Zeeturon

July 25, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 25, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

[MARK’S NOTES: On July 20, 2005, Joseph on New World View posted the following statement:

“Oops, guess this topic really belongs in the Seth topic. You may move it there if you wish. But first, I have something for Kris. I have good reason to believe that after I "die" here on Earth, I'll go somewhere else with all my memories of Earth, and live there for billions of years, becoming a meta-personality. (I have shown knowledge of energy manipulation that is not of this Earth.) As myself here and now, I give Kris permission to tap into that future self. (I don't know whether Kris needs my permission to do that.)”

Then on July 23, 2005 he followed up with this statement:

“I have at times felt that there is a part of myself that is many billions of years old, and has knowledge of energy manipulation that is not of this Earth. I believe that that is a future part of myself who lives on a different planet. Kris, I must admit that I am far your junior in terms of knowledge; however, if this future self is as knowledgeable as I believe, then he-she (Not an IT, but both male and female) must be at least your equal in terms of knowledge. Also, in addition to this question, I believe you can make some contribution to my efforts to unify Sethian theory with mainstream scientific theory.”

Kris popped in this evening to respond to Joseph’s statements.]

(Session begins at 8:15 PM)

KRIS: Now whether you wanted to or not, you are still having a chat with “the Dead Guy”. (Mark chuckles.)

[MARK’S NOTES: Normally on Monday evenings we have a session with Kris, however on this particular Monday we had not planned on it.]

KRIS: Now this individual, who has asked a bizarre question, indeed has a task before him and a most charming task of sorting out the knowledge and information that is SUPPOSEDLY part of his database and the kind of questions that are asked that do not seem to conform to the knowledge that is APPARENTLY already acquired. Does that make sense?

(Yes.)

Now, first of all, we will offer this individual an Essence name. We will not get into six-packs at this time, but his essence name is Zeeturon (pronounced zi-ter-on). Z-E-E-T-U-R-O-N.

As to his initial inquiry about the billion year old self, for the most part, is somewhat contradictory, even though we ourselves have mentioned that we have seen numerous cycles of existence, each of them in the billions of years in YOUR time references. It is merely to give some references, however Zeeturon does not have a focus stashed away in a home for the aged Essences. Such homes would be far too costly as none of the residents would ever pass away and staff would have to continuously to be replaced.

However, what Zeeturon is SENSING, although somewhat distorted is HIS OWN ESSENCE, his own “All That Is”. He is distorting the sense of his own presence that is literally AGELESS and TIMELESS. In that way then, it serves no purpose to provide specific information about a focus that appears to be aged beyond belief and repair.

But however, that initial SENSE that Zeeturon picked up is his WHOLE self and that is indeed a loaded statement since the self is more than the sum of all of its parts. By opening up his own senses in that direction, it will allow him to engage a recognition of that which is beyond the limitations of his ordinary senses and do away with the notion that there may be a focus that is only a few moments old and another that is billions of years old and everything in between.

There are of course focuses that flash into the memory of Essence, but that flash would not register to the focus. They would indeed, each one of them, humanoid or other-wise, each one of them, engage their experiences and their uniquely combined belief structures as they see fit. And unless they turn their explorations from merely that which triggers the physical senses to that which AWAKENS that eternal sense of self, they would know as little about Essence as the bee would know about the potential pollen that would exist in the next flower, being pre-occupied with the flower of the moment and the nectar of life that it offers. So each unique Expression of Essence, each unique focus, like the bee is pre-occupied with extracting the nectar of experience and satiating itself in any way that it can at that moment.

Above and beyond that are realms of existence that are awaiting a response from the ego construction, the physically focused part of the self and those inner realms of experiences indeed DO encompass billions of years worth of experience, joys and sorrows and all of the nectars of experience gathered from the flowers of physical life. For indeed the SELF — ESSENCE — draws that nectar and creates the sweetest sustenance for ALL of its various focuses and all of the other Essences, literally networked with it to create a body unlike anything that you have ever known or experienced.

That entails LIVING knowledge, NOT bland, dried out and dehydrated books or book-like knowledge, but knowledge in the memories of Essence that are continuously ALIVE, because they are CHARGED with energy. Essence is NOT like a vast museum full of mummified remains of human experiences, but FILLED to capacity and more with the entire spectrum of possible, potential experiences, humanoid or otherwise that lives for ever. So do not think that as the ‘focus of the moment’ that ‘focus du jour’ that your existence is snuffed out and that you will merge into a cosmic soup, but that instead, your experiences are ETERNALLY embedded into the very fabric and framework of Essence and of the Universe itself, for there is a Universe that exists beyond the one of the physical senses, the one that is ETERNAL, the one that is SELF. That is “UNIVERSE”!

Therefore Dear Zeeturon, you are what you sense and that is our not-so-humble answer.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: And now we will return you to the experience of your moment.

(8:27 PM session Ends)

Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’ Ji) and Ann (Shanmular)

July 19, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 19, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: In Toronto, Serge (Joseph). In Delaware, Ellen (Kwaa’Ji) and Ann (Shanmular)

KRIS: Now we trust that the two of you are comfortable, and we thank you for your consideration.

ELLEN: Okay, we got questions!

KRIS: Of that we are certain.

ANN: Where shall we start?

ELLEN: Well, Ann and I have discovered — we’ve been friends for about what – six years now?

ANN: Something like that.

ELLEN: And in the last few months our friendship has really deepened and we were wondering if we might have some focuses you might be able to tell us about.

KRIS: (pause) Do you recall the transcript; we believe that you worked on recently?

ELLEN: One of the “Dinner & A Dead Guy” ones?

KRIS: Indeed, the last one, the “Summer Solstice” one.

ELLEN: The Summer Solstice, yeah.

KRIS: Do you remember the land and the people we described?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah – the Uru and the Altai?

KRIS: Indeed. Do you remember your own subjective response to the material?

ELLEN: (chuckling in remembrance) Yes.

KRIS: Would you be so kind as to describe that to your friend?

ELLEN: (to Ann) Kris talked about this ancient, ancient people – I think he said it was about 300 million years back – and they were into…not nature worship, but um…honoring and revering the sun, the moon cycles, the Earth, and they would have celebrations of the rising of the sun, the phases of the moon, and he led the group through a really nice meditation and it was (laughs) – oh, it DID affect me! – it was VERY…sensual.

ANN: The meditation?

ELLEN: The meditation and the connection, the feeling, even just listening to [the recording] myself; it felt very visceral…um, I felt connected to it, and at the end of it, it was — (laughs)

ANN: What happened? What was it?

ELLEN: Oh, I don’t know how to describe it! Didn’t I play a little bit of it for you?

ANN: I don’t know…

ELLEN: At the very end of it, he described how very potent and delicious and –

ANN: Yes! Oh, yes. Yes, you did!

ELLEN: It was so joyous. Did you feel any – ? Any…I don’t know…any connection? To that? (To Kris) Do we have focuses back in those times?

KRIS: You have each an expression as part of a council of elders. Tribal elders.

ELLEN: Wow.

KRIS: Both female. Both concerned with the well-being, and especially the spiritual well-being of the members of your small clan. And such many clans – all clans had their own council of elders – and upon the special ceremonies, such as summer and winter solstice, harvesting time, sowing time, and so on and so forth – the entire network of elders would gather in special places, not unlike those found in Europe, England – with stone circles.

ANN: Oh, mmhmm.

ELLEN: Like Stonehenge?

KRIS: Indeed. We did hint that many of these societies of circle builders had roots in the Altai people in the Ural mountains.

ANN: What were those people? What were they named?

KRIS: Altai. There are still descendants of these ancient people alive today.

ELLEN: (pointing at one of my paintings on the wall of a woman standing in front of a stone slab, part of a stone circle) That might explain [the origin of] my “goddess” paintings then.

ANN: Mmhm.

KRIS: As village council elders, it was your responsibility to look after the well-being of the members of your group, and you would gather with others from other clans periodically for the exchange of ideas and for commerce. And you were both well-respected amongst many of the clans’ various councils, often sought after because you could be considered wise and able to discern for the well-being of those people you cared for. This was one of the first times that the two of you came together in that fashion.

ELLEN: We were friends or relatives or –?

KRIS: You were kinsmen, but not close relatives. You could say distant cousins related through the matriarchal family lines. This gave you both the opportunity to investigate establishing a few other connections in other lifetimes and expressions. Both of you, whether you realize it or not, also have a strong connection with the American Civil War.

ELLEN: Oh, yeah?

KRIS: But nothing like Scarlett.

ELLEN: Nothing like what?

KRIS: Scarlett.

(Confused murmurs. The phone connection is fuzzy all through the session.)

KRIS: (enunciating) SCAR-LETT.

ELLEN: (to Ann) Did you…? Oh! Scarlett! Scarlett O’Hara. (We both crack up)

ANN: Thank you for clarifying that!

KRIS: You were both brothers.

ELLEN: We were brothers?

KRIS: Indeed, and you did not necessarily see any great heroism on the field because in the early stages of the American Civil War, an outbreak of smallpox nearly did the war in. So early on in your military careers, you both succumbed to smallpox. In some manner, you have since, in other expressions, always tried to maintain good health. You are not always successful, but in the long run, you have a disposition to wanting, and staying within, a healthy atmosphere. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

ELLEN: It’s funny — we’ve known each other for about six years, but it’s only been in the last few months that we’ve started to really deepen our friendship, connect more; and when we did, we just –

ANN: We were both going through difficult times – one of which you know, with Ellen, with her re-remembering that very difficult experience in college, and me – more or less coming to terms with some realities about myself, some changes I needed to make; and we’ve found that we’ve really been able to help one another and be there for one another and provide insight, and resources, and support, and answers to one another just as we’ve needed it as we’ve been going along.

ELLEN: Our friendship…we’ve both said the same thing to each other – that we’ve never had this sort of friendship with anyone else.

KRIS: Indeed. And if you are able to remember initial encounters many years ago, there was a flash of recognition – not necessarily that you would become instant friends, but you did perceive that you would like this person at one point.

ANN: Yes.

ELLEN: I think Ann felt that initially very much –

ANN: I did.

ELLEN: — because she approached me. I have bigger boundary issues than she does (laughing). But yes, she did approach me…um…in a way that surprised me, but we did – we did hit it off really well, but we just noticed a really good connection lately that we’ve really been good for each other lately.

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN: (laughing) I wasn’t sure if it wasn’t just menopause, or what!

KRIS: There are approximately seven shared experiences or shared lifetime experiences in one capacity or another. Another STRONG relationship – a third deep one – occurred at the time of the Plague in Wales, a mining village. We believe it is called Cumbria.

(We ask him to repeat that, and Kris spells it C-U-M-B-R-I-A)

ANN: When was that, Kris?

KRIS: At the time of the Plague.

ELLEN: Middle Ages?

KRIS: Indeed.

ANN: The Black Death. What was our relationship to one another at that time?

KRIS: At that time, relationship was of husband and…..mmmm…we would have to say…lover.

ANN: Husband and LOVER?

ELLEN: Mistress??

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Ahhh! (Ann and I both crack up) Who was who?

KRIS: Ellen was husband.

ELLEN: (jokingly) Oh, I’m so masculine! (Kris always seems to point that out to me!)

ANN: And I was the mistress. (unintelligible bit of joking at which I laugh)

KRIS: You would not have liked to meet Kwaa’Ji’s wife.

ANN: You said I would not have liked his wife? I didn’t know her?

KRIS: Indeed not. (pause while an emergency vehicle passes in the street below with a particularly loud siren) Now that the excitement on the street has gone by – you would not have liked to meet Kwaa’Ji’s wife. She was a most hammish individual.

ELLEN: You broke up — what was that? A most what individual?

KRIS: She was rather a large ham.

ANN: A large “ham”? What? (we both look at each other and laugh, shrugging)

ELLEN: Our connection’s not real good, you’re breaking up a little bit.

KRIS: Indeed. As we said, Kwaa’Ji’s wife was a rather large (very distinctly) HAM.

ELLEN: A large ham.

KRIS: Ham.

ANN: Ham?!?

ELLEN: As in an acting “ham”?

KRIS: As in (spells it) H-A-M.

ANN: (getting it) Like a PIG?!?

KRIS: (sounding almost relieved that one of us finally has a clue!) Indeed. (We totally crack up) And a rather lazy and demanding one at that.

ELLEN: Do I know this person today?

KRIS: No.

ELLEN: Okay, good.

KRIS: And Kwaa’Ji was quite besotted with his woes.

ELLEN: Besotted with my woes?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: (laughing) Fortunately, I’m NOTHING like that today!

KRIS: And you were at that time considered a rather sorrowful individual, even by other men, since it was considered that you could not take control of your wife.

ELLEN: (Amused, in mock horror) Oh, dear!

KRIS: However, you managed to survive her, since she died while stuffing her face. (we laugh) Even though you were a merchant, most of your earnings went into her stomach!

ELLEN: Oh dear! Jack Spratt. (Ann and I look at each other in helpless amusement, wondering where he’s going with this)

KRIS: You did manage to put on a few pounds after her demise.

(Now we are really starting to crack up)

ANN: Ha, ha ha! There was more food available!

KRIS: You took your mistress in as your wife – second wife. You had no children, for the wife did not want any competition at the table. Her largesse was a unique experiment for that individual. (Pause. Ann and I are trying hard not to laugh, so we can hear all of Kris’ words, but, though his delivery is deadpan, it’s obvious he is having a grand time) In one way or another she had indeed become so large, that, first of all, the back wall of the residence had to be broken down to remove her corpse from the house –

(Now we are completely undone. Shrieks of “Oh no!” and raucous laughter)

– and it had to be dragged by horses (he pauses while we shriek all the more). There were not enough strong men that could act as pall bearers. Needless to say, Kwaa’Ji’s real estate literally doubled overnight – (Kris keeps pausing while we collapse into new gales of laughter before he releases his next zinger) – by her being extracted from the property.

(Now we are completely undone. Tears are rolling down our cheeks. Kris kindly pauses to allow us to compose ourselves once again)

ANN: (To me) Aren’t you glad you asked?

ELLEN: No! Let’s move on.

KRIS: (Brightly) Indeed!

(We still are trying to pull ourselves together, with new burbles of laughter and snorts bursting out every time the image comes back)

KRIS: Now, neither of you suffered from the effects of the Plague, though people you knew did pass away from it.

ELLEN: I guess!

KRIS: But Kwaa’Ji also was careful with his own health. If his rather large wife had not passed away from stuffing her own face, she would quite likely have succumbed to the plague in a short amount of time.

ELLEN: I guess I found reason to live.

KRIS: Indeed! (Laughter) The Plague affected many in the village, caused a lot of grief, but also enabled the remainders to re-build their lives and their village and their way of life. It ended up proving to be a most powerful challenge indeed. And…..Kwaa’Ji did eventually father two children, now that there was enough food in the house to feed them, too.

ANN: (Coyly) And was I the mother of those children?

KRIS: Indeed. These are not people you know in this lifetime.

ELLEN: (still laughing) Now, let’s ah….move on.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I’m afraid of what else I might hear! (Attempting some sobriety) Um…Ann introduced me to the Labyrinth a couple of years ago, and I got the impression that you pretty much approve of the Labyrinth walks?

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN: Because I think I encountered you outside of one, one day. Do you remember that?

KRIS: Repeat.

ELLEN: I think I encountered you outside the Labyrinth when I was walking to it one day a couple of months ago.

KRIS: We do not necessarily have the means to confirm.

ELLEN: Okay.

KRIS: There are many images from our own forms that often are imbued with specific qualities where they can make experiments on their own.

ELLEN: Well, I had a dream that I was walking on my way home, and I walked into a small grocery store. It seemed I had to go through this store – I couldn’t go around, I had to go through it to get home. I went up and down the aisles – it was a little like a maze, going up and down the aisles – and there was a young man there who was the proprietor, and he smiled at me, and I got the impression that he approved of my being in there, and the purchases I was about to make. I walked out then, to continue on my way home, and I woke up.

Well, the next day I had the impulse to go to the Labyrinth that’s located downtown in the basement of a church. On the way there, I encountered a young man who looked just like the one in my dream. He smiled and nodded at me in this encouraging way, and I thought it was you.

But anyway, since then — I’ve started going back on Labyrinth walks and recently Ann discovered a new one that’s outdoors on the grounds of a really old church. We went there one day to try it out. We both had been working through a lot of personal issues, like we said before, so we stopped and sat down and talked for awhile about the things that were concerning us, and sharing, then a little bird – do you remember the bird, Ann?

ANN: Yes.

ELLEN: This bird started flitting back and forth above us, and chirping and I said to Ann, “You know, I think that bird is trying to tell us something!” So we just chatted a bit more, then got up and walked the labyrinth to the center, sat down to meditate. And it was a beautiful, beautiful clear day – but as we sat there, I think it was what? Maybe 10 minutes?

ANN: Something like that.

ELLEN: About 10 minutes in the weather started to change – it started to get very breezy and I opened my eyes and I noticed it had gotten dark and the wind really picked up. As we sat there I felt a couple of raindrops, so we got up and managed to walk the path outwards without having to abandon it, but by the time we were out, it started to rain really hard and we had to run for the car. By that time we were laughing and our whole mood had changed, and I said to Ann, “I think we brought on that thunderstorm.”

So I was wondering about your thoughts about it, because you’ve talked a lot recently about the idea complexes –

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN: — and I was particularly interested in your talk about conditioned space –

KRIS: Indeed. Now your young man is another projection of Kwaa’Ji.

ELLEN: Ohh! So it was Kwaa’Ji then?

KRIS: Indeed, it was why you felt a certain kinship.

ANN: Ohhh!

ELLEN: Oh, I definitely felt something there! I thought about that maybe – maybe that it was either Kris or Kwaa’Ji.

KRIS: Indeed. We would even consider that he is rather dashing.

ELLEN: He was! VERY dashing! (giggling in remembrance) A little young for me, but –!

KRIS: In many of Kwaa’Ji’s male expressions, he seems to prefer choosing a rather pleasing physical appearance, one that soothes the eyes.

ELLEN: (reminiscing) Yeah, I had a very, VERY nice dream of him one time! (I’m referring to a dream of Kwaa’Ji in which he appeared as a very handsome, very nicely built firefighter. Eye candy indeed!)

KRIS: Now your Labyrinth and weather experience would show you that your mood prior to the change in weather was not unlike the change in weather itself. And as you found your way out of the maze, and to the car – by that time the psychic charge had dissipated and been manifest as your small storm cloud.

ELLEN: That’s what I thought had happened. So was it the both of us together?

KRIS: It would have happened whether you were together or not. It was relevant to your mood.

ELLEN: Did it make a difference – the fact that –

KRIS: Indeed. Whether you recognized it or not, you consciously released. Making the intent through the maze to find inner peace with your moment allowed that charge to be released from your psyche. In some other instances it may not even manifest itself physically, but in this one, it DID; because you were also looking for the physical counterpart of your emotions. You were looking for some kind of a sign, an understanding that your working through these issues was….

ELLEN: Working.

KRIS: Indeed. The maze is a very ancient means of working out issues. The ancient Tibetans used similar manmade mazes. Today they have refined their purpose and function at such a point where they need not WALK the maze – for those who are adept practitioners – but indeed will walk it psychologically as they create it. Do you understand?

BOTH: Oh yeah! Yes, definitely.

ELLEN: It always….Ann always says that when she walks it, she almost always gains insight while she walks.

KRIS: Indeed! The maze is another representation of your individual atmosphere with its own twists and turns. The landscape of the maze is meant to be reminiscent of your emotional and psychological landscape, and as you walk and you turn, you end up at only one place – yourself.

BOTH: Yes, yeah.

KRIS: So the maze, in a manner of speaking, is a stylized Self.

ELLEN: A stylized “self”?

KRIS: Indeed. S-E-L-F. Its function IS to help you Acknowledge, Address, and Accept.

ELLEN: Yep! (Laughs) Which is what I was doing the first time I walked it this year, I was going through the Triple ‘A’ and the Triple ‘H’ methods.

ANN: Kris, I have a question.

KRIS: Please continue.

ANN: I have been working a lot with animal energies, and this is something that Ellen introduced me to by using some Animal Medicine cards based on Native American tradition. And some of the animals that came up in that were very helpful to me, but I was just curious if you could give me an indication – I mean – there is sort of — Ellen is kind of associated with a fox — I was curious if there is an animal that you could share with me, that I might have a particular affinity to?

KRIS: (In mock wonderment) Who would have thought that Kwaa’Ji could possibly have fox?

(We both laugh)

ANN: But, she looks a little like a fox [in appearance]. I thought that before.

ELLEN: Serge likes to tease me about this fox stuff, too.

KRIS: Now, do understand that the Native American approach to animal medicine…does you understand the concept?

ANN: Yes.

KRIS: Animal medicine represents (very deliberately) one layer of the maze of the Self. These are specific paths, and they do bring understanding, and there are other aspects to self that would be interpreted by other cultures, but it does not mean to say it is less valid. On the contrary – the study of animal medicine in that specific manner – totem animals – can bring a GREAT understanding.

For yourself we would associate you with Turtle, T-U-R-T-L-E, turtle as a power animal. Do you follow?

ANN: I’m here, I heard you, yes. I’ll look into that.

KRIS: You will see that Turtle has much medicine, a great deal of medicine.

ELLEN: I think it’s considered very feminine energy, isn’t it?

KRIS: And very sacred.

ELLEN: And North America is supposed to be referred to as “Turtle Island.”

ANN: Really?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: North America is a very ancient continent, contrary to popular scientific belief. Now, Kwaa’Ji may also help you understand the meaning of Essence name intonation and what is referred to as the “six-pack.”

ELLEN: Yeah, yeah. Ann was curious too, about her two Volds. What’s the meaning of having two Volds; what does that indicate for her?

KRIS: And did you help her research?

ELLEN: Yeah, some. We haven’t had too much time to go over it, but I did help her with what the Vold represents – that they are considered the “Hearers” and I always liken the Vold family to the High Priestess Tarot card.

KRIS: And there are associations with Tumold as well. It would greatly benefit to research the intent of each family as it may allow you to explore aspects of your own personality that you may have never considered before. It will help give a foundation to the meaning of YOUR life experiences over and above that which you have so far established.

ELLEN: It takes a lot of digging.

KRIS: Indeed. The effort is well worth the time.

ELLEN: It truly is. When I was looking over my own totem animals – my “Within” totem is the Turkey, and the Within direction has to do with your Sacred Self, the part of you that you don’t necessarily share with others; and the Turkey is supposed to be the “Give-Away” animal. I realized then how pertinent it was for me — I’m supposed to “give away” part of my inner self – to freely share – and I realized also that the combination of Vold and Ilda [in my own six-pack] also kind of reflects that same energy.

KRIS: Indeed. Now does Ann wish to explore an Essence name?

ANN: I think you told me it was Shanmular?

ELLEN: Has it changed?

KRIS: Nooo. (We both laugh) However, do make some good use of that intonation.

ANN: I’m sorry, I didn’t understand what you said…

KRIS: Make good use of that intonation.

ANN: Information about the Essence?

ELLEN: That would be “intonation.”

KRIS: Indeed. Utilize it as you would a mantra.

ELLEN: In meditation.

ANN: Ahhh!

KRIS: You may even utilize it when you walk the maze.

BOTH: Oh yeah! Good, good idea.

KRIS: Acquire a sense of those energies and the extension of those energies into other focuses and their life experiences, their challenges; how THEIR views about and experiences with life – their life – may indeed come to your assistance, and how the experiences and challenges of your unique life also bring about a depth of meaning into the lives of your other expressions. Does that make sense to you?

ANN: (slowly absorbing) Ye-e-s….

ELLEN: And then understanding more of the families, and how the families affect your personality today, can help bring you understanding.

KRIS: Indeed. In fact, you can consider that the maze is not only a representation of your Self, but you can also consider it to be a representation of your Essence.

ELLEN: Ohh – the further you go in, the closer you come to your own Essence. When you get to the center, you’re kind of in touch with your Essence.

KRIS: It can be considered exactly as such. (Intently and forcefully) And allow the SENSE of that to literally travel through and FILL your being.

ELLEN: It can really get profound!

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I mean….kind of addicting, too.

ANN: In a good way.

ELLEN: Yeah, in a good way. I’ve only just begun to really feel this — the powerful effect it can have on you. It just keeps me coming back to it.

KRIS: Indeed, because even though it may appear imperceptible to the human eye, the maze DOES change from one visit to the next because SELF is always changing on its own. In that way, the maze is always renewed when you enter it.

ELLEN: Wow! That’s a neat way of putting it.

ANN: Kris, you know, there is — in mythology there is a story from ancient history about the maze from the Greeks and the Cretan traditions, and I’ve been studying that a lot. And the story of Ariadne and Dionysus, and I was just curious, I know you’ve talked before about mythology and stories and how they can inform us — can you share anything about that story and the Labyrinth?

KRIS: If you consider for instance, the Greek myth of crossing the Styx, the river Styx; are you familiar with this?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: Even though it is generally considered to be about the passage into the underworld, into the unconscious, and so on and so forth; it is also a psychological maze in mythological format.

ELLEN: The myth of – I’m not sure how to pronounce it correctly – Inanna?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: That’s very close to the – that myth – really reflects the maze – the labyrinth, doesn’t it?

KRIS: Indeed, even the ancient stories and myths of Hercules, which themselves are based upon the ancient feats or tasks of Gilgamesh.

ELLEN: And there’s always seven [tasks], isn’t there?

KRIS: There are usually similar numbers that appear in the myths – in all of these myths – as well as the heroes of these myths always travel very specific paths. They always have very specific tasks set before them, and these are kind of literary labyrinths. When you read them, you do not notice that your mind is constructing the labyrinths of their tasks, and their heroic feats. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah, this is why you were suggesting we read these ancient myths, right?

KRIS: This is one of the reasons! Because – they are constructed in such a manner that they lead you to your own Heroic Dimension that is at the center of the Labyrinth, and your own lives are themselves – CAN be considered – labyrinths. Many people do not take the time to realize this and therefore have lost their sense of power and fulfillment, and have run into dead ends, and cannot find the way out. Do you understand?

BOTH: Mmhmm. Oh, yes, very much so.

ELLEN: And this is largely what has made this great connection that Ann and I have felt these past few months. That we both feel ourselves on this same journey – exploring these same –

KRIS: Indeed, you have many connective elements that sustain a stronger bond of friendship. And this will continue to grow. (Pause) Since you both also have an interest in books. This interest can go much further than simply reading them. Not only do you work in bookstore, but if you examine some of your own innermost desires, there is a part of you that might like to write, correct?

ANN: Yes.

ELLEN: Collaborate you mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

BOTH: AHHH! (Laughter of recognition of these very impulses)

KRIS: We might suggest that you can collaborate, perhaps in creating a literary labyrinth.

BOTH: Ahhhh!

KRIS: Such as the myth of the Fox and the Turtle! (We both laugh in appreciation)

Or something equally as valid, another approach to letting the reader be drawn into their own myth; the mythology of their own life. They do not see that it is so. Do you understand?

ANN: I think so.

KRIS: They get lost in the Labyrinth. They forget that they are the Hero or Heroine. They have a task, a challenge. Their own lives are mythical in the very best sense of the word. Not mythical as it is often considered to be – superfluous and therefore to be dispensed with. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: This type of mythic storytelling is about the AWAKENING of Self. So you can take the time, here and there, to toss some ideas at each other, and see what comes of it.

ANN: We might write a book together.

ELLEN: There’s a challenge for us.

ANN: Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed, far less traumatizing than you might even think of.

ELLEN: Far less traumatizing?

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN: What are you referring to?

KRIS: The idea of collaboration in such a project is far less traumatizing than you might think.

ANN: Do you mean to say that it would be far easier than we think it would be?

KRIS: Indeed!

ELLEN: I don’t think it would be traumatizing. Challenging.

ANN: Challenging, yes.

KRIS: And certainly would prove….enlightening to both of you.

ANN: Very enlightening.

KRIS: Because you would come across material in your own minds from your other focuses, other experiences that can be brought into your storyline. Individuals, others – the readers – may be able to recognize in themselves and thus find solutions to their own dilemmas. That is what the Labyrinth is for – whether it is literary, graphic, visual, physical – it is meant to bring about solutions.

ELLEN: So keep walking the Labyrinth, too, huh?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I had a question about the 11:11 reference that Sohars was talking about?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Around the same time he had the 11:11 sighting on his clock, I did too. I think I kind of figured out how 11:11 — well, what meaning it had in my life anyway, probably in a lot of other people’s too.

KRIS: Indeed, and if you allow yourself to venture in those areas, you will discover that there are multiple perceptions to be had. And what you can perceive today might have additional material tomorrow. Allow these processes. They are a process of self-discovery. The digital clock, the 11:11, the 10:01, the 5:55, and so on and so forth.

ELLEN: Don’t say 6:66!

KRIS: But there is a 3:33. (We laugh) These things are to alert you to the notion that this is a slight coincidence, in so many words, that you should pay attention to. And you may or may not capture it immediately, but it will flow into your awareness. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah. I had a dream of parallel tracks [like railroad tracks], and it was just very brief, but very vivid, and it seemed important that I write it down, and when I did – I looked at the clock and it said 11:11. Later I thought of the Justice card, which is number 11 in the Tarot deck, and in the Justice card of course, there are scales. That made me think of Balance, and then I thought that 11:11 represents Balance and Harmony.

KRIS: And perhaps even other things will come to your awareness at another time. But these are good perceptions.

ELLEN: It just got me thinking about the parallel things that are going on in my life, and one of those things, of course, is the connection with Ann, and the way things have been clicking along on New World View, and then of course, your sessions and everything — everything just seems to be lining up. They seem like conjunctions. Conjunctions? Is that the word I want? (NOTE: “Congruencies” is the word I was searching for.)

KRIS: It is understandable.

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: And indeed, the whole of human existence is a series of opportune moments, of coincidences in that sense of the word; that lead you to discover so much more about who and what you are. Your lives are not one or two-dimensional, but indeed, multidimensional. So you are deliberately searching for the very mystery of your Being, and the Universe always leaves clues behind so that when you think you have it all solved, something presents itself that opens up more questions than it brings answers. Does that make sense?

ELLEN: That’s the fun.

KRIS: That IS what you call “the fun part.” It is when the individual stops inquiring about his or her mystery, her or his MYTH, and takes the world at face value, that he or she may experience the sense of a small loss; much like the child reluctantly leaves behind the world of magic and accepts the world of the adult. Do you understand?

BOTH: Mmhmm. Yes.

ELLEN: I feel like we’re getting the magic back now.

KRIS: Indeed! It is time to bring back the magic! This is about the re-enchantment of the human individual. (Pause) Please continue.

ANN: Kris, can I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed!

ANN: I’m at a juncture in my life where I’m basically trying to figure out what I want to do when I grow up – and I’m 49, I really want to get on with it – and it’s really come to me within the past couple of days that what I really am is an artist; but I never practiced at any particular art, and that sort of concerns me. But it also is kind of making me think that I’m going to just create something, a new kind of art that hasn’t been created yet. But I was just curious as to how, if you could tell me a little bit more about the Essence of Shanmular. Can you tell me a little bit more about what he was in my past, and how that might inform me or help me now?

KRIS: Now, an artist may not necessarily be an individual who limits his art to painting or sculpting. Writers are also artists. They deal with a different set of tools. Do you understand?

ANN: Yes.

KRIS: And in fact, all individuals are artists in their own way. They are most artful mythmakers. Do you understand that?

ANN: I think so. Could you repeat part of that?

KRIS: All individuals are artful mythmakers.

ELLEN: Sorry, Kris, you’re breaking up a little bit.

ANN: We’ll just ask you to repeat when needed.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, the impulse that you feel within yourself to do something artistic; to explore the world of the arts is a fine impulse to pursue. Our suggestion is to, for the time being, to not box this impulse in any specific format, but to allow the exploration of something that you can do and the previous suggestion of a collaboration of writing can be said to be one of those expressions. Do you understand so far?

ANN: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Now your lovely Essence (pause) has been involved in a few interesting projects of its own. For instance, when you look at ancient carvings in stones, ancient circles –

ANN: Did you say stone circles?

KRIS: Circles, not stone circles, but circles carved in stone.

ANN: Okay.

KRIS: And stone circles themselves, things that speak of an older time, a time when the Goddess was more appreciated; the feminine energies were more honored. There is something that speaks within you very deeply.

ANN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: We mention this because you may be able to tap into some of this creativity, not as the means to define and determine what you will do or not, but more specifically as a means to draw to yourself those energies and impulses that will trigger you to take action, to trigger you to be creative at that moment. Do you understand?

ANN: I think so.

KRIS: Now the important thing is that when you do feel an impulse, perhaps to take pencil and paper, or to cover a canvas with different colors and shapes – whatever the source may be – it is in response to YOU, to your state of mind as easily as your states of mind drew storm clouds whilst you were in the Labyrinth.

ELLEN: Wow, yeah.

KRIS: So it is important that, not only do you explore, but that you also act upon the impulses because they will lead you to expand what it is that you wish to create, and you may not necessarily find any ONE artistic venue to be your calling, but perhaps a multi-artistic perspective. Does that make sense to you?

ANN: Let me re-iterate: you’re saying that just pay attention, explore, and act upon whatever impulses that come up for me? – And let them lead me, and that I may not find one particular artistic venue – and then the next part I didn’t quite understand.

KRIS: You may find that a multi-artistic perspective is most useful to you. Perhaps one week watercolors may greatly interest you, and in another week, clay might draw your attention. Either way, at least until you are able to narrow down your perspective in this area, allow yourself to dabble and play exactly like the child will play on the sandy beach, making his small castles. Do you understand?

ANN: Yes! I understand perfectly.

KRIS: And the main point is that you have FUN doing these things, that you enjoy the creative process. That is far more important that you understand your own creative process than it is to box your processes in a set manner. Does that make sense to you?

ANN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: And it is in the fun of the moment that the artist reveals his or her greatest joy. Even when the mood may be somber, there is still a delight in partaking of that mood, for the artist’s own purposes. Do you follow that?

ANN: Yes.

KRIS: In the most basic terms: have trust in the process instead of wanting to lead the process. Do you understand?

ANN: I do, yes.

ELLEN: And follow impulses.

KRIS: Indeed. Now of course, if you find an impulse to swim from a bridge, we suggest you find another impulse! (laughter) One has to maintain a certain kind of practicality.

KRIS: Now may we inquire as to the time?

ELLEN: I have 6:50. I’m not sure exactly when we started.

KRIS: We believe this is approximately 60 minutes already. Are there any last questions?

ELLEN: Have anything else?

ANN: I don’t think so.

ELLEN: I just had one more “Eleven” synch I wanted to touch on. And that is that tomorrow is the 11th anniversary of my husband’s death and I just feel like, for the last year — well, a little over a year ago, when I started getting heart palpitations and the doctors said there was nothing wrong with me and that was when I figured that it had something to do with the relationship with my husband. And I worked through that, and when they came back again when I was working through that THC incident, then they finally went away completely. And I think I finally reached another kind of an understanding that that 11:11 synch kind of validated for me.

KRIS: Indeed, and may we offer a small suggestion: a gentle nudge for you that perhaps you reconsider the mental atmosphere you are creating when you mention the 11th anniversary of his death.

ELLEN: Yeah?

KRIS: And look at the possibility of re-vamping, re-organizing this and consider it the 11th anniversary of his new life, or new existence.

ELLEN: Yeah, I think that’s what – I think that’s kind of what I was feeling, in a way – like one ’11′ is 11 years since his death, and the other 11 is sort of like a re-birth. I don’t know if I’m –

KRIS: The reason we mentioned this is because regardless of the intent, the focus is the anniversary of one’s death, and it usually implies a semi-death of your own self.

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: Instead, you might find it beneficial to look at the 11th anniversary not only of HIS new existence, but also of yours.

ELLEN: Yeah…..exactly! Yeah.

KRIS: It does go hand-in-hand with the process.

ELLEN: Yeah, and I DO feel like I’ve reached another level of Balance and Harmony. Um…I don’t know – hard to describe, but I feel like I worked through something in the past year and now I feel better.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I feel like I’ve laid something to rest and something new has begun.

KRIS: And that is what human existence is about: a continual process of evolution in that sense of the word, from one state into another.

ELLEN: And that feels very validating.

KRIS: (softly) Indeed. Now, we trust that both of you have enjoyed your discussion.

ELLEN: It’s been a lot of fun.

ANN: Yes, Kris. Thank you.

KRIS: Remember that above all other things, you are truly blessed, because you have insight, you have perception into the very nature of your lives. Enjoy that blessed atmosphere. And may your friendship continue to blossom.

ELLEN: Thank you, Kris.

ANN: Thank you.

Getting Technical – How YCYOR

July 12, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 12, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

[MARK’S NOTES: This walk session took place the day after the July 11, 2005 Dinner and a Dead Guy session entitled “Dance of Shiva” where Kris helped Serge (Joseph) voice another entity called ‘Eeja’.]

(Session begins)

KRIS: Now we trust that last night’s visit did not prove too unsettling. (Kris is speaking about the appearance of Eeja in the previous night’s Dinner & A Dead Guy session).

MARK: No, on the contrary, I found it exciting, exhilarating and fun! And my whole dream state last night was visiting and exploring, so I thought it was wonderful.

KRIS: With more encouraged practice, such visits can be enhanced. Now, do you wish material for what Joseph correctly perceived as “Discourses On Dreams” or another discussion, such as for your newsletter?

MARK: Well, I don’t have any of the questions with me for the newsletter – so we could do a discussion, sure. (Pause) This “Discourse on Dreams,” is it going to be like last time where I need to transcribe it before the next session?

KRIS: Not specifically. However, when possible, jotting down notes would be helpful for Joseph to look over. (Okay) Minute details do not need to be described.

MARK: Well, since this is just a walk to the store, why don’t we just do a regular discussion right now.

KRIS: Indeed, then perhaps we can create an offshoot of some of last night’s discussion on furthering explorations on Idea Atmospheres. And we specifically chose the term “atmosphere” for a variety of reasons. This implies what we described yesterday as a psychological atmosphere. As a result of the psychological atmosphere, you get an interpretation of that in very real, concrete physical terms such as the phenomenon of your Earth atmosphere, which out of necessity must incorporate what you call your weather patterns.

These are all expressions thereof of the collective psychological atmosphere, whether on a global scale, a regional scale, or even a very localized phenomenon. The weather patterns, weather fronts, different layers of the atmosphere, are all very organized manifestations of the human psyche. It is very important to understand that it is a good thing to recognize that you create your own reality, but indeed, what are some of the principles involved? What are some of the tools that you utilize? And how do these come about?

Indeed, you may even notice that as individual, a single, singular person — you manifest your own psychological atmospheres depending upon the moods, your attitudes, your sense of self at any given moment. And though the average individual may like to claim that another person, the government, the news, the neighbor, the system, are all responsible for how he or she feels at any given time, the reality is such that you actually create the situations that you experience as a means of bringing to your attention where your feeling tone is at any given moment. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, very much so.

KRIS: Thus, if you adhere to a belief that you are constantly, consistently and incessantly victimized by others; that somehow or other, you are screwed by everyone and everything at every corner, then you will literally invent the situations that mirror very well those specific beliefs. Those sets of convictions will clearly reflect back to you your specific concentration at any time that creates a very specific atmosphere, and utilizing the mechanisms of the body, we have said before that the human form is a very capable battery. You utilize the energy of the human form to generate specific charges to manifest those situations you concentrate upon.

And this is not only the thought du jour that you think is your reality. That is only one of a much deeper, more inlaid atmosphere that contains the beliefs and sets of convictions that you adhere to. And few individuals would pause for a moment and try to take into consideration why they must try to force such thoughts as: “I must think good thoughts!” because if you listen to the answers, they will say something – you will hear something – akin to “You believe that you must enforce the thinking of good thoughts, positive thoughts, because you fear that anything to the contrary will swallow you whole like a barracuda and therefore devastate your precious reality.”

That means that the sets of convictions that you are deliberately denying and suppressing are what you are concentrating upon. You could far more readily defuse that whole set of convictions by acknowledging it, addressing it, and accepting it, so that you can then be freed to direct your attention to another personalized set of convictions with the entire accompanying idea atmosphere; thus freeing yourself from the need to counter-balance what you assume are negative and flawed convictions that you try to deny. And you are the only individual, as far as you are concerned, that gives this notion any power through your concentrating upon it.

By moving away and directing your attention to another idea atmosphere with its own sets of convictions that you also entertain, you could readily transform the very nature of your feeling-tone. Thus, out of the energy of your own physical form, an entirely different experience can be had and lived and enjoyed. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does, very much.

KRIS: Now we have suggested at another time recently, that your eyes give you the impression that your body ends at the uppermost layer of the epidermis. That is only a perception. It is not the reality. There is no specific demarcation point as such between your body and the environment and everything within that environment which is a continuation of your own encapsulated idea atmosphere.

Therefore, unseen to your eyes, but readily seen and we should rephrase that, unseen to the NAKED eye, but readily observable under powerful microscopes, the layers of the epidermis are made up of lattices of cellular structures and from within the human organism there are POWERFUL, very powerful, signals as a result of those sets of convictions you concentrate upon, releasing from within the body, through the nervous system into every organ — including the epidermis and into its latticed cellular networks — out towards the apparent outer region of the physical body — these powerful signals which are bio-chemical and electromagnetic in nature, as an extension of the neurological transmission within the brain and the entire body, these powerful signals, literally ENCOURAGE the entire re-organization of the units of consciousness to give an entirely different scenario.

[MARK’S NOTES: It is important to note that when we transcribe a spoken conversation it doesn’t always translate well into typed text. Without the proper pauses, inflections and nuances and sometimes hand gestures the words do not flow quite the same. The above paragraph is a perfect example of this. Just to help clarify, Kris is talking about the signals being released through the nervous system and epidermis into the units of consciousness and the molecules that neighbor your physical body.]

NOW, the trick is that because of the neurological pulses within the brain, you function at a very specific ratio of frequency within a bandwidth of awareness. As such, there appears to be lag time between what you concentrate upon, and what is manifested.

Now there are well-established pathways already utilized by the whole of human species, as well as all of the other species on your planet, that utilize these well-established pathways to create the whole of the physical environment as it has been ongoing for millennia. Within that system, you create your own interpretation of that reality. So there are here then two different types – and we would even dare say THREE different types of realities, if one wishes to get technical about it.

There is the one you experience, your private reality. There is the one that you jointly co-create, utilizing established pathways with the whole of all of the other life forms on your planet, and then there is the reality itself, which is a far different thing than the one you singularly or collectively experience.

One is the canvas, the other are the blueprints – if you so desire, the paint by numbers – that you are free to do with as you wish. And the third IS the one that you do with as you wish. These are all nested within each other, and though we realize that many people would much prefer to only hold in their minds the idea that there is ONLY their sweet reality, it is far more complex than that.

And still, each of the three realities we have described is maintained by the self, but you have to ask yourself, which self is involved? And though we are aware that some people in particular might think that they are the self that maintains the third layer of reality, they might be disillusioning themselves ever so slightly. Because, whilst you are safely couched within your body of flesh and blood, you may develop awareness of the third layer of the self, but more specifically, you will tend to develop an awareness of the second layer of self, much more readily.

The notion is that, whilst you are safely couched in the sweetness of your physical experience, you will tend to interpret the other layers within the context of that first layer. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: And it is far too easy to consider that the perceiver of the first layer of reality – meaning the ego structure – would think of itself as also the creator of all three layers of reality. That is not necessarily the case. Does that make sense? (Yes) We are trying to be clear on this.

MARK: So far I think you are.

KRIS: So what is one to do with that kind of knowledge? Does one throw one’s arms in the air in despair and convince oneself to simply forgo all of these things and simply accept reality at face value, and continue playing the role of the victim? Or does one make a progressive, forward thinking leap of awareness, and decide to explore the very fabric, the foundation, and the design of reality as you know it.

It is a fine thing indeed to say, “Yes, I create my reality and I accept it,” excepting when something seems to go awry and then looking for the first available scapegoat. The notion being that having some even basic understanding of the dynamics involved, it is easier to go through those challenges that you present yourself with because, first of all, you cannot attack the scapegoat, you cannot vent rage and bring down the gods.

MARK: And further worsen, anger yourself and your moods and create more negative, or more… [Kris interrupts]

KRIS: And most unsavory situations! And at the same time, it is as unsavory to deny those feelings, but the feelings come with a healing balm because you will need them to acknowledge them, address them, and accept them in order to release your hold on that focus — to relinquish your attention and direct it elsewhere, into a pro-active solution-bound situation, and not one where the feeling of victim-hood is perpetuated. And it would also serve no purpose specifically to then attack self – yourself included — as an unlikely scapegoat.

For thousands of years, your species has been running around in the same hamster wheel. Is it now time to recognize that the process that you have engaged per se, does not work? It keeps recycling the same psychic and psychological toxins into the overall body of human consciousness. And instead, take a different approach, a radical or radically different perspective. One where there are no victims of events, conditions, circumstances, and that all challenges are brought by you to the surface of your awareness, specifically because you can recognize that you can change your reality.

So that is our challenge to the reader and the listener. What do you want to continue being?

MARK: Interesting, for instance, our society and our culture puts a big emphasis on keeping historical records but the ones that they emphasize the most are the bad ones, the wars, the natural disasters, the earthquakes, and this, that and the other thing, but they don’t keep and teach and encourage the peace and the good things that countries and neighbors and people have done for each other.

KRIS: And at the same time, in the same vein, there is an insistence of historical accuracy and facts, even when some facts and historical records are manipulated, changed, altered to suit the needs of the conquerors and the victors. History as you know it is a very different creature, but the history that your species creates is an attempt to give one version of reality above all others and to insist that the created one, the manufactured one, is the original. Much like your questioned religion at its foundation being little more than a heresy itself with adept plagiarists literally stealing the myths of other groups and cultures around them and from far away and weaving them into another kind of myth, insisting that theirs is the original and that all others are fakeries and lies to the point of seeking the extermination of any one who opposes the most modern political religious view along those specific lines and within that context.

Thus hoping thereby to prove that theirs is the only remaining religious body which itself is quite comical. This alone can give you clues that your reality is far more manufactured than you like to understand. And there are always unspoken rules that make a great effort to uphold the manufactured facts – the cooked book so to say – at all cost, even if it means the wholesale slaughter and genocide of entire cultures and races. And though for instance, the early settlers, the early European settlers of the North American continent took pride and pleasure in trying to eradicate, subdue and control the Native American population on the premise that they were all heathen. This was the excuse – the official excuse given. The real reason is that – ancient North American and South American native cultures, mythologies, histories, ancestries and bloodlines defied the established myths about the early Christian Church. Their storytellers, their priests, their shamans also revered great Beings that put into question the authenticity, or rather the claimed authenticity, of the Vatican and all of the teachings that have escaped that place. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: For instance, both ancient Mayans and Incas had their own version of Viracocha, basically an ancient white, bearded and robed man from the East, come to teach them and save them in a manner not unlike the apparent savior of the Christian faith, without the drama of the crucifixion and the resurrection.

This alternative mythology so enraged the Jesuits and the representatives of the Vatican, specifically when Mayan and Incans and other native groups also incorporated into their mythology the ancient being called Quetzalcoatl, the serpent god, which according to Christian traditions, is the representation of all that it considers evil, whilst Native American groups did not consider the serpent god evil, but indeed a teacher of alternative ways, which in some respects is not unlike the ancient serpent of biblical fame or infamy, encouraging the mythical progenitors of the human race to think and therefore act for themselves and not under the yoke of the authority of an egomaniacal deity that supposedly created them out of love, but apparently without sufficient love to accept their desire to journey on their own and smote them as a result. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: It is one of the major reasons for the kind of genocide that the representatives of the European loving god decided to try and eradicate the new continent brethren. So this gives another alternative and there are many such that exist, even in your reality. Now we suggest a break.

MARK: Okay.

(After a short pause, the session begins again.)

KRIS: Now, even though we described the apparent conflict between the Judeo-Christian and specifically the Christian worldview, and that of any other of it deemed heretical and a threat to its own supremacy, there is an underlying reality as well on this apparent genocide that occurred in many worlds, or countries rather, and this is no way condones the acts of slaughter and cruelty perpetuated in the name of a loving deity with total disregard for the adherence on principles. There was an agreed upon necessity to experiment with and experience a different perspective of reality.

[MARK’S NOTES: On this walk Serge and I had a destination in mind…the Home Depot and this particular store was on the other side of the ravine which contained a small creek. The creek is known as Taylor Creek. It is strictly a recreational park because it lies in a flood plane. On this particular walk, at this particular time, we arrived at the staircase on the opposite side of the valley that would take us up to the sub-division behind the Home Depot.

I take it that walking up a rather large staircase is much better left off to us mere mortals because Kris bowed out until just after we reached the top.]

(Session resumes)

KRIS: As we have suggested earlier, even though the acts, the genocide, the cruelty and the wholesale murder of entire peoples cannot be condoned, there is an underlying exploration with a new worldview, an emergent worldview. And the implications themselves were not yet fully understood nor fleshed out. The experiment was undertaken in order to specifically examine how a reality is created utilizing a very narrow bandwidth of perception that deals with an enormous amount of contradictory material – material that contradicts itself.

A manufactured religion and religious system, one that emphasizes the concept of original sin, one that emphasizes that the very fact that you are a living being is in itself sinful, flawed, tainted or soiled and that there can be only one way to redeem a tainted soul, and that the atonement must be done as described and must go through those who have set themselves up in a position of holy representation knowing full well that there is no supreme being as described in the manufactured mythologies. In effect, becoming the biggest lie ever sold on a global scale which puts your multi-nationals to shame.

MARK: (chuckling)

KRIS: Overall, the experiment was undertaken specifically to examine and experience all of the implications contained within that idea atmosphere, while still maintaining clues and traces and parts of other idea atmospheres, but focusing largely upon the main Judeo-Christian worldview. Now, individuals are realizing that the experiment has not only gone too far, but dangerously so, at the risk now of destroying the very experimenters. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, it does.

KRIS: At the risk of even destroying those who maintain the experiment! Over the last two centuries, and more specifically, over the last fifty years, the world has noticed a steady decline of the major worldview and the sometimes increase in adjacent worldviews or offshoots of the Judeo-Christian worldview, meaning all of the other factions of Christianity, including Mohammedanism or Islam. These all still function on the principle that the individual is mostly damned above all things and it has caused as such, an almost irreparable division between self and so-called deity, or between self and Source; as if Source, above all else may desire the destruction of the individual, unless that individual atones. And this is a manufactured myth. There is nothing to atone for, since self created and allowed the experiment to begin with. It is as if Self would have to atone for being itself to itself.

The traces of other idea atmospheres and worldviews as we suggested still are found in your reality and though for instance, the ancient Christians tried to eradicate whomever they considered heretical, such as the Gnostics, and would still gladly do so, were the world not so against such practices, excepting perhaps in perceived wars. But now recessive psychological practices have started to surface over the last one hundred years and more so again over the last fifty years, as one started to decline ever so slightly, another started to rise, ever so slightly. So there is a pattern here as well and this is a process which is experimented with millennia after millennia and eon after eon in the same manner we described the stages of a culture last night. (D&DG)

MARK: Mmhmm. Which – I realized, even as you said them, those words mirrored Netjers’ words to me the first time we met.

KRIS: Now there is always repercussions of backlashes as in many cases in the United States with the advent of right wing Christian fundamentalist groups and rapturists who themselves would gladly destroy the world to further the advent of the “end times” as they like to call it, because they are convinced that of all peoples, they are the chosen, and those who consider themselves the chosen are often the most dangerous of all because they adhere to fanaticism and they most want no one to challenge their views.

Now the experiment with the one official line of consciousness is indeed running its course and will eventually recede into the background, giving rise to another. Now some people like to believe that after this, everything will be a golden era, everyone will live in peace, the tigers will feed with fawns, murderers will give up their ways and everyone will follow the rules of the deity. That is only the result of poisonous information. There will be some degrees of conflicts, but you will find new and more efficient ways to deal with it. You will find new ways to deal with illnesses. It is often the assumption that illness will disappear from the face of the earth. But that will not be the case. Now we will break.

[MARK’S NOTES: Serge and I arrived at our destination so the discussion ends here.]

Dance of Shiva

July 11, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa’Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on July 11, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: In Toronto, Serge (Joseph) and Mark (Philip)

In Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Drew (Onoru), Ester (Benata), Jene (Mildor), and Frieda (Han)

In Oregon: Norm (Ambrose) and Reta (Leihuu)

(Session begins at 8:07 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your kind consideration.

PAUL: Hi Kris.

NORM: Hi Kris – Bon journo.

KRIS: Now you may have been Italian at one time, but you are no longer! (Group laughter)

(Pause)

There was a question a short while ago about idea atmospheres. Is this correct?

(Yes) Are there any specific questions regarding the topic of idea atmospheres?

NORM: Yes, I have a question in regard to thought atmospheres. I would like to — the posture of the atmosphere in regard to highly focused meditators — what is different about their thought atmosphere than for example, the typical human thought atmosphere?

KRIS: (To Mark) Did you hear?

MARK: Not entirely no.

KRIS: Ask to repeat.

MARK: Can you repeat that Norm? It’s tough to hear.

NORM: OK, the Qigong, or the yoga meditators – they must have a thought atmosphere that is very different than the typical thought atmosphere of an ordinary human. Is that correct, and if so, how?

KRIS: They do not necessarily have, or entertain, different idea atmospheres. You do all access the grid of perception, and through this you filter specific concepts into various belief systems and belief systems themselves are re-interpreted according to and manifested in accordance with the specific cultural frames or expressions. Qigong masters, for instance, hold onto group beliefs, cultural assertions and conditions that are for all intents and purposes, and for all appearances, different from those entertained by the average North American, western individual, but that is only in appearance.

The difference is that the average North American western mindset focuses upon other areas of convictions, another aspect of the grid of perception. Whilst those who practice Qigong focus upon yet other expressions of a very similar type of belief systems still within the context of the families of belief systems and the grid of perception, and the families of consciousness as the basic foundational blueprint with which to create reality. They are simply expressing and exploring different versions of a group and set of convictions. Therein lies the difference. The mechanisms are the same. The mechanisms used to create the perceived realities are the same.

The experiences are different because the focus is different, but both groups and many others as variances are also focusing on different aspects within that same overall context. And in order to not focus upon one set, it has to be acknowledged to one degree or another, but simply chosen to not be part of the experience that is desired in physical expression. Does that make some sense?

NORM: Yes, for example, the ability to intentionally – or to have a successful intention for a desired end of thought consciousness – there must be a level at which the intention becomes a reality sooner — or there must be a change in the capability of an individual who concentrates on the intended outcome. Do you follow what I’m saying?

KRIS: We do, however it is not necessarily ability, per se, since all individuals have the same potential. But the direction of the focus is simply chosen differently. Within the overall belief systems there are a great many variables that can be played with, per se. So it is not necessarily an ability to hold intent, or to direct it, as much as [it is] the desires of the individual to experience a unique expression of belief systems.

You can yourself be trained in that worldview, but in order to accommodate it, you would have, to one degree or another, to lessen, diminish, your focus upon the conventional ideas that you may hold about your western way of thinking.

But to be able to straddle both worldviews, you would have to maintain basically a third accommodating, or bridging worldview that can make sense of BOTH simultaneously. Very much in the same way that, while you sleep, you are able to maintain awareness of your sleeping form as well as a part or aspect of yourself that participates in the dream scenarios. That slightly removed perception can allow you to recognize that you are participating in a dream environment whilst your form is sleeping soundly on its pillow.

It would be as simple, but as complicated as that. And do keep in mind that the Qigong worldview is merely that, ANOTHER view of reality. There are many others that can be entertained, some of which are not entertained by anyone on your world presently, but may be addressed in a potential future, whilst many were addressed in your so-called past. And there are still traits that link various worldviews together that can give you clues and hints of many worldviews that have been laid aside and that may be explored at other times. Does that make sense to you?

NORM: It appears to me that the belief system is the thing that limits your ability to concentrate and limits your worldview — well, it produces your worldview — but it holds everything back. And I guess I’m trying to get a hold of reality here; examples perhaps of a worldview that is totally different. You were earlier discussing the typical North American individual – our worldview is of course, different than Middle Eastern worldview, significantly so,-but it appears that you’re talking about a future worldview that is perhaps a step above both of us – the Middle Eastern and North American – is that true?

[MARK’S NOTES: The above two paragraphs are a catalyst to what is about to come later on in this session. Make a note of the underlined words.]

KRIS: The misconception exists on several layers. Firstly, beliefs, whether foundational belief systems or your own personal belief systems, or the belief systems adhered to by an entire culture do not necessarily hold anyone back. That would then make you the victim of a belief! And such ideas do not necessarily exist. You are neither a victim of your own thoughts or beliefs than a fish is a victim of the waters it inhabits. Do you follow?

NORM: It appears that my thought atmosphere is controlled within a sphere that’s bounded by my belief system. Is that not true?

KRIS: Not necessarily. The individual chooses the culture, the civilization, the historical period within which he or she will express their being. Very specifically, experiences within each such stage – cultural, historical, bloodline or any other system within which the individual accepts before birth are all specifically chosen because there are experiences that individual wishes within those contexts. But no specific belief structure limits nor prevents the individual to expand his or her awareness into a recognition of other belief systems. That is again, something that must be looked at within the context of the chosen experiences by the individual himself or herself.

MARK: So, to use an analogy here, if I were to walk into a restaurant and sit down at a table and look at the menu, I pick what I’m going to eat for dinner that night. I’m not restricted. I chose one. It doesn’t mean that I am restricted from all the others [items on the menu]. It means I CHOSE that one for THAT evening.

KRIS: Nor are you restricted, nor obliged to order from that menu or eat in that restaurant. Do you follow?

MARK: I do. Do you understand that, Norm?

NORM: Well yes, except that I don’t know if I know all the restaurants I can go to. (Laughter) In other words, I’d love to be able to have an awareness restaurant where I can go in and order perceptions and awarenesses that are exotic. I’m trying to figure out how to get there.

MARK: So right now you’re sitting down at a table, enjoying this expression and you’re looking over at the Qigong masters at what they’re eating and you’re thinking, “Hmmm, that would be nice to enjoy sometime, too.”

NORM: Yeah, that’s right, so we order that because I’m not limited by my belief system or my belief system will inherently — it can be accepted and modified so that — is that what is really required? I have to modify my belief system so that I can have the perceptions and awarenesses that I would desire… (Pause) That’s the question. (Laughs) Fully confused, you know?

KRIS: What is the next step?

(Silence)

MARK: “What is the next step”? (Pause) Still there?

NORM: I’m still here, yes. Did you ask me a question?

MARK: [Kris asked] What is the next step?

NORM: Well, yeah, OK, what IS the next step…in regard to accomplishing awarenesses that I would like my intention to be? (Short pause) My next step is to see my way through to allow myself meditative capabilities that — where I can experience perception and awarenesses such as remote viewing, etc. There’s many of them, including levitation by the way, which would be kind of unique…which is supposedly what they can do and I’m trying to figure out how they get to that point of having the ability to do that – is what my problem is – and I would love to know how to even begin doing that.

PAUL: I have some advice — Janaki here — if you want to learn to play the piano, you don’t just sit in front of a piano and expect in a week to play a Beethoven concerto, you get a teacher and you start to practice. In a meditative capacity – get a teacher, and start to practice, and give it some time. There’s no quick fix way of instant enlightenment or instant meditative capacity that we’re aware of, you have to sit down and work within a community and – you know – success and failure, verification, falsification – that what you’re learning to do and to discern is in line with those meditative capacities, using the Qigong discipline as an example: if you want to learn that – find a master, and study with them.

NORM: Well, OK, I agree. What I’m trying to do is to have an overview of what they actually do and what is different that they do than the normal mind. For example, I’m following the “Seven Masters” by Shelby right now, and I find it very comforting to do some of the exercises in them, but that’s an emotional reaction, I believe. For example, my ability to enjoy noticing my breath, my breathing and to concentrate on two things at once in regard to my body and the acceptance of my life and my body and these things are very comforting; however, it is an emotional thing that you actually come to. I guess that’s my question. I’m totally open.

JENE: Norm.

NORM: Yes.

JENE: This is Jene. Can you astral project?

NORM: Can I astral project? In regard to leaving my body, you mean? I did at one time, yes.

JENE: Do you remember the way that felt and what you thought at the time?

NORM: Yes, but I can’t seem to duplicate it. I’ve got to have –

JENE: You have to stop saying “I can’t”.

NORM: Well, that’s right. I’m not able to — at the present time–

JENE: That’s what you’re saying, Norm, dammit! (Laughter) OK, try to use the experience in memory of the very first time you allowed yourself to astral project or step outside of your physical body. Connect with what you were thinking, what you were feeling, in TOTALITY, because in that microsecond, you allowed yourself the perfection of what you’re asking for in this moment.

NORM: Well, Jene, if I could, I’d sure love to be able to do that!

JENE: Well, that’s your homework for the week! (Laughter)

NORM: Jene, can you do it at will?

JENE: Yes.

NORM: Wow, that’s very good. I will work on it.

JENE: Yeah, it’s just practice, Norm.

NORM: Well, let’s get back to the whole subject –

KRIS: In terms of leaving your physical body, most of you do not realize that you do leave far more often than you give yourselves credit for in many ways. And though you make a distinction between the classic example of projection of consciousness, you sometimes miss or forget to recognize, other experiences of projection of consciousness that you engage far more often. For example, each time you leave your home or dwelling, you engage a very specific kind of projection of consciousness, but you do not recognize it, because it is not necessarily “classic,” but it exists and you practice this far more often than any other kind of projection of consciousness. Does that make some sense to you so far?

NORM: Yes.

KRIS: If you — and this is not directed specifically at you, but ALL of you — if you want to recognize that you do this, you would be prompted to recognize those instances where you engage the more classic version of the experience of projection of consciousness because you would have a very ordinary foundation for it. Do you still follow?

(Yes)

KRIS: And we base this on several factors. One is that your entire physical reality and everything, every form within it, from the microscopic to the gigantic, is allegorical, symbolic. And more than anything else, your home represents your psyches, that atmosphere where you dwell and when you symbolically leave that dwelling, you are still traveling, in a manner of speaking, projecting your consciousness into another area. And if you paid attention to the fluctuations in energy when you engage those very specific thought processes with the aim of leaving your dwelling, to arrive at a specific destination, you will eventually recognize that you are engaging a very precise form of projection of consciousness. You are taking a set of symbols with you.

And again that is merely an expression, because in actuality, you do not leave anywhere, but that instead, the whole of consciousness is transformed to accommodate your new focus. So you are basically projecting consciousness into another symbol, another allegorical presentation or representation of your ideas at that moment. You engage consciousness in a very profound manner and as a result you often believe that you need extra-ordinary experiences to signify something special to you.

But every day, every moment, every breath you take IS a unique configuration of consciousness unlike any other before or after, because there is no before or after in that specific sense. But all of consciousness has been transformed, literally reconstructed to accommodate your desire for action from point A to point B. So the whole of reality is reconfigured simply out of your dear most desire to ACT. So that is another way to understand and experience projection of consciousness. Does that make some sense to you?

NORM: Evidently desire and intention – I suppose that can mean…it really is the same thing…

KRIS: The same that you use to create the life that you have now and your own personality. That is how you came into the world and you follow the processes involving specific sets of belief systems to peer into the world through the auspices of the sperm and ovum of your parents and to go through the period of gestation and birth and engage processes of infancy, adolescence, adulthood and so on.

These are only fleeting appearances for you were – in a specific sense – never born and you will thus never die, because you always ARE. And that is indeed a PROFOUND conundrum, that you can simultaneously always BE and yet you are born and you die, and you are simultaneously neither. Does that scramble a few brain cells? (Silence) We would have to take that in the affirmative, that so many brain cells have been scrambled, no one can reply! Does that make sense to any of you?

(Laughter and affirmations)

You can engage belief systems that you have the ability to project your consciousness in the classic sense, or in any other sense. But you must in some way, understand that the belief in the thing is that makes it happen. That is why you have physical expression, that you have a physical image, because it involves those basic belief structures. In other types of realities, you may not need those kinds of belief systems for unique experiences. The one thing you will always be is yourself; and who you are now is not necessarily who you truly are. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:48

KRIS: We suggest a very small break, so small that consciousness may not even know it had a break. (Group laughter)

(Break begins at 8:48 PM.)

Some discussion ensued about audio problems on Norm and Reta’s end and how to get better volume and connections. Mark asked if Norm was able to hear Kris’ words on the psychological atmosphere. Norm, in fact lost a lot of that audio and Mark summed some of it up for him.

Paul interjected that many of the abilities that Norm is trying to develop are just a few of many avenues that can be explored through desire and intention. Paul then shared some of his own Integral Conscious Creation work and his and Jo’s recent visit to the Esalen Institute, where they incorporate an integration of body, mind and spirit through the joint efforts of current psychological, scientific, medical, and spiritual methodologies, called Integral Transformative Practice (ITP).

Paul then shared some of the experiences and insights gained from his and Jo’s workshop experience at Esalen and his feelings that the ITP is the best system for people who work “regular” jobs and/or have busy lifestyles to “open the door and take [personal development] to the next level.” He explained that he practices “Witnessing” meditation every day, a Zen meditation technique in which the practitioner “notices the noticer,” or “the thinker of the thought, becoming aware of that clearing within yourself in which all experience arises, and then resting in that clearing.” One side effect of this practice has been an increase of lucid dreaming for Paul.

PAUL: [Witnessing meditation] brings you into the Now – no past or future when you’re witnessing – you start to notice the part of you that’s doing that. But you start to notice that part as an object, and not the subject any longer. I think that’s just developing the remembrance – back to our true nature, right? Kris [and the others], they all hint at this, that we’re not just this physical body, or the ego or identity, you know. That’s just a construction that’s nested within our larger Self right now; it’s not what will remain. It’s temporary, that will fade in time.

But there’s a deeper awareness, right now in our awareness, that is eternal; and the witnessing practice makes you more aware of that, and in that clearing it creates openings for illumination, inspiration, invention, new ways to do the experiment, a ground-breaking experiment like you (Norm) are trying to design or think about. Or with that healing machine that Kris and you guys have talked about, of how to take that to the next level, and get it out there in this economy that really wants to stifle and kill it.

So I’m just experimenting. I’m a big proponent of it, as you can tell, I’m passionate about it, and it’s really the goal of our Integral Conscious Creation work to nurture people to develop their own practice – however you define it for yourself. You just give a map and a template and the rest is up to the person. Do they want to learn a Beethoven concerto, do they want to learn a Bach invention, do they want to play a Beatle’s song, it’s up to them. You get what you concentrate on — that central axiom just keeps circling around my thoughts — the harder you concentrate on something, the further you’ll go in that one area; and the integral thing is a set of checks and balances so you don’t get too obsessed in one area. And that a group of people, as it gets institutionalized, doesn’t get upset in a certain area, that denies the other quadrants — objective/subjective, individual/collective, and all that sort of thing.

NORM: I love to always get back to the very fundamentals of what makes things work. It’s difficult to do that with consciousness.

PAUL: Well, consciousness by itself simply IS. It’s not measurable; science will never prove it empirically, deductively, inductively, that’s not –

NORM: It’s very elusive – even to think about it.

PAUL: But, developing consciousness can concoct experiments that, like the quantum guys did in the 20th century, that really shifts the paradigm, and they’re still trying to come up with experiments and ways of testing out the quantum potential of David Bohm – how do you test that empirically? – And I think out of an ITP, we can come up with a potential way to test some of that stuff.

NORM: William Tiller has come up with very astounding revelations that he has proven that instruments, oscillations – thermo-dynamic potential oscillations – are very astounding…absolutely astounding.

PAUL: You know, what maps onto this — I’ve been re-writing my “Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment” essay of Seth’s book of that title, and going back to the first five chapters of that material — Seth uses the CU metaphor, and the EE metaphor, and ontologically, I’m able to condense it into simple patterns that map the Integral Conscious Creation – Ken Wilber’s stuff – and CU’s and EE’s and quantum fields are all nested together as you know; they are just different aspects of the same phenomena: there’s wave aspects and there’s particle aspects to it. That’s the kind of conceptualization that physicists need to take [and] the only way they’re going to develop that is to develop their consciousness to start incorporating paranormal states.

I happened across a book by a guy named Mark Woodhouse, called “Paradigm Wars,” it’s a 600 page book of different paradigms that are out there right now, and it’s really green/yellow post-modernism paradigms, and the different ones and where the action is in spirituality, physics, education, all that stuff.

So I’m just saying the Integral approach, and approaching this from a lot of different directions you get fuzzy and it differentiates, and then suddenly you get this moment where the patterns coalesce and you have a map where it explains it in simple terms. That’s what we’re trying to discern, what Don Beck called the “Basic Code,” the deep structures within the spiral, – itself a green and yellow – and map those as a post-modern worldview and take it from there. That we can teach to people and ourselves. And it’s happening big time in a whole lot of different ways.

(Kris returns and break ends at 9:09 PM)

KRIS: Your discussions were of such interest, we dared not broach them.

PAUL: (laughs)

KRIS: And indeed, if you were to examine each specific era of human and civilizational development, you’ll notice that each era has its own pre-contemporary and post-modern aspects, correct?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: And if you were to follow the developments of these stages, that in each era you would find a great deal of commonality, because you keep repeating the stages. And this is not meant in a negative manner, but in the one that you can recognize that the stages themselves have very little to do with your notions of modern amenities for instance, though in some respects you may look at the past and call it pre-modern, when that should only apply to your era. In actuality the stages are entirely psychological. And the resonances with all of the eras and their stages are not as unique as you think; but these three stages are shared, and if you can study the processes themselves that lead from “pre” to “contemporary” to “post”, you would understand far more about your own individual growth, because the stages are integral to your well-being. Without them your civilizations would not flourish, neither in the past, in the present, nor in the future, because they need – those stages are needed – for the proper unfolding of the intent and the worldviews of the individuals participating in that era’s specific stages.

So when you take your birth, when you desire to enter physical reality, whether through the standard practices – or any other, which is also possible – you do so with the understanding that your appearance in a specific era, with each of its stages, is important for the experiences which you wish to gather, you wish to harvest.

So you basically set up an entire era, as a collective, based upon the principles of countless other eras that have proven to be functional models. But you always find creative means to assign some particular significances to your era, as it should be. And you utilize the entire concept, the entire ball of wax, to lay a foundation through which your experiences gather the momentum you have come here to express. And through that process, through the creation of an entire culture and civilization and reality through those processes, you eventually come to the understanding of a very specific science.

That is the science of consciousness, and all of the elements that compose your unique contemporary civilization is truly no different than any other civilization before, after, or in the same Now, in the terms of what you utilize for tools, and all of the by-products of those civilizations themselves as the means through which you harvest materials. Whether in medieval times they used alchemy, or in modern times they use chemistry. If you look beyond the labels, you will find that the labels themselves are not what you are here to experience, but rather the outcome. Whether you utilize contemporary scientific principles or you utilize ancient principles.

DREW: I have a question.

KRIS: In a moment. You always come here. You create the means through which you gather experience. You do not gather experience merely from the singular focus of your private experience – though that is your primary base – but you do so also through the auspices of all of the expressions and the forms in your contemporary world. And your contemporary world has far more complex structures than other eras – though their eras had complex structures as well – yours is now uniquely complex, because your awareness is able to hold so much more focus.

If you compare to some of what you call “olden days,” where often members of your species pine for the “good old days, when life was simple” — and in a manner of speaking, it was – you had few things to focus upon: your family, your job, your farm or business, some world affairs, but to a limited degree — Now, in this contemporary era, you have an awareness that is almost global in extent. You are aware, you become aware, of events clearly on the other side of the planet within moments. You are concerned with political situations, family situations, to a much greater extent than you ever were in terms of your ancestors’ capabilities.

You now have the internet, which is symbolic for your extended awareness of global affairs, and so on and so forth, your television, your radio, and so much more. The entire structure of world affairs is symbolic of your abilities to hold that much of a larger focus of attention much more so than your great-grandparents in those terms. So indeed, a certain level of awareness has expanded for your species. You create the entire stage for a highly specific, and well-thought out reason. Now somebody had a question.

DREW: Yes. Paul can help me with this question, I think. This is Drew. Paul and I were discussing the co-existence of people in various stages of development, and you used names for those stages, Paul…

PAUL: I was using pre-modern, modern and post-modern.

DREW: My question is, is this a unique time in history that this divergent group of developmentally diverse people are alive together? I think that was a point that people have made in the past and I want to know if you would say [if] that’s true.

KRIS: If you consider that human evolution exists upon a linear line of development, indeed it is; because you are laying down a foundation for an expanded neurological circuitry, so to speak. In other words, you are utilizing a larger portion of the human brain than, say, your ancestors were in linear terms. Do you follow then?

DREW: Yes.

KRIS: And the foundation that you are laying will give future contemporary cultures the recognition that they can keep on expanding that brain circuitry, and it will be reflected in other creations within reality that might only appear as the faintest dreams in your contemporary world; sometimes even as little more than fantasy and science fiction in your contemporary world. You are still playing with concepts that will be developed in other worlds. Does that make sense?

DREW: Would that be a post-Shift line of development? Or level of development?

KRIS: That is ONE of the lines of development. There are others and we believe that the misconception is to think that at midnight, the year 2074, everything will suddenly shift and your world will be unrecognizable and perhaps even utopian. That is not necessarily the case.

MARK: Is it safe to say that any era that is in a post-state is also in a pre-state to a new era?

KRIS: It always is. And each era, in its own way, organizes its own shift. In that manner, we would even dare say that though this shift is unique, and indeed it is, it is also NOT unique. It is a variation on a greater process altogether.

DREW: Could the eras be described as agricultural, industrial, informational, and then spiritual?

KRIS: We believe that would also only be superficial labels.

JO: This is Rosalie. So labels aside, we’re still born into every era – people are born into pre-modern – we don’t evolve into a new set of things where people are born into a post-modern –

KRIS: Indeed, because many of the modern teenagers think you are all antiques! (Group laughter)

JO: So those stages are consistent then.

KRIS: Indeed, it is a part of the process of the physical reality.

PAUL: Kris, one follow-up question there: I’m curious how you define this era and I know you’ve spoken of the Vedic culture and three eras of the Vedic culture which we’re in the third era of that. Is that how you define the present era for us?

KRIS: You are indeed in an extended third stage of the Vedic culture, its seeds sown long ago in historical terms, but all eras in their own fashion spiral together. They work together. They each represent yet other facets of reality in a continual dance that is called the Dance of Shiva, in ancient terms. It is a perpetual cycle, and in historical terms these cycles extend far beyond your scientists’ conception of time and the ages of the Earth.

PAUL: I have a better understanding of those cycles because the more I study it the more I realize there’s a physical framework 1 way of looking at it, and I’m interested in that, but I also realize a quadrant 1 way of looking at it. I also realize there is a quadrant 2 and a quadrant 3 way of looking at it which are outside of time and obviously much, much older. But just having said that, coming back to the physical expression of this Vedic civilization, you’ve talked of time periods of about 500-600 million years. Is that accurate, Kris, in physical terms with this Vedic civilization?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: And so another question then – it’s clear from the information you’ve delivered to date that there have been what we, only in physical terms and linear terms – which are not absolute, but they’re real and important – there have been major regressions, and I’m just curious, because you’ve talked about the Vimana technology approximately 50,000 years ago and in some migration to Australia, in something I read in the Kris Chronicles, and I just wondered if you would comment then, just at the physical level, there have been – this technology had to be – the result of a very highly developed culture, that only in physical terms went through a major regression and that knowledge was lost and we went back then, to perhaps a much more “primitive” state of being that then was a transition to this third era, Is that…

KRIS: Indeed, you were entirely into survival mode as a species, thus necessitating the abandoning of knowledge. Do you understand?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Now you are re-grouping, re-awakening to larger neurological processes, larger awarenesses in terms of bandwidth of perception. And you will once again re-invent and create new devices, sciences, mechanisms. There will come another time when, again, calamities and catastrophes may indeed occasion the need to once again re-create the scenarios.

PAUL: That’s much clearer to me now, and it was rather startling, because the history that we’re taught in the consensus reality is that 20,000 ago, 100,000 years ago, it was pretty much foraging, tribal peoples, and that was just a couple of steps above our “ape” ancestors, and what you’re pointing out is – only in physical terms though – that this happened hundreds of millions of years ago – in again only physical terms – there was a point where the biological system, cellular life, sexual reproduction, plants, fish, birds, preceded the emergence of focuses of Essence. And this is from Seth’s story in “Dreams, Evolution, and Value Fulfillment,” but this happened much, much longer ago in our physical history. Is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed, in historical terms. Now, in historical terms itself, there have been many voices that have inspired the re-awakening of knowledge, of expansions of awareness, and of dreams for your species. These voices always exist for two reasons. They exist because they are always in need somewhere in time and space, but they also exist because they echo the inner, innate wisdom of all species, not only the human species, but other representations of consciousness: animal species, plant species, and so on and so forth.

You think that the voices are of dead guys – or girls (laughter), to be politically correct – but these voices are eternal. These voices are ancient. And if you give us a moment, perhaps one such voice may indeed make itself heard. (Kris’ cadence slows down here) As we work with Joseph to further stretch the boundaries of his awareness (long pause).

(Serge’s trance is deepened and a new voice comes through, halting and somewhat deeper and more guttural in tone)

[MARK’S NOTES: It was very apparent that this new energy was having difficulty speaking although, unlike a newborn that takes months to learn, this ancient personality only took minutes. The words and sentences were basic and were slow in coming and at times, we could detect Kris’ accent which we all attributed to Kris assisting the process.]

EEJA: Your patience is appreciated. (Long Pause) We have not used vocal cords…in a long time. (Long Pause) You can hear? [Glancing in the direction of the phone.]

MARK: Can you guys hear?

(Yes)

PAUL: A rapt audience!

MARK: How long has it been in our terms?

EEJA: Longer than you have forgotten. (Long Pause) It has been told to us that …you want….to…have different view of the world.

MARK: Indeed.

EEJA: But….do you know what that means? Do you know what…using time and space as a vehicle……you want a different view of the world. (Long Pause) Are you even ready to know what that means?

(Pause from us.)

MARK: We would like to try. [Not wanting to sound arrogant.]

PAUL: Some of us are.

EEJA: You look at your planet, your Earth, your moon, your sun….and you know they do not change…..but…are they really what they appear?

MARK: No they aren’t. They’re extensions of ourselves, they ARE our Selves.

EEJA: You think that they are always that way – SPEROID! A truly…radical…change in how you view the world…may alter that….Your solar systems are not always the same….Think…use your…imagination to glimpse…how it could be if they were not…in that order, or with those shapes….or even…where they are….Difficult, is it not?

MARK: Yes it is. I have glimpses, but obviously I can’t possibly…yet, I can see or imagine different probabilities and possibilities — I can’t picture them all, of course, not even a fraction of them. But it is fun to do.

EEJA: You think…solar systems…must always be the way yours is, but what if…your planet was…cubic? What if the geometry…the entire system was… also based on the cube?

MARK: Everything would be different.

EEJA: Indeed! As would your appearance!

MARK: Mmhm. Our challenges, our experiences, our creations…

EEJA: Now…instead of…planets…so nicely spaced…in their present order…think of them all as…crystalline growth (pause). Again…everything is different.

MARK: All the dynamics change. Everything that we know changes! Everything that we understand changes!

EEJA: If you want…a different view…of the world, even your thoughts…must…be different.

MARK: The processes must be different.

EEJA: We may…come back later….We leave…for now…so you can continue.

(Short pause and Kris comes back)

KRIS: Now we trust that you have been able to make some sense of our acquaintance.

MARK: Yes — who was that?

KRIS: (slyly) You after all did wish to investigate the possibility of different worldviews, did you not?

(Laughter)

This energy is an acquaintance from a very different system of reality — what you would call the far-flung corners of the third quadrant. (Pause)

DREW: Is there a name for that personality?

MARK: He’s digging for that.

KRIS: Simply pronounced “Eeja”. Double ‘E’, J, A.

MARK: Different cluster?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Do we know of this cluster?

KRIS: (with amusement) Not yet! The point of this small visit is also to demonstrate that consciousness is far more flexible – each of your consciousnesses – far more flexible than you ever dare assume. Do not worry overly that you are limited by beliefs, for you are not. Your beliefs actually give you substance, psychological substance, out of which you manufacture the matter that you know as physical reality. This small visit was also to introduce the possibility that there are indeed very different worldviews that are in themselves nested within your present collective worldview. Your worldview pre-supposes all other worldviews, and vice versa.

As Eeja explained, it has been indeed a very long time in your terms, when human vocal cords were utilized. That is why it took some time to speak. A different bandwidth of neurological processes was also necessary and the speed, shall we say, quite different than what we utilize with and through Joseph. This energy is neither male nor female. The concept even, in your terms, is quite foreign. And when Eeja was speaking about cubic or even crystalline-shaped solar systems and planets and so on (pause), Eeja does so because it is the kind of consciousness that DID, DOES, and IS those very kinds of forms. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

Are there any questions?

PAUL: Just one follow-up from Janaki here –

KRIS: (Humorously) Only one? (Group laughter) You must go do more homework!

PAUL: Oh, you cruel taskmaster! Eeja is further inward than clusters? Or is there a cluster affiliation with that energy?

KRIS: There is a cluster affiliation and even though you are all eternal and immortal consciousness, there are some consciousnesses that are EXTREMELY ancient, in those terms. This is one of them. much more so than ourselves as well.

MARK: Do you and Eeja share the Netjer at core?

KRIS: (Pause, obviously searching for that information.) Eeja is…different.

PAUL: Do we already have the cluster name that Eeja is affiliated with?

KRIS: Not at this time.

PAUL: Would you care to give it to us?

KRIS: Not at this time. (Group laughter) We must have our fun, too! (More laughter) Now –

PAUL: Just one last question. My mother is here this evening and she would love to get an Essence name and a six-pack from you, if you are so choosing.

KRIS: We will do so in a moment, if that is acceptable.

FRIEDA: Yes, of course.

KRIS: Now, one main reason we introduced Eeja is that you were earlier musing about different worldviews, or even changing your own worldviews. Your worldview, as a collective, maintains all the systems in place, belief systems, agreed [upon] perception, and all of the structures that makes the world as you know it, what it is. That idea atmosphere is VAST. Within that idea atmosphere, you also entertain your own specific notions of how planets should be, their satellites and the planet’s satellites to a core sun.

In your solar system there is one sun, in others there are more. There are bigger and smaller planets. There are planets that actually are surrounded by larger satellites, and so many variations on a theme. But there are still basic collective assumptions about how these things should be in their form and in their present position, and Eeja tried to convey to you that there are other worldviews, thus other realities and dimensions altogether, where things are radically different — so much so that you might not be able to even imagine them, so accustomed are you to your way of thinking, to your perception.

As Eeja noted, imagine a cubic planet – in your mind’s eye the waters, the rivers and the oceans would fall off, but they need not. Furthermore, Eeja suggested a solar system in the shape of a crystalline structure. If you combine the two and imagine a fluorite crystal structure, you would have a radically different proposal for an alternate worldview. In that sense of the word, radically divergent from anything you have known, or even thought you knew. And the physics involved in such systems of reality would again be radically different, because the neurological structures of the inhabitants of those systems would be in line with the structures inherent within that system. It does not mean that you would find blockheads. (Group laughter)

MARK: But we wouldn’t necessarily find beings that look like us, either.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK; Something I realized during that is that here we are discussing different worldviews – from my perception that the Qigong masters have a very drastically different worldview than I do, and yet they are SO similar, when you take out the whole concept of our planet, and our world…

KRIS: And that is the major reason why this visit was invited.

MARK: Mmhmm. And we’re grateful for that.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you all?

(Yes, sure)

JENE: Eeja and Yoda must have a great time playing together. (Laughter)

PAUL: That was Jene!

JENE: “Mildew”, thank you very much! (Laughter) (Jene’s Essence name is “Mildor”)

PAUL: I think some of her brain cells were scrambled.

JENE: Since the beginning of time!

KRIS: Now, Janaki, your mother is still present?

FRIEDA: Yes, I am.

KRIS: Indeed. (Long pause) Essence name is Han. H-A-N. Belonging to…primary…Tumold, Zuli and Sumafi. Aligning with Gramada, Ilda…and there is a lovely hint of Sumari in there. (Laughter) And you’ll occasionally pull out that wild card.

JO: This is Rosalie. I’m wondering if Mary Todd Lincoln is a focus of the Essence of my friend Ken.

MARK: (Astonished laughter) We were talking about –!

[MARK’S NOTES: Even Kris’ face showed surprise.]

KRIS: (interrupting) There is indeed a very interesting coincidence. Repeat your question carefully.

JO: I would like to know if you can tell me Mary Todd Lincoln is a focus of the Essence of my friend Ken.

KRIS: We have a different proposal. Mary Todd Lincoln is an expression of Han.

MARK: Oh!

KRIS: However, your friend had a very different role. Mary Todd Lincoln was an avid spiritualist, so much so that she was incarcerated in an asylum. Do you understand?

JO: Yes.

KRIS: Your friend was one of what Mary Todd Lincoln would have considered her spirit guides.

JO: Interesting.

KRIS: Very close association indeed. Does that make sense to you?

JO: So he — his Essence has an aspect that was a spirit guide.

PAUL: Physical.

JO: He was physical at the time?

KRIS: No.

JO: And another question: I believe that many of us – including this person was – are Knights Templar. Is that correct?

KRIS: That is, indeed.

JO: And some of us, because there was a long continuation of their history, that we are associates of each other as well. Is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed. In many so-called lifetimes, you enjoy the life of the pillager; rambunctious, under no one’s authority. Do you understand?

JO: Seeking out information wherever we find it.

KRIS: And enjoying life in larger than life terms. Then occasionally you create lifetimes such as this to bring a certain sense of balance and inquiry into reality until your next bout of fun and mayhem. (Group laughter)

JO: Well, I shall be investigating. Thank you.

KRIS: Now do you understand our reference to Mary Todd Lincoln and your friend?

PAUL: No.

JO: (Laughs) It sounds like he has a non-physical aspect that served as – or within communication with Mary Todd Lincoln.

KRIS: Indeed! Correct. We wished to make certain that you understood.

JO: Yes. Thank you.

MARK: And did you understand which Essence did, or was the Essence of the focus of Mary Todd Lincoln?

PAUL AND JO: (Together) Yes, we did, we got that. Han, right.

DREW: Were any of us – in this group – also involved in the Lincoln era? Did we know each other and inter-relate then as well?

KRIS: Not in direct means, but some of you have expressions of Essence that were on the fringes, not directly associated, but associated enough to have had an impact from the Lincoln family’s tragedies. This was not an easy life. Now what is the time?

MARK: 10:12.

KRIS: Then indeed, we suggest that you enjoy your lovely selves any which way you can in any worldview available to you. And we offer fondest and warmest regards.

(Group offers thanks and farewells)

(Session ends at 10:12 PM.)

Norm had problems hearing the Eeja segment and Mark summarized the main points for him.

PAUL: This is the kind of material that is preparing us – and I say that collectively – for the Shift, for lack of a better term, because it’s the kind of pluralism and relativism that shoots into the next level of worldviews and they’re able to comprehend and work comfortably with.

MARK: Jo, a question for you.

JO: Yes.

MARK: What brought up Mary Todd Lincoln?

JO: I connected with an old friend from high school and I suggested that we try to figure out what lifetimes we have together and about a week went by and I got some impressions, like the Knights Templar stuff – I saw them, you know, and Kris had been talking about the Knights Templar, and I didn’t know what they looked like – so that was a strong impression. And then this morning I had a dream that I was sending him a copy of a DVD or something and I stuck it within the pages of biography of Mary Todd Lincoln, and so that’s why I went to a place where I [associated it] with him.

MARK: Well, when you said Mary Todd Lincoln, Kris and I looked at each other and both of us almost cracked up laughing because of the coincidence! Because while we were waiting for you to call, or maybe a little earlier than that, Serge and I were sitting here talking about Mary Todd Lincoln!

(Amazed laughter and “Wow’s)

JO: And here she is right in our living room!

MARK: Plus – in the Canadian edition of Time magazine this month, there’s an article on her!

JO: Wow.

MARK: And another coincidence that happened is while I was waiting for you guys to phone in, I was sitting looking at the fish tank and watching the fish turn on a dime, and I started picturing myself in other laws of physics in another reality where I was say, in an oxygen atmosphere, but I could go up and down as opposed to forward and backwards, like a fish! And here we are with Eeja – bringing those thoughts forward, so I was picking this up!

JO: Right, that’s funny! And Mary Todd Lincoln is not someone who’s crossed my mind any time recently at all. Came totally out of the blue – that’s why it was such a strong impression.

MARK: Now we all know why! Mary Todd Lincoln is in your living room!

Ester shared another synch from two or three nights previous in which she had a dream of viewing a deeper aspect of her self, and viewing this aspect going deeper and deeper within, and this deeper aspect had a stomach-ache, yet her surface self did not. She experienced this like a mirror effect, when you stand between two mirrors and the picture repeats itself endlessly. She believed the stomachache was an effect of holding an enormous amount of energy and she kept telling herself to release it.

Serge expressed that he experienced a similar physical effect just before bringing Eeja through. He was coughing quite a bit just prior to it and he believes that it was a way of creating a clearer passage for the Eeja presence, by opening up his throat.

Jene shared yet another coincidence: she has a focus who was a member of Lincoln’s cabinet, who drafted the Freedom Act, also that her father’s name is Abraham Lincoln Harris, he was born on February 12th, and his best friend’s name is George Washington.

There was a lot of raucous laughter over these synchs; as well as joking and remarks about how awesome, incredible the session itself was overall.

Paul asked Mark how the Eeja experience compared with the Netjers, and Mark said he could tell right away that this was not the same. The voice was quite different, though it had a harsher quality to it, he could still sense a very loving expression and a feeling that Eeja really desired to make a point with his material.

(End)

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