Private Session for Arindal from USA (contains info on the proper recognition of other focus and Kris’ other name)

October 31, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 31, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Mark (Philip) and Marcy (Arindal)

Session begins at 1:20 pm

KRIS: Now, pleasant greetings to you and to you. We hope that your stay so far has been pleasant. Now we believe that you have some questions, is that not so?

MARCY: (Long pause – no response – like a deer in headlighhts)!

KRIS: Perhaps we can entertain you with something. Now you have a resistance, which is not an affectingness to opening your awareness to The Lily. You do desire the communication, but on the one hand you hesitate because you fear that on some other level certainly there must be some kind of self trickery, self delusion, and that belongs to other aspects of self that still carry the voices of old, the voices of self doubt, that have shown or come up in your life in different times, and that causes you to hold back, even at times causes you to employ old knee jerk reactions in a self defensive manner. Do you understand so far?

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: In other simple words you hesitate to trust those deeper emotional currents that come from this energy exchange, partly because your whole life long and throughout your childhood emotions as they appeared to come from other individuals had to one degree or another proven or interpreted to be harmful to you. Do you understand that?

MARCY: Yes

KRIS: So now you have a very powerful energy that also touches upon your own emotions and that causes a hesitation as if you must somehow or other also build up some kind of defense against it in spite of the fact that you desire it very much, that you desire the communication. So you find yourself in a quandary, and that, the finding yourself in a quandary, does not work to your advantage because it keeps you from exploring the richer depths of your own experience outside of the immediate field of sensory interactions.

So this energy exchange comes at deeper levels of the self with other aspects of your own that are only partially known, hardly recognizable as far as you understand whom and what you are. And now you are approaching a threshold where the preconceived notions of self identity appear to be muddled, appear to be somewhat hazy, and you may not immediately know how to define self, self identity at that particular layer, so you are somewhat hesitant to get your feet wet any more than they have up to this point. You think that there may be some kind of hidden dangers, and this is directly related to your perceptions and interactions within individuals from your youth. Do you understand?

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: And so you hesitate because you are not yet certain who has the control at those particular layers of selfhood. Does that make sense to you?

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: So that necessitates a recognition that events from the past, whatever they were, do not belong in the perceptions of the present, and somehow or other the old notion of forgiveness in terms of letting go has to be put into practice. This has nothing to do with forgiving, or the forgiveness of OTHER individuals as much as it has to do with the forgiveness of self as a means of finally healing some of those experiences in order to lay a new foundation, where your sense of selfhood is securely rooted in the moment, in the present experience and can grow and expand in awareness with this new energy exchange which occurs at those deeper layers of self.

Now it is no longer simply a question of Marcy being involved in the picture and of Marcy’s past, present and potential future, but of an exchange that occurs at the level of Arindal. Do you understand?

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: So it is indeed very much like discovering yourself in a completely different manner. Does that make sense to you?

MARCY: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Now have you had time to think of your question?

MARCY: Will you please give me a brief outline of the flow of energy from Kris to Arindal and up to me as a focal personality? I’m still confused on this.

KRIS: Words may tell you up to a point. Definitions and the descriptions may give you an intellectually viable map of sorts. But it’s true definition or at least a truer definition occurs in what you perceive as the subjective level, whether it is correct or incorrect actually does not come into the picture. Do you follow?

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: So your subjective perceptions will have far more value than any descriptions that we can give you. Suffice it to say that you, Philip and others refer to us with the name that Joseph has used for all these years. That is only a partial identity, if you desire a partial signature to our own energy definitions. Up to this point in time with what we have described concerning your own cluster with its own families and the other clusters which we have briefly described leading from the Second to the Third to the Fourth Quadrant as we have described to give you a small indication that any specific definition and designation you would assign to us can only partially define certain aspects of our energy complex.

You are speaking here then, and we are speaking here then of an intricate matrix of energy personality structures that actually straddle dimensions, multiple dimensions in fact. So we may be known by many different appellations and these are only partial definitions of what we are again. We do have an intonation that can be used to define that much more of what we are, and if you were to intone it, it would sound as “Brahm.” But this is not how you have come to know us and so we do not specifically use it.

But we have energy projections in very many different clusters and dimensions simultaneously as we have described not too long ago. At least 16 other essence forms, each with their own unique identities related to but completely independent of our own energy matrix are found within this energy matrix, and there are more still. This is rather complex to describe in your syntax, but it creates then very unique network where individual essence forms and energies are also linked and nested, and these are found in various clusters and still they are not separated one from the other, but there are no artificial divisions and separations within consciousness itself in spite of the fact that there are multitudes of intricate structures of consciousness nonetheless.

One of these projections then composes what we refer to as Arindal. One also is identified by the intonation of the energy that we have described as Philip, and one also is Joseph and many others. So this is a very complex arrangement. Do you follow so far?

MARCY: Yes.

MARK: So if I’m to get this right, and I suspected as much, you (Kris) are Quadrant Three; Philip, Joseph, Arindal, etc. are Quadrant Two; Mark, Serge, Marcy are Quadrant One; with Netjer being Quadrant Four.

KRIS: This is a clear enough interpretation, at least to give you a certain kind of diagram.

MARK: A linear diagram.

KRIS: And in so many other words, Joseph, Philip, Arindal and others do not necessarily exist as an island unto themselves separate from and disconnected simply to prove some separateness. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: So these are very rudimentary descriptions of a vast energy matrix. And in order to try and experience it, the words and the descriptions themselves might prove to be a hindrance, though the subjective experience can do away with hindrances, even if they are incomplete in themselves, the purpose being that your inner subjective recognition of that connection is more varied than any words you might wish to use in defining it, the words further watering down the experience. Do you follow?

BOTH: Yes.

MARCY: May I break in here and ask a question?

KRIS: And who may stop you (humorously)?

MARCY: What is this physical manifestation that I get, this contraction in the middle of my body? What causes that? Do I need to describe it more or are you aware of what I’m talking about.

KRIS: Add some words.

MARCY: Okay. I feel like it’s an energy coming from somewhere. It feels like it’s coming from a non-physical level although I’m receiving it physically, since I do tend to perceive things physically in a sensory manner. At times I thought it was being projected to me by a person or an essence or some kind of energy.

KRIS: The manifestation or the physical biological response is not in itself a projection or caused by any outside agencies as much as it is your biological mechanism’s method of recognizing when you are entering altered states. We believe that you have also noticed it very definitely when you direct your awareness to an exchange with The Lily.

MARCY: Or with yourselves.

KRIS: Indeed. So that is your physical form’s method of indicating to you that you are in that particular awareness. So when you recognize that your body is letting you know that you are responding to another state of awareness, pay attention. Does that make sense to you?

MARCY: Yes, that’s very helpful.

KRIS: You may even use it in terms of your doorbell to a non-physical visitor.

MARCY: That was how I perceived it at first. I hadn’t thought of the other possibility.

KRIS: You may also utilize it quite effectively in order to provide the opportunity for what is commonly called out of body journeys, whether you are in a state of deep relaxation or otherwise, and invite your awareness to bring you to the threshold of an energy exchange of a beneficial kind and allow yourself to use that physical response as a springboard to some other kinds of adventures. Do you follow?

MARCY: Yes. I’ve never really cared about doing that, but I might as well.

KRIS: It is an opportunity to explore other talents. Now do take a small break.

Break begins at 1:47 pm

Kris returns at 1:52 pm

KRIS: Now we hope that you have been able to make some sense of what we have described.

MARCY: Yes definitely. I have a picture in my mind as to what is occurring as a sort of interweaving of light rays in and out and back and forth, but you can’t tell one from the other because they are so intertwined and none seems to have a beginning or an end.

MARK: Like a Mobius strip.

MARCY: Yes exactly, but even more so. I saw a picture once called Universal Mind Lattice and it was a painting of a lattice with all curved edges turning and curving back upon themselves.

MARK: Like a DNA strand.

MARCY: Yes, but even more complex than that.

KRIS: Mental imagery is only good up to a certain point because it can also become a trap, when additional areas and even undiscovered continents of the self start making themselves known to you or you start discovering them. And if it does not necessarily fit into the mental imagery structures, then conflict can arise easily. And valid areas of consciousness can very quickly be dismissed, marginalized simply because it is an unknown factor.

MARCY: I tend to try to stay open just because I like things that are interesting or different or outside the status quo. Not completely because I still have resistance like you said, but I try to allow for other things.

KRIS: Indeed, as many wild cards as possible.

Now an interesting sub topic with this kind of information and energy exchanges for many individuals is that people tend to want what they read, what they find to read, what they want to understand should present them with not just temporal truths, not just partial truths, but an “immediate and definite if not absolute truth”, which in itself immediately distorts the intent, the purpose, and the very method of exchange for the information, insisting that the information fit preconceived notions and definitions of reality, which in themselves have little to do with other than extensions of one’s own ego constructions.

And what we are saying here is very important. Whether the material comes from Seth, Elias, or ourselves or any other, it is actually quite absurd to think that one voice or a few voices will give you or anyone the absolute truth, considering that your species on this planet is but one of millions of other intelligent, sentient, cognitive species on millions of other planets and solar systems and galaxies and universes and realities and dimensions, which are literally numberless.

And that the few words, for in comparison they are few indeed, these words, when you compare them to all of the millions of other species and their exchanges in their realities in their dimensions collectively and that the words of the few, the few words of the few voices should define the truths and the various belief paradigms of the enormous complex of reality creation for all times and that these few words from these few voices should define the experiences of beings in galaxies and realities and dimensions so far removed from your own experience of time and space and reality that they would not even be able to dream your species up and neither would you them. And to think that these few words from these few voices would have an impact and an effect upon them, wherever in time and space and reality they are, is somewhat absurd.

That would amount to the mindset utilized by the Roman Church and the Vatican offices who maintain astronomical observatories in the hopes of finding alien life forms before others, other groups and organizations, and they hope to convert them, these other alien life forms, to a specific interpretation of the cult of Christianity as if this would favor them too. Do you follow?

MARCY: I think so.

KRIS: We are being particularly bitchy here. So there has to be some kind of understanding that these are not absolutes, these few words from these few voices are meant then to help the individual realize that there is more to whom and what they are, what they think they are, and hopefully they will recognize the far off echoes of other voices of self and grow in awareness and thus understand that the processes of reality creation as they understand it is really a partial understanding, comparatively speaking with the rest of the universe and all of its myriad life forms. Does that make sense?

MARCY: Yes, it sure does.

KRIS: This needs to be said so that things can be put in perspective and in context. There are other places where our voice is heard and what that voice says and the words that are used and the word constructions would be completely irrelevant to your species, so varied are the life forms in the universe. So the idea is to create a certain level of humbleness and recognition that your egoic understandings of these types of exchanges and deliveries and materials are not the end all and be all of creation. That then is what Bodhisattvas or Avatars teach. And we also refer to them as Speakers. And even though there may be common teachings along those lines spread throughout the universe, there will still be significant differences, differences significant enough that some of these exchanges would not even register on your brains. You would not be able to interpret them in any way, shape or form according to the grids in your reality. Does that make sense?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: That also gives you a different perspective on the entire schematic of reality that first of all, your ideas about reality creation are not pivotal to the lives of other beings and that there are many different ways to interpret this type of material. It also hints at the different picture of reality and where you stand within it as part of a vast network not pivotal to the network itself.

But the notion that some people cultivate that of course other famous people are their focal personalities is somewhat misleading. No one is specifically a focal personality of yours, nor are you a focal personality of another specifically. But you are part and parcel of a dynamic process of creation, valid, inviolate, eternal and immortal. These understandings ARE necessary because it is far too easy to take this type of information, whether from Seth, Elias or ourselves, and giving it a few tweaks, a few squeezes here and there, it reverts back to feeding the ego structure. This leads to distortions, additional distortions in the material, however it is presented.

We do hope that this discussion will be made public, if you are in agreement.

MARK: Definitely.

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: We thought you would. So it is important to grasp some understandings, that is why we also described the star meditation from the last California evening.

MARK: I already made reference to that in my own mind, also from your conversation with John last Monday.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you have other questions?

MARCY: Yes. This focus that we shared with St. Chrodora and Philip and Joseph, maybe because it was the first time that I’ve heard another place where we were all together, it holds a lot of interest for me, and in a way I feel that there may be some direct parallels between that focus and THIS shared focus. It feels like there is some kind of energy flow between that focus and this one.

KRIS: There always are.

MARCY: I know there are, but this one seems significant. Well, anything that you want to say about that would be fine.

KRIS: That particular drama or play, if you wish, had a large impact, not only in the reeducation of many groups and cultures in Europe at that time, it did not only have a large impact on the lives of the individuals involved in their unique manifestations, or focal personalities then, but some of its fundamental ties or relationships were carried through as necessary and important to the construction and the design of other lifetimes, other focal personalities and the relationships that were woven out of this one. And each individual had an important role to play, and though other focal designs ensued out of this one, still that unique thread and wanting to keep a certain association or affiliation and cultivate different aspects of that affiliation were also desired very strongly.

Whether this one particular drama may have occurred well over 2,000 years ago or 1,000 years ago or will redisplay itself in another configuration a thousand years from now in your historical times, there are underlying things that will still be carried through because they were deemed then important, they were deemed SO important that they could be used to design other kinds of focal experiences. Does that make any sense to you at all?

MARCY: Oh yeah. I just couldn’t explain it. I had a sense that there was something going on but I couldn’t explain it.

KRIS: It is also interesting to see that some people like to explore other focuses, sometimes for no other reason that it may titillate them. Sometimes there are insights as to relationships that occurred across time and space from one to the other, but it is not sufficient to say and to claim ‘Oh yes, this was a focus of mine. That was a focus of mine. And this other one was also a focus of mine”. That is also very much like going to university, taking a variety of courses in different subjects, merely to say that yes, I took a course in psychology, I took a course in English literature, I took a course in philosophy. What do you think about that?

If none of these courses give you any insight and help you formulate your existence for any other reason than to say ‘’See? I have the certificate. I have taken these courses’. Then you may very well have wasted your time and money at university. Do you understand?

MARCY: Oh yeah, in fact Serge and I were talking about that just a little while ago. I’ve never had any interest in this focus or that focus, and I like the way that you never present another focus of ours without it having some relevance to our life right now. You don’t just give us this laundry list of focuses.

KRIS: Indeed. What is the purpose of saying, ‘I had an impression that so and so was a focus of mine’, without gathering unto oneself at least a glimmer of the feelings, of the thoughts, of the expressions, of the beliefs, of the expectations and of the rich bed of living that is expressed through that focal personality. If you cannot venture into those domains, then it becomes merely another impression. If you cannot dig into that life and mine the rich vein of living power that shines forth like a lighthouse, then your impressions will not bring you much edification other than to say, ‘Oh yes, I discovered this impression and that focus, and what do you think of that?’

It becomes necessary then to break down those ego barriers and to go to those focuses, to those focal personalities to open yourself up to their joys and sorrows, to their pain and happiness, and enrich your existence at that depth. Otherwise, it is no more that pretty wallpaper.

If you sense, for example, that you had a less than famous focus, and this focus may have had an impoverished lifestyle, perhaps it is a woman, a widow with several children that live in squalor and that she loves them enough to feed them and to toil to provide them with shelter and clothing and that this brings her both joy and pain, but overall her dedication to her children make any pain and hardship she endures seem as nothing.

Then indeed your own experience will be doubly enriched because you have bridged this existence with that of a vibrant and powerful love, and it may provide you with a sense of fulfillment at a layer the likes of which simply popping from focus flower to focus flower to collect some psychological pollen will allow you to actually make honey from the pollen and simply not be weighed down with the collected pollen. Do you understand? This is perhaps a crude analogy.

MARCY: No, it’s great!

KRIS: So what does it mean then to get in touch with other focal personalities? It means that you recognize that your own life is not made up of the moments that exist between one time you look at yourself in the mirror and the next. But it means that in this lifetime you have unique and fulfilling experiences, whatever their nature, and in some other time space coordinate you have another existence, perhaps different gender, different culture, different historical period, and there you also gather deep, vibrant, enriching experiences, whatever their nature. And in another time space coordinate you have another experience altogether. And all of these make up the greater life experience of what you call your essence experience.

But if you look further you may also recognize that you have other types of essence experiences where they too have other focal experiences. So you are never bereft of the potential for fulfillment. It is impossible. You would be far too busy to ever think that your existence is glum and humdrum.

Now then, do you have another question?

BOTH: No.

KRIS: Indeed perhaps for now we will end our lovely discussion, and tomorrow there will be another before your group.

Session ends at 2:26 pm

Kris returns later in the evening at 9:16 pm

KRIS: Now having listened to our previous conversation, we assume that you have understood some of the underlying reasons why we spoke the way we did as well as why you have established the boundaries of your experiences up to this point in time, and why it is necessary for you to now begin recognizing that your self and all of its variant expressions also has to move beyond the boundaries you have established since your youth; why it is necessary to recognize that you are NOT that self, and that self needs to be influenced by the present and not that the present self needs to continue being influenced by the past self, even though those boundaries of influences flow easily back and forth without any restrictions.

The individual ego construction will itself ignore beneficial experiences that may come from the future that may also come from the past or even alternate presence if it feels that you have a need to hold onto the boundaries of the past in a non constructive manner, or constructive, it matters not. So it is necessary at some point to establish that you are now moving beyond your present boundaries or limitations. Does that make sense to you?

MARCY: Yes.

KRIS: There is always a certain degree of trepidation, a hesitation because you feel as if you are stepping into unknown territory. What is that self going to be like? And the major difference is that the new self might be quite at ease with those new found realities, whilst the old self may prefer to stay in its own backyard. And these situations no longer need concern you overly. Do you understand?

MARCY: Yes. I know that I go back and forth, reach out a little bit and then stop, stop remembering my dreams, stop having impressions and I think, ‘what happened?’

KRIS: And when you reach that point you believe that it is now time to turn back.

MARCY: It’s not even conscious.

KRIS: Indeed. But recognizing the subjective action allows you to feel where you limit your experience and these eventually develop into mental habits, patterns, and it is so easy to then believe that this is where the road ends. But in reality it usually represents a fork in the road where you can, by choice, make the decisions necessary to venture forth. It is a matter of recognizing when you decide to put the brakes on and there is perhaps no valid reason other than old patterns, mental habits. Do you follow?

MARCY: Yes. Obviously I’m doing it and not paying attention. I’m not consciously denying it. It seems to occur by itself, but obviously it’s not.

KRIS: Indeed. And when you recognize that you do this, it is usually because there is an understanding that going any further along this road may mean opening up Pandora’s Box. That may seem indeed an extra hardship, but if you never open Pandora’s Box you might simultaneously deny yourself the opportunity to create wings for yourself and fly above the very things that you believe limit you. Does that make sense?

Most individuals are of the opinion that Pandora’s Box may be nothing more than hardships and the facing of one’s own demons, whilst the opposite may be as true, a discovery of unknown treasures within the self such as a closer relationship with your own essence form as well as The Lily.

Now there are times when you feel their presence so strongly that you fear being swept away. If you recognize that indeed, instead of being swept away you will be swept into an adventure of the selfhood that is awaiting you at this moment you might feel more enticed to actually lay down the bridge to meet them halfway. It is a psychological action. The physical will respond and you may feel a powerful urge and impulse either to write or speak or otherwise, but allow yourself those actions. It is a matter of allowing the process.

You also believe that you have a certain amount of knowledge and information and at a certain point in time that pond of knowledge may be drained. You do not see that what you have considered to be a pond is a small parcel of water divvied up, parceled off from a vast ocean, and there are truly no boundaries but ones you have imagined.

So you have at your disposal an ocean of wisdom that can be used for your own fulfillment and the fulfillment of others, and you have had many dreams where you have seen yourself, you have observed yourself give help and assistance to others, even if you do not remember those dreams. These are precursors. However you wish to display your own exchange will depend upon you and how much you are willing to work with the energy exchange. Do you understand? Do you have questions?

MARCY: No.

KRIS: Perhaps you can make a practice on a daily basis to open this psychological gate between yourself and The Lily, perhaps ten or fifteen minutes or more every day, whether you feel the impulse to type or write or perhaps to speak, regardless if it appears in your own voice or not. Let the process flow. It must start somewhere.

Study carefully the preliminary stages that Ruburt experienced, for instance. Initially there were short expressions in her own voice. Gradually the process deepened and widened, so that she felt comfortable. And though not many individuals are aware, though there is some material describing Ruburt’s hardships as a child, there were more shadowy things, and that was also useful in her establishing the process that she did with Seth in order to establish a trust. This is what we tried to describe to you earlier and few moments ago.

MARCY: Yes, this is a big thing for me because whenever I’ve opened myself up or allowed myself to be vulnerable to anyone they hurt me. And after awhile I stopped doing it. So people think I’m open to them, but it’s only to a certain level and that’s it.

KRIS: That is with all individuals, even those who may profess to say that they are completely open to you, are not. So you have to learn to trust yourself, and since in another manner both Arindal and The Lily are other expressions of your own multi-dimensional self, then there is no need to consider that you may be harmed in any way, shape or form. The only harm that ever comes to oneself is the harm done out of ignorance. Thus experiment. Have fun.

MARCY: There have been several situations in the past two weeks where I was speaking, but my thoughts had nothing to do with the words that were coming out of my mouth. I haven’t done it in front of anyone though.

KRIS: You are self-conscious.

MARCY: Exactly.

KRIS: That will never disappear.

MARCY: Okay.

KRIS: But there are certain degrees of being self conscious and you can move beyond the most immediate aspects of it and establish the kind of rapport that includes self confidence that the process works, the process can flow, just as you have no idea how you will end the sentence you begin. You do not have to worry that The Lily will not be able to finish the sentence they start.

MARCY: It’s bizarre because words are coming out of my mouth and I’m observing myself wondering what I’m going to say next. And sometimes it stops and I know I’ve done that but it’s very strange.

KRIS: And it is no different. Begin slowly. Have faith in your process and gradually invite someone you trust and set rules that you are not here to reveal the absolute truth in the stretch of the universe, but that you are here to share. How that evolves, how that manifests and displays itself is an entirely different matter. And the manner in which you do it is suitable for you, and what you do today may be different from what you do next year, but you have to begin somewhere. An apprentice does not make the wedding cake right away. The apprentice watches the master baker and learns. Be an apprentice to yourself. And perhaps in time you will see that you have contained within the whole of yourself above and beyond how you can imagine yourself to be, that there is a deep ocean of wisdom. All it needs is a small outlet. Do you understand?

MARCY: Yes, I do.

KRIS: You have a good foundation. You know what it is to be human to the core of your being. You can, through your own innate faculties, discover more of what you are, other focal personalities, including future personalities that have already begun what you are starting, other future selves that have already been at this for many years. So you can mentally, psychically invite them to share whatever knowledge and experience that you can assimilate at different times. You cannot be bereft of tools. Those who believe so are still feeling they are victims, and we believe you have sufficient internal fortitude to go beyond those gates.

You would not have taken the preliminary steps you did a few years back, in spite of all of your challenges, to determine that now your existence is yours and no one else’s. And that was a very difficult choice to make, but you made it and you stuck by your guns. So this shows to you that you can indeed be the captain of your ship, and that indeed there is a fleet out there, and each variation on the theme is also the captain of their ship, and together you make a formidable armada. Do you understand? And still this is only a small fraction of what you are.

You should have understood from the second half of our session this afternoon that the self is far more varied than anyone can possibly imagine and words cannot describe it adequately. Religions and spiritual movements, various sects and cults and organizations and mystics throughout the ages have tried to give you their experiences and still each one is not the whole.

Consider for a moment a vast tapestry; a paint by number tapestry. Even those who claim to give you the entire tapestry are only coloring their small number and still, as soon as anyone thinks they have colored in as many of the numbers possible and this should give you now the complete picture, they may have colored several numbers wrong. They need to step back that much more and figure out that this tapestry is not only immense in those terms but it keeps adding numbers to itself because it is a living, sentient tapestry. It is made up of the hearts and the heartbeats, the thoughts, the experiences and the joys and sorrows, the births and the deaths, the miracles and the murders of all of the various beings that compose the entire universe and then some. And this is still a small picture.

So you live in a vast playground. Make the best sand castles that you can, and when they get knocked down by the waves and winds, you can easily pick up your pail and make another. It can be as simple as that. Do you understand? Any questions?

MARCY: No.

KRIS: Notice also that when you look in our eyes that you see reflections of the depths of your own being, so look into yourself and easily as we look at you and you will see what we see. Then we will leave you to ponder the imponderables of your existence. And enjoy the rest of your evening and the dreams that will follow.

End 9:40 pm

Expectations & A Gift of Love

October 25, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, October 25, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

(Audio file: 1 Expectations Oct 25 2004.wav)

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alex (Darrolid), John (Sohars) and Myrna (John and Myrna were at their very first session with Kris).

(MARK’S NOTES: Prior to the session starting we were discussing “No Expectations / No Limitations”. Alex made a comment to the effect of “Be wary of your expectations”.)

Session starts at 8:13 PM.

KRIS: Now then we welcome to our humble evening. Your discussion of “Be wary of your expectations” (looking directly at Alex) actually shows some more of what you are afraid of, in so many words. Now if you leave behind the world of expectations then you do not risk feeling any pain, any sorrow or any disappointment if your expectation is not met.

Therefore you can easily turn around and say “See, I had no expectation therefore I do not have to go through the extensive displays of human emotions.” You cannot dissipate, defuse, remove, extricate or surgically remove your nature of expectations. It is part of your being. That is how you have come to have a human existence, desiring and expecting.

From the Core of Essence you have desired to be. You will always have desire to be and therefore you are. You expect then, from that base of desiring, that you will have parents to give birth to the desired self. Those parents will raise you or you will be raised if that is how far you wish to take the experiment.

Others choose simply to experience the early formative years of consciousness into matter, in terms of fetus form and then they may opt out. That was enough. Others EXPECT the social system set up by societies and the governments depending upon the nations and the cultures that they are born in, to sustain them to a certain degree, as well as nature to provide a certain degree of sustenance, foods, air water, so on and so forth.

You also expect your physical form to carry you, literally, into the manifestations of all that you can imagine in that lifetime, as far as that form is able to express and if not there are always probable selves in which you can explore other alternatives, never minding all of the other realities and dimensions that you can express your being in.

To make that very, very small, very simple, your existence is “a desired dream from the SOURCE of Essence” and expectation actually plays one of the most important ingredients [roles], much like you would with any recipe. You have some base ingredients. Cakes always require flour of one kind or another. Without flour of one kind or another, you do not have cake. You may have an omelet! (Laughter).

What you are referring to is an old adage “Be careful what you desire for the Universe may give it to you”. Another saying is “The Universe may call your bluff at any time”. You think that you are a great poker player!

Now then, most individuals go through life with their baggages of beliefs like so many forgotten antiques in Grandmother’s attic, including the dust of ages and reality becomes something that happens to them by default. They do not understand how the storms of life keep battering their house of cards because they have not questioned their limitations. They have not understood that they are not victims, but, the creators, the instigators of the events and the conditions of their existence. Their existence, their feelings, their joys and their sorrows are the products of their convictions.

All of what you see displayed as the events and the conditions of your daily lives are the result of what you have envisioned, imagined, whether through the auspices of limitations or not. You are indeed crafted, masterful artists. You are indeed as good as any Modigliani, as any Da Vinci, of any such great artists because you take that energy from your imagination and with it you design the actions of consciousness that occur within your existence, including your perceptions and you think that THIS event has influenced you to think and feel ‘this and that’ whilst in reality the events BROUGHT your feelings, your emotions to the surface, the events REVEALED to you what you had hidden to your own eyes. Do you follow?

ALEX: Yeah, I do, sort of. What I don’t get, Kris is if that is the case and you are saying that is okay to have the expectations. I understand that you need to have expectations to rude assumptions such as LIFE, but along the lines of material expectations and emotional attachment.

KRIS: (Speaking in a slow, deep, low voice) If you do not expect Joy, will you find any in the mailbox tomorrow?

MARK: You get what you focus upon!

KRIS: If you cannot (voice rising with each word) expect Joy, Pleasure, Happiness, Love, Goodness…

ALEX: The other part that I am talking about is the sadness and the pain and the suffering.

KRIS: These are the items that you focus upon then you have forgotten to focus upon the opposites. Now we understand that you did not sit at the table last night and you wrote to yourself that I expect some sadness.

ALEX: Yeah, exactly!

KRIS: Yet it still happens. It may certainly have not been last night that you sat at the table and you designed a whole bucket full of sadness, but at some point in your life you did accumulate those expectations, somehow or other that life can be a treacherous adventure, that there may be unseen dangers at every corner and that you must guard yourself against it. We thought you had said that you had listened to “The Safe Universe” (tape)TWICE now! (Laughter).

(MARK’S NOTES: “The Safe Universe” is a specific Seth Session at the Hill House in Elmira).

KRIS CONTINUES: What did you hear?

ALEX: (Sheepishly) Yes, I did.

KRIS: Then we suggest you take it to heart. If you cannot expect that YOUR personal universe is a SAFE place FILLED with Joy then you will expect what you get by default.

ALEX: Okay then, how about then the suffering of others? How about you when you see the suffering of others? For myself, I can handle it. If you see someone who is really sick, for instance and they are going through pain, you suffer for them, is that still your reality?

KRIS: How you express it and deal with it emotionally does affect the outcome for yourself. THAT individual, that animal, that human being, that creature may have their own reasons for going through their suffering and it indeed it will be related to their specific convictions without a doubt.

ALEX: Even though they may not be aware of it?

KRIS: Indeed. Now you may, looking at this suffering individual or animal may feel a great deal of angst, may feel a great deal of empathy and wish you can relieve their pain and you wonder then why the Universe is so cruel that one would suffer. At the same time, whose design are you trying to impose upon, whose judgment are you seeking to impose? You see a situation, you feel empathy and pain for that individual, for that animal and it hurts your heart and you feel powerless to alleviate their condition. That, in a particular manner, would reflect your convictions of powerlessness.

You feel powerless to aid them, to relieve their suffering and their pain, so you feel their suffering and their pain. It is one thing to empathically relate, but another to start railing against the Universe, a deity of some kind, unseen forces, as if these are some how responsible for THAT individual’s suffering or sorrow or grief, whilst it is not. There is no one punishing that individual, but that it is what that means, when you believe that some kind of higher power is inflicting a judgment upon another. Do you understand?

ALEX: I do believe that they choose it but why would they? Why would they do that? Why would they choose to do that?

KRIS: There may be a variety of reasons. For instance, in an analogy situation, one partner may decide that they are not receiving the attention that they deserve. They may unconsciously acknowledge that type of situation and put themselves in harms way, in a manner of speaking and the result is an accident. Perhaps they fall down the stairs, they get hit by a car, they become incapacitated, they need to be wheeled around for months or years, thereby having complete control over the partner through the illness.

Other individuals may feel the same towards their God, that they need to have special attention from their deity, therefore by developing serious illnesses MAY end up feeling that the illness itself is a badge of honor. “See, the illness is a special gift from MY God. That means that God is paying attention to ME and not YOU”, for the meek, the sick, the poor shall inherit the Earth, do they not?

These are just two SIMPLE ideas and there are more complex ones.

ALEX: So what is the best way to handle that? To deal with someone who is suffering? That is where I thought to not have the emotional attachment.

KRIS: You may indeed acknowledge their situation, recognize that it is not your situation, you can from your heart, send them the energy that they need to do with as they need, regardless of your ideas.

ALEX: There you go! No expectations!

KRIS: No judgment. We did not say expectation. We said a judgment. EXPECT that from your heart, you are able to give them energy, healing, love, unconditionally, without a judgment of any kind AND from the sweetness of your being go about your daily affairs. It does not mean that you must develop a cold, callous indifference to human condition, for that is a deeper, darker suffering indeed, but an acknowledgement that you care enough for a human being to understand that light but not get swallowed up in it, is a totally different situation.

And by preventing them from using you as a crutch, then you remain in your power and they will acknowledge that. It does not mean that you are heartless. It actually does prove that you have a heart and that you understand the underlying principles of the human condition which is that every situation is one of joyous and not one of victim hood and the last individual who will fight tooth and nail to retain the badge of victim hood is the victim itself, if he or she has any edges or advantages to gain from his or her condition.

Now we are not talking here about someone who is suddenly quadriplegic. Indeed some quadriplegics and other such individuals have an acknowledged larger role to play. Indeed, take Christopher Reeves for example; his condition may very well end up transforming scientific frontiers of discovery and development. For though he may have appeared to be a victim of events and circumstances beyond his control, he may have indeed deemed it necessary to take on that position in order to get some specific development opened up into his future. Do you follow?

ALEX: Yeah.

KRIS: Indeed. Does that make sense to you? Now then, that is a fine answer for you now? (Alex nods). Indeed. So now, we believe that you may also have some questions (looking over at Myrna), so feel free to share in that. We know that you have been taking notes. Please feel free to ask us.

MYRNA: I have, Kris, an enormous sense of frustrations and I also know from the “Power or Law of Attraction” that I should not go there, but I will go there to try and unravel “The Safe Universe”.

(MARK’S NOTES: The Law of Attraction is from the Abraham Hicks Material).

KRIS: Do understand that with the Law of Attraction or any other such law, thinking about a thing does not necessarily make it so. Otherwise, if all of the lovely people on your planet had such beliefs, you would be in deep trouble, but do continue.

MYRNA: I want help.

KRIS: We are aware of that. That is why we asked YOU.

MYRNA: Thank you. The helplessness, the powerlessness, the unsafe world, I have been working HARD at transmuting that and there are many times that I feel very powerful because I am in contact with you and there are times when I lose it, I lose my sense of power. I don’t want that suffering anymore and I want to know how I can stay in touch with my power.

KRIS: Now do you have a specific condition that you are referring to.

MYRNA: Yes, I have three! I do! I have three! I look back on this lifetime and I see a thread, I see several threads but the thread that comes up today is around health. I have survived breast cancer. I am very proud to have survived breast cancer. (Myrna starts to say something but stops). I feel like I am reporting. (Pause). HEALTH, my children particularly, I lose my power and I can hear this, it’s their journey, they are souls that came through me. I get that. I get that and I can’t seem to let go of my worry and I want to let go of my worry.

KRIS: Your first comment regarding your safe Universe is a most appropriate and is an extremely difficult subject for a great number of people to grasp. They are riveted to the tube, the television, they watch the news. They see wholesale slaughter, massacres and genocides in far off lands. They see murders and shootings and stabbings and home invasions every weekend in their city and it seems to confirm that whether for a lady or for a gentleman, the world, the physical world is not a safe place. Do you understand?

MYRNA: I do and just as you were speaking (pause), may I speak?

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: It is a deep seated sense of isolation that I have that I want to end, whether its health or money, it’s a deep sense of isolation.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, for a moment, back to the Safe Universe, for some reason that is plainly obvious, the physical world, the physical reality is a shared reality. It is shared and explored by millions and BILLIONS of individuals. That overall reality, that overall physical Universe may not be safe for everyone, BUT your personal reality, your personal Universe may indeed be safe in any interpretation of the word, but it must be realized that it is YOUR reality that must be safe, not THE reality and that is a significant, qualitative difference.

The reality that you generate from your convictions can be harnessed, can be transformed, transmutated. It can be designed and it is not one hundred percent fool proof at this point because the majority of individuals on this planet are simply unawares, consciously unawares that physical reality and the physical Universe is a projection of their unconscious or imaginative dealings, but it is possible to make your physical Universe that much safer than it has ever been. That may include health wise, financially wise and we are not saying that you must become like “The Donald” to be financially safe. (Laughter).

In your terms, God forbid if anyone on Earth ever has hair like that! (Roaring laughter).

But, your own physical reality may be very different and it can be designed. This isolation can also be changed to a sense of communion. That is what you are seeking. You are seeking to have this idea that there is a universal ‘oneness’ and it should be palatable. It should be a near tactile experience and it does exist at those deeper psychological levels.

Now, you know very well, sitting here in this living room, you may not PHYSICALLY, oh so be in touch with the trees outside or the clouds, but the psychologically you can feel the trees in the neighborhood. You can be part of the trees all over this planet. You can feel, not just the clouds passing overhead, but you can feel all of the clouds all over the world. You can feel all of the life forms all over this planet, human, animal or otherwise. You can feel all life forms depending upon the layer of self that you are accessing.

You are indeed a nation of selves. You are a grouping of or nested individuals. The individual that you were twenty years ago seems to have disappeared. The individual that you will be twenty years from now seems invisible to you. That is only your perception. They exist simply out of the immediate range of your perceptions and this allows your ego to feel that it is control of the situation and that everything with the world is so-so. Do you follow?

But, just behind those immediate sensory perceptions, exists other worlds where Myrna from twenty years ago or Myrna twenty years from, they exist now, simultaneously. There are other Myrnas that also exist, some that never had breast cancer, some that never gave birth, some that never married, some that were born into different families in different cultures. Do you follow?

These are all aspects of self and they are accessible and when someone says to us that they feel in isolation, that indicates to us that you are feeling incomplete, you are feeling a void, a hollowness. Is that correct?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: By learning to use lives, those natural abilities that you already use. You are partially empathic. It is as nothing to feel what it is like to walk in another’s shoes for a mile. You even are able, partially, to understand the nature of another individual’s perceptions. So why they do things when they do not even know themselves why they do. You pick up on it. It is as nothing for you to turn that ability inwardly and [dog starts barking in her sleep] she is looking for her other spots. [Sarah, the dog, is a Dalmatian with spots] (laughter).

Then it would as nothing to utilize your own consciousness as you would a search light and focusing on yourself inwardly, ALLOW, EXPECT (turning and staring at Alex and speaking in a loud voice) EXPECT, that your own consciousness discovers your other selves which together make up your Essence or source and still you will find that you are overall you are much more than the sums of all of your parts. You can use the auspices of your imagination, brilliantly, in many other areas of your life. Utilize the canvas of your mind then, the screen of your mind to get in touch with your other selves, whether they exist in alternative two thousand and fours or perhaps one that exists in seventeen twenty or one that exists in twenty-two ten or perhaps one that exists in seventeen B.C. Focus upon those shimmers in your consciousness and let those previously invisible areas take form before your eyes, your mind’s eye and get in touch with those other aspects of your own self and feel that you actually are more in communion with yourself than you previously thought.

You do have a tendency to put yourself down a little bit. (Silence). We are being facetious here, but you do have some good talent in those areas and furthermore, concerning your empathy for others, that same empathy, you can use towards yourself. It is said that adding spice to the neighbors cake makes their cake that much sweeter but if you add spice to your own cake, you indeed have a SWEETER recipe. So be nice, be KIND, be gentle and patient with yourself. Does that make sense to you?

(Myrna nods)

KRIS: Indeed. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:50

KRIS: We suggest a small break.

(Break starts at 8:50 PM.)

(CONVERSATIONS AT BREAK: John snuck out for a smoke while Alex and Myrna chatted about what Kris had said. They talked about empathy and other people’s suffering for approximately two minutes when Myrna suddenly says: “I feel guilty if I feel joy in the face of someone else’s pain” and Alex agreed with her. BAM! Kris comes back!)

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(Kris returns 9:13 PM.)

KRIS: Now we are glad that you have both come to that understanding. That is one of your own most “to heart” situations that you think “How dare I even pretend happiness when there is suffering and sorrow and misery all around me? BAD Darrolid! Bad ME!” for being joyous when there is no cause for rejoicing. Correct?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, why do you or anyone else feel the need to deprive yourselves of joy when others might do that? The others may indeed depend upon you to spread a little bit of sunshine when there is none available to them or they have forgotten how to spigot and let it flow. Do you understand?

So it is quite likely then that your lovely self is there to bring them the joy they have lost. So INSPIRE them. How can you bring sunshine to another when you yourself have blotted out the sun?

ALEX: I find it really hard to over come the inner suffering. I get sucked in.

KRIS: Then do not get sucked. It is not so easy to do, especially when you literally attack your own self, thinking that there must be something morbid in myself to be happy when another is not. It is a good thing to empathize with the other but is a BETTER thing to empathize AND lift the other, even if in only a small way, out of their misery. Do you understand?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: And we do understand that there are conditions of human suffering that are most difficult for the sufferers to understand, especially when they are life threatening conditions, cancers and other conditions.

ALEX: And the are completely innocent in their understanding?

KRIS: And that is so! And indeed, many times, it is suggested that these ideas that you create your own reality is nothing more than making the victim feel bad for being victimized. The idea behind such notions that you create your own reality is to actually indicate to you that there ARE means and ways to lift yourself out of your condition, CHANGE your condition and transform your life into something else. THAT is what reality creation is all about. Human beings have actually been doing this for ever!

ALEX: How do I create that with the other person or animal that is suffering? If I create my own reality do I just pretend that it is not happening?

KRIS: Indeed not, but you can pretend that somehow or other, somewhere, there is an abundance of energy available to BOTH of you for that person’s conditions to start transforming, to start changing. That is a small step in the right direction that means that you expect, somehow or other that the Universe and its energies start working to your advantage and to that person’s advantage.

ALEX: Okay, I did try to send them energy and my expectation was that they would get better.

KRIS: Now, what if the individual utilized your energy, your lovely thoughts as an added boost of energy to actually leave physical reality?

ALEX: Because I don’t think that they wanted to go?

KRIS: But what if they did.

ALEX: I am pretty sure that they didn’t want to go.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Now, we are creating a hypothetical question.

ALEX: Okay.

KRIS: So that is why we suggested earlier on to send UNCONDITIONAL energy with no strings attached. If the other individual makes a conscious or unconscious decision that the energy that you send them will be used to leave physical reality behind, why would you feel bad?

ALEX: Because I had an expectation that they would get better.

KRIS: Therefore, we suggest that you simply TWEEK your expectation, that it is UNCONDTIONAL. The energy is given to them to use AS THEY SEE FIT.

ALEX: Okay, so what if they start to get better and they are going that way and all of a sudden Bang and they turn for the worse.

KRIS: And? What is your point?

ALEX: They WANT to get better. My point is that I don’t think that my energy is working.

KRIS: And what if half way through they decided no, which obviously would have been in that hypothetical condition.

ALEX: Why would they do that?

KRIS: Why does anyone die? Because they choose to. Why does anyone take birth? Because they choose to. Why do you cross the street at one intersection and not another? Because it is your choice. Everything about existence then is a display of choice, one thing or another.

ALEX: So, when they get better they are only stringing you along then Bang!

KRIS: That is from your ego perspective.

MARK: Why did they get sick in the first place?

KRIS: Now, this kind of discussion can go on forever and can turn into some semantics. The point is that individuals have choice, just as you may decide to put on your blue socks and then after one foot in the blue sock you say no, you want to wear the red socks. Someone may decide that I may be interested in getting better, but then again I might not. I might decide then to take off and explore other realities instead of lingering around. There are millions of choices you make, hundreds day in and day out, thousands on weekly basis, millions on a yearly basis, literally.

ALEX: So my expectation should be just to give to them unconditionally and whatever choice they make, they make?

KRIS: If you give a beggar in the street five dollars, do you demand that he only buy one kind of loaf of bread instead of the bottle of wine that he wants? You give it to him or her and they choose how to use it. You went to school. Did your teacher demand that what they taught you could only be used in one career and not another? You would have told them where to go! (Kris leans over and shoots the finger). Do you understand?

Indeed. Then all of your life’s decisions are displayed before you like a smorgasbord and it is all you can eat for free. (Laughter). Choice costs nothing.

ALEX: Does this come down to my ego then?

KRIS: You are beating yourself up with your own ego. You are feeling that it is inappropriate for them to use your energy in any other way than the one that YOU expect. You can however simply change your attitude at that level and give unconditionally. If they wish to get better that is as good as if they wish to leave. You may give of your loving energy to an animal who is sick and they will get better and you will give of your loving energies to another animal who will die. Have you failed? Have they failed? HAVE THEY FAILED YOU?!

ALEX: I feel that I have failed them. It’s the guilt. It’s the guilt.

KRIS: Leave that to the priests. (Laughter). They know how to cook religions with it.

ALEX: Thank you.

KRIS: However, do not fail yourself! Do not DENY yourself or anyone else the love and the original goodness in your heart. That is more important than anything that you can ever conceive of.

ALEX: I will try to remember that.

KRIS: (Leaning over and looking at Myrna). Did you get that?

MYRNA: Yes, of course I got that AND there is an identity that I had created around love and goodness. It was my survival and my family’s [survival]. I feel that it has cost me and yet there are times that I have such love that I just can’t contain it. I get very confused about what is authentic when I am authentic.

KRIS: Because you doubt your own authenticity. If you did not doubt, and this is not a judgment, but if you did not doubt your own loving ability then you would not worry that others may think that perhaps you are not being truthful or that others are not being truthful with you about it. As we said, this is not a judgment.

MYRNA: I understand that. At core for me…I thank you for this…At core for me, the only way I could survive, I felt, as a child in my home was to take care of my parents. They asked me. They demanded that of me, to take care and I took care. I took care of them so much that I didn’t get to take care of me.

KRIS: Indeed. So there is then a sense of betrayal.

MYRNA: I wasn’t going to go to betrayal, I was going to go to confusion. Perhaps it is that I recall as a child saying “God. I will be the best daughter as long as they are okay.” So I think it is the Unsafe Universe that I feel betrayed by. I don’t think that I have ever said that actually.

KRIS: That is good. Now, many individuals actually make a pact of a similar nature. Philip has made some (pointing at Mark as Mark nods in agreement) and many others. And then when the situation does not turn about the way that you INTENDED it to happen with the pact, because you would say to God or the Universe: “I held up my end of the bargain, why am I getting shafted now?” Do you understand?

Therefore, WHO is to blame here? Knowing full well that the original pact may have even been flawed, demanding something out of the ordinary, beyond any human to actually uphold, intending for some unrealistic realities to manifest themselves. Whether one actually feels betrayal, rejection, short changed, shafted somewhere along the line.

MYRNA: Abandoned.

KRIS: Indeed. Then there is some Hell to pay! Somewhere, someone is owed something. Correct?

MYRNA: Oh, I think I gave up on that!

KRIS: Indeed. They expired the statutes of limitations on those a long time ago on those issues. Now, there are many ways to make reconciliation and to heal that wound and to let go of that past. Perhaps the best way is to acknowledge that those were the ideas of a child and HER reality, that the adult YOU can understand the child and even LOVE the child and appreciate her endeavors and all of what came with her reality, but THIS present reality is different even though it contains elements of the past. It need no longer be ruled by them. It need no longer be controlled by THAT past as it belongs to an individual that you no longer are. Do you follow?

MYRNA: Yes I do.

(MARK’S NOTES: the following segment was delivered in a slow, soothing, suggestive and hypnotic voice).

KRIS: And from this present moment, you may even pretend that that past is contained in the basket of a hot air balloon and that basket contains all of the elements of that past experience, that child, HER parents and the views of all of those individuals and as with any hot air balloon worth the value of its hot air, it starts to rise from the ground and as it starts to rise, YOU can take the cord that ties it to the stake, pull the cord so that the hot air balloon and all of its hot air reality can rise, rise above your head, rise above buildings and tree tops, rise above the sky scrapers, high into the clouds, travel to a new horizon and as you see it go you cannot help but love it none the less and send it off with warm blessings for them to discover their future journey and take a deep breath now.

(Myrna breathes in deeply and exhales.)

KRIS: How does that feel deep in your gut?

MYRNA: If I didn’t have to pee I would be clear. (Laughter)

KRIS: Then we will give you a pee break.

(9:13 Break Starts)

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(9:22 session resumes)

KRIS: Now then, it is a fine thing indeed to be able to release all of that hot air, but you do not want it to come back so you must fill the space, psychologically speaking. What we are suggest is that you begin by addressing your needs for love and you must give it to yourself first and foremost, any of the love that you would offer freely, unconditionally, to any other human being, close to you or to a stranger, to gently, lovingly wrap it up in a pretty parcel and offer it to yourself as a gift, unconditionally. Pretend the Santa Claus of Love comes early this year and it leaves you a big parcel, one that you can dive in, one that you can eat without any remorse or calories, and basically, enjoy. Now we are speaking metaphorically and NOT. By that we mean, for as much fun as it is to describe, you also take it literally.

MYRNA: I have.

KRIS: Indeed. So make a special ritual in the morning. If you remember your dreams write them down and then take at least a few minutes to give yourself a great deal of loving attention, however you want to manifest that and make it the springboard for the rest of the day.

Whatever happens the rest of the day, if it DETRACTS, seeks to pull you away from that loving intent, gently remind yourself that you would like to stay on that track for the day and not be taken anywhere else. Do you follow?

If you have made some detours and recognize it, gently go back. Make it a meditation, that your whole day is a meditation on loving. Loving another, loving yourself; somewhere there should be some kind of love. If you would like you can even pick up a beautiful daisy at the flower shop and offer it to yourself, anything that will give you the sense and the SIGNAL that there is love POURING into your existence. Does that make sense?

MYRNA: I would love to know that, that there is love pouring into my existence.

KRIS: Then give it to yourself. Do not wait for someone else to give it to you. You might wait a long time. Take some action in that direction as a gesture, a confirmation that you are doing this. If you must, in the evening, have a nice loving bubble bath, make a nice supper. Do something during the day that is “A GIFT OF LOVE TO YOU”, in a way that no one else can, whether it is chocolate or flowers, perhaps a piece of clothing, perhaps simply basking in the warmth of love and nothing else.

We know sometimes this sounds trying, but if you do take it to heart, you will notice that there is something different in your existence. That, combined with our previous suggestion of seeking out those other selves of yours, specifically hone in on those future selves that have gone their own way from this moment on and have made their own loving discoveries about themselves in this quest and literally ask them to assist you as part of their grander self to come to your own ego realizations. Does that make sense? Thus there is somewhere in time and space where there is a joyous “nation of Myrnas”. That is indeed your challenge.

Now, you are sitting so quietly thinking that you have been forgotten (referring to John).

JOHN: Well, I actually have a couple of questions if I may. I am curious about what my essence name might be. I had asked myself and I wrote a poem about it and I got the name Joshua.

KRIS: We may offer you Sohars, pronounced SH but no H. (Pronounced “So Harsh”).

JOHN: Sohars. Hmmmm..

KRIS: But we do not mean that you are such a harsh man. (John chuckles)

JOHN: Okay, now I have a question. I understand that everything that I experience here in this physical universe is ultimately a projection of myself.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Is that true in all of consciousness?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yeah, I thought so.

KRIS: Now you may pose it to yourself, the question of whether you are projecting a different reality as a different state.

JOHN: Oh, yeah. I get you. It gets multiple there.

KRIS: Indeed, since you are also a nation of individuals. What kind of realities are my others selves projecting? Are they male or female, of any orientation, of any interests, affiliation, political, religious or otherwise? Do they (have their) be(ing) in reality at a time similar to this, or in what is portrayed as an ancient time, a future time? Do they live perhaps in another solar system, another dimension, are they bipedal or otherwise? Do they have two arms, four arms? Do they have two eyes, four eyes? Do they have six eyes? Where or how are their bodies constructed? What kinds of laws of physics exist in their realities and so on and so forth?

JOHN: Okay, good. Thank you. I have another question. I have had for a couple of years now, had an affectingness in my eye, a blurry area in my left eye and it kind of changes all the time and it really doesn’t bother me that much but sometimes it bugs me. My impression is that this might be me showing myself in a way that I will notice continuously that the reality that I am seeing is not really what I think it is, to tell me that there is layers.

KRIS: This makes sense that you are trying to direct your attention to the fact that there are realities behind the reality that you see, that indeed there are causal realities as opposed to the ‘effect’ reality. In other words there are other frames of existence that give existence to your reality. Does that make sense to you?

JOHN: Yes that is basically what I feel.

KRIS: Indeed, for you see the physical senses are very pretty liars. They convince you because you rely upon them, they convince you that physical reality is solid and it is the only reality that exists because the ego is within that reality, but that is only partially true. This physical reality actually has its being within a larger reality that the physical senses hide from you. The rods and the cones in your eyes only feed you back certain imagery. You are convinced for example that the walls are solid and that this table is solid stone and your physical body will react appropriately were you run your shin bone into it. It will give you about three hundred pounds worth of pain.

That relates to the consensus reality. There is another reality behind that and more even. The physical senses try to convince you that the rest is heresy, that only this is a dream. So you are playing with the concept. You actually, should you try to fix your attention on that particular anomaly in your sight, and allow your consciousness to travel within in it, to perceive beyond that door. What you will subjectively experience will effect you far more than anything you experience in physical terms because it will be a certain point of your physical experience. So play with what you already have.

JOHN: Yeah, I have been playing with it.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Yeah, that’s great. I got my essence name. How about my alignments? Do you mind doing that kind of thing?

KRIS: It is fine. You do understand that our perception is different from Seth or Elias, though in a similar vein.

JOHN: Yeah, primary, secondary, etc.

KRIS: Indeed. This relates to our perception that you have at least two or three of these focuses, essence focuses in this physical reality. You would also have other manifestations of your essence self in other realities, what we have termed, other clusters of existence. Now, it is also possible that not everyone will have at least three essences in physical reality here. There might be two. But from our perspective you are primarily in terms of belonging, Sumafi. Secondary is Milumet. Tertiary is Gramada.

JOHN: Great.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you may, as some people find Milumet to be somewhat distasteful because they believe it is rather uncomplimentary, but do look behind the initial description and you will find that this is not so far fetched for your being.

JOHN: Okay. So in terms of primary, secondary, tertiary, would that be analogous to Elias’ alignment?

KRIS: Belonging to.

JOHN: Belonging to. I see. So is there an aligning?

KRIS: Indeed. Relating to focus.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: Primary – Vold, Zuli, Ilda.

JOHN: Okay, well that gives me lots of fun to look up.

ALEX: Kris, could you explain the difference between what you just said, the belonging to and the aligning?

KRIS: Indeed. In certain terms, your essence is rooted in specific intents or orientations in that manner. It pulls upon those and is thus considered families of consciousness or families of intent, much in the manner of birds of a feather sticking together. Thus your essence is rooted in specific intents, and your focus personality is affiliated with intents as well. That may be different, sometimes also similar.

ALEX: So then you could basically say that the first three belong to Sohars and the second three belong to John.

KRIS: Indeed, as a focal personality.

Now, what is the time? (9:40)

We suggest that if you do not have anymore questions, that we take leave of your lovely selves, that you sleep well, you sleep in peace and love and you might even like to ask your dream self to bring you to places in your dreams where you can be surrounded and filled with loving intent. And with that we will bid you all a most fun evening.

GROUP: Thank you.

(Sessions ends at 9:40)

Purusha, The Original Personality, The Causal Ocean and Quadrants

October 18, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 18, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Dinner and a Dead Guy Evening with California

Attended by telephone by group in Castaic, California.

SESSION begins at 7:49 pm

KRIS: Now then we thank you for your presence and we welcome old and new friends alike.

(Hi Kris)

KRIS: Indeed, also a pleasant and balmy evening to you.

For a short while we would enjoy continuing some of our presentation, and perhaps we will be extremely kind afterwards and open the evening for questions and exchanges as opposed to simply listening to The Big Daddy in silence.

Now, as we have presented, there is a source to your selves, even above and beyond the concept of essence. From our perspective essence, your ‘essence self’ is another of your expressions. And this has its origins in what we refer to as the Fourth Quadrant of Consciousness, from where we described is [the] Core Light. And though we are aware that this definition, or designation, is a rather poor choice, we do not wish to bog down everyone with foreign language, but another most appropriate word for this is a Sanskrit term, called Purusha. It is spelled Pu-ru-sha. It defines most appropriately what you would call The Original, the Point of Origin. It has other definitions that are attributable to various states of differentiation and non-differentiation, or dualism and non-dualism.

From our perspective then, the individual extends itself beyond that Fourth Quadrant into the Third Quadrant, exploring a host of dimensions related to various clusters wherein each cluster houses different kinds of families of consciousness and all of the arrangements, the specific intentional blueprints accommodate, as we have started to describe to you a few months back. And herein there are different choices that can be explored even before experiences that are related to this Third Quadrant where [the] clusters’ blueprints have their being.

And here before various essence forms are created, the Purusha, the Original Individual can indeed select one, several or multiple essence forms with which to give life to and cultivate cluster blueprints out of which and within which innumerable types of families of consciousness organizations are settled upon, and can then continue into the creation of specific focuses that eventually end up in what we have described as the First Quadrant, what you refer to as Framework 1 or the physical reality. And we are well aware that this is an oversimplification. Suffice it to say that there is a salient point which we wish to bring about and share this evening, and that is that the individual, different from the focus personality, the individual will literally give rise to several or even multiple essence forms, which themselves give birth or life to legions of focuses or focal personalities.

And if you perceive this from a very specific point of view or angle, you might recognize that this information has implications. The implications are as follows: You are, each of you then, a focal expression of essence, which is another expression amongst several others, or what we have called in Sanskrit the Purusha, or the Original Individual. Thus as Purusha, you have several or even multiple essence forms that may visit and set up house, so to speak, in many clusters simultaneously, from which you then create focal personalities throughout these various clusters, each working with specific families of consciousness blueprints, within various clusters.

So we are presenting this then simply to further compound and confound the issue of What is Self? Who is Self? Who am I? And of course, that which you refer to as *I* in your daily conversations, ‘I am happy.’ ‘I am sad.’ ‘I am neither happy nor sad.’ ‘I am non-judgmental.’ ‘I am non-critical.’ ‘I am critical. I am judgmental.’ And so on and so forth.

That *I* is the observer within the focal personality, but you have therefore another *I*, an inner *I*, an*I* that is aware of the focal personality and many other focal personalities within the one domain of a cluster, the one we have called The Taaj (in your dimension). Beyond that there is still another *I*, an *I* that identifies with its awareness and knowledge of several essence or inner selves; has awareness of multiple clusters with all of their variant family orientations spread throughout a vast network of awareness.

This whole network represents then a specific cosmology of selfhood that is still far vaster than what you may imagine it to be, though we are aware that already your imagination has been stretched. But we wish to share this to provide you with more food for thought and a developing sense of awareness about the scope and breadth of consciousness, the likes of which may be difficult for you to grasp, but that you have at least an intuitive sense as to its vastness.

And as to the literal energy that you surf, energy that is continuously at your disposal to further enhance your knowledge and your abilities to transform that energy into something else, what you call physical reality in relationship to your existence as a focal personality.

Now to be perhaps on a more poetic side and this is an exercise that you may practice. This exercise is best done in the night where you can see the velvety black sky with stars, but if you put this exercise into practice in the daytime, you may imagine that you are looking at the night sky. Either way when you look at the stars, when you look as far as the horizon allows you to see, allow your minds and your awareness to stretch, and imagine for a moment all of the points of light that you see in the sky are other focal personalities of your own Purusha, or Original Personhood, and that from that vantage point these other focal personalities shining like brilliant diamonds in the black sky, see you as another point of light.

And consider that each point of light is therefore, a cherished, sacred and blessed expression of the Selfhood, each established in another reality or dimension. And allow your own mind to be filled with the wonder before your sight, that all of what you see, all of what your senses, physical or otherwise are taking in this panoramic creation, is a manifestation of your Purusha, your Original Personhood, in a manner that you can perceive. And allow yourself to not only feel the breadth and scope of that extensive universal form, but also be touched by the nurturing, loving support that exists in that particular frame at that moment in space and time.

And you need not feel insignificant because you are only one point of light, but instead all of the points of light that you can see and possibly imagine are themselves an expression of a much larger body, a much larger self, that extends beyond all stretches of the imagination. And once you acquire that sense, that feeling, literally take that energy and direct it towards the life that you know in this slice of time and space, and let it fill that life to the brim and to overflowing so that from this cosmic perspective, the small annoyances and challenges of that life are indeed put into perspective and are no longer seen as hurdles and difficulties but that instead these challenges and annoyances may be brought into balance and harmony; and from this larger cosmic perspective your existence in that life in time and space continues as a charmed and blessed sacred event, which influences all of the other points of light in a nurturing manner as easily as all of the other points of light exert nurturing and enhancing influence upon yours.

And then after a few moments, allow yourselves to return to your daily activities and look at the life that exists because you are, and see that life with new eyes. Then continue your daily activities. Eat, drink and be merry, unless you want to be Ellen or Jack. It doesn’t matter (general laughter).

Now then, if all of the lovely people in California are back to earth (we are.), then we out of the kindness of our being, offer you a small break so that you can develop a strategy for your Q & A.

BREAK begins at 8:18 pm

SERGE: Okay, what went on? I have the feeling that somebody took me on a trip somewhere.

PAUL: He did an exercise and it’s a really fun trip.

MARK: Years before I met Serge I almost died from salmonella poisoning. I was in the hospital for two weeks and lost 75 pounds in about a week. Anyway, for part of my healing recovery I went up north to a friend’s cottage, and sitting around the campfire, the bonfire there and staring up at the stars I swear it did absolutely wonders for me.

PAUL: I did that as a teenager at an overnight camp in suburban Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Rural Pennsylvania. It’s the first time I ever really saw the Milky Way and let’s just say there were some psychedelics coursing through my veins at that stage and just the body the universe and all the dots of light…..so that’s were I go.

WOMAN: I’d rather do that than have salmonella.

MARK: But I could actually take the energy from those stars and help cure, help heal me.

PAUL: It’s our bodies, layers of self.

WOMAN: It may have helped you live.

MARK: Exactly.

SERGE: Everybody’s so quiet down there (in California).

PAUL: I also remember laying there wondering if there was someone else wondering on one of those dots of light.

MARK: Oh yeah, we’ve all been there.

PAUL: The exercise that he just did covers that same ground.

MARK: Actually I think it was with Alex he talked about that. He did talk about that, didn’t he? (Alex: Yes) You can wave at yourself from these other worlds and picture them waving back.

WOMAN: It’s a form of acknowledgement.

PAUL: Are any of our words dropping out on your end?

SERGE: No, it’s just that you guys are quiet., unusually so.

PAUL: I had great difficulty during the first ten minutes understanding about every third word that Kris was saying. I had no idea. I was lost. And it was an unusual thing. There was new energy coming in, so there was my noticing and awareness to settle down, but once I settled down and locked in some of Kris’ words were dropping and I wasn’t understanding him. So I’m just pointing that out that our present connection. I did get the gist of where he went. He did half an hour there. Already part of me is waiting for the tape and the transcript to see what he was talking about.

Here’s a question. Purusha is a term I’m familiar with, but he also said Bursha? Mark, can you or Alex confirm that? Was it just ‘Purusha?’

MARK: I think its just Purusha.

ALEX: That’s all I got.

PAUL: Because I thought he spelled it bursha.

MARK: He said Purusha.

PAUL: So there is some technical problem here (on the telephone connection).

(… further discussion about the apparent auditory problems with the phone.)

SERGE: So what did you gather from what Kris talked about.

PAUL: He sort of reiterated the four quadrants and went through quadrants one through three and pointed out three “I’s” and then focus, essence and pyramid gestalts, and he just used the term multiple essences and clusters. He was just reviewing that and Purusha, the original self, which is Quadrant Four. He’s dealing with four “I”s. Anybody else?

MARK: I like that analogy.

PAUL: And I was thinking: “Kris, give us an exercise to experience the map in practical terms”, and damn if he didn’t do a five or ten minute thing on that. Did we pick that up because he was going to go there, or did he pick up that we were thinking that and go there without us having to ask?

(Discussion about visualizing the cosmos, etc).

PAUL: I went very dispersed into an energy cloud that’s been around me for a few weeks. That was interesting.

SERGE: You’ve got to stop smoking that stuff there Paul…

PAUL: That’s an interesting part of all of this. I used to think that it was an effect of smoking the pot, but it’s happening during that also, and so the conclusion is that I don’t need that anymore. That’s the whole point of that exercise.

SERGE: So are you saying that at a particular point in time you get saturated with it and you don’t need to add to it because it’s always there.

PAUL: No, there’s still the body buzz, you can get high, but the energies that you are tuning into, you start to discern them with or without the substance. That’s the whole point of the substances, at least that’s what I got from Castaneda, the Don Juan stuff. How about on your side guys?

SERGE: They’re quiet too now.

ALEX: Everybody’s thinking about all the drugs they’ve done. It’s all the licorice you guys are eating. We are all just so mellow.

(Further general discussion about the weather.)

SESSION resumes at 8:29 pm

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are all so talkative.

Now to make this somewhat simpler, you are a focal personality, an expression of your essence, and that essence self has many other focal personalities. You have also several other essences that have their own focal personalities, either in this dimension and reality, or even in others beyond the Taaj cluster, where you have other essence expressions that have their own focal personalities according to the dynamics of the blueprints where they express themselves.

Therefore we are leading into territory, psychological territory that begins describing the multi-dimensional structure of selfhood, above and beyond the *I* of the focal personality and the *I* of the inner self, or essence, as one simple structure. It is often assumed that essence is a singular structure that holds various focal personalities. From our perspective essence structures are expressions of another layer of the *I*, of selfhood, and there are several, to many such essence expressions that again have each their own inviolate nature and focal personality expressions.

We ourselves are aware of at least 16 essence expressions that basically form our awareness. Many such essence expressions have different focal personalities. They are dispersed through several of the clusters and each have their experiences, their joys and their sorrows, each in their own creation of the time space continuum, as each of you also has.

Thus when we describe to someone who asks about their essence tone and their family of consciousness belonging to or aligning with, we limit it, this description, to three layers both at the belonging and alignment. Any more would cause undue confusion. Those three layers themselves seem to be confusion enough. And when we refer to primary, secondary and tertiary belonging, we are being very specific in the sense that the individual that has asked is receiving a belonging to at least three essence bodies within the Taaj structure.

Now with this long monologue, we will turn the evening and the discussions over to your sweet questions so that now we can have dialogue. We would not wish for our melodious voice to fill your lovely ears overly much.

ROSALIE: I have a question Kris. This is Rosalie. Typically when Elias has talked about families of consciousness, he has associated a color with them, and I wonder if there is, in your view, a color associated with the Dulvar family.

KRIS: The Dulvar color, if you wish, is a rich teal vibration.

MARK: Kris, would you please clarify that last statement that you made about primary, secondary and tertiary each being three essences?

KRIS: Indeed. What did you not understand?

MARK: I just wanted to make sure I did understand that correctly.

PAUL: I have a question along those lines too Kris. If you could you elaborate or give some examples to show what you mean by primary, secondary and tertiary. Is it in terms of intensity, in terms of waning intensity? I can follow three essence families say Sumari, Sumafi, Milumet as primary secondary and tertiary. But what I can’t follow yet is what makes the primary primary, in relation to secondary, and throughout etc?

KRIS: Indeed. From our perspective, the primary designation is the essence family belonging that carries the overall intent. Secondary and tertiary are as described, they carry secondary and tertiary support as additional conveyance of intent for the manifestation of focal personalities within the Taaj. The primary is the strongest tool. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Is it like a musical chord then of three tones wherein the primary tone has a larger amplitude, is the loudest tone, and the secondary is blended in a may not be as perceivable, and then the tertiary tone is even softer?

KRIS: The analogy is good. Now do understand that these are descriptive, though the primary will have the overall largest intent influence, the other two also bring about a sense of balance and harmony to the overall desired outcome of manifesting those essences and each of their various focal personalities within any specific cluster within any specific family of consciousness. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Yes. So this primary, secondary, tertiary from your perspective, that is in the cluster blueprints let us say in Quadrant Three as consciousness enfolds and manifests through this quadrant into a Quadrant Two manifestation….I’m realizing that you are talking about nested blueprints. Is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: Ok, I got that. The other question is about this sub-family concept that you and Seth and Elias and you have all talked about.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: How does this primary, secondary and tertiary relationship influence then sub-families? It makes logical sense that there should also be primary, secondary and tertiary sub-families. As we get more refined, we can go into sub-families as far as primary, secondary and tertiary?

KRIS: This does occur occasionally It is not necessarily the norm, but there are often affiliations made at that specific belonging layer when there are needs perceived by the essence, that portion of the *I* self, and thus certain affiliations would be made, only when desired and needed for specific outcomes, which may indeed be the creation of even different types of focal personalities.

PAUL: One last question. If this is real and this is true in some non physical eternal no time sense, then the Vedantic and Vedic cultures have translated this in their own ways, the Tibetans who are master inner voyagers, must have translated this in their own ways too. Can you point to some concrete examples in your awareness and through Serge’s awareness of how the Tibetans and the Hindu traditions imaged this, what we have been talking about concerning the Quadrants and the families and the primary, secondary and tertiary designations? It’s very subtle and complicated.

KRIS: Indeed. In Vedic writings, there is the description of the supreme Purusha known as Garbhodakasayi Visnu, reclining in the Causal Ocean and out of the pores of the Visnu, Garbhodakasayi Visnu, rise spheres which each contain a representation of the Original, but this one described as Ksirodakasayi Visnu. And each Ksirodakasayi Visnu gives birth to a Brahma, the creator aspect of selfhood, and this creator aspect of selfhood creates all reality in four directions at that layer. Each such sphere rising out of the pores of the Original, Garbhodakasayi Visnu, in the Causal Ocean represents then clusters of consciousness.

PAUL: Thank you. That’s clear. Is there some representation of the families, or primary, secondary and tertiary?

KRIS: That particular knowledge presents a nebulous gap since the knowledge that is presently found in the Vedas is a recreation of a much older work from the pre-Ice Age period approximately 10-12,000 years ago.

PAUL: So this was delivered accurately in our Framework 1 terms, 10-12,000 years ago, but it’s been lost or watered down?

KRIS: Indeed. After the last major Ice Age of the approximate time period of 10,000 years back when The Speakers, known as the Rishis in those cultures, gave that knowledge, it had to be presented in a slightly different manner because mankind had forgotten much of its earlier knowledge and awareness. And this forgotten stage is interpreted by your anthropologists as the ‘cave man’ stage, which is believed to be your ancestors, and though they are your ancestors, they themselves are the descendants of a previous larger civilization having dealt with catastrophic events and having much forgotten the knowledge of their ancestors.

As such, this ancient wisdom had to be presented in a manner that would also try to convince these remnants of civilized man in a unified body. This was done through the auspices of a religious overtone, taking focus out of survival mode and directing that energy of self survival to group survival and group evolution through the use of mythological religious structures to give a common goal of unified survival as opposed to egoic individual or singular survival at the expense of all others. Do you follow?

Thus their origin was couched and veiled in mythologies trying to keep a common purpose and a common goal, the goal being awareness, evolution, enlightenment; enlightenment to the original state of Purusha. But as we said, many things, religious organizations and doctrines find means to alter, or as it is often said in certain circles, ‘cook the books’, in order for the status quo to be maintained.

There are teachings in ancient Tibetan Buddhist circles that will be codified as inner circle teachings that are not made available to books or to the general populace, about the inner dimensions of the godhead or deity. Some of these are represented and hinted at in the writings that are made publicly available, but they can only be accessed through inner translations revealed by the; we are going to use a rather bizarre sounding term, but you have different kinds of lamas in Tibetan Buddhist teachings. Correct? Yes.

They have different degrees depending upon the schools that they originate from. But there are lamas that do not come to the physical level at all. They are within various dream states and they may even take the guise of certain deities to transmit teachings to some of the lamas that are physical, whether they appear as Buddhas or otherwise, and they are “Dream Lamas”.

There is a specific level of White Tara, the Feminine embodiment of mercy, compassion, love and forgiveness that also operates in that capacity as a blueprint that symbolizes those qualities of intent. And as we have hinted at in the past, we have many hats and that is why on some other layer Joseph has affection and an affinity with White Tara as it is popularly known because we sometimes make use of that symbol, the embodiment within a specific layer of dream state, to transmit information to some Lamas. Do you follow?

PAUL: Are you also talking about the Dakinis and what we call deity mysticism?

KRIS: The Dakinis, as we have described under the term of the Nine, now Ten Sisters, are known to us from that layer and some of those transmissions.

Now, we feel that it is a question that has been answered. Do you have other questions or other individuals have questions?

ELENA: Yes. This is Elena

KRIS: Indeed, a joy to meet you.

ELENA: Was that you at the back of my head that tingles?

KRIS: Do you wish for us to stop tingling? We can assure you it is not dandruff. You are sensing our energy or some of our energies with your own inner bodies. Your physical form is responding to those exchanges. Do you understand?

We hope that it can meet with your approval.

ELENA: It meets with my approval. It was pleasant.

KRIS: Indeed, you are most welcome.

QUESTION: This is a follow up question to the families of consciousness information being absent in recorded religions. I Imagine that applies to Jewish tradition that there is no evidence in that as well as any other religion that was around two thousand years ago.

KRIS: In that part of the known world at that time you would have had to belong to the inner sanctum of many of the Gnostic circles. You would have had to be a member of what is loosely called the Secret of Secrets Societies. These were the engine that fueled the secret teachings, which in turn fueled the Gnostic teachings, many of which were interpreted and reinterpreted again and polished and homogenized and pasteurized until you ended up with the traditional standardized version of the Judeo Christian writings. But even in those writings there are a few hints, though not as many as others of those nested layers within selfhood. The Greek god Dionysus, the Persian god Mithras, many others were already well-established cults that dealt with the inner meaning of the self, the cosmology of the self.

The ancient Egyptians also had their inner teachings. They also had a fascination with stars. There are some teachings that hint more so at this information. The standard versions of sacred writings that have become known today have gone through the grinder and had many parts removed. Some of the more ancient Gnostic texts do speak very clearly of divine principles over and above and beyond what the Judeo Christian tradition refers to nowadays as Jehovah, or Yahweh, and in many ancient mythologies the gods that came before the gods. These mythologies have often been forgotten. Does this satisfy your question?

(Yes, thank you very much.)

PAUL: One question on transmission. It’s interesting that you bring that up Kris in terms of these different types of love, for lack of a better word, and inner transmission, it’s clear that in our historical period some of this transmission is happening through these energy exchanges, particularly Seth, Elias and yourself, and I’m realizing more so now that in ancient times or older times certainly that type of transmission occurred, but civilization wasn’t stable enough to get it into writing, there wasn’t an internet to make it available worldwide.

This is the first time in this epic of history that that’s available. I’m sensing that this inner transmission happens to all of us, picking up information and gleaning information in dream state, that transmission is happening to all of us, and yet many of us aren’t trained to remember dream state and bring that out of dream state or interpret that, and so these energy exchanges in this now are very important means of transmission. Is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed. The future of your race may at one point depend upon these transmissions. Do you follow?

The collective unconscious as if often used will always find ways to bring about that living knowledge that is a part of the experience of each self at the level of essence that knowledge exists. There are many impediments to remembering in your western civilization most of which has to do with fear, unfounded fear that is within yourselves. You fear your imagination. You fear your emotions. You generally have more fear directed at subjective experiences than you have of nuclear holocaust. But at least you believe collectively that you can find a certain degree of protection from such holocaust, but you believe that you have no protection from inner holocausts. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Would you elaborate on the inner holocaust protection?

KRIS: Which part did you not understand?

PAUL: I definitely grew up with the sense of the Cold War and the nuclear holocaust and how that may or may not unfold, but to even imagine some sort of inner holocaust, a war of the gods of the different mythologies has never been big in my reality.

KRIS: We are referring to subjective meltdowns. Fear of changes, fear of hearing things. This is big in your culture. You have a big medical trade in that. It is big medical business. Even to the point of concocting physical and mental and emotional ailments to sell medicines to counter the ailment, even if it is made up. You talk about your snake oil salesmen!!

Now do you wish a small break? Or are you ready for another volley.

(Break)

KRIS: Indeed. Prepare more lovely questions.

BREAK begins at 9:08 pm

SERGE: So what was that discussion about?

VARIOUS: About the three levels of families of consciousness alignments for root and focus, and whether or not it has ever appeared in any of the religious writings of the Vedic culture. The Jewish tradition was asked about specifically. It was originally included but was eventually watered down for the masses.

QUESTION: I’ve always been interested in this Nine Families mythos and where are traces of it in the other traditions. It’s a nine or a ten, which show up in the Mayan calendar and Elias has also talked about it. It just takes some digging to find the information. He also said that there are traces of the families in the Bible or the Torah, perhaps, and also in the Gnostic teachings from 2000 years ago.

KRIS: You also have a strong indication of this three nested layers of essence as we have described in many, many of the sacred traditions that make reference to a trinity of one kind or another, so that should also be taken into consideration.

QUESTION: I always thought it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and that ain’t all. That’s a good one. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Now have you had time to drum up or dream up some other questions?

QUESTION: I just had one more along those lines. When we talk about the prophets, were many of the prophets actually energy personality exchanges?

KRIS: Many were, but do understand that the distortions were filtered through their particular beliefs. They could only speak within the terms of their religion.

Other questions?

QUESTION: You mentioned telepathy the last time and I have been dreaming about that all week. Can you speak more about that?

KRIS: About telepathy? Is this correct? What would you wish to know about it?

QUESTION: How to do it.

KRIS: Developing this communication is relatively simple, but do not expect the Hollywood type. Leave that to the LA people. Do permit yourself, allow to experiment with telepathy and other precognitive elements or events. All events occur first and foremost at these inner layers or Framework 2 and above.

Communications and exchanges are first and foremost non-physical. If you make allowance for precognitive events to come to your awareness, you will notice that more and more you know who is calling you on the telephone. You will think of an individual that you may not have seen in awhile and perhaps that day or the next day you will be shopping or doing something quite ordinary and whom should you meet but that very individual, or at least hear from them. These are but two small examples.

Also we encourage you to keep writing those dreams because you will notice that there is a high degree of precognitive element found within dreams, but they may not be recognized until after a period of time, as in retrospect.

From there you might even be able to identify the new precognitive elements once you are aware of their patterns. These are but small instances, but they can be noticed if you are so kind as to allow their perception into your awareness. They exist at all layers. They are usually blocked out due to one or more fears.

So you might practice this small exercise and try to keep track of them too. Do you follow?

QUESTION: I get impressions or visions of things that are going to happen and the time frame between when I get them and when they manifest is getting shorter. Why does it take a duration of time to manifest and why is it getting closer and closer from the impression to the manifestation?

KRIS: As you shift your particular focus and your interest you are simply focusing upon events that are closer in those pockets of time to your own self. Other individuals for instance may receive precognitive impressions having to do with potential elements that may be six months or a year or two years from now, occurring in larger cycles. You have developed again a focus for a smaller time, and if you pay attention you may even notice that some events are pretty close and some of them have traces of what you perceived initially but with changes as well.

All events are merely potentials of the source event. They are representation of other events occurring at other layers. There may be such subtle or more direct changes according to the probable development that comes into YOUR field of awareness. Do you follow?

QUESTION: I still don’t understand why some impressions happen the next day while another one might be…..it used to be a longer time frame before I actually realized it and now it’s getting sooner and sooner to it, but I don’t understand why.

KRIS: As we have suggested, you are now focusing on potential events that are closer to emergence into your reality than you used to, while other individuals may have a talent for focusing into probable events, but more removed in time such as one or two years. So you are focusing upon those events that are waiting in the wings as probable developments but are closer. Do you understand?

QUESTION: Yes I do. So I’m just picking up on them?

KRIS: Indeed, or at least picking up on the probable developments, and they may still be altered by the time they come full-blown into your existence.

(Okay. Thank you.)

KRIS: You are welcome.

QUESTION: I think I have this belief that things that are closer in time that Gail is picking up on are more probable than the ones that are further away, but I don’t know if that is necessarily true.

KRIS: That is also correct. That is, probable events will be organized by your perceptions, and there are a host of other influences to be taken into consideration, but you do the organizing and the charting at those other layers of selfhood, and some events may actually never come to manifestation though you may have picked up on them, simply because it may have been deemed unnecessary or of little value fulfillment in this manner and will be reworked and recycled in another manner if it serves value fulfillment at some other instance. Does that make sense to you?

Now, what is the time? (9:22)

KRIS: We humbly suggest that we end our lovely discussion.

QUESTION: Can I ask you a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

QUESTION: When I’m reading a book, am I creating the whole book or am I creating the words one page at a time?

KRIS: You create for yourself the concept that you wish to read about and as you flip the pages you are refining your understanding as you go along, and it all makes perfect sense to your linear perceptions as much as possible.

QUESTION: But do I create all the words in the whole book?

KRIS: For yourself.

QUESTION: At the same time?

KRIS: The words reserve the right to change themselves according to your intent. They after all do have to have some disclaimer to their own freedom (laughter).

QUESTION: I watched a documentary on Mark Twain. Was I close to him in that focus?

KRIS: Now you have an affinity for the author, do you not? You have a love of the manner in which he played words like a musical instrument. You find that indeed it is almost a love affair with the way he conjured sentences, is that a correct approximation? Is this correct? (yes)

Mark Twain was prone to daydreaming and had an affinity for making a mental references to his muses. Do you understand? (no)

We believe that part of your own essence was involved in the process of his muses or inspirations. The manner in which he wrote was very much in line with someone almost possessed by the characters, giving them a life that already was theirs. Do you understand? (no)

When he created his characters for his stories, it was more so that his character allowed him to write their story.

QUESTION: I understand. Like the black lady that he interviewed.

KRIS: And we believe that your essence has an affiliation with the author and provided some sweet cosmic whispers. Do you understand?

QUESTION: Yes. This was when he was later in his life writing in his little study.

KRIS: But his process was working for a long time.

(Thank you.)

KRIS: You are welcome.

QUESTION: I was talking to someone on the phone yesterday about pursuing a particular profession, and as I was having that conversation a car drove by with the word of the profession on the car, and I wonder if I’m trying to nudge myself in that direction with such signs.

KRIS: Now we would suggest strongly that you do not wait until you hit yourself in the head. Take the hints you are giving yourself.

(Got it.)

KRIS: Indeed. Now we wish you all a marvelous and cosmic filled night of discovery, and may all of your essences sing their sweet song of love and life to you and through you, through the very fiber of your being, and may you have pleasant dreams.

SESSION ends at 9:30 pm

Quadrants of Consciousness

October 4, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, October 4, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

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Castaic – California night

Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alex (Darrolid), Paul H. (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Paul T. (Antolian), Ester (Benata), Jim (Jericho), Bobbi (Lillith)

Session starts at 7:52 PM.

KRIS: Now then we are glad that you are all so eager and anxious for more. (Laughter)

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: And a welcome to our long distance friends.

CASTAIC GROUP: Hi. Hello, etc.

KRIS: It is nice to sense all of your presences and all of your lovely selves.

Now perhaps this is an opportune evening to bring about both some clarification and perhaps something new, something titillating that will occasion the asking of more questions. We hope that this meets your approval.

CASTAIC GROUP: (In unison) Absolutely! (Laughter)

KRIS: There has been some questions of late of our use of the word “QUADRANTS” in terms of “Quadrants of Consciousness”. Do you recall that?

MARK: Very much so.

PAUL H. Kris, I think that the folks here could use a recap.

KRIS: Indeed then. WE made reference to this word in conjunction with the Families of Consciousness, the group of families under the heading of “the Taaj”, as well as various other clusters with their own representative families, specifically referenced to “Quadrants of Consciousness” and by that we mean it from OUR perspective.

This may be somewhat difficult because you are accustomed to sectioning off of information into the various pigeon holes of your awareness and rational, intellectual understandings, as well as finding appropriate subjective references to try and understand almost anything that comes your way. This is not a fault but it is conscious, linear information processing. From our perspective there are quadrants to consciousness, sections where vast quantities of information and living experience is categorized and this is why we said it would be difficult because the tendency would be to section this into four segments. Even though we use the word quadrant and each must therefore be separate and independent from the other even though this is not necessarily the case.

We will try to clarify this. In one quadrant you will find all of the experiences pertaining to perceptions. That includes all of various bodies we have described last week that themselves pertain to the physical senses, as well as those bodies that pertain to the inner senses, each aligned with one of the fourteen gateways we have described previously. From that perspective you have an enormous abundance of tools that enable you to manipulate energy and from that state create and manifest circumstances and the conditions of physical reality in all of its colorful expressions, individually and collectively.

In another quadrant are to be found, all of the necessary tools and materials pertaining specifically to ESSENCE. Now, of course these divisions or apparent divisions are arbitrary and not absolute. In this is the second division you have all of the interactions within the state of essence that flow freely into the first quadrant, sustaining and nourishing he first quadrant and expanding that specific quadrant. This second quadrant, pertaining to essence, contains what you also understand to be frameworks or regional areas or levels, in almost all of their permutations.

And as we move into a third quadrant we find here all materials pertaining to multidimensional structures that include the outer peripheries that pertain to clusters of consciousness in all of their permutations over and above anything that we have shared up to this time. This is a vast area unto itself that sustains and nurtures in its turn the second quadrant.

Over and above that in the fourth quadrant, this is where words MAY fail but in this fourth quadrant we find what we can only call CORE ENERGY. In the ancient Puranas, the Veda this specific quadrant would be referred to as BRAHMAJYOTI and though we do not specifically relish the use of the word LIGHT, this is where the core light stems from and it in turn nourishes and sustains the third which cascades into the third which cascades into the second which cascades into the first quadrant. This is why we have mentioned that divisions are arbitrary and non-existent because there are interactions between all of these and even the term NESTED in itself is somewhat inadequate as even though one is found in the other, the other may also contain the one.

And it is possible through understandings to actually capture a sense of all of these by paying attention, by noticing various stages of differentiation and non-differentiation of your own perceptive mechanism. We are fully aware that the tendency is to regard information in terms of dualism and non-dualism to try to get a grasp on, acquire a certain sense of the vast cosmology of self and in order to try and find specific equilibrium within this type of dualism and non-dualism tendencies we will bring about something that may be of assistance. We are also fully aware that for many millennia your species have often waged wars in trying to establish various philosophical perceptions, points of views, doctrines and teachings and often the baby is thrown out with the bath water in the process, because of the tendency to want to pigeon hole philosophies and information into either a dualistic or a non-dualistic perception. And since from our own perspective we do not agree with either state as being the absolute: but that the truth may indeed be found in between!

As well as we have looked into many of your philosophies through many different time periods, even into your future, we have found indeed a word that describes what we are perhaps trying to convey than those words that can lead to trying to pigeon hole experiences and information into dualism and non-dualistic states.

The word is derived from the Tibetan language and in itself it is a word that is not well understood. The word in Tibetan has an equivalent in Sanskrit, as well as in other cultures. In Tibetan the word is BARDO. You are familiar with this word?

PAUL AND PAUL: Yes.

MARK: We aren’t here.

ALEX: Can you spell that please.

KRIS: It is spelled BARDO in its English equivalent. In Sanskrit, the most appropriate word would be SVAHA (Kris then spells it), both meaning approximately the very same thing, meaning INTERMITTENT or IN BETWEEN STATE and STAGES¹.

Is this correct, Janaki?

PAUL H: Intermittent. Could the word intermediate also be used?

KRIS: Indeed as well as in between. So we are therefore presenting this and we will also subsequently provide more information because we have a specific point in mind this evening and understanding this bardo or svaha is very important to a very specific understanding of selfhood.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:14

KRIS: We will suggest a small break. Is this correct?

MARK: Yes.

(8:14 PM. Break starts)

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(8:21 PM. Session resumes)

KRIS: Now, before anyone begins to catalogue the fourth quadrant into a distance corner of the galaxy, far, far away from your being, we had best clarify that this specific quadrant that contains the core is ever present in your being and is only apparent to you intermittently between your fluctuations of awareness which includes those experiences that you would call LAPSES of awareness even as you leave this physical form and enter another.

It is not something that is far away and unattainable but is ever present. It does not appear to you when you are aware of something else such as the interaction with your physical senses and their various bodies interacting with physical matter. Thus, even though nested one within the other might be a close approximation, it is still slightly insufficient because they are acting, always one within the other. You might only perceive that specific energy from the quadrant when your awareness is not so completely directed in another area which might also include the six stages or aspects of Bardo, such as when you are between sleeping and dreaming, between death and leaving the body or entering a body and so on and so forth but that particular presence is ALWAYS within and part of whom and what you.

It is also directly in line with the other subject that we wished to bring about this evening. As far as you have come to understand up till now, you are aware of yourself as focus of Essence. You might care to be also become aware of other focuses of essence and you are likely to marginally be aware of yourself as essence.

What we are suggesting this evening is that you are also CORE energy which utilizes the broader and wider body of essence apart from the other bodies that you manifest and experience through. In other words you are the core of essence.

In our perspective then, your essence self is another of your expressions, that you are still something MORE, and the most appropriate word that we find at this time is CORE (Kris then spells core). From the CORE self you project a focus of Essence which projects focuses of Essence and that should be reworded. Essence is a projection or a focus of Core and your various personalities are focuses of essence and your Core self permeates all of realities that you could possibly imagine and conceive of and then some, making up this fourth quadrant.

This is why we referred to the word Bardo or Svaha specifically because its teachings can enable you to perceive these wider spectrums of your own self through the intermittent actions that can direct your perceptions through all of the various bodies that you have.

Now we are also aware that Joseph will object AGAIN to what we have said but he will come to understand it as well.

Do you have questions?

PAUL H: I have a question. This is Janaki. It is clear as it can be, to me, what we have just been discussing in terms of this map. The first question I have is: I saw you condense the first quadrant as the body, the second quadrant as essence and the FOURTH quadrant as core energy and as you went through the third quadrant you used the term multi-dimensional structures.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H: I am just curious. Have you sort of…not collapsed them but sometimes when we are doing these maps we do only a three or a four, I mean you have a four here but you also did a three with core, essence and focus. This could just be an I, I, I, so I am just curious about the multi-dimensional structures in the third quadrant that weren’t included in that essence focus and core.

KRIS: Indeed. From core you quite naturally expand your energies to create a very wide array of structures which we have started to assemble under the heading of clusters of consciousness. Though you might find it difficult to keep track of your own families in this Taaj Cluster, in YOUR neighborhood, (laughter) you at that once removed again stage, project your own energies through a multitude of dimensions and arrangements where there are hundreds of arrangements of families of consciousness from which, in this dimension, you then project the specific grid that enables the nine families, as you know them, but you are not concentrated wholly or entirely within this particular group of families. You experiment on an enormous scale with many other types of arrangements or organizations thereof. These are in the third quadrant.

We did not dilly dally too much in this one because we are working on the clusters themselves with you, therefore directed your attention more directly to the second. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL H: Yes. Yes it does. Another follow up question then is this fourth quadrant, what you are calling core energy; wouldn’t that be virtually what Seth called the “Primary Pyramid Gestalt”? (Pause). He talks about gestalt pyramid energy gestalts which in my mind I think of that in the third quadrant as clusters, what you are calling clusters, what Elias calls “Pools of Consciousness”, but then Seth called them “Pyramid Energy Gestalts” and then takes them up a notch and describes a PRIMARY, perhaps we could even use the word ultimate pyramid energy gestalt.

KRIS: That would be the equivalent and this is also where, we have referred to as your core self, has its primary or primal ROOT, from there, from that specific layer then, the third, the second and the first quadrants cascade from the core of your being.

PAUL H: That is very clear, Kris.

KRIS: We do apologize if words sometimes become impediments themselves to expressions. It would be SO much easier if we could simply telepathically transmit this nugget of information into your lovely brains.

PAUL H: You are welcome to do that in the dream state. I am giving you permission to do that in dream state.

MARK: Believe me, he has started already.

(Laughter)

PAUL H: We know that he has been doing it for a while.

MARK: I have a quick question. The Netjers, where do they fall in this spectrum?

KRIS: They are CORE!

MARK: They are core?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I got that impression.

KRIS: Just as YOU are core.

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: So principally, in spite of all of the other information, our central target this week was to stir the pot once again and present to you that from our perspective then, your essence is another manifestation of your core and from essence then you direct your focuses and your aspects. Does that make sense?

PAUL H: It does and just one more question, a follow up question. The Vedantic traditions, you are using quadrants, they are using Koshas and they claim that in waking state, dreaming state and deep dreamless state that we are moving through this chain of being of sorts and I just wanted to, Ramana Maharshi was a twentieth century Vedantic Sage who talks about how to, how someone who reads this transcript could attempt to experience what you are talking about and that is if one can stay awake and however we define awake, it’s a wider definition of awake, but if one could stay awake from transition state to dreaming state and witness that and from dreaming state to dreamless, formless sleep, at every twenty-four hours, every human being essentially goes through a state, not a stage of development, but a STATE which cycles through these four quadrants. If one could stay awake they could witness these four quadrants during those states. Is that accurate, Kris?

KRIS: Up to a degree. Do understand that the stage of deep dreamless sleep only appears so but you still have actions at that particular layer that may not register on the brain simply because it is too foreign. Do you understand?

PAUL H: Yes.

KRIS: There are no (unclear word) and there are no emptinesses in that specific literal sense of the word. When it appears that there is an emptiness, even in the highest Buddhist most meaning of the word, you still have interactions of consciousness that are too FOREIGN for the registering mechanism within the psyche focused in the human expression to adequately interpret so therefore it is simply erased, it is not noticed. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL H: Yes but I would like to believe that upon occasion, however the novelty, spontaneity within consciousness works, that a human expression could on occasion come back from that deep dreamless state, that empty state and I know what we are talking about translating into these different layers and these different bodies and different expressions and having a knowing, a simple feeling of being, validating what you are saying.

KRIS: You do have, in certain levels of sleep, a particular station where the individual is permitted some respite as in regeneration, therefore holding at bay any specific actions and interactions other than simply the state of regeneration. Therefore any activities and actions are suspended that may be interpreted as that emptiness. Does that make sense?

PAUL H: I understand. So these sages that anyone can look up on the internet and get a book in a bookstore and I am thinking of Ramana Maharshi in particular and the way that they describe this emptiness and they did in their own experience in a way they did manage to stay awake and experience this core energy in some way. They didn’t understand it. They did their best to try and explain it in terms of language and the maps of the cultures that they were in, for some reason they were able to stay awake and experience this and share it with everyone and say “Hey, this condition is real and you can experience it”.

KRIS: Indeed. Now this comes to a point of contention between traditional Vedontists where you have the philosophies of dvaita and advaita, dualism and non-dualism, where you have specific schools of thought that lean towards advaita that states that “any such explorations of consciousness is MEANT to bring the human being to the recognition to its state of eternal servitude to a supreme being” where the philosophies concerning dvaita or non-dualism REJECT the idea that one has to become subservient to the ideal of a supreme being that exacts servitude. Do you understand?

PAUL H: Yes and that is something that philosopher Ken Wilber would call the mythic world view or mythic interpretation of that dogma, so to speak that a type of servitude is necessary because at wider levels of understanding these sages don’t talk about that, at least the sages that I am finding.

KRIS: Indeed. There is a great deal yet that can be discovered and explored and our specific choosing of the words bardo or svaha is also meant to indicate that you can take the “art of noticing” up a notch from an art to an actual science or if you wish an art-science and by this noticing, begin recognizing that CORE self GENERATES all other expressions which INCLUDES essence, which INCLUDES all focuses and aspects and by this noticing it becomes easier to recognize that you are truly no longer in need of feeling as if you are specifically entangled and a victim of the actions and interactions of the physical senses and the physical matter and the events and the conditions and the circumstances of human life whether particularly related to your focuses in this here and now or yourself as focus in another here and now whether that here and now happens to be here and now. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL H: A hall of mirrors. Yes.

ESTER: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ESTER: You were talking about the core self and as core self there is the possibility of having more than one essence.

KRIS: That is why we talked about quadrant THREE where there are literally HUNDREDS of clusters filled with a few to thousands of essence families that are themselves the focal point of many, MANY essences. Do you follow?

ESTER: Yes.

KRIS: Does this also make sense to you Janaki?

(No response)

PAUL T: This is Antolian. Again referring to Ken Wilber, he speaks at length about the condition of one taste, essentially the non-dualistic traditions which although I don’t think that I have experienced it directly, I think from an intellectual stand point I can understand it’s the nesting in simple is-ness of everything and goes beyond the dualism. Is that, what you are describing, is the core?

KRIS: From our perspective, even though you enjoy states of differentiation and non-differentiation, self as separate from objects observed by self, you are still in some manner parceling your energies into objects apparently outside of self. The middle path might express this more clearly in terms of both states of differentiation and non-differentiation, dualism / non-dualism, dvaita / advaita, cannot necessarily be absolutes in their areas. They are all intermingled. You fluctuate them from one to the other and from CORE then, it is simple a position where differentiation and non-differentiation is neither here nor there. Neither state is valid because you are beyond both states, but both states are used as intermediates to your experiences. Does that make some sense to you?

PAUL T: Yes it does because Ken talks about the eternal witness, where you get to the point of witnessing everything, when you go beyond witnessing you go into this fourth quadrant, I presume that in his writings they are intermingled in each other, yet they can be experienced as different states.

PAUL H: And he actually uses the word “turiyatita” which means a fourth state.

KRIS: Indeed and this one of the main reasons why dualists and non-dualists, those that follow the path of dvaita and advaita, may never truly walk the same road together, because they are unable at this point that together they make more of a whole than separately. Do you understand?

PAUL T: (chuckling) Yes.

PAUL H: And that is what the integral approach that Ken Wilber promotes is all about. It is attempting to situate dvaita / advaita, differentiation / non-differentiation in between and situated in such a way as a holonic set of relationships that you are not marginalizing it, it doesn’t have to be on or the other, either or.

KRIS: The problem is that both traditional dualist and non-dualists still try to interpret the experience from the linear perspective, therefore see a need to make a differentiation even with non-differentiation. What we are speaking about then is a STATE that encompasses both without a need to differentiate between differentiation and non-differentiation. That is why we have referred to it as CORE self. Do you understand?

PAUL H: Yes, so far.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:56

KRIS: We suggest another small break from the bardo of the core!

(Laughter)

(Break starts at 8:56 PM.)

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(CONVERSATIONS AT BREAK: We talked about the core having multiple essences and whether or not there was a single core for all essences and focuses.)

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9:03 PM. Session re-starts

KRIS: Even the humble act of searching within at that subjective experience level, trying to gather the sense of BETWEEN differentiation and non-differentiation is sufficient to enable you to experience even a small iota of that concept and of course the dear ego construction will be very careful because there is the engrained perception that at some level, to venture too far into that state then ego construction will be vacuumed out into a great nothing, because from the ego’s perspective anything outside of its realm of understanding is questionable and may endanger its position.

So naturally you will venture out in small increments, but it is sufficient to grasp the understanding upon which you can then continue to experiment. In so many words as well, this can you an insight as to why we prefer to look at essence root and focus affiliations from a three tiered perspective and obviously what we call the primary, secondary and tertiary have nothing to do with one being superior and one being inferior to the other, but we had to begin somewhere, Thus by enabling the individual to widen their understanding of the interactions between the different families within the Taaj or even outside of it. It is possible to start stretching the boundaries of the conceptual self further and further into its original nature, even if it is only by increments. Does that make some sense?

PAUL H: Yes and a question then, we are used to thinking in terms of Seth and Elias that there is a physical five sense perception and then inner senses perceptions but at this third and fourth quadrant level you are hinting at a different type of perception. I mean that inner senses…you said inner senses; you put inner senses in the first quadrant actually so second, third and fourth…what I am grasping towards is; we are in the first quadrant. This is a first quadrant conversation and construction going on here. We have a sense with honing our conceptual inner senses as a tool to grasp these concepts and I am realizing that there is something beyond that. I am wondering if you want to comment on that now or if you want to wait until later.

KRIS: We prefer to wait until you have formulated your question somewhat differently. Now, we have only intoned sounds twice, the first time with you, the second time in a private session, but if you look at YOUR first time hearing the sounds you would have a specific reaction.

Each of you felt a specific resonance that went beyond the body, beyond the physical senses into the inner senses and perhaps even further. That is why you reactions were so profound. Do you understand?

MARK: Indeed.

KRIS: Do you understand?

CASTAIC GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, the sounds themselves were also meant to initiate a physical reaction but from the perspective of core so that you would have a slight inkling of the energy that, not only exist within the cells of your body but BETWEEN the cells of your body. In other words, into a state off your own body that is non-differentiated INCLUDING differentiated. Do you follow?

CASTAIC GROUP: Yes.

KRIS: These sounds as you have surmised can have a powerful affect and can indeed be utilized in many situations and we are quite ready to provide MORE, especially while you are still thinking of pursuing your initial idea, Rosalie. (Pause). Do you follow?

MARK: Rosalie?

PAUL T: He is talking about the singing.

JO: Oh, awesome! Yes!

KRIS: We are so glad that you are paying attention. (Laughter).

JO: I just walked out of the room for a minute to blow my nose and he caught me.

KRIS: You went to go make some other kinds of sounds. (Laughter).

MARK: Rosalie, what was you initial intent?

JO: The CD project? Is that what you mean?

KRIS: Indeed.

JO: Kris does Cole Porter or something like that on a CD. (Laughter). The idea really was that I would love to have heard a whole CD worth of those sounds.

PAUL T: Kris, are you willing to grace us with you voice once again this evening?

MARK: I think that he is waiting for us to shut up so that he will. (Laughter).

KRIS: Now far be it from our humble self to presume that we have such a beautiful voice and to also presume that your ears would want MORE, but indeed it is not so difficult. There are different sounds that can be produced such as:

Sounds 1

KRIS: Now, these are not long sounds, but OBSERVE how you are interacting with the sounds at this moment.

PAUL T: This is Antolian. This time they got me!

KRIS: As Joseph would say: YES! (Pulling his closed fist downwards with a bent elbow).

(Grand laughter)

MARK: Arm movements and all!

ALEX: I wish you all could have seen that!

KRIS: Now then, there are long sounds that can also be produced:

Sounds 2

KRIS: With a larger lung capacity it would be possible to producer longer sounds still. There are different types of sounds again. More of chant, per se:

Sounds 3

KRIS: Each one has a different effect upon your physical form as well as your subjective self. Now, we do not wish to take advantage of Joseph’s vocal chords.

MARK: Oh, go for it! (Laughter)

KRIS: Do you have any other questions.

JIM: This is Jericho. I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

JIM: Our last meeting together you talked about the Tibetan singing bowls and I was beginning to acquire them and have acquired them talking about sound here, I was wondering if you could some insights into perhaps utilizing these sounds, the ones you gave us tonight and the one’s that you gave me for the gateway and incorporating the singing bowls as well.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, how many bowls do you have?

JIM: Four.

KRIS: Do you add any liquids to them?

JIM: I haven’t yet. I just read about that the other day, adding water to create different tones and sounds.

KRIS: Indeed. Experiment, each with different levels and keep track. Say, in one bowl you put one inch, another bowl you put two inches, another bowl three and another bowl four, from the smallest at one inch to the biggest at four inches. Correct?

JIM: Yes.

KRIS: Then try the inverse, the smaller bowl with the most water and see what kinds of sounds that extract from them. Play with various levels of water. Pay specific attention to the hemispheres of the brain when you extract the sounds from the bowls. If at all possible make recordings. When you find specific combinations that bring about a high state within your mind, say more than others, then use the recording to play it back and meditate specifically on the quality of the sound and your interaction with it and see where that takes you AND be ready to go anywhere that is.

JIM: Okay.

JO: I have heard of doing bowls before but not like that. (Laughter).

JIM: And one more. We spoke too about animal communication and I spoke to my horse and he offered the tone, the sound of “NOYA” and it sounded a lot like some of the expressions that you offered here just moments ago. Would that be a correct interpretation of what he may have offered me?

KRIS: Please repeat.

JIM: Repeat the question?

KRIS: Indeed.

JIM: The sound that my horse offered me from our last talk as well was “NOYA”, I believe and creating that sound and creating communication with these creatures. Would that be a correct interpretation of that?

KRIS: We believe that is good.

JIM: Thank you.

KRIS: Now then, we believe that your metaphysical core for this evening has been quite a journey, therefore we will return Joseph to you and perhaps you can continue to discuss amongst yourself, for as Philip and Joseph are fond of saying; “You never know when we will turn up again”.

(Laughter)

Or for that matter, WHERE.

CASTAIC GROUP: Thank you Kris.

9:23 PM. Session Ends

¹NOTE: After reading this session, I got the very strong impression from Kris that his whole sentence on this was not completed, almost like perhaps I inadvertently dropped off bits of it in the translation to the session. This was a very condensed session, very much packed, and likely a little ‘bit’ fell through the crack in the inner translation process.

As to svaha, I believe the full sentence in this regard should have been something like: “There is a sanskrit word, svaha, also used by the Ojibway Native American people with a specific meaning related to the word Bardo in Tibetan, that has almost the same meaning, though used in a sligtly different context that can still apply here”. Or something to that effect at least.

However, I also got just now from Kris that “though the surface use of the word ‘svaha’ in sanskrit is related to the god Agni’s wife (the goddess Svaha), it also has an deeper or internal meaning in regards to what is called vedic fire sacrifice ceremonies (fire jagya) (not to worry – no one is sacrificed – rather an ceremony to give thanks for plentyful harvests to the god Vishnu by throwing fruits and seeds into a sacred fire accompanied by the recitation of mantras), having to do with specific intermediates in the peformance and function of the sacred chants as well.

In sankrits sacred chants, the pauses or intervals or intermediates (or withholding release of air) are as important as the words used in the chants (where there is release of air).

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