Brain Waves

August 30, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Alex (Darrolid)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 30, 2004.
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call: Serge, Sheila and Alex

NOTE: Before the session, we were talking about states of consciousness (alpha, beta, theta and delta).

Session Begins at 8:15pm

KRIS: Now, earlier on you were speaking about brainwave patterns, which are supposedly an concrete evidence of a certain type of action occurring at the level of the brain, as if the brain is generating specific wavelengths. In a certain manner, this type of adherence to the technicalities and the mechanisms can be somewhat misleading. The brain does not generate the brainwave patterns as much as it responds to cycles of activity at the level of consciousness as it’s registering those types of exchanges. Thus, it gives an indication that the consciousness is focused and active in areas other than direct sensory interaction.

In order for you to use your physical senses and register the energy patterns that allow you to see a table, other bodies, walls, a couch and all the paraphernalia or the props of physical reality, you need to have the brain register a specific set of these vibrations. Thus, there is an interaction between your sensory mechanism and your own personality and this is done through the brain, so the brain is sending and receiving those specific signals. As well, it is receiving the signals from all of the other individuals that are in the same environment as you are, physically speaking, so that there is a consensus perception so that, to a certain degree, you all agree on an overall shape and form in the dynamics of the props themselves.

There are other activities that are also simultaneously going on in the brain. Your machines do not yet have the capacity to register all of those brainwave patterns simultaneously. As we have indicated, there are others that your machines even are not able to recognize at all presently. Your brain is registering the signals and responding to the signals that also occur when you are in deep sleep states, what is commonly referred to as REM sleep or Rapid Eye Movement sleep.

Those also occur while you are awake but you are focused in a direct interaction between your senses and the objects of senses. So, the brain is less likely to bring up those signals as readily as when you are immediately focused but they still are being produced because there is another part of the self that is deeply involved in the same activities as when you are dreaming and in different stages of dreams. You dream 24hrs a day. You dream while you are awake and you dream while you are asleep. You are experiencing different types of dreams. So, it is possible to say that when you are interacting with the objects of the senses, you are experiencing beta sleep. This is another extension of dream states but you refer to it as physical, awaking reality.

ALEX: So, we’re dreaming now.

KRIS: Indeed but it is a different focus of a dream to the self. You, of course, being focus personalities, imagine that anything that occurs in other areas of your awareness is to be considered sleep and therefore, less vital and significant than sensory relationships. Do you understand?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: Therefore, the brain itself is responding to a variety of other signals but because you have no means of interpreting and no allowance for interpreting those other signals, you of course, are largely unaware of other brainwave patterns that can, for instance, lead you to directly interact with probable developments or realities adjacent to this one that you would consider less significant again because your senses are not directly interacting with those realities unless you develop the means to tap into and utilize and make the visits to those also significant realities. Do you understand?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: So, it is possible to have an extraordinary spectrum of brainwave patterns that allow you far more flexibility in consciousness to augment your reservoirs of relationships with reality other than the one where you interact through the senses. And they are each extremely valid but they are subjective. You consider this dream experience to be an objective, therefore, the real experience and thus, you kid yourselves and deny yourselves incomprehensible opportunities to truly gauge the depth of your own being and the validity of that being in other conditions and circumstances because you think that because they do not occur in objective reality but subjective reality and of course, everyone knows that subjective reality is tantamount to their imagination gone wild. Therefore, do not explore that domain too much less you lose your objectivity and yourself is swallowed in hysteria, something that psychiatrists delight in providing medications for. Now a days they have pills for everything.

ALEX: True.

KRIS: But they do not have pills to allow you to be. They have medication to help you conform to consensus being. So, here you have the preliminary foundation to explore far greater displays of the brainwave patterns than these little four (meaning beta, theta, alpha and delta).

ALEX: So, when Joseph is in the state that he is in right now, so that you can come through, is this a different state than the four that we know about?

KRIS: This, again, depends upon the needs of the material, the information and the interactions as well as the energy exchange. So, we can fluctuate from deep alpha to theta to delta to samma into rappa.

ALEX: In that order?

KRIS: Not specifically. There can be fluctuations from theta into rappa or rappa into alpha depending again upon the interactions. So, the whole gambit and so much more is available. There are no strict orders that you must go from this one to that one and then the third and then the fourth and only then you can go to another and another. It requires a certain amount of flexibility; a willingness to allow the flow and these may sometimes take years.

ALEX: I’ve had two encounters now with Chance but they’ve both been just as I’ve woken up, not in the dream state – well, in a physical dream state then. I was aware of my surroundings, I was aware of my animals, I was aware of my room. I’m thinking it was the alpha state but I’m trying to go further. Can you confirm that?

KRIS: We believe that such contacts have partial alpha but also delta. You have had remnants of these other interweavings into your consciousness. There are no strict rules in the guidelines that say that you cannot have this and that. Those that insist that such rules are paramount usually are unable themselves to experiment and flow in them to any degree.

This (doubt) also occurs with individuals who say they are exploring their consciousness but will only do so from the keyboard and look at statistics and graphs and refuse categorically to actually experience waking REM sleep or projections of consciousness because they feel then it will contaminate their research if they become subjectively involved. As the Scottish say, this is crap! And that is how they protect themselves without having to do any such experimentation. By the way there is no Scottish related brainwave patterns except perhaps in some.

Now, it is by experimentation that you learn to flow through and you learn to observe your own physical state that you learn about heartbeat, about breathing patterns, about REM patterns because it is impossible to notice from a slightly removed away from theta into the first stages of alpha even about eye movement which would indicate to you that this is a platform that can lead you either into theta or delta which requires observation and focus especially in the writing of your dreams. The remembering and the writing of dreams. Few individuals actually notice that when they are deeply involved in writing out a series of dreams from the night that they are accessing the dreams not only from purely beta recall but they are experiencing part of the dream so their own consciousness is tapping into the various brainwave patterns that existed at the time of the experience. Observation is a great teacher.

Does that make sense?

SHEILA: Definitely. I can see where that helped me a lot inside in developing trance. I kept a dream journal for a couple of years and the more I did that and worked with my dreams the better it got.

KRIS: Indeed. And to further such experimentation – though it is an excellent idea in order to get a full night’s sleep to remember dreams from which – every once in a while set aside a few nights whereby suggestions are given that you will awaken at least twice in the night to quickly jot down in point form or bullet form a few items from the dreams but specifically to pay attention to the states of consciousness from those to waking because it will bring the deeper consciousness slightly closer to your regular perception but not all the way and provide the opportunity for out of body projection or lucid dreaming as an excellent platform. So, every once in a while, this provides an excellent opportunity to spread one’s wings of consciousness.

ALEX: That sounds like a great exercise.

KRIS: Indeed.

SHEILA: I just found as I got older though that it’s getting more difficult for me to access both lucid dreaming and the out of body. Is that because I’m getting older or have I messed up somewhere?

KRIS: Indeed not. As an individual matures, specifically in terms of consciousness, a different focus is needed because you have moved into areas that might be considered away from the usual drop-off for your dream experiences or the usual reference point for out of body or lucid dream recollection. An example would be if you participate in a ride sharing to go to work. You meet your ride at that spot every morning Monday to Friday. Eventually, you might be hired in a better position. Your shift has changed. You get picked up at a different location and different time. Do you understand?

SHEILA: Uh-huh.

KRIS: Consciousness has allowed you to mature and you need to slightly reformulate the manner in which you connect with those aspects of yourself that engage in lucid dreams and out of bodies. A matter of observation will indicate to you where you need to make the smallest changes. Does that make some sense?

SHEILA: To a degree but not entirely.

KRIS: Indeed, you are accustomed to lucid dreams or out of bodies in a specific manner.

SHEILA: Right.

KRIS: But you’ve changed and the manner of those possibilities and those adventures likely have not. What we are suggesting is to notice with your changing, how your inner perceptions have also altered. Therefore, modify your point of takeoff, if you like, the manner in which you explore out of bodies and lucid dreams might also have been altered ever so much by just enough that you need to reorganize the manner in which you connect with those adventures. A matter of observation is all that is needed. Making the suggestions necessary to meet your ride at those new coordinates as opposed to the old ones.

SHEILA: Okay. I’ll give it a shot.

KRIS: Indeed.

SHEILA: I used to have a blast going out of body.

KRIS: Indeed. It is something we highly recommend to all individuals. It certainly enhances potentials and increases awareness. Those that are able to should take advantage of the opportunities, as it will lead them to recognize that much more of whom and what they are. Do you have some questions?

ALEX: Regarding this?

KRIS: Anything.

ALEX: Okay. I can’t think of any questions regarding this right now so I’ll just go on to the other part. Mark has a question. Mark can’t be here tonight, as you know so, he wanted us to ask if you have anything to elaborate on regarding the dream he had of his grandmother.

KRIS: His grandmother is a most interesting individual in that most members of the family would not see her in that light. She is indeed very intuitive. Unconsciously, she is aware of the transformations that have occurred in Philip (Mark) and especially that he is interested in being of assistance. Most of the members of the family see her only in the way they always have and are unwilling to modify their perceptions of her but Philip is willing to see her for more than she is. As such, she has a sent a signal that when her time comes to leave behind her old shell and to move beyond it, she has what she has always hoped for, someone to assist her.

She has an innate knowing that her personality is not to be extinguished. Now, she has a member of her family that also understands along the same lines. Though there is always some trepidation with leaving the physical form, for it has indeed been her home for some time, her home base. Now, she is readying herself for her new adventure and indeed Philip might be of assistance. So, she is not going to pass up the opportunity to have a friendly visit and some help in making that transition. So, he responded with this dream and one of the reasons is that whether Philip realizes this or not, he is a counterpart with her so the link is already established.

ALEX: Does she know this?

KRIS: She has no clue in those terms, but she has an awareness that there is a bond, that there is a type of sympathetic companionship that is not found with the other members of the family.

ALEX: She’s consciously aware of this?

KRIS: Only to a degree. She also has a sense that she is not to be extinguished at the point of transition. And she senses that Philip would also fully understand but no one else will. They would relegate this to she is simply a senile, old lady.

It would not be surprising if Philip had more dreams.

SHEILA: I wouldn’t be surprised either having gone through the experience I went through with my grandfather.

KRIS: Indeed.

SHEILA: Because I talked with him for about two years before he passed but I knew when he passed.

ALEX: (To Sheila) Did you help him in the same way?

SHEILA: Pretty much.

KRIS: There are many individuals in a family that actually have a certain portion of their awareness connected to all of the other members, unconsciously, telepathically or intuitively. They keep tabs on the others, thus knowing without knowing how they know, that something is wrong with Alex or Jack or Francis or that another member of the family is either in the process of passing or has passed and it is part of the social taboos that is still associated with these things. They don’t speak about them less they be considered the crackpot of the family and you are familiar with that.

SHEILA: Most definitely.

KRIS: Indeed. (To Sheila) You win the crackpot ribbon of the year.

There are always methods by which individuals know when the members of the families have a challenge. How does the mother know when her son has been shot half way around the planet, in wartime? And the knowing is so certain that they have already started the grieving and mourning of the loss of their child. They do not question but those who do are more perplexed. Your culture and society still considers the telepathic, intuitive self as the anomaly, as an abnormal state of being and they wish there were medications for that because that way everybody would be normal and when everybody is normal, one does not question the establishment. Everybody becomes sheep.

The most powerful experiences are those that are of the intuitive kind over and above any powerful, physical challenge. But because of the way in which your society still considers these experiences as taboo, the self has to create a bifurcation of consciousness.

ALEX: A what?

KRIS: A bifurcation. It basically has to split itself in two.

ALEX: Okay.

KRIS: There is the socially acceptable thing as in the Stepford Wives self and then there is the real thing; that is intuitive. That is still as scary for some people, as it was for ancient mariners afraid of falling off the edge of the world because the world was considered flat even when they had maps showing them the world was not so.

Thus when your culture begins to experience the whole self, an integrated self, one that is both rational intellectual, and simultaneously intuitive and emotional, then you have a complete individual. For those two different states need to be united, integrated. At present, your western society and culture and civilization are still schizophrenic in that respect. It suffers the consequences of its adamant, imposed ignorance but instead it could rejoice in the authenticity and the validity of its true self.

That is what is and what is is part of the process of individuation and maturation as you experience it now more and more in what is commonly called the shift of consciousness. Individuals are waking up to the revelation that there is more to their lives than they ever thought possible. This part of their lives is of an intuitive nature and it is much larger than anything they’ve ever been taught and there is no medication for it. It has to be experienced in order to be understood.

ALEX: This actually leads me into something that I think we should talk about tonight. I have one question for Joseph but it’s off this topic so, we’ll discuss this right now and then go for the other one, if that’s okay.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: I emailed Joseph suggesting we talk about Star people or Starseeds just because we talked about the Harmonic Convergence (it was mentioned in an earlier session) which took place, I think, in 1987 and other planetary alignments that they (please refer to the NOTE below regarding who I meant when I said ‘they’) said were part of this shift of consciousness and they said it would go through until 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar.

At that point, that’s the end of this whole enlightenment period. Starseeds people are people that are DNA enhanced, either part alien and part human or part something else and part human to bring about a shift in consciousness. These people are supposed to be extra talented in areas such as Joseph and I believe Sheila here as well. Is there truth to that?

NOTE: When I emailed Joseph, I attached an article called Spiritual Prophecy and Transformation, which I obtained from a website called the Star Center. It’s a resource website for what they call Lightworkers and Starseeds. It talked about the Harmonic Convergence that KRIS mentioned in an earlier session, in which KRIS said that the Convergence was an event that was to assist us in this shift. This article said the same thing. It went further, mentioning the fact that other planetary alignments also happened for the same reason. It also mentioned the Star seed/people concept.

KRIS: Now, we hate to disappoint the mythologies surrounding these notions. As you can well see neither of you have sprouted any antennae.

ALEX: Yet…

SHEILA: But I have had some very interesting experiences though.

KRIS: Indeed. This is a complex subject but we will try our best.

ALEX: Much appreciated.

KRIS: The human form has always contained far more potentials and capacities than ever explored and you experience these through the continual record-breaking adventures such as those that occur during the Olympics and many sports. You get glimpses of these when, for instance, a mother sees her infant about to be crushed by a car and will lift the car up. This is something that apparently is humanly impossible. There are many other such instances. There are other instances as well of telepathy that we described earlier to many degrees.

The notion that Star children have come here from foreign worlds to help lead human kind into another paradise, a golden age, is a rather naïve and literalist interpretation of something far different, that actually belongs to the realm of essence. Thus, when such experiences are considered alien to your regular self, then it is an easy jump for the literalist mind, the orthodox mind, to say that it must be of alien origins but in reality the self, the whole self, you may call it Over Soul, Higher Self, Inner Self, Super Self, Essence has and contains all of the capacities to gradually lead the individual and human form into exploring more and more of it potentials.

But that also has to take into consideration the consensus reality that you live in. As to claims of individuals who will activate your DNA and bring you into the other sphere of fourth level of seventh dimension and so on and so forth, these are in themselves highly exaggerated and again, literally naïve. Your human DNA as your scientists have mapped it out is only a fraction of its potential. They themselves, the scientists, have only now begun to realize they’ve barely scratched the surface, even with the human genome as it is presently mapped and understood. To their great surprise they thought they would have a finished product. Here it is on a plate and there it is for all to see. Only to discover that the double helix contains other helixes that contain potentials far beyond their understanding at this point in time.

And it is natural to the human personality. It is not necessarily because so and so comes from another planet. There have been no cases medically and scientifically where DNA itself is not of this world but they are now discovering that human DNA, the human genome is only partially recognized and understood, as we said, to their great surprise. Within the human DNA structure are all of the blueprints for innumerable possibilities that are encoded and that give you humans with certain abnormalities, that give you animals, when it comes to animals, that give you animals with apparent abnormalities, that give you folks with two heads, calves with two head, snakes with two heads and so on and so forth, not necessarily because it has been strictly contaminated by radioactivity or other such toxins such as a surplus of pesticides and other toxic substances but the DNA will react to the elements and create conditions that can provide the potentials for future possibilities. Not that there will be humans born with two heads but that sometimes it is so, as in the case of Siamese twins. Some modification of the DNA structure and the genetic makeup create a different type of individual but to say that aliens come here and change your DNA is somewhat farfetched. You do get visits from other beings but they are not going to be your next saviors as much as some cults would like them to be.

ALEX: What are they visiting for?

KRIS: Why would you visit a foreign country?

ALEX: To explore.

KRIS: Indeed. Many such visitors do not necessarily travel in vehicles as much as the manner in which you, telepathically, perceive their presence causes your physical senses to interpret their energy patterns, sometimes in the shape of unidentifiable vehicles. Others have the means to be partially visible to your eyes when they travel out of body. Just as in some of your out of body explorations, you might be visible or partially visible to some. You may consider some of them as ghostly apparitions just as some individuals may consider you in out of body states as ghostly apparitions. There may very well be in other systems stories of ghostly visits by Alex or stories of the ghost of Sheila . It is important to keep in mind that all of the fairy tales that you hear are not necessarily factual but that may contain information that is not allowed because it does not conform to the ideas of those who make the perceptions.

ALEX: So, in other words, the Starseeds are our way of trying to rationalize a shift.

KRIS: Indeed. There are your rationalizations even of your Essence. Many people that catch a glimpse or even an impression of their own source of being find such a notion so alien that it is immediately translated into alien content. Your news media does have a role to play in this and, again, you live first and foremost in a telepathic, intuitive Universe as the true state of your being. Perceptions experienced in those states often are difficult to translate into physical terms or sensory data. You do not have specific references so therefore you categorize them as unidentifiable or alien. So, do not look about for little green children but look about for yourselves.

Now, what is the time?

ALEX: 9:04pm

KRIS: Indeed. Then we suggest a small break.

Break at 9:04pm.

NOTE: During the break SHEILA was commenting that she had a different take on little green men and that based on her experience, she really believed they were real. KRIS immediately jumped back in.

Break ends at 9:12pm

KRIS: Now, do keep in mind that we did not say that all such perceptions are fabrications because you do get visits. Many times, the energy may appear to you and to your physical senses in a manner that makes sense but at the same time there are experiences within the spectrum of human existence that do not yet have interpretations and you do have contacts with individuals who may even be part of your own essence that have their existences in other worlds. You do have other focuses that are always and only human though you have the majority of them.

Many individuals have focuses that indeed exist in other systems. Almost all solar systems in various sectors of the galaxy have at least one or two worlds that are habitable and that have humanoid form to one degree or another. Though there are forms of life that would also not be detected to your human senses or even to instruments per se because they are literally out of phase with range of detections allowed to your human senses that does not mean they do not exist. Just as it does not mean that your other focus personalities do not exist because you do not sit at the dinner table with them.

You have to keep a certain openness to experiences because some can be quite different than the norm and some individuals are contacted by life forms that are literally quite alien to your perceptions. They are perceived as alien because you are unfamiliar, unfamiliar with the true expanse of existence. When they come to you or you come face to face with them, they might indeed be as surprised as you are to think that you can perceive them. Sometimes they perceive you before you have any notion of their presence.

In the scope of reality, your slice of existence is indeed just that and yet that slice is filled with such enormous potential that a hundred million lifetimes would not be sufficient to explore all of the possibilities that are found within this one dimension of existence. Imagine then the scope of experiences available to you and the self through the entire spectrum of reality. In worlds and dimensions and realities you have no notion of. Do you have questions?

SHEILA: They would border into getting very personal so I would rather not pursue them at this point in time.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other questions?

ALEX: (Off topic) There was a statement that was made to Joseph and the statement was, “this is moving into essence as opposed to remembering essence.” Now, this was whispered into Joseph’s (Serge’s) ear on the subway one day in regards to his stepfather John. Can you elaborate on that?

KRIS: Indeed. Though Philip and Joseph have pondered the possibility that the stepfather perhaps was moving to the state of essence, our perception is instead that the experience itself was more akin to various states of essence when it enables focus personalities – and enable is not an appropriate word – but when the state of essence is recognized and healing occurs. By dropping, letting go of, which you also allow as healing of past wounds regardless of the source that afflicted the wounds or the individual or the nature of wounds afterwards. When there is a letting go then that is a movement of essence, an action. Momentary, Joseph experienced a very mild state of essence itself by recognizing the nature of relationship with his stepfather as well as letting go of all hindrances that he may have adhered to even after the fact.

You can say in a manner of speaking then not that this was causal to the computer malfunction but the computer malfunction reflected a need to renew the equipment that allows the computer to function. Just as recognizing this movement into essence, this moving into essence indicated a renewal of those two focus personalities that played the game of the abuse for whatever reasons they established at that time and have now moved beyond it. Do you understand?

ALEX: I understand.

KRIS: This in its own way is significant and will continue to unfold just as the blossom keeps unfolding. What is the time?

KRIS: It is 9:21pm.

KRIS: Indeed. If you have no more questions. You are certain you have no more questions?

SHEILA: Oh, I have many questions. I just don’t think it’s the appropriate time to ask them.

KRIS: Indeed then. We will leave you both in the original state of your own essence and for you both to deal with that. May the rest of your week be indeed pleasant and peaceful and truthful.

ALEX and SHEILA: Thank you.

End of session.

Soundlets 3

August 23, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Paul T. (Antolian)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, August 23, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call (California night): Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Alex (Darrolid), Jene (Mildor), Paul H. (Janaki), Dan, Jo (Rosalie), Bobbi (Lillith), Paul T. (Antolian), Gail (Sofia)

Session starts at 7:50 PM.

KRIS: So we thank you all for your lovely presences, those near and those far; those friends that can be seen and those that cannot but that certainly can be heard. And though no one in this room can SEE your presence, obviously technology has provided an instrument through which your presence can be acknowledged. And through this wonder of technology it is easy to understand that you have your being and your existence even though you are nothing more than the reverberation in the back of a telephone.

And as such, we wish to briefly continue our discussion of soundlets as theoretical blueprints of consciousness within your reality and within many others, and just as your presence is indicated by the technological advent of the telephone for it could even be live centre feed for any other instruments and implements of technology, it provides the possibility for you to straddle more than one geographical location simultaneously. And if this telephone were appropriately set up for a third party call, then perhaps someone in Germany or Europe or Asia could also participate and their presence would also be known to you, as yours to them. And you would all obviously then be in many places at once. And similarly with those units of consciousness we have specified as soundlets produce their effect in simultaneous realities, giving foundational blueprints for the creation of pre-matter as you understand it, which leads to the formulation of matter as well as the formulation of post-matter for all intents and purposes.

These soundlets then provide the opportunities for your states of mind, for your consciousness and your presence to enter into the reality that is created in terms of matter as you understand, even though you have your existence well above and beyond those specific parameters. And though we are not necessarily fond of the word vibration because of its rather ‘woo-woo’ connotations with your so called new age phenomenon, still the word would be consistent because there is a manipulation of energies as it is transformed into matter so that you can experience a very specific and concentrated range of given actions through the auspices of matter as you know, even though you have your existence well beyond that range of matter.

The soundlets provide the necessary tools which with your energies build up and transform consciousness into living action as it is incorporated through and with your physical bodies and all of what is the reason and the intent for your physical forms or your focus personalities. And embedded within these soundlets are concepts that you then study and experiment with to one degree or another and lead those experimentations through the auspices of your convictions, your emotions, your feelings, and the whole tone and range of tonalities that are part and parcel of being yourself, as essence and as focus personality, an expression of essence.

Further embedded within these blueprints of soundlets are additional concepts that you interpret, within the given range allowed you within the parameters of physical expression and experience. And while, of these the most important of all, is what you experience as love in all of its forms including erotic or Eros-love, love of a parent for child, mother for child, child for parent, of lover and beloved; even to the extreme range of that experience when instead of lover beholds the beloved in affection then the individual holds the ‘enemy’ in concentration.

Your experience of that state of awareness is the interpretation you have come to experience within this sphere of physical interaction even though you know that, behind the scenes of all of the props and the forms within matter, there is still an even greater concept to ‘love’ that you have directed your focus into the expression of reality as you live it on a daily basis as the means to understand the very unique, specific, extraordinary experimentation in the concept of love giving those faculties you have to work with, given those convictions that you have to use for your experiences.

So love as you express, experience and live it, is indeed not necessarily a thing but a state of grace that you CANNOT do without and that you cannot deny, but you certainly have the right to not perceive it, and it imbues all of consciousness. It provides you with the fuel necessary to continue your joyous explorations of reality creation from the simplest to the most complex of the personality structures given you within the framework of reality both in the past, in the present, and in your tomorrows, because love brings about the state of eternal present.

And though someone may try to ignore love in any of its expressions, even the denial and the ignoring of it requires an acknowledgment of it. But a refusal due to beliefs or convictions in the manner that eventually can prove harmful to the entity, if corrective steps are not taken to heal those situations that cause discomfort in the presence of love, which will be everywhere.

We will give you a short pause. There are some activities in the background that are occurring, and Joseph needs a breather momentarily.

Break starts at 8:04 PM.

(Conversations at Break: Everyone was wondering what was going on behind the scenes. Serge said that he thought it had something to do with a sort of waking dream he had just before falling asleep the night before.

SERGE: I could see myself sitting in the chair talking for Kris but there were sounds coming out of my arms and different parts of my body and I was rocking left and right a little bit. Just about an hour ago I felt a huge acceleration of energy and it was funny because it was simultaneously trying to pull me away or to another place but also really concentrating me where I was. It was like a DUAL state at that time. It has not really left and Kris is really strong, I guess.

MARK to ALEX: Did you notice the hands? I’ve never seen him do that before.

ALEX: Hi this is Alex. Mark was just commenting on that when Serge was Kris he was moving his hands quite dramatically, more than he usually does.

MARK: He was doing this rubbing motion with his finger tips, with his thumb on top of his finger tips. It was fairly constant that would accelerate then decline, accelerate then decline.

PAUL: Serge is getting a real personal experience of these soundlets then.

ALEX: Yes. Hopefully Kris will explain it when he comes back but that’s what I think is going on.

PAUL: Yes and this happened a lot with Jane. She would get a conceptualization of the material and then she would of course write about it in her book.

VARIOUS PEOPLE commented on feeling the energy exchange as stronger than before.)

Return from break at 8:12 PM. (15:07)

KRIS: Indeed, the exchange with Joseph has been building up in a different manner of late which picked up momentum over the last twenty-four hours. So we are simply following through because Joseph is on his own, unconsciously, searching his awareness to try and grasp some of the concepts we are presenting. Specifically concerning soundlets and what exists behind the scenes, behind the expression of the words, what exists to give the words their meanings, the intent, the drive that generates the formulations and the material itself.

As we have explained, soundlets are indeed a true blueprint upon which so many foundations are laid. And out of which different species, consciousnesses, and civilizations of being take their root and manifest into various versions of your realities, all at once. Even when you have no idea that such potentials exist. Even when you think that what you see and detect with your eyes and other physical senses is all there is to see and hear and touch and behold, what each of you beholds with the complex organism that expresses your focus is a direct extension of whom and what you are in every aspect of the word.

Those manifestations, whether you call them the natural world, cities, forests, mountains, the Earth, planets, birds, bees, these are partial expressions still of what you are. And from deep within the core of self, of essence, there is a specific expression of, an iota, a simple particle of soundlets that gives rise to all of what you are and through your corporeal expression is an extension of that inexpressible power and energy that even a million suns cannot outshine. Such is the energy and power of within your being.

You give it expression, you speak it when you formulate a word, sounds, and you are not aware then of the entire alphabet of your being both as essence, and as a focus, and as the many focuses that all together still do not make up the sum total of your essence. And that melodiously express a large incomprehensible symphony of this soundlet concept. And even when you produce a sound through your throat and your mouth you are barely aware of the power of that expression, thinking it is merely a few words and that words may have some kind of meaning without realizing that you are furthering the creation process because your words are themselves extensions of massive waves of communications from deep within essence coming through you at any specific time as the source of your being and power.

You have structured your words in and with syntax that your social structures afford you and teach you without realizing that all of these structures and all of the words and all of the syntaxes are constructed upon a larger psychological body that may not be so neatly and cleanly and grammatically and syntactically perfect in that sense of the word. And it may come as a deeper sound that you do not hear as well as the sounds that you hear. Different cultures have managed and some have now lost their understanding but many cultures have managed to understand that there are also sounds produced that do not make sound, that exist between the sounds that are not heard that give form and shape to the sounds that are heard. And if you could hear sounds formulated in a non-syntactical manner it might even confuse you, it might not sound well to your ears because you are not accustomed to it.

One such demonstration of producing sounds that are non-syntactical was given by Ruburt with his Sumari singing. And though we have briefly touched upon this in the past, it is difficult for many individuals to tap into a similar pool of awareness and altered state that would enable the production of such sounds even if not as delicately done by Rupert.

The other families of consciousness that can also intonate their sounds whether they belong in your cluster or another such as our own, for all of these things exist so suspended within the realities structured of the concept of soundlets within the blueprints themselves. And have their growth and their perceptions and manifestations based upon those blueprints.

Sound as you know it is the result of actions of activities that may even be the non-physical, non-visible, but only the presence of those non-physical, non-visible activities can be known because of the effects they give in your dimension as the sounds YOU know. There are other ranges that are not detectable yet and there are other sound structures that may indeed come and touch you deeply in terms of energy projection. And though it may not necessarily be pretty in the sense that you normally associate with singing, these sounds also have deep embedded values that circumvent even the neurological pathways you have established and reach deeply within other kinds of neurological pathways that still circulate within your own human brain.

Ah, Joseph is willing now to step outside of the kinds of boxes even HE normally steps outside of. Now, if such sounds were intonated you might be able to reverberate wherever you find yourself, when you hear such things like…

Here Kris intonates a series of notes which to my ear were reminiscent of North American Indian chanting but without any type of words behind the notes. Listen for yourself here (click on the square – for Real Player only):

Now we’ll not carry this much further for the time being lest Joseph object to those funny voices coming out of his mouth. But, these kinds of sounds, at least can be considered as unusual and can be used and have been used, in the foundations of even civilizations that give birth to unique concepts.

So what is the time?

MARK: 8:30

KRIS: We will give Joseph another small, well deserved pause.

Break starts at 8:30 PM.

(Conversations at Break: Prior to Kris chanting many people felt distracted in some way due to the deep trance. Those that were distracted commented on how the chant changed that and brought them into focus.

Alex commented that she wondered why he picked the sounds that he did. Was he actually ‘saying’ something? Paul said that he wondered what the actual tones were.

Serge asked everyone how they felt as a result of the chant and Jo commented that she felt as if SHE was being tuned. There were comments about feeling recharged as well).

Return from break at 8:40 PM.

KRIS: Now, in case you are wondering what this was about, the intent was to provide a certain means by which you yourselves would be able to resonate when certain sound intonations are directed your way so that you could observe and comprehend how your own body itself CONTAINS sounds that will react in a manner, when these types of non-linear sounds are produced. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL H: Non-linear sound is a tough one but I think with soundlets that’s where you’re going with this. It’s hard to conceptualize it.

KRIS: Indeed. As it is difficult to verbalize such concepts that are normally not perceived in your reality, but still exist. But the sounds that we managed to produce through Joseph’s vocal cords required a specific state that dipped deeper in samma brainwaves and at the same time enabled the projection of the energy within it even to the other side of the continent, and even if the telephone mildly distorted the vibration you still felt its energetic effects, correct?

PAUL H: That was a… when Serge and you were doing that, and Serge’s brain slipped into a ‘samma’ wave pattern to access those tones.

KRIS: Indeed and if you pay attention to where you were each drawn to subjectively, it was a direct result of the energetics going through the sound and reverberating with your own consciousness. For each of you experienced an individual transfer and exchange of energy as you can accommodate to one degree or another. Does that make sense to you (Castaic group), as well as in this room?

PAUL H: All of us here in the room were talking about that during the break.

KRIS: So the sounds themselves can, as you have all correctly perceived, be understood as a means to bring about a type of tuning to your biological self. Now if you also notice that it had this psychological effect as well and your bodies, physically speaking, feel somewhat different and even lighter for the sounds also run the gambit of the gateway system so that there is an inner resonance as well as an outer physical resonance. Do you follow?

PAUL H: Yes.

MARK: I noticed during the break Jo commented on it acting as a tuning device and somebody else actually mentioned gateways on the break as well.

JO: So I would appreciate it if you would consider doing a lengthy recording of that so we could put out a CD because I could listen to that for hours.

KRIS: This can be accomplished. It would require a bit more practice to enable Joseph to be comfortable accessing those states. Even though subjectively he might think everyone’s now gone off their rocker, (laughter) including HIMSELF, but it can be accomplished and the effects will be demonstrated.

Some ancient civilizations and cultures of your world whom did not have various types of technologies and instruments to produce sound waves that would enable them, for instance to move large stones, would also use this type of or something very similar to this type of intonation to alter certain types of physical construction structures on a smaller scale. But most specifically to introduce these types of sounds into an individual’s body that may be out of alignment energetically as a result of which would come about the manifestations of certain illnesses and conditions.

Over many millennia, some of these traditions were eventually diluted and reduced to some of the chants practiced in native cultures and other groups with musical instruments which could still have an effect but whose original roots would have been lost to history as you know it. And today your society is beginning to rediscover the applications of sound intonations for individual well being. Some have also, as in Antolian’s tool (note: it is actually Jim’s tool) he has formulated an interest using sound machines that produce the proper vibration for healing different body parts.

But still these sounds can be cultivated and studied and used. Certain ancient Bon traditions have evolved into Buddhist traditions that use sounds in a slightly different but effective manner as well though it is mostly used now for religious purposes though there was a time when they were used for purposes of well being. But as we believe, the Kyoto monks still practice today. Is this correct? Perhaps someone in California would know?

MARK: Kyoto monks?

PAUL H: I don’t.

DAN: I heard one of their chants.

PAUL H: I’ve heard the Buddhists, some of their different… I don’t know the exact name, maybe I have actually heard it, its that beautiful deep low tones, a very guttural sort of (he makes a low tone that sounds amazingly like an Australian didgeridoo) and thirty folks doing that so they actually get… the harmonics are focused in the major chords and it’s a deep meditative state is achieves and it’s a type of singing. They toured with the Grateful Dead I think, was connected with them and helped bring them over and get them exposure, so anyway something that we’ve heard of.

KRIS: These monks have from childhood practiced and developed the ability to use different sets of vocal chords simultaneously to create a very unique harmonics within their throat. It is called throat singing. This is an offshoot of an ancient science.

PAUL T: Kris, this is Antolian. There was a book which was reputedly fiction but appears to be based in fact called “Mutant Message from Down Under” where there was a case of healing a broken leg using sound. Would that be an example of this sort of singing, for lack of a better word?

KRIS: Indeed. Very few aboriginal people even today remember this ancient science. And much of it is also an offshoot of practices cultivated in the ancient Vedic civilization with the use of mantras, many of which have now been turned into religious edifices and ceremonial performances. These are the remnants of something far more intricate.

PAUL H: This is Paul again. In the first Oversoul Seven book there’s an example of this inner sound where in the Valley of the Speakers they gather around and through intention manipulate some kind of inner sound and literally build a stone house. I’m assuming that’s an example of what we’re talking about. And also we have the technology through synthesizers or whatever to simulate these rich human tones but there’s also intentionality behind the tone. Meaning I could just press a key on a synthesizer with no intention to do anything and in effect would not be a healing or tuning or even a manipulation of matter effect, right? So, I’m asking about the nature of human, the essence, the consciousness focus personality’s intent behind directing and receiving these sounds.

KRIS: Indeed. Though the synthesizer may produce something approaching it there is still a certain degree of reverberation within the physical bodily cavity adding to the energy and the intent the synthesizer cannot reproduce. The intent does have the determining factor. And if you had, for instance, one hundred individuals gathered together producing such altered states and sounds you would very quickly gather that they would all fall within range of each other because they would function as a melding of a unit quickly. And the unified sound would be extremely intense. But it would most likely even produce the effect of the sending some individuals on the peripheries or the outside of this group into out of body states. And have a definite effect perhaps upon the most subtle of physical matter constructions. But eventually with practice in large groups a certain degree of telekinetic influence can be produced. And with even more practice those who intone can add essence mind to the production opening specific portals of consciousness that can even allow brief momentary openings into other dimensions. Do you follow?

PAUL T: Oh yeah. Are you going to teach us how to do it?

PAUL H: We’ve got a group here. (laughter)

MARK: Kris, I’m wondering about the Tam-Tam in Montreal. Even though it’s not vocalization its percussion, but this event that happens every year, every weekend in Montreal where everybody is on the side of the mountain with a percussion instrument of sorts, all of them become one unit and if you’re in the area, in the VICINITY of this beat, it is such a wonderful, wonderful feeling.

KRIS: Indeed, it does transport all of those in the vicinity. The effects can be tremendous when it is directed intonation with intent. For instance, even though the instruments were not voice, Nicola Tesla demonstrated that with consistent, persistent, constant tapping on one specific spot the reverberations were felt as much as one, if not two, miles away. This is in his writings.

MARK: Wow.

KRIS: We are not speaking here of taking something the size of a mountain to hit with. We are talking of something only a few inches across. So the sound spread through physical and non-physical atmospheres. And so these intonations can have a far reaching effect if they were, for instance, intonated by a group and even broadcast to a larger audience. Imagine the sound we produced magnified to a factor of ten, where you might be at this moment. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

PAUL H: I don’t know, I was just also thinking of a Grateful Dead concert or a Fish concert where the sound energy and people there, their intention is different. Their intention is pleasurable and fun and there is an altered state, so it’s not the same as moving matter or doing something else. But I’m sure in a lot of those situations there are some rather paranormal effects going on that no ones even noticing because they’re in their own zone in those times.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H: What’s your perspective on some of those concerts, Kris?

KRIS: Some individuals, and there are always some who are not stoned out of their gourds (wild laughter), that notice alterations of perceptions, even out of body projections if they catch the right wave. And the energy generated by such large crowds can only add to the momentum.

JO: Kris, what about the Beatles phenomenon? It’s that the energy seems to be something deep and resonant about that. I know it’s a little bit different in the experiences live. But, can you comment on how it relates to what you were just saying?

KRIS: Now, even though they were all charming it was not necessarily the cause of their haircuts, (laughter) but they basically broke with tradition. They helped the culmination of this movement to go beyond the regular manner in producing music and sounds, especially with in-your-face live experience songs that spoke to the new generation. They brought to the forefront a new manner of understanding and marrying self with music in a way that the new generation was more than ready to accept. They needed, as much as the Beatles and that whole phenomenon needed each other. They were part of the process and because of their avant-garde nature of their ability to reach the ordinary individual in that specific way, they crossed and overcame boundaries and they helped introduce into your system a totally different manner of relating living experiences and music phenomenon together. It was no longer like listening to Burt Bacharach or The Classics, but it became a vital, immediate expression through music of the everyday man and woman. But it helped create an entire generation of new sounds that are still felt today and will be felt for decades more to come. Does that make sense to you?

JO: It seems as though it, to me, couldn’t have been accomplish if the tone of the music and the melody hadn’t been what it was. If there was a lot of…some logical reasons but it wouldn’t have been accomplished if their music had been different.

KRIS: Indeed. They literally stumbled upon something that would tap into the psychic energy, the vibrant energy, of that generation and give it an expression, an outlet. So the Beatles were as much a phenomenon of their fans as the fans would have reacted to the phenomenon of the Beatles. Does that make sense?

JO: Yes. Thank you.

MARK: Kris, I have a question. I can’t remember what year it was, but all the planets aligned and large groups on the planet that did that harmonic chant with intent that after the fact was dismissed as a bunch of rubbish. But, did that actually have an effect?

KRIS: We believe that you are speaking of that so called Harmonic Convergence?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Was this in 1987?

MARK: Could be. To the best of my knowledge.

JEAN: 1986.

JO: Jean says its 1986.

KRIS: Indeed.

JEAN: I was there. I did it.

JO: Maybe you would like to demonstrate. (Laughter)

KRIS: Though eventually there were many distortions and colossal ventures set up upon that idea, this planetary alignment was rare in your lifetimes and did bring about a psychological influence which helped to step up, accelerate, awareness in a certain manner. And though it eventually became dismissed as a fad of the moment, the effects were indeed TANGIBLE to a certain degree. Observe some of the nature [of] world events within months afterwards, even years afterwards.

PAUL H: The Berlin wall came down, I never though I’d live to see that change happen.

KRIS: It was, we believe, the beginning of the end of the Cold War, correct?

PAUL H: Yes.

KRIS: Many other more subtle events occurred but to categorically dismiss it as nothing but a fad is not entirely justifiable. Whenever there are such phenomenons and coming together of the groups of people, large groups of people, with the common intent there are always subtle shifts of consciousness, steps leading towards more and more changes of perceptions and awareness.

For instance, if a group of one hundred individuals tapped into the same intonations we produced and instead directed the sounds through intent, through essence, directly into the collective psychological body of humankind, as opposed to into a storm or into a wall there could be observable results over several months and perhaps even years. You would certainly not see major world events. You would certainly see an acceleration, a quickening, in some changes that would still be considered significant. And this is a much larger step out from two or three people who gather and hold hands and wish everyone some nice things. This is a powerful intent driven process that could have transformational repercussions if say you had one hundred groups of one hundred individuals at different places around the world directing the intent and the intonation into the collective of their areas, connecting to all others, you would see differences.

We believe one group did make some small attempts to introduce something similar. We believe the TM people with the Maharishi tried in establishing small centers and had a group of people meditate, elevating the consciousness of the areas, which even they were successful to a small degree. Do you follow?

PAUL H: I heard about a twenty five percent drop in the homicide rate in Washington DC. It was on a movie (What the Bleep Do We Know), I’m not sure if that was fact or a Hollywood fact, but they did the meditation in that area and said only two feet of snow prevented, lowered the homicide rate during the summer in DC and yet during that action it reduced significantly. Interesting coincidence.

KRIS: Indeed, there are phenomenal projects that can be undertaken and the act because there is a collective belief in the ineffectiveness of such a thing there are resistances set up, even by those who practice them, but by feeling the direct results is a great step in bringing about change. Change is not only afforded through politics and religions and group lobbies but they all have a vested interest. For if a change is intended for the sheer well being that comes from the change itself, then more individuals are apt to allow it into their lives because they too become part of that change.

What is the time?

MARK: Quarter after nine.

KRIS: Do you have any questions in the land of the sun?

PAUL T: This is Antolian, I have a quick one. I have the impression that you, Kris, perhaps not in this time framework but within linear time, have approximately four hundred focuses of attention in the Taaj cluster. Is that a correct impression?

KRIS: It is very good. Very close. But at present experience of time and space we have none. We have projected expressions and in large numbers as such for a variety of reasons sometimes simply to enjoy the experiences of friends or along with friends, in other times to acquire additional information. But your approximation is very good.

PAUL T: Thank you. I also had an impression that we shared a past time framework focus, I believe it was in China and I contacted it at the point where we both old men playing, I believe Mahjong, and the phrase that came to mind was, “Much talk and little action.”

KRIS: Ah, but never underestimate a good Mahjong player. (Laughter) Now, we have mentioned to Philip that we do not encounter someone we do not know. In other words, all individuals that we have contact with we know of, in one manner or another and the spectrum of those manners is wide indeed.

PAUL T: It is. Thank you.

KRIS: And have you taken the time to observe the time period approximately?

PAUL T: Um, the impression that popped in would be about 1410.

KRIS: But did you specify AD or BC? (Laughter) Think of…

PAUL T: I believe it would be AD though.

KRIS: Think of the ancient Chinese pyramids, for there are pyramids in China.

PAUL T: So the implication is that it’s 1400 BC?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL T: I guess we go a ways back. (Laughter)

KRIS: As any good old Chinaman would know. (Laughter) And by the way, you always left some rice in your beard. (Wild laughter)

PAUL T: Well, that would explain the humor that I find in the focus name of Gow Pai.

KRIS: Repeat again.

PAUL T: I believe that my focus name was Gow Pai?

KRIS: We believe the full pronunciation would be Gow Pan Chi.

PAUL T: Excellent. I’m speaking in the context [of], it sounds way too much like our common vernacular of Cow Pie.

KRIS: Mind you…

PAUL T: The rice in the beard makes sense.

KRIS: …you had a cousin, another old geezer that made some cash finding buffalo patties to sell in homes.

PAUL T: And it payed off?

KRIS: And you and he always argued because it was important to try and better the other, to best the other simply for argument’s sake, because you were both too old to have any other kind of arguments. You were rather comical.

PAUL T: Ah, it’s nice to have those fun focuses.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, we will bid a good evening to you all and may all of your bowls of rice be forever bottomless.

ALL: Thank you.

(This is NOT the end of the session. Break starts at 9:22 PM.)

(Conversations at Break: Mark asked Antolian how he knew that. Paul T. responded by saying that he gets impressions that he has learned to trust. He gets them without meditation but a certain amount of quietness helps.

PAUL H: Elias is also big with impressions. He created, very early on something that he calls “The Game”. It was a big deal for the first couple of years for those of us who just came into orbit at that time. The idea of learning to recognize and identify impressions and of course having Elias to say which points were less probable and which were true. When you are laying quiet in a dream state meditation all of this stuff comes to you and you just keep it in your waking consciousness then you talk to either Elias or Kris about it and just offer it up.)

(Return from break at 9:24 PM.)

KRIS: Indeed these are excellent methods to capture the unofficial information or line of consciousness that is so readily dismissed by many individuals because it does not fit into preconceived notions of time and space and reality and seem to have no basis in the world of facts. But the world of subjectivity, the world of the unofficial line of consciousness indeed can and DOES contain vast amounts of information that far outstrips any combined computer system and networks upon your entire world many times over. And even though this unofficial information might seem very distant from the real world, you do not have the major portion of your existence in the real world as much as you have a large portion of yourself in the unofficial world.

So when you ALLOW and it has to do with allowing, those impressions to come to the surface so you can take a snapshot, a note, then indeed it does transform your perception. And it does lead you to discover not only the true nature of reality but of self. For what is self? How do you determine whom and what you are? Merely by your driver’s license and credit cards? That is not self, that is an expression of self only. The self is so much more. And by allowing these impressions to come to the surface, to make themselves known to your mind, then you DISCOVER that you are sometimes, like some, a chief or an old Chinese man who can’t pick the rice out of his beard and sometimes you discover that you are others as well and you have all of your being as the true reality. Now we simply wanted to throw that in. (laughter)

DAN: Kris, do you have time for one more question?

KRIS: Indeed.

DAN: Dan, by the way, I spoke to you the other day.

KRIS: Please ask.

DAN: My friend had a lost dog. It’s a ten year old beagle. They live on a hundred and thirty acre ranch, and they don’t know if he has gone off to die. So I was wondering if you knew anything about that.

KRIS: Whom is your friend?

DAN: Their names are Will and Jennie (I purposefully left out the last name), and their dog’s name is Hank.

KRIS: Where are they? Where is the ranch?

DAN: Fillmore, which is not far from here.

KRIS: When did Hank go?

DAN: They say it’s been over a week since they’ve seen him. I don’t have the exact date.

KRIS: Our feeling is that Hank was not healthy. Can you confirm?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: Is this correct?

DAN: Yes, I think they mentioned that he was losing his hearing.

KRIS: Presently we still sense that energy but we do not believe that it will remain in its form for more than another two or three days. That dog is sick and may well not want to leave its place. Is there a small ravine on that property?

DAN: Yes, they call it the reservoir.

KRIS: Have they searched that area properly?

DAN: I don’t believe so.

KRIS: At present our sense is that Hank is near there but somewhat near a fallen tree trunk that has a cavity in it near this ravine.

DAN: Okay.

KRIS: That does not guarantee that Hank will be there by tomorrow.

DAN: Okay.

KRIS: For the time being that is all that we sense.

DAN: All right, thank you.

KRIS: You’re welcome. Now then, we will allow you to enjoy your own impressions of self in any way it comes to you and enjoy yourselves as the party animals you all are and do have a most pleasant evening.

ALL: Thank you.

(Session ends at 9:32 PM.)

(End Note: Hank the dog was not found)

NOTE from Marcy Singer – after listening to the chant and the one Kris did for her private session:

“I listened to them both just a minute ago and now i’m shaking like a leaf, although it’s mostly internally, as if all the particles in my body have suddenly become ‘excited’, for lack of a better word. The movement of energy through my body is quite intense. Now I understand what he means when he talks about acceleration of vibration. This is amazing.

The session chant sounded VERY much like some of the tapes I heard at the local Buddhist monastery when I used to take classes there. They had tapes of groups of monks chanting in a kind of monotone, although there were often fluctuations to other ‘notes’ of the scale, but not many. Mostly one tone. The way his voice kind of ‘lilted’ into one of the tones was exactly how the monks did it as well. Remarkable”.

Private Session for Don from USA

August 21, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Don
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 21, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: Ah we trust today, that you are comfortable?

DON: Yes

KRIS: And you can hear well?

DON: Yes, volume is just fine.

KRIS: Indeed. Now?

DON: Yes, you’re coming through real good. Can you hear me?

KRIS: Indeed. Now, we believe that you have some questions and inquiries? Please feel free to ask.

DON: I, uh..

KRIS: Before we begin. To make certain that there is no confusion between Dan and Don and any other one with a ‘D’ we will call you by your essence name…

DON: Ok

KRIS: … which we would interpret as… the spelling would be… U, R, UU,L… Aruul (Kris actually said u,r double u, l, which I heard as urwl.) That will dispel any confusion. So when we refer to Uruul that is you.

DON: Ok, and how do you spell that again?

KRIS: You can spell it U R U U L, double u l.

DON: Double u l. Two u’s and l, right?

KRIS: Indeed. Uruul. (Oor’ool)

DON: Ok, that answers one of the questions I was going to have for you… . I was going to ask you what my name was.

KRIS: Indeed. That intonation can be used very nicely and practically to focus upon more or less, that you absorb the specific tone and use it to bridge connections with your own inner self or source self.

DON: Ok, that was another question I had, was how could I, let’s see, how could I attain a state of communication with my entity or some other type helper

KRIS: Indeed. This can be done quite nicely in a meditative mood or perhaps even as you prepare to sleep but have not drifted off yet. Using the intonation as… a surfboard, so to speak, to help guide you towards source self and to see what kind of communications and adventures are then transferred to the dream state for you to recall.

DON: That’s good. It’s nice to have some kind… something that will help. Normally, it seems like when I go to the dream state, mostly it’s just adventure type stuff… .not what I would call learning.

KRIS: You may even, using this tone ask your dream self to bring about clearer, more concise and clearer dreams, especially when they might seem somewhat ambiguous to you.

DON: Hmm, I’ll have to try that. Normally when I’m there, it just seems that I experience and don’t really ask questions, though when I wake up I wish I had.

KRIS: Indeed. It is an environment which facilitates a greater… action, so to speak. Not as limited as the actions that are manifested within physical space and time coordinates, where everything is displayed in a linear fashion. But in the dream environment, you have far more leeway in a manner that is non-linear, where you can, while sleeping in the present moment, also experience adventures that display themselves in terms of the past or even the future or that may even display themselves in alternate probabilities or perhaps even in dimensions that are more difficult to recall but are still being viewed; an indication that you have had experiences outside the normal range of activities, even for dreams.

DON: Ok. Um, let me tell you, just so you’ll know what my experience is… . that I have read most of the… most of Seth’s books, over the years, so I am familiar with some concepts that nonreaders would not be familiar with. Just so you’ll know what level… that we can talk at.

KRIS: Indeed. Please continue.

DON: Pardon me?

KRIS: Please continue.

DON: I do know… that what I’m doing is not just made up stuff from the subconscious and that I am actually somewhere else, not in this realm… . maybe parallel worlds… .maybe I’m experiencing as a counterpart or a past life… . ummm… I’m somewhat familiar with the possibilities there anyways.

KRIS: Indeed. Now to widen the awareness of your own dream actions there are indeed sets of actions of consciousness that can lead you to discover even more about whom and what you are. You do understand the concept that you are (merely) a focus personality of your own inner self?

DON: Yes.

KRIS: That inner self has other focus personalities and other focuses that are not personalized in the sense of a human being like you are.

Some such projections are what you would call… a Speaker… in Seth terms, where this Speaker focus is able to straddle many layers of consciousness simultaneously and give out teachings and wisdom.

DON: Yes, I’ve heard of such things.

KRIS: Splendid. We trust you have read the Oversoul trilogy?

DON: Oh… I know I’ve read at least the first one.

KRIS: Indeed. Well, we encourage you to re-read the first, the second and the third.

DON: Ok.

KRIS: You will find when you read about the group of other speakers, who come together and produce sound to move and to manipulate stone and other matter that you may find such a resonance with this idea that it may facilitate remembrance of your own other essence as speaker.

DON: Ok, I will do that.

KRIS: Indeed. Our suggestion in this line is very specific because you have writing skills and by exploring your connection with that particular projection of essence as a Speaker, you may be drawn to actually tap into a reservoir similar to what Ruburt tapped into when she downloaded the material.

DON: Can I ask you a question about that?

KRIS: Indeed.

DON: Sometimes when I’m in the process of falling asleep, I find that I’m reading a book in my head and, you know, it seems to be in English and following right along I can see the page but yet sometimes, as soon as I realize what I’m doing, it wakes me up. Is this the source of the material that you’re speaking of?

KRIS: Indeed. In a manner of speaking, your consciousness, your focus, is drifting towards an already written contract. In other words you are seeing a future projection with your product. Do you understand?

DON: I think I do.

KRIS: It would require some small amount of practice to actually allow the observation of the material in this state without bringing about full waking concentration.

DON: Then how would I translate that. Would I use something like automatic writing?

KRIS: Either writing or if you’re proficient at the keyboard in a manner or another, you may also cultivate an in-between state similar to a deep meditative mood while you’re still awake, an altered state, if you wish, where your source self can help download that material as an impression or impulse to simply write what comes to you and you need not worry whether you are getting it 100% as you think it may be written in that alternate probability for it will also be slightly different in this one. And both would be as valid. Do you follow?

DON: Yes. Even though the words might not be exactly the same, it would still be valid.

KRIS: Indeed. The intent of this adventure would naturally flow around and through the contours of your own belief structures and paradigms and accommodate itself to the means that you provide to put it down. Do you follow?

DON: Yes.

KRIS: And that would give it an original authentic ‘originality’, a uniqueness all of your own.

DON: Ok. Now this… uh… you talked about a meditative state. Now I’ve been, over the last year I’ve been… I can go in and lay down on the bed, close my eyes and seem to reach some kind of different state. I’m not sure what it’s good for. Can you tell me whether that is the state that would be good for viewing and translating this material?

KRIS: It is something you can indeed cultivate… an in-between state. If you wish… a place of consciousness, where material is deposited for you then to be able to harvest or pick up and give it life in your own terms. It is a matter of cultivating a ‘holding’ of this state. It is indeed a trance state, much like an alpha state, slightly different, enough to allow your own consciousness to function in that area.

DON: What I’ve been doing does feel a lot like an alpha state. Is this state that I’ve been achieving… is that similar to what you’re speaking about?

KRIS: Indeed. Keep cultivating it.

DON: Well that answers another question I didn’t have to ask. Am I likely to succeed at writing?

KRIS: The question should not be ‘will you be successful or not’, but rather would you enjoy developing such ability?

DON: No doubt.

KRIS: Then, work merely from that angle. You’ll find that it will be far more productive and fulfilling than trying to set up comparative goals, where the worth of the production is only valid if successful in terms of others’ ideas of success. Such comparative goal setting is perhaps even more harmful than you might suspect, for you set up unnecessary and unrealistic expectations of yourself in that manner and it produces a rather negative self-directed judgment, if you do not think you meet the platform that you set up.

DON: Ok

KRIS: So merely acting upon the joy of the impulse for the pleasure of seeing how your consciousness experience can function through the auspices of your senses, your body, your thoughts and create a certain body of work, of experience and of enjoyment; that is far more valid than whether you can or cannot be successful in the so-called real world terms. Many people actually impede such talent by thinking they must already, immediately produce tomes of the quality of “War and Peace”. Tolstoy did not write in that manner either. Do you understand?

DON: Yes

KRIS: A true writer, in any sense of the word, does not write for the publisher but rather for the satisfaction of self.

DON: Yes, I’ve read a bit that writers have written about the process of writing and why they do it and I know that if you don’t enjoy it you’re not going to make money at it anyways.

KRIS: Indeed. It is like any other occupation. If you do not enjoy what you do, you will find that in a short amount of time you despise yourself.

DON: This brings me to another question that is related. I’m trying to … I’d like to know, what’s the best area for me to concentrate on as a means of making money? Because I do have to have, you know, money for daily existence, I guess. But I’m not satisfied with the work that I do now or at any time in the past to make money.

KRIS: Indeed. Now compared to what you do presently that does not satisfy you, what would you enjoy doing? What do you see yourself doing as enjoyable?

DON: Well, writing would be fun. I really do enjoy that and I’ve just barely even started on that.

KRIS: Indeed. Now that is a more long term project. As something more immediate and short term in the sense of very near future, what do you think your whole self would enjoy doing?

DON: That’s where, so far, I’ve drawn a blank. I don’t enjoy the work I do now and so far I haven’t encountered any type of work that I would enjoy for any amount of time. Usually I just get tired or bored of the type of work that I do.

KRIS: What do you do presently?

DON: What do I do?

KRIS: Presently.

DON: I have a cleaning company and I do cleaning of offices and various other properties. So, I’m a janitor.

KRIS: May we enquire as to your age?

DON: 45.

KRIS: Indeed. You are still young and passionate.

DON: (Laughs) I’m not sure… well, difficult area to get into, you know?

KRIS: Perhaps, one thing you can do, with pen and paper, is write down some things that you might like, that you might enjoy doing. They do not have to be conventional. They could be unconventional. They could be as unconventional as doing Tarot cards, as unconventional as offering Reiki (Eeergy healing) or as conventional as any occupation that exists in physical reality. Write those thoughts that seem to come to your mind. Allow your imagination to drift into those areas that seem to hold certain potential for you.

DON: Ok, I can do that.

KRIS: And allow the process to unfold, bit by bit, over the course of several days in small doses and see where you might be drawn overall, mostly to a specific few, to eliminate the rest and then judge by yourself, which of these occupations might indeed be most enjoyable for you.

DON: Ok, I’ll do that.

KRIS: Now there is something else we should mention to you. The exercise itself may prove somewhat an eye opener, in a way, but there is another issue that comes back to not only a previous suggestion of exploring the idea of writing what you perceive in this book in an altered state. It is directly linked to the ability to shift your own consciousness towards your Speaker focus of essence. Do you understand?

DON: Are you saying that the material that I saw is something that’s important to me or that it’s the process of getting the material is important?

KRIS: Both are. What we mean by this is: you may quite naturally discover that you have a bigger predisposition to shifting your focus into altered states, much more readily than you allow yourself to assume.

DON: Ok.

KRIS: Do you not, at times, perceive that there is almost like a presence near you that comes and goes?

DON: Hmm… I’ve never… I’ve always been too… concentrating too much on what I’m thinking to look around, I guess.

KRIS: This, of course, is not going to be a looking around with the physical eyes, but a sensing, a psychological sensing of… not only your own tonal energy but sensing a certain acknowledgement of a presence of another energy near you.

DON: Is this a specific entity that I would sense?

KRIS: You will if you pay attention and develop this, you will sense that it is indeed another personality structure if you wish, another essence or (source self?), other than your own.

DON: Ok, would this personality be linked to me in some way or would it just be anybody?

KRIS: It is not just anybody and it is, in our perception, a long associated friend of your own source, a friend of Uruul. This ability that you do have, to shift your consciousness, much like you would shift the pawns and the pieces on a chessboard, can allow you to bring into your awareness this other energy or personality structure, where you might even be able to achieve an energy exchange.

DON: Aha…

KRIS: You have a certain ability within your character to remain steadfastly yourself, and allow another to share your consciousness.

DON: Would that be similar to what you do with Serge?

KRIS: Indeed. You are soooo perceptive.

DON: (Laughs) It reminded me of Jane and Seth… how she would… could channel him and still remain herself.

KRIS: It is a question of widening one’s awareness sufficiently to give psychological space for the other to dock, if you wish and give an exchange. Jane was very proficient at this, Mary Ennis and Elias, as well as ourselves. There are a few others. And you already have a solid foundation of knowledge that can be used to build upon, as a springboard for your own adventure. And we do encourage you in that area.

DON: Ok, well that’s going to give me something to work on, that’s for sure.

KRIS: Indeed. If you desire, you may ask Joseph to send you the CD recordings of the sessions we have given on channeling or of an energy exchange.

DON: Is that available online? I know that there was at least one that I saw on that subject.

KRIS: Indeed not. Joseph has those here. They are compiling a course that we give which will give you some additional insight to facilitate the exchange within your own self.

DON: That would be very helpful. Now you said something about an exchange in this state. I wanted to ask you… last summer, I was depressed, let’s say and I imagined that I was exchanging information with my past self from about 22 years ago… 23 years ago. I received… I gave him knowledge and he gave me energy. Do you… is there anything you can say about that?

KRIS: You have consciously engaged in such a venture in a manner where most individuals only engage in this whilst in the deeper layers of sleep because their conscious perceptions would not allow this idea to truly exist, since most people consider the past to be over and done with.

DON: Yes, Seth said that the past still exists and that it can even be changed.

KRIS: Indeed. As you might also project a portion of your awareness into a potential future from which you would draw beneficial wisdom. Just like (when) you reached out to your younger past self, so the future older self also reached out to you as it’s younger past self. There are always exchanges at those levels through the auspices of your inner self or source self or essence, that go by generally unnoticed by the overall populace. But they do exist, they are beneficial and can bring about greater fulfillment.

DON: I enjoyed it. I just wasn’t sure if it was real. It felt real to me and uh, I could see, I could remember the person I was back then could have done such a thing too because I used to look into the future and wonder what my older self would know, that I didn’t know at the time.

KRIS: And who is to say, along that same line, that it has already happened, in the sense that you became aware of doing this in the present reaching out to your past, because the past boy, that you were, reached out into the future. Do you understand the plays here?

DON: I sure do.

KRIS: That also stimulates the old noggin, does it not?

DON: (Laughs) It does expand my idea of what’s possible

KRIS: Indeed. And you are not limited to what you think is the official line of past consciousness, but instead you can explore unofficial probabilities that might have stemmed from apparent official past developments. So indeed, in the world of probabilities is your oyster.

DON: That does seem to be something I enjoy thinking about and I seem to do a lot of that type of thing while I’m dreaming. You know different versions of the past or the present.

KRIS: Indeed, and it is our assumption that you take care to record your dreams.

DON: Well, I used to do that. I’ll probably do that again.

KRIS: Indeed. We suggest that you return to this practice. You will find that it is indeed a helpful tool, creating a map of your consciousness, a contour and an exploration of the constitution of your own self.

DON: Well… I will write that one down too here, so that I will not forget to start doing that immediately.

KRIS: Indeed, and you thought that you would merely ask questions and we would provide the answers? And now we are providing you with homework.

DON: (Laughs) Hey maybe I need something to do, huh?

KRIS: But you will find it indeed enriching and do re-read Oversoul 7 and find book 2 and 3.

DON: That won’t be any problem. Ahem, well, if I could change the subject now…

KRIS: Indeed.

DON: I was just wondering, uh… about my family members. What relationships we may have had in the past, future… sideways in time, you know, previous lives or future lives together. If you could maybe tell me a little about that?

KRIS: Indeed and which family member would you begin with?

DON: My daughter.

KRIS: Now, can you please provide names for wife, daughter, son or other children?

DON: (Names duly provided)

(Long pause)

KRIS: As a unit, all of you, that you have mentioned, have interacted together on a few occasions. There are other occasions when not so many of you have interacted together in a similar manner. But we find you here… in… mid to latter portion … of the 1400′s in the time where there was much contention between Elizabeth the 1st of England, The Virgin Queen, and an apparent contender to the English throne from France, associated with the family of Mary Queen of Scots. And where you all were situated, were in Scottish clan.

You are related, mostly through relations of being cousins to one another, each of you being in separate families, and you all, except for your brother, all of you were male. Your brother, at that time, was female, and involved with you, but in a secret relationship, (Note: Yikes!) since he was married to someone else. You had an affair and you found it indeed both satisfying and frustrating. But overall all of the males as cousins actually enjoyed coming together and engaging in war practices, specifically trying to reclaim the English throne from what was commonly called The Whore Queen. Do you understand?

DON: You wouldn’t believe how much sense that makes to me.

KRIS: Now, unfortunately, though your cousins and your families appeared successful in the first few skirmishes, you were not so successful in the long run, the English eventually decimating your ranks and your families in a very bloody battle.

DON: What was that battle called? Did it have a name?

KRIS: We cannot at this time focus upon it, but it is in our perception the battle that finally obliterated, at that period, any Scottish claims to the English throne in those days.

DON: Ok.

KRIS: Especially eliminating the French leader that contended for the throne directly, her name also Mary (Kris is talking about Mary de Guise1 – who was Mary Queen of Scots’ mother), but not Mary Queen of Scots. Although those lives lived in that time were HARSH, there was indeed a great spirit of unification against a common enemy and also a great love of knowing that your lives were relatively lived freely and of your own accord, even when you were manipulated into believing that by the French, because your clans were used by other political parties. And you somehow rather knew this but you did not care, for it made your blood live wildly and hot!

DON: (Laughs) I wrote a couple of really short poems that seem to reflect something of those times, about my family and some stone walls and honor. I’m sure honor must have been important to me at the time. Can you comment on that?

KRIS: Indeed. In fact, if you take a small amount of time and perhaps look at some historical battles that have occurred in approximately that time period, you might find that it rings deeply within you.

DON: It already does. I do like military history. I seem to… not in this life… I seem to have echoes of much military experience. I will definitely look up English history in the 14th century? (Note: Kris was off by over a century on this one: 16th century would have been more appropriate)

KRIS: Indeed. Especially battles between the armies of Elizabeth the 1st and the Scots.

DON: Ok.

KRIS: Now there is also another occasion where you have, in a more recent time, all the members of your present family participated together, this time your father being your child.

DON: Child?

KRIS: Indeed. Your Mother being your mate (Note: Yikes again!). You were the wife. And we believe that to one degree or another, you were all active in the South, during the great American Civil War.

DON: That also strikes a chord.

KRIS: Your brother who passed away was a slave on the properties that you owned at that time. You also cultivated commercial hemp and raised horses, fine steeds indeed. You might find a resonance with horses as well.

DON: I do like them.

KRIS: Your family did not fare well in that engagement. You lost two children, which are also yours in this lifetime.

DON: Who are they?

KRIS: You have a daughter presently?

DON: Yes I have a daughter right now and a stepdaughter also.

KRIS: These two, in that lifetime, were your sons, and it affected you deeply to understand that, regardless of the damned principles to uphold, that such principles would be used to kill the children, yours and those of other mothers. You had… another focus… within this lifetime. Do you understand?

DON: Another focus…

KRIS: Within this lifetime period, this modern era.

DON: Ok, um… different from which? You say another focus…

KRIS: Your essence, your source self, had another focus personality, apart from you, in this era, and this other focus was part of the energy that you were in that Civil War era as a mother who lost her own sons. Do you understand? These are subtle things.

DON: Yes. Did I know this other personality?

KRIS: No, but it expressed itself very strongly against the Vietnam War. It protested and though at this point in time we cannot find the location, there is indeed an incident where that particular focus was himself shot by the police during a severe, and traumatic protest within the United States of America.

DON: Would that be the Kent State protest?

KRIS: At the University?

DON: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

DON: Shot and killed?

KRIS: He was killed. Now, if you can mentally revisit your own younger life at approximately that time (Note: May 4, 1970), you might discover that indeed, this news of this event may have affected you far deeply, more deeply than you initially thought it would have. Do you understand?

DON: Yes, I do.

KRIS: And it seems to have left a hurt, a pain within you.

DON: And in what way do I react to that pain?

KRIS: If you can look at this, you might find that it is related to this other focus being shot so indiscriminately, simple for upholding principles of peace. Do you understand?

DON: Well, yes…

KRIS: If you find this within you, ask your own inner self to bring solace and to bring healing and to help that energy of that self to go beyond the rather drastic belief systems it may still hold in an afterlife state. We do not believe this has created any other focuses. Do you understand?

DON: Yes. I understand and I will do that. That sort of answers… I was going to ask what bleed-throughs from counterparts or probable me’s might I strongly feel?

KRIS: You may utilize the auspices of your dreams, for instance, to explore what other probabilities you have other selves going about their daily businesses. But you have also another interesting focus. But do keep in mind that not all of the focuses of your essence will necessarily be expressed in physical reality in the terms that you understand.

Do keep in mind there are many other worlds, many other galaxies and planetary systems, many of which have various kinds of humanoid life forms that are evolved and developed in their own respect. We are not here suggesting that you go look for the little green bogeyman, or the little Martian or Marvin the Martian for that idea, but instead you might like to use your consciousness like a searchlight, directing it to the possibility that you have another focus that indeed lives in a far-off galaxy, that may, because of the connection to your own source self, be able to share some degree of experiences with you. Do keep in mind that you are not the only focus of your essence that is contemplating the ideas and the concepts that you are discussing with us.

DON: Ok.

KRIS: Does that make sense with you?

DON: Yes, it certainly does. How would I… when you say use my consciousness like a searchlight… would I… what would I search? Just when I’m walking in daily life…

KRIS: Perhaps in a meditation and listen carefully to the description we have provided. Even if it is brief, it might be sufficient to open the doors of your awareness that much more and draw to you the impressions of another focus that is not even of this world, but that might enrich your experiences in a subjective manner, very deeply.

DON: Do I have a resistance to doing this sort of thing? It seems that I might have a fear of letting go of my own grip on reality when I think about such things.

KRIS: There is no need to fear losing your grip. In fact, you have no need to let go of anything. It’s simply a matter of accepting something else. So this is an entirely different issue than what you imagined. You do not have to let go of anything, but perhaps suspend some of your disbeliefs, which is nothing like letting them go.

DON: I’m not worried about the disbeliefs. I think I might have a fear of losing control of my own body in a situation like that.

KRIS: When you are watching television, a program that you find absorbing or you are at the theater, absorbed in the scenarios displaying themselves on the large screen you do not think about losing control of your sense of self, do you not?

DON: I don’t even think about it, that’s true.

KRIS: Indeed. It would be no different, simply that there is now more to experience.

DON: I see.

KRIS: The notion that many people have in light of these experiences, is not clearly founded since there is nothing to let go but there is more to appreciate. You can rest your fears.

DON: Huh. Well, you did say that I have an ability to remain myself while… you were talking about contacting another part of myself.

KRIS: Indeed.

DON: Well, I’m gonna have to look into that.

KRIS: Indeed, we suggest that you do so with great joy and in the process you will only discover that much more about who and what you think you are now, as opposed to who and what you will be years from now. But do keep in mind that the self is a process that is always in the act of becoming.

DON: Ok.

KRIS: And with that, we thank you dearly for the discussion. You have a great honorable sense about you, whether you’re a Scot or otherwise.

DON: (Laughs) Thank you. I find you… interesting and fun to talk to.

KRIS: Indeed. We appreciate your energy.

DON: Um, if I was going to want to talk to you again, is there a certain amount of time I should wait before I do that?

KRIS: At this time you can discuss that with Joseph. Much depends upon his schedule.

DON: Oh. Well. I was more interested in whether you think I should assimilate what we’ve talked about now and, you know, wait a while and see what else comes to mind… but if that’s not a problem.

KRIS: Indeed it is not a problem. There are certain individuals we would suggest to wait some months. There are others we would invite to continue discussions.

DON: I made it through about 2/3′s of the questions on my list here.

KRIS: Indeed.

DON: So there will be something for next time.

KRIS: Indeed. We will return Joseph to you momentarily. And enjoy your adventures.

DON: I hope you enjoy yours.

1- MARY DE GUISE

Queen of Scotland, b. 22 Nov. 1515; d. at Edinburgh, 10 June 1560; sister of François de Guise, and of the second cardinal of Lorraine, and eldest of the twelve children of Claude de Lorraine, Duke of Guise, and Antoinette de Bourbon. Left a widow in 1535, after a year of married life with Louis II d’Orleans, Duke of Longueville, she refused to marry Henry VIII, King of England, but at the express command of Francis I consented to go to Scotland to wed (9 May, 1538) James V, king of Scotland, whose first wife, Margaret of France, had died a year before.

By James V she had (7 or 8 Dec, 1542) one daughter, Mary Stuart, and a week later (14 Dec.) she became a widow and regent. Henry VIII sought to take advantage of this regency to establish in Scotland an anti-Catholic influence, and to this end wrung from Mary of Guise the treaty of 12 March, 1543, which promised Mary Stuart in marriage to Edward, his son. Mary of Guise, however, particularly after the death of her advisor, Cardinal Beaton, looked to France for the support of a Catholic policy, and it was decided by the Estates of Scotland (5 Feb., 1548), that Mary Stuart should be sent to that country, Scotland’s oldest and most faithful ally, to be married to the young Dauphin Francis, son of Henry II.

While the Reformation continued to progress in Scotland, Mary de Guise, through the advice and assistance of her brothers, François de Guise and the second Cardinal of Lorraine, succeeded in maintaining her authority. From Paris her brothers kept her informed of the great success achieved by her daughter, Mary Stuart. “She rules the king and queen”, wrote the Cardinal de Lorraine. On the marriage of Henry II with the Dauphin Francis, Henry II desired them to assume the titles of king and Queen of England and Ireland, alleging that Elizabeth, daughter of Henry VIII, and Anne Boleyn, was ineligible, having been the child of an illegitimate marriage, also a heretic. The Guises hoped for a brief period that as a result of their policy Catholic rule would be established throughout Britain.

Nicholas de Bellève, Bishop of Amiens, and several doctors of the Sorbonne, went to Scotland in 1559 to prevail upon Mary of Guise to put on trial all non-Catholic ecclesiastics. Though of a moderate temper, and though she wrote to the Guises that the only means of preserving the old religion in Scotland was to allow the people complete liberty of conscience, the queen dared not oppose the order from France.

A revolt followed; the Protestants pillaged churches and monasteries and entered Edinburgh. John Knox proclaimed the right of insurrection against tyranny; and the assembly of the peers and the barons of the kingdom declared Mary of Guise deposed from the regency (21 Oct., 1559).

She was then at Leith, guarded by a troop of French soldiers. They soon overcame the Protestant troops and she was then able to enter Edinburgh, but an English army sent by Elizabeth to the assistance of the Protestant laid siege to Edinburgh, and at this juncture, Mary of Guise died.

info from: Catholic Encyclopedia

Private Session for Dan from USA

August 20, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Dan
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 20, 2004.
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: It is our pleasure to have received your call and make your acquaintance.

DAN: It’s my pleasure.

KRIS: We hope that you’re comfortable and ready for your adventure.

DAN: Yes, I am.

KRIS: Indeed. Please feel free to ask your questions.

DAN: I guess the first thing that I would like to know about is this sickness that I’ve had for the past week, what it’s origins are, and what I’m supposed to gain from the experience.

KRIS: Now may you be so kind as to describe your symptoms.

DAN: I’ve had a very intense cough that comes off and on, more so at the nighttime. And also, I’ve had a sore throat. It has hurt when I’ve swallowed for the past week, off and on, at various times it’s more intense. It seems to be subsiding today. Um, so I’m curious as to what was going on with me that may have been causing that.

KRIS: Now on a strictly biological, physical level, our perception is of a slight bacterial infection, which you may be able to accelerate in eliminating from your system with a simple sinus wash. Are you familiar with what is called a Neti Pot? (Guessing on the spelling of that one!).

DAN: No.

KRIS: It is used primarily in India, but it has become quite popular in N. America as a means of washing the sinuses with slightly warm, salty water to eliminate bacteria.

DAN: Right. I’ve used that method before.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, another approach would be to use a nasal spray that contains (something… I couldn’t understand him). This is also used to eliminate bacteria, and it could be obtained in your local health food place.

DAN: Okay. So, then, those would be good approaches for eliminating the symptoms, but I was more interested in how my thoughts, beliefs, or current life circumstances helped contribute to the onset of the symptoms.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, as we have hinted at, this was merely the physical symptom aspect. Other than that, what do you perceive to have been a major event in your life in the past two weeks?

DAN: My marriage?

KRIS: Indeed. And though you became and allowed yourself to become aware of those aspects of yourself that were in agreement with the marriage, the union, and all that it implies, you might inadvertently neglected to also address some aspects of your own personality that may have had some slight resistance or reluctance to jump into the union.

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: And this is a means to vocally express perhaps the hesitation, the trepidation of those aspects of your being that were not given a voice in any other manner. Does that make sense to you?

DAN: Yes it does.

KRIS: Now what you may choose to do to accelerate the healing of this slight condition is to take a few moments over the next two days, and for those few moments, center yourself, be quiet and at peace physically and mentally, and in your minds’ eye, in your imagination, allow the slight discontent of those aspects of your being to also express their opinion to you, perhaps in a scenario of mental imagery of some kind. Or even ask your dream self to put you in touch within the dream state with those aspects, and see what your dreams give you as information, which may greatly assist; so that in the future you do not neglect such small voices, which when combined with physical symptoms, they are not so small indeed.

DAN: Okay.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

DAN: Mmm hmm. When you were talking about how on the physical level it has to do with bacteria and so forth, are you saying that diseases are communicable in nature?

KRIS: Only in so much as the individual opens himself or herself up to allowing what already exists within the body or in the environment to adversely affect them: always a situation of choice. Not necessarily a conscious one, for no one in their right mind would sit at their coffee table and say that tomorrow they are going to engage in a salmonella poisoning.

DAN: Okay. My next question is in regards to my diet. I had been on a strict raw foods diet, mostly organic foods for over six years, up until yesterday, and I had made the decision in my mind, maybe a few weeks or even months prior, that the diet in itself was very limiting in some ways, and it was rather costly…

KRIS: And sometimes rather bland to the taste buds?

DAN: Well, sometimes, I suppose. I enjoyed the foods that I ate, for the most part. But it was repetitive, and I thought somewhat fear-based. I did get into the diet initially for vanity, and grew over the years to believe that there was something bad about eating cooked foods, and eating animals and animal products. Partly because of the illness, I was experiencing and partly because of those new beliefs that I have about food and its nature, and also because of my use of a pendulum, I decided to go ahead and eat some cooked food. I did so all day yesterday and so far today eat foods that I normally would not eat. I’m still using my pendulum as a guide as a way of figuring out which foods would be better choices. I was a bit surprised that I was guided – guided by my Self, of course – to eating meat and cheese and things like that.

But I really am enjoying it, and everyone I have told so far is very excited. I just wanted to know what your thoughts are on that and… because in some ways this was a very huge step in terms of overcoming fears, especially the fear that I would get fat or just not be able to control my eating. So far it seems to be going very well. At the same time, I feel somewhat overwhelmed by the multitude of choices of foods that I have now. And I sometimes I wonder whether when faced with a choice of eating a hamburger or eating macaroni salad, whether there is a better choice for me in that situation, or whether it’s just like, whatever I feel like having will be the best choice for that particular meal.

KRIS: Now, on the one hand, you will eventually notice to a greater degree that another aspect of your limited diet and nutrition in this fashion may have reflected a number of restricted choices or imposed restrictions upon other aspects of your own life.

DAN: Yeah.

KRIS: And now you’re reaching out and exploring more things with life itself and life situations. As you’re also absorbing greater choice of nutrients, so that you have been for you have been a reflection of where you stand in holding specific belief structures in that area. Does that make sense to you as well?

DAN: Yes, very much so. In fact, I think it’s no coincidence that this change has come along with the marriage and a new job that I will be starting a week from Monday.

KRIS: Indeed, life has appeared to become a buffet for you. Now, at the same time, we would suggest that you take some small smaller steps for the next several days, simply to bring about an equilibrium with the manner in which your system, your digestive tract changes perhaps from a legume and vegetable-based proteins to incorporating animal-based proteins so that maintain a good balance. In other words, you would not go from swimming in a sauna, or a hot tub, directly jumping into a bucket of ice.

DAN: Right.

KRIS: You would want to do this gradually.

DAN: Well, in that case, do you think using the pendulum as a guide, do you think that would direct me towards that type of balance.

KRIS: The balance is simply a matter of perhaps instead of immediately eating the whole cow, you take small bites, while still incorporating more raw foods, until you can make a greater switchover. do you understand?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: That will also not overwhelm your system, because you are going to ask your digestive system to work somewhat harder now to breakdown animal by-products. And you might also benefit from the addition of digestive enzymes to bring about that equilibrium. And you are also correct in observing that you are moving away from restrictive, fear-based belief structures. As so many individuals do entertain this type of nutritional base because they are afraid illness and disease, only to fall prey to what they fear the most, in spite of making drastic changes. Because their maintenance of health will not be primarily based upon your nutrition, but more so upon the manner in which you digest, you feed yourself and digest belief structures. And that will be reflected in the manner in which you put foodstuffs in your mouth, as you put belief foodstuffs in your mind. Does that make sense to you?

DAN: Yes, and it’s a very nice analogy.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAN: So, for the past couple of years I’ve also been experiencing a lot of tiredness, despite getting enough sleep at night, and getting a good number of hours of sleep. I’ve been battling with this tiredness. I’ve luckily discovered meditation as a result of that. It is quite rejuvenating, and also will allow me to fall asleep if I need to, through the relaxation of the meditation. But I am starting a job, like I said, a week from this coming Monday, and it will be my first nine-to-five job in over five years. I’ve been working at home, primarily, for that time period, and as such, I’ve been able to take a nap or meditate pretty much whenever I feel like it. But things are going to be changing now with that, and I was just wondering if you could provide me with some insight as to what the cause of this tiredness is. I’ve been told that it has to do with the shift, with the fact that I’m an Indigo, things of that nature, really, things that I can do nothing about.

KRIS: And unfortunately, you may already have perceived that such information is only valid up to a certain point, because the individual always has the means with which to alter a condition, even the most dire of circumstances, and the feeling of tiredness is on the one hand not a dire circumstance. Neither is the fact or lack of fact that you may or may not be Indigo, you may or may not be involved in the shift of one type or another. You may find that by gradually incorporating some degree of animal protein into your diet that your system will react differently. You may actually be moving away from being tired. But that does not mean that you must gorge on animal proteins.

DAN: Yeah, I’ve actually eaten meat and fish and eggs and so forth during those six years at various points. I think for a little over a year I was eating raw meat and raw fish, not in huge quantities, but it didn’t have a positive effect on being tired, I noticed.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAN: So…but I have noticed in the past, like today, for instance, I got much less sleep that I normally do, and hear I am talking to you and feeling quite fine.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you have an entire week to, or at least several days, to work towards altering your patterns. So that by the time you enter into your new position, you will not need to rely upon an afternoon nap, unless of course you are going to Mexico.

DAN: (Laughter)

KRIS: Now, by utilizing auto-suggestion, you can bring about a good transition from the periods of meditating whenever you need to meditating when it is appropriate with your new schedule. You may also wish to create a particular anchor into your system. By that we mean a particular action that helps release the necessary endorphins and levels of serotonin in the brain that allow you to last a little longer in the day without feeling tired. For instance, you may even begin practicing this in a slightly meditative state, where you’re slightly relaxed – not in a deep meditation – and you can feel your energy levels rising, and when you do, perhaps simply putting together your thumb and index finger to confirm that this is in your system. Then, after at least three such actions, in those states, try to go about your daily business, and when you start to feel slightly as if you are wanting to retreat to sleep, try bringing your thumb and index finger to trigger that action within your system, whereby the brain will release a slight more amount of serotonin and other levels within the brain. Do you understand?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: So that the bringing together of the thumb and index finger will trigger the brain’s release of those chemicals that will spark up your interest once again. There is also the possibility that adding something to your nutrition for a period of time. It is called N-A-C. Each letter represents a specific word. It is usually a (horrible?) derivative and it helps to maintain those levels within the brain and bloodstream for a slightly longer time. It has no side effects, unless you decide to swallow the entire bottle. Then, be prepared to run to the bathroom.

DAN: (Laughter) So this is something I can get at the health foods store?

KRIS: Indeed. And it is called, commonly, NAC. N-A-C. You may find this very useful in the beginning to engage the system. Do not forget to practice this action, whether you gently tug on your earlobe, or bring your thumb and forefinger together. However you manage it, create an anchor point for kick starting the system.

DAN: Okay. I was wondering if you can, just like, just by talking to me, are you aware of some of the beliefs that I hold that I may not be conscious of, and that affect my life in a way that I would rather they didn’t?

KRIS: Now this is not necessarily something that you hide from yourself. All of your actions speak of the various belief structures you entertain. They exist about you in the way that satellites exist about a celestial body, whether it is the earth, with its one satellite, or other planets with their multiple satellites (moons), also orbiting around the sun. Do you understand?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: You could be considered the sun. And you have various belief spheres orbiting around you, drawn to you by the psychological, gravitational pull of the attention you give them to one degree or another. They are not unknown to you; they appear through your actions and the choices you make. One permanent one you may consider to already know to a small degree, but we believe it is perhaps more prominent than you think, that of fear; fearing, specifically for your health and well-being.

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: And you do concentrate on this to a much larger degree than even you admit to yourself. So our suggestion is that you acknowledge this particular satellite of belief structures, that you consider it as having far too much importance from your perspective. Do you understand?

DAN: I’m not so sure I do. You said to acknowledge that I hold this fear. And then what, I’m not sure I understand the rest.

KRIS: And that you recognize that you give it far more importance than you need to. This is not a matter of surrendering to it, or anything of that nature; it’s simply a matter of recognizing what you are doing. What kind of thoughts do you project in line with such belief systems into your tomorrows, and your futures, and give them less energy, which you may find also related to some of your feelings of being tired. Spending the mental energy worrying about what may or may not occur in those lines.

DAN: In regards to health?

KRIS: Indeed. Do you understand that you are robust; you are full of vitality, and under no circumstance need you delimitate your own self in order to understand what kinds of beliefs you hold? You have at your disposal all of the resources, the energy, that your inner self or essence also has. There is no need to consider that your might at any time, that you might be at the mercy of some condition that might occur around the corner, ready to pounce upon your poor, unsuspecting self; for you are not unsuspecting, but you might be suspicious, and that is a different thing.

DAN: Yes. I wanted… another thing that I’ve been asking a lot of people and searching in so many sources for is some kind of guidance, some kind of way to tap in to that intuitive, inner self. I don’t really have something that I do, other than using the pendulum, but in terms of just feeling it, getting in touch with it on a biological level, I was wondering if you could perhaps, knowing the person that I am, make some sort of suggestion.

KRIS: Indeed. We would be more than pleased to assist. Now understand on the one hand, that every molecule, every atom, in every cell, in every system in your body is composed of units of consciousness. These units of consciousness appear simultaneously in a multitude of dimensions, and realities, and probabilities. And as such, there is then a consciousness awareness of a variety of multiple actions on your part, whether in terms of a probable self, a multiple self, another focus, etc., etc. These actions are conveyed to the cellular structures of your own form to create equilibrium, balance, and harmony within the overall essence self. Do you understand so far?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: There is indeed no reason why you should deprive or even consider depriving yourself of those innate intuitive knowings. An excellent manner in which you may become more aware of these innate, intuitive knowings is through the auspices of your dreams, since the regular barriers set up by the ego to keep out that information is less prevalent, not as strong. Do you understand?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: This would require that you begin to recognize that not only do you dream, but that you dream often, and it is quite possible that you would find enjoyment in recalling your dreams and writing them down with the creation of a dream log (Dan’s note: I don’t actually enjoy writing them down!). You may need several attempts before you pick up some of the dream events if you are not apt to remember them now. Do you understand?

DAN: Yes. I have been recording my dreams on tape and listening to them the next day for quite some time. And one of the things that really eludes me about the dreams is that I don’t usually have a lot of insight into the symbolism, what they mean, or what they’re trying to tell me. I don’t know how to develop that ability.

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps an excellent book is Jane’s book called, “Seth, Dreams, and Projections of Consciousness” to give you an excellent foundation into the recalling, the recording of dreams, and their implications. And indeed you may notice after awhile that a large portion of dreams are indeed precognitive.

DAN: Yes, I have noticed that.

KRIS: And by writing them, it may also add a totally different perspective as opposed to merely hearing them, for it will draw your attention in a different manner.

As such, dreams do have their own language. That language is, whether you call it by different names: allegorical, symbolic, emotional, it speaks from the depths of the psyche in a manner that you might be able to understand this foreign language of the land of the Self. And just as if you were a tourist in a foreign land, and realize that the best way to understand the culture is to learn to speak at least the basic language structure, and traveling, so your dreams represent this unknown territory, and the language will make itself known to you through the actions. You can even request that your dreams become more specific, and if you notice the more confused you are about life, the more confusing your dreams will seem to be, because the ego and focus structures will interpret dream content in the same manner they interpret physical life content.

DAN: I find that a lot of my dreams take place in the past and are populated with people from my past, and by past, I guess I mean 15, 20, 25 years ago.

KRIS: Indeed. Those characterizations may indeed represent various emotional situations not only from your past, but also from your present, but past in that dramatization. By learning to observe what the actions in the dreams are, what are the primary and secondary emotional depictions and events in the dreams, you might pick up much information.

For instance, you might have a rather upsetting day where you experience various degrees of high emotional states, only that night to dream about storms, storm fronts, stormy weather, dark clouds on the horizon, moving towards you, apparently even threatening with big storms. And you might find that you are venting the day’s frustrations and high-adrenaline content out through the dream pictures and actions in the dreams, and you might notice that even though perhaps your day has gone by rather placidly, you still dream of a storm, an approaching weather upset, which may find itself to actually be precognitive, as perhaps some time in the next few days, you actually encounter a situation that may represent part of the storm you saw in your dream. So it works both ways. And you may even come to the point in your observation of your dreams that you notice that dreams themselves do not only precognate upcoming events in real life, but that real life situations as you understand the term, may precognate upcoming dream events! Now how is that for a brain twister?

DAN: (Laughter.) That’s interesting.

KRIS: Because in the overall sense of reality, there actually is no difference; the actions undertaken in dreams and the actions undertaken in physical reality, except that the conscious mind makes the difference.

DAN: I understand. Now, another huge question I have for you is in regards to my relationship with my wife, which in my opinion has been on a sort of decline. We’ve been together as a couple for about 20 months, and we’ve been living here in Southern California for ten – so half, actually. And it seems like since we’ve moved to Southern California, which was her decision, and I told her I would live wherever she wanted to, and since we’ve moved here, it seems like the stress of the move and finding a new job for her… well, I shouldn’t put it that way because in actuality I believe that the way that she relates to me, the way that she speaks to me and treats me, and the affection or lack thereof is my own creation, and I wanted to hear what you had to say about that – whether she is simply a mirror to what is going on inside of me, and even to the extent that I have come to fear her in a lot of ways, and how that fear has been manifested in her actions and words and so forth towards me because it’s something that I sort of take on by myself. I take on responsibility for the relationship because I see it as a reflection of my internal state. So I was wondering what you think about all that.

KRIS: It is one perspective to understand that the other is a reflection of your state of awareness – the state of your inner nation. Do you understand that?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: But you also do not forget, that just as much, you are also a reflection the state of her own inner nation. You are in a shared situation.

DAN: I see that, but at the same time, I do have free will.

KRIS: Indeed. You cannot have anything but free will. You can choose to interact in any action; how you interpret that action is entirely up to the manner in which you choose to do so. Now, we also sense that the moving and many other highly stressful situations over the last few months have been a way in which both of you work out some of your frustrations, but you are also lacking in communications. Or at least you are not communicating in a manner that brings about resolution and healing, but rather, can be quite abrupt with each other, which leaves a bitter taste in your mouths. Correct?

DAN: Yes, although I would say that I am rarely abrupt. Not to sound like it’s all her, but my style is more to internalize it, to take it all in, whereas she is very expressive with her emotions, which unfortunately seem to be in the neighborhood of anger a lot of times.

KRIS: Indeed. Now when you say you internalize, you also internalize self-directed anger, which she may unknowingly also pick up and throw back in your face.

DAN: I see. So I’m angry at myself for having, or at least for perceiving that I have created the situation?

KRIS: And for thinking you might not have sufficient steps, resources and resolves to move ahead and away from conflict. You may even perceive that in some respects you lack in those abilities.

DAN: So are you saying then that what I really need to do in this regard is, regardless of how I feel about creating the situation that I respond verbally, but not abruptly, to what it is that I perceive as problematic.

KRIS: Do not at the same time consider that your feelings must therefore then be considered condescending or less valid – they are not less valid. They are a clear indication of your state of awareness. Now perhaps you may provide a different environment, perhaps find some time together and do things that bring out tenderness within each other. Rekindle that romantic mood. Perhaps surprise her, perhaps with something like soft candlelight, a nice warm bubble bath, and other romantic-mood-enhancers, where you two can move in to a space that expresses tenderness and love-making and creating that forum, that atmosphere, to gently discuss with tenderness and tact not what she makes you feel like, but what you sometimes may indeed misinterpret from your end of the tunnel, so to speak. As opposed to saying, “Look, you make me feel this…” That only generates attack. Be tender. Be sweet. Bring that out of her, and you may find that she is also not that far from your own but may feel frustration because the two of you are not communicating those situations.

Consider the gardener that has to till the soil, to enrich it with fertilizers of different kinds, that tends to make certain that it is a rich bed from which the seeds he sows will indeed sprout, take root, and that with the aid of sunshine, warmth, and water, and the nutrients in the soil, some of which he added, will provide the optimum environment for the seeds to grow and bear fruit or flower, which he will then harvest.

A union of two people is much like this situation, except that each must do his or her own gardening, and tend to it, realizing that you do reap what you sow. This is in a manner of speaking, the process of instant karma – not that we advocate the traditional notion of karma. But karma means for every action, there is some kind of reaction. What you entertain in the state of your awareness, in your mental constitution, is then reflected in the outer field of events. That which occurs in the inner field of events becomes the source for the outer field of events. Inner actions have their outer action counterparts.

DAN: And at the same time, I’ve become aware, mostly through reading the Seth books, of the idea that sometimes getting fed up with your situation, so in other words, having those thoughts that one might call “negative,” but really just acknowledging that things are not the way you would like them to be can put the wheels in motion so to speak towards bringing a happier state.

KRIS: That is indeed what those apparent negative thoughts or states are supposed to indicate to you – that you are not where you need to be.

DAN: Where do my thoughts come from? Where do they originate?

KRIS: You live in an ocean of thoughts. They are everywhere, and thoughts are the manner in which you capture the energy of living action. That is your interpretation. You could consider that you are a human fish, living in the ocean of thoughts. They are everywhere, and they do not necessarily surround you in the way you think of thoughts. But thoughts as you understand them are the results of a translation of consciousness, of actions and probabilities that surround you and that make up the inner universe. Do you understand?

And according to the various belief structures that line up with the ego construction, you draw those apparent invisible situations into the forms of thoughts that you entertain according to the rich filter of your beliefs, the lens of your psychological camera, allows you to see certain things and not others. So what is it that you’re not seeing that you would like that instead is blocked by what you see that you do not like?

DAN: I read your discussion of building a bridge between an old belief and a new belief. And I wanted to ask you about that and how do I go about doing that. Is that a mental exercise or what?

KRIS: You may design it in a variety of manners. Mostly, it would require a certain recognition of some of those beliefs that you entertain. And these are not hidden gremlins, deep into the recesses of the unconscious. They are apparent by the actions and the choices that you make in your life. And then, when you recognize, for instance, that you are not where you actually recognize where you want to be, then you may begin to envision a probability where the actions you want to manifest already exist. As you do this, that is what we will then call a psychological line – are you familiar with the concept of the lay lines?

DAN: No.

KRIS: Are familiar with the idea of the human energy system, which is called the meridian, human body meridian?

DAN: Like the grid of energy on the earth?

KRIS: Indeed. Consider then that by envisioning, focusing upon a probability that you want to bring into effect, that you create a specific grid line to that probability where the strength of your desire, of your intent, actually draws that apparent probable event into the field of outer events that you will then step into; so that bridge that needs to be created is where you start taking actions that line up with the new probability that you want to draw in.

So for instance, if someone has phobias that cause them to be housebound they may realize that they truly need and desire to be outside, but they cannot because of the beliefs that generate the phobias, whether it occurred in the past. And in desiring to step outside and enjoy nature, shopping, and any such adventure, they cannot make the transition immediately from within their house to being full-fledged out in the field. But they may begin by slowly taking several small steps into the backyard and perhaps another day several small steps in the front yard, where they know they have the possibility of retreating immediately back into the house. But the following day they might take enough steps to go right to the edge of the sidewalk. And perhaps eventually, in a few more days’ time, they will venture across the street, each time focusing upon the reality that they would find themselves out in the world again.

DAN: (Laughter.) My next question is in regards to money. When I graduated from college, the first job that I had paid $18,000/year, which was less than I thought that I needed to survive. Of course, I could have cut back on spending, but I didn’t. I decided to supplement my income with credit cards, and as a result, I stayed in that job, which I think my maximum income at that job may have been $22,000, which is still really low.

KRIS: In other words, your spending overshot your income.

DAN: It did, and I wound up declaring personal bankruptcy when I moved out to California about seven years ago. And since that time, I cut back my spending to the point where I was surviving on $13,500/year. I believe that was my income for three or four years in a row. And so my income has always been low.

I recently got into a teaching training program – school in other words – that provided me with loans, so that I had about fifteen hundred dollars a month for living expenses, in addition to having my tuition paid. However, that didn’t seem to be enough to get by, since I wound up racking up ten thousand dollars in credit card debt once again. Luckily, I have a father who is quite wealthy, so when the time for my wedding came around, I asked for twice as much of a gift as he was intending on giving us. As a result, I was able to pay off the credit card debt.

And now, the job I will be starting on Monday also pays quite low. It pays nine dollars an hour. And so, over the years I have changed the way I think of money and spending money and giving money away to people, buying people gifts. I’ve been much more aware of the whole concept of karma in money and so forth, and yet I still find myself in a position where I will be earning quite low income.

KRIS: It seems that with every position you acquire, you are getting paid less than the previous. And perhaps on the line of probability, in five years, you will be working for free!

Now on the one hand, we have suggested to you that all of your actions are speaking about the beliefs that you hold, and this is not different. What you may benefit from is an examination of your self-worth in monetary terms, without necessarily falling into the trap of thinking and believing that if you start making lots of money, then perhaps you are failing at your spiritual goals and drives, that you will become no better than what you think those who make large sums of money are and so on and so forth. Do you understand that?

DAN: Yeah. I’ve been working on that belief system.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, begin to create those bridge beliefs into a reality that you pull to you, that pays you twice as much to begin with. And allow your inner Self or Essence to make all the necessary preparations and the connections that allow you to step in to that reality. And when the opportunity knocks, take the opportunities. And expect that the entire universe as you can conceive of it will work towards that goal and then some. You need to get out of that pit because when the children come, you will need to spend much on diapers. Do not think that children do not use diapers.

DAN: They still do.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAN: (Laughter.) Yes, that would be an interesting topic for us to cover, that of children. I’m very drawn to children. I receive much joy just being in their presence. It’s one of the main reasons why I am working as a teacher, and yet I am afraid of having children.

And money is one of the reasons why I have a fear of that experience. Also…

KRIS: And at the same time, do you recall what we suggested to you about the limited diet you entertain as also reflected in the limited choices you entertain in your life?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: This is no different. By maintaining a lower and lower and even lower still income you restrict the things that you desire to do. You allow your desires to fit in to what is financially possible to you, which can at times be frustrating. Is it not?

DAN: Yes.

KRIS: Would you not like to go to the furniture store and plunk down five or ten grand to buy the set of furniture you want as opposed to the one you can only afford. And at the same time, it would really fulfill you to be able to demonstrate to your father that you do not need to run to Daddy for a loan. Do you understand?

DAN: Yes. Do I need to know what the source of this abundance will be?

KRIS: You need not. You need to know, however, that you want to get there. There are some things that the conscious ego construction can do. That is not one of the things it can accomplish. However, your inner Self has all of the resources necessary to fulfill your desires, and it will bring to you those realities that fulfill you in that degree. You have to set the direction – the coordinates on the ship – and then the ship takes you there. Do you understand?

DAN: Yes. Now about using my pendulum…I’ve been using it this week to get Morse code messages. In other words, a clockwise turn of the pendulum is a dash and a counterclockwise is a dot. And I’ve been asking, sort of, not really asking too many questions, but more asking if God, or any aspect of my Self, or any other spirits have messages for me. And I’ve been trying to pick those messages up using the pendulum, and I wanted to know what you thought about that.

KRIS: It is also a rather limited method, since your dreams may convey far richer dramas within which such communication can be conveyed to you. You are bringing about a situation where very limited communications can be achieved, since the pendulum is truly meant for very specific yes-no types of answers. Do you understand?

DAN: I do. Sometimes, though, I’ll notice that the pendulum will give me a “yes” to a question one day and a “no” the next day. Is that just because circumstances have changed?

KRIS: Perhaps you might also be ambiguous about them. It merely reflects your beliefs. May we ask the time please?

DAN: It’s 5:25.

KRIS: Indeed. May we suggest then that we end our lovely discussion with your powerful Self, for you do not yet trust that you have at your back the wind of the Universe!

DAN: Okay. (Laughter.)

KRIS: And reflect upon that. And indeed it was truly a pleasure to discuss with you. You have so much ahead of you. Be prepared.

DAN: Okay. (Laughter.)

KRIS: In a wonderful fashion and again, we thank you and we return Joseph (Serge’s essence name) to you in a moment.

DAN: Okay. Thank you!

Biological Faith

August 9, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Alex
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on August 9, 2004.
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

NOTE: Serge, Mark and I (Alex) began talking about Shamanism. This led us into an interesting discussion about religion and religious faith: its histories, traditions, foundations, philosophies, etc. The discussion was brief, however, because KRIS quickly jumped in to join in the conversation!

Session Begins at 7:34pm

KRIS: Now, earlier on, you were speaking about understanding things of faith to one degree or another. Indeed, this is a topic that is usually distorted to varying degrees especially when it is mixed with religious fervor. Faith has little to do with your religions as you understand them but your religions have hijacked your natural, biological faith and any extension thereof. Instead of allowing the individual to further mature, individuate and grow as a person, grow as a psychological entity, your religions have focused that biological faith towards their own dogmas, especially any demonstration of external exhibits of that faith and dogma in their views.

It becomes a greater matter of faith that you must attend church every Sunday as proof that you have unwavering faith. As if the Divine, the Universe is truly concerned about the clothes that you wear, called your Sunday Best, to attend the services where you can show off your brand new dress or perfume or how big a roll of 20’s you can show when you put something on the collection plate. External demonstrations of piety have often replaced this inner faith that is so vital to your own existence.

When the two become confused, you experience what is often called the crisis of faith, and justly described. Though there is no inherent program with religions as a necessary belief system intertwined in your cultural structures as a means to an end, it is problematic when the means is considered the end in this respect, for it truly warps the individual’s own needs to attain a certain degree of psychological maturity in this particular lifetime expression, regardless of historical presentation. When the religious dogmas become the goals and when they have to be maintained at all costs, then you have truly lost your sense of faith. When you have to question whether or not you have committed any sins and how you should absolve yourself of the sins and their consequences, then indeed, it is not a show of faith but instead a show of having lost and misplaced that faith which is your own “ELAN VITAL”, which is your vital force. That is spelled E-L-A-N and the second word is V-I-T-A-L. It is French.

MARK: Practicing? (Mark is referring to SERGE/KRIS and MARK’s upcoming workshop in Ottawa, which will be spoken entirely in French.)

KRIS: Now, faith as you naturally express it is exhibited in your biological structure. The composition of your bodies is based upon faith. First of all, you have that faith that you will have your nose where others also expect it to be. You will have two legs and two feet, two arms and two hands, one head, a torso, an abdomen and all of the vital organs to keep the organism functioning in a proper, cooperative venture according to the grid of perception we’ve spoken about before, as well as consensus of the belief structures used in your psychological neighborhood.

It is important to remember that faith is not a spiritual or religious badge alone but indeed also deeply entwined into each cell that composes each of the organs and the systems of your physical form. You rely upon that cooperative structure to keep the body functioning on a daily basis without you having to do a great deal of maintenance and system checks every time you awaken. You know it will function just because it is. You also know that through this system of spiritual and biological faith that truly, you always have your place in the world. You always know, to one degree or another, whom and what you are at the moment in time and space.

You also utilize that faith in many other capacities. One of which, is that you have faith that when you open your mouth to speak, words will come out. You do not need to overly hassle yourselves as to exactly what will come out in ten words from now. You simply engage in the processes of speech and your intent automatically sees to it that you communicate effectively what you feel and sense in terms of your emotions and feeling tones at any given time. Is that correct?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: You also have a certain type of faith that wherever you are in the world, you are not somewhere else physically. You are projected, concentrated into a specific location with its reference points. Whether it is longitude or latitude in degrees, there is an unconscious faith that if you are here, you are not somewhere else [at least in terms of focus personality - Serge]. That is important for your overall psychological well being. Otherwise, you might think that you might be somewhat schizophrenic.

So, there is an innate knowing within you that always, you are whom you are. Others recognize you. You do not have to question whether your creditors will ever think you are someone else neither do you have to worry that your loved ones will not recognize you nor will you stop recognizing them.

You also utilize this faith literally, to give strength and force to the vital realities that flow in and out of yourselves and your thoughts on a continual basis up to and including the entire tableau of physical reality, up to and including the entire planet, with everything being where it is supposed to be. So, that you know that a city or a continent will not be misplaced, including the position of your planet within the solar system and the solar system, having its place in the galaxy, and so on and so forth.

These lead into far deeper areas. As far as what we want to bring up is that this faith exists at your biological, cellular level as much as it exist in those spiritual realms that you also have your existence in. Without this faith, none of what you see before you and none of what you engage with will ever take place, including the fact that you are, period.

It is indeed a very significant small word. F-A-I-T-H. Five small characters. Somehow or other brought together, strung together, side by side, carrying an impact of deep significance. Once you have somehow or other determined, by labeling this, then you are confident that you will always have that faith. It behooves every single individual to understand that above and beyond the religious indoctrinations, having to do with having or placing your faith here and there, ultimately you will leave behind those faiths because they are temporary. They exist for a time. They are there to assist you in recognizing a much larger faith that expresses itself through your daily moments and which enables you to recognize that above all things, you are far more than a simple, physical mechanism that runs like a machine for there is a spark in you, this ELAN VITAL, the vital force, that is your own self. Ultimately all of the religions in the world are then to have you recognize this vital force and help you use it.

Now, enough preaching from the pulpit, we’ll take a small break.

Break begins at 7:52pm

NOTE: During this very small break, we discussed the point KRIS mentioned about the unconscious biological faith we collectively have whereby we always know who and what we are, will always recognize ourselves and our loved ones and similarly, they will always recognize us. This got me to wondering about people who have illnesses such as Alzheimer’s. People affected by this illness can no longer remember who they are nor can they recognize their loved ones. Again, KRIS quickly jumped in!

Break ends at 7:54pm

KRIS: Now, do not think that if you forget to brush your hair in the morning that you’ve lost your biological faith. You cannot misplace it. It goes beyond your biological agendas. It is part and parcel of what you are. Though you may change your physical body when you take on another experience or expression, that faith will still be present!

People that suffer from Alzheimer’s and other similar debilitating conditions have not lost their biological faith. Otherwise, they would also forget their body parts. What they are doing is using this so called “illness” condition to gradually disengage from physical focuses creating other adventures for themselves. Whether they are in other physical expressions or not, they have found that this presents a somewhat legitimate means by which they can gradually move away from physical experience, as they have understood it.

As such a condition progresses, the individual is moving more and more out of that form sometimes for hours on end. It used to be that senility was often a preferred means of changing focus. Though some folks still experience senility, now the prevalent means is through Alzheimer’s and certain other related conditions to move into another focus. Do you understand?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: But the faith that helped them originate their physical expression functions until the transferring or the migration of consciousness is complete. Then, all of the elements that have been shaped and molded in accordance with the laws of physics in your reality, when the personality vacates those premises, then you are left with a shell. Eventually, that shell is returned to its original component, back to the earth, in one form or another. There is still always a process of transformation of energy from one state to another. Do you understand?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: This Alzheimer’s is not limited to human beings. Some animals have started to demonstrate this, especially companion animals that have lived closely with humans as well as some cetaceans.

ALEX: Some what?

KRIS: Cetaceans…sea mammals.

ALEX: Okay, thank you.

KRIS: Not all whales and dolphins that beach themselves are doing so because of toxic poisoning or sound pollution or disorientation. Some are also doing so because like in Alzheimer’s patients, they have gotten lost and no longer know how to orient themselves without assistance.

ALEX: Hmm. Why is this happening more and more? Is this supposed to teach us about the disengaging into…

KRIS: It is occurring because more individuals are leaving for other adventures, because other individuals are exploring other adventures.

ALEX: But why are we noticing the disengaging process being longer? If they’re leaving, why don’t they just leave?

MARK: It’s always been there. It’s just we used to call it senility. Before that it was probably called it something else. It was the flavor of the day.

ALEX: You think?

MARK: Am I right?

KRIS: Many individuals in ages past were considered to have lived a foolish life if they died in their sleep. This still occurs but to a lesser degree. Now, other efforts are also often coordinated into the process to make certain that other individuals perhaps may learn lessons and experiences through someone else’s passing away, perhaps through the form of a long illness. This is not always the case. There is a certain valor in going out with a kind of struggle though that is entirely within your belief structure and not necessarily factual of honor.

Do you have other questions?

ALEX: I guess that would explain…my mother has Alzheimer’s and she’s gotten worse. It’s interesting because I have a niece who got pregnant and had a baby and she (my mother) commented on this well before we even knew she (my niece) was pregnant. We had no clue and she (my mother) commented on this for months before. And we thought ‘oh, it’s just the Alzheimer’s.’ Was that because she had communicated with the other side and got that information, because she was right on?

KRIS: She could likely have been partaking of the process of that focus to enter the fetus and help grow the physical body. Do not think that because someone is elderly and frail and senile or has Alzheimer’s, that they are truly vegetable-like. They often are far busier than you are, exploring many things they could not do in the physical. Expanding their awareness to such a point where eventually the physical form is seen as no longer suitable to maintain the vital force they are in the process of becoming. Therefore, as good as the analogy may sound, when you have outgrown your wardrobe, you go and get a new one. Correct?

ALEX: Correct.

KRIS: Indeed. When these individuals have outgrown the usefulness and purpose of their one physical expression, then they disengage from it and its environment in one form or another, traumatically or gradually or quickly and return its basic elements to nature. This allows nature to weave another suit of flesh and blood for another individual taking birth somewhere. So it is indeed an ultimate recycling system.

ALEX: That’s one way of putting it!

KRIS: Indeed. No one need concern themselves with salient green. Now, do you have any questions (referring to Mark)?

MARK: Nope. Not on topic anyway.

KRIS: Then, what about non-topic?

MARK: Well, a couple of people have expressed questions. One that you said you would comment on and that is from Stephen Ornah. He wanted to ask Kris how Serge would have received the information if Serge had never read any Seth stuff or if Seth nor Elias never showed up. He said that he would ask his inner self the same question and he would get the information through color, sound and dreams.

KRIS: That sort of an answer is only partially correct. Even as an individual expression, whether it is Joseph or any other focus, you still have access to the full gambit of the essence’s resources. Therefore, through whatever paths are necessary, the information would have found its target, somehow, somewhere in time and space for that unique focus. If Joseph had never read Seth or anything else for that matter, we would have had to assert that Joseph be blind, deaf and dumb so that no information could reach him and still Joseph’s inquisitive nature would have developed other means to acquire the information that he knew was his to acquire as with any other focus personality.

It is within the means of each and every focus to have access to all of the information it seeks. When there is a seeking of information, it will come in one form or another whether through dreams as conversations, an inspirational or psychological explosion that would have led to psychic experiences. It could have come in any way, shape or form but it would have come, regardless. As it will with any individual seeking information, granted that they at least get off the seat of their complacency to acquire and follow up on the impulses that contain the information. That is how your worlds are born. That is how you are born yourselves; through the simple desire to be and to know. That alone generates everything you could possibly seek and know in all directions, concentrically, across all times and spaces and dimensions. The simple desire to seek, to know, to be, appears almost insignificant but indeed it is such a powerful notion that all the conditions necessary to express all the variations of the theme are automatically generated by the simple act of desire. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes, thank you. I thought of another question. This is for me. Lately I’ve been having a lot of dreams, especially as I read Oversoul Seven (a Jane Roberts/Seth book). Natanje, possibly a little black boy, possibly an older senior citizen but somebody said to me in the dream, “You needn’t let Natanje win.” Is Natanje another focus of mine?

KRIS: You captured the tail end of several discussions pertaining to these two focuses. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: These are two focuses of yours.

MARK: Mmhmm (yes). I got that impression.

KRIS: The discussion itself was far more involved and does not concern us. It was far more involved than what you recall and therefore, perhaps was too much to retain during the process from dream state to waking state but you at least permitted a small remnant to be brought back and that had to do with these two focuses.

MARK: And I know that my conversation was with Philip who was at that time a feminine energy.

KRIS: Indeed. Essences are neither feminine nor masculine though it may carry the tones of both and at the same time, not be concerned whether it is displaying one or the other according to the circumstances.

MARK: That I understand. There was also in another dream as I was telling Serge, a male figure, which took on the looks of somebody I knew. I was having a conversation with this man. It would have been a normal, everyday conversation but I understood and felt an overwhelming love on both sides of the conversation. Was that Joseph?

KRIS: Indeed. You had summarized correctly that some of your own moods were reflected through Joseph to be shown to you. As well as Joseph also flashed, in a manner of speaking , showed the kinds of moods that are from essence to you. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes, I do.

KRIS: So, there definitely was an exchange of some kind in the dream state. As to some of the finer details, they may eventually resurface in other dreams for they will be used again. The props are never thrown away.

MARK: I definitely find that Oversoul Seven is really, I was about to say expanding my dreams but extending my awareness of my dreams.

KRIS: Indeed. Many individuals, for instance, cannot delve too deeply into the Seth material because they find it somewhat heavy, but the trilogy of the Seven books will give them an awakening as well because it contains the same information, organized differently and vice versa. Thus, you are finding that you already know how to do many things but you needed a trigger and the book is such for you. Now what is the time?

MARK: Quarter after eight.

KRIS: Indeed. Then we will take a small break.

Break begins at 8:15pm.

NOTE: During this break, I mentioned that many years ago, I spoke with a woman who was psychic. She mentioned that she was working on expanding her consciousness to the point where she hoped that when she would pass away, not only would her spirit leave this world but she was hoping to take her physical body with her, so that all of her – body, mind and spirit – would completely vanish from the face of the earth. Unintentionally, this comment seemed to ignite a spark in KRIS because he came back with quickly with great PASSION and FORCE!

Break ends at 8:26pm

KRIS: (VERY passionately and demonstratively, moving his hands, stomping them on the armrest of the chair, etc.) What you have described just now pertains to groups of individuals who hold an obsessive observation of release pertaining to ascension, to the point where they are convinced that they can meditate and therefore, elevate themselves above physical matter because it restrains them from full, spiritual expression as if, somehow or other having incarnated in flesh and blood has soiled their souls and by purification they will make it clean again. These are nothing more than the remnants of traditional sin based orthodox teachings, laden and laced with guilt and so on and so forth and everything that comes with that baggage. It is an extremely naïve perception. When you move into another house, do you bring the old house with you?

ALEX: No.

KRIS: Of course not. You leave it behind for others to use. Similarly, when you leave your physical form, you know your physical form is not who you are. It is only a projection, an approximation of portions of yourself, the rest of which may be expressed elsewhere. But to think you can take out of the system the very elements that are loaned to you is, again very naïve, and extremely cavalier.

The elements of nature are offered to the personality whether it is initially done through the auspices of DNA, upon which the building blocks of physical life are built, such as the skeletal system, the nervous system, muscular, circulatory, digestive, reproductive and so on are built upon to create that physical expression of your being. All of the elements, the minerals, the chemicals, the liquids that are used to weave that cloth, that suit for the soul so to speak, to house you, do not belong to you. They are an expression of you but they are returned to the system to, again, be eaten by worms from which the worms will cast their roots back into the earth. In other words, your physical bodies are a cleverly knitted bundle of worm poop.

ALEX: Nice.

KRIS: So when you wake up in the morning and say to yourself “I feel like shit today,” you may not be that far off! You are simply feeling your worm essence!

ALEX: I’m seeing a whole ‘nother side to you KRIS. Oh my God…too funny!

KRIS: When you leave your physical form, you do not need to take with you anything because you took nothing when you came into it. The idea that you would obviously meet all of your past relatives, friends and loved ones, again, only occurs as one layer past the physical form. Many of those who take on the appearance of your loved ones and your departed ones are neither. They are beings who understand and can telepathically see whom you need to see so that you can at least retain a certain level of familiarity and recognition, knowing that all is not lost until you are able to move beyond those concepts and leave behind certain layers of building structures and move into others.

It is important then to have certain physical landmarks in terms of dearly departed ones before you to give you reassurance that there are still loving elements to be found. They may not even be the individuals that they represent. They can be teachers, beings that are specifically trained to act as “after death midwives”, allowing you to gradually transfer your concentration into other areas of consciousness and look forward to new adventures. It is not that once you leave the physical form, POOF, you are now instantaneously cosmically aware. You gradually regain more and more remembrance. There are times when there are certain issues of life that need to be revisited. There are individuals who need nurturing and healing and counseling that may have had tragic endings or may also have committed suicides that need assistance to orient themselves because of the deeply engrained beliefs pertaining to the damnation that comes with the taking of one’s life. These situations have to be worked through. When the individual realizes that they are not dead, far from it, they have to do that on their own (work through it on their own). There are those who will lead them to water but they have to drink.

The idea that you take your whole physical form with you is truly erroneous. Religions have depicted ascensions by deeply advanced spiritual beings in their own dogma. These are misinterpreted when it is considered to be a literal factual, historical event. No one human being has seen another ascend in that sense of the word. They are only reported in religious scriptures. It is significant because it means a searching, moving away from one state into another not because one is lowly or less desirable but because it is time to make that transition. Does that make sense to you?

ALEX: That makes sense.

KRIS: Indeed.

ALEX: I just have one question and that is if someone dies tragically, not in a suicide way but let’s say someone was tortured or murdered. I believe we choose how we come here. Do we choose how we die?

KRIS: That is a contentious issue. The individual would certainly not sit at her coffee table the night before getting hit by a bus and draw out the plan for her demise. But there would be an unconscious understanding that there is now a need to check out. There are a variety of ways to check out. If an opportunity presents itself, and at the same time, also change the lives of others, then let that opportunity come. It is not that an individual is fated to be hit by a bus or have a house fall on them. That is more of a Hollywood production.

But that individual will have a certain degree of unconscious awareness such as what makes it that the morning of a flight, someone will decide, no, they do not want to get on that flight? Or something occurs that prevents them. Perhaps they have a flat tire on the highway and cannot reach the airport and the flight leaves. Within a half an hour, the plane crashes and everyone dies. And what makes it that someone actually does board that plane? What makes it that the one who could not take her seat has that seat sold to someone who is waiting for a seat? These are all choices. It would certainly be scandalous to think that someone planned it in the conscious, linear sense but there is still another layer of the self that decides this is appropriate. Do you understand?

ALEX: Yeah. Is that decided before they came into the world?

KRIS: Not necessarily. The choices can be made or even reversed at any time. Though someone may decide perhaps they would prefer to jump off a bridge, perhaps even that person on the way to commit suicide may see a small kitten and decide that life is worth living. Or they may get hit by a bus on the way to committing suicide.

KRIS: Do you understand?

ALEX: Yes.

KRIS: So there are countless opportunities for individuals to check out as there are for individuals to check in.

ALEX: I was thinking more in terms of someone like Cecilia Zhang who got abducted. I was thinking of the more horrible deaths. Why would anybody choose something like that?

KRIS: Why would someone choose to die in a manner of these five people in Florida (I don’t know who KRIS is referring to here)? [Kris was referring to the group of young people savagely, brutally murdered by being beaten to death with aluminum baseball bats just recently in Florida].

Of course, to your conscious mind, it makes absolutely no sense that someone would choose this but these people did not throw dice to make that kind of a decision. There is an overall constitution above and beyond the linear processes. Does that make sense?

ALEX: Yes, it does.

KRIS: Indeed. So, this is viewing existence from a different platform altogether. One that says that the individual chooses his or her birth and the means of their birth and whether they will pursue as well as the individual chooses the means and the time of their exit, which includes all of the choices between A to Z. You live as you choose to. Otherwise, this whole experiment in consciousness is for what?

ALEX: Nothing.

KRIS: It is somewhat nice for some people to think that their whole lives are predestined and they have nothing to be responsible for because it is predestined, but that is not what the initial experiment is meant for. Even for those individuals that believe, wholeheartedly, that the only rule that applies is of predestination, they have to choose that to believe that. So, whether they admit it or not, they still choose to believe that. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:43pm.

KRIS: Indeed. Well, we humbly ask then to allow us to continue our business as well. Enjoy your non-predestined evening.

MARK and ALEX: Thank you.

Session ends at 8:43pm.

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