Marcy Singer (Arindal)

April 28, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 28, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: Now we are glad that the weekend (referring to the Healing the Heart Conference in Toronto April 16-17) has been a landmark event for you.

MARCY: Thank you. Me too.

KRIS: As we hinted at, the weekend could not have occurred without each individual who participated in it in one way or another. So the weekend itself became a symbol for the sharing that occurred within its parameters.

MARCY: That makes sense to me.

KRIS: So this is always important to keep in mind that your own reality experiences could not occur without your participation and your energies. We mention it not only for yourself but simply because at times it becomes far too easy to lose sight of the relationship that exists between the events, the circumstances and the conditions of one’s life and oneself. As if the former are something that happen to you, whilst in reality this is not the case. YOU happen. Therefore Reality IS. You ARE. Reality IS. Reality is then an extension of you. Does that make sense?

MARCY: Yes it does. Sometimes I grasp that. Sometimes that seems very real to me and then I don’t hold onto it all the time, but I’m getting so that I grasp it more often. I mean I can feel it more often. It sort of comes in and out. But yeah, I’m getting better at feeling the truth of that rather than just thinking the truth of that.

KRIS: Indeed, there is a difference between its intellectual state and its visceral, 3-dimensional, physical expression. And far too many people also pretend that this is all far too confusing to keep in mind and one does not know how to understand what the symbols of physical reality are communicating to you. What the imagery of the world is communicating to the person. But it is not that mysterious.

The events and circumstances and conditions of the world will elicit specific states, emotional tones within the individual, and they then become what the imagery is trying to evoke into your awareness to awaken you to that fact that you may hold certain emotional perspectives that occasion so-called negative, destructive events. And the events do not exist by themselves. They have to be fed a program to run, just like in your computer system. Microsoft Word could not function unless you launch it. Other than that it has no ability to interact in the interface with the operating system, only when you launch it.

Thus physical reality, the events, conditions and circumstances of life are launched by the programs within your own consciousness, reality programs. Fortunately, such reality programs do not have to be manufactured by Microsoft. Otherwise you would have it much more difficult. They would be un-patchable.

MARCY: (Laughs) I know.

KRIS: Thus, when an event, condition or circumstance of life appears in such a fashion as to be interpreted as negative or destructive in one form or another, it is a communication to elicit, to evoke and awaken the originating program within your consciousness. And thus it can be far more readily transformed into a more user-friendly programming.

MARCY: (Laughing) Right. Yes. I understand.

KRIS: And still, what individuals understand from these kinds of value creation principles over the last many years only scratches the surface.

MARCY: Oh yeah. I’m aware of that.

KRIS: Ten years from now you may happen to listen to this recording again and you will understand something entirely different because you will be at a different depth of experience.

MARCY: Yes, I even see that from when we talked last year, July and August, that I’ll be experiencing something or thinking about something and something you said will pop into my mind and it will have a different meaning, at a different layer, than it did before.

KRIS: Indeed, the angle of perception is different. The angular vision has changed. It has widened. And yet all of these perceptions are nested one into the other and they keep blossoming out from the core, forever outward, because that is the nature of your existence in physical reality. It appears that all of this moves from the inside outward, and that is to enable the ego construction to understand, estimate, evaluation, analyze, catalogue and otherwise dissect the apparent objective reality as the laboratory. But in reality nothing exists in an objective outside state but for the sake of convenience.

MARCY: Right. I have this idea that it’s exactly what you’re saying, that everything I see is just…..in fact I saw this just the other day where I was looking down at my body and I could see, it looked like a beam of energy going from my body to everything in the environment and I could see that it was a projection from me. It was me, and I was projecting this tree and this house and this car and this street and this world. And it was all just projecting straight out from me. And there it was.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: And I didn’t hold onto that, but I do remember what that felt like.

KRIS: A good example of something along those lines is a thing called The Rose of Cairo where the characters on the screen in the theater take on such a life as they walk out of the screen just as easily as someone can walk into the scene on the screen. This is literally what the individual creates in his or her own psyche, and due to the auspices of the wonderful physical senses and the ego construction, it appears as if the scenario you have painted in your mind’s eye somehow or other is projected onto the screen of physical dimension. So it becomes more or less a hologram.

(Pause) And physical reality, though to many appears as objective, concrete and what many use as ‘real’, the measuring stick for all other realities, in itself it is actually what we would call ‘synthetic reality.’ To use rather simplistic terms, the ‘real’ reality is the subjective experience.

MARCY: Yes. I’ve heard that before.

KRIS: So synthetic reality allows you to work around the parameters of the constructions of ideas that you are entertaining at that deep psychological level.

MARCY: Yeah, to me I see it as sort of a demonstration. We put it out there so we can look at it and help us figure out about ourselves. Because we see it out there and we say, ‘what is this of me?’ Because this is me it helps us if we can look at it.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: Hold it in front of us and look at it. I mean, if we do that, if we actually do look at it as a projection of ourselves.

KRIS: Even when you do not, still physical reality acts as a great means of examining the idea constructions that you entertain at those subjective levels, but in a manner that enables the physical senses to also partake of the experience. So it is like examining several layers of reality all at once. There is reality at the subjective level. What we would call (pause) the prototype. Then you have the synthetic reality which allows you to examine your beliefs, convictions, objectified in 3-dimensional terms in a holographic manner to judge, examine, and further explore the potentials of these ideas that you are constructing reality with.

So it is somewhat complex, but nonetheless a truly masterful artistic creation, nonetheless.

MARCY: Yes. Very complex. Very interesting as well.

KRIS: (Pause) Now, we believe you have some questions.

MARCY: I do have some questions. But thank you for that first part. I’m going to have to go back and I may type that up and submit that because I think that might be interesting for other people to hear as well.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: First of all, I loved your old man in the elevator. (Laughs) That was wonderful. And I appreciate that. And so, show up again. That was fun. It was interesting because it seems like I was sort of formulating this, sort of this movement with your finger and I turned around and suddenly got this big hit of information like bam! And then I stepped off the elevator and saw this old man standing there leaning on his cane just watching us walk away and I thought, ‘Oh my God that was Kris!’

(NOTE: While Serge was escorting me through the Toronto subway system to the eventual bus stop where I would catch the bus to the airport, at one point we were standing in an elevator and a tall, slender, white-haired man in an ugly plaid shirt with a cane was standing between us. I was facing what I thought was the front of the elevator, not realizing that the way out was in the other direction. The old man motioned with his hand and pointed with his finger and said something that indicated I needed to turn around the other direction in order to exit the elevator at the upper level. Once we arrived at the upper level and stepped off the elevator, the man also got off and then I saw him out of the corner of my eye simply standing there, leaning on his cane, watching Serge and I walk away. Kris confirmed later that this was indeed a temporary physical manifestation of ‘Themselves.’ – Marcy)

And then it was gone because I was worried that I wouldn’t catch the bus and stuff, but that was so fun! So, do that some more, okay? (Laughs)

KRIS: They are occasional and few experiences, but nonetheless they are most enjoyable.

MARCY: Well, it was to me too, and you know I’ve been pestering you for months saying, ‘I know you can form temporary physical manifestations.’ And then after awhile I figured, ‘oh he just doesn’t want to do that.’ So that was wonderful. Thank you.

So then the next thing was….I was working on the session with Norm and Reta where Ester and Mark and I were in attendance (NOTE: The session transcript from April 17 is in the works and will be posted as soon as I finish it. I promise I’m typing as fast as I can! – Marcy) concerning this machine, this mind balancing machine. And so I have a question concerning these low level frequencies creating this resonance that encourages regeneration at the cellular level. You had told me last year that concerning my singing of The Lily, if I projected the sound into my body or other people’s bodies that it could in effect, from what I understood, do the same thing. Was I understanding you correctly? That this would also encourage regeneration even though it’s not in inaudible sound, it’s actually audible, but was I understanding you correctly about that?

KRIS: It would function in a similar manner, involving the recipient involving his or her own conscious growth. In that manner they may in their own capacity participate and they will incorporate however much of the energy that they know they can deal with.

MARCY: Right. That makes sense. Whenever I project energy toward anyone, reiki energy or whatever I’m doing, that is always my intent. “Here’s this energy to use in whatever way you want or to not use, whatever you want to do.” That’s always sort of my unspoken intent.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: Okay, so then I’m thinking….I’m starting on Tuesday with the certification course to become a massage therapist, and I’m thinking that one of the things they teach is to play soothing music, and something I was considering was that if I were to record my singing of The Lily, would that be beneficial if I were then to play that, if people found it enjoyable, while I was doing a massage whenever that comes about?

KRIS: We believe this could be beneficial, and we would up the ante on you and throw you a challenge.

MARCY: Okay, what is it?

KRIS: Are your boxing gloves on?

MARCY: Okay, they’re on!

KRIS: Indeed, then our challenge for you is to keep practicing in that manner. Observe your clients’ reactions. And after a period of time that you can deem on your own as sufficient, we would further encourage you to find the means to professionally record the voices.

MARCY: Yeah, I knew you were going to say that. I thought about that earlier today.

KRIS: So that others who may not be able to receive the physical massage can get the music massage from you.

MARCY: Well, this course I’m going to take is about a year to complete.

KRIS: so that will give you plenty of time to practice.

MARCY: Yeah. (Laughs) Well, I do practice a lot. I don’t know how much you lurk around but I assume you’re aware of the fact that I do practice a lot.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: In the car and other times. I do that quite a lot already and I’m quite pleased with my progress actually.

KRIS: And to add to those experiences, we highly recommend that you keep some type of journal as to a means of observing client feedback, client reaction.

MARCY: Okay, I have the sense that at least at first it would be the combination of the physical touching in a loving manner AND the sound, so I guess I’ll just have to use my intuition to tell how the music itself is actually creating the difference or creating the benefit.

KRIS: Indeed for it will in some way lift the client out of their regular mindset and basically infuse them with energy at those more subtle levels while physically you help their bodies find their natural healing equilibrium. That is what massage does.

MARCY: Right. Exactly. The Director of the school, I talk a lot to her and she seems to be of the same mindset about massage and about this whole system which she calls the Eastern as opposed to the Western model like Serge has talked to me about. And I believe that she teaches in the same way. She knows about the different frequencies of certain kinds of stones and how those can be used to help synchronize the energy centers. At least this was her translation of this. And so I think what I’m going to learn will be really in line with what you’re telling me.

KRIS: You might also find the entire process a wonderful journey of discovering more of what you are all about. That IS the purpose. The purpose is not to attain a certain goal or destination but to discover that the journey IS the discovery, IS the destination, IS the Satori.

MARCY: Yes. The older I get the more I understand that. It’s like when you look forward to something and then it’s over. Sometimes the most fun of it, the most enjoyment of it is the anticipation.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: You know and then you’re in it and its like, ‘whoa, I’ve got to savor every moment.’ And then it’s over! So it’s more fun to wait for it, to savor the anticipation of it.

KRIS: Indeed, because if the journey to a specific destination were meaningless, that only the destination mattered, then you would simply go from Point A to Point B without any interaction in between. There would be no other point.

Thus everything you live and experience on the journey IS what you came here to understand about life. It is not that at some point in the far future you will suddenly reflect and make realizations. The realizations are occurring with each step of the journey because the journey is the realization. It IS the Satori.

MARCY: Yes, that’s so right. I agree. I feel that so much. I see that on a daily basis when I’m doing my housecleaning Zen. [NOTE: Marcy has a housecleaning business to pay the rent until she becomes a famous massage therapist. ]

KRIS: This may be the most well kept secret concerning enlightenment. There is no ultimate enlightenment to be had, but the entire process IS the enlightenment. There is no supreme self to become. There is the self that you are in a constantly blossoming stage.

MARCY: Yes. Yes. I feel that so much. I just keep getting bigger and wider and finding out more interesting things and thoughts pop into my head and I think, ‘whoa! That’s even more interesting!’ It’s like a never-ending story or something. It’s wonderful. I love it.

If there was some final destination and once I got there it would be over, that would be boring. It would be, ‘okay, that’s all there is.’ I don’t want that to be all there is. I want there to always be more.

KRIS: There always IS more. There cannot be less.

MARCY: Right. Right. I love it.

KRIS: Even when a certain expression of essence takes on the role of an autistic individual or an individual with a mental or physical limitation, these are also part of the process of discovery.

MARCY: Right. I believe that too. And you know it’s hard to talk to someone who has maybe an autistic child or their child is disabled in some way to say, ‘well, this is part of the experience.’ You have to be really careful about telling people who don’t understand this because they feel like it’s a drawback to be in life like that.

KRIS: Indeed and often the tendency is to say that this is merely a fancy way of blaming the victim for their own shortcomings because they have an extremely narrow perception. So you cannot expect through a very narrow lens that they will see all of the landscape that you are describing when they can only see a part of a leaf and you are trying to describe the forest.

MARCY: Right. That’s so true.

KRIS: Careful judgment and discernment must be part of the presentation and encourage them to continue observing that much more of reality.

MARCY: Right. Sometimes I find too even with my daughter. Right now she believes in science even though she is psychic and has been ever since she was a little kid moreso even than me, but there are certain portions of the interactions that I have with yourselves that she would find hard to swallow. So I don’t put it in her face. I just sort of slip things in…concepts. I don’t say where they came from I just offer suggestions, and sometimes I find that that’s a really good way to get people to think about things in a little different direction.

KRIS: Indeed, simple, gentle nudges that awaken memories is the most efficient approach. That is why in some respects we often only drop a few seeds here and there, sometimes no more than a sentence, only to revisit it months and years later, but more fleshed out.

MARCY: Yes and that’s one thing I’ve learned in doing these transcripts because I’ve done a couple from 1999 but most of them are from 2002 forward, so I’ve seen the progression. I’ve seen how you’ve built concepts and I’ve come to realize that you don’t ever use any word randomly or casually. And so I pay attention to what you say and I’ll think, ‘wait a minute. There’s something that I want to pay attention to.” And then I’ll see that develop over time. It’s really fascinating. And that’s why sometimes people will write to me and they’ll say, ‘Well, tell me one session that I can read where Kris talks about so and so.’ And I’ll say, ‘you just can’t do it that way. You have to start at the beginning and then move forward’, because you always build on the concept from the foundation. And people find that difficult. They don’t want to do that. They want it quick.

KRIS: Even with Elias, the material is spread throughout many years.

MARCY: Exactly right.

KRIS: Otherwise to cram an entire concept within a series of continual sessions may indeed burn out the recipient. Thus various angles and concepts are presented all at once and then they are slowly dissected and expanded on their own in their own autonomous discussions. But that also includes other concepts added to further expand it, much like a tree that sends off many, many different branches, each branch having smaller braches again that lead to many stems that lead to thousands of leaves. And the tree does not grow those all at once, though potentially they all exist in the now. But they will only be manifest in a manner that is optimum for the tree.

MARCY: Right. Yes, yes. That’s really a good analogy. I really like that. And that’s one thing that I find people trip themselves up with is that they will delve into the Elias material or the transcripts of session that you’ve given and they’ll pick out one little thing and they’ll just take that as if it were a whole concept without examining all the different parts of that and then they confuse themself.

KRIS: Indeed. Many people want their cake and they want to eat it too.

MARCY: Right. Exactly. And they don’t want to go out and buy the ingredients and follow the recipe and measure out the flour and measure out the sugar and mix them all together and put it in the oven and bring it back out. They just want the cake.

KRIS: And if many would have their way they would have their way they would prefer that it would be pre-chewed for them.

MARCY: (Laughs) Exactly! We don’t even want to think about what that would look like!

KRIS: So the best method to have a beautiful garden is to get on your hands and knees, get dirty, dig in the dirt, sow the seeds, water the seeds, get some mud on your face, on your hands, and that way you know not only what a garden looks like but what it is to build one.

And then you can enjoy the fruits of your labor as miraculously beautiful flowers start to grow and open up and fill the air with their sweet scent and their resplendent colors and aromas.

MARCY: Beautiful. I like it.

KRIS: That is how this material, whether from Seth, Elias, Ourselves or any other, is meant. It is a progression. But to try to read the last chapter before all the other defeats the purpose because then you do not understand how the last chapter came to be and you only grasp the tail end of the elephant, thinking you have the whole beast.

MARCY: (Laughs) Exactly. Yeah, that’s exactly right. And it’s so fun too. I just enjoy so much reading these sessions, well, typing these sessions, especially when I can hear your voice saying it, it intersects with me at a different level besides just reading it. And it is. It’s just a blossoming and it’s so wonderful. I just love that.

KRIS: Indeed and have you recognized why that is?

MARCY: The voice?

KRIS: Because the session is not about our voice. The session is not about the material. It is not about the words. It is not about anything outside of the individual, but it is completely, 100% about the individual and what secrets and treasures the individual allows himself or herself to discover within themselves. The words, the sentences, the sessions, the voice, the tempo, are only there as keys that you use to put in the locks to unlock the door to the rooms of consciousness you have kept closed.

MARCY: Exactly. That makes sense.

KRIS: So in some respects you are all closeted selves. Your self is in the closet.

MARCY: (Laughs) Right! Come out! Yeah. I guess that’s the old man in the elevator was in that one small motion. What you do is you just point.

KRIS: That is all we do.

MARCY: Exactly.

KRIS: Now sometimes we have been known to kick as well.

MARCY: (Cracks up) No! Yeah, I seem to remember something like that.

KRIS: That is why the other evening we emphasized so strongly that we are merely the voice that echoes the voice you do not hear within self, the one that you have learned to silence. And when we say ‘you’ we mean in general terms.

MARCY: I understand that.

KRIS: The voice that you have learned to silence within yourself, thinking that it may be dangerous to listen to it for it will, if allowed, reveal to you the nature of your own reality. And you would much prefer to play with the idea that reality is not yours but that you are merely a victim of it.

MARCY: Sure, because that way it gets rid of the responsibility.

KRIS: Indeed, so that is one of the reasons you come here in this physical domain to understand that much more about your own sense of responsibility, your sense of being, how you transform energy from one state to another, so that when you disengage from physical expressions, you are ready to take on other experiences.

MARCY: That makes sense, but now you also have your own being-ness. I mean this is a co-creation.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: I mean, I understand what you are saying, but you also have to be willing to be that voice for us.

KRIS: Indeed, that is why we have at times referred to ourselves in the term of a bodhisattva.

MARCY: Right. Yes. Sometimes I, in fact yesterday I had this sense of myself as a bodhisattva as well. It was sort of overwhelming. And I don’t know if I’m just a ‘mini’ one (lol) or if I’m tapping into something, but it was quite extraordinary. And I was going to ask you about that.

KRIS: That is what we would refer to as your heroic self.

MARCY: Okay. It was extraordinary. It was awesome.

KRIS: Indeed and for all of what you personally may think is extraordinary about your small Marcy self, you are much more than that image. And that is what you could accommodate neurologically. That is what you could interpret at that moment the other day. So you tapped into a glimpse what that self is about. And it may not occur again for some time or it may occur soon. But there will be different adventures with this perception.

MARCY: Right. Well, it was wonderful. It was great because I felt like I was just going to turn into light and I wasn’t going to exist as a physical being anymore. So I just kept doing what I was doing and something in my head said, ‘just keep working. Just stay in your body. It’ll be okay.’ But my body had a very different feel to it. It felt electrified or like I was shining or like I was radioactive or something where there would be a glowing or something. And then after awhile it sort of faded away because I think that was all that I could deal with at the time. But it was fabulous. I want to do that some more! It was wonderful.

KRIS: It may occur when you least expect it, and in case you find this experience, this type of experience too heady, remember the suggestion we offered to Erin. (NOTE: During the Heal the Heart workshop Kris offered a simple grounding exercise to Paula/Erin, one of the workshop participants)

MARCY: Yes, I did that. Not at that exact time because I was able to just keep riding the waves there and then after awhile I just thought about something else and it eased off a little bit. But I actually tried it a couple of times in the last couple of days because there were times when I’ve felt sort of light headed and I’ve done that. It was really helpful.

KRIS: And it is not so much that you might lose your body as much as you are experiencing a different type of body that is new for you to perceive. Still as if not more tangible than the physical form because it is living energy.

MARCY: Yes! That’s what it felt like. I felt more alive like every cell in my body had suddenly switched on like they had been asleep and all of a sudden they all woke up at once. That’s why I said I want to do it some more. It felt so fabulous. So alive. It’s wonderful.

KRIS: (Pause) When you sense such an experience heading your way, because you can sense it beforehand, allow yourself to go with it as much as possible without necessarily worrying that you will lose yourself. You cannot lose yourself.

MARCY: Okay. So just give into it? Just allow it to unfold however it wants to then.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: Okay. I can do that.

KRIS: You might find it highly interesting.

MARCY: I’m sure I will. If that was the introduction – Yeah, I want more! It was wonderful.

KRIS: In fact if you were to bring the experience back to memory right now, you could still feel its echoes in your consciousness.

MARCY: Yes. I do.

KRIS: And we might even suggest that you can capture a small particle of that energy and pretending you have a large magnifying glass, you can look at the composition of one particle of that energy. What do you sense? What do you see?

MARCY: It looks like a group of cells.

KRIS: Indeed, now pretend that your magnifier increases the magnification even more.

MARCY: It looks like a face. (Laughs)

KRIS: That is fine. That is the way you are interpreting it. What do you see?

MARCY: It looks like a sparkle. Does that make any sense? Do you know what I mean?

KRIS: Indeed, now pretend the magnification increases on the sparkle. And to give you a hint, of course the sparkle in your terms would be made up of light particles. Increase the magnification. What do you see?

MARCY: A Universe. It looks like a scene, like a scene from a world somewhere.

KRIS: Now if you increase the magnification, what do you see?

MARCY: (Pause) its dark but it’s light. It’s light that you can’t see.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: I can see this darkness but around the edges there’s sort of silver. It’s like light but it’s not visual light.

KRIS: Now you keep increasing the magnification because you will always see things. There will always be particles. Now if you decrease the magnification back and move backwards, do you still see the sparkle that makes up the group of cells of cluster?

MARCY: Yes

KRIS: And if you move back even more, what do you see?

MARCY: I’m stuck on this group of cells.

KRIS: Indeed, you can let them go. In theory moving back and back and back would take you right back to the Universe.

MARCY: Yeah. (Pause) Oh, I see what you mean! Oh yeah.

KRIS: Because there is no inside or outside.

MARCY: Right. Exactly! Yeah, it’s like I’m flying backwards and everything in my reality is getting smaller and smaller and then it’s just gone. And then the darkness is there again. I see what you mean.

KRIS: And there is always activity. There is always action, even if not perceivable by the physical senses.

MARCY: Right. Yeah, the darkness isn’t empty; it’s alive.

KRIS: Indeed, now it is scientifically interpreted as meaning that there is nothing there; that it is a vacuum. But that is only because the scientists, their instruments, and their eyes are not made to see the life that exists in between those moments.

MARCY: Well yeah. I’m looking in my mind’s eye at this darkness or this light that you can’t see and if you touch it, it’s full. It’s spongy, like putting your hand in Jell-O or something. It’s thick.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARCY: There’s a thickness to it. It’s not empty at all. Interesting.

KRIS: And if you mentally examine your physical form, your body image, you will find that it is composed of the very same pulsations.

MARCY: Yes. Interesting. I’ve never seen myself in that way before. Not like this. It’s transparent.

KRIS: Indeed, so for someone to say that the physical form is nothing but a carnal thing that must be gotten out of as soon as possible in order to be spiritual is actually distorting the material.

MARCY: Oh yeah. I mean, just looking down at my own body with my eyes closed, it’s just like light.

KRIS: It is. It is composed of consciousness. How can it be anti-spiritual?

MARCY: Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I loved being a physical person even before I saw myself as a light body. I thought it was a wonderful experiment, but wow. Thank you for suggesting this. This is wonderful. I love this. It feels exhilarating to know this.

KRIS: Indeed, now, knowing that your physical form and your true image is not bound by a form, it is easy or can make it easier for you to play with consciousness because in truth there are no boundaries. This does not negate intrusiveness and non-intrusive issues.

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: But there are truly no boundaries. They exist for the sake of the ego construction where the ego is comfortable knowing that at one point there is the edge of self and after that there is no self.

MARCY: Right. I understand.

KRIS: But that is a temporary perception.

MARCY: Yes and that’s one thing I’ve been really thinking about because I think a person, even though I am my ego I’m also more than my ego and I think a person can soothe their ego enough that they don’t’ have to hold to such strict boundaries. And that’s something I’ve been working on over the months just through intent, just saying, ‘I’ll push my ego boundaries a little farther and a little father and a little farther. I’m still safe. I’m still fine. I don’t have to worry.’ And I think a person can actually do that in their conscious state in their regular everyday life.

KRIS: Indeed, that is the whole purpose is to engage the conscious ego construction into those processes and not try to kill it.

MARCY: Oh right. That is one thing that The Lily is all about, the importance of the ego. People want to get rid of it. Well, you can’t get rid of part of yourself without hamstringing your whole self. You just can’t do that.

KRIS: That would be synonymous with trying to poke out your eyes so you can read faster.

MARCY: Exactly. Or like you said, cutting off your arms and legs so you can run faster so there’s less drag on your body. It’s like, no, I don’t think that’s going to work!

KRIS: Indeed. So this tension, this drag is part of the beneficial experience.

MARCY: Exactly. Yes. Cool.

KRIS: The only reason why the major religious doctrines make an insistence in one form or another that somehow or other the ego must be sacrificed in order to attain spiritual heaven is because without your ego and its critical faculties, you will not question the doctrines. You will be like a lobotomized patient in an unconscious, therefore non-challenging state. A sheep.

MARCY: Oh yeah. Exactly. I was a fundamental Baptist for about eight years and so I understand that mindset. After awhile it just didn’t work for me anymore, but oh yeah – don’t question, otherwise God will punish you. I mean, people are kept in line by fear basically, but it doesn’t matter. It’s the same result. They don’t question. They don’t think for themselves. They are too afraid to.

KRIS: Indeed, because when they disengage from the physical form they will find themselves in an environment where questioning is paramount.

MARCY: Right. Yeah. It’s the integrity and the sovereignty of each essence or individual, even though we are NOT individual, we are. We aren’t but we are, so there’s an integrity there and a freedom to question, to make your own choices. I mean, even as you said, even the units of consciousness make their own choices and this is how we do the same thing and so if you’re not questioning, then you’re not making your own choices.

KRIS: Now this presents a certain paradox where it is a choice to choose not to question. But it entails certain consequences which bring up questioning later on. So it is another kind of experiment.

MARCY: Right. Sure. I’ve been through that experiment. I know all about that one. That was very interesting, to put it in a nice way. You’re right.

KRIS: Now we would kindly suggest that we continue another day and time.

MARCY: That would be wonderful.

KRIS: And if you comfortable with providing a transcription of this session for others, that would be admirable.

MARCY: Yes, I think that what you said applied to me but I also think others would enjoy and find this valuable to read. So yeah, I’ll do that. I’ll add it to my list!

KRIS: Indeed. That is what lists are for, to be added to.

MARCY: (Laughs) Yeah, you’ve got that down. Sure, it would be wonderful. I’ll do that. Thank you.

KRIS: Then again we wish you a Happy Birthday.

MARCY: Thank you. And thank you for being my birthday gift. It was very good of you.

KRIS: Indeed. And one is always eternally 29.

MARCY: (Laughs) Well thank you. I will quote you on that.

KRIS: Indeed. And do enjoy the rest of your day.

MARCY: I will and thank you and you too.

The Journey of Re-Discovery – It’s BIG!

April 25, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 25, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna, (Sharaleene), Alice (Miluumea)

Roll Call in Castaic: Paul H (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Paul T (Antolian), Ester (Benata), Jene (Mildor), Jim (Jericho), Kathleen, Wanda, Pam, and Bob.

Roll Call in Bloomington: Marcy (Arindal)

[In Castaic, the D.A.A.D.G. crowd were celebrating May Day with Maypoles and a wonderful Hawaiian feast served up by Joanne (Rosalie)]

(Session begins late at 8:17 because original telephone connection to Bloomington was lost and some time was spent trying to re-establish the connection. This was never accomplished.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and we will not reveal the secrets of gizmology or of stopping squeaking rockers. Now we are glad that you are celebrating Hawaiian style as the idea elicits adventures that most individuals may not partake of within this physical lifetime.

There are other adventures that can also be partaken of that provide much food for thought and experiences that are not normally captured by the official line of consciousness. And one such adventure deals with the Universe itself. For the majority of people on your world the cosmos appears to be a very real external event somewhat outside the general field of understanding, though the immediate aspects of the cosmos, meaning the Earth, the physical reality, are partially understood or at least attempts to partially understand the physical world are extrapolated by conventional sciences. And conventional sciences have established a variety of disciplines to try and understand the physical world and the physical cosmos.

And each discipline may very well assume that its findings, its extrapolations might indeed be the definitive understanding of that cosmos, the physical world, and matter. And there are often conflicts and lack of communication from one discipline to another that often gives the impression that simply by one individual rubbing the elephant’s trunk should understand everything about the elephant. And we are certain you are familiar with the idea of the six blind individuals each touching one part of the elephant, one the trunk, one for each of the legs and one for the tail, each thinking that this is what an elephant is.

And something similar happens when various members of each discipline do not effectively communicate with members of another discipline, each thinking they have a stranglehold upon the correct and therefore ultimate and truthful understanding of matter, the cosmos and life in general. And this does cause complications.

What we are attempting to present this evening is a different interpretation, though it might have been heard by some of you before and not necessarily by ourselves specifically. But even at that we will attempt to give a different perspective still and one that may help you from the point of view of experience.

Now there are many models or ways to view physical existence, reality, and the cosmos at this point in your collective experience. Some are more prominent than others whilst at other points in your civilization’s expansion other views, other models were more prominent whilst the so-called scientific was itself considered heretical, even akin to witchcraft and devil-making. And at other points still both those views themselves may eventually be eschewed for others still.

One of the misconceptions is that a particular model of the cosmos and your relationship with it should be the definite, the ultimate, the absolute, and when there are legitimate challenges which point out loopholes, the challenges and the challengers are usually brushed aside if not outright eliminated in one form or another as history as you know it has amply demonstrated. And each time a model or worldview comes along there is the hope often expressed that this one may be the ultimate, the summit of all others. And in the long run it ends up being but another of many.

What we are proposing then is a worldview that is not necessarily the ultimate for to think so would be utterly limiting. But that instead allows for many other worldviews or models to coexist within a larger worldscape that itself should be allowed to continue its way, expand, add on and build upon itself, as that is the natural course of the existence of the cosmos.

So what we are suggesting then is not the invention of a theory that would reduce the cosmos to fit the theory but instead that would expand and accommodate as many theories as can be summoned. And such a task requires careful consideration of words because words themselves help define the contours and the boundaries of any worldview and that within various cultures, so all of that has to be taken into consideration. Do you follow so far?

(Yes) (Long pause)

Now we are aware that California may exist within its own worldview (Laughter) but we are also asking if you follow, if this makes sense to you.

PAUL H: Yes and no.

JO: What I’m hearing, this is Rosalie, is that there’s a, it would be nice to while we’re creating this new worldview that it be a worldview that is scalable so as to be adaptable as it goes, that it isn’t designed in a way that is absolute and that it can accommodate our natural evaluation and incorporate what we know as we go.

KRIS: Indeed, it is meant to be as expansive as the boundaries of your singular and collective imaginations and accommodate expansion and to incorporate within it, within its boundaries other types of worldviews without denigrating any of the other worldviews. Does that make sense?

PAUL H: It does to me.

MARK: No one singular worldview can ever define us, it has to be plural.

KRIS: Now many people think that they hold a unique worldview and this is simultaneously true and not true. But that does not imply that it is a lie. What we are trying to point out on the one hand is that the idea of a singular individual is somewhat erroneous in that the individual is composed of many individualities and as such the individual, which is merely a reference to one aspect of self at any given point in time and space, the individual holds multiple worldviews simultaneously, each aspect of self entertaining a momentary worldview whilst still engaged in multiple worldviews that compose the entity, the essence. Does that make sense so far?

PAUL H: Yes, kind of.

MYRNA: When you say, Kris, ‘individual’ can I just clarify? Individual is the essence and within the essence there are individualities, each holding a worldview?

KRIS: We have suggested that the word ‘individual’ is a reference. Do you recall?

MYRNA: Yes

KRIS: Indeed. Now the individual holds many worldviews simultaneously, each focused upon to the exclusion of others. Thus essence or the entity holds all of these individual worldviews. Do you follow?

PAUL H: This is Paul, Janaki here. Just to clarify. You’re making a distinction between the focus personality and essence, which is, composed of many focus personalities and the focus personality itself has its own sub personalities. But a focus personality, for purpose of discussion here, has a singular worldview and essence, which is composed of multiple simultaneous personalities, holds multiple simultaneous worldviews. Is that what you’re pointing out?

KRIS: Indeed, and we are adding that even one focus personality, one expression of essence itself holds multiple worldviews, each related to its satellite aspects. Do you follow?

MYRNA: I think an example without……

ALICE: What does ‘satellite aspects’ mean?

KRIS: Individuals have many aspects literally orbiting around the core, thus our reference to satellite aspects.

PAUL H: Is this what Elias would call probable and alternate selves, probable selves splintering off from the focus personality, and each probable self consists of multiple alternate selves? Those are Elias’ way of discussing aspects.

KRIS: These are all part of the picture. Definitely. So each such representation of essence holds multiple worldviews. Thus essence is in a way a non-physical embodiment of a multitude, legions of worldviews. This creates an enormous network of worldviews in constant exchange. Do you follow?

JO: Kris this is Rosalie again. Would this also include even in our development, our magical and mystic self and our absolute mystical self in those kinds of value meetings, as they’re called?

KRIS: These are all contained within the unbounded bounds of essence. Does that make sense?

(Laughter)

PAUL H: We’re really big.

KRIS: Indeed, but we do not believe you need to call Jenny Craig. (Everyone cracks up.)

Now, (pause) in astronomy they refer to a specific astronomical unit of measurement called a parsec. Are you familiar with that term?

PAUL H: Any astrophysicists here? What is it?

PAUL T: I think its a thousand light-years.

PAUL H: We think its a thousand light-years.

KRIS: Indeed, now of course these are units of measurement that apply only within a specific context, the context of physical time and space. But we also wish to mention that the entity, essence in its own realm can also be referenced by consciousness parsecs relating specifically to its ability to exponentially expand merely by the desire to do so. Thus it creates expressions and as such it needs to simultaneously create as many realities within the parameters of its own parsecs of consciousness with which to create environments suitable for its various expressions. You term these dimensions.

Now, as we were mentioning at the very beginning, most individuals take birth in the physical world and believe that obviously the physical world must have existed before their birth, therefore must be something separate from self, must exist outside of self based on the assumption that it existed before their arrival within reality. And through the linear rational mental perceptions this indeed makes a great deal of sense because it fits in with the worldview that life exists in spite of the individual, that reality is a thing that stands the test of time, so to speak. And one is born into that reality, one appears within it and then when one leaves, dies, disengages, it will continue but the individual will not. And within such belief structures this is completely understandable.

Now over the last thirty and forty years there has been a change. It is slow. Indeed we could say that it is creeping along at a snail’s pace. But it is having an impact and an impact that will eventually see a profound transformation, but it is not one that you will all see in this specific lifetime, at least not see it to completion. But you will begin and you already have begun to see its implications.

And this of course did not begin specifically thirty, forty-odd years ago. It has been with your civilization, your species for a great deal of time in those terms. Many ancient other cultures, some even existing in your present reality now on the face of your own planet still hold some of these perceptions, though they are largely ignored and referred to as mere superstitions of an ancient people who know nothing about the truth of the world in modern life. But many such people actually know more than what you think you know.

And it is this, and this again is not something you have never heard before, but we wish to put a spin on it as has become our M.O. (Laughter)

And it is this, that physical reality, your personal reality, physical reality, the material world up to and including the cosmos is part of your being. It is more than merely an extension, but is also your physical body, though your awareness has become so narrowly focused that you have come to believe that you are perhaps no more than a small speck of dust, perhaps even an insignificant small speck of dust on a planet that is itself no more than another slightly larger speck of dust hurtling through the cosmos to its inevitable demise such as to render yourselves almost ineffective, powerless, subject to and victim of events and circumstances and conditions of nature or of other specks of dust.

Whilst in reality you can have a much broader perception such that you have intimate knowing and knowledge, and knowledge means having experience. Having information is not necessarily knowledge. Having read a book or listened to someone is not necessarily knowledge. But you can have knowledge of this vaster greater body of yours as to radically metamorphose, even transmute your understandings of selfhood, what is self.

Now, our specific thrust is to also engage experience from which a certain amount of knowledge will blossom within you. But we needed to lay down this foundation, this platform and add a bit more to it. When you look about the world, when you cast your senses, your eyes, your sense of smell, your sense of touch, your hearing and so on, you receive information and that information has to match the base of data you have already acquired about said physical world that relates specifically to the official line of consensus reality.

But there is so much more information that your sense are also giving you that literally gets filtered out by the ego construction according to your own instructions in the form of the beliefs you personally hold about yourself, your life, your world, your cosmos, different layers. And a great many people rarely venture forth from the first layer. Even less venture forth from the second layer. And there is nothing wrong with these perceptions because they keep the individual, the personality functioning within its own parameters, within its own program.

There are other ways to understand that much more and it involves not only the senses that you now have but inner senses up to and including the imagination as you classically label the imagination. It is a fun place to visit but you must not make close friends with it because it may lead you astray as you are told from infancy. Is that not correct?

JOHN: Daydreaming.

KRIS: California? (Laughter)

PAUL H: It’s true!

KRIS: Indeed now, the imagination itself is a unique property, not unique to human beings, but in the human being it attains a different threshold and it ties into all of your physical sense and it could be considered an (telephone interference occurs)

Is the connection still on?

MARK: Paul?

PAUL H: We’re here. But we missed the last word. (A beep is heard on the phone connection)

KRIS: This is Arindal trying to reach you.

MARK: Should we answer?

KRIS: But it would not work.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Now this is important to consider that the imagination itself ties into all of your physical senses, all of your inner senses and is itself a sense. And we will be using it shortly in such a manner that you may have a direct conceptual experience of what the so-called external physical world and the cosmos might be.

Now, we ask what is the time?

MARK: 8:58

KRIS: Indeed then. Now we suggest a small break and if you wish try to reconnect with Arindal.

PAUL H: Alrighty.

(Break begins at 8:59.)

Serge attempted to reconnect with Marcy by telephone with no luck. (Later it was learned that her ISP had gone offline and service wasn’t restored until after the session was over.)

There was further discussion about the vastness of essence as Kris was describing it with the various simultaneous worldviews all incorporated at once.

John mentioned that although Kris said that in our view the world was already here when we are born into it, he [Kris] never finished that thought that the world was not there before you came and when you go, the world goes with you.

Mark offered an analogy of each essence receiving a ‘script’ which contains all the cast and characters and props, and each essence reads this script and creates its own version of the script, i.e. this physical reality. In other words each person perceives the energies around them and expresses these energies according to their own worldview, thus creating the world they see around them. And each person’s reality is uniquely their own according to their interpretation of the energies they perceive.

John remarked that not only do we have many worldviews contained within each of us; we actually have ALL worldviews within each of us.

Paul discussed how Kris had outlined the integral worldview moving from pluralistic to integral in the same vein as Ken Wilber and then also went into the concept of parsecs and how we are creating worlds and dimensions on a large scale as essence.

Myrna mentioned that when Kris said everyone was going to engage their imagination that this was her experience of the Healing the Heart weekend workshop, i.e. understanding in another way besides intellectually because it not possible to get the feeling of the vastness of consciousness through the rational faculties.

Paul remarked how Kris was once again planting seeds, reading the group energy to discern in which direction to go with the information he offers.

(Session resumes at 9:10.)

KRIS: Now we hope that you have had a good break and that you have experienced your cacophony to a great degree.

(Yes)

And we hope that somehow or other you are also strapped in for the ride. (Laughter)

PAUL H: Always. As always.

KRIS: Now as we have suggested most people would have a difficult time understanding that their environment is also part of who they are and not a thing that exists separate from themselves or that events and circumstances in another part of the world, including another part of the world, may also be part of their expression. And even with individuals who have read material from either Seth or Elias or ourselves or others, even such individuals are often tended to think that events and conditions and circumstances that occur on other parts of the world do not really have anything to do with them personally because they think they do not hold or engage beliefs in that way.

But our expressing here is that it is still a fine thing to be in denial in this point and this stage of the game, but the greater reality is that because you think you do not hold or engage a belief about an event or a circumstance or a condition somewhere else in the world does not equate to not having beliefs. You hold and engage all beliefs and all worldviews as you have properly intuited. The matter is what beliefs and worldviews you are focusing upon, but just because you are not focusing upon your teenage or young adult self does not mean that you were never that self, even though you are something and someone different in this moment.

And simply because you are not focusing upon your adult or mature self at this moment does not mean that that self is non-existent. They all exist. And our offering is to help engage an even wider perception of the nature of your reality so that you can acknowledge, address and accept even more of what self is. Even the self that is expressed within 3-dimensional physical reality is indeed, to use your words, very big. Even that self has an existence beyond the ideas of your self. It is a matter of recognizing it, therefore acknowledging, addressing and accepting.

So this covers much territory. And indeed everything that is and everything happening up to and including the very world you live in, you have your being in, is an intimate part of and an expression of self. Each event, condition, part of the world, including the world, represents unique aspects of you up to and including the earth. As we have suggested in the past, the other is you and the other entertains his or her own multiple worldviews and the other is you.

Thus there is indeed some mind stretching and brain twisting to be had here. It is meant to stretch, to broaden, to widen what you understand self to be. Traditionally accepted views of self to be nothing more than the boundaries of your skin is still valid, but that is one part of you, whilst there is that much more of you to be experienced.

Thus we would like to offer an exercise, a small practice, another type of Practice of Perspective if you are all in agreement.

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: And are you in agreement?

MARK: That’s your cue.

CASTAIC: Yes

KRIS: Indeed then, consider that when you are focused in one direction that experience of consciousness can indeed be the physically expressed particle of consciousness whilst everything else becomes a wave. But as soon as you alter your focus that which represented itself as a wave becomes the particles whilst that which was the particles takes on the form of the wave, constantly undulating and oscillating.

And as you continue to hear the sound of our voice, allow yourselves to sit comfortably and if you desire you may close your eyes for better seeing and engage soothing deep breaths that relax your physically imaged self. And with each breath that you take your body becomes relaxed, acquires a soothing stance. Your breathing and your heart rate fall into a pattern similar to when you are engaged in deep sleep, but your minds and awareness are clearly focused on the exchange we have with each one of you.

And using the sound of our voice you relax the muscles of your body from head to toe, allowing all tension to dissipate so that as occurs in a deep sleep state the cells of your body regenerate, heal themselves, energize themselves and your minds and awareness are clearly focused upon the energy of our voice and the exchange the voice has with you.

And as you continue the relaxation and the exchange with the voice and the tone and the sound of it you allow yourself, you can allow yourself to stretch the usual definitions of the physical senses so that somehow or other you not only hear the tone and the energy in the voice as it continues to exchange with you, but you can sense that energy and its rhythm and its potency so that you can allow yourself to interact with the voice even with your inner eyes. And through the auspices of your imagination you can see the energy in this voice. You may even be able to smell and taste it and touch it in a variety of ways through the auspices of your imagination.

And as you continue to listen to the sound and the energy in this voice and its exchange with you any other sounds; other ambient sounds in your environment are incorporated into your experience. And you may even allow yourself to dissolve the regular definitions of sense perception.

And as you sustain yourself with the energy of this voice allow your senses and your sensory perceptions to reach beyond your ideas of your self so that you can interact with the energies of the others. You may sense, smell, touch, taste, see, hear in completely different and new ways, a reconfiguration of your normally used sensory perceptions.

And as you continue to expand your perceptions with the energies of this voice, allow your awareness to interact with forms that may be in the room you are in and sense their energy patterns as well, whether they be walls, tables and chairs or bodies or machines. And continue casting your energies about yourself, knowing that at some deep level of your being this is still an expression of you in a unique manner, whether it be even other buildings, the trees that appear to exist outside, the wind rustling through the leaves of the tree, the roots of the tree that dig deep into the soil as another expression of you, and that psychologically you are deeply connected to all of these forms, whether they are perceived by your senses in a normal fashion or not.

Allow yourselves to perceive the clouds and the earth and the water, even up to and including the planet itself with its myriad life forms, apparently suspended in the vacuum of space, including the so-called vacuum of space. Sense its energies and continue reaching out to the other planets that compose your Solar System, even the planets that may not be visible to the naked eye.

And continue expanding, sensing the psychological density of this energy that is you, that creates the planets and the Solar System and sustains it. Reach out in all directions to the very ends of the Solar System only to come across other Solar Systems that are found within the Milky Way galaxy. And recognize that all of these represent other areas of your own self, other expressions of your own nature that could not be expressed physically in any other way for it is in the nature of those energies to be expressed as they exist and appear whether you see them or not.

And continue stretching the very boundaries of your perceptions to include many other galaxies as far into the cosmos as you dare venture, knowing that these are also other parts of your universal body, an area of your being you rarely venture to discover. There might be countless astronomical phenomena, cosmic phenomena in these areas of your being. And continue to observe, to sense, to acknowledge, to address and to accept the vastness of your self, even if you know this is not the complete self.

And as you continue to breathe, we ask you to slowly draw your awareness back towards the self that is in the room, that breathes, whose heart is pumping blood into the veins that you know as your physical body. And again still using the energy of this voice allow yourself to return fully into the body, knowing that you are safely and lovingly couched and nurtured, even if the body you know as yourself is but one expression of a vaster body that you have just explored.

Breathe deeply and profoundly and on the count of three you will open your eyes and be completely focused in your room, in your body. One. Wiggle fingers and toes, take a deep breath and exhale with a sigh. Two. Move your shoulders and neck and legs and arms. And Three. Be fully awake and aware of your traditional self.

Now, just to know that you are all here, clap your hands twice real loud. (Everyone claps.)

Indeed, now that wakes you up.

We will give you a very small break to reconcile yourselves.

PAUL H: Thank you.

(Break begins at 9:40.)

There was discussion about the exercise, how people reacted to it both physically and mentally and how people were feeling the need to ‘regroup.’ Paul mentioned that he ‘was’ a spiral galaxy and there were little ‘hand’ people with little feet. Mark suggested that was like “Thing” from The Adams Family.

It was mentioned that Kris did not specify whether the exercise was taking them inward or outward.

(Kris returns at 9.42)

KRIS: Now we did say a short break. Do understand that this is preliminary and you can continue exploring self in such a manner and though we did not specify going in or out. It was for the reason in that there is no in and out as such. Does that make sense?

VARIOUS VOICES: Yes. No. (Everyone cracks up)

MARK: There is no yes or no. (Laughter)

KRIS: But we do encourage you to keep exploring and expanding your understanding of self, keeping in mind that this particular exercise only went into one specific direction, and though there are no directions per se, there is always self. There is always consciousness. And when you take your birth into the world that appears to have existed before you, this is not necessarily its true properties. That world that you appear in IS you. It always exists because you are. And the version of it that appears to the physical senses is not the totality of that world but the particle upon which you focus upon. So this is only one small unit within the parsec of consciousness.

And beyond that at this point to provide a unit of measure is somewhat difficult because in truth there are no fixed 3-dimensional dimensions to the self because as soon as you alter focus from one particle into another direction which changes the wave into another particle, you create another dimension, a completely different reality. And that is the beautiful artistic creative power at your disposal.

And we specifically engaged this Practice of Perspectives meditation in the hopes that even a small measure of sensory experience gathered from the meditation will enable you to have a greater understanding in a visceral way because for the physical brain there is very little difference between a so-called physical/objective and inner or subjective experience. They both have similar blueprints. Do you follow?

(Yes)

So this is another way by which you can understand that you have means to acquire knowledge without necessarily leaving your livingroom because you have the ability to travel through time and space in that way.

Now we fully understand that nothing beats taking a vacation and traveling to a foreign land. (Laughter) But you have many means at your disposal to acquire knowledge, and the knowledge is merely a remembrance of that which you already possess. So this is a multi-layered adventure and its purpose is to engage within you with your participation, to engage remembrance of self in ways you normally do not allow yourself. Does that make sense?

ALL: Yes

KRIS: So what is the time?

MARK: 9:49

KRIS: Indeed then, are there specific questions concerning this?

(Pause)

MARK: None here.

PAUL H: Nothing from our end. (Pause) It’s big.

JOHN: My question Kris is, you’ve described how our whole world, the cosmos that we find our self living in is an aspect of our self. Is that also true for you?

KRIS: (Pause) Indeed.

JOHN: Okay, one quick follow up. As our consciousness expands we encounter things we do not understand as a natural part of that process. Is that also true for you?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I feel good about that! (Laughter)

KRIS: As you continue to discover more of whom and what you are, so do we. The discovery is truly a remembrance of ‘That Which is All’. It is indeed a journey of discovery. When you cast your eyes about you and you see, for example, at a busy intersection or in the forest or by the seaside or on the mountaintop or at the top of a skyscraper or in your livingroom, you are perceiving inside self. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Does that make sense in California self?

CASTAIC: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed, then in this way continue discovering your lovely selves and you will make sense of your lovely selves that much more. And may you discover that your dreams are also added dimensions of self and may they be sweet indeed.

MYRNA: Kris, I have one comment if I may.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: The other night in a private session with you I asked you about certain people in my life and all I did was give you their name and you reflected back aspects of them which was my experience of them and more. What I realized afterwards and I just got a sense of is that you are me. I am you. For you to be able to know these people by just giving them a name means there’s some connection between you and me, if on a very elemental level. But that means….

KRIS: And you are just discovering that?

MYRNA: Yes. I mean in a way that I really know it.

KRIS: Indeed, it has to be visceral.

MYRNA: It was visceral. That you’re me.

KRIS: And that does not negate the fact that even though we are you and you are us, we are still more than what we experience about each other. Always. That is the nature of consciousness.

Now with that we will leave you to your lovely consciousness.

(Session ends at 9:54)

John remarked that he found it interesting to think that Kris himself is expanding and that there are things the he doesn’t know either.

(Kris comes back at 9:56.)

KRIS: We would simply make an addition to your comment. As with yourselves it is not so much that there are things we do not know, but there are things we are rediscovering all over again constantly. So you are indeed marvelous selves. You are merely discovering that.

When you decide to manifest physical reality, you put aside your knowledge and awareness of the whole self so that you can intensify the experiences within a specific domain, the domain of the physical senses. Without that this experience would be little more than nebulous at best. It has to be categorized and catalogued in such a manner that its sweet nectar will be extracted and that you can literally become intoxicated with the joy of your creations. Other than that you would not bother. Does that make some sense?

JOHN: Perfect.

KRIS: Your entire, and though we use the word experience it is inadequate, your entire experience of selfhood within is indeed a RASA, an exchange. This allows you to revel in it much like the child revels in the mud puddle. That is the only way the child understands his mud self and can squish it in his fingers, in his toes, even to eat it and cover himself with it. Thus it becomes intense and truly meaningful. That is why in many ways the entire cosmos is there for your to rediscover as yourself so that you can squish it in your fingers, in your toes, you can eat it and cover yourselves with it because you constantly create the mud or the cosmos. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Perfect.

MYRNA: Delicious.

KRIS: Indeed, now we believe that Mississippi mud pie is considered to be a great delicacy. Any questions in the California self creation?

(No questions are asked)

Then we will leave you to make your own mud pies and we will retire for the evening, returning your lovely selves to yourselves.

ALL: Good-bye

(Session ends.)

Your OWN Voice

April 18, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 18, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Sharaleene), Marcy (Arindal)

Roll Call In New York: John

(Session begins at 7:39 pm.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for being brave enough to want to listen to our voice again.

MYRNA: Always.

MARCY: Wouldn’t miss it for the world.

KRIS: And welcome for you as well.

MARK: That’s for you John.

JOHN: Thanks.

KRIS: (Pause) We are hoping that last night’s discussion did not go over your heads too much. (Referring to Norm Farb’s private session.)

MARCY: Only an inch or two. (Laughter)

MARK: If anything it has inspired us to think more.

MARCY: And argue on the bus! (Laughter)

KRIS: There was much information transmitted in between the words, the syllables and their representations. That is something to always take into consideration. When you hear and read of this type of material one of its main intents is not for the reader or the listener to consider this information as an absolute truth or the epitome of knowledge. The information represents facets of truth. It creates imagery that becomes significant but only at those deeper layers of awareness and to latch on to the surface most impressions may end up being somewhat misleading. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

And this can be applied to the material from other melodious voices past, present and future. They are much like tracks that you would follow in the wilderness in the hopes of catching your supper. (Laughter)

They also are like a map that may lead you either to a treasure or to a destination, but they are not in themselves and of themselves the immediate treasure. Although the words may contain gems on their own, they are not the treasure chest. They are not the destination. So between Point A and the destination you might find many landmarks and areas within nature of great beauty. Do you follow?

(Yes)

But the words are not in and of themselves the treasure that this is pointing out to you. They are indications. The treasures arise out of and from within your own consciousness. That is the destination. You are the destination and the truth that these things point towards. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

Thus to use the words as defining the truth defeats the purpose, the individual looking for his or her truth may indeed latch on because they as of yet are not necessarily in need of discovering the authority of their own self and have need for a representation external to self in that sense of the word. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

The words we use and say or of others can become reflections of self, but they do not represent nor are they self just like when you look in the mirror in reference to the exercises over the weekend, when you look in the mirror you know it is a reflection of you but not you at the same time. It represents you as does a picture or a portrait. And we are certain that were you to send your picture at a staff meeting instead of showing up your employer would have a different understanding. (Laughter)

So it is a matter of understanding where this is coming from and not become confused and DEMAND that our words or the words of any other melodious voice give you THE TRUTH. But we will give you the indications to find that truth. And if you listen well you will hear the echoes from deep within your beings resonate to the words. And it is our intent that you recognize that echo for it is your own voice, the voice you do not listen to that we speak for. Does that make some sense?

(Yes)

(Sirens are heard outside the window.)

KRIS: And our voice has nothing to do with the sirens. (Laughter)

And at the same time whether our voice or another’s, it has to be couched within the context of your human experience. Only those who are willing to sacrifice their humanity would consider that such voices and such information be devoid of that dimension. It must exist within the context of your human dimension. Do you follow that?

(Yes)

Does that make sense to you?

So this is also important to keep in mind because the information, the words, the voice (pause) is your own. This is significant. (Pause)

Knowledge devoid of humanity is not knowledge for it does not give life. And your civilization as it stands presently especially in the Western world indeed relishes an inundation of information that amounts to a few bean hills of trivia, as if that type of information will fulfill you, as if having the low down on every detail and aspect of Paris Hilton’s life will somehow or other educate and fulfill you. It may do so for a select few but not much more.

And this type of proliferation of material and information does not give life. You give yourselves life; therefore the words must reflect that life. This is also why over the last one hundred years material of this nature, information given through energy exchanges of one type or another has dramatically altered and has shown a deliberate evolution from heavily dressed in religious context slowly becoming undressed and revealing its impact and its importance, devoid of many of the ruffles. Do you follow?

(Yes)

And it will continue to do so as we have expressed in the recent past. And this information is not uniquely for the select few. It is collectively harvested, and some individuals may choose to not hear their own inner thoughts and processes and others will with each person exploring reality in a manner that fits their particular sets of convictions. There are many types of information given through these means and they are each varied within their context. They each reflect one surface of the whole. In other words and in so many other words they might all represent a particular decimal in the equation of pi.

(Everyone cracks up.) (This is an inside joke that stems from Norm Farb’s private session.)

We thought you might enjoy that one. (Laughter)

MARK: Indeed

MARCY: Totally

KRIS: Now we do not wish to get into heavy-duty material. Joseph’s neurological processes have to recuperate from last night’s discussions.

MARCY: So do Marcy’s.

KRIS: Thus if you so desire we will simply ask if you have questions.

MARK: Not without getting technical!

MYRNA: I have a question Kris. I plan to have a private session with you very shortly. What just occurred to me is, well it didn’t just occur to me. I had a conversation with my sister-in-law the other day. My brother’s a Rabbi. And we were talking the other day and she was very upset about something. I’ll make this very short. She was very upset about something and was describing someone in a customer service role and was going on and on and on and on about it which is so unlike her. But the language she was offering this young woman was wonderful. And she was saying to this young woman, ‘I wish you had done this with me.’ And the language was right from her heart. It was amazing.

And I said to her, ‘you know, my experience of what Kris has been saying (she knows a little bit about you) is that the world, the planet has a number of us with broken hearts, and a lot of that is because we’ve been so involved with consumerism. And she said to me, ‘perhaps this material could become part of the High Holiday sermons that they give in the New Year, the Jewish New Year which will come around in September.’ And I thought, ‘well……..’ That’s very cool.

KRIS: Do we have to don the yarmulke? (Laughter)

MYRNA: Oh, thank you for that. No. (More laughter) So my question, I’m sure teased about that. And this sitting here listening to you about hearing my own voice, you being my own voice, and how much lately I have experienced a feeling of deep love from you but I also know from me.

KRIS: Indeed, we are reflecting what you have kept hidden behind the wounds in your heart.

MYRNA: So this is very interesting because I seem to be getting poorer and poorer financially, which is causing me some real stress here because I have some obligations I want to meet. I seem to be getting poorer and poorer financially as I let go of the armor and as I come into my joy, as I open my heart, as I refuse to take certain contracts because I am not joyous when I do that work, and I’m confused, no, I’m hurt by this and I don’t know what to do.

KRIS: Now first of all the reason that many people have wounded hearts is not specifically because of consumerism but because of the attitudes surrounding it. It appears that consumerism is the cause, but in actuality consumerism is utilized to supplement deeper human values. Do you understand?

MYRNA: I do.

KRIS: And the root cause is specifically that individuals have forgotten their deeper nature. Once these roots, this nature is remembered then indeed comes a healing of the heart and the soil that nourishes those roots is the love that you feel from your heart. Does that make some sense in a poetic manner?

MYRNA: In a poetic manner.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, what you are reacting to is the gap that often shows itself between the time you leave one worldview behind and enter into another. But there is no need to actually suffer financially. Utilize those innate tools that you learned about this weekend. Utilize your own energies and those feelings you are developing specifically to entice the Universe to loosen its pocketbook.

MARK: Amen (Laughter)

MYRNA: Entice the Universe to loosen its pocketbook.

KRIS: This is a manner of speaking. But of course the Universe does not play favorites and say, ‘I will open my purse for this one but not for that one.’ But the attitudes are your Universe. Your perceptions are your Universe. They draw those oceans of thoughts to you. Do you understand?

MYRNA: Yes

KRIS: And with the love that you are beginning to tap into can be used, Balance and Harmony can be called upon to create a situation where you are not suffering financially, that the situation be rectified to meet your needs. And see this not only occurring but fulfilling you. New forms of contracts may come to you. New industries may reach you. Allow them to do so. Fighting off the ones you do not want does not bring the ones you want. Again a question of what you are concentrating upon. Does that make some sense?

That will bring results. It may not bring six-figure income overnight, but it will start bringing a change much like you sense the weather front is changing by the alteration in the barometric pressure which can be felt in a variety of ways even by a change of direction in the breeze. So we are painting pictures with words but your unconscious works with pictures. So see if there is a change in the direction of the wind.

MYRNA: Okay. That’s happened actually. Thank you. There has been a change.

KRIS: So fan the breeze to intensify it. Be like the blacksmith who wants to create sufficient heat to melt the iron. He will work the bellows harder. Does that make sense?

Now it is up to you which shoe you will put on the horse.

MYRNA: Thank you.

KRIS: Do you have a question, listening ever so quietly on the telephone?

JOHN: Not that I can think of right now.

KRIS: (Speaking to Mark) Then perhaps we will suggest that somehow or other the means are found to have more private discussions for the simple fact that you have noticed the difference over the weekend and over last night and tonight. Having such sessions increases Joseph’s capacities to open his awareness in different ways still from that which he uses to exchange with us. The nature and the directions of this psychological weather front will bring new weather patterns just as for you (Myrna) in your situation. This brings about many different kinds of benefits. But they can only be experienced by engaging in the process.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:07

KRIS: Perhaps we will give you a small break.

(Break begins at 8:07.)

Mark commented that at the end of the first segment Kris was suggesting that Mark and Serge have private sessions with him at least once a week. Mark said that he is looking forward to getting back to the walks with Kris as the weather improves. Mark commented that some of the best material comes from the walks that he and Serge take in the summer in the evening where Kris will pop in and impart information.

John asked about what Kris had related in the past about a planetary war, why were they fighting, etc. He remarked that he didn’t understand why they would create such a conflict when they were supposedly so advanced and understanding of creating their own reality. Mark responded that the four planets Mars, Earth, Venus and Varuun were colonies of the original planet Rokar and may not have understood the original concepts as well. It was pointed out that according to Kris these peoples had advanced weapons of ‘mantra’ destruction.

Marcy mentioned that being technologically advanced does not necessarily go hand in hand with being spiritually advanced and that often people will latch onto a small piece of information and immediately turn it to non-beneficial uses.

Mark said that after the inter-planetary war there were a million years of peace and it was suggested that it would have taken a long time to balance that period of war.

Myrna asked if others got the impression that Serge was needing to rest after the weekend. Serge said that he did not necessarily feel tired or that he did not want to do the session. She also said that she had the sense that Kris was very insistent that we know that these are our own voices and she wondered why.

Marcy mentioned that what Kris was saying was going beyond those in the room.

(Kris returns at 8:14.)

KRIS: In that you are correct. Our material is not always directed specifically to your lovely selves but to other lovely selves that will indeed read these words. This is part of the individual’s abilities to take responsibility for their creations instead of saying, ‘this one said and that one said.” This is similar to what is in the heart. When the heart is hurt the communications are often scrambled in exactly the same way you scramble eggs. It may somehow or other have the general consistency of the original, but it is scrambled. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

That is the extent of our culinary expertise. (Laughter)

MYRNA: What might be an example of that?

KRIS: When the heart is hurt, when there is a schism in the human personality, when there is no more balance in the individual’s own duplicities then the individual abandons his own or her own sense of authority and the ability to determine one’s life path and hands that over to apparent unseen forces. Not horses, forces. (Laughter) As if somehow or other the individual has to abandon himself or herself to the fates.

When there is eventual recognition of that condition then once again one’s own power is returned because it is recognized as being rooted in the individual and not the other way around. The material is now the authority. The melodious voices and their words are not the authority. We ourselves and the words we use are the reflections of those truths that you do not listen for. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

When you recognize that you are truth, the truth that you seek, then we will consider that our purpose has been fulfilled. Then we find others who have forgotten their voice. Does that also make sense?

So in some manner we will always remind you of that truth and hopefully never let you forget that your lovely selves are the source of truth. Your religions, your sacred texts, your sciences, your technologies are facets of all of these truths. Even your physical forms are other types of facets of those eternal truths, but they are not the truth. Again the painting of the Mona Lisa is not the Mona Lisa. It is a painting. It is a portrayal, a facsimile of the original. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

MYRNA: Yes. What has helped me know, and I don’t mean a mental construct, know my eternalness or my vastness, my eternalness, hasn’t been so much your words but the exercises that have been offered.

KRIS: Indeed

MYRNA: Yes

KRIS: Because these yogas are another means by which you recognize what the words are trying to wake in you.

MYRNA: Right. What I find, and this is as a teacher/trainer is in trying to digest the words mentally, in fact I’ve been pleased I don’t even try anymore, I just let your voice go inside of me maybe when I’m sleeping. I’m very pleased about that. There is something, Kris, I’d like to suggest, a direction in your work that has impacted me more than the other melodious voices. And they’ve all been wonderful. And that is the exercises have taken me into that heroic dimension.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: If there was a way to continue developing those exercises where someone like me who is always in her head gets out of my head, I think there’s great opportunity there.

KRIS: Indeed, and the material and the yogas work in tandem, they work together. The words reach one layer of yourself and awareness of self, then trigger cascading effects within your own personality construct. Then the exercises reach another portion of the self and the brain and together you receive, you give yourself satori, enlightenment. One thing that should be mentioned is that enlightenment or satori is itself a process. You flicker in and out of, you step in and out of that state, and eventually you create a sufficient balance that it appears seamless. But even the most enlightened individual, according to classic definitions, still has to address to his or her humanity.

Those that deny their humanity, claiming a superior awareness, have only achieved one layer of satori. That is like seeing the lake and thinking that is sufficient. Now you know everything there is about the lake. But never once taking the time to dip your toe in the water or swim in it or investigate what is under the surface. Does that make some sense?

(Yes)

So doing exercises and letting the words flow both work in tandem. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Indeed. Now as to this greater war, as Arindal has pointed out technological advancement is not a sign of enlightenment, neither is a chicken farmer who does not use technology necessarily more enlightened. He is perhaps more feathery. (Laughter) But nonetheless in the ancient myths in the Vedic literature there are many representations of advanced intelligent individuals who become characterized as demons, great beings that usually try to defile nature but at an unprecedented scale in a manner that all of the earth’s resources in one way or another are their own, which is in your modern terms the epitome of greed, wanting to make certain that they are the only ones who have access to that which brings the betterment of life in material terms at the expense of everyone else, creating a huge imbalance in the structure, social or psychological.

Thus there is a collective set of Nine Sisters since they exist within each individual. They are part of the grid of perception in your dimension. Then collectively the rest generates balance and harmony through situations that you consider horrendous such as warfare and wholesale slaughter of human life. The individuals who engage in such processes may be unconscious of their decision to participate, but they too fall within the categories of the foundational belief structures. This enables specific life dramas, sometimes on an almost cosmic scale, sometimes on the scale of somebody’s backyard, but nonetheless the systems are engaged.

This is part of the drama that exists within the very construction of physical reality and everything pertaining to it. This is an important distinction because there is the belief that an enlightened society must always behave in such and such a manner. Many people for instance keep searching for Atlantis because they believe they were of such an advanced stage that everything was hunky dory and pretty and beautiful, never a harsh word expressed, forgetting that the main story of Atlantis is of a war that destroyed the nation.

There are many individuals who have and had expressions in those realities, and they are here in some form or another, they have expressed themselves in this time in order to try and create a specific sense of balance. There are many individuals who perished in these interstellar wars that we have described who are also here. There are many individuals who participated in many of the wars in your own cultures; the First World War, the Second World War and so on, who have seen the worst of human behavior, who might like to offer other alternatives, and they exist and they can be acted upon. But until you let go of the beliefs that war is the only way to bring peace and until you stop believing that peace by peaceful means is for the weak, you will engage indeed the shadow side of duplicity. So it is something to consider for your present civilization. Does that make some sense to you?

(Yes)

MARK: So Varuun was destroyed out of greed in the control of the natural resources and trying to reconstruct that balance and harmony.

KRIS: Natural resources does not only mean mineral and vegetable. Human beings are also sometimes considered natural resources, enslavement and so on. Your own United States has experimented along those lines and there are still repercussions even though so many decades have now passed. There are some Muslim countries that keep such a practice, though it is not well known. There are other nations who still consider this as a viable means. But eventually your race will recognize that there are other means, alternatives to maintain your well being, even though this may take some time.

There are those who believe that by the coming of 2075 or so, that the shift of consciousness will now grind to a halt because everything is Utopia, everything will be in paradise like situations. And again the private personal beliefs of the individuals holding such notions are never examined because it appears as a matter of fact that this is what will happen. But this is not the case. Do you have other questions?

MARK: Why did the Earth survive?

KRIS: There were sufficiently aware individuals to prevent on this planet the disaster that was occurring on others. And not all of the individuals on these other planets perished as we have described. Many were also sufficiently aware and had foreknowledge of upcoming disasters and decided to leave. Some of those situations were not unlike the events that transpired when your peers discovered, we will rephrase that, found out that there was an entire continent they could occupy because the supposed savages were not using the land and its resources in an effective manner. This is a better description.

MARK: Indeed

KRIS: There was no discovery. Do you have other questions?

MARK: Yes, Varuun. The weapon of mantra destruction – did that come externally from the planet or was it from individuals on the planet?

KRIS: Moreso individuals on all of the planets involved. When such a mantra is unleashed devastation is not far behind, but if one is not quick enough to complete the ritual and the mantra and another mantra finds its target then you have double devastation.

MARK: Such as Varuun.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Such as Mars, the planet’s still there and Venus, the planet’s still there.

KRIS: Indeed, this was an error in the human experience that many have chosen to bury and forget, not so much out of personal pain, grief and loss but out of a collective shame to have allowed situations to get out of hand to that degree. So it is perhaps not the only explanation, but it adds an explanation to the reason why so many in your culture have actually cultivated religious concerns deeply tied with personal shame, unworthiness, and a sense of being flawed.

MARK: That I understand.

MARCY: I guess for me what you said about the fact that the reason the Earth was not destroyed was that there were enough people here that were of sufficient awareness to prevent that sort of gives me hope. I mean I love my country but the present government does not represent my worldview, and sometimes I feel (pause) I don’t want to say powerless because I don’t feel powerless but I look around my country, the United States, and I say, ‘what’s happening here?’ There are so many of us that DON’T buy into this power-over, this fear worldview, and so maybe we can have an influence, do it again.

KRIS: There is also on your part and on the part of other individuals that share similar thoughts, there is an understanding that even though the present U.S. government does not represent your views, there is sufficient interest to allow the system to explore its own possibilities and the potentials they have at hand because some of those possibilities, some of those potentials can indeed lead into areas that DO represent your worldview, so they exist side by side, but some are slightly eclipsed due to an over fixation upon the present administration’s own failings in their own way. Does that make some sense?

MARCY: Yes, it sure does. That’s part of the reason that I don’t read the news because don’t want it in my head because then I worry about it, and so it’s better for me to just focus on my own thing, my own reality, doing what I can, being as happy as I can.

KRIS: Indeed, it is an appropriate approach. Does that make sense?

MARCY: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Any questions John?

JOHN: No, I don’t think so. Thanks though.

MARK: I mean regarding the war or something.

KRIS: There are also many probabilities where such paths were not followed. Different choices were made. Different perceptions engaged with different results and outcomes. These are also significant because those worldviews also exist side by side and your present reality, your present civilizations still are aware of those worldviews. Now we are speaking here of deeper layers of awareness, but the awareness exists and all probabilities are considered.

And though at times it appears that your country or another country is going to hell in a hand-basket, there are always collective decisions made to try and bring about a harmonious balance. This is not only at the level of the individual but at the level of the collective always, but it is more difficult to detect once one becomes immersed in the beliefs themselves, becomes lost to themselves and believes that they have no power or effectiveness, that of course Goliath will slay David.

What is the time?

MARK: 8:43

KRIS: Then perhaps we will give you another small break.

(Break begins at 8:43.)

Mark discussed further the idea of the mantra weapons and answered John’s question about what Kris had said about how there was an impact from two different such mantra weapons which destroyed Varuun. Only one weapon was used on Mars and Venus and thus the planets themselves were not destroyed. He also commented that his perception was that there were probably some kind of protective mantras that could be utilized as well.

Serge said that the image he was getting was as if you were preparing to launch an atomic weapon and then someone launches one toward you, then both detonate and you receive the impact of both at once.

Marcy commented that it reminded her of a DVD she had that was a series of fractals set to the sound of many voices chanting OHM, how it becomes hypnotic, and on a large scale it seems reasonable that something like this, a mantra focused in intent by a large number of people who believed they could do so could in fact create such destruction.

The question was raised by Mark that if OHM is the creative mantra, is there an anti-OHM?

Marcy remarked that she believes that energy is basically neutral and its use depends upon the intent and how it is focused, such as how nuclear energy can either create electricity to power whole cities or by being used as a weapon can destroy those same cities. And so many even though we assume that the power of OHM is necessarily creative, perhaps that power could also be turned to destructive means.

Serge also reminded everyone that sometimes the opposite is true. Sometimes things that are developed for the military end up being beneficial for civilian life, the opposite of its intended use.

It was agreed that intention, motivation, and desire were the operative words in such situations.

John wondered about any danger that might be associated with the development of electro-magnetic trains and if that technology is investigated further people could discover that it was a way of creating sound energy and if that is in the near future.

Mark talked about the conversation the evening before between Kris and Norm Farb concerning other technologies, particularly one kind of machine using sound for healing purposes that is in the process of being developed. The sound is at a very low frequency and is inaudible to the human ear. Serge said that the sound works with the molecules. Marcy said that her impression was that the sound creates a resonance within the body and that creates a kind of response, a balance or an alignment of energies to facilitate healing of the cells, bringing them to a more optimal vibrational frequency.

John wondered how much danger there might be that such machines could eventually be developed into great weapons. Mark reminded everyone that Kris had said that those who were on those planets in the ancient past have incarnated here to create balance and harmony and perhaps prevent such things from happening.

Myrna said that she was going to ask Kris when he came back as to what is the prevalent intention on Earth at this point in time and how can we work with that intention? Mark came back with his understanding that consciousness is creating as many different probabilities as possible in order to explore how we create, and that even in the extreme there will be other probabilities of the other extreme.

(Kris returns at 8:52.)

KRIS: Though your question is most admirable and interesting, it should be remembered that your own intent is never at odds with the collective reality that you share. Never! Consciously you might be horrified about man’s inhumanity to man, but the intent of your existence, the intent of your enlightenment and your discoveries about existence and satori, realizations of one kind or another still feed in within the context of the overall collective intent because you are part of that intent. It could not be otherwise. Your intent might be sufficient to help another focus away from and towards something that can alter their lives in a profound manner.

MYRNA: I certainly hope so.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I see that. I understand that.

KRIS: It may take time.

MYRNA: It exhausted me for a long time.

KRIS: But there is no need for this any longer. To concern yourself with the intent of the rest can be far more than exhausting. It can kill you. Thus to concern yourself with recognizing the varieties of intent that you manifest, that adds to the collective and you both create a lovely dance. That’s more of a flamenco, but still a lovely, powerful dance. Together you weave an entirely different tapestry.

MYRNA: Part of what I did for years……you mentioned something that resonated with me, is I used whatever I did in my professional work to help people remember their voice. You had used the expression tonight that people had forgotten their voice.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: So I used metrics and I do private consulting, but with that intention. And I was successful with a large number of people actually in some organizations. I got really exhausted.

KRIS: And then you felt the bottom fall out.

MYRNA: Yes, I did.

KRIS: Do you now understand why?

MYRNA: No, but it did fall out.

KRIS: But you expressed it this evening. You forgot YOUR voice amongst the clamor of the chorus. YOUR voice, as far as you are concerned, must ring clear and above all of the other voices because otherwise there is often a tendency to think that your voice might no longer be sufficient to help others remember theirs. So your voice has to be more powerful.

MYRNA: Well, now I know why I’m going to work with you privately.

KRIS: Indeed. Now does that mean that we have to provide Joseph with earplugs? (Laughter)

MYRNA: I don’t think so. No, I’m no longer shouting. (More laughter) Or shrilling is probably more the point. (More laughter)

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:56

KRIS: Indeed. Now we suggest that we end our discussion with your lovely selves this evening. We hope that you have all remembered at least one note of your lovely voices and that you ponder what other kind of musicals and symphonies are hidden in the cells of your bodies and in the folds of your brains and in the neurons and synapses, and that you enjoy the discovery. Whether you have vocal cords or not is irrelevant. The voice that we speak of has nothing to do with vocal cords.

With that we leave you to ponder the mysteries of your compositions and may you enjoy being both the composer, the maestro, the orchestra, the instruments, and everything associated with it.

(Session ends at 8:56.)

Norm Farb (Ambrose)

April 17, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 17, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Norm (Ambrose), Reta (Leihuu), Ester (Benata), Marcy (Arindal)

[Mark’s Notes: In this transcript Norm and Kris discuss a machine. Please read the footnotes for more information regarding this device.]

(Session begins at 8:07 pm.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration in inviting us for this somewhat more intimate discussion, and we are certainly pleased with your stamina for enduring our voice that much more. (Laughter)

NORM: Well, thank you for being here Kris. I would like to essentially discuss two subjects, creating your own reality and how that is accomplished, and then I would like to take a look at the, evidently there’s a mind balancing machine, in the latter part of this. This is, I have been given a challenge by Elias, and though I haven’t really had an opportunity to meet him or to be in a conversation with him in about six years I feel that I have acquired enough knowledge now that I can really discuss the creation of your own reality and the discussion of the equation. And the equation is a word sentence that says ‘relay the force pattern as a source of tension.’

And I would like to paraphrase before I actually go into the actual discussion of each one of the words of that sentence I would like to paraphrase an overview of reality.

The totality of reality is in the basis of four quadrants: Quadrant One which is the sum of all the Universes that are created, and creation is accomplished evidently by machinery, conscious machinery in Region Two. Region Three is that area that is the region that handles the returning essences or focuses after they have finished their experiences in the conscious, in the Universes. And then Quadrant Four or Region Four is all the rest of reality. The sum of all the Quadrants is All That Is.

In all of these quadrants there is only a continuous NOW. There is no time. There is only an apparent time in Region One that is a very clever creation by all of essence that has the illusion of space and time. We, each of us and each thing is really more than a thing because the basis of All reality of all of the Quadrants is a unit of consciousness. That unit of consciousness is a spherical concentric thing that has the ability to choose.

There are, to give you a reference point in regard to how small a unit of consciousness is, an electron has over a million of these units of consciousness. It takes no time for the creation of each one of the snapshots that we experience as this reality. This reality of this Universe, and this is only one of an infinite set of Universes; this particular Universe was developed by a set of Family of Consciousnesses for the purpose of the exploration of emotion and sexuality. This experience is different than the experience of Quadrant Four and the other Quadrants and most of the other Universes. It’s an interesting, most complicated Universe that we live in.

The number of times that in our apparent, and I’m talking about our explicit reality that we think is the objective world, is a magnificent illusion that is the creation of, a combined creation of all of us, all things in relationship to the conscious capabilities of Region Two, I think of it almost as massive instantaneous computers in a sense. Because of the fact that we have a motion picture image, that image is accomplished in ten to the, the explicit time would be ten to the minus 43 seconds. Hence ten to the 43 times is the number of times that we apparently see in the objective world and our perception of the objective world, the number of objective photos that we have, and each photo, there is no time associated with that. The time is that we apparently see is due to the change in the action of consciousness in the creation of each one of the photos.

So there is the implicit world of Region Two, Three and Four, and the implicit/explicit world of the Universes of Region One and when I’m referring to the implicit/explicit I’m referring to the concept of David Boehm, a physicist who has recently passed on but was instrumental in the holonomic aspect of what reality is in that reality is really created from the implicit world through this holonomic thing, and holonomic refers to the fact that each part of this apparent reality has information in it of the entire Universe.

So the equation of creating your own reality stating that you relay the force pattern as a source of tension is what I am doing as a psyche. In the Region Two I am relaying a force pattern of myself and everybody else in this room and everything in this room because everything in this room has a force pattern associated with its creation. That force pattern is being relayed by my psyche in Region Two in ten to the minus 43 times per second. It is giving me a perception of what’s going on, even though it takes my brain a longer time to develop each one of these photos.

So there is no space and no time, only the illusion of space and time, and this beautiful world that we live in with all the flowers and all of the material here including the gases and each one of everything there is has the units of consciousness which have the choice of being here and in the next instant they are in the next Universe and so on and so on and so on through an infinite set of Universes. Everything has a choice and of course I have a choice and I as in this particular Universe I’m still here and in a parallel Universe I have several Norm Farbs in those other parallel Universes.

And I relay the force pattern of all of this and it’s a source of tension. And the source of tension is the accumulation of each one of an innumerable and infinite set of consciousnesses organized in a holistic manner to form electrons, atoms, molecules, cells, tables, etc. etc., and that is my own motion picture generation of everything in this room. And each one of those is producing a different generation of this room.

So relay the force pattern as a source of tension is my creation, your creation of this apparent beautiful illusion. It is, if this is true, and I believe it to be true, the materialistic world is nothing more than an illusion. So my question to you after this explanation is, am I basically right or can I be improved upon in regard to this interpretation of the equation? And so I’ve said quite a few things.

KRIS: Indeed and perhaps to reply more adeptly to your profound question a small glass of wine might be appropriate.

MARK: I knew that was coming. (Laughter) I really did.

NORM: I’ll have one too if you would. I have a corkscrew if you need it.

MARK: It has a cap opening. (Laughter)

NORM: Kris, have you and I met before?

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: In the fifteenth century?

KRIS: Now in that initial discussion we suggested that Ambrose was a student under the tutelage of the Master but we did not specify that we were that Master.

NORM: Oh, okay.

KRIS: You and ourselves and several others were associates of a kind that would try and work out the next big scheme to con so-and-so or so-and-so out of a few gold coins by promising them portraits.

NORM: Portraits?

KRIS: Indeed and being under the tutelage of the Master certainly lent certain credibility to those claims. However, as a group we usually ended up leaving some of their daughters pregnant. (Everyone cracks up.) It created a different kind of family portrait. Some of us got off Scot free. You did not. (More laughter)

There were other occasions where you were fond of dabbling into deep philosophical subjects. Once with a Greek philosopher know as Epictitos, a Persian philosopher, and a Chinese philosopher. The Chinese philosopher was your first encounter with a cosmology that felt so grandiose to you that you rather quickly became a pupil. This is a very old association. There are no writings from this philosopher.

In many of your expressions you have drawn to you either a very carefree type of life or one where you pondered many of the mysteries of life as you do today and as you often did in the past. There was not specifically any lifetimes where you tried to bridge the gap and create a middleman, so to speak. And we do not believe that this is specifically important because your essence has a love of extremes. Either you think deeply or you think very little. Either you philosophize or you simply think with your feet. Do you understand?

NORM: Yes

KRIS: And that usually involves a fight or flight syndrome. (Laughter)

And both facets are admirable creations. They would have to be; they are yours. Your children, however, even in this lifetime, tend to sometimes want to go to the extremes but tend to stay in the middle. Does that make sense?

NORM: Yes

KRIS: So you have an arrangement with them to bring out a balancing effect, a harmonizing effect. They can psychologically tap into your extremes which satisfies their need thereby encouraging them very little to go to the extremities. So your family unit dynamic does present a creative environment without excessive excursions either way so that overall you have a deep fulfillment in this particular lifetime. And we believe that when both of you disengage it will be with a sense of satisfaction that you have lived life, you have enjoyed it and you may choose to recreate some of those experiences of the sheer joy of those experiences and not specifically to learn anything as some have to. Does that make sense?

NORM: Yes

KRIS: Indeed. Now, your questions are very interesting and perhaps we might be able to do them justice, but that will be for you to decide and not for ourselves.

(Pause) The concept of reality creation as you understand it is not new. It has been since the very creation of reality. That is its purpose, to create concepts from essence. And then project consciousness, units of consciousness, to fulfill every single potential that can exist within those projections. So that is in its own way a task that can never be fully accomplished. And that is the sweetness of this deal because there is known at essence level that this is one of the impossibilities, for that is where the excitement, the rush for living in all of its capacities takes its source in trying to accomplish that which is impossible.

So though you may formulate an equation, it does not necessarily that you resolve the issue, but it means that you bring yet a different excitement to the tension that exists.

Now you are aware that when you bring a pot of water to boil it will have surface tension and if you introduce an object into the water too rapidly the surface tension may break abruptly and boil over. But there is a way by slowly introducing the object to be boiled, where you can minimize the over boil. Correct?

NORM: Yes

KRIS: This is not unlike your inquiry. Indeed this tension exists deep in the layers of the mind of awareness and it will always exist, and the introduction of concepts before they are broken down into their smallest particles will always play a symphony with that tension seeing how far it can be stretched.

NORM: Beautiful.

KRIS: And herein comes an even sweeter situation. Reality as the senses perceive it, what you have referred to as the material world, the physical world, only appears to be an illusion as does time and space. There is an inherent reality within it, but it is translated by your sensory apparatus, another machine, a biological/chemical/spiritual machine that takes those raw elements and transforms them into the beautiful creations that your senses detect.

In many words then your senses give shape, form, depth and dimension to a reality that is far greater than what is perceived, so there exists then models that are translated by the physical senses, themselves beautiful creations. But they are not created by the senses. That comes after. And those models themselves generate additional tension to add to the surface tensions. These are specific groupings found within the grid of perception.

And from that delicately poised tension your individualized expression takes a great loving pleasure in pushing against that tension by its own creations that come from your perceptions, your convictions, your attitudes, your emotions, your feeling tones, these are all tools. They are psychological tools that you use just as the great Master took the hammer and chisel and carved eternally beautiful works of art from chunks of stone.

As artists are wont to say, the creation exists within the stone. The artist merely brings it out. So you will do the same thing, and you do so in lovely manners.

NORM: Lovely

KRIS: So you are both artists, Masters, poets, philosophers, all in one. And when you recognize those facts you can rejoice that the physical world, the physical material world is not a place of misery and sorrow but indeed one where joy waits for you to discover it as the artist waits for his pigments and brush to bring out the beauty of the canvas.

Thus when there are philosophies that say that the material world, physical reality is a place of suffering that means that they have forgotten that they have other brushes and other pigments with which they can paint their canvas because they are stuck in that worldview. That is appropriate for them because that is what they focus upon until they recognize that they can literally switch tracks. It is as if they are only listening to the first track on the CD device even though there might be ten of them. And one day they will accidentally touch the track switching button and they will find themselves listening to another track, another worldview that they hold but have not focused upon.

All worldviews are contained in your individualized, prettily parceled consciousness. It is a matter of knowing that you can jump tracks to another one and it will not destroy your world. It may indeed enhance it. Does that make sense?

NORM: Absolutely. It is as beautiful as I can possibly imagine.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: It is absolutely the creation that I can just barely imagine. It is just gorgeous.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, we have in the past referred to ‘the Holoncentric Universe.’ This is a take off of our expression of the units of consciousness being concentric and we have also said that one unit of consciousness contains all others. Thereby all units of consciousness contain all units of consciousness. Out of that you may be able to derive that you simultaneously exist and have your being both within and outside of time and space simultaneously. And you do have your being in all dimensions simultaneously.

NORM: All dimensions.

KRIS: All dimensions. Now, units of consciousness have the ability to choose. That is why you are able to make choices. Their capacity for choices is immeasurable because you perceive making a choice as an action. Units of consciousness ARE action. Making a choice for them is not something they have to ponder. It is done simultaneously at all levels in all things because they are all things.

Thus a unit of consciousness may not necessarily flicker in and out. That would be your perception of such an action. However, they literally, and we do not specifically want to use the word ‘flicker’, but they oscillate simultaneously in the ALL, the COMPLETE, the WHOLENESS.

NORM: It’s a spherical unit? It’s an oscillation of a spherical unit?

KRIS: Indeed. It is concentric. It would not be possible for a unit of consciousness to not be somewhere. It has, its very nature dictates that it is everywhere and it IS the everywhere and it is the everything. And when most people think of units of consciousness you try to imagine such a tiny thing (Laughter) because you think you are such big things. But you are neither. You are neither a big nor a small body. That is entirely relative to your perceptions. Just as you may think that the space between yourself and ourselves contains nothing except for this table and the few items upon it.

However, this space is actually filled with units of consciousness and innumerable dimensions. But you are not fixed in any of those. You are not focused in any of those. You are focused in that one. We are aware that we are focused in a multitude of them. You have simply temporarily forgotten by choice so that you can enjoy and relish the intensity of your humanity. And that in itself is a most blessed thing.

NORM: Indeed this is as beautiful and as never-ending as you would want creation to be so that one is always challenged.

KRIS: That is THE challenge of consciousness. To discover All That It Is.

NORM: And there is not an end.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Therefore, how can you find it?

NORM: Yeah, how could you find it?

KRIS: And this does not mean that the search for an equation must therefore be thrown own like the baby with the bathwater. But it does add to the pleasures and the discoveries inherent within this reality.

NORM: Indeed. Indeed.

KRIS: So it is entirely valid just as physical reality is valid, even though it is illusory at the same time.

NORM: Right, right.

KRIS: Otherwise you would not have taken the time to take birth within it, to alter the face of its own definitions, to give it new meaning. It would not be worth the experience. That is for another type of experience.

NORM: Right. Now, my essence, my, I as a focus of my essence am in this reality and parallel Universes, this Universe and the parallel Universes associated with this, my essence also is in all of the other Universes and is experiencing all of the other Universes.

KRIS: And do you know why?

NORM: Because he, it, that holon of consciousness has that capability and that curiosity.

KRIS: And at the same time because it IS all the Universes.

NORM: And it…..

KRIS: As is anyone else’s essence.

MARK: If a unit, a single unit of consciousness is in a single spot but is in every single spot, would it not make sense that we too are in every single spot?

NORM: That’s right. Naturally we would be.

MARK: So the question begs to be asked – If a single unit is everywhere, so to speak, is there more than one unit of consciousness?

NORM: Indeed

MARK: Since there really is no such thing as a time or place, it’s psychological atmospheres; we THINK there’s a place…..

KRIS: So therefore there IS. (Laughter)

NORM: So the creation of this particular Universe is associated with chemicals, biochemicals. They indeed have conscious, they have conscious characteristics, attributes, and what I’m now doing is trying to deviate from this grandiose scheme more in this Universe scheme of the characteristics of an amethyst quartz crystal. And I have been told that and have the feeling that it has unusual characteristics. Also the electron has attributes that we really don’t use on this earth yet. We haven’t learned to use all of its possible attributes perhaps, and we will be using this.

And I am primarily discussing or would like to discuss this “mind balancing machine” that was on the table here as some drawings.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: The characteristics of the amethyst crystal is inherent to the non-dimensional part or the non-physical part of our interaction with this reality, and I have a feeling that the non used attributes of the electron is associated with this particular machine and that it can have an interaction within a certain area around it, and I would like to have our comments in regard to these ideas as part of the fundamentals of this mind balancing machine that has been shown to me today.

KRIS: Now. If you consider a finely cut, very high quality diamond, when you look at it you only see those surfaces that are before your eyes. You instinctively understand that is has other surfaces. They may not be perceivable at that moment until you turn it, but then the other surfaces are gone from your sight but they still exist. And if we continuously do so until you develop the means to see the entire diamond simultaneously. One method would be to try and grow very large eyes. (Laughter) But that may take quite some time in evolutionary terms as you know them. But by that time even the diamond may be crumbled to dust. (More laughter)

However, there are ways to get around this. You may create reflective surfaces that will show you the diamond 360 degrees. That would facilitate the task. Thus the idea then would be to use more of your perceptive mechanisms and your brain to think in 360 degrees as opposed to the angular perceptions that you now as a race utilize.

Angular perception has some benefits as it has some drawbacks. That also depends upon the worldview that you plug into. For instance extreme Right Wing fundamentalist Christian groups use a very narrow bandwidth of angular perception. People like Janaki are learning to use a wider bandwidth of perception. Ken Wilber is learning to use even larger bandwidths of perception. And your race is experimenting with different bandwidths of angular perception within the rate of a specific peak of momentum where they will be able to utilize 360 degrees of that. And this is part of consciousness evolution as opposed to evolutionary processes in the Darwinian sense. This also will take time.

But this also means that the electrons that compose parts of the brain, the atmosphere and everywhere will change. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

You will be able to access more of its components. For instance Nikolai Tesla had managed to use a wider lens of perception than many of his contemporaries. He had envisioned many devices that would benefit the entirety of mankind, but mankind was not ready to share at that level yet. Thus many of his works were seized, though some did survive. He had discovered, found out some other properties that would have enabled him to create devices that would literally draw energy from the upper atmosphere into devices on the ground that would have distributed a kind of electricity that could constantly replenish itself because it’s true nature is in the psychological atmosphere that surrounds your planet. Thus it could also be tapped into in the upper atmosphere. Do you follow?

NORM: Amazingly, yes indeed.

KRIS: Now. This device creates an almost inaudible bandwidth of sound and the oscillations are very close to some of these other properties of the electron that alters to a certain degree the function of the molecules in the body that encourages the cellular structure, whether in plant, animal or human, to regenerate itself in a wonderful manner without duress to the body.

NORM: And the frequency is just below or just above our sound capabilities.

KRIS: Indeed, it would take an extremely refined and advanced instrument to detect it.

NORM: At the lower end.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: What about animals?

KRIS: They might not be able to detect it, but just as the dog will hear sound waves that even your human instruments cannot detect, there are sound waves that exist that you obviously cannot detect but that will affect the physical organism. Does that make sense to you?

NORM: Right.

KRIS: This device does just that.

NORM: And it adjusts to that.

KRIS: It does that exactly. It creates then a reverberation within a physical organism, plant, animal or human that triggers the regeneration of the cellular structure in a wholesome manner.

NORM: Indeed.

KRIS: It can help regenerate broken bone tissue at a faster rate, not merely by being in the room but by creating an extension that can be put on either side of a fracture to encourage regeneration of bone tissue or muscle tissue, as an example. So it can be utilized most effectively and it does not have side effects.

NORM: Nice.

RETA: And no over exposure, I assume?

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: Hypothetical question. If we’ve got one machine and put a recorder of some kind in the room and audio record it and create a CD, would that CD carry the sound?

KRIS: (Pause) It might also function, but you would need a delicate recording instrument. Not this. (Indicates small voice recorder.)

MARK: Obviously.

KRIS: And the listener would hear barely nothing, perhaps a soft hum on the machine. That is all.

MARK: That would serve the purpose?

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: You mean it’s at a very low frequency, a sub-second frequency.

KRIS: You could almost say a sub-molecular frequency. But it exists nonetheless.

NORM: Okay. As a young man I could hear bats at about 22 to 28 thousand cycles per second and I was probably one out of a hundred people that could do that. And so I know what the bat sounds like. But now we’re not talking at THAT frequency. We’re talking at levels below what we can hear.

KRIS: Indeed, consider the whale songs.

NORM: Wave source.

OTHERS: Whale songs.

NORM: Oh, the whale songs. Indeed.

KRIS: With the proper frame of mind their song can sooth individuals who are mentally and psychologically agitated, especially (lowers his voice and speaks more slowly) the lower sound of their song. This device creates an extremely low sound wavelength. Depending upon the color of the crystal – amethyst, topaz, emerald, lapis and so on, you have variations of that band and it will fluctuate but within specific ranges that are still low and each may produce a companion effect.

For instance, amethyst may be used within the context of this discussion to open blockages within the arteries.

NORM: Around the heart?

KRIS: Indeed and at the same time blockages that are psychologically associated with such a condition because the condition exists in the mind first. And then this encourages a balance of inner environments which is conducive to a balancing of the physical condition.

NORM: Hence the meaning of ion balancing and healing, true healing.

KRIS: Indeed. Allopathic medicine is not necessarily healing as much as it is a removal of symptoms which itself may prove dangerous because the symptom is a communication that things are out of balance. And if you numb the communication device then you are leaving yourself wide open for other such symptoms, sometimes ten times the potency. Does that make sense?

NORM: Yes. Then could we get into….I think we have an idea of the overview of this. The particular elements of the device are indeed metals, non-metals, motors, wiring, copper, silver, gold, silicone dioxide, chromium oxide for example the amethyst. I believe the amethyst is small amounts of chromium in the quartz. And tourmaline and so on and so forth are different crystals. For example the length, there’s a minimum of three inches in the length of the amethyst and there is also a comment in regard to it could be any kind of quartz, although I felt that the chromium content of the amethyst is important to its overall attributes.

I have seen a crystal of pure quartz, a very low dislocation count, low vacancy count that is in the length of six inches or more. I have perhaps a couple dozen of these in my previous work. Would they be good or should I add chromium attributes to that quartz crystal? Or does it make any difference?

KRIS: The clear quartz would also have benefits and the length would also exert a certain influence. The length would carry….we are looking for expressions (Pause) The length would give a different resonance to the frequency.

NORM: Precisely.

KRIS: And that would exert a slightly different influence upon the effects of the form or body that is near.

NORM: Right.

KRIS: And both can be worked out. What will be created through the connection of lower frequency sound waves is actually a connection between the device’s energy field that becomes active through the rotation, and the individual in its presence. You will not SEE the connection, but it will exist as the latticework of the cellular structure in the upper epidermis does not end where your eyes see it. It continues into the environment and you become biochemically connected to the entire Universe in a manner you do not see but that exists.

NORM: I see.

KRIS: Examine how the latticework of the cellular structure is, and you will see that it gets finer and finer to the point where it is invisible to the naked eye and becomes invisible to the greatest magnetron devices. But it still exists and you still basically exude chemicals through it into your environment. The device creates a connection.

So when we say “You are the world”, we do not sing it like Michael Jackson. (Everyone cracks up.) We mean it literally. The other is you and you are the other. This is meant in a literal way. They are simply different expressions of you. Does that make sense?

NORM: Lovely, just lovely.

RETA: You can even, in simple language, now discover why you can blink your eyes so quickly if something is close because it’s out there further than you think it is and it’s projecting to you.

KRIS: Indeed. This is why there are individuals who are empathic. Somehow or other their own mechanism is more attuned to this connection so they are able to detect what others feel because they are also feeling it. Other individuals are not so finely attuned so they would not sense that connection that the other is their own body. In another way you are all Holoncentric to each other.

NORM: The rotation of this is at a frequency evidently of 1700 rpms.

KRIS: Approximately.

NORM: Approximately. And that’s the rotation of a 60 Hz motor as constructed. There is an iron rod connected to, I believe, the copper plate upon which the amethyst crystal is attached.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: And the amethyst crystal is held to that plate via wires that are circumscribing the longitudinal axis of the crystal in three different places.

KRIS: That can be modified.

NORM: That can be modified. So in fact that is indeed nothing more than a method of holding the crystal so that it doesn’t spin off.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: The copper plate itself needs to be a conductor, a non-magnetic conductor?

KRIS: That would be preferable so that the magnetics are not interfering with the wavelengths of the crystal.

NORM: So the longitudinal axis of the crystal vs. the axis of the iron rod that is rotating – should that be 90 degrees?

KRIS: It is not as important as long as it provides the support for the plate.

NORM: The importance of that is then…..

KRIS: You may even have four rods that support it.

NORM: The plate.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: But it should be magnetic – the characteristics of that metal.

KRIS: That would work admirably. Now, as we have suggested to Philip, this device was given to Joseph over 25 years ago and he did his best without any knowledge to put it on paper, and his friend created it as a means to show that it could be done and it can be effective. But it can certainly be designed differently. Understanding the principles of the intent and the outcome can help to create a far more practical and prettier instrument.

And the device can actually be slightly smaller than this one for a room of this size and a device twice as big as that one can be utilized for an entire house and everything within it.

MARK: Can you tell us how big approximately that one is?

KRIS: The dimensions are on it.

MARK: I’m just going by the photos.

NORM: The one drawing does have the dimensions. Approximately 20 inches I believe.

MARK: Okay.

NORM: About twice that big would be for say a 2500 square foot home.

KRIS: Twenty- five, perhaps even three thousand.

NORM: Three thousand.

KRIS: Which is big enough. A device the size of the Empire State Building would most likely cure American politics. (Everyone cracks up.)

In the common vernacular, that would be a big sucker. (More laughter)

NORM: Now we have to do this with the United Nations too! (More laughter)

MARK: Now, what’s the difference in the sound made by this machine and the QX that we were talking about at the Dinner and a Dead Guy?

KRIS: They work on different frequencies. Similar expected outcomes. But we believe this is far more practical and more economical.

MARK: Theirs is more of a quick fix after-the-fact and this is more of a long-term preventative?

KRIS: Theirs can also be a most beautiful device, but it need not be so expensive.

MARK: I understand.

KRIS: There is nothing wrong with their device because it is expensive.

MARK: I understand.

RETA: What is it?

MARK: We’ll talk about it later.

NORM: There are actually two crystals, one the lower crystal.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: And then….

KRIS: A smaller one at the top in a small basket.

NORM: Many times a natural amethyst can be found that will have a radiating longitudinal axis around the perimeter and they can be three or four inches in diameter they just naturally form this way. When I saw the picture and that nest on the top, would that be an effective methodology of doing the radiation of this low frequency sound wave?

KRIS: Indeed. This additional piece of crystal may even be different from the major one, complementary to each other.

NORM: I see. For example, a tourmaline up there….I’m not that familiar with tourmaline but it could be a single crystal up there.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: It does not rotate though.

KRIS: It is stationary.

NORM: It is stationary. And there is a particular set of wires up there. That particular set, does that have anything to do with the radiation of the low frequency sound waves?

KRIS: That carries a discharge of a specific type of static energy that will be released by the rotation of the primary crystal. Now, you cannot get a shock from it. It is not that kind of static electricity. It is merely a static discharge that is meant to travel up and join with the top crystal to enhance the effects of the primary. It is not absolutely necessary. If you do not have this it will still function. But if you add this then you are enhancing the entire construction.

NORM: The effected area.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: The energy will be…..

KRIS: Intensified in terms of quality.

NORM: The individual copper tubes that are bent, most of them are in a simple dogleg. Then there are every thirty degrees or so like a double dog leg that goes backwards, I mean comes up, goes thirty degrees one direction and then as it comes towards the center goes out like the top of a vase.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: Those angles are not necessarily critical?

KRIS: Indeed not.

MARK: They are to hold the mesh to hold the top one. Correct?

KRIS: That is its primary function. Though the original construction of the device is rather crude, even that created an effective demonstration of its capabilities. And this construction can be refined rather easily without any need to specifically consult anyone. It can be aesthetically pleasing and energetically effective at the same time.

NORM: Right.

KRIS: After all, you would want something that pleases the eye.

NORM: Yes, aesthetically pleasing.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: The conductive, the electrical conductive nature of that side of the base and the upper part of the base, that apparently is important though, the electrical conductor.

KRIS: Indeed. You need something to turn the thing, the motor and the base.

NORM: The base is an insulator.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, the motor itself was originally suggested as turning counterclockwise. The specific reason for that was that the counter-clockwise movement enables, now do understand that Joseph has no technical abilities. We have to use other words. (Pause) But, the counter-clockwise movement has an effect upon the subatomic molecular construction of the crystal, literally elongating the subatomic particles of the crystal, releasing an energy in a different way that enhances its effectiveness. However, the crystal does not need to lay flat. It can be, (Pause) what is the word? It can stand upright as long as it is locked into place, still turning counterclockwise, the rotation still creating the effect and releasing the energy.

NORM: Because the atoms of the crystal would now be expanded in a non-longitudinal direction.

KRIS: Both methods would be effective as long as the rotation is counterclockwise.

NORM: I see.

MARK: Is it like cheesecloth?

NORM: So the effective diameter can be shrunk.

KRIS: Indeed, in a smaller device.

NORM: Just a smaller device and the……

KRIS: Pocketsize (Laughter)

NORM: Oh, nice.

KRIS: We are perhaps being a little facetious.

NORM: Okay. Not too small, but….

MARK: Portable

NORM: Portable. Okay. This is going to be fun, an exercise in consciousness to develop this with you people.

KRIS: Philip’s basic recognition is also valid because as the subatomic structure expands it becomes like a cheesecloth releasing its contents. Does that make sense to you?

NORM: Yes. Getting back to the non-capability of being shocked by this static nature is now referring to another attribute of the electron?

KRIS: Indeed. We would venture to call it its nanotron properties. (Everyone reacts with surprise and amazement.)

MARK: Oh, I like this! New terminology.

NORM: I love that too.

KRIS: A basic component of the electron, much like when you initially examine some of the facets of the diamond you do not see the others. When you look at and examine an electron you do not see some of its other facets. This is another of its facets. We simply label it nanotron. It is a component of the electron.

NORM: For example, electrons can in super conductors move without resistance in materials, increasing enormously the capability of producing magnetic fields, etc. So there is probably….. Does that same thing also produce an enormous increase in some attributes of this nano-technical aspect of the electron?

KRIS: The nano-gizmo. (Laughter)

NORM: Nano-gizmo aspect of the electron?

KRIS: Repeat your first part.

NORM: The first past. In super conductivity, electrons seem to be moving as a unit, moving as a unit together in a phase relationship to……

KRIS: We would from our perception make a small correction, if we can be so bold.

NORM: Surely (Chuckling)

KRIS: Perhaps this will fly in the face of established science, but from our perception it is not necessarily that the electrons travel as in physically moving, but more so that you notice that there are electrons here and you think these electrons move here and you think these electrons move here (moves his hand as if to points along an invisible line). They do not move. You perceive the electrons that are here, then you perceive those that are here, then you perceive those that are here.

MARK: Oscillation

KRIS: So it would be quite correct to think that these have moved here and there. But these have simply extended their presence along the entire strip of the trip. These are the same electrons. They have not moved.

MARK: You’re seeing the flicker. You’re seeing the oscillation.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

NORM: Well, in some way. It kind of created my view of an electrical comic book. (Laughter)

So it’s like a push, a compressional wave that moves.

KRIS: And a continuous one. Remember what we suggested concerning Nikolai Tesla. Electrons, electricity, anything pertinent to it exists and surrounds everything. It is the energy that makes the forms appear in your reality. So it permeates everywhere. It looks like in this space here that there is no electricity (waves hand in front of body), but that is simply because you have not built a device to access that energy here. You have built devices to access energy THERE (indicates the wall socket) but it exists here and there at the same time.

MARK: Do we even know what electricity is yet?

NORM: Now you’re talking something REAL here. (Laughter) So those devices have to have a different nano-tizmo capabilities.

KRIS: Your scientists can work at recognizing the nanotron particles of the electron if they are willing to enlarge their views about physical reality. That is only one other facet of many more that exist to the electron, as you are well aware.

NORM: So this is the answer to the world’s energy problems.

KRIS: It is possible. However, the power barons might not agree. Those that sell to the consumer may not care for such a concept as giving freely when you can sell it to make a fortune? But compromises can be made. Would it be more advantageous to deprive 2/3 of the world and sell to the 1/3 and make mega-bucks, or to disperse and share to the entire world, make slightly less mega-profits but make them for a continuous period of time? It is a matter of finding the right equation to feed everyone because such a dispersal of energy to everyone equally would end energy shortages, would end food shortages and would literally end poverty on your planet. But that also has to engage belief systems and duplicity.

NORM: Oh, it has to go that far.

KRIS: Ultimately, yes.

NORM: That is a constraint.

KRIS: A slight one. (Everyone cracks up.) But understand that the way your species utilizes that belief system and how another species utilizes it may be entirely different. You only explore one facet of duplicity and there may be hundreds of ways. Duplicity does not mean that you have to have three rich and twenty poor. Do you follow?

NORM: Yes

MARK: I keep seeing Star Trek here in their vision of the future where commerce doesn’t exist. There’s no such thing as currency anymore.

KRIS: Or at least a different type of commerce.

NORM: Where currency does not need to exist. And the currency is your desire to do what somebody else would like to have done. And it is your intent in life to do that sort of thing.

KRIS: And you may even have a whole civilization built upon an entirely different type of trade structure.

MARCY: The barter system.

KRIS: Entirely different.

MARK: Even different yet. Imagine what you can’t imagine.

RETA: And even with the barter system, it had been prophesied that it would lose money, with the shift. At the end of the shift you would use your skills.

KRIS: Indeed. There are many ways to interpret and explore those concepts. The one your species explores then isn’t all there is to explore. It’s just one of many other probabilities. There is always the action principle of probabilities. That is why your creations are so beautiful and masterful, because you simultaneously create as many of them as you can possibly encompass, and then you focus upon the one, and you think, ‘ah, that is all there is to this. There is nothing more.’ And you miss the boat.

NORM: The relationship between parallel Universes and the universal consciousness associated with this particular Universe is, each one of the universal consciousnesses associated with this earth in this parallel and another one is slightly different. Or is it very different?

KRIS: There are gradations.

NORM: Gradations of it all.

KRIS: When you have a color, you have on one side all the gradations to black and then all the gradations to white and everything in between exists. It has to. That is the nature of light. However, depending upon the type of lenses you wear, you only see specific bands of that color. Similarly, you have all the various gradations of probabilities, but depending upon the focus of your personality the beliefs and convictions you want to activate, depending upon your desires, your intent, you focus a segment of your essence as a focus personality with this one, but there are thousands more. Another goes here and another here and you think they are all unrelated, but they are not. It only appears that way to linear structure. Altogether you exist then, thanks to the auspices of the Holoncentric units of consciousness, you exist in all of these. Again dimension, size, space, time are a type of illusion, but one that benefits the outcome.

So we have now categorized, there is time, space. Do you remember the other two?

NORM: Emotion?

KRIS: We just mentioned them. Time, space, dimension as a unit of measurement. That should be considered in quantum physics equations. Dimension itself can be a unit of measurement.

MARK: No wonder you never answered my question when I asked you what a dimension was. (Laughter)

KRIS: It was not the right time.

MARK: I understand that now. (Laughter)

NORM: Time, dimension, and UNIT of dimension.

KRIS: Time, space, dimension itself is a unit of measurement. Just as you understand time to be a unit of measure, space can be a unit of measure because it has size, depth, width. These are not dimensions themselves but subsidiaries of space. Dimension can also be a unit of measure.

Now we are speaking here of a higher form of dynamics which has to kick in the higher intent, just as you would kick in that higher intellect to try and find the four dimensions of pi. (Laughter)

MARK: We’re back to that.

NORM: (To Reta) Daniel would love this.

KRIS: It’s a possibility because he is focused in that area to the exclusion of other focuses.

NORM: It would really be a challenge for him.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: He would love the challenge.

RETA: So would you.

NORM: Well I mean, but he especially.

RETA: If he would figure it out.

MARK: Now to carry this forward slightly just to give Ambrose here a hint of what is down the pipeline for this, we had discussed the solar panels in the form of mirror balls which is taking this electricity from the atmosphere, which is an extension of Nikolai Tesla’s work.

KRIS: There is this one probability and many others as well, but a specific probability where his work, his papers, his devices were not confiscated, where he did not end life in dire poverty but where he continued his work and his research, where Edison did not steal his ideas, and continued to invent. This is one of those probabilities where this continued.

RETA: So his work is still available?

KRIS: In some probabilities.

MARK: Joseph and I actually tried to go to a small public library and so on and the internet and research his work, but of course we found so little, but maybe somebody like you might have access to more of and a better understanding obviously of his work as it comes forward to, as well as Leonardo Da Vinci. Many of his inventions that we sort of mocked like we have the flying machine, I have this piece of art on my bathroom wall of the flying machine.

NORM: He has an airscrew.

KRIS: Nikolai Tesla is an expression of the Da Vinci energy.

RETA: Oh is it!

MARK: Interesting. Remember you were saying something about you having hinted at a connection between you and Leonardo. Is there something there?

RETA: They discussed it a little earlier.

NORM: Yes. That we were both…

KRIS: Pupils

MARK: Okay. I didn’t catch the Leonardo part. I just caught the pupils.

RETA: All he said was the Master and thus we didn’t know whether it was Da Vinci.

NORM: Yeah, I’m the one that got ran out of town.

MARK: And he got off. (Laughter) Now Ambrose and I, I’m getting a lot of this surprisingly with a grade 12 education and mostly growing up in retail. I’m understanding this! And I’m understanding a connection with Ambrose and I think I was in, definitely intimate with those groups. Did I get off? (Laughter)

RETA: And so to get in touch with this man’s work and to continue it would be…..

KRIS: You (indicating Mark) ended up running away with Da Vinci’s young lover at the time. (Laughter) And it was not a female. (More laughter) Leonardo had great creative energies and to supplement that energy he needed great creative bisexual connections.

MARK: Balance and Harmony. (Laughter)

NORM: He was really a powered man.

KRIS: Indeed. Most of his abilities lay in being able to easily slip into worldviews that obviously transcend time or space and literally read those worldviews as you would read that magazine. And this information was translated by his conscious mind in the creative ideas that he expressed.

NORM: Surely. In a sense is that the methodology of the dream art scientist?

KRIS: Indeed. The Da Vinci energy was itself an offspring of the Archimedes. Together Archimedes, Da Vinci, Tesla, if these three beings were present in the same room they would contain more knowledge between the three of them than the combined scientists in your human civilization. Each of them in their time were considered the greatest inventors.

RETA: And they were considered somewhat crazy.

KRIS: Obviously. How could they afford then to not be inventors?

RETA: So you’re saying that even Edison didn’t benefit from Tesla’s work.

NORM: No, Edison was a DC man and Tesla was the AC man, and DC is nothing today but AC is….

MARK: You can’t live without air conditioning. (Laughter)

ESTER: Now I have a question for me. How am I related to all of this?

KRIS: Now, you were more than a mere wench. (Laughter) In the time frame of Da Vinci his appetites were large.

RETA: Yeah, we understand that.

KRIS: Indeed. If you look into the recesses of your awareness you will find a certain resonance with Leonardo Da Vinci. You used to come and give him inspiration. You would look at his devices, however crude they might be, even if you did not understand them, and the questions you would ask would inspire light bulbs, even if he did not know what those were, but flashes of intuition, and you did that specifically as essence. You could even be considered one of his muses. Do you follow that?

ESTER: What do you mean as essence?

RETA: A muse?

NORM: A muse is like one of the Nine Sisters.

KRIS: You did not specifically physically exist at that time frame. You used to be so fascinated with his discovery processes you used to manifest as a beautiful young lady. What was even more fascinating and frustrating for the Master is that you would be very coy and make certain that he never touched you. You knew what kind of words to use to diffuse him. (Laughter)

And many times as soon as you left he would try to run after you. You were nowhere to be found.

MARK: Of course. (Laughter)

KRIS: This always dumbfounded him. (More laughter)

NORM: (To Ester) You were a big teaser! (Laughter)

KRIS: But you came specifically to ask him, ‘how does this work? Does this work like this?’ And he would look surprised and suddenly realize that in your innocence you had just given him an answer.

MARK: Interesting that as essence we often do that for self, like manifesting as in the York Beach in the Seth Material, the two expressions that they created for the moment so they could view and see that parallel. But here, is this a different essence?

RETA: Was I there at the time on one of my visits with him?

KRIS: You knew what he might do. You intuited having known him in many lifetimes. You intuited that he might be a ne’er-do-well.

RETA: But did I come into existence at that time?

KRIS: Indeed, in the normal sense of the word. And you made certain that whatever he might do it would not be disappear from your life, that he would own up to his part of the bargain and the responsibilities.

And he discovered that you were feistier than he was. (Laughter)

Now, in that particular lifetime you were not entirely of Italian origin. Your birth family was tied to Ireland, so he had to deal with the double whammy, Irish AND Italian mama.

That is an irresistible force in this Universe. (Laughter)

MARK: And one hell of an accent!

KRIS: You were quite distinct from your brethren because of your Irish descent. You had Italian looks but the fiery Irish hair and eyes.

RETA: I have a doll that shows that – red hair and green eyes.

KRIS: This is not unusual because during the Dark Ages there was one central center of education in the European civilization. That was Ireland where they created many of the illuminations and manuscripts. And taught learning, reading, writing. And there was a second even more secret learning center. And many of the Irish went to Italy to supplement teaching before they eventually went all over Europe at the end of the Dark Ages.

So your father in that lifetime which you did not know that well had a secret. He was a monk that later on ended up being a pope. This was not unusual at that time.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:51

KRIS: Now we kindly suggest to allow Joseph to join you once again. We thank you all enormously for your lovely consideration this evening, for the beautiful conversation, and we hope that there will be many more. (Laughter)

NORM: I hope so too! It has been fantastic.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: Indeed. It has been wonderful.

MARK: We didn’t even get to talk about the high-speed trains. (Laughs)

NORM: There are many more discussions to come.

KRIS: Indeed and you can let the Irish out once in awhile (indicating Reta). (Everyone cracks up)

NORM: She does.

RETA: At another time period when it was Golden Days of San Francisco I was there. Another time that I met him I had the long red hair.

KRIS: Indeed

RETA: So I still had some Irish what ever it was at that time.

KRIS: Indeed. Now in another time this one (Norm) was Scottish, which can be like fire and gasoline between the Irish and the Scots. In the time of Queen Elizabeth I, this one was a lover to Marie de Guise. You were her, or one of her maidservants, and he had an affair with you. So you enjoyed some privileged positions. In that particular lifetime you (Norm) were a most powerful and serious man, another extreme. Even serious about slicing the damned English heads. But always whatever lifetime you choose you infuse it with a great deal of passion. And that is one of his trademarks. (Laughter) And you (Reta) often come to balance.

RETA: He often has a balance.

KRIS: Indeed, and that is what you do.

MARK: And you do it well. You’ve done it so many times. (Laughter)

KRIS: Now then with that we take leave of your lovely selves and return Joseph to you.

ALL: Thank you.

(Session ends at 9:55.)

Norm talked further about the mind-balancing machine and how interested he is in creating this machine.

Serge said that he had just gotten from Kris pertaining to the latticework that they would be mostly six-sided. Norm said that there are actually two triangles which rotate on the top of the unit which together make a hexagon, i.e. like the Star of David.

Serge said further that Kris was indicating to him in speaking of the latticework of the skin, the cells are six-sided. (Like a honeycomb.) Norm mentioned that hexagons have the ability to be distorted and yet still create a mosaic without space between the six-sided forms which are lying side by side.

Mark mentioned that in the week before Kris had talked about the analogy of the puzzle and how consciousness as this puzzle will automatically shift and change to accommodate new pieces (probabilities) as they are added. If these ‘pieces’ are hexagons, it makes this more easily accomplished.

Reta said that they had heard this and related it to the geese that they see at a nature preserve in Oregon. Norm explained that Canadian geese winter there and they have an unusual feeding pattern wherein they will walk across the grassland in a confined area, perhaps a square acre, eating the grass as they go, plucking up a bunch of grass, taking two steps, plucking up another bunch of grass, taking two steps, and that in this way all of the geese can eat at the same time and there is plenty of grass for them all.

Mark also talked about the V flying pattern of geese and the cooperative way in which this arrangement is carried out.

The cooperative living pattern of a beehive was also mentioned.

(Kris jumps back in at 10:09)

KRIS: Now you notice these patterns with the lovely geese, the lovely bees. If you use the same perception you will also notice that human beings act in groups of patterns. But it takes an acute eye and it takes a certain position in order to see those patterns, but they do exist. And as such the entire spectrum of life forms on your planet from the microscopic to the macroscopic exist, function and have their being in tandem with each other. And that is one of the things we allude to when we say that your creations are indeed most beautiful, to create a living dynamic expression where all of life is synchronistically coordinated without appearing such.

Thus your human notions of free will are far different than what you think. You think freewill is blasting everyone else out of your way and having your way, but it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with working within the fabric of life, not outside of the fabric of life, because you are the ones who weave the fabric of life and create this incredible tapestry.

Thus your creative abilities and talents are far greater than what you can even suspect or being to suspect. So when we speak of Masters like Leonardo Da Vinci, that is one thing, but remember that you are a different kind of great Master. Your perceptions enable you to see all of these beautiful creations, now it is up to you to understand them. That is your next evolutionary challenge. You can see your creations. Now understand them. That is ‘Satori’. That is what this weekend was about for you to understand dhow you function within and without and what your relationship is with both of those environments because the within and the without are merely facets of another reality altogether.

We simply wanted to add this little tidbit. (Laughter)

MARK: Juicy little tidbit!

RETA: Anytime you want.

KRIS: With that we will permanently release Joseph from this evening.

MARK: Permanently for this evening. Hmmmmm.

(Session ends at 10:13.)

There was discussion about the various ‘melodious voices’ and Serge remarked that he has never known Kris to ever be unkind or mean spirited, and that everything he says is meaningful.

Norm talked about the COBE satellite, which was put into space to gather data to prove the theory of the Big Bang. Scientists spent four years analyzing the data and found that the data did NOT back up the theory. Because science posited that there should have been a directionality to the data, even though there was not the scientists ‘found’ it to be there and published that fact. In response a group of religious scientists who did not believe in the Big Bang set about to refute the findings as corrupt. The reason the original scientists had skewed the data was in order to continue to receive funding for their research.

It was discussed that the scientific community creates this kind of conundrum because if researchers do not publish such findings they will not only lose their funding but their credibility as well, and so if research produces results which do not align with the accepted belief system, the data is either discarded or hidden away.

There was discussion about Einstein and that he was not even allowed to enter graduate school because he was not considered ‘smart’ enough and yet went on to formulate the Special Theory of Relativity, which was the beginning of quantum mechanics. At some point Einstein went to the famous mathematician who had prevented him from entering graduate school and requested that he formulate a new form of mathematics that Einstein needed for his work, and the professor couldn’t do it. It took him ten years to eventually invent the mathematics that allowed him to formulate the General Theory of Relativity.

Norm also discussed the Bell Theorem, which says that non-locality can exist, i.e. the Special Theory of Relativity is no longer applicable because of the fact that time is continuous, that one photon particle, if it is left oriented and is looked at and then the photon continues out into space far enough and then looked at, it will have to be the apparent opposite. And it knows what happened to the other one and will always be the opposite.

There was also discussion about String Theory and further remarks concerning Kris’ information that a dimension can be a unit of measure.

Serge was asked what he has been aware of during this discussion and he said that he feels that there are things going on in the back of his mind that Kris will need to bring out and form. Apparently it is still difficult for Serge to accept that these many ideas are actually coming through him and that it still feels somewhat foreign to him.

(Kris jumps back in at 11:10)

MARK: So much for permanence. Look at that smirk on his face! (Everyone cracks up)

KRIS: That was permanent in that moment. (Laughter)

MARK: Never say never and never say forever.

KRIS: Now when we previously suggested dimension as a specific unit of measurement, that has to include all the dimensions. One dimension, one unit of consciousness, has to include all units of consciousness. One unit contains the all. One dimension contains all dimensions. It is synonymous. That means that the original Theory of Relativity is wrong. The original, commonly understood Theory of Relativity, E=MC2, is faulty because you have to include the potential for all possibilities. So that is one of the four dimensions of pi. In another manner of looking at this you would have then E=MC(pi).

NORM: Really.

MARK: Oh boy! (Laughter) Pandora?

KRIS: But you wanted to think, so we are offering you thinking food.

NORM: Boy you are. I am walking one foot off this floor!

KRIS: You have a good anchor. (Laughter) You have the potential.

MARK: But Da Vinci had a good muse. What about String Theory?

KRIS: Keep it to this one presently. We are having negotiations with Joseph. (Laughter)

Now, if you consider E=MC(pi), you have an entirely different relativity to the Universe. It takes on a completely different connotation. It no longer exists in the model that you have understood it for the last 100 years. Reality is now completely different. It attains a different assignment.

NORM: The extra energy between MC2 and MC(pi), 3.14158 so on, that is a very large difference.

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: And that energy is part of the energy that Tesla understood?

KRIS: It is related to this. Tesla was a very willful and even cantankerous individual. He would have made a great old goat in your reality, that old. He understood many things, but he did not always have the means at hand to translate his understanding but enough to stimulate many minds in your reality. There are many individuals researching and reworking and pondering his discoveries.

MARK: Including those in this room.

KRIS: Indeed. That worldview still exists. That worldview contains the probability, it is (pi) too, the probability where he did not die in poverty but became the established model for that reality.

NORM: Wow (Laughter)

KRIS: That is what we mean. It is (pi) too.

NORM: I see. Wow.

KRIS: It is a matter of focus. You can consider focus to be an additional dimension to the equation. (Laughter) Now we will now leave before Joseph decides to engage further discussions.

NORM: Fantastic.

KRIS: And enjoy this evening and the smoke from it. (Laughter)

MARK: White smoke or gray smoke? (Laughter) (Reference to the Vatican currently in the process of electing a new Pope.)

(END)

FOOTNOTES:

[The Machine: Many, many years ago, back when Serge was still channeling Edgar Cayce style, Serge called the melodious voice that he channeled "The Trilliums". During those early years, The Trilliums dictated the blueprints to a machine that could be built and used in the home. I have since nicknamed this machine T.I.M. (Trillium Ionization Machine).

The purpose of this machine is to heal and help grow ANYTHING living. It doesn't matter if it is animal, vegetable or mineral, this machine will help it grow.

The prototype was built back in the early eighties and is still in existence. The machine itself is quite clunky and is not very aesthetically pleasing. Norm, after seeing the blueprints and photos, has agreed to build a new and improved modern prototype that is much more pleasing to the eye.

Due to patents and copyrights (of course) we will not be including the blueprints, but the machine may become available for sale depending on Norm's success rate. ]

Just Ask Why!

April 11, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 11, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alice (Miluumea), John (Sohars), Myrna (Sharaleene), Judi (Pele-Aru) and Alex (Darrolid)

(Session begins at 7:58 pm)

KRIS: Indeed we wish you a warm welcome and we hope that you are all comfortable whether you have flown most of the day or you come from down the street.

Now we also hope that you are feeling some excitement for this upcoming weekend. The more energy you direct towards that coming event the more benefits you will derive from it.

In the meantime there are innumerable other subject matters that can be discussed and that can help you to stretch the boundaries of your own imagination further and wider than you normally think you can go. And herein lies one small key to continued expanded awareness – always question, always ask yourself where the thoughts that you entertain are coming from. An excellent idea is to develop a small journal and set aside some quiet time entirely for and by yourself where you will not be disrupted or disturbed by any of the modern amenities like cell phones or other human beings.

And as you develop a nice meditative mood perhaps with soft candlelight, soft music in the background or not, start noticing the thoughts that come through your awareness. As a recent example that we have given with someone in a recent session, for example, you may catch yourself in the very act of thinking ‘life sucks Big Time!’ Under normal circumstances you might simply accept such a thought without giving it any particular attention. It might even be considered a fact of life.

And such a thought with all of its vast energies goes by unchallenged into your reality creation process, while our suggestion is to observe the thoughts that travel through your consciousness like you would observe a cloud travel through the heavens. And when you notice such a thought instead of giving it free passage into your reality creation processes, you would be a good customs officer and ask why? Ask yourself why you just entertained that thought. And pay attention to the answer or answers that will spring forth, for they will come.

And of course the idea is not to censor this mechanism. It is a variation on word associations, but here you question. And when you entertain a second thought as an answer to the first thought, again ask why. And ideally each time you would write this down uninterrupted, highly focused into the process. And again ask why until you have done at least a good fifteen minutes initially.

And we can guarantee you that if you start this process of self examination taking inventory of some of the contents of your awareness, you will indeed be rewarded with a beautiful creative description of why you bring specific thoughts and all of their charges into your focus. Do you follow so far?

(Yes)

Now, keep in mind that these thoughts are the ones you were drawing in at that time. You definitely are entertaining many other thoughts along those lines simultaneously, but the specific focus of your ego construction is not accustomed to multi-tasking in that area. However, this process is not only capable of helping you become more sensitive and aware of the thought processes and literally the thought chains that you draw into your realities and at the same time giving you an education into the mechanics of what and why and how you bring about thoughts.

But at the same time it engages the ego construction to recognize a wider and wider horizon of possible perceptions. And it also enables the ego construction to recognize that you entertain these various chains or threads or even bandwidths of thought, but each one may indeed have its own particular speed and signature depending upon the major psychological moods that you entertain.

And this can definitely enable you to develop some of that other ninety percent of the brain, that gray matter that stuffs your ears. It is not to keep the wind out of your skull. But your brain processes thousands of pathways of thoughts through each neurological process of the mind while the entire brain itself is capable for you. But it does develop and it does need that you develop the capacity to train yourselves in those areas.

As you would practice along those lines you could not help noticing that you can, at your choosing, LITERALLY switch thread or bandwidth and thereby draw in an entirely different psychological mood and as a result entirely different perceptions of the events and conditions and circumstances of your day. In other words you are unconsciously aware of multiple probabilities for you live and exist in a sea of probabilities, in an ocean of thoughts. That is indeed the true medium in which you have your being.

You think that you have your being in this environment, in the camouflage environment. That is the domain of the ego construction and its perceptions whilst in reality you have your existence in this ocean of thoughts which is filled, each thought, with innumerable probabilities. You are usually not aware of the other points because you are focusing intently through the auspices of your beautiful ego construction; you are focusing upon one development of thought, one line of probability, the so-called official line of consciousness.

And by doing such a small practice you can easily become aware that this what you call home base or what you refer to as the ‘real’ reality is in itself merely another probability out of countless others.

Now this involves work to a certain degree, but it is not painstaking work, the kind of work that involves that you recognize where you are at, at that moment psychologically. You may think you are at Danforth and Main, but in actuality you are experiencing the concept of that slice of reality, and as you do so focus in that area, you do deliberately not focus upon others.

As such you can give a beautiful repertoire of resources again by which you can exert your heritage as an Earth God or Goddess and engage an alteration, a change, a transformation of both inner and outer realities. The outer reality, that which is detected by the physical senses as a reflection of the inner psychological field of actions, that can be a highly useful tool when you become convinced that some of the challenges that you have sown along your way appear to be somewhat overwhelming or strong, and you lose sight of the fact that you have invented this or that or another challenge for yourself.

This is one approach that we are presenting. We presented in the past many others such as the ‘Practice of Perspectives’. This is a variation on the theme and there will be more to come. These are different angles that can be used to enrich and enhance not only your lives but the values inherent in those lives and the quality of your overall existence. Does that make some sense to you?

(Yes)

Indeed. Are there questions on that topic? (Pause) You have no questions Sharaleene? We are amused that you have no questions. (Laughter)

MYRNA: I haven’t warmed up yet.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I’ve got a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I’m going to attempt to paraphrase in one sentence what I understand. By keeping a journal of paying attention to the thread of thought, we can begin to understand how we are using our perception to create the reality that we’re experiencing now.

KRIS: And the key is in asking WHY.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: And listening, writing the answers, and then again asking why and see what ensues.

JOHN: [What] Comes up and it seems that that practice will begin to reveal to us some of the other possibilities of this present moment’s realities as opposed to the ones we are swimming in right now? So, is it true that at a certain point when we understand that we can hop that track….?

KRIS: This is implicitly implied….. (John interrupts)

JOHN: Okay, just checking.

KRIS: That again the key is that you cannot jump tracks unless you know what you are doing. It will require a certain degree of awareness, recognizing the tracks that you are bringing into yourself. And again to emphasize the point, you are experiencing this specific point of reality, not only because you choose it, but that is the one you are focusing upon out of choice, which means that you have chosen to not focus upon others simultaneously, which implies there is knowledge of and aware of others that you are not focusing upon.

So the knowledge and the answers are already within your consciousness, within your reach. It is a matter of practicing bringing those in. And at the same time such an exercise can indeed bring about many curative specifics.

JOHN: As we understand why we are creating what we’re creating.

KRIS: Exactly. So as you keep questioning why, pretend you are children. Children never miss an opportunity to ask why. Why is the sky blue? Why is the dirt brown? Why are you my Mommy? Why are you my Daddy? Why is the dog’s poop brown? (Laughter) So on and so forth. Ask why to every thought within that block of time that you bring up.

ALEX: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: When we ask why and we listen for the answers, how can we trust that it’s coming from our inner self and not our ego?

KRIS: It matters not.

ALEX: It doesn’t?

KRIS: Once you start down that path then you will be mistrustful of everything. Do you understand?

ALEX: No. I understand what you’re saying but….

KRIS: Indeed, a simple way to clarify it is that within that block of time you capture the first thought that comes to your mind then ask why you entertained that thought.

ALEX: Okay.

KRIS: And when the answer comes, which should be momentarily, write it down then ask why. Write that down. Then ask why and write that down. And give yourself that 15 to 20 minutes non-interrupted.

MARK: Accept the answers regardless.

KRIS: Regardless and do not censor.

MYRNA: So the question of why the sky is blue is not why is the sky blue, it’s why am I entertaining that question Why is the sky blue?

KRIS: That could be, but you can make it more substantial such as the example we have given. “Life sucks.” Why? When the answer comes, when you give yourself that answer, write it down. Then ask why you just entertained THAT thought. When the answer comes then write it down. Do you follow?

MARK: That would work just equally so if it was a positive statement such as ‘Life is Joyous.’

KRIS: Indeed. But we know….. (laughter)….human beings well enough to know that you will entertain only a three percent ratio of such thoughts to ninety-seven percent ratio of the other kind.

MARK: Hopefully we’ll change that percentage around by utilizing this.

KRIS: That is the aim – to recognize that when you wear pissy-colored glasses (laughter) it is because you have forgotten that you have others to wear too. Do you understand?

(Yes)

Thus even when it rains you can still see the sunshine refracted off each raindrop because the sunshine does not depend upon the sun but instead comes from within. That is the resplendent source of all existence, is the within. Do you understand?

MYRNA: So like a child directs that question, I too can direct that question.

KRIS: Indeed, children have a certain innocence about them. They do not doubt their questions and they usually do not doubt the answers because they trust the parent or the one giving them the answers.

MYRNA: So when I choose to direct the question to another dimension, I trust the answer.

KRIS: That dimension is yourself. The idea is to keep it to YOUR self. It has nothing to do with phenomenons related to automatic writing or anything of that nature but rather comes directly from self, that one that you all need to develop deeper relationships with. Your relationship with your own self should indeed be deeper and more intimate than even with your partners. If you choose to make it the opposite, that is also your decision. But you will thus never establish as fully a relationship with another individual because you cannot establish a deeper, fuller relationship with yourself. And any relationship you entertain in the physical world with another is dependent upon the depth and the degree of intimacy that you develop with yourself, the source of the love that you seek.

MYRNA: The inner lover.

KRIS: Indeed, the inner lover, the inner child, the inner parent, the inner grandparent. Regardless of the label, the inner has to be prime and we are not speaking of an egocentric, hedonistic relationship such as recent commercials. Do you understand?

(Yes)

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:26

KRIS: Then we suggest you entertain focusing upon a small break and you may or may not ask why. And you may or may not get an answer.

(Break begins at 8:26.)

Mark explained to new participants why he records breaks because Kris will ‘eavesdrop’ and then pick up on various discussion topics that people bring up.

Everyone was quite interested in Kris’ suggestion of keeping a journal of their thought processes.

John made an interesting observation that he believes all these ‘ghosts’ give us various activities to do without telling us that ‘the magic’ happens when we actually do them. Otherwise people might get too caught up in watching for some kind of predetermined outcome rather than just allowing the process to unfold.

He also commented further on Kris talking about ‘switching tracks’ to some other probability that would be just as fulfilling as this one and how this really does open up a lot of possibilities.

Mark remarked about watching and noticing thoughts, especially when we are engaged in situations such as taking a shower or sitting in traffic, and how this idea of keeping a journal is just one more tool in that direction. He asked how many of us have had times where we thought ‘Life sucks.’ John responded by saying ‘every time I’m vacuuming.’

There was further discussion about how when we allow our negative thoughts to go unchallenged we incorporate them into our belief structure and thus into our reality and then have to live with the results.

Mark went more deeply into this idea of not only noticing our negative thoughts but pulling ourselves ‘up short’ and doing the WHY process and thereby taking the next step of changing those thoughts into something more beneficial.

Myrna’s perception was to see noticing these thoughts as a discovery and acceptance process rather than as a challenge. She remarked that to her the process is a matter of ‘what do I choose to see at any given moment and why?’ and looking at how that feels in her body. Mark particularly liked this terminology.

There was also some discussion about what these negative thoughts could mean. They can be seen as opportunities to examine things in our lives that we are not noticing, things that have become so habitual that we no longer pay attention. And thus the negative thoughts draw our attention to them and then direct us to more beneficial possibilities.

Myrna talked further about how she has recently felt more loving kindness toward herself and will look into the mirror and say things to herself that would normally be said to another, as if she has fallen in love with herself. She mentioned the Sufi tradition of the ‘inner friend,’ i.e. being a friend to yourself.

(Kris returns at 8:34.)

KRIS: Now as your conversation is already edging towards this, such a practice will ultimately lead you to discover that some of your life’s greatest challenges are whether you are willing to recognize that you do and can provide yourself with inordinate amounts of love, regardless of the challenge that you present to yourself in your life, especially when you question your habitual thought patterns, even those that appear to be most destructive in your lives, unproductive, even counter-productive.

The underlying intent may very well be that you are seeking another avenue to express deeper layers of loving attitude and intent even when everything seems to go against you. This is often the area where individuals are most ready to beat themselves up and consider themselves ineffective. By peeling back the layers of habitual thought patterns, by questioning, you will reveal to yourself that in spite of the greatest misgivings about physical life, physical reality and your existence in particular, indeed the core intent is a loving expression of life at all levels even when you think the Universe itself may have rejected you outright. That is only the result of your own perceptions and not specifically the truth.

So this kind of small practice can have far-reaching implications. And even what we have described cannot be truly felt until it is experienced by you. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Are there other questions?

MARK: Why? (Chuckles)

KRIS: You already know.

JOHN: Do you mind if I change topics slightly to the Sisters?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: We’re planning, as you know, a PowerPoint….

KRIS: Do we have to show up?

JOHN: Well, you don’t have to be there for the PowerPoint, no.

MYRNA: Weren’t you going to ask him?

JOHN: What was I going to ask him? Here’s the thing. We’ve come up with a kind of, just because the material seemed to me to be kind of clumping together at the end, we have come up with a five step process for engaging The Sisters.

Now, I’ve been thinking since you have come out with the three step…you see we’ve already got Help, Heal, Honor, which is a three-step process that we started with. Then I felt we needed something so we’ve got a five-step process was: Identify the problem; Help, Heal and Honor rather than fight it; call one of The Sisters forward; immerse yourself in the tone and feeling of that Sister; and then engage imagery that shows that quality being expressed for the good of all concerned.

Now I’m thinking that there is a five-step process that is not bad. But you have recently come up with the three-step: Address, Acknowledge, Accept. Would we be better to go with the three-step AAA process or the five- step or where are we on this?

KRIS: You are exactly where you want to be.

JOHN: Oh good. (Laughter)

KRIS: We can make it more Zen-like. But that is not necessary. The choice is yours. There is no specific demarcation point as to what is best to use or not. You may even utilize a combination that works for you. Either way, the idea is to engage the process. And then literally strap yourselves in for the ride. You might engage the process when you are dealing with life challenges. It is not the only area where you need to engage that process.

You can work with this material even when there are no overwhelming challenges or difficulties or blocks to your joy. Either way you can use the material, the information on the Nine Sisters, as the means to enhance every aspect of your existence. That includes those areas where there is joy and love.

JOHN: Oh, that’s good to know.

KRIS: So you are not limited, except by your perceptions.

JOHN: Okay. Thank you.

KRIS: You are most welcome.

JUDI: So I could use this process to move from bliss to ecstasy.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And beyond.

JUDI: Infinity and beyond.

KRIS: You can utilize this in any fashion you desire. You may even invent new ways to use the information. That is why it is given. And as you practice, as you play with the notions involved, watch your reality take on different shapes, different forms, different depths, each from the mold of your thoughts.

JUDI: Can I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JUDI: What am I here to invent in this lifetime?

KRIS: (Pause) Perhaps we will give you a Zen paradox. You are here to discover what potentials you can actualize within the bounds of the roles of this reality. Now of course it is not expected that you will make wings sprout from your shoulder blades, but there are millions of other things that you CAN actualize. In other words the entire display of physical reality is completely malleable, like plastic. It will pour itself and take the shape of its container. You have to give it form, shape, depth and existence.

Energy exists to be shaped and molded. Otherwise you would not have physical reality. So this is your laboratory, your garden, your playing field and everything in between. The greatest of all experiments is to challenge yourself to creating as many joyous fulfilling opportunities as you can invent whilst you journey in this form.

JUDI: It’s my experience that energy is neutral.

KRIS: Indeed. It waits for you.

JUDI: Right. It’s waiting for my cue, my experience. So my habitual mind might take me to anger.

KRIS: Without the word “Action!” from the director, none of the characters are able to do anything, no matter how great a thespian he or she is. Without that one word they are as good as the props. But once the director yells “Action!” the entire pseudo-reality is created for the screen and the camera. So you can easily make the transition to physical reality with the analogy, and you understand that in this case you are director, you are the scriptwriter and you are every character in the play, including the play itself. These are all you. None of that can escape you.

So the ultimate conclusion is – what do you do with such potential? What you do with it is entirely your business. And there are no committees that carry any judgments except yourself about your exploits.

MYRNA: That answer wants to make me vomit. (Everyone cracks up.)

KRIS: But you are not on an airplane. There is no service.

MYRNA: Because I am frustrated. I will write this and I will do my “WHY’S”. I am frustrated that I keep bringing into my life certain situations where I thought I had dealt with them and it keeps coming up again. And so hearing you say that I am all that, I understand that. I get it. And I want…..

KRIS: But emotionally there is reaction. Now, if reality were a dream that keeps recurring, you would likely determine that the dream is trying to convey a message to you. Is that a correct assumption?

MYRNA: Yes it is.

KRIS: Now if you transpose the idea that this can occur in the dream state unto physical reality which is another kind of dream for your whole self, then it might be easier to come to the realization that you are utilizing the events of your life to communicate something to your own self.

However, with that now in mind it might be easier on your own self to use the methods we have described as a force to creating scenarios, which is a little more difficult for yourself. Do you follow?

MYRNA: I do.

KRIS: Indeed, as we suggested, this is also tricky. As you peel back the layers you may have otherwise. As you keep doing that you will realize that there are more strengths in you than you ever thought possible. The mere fact that you are willing and able to focus upon that kind of a probability where recurring themes keep cropping up that seem to put a stick in your wheel every once in awhile as an apparent setback may not be what you perceive it to be but an opportunity to come to terms with what you have yet to let go of.

So now the challenge is your own limitations. And when you recognize and you come up against the wall of your own limitations as we have suggested to Sohars it is also because you have not focused on what else you can bring forth into your lives. If you focus on one thing it is at the expense of other things. So when you focus upon specific trying challenges it appears at times that you are stuck in this hamster wheel.

But by recognizing, utilizing the Triple ‘A’ method, acknowledging it, addressing it, accepting it, then you might not only recognize the hamster wheel but actually stop it so that you can get off and let the wheel go on its own. Does that make some sense to you?

MYRNA: I’ll have to work this out.

KRIS: Indeed, you have in other areas made great leaps, but every once in awhile you stub your toe, even when you saw the speck. So ask yourself why you stub your toe even when you saw the speck coming towards your toe. This is a beautiful creative challenge that you have placed before your own self, and not everyone has the gumption and the intestinal fortitude to take on such challenges. Most would deny it, but you have already perceived and sensed other probabilities within you, otherwise you would not have brought this up.

So that takes a strength.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:53

KRIS: Then we will give you another break.

(Break begins at 8:53.)

There was further discussion concerning how to present the workshop material and it was mentioned by several people that what is actually put on paper is not the most significant point because everyone will perceive the material in their own way at their own level of experience.

Alex commented about this idea of being fully present in the now and her practice of trying to stay present in each moment and not live in the past nor live for the future.

There was also discussion around the idea of oneness, knowing that we create everything that we see, that we ARE everything that we see, and acknowledging and being acknowledge by not only our creations but ourselves as Creator.

Mark asked the question concerning the apparent cohesiveness of something such as a table. Why don’t the molecules fly off into space and the table just disappear but instead the molecules appear to remain together in the form of the table? He also commented that the table that he sees will be ‘different’ from the table that others see and there was more discussion about how everyone perceives things differently and in their own way. The concept of color and how people see color brought quite a bit of interesting discussion as it relates to such things as color-blindness or how people describe what color they see. “My green will be different from YOUR green.”

John mentioned that sometimes coming out of meditation he will notice that colors are brighter and richer than normal, and that for the most part we do not see the true vibrancy of colors.

Several people commented about this asking of Why? And Myrna mentioned that she has noticed some patterns of behavior especially related to her work life that she has realized are positive rather than negative as she formerly believed them to be.

It was mentioned that although this questioning of ‘Why do we think certain thoughts?’ might seem like an endless task, it doesn’t necessarily have to be overwhelming. It’s a matter of catching ourselves at the time of automatically thinking negatively and choosing ‘new’ thoughts which through practice will eventually replace the negative thought patterns with positive ones.

(Kris returns at 9:06.)

KRIS: Now indeed you have taken the words out of our melodious mouth. This is a process that goes beyond the ordinary definitions of Conscious Creation or Reality Creation because it allows you to get in touch with those deeper values within your own self, what YOU are all about. It has nothing to do with the events and the conditions that you are asking about. It has to do with whom and what you are. That is the process.

You ARE that process. You ARE that value in your own life. That is what the aim of this is, to allow you to see that you are the value of your own existence. Nothing else in existence in the Universe as you understand it has any other purpose. It is all moot without your being. Reality exists because you create it. Your existence IS because you ARE.

As a result of that mere fact the entire scope of the Universe then expands, literally expands in awareness because it is now part of your own creation, your own perception. Once you disengage from physical existence certain portions of your perceptions are shared with the whole of creation. Your worldview is shared with the worldviews of all other individuals. Whether you understand the process or not at this point is irrelevant, but your worldview whilst you journey in this physical experience is shared with the entire scope of creation so that individuals who have never known you can subjectively know it, even intimately, because it enriches their lives and their worldview in some way and enriches yours as well. You literally become part of each other individual because they are who you are in another way.

So your existence is not static, is not meaningless, is not suffering or a burden but instead literally the gateway, the threshold to the joy and the realization of all other individuals and vice versa. You are the other and the other is you. This is a significant expression, and your physical lives as we have described recently when you enter physical experience in this life, you alter the terrain of time and space and history in unimaginable ways because you are Earth Gods and Goddesses. You give new definitions to reality and to others because the others are you.

So there is a quality that would never be attained in the whole of the creation if you had chosen to focus elsewhere. Do you have any questions?

ALEX: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed. Are you ready for the answer?

ALEX: (Laughs) I don’t know. You had mentioned that when we vacate our physical existence, I thought we are connected even physical while we are here and that we don’t have to vacate to understand that we can be a part of everybody else’s life in this dimension or otherwise.

KRIS: And what is your confusion?

ALEX: Well, you had said when we vacate our physical body and I thought you meant when we transition to the next life is when we are assimilated, so to speak. But I thought we are always assimilated.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: Okay. So there’s no confusion?

KRIS: No confusion other than the one you create. (Everyone laughs.)

MARK: I might be able to help you there. Darrolid has access to all the worldviews, as does Alex. Alex might not believe or realize she has access to all the worldviews of all the other people of all the lifetimes. Darrolid has it at any given time and knows it. Now Alex might be able to tap in the more she believes in it, the more she practices it, more and more. But when Alex vacates, she wakens up enough to experience more of it. A good analogy? (Looking at Kris)

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: Got it. Thank you.

KRIS: So again it is a question of perceptions and asking why. (Laughter)

ALEX: Indeed.

KRIS: Now. What is the time?

MARK: 9:13

KRIS: Therefore, as you know time we will very much look forward to engaging with you this coming weekend. The only thing that we ask is that you bring your whole selves with you, the entire kit and caboodle. In other words be present to your presence on the weekend. And with that we will take leave in but one moment.

Do you have any questions, oh silent one (indicates to Alice) (Laughter) You did not think you would get off THAT easily.

ALICE: I’m very much present with my father right now and I’m wondering if there’s anything left that I can do to help him right now and to help him make the transition.

KRIS: You can engage in a mental dialogue with him. Let him understand that there is nothing to fear by letting go of the mental image of himself. It is but one small unit of his entire being and though it is precious and much loved in any way, shape or form, he still has a lot more of himself going around. Do you understand?

ALICE: Not entirely.

KRIS: His physical form is but one of his many selves.

ALICE: Yes, I understand that.

KRIS: And he need not worry about losing his identity simply because he is leaving behind one small expression of himself. There are many others, each one a blessed, creative endeavor in itself. You may also mentally visualize that he is surrounded by loving energies from those who have gone on before, from those he has only communicated with in dreams and not in the physical. And from your heart send him all the energy that you can. That is sometimes more than sufficient.

ALICE: That I’m doing already.

KRIS: Indeed. Other than that also afford yourself at least one moment to give to you the same loving energies you give to him. Make no mistake. It is as good for you as it is for him.

You may not yet fully understand, but your father in this lifetime was in another your own child. You nursed him at your breast and he was a very good child to you. He was sometimes quite demanding but you understood. We are certain of your familiarity with focus personalities, but you and he and many others in your family have had many experiences together, and even though you find it somewhat ironic that you are acting as the parent birthing him into his next experience in a manner of speaking, it is quite appropriate since you have given birth to him many other times. Do you follow?

In another way you are allowing him to leave the nest. So be sweet with yourself as well.

We also wish to impart to you an essence name. Are you familiar with that?

ALICE: Yes.

KRIS: Each of the focus selves that you see in this room are expressions of essence, of a much larger greater concept. They have names as well. WE wish to give you your own essence name which you may even use as a type of meditation or mantra to bring in awareness of that greater energy.

Your essence name we would pronounce as MILUUMEA. You have, as we try to explain we give essence names usually in referring to very prominent existences for that essence. This one has an expression in another time in another place as what you would end up calling a great healer. Not necessarily one who resurrects the dead. There is nothing left to heal. (Laughter) But specifically healing the self.

This in an ancient time one prominent existence in Crete over 4,000 years past in your history. You traveled between the Hypogeum Temple in Malta and a temple in Crete. You were much like a den mother raising young maidens to become priestess and sacred prostitutes. So you carry very much a mothering energy. In fact maybe your friends even think sometimes you are too mothering. But it is a nurturing energy nonetheless.

So we are simply providing this so that in your own thoughts you can reach out to that energy that is you but in a greater sense even. And draw that energy to feed you and nurture you. And with that we will leave you to your own musings on that idea.

MARK: How would you spell that name?

KRIS: M-I-L-U-U-M-E-A

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: It is a rather sweet name. With that we will let you all ponder the mysteries of your own existence.

MYRNA: I have one question Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Unicorns. What do the unicorns as an archetype….what does it mean?

KRIS: They are symbolic but we do not believe they are in the same category as self archetypes. But they are indeed very symbolic. In ancient times they represented all of that which is unblemished and virginal. Hence they could only be approached and touched by virgins. But in even older times even more removed there were many creatures on your planet that had triggered mythologies as such animals. There were horses on your planet as an experiment in consciousness that flew that could speak the language of men. And this sparked the myths of centaurs who were often seen as educators and teachers of the wise, though not all were so wise. But many such creatures sparked the myths that you now have.

There was indeed a race of winged humans many millions of years ago in an area not unlike Madagascar. So there are many interesting aspects to your mythologies that need to be revisited but with time, with the great prowess of your imaginations and not merely considered as superstitious mythologies. Do you follow?

(Yes)

With that we leave you to ponder your own mythology, the mythology of who you are. In the greater scheme of things each one of you sparks the imagination of others and that is a quality that you cannot deny. Otherwise your world would be blandly populated with inanimate objects.

Now then populate the world with your imaginations and enjoy your creations.

(Session ends at 9:26)

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