Reality Creation Vs. Value Creation

March 28, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 28, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Sharaleene, (Alex (Darrolid), Andrea (Jarasen), Lida (Miriam)

(Session begins at 7:50)

[Mark’s Notes: While we were waiting for Kris to make his appearance we were discussing the previous session of Sexuality and Spirituality. The conversation turned to mankind’s survival not being dependant upon how white we can get our whites, but rather our ability to live within nature and that we need to stop poisoning our air, water and food sources. Someone mentioned that that was not their reality, which sparked a small debate. At this point Kris popped in.]

KRIS: Now are we supposed to be pretty for your camera?

MARK: Yes, but it’s not recording.

KRIS: Then what is the sense of being pretty?

MARK: There we go. (Camera is rolling)

KRIS: Now then. The issue you are discussing is complex. If it were as simple as clicking your heels three times and wishing you were in Oz, then indeed such a scenario would have manifested itself a long time ago since most people would rather be in Oz than in Kansas. Do you understand?

At the same time there is such a phenomenon as lending of one’s energies to a mass event by constantly and consistently feeding your worrisome energies into the process just as in the 60′s during the Cold War processes people obsessed to the point of making themselves ill with worry about an imminent attack by the Communists with nuclear weapons and experiencing the annihilation of present day society.

Interestingly enough many of those same people did not worry their own governments would have pre-empted and launched their own attack first. Not much worry there.

That also did not manifest but it did give your culture a psychological and emotional taste of the impact of such thinking processes and the true destroyer was not a nuclear weapon, but a psychological weapon of enticing the masses to worry on both sides of the camps. And that disturbed enough people that recognition of the drama that could have unfolded was sufficient to reverse the tables, so to speak. Do you follow? Does that make sense to you?

Now, the possibility of such a mass event always existed behind the scenes when it took the knowledge that the U.S. military and government created enough weapons of mass destruction to literally split your planet apart. And those weapons were not shelved but they are in massive storage facilities and can be brought out if ever there is a need that the government feels and considers it necessary to bring these weapons out. So that is why on some other level you still have disruptions in other world governments because this knowledge is not unknown to the masses.

At a specific level of consciousness you are aware, each and every one of you are aware of the thoughts and the intentions of every other creature deemed sentient or not by yourselves and your philosophies and your sciences. So until there is a clarification on truth as this particular wave is about, there will continue to be skirmishes, clashes, and enormous conflicts that make everyone aware of the capacity that they hold to collectively unleash destruction on a massive scale or reconsider their position and examine the possibility that though it might appear easier to simply destroy the enemy, one can only destroy oneself at the same time. And such mass events are indeed an aberration to the constructive powers and abilities human consciousness is endowed with.

So there is always that potential, but you must look at the entire picture when you consider what it is that the individual and the collective are exchanging and indeed your thoughts, luckily for you, do not all manifest in your physical reality. However, there are other probabilities where you might be less considerate and unleash weapons of incredible destruction.

But you must also understand that it is not your conscious thoughts themselves that are the sole creators of your reality because again, you would be in a heck of a mess were that the case. How many times have you thought yourselves on the verge of pulling all of your hair our when you are despairing about a situation, yet you have not allowed such thoughts to actually be real. But the emotional intensity is communicating your despair to yourself. Does that make sense to you?

Whether you have long hair or short hair is not the point. Notice we have closed our eyes.

Now the word ‘thoughts’ is often used in a general manner to exemplify a spectrum of psychological actions that go far deeper than merely the few thoughts that stray across your mind’s eye at any given second and you interpret thought processes in the thousands per second per synapse. So you are barely aware of the complete range of your thought processes themselves, which in a manner of speaking is not a bad thing lest you be overwhelmed by your own neurological capacities to interpret psychological actions.

Thus thoughts in that manner represent the tip of the psychological iceberg. What lies below the surface of conscious awareness is part of but not solely dependent upon what lies above your conscious awareness at the surface level. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Yes

KRIS: This is important to keep in mind. And this is not to say that Abraham is wrong, but examine it in the context of your larger existence. Your thoughts cannot make anyone disappear, as much as you may wish. Nor can you make piles of gold bars appear in your livingroom simply by wishing it so. And to simply say that it is because you do not believe enough is also not appropriate.

You have within your own physical reality certain rules that you have accepted. There are laws of abundance, for instance, or any other laws that you have determined as such. And though there is sufficient abundance to go around in an unlimited fashion, you have to take into consideration the mindset of many, many individuals who would, for example, wish to horde all of the abundance for themselves for fear they may never have enough. Does that make some sense?

There are individuals who would gladly consider that this is their rightful situation. But as this is a complex issue, you need to take into consideration a complex gambit of possibilities and literally consider that your surface most conscious thoughts by themselves do not have the power necessary to alter the face of your reality. But they can indicate to you the potential you have to alter, to transform your understanding of your relationship with your personal reality and begin transforming your perception of self, of time, of space and anything related to it in a manner that allows you to grow and to enjoy the reality you may be focusing upon. That is a double-edged sword.

You always get the reality you focus upon. You always get what your attention is captured by. That attention includes much more than the conscious thoughts that rise to the surface of your awareness. And where does that or these conscious thoughts come from? That is what is even more important. Does that make any sense to any of you at all?

MYRNA: Yes, and it frustrates me as well.

KRIS: Indeed

MYRNA: I would like to work with value creation. So I would like your help in discovering what is there happening with me on an unconscious level. If my conscious thoughts aren’t enough to change my current reality, how and what do I do that allows me access to those unconscious thoughts?

KRIS: Indeed, on the one hand though you may understand that there are unconscious thoughts and unconscious processes, they are only unconscious because they are not focused upon. So by focusing on the tip of this microphone (touching the microphone on the table), you are un-focusing from this room and the individuals and the objects in this room. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: Yes. Just keep going.

KRIS: Remember when children are watching a television program and you call them for dinner, you may have called them ten times but the child has not heard you once because the focus of their attention was completely absorbed by the actions projected on the television screen, engaging them to the degree where the entire room and their environment was secondary to their attention. Primary to their attention was the exchange they were engaged in with the actions on the screen, even though they live in a much bigger environment. So momentarily they suspended their attention from anything else.

The same process occurs with autosuggestion and anything related to hypnosis. The very same principle is acted upon in any situation. This is what enables you to go to work without being at home. Do you follow?

The same processes are utilized constantly by people, though most would not consider in exactly those terms. So this high degree of concentration can be utilized to bring to conscious awareness, the very surface most layer of your conscious attention, anything that is contained within the inner field of events, as opposed to the outer field of events. Simply, this depends upon your willingness to literally enlarge, widen your attention.

You have played with word association before. Correct? A word comes up to your mind and you associate it. Sometimes the association comes before the word shows up. The idea here is to expand the game and to continue the associations until you literally recognize not one, not two, but perhaps ten, a dozen, sixteen associations, to continue until words themselves are no longer the only thing that comes up. But emotional states, visualizations, entire inner scenarios appear to be dredged up from the depths of the unconscious. And such processes can at times be overwhelming when the individual is not acclimatized to this kind of game. Do you follow?

MYRNA: I’m trying to. I’m trying to imagine how one would get started. I’d like an example. I understand theoretically what you are saying.

KRIS: First word… Sunshine… There is sun. Clear skies…perhaps a few clouds… Perhaps things that are caught in the sunshine… A butterfly… A bird…Flowers. Gardens… Valleys full of flowers… Rivers running through the valley giving water to the flowers and the trees… Rivers that come from lakes in the mountains.

And as you keep expanding the scenario you go through various emotional perceptions. The feeling of noticing a pretty flower or a butterfly and as you continue expanding the scenario the fresh air that you may breathe whilst you are suddenly in this light, and seeing the water, the water’s edge, the trees, your shoulders lift as you see the breadth and the expanse of this valley, perhaps even the mountains on the other side with the lake that brings down the water creating the rivers. Different emotional landscapes literally come to live in your imagination giving you an entirely different perspective, a whole new moment that started with one word… SUNSHINE.

Perhaps there are children chasing the butterflies. Perhaps in the house you see a beam of the sunlight with pretty specks of dust floating in the air sending your imagination in a whole new direction, perhaps thinking of grandparents’ house and so on and so forth.

So there might be a thousand and one scenes that are associated each with their own emotional validity and reality. And there can be even other scenes. The sunshine in the valley with the rivers and the lake and the mountains may be found in a specific country, perhaps even in a different time.

MYRNA: Back to conscious creation.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Using that process of widening my concentration.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: Allows me what? Sunshine is the literal level, right? I mean, it’s the one word.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: And I can’t, you’re suggesting, create with just the word sunshine. Alright, I’ve now imagined a thousand scenarios….

KRIS: What you have created is an enormous canvas.

MYRNA: What does that now do for me in the way of conscious creation?

KRIS: Examine the various emotional states, literally emotional realities that you flow in and out of. They are valid because you find yourself in them, but they themselves are not who you are and they are not entirely yours. They are part of whom and what your experience is at that moment.

You can use any of those emotional states literally to fuel your concentration, to give it energy that you can then redirect, refocus into your value creation intent. Not just relying on a small particle of energy but pulling into your awareness a literal arsenal of wonderful tools for co-creation.

Using such energy, narrowing your attention to the object of your intent which is to create one or more situations can have an enormous impact, far more than simply sitting there wishing for a red car, wishing for a red car, WISHING FOR A RED CAR! WHERE IS MY DAMNED RED CAR?!! (Laughter)

There may be many reasons why the red car will not come, and that will be one of them. There is a certain thing called anticipation and expectation, and taken within context they can add fuel and power to your intentions. But first and foremost and most important of all in our humble opinion is practicality. How practical is it for someone to wish to create a mountain of glass in their backyard?

JOHN: It’s not very practical.

MYRNA: (Laughs) No. Where did you get to a mountain of glass?

KRIS: We are making this simple. Many people get onto this reality creation bandwagon and they want to create mountains of glass because they think they should be able to do that. And then when it does not occur, then the idea is ‘this is all bullshit and therefore it is trickery and fakery’, without considering the implications of their own thoughts and their own beliefs.

Thus whether it is the intent of manifesting a mountain of glass or a mountain of gold, neither will manifest. But for instance your question is about value creation, value fulfillment. That is another category of creation entirely. By recognizing the values that you hold to and what certainly holds value in anything that you create, you can eliminate any kind of games you will play with your own self. Do you follow?

And allows you to concentrate on that which is practical, can be of benefit to you and others without either losing but both gaining from the experience. And you do not specifically have to create for the other, but your intent will guide you in that direction.

You have already started recognizing the potency of The Sisters. You can use Creator to bring to you direct experiential contact with such realities, bring to you those experiences which show you how to use value creation in a most appropriate and practical manner. That is one of the purposes of Creator. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yes and because I haven’t read a lot of your earlier work, I’m just coming to understand the difference between conscious creation and a red car and value creation, and so would it be true if I am playing a game a say I want a red car and yet it doesn’t add any value really to me or to others, I won’t create that red car?

KRIS: You might strain till you are blue in the face, but it might not be the kind of vehicle that would have any purpose for you specifically. So there is something to be understood with the words ‘conscious creation.’ It means utilizing the properties and the abilities of the conscious mind to direct the wide spectrum of your attention into specific goals, much like the focus of a shotgun allows you to direct the power of that instrument within your sight. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yes I guess so. I hear, however, that you’re adding a piece around value that I’ve not heard before.

KRIS: Indeed. We are not the first to speak of this.

MYRNA: No, I understand that.

KRIS: Seth has referred to it as value fulfillment, which has to be taken into consideration, and this is an area where many people have chosen to ignore, only looking at certain pieces of the puzzle. And it is possible to make certain pieces of the puzzle only to work very well, especially when they are aligned with value fulfillment or value creation, even if the individual has not specifically concentrated or brought their attention to that item. Do you follow?

In other words it works in spite of that ignorance. By careful elimination we showed that those who are most successful, apparently more successful at conscious creation, are successful because it is still in line with specific values in their lives, but saying that ‘I want to create a red car and I would consider that one of my values’ is NOT a value.

ALEX: So you’re saying that if she wants a red car and it’s not in her highest interest, no matter how much she wishes for the red car, it will not manifest.

KRIS: That is correct. So the question comes then as to what do you consider of value to your life and in your life. One has to examine then an entire spectrum of personal convictions. That only appears to make the game more difficult, but whilst such an examination is allowed and engaged then the process becomes far easier because you no longer have to play this game of trying to create things that can never happen, literally wasting valuable energy.

But at the same time wishing and trying to create things that are not practical and you will never manifest also is part of the belief systems of those individuals that there must be a need somewhere to prove that such processes ultimately do not function.

And that, conscious creation, value creation, is not something that was invented twenty years ago or thirty years ago. Your species has been creating even before it created itself. So you use the processes of creation. You always have and you always will. You cannot escape this. It is impossible.

ALEX: Kris, belief systems were here before we got here.

KRIS: You choose your personal convictions, but there are foundational belief systems. There are laws of physics that have been agreed upon such as trying to walk through this table of stone. We can predict sore knees. (Laughter) That is guaranteed. So there are certain rules that you collectively agree to abide and play with at the physical level.

Now in your dream bodies and any other subtle bodies you have you can easily walk through this table as if it were no more than water and you would have no sore knees or shinbones, everything within context.

ALEX: Okay. I have a brother. He is, in my opinion, not philosophical, not deep, he doesn’t search for what we’re doing here tonight, but he is very wealthy, very successful, so he somehow manifested that red car. He wanted that red car. Bang. It happened. We were brought up in the same family, same background. Both went to church at the same time. How come when I want a red car it doesn’t manifest for me?

KRIS: Perhaps you need to examine the reasons why you want a red car. What purpose would it serve in your specific life as opposed to your brother’s? Now we did say earlier that personal convictions also play a factor.

ALEX: This was what I was saying about belief systems earlier. Did we both come in with a different set of belief systems, or I came in with a different set of value fulfillment.

KRIS: You do take birth with files filled with convictions. You are not born with a blank slate. And you are not fed beliefs like pablum. You have an entire gambit of belief structures that you have carried with you for any and all of the lives that you have expressed. What you do with them and what your brother does with his are two different things, but the principles are the same.

There is a significant difference between his convictions and yours over and apart from value fulfillment and that is that he believes that his processes work.

ALEX: But he must believe this on an unconscious level. This can’t be conscious.

KRIS: This is conscious. It may be directly focused upon in the same way you understand what conscious thoughts mean. What is the color of your curtain in the livingroom?

ALEX: (Pause) The blinds? …They are white.

KRIS: Indeed. What is the color of your coffee table?

ALEX: Brown wood.

KRIS: What is the color of your carpet?

ALEX: Green

KRIS: Now. All of these things can be considered to be your conscious thoughts. But you had to focus there.

ALEX: Right. I did.

KRIS: Now before we asked you about the carpet and the coffee table and the blinds, those thoughts may have been considered unconscious, but you were not focusing upon them. The questions drew your attention to the facts. Correct?

ALEX: Right.

KRIS: And each question you answered by bringing up imagery and emotion in relation to those items, your life in that environment, your relationship with the coffee table, the carpet and the blinds.

ALEX: Correct. Right.

KRIS: But they were done very rapidly. You did not have to stop at any specific one; you just brought up the imagery. So all of these can be considered part of your unconscious material until you draw it out.

ALEX: So is it fair to say that he focused on that more on a conscious level or he brought more attention to it because it was more a priority for him than it was for me on a level?

KRIS: He brought up those convictions, made them work for him. Now they are part of the unconscious processes until such a time as he needs to re-examine any of these in minute detail. But you will find that it is not simply that a thought pops into his head and he manifests it. There are also as many things as he has that he did not get, some by choice, some because they were not within his means or served no purpose. Do you understand?

ALEX: When you say served no purpose, you mean not in alignment….

KRIS: With his intent, with his values. And you may even at one time discuss it in that way with him and you will find that this is correct.

ALEX: I don’t think he would understand.

MARK: You also have to realize that he took his lifetime to get the red car. He didn’t just stop one day and say ‘red car’ and boom it is in the driveway. He went to work. He earned money. He did X, Y, Z.

ALEX: But for him it just seems so simple. You know, he just puts a thought there and…..

KRIS: And at the same time your brother also has an arsenal of resources, financial or otherwise that took time to build to get to that point.

MARK: A homeless person doesn’t say ‘okay, red car’. The person that’s worked their ass off and has made income and has disposable income or planned for that red car can buy that red car.

MYRNA: If it is considered…if it is value (unintelligible word)

MARK: Exactly.

MYRNA: I think the important for me here tonight was to understand that I come in with a whole file of full drawers there, a cabinet over lifetimes or over expressions of self that are convictions that I carry.

KRIS: Do understand that you do not activate the convictions that belong to another expression of essence. You have your own. You pull those that are necessary for this lifetime and over the decades you have built upon them. It may have to do with self worth. It may have to do with many other items but they are all personal.

So it is important to at least become aware of one’s personal convictions.

MYRNA: Hugely.

KRIS: Indeed, we have used the example before. If you wish to install Windows XP you had best remove Windows 98 or Windows 2000 from your system, otherwise the two operating systems will be in conflict with each other and your computer may not function properly unless you partition your hard drive appropriately. Do you understand?

MYRNA: Oh yes I understand. I’m sitting here thinking of the years and years that I’ve spent in serious different groups trying to actually access personal convictions. I didn’t know that was what I was trying to access. So for me the healing that I look for is going to only come through understanding my personal convictions in various aspects of my life.

KRIS: Now. This is not as huge a task as you might imagine off the top of your head. This is not something that also must be done overnight and it is not something you must do until you bleed. Do you follow?

You may begin by calling up your convictions in relation to self worth, for instance. And allow your thoughts to have random access, perhaps to do internal dialogue in the manner of word associations perhaps in the same way we described the word ‘sunshine and everything that was brought out of that.

Myrna’s personal self worth. What is contained in that folder? What kind of files and even programs are running on that subject? Do you follow?

And here and there certain things may come to the conscious level of your thoughts for you to be aware of them. Now what do you do when you recognize such things? You may choose to use the Triple ‘A’ method. Do you remember that?

MYRNA: (Laughs) Acknowledge, Address and Accept. I’ve been trying to memorize that.

KRIS: Indeed. Some people instead will choose the World Wrestling Federation method of grab a conviction, wrestle it to the ground and pummel it into oblivion. (Laughter) Only to find that it rises again because it is energy.

By utilizing the Triple ‘A’ method you need not wrestle and fight for your life but instead utilize the Triple A’s and finally accept that these are values that you hold. They do not necessarily need to BE you, but only that you recognize that they exist gives you sufficient power and recognition to release them and instill convictions that can only enhance your well-being.

MYRNA: Say that again please?

KRIS: Only convictions that can enhance your well-being.

MYRNA: Is what’s going to arise? I’m sorry….

KRIS: When you only accept.

MYRNA: I see.

ALEX: Is this what you were alluding to earlier when you were mentioning something about “you may become overwhelmed” or it can be overwhelming at some point?

KRIS: Indeed, because we are aware of many people who think that they must now do this whole hocus pocus on their convictions within twenty-four hours or less (tapping his wrist where a watch would be). That is an impossible task, impractical and ends up in total frustration and AGAIN considered to be bullshit.

ALEX: Because that’s our expectation?

KRIS: It is highly impractical expectations. And it is irrelevant whether you insist that this process must be over and done with in ten days. It will be over and done with when you recognize that none of your convictions really are who you are. They are the psychological masks that you wear. But behind each of the masks must be a true individual.

When it is said, ‘Know yourself’ that is what this means. Recognize whom is the True Self behind the masks.

ALEX: Uncovering your beliefs systems can become overwhelming though, can’t it? Because all of a sudden you’re shattering everything you’ve ever known to be true.

KRIS: As long as you are practical in your approach there should be no great complications. There will be transformations. There will be the occasional recognition that many things that you held dear for a long time might have been illusory, but that is because the True Self is making ITSELF known to you consciously.

ALEX: But the True Self is limitless so why would you have to be practical?

KRIS: Because you live in a practical reality.

ALEX: So if I were to say “Be practical Alex”, that…(Kris interrupts)

KRIS: Then examine what you believe about the words ‘being practical’.

ALEX: Okay. Okay. Because I was going to say it ties in with my self worth and that I think ‘well, I don’t deserve that red car.’

MARK: There you go. (Laughs)

KRIS: We never said that we were not tricky. (Smirking)

ALEX: Okay. This is complicated.

MARK: And it isn’t shattering because we’re working forwards and not backwards. As these beliefs become apparent it becomes joyous because you’re actually working forwards.

ALEX: By uncovering them.

MARK: Exactly. You’re working on bettering yourself, improving yourself and bringing about value creation. It becomes a joyous movement and not a shattering movement. (Alex had used the term shattering beliefs).

ALEX: I have these issues and my brother does not!

KRIS: At the same time if you compare yourself to your brother you will encounter difficulties.

Then when this True Self makes itself known to you, you will indeed have surprises. We know what your True Self is. We can see THAT True Self and it is nothing like you would imagine. Many of you think that your True Self is something to be ashamed of for one reason or another. That is another mask that you wear. And you use it to hide.

The only clue we will give you is contained within the material of the Nine Sisters.

ALEX: Can you narrow it down to ONE? (Laughter)

KRIS: It is a composite. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:46

KRIS: We suggest a nice true break.

(Break begins at 8:47)

There was further discussion about where our beliefs come from, even among people who grow up in the same family who have obviously different beliefs from each other.

Mark told the story of how he had always, since childhood had the dream to own his own home and despite the fact that he was working in the film industry and was making money hand over fist, did not believe that he was able to own his own home. It wasn’t until he worked through his beliefs of self worth and whether he deserved to own and was capable of owning his own home before he was able to buy his first condo

There were also remarks about how we are all connected and so creation is a collective process, and how, even though this is true, a person can choose either to lend energy or not to certain creations, to allow or not allow them to impact their life.

Alex brought up the current drama with the Shiavo woman and how this is polarizing people and making them think about what is right, what is consciousness; did she choose this on some level? It is also putting emphasis on such things as living wills and other issues surrounding the dying and will create many societal changes as a result.

The fact that this woman was anorexic, starving herself, and then had a heart attack and is now being starved to death in the hospital has brought up many questions about what is consciousness? What is life? As well as pointing up the various roles of victim/victimizer and the whole belief system of victim hood.

Alex talked further about her brother and has even suggested that she would not be surprised if they were expressions of the same essence because they seem to have various issues to work out between them. He has appeared to have had life handed to him easily whereas Alex has not and she has questioned this. She wonders if perhaps she is here to help him realize that there are other things to understand.

(Session resumes at 8:57)

KRIS: Now your perceptions may actually prevent you from seeing the situation differently. And it is quite possible that he looks at you with a certain degree of enviousness that he will never reveal. And by that we mean that he may look at your life and consider that in terms of emotional stability, relationships, contact with the reality of life at depths that he will never attain. He may perceive that his system perhaps is as easy as snapping his fingers and getting a car but when else is there? What ELSE is there to his existence than things? So your perceptions may prevent you from seeing such issues as his, yours. Do you follow?

ALEX: I follow. I follow.

KRIS: Again this pertains to the values you attach to your own existences. So there are indeed sweet mysteries to your lives that would do you well to explore. Become treasure hunters, archaeologists of your own selves. The archaeologists are not only those that are trained to go off to far off lands and look for ancient civilizations. They are also those individuals who dig beneath the surface of their lives looking for gemstones, pearls and diamonds, gold in the form of value, in the form of convictions.

Such treasures and their discoveries will naturally enrich your whole sense of selfhood and comparing your selfhood to another’s will not fulfill you either. But rejoicing in the unknown selves that you discover within your own being will definitely fulfill you in ways you cannot imagine at this moment in time. Do you have any questions? Now is your opportunity and you know what they say – Opportunity knocks but once. For tonight. (Laughter)

MARK: I have a totally off topic question. Can you give us the name of the planet that was destroyed?

KRIS: (Pause) Varuun.

MARK: VAROON?

KRIS: VARUUN. Its destruction was the cause of great calamities on surrounding, neighboring planets. Its destruction impacted life on many worlds, but the physical impact of its destruction was not as impactful as the significance of its psychological eradication.

Now in what you would easily term ‘other probably realities’ this did not occur, but in this reality its destruction toppled entire stellar empires, brought about the downfall of many rulers and unleashed civil wars the likes of which your civilization has never seen since, or at least on your planet.

It also brought about millions of years of a more peaceful coexistence. We have said in the past that your planet has known far longer periods of peace than of war. That was a challenge, but that is understandable. Over time people forget, forget their histories, forget their roots, forget their heritage to the point where your present civilization has forgotten where it comes from and it has adopted the idea that it comes from monkeys. One of our favorite pet peeves.

MARK: What shocked me is that there was such an uproar over the destruction of this planet and yet there’s been a total loss of life on two other planets as a result. Correct?

KRIS: The one that was destroyed contained MORE lives. The others were colonies. Still life was lost. And a single life lost is (pause) unpardonable.

MARK: I found that since we had this discussion that it’s really affected me on a psychological level, on a deep level, whether it’s stirring ancient memories of myself or not.

KRIS: Indeed it is. It is not that you have switched rooms but this will pass. And whether it is the loss of one disabled woman in Florida or a hundred thousand lives in Indonesia, it is one thing to understand that at the level of essence there are larger processes involved than you can consciously comprehend, but to use that as a means to scoff the issues off and to create an atmosphere of cold indifference is also unpardonable. Each of your LIVES is as precious as a hundred million thousand lives or all of the lives in all of the galaxies and universes put together and your lives are no less significant.

Your lives are an expression of ‘All That Is’ and though ‘All That Is’ has a million billion trillion other lives, your singular existence signifies the directed attention of ‘All That Is’ through the precious smiles that you give to another. ‘All That Is’, the entire concept of creation, has brought its attention through your eyes, through your smiles, through your touch and how THAT affects another. That is significant!

So for every life that is lost each of you has cried rivers of tears if not in this life in another life. And at the same time you unconsciously understand the magnificent mystery of ‘All That Is’ being yourself. Those that try to teach you the mysteries of the universe and OMIT that, teach you NOTHING for that is what is behind the entire notion of value creation. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Now then. We will get off the pulpit. Do you have other questions?

JOHN: I have a quick question Kris. Thinking of The Sisters and the presentation we’re going to do, most of our thinking about The Sisters has been about essentially a problem solving resource, and it occurred to me that there may be a plus side to this where when we want to have some value creation, when we want to do something, when we want to build and create and do something positive as opposed to just dealing with problems that The Sisters may have a role there as well.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Alright.

KRIS: This is taking it to the next level. It is a useful, practical tool to understand the properties of these Sisters in problem solving, but that is only being reactive. Then you can be proactive and understand that this particular set of aspects of self can be utilized in any and every situation in your existence. That gives you a particular advantage being one step ahead of the pack in a manner of speaking. And again the same clue we gave you earlier applies because The Sisters are not things as if they are floating in space separate from you. That is as far as we will continue hinting.

JOHN: Thank you.

KRIS: But in that, you are correct. It takes forward thinking to bring it to that layer and you each have the capacities, so the idea then is a small task for this coming week.

ALEX: Will that be a subject of the workshop? To take it to that next level?

KRIS: Indeed. We will not give you only half the coin. During this coming week ponder as to how you can engage The Sisters to enhance one or many aspects of your existence. It may include problem solving or it may include the creation of brand new projects for yourselves and of course being practical, especially for you. (Indicates Alex and she laughs.)

ALEX: I’ll use them for THAT.

KRIS: Indeed. Are there other questions?

ALEX: I just have one idea that I’d like to comment on if possible. We were talking a little bit about the Shiavo woman who is I guess on her last breath now who is being basically starved to death and we were talking about how we have collectively taken responsibility for this being brought to this situation now and it’s really polarized the world and I just wonder if you have any kind of comments or why this is happening now. And I think it’s interesting because we’re asking “what is life” and “what is consciousness” and it’s an interesting time for this to happen.

KRIS: Indeed, specifically that the value of human life regardless is being brought into question and can human life be judged solely on the political level or a judicial level or a medical level. Where is human life situated according to the system? And which part if any of the system should have a say over human life? So there are political, judicial, governmental, medical, ethical, moral issues involved here and they all orbit around the issue of value. This will continue being played out in the courts and it will continue being contentious for some time.

But many changes will take time to be implemented, but it will not go away. And again what we said earlier stands. Even though there are large issues being discussed unconsciously as the collective level the entire affair truly is sad that it has to come to this. That is also a process that those involved directly and indirectly have agreed to participate in because it impacts the values of their lives.

So as you have said, this is huge and it will continue to snowball.

ALEX: The Shiavo woman is a very valiant soul to be choosing to bring this to light so that we would…..

KRIS: She is not necessarily aware, but she is aware sufficiently, in our humble opinion, that on the one hand there is a mistake being made that may come out later.

Now then, what is the time?

MARK: 9:17

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: You’re going to leave us with that Kris? There’s a mistake being made? (Everyone cracks up.) That may come out later? That’s all you’re going to say?

KRIS: Indeed. Do understand that in spite of all of the traumas and the dramas of human life and of the human condition in general and in particular you all engage upon the issues because you have recognized its value to yourself and you are lending energy in the appropriate areas when you recognize that you are not obsessive, when it does not diminish your sense of self worth. The trick is to recognize the values of your own self worth in light of the issues you choose to focus upon. And though those words may sound ambiguous to your rational minds, ponder upon them and see what gems you dig from the treasure chest of your awareness.

And with that we wish you much luck in discovering the biggest gem of all, your true self. That is the true significance of the Holy Grail is the search for the true self. It has nothing to do with power in political or human terms. Its powers lie inherent in its capacity to be the true self, or at least the symbol for it.

MYRNA: That’s why my comment earlier about this case. This case really for me is about what aspect of this is ME? That she has chosen a certain path and others choose to see whatever they see in it. But for me when you say there’s a mistake, why I’m eager to know is, in my search for true self what is there to learn here?

KRIS: It is OUR opinion that this brave soul is not as incoherent as is made to be. Do you understand? That mistake is strictly at the layer of physical reality. The drama will unfold as it is meant to, but there are other ways this could have been displayed. The significant aspect for you is the value that you uncover for yourself. Her own particulars have to do with her own situation. That is what we were referring to.

All in all, understand the values YOU entertain and you wish to enhance them and give yourselves due credit when it is time. Does that make sense to you?

So indeed give yourselves a big pat on the back because this evening was rather touchy. But nonetheless you have found the capacity to have fun and that is what has to be done.

So my lovely treasures, shine like the jewels that you are and illuminate the world around you with that light. And have lovely dreams and beautiful adventures.

ALL: Thank you.

(Session ends at 9:22)

Mark and Dawn Brown (Australia)

March 24, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 24, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: We thank you for your consideration and your kindnesses. And it is a pleasure once again to speak with the two of you.

DAWN: Thank you. It’s a pleasure to talk with you as well.

KRIS: Now then it is our understanding that you have some questions.

DAWN: Yes. This time we’re a little bit more organized Kris and have actually written some questions down because last time we were a little bit lost.

We were just talking to Serge about the essence name translations that you gave to us in our last session, and he was saying that you actually try and give one that has some kind of meaning of either a focus or….

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: I was just wondering if you would explain the ones that you did give to us.

KRIS: Your own of Jiddu as you have surmised is of Indian origin.

[Jiddu is Dawn’s Essence name given to her in a previous session with Kris.]

DAWN: I thought so.

KRIS: This particular expression of essence approximately the early 1500′s, approximately. The time scale could even be the very late 1400′s, early 1500′s. This particular existence was significant because it also enabled you to experiment with a variation on enlightenment according to the dogmas and the writings of ancient Hindu saints. And you actually were a follower of one such saint.

It was a revolutionary concept of what this individual was preaching at the time. And we are not here speaking of a priest specifically or of someone whom smacks of religianity, but an individual who actually had understood a specific type of Tantra that enabled either himself or any of his disciples to participate joyfully in spiritual existence as opposed to many of those who try to sell you the kind of spiritual enlightenment that usually comes laden with gravity and somberness. Do you follow?

DAWN: I do.

KRIS: This individual’s specific message was that one can enjoy life. One can be joyous, happy and demonstrate that with goodness of the heart without necessarily being one of those individuals who takes spirituality and enlightenment in a dogmatic fashion.

DAWN: Yeah. I actually have beliefs about that now. I feel that some people actually complicate it and make it much heavier than it needs to be.

KRIS: Indeed. There is no need to actually follow the path of denial when the denial only succeeds in making you poignantly and sometimes painfully aware that you are denying yourself when the soul or self CAN embrace all aspects of existence, since it creates them. Do you follow?

DAWN: Yes.

MARK: Including sexuality.

KRIS: Absolutely. And this is an enormous struggle especially for the Western mindset that sexuality, which does not specifically mean sexual intercourse, some people are of the idea that if you explore sexuality you will be fornicating at every street corner.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: Every second street corner would be sufficient.

(More laughter)

KRIS: The idea is that one can feel that rush of raw, erotic, sexual Eros, since it is the most powerful force in your Universe.

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: And that does not entail fornication every five minutes.

DAWN: (Laughing) Definitely not.

KRIS: It would tend to sour the soup. In fact when there is an understanding of the nature of one’s own sexual and spiritual origins, there can come to a point where there is sufficient fulfillment where the constant need for sexual satisfaction to compensate for soul satisfaction can actually be dissolved. Do you understand?

DAWN: I think so. Yeah.

KRIS: Many people fall into the patterns of sexual addiction because they are utilizing and substituting sex as fulfillment whilst in reality it only makes you painfully aware of that absence of self-love.

DAWN: Yes, yes. And when you’re feeling that self-love and you do have sex, it’s a totally different experience.

KRIS: Indeed, because then it reaches beyond the normally-established boundaries and mental taboos and emotional taboos and quickly reaches depths and heights of experiences that most people are not aware can truly exist. That is why many ancient practitioners of Tantra were actually able to attain union with the Divine because they did not deny and were aware Tantra means to even bring together all aspects of self, even the shadow side and to allow oneself to embrace all of existence.

Those who try and sell salvation, redemption and enlightenment through denial, which is the standard practice in most of the world religions, do so with great pain because one must constantly deny oneself ultimately.

DAWN: And that’s not what our natural intention is to do.

KRIS: Indeed, the self’s natural inclination is to embrace. Setting up resistances to the embracing of life in all of its aspects is actually contrary to inclinations of self. Therefore that automatically creates schisms, literally manufactured schizophrenia. We are not talking about clinical but manufactured schizophrenia. And this is evident in your practice. You see many such people.

DAWN: Yes.

KRIS: Now.

DAWN: That’s very interesting.

MARK: That is really, really interesting because I know that, for instance when we had our last conversation that Dawn actually has gone through a process related to what we’ve been talking about and that her experiences of actually being able to connect to other focuses, other dimensions, has greatly increased when she is in that state.

KRIS: Indeed, because the resistances have been embraced and barriers that would normally be part of the ego construction no longer need to be evident. So the brain, the physical brain is being reprogrammed because the mental aspects have themselves been reprogrammed and the flow of energy can be far more tangible. When you get into that space or that zone then you are able to not rely specifically on and merely upon a few crumbs of extra sensory experiences but can actually peel back the layers of self and enjoy the very energy that exists in the formation of these other focuses. And that in itself only still represents one layer of a more immense body of consciousness.

Your own physical forms themselves are one field of energy that is extended throughout the parameters of time and space and incorporates these other expressions of essence. So you have in a certain fashion psychological bodies. You have more than one. You call them other focuses. That only gives you insight into still a small slice of the reality of essence.

DAWN: It’s pretty awesome to think about.

KRIS: If you think this is awesome then continue expanding your awareness and notice that what you normally respond to as energy from essence is itself one of the many bodies of essence. Do you follow that?

MARK: It’s interesting as well, Kris, because when I actually do focus and connect to not only my focuses but other focuses of other individuals that it is surprising, or maybe it’s not surprising after what we just heard you saying, that I tend to connect to more of the sexual aspect of that focus and I always thought the reason for that was because the energy levels are much, much more heightened and so connecting to that type of connection is much easier to do.

KRIS: Indeed, it is one of the most vital forces in the Universe. Therefore it is much easier to ride that wave and to recognize it in others. And what we were saying moments ago can also be explored. You understand the principle that essence has many focuses, many expressions. Correct?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: Now then, what you recognize as your essence is itself one of many other expressions at that essence level. Therefore a source may indeed have many essences and each of these essences itself has many expressions. You call them focuses. So this creates an enormous matrix of wonderful, creative and magnificent energies, always in a state of flux, always moving because it is an action. It is never static. So that can give you more food for thought.

DAWN: Your explorations could go on forever.

MARK: Absolutely they will.

DAWN: Yes

KRIS: Indeed. And the word ‘forever’ is not doing the concept any justice whatsoever.

(Both laugh)

DAWN: That’s an understatement.

KRIS: Try then again to stretch the boundaries of your imagination and imagine what you cannot yet imagine on this subject.

MARK: Yes, I really enjoy doing that.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I do. I enjoy connecting. I enjoy being dispersed as well. I think it does help, but to me it’s sort of like adds to the enjoyment of doing this. Quite incredible really.

KRIS: This is part of what you call waking up to the shift.

(Both laugh)

DAWN: We’re just rubbing our eyes.

KRIS: Indeed. And as is often said, “Shift happens.”

(Both laugh)

DAWN: I love that one.

KRIS: Now the other essence name, Sillar, we believe stems more from Persia, ancient Persian background. Around the Third Century of the Common Era here you were what we can only describe as an adept in the Schools of Mysteries, the Gnostics. You had students and every once in awhile your group would have to pick up camp and move often in the stealth of night because your group had started being persecuted by the more orthodox literalist Christian sects, even though you tried to show them that you understood where they were coming from.

[Sillar is Mark’s Essence name.]

Their specific literalist views as exist even today did not allow many of these persecutors to understand that there could be any interpretation to the Sacred Mysteries other than their version of. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes I do. I feel that I am connecting to that.

KRIS: This was both a wonderful time when you were able to see through the catharsis of your teachings you could see literally the transformation and the enlightenment of your students move from a literalist understanding of sacred mysteries into an understanding that, for instance, moving from an understanding that the Christ was a factual, historical person exactly as described in biblical writings to an understanding that in fact one does not realize the Christ by submitting to priestly interpretations of certain doctrines but instead one becomes a Christ just as one becomes a Buddha. Both words originate in ancient Sanskrit. They both are derived from the root “Krishta”, and they both literally mean a state of awareness one becomes.

So it is more than simply following some rules and regulations and going to church on Sunday. One becomes a state of awareness.

MARK: Aware of yourself.

KRIS: In many of its various forms. That is a significant loss to your culture when such teachings were considered heresy and attempts were made to completely eradicate it off the face of the Earth. But slowly, consciousness can never be denied, and slowly this is coming back. Do you follow?

MARK: I do. Yes.

KRIS: This is again something to stretch the boundaries of your imagination that one actually becomes a state of awareness, becomes a field of enlightenments.

MARK: Ah, that’s excellent. Thank you for that. I shall explore some more.

KRIS: Indeed, now we believe you have more questions. Please feel free.

DAWN: Yes, another thing we were very curious about was that in our history you know we have ancient tablets and texts that relate to Sumerian times and they talk about the Anunnaki and the Elohim and we were wondering if you would be able to sort of like put a spin on that whereas you could like explain it to us because it’s difficult to understand exactly through the information we have whether they were actually in our dimension and connected to Earth or whether that is like a myth that is bleeding through from another dimension.

KRIS: Now we have in the past briefly explained that approximately four hundred million years from now into the past there was indeed a great war, a great battle of such proportion that it involved other planets. When this planet was sufficiently devastated and people left this planet, we are talking of civilizations way into your past that does not mean that they only knew how to carry around dinosaur bones. There have been many very sophisticated and evolved civilizations in your planet’s history and there will be many more.

Now this one in particular people left to colonize Mars, but the war followed. When some people left to colonize Mars other groups continued and established colonies on what you now call The Dog Star, Sirius. Some would in time return to this planet. Their home had altered their physical appearances and especially the way they breathed atmosphere. So they had to don specific breathing apparatus, much like your spacemen have to put on spacesuits. Do you follow?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: In order to be able to come to the Earth, their ancestral home. The Anunnaki means “the ugly ones” because the suits they had to wear to permit them to communicate with other individuals on this planet had to have an aqueous environment, thus in many of the Anunnaki legends they are not specifically related only to ancient Sumeria. There are also depictions of the ancient Anunnaki in ancient China and in other parts of the world. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: Their suits made them look like fish, the head and chest of fish and the legs of men.

DAWN: Because they actually described Enki as like a fish creature.

KRIS: They could not breathe the same atmosphere as their ancestors did in ancient times on Earth. The descriptions also mention that most of them would retreat under the water. Correct?

MARK: Right.

KRIS: In many ancient African legends, many parts of ancient Africa, there are also descriptions of ancient fish gods who brought teaching, who brought metallurgy, who brought other sciences.

Another group that also came to your world long ago was called the Netjer, or also ‘the dark ones’, dark not in terms of mythology as you understand it now but their entire appearances were blackish. They were also another type of Anunnaki species and they also approached ancient cultures that evolved into what you now call the ancient Egyptians.

Many of the present day ancient Egyptians as described by Egyptologists were trying to make sense of the sciences and instruments left behind by these Netjer Anunnaki. Over time the sciences and the ways to use the instruments became lost. They forgot how thousands of years ago they could create electro-plating with batteries, though some of these instruments and implements have been found.

There is much to your ancient history that is denied you because it does not fit in with the model that hundreds of thousands of years ago your ancestors may have been almost baboon-like. This is a fallacy.

MARK: It is.

KRIS: Indeed. No human being is descended from a monkey. However, some may LOOK like they did.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: And some may BEHAVE like they did.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: But none actually did.

DAWN: How reassuring. (Laughs) That’s fascinating. So these stories….we’ve just got little snippets that have come down through the ages.

KRIS: Indeed and they have often been distorted and it will take much time for many of these ancient myths and legends to divulge and reveal their roots. And it is interesting that there are some authors in this day and age who also have a knack to translate ancient texts but always giving it that Hollywood edge.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: Thinking it would sell better.

DAWN: Yes, exactly right.

MARK: This is actually very good because I know that when I’ve actually connected to focuses of mine and others at these various time frames that you’ve been talking about I feel that things are so different to what is actually written down. And it’s validated again and when you actually look at our own history books for even like say World War II that there are so many distortions within these books.

KRIS: Indeed and there are many aspects of that World War I, World War II that your race may never discover. When there are political innuendoes, political agendas to be hidden, you get the disinformation. You get what the history makers think you should know.

MARK: Yes, exactly. History books are written by the victors.

KRIS: And in time they will become the vanquished. That is the pattern of history. There are always many sides to a coin to be experienced. Victories merely be one.

Now, there were other aspects to your Anunnaki question. Please continue.

DAWN: Well, one of the things was that I actually had a vision awhile ago where I actually saw myself with a huge serpent, and I actually, when I asked myself who that serpent was got the name Enki which I think we established with Elias is actually a focus of Baruch, Mark, and that at that time I was someone whose name translates as Ninhursag. I don’t know how accurate the names are. And I’m just curious about those particular focuses of ours and how they relate to the stories.

KRIS: Now do understand that there is movement always from one dimension to another. There are many sightings of what you so commonly call UFOs, which are not machines, but individual consciousness that can travel between various dimensional fields. Each dimension will produce an image of that consciousness that may have nothing to do with the consciousness itself but it must have a translation to a certain degree when it comes through to this dimension.

Imagine if you will that you are knee deep in a beautiful creek. The water is pristine and cool along your legs and there are nice gentle pebbles under your feet and you see trout in the stream. But what you do not see is how the trout is able to see your feet. To the trout your feet may not look anything like your feet. Do you follow?

BOTH: Yes, yes. Very good analogy.

KRIS: Indeed, primarily because light is bent differently once it hits the water and your form is an energy pattern that it must translate to make sense to its trout mind. The similar effect does occur when consciousness from another dimension makes itself viewed in a way in your dimension on its way to another. So this dimension like many other is often used as a crossroads and you may see strange phenomena you may see an unidentified flying object that seems to appear and then disappear because it has now moved away from the field of physics pertaining to your dimension and can no longer be translated into your field. Does that make sense?

BOTH: Absolutely. Yes.

KRIS: So you do have certain perceptions and they are interpretations of energy either of Enki or of others. In their native environment they may be different, but do rest assured that beings from other dimensions are not necessarily interested in giving you the recipe for the best chicken soup as is often found with many people who communicate with such life forms, thinking that they would be there to save them.

We have always wondered why an intelligent life form from another star system would specifically want to give a focus the recipe for cleaner teeth. Do you understand? (Long pause) Do you follow?

MARK: I don’t quite get the last bit.

KRIS: There are many people who claim to channel beings from other dimensions, but the information imparted amounts to no more than an intelligence of inordinate proportions giving you the recipe for white teeth.

(Both laugh)

MARK: Yes. Okay. I follow.

KRIS: That is an enormous amount of energy expended for such a simple task.

So do keep in mind that what you perceive are interpretations. It does not negate their validity, but there is always more behind the imagery.

MARK: I’m aware of that.

DAWN: And I suppose the more that you do it the more accomplished you become at interpreting what it is that you are presenting…..

KRIS: That is exactly what the key is. These are interpretations. Your whole physical dimension, even your physical body as energy field, is an interpretation. Everything is symbolic.

DAWN: Yes, imagery.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: Well, we’re very curious, Kris. (Laughs)

KRIS: Curiosity is the key to creativity. Without that then daily life becomes a series of burdensome activities. For when you can discover the joy of creation in a small petal of a flower or the mysteries of the Universe in a fennel seed or an acorn or in the twinkle of a child’s eye, then indeed you are apt to discover those mysteries because you are curious about them. That is why children should always be encouraged to question as opposed to simply take the answers and shut up.

MARK: Yes, I totally agree with that and that’s how we’ve actually brought our two children up and this has caused many conflicts with the schools because my son has been in trouble with the authority within the school system because he questions.

KRIS: Indeed, and the school system does not specifically encourage questioning unless it is totally related to accepting answers without question. The school system is not meant to educate and create genius but to create people who can recite books and lessons and do well on tests as a means of subjugating that inquisitive curious mind. That is all the educational system is for.

MARK: Programming people.

KRIS: Indeed, programming stupidity in them.

(Both laugh)

MARK: That’s lovely!

KRIS: Now if this gets out we are in trouble with the teacher!

(Both laugh)

DAWN: That’s okay. We are used to it.

MARK: Ah yes, I seem to be good at creating conflict with authorities.

KRIS: Please continue.

MARK: Have you got some more questions here Dawn?

DAWN: Yes. I was going to ask you for our essence information please, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. What specifically would you like?

DAWN: The family alignments and belonging.

KRIS: Do you understand the differences that we perceive comparatively with Elias?

DAWN: Yes.

KRIS: Now some people wonder why we give what has now become known as the ‘six-pack.’

(Both laugh)

DAWN: It seems like more in depth to me.

KRIS: The reason is in relation to primary, secondary, tertiary alignment and belonging to having to do with essence having more than one body.

Yours for instance Jiddu. Essence primary, Sumafi; secondary, Vold; tertiary, Milumet. Belonging to is very powerful.

Your alignment – primary, secondary, tertiary – Tumold/Sumari……

DAWN: So the belonging was the Tumold.

KRIS: Vold. This is aligning.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: Do you follow?

DAWN: I think so. I’ll just listen to it again later.

KRIS: Indeed. And aligning tertiary – Gramada.

DAWN: That’s a surprise one.

MARK: That fits in with the way you research and do all sorts of things.

DAWN: Well, that’s given me a lot to think about. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed, such explorations can help you understand even more of what essence body actually creates through these specifics of essence family intent. And there is no question that an individual’s life can be tremendously enriched and you can even expand that information, enhancing the quality and the value of your life. That is what that kind of information is meant for. If one ONLY creates little clubs, little groups that admire their Sumafi-ness……

DAWN: (Laughs) I am sure it happens!

KRIS: Indeed. Then the purpose becomes diluted.

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: There is nothing wrong with exploring the parameters of one’s Sumafi-ness or Sumari-ness or however you want to pronounce it. Indeed it could be an enlightening experience on its own. But the purpose is to dig, to explore the archaeology of essence at that state of intent.

DAWN: Because of you just focus on the one it’s very limiting. You’re not actually allowing more exploration of yourself.

KRIS: Now there is always so much more to self, but many individuals merely limit their understanding to one or two things, and perhaps at that stage of their existence that is all they can manage. But once you reach a specific plateau, once you attain a specific level of momentum then we urge you. – Step over the line. Push that envelope. You will not break your mother’s back if you step on the line.

But, you will break barriers. And sometimes those barriers may frighten because it brings about change and transformation. That is one thing human beings do not like and that is part of the ego construction, blueprint, to try and always maintain stability. But the nature of stability comes from and rests upon its transformative powers, always in a state of change.

DAWN: I just think it feels very natural to me to always question and be looking and going beyond what appears to be. You know, I always have this desire to go further and I think the more you do that the more comfortable you become with it and it becomes less scary and less frightening.

KRIS: Indeed, and one can always continue learning something.

DAWN: Oh God yes. I can’t imagine there’s ever enough time although that’s an illusion, that you could ever NOT be discovering something new.

KRIS: Indeed, we have encountered many people who feel that once they have an inkling about one thing or another then they have learnt all there is, and yet they do not know how they manage to breathe from one moment to the next. They do not know how their body image keeps reproducing itself with atoms and molecules and cellular structures. They do not know how they think or know.

Even at the field of the body there is still so much. They do not know how they ever grew from being five years of age to twenty years of age and there are no schools that you can go to, to learn how to grow your body, or how to see, or how you think, though many will teach you WHAT to see and what to think. That is a completely different matter.

So you do all of these things naturally and spontaneously. That is the key to existence. Spontaneity IS transformation.

DAWN: Lovely.

KRIS: Indeed, now please feel free to continue.

DAWN: Okay. Would you give Mark’s stats to him as well please?

KRIS: So Sillar wants his six-pack.

DAWN: His six-pack. Yes. (Both laugh) He’d love a six-pack.

KRIS: (Pause) Now you may or may not be familiar with the controversy we started concerning this tenth potential family of consciousness, but there is a link to that Dulvar intent, which is to bring balance and harmony, which is itself a tricky set of words. It is a double-edged sword at all levels. So primary belonging is Dulvar, secondary – Sumari, tertiary – Vold.

Aligning with primary – Vold, secondary – Milumet. Tertiary is actually a blend of two different families of consciousness. We will have to say a unique blend of Gramulet, Gramada/Milumet.

DAWN: Gramulet.

KRIS: It is not Granola.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: These are also worth studying and even expanding upon through your own intuitive channels.

DAWN: Okay. So Mark is there anything you’d like to ask?

MARK: Have you been through all the ones that you’ve got?

DAWN: Well, I’ve got one here. I was just curious if either of us or both of us actually do share focuses or lives with Kris?

KRIS: (Pause) Now the permutations of essence blendings are vast and rarely understood. But each of you have one essence body that is related to our own set of essence bodies. Do you understand the term ‘essence bodies?’ We spoke of this briefly a short while ago with you.

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: One of them is common to you both and is part of our own essence bodies. That particular essence intonation can be pronounced MEESUL.

DAWN: That’s really interesting.

KRIS: Through that connection there have been some challenging physical focuses, challenging in that they were not always the kinds of existences where you lead a charmed and pristine life but one where often the boundaries of authority are tested. It is no mystery why your own children have a trait that you carry as well.

MARK: Oh dear. (Both laugh) I think we recognize this.

KRIS: Now, bucking the authorities and the system is not necessarily a bad thing for it asserts a certain kind of authority in selfhood. That is an experimentation to see just how much of the boundaries can be pushed, testing much like the child, the teenager tests parental boundaries before they are grounded. This can also be found in many living situations and this particular existence we have described one physical _expression of our own in the 1700′s in the Caribbean what we were once called a swashbuckler, a good old-fashioned pirate. And you were part of the crew. We were not necessarily bad pirates, but we did engage in piracy. It was a method of expressing an entirely fierce autonomy, no one to be accountable to.

Mind you there are always conflicts in those types of lives and such lives are created to enable the contrast and the challenges to be that much more amplified and magnificent from one extreme to the other. Many such lives are often used to create a sense of balance when certain other focuses are far too sedentary. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: It adds a vital juice to the whole creation. Now may we ask the time please?

DAWN: It’s just after quarter past the hour.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: Okay. Well, it’s been a LOT of fun.

KRIS: Indeed. If you are of a mind, this session you may feel like transcribing it. It is up to you, but we believe there is information that could be useful to others in it.

MARK: We agree. We’ve always done that and we share. In fact Iona who you have interacted with as well has a website and we actually put the MP3 files there.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: People can download and listen to them there. We are not averse to people hearing what confessions we have had. We think it’s good for everyone to share.

KRIS: Indeed and such a session can be transcribed and it might also be useful for others to read.

DAWN: I expect that will be my job then, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. Then we thank you deeply for your consideration and kindnesses.

DAWN: We thank you.

KRIS: And we shall speak soon.

DAWN: Yes, very soon.

MARK: Very soon.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: I had fun.

MARK: I need to talk to you more about NLP because this is an area that I feel that I’m moving towards in a very big way and I’ve been creating job situations which keep pushing me back toward the NLP area, so next time…..

KRIS: Indeed then dream well and sleep well.

BOTH: Thank you very much.

Tantra of ‘All That Is’

March 21, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 21, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Sharaleene)

Roll Call in Castaic: Paul H. (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Jim (Jericho), Paul T. (Antolian), Ester (Benata)

Roll Call in Oregon: Norm (Ambrose), Reta (Leihuu)

(Sessions begins at 7:53.)

KRIS: Indeed we are thankful for your consideration and welcome one and all.

ALL: Hi Kris. Hello.

KRIS: (Pause) Indeed you are celebrating the Spring Equinox. This is a high time of year, a time where all people could find the opportunity to lay down their differences and their arms or weapons and instead take into consideration practices that have come down through the times and the histories in recognition of the cycles of death and rebirth, practices that are indeed as ancient as the setting and the rising of the sun itself.

Such practices, regardless of the geographical area or the nationality or the ethnic background, have actually been a healing salve in ancient cultures and societies because it brought to the everyday individual the notion that nature and the Universe work in cycles and that the end of a cycle actually signals the beginning of a new one. And these cycles follow the paths of the celestial bodies, the Moon, the Sun, other planetary bodies, other Solar Systems even.

At a time when your own planet hosted not two but three different moons, these practices have even more of an impactful significance because the lunar cycles predominated over the solar cycles in their richness of pageantry and the lives of the people, the solar cycles acting as an over-extension of the principles of night and day and the seeds and the crops. And the significances of the rituals and the performances were indeed far different when there were three moons in your orbit.

There came a time when you only had two moons, which occasioned a reassessment of the significances of the rituals and the practices in line with the lunar and the solar cycles and the sowing of the crops and the harvesting of those crops. And there came a time when you only had one moon as it stands today, and this also occasioned a great deal of change in the manner in which human beings related to the heavenly representations of the Divine forms what anciently would have been called ‘the male and female divine forms.’

And as your solar system continues to navigate and orbit other solar systems in your specific area of the galaxy, the Milky Way, and as they Milky Way orbits around other galaxies in this part of the universe as you know it, and as these groupings of galaxies navigate and orbit around other entire sections of galaxies, your journey across the dimensions of time and space continues to unfold. And the manner in which you celebrate the Equinoxes and specifically the Spring Equinox has held a paramount place in all of the ancient cultures and civilizations of your world.

Only in your present variety of civilization have you relegated these ancient practices to the realm of the superstitious. Only in this unique exploration of a probably timeline are you trying, experimenting with the notion that perhaps you truly have no roots and no ancestry that connects you to the entire framework of physical nature and therefore of your own spiritual heritage, a heritage that is as old as the stars that sing their song to you. But you have forgotten what kind of CD player you need to listen to the stars. This is the consciousness CD player and not compact disc. Do you follow?

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: So indeed you are part of a most ancient heritage, older than the very bones that you find deep inside the earth, older than the dust that comes from the stars, and yet forever newly created in the light of your imagination.

For the time being suffice it to say that in the near future we may expound upon this to great lengths because this is part of the Tantra of All That Is. It is a part of the eternal Gnosis of being. And especially in your North American western civilization, many of your ancient roots and heritages have been forgotten, considered as sometimes little more than the echoes of ancient whispers in the halls of time and memory.

But all you need to do then is to welcome some of these ancient practices that can definitely help you reconnect with the dance of creation, for the dance of creation is also the dance of annihilation, the dance of Shiva. That is the Tantra of All That Is, the Tantra of the Universe, that a star is born of your essence whilst another sleeps for a million years and another awakens and all of life as you know it is transformed, is annihilated only to be born again.

And this is also the time in the Judeo-Christian world for renewal, for death and resurrections. And this is what this means that you die to your old images, to all the notions of yourselves and you are born again as the stars are born, as the sun rises, as the seed is sown and the roots take place. So it is a ritual representation of ancient practices, as ancient as the Universe could possibly be because that is also its Tantra.

So at some future time we may speak more deeply of practices that are incorporated and can be added to your lovely human lives to help you keep in touch with the ancient mysteries of your being such as the rising of the sun on the morning of the Equinox on high and the renewal of life and how your lives actually have not been poisoned or removed from these ancient heritages, that you have simply looked elsewhere to complete and fulfill your lives, but with temporary measures, whilst right at your fingertips in the very recesses of your minds exists realms where you have never been out of touch with the ancient mysteries of your being, which is also the nature of the ancient mysteries of the physical world, of material nature, of the rajas of the creation and annihilation of all things, because all things are illusions, including the illusions themselves.

That is the sweetest of mysteries as spoken by many ancients before us, many other melodious voices even before ours was ever conceived of and will continue even when your voices become the melodious songs that sing and reverberate through the Universe. And thus time and space will come and go and none of it will have left and none of it will remain simultaneously.

Now then we do not wish to get any more Zen than that. (Laughter) And in that space where all things make sense because nothing makes sense, you may have yourselves a Zen-like break, which may mean it will not last. (Laughter)

(Break begins at 8:13.)

Paul H. asked if Kris had given specific dates as to when in the historical past the Earth had three moons and then two and what was the cause of their destruction?

Mark replied that he had only ever heard Kris talk about two moons but never three.

Everyone really enjoyed Kris’ poetic way of presenting the information on the Tantra of All That Is, and Myrna was eager to hear further about the ancient mysteries.

People mentioned that they felt very expanded.

Mark mentioned that the second moon was destroyed by a collision with an asteroid and part of it fell to earth and became the land that formed the Gulf of Mexico. It was questioned as to if that was what caused the demise of the dinosaurs, which occurred in our accepted scientific theory approximately 65 million years ago. Mark said that it was related.

Mark also mentioned that Kris has said dinosaurs are in our future as well.

Paul H. discussed how this would be possible. Given that dinosaurs are part of the blueprint of this reality, whenever the conditions are such that those life forms would be sustainable, then they will reappear. He also mentioned that Elias has said that there are still prehistoric woolly mammoths alive in remote areas of Iceland.

Myrna wanted to ask Kris why it is that certain areas of the world are in touch with their ancient roots while others are not, despite the fact that there are people like herself that have longed for some time to be in touch with the ancient mysteries of their own ancestors.

It was agreed that the key is not so much to find out why we took that path of forgetting but rather how do we can regain those roots that we have lost.

(Kris returns at 8:20)

KRIS: This is an interesting question and we are not certain that a truly in depth answer that does the subject matter any justice can be arrived at in only a few moments. But suffice it to say that many of the ancient cultures on your planet and many of their remnants still have an understanding that your modern world has not grokked yet, and that is that your spirituality and your sexuality are divine expressions of one and the same dance.

You have instead substituted this deep bond with the flow of natural energies with such things as commercialism, business ventures, law suits, McDonald’s (Laughter) and a host of other modern amenities as a substitute to try and fulfill the deeper needs of your soul, soul as in physical flesh and bone soul, a soul that also has genitalia, that has needs and desires. And you have instead tried to substitute those animal cravings for what you believe is a higher calling such as religions that deny you your sexual spirituality as a supposed higher aim for your existence.

And as a result of many of these and other factors that you have developed a schism within the human psyche where you must try to convince yourself or yourselves that your sexual nature, your loving nature, can only find expression in some contexts and not others. And indeed you become burdened with far too many taboos about your sexual natures to the point where you actually need to buy Viagra in the amounts of billions of dollars a year, as if a small blue pill will soothe your deep sexual souls.

And you therefore invent many different psychoses and neuroses as a means to try and extrapolate polarities because the proper natural polarity of your sexual spirituality cannot find its expression in your bodies and you therefore act as if this natural state of creature hood is damnable and must then be avoided.

Thus you also invent a society of denialism where your marriages are in trouble, where your ancient institutions of family structures are rapidly disintegrating because you do not recognize the spiritual sexuality of your diverse selves, both in singular and collective individuals. Thus you set up camps and you behave as if those of you who are in one camp are the righteous and anyone on the other side of the fence is damnable. And such groups have the unmitigated gall to use the Divine as justification. But all it shows is that your neuroses and collective psychoses are deeply troubling.

You have no unification and no unifying rituals. No principles and practices that bring home to your heart that as divine beings you are both sexually and spiritually active, and that these principles now appear to you in your collective psyches as warring factions. Whilst in reality you have caused the schisms in the first place by denying your ancestries and the ancient customs and practices that actually provided you with many safeguards and brought you a certain degree of wholeness and fulfillment.

Thus the heterosexual male that is overflowing with testosterone thinks the only good kind of male is one that should kill homosexuals. And you have the same with females who cannot reconcile their own bi-sexual nature just as some men cannot reconcile their bi-sexual nature.

In many, many ancient cultures all genders, all orientations had a degree of respect and a place of function within that social structures, but your North American culture believes that all such notions have no place in the modern world and you believe also that holding such views is a superior perspective. But such perceptions are misleading indeed.

When the sighted, those that have eyes, think that by becoming blind they become enlightened…..(pause) It is when the blind regain their sight that your societies can begin to function as a whole, when you stop as a society, when you stop treating your elders like something that is now too used to be of any value, when you stop and you begin to apply some principles and practices such as what Elias has expounded upon for some years now, what you Janaki refer to as NIRAA, and what we also have of late described with Triple A’s.

These actions, these rajas, also extend into the singular and collective consciousness and can impart significant change of direction by the mere fact that you recognize what you have lost and what you can regain in a new fashion. That is the purpose of this dance, this Tantra of reality.

So there are many ancient customs and practices that we would like at some point in the near future to spend time on in describing and participating with you in the process to awaken this dormant fulfillment that is within you and help you see that Tide is the only thing that cleanses as well. This is a different kind of penicillin. It is penicillin of the soul and it does not cause side effects, at least not in a negative sense. It does have side effects but these side effects actually help you heal.

Now you try finding a modern medicine that claims that its side effects help you heal. That is our humorous medicine for the time being. (Laughter)

So enjoy another non-break. (Laughter)

(Break begins at 8:35)

Paul H. further talked about Kris’ Triple A (Acknowledge, Address, Accept) practice which was first presented recently at Ellen Gilbert’s group phone session and how that corresponds to Elias’ NIRAA (Notice, Identify, Recognize, Address, Accept), which he believes is a foundational aspect of Elias’ work, this idea of acceptance of self.

This Triple ‘A’ method is what Kris calls a raja, an action, a process.

Myrna wants to ask about the deepening of ‘knowing’ and the various pagan women’s groups she has been involved with. She feels that she will somehow be involved in this deepening of knowing in a way that is not just for women. She believes that there is something important to the ‘getting out into nature’, perhaps at night under the moon, that seems to have facilitated an opening within herself. Jo also is delving into this particular work.

Myrna has a sense of herself as a ‘guardian of the temple’ and that she feels there is something for both men and women in these ancient practices, and Paul H. said he believes it will be a way of healing the split in this modern era, particularly in the area of sexuality and the perversions and atrocities that are perpetrated because of the repression of this powerful fundamental aspect of human beings.

He also mentioned about the recent murder of the 9 year old girl by the non-registered sex offender which has been in the news.

(Kris returns at 8:42)

KRIS: Because of the very nature of incidences such as the sexual murder of this young child and many others that make their way to the public and world news media should immediately alert individuals that their own private distortions on sexual beliefs are reaching critical mass. This is a public statement about the individual views on sexuality and the apparent sexual monsters that hide in the mind, waiting for any opportunity to take and abuse.

And there are of course dozens if not hundreds of variations of perversions on beliefs about sexuality that are at play here.

You also have a large displacement of psychic energy about very plain and simple human sexuality in many of groups of the Religious Right in your North American culture. And these views are at least borderline schizophrenic if not outright schizophrenic concerning healthy human sexual values. There are large amounts of funds beings funneled into specific groups. The Religious Right speak of for instance a ‘hidden gay agenda’, never themselves disclosing their own agenda to eliminate anyone and everything not of their mindset. This has been done before. You have referred to it as the Grand Inquisition.

There is a likelihood that in your so-called very open, very modern North American culture that this will take another birth and another dark age, has the potential to take root in your societies because you think your society is very open-minded and you do not see when the sharks swim underneath you. The more you can apply yourselves to heal those divergent sets of beliefs and bring them together as a unified fulfillment, the more you actually can heal your societies because the individual IS the society and society IS an individual.

When a culture such as your North American world opens its heart and learns the true meaning and value of loving fulfillment, then you can actually enjoy a higher degree of both spiritual and sexual fulfillment because it is no longer seen as an aberration but a part of the Tantra of being. One specific interpretation of Tantra is to bring together, to weave together as a whole. In other words, Acknowledge, Address, Accept. That is a Tantra.

Now then, if you will kindly permit us we will get off our Tantra soapbox. (Laughter)

And feel free to ask questions.

PAUL H: Kris, this is Janaki and I just wanted to ask a follow up question about your reference to three moons during some part of the Earth’s history and then two moons. During break Mark mentioned that he was only aware of a mention of a second moon. And I was just wondering if you could provide a general timeframe for the third moon and its destruction and the second moon and its destruction.

KRIS: Indeed. The second moon met a very crumbly end prior to approximately 65 million odd years into your past in that term. And it is an approximation. There were unfortunately no satellite systems in place to check for the veracity of the time. Do you follow?

PAUL H: Yes indeed. That was a catastrophic celestial event then. Is that part of what changed the ecosystem of the planet toward the extinction of the dinosaurs as we know them?

KRIS: It is one of the contributing factors. This event sent shockwaves and monster tsunamis around the world. Many dinosaurs, entire groups of them, were washed by these monster tsunamis and they ended up in completely different parts of the continent, many of them buried in gigantic graves, so to speak. Do you follow?

ALL: Yes.

JO: It sounds like the Great Flood.

KRIS: There have been many such floods. The floods that appear in many of your sacred writings are a collection of many ancient memories, some in the recent past and some from centuries and millennia before.

The third moon was a satellite from another planet that existed where there is none now, we believe between the Earth and Venus that also met a cataclysmic end to its celestial lifespan. And its satellite, jolted by the breaking apart of the planet in question, was drawn into the gravitational field of the Earth and was magnetically balanced by your present moon and the second moon.

This event is at least possibly 500 million years into the past as you understand time. And its destruction was the result of a war that had participants on Earth, on Mars, on Venus and on this other planet.

PAUL H: So there was a four-way, inter-solar system war?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H: That resulted in the destruction of this planet between Earth and Venus.

KRIS: Indeed, nearly destroyed the planet you call Mars, though much life on it was eliminated. This war was done through weapons of mantra-destruction. Saddam’s weapons pale in comparison. Many of the weapons of nuclear destruction on your planet pale in comparison to the power unleashed through the use of sound mantras as practiced in the ancient Vedic culture in the Rama civilization.

PAUL H: And was that Rama civilization then seeded on those four planets?

KRIS: They were colonies.

PAUL H: Which was the originating planet?

KRIS: (Pause) The originating planet does not exist in Framework 1. (Everyone cracks up)

PAUL H: Well, I asked! I asked, didn’t I?

JIM: Something inter-dimensional.

KRIS: Indeed.

JIM: Through sound.

KRIS: Indeed. (Laughter)

PAUL T: Kris, this is Antolian.

(Kris continues with his previous thought.)

KRIS: These sounds are remembered in the ancient Bhagavat Gita, part of the Mahabharata of the ancient Vedic scriptural writings. Some of these descriptions are recognized as being at least four thousand years old, and if you compared them, the descriptions, to a modern nuclear explosion and subsequent mushroom cloud, you would find that somehow or other time has been displaced because the four thousand year old descriptions were only recognized for what they are in 1945. Do you follow?

PAUL H: Are you referring to the Philadelphia Experiment?

KRIS: Nuclear explosions. Prior to such tests, the descriptions in the Bhagavat Gita were considered to be no more than the flight of fancy. It was a rude awakening when the scientists that created the atom bomb realized that they had the potential to recreate history, the potential to destroy everything.

Does that make sense to you?

PAUL H: Yes and no. These endless cycles of knowledge, wisdom and self destruction, as you opened the session with too, it just ties in with that.

KRIS: Indeed, on the one hand such cycles are entirely natural to the foundational belief structures in your system of reality. In others there is no need to explore those cycles. That is part of the agreement when you come here as expressions of essence.

PAUL H: That makes sense. And just one more question Kris about this originating planet that was inter-dimensional. Would you just care to clarify what that is in relation to this now?

KRIS: (Pause) This planet exists in a plane that physically situated would exist between (pause) Saturn and Mars.

PAUL H: Would it be on Level Two? You know, the mind tries to grasp it, the reality of this thing. How would you distinguish between Level One and Level Two in description of this planet? You mentioned the word ‘plane.’

KRIS: Indeed, that particular celestial body did have a physical presence or counterpart in your physical terms, but there was at one point in time an agreement to take it out of this physical picture. The planet was called Rokar in ancient societies. There was a collective agreement to shift it into another plane altogether and try to recreate a different understanding of the paradigms of foundational belief structures within this reality.

The risk of maintaining this planet in its physical orbit seemed too great. It was collectively agree to shift it. Other layers of reality engage with it, but it is not influential in your terms any longer within your belief systems.

PAUL H: This action, this agreement was collectively done then to obviously make a big change in what remains here.

KRIS: Indeed, you can consider it then in simpler words. It became a probability. It disappeared from your reality but in its appearance only because nothing can truly be destroyed.

PAUL H: I can grok that in terms of essence maintaining its essence focus, and even then the focuses on that planet somehow shifting probabilities in some way involving some kind of forgetting, I’m imagining, or repression barrier. I don’t know what all. But the other focuses on the remaining planets, there must be memory, ancient memory. It’s just that the scale you are describing creation on is a little big right now.

KRIS: And in many ancient writings and myths there are for instance, there is described a great warrior in the ancient Vedic writings, especially the Rama civilization, an ancient evil king, a ruler of immense power described as Rabhana. His city was located according to legends on the subcontinent of Sri Lanka. These are tales trying to recount even more ancient memories and myths from that particular segment of long ago human history.

PAUL H: And you’re saying that human history is at least 500 million years old then?

KRIS: Even older.

PAUL H: (Laughs) Well, 500 million is a nice stretch compared to what our conventional scientists believe.

JO: And in terms of calendars, since we’re on the topic, there’s a theory called The Great Year that maps the calendar according to our solar system’s traverse around another sun. Is that accurate?

KRIS: (Pause) We will simply say that the next five years should be an interesting time for astronomers.

JO: They’re going to discover this revolution, this path around this other sun, it sounds like.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:08

KRIS: Perhaps we can have a small Equinox break and get back to letting you enjoy your living.

(Break begins at 9:09)

There was some discussion about the way that many sources also agree with Kris that human history is much older than we imagine.

Serge and Mark were asked for more information concerning the second moon that Kris talked about. Mark said that the information was given originally on a walk back a couple of years ago. Kris did talk about Mars at that time and how its civilization was destroyed and also about the planet that was between us and Venus and was destroyed and the debris is now what we know as the Asteroid Belt.

There was some discussion about why the one planet that Kris talked about was ‘disappeared’ from this reality and became simply a probability in another dimension. Paul H. wondered if it could be called ‘punishment’, but Mark said Kris had explained that because we had already engaged in this ‘experiment’, it was not necessary for us to go through it again and so this planet was ‘removed’ from this reality so that there was only one occupied planet in this solar system, thereby preventing inter-planetary war in the future, as we know it.

There was a question from Norm about this inter-dimensional planet that Kris mentioned. Mark said that Elias has said that the ancient Vedic civilization never really existed, and Kris has explained that this civilization did not exist in Regional Area 1 and Mark wondered if the Vedic culture actually existed on this other planet. And Paul commented that Elias has said that Regional Area 1 is much vaster than we realize and that individuals have ‘subtle bodies’.

Elias has also said that his perception is that Atlantis is in a different dimension. Mark commented that Kris says that the myth of Atlantis is actually the combination of three different stories. One of the stories was the battle on Mars. The Atlantean myth of the incredible power source is actually in our future. There was also a third story pertaining to the Canary Islands which was incorporated into this myth.

There was also brief discussion about the moon which fell to earth 65 million years ago and the devastation which resulted.

(Kris returns at 9:18)

KRIS: Now then. If your minds have recovered from being boggled perhaps you can think up a question or two.

PAUL T: Kris, this is Antolian.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL T: There is a Cassini spacecraft which has been investigating Saturn and its moons. One of the moons which is extraordinarily interesting, at least to me, is Iapetus. There is a fellow who has theory about this planet, or excuse me, about this satellite of Saturn, that it is irregularly shaped and may even be faceted. He speculates that it may be a constructed moon and gives some theories behind about what it might be constructed of. My impression is that perhaps this is associated with that war.

KRIS: Who is the individual?

PAUL T: Oh boy.

KRIS: Is it perhaps Zechariah Sitchin?

PAUL T: Yeah, it could be. It’s just a fellow who has a web page. I can’t remember the name.

KRIS: Many of the newly discovered moons in the outer reaches of these big planets have found there way there as a result of losing their orbit. Some have sustained damage. Many are not native to their present orbit, so they have a history of traveling. But we can assure you that none of them are used as an observatory to keep an eye out on you guys. (Laughter)

Many of such celestial satellites (pause) can even be considered wayward and some will continue on their way in many generations from now. There are some moons that appear in your system for what they are, but they are not. They are entities or at least source from entities; other kinds of projections of essences as even are some planets. In general all such forms are projections of essence, but there are different qualities involved, just as many of the stars that you see twinkling in the night sky are representative of your own essential forms.

We hope that this is sufficient for an answer. (Laughter)

PAUL T: Of course, it raises more questions than it answers.

KRIS: Indeed. We never claim to solve anything by answering you.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:24

KRIS: Then indeed, we will take leave of your beautiful lovely celestial bodies and may the eternal love that burns deeply in the very cells of your being, may these flames of love always heal the self. And may you have sweet dreams, regardless of what planet you dream of.

ALL: Thank you!

(Session ends at 9:24.)

Triple ‘A’ Housekeeping

March 12, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 12, 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alex (Darrolid), John (Sohars), Myrna (Sharaleene), Paul, and Edee

Roll Call in Delaware: The Ad Hocs – Ellen (Kwaa’Ji), Kaust ( Mahajir), Ann, Stephanie

(Session begins at 7:58.)

KRIS: Then welcome to the Ad Hoc evening. (Laughter) We trust that you are all comfortable, those we have known before and those we meet for the first time on both sides of the lines of communication.

ELLEN: We’re hearing you loud and clear Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. (Pause)

ELLEN: Anything on the agenda tonight?

KRIS: As your educational system and your religious systems and your historical systems have demonstrated to you, civilizations arise and fall like the tides but on a much larger scale of time for they too are like waves. They represent differing and different ways of perception.

Thus your cultures and your civilizations take birth from the cradle of your minds. They are designed according to specific lines of perceptions and manifest themselves in 3-dimensional reality in the historical cultures and civilizations which you seed and interact within, creating what you call history and the timeline.

And through the manifestations from these cultures and civilizations, you see a definitive line of development. You see ancient civilizations such as the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans and so on, and it seems to you that there is a progression into an apparently more evolved state into what you call your modern world civilization, the western world with all of its pretty paraphernalia and amenities and all of its divergent views and politics and philosophies.

And as we mentioned a few weeks ago, you often think that you are each and every one of you are the product of your times, your cultures, your nations, your civilizations, whilst in reality these latter items are the by-product of your ever-changing state of perceptions. And obviously they are not specifically related to the perceptions that you engage with your physical senses and your conscious ego. There is more at play.

There are indeed what we would call two differing but complementary methods of perceptions. There is what we call the sensory perceptions and what we will simply call the meta-sensory perceptions, each dealing with very different states of being.

Sensory perceptions deal with the props and the dramas as they evolve in physical reality. And these are extremely fluid, subject to change, and hold no absolutes, but instead are the result of a wider range that we have named meta-perceptions. This has to do with the entire gambit of subjective experiences, namely the events, the actions or the rajas within consciousness that are afterwards interpreted through your sensory apparatus, which includes the ego construction and appears or manifest as your dearly beloved and physical reality.

And when you widen your cognitive abilities you can discover that often what you hold as truths of everyday life, perceptions of everyday existence, are merely allegorical representations of this meta-perception, which is in itself another mechanism of consciousness which enables you to then take the opportunity to study and examine the beliefs associated with these meta-perceptions which are then transformed into the sensory perceptions.

And thus you have in a nutshell a set of mechanisms that enables you to put physical reality under the microscope so that you realize that the pretty and dearly beloved physical reality, which is sometimes to you perceived as not so pretty, is truly extremely fluid and consists of projections from this mechanism of meta-perceptions. But you have with you innate tools with which to understand that though physical reality has a semblance of permanency and solidity, it is merely reflective of the actions, of the rajas that exist at this level of meta-perceptions.

And these sensory perceptions, your interactions with the props of physical reality, the actions and the events and the conditions and circumstances of the human condition are a reflection of deeper states of awareness that you have access to by examining the scenarios and props and interactions and the uses you make of them.

As such, when you encounter situations and living challenges, you need never feel bereft of tools and resources or feel entrapped like a mouse in a wheel, because the events and the circumstances of the human condition are not specifically the absolute reality but are instead reflective of the realities that you create at this inner subjective meta-perception state where you combine them with your beliefs.

And we do hope that you can grasp the intent and the meaning of these few words and this small soliloquy. There is no reason why the individual ever needs to feel powerless, ineffective or take the easy way out by claiming, ‘Others made me feel this way or others did this and that.’ But that instead you are playing at and with the building blocks of consciousness to understand from the outside in what is this vast field of inner events within which is found this meta museum of meta-perceptions that engages the atoms and the molecules within the universe to become the props of physical reality, including the physical bodies that you give energy to, the buildings, the cars, the cities, other human beings, other creatures and everything that is perceivable through your senses.

Thus sensory perceptions are not what they appear. They are not the truth by any means, but they are an interpretation of truths that you hold and do not bring to your awareness. For instance, you may believe that some men in positions of authority may belittle women; therefore this state and mechanism of meta-perceptions engages the effectiveness of those beliefs and you land in situations where you encounter situations that are designed by you as a means to explore what you hold within the field of this meta-perception.

Next time you find yourself up against a brick wall, next time you think you have painted yourself in a corner, next time you think others have done you an injustice and harm, do not be so quick to think that that is the reality. That is only an illusory perception. The reality exists at a state of meta-perceptions that engages with your inner beliefs.

Again in a nutshell, and we know this is not necessarily a complete program but only a small presentation to give you an edge and to understand the true nature of what is often referred to as human potential development which truly has to do with broadening or widening awareness and perception into the mechanism of meta-perceptions because they are so interlaced with those beliefs that you often from yourselves.

But you have again within you at your psychological fingertips an incredible tool, a potent resource with which you redefine the set of beliefs that you hold, and then as a result of this inner shift, the true malleable, plastic and fluid nature of physical reality shows itself for it will be altered to your sensory perceptions as a confirmation that your work, your acceptance, and your awareness at this meta-perception state have been engaged to your advantage and benefit and not at the expense of others but, in a manner that can also be advantageous and beneficial to others simultaneously.

Thus now we will get off our soapbox and we may end up having a glass of wine in Sid’s Café. (Laughter) Do take a small break and discuss amongst yourselves whilst we give Joseph’s vocal cords a rest.

[Sid’s Café is a small humorous article that John wrote.]

(Break begins at 8:19.)

Kaust mentioned that he found it interesting that Kris talked about meta-perceptions because of the concept of meta-data relating to computers that he was thinking about earlier.

Ann commented that she was very struck by what Kris said about ‘beliefs that we hide from ourselves.’

Stephanie made a number of comments pertaining to what we view as the historical timeline being linear where in fact it is not and we are able to touch the past and the future in whatever way we wish in order to collect the data we are desiring in order to create our reality, which not only helps ourselves but others at the same time.

Alex mentioned that the concept that when we are having a problem with someone else it is a reflection of ourselves can be very challenging. She commented that in her life to address an uncomfortable situation with a family member is a way of addressing the situation within herself and this can be very difficult.

Ellen remarked about how this was also meaningful to her with various situations she has been going through in the recent past concerning ending friendships that were not beneficial and how challenging it is to understand where the responsibility lies. Ann added that sometimes it boils down to knowing when it is best to discontinue a relationship that feels unhealthy.

Alex then responded that for her there also enters in the feeling of guilt surrounding the relationship situation.

(Session resumes at 8:26.)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are discussing in this way. The majority of difficulties occur when you take physical reality, the world of ordinary existence at face value and consider it the only reality that is before you, whilst in truth it is a reflection much like seeing a tree reflected on the shores of the lake and then try to climb the tree that is in the water… not very practical unless you wish to wash yourself and your clothes at the same time.

By addressing those deeper states such as beliefs and perceptions that have to do with a guilty nature, you will for instance, and notice we are not looking at anyone, but you will for instance keep manufacturing reflective events that show you that you hold perceptions, meta-perceptions about a guilty nature somehow or other. Once you dig deeper in that area and examine that a guilty nature is not your true nature but it too is artificial, it can be replaced with one that is far more practical and healthy as long as you do not hold any convictions that state that somehow or other you still have something to get out of playing the guilty individual. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yes

This is a method by which you can wash your brains and Mr. Clean need not be involved. (Laughter) Unless of course he turns you on.

ELLEN: I kind of like those muscular bald-headed guys myself. (Laughter)

KRIS: Now. You again have very powerful tools, so powerful that the imagery of your inner connections at that meta-perception state is projected through and appears interpreted for you 3-dimensionally through the auspices of those lovely liars, the physical senses. They give you an indication of energy patterns and structures and you believe that this is factual; whilst in reality it is reflective. Again you are taking the reflection of the tree in the water for the tree itself.

It is a matter of changing your focus from the water to the land. In other words direct your awareness from the physical senses and sensory perceptions inwardly into what we have referred to in the past as an inner field of events where the subjective self has its experiences and use this mechanism of meta-perceptions to examine under the microscope if you wish what is within that is being reflected without that may not necessarily be to your advantage until you can embrace the idea that you can direct your inward gaze toward another set of beliefs about yourself, about your world, others, your governments, those deities that you may worship, and so on.

And again we realize this is a rather simplistic dissertation, but it is not a great mystery of mysteries that this magic is ever active. This magic exists because you are the magic. Without you not only is there no magic, there are no pretty reflections in the waters of life and the whole of history is bereft of your lovely self.

Therefore when you look at history and the great things that countless civilizations have created and given YOU, know that those things, those gifts from ancient or future civilizations and the civilizations themselves are reflections of various meta-perceptions that you hold at this objective level.

So this is an attempt to look at reality from the inside out. And once you begin playing with such a concept and embrace the simple principles involved, then indeed the world is your oyster, whether you like them raw or smoked. (Laughter)

Perhaps you have questions.

KAUST: Kris, this is Kaust. I just wanted to ask you about your suggestions as to what we should do if the reflection that we’re seeing is painful and we do not wish to deal with it.

KRIS: Then if you notice that the reflection is causing you distress or anything that you deem unpleasant, look to the source of the reflection. Look to the tree on the shore and not the tree in the water, meaning engage your subjective awareness. Look at your meta-perceptions, which literally rest upon the beliefs that you hold.

Remember the analogy we used earlier about an individual causing you grief or distress, which ends up making you feel guilty. The beliefs engaged are what you hold at this state of meta-perceptions. Therefore your lovely self does everything in its power to reflect what you believe. You cannot blame it for doing its job. Correct?

KAUST: Yes.

KRIS: But you can, however, give it a different set of tools, resources, of maps, of scripts. Engage different beliefs at this state of meta-perception. And look at how it will then be reflected in the physical world for you to examine and determine whether this is suitable for you, otherwise being practical. It would serve no purpose to try and engage a belief structures that would be reflected as giving you two heads simply because you believe two heads are better than one. You would confuse your hairdresser. (Laughter)

All joking aside, you do determine the outcome of your existence and all of its pretty reflections because the truth is not in the reflection. The truth exists in what gives the reflection and what is that truth? That is you. And we are not merely addressing the ego construction of your lovely beings, though it is valid and necessary for your engagement within physical existence.

That truth, that you are, transcends all notions of time and space because it is eternal and immortal and it is truthfully always in a state of being and becoming simultaneously. Therefore, to search high and low, to search through books and teachings and teachers to find out what is the ultimate truth and absolute truth and simultaneously discount and dishonor your lovely selves is one of the greatest sins ever perpetrated. For you indeed ARE THE TRUTH! Your beliefs are not truths; they are just that, beliefs, convictions. You are the truth that feeds the beliefs. We wish to share with you this because it is a truth that you are truth.

Now we will give you another truthful break and enjoy yourselves.

(Break begins at 8:42.)

There was further discussion pertaining to Kaust question to Kris about how to deal with a person which you don’t like and how Kris made it clear that you really cannot blame the other person because they are a reflection of you, you brought them to you.

Alex mentioned that she feels guilty when she does not feel guilty enough.

(Sarah sat on phone cord and the connection to Delaware goes dead. A new call is placed.)

Ann commented that when she is faced with the part the part of herself that she doesn’t like so much she has found that having compassion for the disliked portion of herself is very helpful.

Ellen said that Kris gave her three “A” words in her last private session. They were Acknowledge, Address and Accept. ‘Acknowledge’ what is happening. ‘Address’ it or face up to it. And then ‘Accept’ it.

It was the general consensus that even though this is easy to say it is often difficult to put into practice.

Alex discussed her perception concerning the ego that it’s important to make friends with the ego and to not allow the ego to feel threatened, and she finds this a real challenge.

After attending the group sessions for some months now, Myrna commented that one thing that has really stood out for her was the concept of aspects and that at the meta level, everything that comes into one’s life is an opportunity to look at that as reflecting an aspect of themself. (Ellen suggested this would be ‘addressing.’)

(Session resumes at 8:52.)

KRIS: Indeed the loveliest part of this Triple ‘A’ system is that you will encounter your own belief structures of guilt in all its forms, especially for individuals who grew up in the Judeo-Christian environment in any of its forms because the basis tenet of that overall reality projection is that somehow or other the very fact that you are born is a sin- guilty, guilty, guilty, and you swallow it hook, line and sinker.

And as Darrolid pointed out, many times when you have not filled your basket with enough guilt during the day, you become guilty again. (Laughter) And you play the game. You juggle. You juggle these beliefs. You sometimes wear them as a badge (of honor).

The idea behind the Triple ‘A’ system is that it can lead you into incredible nested layers of selfhood. And each layer you can apply the Triple ‘A’ system over and over to clean house, so to speak, by recognizing what it is that you hold at this layer of meta-perceptions that is then reflected through the auspices of the physical world. And you do this singularly and collectively.

Thus tyrants and saviors rise out of the cradle of your mind singularly and collectively as an expression of the polarities of belief systems you hold at the meta-perception level. And the key of course is to accept, not judge yourselves inferior or less creative or not as good as the Joneses in your abilities to create your perceptions. That is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that you understand that you are truth and you can reflect that in your daily events.

And we are not speaking of creating saviors and saints nor sinners, but that you at least tap into the greater potential that is yours. Does that mean that you are somehow or other accused of having used less potential? Indeed not. It means that you have potential for growth and awareness. That is the nature of the shift.

As the individual shifts so your civilization will reflect that. There is no other way because you are truth.

Do you have other lovely questions?

ANN: Kris, this is Ann speaking. I have a question harkening back to something you said earlier about the physical senses, those lovely liars.

KRIS: Indeed.

ANN: Yeah, and I have recently been trying to or thinking of my body as a way to help me to see the true reflection or to help guide me in a healthier way, and I was wondering if you could clarify for me if when you say the physical senses as lovely liars, not to trust the body? Or have I misunderstood you?

KRIS: Your body, your physical nature is itself a reflection of whom and what you think about yourself at that meta-perception level concerning yourself. The physical senses are referred by us as lovely liars because they convince you that objects are solid, that there is no space between or rather there is emptiness between two objects or more objects, that perceptions and all of the reflections are interpreted by the physical senses as being reality.

Your eyes have rods and cones and they interpret specific bands of light that give form to the atoms and the molecules and the particles of consciousness that are all about you. Your physical senses convince you that you are you and the other is the other, whilst in reality you are not separated but you function as a psychological whole of all-ness. The entirety of human race and human civilizations is indeed a holon-centric projection of truth, but not the truth.

So the senses are also performing magnificently within their range of perception, but they are not the truth. But because you work within the perimeters of specific laws of physics, we do not encourage you to try and walk through the walls unless of course you look forward to a bruised nose. Do you follow?

ANN: Yes. Is there ever an instance where you can learn to trust something truthful that your body is trying to tell you?

KRIS: Just as the tree reflected in the water lets you know that there is a tree that is causing the reflection, so the physical body has its own means of communicating with you the individual that in cases of symptoms and disease and illness signaling to you that at that meta-perception level you are engaging in beliefs that are definitely not to your advantage but can be used to your advantage.

So you can trust the physical body. We referred to the physical sense as liars ONLY because when you look through them, through your eyes, you listen through your ears and you touch through your hands you perceive a concrete reality. But it appears that way to the senses and that is the feedback you get. But other than that there is a greater reality that you can also discover, and that greater reality is self because it is truth. Does that make some sense to you?

ANN: Could you repeat that last bit that you just said? We had a little breakup.

KRIS: Where did you miss?

ANN: I’m not sure!

KRIS: We prefer if you send through Joseph the voice file. Ellen’s familiar with downloading this. And it can be shared with you.

ANN: All right.

KRIS: Now is there something else that you are inquiring?

STEPHANIE: Hello Kris. This is Stephanie. My question becomes not so much the perception of what’s there or not there but with some of the work that I do and working with others making them aware and accepting their creations of their life, which everyone is always in different stages therein of, when things come to them whether they’re warnings or they’re hints to help them, they express to me that they have issues of [inaudible word]. Is there a way to help them realize messages that come through from whatever plane or realm they come and then how to put these messages into a better context so they can see how they would have to change the image of the tree from the tree itself.

KRIS: Firstly, any such individual in question can benefit from the Triple ‘A’ method and acknowledge to themselves those subordinate proofs that they feed themselves on a daily basis, and recognize what they wish to perpetuate. It is not an easy thing to answer for each individual has his or her valid reasons for engaging the dramas of life.

Most individuals may come to you or go to others because they want to try and fix the flat tire without recognizing that the car has rusted apart. (Laughter)

STEPHANIE: I understand that one. Yes.

ELLEN: That’s acknowledging.

KRIS: The idea then is when you recognize that the whole vehicle needs an overhaul then you go to the garage and that inner mechanic is self.

We hope that this satisfies your curiosity for the time being.

May we ask the time now?

MARK: 9:06.

KRIS: Are there others who have questions on either side of the lines?

KAUST: Kris, I have a very quick question if you can answer it quickly. I have a friend who works on shifts and he has to switch from day shift to night shift quite often and he’s having trouble sleeping. Can you offer any advice regarding that? Just quickly. You need not go into detail.

KRIS: (Pause) Now we have to warn you that this cannot be done quickly.

KAUST: (Laughs) Okay. Take your time then.

KRIS: Is your friend open to visualizations and meditations?

KAUST: He is. Yes.

KRIS: Indeed then. We will do our best to speak loudly and clearly and you can then deliver a recording later on.

KAUST: Okay. Thank you.

KRIS: Now. Anyone can benefit from this as well if there is sleeplessness and other anxieties as well not necessarily limited to trying to fall asleep.

In your mind’s eye see yourself walking amongst lush hillsides looking at the trees and to the horizon in the distance. And look towards the sky for those very nice fluffy clouds that gently roll on by on a beautiful sunny summer afternoon.

And invite one of those large fluffy clouds to come down to you in such a manner that you can actually recline as in a chair into the soft nature of the cloud. And being thus carefully and nicely wrapped in the softness and the fluffiness of the cloud, the cloud should be allowed to do what it does best and that is to rise in the sky, to float higher and higher.

And as the cloud floats higher and higher to join its brethren in the sky you can release all your impediments, all your stresses. And as the cloud continues to rise and eventually joining its brethren, it now floats to the sky with all the worries, all the concerns. Everything that you normally focus upon also floats away enticing you to a lovely deep rest that leads into healthy, healing sleep.

And allow the cloud to continue until you fall asleep.

Now we hope that this has not put everyone to sleep. (Laughter)

And we also hope we did not cloud any issues here.

ELLEN: Good one. (Laughter)

KRIS: Your friend can benefit from this very quick interaction.

KAUST: Okay thanks a lot, Kris.

KRIS: There are likely other elements involved here, but if you can introduce to your friend the Triple ‘A’ method then it will also be beneficial.

KAUST: Okay.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:13.

KRIS: Indeed then we thank you humbly and deeply for your consideration and for having taken the time to allow our voice to reflect back to you your truthfulness. And with that we release you all to your lovely cloudlike selves.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

(Session ends at 9:13.)

There was some discussion about how different people perceive Kris’ accent. Because Kris is multi-dimensional, his accent is cosmopolitan. Chinese people say it sounds Chinese, Polish people say it sounds Polish and so on and so on.

Serge asked Paul, who had not attended before, if he found what Kris said to be understandable and Paul said that it became easier to understand as he went along.

John asked what the others thought the theme was for the evening. Mark said that he was going to call the session The Triple ‘A’ Housecleaning Services and he is calling Ellen’s group the Ad Hocs.

Serge asked for other input on this question. Edee said that Kris was intellectualizing what she has been learning how to live and practice in her own life.

It was also mentioned that Kris has a way of verbalizing what people who interact with reality emotionally (emotives) are experiencing in their own way.

Edee mentioned she felt the buildup of energy before Kris came in and Serge related his experience when he returned from surgery last year in April. Even though Kris only spoke for 15 minutes the energy was very strong in order to assist and revitalize Serge and Mark to recover from the frightening experience Serge went through with his surgery and hospitalization. They then shared some of the details of their ordeal.

Paul was asked his impressions of the session and he said that when Kris was there he felt the energy increasing and was able to see a crowd of people around the room. He could see the channels of energy going into Kris from the participants. He was not able to make out the faces of the crowd of people that he saw.

Alex mentioned that Paul is very psychic and sees energy easily. He has had this gift for some time and also commented that his animal spirit guide, a black panther, came and sat beside him for most of the session because it does not usually travel with him.

Myrna asked Paul how he works with his gift whether he does anything like channeling and he said he does not it just comes to him and he sometimes finds it challenging to deal with this ability.

(Kris returns at 9:37.)

KRIS: Now then since Joseph took the liberties and put you on the spot, we believe we might do the same.

Now, your gift, your ability in this lifetime are one facet of other abilities as an eternal immortal self you are developing and literally playing with, discovering the boundaries that you can push further and further. One extremely interesting incarnation of yours, an expression of essence, occurred approximately at the time of the beginnings of the first millennium. The individual that was holding the Papal seat at that time had a counselor and YOU were that individual and you were specifically hired because of some of your abilities with foresightedness, premonitions.

But often individuals finding themselves in some situations where a little bit of self interest can be sprinkled into the mix, you thought you were manipulating and tried to take advantage of the individual and the body of the religious organization the Pope controlled. We do not mean to say that you were a Rasputin, but you had your own agendas and approximately 36th or 37th year of age you thought you could bite more than you could chew and you were found out because your position was meant to be secret. That is how the Pope at that time had managed such riches and manipulation of royal houses and emperors’ families to come under his subjugation and you thought you could sneak in a few extra gold coins for your pocket.

You were caught. You were defamed. You were made into a heretic and burned at the stake. Not a pleasant experience. There are other ways to get roasted. (Laughter)

Thus in this lifetime you are more cautious. You are even hesitant and you are very guarded.[Kris folds his hands over his heart as he says this.] You keep yourself close to yourself. Do you follow?

You express a personality of quietness, introspection, but you are a thinker and you think deep and you do not display all of, you do not divulge all of the information that comes to you because there is an echo from that lifetime that could put you under the hot seat. (Laughter)

So this time you are utilizing your potentials in a different way that is beneficial to you and others without that element of greed. Now we believe that this lifetime for you will not only be most fulfilling at least in many areas, at least fulfilling enough that when you disengage you will not necessarily create any other personalities.

ALEX: Kris, I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: What is his…..is Paul a guide for me? A teacher for me?

KRIS: Has he not already acted in that capacity?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: Okay. I balance him?

KRIS: Indeed. You are much of a balancing element.

ALEX: Have we had past lives together?

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: Will this be my last lifetime?

KRIS: Indeed not. (Laughter)

Now the trick to that sordid topic is for you to examine what you perceive having more lives means. Does it mean more drudgery? Or other opportunities to discover what else you are as a truth? That is the eternal question.

Now then we simply wanted to share some small things with you and we do hope that you would feel comfortable enough to return at your leisure. Now with that we will give you all a blessed evening.

(Session ends at 9:44.)

During informal chatting after the session Paul mentioned that when Kris came back the last time he (Paul) had seen a man standing behind Serge. This man was good looking, approximately 35 or so with long black hair, green eyes, an earring, and wearing a monk’s hood. Serge speculated that perhaps it was the expression of Paul’s essence that Kris had talked about.

Emmy van Swaaij

March 10, 2005

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Emmy van Swaaij
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on March 10, 2005

[MARK’S NOTES: Emmy called me that night to tell me about her dreams. She was a bit freaked out to say the least. I was able to calm her down enough where she could go back to sleep. It wasn’t long after those dreams that she had this session with Kris.]

[SUMMARY OF THE DREAMS:

Before going to bed, Emmy decided to try out the “Dream Garden Practice” that she read about in the book, “Kris Chronicles: The Nature of Inner Transformations”. She was lying comfortably in bed and in her mind’s eye grabbed all of the tools that she would need for working in her garden. The walk to her garden (in her mind) was sunny and bright, but as she got to the garden everything changed.

The garden… HER garden was a mess. It was like a bomb went off. At first she thought, okay I’ll fix it up, but soon realized that it was a huge job and that she couldn’t do it on her own. She looked around and saw portions of her garden were in ‘okay’ condition, but she recognized that THIS part of the garden needed her attention.

She fell asleep.

In her first dream she was told by a classmate that they were all going on a ‘fun trip’ to Auschwitz. Emmy was horrified and declared that she would not go! Emmy is aware of some focuses that she has had that dies there. She has experienced them in the dream state and therefore has no interest in going to Auschwitz for ‘fun’. She was both angry and horrified.

Then the dream changed. She became slightly lucid. In the dream she was flying and started to fly even higher. She noticed an intense light floating in the air and felt a presence. Kris appeared in an intense way that she is unable to describe.

He speaks to her before she sees him. His appearance is strong, friendly, calm and intense. He chooses his words carefully. He was asking about one of her focuses when she suddenly realized that Auschwitz was directly beneath them and that horrible spot in her garden was Auschwitz.

KRIS: What are you exploring at this moment?

(No response)

KRIS: How long did you survive here? How long did you live there (from your perspective)?

EMMY: I don’t know, some time. (Laughing nervously)

He asked more questions about that focus and he knew she couldn’t handle the questions. She could not answer at that moment. One very important thing was that he wanted her to find the answers or at least almost all of them. He also wanted her to realize that she can’t recover from this trauma just like that. Not overnight anyway.

The whole time Kris was asking her questions, he was also eating a delicious meal. Trying frantically to answer all of the questions, Emmy began to vomit. Kris was unaffected by the vomiting and just continued to eat his wonderful meal.

Emmy then woke up a little and fell into another dream where she experienced a focus of hers named Aurora who was a female dancer who occasionally suffered from epileptic seizures. He boyfriend was usually there with her when she had her seizures and he would take care of her. They had a signal. When Aurora was starting to come out of the seizure she would give a thumbs up to let him know that she was going to be okay.

Since all of our focuses are interconnected, Emmy realized that her dream experience where she was vomiting actually rippled through and caused Aurora to have a seizure during dance class or rehearsal. Emmy was able to experience being both Emmy and Aurora at the same time. With Emmy’s help Aurora was able to give her boyfriend the thumbs up and then she woke up.

It is also important to note that Emmy feels a connection or similarity between Aurora’s boyfriend and Emmy’s boyfriend Gert-Jan.]

(Session begins)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable.

EMMY: I am.

KRIS: As you have noticed, your dreams are leading you into quite different areas and experiences and you are through the dreams travelling in almost a foreign emotional atmosphere very much the same as someone would travel through a foreign land. But the land in these cases is emotional and psychological. So it is a different territory with sufficient landmarks to allow you to recognize perhaps some degree of familiarity. You are also recognizing something else, that you have perhaps an undefined, not yet clearly determined or distinct relationship with ourselves and the reason for this is, that in many respects your own source has an affiliation with ourselves. And it makes it easier then for these types of communications to exist at those specific levels. So in your dreams when we ask you questions…

EMMY: Yes

KRIS: …You may hear something different from what you remember, you’ll remember a close approximation but you might by that time already have lost certain nuances or shades [of grey] because at those deeper dream levels information is not spoken…

EMMY: Yes indeed

KRIS: …But it is, we would have to use the word “minded”, because it is shared at those levels of the mind, and it is usually done in the form of imagery that contains vast amounts of material or information.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: So when these things are “minded” in that way, you may only recall those small portions that you can capture and that make sense to your focus.

EMMY: Yes! Indeed.

KRIS: And not necessarily recall any of the larger body of the material, and there is nothing wrong with this.

EMMY: No.

KRIS: The conscious portion of your awareness can only deal with what are within its parameters. Once you step outside of that field then indeed a greater amount of information is share, from what you have minded and been minded.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: Thus at those specific levels you may believe that you vomited, but that is how the conscious imagery would have been interpreted from a purging. Which is not unlike vomiting, purging of deep emotional residue.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: So the questions that we asked you, the material that was minded to you helped you recognize the need to let go of certain attachments.

EMMY: Yes indeed.

KRIS: Mostly of an emotional nature to some of your other focuses, giving them the opportunity in return to do their own purging and then continue on their journey.

EMMY: Yes

KRIS: Without feeling that there is some baggage to carry around and we believe that you may already have noticed since the dream [that] there is something different within your perception. There is a different degree of understanding and a lightness of being that may even feel still somewhat unsettling but refreshing simultaneously. There is a strength that you did not have before and is now available to you.

EMMY: Yes indeed, I noticed that and I’m feeling way more relaxed like some heavy baggage fell of my shoulders or something. And, with everything, and I’m not that focussed anymore on certain areas.

KRIS: Indeed, now if you consider what occurs at the physical level when you vomit or when there is any kind of purging it is usually that the body uses those methods to release and clean out toxins. And there are also psychological toxins that have to do with emotional charges but that are no longer suitable to keep within your [physical or body] environment.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: So those charges having to do with other focus experiences and even experiences of yours in this particular lifetime were no longer necessary but you still held on to them because they were considered part of your identity.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: In another example consider when the lizard or the snake or even the shrimp casts off its old skin or its shell because it needs to grow and the old is too tight. So it sheds its skin to grow. This is a similar process.

EMMY: It also feels that way indeed.

KRIS: And you may notice if you return to your Dream Garden experiment that, though there might still be a few corners in some disarray but overall the garden is much improved.

EMMY: Yes indeed.

KRIS: And your own dream experiences will be quite different. There is an edge of clarity you did not have before, as if you can perceive further or in greater detail and of increased awareness within those deep out of body states.

EMMY: Yes indeed like that last dream I had where I was at my parent’s house and I travelled with I think a guide and some others to that other place with the bridge and I lost concentration for a second and then I think I voiced your name first and then I saw the lights again, there were greenish lights and then I visited like a party or something. (Laughs) There with a lot of information.

KRIS: So you are entering into a different phase of your own widening of awareness that is an important stage even though there is still a need to interpret from one state of consciousness into another so that it makes sense. The ego is learning to participate and that is important because no growth can occur if you are resisting and the ego resists the growth. So this has allowed you to have a different perspective.

EMMY: Yes indeed.

KRIS: Now do you have questions?

EMMY: Well yes, some! I understand I was also looking at more things at the same time while sitting there with you

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And also my Aurora focus had an experience at the same time is that correct?

KRIS: Yes.

EMMY: And I was there also, with her in a way and I thought that very interesting, how it’s all connected and I also find it logical in a way that it is connected and after that dream I called Mark and he emailed me then about the Brahm group and that I was also [part of Brahm], he had a feeling that I was also one of the sixteen?

KRIS: Yes, indeed

EMMY: So after I read that email I had a lot of energy also, very bouncy feeling and now it’s more resting again but, yes that was interesting and can you say something about that?

KRIS: The Brahm energy is vast but not necessarily in terms that are commonly understood, there is a depth to this vastness. It’s not a geographical but more so a psychological vastness that is imbedded one state into another. So there are always degrees of selfhood involved. And your own source is part of such a project. Now we gave the number of 16 but there are more.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: But predominantly these 16 and you are part of that body that we consider to be ourselves on a larger scale. And this does not diminish on either yours or any other Essences individuality but, can indeed enrich because there are no stand apart, stand alone individualities.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: We are all part of each other. This applies not only at the physical level, but also at any other levels of existence, consciousness and selfhood. And that is the nature of identity. Even though you think of yourself in terms separate from the environment, from other members of the family and loved ones. You are still an intimate part of all of these environments, as is the body of Essence and you have many Essence bodies as well.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: So this is a very far reaching concept.

EMMY: Yes indeed. I notice that I am a bit blurry at the moment.

KRIS: That is fine. Your abilities to notice many things, simultaneously is a part of that process and you only notice those things because you haven’t noticed everything so far. So there are still more things that can be noticed but, with practice and in time, you’ll attain those perceptions. Does that make sense to you?

EMMY: Aha I see, yes it does make sense I can…

KRIS: Imagine for a moment that you are standing on a beautiful beach, with the sea nearby the waves and your feet are in the warm sand and you begin to focus on the sand underneath your feet. As you keep focusing you can actually identify a SINGULAR grain of sand from all of the others, out of all of the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of grains of sand on that one beach alone. You can isolate the experience of the one grain of sand. Now in multiple focuses, you would be able, for instance, you would be able to individually hold each and every SINGULAR grain of sand on the entire beach in your consciousness. As well as, be aware of all of the other grains of sand on all of the other beaches EVERYWHERE. Not only that, but your perceptions can be enlarged to include how the grain of sand becomes a grain of sand quite possibly from an enormous mountain that is worn down by the weather, the wind and the rain, avalanches, other natural phenomenon until the enormous mountain is eventually reduced to one singular grain of sand and you might expand your awareness to include all of the processes involved.

That is an example of the kinds of information that is shared at that level of existence that cannot necessarily be comprehended by the ego. So it must drop the information, but you may have sufficient hints or indications in your dream records to know that there is still more to be perceived. You have simply not learnt to focus there yet.

EMMY: Indeed, I’ve noticed that in dreams I’ve had lately.

KRIS: One dream at a time. The idea is to enjoy the journey and the adventures you now have and as time goes by and you grown in various perspectives, your concepts will change and what you hold valuable in a concept today, may be so altered in the future. You will not be able to put the old into the new, but it does not mean that the old concepts are invalid. You have simply outgrown them. They are valuable at their stage and are not applicable at another, but still valuable.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: Now even though we have not said so directly, all of this information, you’ll see in one way or another takes shape in the dreams somehow and then more. So we suggest and encourage you to continue using dream states, out of body states and so on and use them for the purposes at hand. That is to grow in awareness.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: You have already discovered something else though you might not have verbalized it to yourself but, your projections out of body, your adventures in these states are present in your dreams [and] also indicate that you have a fundamental understanding that death is not the final stage but merely one of many other stages of life and life processes. Though at the physical level you might still cringe at the idea of death and dying you are already aware that there is so much more.

EMMY: Indeed, yes I noticed that in dreams also.

KRIS: We encourage you to continue working with your dreams. It may not be apparent to you now, but perhaps in 8 to ten years from now you may have a completely different employment but we can not delve in this at this time.

EMMY: No, I understand that. (Laughing)

KRIS: But a different life path will open itself up to you. And you’ll find it so easy to slip in to but it will involve people and their well being.

EMMY: Yes just like with the transformation I made with playing first viola and then cello. It was an easier step then I thought.

KRIS: This will be a bit more challenging but easy to fall into.

EMMY: And will also my surrounding people understand?

KRIS: Some will, others may not necessarily understand, but will trust that you know what you are getting yourself into.

EMMY: Okay.

KRIS: Now we do not wish to stay on the line any further but, we do thank you and deeply appreciate your presence and your invitations in the dream states.

EMMY: Okay, thank you.

KRIS: And in the meantime good dreaming.

EMMY: Thank you very much.

(Session ends)

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