Mirror of Self
December 13, 2004
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 13, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.
Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Alex (Darrolid), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-leene)
Roll Call in Castaic: Paul H. (Janaki), Jo H. (Rosalie), Paul T. (Antolian), Gail Becker (Sofia), Drew Sokol (Onoru), Ester Trevino (Benata), Jim Pickerell (Jericho), and visiting from Oregon, Norm (Ambrose) and Reta (Leihuu) Farb.
Session begins at 8:01
KRIS: We are glad that you are all gathered and regardless of the climate that you are all warm.
ALL: Hi Kris.
KRIS: Indeed. We acknowledge your lovely presence.
There are many fascinating ways to explore, investigate and understand what self is. And as you are all wondering about the mirrors you have been asked to bring, then we can tell you that it has to do with another way to explore and experience self. And since you have already talked about the gestalt of self and its various aspects, then we will simply continue in that vein.
The exercise with the mirror will be a continuation of the “Practice of Perspectives”, and we intend to help each and every one of you experience different aspects of your own personhood. So if you are all anticipating what to do with the mirrors, then we may proceed. Are you in agreement?
ALL: Yes.
KRIS: Indeed. And everyone at your end of the line has their own small mirror?
CASTAIC GROUP: Yes.
KRIS: Ideally everyone should have their own. Then we suggest that you pick up your mirror and look at the image that is reflected back to you.
Now we did not say look at yourself in the mirror but at the image that is reflected back to you, for it should be evident that this is not necessarily who you are but an image, one aspect of who you are. Do you follow?
ALL: Yes.
KRIS: Look at that image. And you are bound to notice things, impressions, feelings that only you are familiar with and no one else can recognize just as you are bound to not notice feelings, impressions and perceptions that the others would pick up from this image of you.
If you look deeply into the eyes of the image in the mirror, you yourself may detect impressions and feeling tones that under normal circumstances you would not take the time to perceive. And if you gaze even more deeply, gaze into the depths of the eyes that are looking back at you, you might even detect impressions and feeling tones that you might not necessarily be entirely comfortable with. And these are just as varied as any other perceptions that you detect.
And you might gaze even more deeply into those eyes and get in touch with feelings and perceptions of other parts of yourself that you do not appreciate or that you might not have noticed or that you consider best to keep locked away. And take a moment to notice the gambit of feeling tones that you have detected over these last few moments as you gaze into the eyes reflecting back to you. Each feeling and perception accompanied by its own history, its own events and memories and attachments, its likes and its dislikes and how you overall feel concerning the image in the mirror.
And even though you know that this image which is not you does represent a multitude of facets and aspects of your own being altogether, simultaneously you and not you at the same time.
And now extend your arm at length so that the mirror is as far away from your face as possible, and turn to an individual next to you either to your right or to your left, it matters not. The gender matters not. The person matters not. But from your end cover that person’s face with the mirror so that your face replaces theirs but the body is not yours.
Pay attention to the thoughts the feelings that rise up in your awareness. How does it make you feel to know that this is you but a different you? That you are apparently still the same person but you have suddenly acquired a different body or even different gender altogether?
Notice what you may like about that new self of yours. Are there feelings, emotions, perceptions that you may appreciate more than others? Looking at your face but with this different body, how do you now feel about yourself? Become fully aware of the gambit of feelings and thoughts that cross through your consciousness at this time.
And now take the mirror and cover somebody else’s face with it. Switch it around to someone different so that now you have the same face but a different body. And notice as that new person what kind of history you may have. What kind of thoughts and emotions. What kind of challenges and successes. What victories and failures and joys and sorrows. How do you feel as your new self?
Now take your lovely mirror and bring it back towards your own self and notice if there is any different sensation, perception, feeling tone, emotion, thoughts. How do you feel about yourself now? Have any of your previous perceptions shifted? Has anything been altered? Pay attention to what arises in your awareness.
And now you may take a deep breath and put your mirrors down.
Would anyone care to share of their experience? On either side of the phone line.
JOHN: Well, I could jump in.
KRIS: Indeed
JOHN: That was fun, especially the bit about putting your head on somebody else’s body. That was big. Coming back. Kris, you mentioned to wonder whether or not others might see things different than we might see in ourselves and things we might see in ourselves different than what other people might see. That definitely changed at the end of the exercise because when I realized that the other people here were me and that I could see parts of myself in them that they couldn’t see……it gets very complex. But anyway the second time around coming back to see me again I felt more comfortable and more at home in me because I knew that even if I couldn’t see me clearly, that I could as the other me’s see me more clearly.
KRIS: That indeed makes much sense as you have captured the gist of our intent. Does anyone else with to share?
ESTER: When we first started looking in the mirror I could feel very negative emotions flowing in light of what you were saying about noticing our emotions and perceptions. And once we started moving to the first person outside and especially to the second one I could feel a release in my stomach like it had been tight all this time and then it was just relaxed. And it was very physical even though it was a change in perception it was very physical and when I came back to me the strangest part for me was that my face looked more relaxed like it was more at peace. I looked at my face and it was more at peace. And it was more like a body reaction for me.
NORM: I experienced the same thing Ester did. When I returned to myself after looking at my face with a different body I came back and was much more at peace with myself. I have recently been attempting to realize that I love my body consciousness, and I felt very relaxed at the end and very pleased that I think maybe I’m starting to do that.
KRIS: Indeed. Most commendable.
PAUL H: My attention drifted a little bit because I was using a scrying mirror. I don’t think that’s cheating. I hope it wasn’t. So I sort of had a little bleed through of another focus and kind of explored that initially. Then when we went to others I had Norm and Rita who are here, so I had the experience of a male and a female, and I just got to project into them being them and it relaxed me greatly to not be me anymore with all of my issues and things and angst and whatever. But then trying to imagine their version of it brought me back. And then when I came back to myself I had that same relaxed feeling, a very relaxed feeling. I also had a bleed through of my brother who resembles me physically. It was kind of an interesting bleed through that continued throughout.
KRIS: Indeed. Please continue.
MYRNA: I particularly enjoyed looking at my eyes. I was made aware a few years ago through some shamanic practices that the left and the right eye are very different and I love going into them, but I was shocked by what I saw. I was shocked. So I appreciate that. And when I put my face on Alex’s body, Alex is several years younger than I am and several pounds lighter and I could appreciate feeling the vitality of Alex’s body. At the same time a real honoring of my crone body, so I appreciate that.
ALEX: When we first went to the first person, we were in a triangle with the three of us and I was facing John/Sohars, and it was interesting for me because Myrna was looking at me and the other side of her mirror is magnifying so she has mirrors on both sides. So from a side glance I had two reflections so there was a sense of the multi-dimensionality and that was kind of cool. And I really felt like MY body was a stranger but at the same time I felt more connected because of that. I felt outside myself, which was very cool.
I also felt bigger than I was too because with the magnifying glass my head was huge.
KRIS: Please feel free to continue.
GAIL: My experience is that usually when I look in the mirror at myself, especially at my eyes, I immediately start shifting and having experiences of seeing many aspects of myself. And also when you told us to take the mirror and put it in front of our face on someone else’s body, it’s very similar to me in my experience to merging, and I was picking up what they were feeling immediately. Too I felt heavier physically. (Voice fades away)
KRIS: You will need to speak up. Repeat please.
GAIL: My experience with Drew when I put the mirror in front of my face but with his body I merged with him so I could feel the weight difference within his body as opposed to mine. It felt really relaxed. And then when I shifted to Joanne she felt slighter but bubbly, and that’s the feeling that I felt. And when I came back to myself I’m very familiar with looking in my own eyes and I enjoyed it.
KRIS: Indeed. Please continue.
PAUL T: I had a brief little moment of witnessing of stepping into the eyes that isn’t me and seeing me as almost an object. It was kind of interesting. The thing that impressed me the most was when I finally came back to my own face I was quite surprised to see it was smooth and the eyes were very soft. It was very enjoyable because it brought very much so the aspect that Ester mentioned of the negativity initially and it’s a marvelous little way to step outside myself and get a different perspective. Thank you.
JOANNE: I had a similar experience as everyone else of an initial negativity and then kind of a release at the end and I also had a moment when you were talking about how you can be you and not you at the same time during the first part of the exercise, and I did feel and sense that and it was very moving for me.
KRIS: Anyone else?
DREW: In recent months whenever I look in my eyes I see sadness and tiredness, and that was no different tonight. And my left eye when I was looking tonight was red, and then when I looked at my head on other people’s bodies I found it extremely uncomfortable and wanted to stop. And then when I came back to look at myself again the redness in my left eye was gone and my eyes were clearer. I can’t really remember associating any feeling with it but I noticed that physical change.
KRIS: Indeed.
NORM: I have one more comment. The situation is that when I was looking at my eyes I discovered that I would much rather look at my right eye and I spent most of the time looking at my right eye rather than my left eye and I’m still questioning why that is. I’m curious.
KRIS: Now the exercise itself as was first was pointed out does carry its own rewards. It has many uses and can give you a very clear definition of what it means to be the other. The other is always you. So when you have particular challenges, especially with another individual such as personality conflicts or simply a run of the mill challenge, then imagine very clearly that you are that other individual, and that you are bringing home the inherent lesson and experience that you are teaching yourself through the unique perspective of another.
And through this small practice you can easily change what may appear to be overwhelming odds even and bring yourself not only an experience but a valuable tool of self discovery by transposing some of your own misconceptions and felt shortcomings and transforming those states through the image of another one of yourselves in that manner, making it an extremely practical metaphysical tool.
There are certainly many other fascinating uses for this small tool in this small Practice of Perspective that can allow you to grow, that can allow you to broaden or widen your awareness, especially when you are in need of altering your perspective as the means by which you release and give yourself the lessons, the teachings and the experience that takes you to the next stage of your journey.
This can indeed be a most practical adventure, and you do not need to carry a mirror with you all the time for it would be a little suspicious. But you can easily imagine your head or your face, your energies upon another individual, and that will easily allow you to come to terms with many challenges as the greatest challenge is the often mistaken assumption that you do not have the tools and the resources to deal with the situation you may even doubt that you have created, even though you repeat the mantra to yourselves. This will help confirm to you that you create the guise by which or under which or within which the answers come to you. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
There are even times when it is not necessarily another individual but an event, a circumstance, a situation that will reveal those answers that you seek. But each one requires that you allow your perspective to shift in a manner that released the answers to you. Does that also make sense?
JOHN: Yes
KRIS: Does that make sense to you in California?
ALL: Oh yeah!
KRIS: Indeed then we will allow you a small break and do not forget to take your heads back onto your own bodies. There are enough disembodied beings around without you losing your heads.
Break begins at 8:40.
Session resumes at 8:53
KRIS: Now perhaps we can continue with therapy. And as you have just demonstrated, laughter and joy are the greatest therapy you can give to yourselves. But do not tell that to the psychiatrists.
Now, another practice following this exercise that you can incorporate is to observe where in your energy field the ego quaintly and diligently stores and archives all of your experiences and relevant memories.
You have, for instance, specific places in your energy field where the ego stores experiences related to visual experiences, and you will have places in your energy field where the ego will store physical, tactile, kinesthetic experiences, just as you will have places which store auditory experiences. And so on and so forth.
This is not difficult to understand, by simply paying attention, noticing where the actions of your consciousness shift to when you recollect imagery or the experience of a song or the experience of an event. By learning to understand how the ego aspect of your persona imbeds relevant experiences, you can immediately gain an incredible tool with which to access relevant experiences, giving you literally a formidable advantage in knowing where to target specific areas of your personal energy field when you encounter specific relevant challenges.
That will allow you therefore to examine the contents of these specific rooms of your own consciousness rapidly, or more rapidly identifying some of the pertinent items that you need to work with, including relevant belief structures that are basically lodged in your personal awareness.
Many individuals go about their daily affairs completely oblivious to such knowledge and often feel overwhelmed and literally suffocated by their challenge because it appears that the challenge has no specific location. By learning to pay attention to the areas of your personal energy field where visual, auditory, kinesthetic experiences and memories are stored can assist you in identifying location where you can more rapidly access all of the necessary information that allows you to change, alter, recognize, accept and embrace the energies and beliefs acquainted with your challenge and therefore move on, renew your energy sources, refresh yourselves, and literally know that you are never without the power and the tools to make any change in your life that is both practical and advantageous. Does that make some sense to you?
(Yes)
That requires learning to pay attention when you speak, when you sleep, when you emote. So we are suggesting this here to take the idea of noticing to another level. It is not merely about being so-so aware of the words that you use to describe something or to keep in check some emotions or states of mind you feel are distasteful to you, but rather actually seeing, noticing where in your energy field the specific aspects of your personality are arising from, giving you a literal metaphysical location so that you can make whatever adjustments are necessary for the desired outcome, which should be for healing, which should be for practical purposes. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
And this is not that it may work for someone else but not for me. It is a tool, an act inherent within each individual being. You all have the necessary knowledge because you have practiced your entire existence at storing and archiving and imbedding your entire human journey into various compartments of your personal consciousness. It is not as if you are ignorant of this process. You have been practicing it from before your birth.
Once you do become proficient at this small Practice of Perspective, it is possible to look deeper into your own personal consciousness and realize that there are also similar compartments and sections of self where you store knowledge of other lives and their histories, their precious lives, their joys and sorrows, and they are also accessible to you. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
Now we believe you cannot get more practical than that. Do you have questions?
MYRNA: That offering is something that I would need to work with to really get what you are saying. I theoretically understand what you are saying. For me to access within my own consciousness that area or that compartment I think is at a level of sensitivity I don’t have right now.
KRIS: But you DO, since you have already been practicing this from before your birth. The key is to pay attention when you talk about things concerning the past, things that concern imagery, visualizations, things that concern feelings and emotions, things that concern touch and kinesthetic experiences and so on. It may take a small amount of time, but by learning to pay attention you will see that many people, for example, store what is theoretically called the past somewhere behind them, and the future, in terms of personal consciousness, is stored ahead of self, in front of you. Do you follow for example?
MYRNA: Yes
KRIS: Indeed. By paying attention you will notice that there are literal rooms or filing cabinets within your awareness where you store different types of experiences that comprise your memories. Do you follow so far?
MYRNA: Yes
KRIS: For example, if we ask you, what is the color of your shower curtain at home?
MYRNA: Black
KRIS: Where did you get that information?
MYRNA: Actually, the right side of my chest.
KRIS: Indeed. Now, what did you do last week at approximately this time? You can keep your eyes open. You do not need to close them. They are lovely. Do not close them. Did you notice?
MYRNA: No.
KRIS: We did. You went and looked in your mind over there by your left side. Correct?
MYRNA: Yes, I did.
KRIS: So somewhere in that area of your personal consciousness you store events relating to an immediate past. This is very preliminary but it gives you an inkling of where things are. Do you understand so far?
MYRNA: Yes. I’m going ahead into thinking how I could apply this.
KRIS: Indeed. Now then, when you have specific challenges that will be related for instance to emotions and situations of the past then you can recognize where you keep those files and what part of the attic they are in. It is easier than looking for a needle in a haystack because you know where the needle is. Do you follow? And that makes sense to you?
It is a question of paying attention, even taking inventory, refining the tool until you are able to in with surgical precision, do the necessary work, and then come out basically a changed person, even if the change is so subtle no one in the universe but you know that something has changed. And it is for you. Others may eventually pick up, but you know. Does that make sense in California also?
CASTAIC: Yes
QUESTION: I have a question about it.
KRIS: Indeed.
QUESTION: As I understand it, you are saying that accessing the area where we store the energy of what we would call past experience allows us to access than energy and by doing so, just by doing that we come out changed?
KRIS: It is a step. Now if you, in your search, recognize that you have beliefs concerning past events that are of a challenge to you, that actually affect your behavior today, then you can work out whatever necessary arrangements and compromises in order to come out benefited. Does that help?
QUESTION: So I guess the answer to my question is yes?
KRIS: Indeed. We are not suggesting that the changes will be cosmic in proportion, and they may not occur overnight, but you may indeed notice that you are incorporating gradual change, and it requires an “allowing”, ALWAYS!
QUESTION: In what way is this different from simply accessing a memory?
KRIS: If the memory may be painful, accessing a painful memory may not change much, but accessing a painful memory understanding its cause, its nature, making necessary bridges, healing, compromise, exchange, may bring about bigger transformation than simply looking at a memory and moving on. Do you understand?
QUESTION: I understand it better I think.
KRIS: Indeed. For instance, if you are walking on the sidewalk late one night and someone approaches you and says, ‘give me your money.’ You again have choices, but if you engage in discussion, you may have before you a situation where both come out benefited as opposed to simply the mugger benefiting from your wallet, and you may quite possibly keep your wallet. Do you understand?
QUESTION: Theoretically.
KRIS: Indeed. Are there other questions?
PAUL H: Back to the exercise earlier, in the initial stages of viewing into the mirror, my noticing turned to a small discomfort in my back that’s been a chronic thing for a long time. I noticed it, owned it, and then moved on with the exercise. And it strikes me with your continuation after break of this exercise of identifying, paying attention, shifting attention in our energy fields to these areas, I’m making the connection with this Practice of Perspectives with the different aspects of energy as that relates to memory, kinesthetically, visually, aurally in what you’re saying.
I understand it intellectually but I’m trying to make a practical connection because I’m committed to sort of a long-term transformational practice in my body for this area of my back that’s been a chronic area. So I’m just acknowledging that, putting it on the record, putting it in place, so to speak. And I’ve noticed some tension releasing from that, but the knot is so strong and so deep, the energy that I’ve deposited there for decades and decades isn’t going to disappear cosmically overnight from engaging this practice, and yet I believe if I do this and the noticing practice deepens and I penetrate into this area and perhaps I can identify as the way you’re using it, as a sort of geographical body metaphor of behind, back, left and right, and I can identify that, I may be able to pry open that area and in time, within months, not a long term thing, to dissipate this knot.
KRIS: Indeed. And that is an appropriate observation of the process. As we suggested it may not occur overnight, but with any situation, with any relationship things need to have a foundation upon which you build and expand the relationship, and this exercise, the exercise with the mirrors, and everything we have shared so far with your lovely selves this evening and many other evenings, are about relationships, whether they are considered metaphysical or purely physical, they are always about relationships, how you relate to yourself, regardless of how that self appears, regardless of its appearance, of its juxtaposition to you as the ego, always the self is engaged in a deep relationship, even when it involves millions of individuals or one other singular individual. Even if that individual is you. So you are always engaged in relationships. How you relate to that part of you that originally suffered the back injury may very well determine the outcome. And where that experience that even is stored will help accelerate the healing of that relationship. Does that make sense to you?
PAUL H: Yes it does.
KRIS: We are indeed truly humbled by your lovely selves this evening as we continue to speak you all are also involved in a relationship with our humble selves just as we are involved with your lovely selves in one capacity or another. And we believe that you can sense that there is now a thickness in the air, so to speak, the atmosphere has become charged. Is this not correct?
(Yes)
That thickness, that energy is each your own and it comes from the deepest portions of your being simply to give you a small taste indeed of the depth of knowledge and wisdom that is yours, and that is manifested and represented as the image that you see in the mirror, whether the mirror reflects your own image or is superimposed upon the body of another. For you have relationships with all of the people that you meet and all of the creatures that you meet.
And there is not a thing in the universe that you do not have a relationship with. Some appear at different moments of your existence. Some appear at different moments when you have a different existence. But still you continue to explore these relationships and your lives are enormously enriched by that unique loving perspective.
Do you have other questions?
NORM: Could I receive my six-pack?
KRIS: Indeed.
NORM: Is that a term you are familiar with?
KRIS: Indeed. Now we will also add a gift to the six-pack, which is your essence name from our perspective. Ambrose. And your belonging to from our perspective is Sumari/Sumafi/Tumold. Your aligning with is Sumafi/Gramada/Vold.
NORM: Thank you very much.
KRIS: You are most welcome. And besides, we also know that you are aware that there is some kind of recognition in our image, that you recognize something subtle like the distant echo of a past memory, is that correct?
NORM: I did have a question earlier. I have a feeling that Ambrose is a very old entity having many progenitors. Is that correct?
KRIS: We will tell you this. At the historical time of Leonardo Da Vinci you were apprenticed to the master. You were an aspiring student. You did have, however, many other interests. You were initially a bard. And when you traveled the courts of the Medicis and you came across the master Leonardo, you became entranced with his work and sought to apprentice yourself to him. You were often a good apprentice, but you also had an eye for the pretty ladies.
And you eventually got yourself into trouble. You had to flee because two of the young maids you got pregnant had their fathers chase you and you paid with your life and your family jewels. Overall you were a crafty and ingenious individual, but your weakness was distracting pleasures of women and wine.
NORM: That’s why I created the earth.
KRIS: Now in this particular lifetime you also have that crafty mind, but you are somewhat more focused. You have developed the ability to stay within one particular field and exercise your own ingenuity. Does that make sense to you?
NORM: Yes it does. I appreciate it very much. I finally learned my lesson.
KRIS: It often takes time to learn those lessons. There are other existences where he did not learn them that much. But there is a specific quality within Ambrose that somehow or other no matter how naughty or nice has that quality to draw upon the heart strings of other individuals. In many others of his more philandering experiences, he always seemed to get away. This is something also useful in this lifetime when he looks at his life mate and she can easily forgive him. Is that not correct?
NORM: That’s correct.
KRIS: Indeed then. Consider yourself thrice blessed.
NORM: I am indeed.
RETA: So am I going to get my pack of six?
NORM: It’s my wife Reta. She would like her six-pack.
KRIS: Indeed. Now, we have told Ambrose that at the time of his tutelage under Leonardo Da Vinci he got at least two young maidens pregnant. Reta followed you through time and space to make you somehow or other own up.
Now, Reta your essence name is Leihuu and your belonging to is Zuli/Vold/Gramada. Your affiliation or aligning with is Sumafi/Sumafi/Tumold. For you are a no-nonsense lady and even when Ambrose thinks you are not looking, you see all.
And the two of you indeed have what we can only describe as a delicious relationship. Correct?
NORM: Absolutely.
KRIS: Indeed. So you have been together before so you know each other. You can finish each other’s sentences. There are times when you actually know what the other is thinking.
NORM: Yes
KRIS: Do enjoy your escapades and do not forget to your very last day that you are not finished with your relationships. The next time Ambrose may be the young maiden. Now are there any other questions?
JOANNE: Hi Kris. My mother Esohna would like to know if you are an archangel.
KRIS: Though we do not subscribe to those definitions, in that specific language classification, it may indeed help her understand, so you can say yes. Do you understand?
JOANNE: Absolutely. Yes, thank you.
KRIS: We simply find that the wings themselves need dry cleaning too often. Now what is the time please?
ALEX: 9:37
KRIS: Indeed then we will take leave of your lovely selves and all of the experiences that you store so neatly and quaintly within your own personal awareness field and developing awareness of those areas, the personalized energy deposits, can greatly benefit your personal lives and enrich the individuals that you are. Never lose track of the fact that the most important relationship is the one that you incorporate with your own self. That is the relationship that you will also incorporate with all of your other selves, regardless of how they appear to you.
Now we will get off our pulpit and let you enjoy your relationships as best you can. And we thank you for a lovely energy exchange, especially young maidens.
Session ends at 9:39
Judgement
December 6, 2004
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 6, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.
Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip)
Sessions begins at 7:26
(There was one quick private question from Mark at the beginning of this session.)
MARK: Lately I’ve been noticing a lot of discussion about judgment and there’s a lot of confusion about judgment. We’re told of course not to judge not to be judgmental, but we are judgmental beings and judgment is necessary on some fronts. I was wondering if you could clarify and help us with that one.
KRIS: This is indeed a large topic of discussion and one that holds many implications if we judge the question properly.
Now. The question of judging is a precarious one and it is much like a double edged sword and has to be viewed from many perspectives all at once in order to give the kind of answer that gives a wide enough perspective into the issue. And it comes in a variety of packages and wrappings.
For the longest time most secular groups and sects, organizations of one type or another have upheld this as a fundamental principle to the creeds and the dogmas of their various writings and rules. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes I do.
KRIS: It is important to understand where it comes from in order to understand how to deal with it. All of the major sacred writings and scriptures, whether from major world religions or smaller groups and cults, etc., have some mention of this apparent principle. And the usual method for expressing this principle is for the devotee or the disciple so that he or she does not question the group or organization’s higher echelon or hierarchies or governing bodies.
By instilling in the devotee’s or the disciple’s mind that he or she should not judge, you are setting up barriers to questioning because if you question the motivations and the intentions of the hierarchies you might be viewed as passing a judgment on the so-called higher or superior authority, and that is usually not encouraged unless the questions are geared to the hierarchy handing down the rules and the so-called path to enlightenment and liberation. Questions other than those are often considered challenges and judgments upon those hierarchies. Do you follow?
In the Judeo-Christian psychological map often referred to as The Bible which contains the Old and New Testament, this is often referred to, and anyone who dares question the authority, who dares pass a judgment upon the authority, is either turned into a pillar of salt or toasted. Such views are not tolerated. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes I do. That’s very clear. It makes a lot of sense. And it’s been distorted. How did it get into being used against each other? I can understand the higher-ups. But what about judging thy neighbor?
KRIS: Over time the same variations of this rule have been applied to a variety of situations where it is considered taboo to even use the word judgment and many individuals do not understand that they do judge situations on a constant basis. And in order to appear more spiritual many groups and individuals within a variety of groups are quick to point out to their own brethren that “You are judging!”
Now you tell us who, within the rules applied, is the more sacreligious?
MARK: Exactly. They are doing exactly what the hierarchy did. They are sidestepping the question by accusing you of being judgmental.
KRIS: There is a lot of psychological footwork at play here, and it is a big dance that has to be investigated. It can easily be taken to the extreme where an individual will not even dare examine and explore the contents of their own mind for fear that they are expressing a judgment. And therefore the entire purpose of self-discovery becomes moot.
Self-discovery and enlightenment have little if anything to do with linear perceptions of whether you are judging or judgmental. The very fact that you undertake the path of self-discovery means that you have judged that there is a lack within your existence and therefore you are seeking a means to widen the perspective of your awareness. This creates a conundrum.
MARK: And another conundrum that I’ve experienced, I remember as a youth even, in an effort to be non judgmental would block emotions, anger, anything to hold them in for fear that it was judgmental. And that’s not a good thing.
KRIS: Indeed. Once you figure out how to suppress one or even a few of your emotional states, then you will simultaneously suppress all of them, including expressions of love, and that sets up a dangerous precedent within your own psyche. Do you understand?
MARK: Yes I do.
KRIS: Now. There also needs to be a certain sense of discernment. If there is no discernment, and in these cases, also no sense of judgment, then what is stopping one individual from slicing the other one into little bits?
So that kind of discernment, using and making use of proper judgment, is very important to keeping the fabric of your society and the fabric of your existence together. It gives you a foundation and it is something that cannot be dispensed from your existence. Anyone claiming that as a single individual, they hold no judgment has already passed judgment on themselves and others, and it is tantamount to someone saying they never lie.
And there are sufficient examples of those who make claims of never lying or being deceitful because they believe in the Word of God, for example, such as some of your famous evangelical icons are bound to be found in the house of prostitutes. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes I do.
So it is much easier for such individuals, for instance, to preach to their disciples, ‘Thou shall not judge because I am going to a prostitute’s house and if you judge me then my reputation is finished.” Does that make some sense?
MARK: Very much. It’s very clear.
KRIS: Indeed. It is easier for the preacher to pretend to be the mouthpiece for eternal principles than to show you that like many others, they are of blood and flesh, they have human urges.
There is also another side of judgment. The word itself is not properly used. Most individuals in your modern world entertain many different mental conversations at any given moment simultaneously. They are often overly critical of themselves, their actions, their feelings, their thoughts because they fear that if they pass judgment upon themselves they will not be true to upholding certain spiritual principles.
So they entertain ongoing, sometimes severe internal criticism, often generating quasi-schizophrenic behavior if not outright discord within their own selves. And being less critical of themselves might apply under the heading in general terms of being less judgmental towards oneself, because when you are judgmental toward self you will automatically reflect those attitudes toward others. Do you understand?
MARK: Yes. Towards others? Could you expand upon that a little bit?
KRIS: You will see in the behavior of others that which you do not want others to see until you make peace with your own thought processes. And though the belief structures within your own sphere of activity that generates the behavior that instills heavy self criticism, so you will look at others and your reflections upon their actions will be the criticism you direct toward yourself.
So it is a matter of understanding perspectives and your own perceptions within the perspectives of observation. Do you follow?
MARK: Definitely.
KRIS: So in so many words, judging and judgment are two different things. And both are simultaneously overrated and underrated. So by applying proper observation, including that you are overly critical of yourself and others and taking steps to move away from the convictions that are co-causal to your behavior, mental or physical, will go a long way towards bringing, perhaps a good word is ‘simplicity’, to the mind, a peaceful attitude from which to view self and the world.
When one is so fearful about the slightest possible thought that may hint at being judgmental then one holds nothing else in their awareness. And when that is the case there is suffering all around. And one cannot establish proper relationships, both with themselves and with others, as well as with the world. This is very important to understand.
We have spoken before and others have spoken upon this before that the individual creates his or her reality through a variety of auspices such as through your convictions, your emotions, your feelings and your thoughts altogether as part of an underlying process. And many individuals do not stop to think for one moment about the nature of what they create, thinking that the intended creations are somehow or other inconsequential to their lives or have no rapport or relationship to them directly.
That is an unfortunate extension on your consumer society. You create vehicles, cars, by the millions daily. You as a society create assembly line products of untold varieties and of untold useful nesses and you have come to view that all of these things have one purpose, to be used and none other.
You also generate emotional states within your body and your psyche, in your dreams, and you often view yourselves as individualized assembly lines, here and there manufacturing events and conditions and circumstances, and you fail to realize that unlike cars and other consumer goods, what you manufacture contains your energies and literally stamps the world and the universe with your unique energy perspective.
And the world, the universe, and everything you create within it is based upon a ‘wide spectrum relationship’, because everything that you create is still an expression of your being. And though it may rapidly leave the sphere of influences that is your persona and though it may move through various stages such as the inner field of events to the outer field of events to physical manifestation, through various auspices provided within physical reality, you have a variety of relationships with that world and that universe and the self that creates the latter, the world and the universe.
And if you understood and learned to appreciate the varying degrees of relationships, you could easily sense and appreciate not only the creative geniuses that you are but you would also easily move away from short selling yourselves in terms of playing victims and in terms of creating situations that demand victims, whether in terms of self directed negative criticism or the generation of wars and genocides and wholesale murder that you think do not happen to you because it happens in another country.
So you would generally benefit in many respects by understanding the differences between judging and being judgmental. When you decide that your meal is good or does not suit your taste buds then that is a form of judging, whether you appreciate your meal or not. But when you pass judgment upon a fellow human being for not understanding their motivations, you have to be somewhat more careful.
Sometimes it is necessary to look deeper into situations in order to understand the complexities before you, but if you must restrain and censor your very own thoughts and emotions lest you fear the forbidden word then you have done yourself a great disservice and you do not trust your own self. And when you say that when other individuals use words that may even approximate judgment and it makes your blood curdle, then indeed you are treading on a mirror.
Learn to enjoy and appreciate the very nature of your being, and that is what you will see in others. It can be as simple as that.
MARK: Ironic. We do complicate things don’t we?
KRIS: Indeed. You think soap operas are complex. Now we will take a small break without passing judgment.
Session ends at 8:07
