Gaura Cluster 2 – More on Kris

June 28, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.
Monday June 28, 2004

Roll Call: Lida, Andrea, Andrea’s boyfriend Martin from England and Mark

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7:36 PM. Session begins.

KRIS: We are glad that you have returned from your adventures and we see that you have brought your companion.

(Kris is referring to Andrea and Martin who have been away travelling for four weeks across Asia)

Now we hope that you will be comfortable with our humble self and that you will enjoy your visit here.

Now do you have any questions?

MARK: A billion. Maybe you can start by talking about the Gaura (Cluster of consciousness)?

KRIS: Indeed. Since Joseph has so gently addressed that we should not disturb him yesterday.

(Mark and Serge were on a subway train heading downtown. While on the train we were talking about the Gaura Cluster and Kris indicated that he wanted to add to the conversation but Serge brushed him off given our location at the time)

As we have described last week, these various levels of consciousness have to be understood in their proper context. This is not like a department store, where each unit is conveniently displayed in a manner suitable for purchasing. These various areas of consciousness are described to give you as precise as possible, a detailed description of nested psychological properties of personality structures. As we have previously described, another manner of viewing it is as an ‘Inner Self Network’ with its various server networks, but also with some differences.

What we are attempting to continue to describe leads into our area which we have termed the Gaura, our home base if you so desire. This is our belonging to, and as we started describing to Joseph yesterday, indeed this cluster is a very important and significant, because it acts as the birthing blueprint cluster.

This means it acts as a model where the many clusters that engender various dimensions and planes and worlds are themselves part of still a larger system where personality structures are rather beyond your present understanding, since it even behooves you to try and grasp the concept of a multidimensional personality structure as ourselves. Suffice it to say that the Gaura cluster contains the ‘essential blueprints’ from another system that is used to generate all of the clusters that we will continue to describe and others we may not describe.

From these, your various dimensions and universes and realities and planes and planets have their source. So the Gaura cluster is a Source Event from which others are engendered. That being the case, we ourselves have briefly described that in a mergence with other essences, we often seed multitudes of dimensions that give birth to many realities and within those realities, many civilizations indeed. The energy that still sustains even those that you consider past civilizations and those we have previously termed proto-ancient civilizations are still maintained and fed energy, because they still continue their existences of spite of the fact that they have moved out of the focus of your present personalities and realities.

So we ourselves are considered ‘essence-source’, that psychological womb from which other clusters and their essence families group themselves and pursue their individualistic developments into the fulfillment of all of those values pertinent to their psychological well being.

Does that frazzle some of your fuses??

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MARK: It clarifies and frazzles at the same time.

KRIS: In more ancient cultures such as the one we participated in the creation of, the one we referred to as the Rama Civilization, which engendered the entire development of the ancient Ayur Vedic (Vedic) Civilization, do you recall?

MARK: Yes I do.

KRIS: Under that terminology, we have been known by many names, and two in particular concerning that system of belief structures, from which even your present day civilization comes from – is rooted in, we have been known by various names, two of which are prominent: one is Vishnu and the other is Brahma. They are the characterizations and embodiments of ‘some’ of the qualities perceived by the speakers, the tellers, the Rishis and even the very ancient priests in that culture.

This entire reality based belief structure provided the psychological-genetic materials that are still found within your present civilization as follows its own natural evolution, following its own development, continuing its own endeavors of value fulfillment and creatively pursuing the transformation of energy from one state into another, from what you call the unseen into the world of the seen or of physical matter construction. Does that make some sense to you?

Yes.

KRIS: Now the trance has been far deeper than normal for so early on, so we will give Joseph a small break.

OK.. 7:49 PM.

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8:01 PM

KRIS: What is it specifically that you do not understand? Now we would understand if you did not understand the whole ball of wax.

MARK: You said something to the effect of them being, the Gaura comes from outside the clusters?

KRIS: The Gaura’s ‘stamp’ (blueprint) if you wish, is from another system entirely, another species of clusters whose psychological constructions are not explainable in your terms as of yet. And from that system are found the blueprints within our cluster the Gaura, from which other clusters then find their form. Does that make sense? Yes.

MARK: Then beyond that, there’s another system of clusters that design those systems of clusters that design the next system of clusters??

KRIS: To a certain degree but it may even be different, suffice it to say for the time being that these structures are more and more removed from your ability to conceive of the very notion of structures and selves. You may have only had a superficial understanding or even a glimpse of some of these realities. They are again as removed from the ant as the sun is in such a case. Do you understand? (Yes).

And that, in spite of such vast psychological distances, one can still be found in the other. There are layers upon layers of structures to your personalities that you can barely begin to imagine, that sometimes your own ideas of Self escape you.

Never minding such a structure as a Super Self in that respect.

From these psychic and psychological blueprints found in the Gaura, other clusters take their forms or structures. Essence personalities are then self-generated through their own intent and countless realities flow from such vast psychic beings. Some of these often end up in the mythologies of your various religions and belief systems.

As we have described with ourselves, do keep in mind that Vishnu and Brahma are characterizations. They are an ‘archetype’ that represent, but are not ‘the’ main object.

Do you have other questions?

Group: No – we are trying to take it all in – laughing.

KRIS: Definitely the boundaries of your imaginations have been stretched.

Group: No kidding!

KRIS: And in actuality, the boundaries of the imagination are not necessarily made to be stretched as much as the focus personality, the self you think you are is now accommodating the boundaries of that imagination. This also encapsulates the need to redefine your own beliefs or convictions concerning what is SELF. What is identity, what is the Universe that you find that self in, whom you are and what are you, all take on a totally different meaning than the usually assigned context of those questions: whom are you and what are you?

Now, the answers pertinent to those questions are taken into another dimension altogether. Thus we alluded to an multidimensional personality structure, quite unlike one that you are accustomed to dealing with on a regular day to day basis because you assume that others are like you. But they are not, or at least some are not.

We have suggested last September in Colorado, that for instance you may think that the people that you see either walking down the street, waiting in the airport or in the cafeteria must obviously be just like you, though you might be surprised that some are not. Some may actually be the projections of other individuals who may even be sleeping, and others still may be image projections of other beings, other essences.

MARK: As Alex saw as a young girl?

KRIS: And others still. You take it for granted that your belief structure and your personality structure are a ‘done deal’. That somehow or other your personality is cast in stone, and yet many of you would be mistaken and quite surprised to realize that in the end you have, contained within your own personality, are the elemental structure matrixes that might even defy your notions, as pretty as they might sound, of what a personality is.

And your psychologists and psychiatrists have been attempting to formulate a definitive template of the human personality, and though some may dabble into the philosophical realm of ‘soul’, the majority may not even consider that the human personality is anything but a biologically constructed networks of chemical and memory nodes, that as soon as the physical form gives up its last breath, the personality is then forever and for all times extinguished, and all that remains of the individual would be found six feet under or in a cookie jar. .

And yet that shell, which is discarded at the time of death is merely the physical image, whilst the individuality indeed recognizes that it is something different from the body, and is not subject to the same conditions as the physical form and for the time that it manipulates that form, it is subject to its rules and it’s belief structures.

That is how the physical form comes about through a set of agreed upon convictions. Thus we have attempted to give you another perspective, an eagle’s eye view of a personality structure quite different from your own and though we choose the form of Joseph and we communicate with you in a manner that you may even recognize and interact with, our thinking is far different, in fact vastly different in the manner in which you think, and that you are not limited to your thinking and thought processing patterns, but these are the ones you are familiar with.

Therefore you stay in your own mental backyards, though with these evenings you are taking excursions into the unknown forests behind your fenced yard and you are discovering there are others worlds in that forest.

Thus we will give you a small break.

8:19 PM – end break 8:25 PM

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KRIS: Now it stands to reason then, that as source clusters and source events and ‘essence’ source, there are multitudes of dimensions and realities that literally stream out, basically filling up all of space in terms that you do not yet grasp because that you believe that if your eyes do not ‘see’ form as you expect to see between yourself and another object of some other definition or any definition, then of course that space is empty mainly because you have chosen to view that space only through the physical eyes and the not though your Inner Senses or non-physical eyes for that matter. You do not capture the life that lives itself between you and another or yourself and you somehow or other have accepted the conviction that these other energy source, source of energy the more space it should occupy. That is a result of how beautifully your physical sense lie about reality.

You are also somehow or other convinced that the heavier object would be the bigger object, which is not necessarily true, that is not a truth but simply a misconception according to the physical senses and what you believe about them. For indeed there are massive psychological or psychic energy personalities that in your terms would occupy so much of your space that you might feel somewhat disturbed, where it interpreted directly through your physical senses.

Indeed without occupying space as you know it, you may recognize indeed that in your dreams you may inhabit dream cities that cover vast geographical dream areas that do not occupy any real time space as you know it. There are psychological beings, ‘essence’ beings that do the same and yet they occupy no known space as you understand it, until their presences may be felt over vast geographical areas of your space, do you understand. (Yes).

Some of their energy fields may even be felt by members of your species, or even others. You may even notice at times that weather fronts may cover vast distances of geographical ground as you know it, and yet do not necessarily operate in a fashion that would occupy space per say.

Take your internet for instance, a vast system of servers and conduits, where you now talk in terabytes and even beyond of space, and yet its to be found on the surface of a few discs the size of your CD. You have within your own reality now the beginning of examples of some of these ideas. And in a similar manner as your internet system relays information over vast geographical distances, that would definitely be considered enchantment, magic or witchcraft not that long into the past.

Your species has come a long way in grasping some of these innate psychological references that you may not have any other means of expressing at this time, because that is what your species does so well; is to give form and shape and ‘matter’ to your ideas regardless of where you think you know where your ideas come from.

You are beginning to dabble into another realm and because of your perceptions, you barely think beyond the outside of the box or server for that matter, until you would get a bird’s eye view, and our attempts are meant to try and give you such a view, as best we can considering the limitations of your syntax. But we believe we have achieved another milestone this evening.

MARK: I think so too.

KRIS: And we also believe that you might appreciate the validity and the integrity of your being that much more tonight. What is the time?

MARK: 8:37 PM.

KRIS: We usually do not leave your lovely selves so early, but Joseph has had quite a workout so we will leave your lovely selves for now and until next time.

Grid of Perception – Evening Walk with Kris

June 28, 2004

Evening Walk with Mark and Kris
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 28, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Kris and Mark (Philip) have a private chat during a walk after a Monday night group session. Time unknown.

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Mark’s Notes: Mark turns on the recorder and puts it into Serge’s jacket pocket.

KRIS: So you are certain that your gizmo is working?

MARK: Yes I think so.

Kris pulls the recorder out of the jacket pocket and looks at it to make sure that it is recording.

KRIS: Indeed. There is a grid of perception used by all life forms on your system. You could say that it permeates the invisible atmosphere in your system and all life forms tap into it, each life form according to its capabilities, its development and its fulfillment. Obviously there are certain co-minglings among this vast grid as you have interaction with all various types of life forms.

Certain animals interact very well with human beings whilst others eat them and certain human beings interact well with other humans, with other animals and some humans eat other animals. That is another story for another walk.

Here, this grid of perception is used by and tapped into to enable a specific, highly precise wavelength, so to speak, though the words are inaccurate to the degree we would like. There are certain mechanisms in the human psyche that enable the focus personality to tune out other forms of perceptions and start dealing with the dynamics and the vitality that is pertinent to its own species and this is agreed to by the source selves as a necessary means to help each focus personality develop, evolve and mature on its own, all the while the source self keeping an eye out on its offspring.

So this grid of perception, of course is not visible to the naked eye but it is tied in directly with the vast system of convictions that permeate this mental atmosphere, the belief networks that we described two weeks back and in order to maintain a certain level of integrity between various species obviously the human species would tune out most perceptions belonging to other species on its planet or on its plane, though some individuals choose not to tune all of them out, such as those individuals who are able to communicate with the tones of certain animal species, so they have not tuned out all of the perceptions that others would.

Another example of those individuals whom do not tune out the possibilities inherent in expanding and communicating with other types of personality structures, such as what you have presently with Joseph and ourselves. So certain key dynamic elements of the grid of perception have been left ‘on’ and other switches have been left ‘off’.

You may, though somewhat in a crude fashion, compare them to a vast relay of dip switches that enables every species to maintain a certain type of integrity relevant to their purposes and fulfillment.

This is the grid of perception available at the level that is transitory between framework 1 and framework two or level one and level two so that elements found in framework two do not specifically interfere with or interrupt the perceptions of the focus personality that is not suited to dealing with other perceptions and structures of perceptions from other levels that is at the level of conscious perception.

There are other layers more deeply nested into the grid of perception. These contain various ‘nodes’; key points that may enable crossovers or bleed throughs directly into other dimensions. Not many individuals in your system are able to sustain contact with those specific nodes at those layers of the grid of perception.

In Joseph’s case for instance, we needed a personality structure that could easily tap into an expanded personality structure, one that had the mediumistic abilities of many decades of experience even if acquired through extended structures of ‘counterparts’.

Now, Joseph as you know him is a counterpart of Ruburt, or more specifically the Serge focus is a counterpart of the Jane Roberts focus personality. Since we are indeed affiliated with your version of Seth, it stands to reason that other personality structure gateways were open, available in a slightly unorthodox fashion but still enabled to grow with the foundation already laid, speaking in terms of the personality structure of the Jane Roberts focus creating an ego and both inner and outer ego structure, focus self, inner self that at one point could go much beyond it’s own definitions of itself and still be able to sustain it’s own perceptions but eventually grow with them as well and not create such a dichotomy as is often seen by many mediumistic individuals or those with such talents where after a certain period of time they are unable to pursue the development and either turn, if they are not already afflicted with addictions, turn to them in one form or another, either alcohol or drugs of one kind or another or simply disintegrate in terms of a personality structure.

(Mark’s Notes: Here we have, for the first time some insights into a source self or a couple of source selves explaining to us some of their desires and intents, as well as some of the decisions and thoughts that they put into the creation of a focus personality. Kris almost comes across sounding like a mad scientist talking about his creation as an ‘it’.)

As we have suggested, it requires a strong ego base in order to be able to accommodate the changes in psychic atmosphere, especially as they are progressing now. This why you yourself are so important, had you not been there this evening this development would not have occurred as it did, because in some respect though you are your own individual self with your own validity, you are still much a portion of what we are, as is Joseph. Do you have questions?

MARK: Nope. Keep going. (Pause). So I am as much a part of you….Is Philip part of Joseph or are the two separate?

KRIS: They are both individualistic but they still contain similar intent. Thus we are able to, all three (of us) work together in this manner and as you have already seen this phenomenon is quite different from the run of the mill changelings that are a plenty in the city. Your audience may eventually show up in this city but your overall reach is far bigger.

MARK: I have already begun to notice that.

KRIS: And at the same time, you will still benefit from those that come out of the woodwork so to speak in due time.

And as it has already been pointed out now the entity Seth laid a formidable foundation, one that will continue to grow and upon that foundation yet more interesting material may be extracted, focused upon. But it requires time and dedication which you both have demonstrated more over the last six months.

By keeping at what you are doing you are inadvertently calling to you those who would respond favorably, in one form or another but it still requires work. Now the material that we are delivering is on a threshold, it is at the edge of a plateau and with your combined dedication then it may continue to expand. You have seen it unfold many times over in the last six months. Its present manifestation is a far cry from one year ago and that is the result of your combined dedication.

As an aside, you may have misread your friend Lucy’s intentions (not her real name) when over a year ago she wanted a book, your having been convinced that she wanted deeper spiritual insight into all of this reality creation mechanism. What her true intent was, it was not for…

MARK: It was for us? (Questioned in disbelief).

KRIS: As well her true intent as more specifically was to jump the gun and try to bypass the materials that she was receiving from Abraham’s group because she found that some of it took longer than she was willing to wait. Thus if she could get something more exciting and quicker to work with she was willing to go out for it. Thus it was stopped.

Ultimately you have also realized that despite certain friendships offered it had hooks and would have proved as disastrous in any direction, but at that time you both felt that you needed someone of her apparent social standing, her apparent contacts which proved to be far fewer than intimated and far more confused so you drew her and her friends to you as a reflection of your own confused state, never minding the confusion in your house.

Both are reflections of your own attitudes, thinking perhaps that all you had to do was to sit pretty and the lines would form at the door. Now you realize that the more efforts that you put into it indeed that the compensation is, both in terms of the new friends that you have found and even though the number of private consultation might still be slower than anticipated but still they are coming in.

MARK: Yes, agreed.

KRIS: Therefore the more that you yourself engage the grid of perception to open up your own personality structures and the more that you focus on warm hearted human interactions, the easier it is to be who you are as opposed to fending off the world because you are afraid. Do you have questions?

MARK: No. I am understanding this, and of course that in hind sight it all makes perfect sense. It isn’t how I anticipated things to be from the way Serge described them when we met.

KRIS: This time the procedures are somewhat different because the material is far heavier in nature and more challenging. We are pushing the envelope that much more.

MARK: That is something that I much prefer. Obviously my dedication to it has increased as you pushed the envelope. The more you push the more I type.

KRIS: We have suggested some months ago that if you give 100 percent we will give you 150. We believe that we have upheld our end of the agreement and we believe that you have as well.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: Now then we also believe that we will return Joseph to you to continue your walk.

Kris on Kris

June 21, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator

Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, June 21 2004

Roll Call: Lida, Mark and Paul Helfrich via speakerphone.

(Mark’s Note: Kris in the past has identified himself as “belonging to” Sumafi/Sumari/Milumet.

(“… our own primary alignment is also Sumafi. We will design secondary and tertiary alignments. Our own secondary is Sumari and tertiary alignment is Milumet.” April 5, 2004

(Recently on the Discussions Forum of NewWorldView.com [NWV] someone posted a portion of an unpublished Elias transcript where they asked if Kris “belonged to” Sumafi, and Elias said, “no.” Because of this there was an appearance of conflict between Kris and Elias.)

Session starts at 7:28 PM.

KRIS: Now we welcome you, those near and those far.

LIDA: Thank you very much Kris.

KRIS: We believe that you have some interesting questions this evening. (Pause) Please feel free to ask.

MARK: Paul?

PAUL: You can start Mark and I will do some follow up questions.

MARK: I just have a really quick one from our beloved friend Tina… or Marisa, and she was inquiring about our familiarity, obviously if there was a past life(s) there with all of us.

KRIS: (Pause) Now not all associations are necessarily fleshed out in the standard expressions in terms of your past lives. Other associations can be cultivated in the dream states and this is where Aurora [Tina] has contacts with both Joseph and Philip as well as ourselves.

You must understand that for the most part you still tend to view dreams often as if they are separate, extended and somewhat less substantial experience of reality, whilst in fact there are truly no such divisions except in your own belief structures. When you engage in the dream states in various levels the experiences are as deep, meaningful, fulfilling, and can be as extravagant as any experience that you engage in physical expression.

Aurora has a very motherly nurturing aspect to her persona, one that been used and displayed many times, and some of that information can be brought to her through her own dream experience. Do you follow?

Though it would perhaps appear more substantial and “prettier” to say that in a past life you all went to the pub, and had a pint, and reminisced about the good old days. There is no less validity in doing the very same thing in the dream state, engaging in the same pint-sharing atmosphere. Is that sufficient?

MARK: Very much so. Thank you.

KRIS: If we had a pint now we would raise it to her. (Laughter)

PAUL: And Kris, just a follow up question on NWV, and the discussion forums there, and in person when the folk get together, there is a “familiarity” that a lot of people feel. And this reminds me that those of us who are coming together on websites, and in cyberspace or whatever, hold similar connections as those that you just described. So not only are there past life connections, but also those within the dream state, which is infinitely more advanced. So, this has something to do with the familiarity that we feel after interacting with each other.

KRIS: Indeed. Your cyberspace is an intermediary construction, not entirely artificial adjacent to a space between physical construction and dream constructions. This one engineered through the auspices of the conscious focuses of individuals providing an arena where emotional and psychological realities are quite vivid, enabling individuals to notice when possible that certain aspects are extensions within cyberspace of physicality and even dream reality.

So it is a clever blend of the two generated through technology, one of your first excursions into “loving technology.” Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Oh yes.

KRIS: Used properly it can provide a very therapeutic medium. Forgive the pun.

PAUL: It is ironic that the Internet and the technical protocols were designed to withstand the horror of a nuclear attack, so that the network would continue to function no matter which parts of it were destroyed. And that seems to be a perfect mirror of our dream self, our essence self.

KRIS: Indeed, it is meant to mimic certain portions of essence self.

MARK: I believe that you once said that almost everything here mimics portions of essence self.

KRIS: Not all of what exists outside of the inner field of events can be transposed into physical expression, but you do try your best. (Short pause) Please continue.

PAUL: I have a follow up question to that. Just having come from the Internet and that kind of connectivity, the conversation that we are having tonight by long distance phone call from California to Toronto, we are connected and we are in a time of history where different channels and sources can be looked at, and compared, and contrasted. And of course, we get into areas of misunderstanding and distortion and confusion, and I think that is part of why we are here tonight to try and talk about, too.

So my next question is, then, on NewWorldView there has been some confusion about your information Kris. And I know it is only introductory, and there is still more to come out, specifically with the clans and clusters. I believe that it was the April 5th session, and you delivered a new concept where there is a primary, a secondary, and a tertiary – let’s just call it a “belonging to” to use an Elias piece of jargon at the essence level – the “belonging to” and at the focus level the “aligning with.”

When Joanne and I spoke with you a week or so ago, we did ask you about that, and you went into the area of pointing out – I am doing this from memory now – that it had to do with the sub-family context, the gradations of them, and that it is not just the nine families in the clans and clusters you have shared – there are 27 [Ulal], there is 12 [Myr], and there is one clan that has over 100,000 [Danntanamu]. So the “intentions” are vast.

So I guess to try and narrow it down, if you could just talk about the primary, secondary, and tertiary, and how you said – and correct me if I am wrong – that you, Kris, your primary was Sumafi, your secondary was Sumari, and your tertiary was Milumet. And someone, this isn’t formalized yet, but someone asked Elias a question if you (Kris) “belong to,” in Elias’ terms, the Sumafi family and claims that Elias said, “no.”

There is on the surface level a discontinuity, and it confuses all of us greatly. So I am going to let you talk.

KRIS: We are familiar with the interactions. Now to reminisce a moment or visit your discussion of families of consciousness. It stands to reasons that if you had only seven, eight, or nine intents you would be exceedingly limited in your capacity to act and to interact with others. Correct?

You need a constant flux. You need diversity, and though the Taaj cluster has nine families, they are not static like nine Christmas balls on the Christmas tree hanging on the branch so to speak. And the very idea that each individual cluster is somehow or other is suspended again as Christmas balls on the Christmas tree branch is, and would be, a distortion. There are pathways and exchanges at all of these levels, but by aligning with intent you create a vast diversity of creative desires and impulses which are the motivational factors for all of creations in grades that would outstrip the imagination. Do you follow?

Now, over many years we have given information not all of which is to be found any longer, and that is not a difficulty. Over the last two years we have given information, and over the last six to eight months we have become more specific. In all such material there are no contradictions. In fact, we see no contradictions in what is asked of Elias or of any other source. The contradictions are simply the results of individual awarenesses, and where those awarenesses stand in alignment with convictions. So that is different. Do you follow?

PAUL: I understand.

KRIS: Indeed, now if you note what we said in the April 5th session we did say that we “aligned with.” That was intentional. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes I do. I recall your use of that word.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we will return to that in a moment. Over the past few years and over the last several months, we have provided information, and within that information we have dropped many hints that were intended to seed the psyche.

We have dropped hints, some extremely subtle about ourselves in descriptions of other items. That is purposeful to lay certain frameworks through which further information may then come through. Otherwise, setting up direct conflict with individual belief structures can cause more problems and more difficulties to rectify in the long run.

So we set up seeds of frameworks, and when these seeds take root we can set up another framework or seed, and so on and so forth, laying on the layers so to speak. Do you still follow?

PAUL: I follow you completely.

KRIS: Now, we have always refrained from directly answering questions as to our association with Seth [and Jane Roberts]. This is within some of the transcripts. We have been somewhat evasive on that issue. We have described that we are aligned with Sumafi/Sumari/Milumet, and we did not provide much more information on our behalf. Do you still follow?

PAUL: Yes I do.

KRIS: We have spoken about things that have not yet been presented in your culture, specifically the higher layers of frameworks that deal with the clusters and the other innovative approaches to aspect psychology. This is fairly new material. Do you not agree?

PAUL: Absolutely, and it is very evocative. I follow it completely. I understand how you plant seeds. Seth and Elias over the years have taken the same approach, and I have the benefit of the experience of learning that way. So I am just acknowledging what you are doing, and being somewhat less familiar myself with the specifics, but yet having full faith that I will find them fruitful, and they will bear fruit with others that read these transcripts.

KRIS: Indeed. Now [if] we had sleeves we would obviously have tricks up them. (Laughter) Now we have also presented others through the auspices of the Netjer 1. We have spoken very briefly of the Taraa 2, different from Goddess Tara, again, more seeds. The main difficulties are that though we “align with” Sumafi/Sumari and Milumet, we have described it in that manner specifically delaying as much as possible certain other information. Not specifically providing this information, but providing few amounts of information for a very specific reason.

For instance, the individual who sensed that we are not actual Sumafi was not that far off the mark, but her own ego construction investments cannot allow her to reach beyond those borders. Do you understand?

PAUL: Yes. And just to comment on that, Seth introduced this idea of the nine families, and Elias going on his tenth year has expanded upon that. So it’s out there, and people are reading, and I can observe in my own self its becoming a belief structure in my own psyche, crystallizing into this “nine” structure and learning the words. And now they are second nature to me, just like I have learned musical scales, solfege, or any other type of physical system. And so it makes sense that it will help guide new belief systems, new structures to emerge, but also that we, and you together are jointly pushing that envelope to expand that and refine it.

KRIS: Indeed. Now to continue revealing ourselves, if we can use the word, the reason why we have introduced the layout of those clusters [is] because if we “align with” essences “belonging to” Sumafi/Sumari/Milumet, what would that lead you to think? (Smirking)

PAUL: Ahh. It would lead me to be confused because you just used “belong to” and it is unclear how you are using “aligning with” as it pertains to your manner….

KRIS: (Interrupting) In exactly the same manner of Elias, but in this case we “align to” essence Sumafi/Sumari/Milumet. So that would perhaps indicate to you that we must “belong” somewhere else.

(Kris has a full smile on his face now). (Mark and Lida are raising their eyebrows at each other from across the room and mouthing the word “WOW.”)

PAUL: (Laughing) Okay. Yeah. Alright. Let me just try and… now I get it!

KRIS: Now we are playing “cat and mouse.”

PAUL: This has been part of my work in the last year Kris, and maybe it is a parallel thing, but it deals with “nested structures 3.” And we have from the Seth material, an outer ego, subconscious, and an inner ego. Also, Elias describes this inner ego level as subjective awareness.

Now here you are, representing this inner ego “level” thinking that you are “aligning with,” and we each have our own substructures or “subconscious,” and “inner self,” and that is nested relatively even deeper. Am I on the right track?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: That’s way cool.

KRIS: We are far more rebellious than assumed. Now if we actually “aligned with” essence, our “belonging to” must be something different. Perhaps to give you a hint “outside of” your system of families, and we have made those presentations in order to provide a certain, however small, framework or foundation to actually bring this about.

We are from another cluster, and we have indicated that no cluster system is closed. There is “traveling.” Some of our own essence products, if we can use such a crude word, “essence offshoots” 4 are actually nested within the Taaj cluster and are Sumafi/Sumari/Milumet. Our area, if you wish, is in that cluster that we would have numbered as ten. So you now have cluster number ten.

MARK: And it is named?

KRIS: You can call it the Gaura. G-A-U-R-A. (Pronounced Goor-ah)

PAUL: How many families of intent does that cluster have?

KRIS: The mainstay is 1,700.

PAUL: Is that specific? It’s not 1,701 or not 1,699?

KRIS: It is the mainstay, but there are always some visitors, for it is an interesting cluster even if we are slightly biased. (Laughter) You could call it a tourist town with a standard population that increases during tourist season. (More chuckling) Much teaching goes on in that cluster.

The method that we can travel through other clusters is to follow through on those essence offshoots.

MARK: Such as Serge… I mean Joseph and Philip (pause) and others?

KRIS: And others. Now there is also an interesting correlation, which is the main reason why we have refrained from providing anymore information about any alleged connection with Seth, the entity or essence. And the main reason that we have been so evasive on that issue is because it can be contentious. But you are familiar Seth’s description of his actually “belonging to” or having birthed from a blend of several other essences or higher selves or source selves. Are you familiar?

PAUL: I am drawing a blank right now on the specific reference but it makes sense that he would have said something like that 5.

KRIS: Now as well, Ruburt occasionally voiced in her own inimitable fashion, Seth II and Seth III and very briefly Seth IV – various frameworks of that vast, ancient entity. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes. Just a question on Seth II: is that connection there in one of these seventeen clusters?

KRIS: In actuality we are one of those source selves that ended up in the Taaj that ended up generating the Seth essence. So you could say that we are Seth III and Seth IV combined, but another expression of it, obviously not through Ruburt.

PAUL: Right.

KRIS: That is why we have resisted….

PAUL: … I’m just trying to get my head around it, and want to formulate a follow up question. Now, let’s see if I heard you correctly Kris. I asked you about Seth II and you made a connection that you, Kris, in some sense that I don’t understand in terms of this clan and cluster structuring, are directly related to Seth II, Seth III, and Seth IV.

MARK: As one of the source selves that created Seth … II, no sorry, Seth III and IV.

LIDA: III and IV he mentioned.

PAUL: I know these metaphors break down at this level…

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: …of II, III, and IV. Elias has offered something that is helpful but none of us fully understand it – the concept of essence fragmentation in which this inner self, source self structure, is creatively splintering, fragmenting – essence reproduction, so to speak, although it is not physical. So I am just trying to get my mind around this fragmentation that Elias has offered information upon. “Fragmentation,” I will put into quotes, creates lineages that we distort, so that you have this essence of Rose and Rose begat so and so, and so and so begat so and so. I can’t get into the specifics but this is a similar area about what you are talking about Kris. Is that correct?

KRIS: Though the genealogy may even elude us, do keep in mind that we are entering your system by “aligning with” essences that are then going through Joseph….

PAUL: (Interrupts) Can you elaborate on what that action entails?

KRIS: Please repeat.

PAUL: You said, “going through Joseph” you contact this framework 1, or some essences “go through Joseph,” so there is some relationship with Serge’s inner self.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: (Laughing) I don’t have a clue as to what that is; just to put it back to you.

KRIS: We could simply say that it is complicated, but suffice it to say all of the connections are in place, and though we have tried to minimize describing our own lineage or heritage in that fashion, we believe that sufficient ground work has been laid down and we can continue.

PAUL: And just one comment there Kris, I am realizing too that what – and I can only speak for myself – that what I had imagined Seth to be for the last thirty years or so, what I have imagined Elias to be for the last nine years are so, they are really quite different than what they really are and the same with you. And you are providing us with another map by pushing the envelope a little bit forward, that we are ready to sort of conceptualize, and so I am just processing. My mind is just blown a little bit.

KRIS: You may need a good brandy after this. (Laughter)

PAUL: Ahh, just a good night’s sleep, some good dreaming to digest it all. (Long pause) So you’re “belonging to” a different cluster called Gaura?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: And you’re “aligning with” that is what you said it was: Sumari/Sumafi/Milumet?

KRIS: Indeed. There are relationships that exist that enable us to have access into your system.

(Paul tries to formulate a question but Kris interrupts.)

KRIS: Not unlike utilizing servers on your Internet pathways – server relay systems – to get to a specific website hosted on a server many thousands of miles away.

PAUL: Very good analogy.

MARK: And the Joseph server is in the Taaj?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And the Philip server? (Giggling)

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: And where is the Janaki [my essence name used by Kris] server?

KRIS: You are also in the Taaj.

PAUL: I guess I should hope so, or otherwise I wouldn’t have a physical form here, right?

KRIS: It is one of the unique expressions of those who so desire, though not all essences in the Taaj actually do have physical form at any specific time.

MARK: In the Gaura is there a sort of a physical dimension that you are participating in as well, or is it totally different?

KRIS: Not in your terms or understandings of it.

MARK: Are you participating in other clusters as well?

KRIS: Indeed. This is how we are able to provide information about others (clusters). It is a vast network this inner self structure and do not believe that we understand most of it, for we have our own source as you do.

PAUL: Right. And there is something that I ran across in The Early Sessions, the Seth sessions where Seth eluded that he had an “outer ego,” and a subconscious, and an inner self. And that is what is lead me into this whole set of nested structures, and it is literally infinite.

KRIS: Indeed, and most assuredly the descriptions provided through Seth, Elias, or ourselves, however expressed and melodious, are still approximations of the real deal. Though we try our best to give you as real of an experience of it as possible.

PAUL: We have an expression: “The map is not the territory.” So you are delivering “maps” of different refinements and granularity, and we compare the maps in physical focus, and sometimes we get lost in the maps themselves.

KRIS: Indeed, the map can help you explore the territory, but it is a poor substitute for the exploration.

PAUL: And that is the practical application. People ask, “What is the purpose of this families concept?” They will say, “So what, nine families, big deal,” but the point is that it does help us to know our own intention, what our purpose is here in this physical focus but also….

KRIS: (Interrupts) Often the same individual may readily accept the concept of the enneagram…

PAUL: Right, right or astrological charts, numerology.

KRIS: …or even family structures, understanding civil, state and federal political structures. They are reflections again of the psychic politics.

PAUL: I always try to ask why are we collectively being given these maps over these last forty years?

KRIS: Because you are good explorers in spite of the fact that you may think that you are not.

MARK: We requested them, did we not?

PAUL: So our own gross level transformation of evolution, becoming, or whatever you want to call it, is such that when we are widening awareness, these maps may be beneficial to some what we collectively call satori or enlightenment experiences, where someone’s mind is blown by inner senses overloading, a blockage being released….

KRIS: (Interjects) It may be a context in which to have a certain understanding of your experience. Without that map you will get lost.

PAUL: That is beautiful. Thank you.

MARK: Is Kris one of the source selves of Philip?

KRIS: It is a difficult question, but we would have to say yes and no. Joseph is what it is through association, so there is an extended source connection, but Joseph is also quite individual. We hope that helps.

MARK: (Laughing) A bit. I do realize that it isn’t black and white like genealogy here on Earth.

PAUL: Is Serge’s Joseph the same as Rob Butts’ Joseph, or are they two different Josephs?

KRIS: That is an interesting question. In all of the individuals that exist on your physical planet you have no problem understanding that there can be more than one John, and Michael, and Harry, and Jack, but when it comes to metaphysical subjects, Jack must be the same all over! That is a gross distortion. Now, however, because of our own association with your Seth in that manner described there is certain clever connection.

We have said that we “align with” Sumari and Rob Butts’ Joseph is Sumari. There is a cousin-like relationship here, but it is not primary. It is secondary. Do you understand? Only to confuse you that much more.

PAUL: This is very helpful. I am used to this even though it might take me a little bit of time to assimilate this. What might be helpful is that, from your perspective, what would Janaki’s relative “belonging to” be in your terms?

KRIS: In our perspective, primary “belonging to” would be Milumet, secondary Gramada, tertiary we would have to provide a blend between Sumafi/Sumari again. Do you understand?

PAUL: That is interesting. I have always connected with all nine, but in terms of the Seth Material, the Sumafi and Sumari, and of course with Elias there have been similar connections there.

MARK: Question. Do you align with all Sumafi/Sumari in the Taaj and so on?

KRIS: It is not necessary. Do not think that all Sumafi are a carbon copy of each other.

MARK: Oh God, No!

KRIS: That would make Sumafi quite restless and we would even dare to play with Sumari intent simply to relieve the boredom, if you catch that joke.

MARK: Yes. (I have no idea why I said yes because it had to be explained to me later.)

KRIS: Though there are similarities there are still individual traits. Individuality is not lost or merged into a great melting pot or soup.

MARK: That is actually the basis of my question. If you are here from the Gaura and are “aligning with” all of the Sumafi.

KRIS: Ah, we did not say all Sumafi.

MARK: No, and my question was are you “aligning with” all because you would be getting a very wide experience. (So the answer to my question is obviously no.)

KRIS: This is also why “Essence-Arria” from your beloved [NWV] forum could not quite pinpoint the Sumafi roots, so she automatically assumed that it was bogus, but we do not blame her short-sightedness.

MARK: Actually it is wonderful that she created the opportunity for this discussion.

PAUL: Exactly.

KRIS: So now, perhaps you can see why we have delayed venturing into this direction for some time, and have instead laid small framework foundations that can then provide a strong enough platform to venture out of the “cluster closet” so to speak.

MARK: Please, please, please do me the favor of downloading this to Joseph, and therefore to Serge, because I am not even going to be able to begin describing all this to him. (Laughter)

PAUL: And a slight curiosity – when you started delivering this information – is that it is subtle, and it is complex. Whereas, and this says nothing against Elias who is one of my favorite teachers, but he uses very simple language to deal with very complex subtleties. And of course, he wrestles with the vagaries of our language and its limits, a linear language, with non-linear concepts.

KRIS: And if you are also examining some of the audience for Elias they often ask questions that automatically limit answers or demand watered down answers.

PAUL: That is something that I have become very aware of over the last three years and especially getting to know you and speak with you Kris. As I do as a teacher with my students, you gear your answers to your empathic perception of their level of understanding. I can see that in the Elias forum and I can that in the Kris Chronicles. I am just stating that for the record, and it is a beautiful thing.

KRIS: Indeed. Our hope is to eventually to create sufficiently a wide and large platform that those who read the material are more or less are enticed and invited to reframe not only their questions, but the whole manner of questioning and observing physical reality. Do you follow?

PAUL: Amen! (Laughter) Absolutely. Would you care to deliver some more of the clan names because you have only given us seven of the seventeen, or is it still premature?

KRIS: For the time being we will leave it at this until another evening. Now do you have other questions now that your top has been blown?

PAUL: We haven’t given Lida the chance to ask any questions.

LIDA: No thanks. I don’t have any questions.

KRIS: We see that your fuse has been shorted as well. (Laughter all around)

MARK: I would just like to comment on Kris’ comment that many of the Elias people inquiring tend to limit the question to a limited answer, and that become clear when Essence-Arria asks Elias for a yes or no answer, and not a detailed answer. (Note: I stand corrected here. It was not Essence-Arria that asked Elias the question. She was just the one that posted the unpublished transcript in the Kris Chronicles Forum in NWV).

PAUL: And that was something that I tried to gently point out in my response on the NWV Forums that the limiting nature of just going in to validate your own black and white thinking, and Elias will mirror that back. I am assuming Kris will do the same thing as the situation warrants.

MARK: Evolution. Planting the seeds.

KRIS: We are at least grateful that some of you think at least that you do not come from monkeys. (Laughter)

PAUL: Does the monkey’s genetic structure, and those of primates, of the trees, of insects… they are still within our bodies in some way, correct?

KRIS: Indeed. Indeed in your sub-strata of your genetic makeup these imprints are still valid because first of all as essence, as energy you use the matter of the physical world that specially formulated consciousness units (CUs) to build yourself a vehicle of expression within the dimension of time and space as you understand it, based upon various belief structures as we have explained last week.

PAUL: Does this also have something to do with what Seth and Elias refer to as “blueprints” that would be found in framework 2 or level 2?

KRIS: Indeed, they are necessary for any personality that wishes to experience the spectrum of diversity and vitality that can be found in your physical system. So it is most important. You do not go to the tailor and insist that he or she throw some sheets upon you thinking that you now have a nice suit. You adhere to the design that goes into making the suit, correct?

PAUL: Right, so what you call “Dream Ancestors” and Seth called “Sleep Walkers” and Elias calls “Dream Walkers” were very much involved in the creation of these blueprints, correct?

KRIS: Indeed, through many different versions and revisions of versions until there was a suitable stable platform or even plane that can then engender physicality as you know it and this is not the first experimentation. We have watched at least five different of expressions or cycles of physicality, which comprises your entire physical universe as you understand it. Do you understand?

PAUL: Fairly. Can you be more specific on the five cycles? Are they types of designs of body types or something else?

KRIS: At a certain point in time as you know it there comes a time when you need to redesign the whole experiment. The laboratory needs to be upgraded or even changed entirely or even changed locations. Thus an entire system may, we may not have the absolute most correct expression, but the entire system itself may be scrapped, recycled, [and] recreated in a manner suitable for a new experimentation. Such cycles may last for hundreds of billions of years in your terms.

PAUL: Is this what Seth called the “grid of perception 6″ in Dreams, “Evolution” and Value Fulfillment?

KRIS: Indeed, the experimentations can all be various and different and still have commonality.

PAUL: Seth didn’t offer a time frame of billions of years, but it is interesting that you would offer hundreds of billions of years. When you talk about scrapping we are really talking about….

KRIS: Back to the drawing board. (Laughter)

MARK: Is that very much the “shift of consciousness” now?

KRIS: Indeed not. This is one of the “seasons of consciousness. 7″

MARK: So we are just renovating?

KRIS: You still have a very long run on the validity of your present system, and it is not that the validity expires, but there comes a certain point in time as you know it when you have to go back to the drawing board, re-examine what you have, provide upgrades to the system, or add an entirely new system then recycle the one that you now have. It does not mean that all individual entities within it are somehow or other negated or sent back to the pile, but indeed they also participate in its reincarnation.

PAUL: Rebirth. Is that…? I know that we have this myth about the Big Bang, does this approximate this action, when it climaxes is it really this sort of action?

KRIS: The Big Bang is indeed a distortion, but is an attempt to understand the beginning and the end of a cycle.

PAUL: So how far along are we in this present cycle?

KRIS: You are still very juvenile.

PAUL: When this upgrade, this recasting, rebirthing, reincarnation happens is there… does it affect the entire universal systems of all the galaxies and solar systems simultaneously, or just the planet Earth?

KRIS: The system itself; your planet being one unit within it, not unlike when your own physical body can as beautifully and succinctly continue to express all of the intents that you wish to manifest, thus a new one is created with new circumstances. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Oh yeah, and just a chronological question: is our belief system that our system in framework 1 is expanding, is that accurate? Physically, that physical objects are in relationship to each other, are moving away from each other? That’s a big one, I know.

KRIS: It is only your perception overall there are certain types of contractions, but they are primarily the results of the units of consciousness as described by Seth as blinking in and out. They do not always blink in exactly the same coordinates and the blinking though very fast is not necessarily the same speed as you understand fast. Does this make some sense to you?

PAUL: Yes, and Elias has commented on this as well – that our physicists have this belief systems that they call the Planck length and the Planck speed and somewhere around the infinitesimal calculation that they call ten to the minus forty-four. So a physicist did ask Elias about that speed and Elias said that ten to the minus fifty-six would be more accurate 8. Is that the scale that you are talking about?

KRIS: We would tend to agree, there [are] some minor fluctuations that again create anomalies in the display of time and space objects, but there are many things in your known universe which are truly unknown, even though the astronomers try to extend their eyeballs with gigantic telescopes they can only perceive what their convictions allow them to perceive. Thus they will see specific performances of consciousness projected out against the spectrum of the physical universe, and interpret it according to their convictions.

PAUL: What advice would you offer to the aspiring quantum physicists who are trying to develop their inner sensing, dreaming abilities to try and conceptualize some of these things?

KRIS: We would recommend that you become sensitized to your “gateway system,” what you call chakras. Ask Joseph to email you the information that we delivered to his friend.

MARK: That transcript is about to go online probably tomorrow.

PAUL: Thanks. I will look that up.

KRIS: There is a specific area of a gateway behind the head and a nested three-in-one system of gateways above the head that would be termed chakra 12, 13 and 14 that you could become sensitized to, and actually use to have your or at least a portion of your awareness drawn up and out into your version of the physical universe, and look, travel, explore, experiment, and see what you bring back.

MARK: That is also used in “cranial sacral” work in massage therapy.

KRIS: Now do you have other questions? (Pause) We know that we do tend to often leave you speechless. (Laughter) Please do not consider that a fault.

PAUL: If it is a fault it is not a bad one. (Still laughing) I just have to say that I so greatly appreciate the opportunity to share this time. It always amazes me to be able to talk to this level of self, physically. I am used to doing this in the dream state, I guess, so it is just a remarkable shift and I think that more people should do it – it would be a safer, saner planet.

KRIS: Now do note that more than often our material agrees with or compliments Elias than that which would be different.

PAUL: I agree. I have been working on this thing that I call “the integral impulse,” and there are hundreds of other people who are working on integral studies and consciousness studies, and the idea is to find unity in diversity.

KRIS: Indeed, and now thanks to our coming out of the “cluster closet” (roars of laughter) Laverne and Shirley can run to Elias again for confirmation.

PAUL: Exactly, and we will all discuss it on NWV and see what kind of questions that we come up with.

KRIS: Do have a pleasant evening and we will take a break.

PAUL: Kris, thank you.

Break starts at 8:33 PM.

(Audio file 2. Break then Kris again June 21 2004.wav)

LIDA: That was a long session.

MARK: I know. WOW! (Laughter)

PAUL: I know! WOW! I didn’t really follow the Seth II, III, IV connection but I know you know this better than I do Mark so maybe you want to….

MARK: I’ve never read the Seth material, but my understanding of this and he (Kris) will jump in quickly if I am wrong, Kris is one of the source selves, one of, very important, of the source selves of Seth III and IV.

(Mark’s note: Having transcribed this session I now believe that this statement is not exactly correct. Kris clearly stated that he was only one of several that fragmented the “Seth essence,” not Seth II, III, or IV.)

PAUL: As they fragmented from and that is an Elias term. Seth does talk about fragments and things but those are in terms of focus personalities and such. The Elias usage is in terms of essence or inner self.

MARK: There is more to it because he has also… well, of course, there are many, but there is Joseph and I, and the fact that he comes from a different cluster than Taaj.

PAUL: So that was really interesting.

SERGE: Now you understand why we were up at five this morning.

(Mark’s note: Serge was receiving a build up of energies from Kris on this topic, which actually caused him to have trouble sleeping.)

MARK: Now I totally understand!

PAUL: Serge, you may remember some of this as I speak about it. He said, and I love this, he used the word “aligning with” purposely so he was playing with our minds. (Laughter) You see these guys do this, and Elias does this in his session with Laverne, they have this expansive use of and they are very literal in a sense because they know that is all that we can digest, or a little bit more than we can digest. Then they post something on NWV, and it distorts the stuff, and we all start asking questions. Then Kris pulls his trick where he has been planting seeds, some are subtle and some are less subtle. All the great teachers do this, and it just dawns on you after months and years after you make these connections.

SERGE: So he connected the dots?

MARK: In many ways! … Maybe not all of the dots, but some of the dots anyway!

PAUL: He introduced a new cluster Serge.

PAUL: Number ten.

MARK: Gaura.

SERGE: The what?

MARK, LIDA and PAUL: Gaura.

MARK: Which is where he is from.

PAUL: Home sweet home. He said that he had more, he said that there were 1,700 families there, and that during tourist season there were more.

MARK: Very much a tourist town.

SERGE: A tourist town that increases. Is there fishing?

PAUL: He said that there is a lot of teaching that goes on, but you know guys we are talking about the creation of the universe.

SERGE: That is interesting because I can’t remember if it is in Sanskrit or Bengali the word “Gaura” means golden, golden one.

MARK: The other thing that he talked about is how he is presented through, there is Seth III and IV but also Netjer and there was something else.

PAUL: Was that the white Tara?

MARK: Oh, the Taraa not to be confused with Tara, the Goddess. So, they were all also parts of him.

PAUL: Yes, this incestuous webwork of consciousness.

MARK: Yes, but he only “aligns with” essences in the Taraa. (Oops, I meant Taaj.)

SERGE: It is kind of bizarre that an essence would align with other essences.

PAUL: My take on that is that his “aligning with” is relative to his “belonging to” so he is kind of pulling a switch here. He is saying that he used “aligning with” purposely, he didn’t say this, I am deducing this that same as “belonging to,” but what he is saying is that there is another level and those clans and clusters are a wider layer or structure within the psyche itself – the Self, the Atman, the Brahman.

MARK: Actually what he said point blank is that when he said “aligning with” that that insinuates that he does not “belong to” because he exists “outside of.”

PAUL: I don’t get that Mark.

MARK: I do because he not from the Taaj. The nine families of consciousness are within the Taaj and he is not of the Taaj. He is from the other cluster called Gaura, but when he visits or is a tourist here, so to speak, he is “aligning with,” its like he is traveling with these families.

PAUL: But then, by implication, Kris has had physical focuses on this planet.

SERGE: He has described them before. He is not new to this.

PAUL: Has he?

MARK: He has become one of the source selves of many individuals and many individual source selves that are “aligning with”…. He can’t “belong to” a family because he not from the Taaj.

PAUL: Yes he is.

MARK: He comes to visit and participates.

PAUL: “Belonging to” in Elias’ terms is what he “aligns with” as Sumafi/Sumari and Milumet.

MARK: There is a difference.

PAUL: It’s a psychological difference. It is a nested structure of the psyche. He has a subconscious and an inner ego in mirror form in relationship to us. It is almost like any consciousness that is of essence that has personality tone, individuality within the total has this kind of trinity of an outer self, a “subconscious mediating layer” and a source self. That’s how I am seeing it.

MARK: Okay, well let’s go back to the analogy of the skin diver. If you are from here and you want to go under water you put on the wet suit. The wet suit would be “aligning with.” You have to put on that suit in order to participate and actually swim under the water. (Fish would be “belonging to.”)

PAUL: Mark, this is sort of the first expansion beyond the nine families if you think about it. If we go up a level systemically to all the conscious creation, channeled sources that we know, and there are only three that I am studying, and you have Abraham which could probably deliver that information if those people and their clientele were interested in it, but they are not the explorers that we are.

Anyway, this is an expansion of the ontological Nest of Being or All-That-Is. And some version is in all the perennial wisdom traditions. Seth… if you ever get a chance to read The Early Sessions and someday you might, especially with a Kris background, it will just reveal more stuff to you because there is a lot of little seeds planted.

Elias, Seth and Kris, they are all planting seeds, so I am having an aesthetic moment here. And it really is quite beautiful to me, and validating to me that we are connecting the dots, and that’s all that we can do. As opposed to those unity moments where you are the dots and there are no longer dots. That’s the Ultimate.

MARK: It’s like a very good teacher. You can’t go from the beginning of the school year to the end of the school year by teaching the last lesson in the book. You have to go through the different chapters in the textbook, and you have to connect the dots in between them. A good chapter will prelude to the next chapter or to the end of the book.

PAUL: Serge, I did ask Kris if he cared to deliver any more of these clans right now, and he didn’t. Me, I took that as personal bait to return. (Laughter) So we are planning on doing some of these Monday nights sessions from Castaic this summer with you guys. I think he is saving some of that for the folks that are going to come here and maybe, who knows we may get some interaction.

MARK: He is also being very kind, knowing the efforts that I am going to have to put into this particular transcript. (Laughter)

PAUL: Mark, just take your time with this stuff. It’s not a race. If it takes two weeks or a month, work at a healthy, sane pace because it is “the journey and not the destination.” So enjoy the work while you are doing it rather than getting all stressed out. And I am talking to myself because as you know I work my tail off, and am producing a lot of stuff, too. But I find that when I get in that groove and just take it easy and have some fun….

MARK: Don’t worry. Oh, he’s back!

(Kris re-enters at 8:43 PM.)

KRIS: Now we are happy to see that you are holding a beautiful moment experience. Do understand that this material and any information about clusters, or any information about families of consciousness should never be used to set up opposing camps or debating sections. Otherwise, the intent of such material gets distorted by ego constructions and leads to divisiveness, which should immediately alert the individual that they have missed the point entirely. Such information, such “roadmaps” to consciousness, are meant to provide the unifying factors that make your species, and the source of that species grow, evolve in value fulfillment, and fulfill those values that are deeply nested within the core of your being.

Any attempt to use such information to prove one against the other in any form is pure and simple fundamentalism, and comes from no other place than distorted ego infatuations with fanaticism, and it proves hidden agendas of a destructive nature. Thus the material is meant as a map, and not the road or the destination. Does that make some sense?

PAUL: I am really glad that you made that disclaimer because Elias also addressed something similar in the January session #1496 of this year.

KRIS: And indeed, isn’t it interesting that that part of the session is often neglected.

PAUL: Thank you for pointing that out, so that anyone who reads this transcript will be able to avail themselves of it, and see that it is coming from more than one source. And just another thing Kris, we have talked about pre-conventional, conventional and post-conventional stages of human development. And it would seem conventional and pre-conventional even – the use of the map of the clans and clusters and so on, as a divisive, as a tribal, as a clique thing.

This is characteristic of conventional and pre-conventional belief systems in general, and it is only when we get into post-conventional belief systems that we are starting to believe in “holism,” and holonic connections – integral connections – within the Whole. And we see the diversity and so on.

And so I think Elias, if we can give him credit, too, is offering a lot of interesting information in that area of pointing out preference and opinion as being very different from being judgmental, and black and white, and good and evil, and Sumafi “good” and Sumari “bad” sort of distinctions.

KRIS: Exactly. Even Elias has pointed out that in some respects the Sumari are extremely important to the nature of the Sumafi, for without Sumari what is Sumafi?

PAUL: Exactly. A rambunctious Sumari creativity that explodes creative action into the collective, and the collective ripples and shudders and shakes. Sumafi do what they do, and the other seven do what they do.

KRIS: Indeed, there are always the party boys and the ones that come behind to clean. (Room explodes with laughter.)

MARK: Do you care to comment on your relationship with Elias?

KRIS: (Pause) You may repeat your question.

MARK: Do you care to comment on your relationship with Elias?

KRIS: Are you addressing ourselves or Janaki?

MARK: Kris.

KRIS: Is Janaki still there?

PAUL: Oh, I am still here.

KRIS: (Exhales and pauses) If you will forgive us we will decline at this time.

MARK: Okay. That is acceptable.

PAUL: We will ask that question again in a couple of weeks.

MARK: What I was trying to allude to was, do you find yourselves (Elias and Kris) amicable, bonding, loving of each other?

KRIS: The question may imply that there is a sub-text of the opposite and there is no such thing.

MARK: Thank you. You just answered my question.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:50 PM.

KRIS: Then we will take leave of your lovely selves, near and far, and we do trust that you will enjoy the rest of your discussion and week.

MARK: Thank you.

PAUL: Thank you Kris.

Kris leaves at 8:50 PM. (Or does he?)

(Audio file 3. Our chat afterward June 21 2004.wav)

MARK: That is exactly what I was hoping for him to say. I really didn’t think that he would go into any great detail but I did want for him to publicly confirm, especially in a transcript that those types of non-loving environments do not exist in the essence form.

PAUL: Right.

MARK: It is a very loving place where you don’t have these divisions and conflicts like those that we manufacture down here.

PAUL: I am sure that part (i.e. the high subtle realm) of the Great Nest has its own magnificent maladies too, being individual and being part of “the many.” So I will wait until I can remember, (laughing), if that ever happens.

Serge, one other thing: Kris mentioned about these hundreds of billions of years cycles, and connected the dots to the Seth “grid of perception” of Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, and that led into very broad cosmological stuff, but it’s all on the same page as far as I am concerned.

SERGE: You mean the kind of stuff that would blow an astronomers mind? (Laughter)

PAUL: Oh yeah, exactly. And we want to make those guys, or open the door and pave the way for the “quantum astronomers.”

I did ask him a question as to what he would suggest for a quantum physicist to do and he said, he made reference to the gateway system and the chakras and Mark said that that was coming out. That is more energy work for people using transformational practices.

MARK: I will probably email you that tonight even though there is some mild formatting that I have to do since Dorothy transcribed it herself, but I will email you the rough version tonight. You will get a kick out of it.

SERGE: I have an interesting physical type of effect that I am looking at my arms, and I know what my eyes see, but my mind sees something else. It is as if they are very, very long, almost like Captain Janeway in that episode of Star Trek: Voyager. It appears as if my arms are very, very, very long.

PAUL: You are still having some disassociated effects.

SERGE: Yeah.

PAUL: That is cool. Enjoy it.

SERGE: It is almost like part of my forearms are also fat, almost like Popeye.

MARK: There is also something about this whole Laverne and Shirley thing that I wanted to comment on. I knew throughout this whole thing that there was no conflict. Not only from what she was talking about, but recently Kris said in a session something to the effect of “And still there is no conflict.” He was talking about things that to us were opposite and extreme, but then he would say that still there is no conflict.

I knew this, but unfortunately didn’t have the information or ability at the time to put that into words. So, of course, I had to wait for a session, but I knew through this whole thing that one could say that for instance that Elias is Beethoven, and the other could say that Elias is not Beethoven, or one could say that Kris was Sumafi and the other say that Kris was not Sumafi and there would still be no conflict.

PAUL: Exactly, and there are examples in the Elias transcripts of that kind of Zen, ranging from true but partial, to these very specific answers at times. I’m not a trauma-drama queen, as you both know, but I realize that there can be a healthy cognitive dissonance that results from conflict. And that is where we create an opportunity to grow, and push through into new areas.

We’d have to invent a Laverne if she didn’t exist. We’d really have to make up a straw-man adversary to come in and get our selves focused in this way, and ask these questions. I just see how naturally this all flows out. I mean, here I am talking to Kris again in real time as a result of this situation.

It’s hard for me to explain, but it’s a perfectly natural flow – all natural and good – working out the way it should be, and dealing with conflicts, even with adults with conventional belief systems and religious beliefs systems.

SERGE: Yes, this also has areas of danger in a way when people set someone – a god, a deity, anyone -on a pedestal. The one, anyone, on that pedestal better not ever disagree with you because they’ll topple you. There is an inborn structured mode there that says, “I’ll see you as a ‘being’ on a pedestal, but you better be careful, because I’ll knock you off it in two minutes.” It’s a vicious circle and not healthy at all.

PAUL: It’s good to point that out. … Let’s be constructive, compassionate, and provide good foundation of facts, and rational stuff.

SERGE: In our Thursday evening channeling group, Kris has identified three different layers of channeling: proprietary, non-proprietary and post-proprietary. He used post-proprietary as coming from you.

PAUL: Great. See you guys on July 5 for our group session.

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Endnotes:

1 – Netjer is an aspect of a “pyramid energy gestalt” that holds a wider focus of attention than Kris, similar to the way that Seth II was a wider focus than Seth, and Seth III is wider that Seth II. According to Serge Grandbois:

“Early last fall, when we opened up to another source Kris introduced us to, the Netjer, the experience was different again. This communication was like a return to the sleeping or laying down trance I used to do so many years ago. Kris instructed Mark on a particular induction sequence, and the ‘taking off’ platform was similar to falling into a deep sleep, but immediately mixed with a combination projection of consciousness AND lucid dream, but with subtle differences.

“I am not interacting with any specific dream-like elements as in a regular lucid dream, but more of a projection INTO the deeper type of dream-like environment… which for all intents and purposes is something of a cross between Framework 3 and 4, or Regional Area 3 and 4, or to use Kris’ terms, Layer 3 and 4. Would that make it Layer 3.5, 3.25, or 3.75?

“When I spoke for Netjer, which is not a singular individuality in our regular sense of the word, my voice didn’t change as dramatically as when I speak for Kris, but keep in mind we only did it three or four times. The voice seemed more of my regular voice, but still with an inflection that seemed somewhat tinny and with a bit of a reverberation, as if coming from very far away. Sometimes when Netjer spoke, the words would flow rapidly and sometimes the next answer was delivered rather slowly. I guess those long distance connections are not all ironed out.” http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/FAQ.html
For more information, see:

http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/netjer1-nov25-02.html

http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/netjer2-nov25-02.html

http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/netjer3-nov28-02.html

http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/netjer4-nov28-02.html

2 – Taraa is an aspect of a pyramid energy gestalt that holds a wider focus than Kris. According to Kris:

“… We have suggested as far back as 2001 that another flow of essences has entered your system, in other words, your TAAJ, from other clusters. We refer to it as the TARAA. We are familiar with it because we have some interactions with that grouping of essences, which are extremely removed from any concerns with physical idea construction realities.

“Netjer is, in its own way, a splinter of the TARAA So these are… you could say… alternate routes through and between various systems or clusters of families.

“… These are primarily concerned with other types of energy manipulation though there is sufficient awarenesses on their part to extend a portion of their own awareness into your systems if such is directed to them. So we are involved in some of those processes.

“These other groupings of essences may eventually determine for their own as possibilities in the term of future as you understand it, to become clusters themselves and to generate all the necessary paraphernalia to engender their own families of consciousness because the potentials reside within them.” http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/perceptions-sourceselves.html

In larger terms, Kris/Serge is using concepts like Netjer, Taraa, and clans/clusters to introduce wider relationships within energy personality essence. In particular, this is similar to what Seth introduced as “pyramid energy gestalts” and “lifeclouds,” and what Elias calls “pools of conscousness.”

For more information, see Digests of Essential Elias:

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/pools.html

3 – I wrote an essay in 2004 called Who is the “You” in You Create Your Own Reality? It explored the basic “levels of selfhood” in The Early Sessions of the Seth material, where Seth did his best to outline a simple roadmap of the psyche that included:

All-That-Is
Pyramid energy gestalts
Inner ego
Subconscious
Outer ego

It’s interesting that Kris is currently expanding the pyramid energy gestalt range of this spectrum of consciousness, and tying in Seth’s families of consciousness and Elias’ essence families.

For more information see:

http://www.newworldview.com/library/Helfrich_P_Who_is_the_You_in_YCYOR_1.html

4 – This is a concept similar to Elias’s essence mergence and fragmentation, though clearly on a different ontological “level” within All-That-Is.

For more information, see Digests of Essential Elias:

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/fragmentation.html

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/mergence.html

5 – Actually I was more familiar with Elias’ description of Seth, Jane, and Rob being fragmented from the same source self, that he calls Lazour, who is also involved in facilitating the energy exchange between Elias and Mary.

CATHY: “… Is Lazour a fragment of Rose?”

ELIAS: “Yes.”

CATHY: “Are Seth and Ruburt [Jane] and Joseph [Rob] fragments of Lazour?”

ELIAS: “Yes.” [session 246, November 30, 1997]

Also, there is a reference to Seth and Jane’s “fragmenting” from the same source self in Seth Speaks (1994):

(During break a student, Janice S., wanted to know if Seth was a part of Jane’s personality.)

“Now: Ruburt [Jane] cannot answer you as easily as I can. We were originally a portion of the same entity. I evolved along my own ways and he evolved along his. Therefore we are both independent.

(Janice S.: “In other words, all parts of the entity are evolving? Are they developing as one?”)

“I evolved to form my own entity. Ruburt [Jane] will also, but he is not at that stage yet, in your terms. In another frame of reference he is, of course. He also contains those portions of himself that are less developed, for they all exist as one. All the parts of himself are aware of this correspondence. In your terms only, I could be referred to – and I have told Ruburt [Jane] this – as a sixth self of his in his future; but this is only to get the idea across, for he will not become what I am. That is impossible. I am myself.

“There are certain answers that cannot be given verbally, but must be intuitively understood. Yet the fact that I exist and can communicate should show you, in simple terms, that other ‘higher aspects’ of your personality can help you out on occasion.” p. 410.

As far as families of consciousness go, Seth mentioned in The “Unknown” Reality, Vol. 2 (1996) that he held Sumari intent. According to Rob Butts:

“We may not be able to pin Seth – as that energy personality essence calls himself – down to one physical race, but he is a Sumari: ‘And a very high lieutenant indeed, I will have you know,’ he told us with much humor in his first session on the Sumari family of consciousness, the 598th for November 24, 1971.” p. 566.

I mention all of these connections to show how these kinds of subjective lineage claims can never be fully substantiated by Kris’ or Elias’ or my “say-so” in linear, physical terms. While we can certainly trust their good intentions, we still have to experience these aspects of essence directly to prove their validity. So I take this material with a healthy grain of salt.

6 – Seth introduced a “grid of perception” metaphor in Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, Vol. 1 (1997) to help explain the origins of our planet and life on it.

“The world as you know it exists as it does because you are yourself a living portion of a vast ‘conscious grid’ of perception.

Every cell, in those terms, is a sender and a receiver. All of the larger divisions of life – the mammals, fish, birds, and so forth – are an integral part of that living gridwork. The picture of the world is not only the result of those messages transmitted and received, however, but is also caused by the relationships between those messages. In your terms, then, all of life’s large classifications were present ‘at the beginning of the world.’ Otherwise there would have been vast holes in that grid of perception that makes possible the very sensations of physical life.

“In a manner of speaking, the physical universe is ‘transposed’ upon another reality that must be its source. The world was and is created in dimensions outside of time, and outside of space as you understand it (intently).

“Other realities quite as legitimate as your own, quite as vital, quite as ‘real,’ coexist with your own, and in the terms of your understanding, ‘in the same space’ – but of course in terms of your experience those spaces and realities would appear to be quite separate. No systems are closed, however, so that basically the living grid of perception that causes one world or reality is also ‘wired into’ all other such systems. There is a give-and-take between them.

“The grids of perception that compose your world give you the world picture as you experience it because your physical senses put you in a certain position within the entire grid. Animals, for example, while part of your experience, are also ‘tuned into’ that grid at another level. The large classifications of mammals, fish, birds, men, reptiles, plants, and so forth, are [each] an integral part of that larger perceptive pattern – and that pattern in those terms had to be complete even in the beginning of your time.

“In various periods that ‘gridwork’ might ‘carry more traffic’ along certain circuits than at other periods, so that there has been some creative leeway allowed, particularly on the parts of the species that make up your larger classifications. There were always birds, for example, but in the great interplay of ‘interior’ and exterior communication among all portions of this vast living system, there was a creative interplay that allowed for endless variations within that classification, and each other one.” Session 903, February 25, 1980, p.248-249.

7 – These billion year cycles or “seasons of consciousness” that Kris refers to involve what we’d consider a more drastic, Big Bang-type of ending/beginning. I believe they are similar to the Hindu Yugas. Whereas the “shift of consciousness” involves another kind of cycling within existing life forms, in which profound changes in body, mind, and spirit occur that don’t require the universe to “begin again.”

8 – The Planck length (or theoretical smallest unit of matter or quanta) is an infinitesimally small ‘‘unit” calculated to be 1.6 x 10 minus33 centimeters, the time or rate of its ‘”blinking” is 5.3 x 10 minus44 seconds, and its mass is 2.2 x 10 minus5 grams. All this means is that, according to the belief systems of contemporary quantum physics, these are the presently understood theoretical physical limits for our dimension.

Seth, Elias, and Kris describe our physical dimension, as one of many existing within the context of a vast multiverse. They describe that process in terms of infinitesimal black and white holes that “blink” or oscillate at an incredibly fast speed.

In the following, Elias states that the Planck rate is more in the range of ten to the minus 56 – that’s a decimal point with 55 zeroes and a number after it – blinking once every .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000053 seconds!

NORM: “… In Planck’s time, ten to the minus forty-four seconds, is that a blink? Is that a blink time for going from one manifestation to the next?”

ELIAS: (Accessing) “It is slightly off.”

NORM: “By one hundred and thirty-three thousandths?”

ELIAS: “… As to your questioning, the equation is slightly off.”

NORM: “It has to include more terms or something.”

ELIAS: “Your number element is different. It is not quite accurate within the calculations that you have physically developed.”

RETA: “You wouldn’t want to tell us what that number is, would you?”

ELIAS: (Chuckling) “This would also be a negative fraction.”

NORM: “A negative fraction. (Norm’s talking to himself now) Negative fraction … or natural fraction.”

ELIAS: “Exchange your number of forty-four for fifty-six.” [session 179, June 01, 1997]

Seth, Elias, and Kris have all commented on the nature of this blinking in and out process. For more information, see Digests of Essential Elias:

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/blinking.html

See Elias session 1496, January 17, 2004 for Elias’ comments on the nature of distortion within energy exchanges and within people who interpret the material:

http://www.eliasforum.org/transcripts/E1496_011704.html

Private Session for Emmy from Netherlands #2

June 21, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Emmy
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on 21th of June 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Private Session with Emmy from the Netherlands on the 21th of June 2004

KRIS: Now welcome to this warm climate, we hope that you are comfortable.

EMMY: I am, it’s also warm here.

KRIS: Now we gather that you have understood many things from the last conversation.

EMMY: Yes

KRIS: And that you have a greater idea of resonating with the sound of your essence name Atin-Khum.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And that in itself has brought about some interesting dreams and other adventures.

EMMY: Indeed it’s funny that you mention it before I was going to talk about it.

KRIS: We hope that you will not sue us.

EMMY: No of course not haha I’ll not do that.

KRIS: You have the pleasure of asking your questions.

EMMY: I will. I have written down some questions also about those experiences because last night I guess it was or the day before. I’m not totally sure at the moment, I was thinking a bit about my essence name or I don’t know how and suddenly I was in a kind of different state, I don’t know, I was talking while I thought I was asleep but I wasn’t sure if I was, but maybe you can say something about that? About what that was exactly. I also had to laugh or maybe my inner self had to laugh.

KRIS: Now we believe that we have given you some indication that last time, that you have a natural disposition for these sort of exchanges, do you recall? Do you remember that?

EMMY: Yes I do remember that, I recall that indeed.

KRIS: So thus we are not surprised if you may have occasional experiences where your exchanged communications are made manifest, so that you can have a sense of where this may lead.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: And for the time being the experiences themselves maybe momentarily short, simply because you are feeling that the process of healing your own personality, thus the context are in themselves therapeutic, and you may use these types of moods or states to direct your attention to issues in your life that may need your attention. And this may even include at some point an exploration of some of your other focuses, where you might feel drawn to bring about a sense of a valence or simply a sense of witnessing your other focuses experiences, which would naturally enrich your own private personal reality.

EMMY: Yes

KRIS: No such context is ever isolated. There is always some kind of exchanges in information, in energy, in communication at all times. And it is unavoidable there are always certain degrees of influences that you may choose to act upon or not. But knowing where your attention is drawn to is helpful indeed, for it will enable you to perceive the greater reality that is your being. Does this make some sense to you?

EMMY: It does make a lot of sense, do you refer to also what I had last night? I first had a very emotional dream where I woke up from and it also had to do with actually this session also I guess. I wasn’t sure totally what I dreamt about but I was pretty upset first, but then I realized that it had to do something with my WW2 focus.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And I again heard my Atin-Khum name also at a sudden point. But I also realized a lot of things and I got some insight from it also that about what I felt at that moment or and that I prayed for my other family members also is that correct? My impression?

KRIS: Your impressions are fare but do understand that there will come a time when this particular focus, the ww2 focus will become less and less prevalent and important to you.

EMMY: Indeed

KRIS: Your own life heals and that particular lifetime itself will change, it may not be noticeable immediately but gradually, even though the major events of that focus lifetime themselves may not necessarily be different, the manner in which that focus experiences those events and deals with them will be gradually more and more different to the point where that focus itself will fragment and create an entirely different probability, an entirely different past and a different present all within simultaneous moments for the self.

EMMY: Yeah I already had a sense that that would happen or that it will happen or that it is already happening.

KRIS: Many people will believe that another focus is fated to experience the same events over and over so that is not necessarily the case.

EMMY: Hmhm

KRIS: As you mature, as you literally change, so do these other focuses adventures.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: And that changing is also part of your experience, again you are not isolated, you are all connected, you all exist within the moment of the essence.

EMMY: Hmhm

KRIS: So actions that occur within that field, within the inner field ….. will carry beneficial ripples to your existence as well and it will be as if you are somehow or the other, remembering the future.

EMMY: Yes, in how it changes?

KRIS: And how you are envisioning a new past, all within the now.

EMMY: Yes, so it is all at the same time?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Because there is no time?

KRIS: Now you observe time in a linear fashion and that suits the personality structures on your plane of existence.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: There are other planes where you exist as well, where you do not concern yourselves so much with linear time, you can actually play with simultaneous time. Thus simul-time is a greater framework that belongs to you, levels 2, 3 and 4.

EMMY: Ok

KRIS: And even in those levels of frameworks the personality, the essence is able to play with concepts of time structures much in the same way that a little child plays with alternate blocks making up words but not by their character, because the little child does not know the ABC’s.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: But the little child sees the colours on the blocks, thus will rely more on creating pretty colour structures with the same blocks so at those other levels the arrangements are different, they still influence what you experience in the manner that suits your end and draw to you

EMMY: Ok indeed, can I ask some questions?

KRIS: Please continue.

EMMY: I’ve written some down, I’ve had a lot of dreams lately and remember them most of the time and first I want to ask you a question about a dream that I had quite some time ago, about my WW2 focus also, where I was very tall and didn’t fit in hiding places and so on in that dream and in other dreams. I was always tall, is that symbolic or was I really that tall?

KRIS: We believe this is symbolic and if you notice the dream it had a different quality than the ones were you actually felt very strongly that this was you as well.

EMMY: Indeed because I had this other dream where I was first I was in a bus and a girl signed me “who are you?” in sign language and then I went inside a house where I was hiding in. Upstairs, somewhere and there was paper on the window so that people could not see me and the others and there was this woman with a glass eye, she was very friendly to me and I think we had a strong (bond) even though we didn’t know each other very well back then because we just met, there was this strong bound we had together. Do you refer to that dream?

KRIS: Indeed if you notice the symbols in the dream as well as being tall and being thus unable to hide anywhere may very well represent the fact that the path of healing that you are on requires that you be present to yourself, not deny your experiences, not hide them or yourself.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: At the same time the kindred woman with the glass eye represents something special and unique for you. Now though her appearance may be different from other dreams you have seen other aspects of this individual in your other dreams. Here, having a glass eye is significant.

EMMY: Ok.

KRIS: You have certainly heard that the eyes are the door to the soul or the windows to the soul and her eye is glass.

EMMY: Indeed one of them.

KRIS: Another thing that indicates being able to see through, for that is a quality of glass.

EMMY: Ok! Yes, now I understand it all of a sudden, indeed!

KRIS: Part of the symbolism is that you are able to see deeper in to your whole self and at the same time you can not hide from yourself or who you are.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: And at the same time you have individuals who are willing to help, such as what you would commonly refer to as your guide. In appearing, that representation of your own essence, but in a manner that would not necessarily shock you or throw you off guard. So the glass eye symbolises two things. The other item that it very well may symbolise is, if you look closely enough through the glass eye, you will see into the other side, the essence that is there to help you.

EMMY: Ok.

KRIS: Do you understand?

EMMY: Can you repeat that last part?

KRIS: By looking through the glass eye you will see the one that is on the other side, the one that is looking at you through the glass eye, your essence.

EMMY: Ok so that is also me then?

KRIS: Indeed but one with a much wider perspective at this time from you right now. As a focus you have no separations per se from your essence but at the same time there is a certain differentiation.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: But through this dream you have been given the opportunity to look through the eye and see your essence.

EMMY: Ok.

KRIS: The woman with whom you had a deep bound is a projection of your essence in a manner you can deal with it.

EMMY: Yes now I understand it.

KRIS: Does that make some sense to you?

EMMY: Yes it does make a lot of sense, and then I have another question about the dream that I had well, today or yesterday I’m not sure about the days at this moment, but I’m trying to think.

I had this dream, this conscious dream where I was with a man with a rather big nose and I saw that man before but then I saw it in a, he was a doll, a hand puppet, but it was him also. I don’t know if you understand what I’m saying? But I was having this conscious dream and I was visiting this man , he was talking to me and he put a glass thing around my head and he kept talking to me and I was exploring, well the lucid dream state and then I said: hey I know you, I said, I drew you before, I made a little drawing of the doll that I saw in another dream while I was again running from people who were trying to catch a family of mine, and I was in that dream in a big field and I was sitting there and I was safe there and there was this doll, there and a child also. Is this a bit clear? I’m having a bit trouble with talking English at the moment.

KRIS: It is fine, now there are again many significances also pertaining to your previous dream about a glass item. What did it look like?

EMMY: It was round in my memory now, and it looked a bit like diving equipment thing that you put on your head to get oxygen and it was funny because when he talked to me I could hear it just the way it would sound like I guess, when somebody talks to you when you are wearing a helmet like thing and what I also was thinking about. In many lucid dreams of mine I’m having trouble seeing, my eyes tend to act a bit weirdly and it was also in this dream and then the man, the friendly man as I will call him said to me: “well you don’t have to worry about that”, the eye thing that I had.

KRIS: Indeed because both in the dream state and in lucid states relying solely upon the senses in the same way you do when you are completely focussed in your body, actually sense out or cut out some of the dream contend because some of its contend needs to be viewed by the other senses and not the physical senses, including the eyes.

EMMY: Yes

KRIS: So if you were for instance to close your eyes and allow yourself to still see, you might have a completely different experience in the same way that in a dream you can be in one room but somehow or the other you can see inside another room without you being in that room. Do you follow?

EMMY: Yes I follow it very well since I guess at times I experienced a bit of these things but I just couldn’t hold my attention or my concentration with the other senses, I guess I have to practice those senses more in the dream state, that’s what I thought when I woke up

KRIS: An excellent exercise is to suggest to yourself before you go to sleep that once you enter the dream state or a lucid state you will be able to use or make use of the senses that are meant to function naturally in that environment as opposed to you transforming the natural state of this lucid or dream environment in to terms that you understand. So that you will be able to make the slightest effort necessary to transform your senses to accommodate the new environment you are in.

EMMY: I understand. I will try that or I’ll do that suggestion, because I often write down suggestions

KRIS: Indeed, then instead of having your eyes open to see you might wish to close them, you might wish to use your hands to hear or other body parts to do other things. You might even be able to sense the energetic thoughts specifically colours, colour combinations and the objects that are coloured in a dream for instance. That might trigger different significances to you.

EMMY: Ok I’ll do that. I’m very excited about the dreams that I had lately because I also think I had the healing chamber dream where we talked about

KRIS: Indeed

EMMY: Or preparation for it I’m not sure but that was the dream with all the musicians in this big shopping mall with this chamber really, this well from glass also haha that’s funny the glass thing again I guess, and when you were inside there was this beautiful music and a very nice woman who played a cello also and I had to think of the moment when I bought my own viola with the funny man in the shop back then and I thought this is his, he works here also but he died also so that is possible that that has to do something with it also and the nice thing as even though the sound was inside that room. People outside the room didn’t get bothered with it or something, but still it was a glass room so everybody could see what happened there and well it had two sides or something there w as this white wall but also a glass wall at the same time. Do you understand?

KRIS: Indeed

EMMY: And I really thought this is the healing chamber dream when I woke up, was it the healing chamber dream?

KRIS: You have started the process long before the dreams made themselves known to you or you noticed them. Do understand that dreaming is an action you do not do only when you sleep, but that it goes on continuously. You literally walk into or appear into dreams that are already well underway because the self exist in that environment just as easily as it exist in your physical environment. But the activities and the actions of the self or essence in the dream state often help generate the actions that then develop within the waking state, but there is always the element of choice

EMMY: I understand that, I mean I can sense it in a way.

KRIS: And if then these other states where dreams are always in action, always evolving, you participate in activities that might seem somewhat removed from the everyday understanding of life.

But when you get your physical form ready for sleep, when you disengage your concentration upon maintaining that idea of yourself (and listen and study the words carefully): when you withdraw your attention from maintaining the energy for your physical form, to a certain degree, your physical form does disappear from the physical environment that you also maintain for that form. Now others who may see you sleep may not notice that, because they are maintaining their form as well as the image of yours. Do you understand the difference?

EMMY: Yes I can understand that.

KRIS: So you then slightly disengage, not in the same manner as in death, but to a small degree similarly, you pull your attention away and to your ego it is as if no such thing ever happened. But the inner self is aware and does not disturb the ego overly or very much with the adventure.

EMMY: Indeed, yes because I had this dream, this other dream I had, I walked down stairs and I thought: “shall I look to my body that is still”? I knew my body, my physical body was still in bed sleeping, but I also know that I have a body while walking there because I felt myself going out of my body even though I was still in that dream body, I was not totally out of my body or something, but I remember that I thought, shall I look at my body? But I didn’t have the guts so to say or to do so, but I planned on doing that, but I didn’t do it in the end

KRIS: Well if you had, you would not necessarily notice anything different but if you wanted to understand that your attention is pulled away from the image, then the bare minimum of energy is directed to it to maintain its coalescence. Do you understand that word?

EMMY: Can you say that word again?

KRIS: Coalescence or appearance.

EMMY: Yes I think that you mean that it still functions in a way it normally does also but then in a sleep mode, so that not so much energy as I have in my waking life for instance.

KRIS: Indeed a certain energy still maintains its form, its appearance in that reality but you have drawn yourself into another, the dream reality.

EMMY: And is it so that when you leave the physical, when you die in this focus, that you, it’s just a small difference I guess or not?

KRIS: Indeed until the personality learns that they have literally died as such, it can be traumatic for some and others may be nothing more then when you take the shirt of your bed and put it in the laundry basket to put on a new one. That depends upon various religious education, the experiences and whether there was a heavy emphases solely upon the physical constructions as the only reality, whereas the individual had a physical life.

EMMY: Hmhm, ok and sometimes when somebody dies it can take a longer time in my terms to really realize that you are dead I guess or that you are not only dreaming.

KRIS: Indeed, the more one is convinced in life that life itself is either meaningless, an error or an anomaly, that one must suffer and that there is great suffering within life and one develops bitterness, the more difficult it is to accept. Because even though such individuals may think that life itself is such a bad experience that they rather get over it and die, they actually cling to life more so then many those who have no such views and are ready to make the transition more fully. Thus that environment is again a deeper more extended awareness state of the dream dimension as well as the environment that is all pervasive, that is the inner field of events.

EMMY: Yes it is all connected I guess.

KRIS: Indeed, completely. There is not an aspect of consciousness somewhere that is not a vital part of all of it. Thus you are in an excellent position to explore consciousness. You are young you have good observation talents, though once in a while you would prefer to go play in the sandbox.

EMMY: Yes hahaha.

KRIS: And you also have an inquisitive mind and you are able to play with the concepts and not take yourself overly serious and enjoy what you are experiencing.

EMMY: Indeed, I experience a lot of joy, also in life I guess. I don’t know, I just also in the dream state at times like I had one dream a week ago where I went a bit to far. I was a bit straining myself I guess, but I was just too curious of what was behind a wall in my lucid dream.

I’m not sure if you where there or if it was somebody else, but somebody was explaining me things about a focus and about choking in something and I just lost my attention haha, and I thought what would be behind that all and I just ran through the wall first, but first it didn’t work and then I went through the other wall and it was all a bit weird because I was in this kind of liquid world or something and then I woke up and realized that I just went a bit to far. I wasn’t ready yet to go there but I learned much from trying my own borders or something.

KRIS: Indeed if you were not to play with the ideas and see how they work for you, you will still find a way to invent the process because it is a vital expression of the way in which you learn experiences. Does that make sense?

EMMY: Do you mean that me as a person wants to well try things?

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Because was that you in the dream? Because I was talking about questions I wanted to ask in the session. I was thinking I’m asking them already now or was that somebody else?

KRIS: Now we have, you could say, images, projections that are non-physical though they may appear to have a certain set of characteristics, but often [are] used to visit acquaintances and observe how they are playing with the concepts they have come to ask us for. Thus what you did in a manner of speaking, was prepare the background for this session and lay the foundation for some of the material that is discussed now, which you had experienced more in depth in the dream state, though you might not necessarily recall the specifics but more retain a certain portion of the actions that occurred within you.

EMMY: Yes indeed because I sensed that there was a lot of humour or we had or I had fun also when I woke up, I was in a cheery mood so to say.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And I learned a lot from it I guess and I don’t recall everything that was said then just small bits and pieces about choking or something do you know what that was about?

KRIS: The best way to approach to understanding some of these concepts is one where there is humour involved. If someone takes themselves to seriously and wishes to study even the miniature the most minuscule detail they‘ll actually miss the effect of all of these things because the important aspects are that you learn to enjoy yourself and learn now you presently create your world, not what we say about it.

EMMY: No, indeed we have to play.

KRIS: What we say is actually the surface of the concepts themselves, you however with others, play with the concepts giving them additional significances.

EMMY: Yes because you can read a lot of information but if you don’t play with it like children do, you don’t learn anything I guess, well maybe something.

KRIS: Indeed, absolutely!

EMMY: Because I had a lot of dreams lately and they were mostly playful I guess but also a lot about the sessions we had and I like to explore things in the dream state and also in waking life, I try to be more awake so to say. I used to hide a lot into music and so on and I almost got rid of my Discman habit, I used to listen to my Discman and totally not paying attention to the waking state much and now I’m being more and more and more attention to it and have fun in it also.

KRIS: Indeed and the more you have fun within it, the more fun you would find.

EMMY Yes indeed.

KRIS: You have excellent opportunities again; you are youthful, you have an enquiring, inquisitive mind, you have a certain base of knowledge that is excellent and you understand some of the premises of dreaming and the dream state and the environment of dreams.

EMMY: Yes and I’m learning in it also and I still have a lot to learn and I have a lot of time also I guess.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Because I tried the Egyptian, no the Tibetan book of the dead. I read it, got it from the library but I couldn’t make sense of it, but I did have some weird dreams after reading some pages even though I didn’t understand a thing about what was written there. Maybe I more often take the experience and see what it will bring road maybe in staid of reading difficult books at times.

KRIS: Because you can read all of the books in the world and a few moments spend with experiences in the dream state may have the same impact as reading all of the books.

EMMY: Indeed.

KRIS: And how you then take that experience and transfer it to the waking state and use that information to alter and change the physical world you experience for that is significant. You can not change the physical world someone else experiences but you can alter your experience of it.

Plus you bring to yourself even more interesting dreams that keep generating the relationship.

EMMY: The relationship with what exactly?

KRIS: The relationship that exist within your dreams and how you then take those dream experiences and apply them to physical life events. So you are realizing also that there are many connection from the dreams into physical events that you also often intuitively dreamt about upcoming events, at least to a certain degree.

EMMY: I did have several of them indeed, especially on issues that were very important for me, like my internship or starting my theatre-sports again. Those were very interesting because they show the connection so well between those two experiences so to say. And also I also had a dream about Andy Kaufman again.

KRIS: Indeed

EMMY: Where I was in a theatre and there was Robin Williams on stage pretending for us to be Andy but the audience knew that Andy wasn’t onstage and then Andy entered the room (from the side of the theatre) he saw me and he seemed a bit: oh I need to talk to her or something and then he went back and afterwards some woman called me.

She said: can you come for a minute and then I said hi to Andy, who looked very healthy and with a nice well, the hair was different then normally but and then we talked about the things we talked about also, about the weird summer where I thought I was Jim and Jim thought he was Andy I guess. And he made a small mistake even although there are no mistakes I guess, but he said: you thought you were me, but I said No I thought I was Jim and then we talked about being ill and he said something like that I would never get ill because of that weird period of mine and then I said something like: a part of you died from cancer, because he talked about his cancer period and that it was heavy and so on and he seemed very upset with my question. He said: you’re asking difficult questions. Can you say something about that dream?

KRIS: Indeed, now on the one hand most people tend to burry the stresses and the conflicts and the denials in their bodies without dealing with these issues, sometimes which can be very powerful issues. They create conditions within the body like a storm coming, a severe storm and their physical body cannot deal with the charge that they have put in it, because it is explosive; then the body starts to manifesting symptoms, sometimes different symptoms.

Now the dream state is an excellent, indeed a superb environment within which the individual may then make the necessary changes to the emotional or physical charges that exist in the storm and can make recommendations in the dream state to make the changes so that the tensions and the difficulties do not escalate. That means that the dream state can also be used as a powerful healing environment.

When we spoke about the healing chamber; if you notice some of its qualities when you find yourself in there, it is not different in a certain manner with the kind of healing energies that you have felt around you. You can use this inner dream healing chamber as a place where you may bring someone and allow them to heal, to feel the healing, to generate the changes within the dream state for themselves. Now you would not be doing the healing but providing the catalyst. To help them unite their forces and their minds.

EMMY: Like what I do with my hospital work and with drama therapy I guess.

KRIS: This is excellent, and as you mature you may find that the apparent location of the healing chamber may change because it is build out of your own energy.

EMMY: Yes indeed.

KRIS: Slowly you may find that the healing chamber is not necessarily something that even from the dream state is separated from you but it actually a concrete type of environment that you generate to help others. Plus you may bring the concept of this healing chamber out of the dream state and literally from within your being, use its energies to help others.

EMMY: Indeed and that is also similar to the hospital work I’m doing now only then it is from somebody else’s rainbow forest thing.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: That’s the work I do, I don’t know if you have any information about that or if I have to tell you about that?

KRIS: Please proceed.

EMMY: Well I work in the hospital at times, not very often, about once a month, once in the two months, with children who are in the hospital and we, from their imagination, we create a place where they can play in their imagination and not be ill there, and have nice experiences there instead of thinking about being ill. And we do that together with the parents and other people there in the hospital and I’ve been doing that for one year now and I still have to get used to it, and not to be afraid and to find my own method in that area also. And I guess I experienced after my healing chamber dream that that is the work I’m doing in the hospital work too. But I first had to experience it myself to notice that it is really working.

KRIS: Indeed, now one small suggestion for instance, when you yourself meditate upon your healing chamber through your essence, ask your Indian focus, you remember her?

EMMY: Yes she was called Satish.

KRIS: Indeed, ask Satish mentally through your essence in that healing chamber to help you find a symbol, perhaps through her own culture, perhaps through the Egyptian culture, something like the Egyptian ankh, that you can actually imbed, put in the healing chamber that will stay there permanently. It will act as a doorway to other energies and will constantly give of this energy within your healing chamber and when you tap into your healing chamber you’ll be able to draw and then direct this energy towards others.

So when you play with the children you obviously follow the meditation yourself, you create your own chamber, the children create their own imaginary room. You can invent in your room that all of the children are there.

You don’t have to tell any one of them of this, but you can invent that all of the children are in your healing room and you and them are receiving energy through this symbol.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And the energy goes to them and they use it as they need it, you may even see that the energy that reaches the children in your room and they are becoming well.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And those children in your room send energy to their physical counterparts that are in their room, do you understand?

EMMY: I understand that there is a kind of bridge between the rooms.

KRIS: Indeed and even if the children themselves are never aware of this from their end, they are entirely free to use that energy in a manner they see fit.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And at the same time those who have no immediate need of the energy in to their rooms may send it elsewhere, that is also acceptable.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: But you may also be surprised as to what some of them will tell you afterwards, because you do have discussions.

Encourage them to talk about what they may see, feel and experience in that room, in their own room and in the common room they find themselves in.

EMMY: Ok I will ask them and I first have to gain some more confidence with my co workers as I’m working with them, I have to have confidence in myself more to be comfortable myself in the room, or in the hospital room I guess, but I will for sure, this is very helpful for me, and I’ll use this method also.

KRIS: And even when you are there all by yourself make use of this symbol as if you were to go to a sun tanning salon, but this time it is an “energy tanning salon”. Do you understand?

EMMY: Yes I do understand, like you charge up a bit.

KRIS: Exactly, you generate love and joy and that is what you will get so that means that you need to pay attention to the moods that you develop, because if you would generate moods where you are not so friendly one day, do not go into your meditation room.

EMMY: No.

KRIS: Because the emotions and the feelings will be amplified, so you do not want to amplify those.

EMMY: No indeed.

KRIS: But you do not want to kill them either, you want to understand why you are putting that in your life. Then once things are peaceful you return to the room.

EMMY: To recharge.

KRIS: Indeed, completely.

EMMY: Yeah like do you mean that when I’m feeling angry or sad or whatever.

KRIS: Do not go into your healing room.

EMMY: Just let the wave come.. haha.. and the emotion and wait until it’s over.

KRIS: Exactly, you do not take a small boat out on the ocean when there is a storm.

EMMY: No indeed.

KRIS: You take the boat out when there is no storm.

EMMY: Yes ok, that’s a nice analogy. Oh yeah before I forget it I also promised my sister to ask a question also.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Let’s see if I can figure out my own handwriting here, she is asking a while ago she has decided to follow her heart, she chooses to live as consciously and honestly as possible and she is wondering if she is doing a good thing at the moment if I ask it correctly now.

KRIS: Indeed you cannot take any action, you can not do something that you have not agreed upon for one reason or another. So you cannot take a path that would be wrong for you even if at times it may appear this was perhaps not what you sought, do you understand?

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: So it is always the path that you had chosen and you see some good in it even if at times there is a storm. Now when one decides to follow their heart they need to understand as well that if you do not trust your heart you will need to discover why you do this. Do you understand?

If someone says for instance from now on I’ll trust my intuition, I will follow my intuition but they don’t trust their intuitions what are they going to get? Problems! They will create conflict and they will see that their intuition has lied to them. But when you concentrate upon not trusting you get situations that are not worthy of trust.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: And that is also the common discovery, because it is also part of your path to uncover why you think that you or your intuitions are not trustworthy.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: So there are always reasons within reasons, always. Does that make sense?

EMMY: Yes that makes a lot of sense because she talks about her intuition often also and she does not trust it at times.

KRIS: Intuitions can come in a variety of ways, sometimes they come directly through the intellect and other times through the feeling tones, other times through an impulse or a vision and they always seek to balance out, so sometimes you may get one strong intuition and you may also get another intuition that says to not trust it because things have changed, do you understand?

EMMY: Because things have changed for that situation?

KRIS: Indeed and both would still be valid. Again there is the problem of linear thinking. Some of these subjective experiences have nothing to do with the linear mind, they exist in another mind altogether. Now your sister may also benefit form using the tone of her essence name, if you would convey to her that her essence name is Tumalla.

EMMY: Tumalla?

KRIS: Indeed, T U M A L L A (Tumalla), if she resonates or vibrates with that tone she would find some deep or deeper connections and the quicker she deals with those things, those beliefs that say: the intuitions are not trustworthy the more intuitive she would become.

EMMY: Ok I’ll tell it to her, and I think it is helpful for her also.

KRIS: Indeed now we believe also that she has had separation in a romantic situation where she was hurt.

EMMY: Yes

KRIS: She has not cleared that up yet.

EMMY: Yes with her husband? Her ex-husband?

KRIS: Yes, that has not been completely cleared away, healed. It needs to be gotten out of the way to let go of that. Do you understand?

EMMY: Yes, I understand.

KRIS: The best way is that she recognise even though she was hurt she is still a lovely person, she is worthy of love and respect especially from herself and that will help her heal that wound.

EMMY: Yes ok.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

EMMY: It’s now 23.22 (my time) so it’s almost half past.

KRIS: Indeed, we suggest to end our lovely discussion with you. Do pursue, do keep working with your dreams, you are on the edge of some changes in the dream state. Something in the next several perhaps few months will change in your dreams, as if you are discovering a whole new reality within it and that will be significant.

EMMY: Ok.

KRIS: So keep a dream eye, keep the glass eye out.

EMMY: I will and I want to thank you very much for everything of tonight.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And also for other moments probably

KRIS: And our sincere regards to your partner.

EMMY: I’ll give it to him.

KRIS: And with that we will return Joseph to you, and do enjoy your summer.

EMMY: I thank you very much.

Cleansing Ceremony

June 19, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.
June 19, 2004

Background:

Over the course of a year and even more so a lifetime each one of us as physical beings are given an unlimited amount of options and choices. Foreseeing all possible probabilities and possibilities, the Universe and our Essences give us the energies necessary to pursue those probabilities and possibilities but we don’t always take advantage of those energies or utilize them.

Having said this, it is only fair to return these energies to the Universe and allow them to be recycled and reused by others. By doing this it allows us to release built up energies that we aren’t using and allows new energies and new potentials, new possibilities to come into our lives.

There are also events, circumstances and conditions in our daily lives that we deem to be negative or bad. We often bury those negative energies and give them safe harbor deep in our psyche, giving them free reign to manifest themselves as nightmares or sometimes as physical illnesses.

To the Universe and to our Essences there is no such thing as positive and negative, only energy. Energy is energy. It’s what we do with those energies that matters. So if we have energies pent up inside us that WE deem to be negative and aren’t doing US any good it is only too clear that we should again return them to the Universe so that they can be recycled and reused by others in a positive way.

In order to release and recycle these energies, our beloved friend Kris gave Serge and I this Cleansing Ceremony to perform. He recommends performing it a couple of times a year such as on the Spring and Fall Equinoxes or the Winter and Summer Solstices. You might want to perform it annually on your birthday or your anniversary or every New Years Eve. The choice is yours. The first time that Serge and I performed it was in conjunction with the Blessing of the Home Ceremony.

Requirements:

- One candle per person present, Kris recommends beeswax but it isn’t mandatory.

- One glass of water per person. I am sure that tea will suffice.

- Soothing background music if you like.

- A relaxed and comfortable sitting position.

The Ceremony:

The ceremony itself is quite simple. Turn on the music and light the candles. If there is more than one person, sit comfortably facing each other. Then you ask The Universe and ‘All That Is’ to please take back and recycle all of the unused and un-realized energies and potentials as well as the so called bad or negative energies. Offer to exchange these unopened or unused gifts of energies for others that may be more useful or practical or even more valuable for you. Be sure to say ‘Thank You’, take a drink of water or tea then blow out or extinguish your candle.

This concludes the ceremony. You should start to feel its effects almost immediately. Personally I felt lighter, as if a burden had been lifted off of my shoulders.

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