations and big appetites. And we thank you in a big way. (Group laughter)

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends at 9:45 pm)

Giving Freely of the Heart

September 6, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 06, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

(Session begins at 10:40 PM)

KRIS: Now, as we started to describe some of the situation along the Gulf Coast disaster with Hurricane Katrina, it’s also important to remember that compassion for your fellow human beings should at all times be paramount, and not be an afterthought. As we mentioned yesterday, claiming that this is someone else’s beliefs merely hides the fact that there is indeed a great deal of belief work in need of recognition within the one making the claims. Now this still involves a massive amount of belief work and you have mixed into this a great deal of value convictions.

This is not strictly limited to the inhabitants of those regions, even though they are the hardest hit, and the ones most in need of compassion, support and healing, but there is a rippling affect in the entire socio-political structure of American society, coming from one place that knows how to make the music reverberate and heard across the globe.

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: This is the seed of many changes to come in government and in the structuring of society itself, specifically because there is now a SHARPENED awareness of people’s needs in times of despair because the people in need could be anyone. They could be YOU and you could be in need of compassion from the other.

This entire region, and indeed the American psyche needs HEALING. This would also have an effect — though it may take a while to show up — but it will have an effect upon the war with Iraq and this is not a retribution as some would claim, but instead, an extreme re-sorting of strategies to create change and bring the focus back into the American continent. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Yes! Yes.

KRIS: And this may indeed plant the seeds for global rescue and assistance programs that are not necessarily managed by one local or regional government, nor a federal body specifically; but a world-wide body that is composed of an organization similar to the United Nations, but this specifically: a body that oversees assistance and rescue on such large scale that would incorporate divisions of governments around the planet regardless of those governments’ leanings.

There may very well be eventual recognition that a people is not and should not be defined by their government but by their humanity. These still are all possible and though it took an extreme situation to bring this awareness to the forefront of discussions, it will be recognized that political parties and allegiances cannot play favorites — should not even be part of the equation — and those who make such a claim should be shamed. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, very closely, in fact.

KRIS: This human tragedy has a rippling effect across the globe as did the tsunami of Christmas last. And because of this event, governments from around the world are noticing what the United States’ efforts are producing on their own ground. This study may have influence as well, not only upon U.S. policies, but upon previous items we have suggested: the potential seed for a GLOBAL body to provide rescue and assistance.

MARK: Interestingly enough, I believe Canada has made the first step in that with creation of the D.A.R.T. (Disaster Assistance Response Team) program several years ago — or many years ago now.

KRIS: It also needs much enhancement and with other countries –

MARK: Indeed!

KRIS: — aligning with such an ideal, the enhancement can be further refined for maximum action in time of need, not a week after the effect. Such a global response team can alter global policies.

MARK: And ultimately create another step forward in the Global Village.

KRIS: Indeed. People, regardless of race, creed, orientation, gender, or political background, recognize one thing above all else — or should — and that is that you are ALL human beings. And in times of need, everyone suffers, both the survivors and the rescuers also suffer, and both are always in need of healing. This situation along the Gulf coast indicates a healing at many levels of society, including the political, including the social, including people’s very human lives.

The ability to empathize with survivors is an indication of a sharpened awareness. The ability to marginalize these people’s traumas by deferring it to parroting metaphysical literature or even religious literature, thereby condemning the survivors to their lot in life, or their beliefs –

MARK: — is also a state of denial.

KRIS: (In a very sober, grave tone) It is worse than that. It is indeed a cold and callous indifference to the human condition. (With raised voice) And the very reason why you, your entire race to one degree or another, invite US to voice your deeper truths IS to assist you to reflect upon the human condition! And denying that condition when it is at its most PAINED is more saddening and sorrowful than what the survivors endured. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Again, any assistance is certain to be appreciated and though some may like to think that they will meditate now and contemplate their beliefs along such lines may indeed stay home! It serves such a small purpose overall. Imagine that you are on the receiving end of a disaster and your neighbor, who could give you a hand to prevent you from drowning, instead chooses to go to his room to meditate upon the nature of his beliefs, whilst he could simply reach out, hold your hand to pull you out of the waters. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes I do. [It’s] a very strong point.

KRIS: Indeed, do make a concerted effort, even if it is five dollars, or a thousand dollars, or bottles of water, food, blankets — some kind of service that represents physical action, may bring about far greater rewards than to pick the lint out of your navel, thinking about how your beliefs are affected, or ‘affecting’ something. There are plenty of methods by which anyone can lend a helping, healing hand. Show your brothers and sisters that your caring is AUTHENTIC.

Tomorrow YOUR WORLD MAY be different and you may be the one in need of your neighbors helping, healing hand for you. It is about being in the other one’s shoes. That is true compassion, as is the ability to assist. These people have lost the only life they knew and they may never regain it, having to create new ones. All of these cascading after-effects are part of this idea complex, and this is larger than anticipated in the whole history of the United States.

The waves from this event have yet to hit shore. And many challenging, even traumatizing social changes may have to be Recognized, Acknowledged, Addressed, and Accepted. But life is no longer the same as you understand it because you have changed. You the reader, you the listener, have changed by this event, and the change may be so subtle, you do not see it right now, but it is in your heart, and it will blossom. It has nothing to do with which political party is correct, but it has everything to do with one’s ability to help towards the healing of the other. That should be the core of politics — at least at this stage of the game. Do you have questions?

MARK: I have comments. As an individual — and I have to hold back the tears here — but as an individual who has been homeless (voice breaks), who has gone from being very successful in a very brief period of time to being — not at rock bottom, but being low on the totem — I was still very blessed, because I had people — family, loved ones taking care of me, I had a roof over my head — I still had people around me to take care of me. I still had my possessions, maybe in storage or whatever, and that was nothing, NOTHING compared to the traumas and the atrocities that these people are suffering. They’ve lost their pets, they’ve lost their children, they’ve lost their grandparents, their parents, their siblings, their homes, their clothing, their food, their ability to go to the bathroom.

KRIS: They have, in so many words, been stripped to their basic humanity.

MARK: And what I DO see, out of all the glory stories, so to speak, is that at least on some level it’s gone to the basic survival, but generally speaking, it has still been group survival, which is up a notch in my book. They’re still looking after each other. I hear the looters are breaking into stores to feed people, people breaking into kitchens and restaurants to help feed people. People are getting water for each other. Yes, there are individuals out there that — well, they’re out for their selves — but generally speaking, we have seen group survival, taking care of each other, and that to me is a widening of awareness, at least to some extent.

KRIS: Event those who have suffered tremendous losses are still able to assist others, so there is always ONE who has lost more than you and if the event also shows the tremendous depth of resiliency and honorable courage in the human heart. These qualities alone are the remedying factor in so many words, and they are a foundation for human society.

There will come a time when these will be the pillars of government as well — the ability to recognize in the other, the need to assist in helping and healing. Even those who might not be in a financial position to provide funds, those who might not be in a physical position to provide assistance, may gather in small groups to send heartfelt energy and provide some means of support that is within their capacity. If you edge more closely to a Global Village, it must be understood that the village comes to the aid of the individual. The village is constructed to assist the individual and individuals assist the village. It is a symbiotic relationship.

MARK: Something we’re lacking in now.

KRIS: This may well be the seeds of such ventures. Now do you have any questions?

MARK: No.

KRIS: Indeed then, we leave you to your lovely self, and may all who listen and read this small session find themselves in a position to assist and GIVE FREELY OF THE HEART and with that, we send our blessings to all those in need.

MARK: Thank you.

(Session ends 11:05 PM)

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