Nature of Being

September 27, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marisa Crosset (Aurora)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, September 27, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

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Roll Call: Alex (Darrollid), Mark (Philip), Serge (Joseph), Sheila, Marisa (Aurora) and Eric (Sheldomar)

Session starts at 7:46 PM.

KRIS: So we are glad to see all of you here, as well as glad to hear our friends from far away. We hope that you are comfortable at your end of the communications deal?

MARISA: Yes

KRIS: We understand that Aurora is present and the unnamed entity of the other phone is also present.

ERIC: Yes, that is correct.

KRIS: Indeed. Then to make certain that you are properly honored and recognized, we will give you a pretty name if that is alright with you?

ERIC: That sounds great!

KRIS: Very well. We will call you Sheldomar. You can spell that S.H.E.L.D.O.M.A.R, it is meant to be a beautiful name that you can USE to sing yourself into the validity of your being. Do you follow?

ERIC: Yes, I do. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed.

Now then, this evening we would like to continue some talk into soundlets and into the “Nature of YOUR Being”. As we have described already, soundlets are what composes and lays the foundation of one, the concept of sound as you understand it in this reality and in relation to the CREATION of your reality. Soundlets are also composite elements found within the cordellas which are the psychological alphabet of consciousness which give rise, in your reality, to words and so much more. At all levels, in all cultures, you simply infiltrate and transform these concepts into various grammars and syntax found in all cultures on your planet. These soundlets also carry with them various impressions from other areas of consciousness. They are also found in and can simultaneously transfer that information because soundlets occupy many spaces and times simultaneously. Since they are also a species of units of consciousness, then the factors inherent within units of consciousness function within soundlets as well.

As we described a short while back, soundlets also create sound that is not necessarily transformed into what your inner ear and eardrum translate into what you now call sound. These are the by-products, and the intonations we gave some time back are merely an approximation of that raw concept that exists over and above and beyond your interpretation of sound values.

Since your psychological perceptions actually also block out what you do not understand as sound values, this can lead indirectly into an interesting definition of selfhood. You are accustomed to thinking, for example, that your self may be what you see in the mirror reflected back to the rods and cones in your eyes through the looking glass (mirror). You identify with the cellular structure because it too resonates to a specific sound value, and these can be scientifically measured, that the whole of your physical form has a specific range of sound values. And even specific cellular compositions within the body, such as the various organs, will also have specific ranges of sound values, and all of these function much like a symphony with the various sections harmoniously producing a beautiful composition that you then determine to be your body. But that is not necessarily whom and what you are as your studies have already led you to observe.

You also understand that you might be something different from the body that you identify with as energy. What is energy? How do you define energy? Since your physical form is also a type of energy, where does that leave you? Since you identify with your physical body and you also have come to reason you are something different from the physical form — that you are energy — but what is energy? (Pause)

You have come to a point of understanding that you are awareness of self over and above the physical form. That includes the physical form, and this also carries into a certain measurement of specific sound values. Your own perception, your own consciousness, your own awareness of self also gives a certain range of sound values, and your conception of selfhood is at a stage where you feel that you are on a threshold — at the edge of something — a comprehension — that is larger than your preconceived notions of selfhood and all of the books in the world, all of the so-called scriptures and sacred writings also give you various hints that SELF is more than the physical form that you have.

The unfortunate Associations [religious] try to lead you to believe that your physical body or form must be something inferior, something to be shunned or overcome or purified so that you can attain an apparently larger understanding of your selfhood, which causes additional problems because in all comprehension you are simultaneously the body and not the body. This should be clearly understood — that you create your body and that simultaneously — that creator of the body, you are something else — that it is an extension of whom and what you are. And you are accustomed to thinking that if you are not the physical body then surely you must be not-body. Therefore, you think you do not have form and that can cause additional problems because you understand yourself to be a person, an individual, and when you surmise that you are not-body, therefore, not form, it becomes a struggle.

We wish to INTRODUCE the idea that not only do you still have a form even if you’re not only your physical body. We have beforehand spoken about the gateway system which, at one level, is called the chakras. Those are spinning wheels of energies that enable you to function. Again, the idea of energy is rather ambiguous. Our perception, from our end of the spectrum, is that you have many bodies, and EACH of your several bodies actually generates the reality necessary for THAT body to function and to have interactions in. Your physical body, the one that you know, that you have grown up with and that you identify with, is itself a symbolic amalgamation of several bodies related to each of your physical senses. They say that you have five senses. That would immediately imply that your physical body itself is composed of five bodies.

Now it is said that you also have other senses: inner senses. Each one of these involves a specific body, and these are all tied into the gateway system we have presented. In the gateway system, we have described fourteen gateways. That means that you function through the auspices of fourteen bodies. They’re not all necessarily physical, but you have a difficult enough time taking care of the one simple image of the body that you have, though some have succeeded in walking and chewing gum at the same time. (Laughter)

Over and above these fourteen gateways or bodies of consciousness, you have yet other bodies. Now we are skipping into the realm of essence AND HERE WE WISH TO BE VERY CLEAR: each of the expressions of your essence represents another body of yours — each with its own fourteen divisions. You do not have, at this point, merely one body that allows you to interact with other individuals, but you have a multitude of bodies that allows you to interact with many other individuals, including in other time-space continuums. Do you follow so far?

Now if certainly, if all of these bodies together decide to have a headache, you need a large bottle of aspirin! (Laughter) We are trying to give you what you would probably call the METAPHYSICAL BODY. Thus your essence being partially composed of all of these expressions is itself another form of who and what you are. If you have wrapped your brains around this one, we certainly applaud you! What we are saying then is that you may very well be essence, but that is one other thing that you are. YOU ARE MORE THAN THAT AS WELL. And we realize this will also be what Joseph can only see as controversial because he is not much one for stirring the pot, but we might be. (Laughter) We have a big multidimensional ladle to stir many stews. (Laughter)

So here is a type of deal, as you’d say. So far you have understood yourselves to be focus personality that is an expression of essence, but so far the lines have been drawn at that MOMENT, and we do mean MOMENT, of essence, that you are essence, that you are nothing more. But our perception is that essence is one other thing that you are and we do not mean “thing” in a demeaning manner, for it is not definitive — defined in the same manner as an object is defined as a thing. But it is a conceptualization. What else could you be? (Emphatic Pause)

Our perception is that your essence body is part of something else. And that is why we have started to bring about this material of other clusters of consciousness to lay a foundation. Hence, at one level, you are one focus of many and to essence you are many focuses. Simultaneously you are one of many essences, which mean that your abilities and capabilities, potentials for expression are taken to another level altogether: that essence self or essence body that you are IS NOT THE END OF THE LINE.

This is the dimensions we spoke about briefly during that walk where we made mention of this missing dimensions and, by all means, this is DEFINITELY not the end product. This will take time to develop. But it is something that you are unaccustomed to. But, indeed, you are multidimensional — multidimensional essence beings and because the English language has so many failings, this is the best we can do with the words at this time. The only approximation that we have is that these bodies that we have briefly touched upon are DIFFERENT DEGREES OF DIFFERENTIATION that involve sensory perception mechanisms of one type or another, whether it is the physical senses, inner senses, essence senses. As your awareness and consciousness moves through these varying degrees of differentiation, you actually move into a space of NON-DIFFERENTIATION where eventually there is no separation between self and perceptions of self and objects [that] self apparently perceives. Where self, in Sanskrit, is called Ishwara (pronounced Ishvara) which is rendered into the word God which we have described as All-That-Which-Is.

MARK: That-Which-Is-All

KRIS: Indeed.

Therefore, your perceptions of selfhood are literally infinite and it is a good thing we believe that not all of these selves spend on your Visa card! (Laughter) The word ‘universal bill’ would certainly apply! (Laughter)

Do you have questions on this at this time?

SHEILA: Kris, as you were speaking, I was getting the impression of these little Russian dolls that fit inside each other. Then, at a certain point, they became transparent and they were moving in and out of one another. Is that something along the lines of what you are talking about?

KRIS: That is a good visual. Now imagine that each singular Russian doll has its own set of nested dolls. And each such nested doll has its own set of nested dolls. There comes a point in time and space where you enter a state of non-differentiation where the nested dolls are not seen as separate extensions of self, but as the whole thing or, at least, partial expressions of the whole self. One doll precludes ALL dolls and ALL dolls make one doll.

And you are constantly moving between these stages of differentiation and non-differentiation depending upon the particular bodies of beliefs that you focus upon and utilize at any given moment point. Depending, again, on the experience you wish to draw from your adventures. This is as simple as we can possibly describe. The concept of a universal form or a universal body that includes your self, all expressions of your self, over and above and including essence as another expression of your self.

Now, if we have you thoroughly confused, we ask again if you have any other questions.

ALEX: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: Is THIS the end of the line?

KRIS: Indeed not. (Laughter)

MARK: (Humorously) Is there an end of the line?

KRIS: That is because you are still trying to interpret this in linear terms. This is a state of differentiation.

ALEX: The visual I get is when you go for an eye test and there are all the numbers all over the place and they say, “Tell me when everything comes into focus, so you see the one letter so that it is clear.” That is the visual I get. Does that make sense to you? Is that accurate?

KRIS: That gives you an idea of how, by focusing, you bring something into clarity. And as you unfocus, then you see all of the letters. In a manner of speaking then, your present focus, that point of being in time and space, IS THE RESULT OF A GREAT EFFORT IN CONCENTRATION TO THE EXCLUSION OF ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS OF SELFHOOD. But the difficulty comes when individuals catch a glimpse of this greater self and become afraid that their singular self will be swallowed and they will lose their identity. That you can never lose, that precious identity, for it is part of an integral process and therefore, will never be lost, but will make up and add to the validity of the whole self.

Now that we have thoroughly scrambled Joseph’s brain waves, we will call a small break.

First break starts 8:18 PM.

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(Transcriber’s notes: During break, conversation ensued regarding the fear, confusion or distress one MIGHT experience when first encountering their larger self.)

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Kris returns at 8:21 PM.

KRIS: Now then, when you sense a fear of losing identity, you can be assured that this is a direct communication from ego that is worried that somehow or other it might not have a usefulness in this great scheme or tapestry, but let us put it to you another way. Pretend, for a moment, that you are in a dream, and, in this dream, you find yourself looking at a castle — a big, large castle — and you enter this castle knowing that it contains many, many rooms. Perhaps even so many rooms, it might take years to go through all of them and to see all of their contents. And in a moment of confusion, you might think that inventorizing (inventorying) this castle, that is beyond you, but then this is a dream, is it not?

And in this dream, you suddenly develop an interest to examine only one room at a time. And as you go about your investigation, you take the time to enjoy the items that you discover in one room. And from that one room, you go about to another, enjoying all of what you discover there. And, after a while, you understand that you do not have to investigate each and every room right in this moment. You will move on to another room when the time is right. And you know, then, that this castle is made up of many, many rooms. And, in fact, it may have more rooms then would appear from the outside. It may even be bigger on the inside then it appears on the outside — as any dream worth its salt would be.

And rummaging through these various rooms, you may even find that the rooms themselves lead into other castles because it is a dream after all. And as you develop an understanding of the flavor and the taste and the texture and all the contents of this dream castle, you become assured that certainly the task of exploration is not beyond you, but it is what you are made for. YOU ARE A DREAM EXPLORER.

If you utilize a similar analogy to the whole self, you can entertain that the whole self is like this dream castle. It has rooms within rooms, each of these rooms ARE other expressions of you. They may contain different historical artifacts representing different lifetimes, and from within certain rooms, you may be led to other castles, other expressions, and STILL this would not completely define all of what you are. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes, much better.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you out in telephone land?

MARISA & ERIC: Yes.

KRIS: To put it this way as well, there are four individuals in this room in Toronto. Each one of those may very well represent another self of yours. And, certainly, by that you would not feel threatened, correct?

MARISA: No.

KRIS: And for the four individuals in this room, you may as well represent other aspects of their selves. That is no threat because certainly they can simply hand the phone up. (Laughter) Now you may have a slightly more comfortable understanding of this large concept.

Does that make some sense to you?

MARISA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

Now, far be it for us to be on time then not give sufficiently more brain twisters. Therefore we will return you to a quasi-break.

Break resumes at 8:27 PM.

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Kris returns at 8:34 PM.

KRIS: Now, we hope that we have not blown any fuses in your precious brains. This will trigger investigations on your parts into the sensed meaning of the word, or even meanings of these words and what appears as, ever so slightly ethereal, etheric, in your awareness. We lead you to discover your own interpretation of this information. As you do so, you will move through varying degrees from differentiation into non-differentiation and through each such process, we suggest that you notice how your sense of self and awareness responds to the movement. How sense of self and awareness reacts to and interacts with particular space and time coordinates.

For as you move through these varying degrees — and this is not a linear movement from point one to three and four and so on — or point A, B and C — but you do constantly and consistently move through these degrees and NOT ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. Neither is your physical form ever to be considered inferior or less spiritual, unless of course, you are extremely naïve and wish to stay there, for your physical form is made up of consciousness itself. It is as much a part of what you would consider the Divine as anything else. It is also the product of what you believe about yourselves.

As you move through these varying degrees you are literally engaged in the action of moving through the various dimensions, various times and spaces and each one of these degrees may very well encompass a specific body of awareness. You are composed, literally of a multitude of dimensions, ALL AT ONCE. It is the degree where you differentiate and don’t differentiate, the ACTION is very important to notice, how you move through these actions, differentiation and non-differentiation.

As you go through these steps, you will notice that even as essence you are that much more and we do understand that there may be some choking on this, but pay attention, notice, even from the stand point of essence you will notice that this is ANOTHER form of yours, ANOTHER one of your bodies, the essence body. That is your essence body. What else are you? Does that make sense?

ERIC: Yes.

KRIS: So then, we will allow you to ask questions of your choosing on this or any topic, being the kindly old ghost that we are. (Laughter).

(Pause)

MARK: You guys? (Referring to Eric and Marisa)

(Pause)

KRIS: Now surely we do not leave anyone speechless.

MARK: I have a comment. When you were talking, describing that, especially when you said that you will come to your own interpretations, suddenly I became aware that yes, I have ONE interpretation as does everyone else on this planet, in all times, in all places and each one is valid and “That Which Is All”, simultaneously sees and perceives every single answer and that is what makes “That Which Is All” That Which Is All. It helps me understand the validity of each person and when I looked at me and then looked across the room at Sheila and then at Alex, I suddenly realized that we are all valid, therefore there really is no differentiation.

It’s like a super computer that can truly multi-task trying to come up with every logical answer to every dilemma and simultaneously going about each one as if it was an individual question or problem. It is still one computer with one program.

KRIS: That is a LINEAR directed interpretation, but it can still help you understand.

SHEILA: I guess my question is what is the purpose of my own role in this, the ultimate purpose of that?

KRIS: This knowledge can help you understand that, first of all, there is much more to the individual that says “I create my reality”. It helps you understand that the ‘I’ in I create my reality, is a multi-verse in itself. The individual that creates my reality is NOT at the mercy of any specific event or condition or circumstance and since that individual is deeply imbedded, IMBEDDED in awareness, then indeed, I as the creator of my reality am truly not ever bereft of tools and resources to make any change that is practical in my reality, and that is a most watered down comprehension.

When you can grasp that as this multidimensional personality structure that you can draw to yourself tools and resources from a wide range of realities even, then it will put any of your physical challenges into perspective, IMMEDIATELY and it’ll help you go beyond the state of differentiation where as the challenge is not my reality, but instead it is part of MY process and MY tools are infinite, MY resources are infinite, MY capabilities are infinite and I am calling upon my infinite self, my Ishvara self for all of the tools necessary, for I am more than the simple point of ego construction that is struggling.

Again this is at a very simple level. Other than that, it can also help you understand that the ideas of your universe, the very ideas of what reality IS, do not come from outside of self, but ARE an extension of all of the energy constructions, the idea constructions within your awareness, which in itself is infinite. So, how can any one singular individual claim that they are a victim of events and circumstances when they have so much potential? Does that make some sense to you?

SHEILA: Very much so.

KRIS: And if one self experiences a specific challenge, then it means that there is another self or many other selves that have already resolved the challenge and they have the tools and the resources to assist ME to take care of MY small challenge.

ALEX: Why does one mean the other? Why does, as you said, if you have a challenge then another self has already solved that?

KRIS: Because you SPONTANEOUSLY generate ALL of the possible variations on the theme, as easily as the bee makes honey or as the fish swim or do other things in the water.

ALEX: Does every problem we have already have a solution and all we have to do is to tap into that?

KRIS: The only thing that prevents ANYONE from gathering the resources and tools necessary to resolve the challenge is the belief that you are entirely differentiated from self, that you are as nothing. THAT is FAR scarier than thinking that your little self will be swallowed by your big self. Do you understand?

MARISA: Now did you just say that all you have to do is to tap into it?

KRIS: That is a simplified version. You can use other tools of the imagination, of visualization, of dreaming, of pretending, of enacting the self that already has the solutions and so many other items, as well as other tools. For instance, so many individuals do not realize that they hypnotize themselves on a daily basis to believe that there are so many challenges before them that they are completely ineffective as an individual. Do you follow?

SHEILA: Yes, I’ve done that.

KRIS: The tools are the mind in that capacity, it becomes easier to understand simultaneously, that if you create a challenge for the self, you SIMULTANEOUSLY create ALL of the possible solutions, but through the auspices of your beliefs IN your ineffectiveness and your powerlessness, you create games of hide and seek. “I created the solutions but I forgot where I put them!” (Laughter)

“I forgot which reality I put my solution in!” This is tied into your old belief structures, so by enlarging the scope of your belief structures to INCLUDE that you also have simultaneously created the solutions to your dilemmas, they do not over power you, but you maintain the seat of power. Do you follow?

So, we are giving you a crash course, in an education that is more than kindergarten (level) about creating your own reality.

Do you have another question?

(Alex laughs.)

Or do you dare? (Laughter)

ALEX: So, now in order to manifest and find the solution to our problem, we have to touch base with that portion of our self that has the solution, so to do that, do we do that through meditation, through dreams?

KRIS: you have to understand that because you use syntax, you immediately set up barriers and possibilities in the very words themselves. “Manifest” means that it is not available to you. It might be, but it might not be. Instead of wishing to manifest solutions, already understand that they are simultaneously available to you. It is a matter of how you are going to ALLOW your hold on your problem to stay OR go.

Do you believe you are overwhelmed by your life’s challenges or do you believe that these challenges are MERELY the result of thought constructions and what you call beliefs?

ALEX: It has changed! (Laughter)

KRIS: If you look at two train tracks, you can stay on one track with the train coming at you or you can jump onto another track that does not have a train coming at you. (Laughter) Which would you prefer? So by literally switching over the track where you do not have to fight against yourself or your beliefs, but understand that on this track the solution is already available to me and it WILL be there when I need it instead of forcing it to manifest, but it already exists so by stepping into that track. That means you let worry get hit by the train, but YOU jump the track.

Worry is simply an interpretation of beliefs in a non-effective life purpose, to one degree or another and there are very many individuals on your world that have made worry into a high art form.

(Eric laughs)

MARISA: Hey! I take that personally.

KRIS: Indeed then, you are a great Picasso of worry. (Laughter) You have already surmised that worrying does one thing alone, it makes MORE worry.

MARISA: No kidding!

KRIS: However, by understanding that worry does little more than creating more of itself, you can switch tracks so to speak. Instead of worrying about worrying, you may simply turn your mind to those activities that you enjoy, that tap into Joy, Balance and Harmony. Set your minds to those coordinates to bring about a state of non-differentiation with the solutions to your dilemmas. A state of non-differentiation means that you are separated, yourself from your environment, from your emotions, from your challenges. Do you understand?

(Pause)

Aurora?

MARISA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. When you use this information, move through stages of differentiation and non-differentiation, you will also recognize that in a non-differentiated state, the solutions exist within you NOW, not tomorrow, NOW. They will be made physical, but it is the NOW that is important. Not worrying NOW about tomorrow will result in resolving the issue NOW, resolving the issue at least at the level of the mind which is, in so many words, the cradle of your existence. Do you understand?

MARISA: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed, therefore become a greater Picasso. Does that make sense to you?

MARISA: Yes.

KRIS: Do you have other questions? (Pause) Then what is the time?

MARK: 8:56

KRIS: Indeed, since there are no questions then we will non-differentially move into another space and leave you to enjoy the beautiful process of your reality creation process and may all of your lovely selves forever understand that you are forever and we wish you many types of pleasant dreams in many in many castles.

MARK: 8:57 and Kris hops into the Vimana.

(8:57 Session does not end.)

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(Transcriber’s notes: During this break we discussed the role of imagination in our lives and experiences. It was also noted that, as we grow older into adulthood, we seem to lose our ability to utilize our imagination.)

Kris returns at 9:02 PM.

KRIS: Now then, we tricked you (laughter) you are such lovely selves, we could not stay away.

Your point about imagination and children is well taken. Children do not worry, whether if they play doctor, post office, judge, policeman, fireman, soldier that they will lose their identity. And they do not worry that life will fall apart if they do not worry. That is what you do as adults.

And the point is well taken that as you grew up, you lost that ability. It is not that you have lost it, but you have come to distrust it. You think that if you maintain these childlike perceptions that your whole life and possibly the whole world will go to hell in a hand basket right away! You must hold the world together with worry. Does that not adequately describe the state of adulthood?

That is what causes you stress. It is not work, it is not driving, it is not anything else, but how much worry you can cram into nine to five and then from five to nine. That is your stress. That is your illness. That is your sense of loss and differentiation from Source. You worry. It is an unfortunate psychological illness and one often difficult to get over. And unfortunately for you, there is no over-the-counter or prescription medication for this. Mind you, you can get a prescription that will numb your brain. That will not solve the issue.

It is a matter of recognizing that as an eternal, immortal awareness, all of what is entertained in your consciousness — all of what is the focus of your concentration — becomes for you the experience of the moment. So when you worry, you experience worrisome things. When you do not worry, you experience enjoyable things. The focus then has to be on joy and enjoyable moments.

Children do not worry about where food comes from. At least not in your North American culture, for the most part. Children do not worry about being loved, and we realize this is a generalized statement. But look towards your children and any children anywhere, and you will notice that they have an understanding of existence quite different from yours. They have not yet learned about worrying. They know about the moment. (Pause)

(Transcriber’s notes: While Kris is speaking, Marisa and Eric’s son Zachary, age five, comes into the dining room where they are listening to the session via phone. Zachary is driving his Scooby Doo van all over the room. It is extremely loud. Everyone is trying to keep a straight face while this is going on and listen to Kris’ words.)

Take a lesson from children and learn to set aside your worries. That means play — PLAY AT LIFE! Does that make sense to you?

(At this point, everyone in Toronto and Marisa and Eric burst into laughter. Kris sits with a knowing grin on his face.)

ZACHARY: Stop laughing at me!

MARISA & ERIC: We’re not laughing at you!

MARK: (Humorously to Zachary, although Zach can’t hear this!) Don’t worry!

ALEX: How apropos!

(Now, Zachary insists that he must park the van in the dining room and ONLY in the dining room. Marisa asks him if he would mind parking it elsewhere. He begins to complain.)

MARISA: I think that’s our cue that they’re getting sick of us being on the phone.

KRIS: Indeed. They want your attention.

Now then, we will leave you to enjoy your childlike, beautiful selves and enjoy the journey of the child.

Session ends 9:09 PM.

Vedic Civilization Walk with Kris

September 21, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Tuesday, September 21, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

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This was an evening walk with Mark (Philip).

KRIS: Now are there other subjects that you would like to explore?

MARK: Well obviously I would like clarification on my comments last night and today on the website on the topic of “Tiles” and “The Sisters of Consciousness”. You said they (my comments) were valid. Of course when I called them tiles it was a comparison. They are not physical tiles. Maybe you could clarify and expand upon that.

KRIS: In actuality they can be physical tiles though they would not necessarily, as you pointed out, adorn the bathroom or the kitchen but they are specific physical designs that have been created with the capacity to transmit volumes of knowledge and not necessarily ‘book-like knowledge’ but living knowledge, knowledge that is constructed from the emotional and perceptive experiences of individuals.

In other words they are the conceptualizations of vast amounts of living information in the same manner that your physical form is a conceptualization at one level of all of the experiences that compose its ‘relationship’ to its life and still there is more, for it is an expression of, the essence of that focus personality. And as such even the focus personality is itself an expression of concepts that at this point in time outstrips your basic ideas of what a concept may or may not be.

You hardly can grasp the depth of the concept of essence though you have been able to acquire a flavor of it, but still behind essence there are yet other concepts. You term it “All That Is” but there are steps in between that you have missed, larger multi (pause)…In the Voyager series (Star Trek) what is the name given?…We believe ‘multi-phasic shielding’ which constantly changes, we would have to say that there are stages that have been missed between the concepts between essence and All that Is and it is easy enough to understand because the concepts of essence and the concept of All That Is have sufficiently turned many heads and surprised individuals who could barely imagine that there were concepts beyond biblical ones.

There is you and that there is a God that could smite you if you do not love it. It has nothing to do with love. It is subserviency. It is a type of (pause)…it is a sycophant based relationship, unhealthy in every respect of the word.

Now, there are still layers of relationships between Essence and All That Is, though Essence is embedded within “That Which Is All”. There is a slight difference we wish to bring about. That includes still other layers of psychological undiscovered continents of selfhood. The idea that there is you the focus personality then Essence and All That Is, is still based upon an old adage that is found in old worldly scriptures, most specifically those from the Judeo Christian Foundations. There is still much room for expansion and understanding and there will be some questions and resistances to this for it is understood that there can only be you, Essence and All That Is; but we are pointing out that this is still an over simplified representation taken from these old customs and there is more here than meets the eye, there is so much more that can be discovered.

“That Which Is All” is certainly a fine notion to behold but what exactly is “That Which Is ‘All’”? Simply changing those three words around making it a forth, That Which Is All, adds an ingredient that leads to pondering, leads to questioning and that leads to other discoveries. Does that make some sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: In many respects this is some or one of the reasons why we have introduced some things that Joseph considers controversial, but this also occasions him to question and to dig deeper for answers which allows him to be open to answers that come from deeper within the self, otherwise he would not have ventured in that area and not allowed us to venture into that area as well.

(Pause as we pass some children and cross the street)

Do you have questions so far?

MARK: No.

KRIS: Now of course, people who read this will want to know what is there but unfortunately they will have to be patient, as will Joseph.

MARK: And Philip (laughing). I found that this Monday’s, yesterday’s talk was enlightening, very beautifully put analogies that give us that very different perspective.

KRIS: It is imagery created specifically to induce a type of altered state. It is metaphorical but metaphors are meant for a specific purpose. They are in a certain manner ‘Verbal Tiles’. They convey, deliver information that you do not immediately see or hear or understand until it opens specific areas of the so called unconscious mind. What it specifically does is makes you aware of portions of the mind, of self that you did not notice before but was there all along as have the (9) Sisters been there all along.

We will now no longer refer to them specifically as the Nine or the Ten Sisters though the word may occasionally crop up but in ancient Sanskrit literatures they are identified as Dakinis and they are not the mythological beings, the metaphorical beings but instead [are] camouflaged aspects of the self. They are found as we have described them within human nature but they are not limited to the focus personalities. They are also found in their heroic models; they are super models within essence otherwise they would not appear within the focus personality and its psychological make up. Does this make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Now we have said sometime back that many of the Speaker manuscripts and information are hidden, camouflaged and delivered in much of the Vedic literature even though it has been transformed over thousands of years and camouflaged with religious iconography and symbolism, as it should be. In that manner the human mind is still drawn to them but has to awaken. So hopefully part of our work will see that some of these ancient Speaker ideas and concepts can perhaps make themselves known.

MARK: Is there…or what is there that I can read to learn up to …to get into the Vedic religion or background?

KRIS: There is much confusing literature. Many different groups claim to have the proper interpretation. May scholars who have translated some of these ancient writings have done so but with an extreme biased position, sometimes to show that the remnants of the Vedic culture living in India are themselves perhaps slightly better than apes since they were not cultured in Victorian England. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And unfortunately many Hindus actually believed this, thinking the best is to turn their backs on their own heritage and consider that their past is little more than savagery since they did not worship the Christian God. So there indeed was a type of psychological genocide.

Thus literature at best should be that which is translated by some of the more recent academics whom are able themselves to give a better translation.

MARK: Do you think these books are actually up my alley, that they would interest me?

KRIS: It will be perhaps difficult for it is nothing like what you have read in the Stephen Hawking books, however there are also translations of some of the knowledge explored by the ancient Vedics which explores higher forms of mathematics, higher forms of health and medicinal systems and many others, architecture for example and though there will be still many references to Hindu Gods and Goddesses, it can be easy to wade through that matter.

MARK: Where should I look for these?

KRIS: Perhaps by looking on the internet for institutes that teach some of the ancient Sanskrit writings that are not religiously affiliated either with international societies or Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) or other kinds of religious cults from within that culture, because they always bring the focus back to the worship and the religious aspects but you might definitely be able to find some of these colleges and institutes that teach Sanskrit that can provide you with some degree of literature over and above the religious kind.

(Sirens in the background getting louder).

MARK: Let’s go this way. (In an attempt to find a quieter side street).

KRIS: You may also ask Joseph for some assistance.

MARK: Of course.

(Sirens keep getting louder and other people’s conversations are also heard)

KRIS: He has maintained an interest in these subjects from an early age. (Pause – sirens are getting louder and more numerous.)

May we suggest a small break

(New Audio File: 2 Vimanas Sept 21 2004 walk.wav)

KRIS: Prior to the last major ice age there was indeed a global culture and it was not Atlantis and many offshoots of this culture had established themselves in different parts of the world including the Americas, the Antarctic, Eurasia, on both sides of the Euphrates, Iraq included, Babylon and Syria and Egypt with a central point being India.

This was the second stage of the Vedic culture. It had three stages. In fact, we could say these three physical stages are the end stages as there are other stages as well, briefly explained in levels four, five and six. They are, as we had hinted at yesterday, embedded civilizations of consciousness. They are groups of selves and in those levels we participated in its original concept which eventually flowed out in many realities including this one which you now have as the ancient Vedic culture, thinking that it at best is three or four thousand years old but it is much older.

What surfaced after the last ice age was a completely disorganized population or remnants thereof, many having completely forgotten, not only their roots but their entire spiritual selves. Thus, in some portions of the world there were cultures that had not been as drastically affected and upon the retreat of the ice caps, were able to go out and find isolated groups of humans and some of these groups took these more educated and advanced beings to be gods such as happened in the Mayan culture and many others as well.

And no they were not members of the lost tribe of Israel who came to the American continents. Now, the knowledge that was retained and that still existed from the second stage of the Vedic civilization had to be cast in religious dress and dogma because many of the survivors would not have understood anything much else or much anything else, having reverted to almost a pre-pubescence psychological stage that you or your anthropologists refer to as caveman and apeman which has nothing to do with humans, and carefully instructed these survivors in some of the uses of the implements, instruments and knowledge of their ancestors and often what the survivors could not understand was tossed or submerged in deep religious terms so as to almost loose all of its original understanding.

There was knowledge of hydrogen. There was knowledge of the atomic structure. There was knowledge of DNA structures, knowledge of surgical procedures that even today might be comprehended and there are examples of this in many different cultures still.

For example, in the Americas there is evidence on skulls of brain surgery performed with the obvious survival of the patient but there were no known surgical tools as you have today and still Obsidian blades are sharper than the best surgical steel scalpels that you have today and over these thousands of years, they do not rust.

Dentistry was quite developed, and there is evidence of travel on a global scale that is evidenced in ancient tombs and is often not brought to light. For instance, very few people actually are told, though this is not new knowledge, but very few people are told that cranberries have been found, blueberries have been found in tombs of ancient Egyptian rulers, as well as tobacco leaves, as well as eucalyptus oils used in the embalming processes and there is truly only one place on your planet that eucalyptus oils come from and that is Australia and that is not part of any of the discussions in any high school books or history books because obviously the ancients were too stupid to even navigate across a river, let alone navigate across entire oceans to reach other continents and yet there is evidence of traffic in these lands. So many questions are not answered, in fact, many questions themselves are suppressed.

Do you have any questions… that are not suppressed?

MARK: (Laughing) No. (Pause) It is very fascinating though.

KRIS: Ancient astronomers, even much before the Greeks and do keep in mind that the Romans were not the only ones that plagiarized other cultures, the Greeks also did from the Egyptians, as well as from the Hindus in India, of course giving it their particular Greek spin. Many of the mathematics that Pythagoras explored can be found in ancient Vedic and Indian writings.

Ancient astronomy was of a totally different order as evidenced by the ancient Incas and Mayas and quite specifically and particularly the ancient Vedic writings with knowledge of other planetary systems because in the second wave of the Vedic culture and even for a while at the early stages of the third wave they had machines that enabled them to fly.

They were called Vimanas and as we explained to Kwaa’Ji (Ellen) they were of three orders, each order requiring a specific fuel. The most fascinating of all is the one that enabled interplanetary and inter-dimensional travel. We have said that some time back that some of your ancestors took to the stars. Some also took to other dimensions with the use of these machines, these being particularly fueled only with mental or psychic energy. Thus the Captain of the good ship was only trained in that function.

Many of these ancient tales have appeared over the last hundred and some years, in your world in the guise of science fiction. These Vimanas that could travel through space and other systems and other dimensions did so by a particular process of aligning the entire structure and the individuals within it to the frequency of the destination and by creating or recreating that same frequency, were able to literally (pause)…we are looking for another words besides “fold space”, it is far too science fictionish, but literally to bend the structures of light in space and provide for themselves a manifestation directly at the destination.

MARK: What would be the time frame? Seconds, minutes, days, months, years?

KRIS: It could take hours.

MARK: Even warp 9.9 doesn’t do that.

KRIS: But these hours are nothing compared to the distances because they understood the dynamics, basically of restructuring the matrix of time and space because time and space is a product of the psyche’s interaction with physical reality, physical reality being a construction of beliefs, the psyche interacting with those unique beliefs was able to fuel the changes necessary to bring the inhabitants of the travelers into another system altogether and unfortunately Joseph does not have an extended vocabulary in the areas necessary and Star Trek lingo is not sufficient.

MARK: What about if you look at The Next Generation episodes that included “the Traveler”, would that be?

KRIS: Indeed. That would be the closest because the Traveler used his own psyche and was able to (long pause as we pass a woman and children talking in a school yard), the episode of the Traveler would come the closest possible because there was a cooperative joining of the minds of all individuals on the vehicle.

MARK: Even the destination that they arrived at where the dimension or universe or where ever they were, where everything became manifested that you were thinking.

KRIS: That is the same as in your own dimension but you do not think that it exists. You think that it is fantasy science fiction, that your thoughts would manifest before you and you have NO idea of how true that concept is but you do not believe it therefore you do not see it. You only see what you believe. You do not believe what you see. There is a qualitative distinction to say that “I believe it once I see it” is a perversion but the truth would be is that “you see what you believe”, “You experience what you believe”!

So you do not in your reality experience extended psychic and psychological adventures because you believe it is madness but you do prefer to believe that there are good factions and bad factions that vie for your own soul and therefore you experience that.

Do you have questions?

MARK: So, the clip that I heard from Markus’ session about the future self on a different planet that would have been one of these destination planets?

KRIS: Not necessarily, we did say that this was a probable future, at least in your terms it would appear as future but for all intents and purposes, the past, the present and the future are part of one moment. Your neurological binding, the way that you hold to patterns causes you to be, how would be a nice word, psychologically constipated and sometimes psychologically anally retentive. (Mark roaring in laughter) All said of course with the highest regard for all individuals.

(Pause while Mark attempts to stop laughing).

Please continue.

MARK: So the Vimana, um okay, obviously those are very powerful beliefs.

KRIS: Their society encouraged and cultivated such beliefs. It is part of whom and what they were whilst your culture operates on a totally different grid…

MARK: It’s totally shunned.

KRIS: (Continuing) where all of these experiments are considered suspect at the most generous level.

MARK: And even those who do want to participate in this still have that in-rooted belief structures based on that, based upon the beliefs of the collective…

KRIS: Many of the great thinkers in your day have and had focuses in such times and still perceived a certain degree of communication at the unconscious level. Therefore, Einstein’s theories for instance, those he developed and those that he took from others, many of these can indeed be found in ancient Vedic texts but might be camouflaged in religious doctrines.

MARK: It makes one want to go learn Sanskrit.

KRIS: its original foundation of the Sanskrit language was a language of energy patterns and cordellas. At that time the language encapsulated entire concepts in a few words, much like verbal tiles. The few words, mostly chants, would communicate volumes of information to the listener and back again.

You have now, small hand held computing devices that within proximity of each other can exchange information via infra red signals. This is a rudimentary idea about tiles, if you needed such a rudimentary example.

MARK: Downloads, exchanges, uploads and downloads. In old modem speak the two modems would do a handshake.

KRIS: Now we suggest that this be the end of our walk conversation.

MARK: Okay, thank you.

(Session does not end here. Kris comes back in a very short while.)

(New Audio File: 3 Missing Dimension Sept 21 2004 walk.wav)

KRIS: For some of these ancient Vimanas, the journey to Chandra the moon was rather pleasant and short trip. It still might have taken a few hours but by your standards that is phenomenal.

Many of these ancient Hindu Gods for instance, were reinterpreted by other cultures who had contact with that culture. For instance, the Judeo Christian primal or primordial God of Jehovah is an interpretation of the Hindu God Indra. Both had a very similar tempestuous attitude and temperament requiring almost absolute obedience in all areas, even to the discharging of very similar punishments to those who were thought to disobey the Deity.

The Hindu God Brahma would have become what eventually developed in the Judeo Christian traditions of the Trinity. Brahma has four faces and since those four faces, facing the four directions of creation had no prior equivalent in the ancient Judaic traditions and they wanted a more simplistic approach, they simply turned it into a trinity.

That fourth dimension is the one that is missing in all of the cultures that have come after, based upon the Judeo Christian teachings. That fourth dimension is literally unknown in the western civilization because it has not been investigated and as such as in many situations and in many things, if you do not know about it why bother investigating it. Discard it entirely.

That fourth dimension of creation, if uncovered and explored can give your shift of consciousness a very different perspective and appeal and that is basically why the shift is engaged because individuals, consciously or unconsciously are recognizing that the dimensions that they have presently in their lives is sorely missing. There is an acknowledgement that there is something that is not there that should be there and THAT is the stages between focus, essence and All That Is, That Which Is All.

So the times ahead are most interesting and should lead to many questions.

Perhaps the subtleties might not be appreciated or they might be perceived. That may ring a chord with some and not with others but all in all it will certainly cause questions, which is necessary.

MARK: So what is the fourth face? (You can’t blame me for trying)

KRIS: That is the forth dimension of existence. You believe that there are only three dimensions to your physical existence. You may incorporate time as an additional one but that dimension of consciousness which is the source of your physical reality is what you need as a species to adopt, understand and develop.

That you are not the by-product of primordial slime but that matter is the by-product of consciousness and at that particular level there are no more subtleties but there are deep philosophical and scientific questions and because (pause due to background noise), because your species does not believe that consciousness comes first, you cannot request your sciences to even contemplate the question.

Even though the evidence might stare you in the face you would still pretend that you are born, you live and you die and that nothing else exists. Now we will let you ponder that.

(Session and walk ends)

Private Session for Markus from Germany (includes info on Saint Chrodoara)

September 21, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Markus
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday September 21, 2004.
© Copyright 2006 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: Now we are trusting that you are comfortable?

MARKUS: Absolutely.

KRIS: And we thank you for your kindness in requesting this conversation.

MARKUS: Well, I thank you for your kindness to offer this opportunity to me, being able to talk to you.

KRIS: Indeed then we also trust that you are ready for your adventure.

MARKUS: Absolutely. I’m absolutely looking forward to that.

KRIS: Now if you have any area of inquiry please proceed.

MARKUS: Actually I have a couple of questions — naturally — otherwise I wouldn’t call you (laughs). Err, I would like to start with some light things. One of the things I would like to hear from you is the same thing that people — and also me — have asked Elias in their sessions. It’s the belonging and alignment in regard to the families of consciousness. I’ve already got information about this from Elias but I understand from the sessions that I have read from you that you are using a slightly different system and I would like to hear your version of alignment and belonging in regard to these families of consciousness.

KRIS: Indeed. As you have already perceived, our perspective is slightly different … (Yes.) and as such we express that difference in this manner. Our perception of your root or belonging to is … Sumafi, Milumet and Tumold. And your alignment or affiliations of focus are Milumet, Vold and Sumari.

MARKUS: Okay. That makes a lot of sense I think.

KRIS: And since you already opened this door of opportunity then we would be happy to intone an essence from our perspective for you.

MARKUS: That would have been my next question anyway. (Note: In fact the essence was one of the reason why I had requested the session, because I was not all too happy with the essence name that I’ve got from Elias).

KRIS: Then the perception which we interpret for you is Laurimar … L-A-U-R-I-M-A-R.

MARKUS: That sounds nice.

KRIS: It is somewhat melodious.

MARKUS: Absolutely. I think I can relate to that. One of the points which I would like to use as sort of a launch point for further discussion … well, first maybe let me give you some background about me and my life here in this focus. About 20 years ago, when I was nineteen I came across my first book by Jane Roberts or Ruburt which was “Seth Speaks” and that book had really really hit home for me in a way that the Seth material has accompanied me ever since and has hugely been influencing me. And also I also have felt some great resonance with the personal issues that were described about Jane and also her own books like “The Dialogues of the Soul and Mortal Self in Time” and those book. And recently this year, about two or three months back, I became aware of the Elias material and have (now) read quite a number of his sessions and in that process I had become aware of your material on the Kris-Chronicles site and what was very amazing to me was that in reading the first few paragraphs, maybe the first few five or six paragraphs I felt a very very strong connection between what you write or more like the way you write and the way you express things … a similarity of your way of expressing things and the Seth material. And then I clicked on one of the links with short audio clips of one or two of your sessions and this sort of evoked a huge emotional signal from me … it was like, well, the best way to express that was a feeling of coming home after a long long time and I would like … err … or another bit of information: Elias has told me that I share a couple of focuses with Jane Roberts and his perception had also been that there is a counterpart action between me and Jane Roberts and I would like to have your impression as to how I — in this focus or even in essence — fit into the whole picture of this process of Serge channeling you and Jane channeling Seth and that kind of stuff.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, perhaps if next time that you speak during this conversation you might like to raise your voice slightly. We have heard everything that you said and this is fine. But we are simply wanting to make certain that Joseph’s recording is excellent.

MARKUS: Okay, I will try that. (Note: I was running a recording software here on my side that has the effect of lowering the sound level of my voice.)

KRIS: Now, there is within you quite an interest in spiritual and mystical exploration. Most likely helping you express that Milumet intent as well as others. In this you are correct that — as has been pointed out — when the old ghost Seth was a minor pope, that you held a certain office at that time. Do you understand?

(Note: What may be interesting to anybody who tries to validate things is that I had indeed heard from Elias that I had a connection with Seth when he was a pope — but note that I had not mentioned this detail specifically in the conversation with Kris so far.)

MARKUS: I’m not sure. Can you point it out in another way?

KRIS: When Seth was or had a focus of a minor pope (yes) you were associated.

MARKUS: Yes, I have gotten this information from Elias as well.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you also had another focus that was associated with Ruburt directly. (Okay.) And this was during Ruburt’s incarnation as Muslim warlord.

MARKUS: I have read about that.

KRIS: Sweeping into Christian dominated lands in the name of Allah.

MARKUS: Yes

KRIS: This has left particular strong impressions upon Ruburt’s psyche which only aggravated Ruburt’s sinful self. (Okay.) During that adventure you also participated in that great sweeping of human landscape. You were also filled with zeal and fervor for the word of Allah and his prophet Mohammed.

And during that time you enjoyed seeing the heads of infidels roll off the shoulders and stain the sands, believing that your course of action was entirely justified in the name of Allah. Do you follow?

MARKUS: Yes absolutely.

KRIS: This has also left a deep impression upon your own psyche, helping you come to terms with religious fervor and zealousness and even nowadays hearing about and meeting people who have this religious fervor not only turns you off, but may even give you some severe headaches.

MARKUS: That makes a lot of sense here, yes!

KRIS: Now we know you will not lose your head over this.

MARKUS: I hope so (laughs).

KRIS: This has still an echo of influence and it is well considered by your inner self. You also have two other connections of focuses. During a particular epoch of the roman church there was a time when there was a schism, a breaking apart of some section of the roman Vatican church and the king of France and three popes were in office at the same time. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: Now, names may escape (us), but you were instrumental in the bringing together through the offices of the holy Roman emperor those three rebel popes. And, one was beheaded, the other captivated and the third renounced the orders and was later killed. There was a period, for a short time, that the seat of the holy Roman church was vacant. An interim council governed at that time and you were partially involved along with others in seeking out a correct vision a path to choose the next representative of the head of the church. You may investigate the particular area of the three popes and find where you resonate with the information.

MARKUS: Okay, I will do that.

KRIS: You might find it insightful to delve into the nasty politics of church making.

MARKUS: Laughs. I guess I wasn’t quite a nice person then?!

KRIS: Not that you were not nice, but you did what was expected of you in your position.

MARKUS: Ah, I understand.

KRIS: This has nothing to do with being nice or not nice.

MARKUS: Yes sure, it’s a point-of-view thing.

KRIS: Indeed. The other final, actually not so final, the other man, individual, actually was a relationship with one of our own focuses.

MARKUS: With one of your focuses?

KRIS: Indeed. At near the end of the dark ages, when the Irish Christian Coptic Church was recognized as the only repository of education and knowledge in Europe at that time, where the Christian doctrine was far more liberal and far more Gnostic in essence than the roman church dogma. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: At that time we ourselves through a focus held a specific office, and our name at that time, the name of the focus personality was Saint Chrodora. And in their ancient Irish church, based upon the teachings of the Coptic Gnostic churches and the ancient Celtic and Gaelic religion, we as a female focus held a very high office indeed of not only a female bishop but one who was considered a saint in those terms. At approximately thirty-odd years of age, we set a sail for the continent to bring back many of the teachings that had been lost to the population in order to reeducate and recivilize the European people whom many had forgotten about themselves and their origins. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: In that particular experience you were a fellow traveler and you also were female. You would have been considered then a high decant in that kind of church layout. And you traveled with us. Your name would have been Lucia and at one particular point you eventually left your office to marry a very nice man and bear his children. You family had traveled at that time into an area that may already have had a name, but eventually became the home of Hildegard von Bingen. Hildegard von Bingen was a descendant of your focus, of Lucia.

MARKUS: (tentatively) I see. (Note: I had not understood the name “Bingen” which is a German location but was pronounced English and also I had never heard it before anyway.)

KRIS: Are you familiar with Hildegard?

MARKUS: No, not at all.

KRIS: This Hildegard von Bingen lived approximately 700 years back, of course in the area of Bingen in Germany. (Note: Actually the internet says she lived from the year 1098 to 1179. Also note that she lived to the age of almost eighty!).

MARKUS: Do you mean Munic? Muenchen?

KRIS: That we are not certain. But if you research the lifetime of Hildegard (yes okay) you may find a particular (word not understood here ???) with powerful mysticism expressed in that individual. Do you follow?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: This should give you much food for thought.

MARKUS: Absolutely.

KRIS: And in each of those lifetimes you always had a powerful connection, regardless of it’s interpretation, but always a powerful connection with (word not understood here ???), with that which is bigger than life itself and which eventually interpreted into religious concepts.

MARKUS: Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me. And this is basically in this life, in this focus, also one of my central issues. And think in this life I am trying to bring that out through my interest in the channeling phenomena and also I’m trying to learn to listen to my intuition and inner visions and that kind of stuff.

KRIS: Indeed this is not the first time. And one small detail about Lucia is that you traveled with us because you were inclined to receive messages from what is commonly called Spirit. Lucia was a medium in that ancient term. Do you understand?

KRIS: Gifted with a type of spiritual vision. We had both agreed that when we would leave Ireland and travel into Europe there would come a time when of necessity you would leave, take a different path. Markus, you had explained that vision to Chrodora, our focus, and this was in total agreement. Markus, there was a vision that you had to set up some (word not understood, probably “vision” ???) of a family out of which another great mystic would come, not knowing necessarily that it would be Hildegard and that you felt moved by the Holy Spirit in that respect. You had an innate understanding and you often spoke so called spiritual messages to others which you had to keep quiet about once you reached continental Europe.

The Irish church was far more liberal than the Vatican church. The Roman church did not agree to these types of transactions because it undermined their believe in their supreme authority only. Thus many compromises were arrived at and eventually the Irish church had to capitulate to the Roman church or lose it’s collective head. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes and I feel a huge resonance while you are explaining this.

KRIS: Repeat.

MARKUS: I feel a huge resonance like goose bumps and a chill while you are explaining this.

KRIS: Indeed.

KRIS: In so many other words, your focus of Lucia was very important for the eventual outcome of Hildegard von Bingen. You may even find certain resonance with Hildegard if you take the time to read some of her life’s works. And the important thing about your present focus is that having previous focuses with mystical and religious dogmas under your belt you are less inclined now to be zealous and psychologically imbalanced, but able to put these lifetimes into perspective and gain experience without necessarily chopping anyone else’s head off or having yours chopped off.

MARKUS: (laughs)

KRIS: In other words, you are not going to loose your head this time.

MARKUS: Not this way at least (laughs)

KRIS: Do you feel a great deal of balance as theme in your life, even in your personal life, your work life, your spiritual quest, many issues in your life have to do with a certain level of balance.

MARKUS: Yes absolutely. Actually before engaging these sessions with you and with Elias I had had the impression is so to speak a life where I am tying up lose ends or bring different focuses into balance, like there was one that I had become aware of, which was very very violent and emotional and this may be the one you told me about where I was together with Ruburt.

KRIS: Indeed. Quite a bloodthirsty individual.

MARKUS: Yes, I could see that. And at the same time I became related (actually wanting to say “aware of”) of a focus which I thought was located in Japan or in a Japanese society and where the main theme had been rigid discipline and it has taken me quite some time in this life to bring those two into balance, like learning a natural amount or a healthy amount of discipline and at the same time allowing an healthy amount of spontaneity.

KRIS: Indeed. And do keep in mind, that from your other focuses’ point of view you are an expression of their balance. They are not only focuses of yours, but you are as much a focus of theirs.

MARKUS: Yes, I understand that.

KRIS: That also brings about a sense of a harmony.

MARKUS: Yes, I already had this impression, like that what I do here and now has quite clear effects on what these focuses are doing in their lives and will bring about changes there in a certain give-and-take kind of manner.

KRIS: Indeed. Now though in some respects you are a future focus of those expressions, there is in another term another focus into the future who would regard you as a past focus. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes, absolutely.

KRIS: This individual exists quite likely in a probable or alternate future [that] is not found upon the planet that you live upon. But in a world quite similar where inner psychological experiences are considered far more normal than your present society can imagine. This individual is a collector, but not a collector of coins or stamps, but what we could only describe to you as tiles. And within those tiles he collects, there is specific memory of his other focuses, so he is able to skim through various layers of self and finding interesting, challenging, provocative, deep memories of other focuses. He is able to impregnate them, to charge tiles with them. Symbols of memories. And offer them in his museum of the soul, so to speak. And this is indeed common practice in his reality for individuals to share focus memories in that fashion. And he has quite a collection. It might prove interesting to you at some point in time to psychologically reach out to this individual and perhaps from his perspective acquire impressions of many focuses that compose your essence. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes. Do you have a name for me that I could use as some sort of signal to connect to him?

(30 seconds pause)

KRIS: We believe the name can be pronounced as Dieter.

MARKUS: That’s interesting. That would be like a German name and I am living in Germany now, so I can relate to that.

KRIS: Indeed. His society is an offshoot the kind of society you presently live in, but in a distant future.

MARKUS: And those tiles, would they be similar to the tiles that are described in the Oversoul 7 book?

KRIS: Similar that will upon touch convey the memory impressions of other focuses within Dieter’s (word not understood here, probably “research” or “vision” ???), some of which are yours and some of which are of other focuses that you become familiar with and some that you are not familiar with at this time. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: That is his private museum or collection of essence memory. And as we are suggesting, in his society many individuals actually take pride in the extent of their collections and the beauty of sharing those memories through their tiles.

MARKUS: So these tiles would be physical things?

KRIS: Indeed, they would. They are impregnated with psychic energy that upon touch resonates into the individual who touches it and literally delivers the memory.

MARKUS: Okay, like in the Oversoul 7 book.

KRIS: Indeed. These have the focuses of yours and Dieters essence, which is the same.

MARKUS: Yes, I can quite relate to that because over the last three months maybe I had become aware of a lot of focus information and pretty clear focus information indeed. And there may already be a connection to that individual which I’m not already aware of but would be sort of a bleed through or a common action which would be expressed through both of these focuses.

KRIS: Indeed. Your own interest and research, in a manner of speaking, are not unlike his, but he is (word not understood here, probably “proficient” ???) and he is more adept at these than you are. So by reaching out you may refine some of your own message and learn many more things. Does that make sense to you?

MARKUS: Absolutely. Clear as water.

KRIS: Do you have other questions?

MARKUS: Some in fact. Could you give me some information about how or if I am related to the Speakers that are described in Seth’s books and Ruburt’s books and also in the Oversoul 7 book? I felt some resonance with that, but through finding out that my family belonging would primarily be Sumafi …

KRIS: Please speak louder …

MARKUS: I would like to find out if there is any relation or any affiliation between my focus or my essence and the Speakers as described in Seth’s book or in the Oversoul 7 book.

KRIS: We would have imagined that by now you have relied upon your impressions when those impressions made themselves known to you, regarding another focus as Speaker. For indeed this is correct. Your essence has many focuses, one of which is also a Speaker. Which why when you had read of the Speakers originally, there was a sense of awe, a sense that you knew this, even if you did not know the words. Did you not?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: This was familiar information, but you had never read about it before. Correct?

MARKUS: Correct.

KRIS: When you sensed this original impression, did you also sense a name for your speaker focus?

MARKUS: Err, recently a name had appeared in my mind, which would basically be one of my next questions [meaning that I had planned to ask what that name was], and the name that had appeared there, was the name Yolanda.

KRIS: This is a nice name. And it would suite quite well. It is a good name. You can trust your impressions. What else have you perceived about speaker Yolanda.

MARKUS: I have not had many impressions about this Speaker focus yet, because in a manner of speaking I had discounted the Speaker idea in the moment when I had heard that I belong to the Sumafi family. And it had been my understanding that the Speakers are mainly coming from the Sumari family.

So that …

KRIS: You find that your impressions are often far more accurate than information. There are always exceptions and leeway in consciousness.

MARKUS: I am sort of finding (laughs) that a lot of the exceptions are applying to me, to my person.

KRIS: And do you not find that you are an exceptional individual?

MARKUS: I thinks so. (At this point I don’t sound really convinced though.)

KRIS: Indeed. The information that you read, whether from ourselves, Elias, Seth or others are meant as a guideline, not as definite commandments written in stone. They might give you a general idea, but not an absolute definition. And your own impressions are far more valid than written information that you think says that your impressions are wrong. Do you understand this?

MARKUS: Yes, this is actually a process through which I am going through the last three months, with Elias sessions and your sessions, like learning to trust how or learning to find how accurate my impressions actually are. Because in the past I had really discounted them as, well, just ideas or phantasies or thing that I would make up to make myself more interesting or something like that. And I am quite amazed through these sessions now how much very very accurate information I’m allowing myself to access.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, an example of an inaccurate impression of course would be that you think that you are a car.

MARKUS: (laughs) I see.

KRIS: That would definitely be an impression you need to verify. But the idea here is that you setup a base of knowledge and information, that you know deep within your being has a ring of truth, though it is not absolute in itself. The truth that it sings to you should be investigated, should be looked out and explored. And though there may be instances where you will perceive quite naturally that certain parts of your impressions might not necessarily be as in line with the original impression, you can still explore the territory and make your own adjustments. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes

KRIS: For instance, although you may get the impression that you can fly, there is only one way you can physically fly, and that is to take a plane. If you try otherwise, you might get a very big headache.

MARKUS: (laughs) Yes.

KRIS: There is another way that you might also explore the impression of flying, and that is through your dreams and out of body projection where you can literally fly, unimpeded by the physical body that can not fly unless it is on a plane. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes, although I have not been too successful in becoming aware of any out of body experiences, up to this moment at least.

KRIS: It often requires that you establish a good recording of your dreams, keeping track of dream your experiences. They are also part of your journey. And at the same time, an impression of a flying might also for instance might also lead you to discover that you may have had a focus in an entirely different era of the earth history where there was indeed an experiment with a type of human being that did have wings, that existed in the area of Madagascar when it was much bigger than it is today. Another species of human beings that has wings. Which gave rise to the many legends of winged beings, angelic beings and so on and so forth. Do you understand?

There are still possibilities to explore impressions, but each within their own context. So again, you have an interesting adventure in this lifetime. You will find that your impressions become more and more precise and quite good, as the time develops. Do you have another question?

MARKUS: Yes. I had read, recently, last week, one of the sessions that an other individual had with you. I think the name was Dan, or essence name was Urol, and in that session you spoke about channeling.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARKUS: And I had an impression while reading that, that there is some kind of connection between Serge or Joseph and me here in a form that probably, if the channeling of your essence through Serge would not have happened, for example because Mark and Serge would not have met or something like that, that I would have been an alternate path or there would have been the possibility that I would have become an alternate path for either you or a similar essence to be channeled. Is that true?

(10 seconds pause)

KRIS: In that you are correct, specifically because of our affiliation in terms of essence with your own essence …

MARKUS: … you mean …

KRIS: … the same essence as Lucia, which was a medium having already set up a foundation for you to tap into. Do you understand?

MARKUS: And so, now at this point my impression about this kind of phenomena, like inner visions and channeling, is that since Serge is doing the channeling my way would more be like becoming aware of inner visions in a more conscious way, like not going into trance and going out of the way in order to let another essence through, but my way would more be like working with that inner vision in a very conscious level or conscious form that probably would not even require what we call altered states.

KRIS: Now there are always altered states. Different layers of conscious perception as well as different layers of the unconscious manifestation. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: And indeed in that perception you are acting and expressing exactly what Lucia did. She gave messages, in the common term from spirit, in the spiritualistic term. She picked up deep impressions that came to the surface from the unconscious and expressed them. There are certain areas which you would not necessarily be able to access, that would require deeper states of trance work. Do you understand?

MARKUS: Yeah.

KRIS: But is still a great deal of information that can come to the surface of the conscious mind for you to express. From different neurological patterns. That is what trance means. That you switch the patter at the neurological level of the brain to capture information that would not otherwise make itself known. But then, there are different layer of that ability. Some layers are so deep that it allows either your or even another essence to create the exchange, but these are not always well suited to some individuals. Some individuals would not be able to deal with the rearranging of neurological patterns and brainwave functions in that manner and would literally object to the exchange. But others are able to travel the smaller waves of exchanges and deal with information that is more immediately related to the surface layers of reality. Does that make sense to you?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: It does not mean that you would not be able to give significant messages. You would. But some layers of information might not necessarily be accessible to you. But these would almost be insignificant. For instance you might not necessarily be able to bring through information that would lead to the development of those clusters of consciousness and other matters. But that is not necessarily all the type of information you will be able to deal with. You would be able to deal with bring about other types of information suited to your abilities. Do you follow?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: And each different expression of the phenomena has it’s validity. Does that make sense to you?

MARKUS: Yes, it does. Absolutely.

KRIS: Now may we enquire as to the time.

MARKUS: In your time it is shortly after five pm.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you have another question?

MARKUS: One question that I would have is how our relation, like the one between you and me, would be on essence level. (I mean) not so much how we met on focuses, but if there is some sort of connection on essence level. Like being fragmented or merged or anything in that kind of action that may have occurred, that may have led to the creation or rise of my essence?

(10 seconds pause)

KRIS: Now with all of this talk, do you remember the sweet sound of your essence name.

MARKUS: (tentatively) Yes

KRIS: If you meditate upon it even for a second, if you pronounce it even for a second, what impressions or echoes do you get?

(15 seconds pause).

MARKUS: My impression would be that I am a fragment of your essence.

(Note: I had had this impression long before the session, but took the time to see if any new impressions would arise on Kris’ suggestion. However, I was far too nervous to let anything meaningful come through.)

KRIS: And that indeed is a good impression. Philip also is such. And especially at the time of our focus Chrodora your focus Lucia, (can’t make out word here ???) Joseph, and Philip and yourselves and ourselves, often with other individuals, we traveled together, often causing some degree of controversy and fun trouble. Simply to stir things up, you know?

MARKUS: Yes.

KRIS: Your impression is good.

KRIS: Now if we may take our leave of your delicious conversation and return Joseph to you.

MARKUS: Yes, very much.

KRIS: Indeed then we again thank you for your time and for your ears.

MARKUS: And I thank you for your attention – I think you have enough time where you are or what you are, but I am very very happy to (be) meeting you again after all those many many years in physical terms.

KRIS: Indeed. We had mentioned to Philip at some point that many of the past acquaintances in those terms would also show up. For we usually do. Good friends find themselves even across time and space and even if there is not a pub to enjoy a good beer, there is at least means to communicate.

MARKUS: And that is very much of a pleasure!

KRIS: Indeed, then we return Joseph to you.

MARKUS: Thank you very much.

Tree of Essence

September 20, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Alex (Darrolid)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 20, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Session Begins at 8:55pm

KRIS: Now, we are glad that you are so talkative.

ALEX: Sorry for the delay.

KRIS: The previous material delivered upon the ten sisters is meant to introduce these aspects to the conscious perceiving mind in order to create and engage the recognition that the human individual is not bereft of tools and resources and abilities. So far the material is a foundation upon which we may eventually show and share some additional insights into the layering of this civilization of self. This civilization of self is to be understood as a model of the various civilizations that spring forth, from within human ingenuity, human creativity, because this is what human beings are so marvelously adept at doing. Human beings are marvelously adept at interpreting those models of the psyche into a format that can be used in three-dimensional terms. Within the outlines of this or any civilization that is created out of the genius of the human mind, then various boundaries are explored.

Various aspects of the human psyche are themselves put into effect and given a certain leeway, given certain parameters. In other words, given an interpretation out of countless others within one’s specific civilization. Other civilizations also represent yet other facets of this civilization of the self and together two, four, eight, sixteen, thirty-two and more represent these civilizations spread throughout layers of time and space; represent but a small portion of this larger self.

They are then models for related upon specific aspects or layers of self. Focuses are then automatically generated by essence and populate the various civilizations and their cultures giving full leeway to these experiments, these adventures, within which the individual can discover how to use various blueprints and echoes of this larger civilization of the self within his or her own sets of convictions. Each one individual adding to the wealth of information and knowledge and wisdom gained so that all of these various facets of self and their innumerable civilizations can indeed be found to be useful, practical interpretations of a concept that truly outstrips your present notions of selfhood, individuality. Together these experiments, these adventures validate what is a state of being.

You view your present excursion in physical reality through the stages of birth, youth, adolescence, adulthood and death as your life, and you define all of existence along those specific lines according to your unique individual sole perception – sole is spelled s-o-l-e – and mostly you become so entranced and preoccupied with your interactions with the senses and the objects of the senses that you momentarily forget that this one lifetime of yours is a singular expression of so many other lifetimes which are all individually experienced from the perspective of the singular. But what would be excellent to keep in mind, to remind yourselves, is that for all intent and purposes, that indeed your life is lived on an entirely different scale.

Once you suspend your beliefs in the notion that all that [there] is to your particular singular life in the moments that exist between your birth and your death and look at an entirely different picture to see that your life is composed of hundreds and even thousands of other individualized singular perceptions; that all told actually comprise of a life that is altogether quite different. One that lives and expresses itself through the auspices of your personality structure, and that all of the combined aspects or focuses still do not completely define and determine that one life that literally surrounds and expresses itself through you from another vantage point.

You believe that your life has so many hours and so many days and so many years, but from the perspective of source or essence then, your individual lives are themselves unique hours and days and years of essence’s life. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Your own lives, whether twenty, sixty, a hundred years are simultaneous moments from perspective of essence. This is not meant to invalidate any of your feelings towards your own unique life expression and all of its miracles and gifts, but that from essence’s perspective, your life could very well be a breath from its vantage point, a breath nonetheless as blessed and cherished as any of your specific unique breaths at any moment. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And again this would not sweep [away] the precious individuality of your existence for it is valid in all of its moments, just as your thoughts, any of your thoughts, may come to your awareness only to be [swept away] almost as soon as you’re aware of it. So, from the perspective of essence your miraculous and blessed expressions are considered breaths and seasons of self. They are another expression of a deeper, more expansive type of civilization that makes itself known through the construction of your physical bodies.

Therefore, it is very important to allow from time to time, to allow your perspective to recognize that you have an entirely different existence at this other level of self. This other existence takes into account hundreds if not thousands of various selves and that together there is still more to yourselves than you ever thought possible.

Consider for a moment the majestic, magnificent tree there in the field or the yard or the riverbank or in the hills. For a moment consider that the hundreds and thousands of leaves that adorn this magnificent tree connected to the minor and then the major branches each leading into the trunk as various branches of essence, the trunk itself being of course essence. Each beautifully shaped leaf on this tree represents an individualized self, an expression of essence. They’re still attached participating in the very existence of essence and at some point in time the singular leaf may indeed become aware that there may be another leaf in its vicinity.

Now, if there is another leaf in the vicinity, it may very well be that there are other leaves still and if the original leaf is connected to the branch then indeed the other leaf, the other leaves even, in the vicinity might themselves be connected to other branches of the same tree extending that original leaf’s focusing, perceptions, observations. The fact that it and neighboring leaves are connected to the small, minor branches, leading into the major branches and then into the trunk may very well suppose that there are other branches that lead to entirely different leaves spread throughout the great canopy of the tree itself all receiving life from the trunk, which feeds off the roots, which draw the nutrients from deep within the soil.

By recognizing this connectivity within one tree, the leaf may eventually surmise that there may very well be other trees in the vicinity, other essences each also undergoing similar processes with their leaves, each quite possibly having similar sources of nutrients within the soil and each quite possibly aware of each other, creating a vast network of awareness deep within the soil which would represent then these deep layers of consciousness.

Whether you call them level two, three, four, five, six and so on, that indeed there are interconnecting factors within those layers of selfhood that might even become difficult to keep track of, but they truly are still an expression of selfhood at completely other levels. So it is one thing indeed to recognize that you have other focuses, that you yourself are a focus of your essence, but it is also a fine thing indeed to recognize that if you are one essence then that presupposes that there are other essences, does it not?

MARK: Very much.

KRIS: And if you as a focus personality are connected to essence, as an expression of essence simultaneously, one different from each other, then you are also in a similar manner connected to other essences. Essences do not float about in the great depth of inner space isolated from each other. It would be indeed your undoing to think so for it is not a thing but a process. From that layer of understanding comes yet another that all of essences also recognize their roots, drawing nutrients from yet other sources deeper, deeply nested within other layers of consciousness yet and this process continues, this living sentient process that you end up calling All That Is. What does this mean then for the blessed singular leaf hanging by its stem on the small branch of the tree? It means that it is an individualized expression of a process, a dynamic, living, sentient process that rises and expresses itself through the manner in which that singular leaf is able to be the best possible leaf that it knows how to be.

This analogy bares more truth than you can imagine at this time and if you consider it in terms of a visual meditation, if you had not been able to do this as we described it, you will find it is an excellent tool with which you may indeed learn to become more aware of this entire self that you are. You are a civilization unto yourselves, and an excellent expression of such a civilization and you are modeled upon yet other civilizations deeper within the self, nested in layers that are not that difficult to uncover.

At any given time, a snapshot, a psychological snapshot of where your present civilization stands in physical existence will give you a fairly accurate understanding of where your own inner civilization is at and then realizing that that personal inner civilization is modeled upon yet another, nested more deeply within awareness of self should indicate to you that there is much to be discovered.

Perhaps over a period of time, we can also help in the discovery of these nested layers of awareness. You may indeed find that it is not so difficult to realize that on another branch of this “Tree of Essence” there may be indeed another leaf apparently sitting there, pretty, ‘leafing’ its way through the breeze and realize that that leaf, [on] that far away branch is already aware of you and others and that you may indeed learn from it. There are other aspects of yourself that are marvelously adept at discovering more of self than you are aware of at this time but that can give you much to feed upon, much food for thought and reflection.

Consider this other leaf then as another aspect that may indeed be somewhat different in terms of its abilities. Now, this other leaf of course is another expression, another aspect of essence, a focus and you do have other focuses in other times. Some may indeed be expressing their existence in what you will interpret as future times.

(Note: the phone started to ring. The ring is quite loud so KRIS stopped speaking until it stopped. Otherwise, we may not have heard what he had to say).

KRIS: (Referring to the phone ringing.) That way it will be easier to remove this from your recording.

MARK: Mmhmm.

KRIS: Now, though the tree and all of the leaves exist simultaneously, you will be prone to interpreting one of these aspects as living in the future. You may even call it a dream archeologist, a focus of yours, which could just as easily be that you are the focus of it, but that has already mastered many techniques and acquired a knowledgeable base of experiences which enables it to travel through the time and the times developed within essence, as well as the historical periods that have developed within essence. Do you understand that?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: We know that you just said yes but you might still consider that time and history happen in a linear fashion and are actually very real, concrete objective realities whilst in fact they are not so objective as you think.

MARK: Comment on that for fear of sounding like Janaki (Paul’s essence name). Your analogy of the tree is absolutely beautiful and I think it’s become very clear that a particular belief or focus on one branch existing in one time or era is simultaneous to a leaf or focus on another branch living in another time or era.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Your analogy is absolutely beautiful and very clear. Something else I perceived when you started talking tonight is that the Sisters of Consciousness are tiles and that even later on I perceived that each focus personality as we are, are also tiles. We are expressions of a concept, expressions of something higher but perceived by each person perceiving the tiles. Care to comment?

KRIS: At this point, we would like to continue, though your perceptions are entirely valid. Now, each source self will generate concepts from blueprints that exist at – we will simply say ‘universal level’ – at the level that transcends so many conceptions of time and space that is at the root foundation of existence.

These ideas about an objectified concrete, linear, sequential historical frame only exists as one specific layer, the layer of the conscious mind; that part of you that participates with the creation of that event, to the exclusion of others, which may indeed may be nonlinear. Thus you generate those times in historical periods because there is, nested in the various manners within essence, the complete historical time versions that exists for all of the focus personalities.

It is possible to actually explore these layers within essence, each being represented then by a focus personality or a group of focus personalities. We are speaking here of a type of archeology that is not concerned with the world of facts and artifacts in that manner as you are accustomed in your world, but as a completely different set of criteria. The artifacts, the facts will exist in a psychological manner and it would be meant to explore then, layers of civilization that rise one into the other like the legendary phoenix within self building and rebuilding, creating and recreating from within essence, within self always to express in as many different focuses as possible. We are speaking here of a “Meta Archeologist”.

ALEX: A what?

KRIS: “Meta Archeologist”.

ALEX: Meta?

KRIS: Meta. Now, we will take a small break.

Break at 9:37pm

Resume at 9:47pm

KRIS: Indeed now, just as you may think that the source of your being is a thing dangling in the depths of some nether region so might you also think that families, groups of essences with similar intent direction, similar goals might be something separate again. We do want to mention that even though we have described that your unique families and groups of families that we call the Taaj comprise of one specific cluster and that we have used words to describe other groupings of families into other clusters.

We wish to be very clear that these are merely definitions to give you an idea in linear syntax of a very complex arrangement of consciousness that far outstrips any words we used we are using or will use to describe these concepts. As such, the cluster of the Taaj is not something that exists floating in some metaphysical space outside of your selves and neither are the other clusters we have described or the ones we have yet to describe. They may seem as concepts removed from your usual understanding of self but they also represent other layers of that nested selfhood. They represent other types of civilizations of self that may indeed be foreign to you just as the leaf on the opposite side of the tree’s canopy itself may appear to you as alien, simply because it appears so. But by careful introspection, you’ll only recognize that it truly is not alien but a part of the entire tree-hood itself.

Therefore, whether we speak of families of consciousness in the Taaj or families in our own Gaura or other clusters which represent still other regions and even species of consciousness / civilizations within the entire concept of All That Is, you are no more different from your own source than you are from All That Is. The only differences exist in the qualitative variables that you have instilled and the barriers you have set up between you and You, between yourself and Yourself thinking that you are nothing more than a singular branch but in truth you are part of something, an expression of a much deeper experience all on its own.

Still, with all of these perceptions, all of these definitions, the simplest of them all and yet perhaps the most complex of them all is contained within a three word question: Whom am I, or what am I? Still this simple three word question cannot truly ever be fully answered, simply because the question itself is based upon a faulty premise. The self, the “I”, is a completed thing and it never is. You are always in a state of becoming.

ALEX: I was just going to ask would the better question be “who am I becoming?”

KRIS: Even then…

MARK: Even then, it’s never ending. It’s a never ending story. It’s not something you’re going to become…

KRIS: You always are and that is still dealing with verbs and vowels and adjectives and so on and so forth within the context of syntactical, linear thought processes are themselves only a reflection of still greater concepts.

ALEX: So, then we shouldn’t maybe ask the question. We should just state “I am”.

MARK: I are?

ALEX: We are?

MARK: Something that I’ve always perceived even from my earliest thoughts over the last three years is that All That Is is really sort of one unit of consciousness that is fragmenting and fragmenting and fragmenting and that each fragment or each unit of consciousness that it’s fragmented from is trying to identify itself but it’s still an expression of the whole. Just like our lovely analogy of the tree. Even though we use the trunk as the essence in that analogy, All That Is is really the trunk and that All That Is branches out.

ALEX: Yeah.

KRIS: And still the analogy is not complete. But in truth the one tree is all of the trees, themselves each an expression of selfhood. There are nested domains within nested domains and this idea of a “Meta Archeologist” is meant to help you explore, for that is what enlightenment and self-awareness is about. “Becoming aware of self”!

This idea that the traditional style of awareness that you become aware of God in itself cannot fulfill the individual because God is not only at the end of the stem experiencing its leaf-hood but it is all of the leafs on the tree and all of the trees including the planet that nourishes the trees, including all of the life forms on the planet, including all of the planets in the solar system in the galaxy and the universe and all of the universes you can possibly conceive of and All That Is is still not completely All That Is because All That Is is All That Is. Thus, that apparently simple little leaf dangling at the end of the stem is not what it seems to be.

MARK: The forest unto itself.

KRIS: It is. It is self as the tree is self as all the trees are self as the planet and all the planets are self and on an on and yet self is none of these things specifically. They are expressions of self. Self is more but a “Meta Archeologist” digs within consciousness for the artifacts of the civilizations of the mind, the cultures of consciousness, the expressions of selfhood, the myriad displays of being.

Now, what is the time?

MARK: 10:00pm on the button.

KRIS: Indeed then. We will leave you to ponder what you are as opposed what you’ve been taught about who you are and indeed may your dreams be filled with meta archeological digs. That is also what you’re dreams are about; another domain of self within which you have more leeway so to speak. So then do have pleasant dreams and pleasant days.

MARK and ALEX: Thank you.

Session ends at 10:01pm

(Or so we thought although Mark had a feeling Kris would come back so he decided to record our discussion. Sure enough, seconds into our discussion, KRIS pops back in.)

Session continues at 10:10pm

KRIS: 10:01pm. I’m recording this. I think it’s kind of interesting that us as physical, focus personalities are trying to, through archeology and sciences, find out who we are, what we are, where we started and we can’t grasp, possibly grasp, the truth just as All That Is is doing the same thing, it can’t possibly grasp its beginning and its history.

ALEX: But I think that All That Is is aware that it is a part of something else…

MARK: Aren’t we, as focus personalities, doing the same thing?

ALEX: But we’re not aware – well, you and I are – but I’m talking about as a society… (both Mark and I noticed KRIS coming back and we started to laugh).

MARK: (Referring to KRIS’s re-emergence) I knew this was going to happen…here he comes…10:02pm

Session Resumes at 10:02pm

KRIS: Now, you think you’re aware and you think essence is aware and yes essence is aware but essence, as is All That Is, is constantly discovering more of what it is aware of, exactly as you are.

Your actions in a physical reality, in a manner of speaking, reflect or are a reflection of, an echo of things that occur at those deeper layers of self just as geologists, archeologists, anthropologists and all of the other ‘pologists’ in your reality in a manner of speaking are expressing and reflecting some action of consciousness; translated through the grid of perception and through their individualized convictions for their own purposes. Still over and above all of these issues, there is the sheer joy of knowing that even if only unconscious, you are a conscious expression of the joy of essence of discovering its own extended awareness.

When you read this transcript, pay particular attention to the latter part of a few moments ago when we suggested that even though we use words to describe families of consciousness and clusters of families and so on and so forth, these are still layers of selfhood that you find discoverable through the auspices of our words. Therefore, in a manner of speaking only, you are on a quest to discover whom and what you are and that quest has brought you to hear these words.

ALEX: But not everybody is on a quest.

MARK: Sure they are.

ALEX: Not consciously …

MARK: But we’re all on the quest.

ALEX: But we don’t know about it…

KRIS: You are each of you on the journey, whether you realize it or not is beside the point. You are on the quest to transform energy basically to give self as many new expressions, unique individualized expressions, as you can possibly imagine through the auspices of your convictions, your emotions, your thought patterns, your state of mind, your attitudes.

Now, obviously it is far more constructive to entertain beneficial thoughts but at the same time it is also to recognize that all expressions are valid in those terms, though in your system, with your convictions, some actions are deemed positive and some are deemed negative. That is how you have found it suitable to interpret actions of consciousness and to transform energy. All in all, you cannot help yourselves from journeying into time and space to give self a unique, undeniably valid expression, one that is truly great because it is your Self.

MARK: Question…

KRIS: (Not wanting to break his chain of thought, KRIS continues) Now, if you take into consideration everything you have heard tonight, everything you have heard in other evenings and conjure this into a dream, you would have some interesting interpretations indeed and at one layer of consciousness, this is agreed upon. They are symbols. WE are symbols for the inner voice within your selves, even though we retain our full and authentic validity. So, indeed you are a good dreamer, are you not, to give yourselves this information in this way?

(To Mark) Now, you had a question.

MARK: Yes, is All That Is as blinded by beliefs and belief structures as our quote unquote “pologists” are?

KRIS: As your what?

MARK: “Pologists” as you put it.

KRIS: Indeed not. These are your specific interpretations. At such levels beliefs do not exist but the sheer wonderment has capabilities of design to know and discover and before anyone thinks that All That Is, is again a thing outside of themselves, we wish to remind you that as that expression goes, ‘You are therefore also All That Is.’ Do you understand?

MARK: Mmhmm.

ALEX: I have a question.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: Do I spell ‘pologists’ p-a-u-l as in Paul Helfrich?

MARK: No.

KRIS: (Humorously) We will pretend we didn’t hear that question.

MARK: “Pologist” J-a-n-a-k-i I keep all of my – coming back to tiles – and how ‘pologists,’ anthropologists, archeologists, so on and so on, we’re all tiles. It’s all concepts of much larger things perceived differently by the perceiver but still part of the master.

KRIS: Indeed, you are all unique, individualized and completely valid expressions of All That Is. You do not yet understand that you are also other expressions of All That Is.

MARK: Other expressions?

KRIS: There are other expressions of yourself in other times and spaces.

MARK: Mmhmm.

KRIS: And these still serve functions.

MARK: I understand we are expressions of, and that there are other expressions of, but I get that there are other, we are other, compared to the others .

KRIS: Indeed. That is why we have said that you are as equally a focus of another as another is a focus of you.

MARK: Mmhmm, just as we are one probable self of the probables or one possible of the possibles.

KRIS: The question is “Who is probable?” The answer is ‘probably’ that you all are.

MARK: That’s something I’ve been asking for years now .

ALEX: Okay, I’m going to have to read the transcript to understand this part!

MARK: For me, it’s been over the years, if I’m a focus, if I have other incarnations.

KRIS: Would it not also be appropriate to say that these other selves have an incarnation known as you?

MARK: That’s right, exactly.

KRIS: Indeed, entirely valid. It is presumptuous to ONLY say that you have incarnations here and there, expressions here and there, focuses here and there …

MARK: Who is the You?

KRIS: Indeed. Who is Self and what is Self? Who are You, and what are You?

MARK: You have a past life or you have a future life but who is the You that has it? You are the past life of the future life so who is the You?

KRIS: You are also nothing more in such words than the future expression of another so called past self.

ALEX: All for one breath?

MARK: All valid.

KRIS: All expressions, physical or non, are entirely valid.

MARK: Just as the dream experience are just as valid as the waking.

KRIS: What is the dream and who is the dreamer and who is the dreamed? Do you understand?

ALEX: Yeah, I think there is no such thing as a dream now because…

MARK: Bingo.

ALEX: it’s all a dream so there’s no such thing as one.

MARK: In a way.

KRIS: There are various kinds of domains within dreams itself. Perhaps we can consider some material on dreams in the very near future.

ALEX: That would be great!

MARK: Maybe in a book? (MARK is referring to KRIS’S longstanding idea that they write a book on dreams. I think this was KRIS’ way of hinting to get going on it and MARK got the hint).

KRIS: Now then, have yourselves a pleasant dream and dreamily as All That Is would dream.

MARK and ALEX: Thank you.

Session ends at 10:16pm

Private Session for Ellen from USA (includes info on ancient Vedic civilization and Vimanas – flying machines)

September 16, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Ellen
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on September 16, 2004.
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: Now then, we greet you with warmth and pleasure.

ELLEN: Hi Kris. (pause) Can you hear me?

KRIS: Indeed. Now then we trust that you are comfortable and ready for this adventure.

ELLEN: Heh, heh. Seems like “adventure” is all I’ve been talking about today! (earlier on New World View, I had posted a short Tarot reading I had just laid out for myself in lieu of this session with Kris. Three of the four cards stressed new “adventures” at hand in my life.)

KRIS: Indeed. Why would it be otherwise? That is the nature and the scope of existence well above and beyond any ideas that any individual focus personality may have concerning the word “existence.” For it includes and incorporates the physical expressions in all of its forms as well as all of the non-physical forms of expression given within the scope of the Essence.

All of these are adventures in discovery, adventures in creation.

ELLEN: I agree totally!

KRIS: Thus we open the floor to your questions, and it is possible that we will indulge and hijack the session ourselves.

ELLEN: (Laughing) That sounds like fun. Okay. You gave me my Essence name, and I hope I’m saying it right: Kwaa-Jee (phonetic spelling)?

KRIS: Splendid. We hope that you are comfortable with the sound involved?

ELLEN: Did I say it right?

KRIS: It is good.

ELLEN: Kwaa’ji. (my spelling) I like it. Does it have a meaning?

KRIS: Perhaps not in any specific Oriental language, but it has a connotation.

ELLEN: Connotation?

KRIS: Indeed. It relates to something. Many times when we give an Essence name we also try to do so keeping in mind the various focuses or expressions throughout the time and space continuum. And in your case this is also relevant to an expression of yours some time back. Now, if you are open to this, we may discuss this further.

ELLEN: Sure.

KRIS: This will be kind of a lesson in unofficial history. Kwaa’ji was individual. A male. Existence approximately 18,000 to 19,000 years back.

ELLEN: Wow (chuckling)

KRIS: Now you see, humans did not start becoming civilized only approximately four or five thousand years ago and prior to that you were all monkeys!

ELLEN: (Laughing)

KRIS: In that time span there was indeed a major world culture. We have referred to it as the Vedic civilization. This incorporated, in a manner of speaking, what has been translated as the Atlantis culture also. This was only a province and it was not like religions have now made it to be.

Now returning to your Kwaa’ji focus, your particular area was what is now China.

ELLEN: Cool.

KRIS: And in such times past, the oriental facial and physical traits were not as fully designed yet. Yellow skin and slanted, almond-like eyes were not completely developed. The traits and characteristics were more in keeping with the taller Indian people.

ELLEN: I see.

KRIS: The center of that world culture for many, many thousands of years was in Sanskrit called “Mahabharata.” In India. And in such times there were amazing technological advances, many of which surpass some of your best in today’s culture.

ELLEN: In the area of India?

KRIS: At that time the culture was global.

ELLEN: OK

KRIS: But its main epicenter, if you wish, was India.

ELLEN: Oh, that’s interesting.

KRIS: Now this is also in relations to your alignments and belonging to and families of consciousness, but we will get to that later. Kwaa’ji was a highly educated individual in a very specialized function. In today’s terms he would have been educated in the areas of cartography and engineering.

ELLEN: photography and engineering, did you say? (Obviously, I misheard Kris. In the CD, the word was very definitely “cartography” which is mapmaking.)

KRIS: Indeed. And in such times you lived at the very beginnings of the Big Ice Age. And as many scientists in those days had perceived the advancing of messy, continent-covering ice sheets, they realized — and this included you — realized that certain measures had to be taken and information passed on to the remnants of upcoming descendants and civilizations.

ELLEN: To protect and preserve them, you mean?

KRIS: To preserve knowledge; but a very special kind of knowledge. The knowledge that indicates that your ideas of selfhood, your capabilities and capacities for civilization-creating are indeed enormous, and span hundreds and millions of years. Not a mere few thousand years.

What you and others did is to use flying vehicles. In ancient Vedic culture these were called “vimanas” and they were not powered by fossil fuel but instead by one of three different means depending on the psychic capabilities of the individual.

One such means of power, or fuel if you wish, was to extract certain compounds by the alchemical transformation of mercury–

ELLEN: Mercury!

KRIS: — with other elements to create fuel. Another type of fuel was derived through the use of crystals.

ELLEN: (Laughing) I knew you would say that.

KRIS: These were usually of high quality gem structure. And at the same time, the other means of fuel for these vimanas — which came in many different shapes and sizes and capabilities — were fueled by direct mantra and psychic energy.

ELLEN: Like in deep meditative states?

KRIS: Not necessarily. Simply by an interfacing device that was fed by the mind of the operator of the vimana; triggered by mantra, maintained by mental energy. Some of the vimanas were only used for short flights. Others were used for long distance travel, even in the upper stratosphere. Others were used for interplanetary and even inter-dimensional travel.

ELLEN: Whoa. We were pretty heavy back then.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: (Laughing)

KRIS: And this is what baffles modern researchers, archeologists, paleontologists, and so many others: why do five, six, seven thousand year old tombs have designs in gold of flying machines?

And we are not talking of crude designs, but of scientifically aerodynamic design in artifacts of gold and some with electroplating, too!

ELLEN: Wow!

KRIS: That are five, six, and seven thousand years old! Where do the monkeys of 5,000 years ago–

ELLEN: (Laughing)

KRIS: –come across electroplating device, which requires electricity?

ELLEN: Smart apes, huh?

KRIS: Indeed. They wrote the greatest fictions of all time!

ELLEN: (Laughing uproariously)

KRIS: They wrote the histories of comical characters, like Darwin and Freud!

Now, all kidding aside, you were one of those individuals chosen to map out as much of the planet as possible. This meant that far back in time there was an acknowledgment and a recognition that your planet was not flat, but that it had the same shape it has today. And when it is believed that only in the mid-1800′s that longitude and latitude were properly established, and yet the remnants of these ancient maps contain the proper, and even absolute longitudinal and latitudinal coordinates for continents that were not properly mapped out even unto the early 1900′s–!– there is obviously something askew with the modern idea of history!

ELLEN: Have some of these maps been found?

KRIS: Indeed. Are you familiar with the Piri Reis map?

ELLEN: The which…the what map?

KRIS: We believe it is spelled P-I-R-I, and then the second word is R-E-I-S.

ELLEN: (muttering) r,e,i,s….No, I never heard of it (note: though I have heard of the discovery of other ancient, highly accurate maps before…)

KRIS: We are not 100% [sure] of the spelling, but this map and over 20 others discovered over the last four and five hundred years are themselves claimed to be based upon hundreds of other maps that are thousands of years old. And many of these maps show continents with proper detailed mapping outlines that have not been established since or before the early 1900′s or later.

The Antarctic continent, for example, — in this map discovered in the 1500′s, based upon older maps, thousands of years old — shows the Antarctic continent to be absolutely precise to almost zero degree of differentiation; something that was not discovered until the late 1960′s and ’70′s

ELLEN: So they’ve been discovered, but they can’t explain it, is that it?

KRIS: That is correct. Even to the point of showing that the Antarctic continent is not one piece of land, but actually two; with a deep river ridge separating the two, but now covered with almost a mile and a half to two miles of ice sheet that has been on this continent for thousands of years.

How is this possible? And infrared satellite technology in most of these cases, has shown these maps to be very accurate. More so than even in the early 1900′s! This must cause the human brain to think about what kind of history it has been fed! And why such things are not considered valid!

ELLEN: Exactly.

KRIS: Now we bring all of this because Kwaa’ji was an individual that helped to map out — in one of these machines, these flying machines — as a continental surveyor; to lay out heritage for the future. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Yes… (chuckling) It’s blowing my mind!

KRIS: There is something attached to this.

ELLEN: There is a catch?

KRIS: It is attached to this.

ELLEN: Oh, attached to this…

KRIS: Part of this — this still, this map-making ability — still is reflected in your present focus in the manner in which you explore consciousness. You explore the human mind through your intuition, through your cards, and any other devices you use.

ELLEN: That makes sense to me.

KRIS: So it is an echo of something you did in another capacity in that lifetime.

ELLEN: Wow. What about with my artwork? When you talked about the detail of–

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: –of mapmaking, seems like it might be reflected…

KRIS: It requires an accurate eye and an expert art talent to create such mapping. So it would be… (pause)

ELLEN: I’ve always been very detail-oriented.

KRIS: Perhaps your children think you are sometimes obsessed with it? (Humerously).

ELLEN: (Laughing) Could be!

KRIS: So we have presented this to you because it may help trigger and open up deeper layers of your own subjective consciousness. Open doorways to inner experiences you might not have considered within your grasp, or ever.

ELLEN: It certainly does make me think.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: You mentioned that the flying machines used crystals as fuel.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Could this be why I’m drawn to rocks and crystals the way I am?

KRIS: Because there is an understanding that with proper devices they can be utilized for a variety of purposes. The crystals and the gems and jewels used in those vimanas — the second class of vimanas, which is what you used — were of high quality and placed into a kind of technological interface creating a specific vibratory rate that caused the vimana to rise, accelerate, slow down, ascend, descend in a variety of ways.

ELLEN: Nowadays, I use crystals sometimes to focus my mind in certain directions and when I’m trying to reach a certain meditative state…and sometimes I’ve noticed I can use them in healing ways. I’m really a novice at this and it’s sort of um…I just keep trying different things.

KRIS: Indeed. You may use them to enhance your concentration, in a manner of speaking. You may use them to quiet the mind and tap deeper into your own source of energy.

ELLEN: I’ve even noticed they help sometimes in my Tarot readings.

KRIS: They will exert a calming influence which helps clear the mind, quiet it. There are many folklores that have sprung up around the use of crystals. many of them are often off the wall, but if you can find, perhaps through internet searches, how crystals are utilized according to ancient Vedic principles, you will find astonishing material. It is easy enough to clear out the religious connotations so you can get to the meat of the matter, so to speak; keeping in mind that the religious symbolism is an interpretation of aspects of self. Do you follow?

ELLEN: The religious connotations, would that have anything to do with um…oh, associating different colored crystals with the chakras?

KRIS: More so with the kinds of prayers, indulgences, sacrifices and all of these conditions in relationship to the gods and goddesses. Those can be overlooked — they are mostly to keep the priesthood in power. But the knowledge of gemstones themselves were handed down by this Second Wave of Vedic civilization that have trickled down into your present societies. This would be the Third Wave, which is approximately nine, perhaps 10,000 years old. Though historians, archeologists and anthropologists would argue that such a civilization could not possibly have lived in those times. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Oh, yes.

KRIS: Please continue.

ELLEN: Okay. (Chuckling) It’s a lot to absorb. I think what I wanted to get from you..well, I got my family affiliations from Elias, who says I’m belonging to Milumet…am I saying that right? Is it pronounced Mil-u-met?

KRIS: It can also be pronounced with the silent ‘T’: Mil-u-MAY. It is okay.

ELLEN: Mil-u-may. I thought perhaps it might have the French pronunciation.

KRIS: It is okay. It is not that important. However, since you pronounced it wrong, you go to the back of the class.

ELLEN: Ha ha! Well, anyway, he said I was — MILUMAY– with Sumari alignment, which, to me, sounded right; and I’ve been
reading a lot of your transcripts lately and how you say there are primary, secondary, and tertiary affiliations with different families. I’d like to know how that applies to me.

KRIS: Indeed, you do have that quality of being drawn, or drawing to you and exploring the mystical. We would also draw you here towards belonging to, in Primary as Tumold. Secondary: Milumet. Tertiary: Gramada. In alignment, we would also indicate…Ilda…Vold…and Sumari.

ELLEN: Interesting…

KRIS: They are meant to reflect different facets of Essence, much like a precious jewel refracts light of consciousness directly towards it. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: I’m writing this down…Wow…(that definition actually makes the most sense to me that I’ve ever heard about the families of consciousness)…Now I’d like to know my kids too. All of them, because they are so artistic, I sort of figured that they each have some Sumari in their make-up. My oldest daughter, Kalila, I thought maybe some Borledim, too…my son probably…oh, I’m not sure about my son… and my other daughter Shani I thought that she probably has Vold maybe pretty pronounced in her makeup. I was curious what your impressions were.

KRIS: (long pause) For the children at this time, we will perhaps only address the belonging.

ELLEN: Okay.

KRIS: First child again?

ELLEN: Kalila

KRIS: There is…Sumari, Ilda, and Zuli

ELLEN: Zuli…interesting…

KRIS: The second is your son?

ELLEN: My son, Rafi.

KRIS: We sense Gramada, Borledim…

ELLEN: Ah!

KRIS: …and (pause) Milumet.

ELLEN: Ah! He was the one I certainly thought would be more Sumari. And my daughter Shani?

KRIS: What was your impression for her?

ELLEN: For Shani, I thought Vold might one of the more prominent ones in her personality, But she also seems very Sumari, I thought.

KRIS: (long pause) These two impressions are good; and there is a strong element of balance within her with those two families. The third element would also be Gramada.

ELLEN: Gramada. And my deceased husband. I always thought he was probably strongly Zuli and…Ilda, it seemed to me.

KRIS: That focus personality…our sense is that this is correct…and we also sense that at this point in time…(pause)…There is contemplation on his part; a need to review certain episodes of his life. It is not that he is rushing towards another expression, but he is contemplating if there is indeed a need for another expression; and may indeed play the game of Time and consider to born as the child of one of your children.

ELLEN: I sense that he’s not as um…has not been focusing as much here in the last few years. I think I felt him around more in the first few years after he…transitioned…so that makes sense to me. It would certainly be interesting if he becomes one of my grandchildren! (laughter)

KRIS: We sense that he had a dual relationship with Life; but on the one hand, liked to immerse himself deeply into its physical expression and at the same time, appeared ambivalent in doing so; creating a tension, a certain level of stress between his desires and actions. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes, it does.

KRIS: He may have also been an individual who had difficulties making up his mind but when he did, there was nothing holding him back. Is this correct?

ELLEN: Yes, definitely. I think also…he might have been ready to…transition…just before he met me. He had some odd physical symptoms a couple of years before he met me that came back again just before he died in ’94.

KRIS: Did he ever speak to you about his mindset?

ELLEN: His mindset?

KRIS: From that period of time.

ELLEN: Yeah, he did. He had, um…he had a girlfriend who had committed suicide. He felt…he went through a depression and he wasn’t the sort of person really, who got depressed.

KRIS: Depression did not suit him well.

ELLEN: No.

KRIS: He did not handle it particularly well. Not that others handle it well, or better; but his character…it was a very serious…divergence from his usual patterns and this may have set off an apparent thought at that time to perhaps leave physical reality; feeling guilt and shame and completely disempowered by the situation, as if suddenly life had become meaningless. And without any meaning, there is no need to stay around.

ELLEN: Well, I think…I got the impression that that is exactly what he was going through. I don’t…I’m not trying to say that I came along and brought him back (laughing), but I…I just got the feeling that after we met, there was a kind of new resurgence, or re-interest in life for him.

KRIS: Your meeting provided the impetus necessary to come to terms with certain issues deep within himself; and though there were times when you looked at him and you recognized that somewhere in the background, in the unconscious, a certain portion of his being was still drawn in that other direction, he would catch himself doing this and come back. Is this correct?

ELLEN: I think so, yes.

KRIS: Do you have other questions?

ELLEN: Um, yeah, I wrote down a lot here, and now you have me thinking about so many other things (laughing ruefully). It’s hard to switch focus.

KRIS: We warned you that we would hijack it.

ELLEN: (Laughing) Um…One thing that’s really fascinated me, and it’s funny, we talked about it on New World View today: someone mentioned asking for a sign, even to the point…you know…(vehemently) “give me a sign!!” when you have a dilemma or you know, you want to know something and you just can’t seem to…and I…I said that, yeah, that’s been like my mantra for years. If I feel I need to know something, I’ll demand it, you know — just give me a sign! One of the most vivid times for me was when my husband had been very ill with the cancer…and it looked pretty bad…I just…I was out on my — I’m a crossing guard — I was out on my corner in the morning and I was just overcome with a lot of emotions and I asked for a sign at that moment — was he going to make it through this cancer or not? — And right then, it was like at the end of my time and all the kids were in school, but three people came up to the corner…suddenly…a man, woman and little boy…to be crossed. I was in my car ready to leave and suddenly they just stopped at the corner.

So I got out and I crossed them and they…walked silently across the street. It wasn’t until I got back in my car that I realized, Oh — that’s my sign! So I looked for them and they were gone…and I’ve always wondered, you know… I realized that the meaning of it was that they crossed…they were like this total unit that crossed from one side to the other which meant that my husband would soon be “crossing over” also. It was a metaphor.

And…it got me to thinking for years… and I even discussed briefly on New World View with Jo Helfrich at one time how emotions… strong emotions seem to trigger messages to us.

KRIS: Indeed, because they are themselves a communication.

ELLEN: A communication. That’s what Elias always says.

KRIS: And Indeed; all of existence itself is metaphorical.

ELLEN: Yes…yes!

KRIS: It is a living allegorical play.

ELLEN: Yes!

KRIS: And it is filled with signs and symbols and icons and archetypes of all kinds!

ELLEN: It’s amazing when…when you realize it and how many of us just go through life not…not really aware of it.

KRIS: Even your existence and the existence of all individuals is an allegory for the deeper existence displayed at the inner layers of self. And when you seek signs, you must be open to receive them.

ELLEN: Yeah. No matter what the message is!

KRIS: Indeed. Because the signs themselves already exist. They’ll most likely cause you to ask for them so that you can be in a receptive, open frame of mind. And those that ask for signs and say they never get them are simply blind to the very fact that the signs literally jump at them all the time! But they expect the signs to be in a manner that they will be comfortable with.

ELLEN: Yeah, yeah.

KRIS: Or that will not disrupt their pretty packaged views about life. Or only speak to them of pretty things.

ELLEN: Exactly. Oh…

KRIS: So they are not asking for signs. They want the Universe to validate them personally; and the Universe cannot validate any one single individual any more than it already does by the fact that an individual IS. (Emphatically) The very simple fact that the individual is, IS a validation — BY the Universe, OF the Universe, and FROM the Universe! But few people consider this.

ELLEN: Funny, I was watching this program on TV, it’s a new program. It’s something they call “reality TV”. Are you familiar with it?

KRIS: We know that it tries to imitate life, very nicely.

ELLEN: Something like that. They have a new program now, it’s called “Amish in the City.”

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: And uh, five young people — are you familiar with the Amish religion?

KRIS: Indeed

ELLEN: And they uh, they put them in the city — I believe it’s in Los Angeles — with 5 or 6 young city people. They’re all young adults. So they are exposing the Amish kids to city life and a lot of things that they’ve never seen. One day they were taken to the seashore, none of the Amish had seen the ocean. Most couldn’t even swim, but one of the Amish men was able to swim a little, at least a dog paddle, and they all went in the water. One of the city girls said to this Amish boy, “Let’s swim out and touch the buoy out there.”

So they swam out together and he became somewhat overcome by the ocean waves and he nearly drowned, and just managed at the last minute to um… the city girl noticed that he was in trouble and she reached out to him and helped him out.

Later on he was of course very distraught over the fact that he had nearly drowned, and he opened up his Bible later, he prayed and everything, and I thought, “Wow, the ocean had almost taken him over, almost, um… you know, overcoming him the way it did; it was like a metaphor for what he’s doing in life. He could easily be overcome by the outside world (he is exploring), outside of his Amish lifestyle.

KRIS: Now if you take this dramatization to another level…

ELLEN: Uh-huh.

KRIS: … and you temporarily suspend any disbelief on your part and accept that temporarily, you were viewing a dream; and that in this dream you were a character in that situation, how would you view the experience?

ELLEN: I thought about that. And it — it seemed like — if that were me…I would have to ask myself what is it that I am feeling completely overwhelmed by. What is it in my life that I could… that could cause me to “drown”?

KRIS: Indeed. And what kind of sign did you receive as an answer of some kind?

ELLEN: For myself — well, I didn’t see it as for myself — for him I thought it could be either… either the outside world could overcome him or it could be his own… religion overcoming him, if he goes back into what he knows.

KRIS: And if…

ELLEN: He could just as easily be swallowed up by it.

KRIS: And if you look at it from your own dream perspective, what kind of conclusions, even preliminary conclusions would you come to?

ELLEN: For myself?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Good question! (laughing)

KRIS: We wish you to ponder that.

ELLEN: I should. Because it hit me hard. It affected me, just watching what he went through.

KRIS: Indeed. Look back at the early to mid-90′s and your conflicts concerning the illness and the passing of your husband.

ELLEN: My husband. Yeah…

KRIS: And that there may still be the odd wave of that event still crashing upon the beach of your consciousness.

ELLEN: Bingo, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: (Laughter) Bingo, yeah…yeah. It’s been reverberating throughout my life for the last 10 years. As a matter of fact, as this 10th year… as I hit the 10th year since his death, it hit me again in a new way.

KRIS: And, you will now notice that the impact of this event is diminishing as any cycle eventually diminishes. And this is the end of that cycle.

ELLEN: 10 year cycles… The “Wheel of Fortune” year.

KRIS: It is a year of storms on many fronts.

ELLEN: Yeah, it truly is.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, what is the time?

ELLEN: The time is… it looks like 8:07.

KRIS: Indeed. May we be indulged and return Joseph to you?

ELLEN: You certainly may. This has been really great, Kris.

KRIS: And if you are so inclined, perhaps you might like to transcribe this and offer it…

ELLEN: I have every intention of doing so.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we thank you deeply for the opportunity to speak with you, to exchange with you; and pay attention to those small flashes, almost pinpoint-like flashes of light that may appear in the periphery of your vision.

ELLEN: Oh, yeah?

KRIS: These may indicate to you that sometimes our energy is visiting.

ELLEN: Wow…

KRIS: You have noticed them before.

ELLEN: I’ll be watching out for them.

KRIS: You have seen them before?

ELLEN: I think I have seen them before, yes.

KRIS: Now then, may all of your journeys, in vimanas or not, be most pleasant!

ELLEN: Thank you, Kris.

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