Inner Senses, Probabilities Meditation, Mozart, Beethoven

May 31, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Daalmaation
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, May 31, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Inner Sense Meditation, Mozart, Beethoven and Probable Selves.

Attending Daal, his son Scott, Lida and Mark

7:41pm Session Begins

KRIS: We thank you for braving the rain and providing some presence. We are glad to see you again Daal and we hope that you will continue to have more fun.

DAAL: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: We shall greet your son number two. Is that correct?

DAAL: Yes, that is correct.

KRIS: Welcome Scott.

SCOTT: Thank you.

KRIS: Now, if you have some inquiries, please feel free. We enjoy rambunctious evenings as much as we enjoy the more orderly kind.

MARK: Somebody have questions?

DAAL: Kris, we lost the last two-thirds of the first session I had with you. Would it be possible to perhaps revisit some of those questions?

KRIS: Indeed. That will also guaranty that there are no more of these cheapie batteries in those gizmos.

DAAL: Ok. We will hope for the best then. As I remember, where we left off you were explaining or proposing an exercise. I must admit I can’t remember a thing of what you said. And so when the session was lost, it was completely– I don’t know about you Mark…

MARK: Yeah…

KRIS: We are surprised that your batteries gave out too. (General laughter)

DAAL: Good point

KRIS: Now, perhaps an exercise in memory would be useful as well.

DAAL: Right.

LIDA: That would be great actually.

MARK: I remember you wanted the quick route

DAAL: I think where we lost it was where Kris was about to explain a second exercise, as I remember, one not involving the use of the physical senses, which was the first one that was proposed. Does that help to identify the starting point?

KRIS: Indeed. For the most part, simply to reiterate, utilizing the physical senses as you know them presently and venturing forth with them into areas that you do not normally utilize them for can be and is just as valid as other types of exercises that may not utilize the physical senses at all, but instead utilizes the inner senses.

Utilizing the inner senses, including visualizations and particular tone exercises, can indeed provide as potent a series of benefits. One of the important factors though, would be for you to know what kind of results you are expecting, for the expectation will already partially determine what kind of results you can draw to yourself, even though you will still have elements that will surprise you nonetheless, for it would not be predetermined but instead enriched by a format that you would give it through your expectations. Does that make some sense?

DAAL: Yes, yes it does. Interesting. So that sort of completes the use of the physical senses approach, is that correct?

KRIS: The approach of utilizing the physical senses can be varied and as colored (colorful) as any other types of exercises but they can be separated. Utilizing the inner senses can lead into greater sensitivity when you return to the utilization of your physical senses, so one can enhance the other in either direction.

If you begin with the utilization of some of the inner senses — inner perceptive mechanisms — then you draw to yourself a slight and varied, and different experience that can be as valid as any other you would draw to yourself in your regular sensory terms.

(The following visualization/meditation or guided imagery was delivered by Kris with a slower pace and almost rhythmic, hypnotic fashion and tone of voice).

For instance, if you were to lean back into the couch, take a deep breath to release tension from your chest, your abdomen and all parts of bodies and extremities, gently flowing with the rhythm of your breathing.

And from this calm state that you create inside — whether you call it the imagination, the inner stage, the unconscious — you would then start casting about, feeling what is in that environment, detecting inner sounds, inner movement, inner shapes that may not have any predetermined form as such.

And from the quiet of your mind, allow yourself to draw to your awareness, to your consciousness those elements found in that environment whether, as we have mentioned, it is a shape, a sound, perhaps even a color, a tone. And as you draw it into your consciousness and become more and more aware of its dimensions, its reality, slowly allow that element to unfold before you in whatever manner that best suits the presentation and the experience.

And undoubtedly, the tendency would be to interpret the experience through the memory of your usual sense apparatus. But the idea would be to allow the inner experience to take its own presence, its own form and to unfold the experience with you.

If, for instance, your consciousness detects something akin to a color, then by all means allow that color to also reveal its dynamics for it may very well have a sound, a texture, a form, a shape, depth, dimensions and others. And it may very well be something more than what you usually perceive as a color with your normal sensory apparatus, leading you more and more away from normal experiences in the every day world utilizing more and more of the inner senses.

And after a short amount of time, perhaps ten or fifteen minutes allow yourself to return to the awareness of your body and its place in time and space, returning fully to your regular daily activities but paying attention to how your physical senses may themselves have been either enhanced, slightly modified in whatever manner which can yet again give you another perspective still upon the physical experience you have on a daily basis.

Does that make some sense to you?

DAAL: Oh yes. I’ll have to try it.

KRIS: Indeed. We do recommend that you not try this while driving.

DAAL: Another question?

KRIS: Indeed, as you wish.

DAAL: Same question I put to you the last time. Is human existence designed primarily to be a learning experience.

KRIS: That may also open up a proverbial can of worms, in a manner of speaking. What is a lesson? What decides lessons according to human experience. There are a host of other fields of equally oriented questions attached to your question. And though it may be practical to try and understand these questions and extrapolate some answers to fit the descriptions inherent in the questions, it must also be studied in a different light.

For example , some say that as a human being you are here to experience different emotional states: anger, goodness, love, fear. But that is only scratching at the very surface of those dimensions The experience itself is far more than simply trying to understand, for instance, if your state is one of aggression, or one of negativity, or positivity. The underlying factors are usually ignored or not contemplated, sometimes even denied. But it is these multitudes of underlying factors that are extremely important and that flesh out, fill out all the nooks and crannies and the psychological cupboards that you may have.

Going back to the idea of aggression and fear, for instance. It could be a very fine thing to say that you are here to understand about negative thoughts, negative energy, aggression, but are these the true issues? Are you also here to understand how, through the auspices of your expectations, of your various convictions, you literally take energy and transform it into living situations and conditions of the human experience thereby, again giving it a secondary transformation, one that launches itself into the drama of human life, transforming your perceptions, your understanding of reality, perhaps even affecting the thoughts and beliefs of others around you, setting off chain reactions that literally can transform many individuals all at once even if only on the level of emotions?

So there are so many other factors that can be explored with such a question. So it is not that you are only here as a human being to learn lessons as if the earth experience was one big schoolyard. You would owe [the] teacher many apples and hopefully none have worms.

So there are many, many factors that need to be considered, need to be explored as well as the need to ask different types of questions examining the concept of physical reality in a new light. That is something that will take your species many more years to consider, but it will come about because it is part of a natural cycle of evolution, and not in the Darwinian sense, but psychological evolution. Does that answer your question somewhat?

DAAL: Yes it answers my question somewhat. You’re obviously stating that experiences here have all kinds of ramifications at…

KRIS: Indeed.

DAAL: …at levels or in even perhaps dimensions that we consciously have no awareness of.

KRIS: Indeed. Much like, for instance, the wave that travels on the surface of the ocean. You do not see all the activity below the surface, all the churning and the life forms that are being swept in all the undersea currents that are propelling that particular wave upon the surface. Similarly, all of these surface experiences are couched and safely nested in the deeper values that are hardly perceptible unless and until, as an individual, you open the eyes that are normally closed. You awaken from being dazzled with physical reality and understand that even physical reality itself is not what it appears, that it is something else.

DAAL: But is it important to do that? Is it significant to the individual, or to me, as I know me, as I am sitting here thinking and perceiving?

KRIS: Indeed. Because it will and can, if allowed, literally take you on an inner journey that leads you to examine the underlying motivations and intentions for your own actions and thought over and above the simple primal ones such as “I need to eat, I need to sleep, I need to reproduce, I need to take home the bacon”. There are other motivations that propel you through the human experience and through time and space.

DAAL: Would it be proper to refer to them as psychological…

KRIS: They are all psychological demands and some are highly colored, some contain fascinating answers to the human dilemma. They are not often explored. They are indeed the uncharted territories, unexplored lands.

DAAL: Can you make that more concrete by giving a specific example. Take what were talking about —emotions surfacely — and then the implications…

KRIS: The feeling is the cause of the surface situations. For instance, in your world you have volcanoes. And at first glance, a volcano is nothing more than a mountain that blows its top and that eventually spills its guts. But there are actions below the surface: the movement of tectonic plates, the flow of lava deep beneath the earth into special channels. For instance, volcanic eruptions and tremors in one part of the world can have an effect thousands of miles away, as recently uncovered. Volcanic tremors in the Alaskan state have had effects in Yellowstone Park thousands of miles away. There are underground shifts occurring. Do you understand so far?

DAAL: Well, I do but is that a metaphor of the self or is that going beyond the self?

KRIS: Indeed. Indeed sir, exactly…because there are individuals, for instance, whom only act at the most surface levels of their personality confined to the realm of the ego only, without necessarily understanding that there are deeper motivations, deeper emotional states that push them, urge them to act.

For instance, take an individual, and we will use a sometimes unpleasant and uncomfortable analogy. For example, take an individual who feels that it is his duty to keep his wife in check with periodic physical abuse. It could be easy to brush this off as that is the nature of a male chauvinist pig. Correct?

DAAL: Umh…maybe something worse.

KRIS: More or less. Now, digging deeper may reveal that this individual may have been brought up in an environment not dissimilar to his own. His childhood environment may have led him to believe that such conditions are the norm and that is how such an individual should act, not realizing that he has his own abusive situations and conflicts to resolve which may also have stemmed from the abuses he received as a child. And until these deeper states are brought to the surface of the conscious mind and dealt with appropriately, the individual may never put the two together and may very well raise his own children in that type of environment and perpetuate the dysfunction. And do understand, this is perhaps a crude analogy but we believe it can get the point across. Do you follow sir?

DAAL: I follow. I mean…is that as deep as it goes?

KRIS: It can go much deeper than, that but we don’t wish to exhaust your charming ears.

LIDA: Kris, why are we choosing this type of existence? For example, if we can function in our higher consciousness that would be so much more beneficial to us.

KRIS: To a certain degree. The human experience provides you with a medium, unlike any other, that allows you — allows all human beings — to eventually understand the enormous abilities and powers and responsibilities that come with the transformation of energy from one state or another into another state through the use of your convictions or beliefs, your emotions, and a host of conditions attached to human life.

Now, if that is the case, then what is the point? Why do that? Because your own consciousness, your eternal and immortal self is not meant to stay in this environment indefinitely, just like the person donning the scuba diving suit is not meant to live under water all the time, but only to take excursions into that environment, Do you follow so far?

LIDA: Yes.

KRIS: Therefore, you are here to acquire knowledge, experience, understanding in the transformation of energy from one state or another through your own self. Why? Because you yourselves will essentially give birth to other selves. And in order to give them the proper resources, to these other selves you need to know how to work and balance these energies and create appropriate environments for their growth. If we use standard terminology then you are in the process of learning how to be as your source selves. And since you do and will travel into many other dimensions, you need to know how to be able to operate within some of these other dimensions, some of which have very different rules and laws of physics than your own.

You need to know how to manipulate your energies conscientiously and responsibly and always, out of the deepest love that you can give to yourself and to others without getting overly mushy. Does that answer your question?

LIDA: Are we here to learn how to love, because all the other stuff we can learn after we are functioning in the higher consciousness much more efficiently.

KRIS: You are here to learn as many different facets of the human potential as is imaginable. What you perceive from your ego’s point of view, again, is the top of the iceberg. You are here to eventually become more and more aware and conscious of all that is available to you above and beyond the confines of ego and the personality and physical reality and take as much as possible in.

Do you understand?

LIDA: Yes I do but I still feel that it is going the hard way or learning the hard way when we decide to…

KRIS: It may appear the hard way to you right now but the payoff is immense. If we were to use another set of words then some people would say that you are children of God. Therefore, if you are a child of God, what are you going to be when you grow up?

Therefore, learning how to transform energy from one state to another is perhaps the preliminary stages. How you transform that energy through the auspices of your own being is every man’s responsibility because it creates worlds, it creates dimensions and realities which are then populated often with your own spiritual offspring.

Another way perhaps to look at this is if you could just look at your parents and know how to be a good parent, why do you need to be a parent yourself? Their experiences may be valid but you have your own desires. You wish to give birth to your own children. Therefore, you redesign the entire context of the concept parenthood for yourselves, giving your children the benefits of your own personal and unique experiences, and so on and so forth.

It’s may be the more difficult route, to actually — especially for the mother — to undergo so much labor and so on and so forth but there is also the factor of desire, of wanting. If you did not desire children or motherhood, it would not occur. If you would not desire physical existence, it would not occur. So you are here out of desire and that desire stems from love.

Even before this birth you had concluded that through this human experience and the desire to be, you would learn specific valuable lessons in love, regardless of the challenges. So there is in each of you a love of the human experience, a love of experience, as well. And it is far more than simply puppy love. This is a definition of love that is often frowned upon because so many people think this old ghost is off his rocker, saying we love physical experience, human experience with all of its wholesale murder and genocide and all of the things that people do to each other, man’s inhumanity to man and so on and so forth. That is an inaccurate description of the human experience over all and a very narrow minded one at that.

So we suggest now a small break so that you can rest your minds.

8:17pm Break begins

8:22 Break ends

KRIS: Concerning your analogy of the artist and his canvas or her canvas: consider that the artist is not only painting because the impulse to do so is natural to him and because he desires to create something on the canvas. The scene on the canvas that the artist does not yet perceive with his eyes, but perceives with his heart and his mind and his emotions, needs that life, needs to be brought into that consciousness.

So whether the art is a painting of Mona Lisa or a tree or whatever; the form that will appear on the canvas is imbued with the desires, the emotions and the energies of the artist and, although to your eyes, it may seem little more than goopy glue and oils and pigments, whatever elements the artist a master at, you do not see the underlying realities that compose that canvas.

Again, the desires, the energies, the imagination, the heart of the artist filling all of the molecules that eventually appear on the canvas through the magic of the paintbrush and even though, to your eyes, it may be a tree or Mona Lisa or a skyscraper or a river, unseen to your eyes it has its own reality, its own dimension and its own energies now given by the artist.

In some ways to your eyes it may not have (be) anything but a combination of pigment and oils, but from another perspective it has its own type of sentience and life. The particles that compose all the elements that form the canvas and the oils and pigments are themselves units of consciousness. And they have, in their way, accepted that form because it fulfills their values of participating in the creation of the canvas with the energies, the emotions, the drives and desires of the artist and his or her brush.

So there is a highly creative process that goes unseen to the naked eye and that adds to the fulfillment both of the units of consciousness and the artist. Now this may not necessarily bring any money into the bank to sell that concept to the banker but you can remove that if you like because the analogy has been going on for ten minutes.

Suffice it to say that there are things that go on behind the scene that you have little concern for but that can be considered as an added dimension to your experience.

Similarly, though it might be far quicker and less painful and strenuous to simply observe all of these experiences from the perspective of the higher self or the essence still would the parent renounce the giving birth and the raising of their children in spite of the fact that it might have given you grey hairs and other difficulties and challenges. That is also part of what you have come here for because you give of your own love, you give of your own self whether through sacrifice or otherwise, because you desire it to be so.

MARK: So going back to the analogy, we are the artist, as well as the canvas, the oils and the image on the canvas, but we’re only perceiving it — the ego is only perceiving it — as the image. Is that so?

KRIS: You can consider it in that manner but there are realities within realities that you do not see. You might sense they are all part of the picture. They all complement and enhance your own value fulfillment.

Do you have a question perhaps, O silent one (referring to Scott)?

SCOTT: Yes. I was actually going to ask Elias these questions because I have a lot of conflict in this area, but the composer Mozart…something to do with his energy, sort of his…I don’t know…his vibration or whatever…I feel a certain comfortableness with it as opposed to the other composers like Beethoven or whatever. Is there any further, is there relation between the two other than just appreciating his work?

KRIS: Now the individual…we believe the full name is Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart…

SCOTT: Actually he had a couple other…

KRIS: Indeed.

That individual had a very special purpose for incarnating. The source or essence agreed with the personality that very early on in life the child would manifest talents and abilities unlike any that had ever been seen before. We believe that even by the age of five and six, he was demonstrating these talents, had knowledge of musical composition far beyond even those of the adult composers of his time.

This did not always endear him to his elders. However, there was a high degree of creativity and drive almost to the point of obsession with this individual. And the use of the inner senses was more prominent with him than many others of his time. He literally lived in an ocean of sound, sounds that the human ear rarely ever hears, but that the individual hears because of course you realize you are not your ears and that your ears hear certain sounds, sounds you may not hear and that you may hear certain sounds that your ears do not detect. Do you understand?

SCOTT: Your talking about the origin of the sound being physical versus…

KRIS: There are psychological sounds, there are dimensions of sound that have nothing to do with [knocks with hand on nearby cabinet] that kind of sound. Just like there are dimensions of color that have nothing to do with the color purple or red or green. There are realities composed entirely of sound, sound structures, sound waves that appear in other realities as something else. For instance, if you were to put wading boots on and step into the creek, how do you think the trout would see them? …certainly not in the way you would see them.

SCOTT: Something largely foreign occupying…

KRIS: Something it would obviously consider alien to its environment, exactly in the same way that other beings, perhaps from other dimensions or realities, sometimes intrude in your reality or your world and are then identified as UFOs. They partially take on the shapes that are psychically acceptable in your world, still remain… retain some of their original construction. So you get a hybrid perception.

Now, Mozart had developed inner senses that allowed him to perceive sound dimensions and realities that he could then translate into many of the musical compositions, some of which are unlike anything heard of previous. These, even to this day, still affect those who listen to it, correct? Yes.

And if used properly in a deep meditative state, some of Mozart’s compositions can lead you into a different type of out of body experience than the ones that are classically read about, which would not necessarily involve actually leaving the body, as your own senses would actually open up into those dimensions, similar to the ones Mozart tapped into, and it would require some practice, but it is possible. Do you understand?

Much like the shaman would go into astral traveling, except in this case, you would not travel anywhere as much as simply open up to some of the realities that are already inherent in this one, but hidden, not perceived, because man’s mind has not opened up to the possibilities. Does that make some sense to you?

SCOTT: It makes a lot of sense, I am just curious to further that. What is my personal interest in this fellow? I have done like art projects and whatever on him. Is it just that I am trying to understand what is…you know… the dimension that he has shown mankind through his music…is it just that I am drawn to that and I just want to understand it for myself?

KRIS: Perhaps a little more. What we have described to you is because you have like others, an affinity to explore those sound dimensions. Many do come to a similar appreciation of his music as you have but do not pursue mainly because they have no idea that they have within their consciousness the keys to travel within in that way. And when you were in another experience, another focus you had some contact with the individual in question, just as this one (Phillip – Mark) has had.

SCOTT: What was that?

KRIS: You were more or less an urchin, a street urchin. Do you know what that is?

SCOTT: Basically someone who is living on the street.

MARK: A street vendor

KRIS: A street urchin is usually a child with a poor background, lives often in the street, finds somewhere perhaps in a safe spot under a porch, somewhere to hide and perhaps sleep at night.

Now, we believe that you used to hide very near Mozart’s residence, where you could often hear his creative genius at work and (you) became enthralled. You fell in love with the music because it gave you something other than the often painful reminder of the living situation you were in on a day to day basis. It enabled you to forget your poverty and suffering. And, very slightly, helps you tap into some of that energy and creative drive that you are re-kindling again. Do you understand?

SCOTT: Is that affecting this focus, you’re saying? I am trying to do that now or back…?

KRIS: You did then and you are bringing that back now. Do you understand?

SCOTT: Kind of, yeah.

DAAL: Kris, you said there was an agreement between — I didn’t quite get it — between the entity of Mozart and the focus of Mozart? Is that correct? Is that what you said?

KRIS: Indeed.

DAAL: Prior to the…

KRIS: Incarnating; that the development of his talents would not be as gradual and long term as many of his contemporaries. It would be highly accelerated and would come literally innate, second nature to the boy.

DAAL: Was there also an agreement as to Mozart’s relatively short life?

KRIS: Indeed.

DAAL: He would appear to have died at a time when he was at his most productive, his most prolific his most creative.

KRIS: It appeared initially that he was well above…quite ahead of his time, while in actuality he was still needed by his time. He imbued generations of composers after him with creative ideas spilling from the seeds he had sown. He gave new insight into the musical realities much like you get a booster shot except his was a musical psychological booster shot for his time.

DAAL: Could you …just out of curiosity…comment on the connection between Mozart and Beethoven in that Beethoven was a student of Mozart briefly and, of course, another creative genius.

KRIS: If you consider that Beethoven was deaf you would have to also admit that this indeed was another highly creative genius who tapped into hearing musical compositions, also producing them almost copy perfect without physically hearing a single note.

SCOTT: I imagine Mozart, wouldn’t hear it…same as Beethoven, I mean Mozart could have been deaf as well, right, because…

KRIS: Indeed. There was no need initially to use the physical ears to hear the sounds. Much in the same way that, even without hearing anything, ‘you’ can still hear music in your head.

DAAL: The thing that amazes me about Beethoven was …I understand the point that you are making…but he wasn’t able to confirm what he thought he heard. I mean there is always that impulse to…is it really right…I mean you want to hear it in real terms. I would have thought he would have suffered that problem.

KRIS: There may have been that problem but he dealt with it admirably.

DAAL: I am sure he did!

KRIS: And the source for both was the same.

DAAL: You are saying the same…

KRIS: Same essence or source self, trying simply a different experimentation.

SCOTT: Did you say they were the same essence?

KRIS: We did.

SCOTT: Two different focuses are the same essence?

KRIS: Indeed. An essence can have more than one focus.

SCOTT: Apparently, I have 491. Can you confirm that?

KRIS: Numbers from our perspective are sometimes irrelevant for they can change. They can become less; they can become more.

SCOTT: To this focus, it is not relevant how many I have?

KRIS: Indeed. You could have five thousand and it would mean little to you unless of course you had to feed them all. (General laughter).

MARK: So getting back to Mozart, so Mozart was basically expressing through music what he was experiencing in his mind?

KRIS: What he was experiencing was other levels of his self.

MARK: So he wasn’t even necessarily hearing music, he was expressing through music.

KRIS: He did find on many occasions that his frail physical form was almost an impediment that prevented him from fully releasing the music of his soul which created such beautiful tension, the creative desirable dilemma not unlike all-that-is when it creates, which it is always doing.

DAAL: Kris, can you comment further on the entity? I mean, it would seem to be rather special, having introduced two of the three musical geniuses of the era unless you’re going to tell me that Bach was also of that same entity.

KRIS: Then we will not. [long pause]

The particular essence that gave rise to these two personalities was not originally from the cluster that gives your nine families of consciousness their source. It had, we shall say, traveled to many other different kinds of realities to enhance its own perceptions. It’s highly evolved in its own right and has a true love and appreciation of very powerful creative drives.

Music is not its only interest; sound is not its only interest. Prior to this, it gave birth, in its own way, to the great creative genius of Michael Angelo. It only…we do not mean to say the word interjects…but…interacts with your realities on an occasional basis injecting within it a highly creative energy with specific developed personality. It is almost time for another such creative tour into your reality. Only every few hundred years of your time, much like a comet that has come through the psychological skies of your reality. Do you follow?

DAAL: Yep. Can you comment further on that as to…you know…what…how it will materialize in terms of…

LIDA: …the art or?

DAAL: Yeah. The specific art or…

KRIS: We believe this one will be somewhat different since the thrust of your culture and civilization is more technologically oriented, that, this time it may indeed create personalities that will use technology in ways that have not been thought of and again transform society, culture and civilization in a manner that is constructive and positive for all.

DAAL: Would we think of that as expressing an art form, a creative art form or…?

KRIS: Much more of a practical level of creative genius, making use of present technologies, but at an accelerated rate which would normally take perhaps fifty to a hundred years to develop might suddenly be discovered by one or two individuals.

MARK: So somebody who could create software that doesn’t crash. (Laughter)

KRIS: Now you are dreaming!!

LIDA: Have these individuals been born already?

KRIS: Not yet.

SCOTT: Do you have their names yet?

KRIS: They do not even know they are boy or girl. What is the time?

MARK: 8:51

KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps one quick question?

SCOTT: I hit my head really hard back in like 1987 and ever since things have been really weird. I was also having…I think that was the time of the Challenger accident. Is there something further to that other than sustaining a concussion for a few days? Because that seems to be a date in my head that sticks out? Sometime in 1987 I went off a bicycle ramp that was quite high and was knocked out for a while and I woke up at home being taken care of by Mom, you know, bandages and such. But ever since then things have seemed different. Did something at that point?

KRIS: Date gain?

SCOTT: Do you know the date?

DAAL: I know the incident.

MARK: What was the year and roughly the month?

SCOTT: I think it was 87, summertime, probably…school was out, so probably late June, July. It’s a re-occurring date that I see a lot. 1987 is coming up everywhere.

KRIS: Are you familiar with the concept of probable selves?

SCOTT: Somewhat.

KRIS: If you could see one reality suddenly split, diverge, you on the one hand survive as you are now, but another fared worse than you, though did no die. So you have a probable self in an alternate or probable reality from this one who ended up a quadriplegic.

Though that Scott’s body cannot be used the way yours can, his brain and mind have more or less compensated where he is able to examine reality from a different perspective. If you were to ask your essence, or inner or your dream self for suggestions that would lead you to peek into that Scott’s development, you might make some interesting connections and experience some of his views. He could experience some of yours.

SCOTT: Is he slowing me down in any way.

KRIS: Indeed not. In fact, the brain functions have developed somewhat more than yours because he is not able to use his body like you can. So you can actually benefit.

SCOTT: Like a brain that just can’t move anywhere. I can always ask him, I can always find him, you know..

MARK: And he can gain from your physical…to understand your ability to move around. He can experience that through the same open doorway.

KRIS: Our perception is that there are times when he is able to peek through your reality, through your eyes. When you see those coincidences, when you experience them, try to cast about in your mind for that signature of his…do you understand?…that energy of his.

SCOTT: I have a feeling about what you are taking about.

KRIS: Indeed.

SCOTT: Was there a connection between the shuttle accident and my accident in any way?

KRIS: We do not believe anything more than that they happened at a similar time, very close together but it means more to him because in some ways he is like an astronaut of consciousness. He is able to leave his body since he cannot use it. Out of it, he is much freer. Do you understand? You can learn many things from this psychological twin of yours. This is worth an exploration.

SCOTT: Is that the only occurrence of this twin that I have, as my essence of Gaia?

KRIS: This particular one is the most prominent. And there is no need at this point to explore others that are perhaps less significant. This one is…this was a pivotal moment because you yourself literally came — what is the expression — a hair’s breath from dying yourself, of losing your existence.

SCOTT: In that one bicycle accident?

KRIS: Indeed.

Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:57

KRIS: Indeed. We suggest that you gave Joseph the rest of this evening and may you all be as charming as all of your greatest dreams and all of those blessings that we can give you do give to yourselves as well. And have a good, fun evening.

All: Thank you.

End 8:58

Future Technologies and Rama Civilization

May 24, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, May 24, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call: Lida and Mark

Mark’s notes: Prior to Kris’ appearance Lida made some comments.

One was how Kris often pauses, sometime in length to ponder before he answers a question. The other comment that she made was how much she enjoys the meditations that he gives us and how they seem to work better when we do them with him as opposed to doing them on our own. She said that she hopes that he would give us a new meditation tonight.

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Session Begins 7:28 PM

KRIS: Now we thank you for having taken the time to come to share and indeed we will also act as if Andrea is still here.

LIDA: She probably still is, or at least her higher self.

KRIS: Your earlier discussion was most indeed interesting.

When there is for example a momentary pause or one that takes a few moments of your time, it is often because the questions that are asked have the potential to lead off into several if not MANY probabilities and we do try to make a concerted effort to rummage through as many of them as possible to give the best answer at our disposal. There are other times when the question asked differs from the intent, perhaps even slightly but sufficiently enough to enable us to work at different levels simultaneously to provide an answer that addresses both issues, the one that is conscious and the one that is not made at the conscious level, the one that is still simmering beneath the surface, the one where the issues are not yet resolved.

And there are other times where there is a need to reorganize some of the information that is more suitable in the here and now, making it more practical and less abstract. Does that give you a sufficient answer?

LIDA: Yes, very much so.

KRIS: Imagine that you are on the ground toiling about your daily business while there is someone on the high tower near by and you ask that individual at the top of the tower which may be hundreds of feet above the ground, to look about into the distance and tell you what they see. Though sometimes you may have never ventured very far from the tower itself, the individual in the tower may not only have seen into the distance but may have actually been in those places as well and now has to make sure that what he or she sees and understands is explained in such a manner that the individual on the ground asking the question can understand what is being talked about.

So it has to be worded in such a manner that the one doing the inquiring actually understands in some way, what is being said. Otherwise the answers are meaningless. Does that make some sense?

LIDA: Yes, you gave a very good example Kris.

KRIS: Now we believe that you had some questions. (Pointing at Mark).

MARK: Yes. Last week you were telling us about using suggestion to create ‘coolness’ on those really hot days and nights. I was wondering if you would give us some ‘actual’ suggestions and a better example in order to clarify that.

LIDA: Or vice-versa, right?

MARK: I was having difficulty using the auto-suggestion. I didn’t know what to say, what to think.

KRIS: We did think that it was worded in such a manner that would have made it relatively easy for you to understand that if you are focusing constantly upon the heat and how it is bothersome and how it is stifling and how it is making you sweaty and hot and that you would actually take your attention away from that concentration and gently focus instead upon the cooling effects of the sweat on your body for instance. As well as utilizing whatever air currents are in your room or space that are available to further add to the cooling effect. The main point is to take your mind away from your object of distress and change your focus where you actually do feel the coolness because it is there. You just need to enhance it. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes, thank you.

LIDA: Would it help to visualize snow for instance or is it better to not think about it?

KRIS: If you start concentrating on snow then you are expending efforts to countermand the heat so you are still doing the same. Do you understand?

So by focusing instead on what you are ignoring, meaning the cooling effects of the breezes and your sweat should be sufficient to draw your mind and your attention AWAY FROM and INTO the already cooling effects of the environment upon your body, even if ever so slightly. Then you can enhance and magnify that cooling effect.

LIDA: How does it work for being too cold?

KRIS: You can then focus upon the heat that is generated by the blood circulating within your veins and throughout you body, the natural heat of the core of your body. Do you understand?

Now this does imply that you will be practical, that in a high heat environment you will not start running and jogging and building a house but that you will out of practical purpose still lay low. The same will apply when it is winter for instance so that then you will not go about shoveling snow in nothing but Bermuda shorts. .

It is also a matter of being practical and down to Earth. If you step out in the cold of winter make sure that you are properly dressed but you can use the natural heating and cooling effects to enhance the body in either situation. Does that make sense?

MARK: I was wondering if it is possible if you could describe to us ‘what other projects that we might be doing as an essence’. For instance I know that ONE of the things that Philip is doing is incarnating as Mark but what other things other than incarnation in physicality, in physical reality does the higher self do?

KRIS: As with all source selves there is always much more than simply taking care of the children so to speak. The source selves also see to the maintaining to the proper amounts of energy directed at each of its own aspects, whether you call them reincarnational selves, probable selves, counterparts and so on and so forth. Thus there is always a free flow of energetic exchanges between the source and the aspects or focuses because the focuses are an expression of the source and only different in the focuses perceptions. Do you understand?

At the same time the source selves acts as an intermediary, a center for information exchange between all the variousfocuses, providing a vast network through which the experiences of each focus personality provide conceptual data that can be organized and shared to all others and vice-versa. Do you understand that?

That alone is an enormous task on its own. Then there is the matter of all of the various probabilities and dream dimensions where all of the aspects of the source are also involved. So the source self for instance may also further project into the dream realities of each focus personality under whatever guise is necessary to provide a learning environment, a place and a space where that focus personality, somewhat removed from its regular environment can have the opportunity to reflect upon larger concepts of existence AND further reflect on its own abilities to create its own reality.

Thus with source it will experiment with various notions of emotions and their intensities of concentrations. This may even involve the source self bringing in the dream self of other personalities into environment where there are similar lessons to be learnt together, creating a sort of class room environment for instance and this may also include focus personalities of other source selves who are on a similar learning curve. Do you follow?

These psychological atmospheres are also partially generated by the source self to provide the opportunity to enrich the value fulfillment potential, not only of its own source self but each of the focus personalities engaged in the activities of that moment.

That moment point represents actions of a very deep and energetic nature that may cascade forward into the lives of the focus personalities in daily living terms, thus again providing stepping stones to discoveries of selfhood.

Source selves do function separately from the combined units of the gestalts that they are. They also function with all of the sums of their own parts. Do you follow?

These are some of the events in the days of the source self. An interesting soap opera for sure!

If you grasp the extent of those kinds of activities you will also understand that it generates countless other actions from each one, each one act generating countless others. That is the purpose of value fulfillment for each unit or aspect of the gestalt and still, were they ever combined they would still not amount to the whole. That is the meaning of a gestalt. There are always interesting generational activities in those terms and not in your human terms.

MARK: That is definitely food for thought.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

MARK: You I believe notified Joseph that you wanted to talk about the magnetic trains, the high speed trains that we watched on the Discovery Channel?

KRIS: Indeed. Not so much about the choo-choo train, but more specifically about the electromagnetic properties of the propellers. Now your physicists are much involved in the studying of these electromagnetic platforms which in themselves are a type of propeller working in conjunction with the train. Further experimentation will lead to the discovery of using such devices for a variety of purposes other than propelling TRAINS at high speeds from one end of the country to another.

LIDA: Can you give us an example?

KRIS: Indeed what you are looking at in certain ways is the beginnings of your ‘anti-gravity devices’ found in so many science fiction stories. Do you understand?

Eventually the manufacturing of such can be that smaller and smaller devices are created to produce these electromagnetic fields which will counter balance the effects of your gravity. As you understand poorly the nature of gravity in your physics and in your dimension to the point where it might eventually be realized that some ancient plates found in many of the ancient cultures that have built large monuments such as the pyramids, you may understand that some of these large plates were in a way, the result of devices similar to your modern electromagnetic plates and the effects that they produce. Do you understand?

So in other words, instead of playing with the foolish idea that it took hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Egyptians and slaves to haul blocks of stone weighing several tons up steep inclines made of sand, your physicists will suddenly realize that there is an alternative answer. Some of these gigantic stone structures may actually have been built by a primitive proto type device similar now to what they have discovered with these electromagnetic plates. Do you understand?

LIDA: May I ask a question? When there would be many of these types of devices wouldn’t it affect our health?

KRIS: If properly constructed it should not interfere because your own physical bodies have their own electromagnetic field.

LIDA: Yes but wouldn’t they be affected?

KRIS: If they are properly constructed they should not. Certain grounding measures can be built into them and we are certain that they will discover this as they already have with the trains. Otherwise the electromagnetic fields of the bodies of the passengers would be adversely affected. It is a matter of properly grounding the devices. Do you follow?

And these things are far less dangerous than the modern electrical towers that cause undo problems. Do you understand?

MARK: I do. Yes.

LIDA: I don’t.

MARK: You know the big hydro lines that run through a lot of neighborhoods? They are starting to discover that people who live near them are developing cancers and other illnesses. They are harmful!

LIDA: Yes. That was actually the basis for my question.

KRIS: Indeed as such further refinements of that science, if they venture into it has the potential to actually replace the modern ways of piping electrical currents into houses, eventually eliminating the need to wire a house per say which in itself has not changed much in a hundred and fifty years. Do you understand that?

MARK: Yes. Would that method be a lot cheaper or free?

KRIS: I doubt that your Utility Barons would ever allow something for FREE but its productions once properly established and discovered will make it reasonably more affordable AND will eliminate the need to drain many of the Earth’s resources including fossil fuels but this is not going to happen tomorrow.

MARK: Ahhh!

LIDA: I was just going to ask if it was going to happen in our lifetime.

MARK: I suddenly got a picture in my mind of a new grid using this new theory but would it allow anybody to tap into it anywhere, such as an automobile even or other types of devices where ever you?

KRIS: It would require quite literally a deep change in the way consumers consume their goods in this specific respect. It would also require a change of attitude in terms of how people use the resources available to them. This can produce something quite magnificent but it would require changing your society’s views from its present wasteful state to one of properly utilizing the resources available so that all of life may benefit from it. Does that make sense?

LIDA: Are we slowly starting this process in our society?

KRIS: Indeed. There is still an unwillingness to properly use the present resources at your disposal, where waste of resources is an enormous problem. Thus the manufacturing of goods will have to be reviewed and revised. The consumption of these goods would also have to be revised. Individuals would have to and develop different and very conscientious perception of what they use and how they use the resources available to them.

Whilst you have North American consumption to such a high degree with such a high degree of waste, there are entire nations in other parts of the world who have barely enough resources to grow a handful of foodstuffs on daily basis. Do you understand?

So there is an imbalance in the production and the consumption of goods whether it is food or otherwise. This electromagnetic potential could see redistribution in an equalitarian manner where all are treated equally, even more so than now. Your Charters in North America like to state that all are born equal and yet your lifestyles indicate that you are not congruent with your philosophical truths. Correct?

MARK and LIDA: Oh yes very true.

KRIS: And at the same time many in your North American western society profess a great need to help others and again there is an in congruency here, for your governments can easily waste hundreds of millions and billions of dollars on some frivolities and neglect the poor and the starving in their own back yard, acting as if there are no such conditions. Do you follow?

That is part of the previous conversation on the ‘Shift of Consciousness’ where eventually the incongruities will be made very visible and very clear and will be unavoidable or undeniable. Everyone eventually will be accountable for their use of resources of the Earth, the use of their thoughts and their energies, if not in this lifetime then in another.

Not because there is a cosmic committee set up to judge and inquire but your OWN self requires that you understand how you create your own reality, and when you disengage yourself from the process reality is then created for you by default. In other words you become a victim or at least you believe that you are a victim of events and circumstances because you have denied the truth that you are still the master of your fate. Do you follow?

So there is much potential to develop these electromagnetic possibilities and there are several probabilities where this has gone further than in this reality. Experimentations are being done on other levels of reality that may eventually flow into this one where it may even be developed differently but in line with the consciousness development potentials of your civilizations in this field of events. Does this make sense?

When we use the term ‘field of events’ it is the outer field of events in your physical terms, in this reality and there is the inner field of events where these realities are actually connected. There are gateways, bleed-throughs occur and knowledge that is developed in another probability does come through and inspire individuals here as individuals here inspire others in another place and so on and so forth. Because there are no closed systems there are exchanges being done, experiments tried out, potentials looked into and when there is a sufficient momentums in your reality then the breakthroughs come about.

Men and women make discoveries. Not because it did not exist but because they see it for the first time and there is a difference much like those optical illusion pictures. You may see the profile of an old hag and by changing your focus you see something entirely different. Does it mean that it was never there? Indeed not. You just did not see it.

Thus there are bleed-throughs from all levels of reality and all probabilities on your planet. Sometimes these bleed-throughs manifest themselves as the remnants of an ancient culture or civilization or of creatures or at least their remnants. Because your Paleontologists are so obsessed with finding the missing link they will seek until they themselves become the missing link, because even events from your future may leave imprints and objects into your past.

Artifacts may actually come from a probable reality, a probable future or even a totally different type of past and who knows what is discovered from your time and your plane of existence into the past and the futures or even the presents of other realities altogether. What are the paleontologists of another dimension discovering, where your planet is, in terms of their dimensions? Do you understand?

LIDA: Vaguely.

KRIS: In the same time and place there could be several dimensions. Thus in another dimension that occupies the same space in the time continuum but may exist in a different time zone they may be discovering in their past that things that may be future in a thousand years from now. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Why is it always pottery?

KRIS: It is cheap to make. There are other artifacts, other types of things that go unnoticed.

MARK: Because we aren’t ready to see them…

KRIS: And because your societies do not believe that there could be anything else even though it is right there.

MARK: Just like pyramids.

KRIS: Indeed. Now take a break.

8:10 PM

Mark’s Notes: Kris just gave us a crash course in the mechanics of the new and evolving science of ‘Quantum Temporal Science’.

During this short break, I believe that I made a comment something to the effect of remembering Kris telling us how the Ancient Egyptians used sound to move the blocks into place on the great pyramids.

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8:13 PM Break Ends

KRIS: Now one of the aspects of this electromagnetic field is the creation of specific sound waves which are generated by the field. This has yet to be discovered and understood properly. The key will lie in the expansion of this type of science. This is what many of the ancient cultures had already discovered. The creation of very specific sound waves, some of which could be created by the human body and the mind whilst others can be created through the use of implements, instruments. We are not talking about musical instruments here.

But if a closer study of these electromagnetic properties is done then very specific type of sound field is generated and this is what they will focus upon. As to its potential development, the determining factor in your civilization is the practical application of this type of science.

So the scientific community is more or less responsible in a certain way. There are already very many different inventions that could have served Utilitarian and Utopian purposes, altruistic that have disappeared. But there are some that will make their way into the social context.

Years ago there was the possibility of creating devices and vehicles that ran quite specifically on combining the energy released from water molecules and electrical properties together but these things were quietly removed from the scene. Altogether this means that the collective decisions will take precedence. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes. I think the rights to all these technologies were purchased by the oil companies to protect themselves.

KRIS: To a great degree but at the same time they did not act without the approval of the collective unconscious. Certain collective experiments will be ventured into and others will not. Those that are not ventured into by your specific reality may in fact be ventured into by another probability where there definitely are worlds that are powered by solar energy vastly different from the prototypes that you now have on your planet. We believe that we give Joseph some indications of this last summer.

MARK: That is with the spheres, the solar spheres.

KRIS: Indeed. This was a bleed through from another probability that still has somewhere the possibility to be explored in your reality since solar energy panels are still being used here. These are an evolved version <(?) not sure of exact word>. Do you understand?

So there are many such inventions, discoveries that may disappear because it may not quite be in line with the collective reality and its purpose. Do you follow?

So they fall off to the way side so to speak, by the side of the road but they do not become extinguished, they follow in other probabilities. Your probability is one where the use of fossil fuels became preeminent. In other probabilities there have been some small attempts to develop these refineries and so on but their collective made an understanding that other means would be more practical for their purposes therefore fossil fuels were never ventured into. Do you follow?

Each discovery not ventured into in your reality does not die. It flourishes somewhere else. In other probabilities those that fall by the way side may flourish here or other places as do your ideas. The choices you make and the choices that you do not make are equally as valid but your conscious focus once an idea is dropped off from the self so to speak, once it is dropped off into the precipice of the unknown it is no longer focused upon. Do you understand?

This includes the choices that you make in your daily lives. They, these thoughts, these ideas, these choices acted upon or not do not die or disappear simply because they have left the field of your thoughts.

For instance when you are in the theatre and you see on stage the scene illuminated by one or more spot lights. Does it mean that anything beyond the field of that light is suddenly non-existent? Of course not!

You do have an understanding that props are being brought in, things are happening behind stage, so many other activities but they are not focused upon because you are concentrating upon where the light is. Do you follow?

That beam of concentration where the light is, that is what you call consciousness. It is what you are focused upon at this moment.

So there are many activities that you did not choose, many actions which you did not take through out the course of your lives. Does the self that you are presently become less because it did not choose that action or did not follow that path or act upon that impulse or that decision? Indeed not, because there is an underlying understanding from yourself that though you may not have turned left or turned right a part of yourself did. Does that make sense?

Indeed. Now enjoy another small break.

8:24 Pm Break Starts

Mark’s notes: During break Lida again comments that she hopes that Kris will give us a meditation.

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8:30 PM Break Ends

KRIS: Therefore our previous brief excursion into probable selves of which you are one for as much as you would like to think that all of the other probable selves are merely probables, you are no different. You are a probable manifestation, expression, embodiment of the source self as all of the others are. Now this should also indicate to you that you have far more potentials or resources at your psychic, psychological finger tips than you can shake a finger at that you can tap into some of these probabilities or probable developments and do so in a practical manner than can indeed enrich your own line of development. It should also make you pause and ponder upon the very nature of selfhood that much more. Do you follow?

Now perhaps as we have heard through the grapevine that you wish a meditation but instead of a meditation we will describe an exercise that you can do on your own which will provide you many more benefits.

The idea is to either find a picture or a small object from many years back. Say a picture or an item from when you were twenty or thirty if such exists and with the picture or the object in your hand, try to bring back the memory of the time when you received the object or the picture was taken, preferably a picture of yourself. Focusing upon the picture or the object, either with your eyes closed or opened allow your inner stage, that place within you where your imagination has full range, that screen within the mind’s eye.

Focus upon that mental stage remembering the time, the moment, the impressions, the feelings, the memories, the surrounding events, the conditions around the time that you received the object or the picture was taken and allow yourselves to flow back and into a direction that you did not take at that time.

As an example let us say that the picture is from a birthday party when you were twenty. Holding that picture you would remember some of the people at your party, the gifts, the cake, the music, the fun, the environment, was it at your house, a friend’s house, who was there and who was not there and with that in mind what possible decisions were you pondering. Perhaps you had thought to speak with one particular person that you may have been drawn to speak with but instead you chose to speak with another person and from that moment on your present life went on.

But, what would have happened had you instead gone with your first impression, not spoken with person number two that you ended up speaking with but instead you went with the one that you were originally drawn to speak with and allow your imagination to lead you into the probable development.

What impacts, impressions, changes could have made to your life had you gone in that direction first? How differently, if there are any differences have come to your life through that stream of consciousness? Did this opportunity introduce you to yet other people, new friends, other friends, new acquaintances? Did this lead to perhaps a different job, a school, a move? How did those potential influences affect that stream of consciousness? And how does that make you feel today in your perspective?

Try and venture in that direction for perhaps ten minutes then bring yourself back. If you can make some notes. How does it affect you today? Do you discover that through such an exercise and adventure that somehow some of your thoughts may be ever so slightly different than the mood that you usually engage in?

A tide of new feelings may come out of this. Do you think that this may potentially change the person that you are in this here and now and at the same time do you perceive that the other individual with whom you are in that stream of consciousness with may have an inkling that its dreams or its impulses, its feelings may somehow or other be somewhat altered from your excursion into that stream of consciousness? Do you follow?

LIDA: By going through this exercise are you reaching to that person?

KRIS: Not so as much as reaching but as to simply observing your reaction. How would this now, perhaps ever so slightly enrich who you are and without you making any effort in that direction, the other you may ever so slightly, ever so subtly feel a small change like you would feel a slightly different gentle breeze when a different weather front comes into the neighborhood.

Or perhaps the sweet scent of lilacs that is carried upon a stream of air different from the general air in the neighborhood. Do you follow?

So there is no need to intrude upon the other individual that you are and you will not need to feel intruded upon. But these kinds of exercises can certainly let you understand that there are other lines of consciousness that exist parallel to your development in line with consciousness and this can have a profound impact into the understanding of selfhood itself and the potentials and the resources available to you. Do you follow?

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:42

KRIS: Indeed. Do you have another question?

Mark and Lida shake their heads NO.

KRIS: Now we believe that there was an original question for instance.

MARK: If you are referring to Kris slash Krishna, Serge was telling me that at least four other people have made reference to upon reading your name or hearing your name and cross referencing it with KRISHNA. Maybe you could expand upon that a little.

Mark’s notes: This question was mentioned early in the evening prior to the session beginning but I decided not to ask it because it seemed a little over the top. To me it was just a similar name with a similar spelling.

KRIS: Now it is quite flattering to be considered up there with a Hindu God. Unfortunately we do not have so many arms, , nor do we actually have a need for them. However, we understand the question and we are not necessarily affiliated with any such religious foundations. But there is an interesting correlation in that the original seeds for such an ancient culture, which stems directly from the ancient Rama Civilization and its predecessors which are even more ancient still,
, actually stem from our own source self, the one where we are explaining to you where all three of had similar source. Do you recall?

The civilizations of the self sometimes are mirrored in the development of certain civilizations in physical reality. Do you understand that?

So that means that the physical development of a civilization has a source in the unofficial lines of consciousness, in other areas or levels of reality.

This was an ancient experiment by some ancient sources, here very much before the conceptualization of time as you understand it, that eventually showed up in a physical counterpart manner in flesh and blood terms as the remnants of those cultures or civilizations of the self appear. Do you follow?

MARK: I think so.

KRIS: How do you not think so?

MARK: So if a civilization has a single source or well…(stopped myself in mid sentence. I realized that the word singular was incorrect).

KRIS: Usually there are not a singular but group efforts. When these source selves come together one of the natural bi-products is an off shoots of all source-civilizations of selfhood, experiments purely into consciousness, even into the creation of worlds and realities and of course if worlds and realities are created, even down to its physical manifestation as you understand it, down this line then of course sufficient energy exists to populate, give life to the physical entities themselves.

And this happens without effort. It is the natural bi-product just like for your selves as a civilization the natural bi-product of being human is the creation of civilizations one on top of the other.

That is what you build, civilizations. You are architects of civilizations but where do you get this potential? Where does this come from? It comes from the source itself. It creates civilizations of selves, which end up being the individuals that you are and you yourselves create civilizations. You can not help it. Your instinctive nature, like the bees instinctive nature is to create honey and bees wax or the beaver to chew logs and create dams.

MARK: Yes. So this ancient Rama culture and more ancient cultures, what are their relationships to Krishna? Would that be the era in which they created that particular character?

KRIS: Indeed not. The individual that eventually became a god simply was a ruler of that, or ruler of one of the ancient cities in that civilization. There is so much more that can be gone into here but it is extremely complex because it is so ancient and people have forgotten how gods and goddesses are made, how they are constructed, they are architected if such a word can be invented, or architectured.

Just like you have engineers who can bring bridges and buildings together there are engineers of deities. So with that we will leave your pondering minds to ponder some more and play with the exercise that we have given you and do enjoy your week.

LIDA and MARK: Thank you.

8:51 PM Session Ends (Supposedly)

Lida comments on ‘Why is Kris drawn to us?’, ‘What are his interests in us?’.

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8:52 Quick Return

KRIS: Now what would make you think that this is our only interest? It is one of our many attractions.

LIDA: But it is one of them.

KRIS: Indeed but we have many others, some that we do not discuss. This is one that gives us a great deal of pleasure to be able to nudge you into remembering more of whom and what you are, to see and to understand what you go through when the realizations come upon you, when you discover that much more about yourselves, that we may have somehow or other been instrumental in the discoveries that YOU make. Therefore we act as a catalyst urging you on to remember those talents and abilities that are within you and that ARE you.

In a way this is not to be taken literally but in a manner of speaking we are like your own archeologists and paleontologists uncovering the past. Also like your historians discovering the past. Do you understand?

LIDA: Yes, past and future.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I am reminded of Star Trek: Enterprise where crewman Daniels and people from the far future actually come back to experience the past by being casual observers.

KRIS: Now we are more than casual observers but it is none the less also one of the things that we do. With that we leave you to uncover your own existence for it is there before your very eyes and do have a pleasant evening.

8:55 PM Session Ends

MARK: And I also want to make a notation on the tape that Kris responded to Lida’s and my conversation in here despite the fact that Serge was out of the room giving the dog water and not listening to what we said and yet Kris was able to pick up that conversation.

Shift of Consciousness

May 17, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday, May 17, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

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Roll Call: Andrea, Lida and Mark

7:35 PM Session Begins

KRIS: Now perhaps a small suggestion for when it is hot. Instead of focusing and complaining about how hot it is and how unbearable the heat is and how it is causing you distress, you could instead use suggestions to help modify your physiological temperature levels so that the body itself acts as a cooling mechanism, that you enjoy the effects of the cooling, shifting your focus away from complaining to actually helping the body enjoy coolness. That would make it far more tolerable and the heat will seem much less repressive because you do understand of course that you get what you concentrate upon. There is no getting around those few simple words. You do not concentrate upon what you get but you get what you concentrate upon. That will help your body support tolerate heat much more easily.

MARK: That also explains the Yo-Yo weather from one extreme to the other. People complain that it’s to cold and they focus upon that then the get too hot and they focus upon that.

KRIS: People always complain about one thing or another.

Now, at the same time we also suggest for example that when you make some reference to some things that were said or discussed, that you ask for clarification instead of presenting some summary or idea of what you think was discussed. That will make your stance much quicker to understand. Do you follow?

MARK: Okay, so we are looking for clarification on ‘The Shift in Consciousness’ that Elias and Seth as well as yourself have talked about, as well as the clans, the interaction of the clans and the so called analogy of a wedding. Does that make sense to you?

KRIS: Now this shift or change has already begun and it moves ever so steadily forward because it is part of the cyclical exchanges of consciousness at all levels of life. It includes a necessary change of focus which entails a change of beliefs at the individual and the mass level and of course it is not something that is being imposed upon any individual or any collection of individuals but rather that it is invited because singular individuals and collections of individuals may unconsciously recognize the necessary ebbs and tides of change and transformation as a necessary balancing act at the levels that are brought forth by these deeper seasons of the soul.

It affects you as physical personalities very differently than it affects you at the level of your higher self or essence though at both levels there are necessary adjustments, small recalibrations, delegated refinements at almost all levels of self including ego and physical and psychological. As your societies and civilizations go through this ‘shifting in consciousness’, more and more individuals will have a certain awareness, a development of awareness that indicates to them that “all is not what it seems with the world”. All is not white picket fences, a car in the driveway, a house with a wife and 1.5 children and a dog.

People are beginning to recognize that something is occurring at the very core or essence of their lives that gives a different experience of reality than the one that they have been taught. Life is not all about waking up in the morning, going to work, coming home with a paycheck, paying the mortgage, sending the kids to college and dying.

Life’s adventures and cycles extend far beyond the reaches of your imagination and you do not see that because you have accepted to put boundaries and fortress like walls, your own Berlin Wall around yourselves serving a dual purpose keeping the true nature of reality outside of the walls and keeping your limited false ideas of reality within the walls.

Now somehow or other, your Berlin like wall of consciousness is coming down and cracks are appearing. Small holes are appearing in the wall and glimpses, flashes of a much larger reality are starting to show through. As we had suggested last week with Daal and the week before there is an official line of consciousness and an unofficial line of consciousness and the official line of consciousness can only blind you to the unofficial line of consciousness for so long, until eventually its defenses wear down, that it may no longer shield you from the true scope of the reality that is your true environment, that is your natural state of being.

So individuals all over the world are having “experiences” (short pause) in quotation marks. They are having these “experiences” because they are natural to the individual. It is a superior type of instinctual behavior to be drawn towards the unofficial line of consciousness.

Imagine, if you will be so kind, that you are a beaver and that somehow or other someone is teaching you that to gnaw at and chew small saplings and small trees, branches is actually unnatural. That to dive under the water is unbecoming. That to create dams is against the order of things and to make beavers huts is taboo. To slap your tail upon the water is unacceptable behavior. To clean your fur is a disgusting habit best abandoned and yet your beaver-like instincts ARE to do those things.

Imagine then the inner conflict of such a creature that is drawn to do those very things that are supposedly to be abandoned. What kind of dilemma would you be creating within yourselves? What inner turmoil and battles must you engage in to fight your own deepest instincts because you have been told that it is bad to do so and yet you can not help yourself from doing these things because these are the things that come naturally to the beaver? Do you understand?

Now in order to try and maintain the official line of consciousness, your social structures (and) your religions all try to teach you and to instill within you a certain type of psychological safeguard, a net, a fence, the Berlin Wall of consciousness that keeps you from acting upon your own deepest most sacred and impulsive, instinctual urges. It said then that if you engage in but one of these things then obviously the whole of society and the social structure and organization is going to Hell in a hand basket!

That is instilling an artificial set of guilt upon the whole trip and yet that is exactly what you have done. But of course eventually, there is no denying your own instinctual behavior to experience consciousness, to experience life in Joy to its fullest extent within your given capacity. In order to do that then the whole of society must change even if ever so slowly so that those behaviors that are instinctive to your species can be exercised and practiced and enjoyed with great loving abandon so that you can remember your own spiritual and psychological roots and that you know without any doubt that though you have a physical body and a physical form or an expression it is not the only one that you have. You have other bodies, you have other experiences, you have other times that you play in and you have whole universes to discover and in which to discover your creativity.

So the shift in consciousness brings about social structural change, changes at the level of your entire civilization so that more and more of your true experiences and nature can express themselves. Your societies and civilizations will accommodate who and what you are when you are ready to admit to that. Do you follow?

It stands to reason then that such changes have nothing to do with revolutions as you have known them in the past, with any form of bloodshed in and of itself. How your nations and leaders choose is a different matter altogether and it does not prevent the changes of consciousness. Still everyone must play his or her role and create his or her reality in which to play those roles for you are not the only ones participating in this change.

You are being observed by countless other individualities and essences because they too know that in their own ways they too also engage in the transformations of consciousness in or within their own cycles and these experimentations of collective consciousness are not chosen hap-hazardly but very carefully and the integrity of each and every one particle of consciousness is measured and weighed for it is truly a grand cooperative adventure of a scope unimaginable to you. Do you follow?

It does not mean that everything will always turn out to be rosy though sometimes it will, yet other times there may be some different kinds of struggles but those struggles exist because there are still balances to be worked out.

So that is why we presented in part the material on The Nine Sisters as additional resources that can be tapped into because it is of your own making. It does not mean, as well that the moment the years 2075 to 2080 are over that everything is accomplished though most will but it stretches into other realities that are involved with your own, there are other probabilities that still continue to shape the events and circumstances of your lives, individually and collectively will continue the transformations. Do you have questions?

Then we will take a small break.

8:00 PM Break Starts

Mark’s Notes: During this VERY short break Lida comments on how this pendulum, how these cycles are not regulated. For instance our physical seasons change on very specific dates whereas these Seasons of Consciousness change when they are ready.

Mark comments on how we as physical beings are striving for a kind of Utopian society but from an essence perspective we are just looking for new adventures in consciousness. Even if we did create a Utopian society it too would come to the end of its cycle otherwise we would become bored within it.

8:01 PM Kris makes a quick come back.

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KRIS: Do keep in mind that change is not to create one giant ‘Cheers’ bar. It is meant to allow the fuller and not the fullest extent of, but a fuller representation of your lives in being congruent with your inner nature where you can dispense with your fears of hiding behind psychological masks and false pretences about yourselves, where your abilities need no longer be considered freakish or weird, where consolidations of energies within your own person are no longer suspect or reason to believe that you have flipped your lids.

Instead these abilities within your consciousness can easily be expressed without you constantly shutting the door upon your own selves. There are subtly many other descriptives to be given but you at least get the general picture that you are indeed headed for a prolonged period of labor where the birthing process of a new understanding of reality is to become the norm. Does that make sense?

At the same time indeed it will not give you the Hollywood Utopian society but it will represent a refinement in your collective creative abilities. It is easier to remember your origins in terms of consciousness but it is easier for you to understand that the nature of yourself is not limited to the ego’s perceptions of whom and what it thinks it is, that it has a foundation, a vast network of inner selves of which it is an expression, valid, assenting and validated and valid but it is not the only expression of the self that you are and have. That is only the beginning.

That is why these last few months we have been trying to develop this body of information about the nature of selfhood, about the much vaster extent of networks of inner selves that leads to the families of consciousness that they themselves are connected to vaster and greater resources called clans or clusters of consciousness. Beyond that there are still other things.

VAST and the word vast does it no justice but VAST interlinked networks of consciousnesses that are slightly, almost impossible to describe in your terms. Such vast networks that you might not be able to stretch the boundaries of the imagination sufficiently to accommodate even a trickle of perception at that specific level, of psychological structures so magnificently grand and vast and extensive that even to try and describe it as vast as many universes together is still falling far short of even coming close to giving an adequate expression.

Yet we are hoping that through our humble descriptions so far that it can at least lead you to search, to inquire, to become curious, to catch the scent of something else that leads you to want to explore more and more the reality of consciousness beyond the white picket fence of your imagination.

Take for instance, your scientists and astronomer’s fascination with black holes and this apparently very large black hole in that galaxy that they call M85, correct? They think that black holes, especially this one are nothing more than meat grinders of galactic proportions that suck in matter and de-molecularize it to such a degree that particles must be ejected without realizing what they are looking at. They think matter is being sucked into a type of cosmic vacuum cleaner. Of course the questions is “Is it a Hoover or not”?

But indeed it is not so much as matter is being sucked into it as much as these black holes represent very specific points of transformation of energy from one state to another and yes a type of matter energy is drawn to that pivot and what appears to be ejected from it is the transformed energy from one state to another and black holes are what appear on this side of this dimension.

They appear as white holes elsewhere, in another time. They are points of exchanges. There are no closed systems. These are specific bridges, connections to other dimension and not all black holes have a white hole in the same dimension. Does that make sense to you?

Sometimes some forms of consciousness enter the white holes and are necessarily (pause while thinking), we would have to use an inadequate word, sometimes these consciousnesses or energies are morphed in a manner that suits the basic psychic structure of your dimension and appear to you as something different than what they are. Does that also make sense?

Again, not unlike the trout in the stream sees the fisherman’s boot in a manner quite different than the fisherman sees his own boot in the water. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Question. So a white hole isn’t necessarily a point of exit and the black hole a point of entry in the transformation or exchange?

KRIS: They are points of exchange. This works both ways. Energy from the black hole can go into its twin white hole and energy from the white hole will also work in reverse but not all black holes have white holes in exactly the same place where the other white holes are. Do you understand?

MARK: Are you saying that ‘A’ black hole, let’s label it as ‘A’, has a point or white hole ‘B’ that isn’t necessarily in same dimension as ‘A’. It can change dimensions.

KRIS: Indeed and black hole ‘C’ with white hole ‘D’ will not be in the same dimension as white hole ‘B’.

MARK: Right. I understood that, of course because only two dimensions would be feeding.

Mark’s notes: If all black holes were in dimension ‘A’ and all white holes in dimension ‘B’ there would not be any exchanges amongst all other dimensions. Therefore it stands to reason that all dimensions have black holes and white holes.

KRIS: This is somewhat complex and it is not a domain that astronomy immediately understands nor is it a domain that astrophysics quite understands but are nearer to understanding.

Consider for instance your own physical forms. They operate not much unlike a black hole. One type of energy matter goes in, it is transformed and another type of energy matter comes out. Does that make some sense?

Do you have questions?

MARK: White holes. Obviously there are white holes in my dimension; our dimension….my question is that they are obviously not the grandiose things that would appear as say a black hole does in our dimension.

LIDA: How come we don’t see them?

KRIS: They have not been thought of yet.

MARK: Therefore they don’t appear yet.

KRIS: Indeed and we have mentioned many years ago, there is something else that we call ‘No Holes’. It is more difficult to elaborate upon but there are types of bridges or gateways through various dimensional systems and networks of dimensions. That can not yet appear on your astronomers’ instruments because they are convinced that such things cannot yet exist, to their eyes the galaxy and the universe is nothing more than those clear glass balls that you shake. Do you understand?

We have also many years into the past described where your universe is of course is not as uniform as it is thought of at this time. There are definite valleys, folds, even pools that collect and transform different types of energy into your universe. Your astronomical instruments do not register them because they are not yet expected but eventually again certain anomalies will start to be perceived by the astronomers. Astrophysicists will start to question and to deduce certain things by what they see so far. They will recognize that it is not as it appears.

There are other things happening and what they are not, any of them (physicists, scientists and astronomers), counting on yet is the discovery that the Universe itself is its own type of sentience. But to the modern scientific mind they have not yet realized that the Universe and many of the galaxies actually behave much like living things. It is an unfortunate thing that your scientists have labeled matter as living and non-living in the way in which they do, for they would have surmised a long time ago that if within the Universe stars systems and entire galaxies are born, others seem to die, then there is out of necessity a transformation of energy and transformations of energies at that level should indicate that there is a certain degree of sentience. Do you understand?

But mankind in some ways is till young and is still arrogant and that may change over time to a mindset that is more mature.

Now we will take a small break.

8:22 PM Break Starts

Mark’s Notes: During break Mark and Lida talk about black holes. Mark is trying to remember Stephen Hawking’s descriptions of black holes. Mark says something to the effect of “Black holes are believed to separate matter and anti-matter. Matter is drawn in and anti-matter is believed to escape.

8:27 Kris makes another come back.

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KRIS: The scientific label of anti-matter is a misnomer. It exists solely at the theoretical scientific level but it does not exist within the world of reality. ALL of matter, all that is perceived by all the various kinds of physical senses, of all the creatures and the beings and the life forms and all of the dimensions everywhere at any given one time is an interpretation of assembled particles of consciousness or quantum particles. There is only truly one type of energy and it is a living sentient psychological force, perhaps in many ways not different than the true nature of yourselves.

It does not matter to it that you label it anti-matter, red quarks, anti-quasar, positive or negative zeniths and so on and so forth. It matters little. It knows what it is and you continue to give it various interpretations, various labels and until you realize that it is pure and living energy you will continue to find that it has different properties, that you interpret its nature by its properties instead.

But if instead you studied the source you could dispense with many strange and bizarre theories about reality. You would recognize that you simply create different interpretations of the one reality. Indeed it could also be said that the vast depths of space and time are way through which you look at the far reaches of your own self and this is how you also interpret yourself through your properties but you have forgotten the source of your properties and this is not to say that this is a bad thing. But if you continue as a society and as a civilization and a so called scientific body to deny the reality that exists behind the form that you keep giving it, then you will continue to fool yourselves. That is part of the game.

There are so many other things, other avenues of discoveries within those domains and your sciences may eventually stumble upon the key. That being that consciousness exists before the form and that consciousness is not the result of form or matter and that indeed matter is a property of consciousness and your bodies are a property of your consciousness, yourself!

Physical reality, to the very boundaries of your imagination is a property of yourself, only one of them and with this knowledge and with this information you have the good fortune to temporarily suspend your disbeliefs along those lines and actually, momentarily sense the greater reality of your being in all directions in all places in all times and actually straddling all realities and from which all of these realities naturally instinctively take their form and shape and become what they are because they are properties of your consciousness; that byproduct of whom and what you are, your thoughts, your convictions, your emotions, your feelings and so on and so forth.

So indeed this is something deep to ponder upon. Is it not? Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:35 PM

KRIS: Do you have questions?

KRIS: Indeed. You have on this piece of paper (referencing something that Serge typed up) the families of consciousness and the clusters, do you not? So we still have to explore briefly the 2nd and the 1st clusters. Is that correct?

Mark’s Notes: The notes that Serge typed up was originally on the coffee table but shortly before going into trance Serge moved it to the other room so Mark’s answer was a guess.

MARK: That is correct.

KRIS: And then from the 7th on. Is that correct?

MARK: That is correct. (shrugging shoulders to Andrea and Lida)

KRIS: This second cluster we will call DANNTANAMU (dan-tan-ah-moo). You can spell that any way you like.

MARK: Dontonamo?

KRIS: Danntanamu. (Kris then spells it for us) Correct? And again do remember that we are only numbering and naming them for sake of references, some of their true appellations have nothing to do with what we have given them because they do not hold such. Do you understand?

Now the Danntanamu hold approximately one hundred thousand different families. You have here assembled vast amounts of intent, a veritable sea literally foaming with intent, drive and desire for the creation of such things as are unheard of. Though all things exist simultaneously, this particular cluster contains organizations of families that are extremely ancient for the sake of the word and they engage not necessarily in the creation of different types of matter or reality but in the foundational elements of dimensions that are very removed from your ideas of what is and is not.

What can be imagined and what cannot be imagined are some of the things that make this cluster interesting. They are also (pause) we would have to say inviting to other families and members of other clusters as a means of exploring truly abstract, even for consciousnesses and essences, abstractism that can prove highly creative sources that are then brought back to the other clusters as additional influxes of energy. Do you follow?

The first cluster operates somewhat differently. It has as such NO specific numbers of families but it does hold a specific core of families.

MARK: Core? (Wanting to clarify the word so as to get it right in the transcript)

KRIS: Indeed. This core may always be of three to five families in its own right and at times it may have fifty and at times it may have hundreds, always changing.

(Long pause to think)

This one (we) may call NEBU. You may spell N.E.B.U. WE do not know all of the activities and intents of these clusters. We are giving you the best of the perceptions available to us at this time, sufficient to give you an inkling of a structured, organized nature of consciousness itself in a way that defies your chaotic views of the Universe and of consciousness. And it is not to imply that is hierarchical for it is not but it does have an architecture.

MARK: And a sentience.

KRIS: ALWAYS. Now we believe at this time that we will end the evening if you have no further questions.

Everyone shakes their heads NO.

Indeed then do enjoy this coming week and very specifically consider yourself as the source of the reality that you experience. Agreed?

AGREED.

Then ENJOY!

8:44 PM Session Ends

Session with Daalmaatian from NWV: (Perceptions and Source Selves)

May 10, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Daalmatian
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Monday May 10, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Start 7:43pm

Participants: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip) and Daal aka Daalmaation

KRIS: Now we are glad that you have taken some time from your busy schedule and have presented yourself here, whether you have brought all of your spots or not [Kris is making reference to a joke before the session by Serge that Daalmaation did not bring his ‘spots’ - and that Serge and Mark have a 10 year old female Dalmatian named Sarah] We are thankful for your discussions on the board. They have proven very insightful. Now will you be so kind as to allow any questions that you may have apart from winning the lottery tickets. [1:04].

DAAL: So you are waiting for questions?

KRIS: If you please.

DAAL: Ok. I prepared a list. OK, number one, do you have a mission or a defined purpose in making yourself available in this manner in broad general terms?

KRIS: Indeed. You are not in the mood for another eleven page soliloquy? [A reference to questions posed by Daalmaation over the internet several days earlier that lead to an eleven page response by Serge.]

DAAL: How about twenty-five words or less?

KRIS: Our primary exchange is with Joseph and Philip, Philip serving as the catalyst. Even though we have exchanged with Joseph for many years now, this has opened up a whole new chapter.

Our secondary focus is the sharing of the exchange with others. That enables us to get away from any perceived savior-like complexes tagged onto us from others’ perspectives. And we mean that in a nice way. Thus our purpose through Joseph and through Philip is to exchange with as many other individuals as would care to take advantage of the material and thus grow into consciousness. That answer…that read to 30 words.

DAAL: But your primary purpose is the contact with Joseph and Philip? That is the primary purpose?

KRIS: That is our primary exchange.

DAAL: And you describe yourself as an entity separate from Philip and Joseph?

KRIS: Indeed. Joseph is Serge’s own entity or essence. Philip is Mark’s. And we evolved separately from these two but we have also long standing associations. And though we have evolved in our own sense, we stem from a similar source that has on its own, and separately evolved.

DAAL: Are you saying that you are all fragments of a former or previous — I am trying to take into account this simultaneous time thing. Are you saying that the three of you, the three essences involved, are from the same source? You used the word similar. Did you mean same or similar.

KRIS: Similar.

DAAL: So it is not one source but several similar…three similar sources?

KRIS: Indeed. That may apparently complicated the issues, but nonetheless, all of us do not necessarily come from the same embryo or embryonic entity. There are still differences of association and similarities of association that function in the manner of dispersed essence used (described) by Elias.

DAAL: OK

KRIS: That would probably make more sense to you. Does it not?

DAAL: I am not that familiar with that aspect of the Elias material. I have heard of the term but…

KRIS: Suffice it to say that we may all be apples as opposed to oranges. But we are simply different apples even though all apples may have a common source.

DAAL: OK. Can I ask further questions?

KRIS: Indeed, please do. Consider this your evening and do not forget to have fun.

DAALL: HA HA HA…right…of course. OK, so Kris is an essence name or an entity name?

KRIS: Kris would be what you can call us but our name collectively is…it would not be pronounceable. You do not have sufficient inflections and intonations and syntactical configurations to pronounce what we are.

DAAL: So it is pronounceable? I mean in the sense that…

KRIS: Not in your human terms.

DAAL: I guess what I am really asking is, “Is it significant?” Is the sound…is the name Kris or Joseph or Philip…

KRIS: They provide a specific point of reference and focus.

DAAL: Is it symbolic as opposed to reflecting…

KRIS: Perhaps both. It enables an individual to at least understand the creation of a specific psychological bridge and that action is more significant than the name or any name in itself. It will ring into specific tones. It will bring your conscious and unconscious faculties to ring to tone and therefore bring you a certain “flavor” that you would not otherwise acquire.

DAAL: When you talk about tones are you talking about something that I literally hear?

KRIS: Not with your ear but with your inner senses, so it would activate specific areas of inner senses that would bring you into a psychological proximity to this other body of life that would be your essence…

DAAL: …that you primarily define in terms of energy? When you talk about an entity are you talking about something physical? I don’t think you are, are you?

KRIS: Indeed not. But entities are those that compose and orchestrate the consciousness you then perceive as physical matter-reality through the auspices of your physical senses. In other words, you yourself are also entity or essence though your ego perception is the focal point in time and space for that essence-self to interact with others.

DAAL: Does Kris have a Serge just as Joseph has a Serge? I don’t mean one and the same but I mean, in other words, do you have — I don’t know what your term is but I would use the word…I will use Elias’s term, focus. Do you have focuses in this dimension currently…in my understanding of time?

KRIS: The only individuality through which we focus a portion of our energy is Joseph, then Serge. As such, we have no other focuses…life…in the terms you understand physical reality to be.

DAAL: Have you ever had?

KRIS: Indeed we have had with Joseph’s own focuses, with Philip’s own focuses. We interacted together in grandiose manner. Often as an enjoyable experience but we have pulled away from them for now, interacting in the manner that we do now only.

DAAL: Are you saying that your experience in the dimension here that I know or that Mark knows has only been through the entity Joseph.

KRIS: Indeed not. This is one but at this time we do not have any others lingering about.

DAAL: But you have in my idea of past?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Some of which have been through Philip, which is me, and some of which have been even external to both of us where there is the three of us have been incarnated in the same lifetime as friends, family…

KRIS: We are not about to divulge all of our bedroom secrets.

DAAL: Certainly not.

KRIS: But we have had many other focuses. This one is the most conducive to our experiences in your reality at this point in your time. In other realities we may have focuses but they are nothing like what you would understand right now.

DAAL: Can I ask you what you are…in terms of this room, the three people sitting here…can you describe to me what you are perceiving?

KRIS: We can perceive both your level of perception and ours, though ours is quite different from yours. You perceive the room at one level through the auspices of those beautiful liars, the physical senses. They are sweet talkers. They convince you, for instance that this table, this cabinet, these walls are solid and you respond to that in adequate measure.

For instance you will not under any circumstance make a head run and crash into the cabinet or this stone table for you understand, through your physical senses, that your sensory body will certainly feel a certain amount of pain. Correct?

DAAL: Yes

KRIS: You also perceive the room and its contents as very specific configuration of energy and matter combined, at the level of the inner senses with your inner selves. Do understand that as well?

DAAL: I’m sorry. That’s the end of the comment?

KRIS: Indeed not. We were simply looking for your response at that moment.

So you perceive the room in two different ways. We can perceive both your perceptions. However, we still have a third perception where we see this interaction — this exchange — in none of the terms you are familiar with, either with your physical senses or your inner senses but strictly as a flow of intent which is a different type of energy altogether.

So to us, the exchanges occurring in this environment can be quite separate from any other exchanges in the universe you consider your home, where your body is beautifully parked. Our perceptions include all of your inner selves’ perceptions of this environment, of Philip’s multitudes of inner selves perceiving this environment and of Joseph’s inner selves perceiving this environment.

So that means that this room and its interactions are a literal kaleidoscope of energy exchanges at untold levels that stream off into a variety of time streams, of time-space continuums that would blow your fuses were you able to experience it directly through the conceptual senses or inner sense. Does that make some sense to you?

DAAL: Oh it definitely makes sense. Can you give an example of how you perceive this space right here in a manner that I can’t, but in my terms. For example, go back two hundred years, go forward three hundred or whatever.

KRIS: Several of your other selves or focuses presently are dreaming of an interaction with an individual they do not know but that leads them to ponder about some of the suspected psychological realities inherent in the dream states. They are marginally aware of large amounts of energy directing a certain kind of information towards them from various timeframes, whether it is a hundred and fifty years from now, two hundred years into the future or two thousand years into the past.

Right now, new personal mythologies are being invented through the auspices of their ego focuses. There are voices of the so-called dead. Some which may end up in the literature, the writings similar to the Egyptian Book of the Dead, conversations with the non-living in other ancient cultures.

You have for instance in Florida — southern Florida, [not Geritol City]. But this is an time period of approximately 700 years into the past. A group of individuals, ancient Viking travelers, sea farers that have come across the Atlantic down to the eastern seaboard of Canada, the United States, which was not known by those names at that time, traveled south to the Florida coast. And, being stranded established a small group and inter-married with natives from the area.

And there, one of your focuses is a shaman — interestingly enough, a female shaman — who is able to tap into your present perceptions and gives counsel to her small clan using this experience as a bridge to tap into knowledge and information not immediately available to her conscious self. Knowing the ways of the shaman, she is able to tap into your own information, things that you have read and understood from the Elias material, from the Seth material and even from this present conversation. Feeling that knowledge as wisdom, she can share, creating a bridge of knowledge. Does that make some sense to you?

DAAL: It makes sense as an assertion. I mean it…do I believe it? It makes sense. Do I believe it? That’s another matter.

KRIS: It is not something you can cut open with a scalpel.

DAAL: It is not something I can confirm in this timeframe.

KRIS: Indeed.

Please continue.

DAAL: Right in this room, how do you perceive…do you hear me in the sense that Serge would hear me when I ask a question, make a comment?

KRIS: Indeed. We have the full use of his sensory mechanisms.

DAAL: So you hear the words, just as Serge would hear the words?

KRIS: We hear them. We can sense them and we can also determine…perhaps determine is not the most appropriate word, but they allow insight. They are perceptions into your own inner selves which may be unknown to you. This does not mean that we are Peeping Toms of course, for our name is not Tom.

MARK: So that’s added perception is through Serge but you have other perceptions of…

KRIS: Joseph may not be aware of any of our perceptive mechanisms.

DAAL: You mentioned that you could perceive intent, if I understood correctly, that you can perceive my intent, right now?

KRIS: That may be very different from where you understand or use the word intent?

DAAL: Are you using it in a very narrow sense of…you know…what is my mind occupied with at this very moment in time or in a broader…

KRIS: In a much broader sense. Now if you, on the other hand, were dealing with a very specific and powerful life challenges then we would have to narrow the band of that observation.

DAAL: And you can do that?

KRIS: Indeed…only when needed. It is not something we use willy nilly…

DAAL: I understand.

KRIS: …but that we use when there is a specific need.

DAAL: OK. That’s helpful. I think that’s…

MARK: Is your primary focus as Kris in the TAAJ?

KRIS: We have suggested that not…that all systems are open. There are no closed systems.

MARK: Understood.

KRIS: Our main base of operation, simply because of what we do on those other levels our main base of operation is in the TAAJ, which we are not limited to that.

We have suggested as far back as 2001 that another flow of essences has entered your system, in other words, your TAAJ, from other clusters. We refer to it as the TARAA. We are familiar with it because we have some interactions with that grouping of essences which are extremely removed from any concerns with physical idea construction realities.

Netjer is, in its own way, a splinter of the TARAA So these are…you could say…alternate routes through and between various systems or clusters of families. Does that make some sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does. Thank you.

KRIS: These are primarily concerned with other types of energy manipulation though there is sufficient awarenesses on their part to extend a portion of their own awareness into your systems if such is directed to them. So we are involved in some of those processes.

These other groupings of essences may eventually determine for their own as possibilities in the term of future as you understand it, to become clusters themselves and to generate all the necessary paraphernalia to engender their own families of consciousness because the potentials reside within them.

MARK: So they are ready for a promotion.

They are ready for more adventures. This is part of what someone referred to as the sweet agony of creation.

Please continue.

DAAL: Would you describe in a few words how an individual might most effectively broaden his sense of awareness? Or are there perhaps several ways, depending on the individual?

KRIS: There are most likely several ways for everyone. We are all eternal and immortal consciousness. That cannot be otherwise.

DAAL: Ah, but we don’t perceive that to be so from this point of view…

KRIS: Indeed.

DAAL: …or most of us don’t anyhow.

KRIS: Now, as eternal and immortal consciousness, you have access to the inner senses. You are also a focus personality or ego construction that helps you deal with your own ideas and thoughts and energies, et cetera, take the form of physical reality in all of its aspects, take the form of the events and circumstances and conditions of your private personal life, and the shared life that you hold with other individuals. That means that you have access to tools that are not the byproduct of your senses per say, though the senses themselves can be instrumental in broadening your awareness and your perceptions of the unofficial line of consciousness. Do you follow me so far?

DAAL: I think I follow. I was asking you for a technique or a process or an exercise that would be, in your judgment, most effective in terms of broadening one’s awareness…of unofficial reality.

KRIS: Indeed, indeed. We are merely trying to lay a pretty foundation.

Now, since the physical senses themselves are the physical construction of inner senses, they can be most effectively used to perceive the unofficial, within and through, the official line of consciousness or consensus reality.

DAAL: Is there any other choice?

KRIS: It is possible to not use them and to use perhaps psychological methods but since you are tactile creatures…

DAAL: I’m sorry, but you are talking about the five outward senses, is that correct…

KRIS: Indeed.

DAAL: …which are presumably designed for this reality?

KRIS: Indeed. They can also be used to tap into or to access the inner senses and they are not limited to their specific functions.

DAAL: So I can see more, hear more, feel more than I do.

KRIS: Indeed. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that you can see more through your eyes only.

DAAL: So, are you saying — in maybe a different way — are you saying, that to use (you know…with that purpose in mind, that attempt in mind of expanding one’s awareness), to use, for example the eyes…by using physically and with that intent behind that physical use, you are inviting a wider perception?

KRIS: Indeed. Imagine for a moment, many of these types of — there is a name for them — illusory paintings or drawings — that when you look at them ordinarily you see one thing but you step back and engage a different perspective and you see something entirely different.

MARK: Optical illusions?

KRIS: That is correct. You are familiar with these?

DAAL: Yep.

KRIS: Indeed. They usually function on the premise that you adjust the focus of your perception and you will see another or more things in the same drawing that are entirely different from the original perception. Do you understand?

DAAL: Yeah, I thought about that often, actually. I mean I…when I look at one of those things I tend to almost de-focus and I think there’s an utilization of the imagination, whatever that faculty is.

KRIS: Indeed. And that slight shifting of focus actually broadens the capacity of your physical senses to operate in a larger capacity than what they are normally used for. For instance…

DAAL: It is still a physical thing though.

KRIS: …it is possible with your hands to see what your eyes do not see. It is possible to hear color. It possible to do many other things than what you use your physical senses at the primary basic function for.

As to specific exercises because you wish to bypass the physical senses entirely…

DAAL: I want to speed things up.

KRIS: You would speed them further by combining exercises, but that is something for you to decide.

Now, you may sit quietly, comfortably…use your breath in a gentle, in a rhythmic, soothing fashion to induce a retraction of all of your primary sensory apparatus from your physical environment so that they are bypassed entirely and enter into a psychological…

[Recording failure. Balance of session lost.]

— END —

Private Session for Emmy from Netherlands

May 6, 2004

from Netherlands, 6th of May 2004
Channelled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Emmy
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on May 6, 2004 via telephone from Netherlands
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Note: This private session is made available gratuity of Emmy. Emmy’s first language is not English, therefore the sentence structures may appear a bit convoluted, but we wanted to keep the transcript in as original state as possible and we chose to leave it as is, with minimal editing.

KRIS: Now we are excited you have taken the consideration to call and to listen to our melodious voice. We hope that you are comfortable and ready for your adventure.

EMMY: Ok I am.

KRIS: Now perhaps, since you where just now speaking with Joseph about your dream exploration over time shifting..

EMMY: Yes I did

KRIS: It would be a good idea to bring perhaps another perspective into this dream picture.

EMMY: Ok, that would be nice.

KRIS: Now (small chuckle) off course this may lead to other discussions and perhaps even the answering to some of your question before you have asked them.

EMMY: Ok that would be very nice.

KRIS: Good now then, there is indeed a good reason why you directed the focus of your consciousness within the dream state to an era where there was German occupation, and this may also hopefully explain and help you come to terms with a certain chapter of your life. And the reason why you chose to engage the exercise and focus into a Nazi occupation period, is that for many years now you have been trying to resolve left over emotional and psychological trauma from when you had experiences with the death camps.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: You are trying to assist this other focus personality or aspect of your inner selves who had contact and indeed suffered and perished in Auschwitz. You have had many dreams in this area.

EMMY: I had yes, and I recall them also, yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Yes. Not the Auschwitz one though, but I went there with my orchestra indeed several years ago.

KRIS: Now your other self suffered greatly and we may even conjecture that this was not the only one. We belief you may have had at least 2 other focuses who underwent a similar trauma, not all of whom died but there was at least one who perished in the (gas) chambers.

Now you have a certain degree off awareness of the pain that was endured especially at seeing other members of the family also be carted away like so much cattle. These events have then left you with a certain emotional baggage that you are trying to heal. One of those individuals in fact, not one but more then one of those individuals, one you know as a comedian.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: That is why you have such a deep link with his personality structure.

EMMY: Ok.

KRIS: When he undertook the role of Andy Kaufman he also found it almost unreasonable that he would fall into the role so deeply without necessarily understanding that there were psychological ties to the greater self, or the over self or the higher self, the ‘essence’ from which you all come from. And many of you were part of a large family that perished. Does that make some sense?

EMMY: It does make a lot of sense indeed because there were also a lot of questions that I wrote down that were about that, especially about that comedian but also about that second world (war) period because I had so many dreams about it and I was confronted with that time a lot of times during this life because I went to Auschwitz with my orchestra.

And I had several dreams that were very clear to me that I had something with that period and I’m still afraid of trains at times when I’m travelling and I’m travelling daily by train and sometimes I .. well I’m totally scared but not always just when it makes a certain move and sound then I’m scared for a little while but I was annoyed by it because I was so often scared. And I had of course my weird summer of 1999 period where I thought that I was Jim Carrey the comedian.

KRIS: Indeed. It would not be unreasonable to assume then at least from your part, that the correlations tried to engage in a collective healing of all of these aspects to try and leave those issues behind and this will occur and perhaps we may offer you some suggestions that are to precipitate and enhance that inner healing.

EMMY: That would be very nice, yes I would love that so, because I also had this therapeutic dream, one day also about that period I guess with a lot of other people also does that have to do something with that also?

KRIS: Please describe

EMMY: The dream? I was dreaming that I was in this room together with some other people and we were having a sort of well, I can compare it to drama therapy that I’m studying but we were experiencing sudden feelings we had during the second world war period together with some other people but we were just ourselves, like I’m now and there was also another man involved and we all had therapy there that’s what I remember now from my head I wrote it down but yes.

Do you understand?

KRIS: Indeed

And I also had several dreams about Jim Carrey and also about Andy Kaufman. In my latest dream I was teaching Jim Carrey how to walk through the train door while being asleep, well in your dreams and we were both very excited about that and then we went to see a woman named Jane – his daughter, but she was grown up and she is not that old now and we were sitting on a bench and I said to him, well I have to leave you now, because I’m having a therapy session I have to attend. So I went to that therapy room where a lot of people were waiting and it happened to be my dentist’s assistant who was my therapist in my dream and I thought “I’m not going to talk about it with her”. And then I went back in the dream to Jim Carrey and said to him what happened in the therapy room. So that was another dream I had.

KRIS: Indeed you have and we hope you realize that you do have a disposition to engage healing types of energy and in pursuing such would bring into your awareness that you not only do this in the dream state but you can help other individuals. Now this is not something you may necessarily pursue tomorrow. We see a probable development perhaps four or five years from now when various other stages of your life have come and gone where you can concentrate more energy in that direction, but do keep it in mind somewhere in the background. This may indeed come to pass.

Now as to helping this network of inner selves you may engage the dream state to further assist in creating an environment that is soothing and helps in the healing of the other aspects of your personality. Now this can be done first by creating a meditative mood even before, perhaps a few days before you engage the dream state. Include loving suggestions that you are creating a healing chamber within the dream state and that within this healing chamber you wish to activate the helpers and the healers of as many of the aspects of the inner self as want and can participate.

Gradually build up a flavour of the mood you are establishing in this healing chamber and after a few nights suggest to your dream self to take you into that healing chamber and that your dream self reach out to the dream-selves of all of those other aspects of your own inner self that may and desire to come and participate in this healing circle, healing chamber.

You may experience it in a variety of ways, you may even not recall anything but do trust that once the mood and the energy has been established in this chamber the others may come, you may see one, you may see twenty, you may see no one but yourself in the room. Be it as it may do trust that the healing matrix you are creating in this environment will have the results it is intended for. And other individuals may receive healing energy in ways you may not understand or even comprehend, but it must be left to their own selves to how best to use that energy.

EMMY: Ok yes that’s depended upon themselves off course.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: I’m very surprised to hear you knowing so much of my questions that I wrote down and that is very nice. I didn’t know what to expect and I myself found was thinking about that summer of ‘99 where I was having well some difficulties with remaining in balance but it worked out pretty well afterwards. I didn’t loose my balance after all after that period but it was well it was difficult for me and then Jim Carrey had similar thing with Andy Kaufman and well off course I see his movies and I read some interviews because my twin sister is also pretty much interested in his person so yeah that amazes me at times.

KRIS: Keep amazing your self, never lose touch with that quality. Creating enchantment and understanding that all of your world creation is an enchanted process, it is magical, as are the thoughts and feelings that go through your being.

EMMY: At that time when I thought I was Jim Carrey for a while during that summer it was at a similar time as Jim C thought he was Andy does that has connections then? Also?

KRIS: That period was one of those we spoke of where there was an initial attempt to bring about healing. It did occur to some other levels but it was preliminary steps, you ‘may’ have thought you were becoming unbalanced.

EMMY: Yes.

KRIS: But you also knew full well that if you could think along those lines then obviously you where still fully in control of your situation, though you were more interested in seeing where the pendulum went, how far you could go to the boundaries of your personality and how the ego may take all of this in, which it did quite well though with some trepidation.

EMMY: Indeed, because well I first had difficulties with that period and it took well, a couple of years when I got in terms with that period also because first I was ashamed because when you interpret it with the thoughts that people might have when you think you are somebody else or when you have such a weird time well I was first very much ashamed of that period but now it’s better now. I guess.

KRIS: In fact do keep in mind that most people really are someone else.

EMMY: Yes then they are or how do you mean?

KRIS: Indeed, no one is ever whom they really think they are. You are and indeed you are made up of many. Whom are you is a question most difficult to answer. It is not merely a physical one, not merely a philosophical one but a blend of the two. So you do change some of the integral personality characteristics throughout your day even if you do not necessarily notice that you have made these slight adjustments. So it would be to your benefit to develop the ancient art of noticing, noticing!

Pay attention to your moods, your thoughts, what you are paying attention to. What you are focussing on and that will give you an indication that [the] matrix of your personality structures, within your own psyche do ever so gently flow in and out of the moment even though you always hold the moment. And there is literally no conflict because you are all of these selves as they each are you and you share commonality.

EMMY: Yes there are similarities between.

KRIS: And then the differences between what you call a sane individual and one who has lost at least one card in the deck is that sometimes their personality structure is not as polished as the others. So that it shows more, it is more obvious and blatant that the flow of the personality structures into the moment has some hiccups that is a little more difficult to clearly tune into the station so to speak, so that there is sometimes some background noise and snow in the picture. These people also demonstrate the very foundation of the personality structure.

EMMY: I was wondering, I am studying to become a drama therapist and I like the education very much and I’ll have my internship next year with deaf people (with an F so not with a TH but deaf like not able to hear). I’m having this strong.. well connection with learning sign language and so on. I was wondering if you could tell me something about that connection I have with that language.

KRIS: From our perspective the self that you are is not only somewhat influenced by events and conditions of what you would call past selves but also from future selfs. So we believe then that your present interest and preoccupation and desire into these areas are also the result of a future development of yours whom has already developed these abilities and through those abilities has discovered a whole new range of communicative skills.

So you sense these trickling towards your own psyche and it is generating an interest which you find most interesting and useful as a means to develop some of your own talents and a means to reach out to other individuals. When someone undergoes drama therapy and they physically enact the emotional states, the moods, the inner quality of the experiences they feel are blockages, they engage a deep and powerful motivation to bring about, you must pardon the pun, but to bring about dramatic alterations in their lives. This is a powerful and grounding tool. Does that makes sense?

EMMY: Yes it makes a lot of sense.

KRIS: To actually enact what one feels blocked with brings about deep release and flood of vital energies into those areas of the psyche that were previously cordoned off, closed off to the rest of the self.

EMMY: Yes indeed I think so also and I always like to compare drama therapy with dreaming also since it has a lot of similarities at times.

KRIS: Indeed. Because you have a safe playground. For when a patient or client dramatises those inner blocks, they do fall into a dreamlike or trancelike state and they go with the flow.

EMMY: Yes indeed and I like that.

KRIS: That is a natural connection, because when you engage action in a dream you are actually dramatizing the emotional aspects, you are in a certain way physically representing, symbolising deeper emotions still, and that is a good and practical tool.

EMMY: Yes I like it to well to do, I’m sometimes amazed I do that work since I like it so much that’s fun that it works out.

KRIS: We have at the beginning of our conversation with you, investigated that you already do some healing work in your dreams. Do you recall?

EMMY: Yes I recall also some dreams where I was Aurora, I don’t know if I told Serge? I don’t think so I did yet but I had this dream where I was first myself and then I was conscious of dreaming and there was this man of sorts, a guide like person and he said well are you ready to come with me and I joined him and I flew through the wall and then I was myself. But at the same time I was also a woman and she was being ill and she was studying old Egyptian language also and that piqued my interest also and she was having a lot of pain but she wasn’t that bothered with the pain as much as Emmy me part was of course.

And that was the first time I had such a dream and I have had more of these dreams because in another dream I was her again but then she was in the hospital and she was I think she was going to get an operation of sorts and I was doing drama therapy with her as my elder self doing something with puppets I guess. I also felt the healing aspects of that work through her while at the same time being the therapist so that was also interesting. Some time later I had this dream about a woman called Aurora where I was in there at the same I’m myself but at the same time her, well same mode so to say and she was fainting all the time and she was a dancer, female dancer-director who directed others in dancing and that’s what I recall so at this moment are those the thing you are talking about those dreams?

KRIS: These are still other aspects of your self.

EMMY: Also.

KRIS: Indeed, now did you happen to catch the name of your so called guide?

EMMY: When I was experimenting with channelling I thought it was Defrene but I’m not sure because I also had the name Raymond but that could also refer to myself but I’m not sure about that yet

KRIS: And what about the old Egyptian woman?

EMMY: So the woman who studied the language you mean ?

KRIS: The old Egyptian woman in your dream?

EMMY: I’m not sure about her name, but I don’t know if she was Egyptian also because if you are referring to the dream where I was that other woman who was studying Egyptian language do you mean that person?

KRIS: Indeed

EMMY: I’m not sure about her name that’s true because I thought she wasn’t the same person as Aurora is so…

KRIS: That is correct. Now as an aside you most likely have noticed by now that when you see Egyptian hieroglyphs, do you not find it interesting that they are the dramatisation of word structures.

EMMY: I really am fond of them. I used to play with a stamp set when I was small all the time, that had hieroglyphs I have it now also. I bought it recently again, because I used to play with it all the time and it has similarities to sign language even I guess.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Yes and I also one time, I was taking a bath at my boyfriends parents place and I noticed that when I was putting my hands in certain signs it would give sound structures that I could voice if I wanted to, if I chose. But I was just too afraid that I might lose balance when I would do that at this time so I didn’t do that that often.

KRIS: You would benefit by entering a meditation and still use your body and do the hand signs and produce the sound. This may result in several additional benefits, especially the recognition that the sounds that you produce reach beyond the boundaries of the vocal chords and the eardrums.

EMMY: I had that feeling also when I was doing that back then and during the time I was having a lot of sadness because of my ‘99 period. I used to do things in bath like movements that where very beneficial for me also I felt. Back then. That I would lay down in bath and I would just see what happened when my body would move for itself so that was good also I guess.

KRIS: Indeed, you see the language matrix in human consciousness and in the individual are not based primarily in syntax but rather in imagery and the images themselves play out the concepts that you are wanting to communicate and they are then translated into syntax according to the customs and the cultures, the social backgrounds of the individual. But primarily these are groups of living moving acting images and this is also where the Egyptian original language came from.

The original hieroglyphs, this is also where drama, plays were brought about; the enactment of what the individual sees in his or her mind before it is formulated into words. So there is an entirely different level of action beneath the everyday events of everyday lives.

This is directly referred to into Framework 2 and even into Framework 3 for within those Frameworks the individual has far more freedom and leeway to express himself/herself, because they are not bound by the confines of the time and space and syntactical continuum, where often deeper experiences need to be watered down and reduced to its most common denominator so that you can communicate it with words. So that realm of inner activity, the inner field of action (or events) as we call it, is and has far greater reaches and is the true medium of communication between individuals, the true nature of telepathic communication.

When you read, even if only visually the hieroglyphs you get an innate sense of types of inner sound that are produced by the inner images. Primarily, the Egyptian language was not spoken not in those words. It eventually became in time, far removed from your own. The Egyptian civilizations if far older then your Egyptologists care to publicly divulge.

They have their own best of interest and those interests are often nested in funding. So it is best to keep it to the ‘status quo’, not to rock the boat.

EMMY:Yes indeed because otherwise, their funds may be taken away or disappear, they are afraid of at least. And well I’m pretty impressed by the whole session by the way, I was just also rethinking because when at the start of the session you spoke about the WW II period.

KRIS: Indeed

EMMY: I had to do several projects about that period at my school, coincidently, but not so coincidently I guess and I remember being so angry that they kept the Vucht concentration camp there while they first put it down so to say. They first destroyed the camp and then they rebuild the camp to have a museum there and I remember that I was very angry when walking there because it just didn’t feel right that they were still keeping it and now I find it more logical that I was so angry there. When I was at the Auschwitz place I wasn’t that angry at that moment so that surprises me then and back then I thought I was never in a camp with this conscious self but when I was camping last year I had similar memories at times when I was walking there in the well area, where they had those weird toilets that I didn’t like, but now it is more clear to me at least.

KRIS: In order to assist you further, the reason we asked about some of the individuals in your dream, the old woman- the Egyptian and so on and so forth is that not only are you participating in helping (with) the healing of many of those aspects but you have a natural affinity, an intuitive ability to connect with what you call your Inner self, your higher self, your essence and we have come to understand that knowing your entity name your essence name so to speak can be a very useful and practical tool.

EMMY: Ok and what is that name?

KRIS: Now it may sound strange to you but it may indeed provide a resonance that goes deeper then appearances. So we will utter your essence name as Atin Khum… A, T, I, N, K, H, U, M

EMMY: Ok can you spell that again?

KRIS: ATINKHUM

EMMY: Yes ok

KRIS: You can even use this in a meditative manner like a mantra if you like and follow the thread of the vibration from the uttering and follow it till you connect with your essence. That may further provide a link to deep energy sources.

EMMY: I’m surprised by the name but I can understand.

KRIS: Not all essence names are pretty packaged names.

EMMY: No but I can understand that and one thing I was wondering about.. I was at times experimenting with Ester, a friend of mine in channelling and I never felt comfortable with that can you shed some light on that?

KRIS: Can you repeat?

EMMY: I at times during those years since ‘99 and a bit later on I channelled at times with a friend of mine called Ester and I never really felt comfortable doing that, because I felt I was having misinterpretations myself, because I was using old beliefs that I had about the world while doing that with Ester.

KRIS: It is also our perception that though you tried to open the door so to speak, it was not quite the time for you to step through the threshold. So your feelings of being uncomfortable helped you to explore but to step back to reflect. Now in a few years time we suggest that approximately five years from now you would be in a better position to help in the healing of others whether it is through your therapies that you have developed or through other means.

This does not mean that you must not explore that domain. Do explore it but be aware.

EMMY: I also had that feeling myself that I rather explore the dream state more since I like that, I feel safe there.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: Yesterday morning when I had that WWII dream when I was in the grave so to say,

KRIS: Yes

EMMY: I knew I did that consciously. I chose to do it and I was pretty well aware of what I was doing then and I also thought maybe I should let that topic rest for a while, but I’m just not sure because it frightens me a bit much of course, maybe because of the hugeness of the trauma I guess.

KRIS: Indeed this is to be done in smaller chunks

EMMY: Yes indeed because otherwise I would be..

KRIS: Overwhelmed??!!

EMMY: Well getting overwhelmed with it I guess, because I sensed that while I was laying in that grave that I could go a little bit more back in time but I didn’t want to.

KRIS: That is right, trust your inner impulses One thing you might also greatly benefit from is to read about lucid dreaming and engage becoming more and more lucid in the dream experiences. You have already had various degrees of lucidity in your dreams and not all dreams must become lucid dreams. But when the opportunity presents itself this will enable you to actually redesign the dream patterns, so that you can designate a different outcome that brings about different results.

EMMY: Ok because I had while learned a lot during car driving in my dreams when I was first trying to have lucid dreams and that was a nice method for me back then. I always wanted to do things that I normally can’t do in physical life, like driving a car since I don’t have a driving license and I got some nice advice back then from Deen, but it wasn’t really Deen.

I guess that I could also travel with my thoughts and didn’t need the car. I’d really like to experiment with that further, because I’m doing pretty well at times with it but I also have times that I don’t have lucid dreams for a month (or months) or something. So yes I would like to. Do you recommend any reading on lucid dreams? For me?

KRIS: There are many excellent books on the matter. Try the Egyptian.. rather the Tibetan Book of The Dead; there is a chapter on the Bardo which though in Tibetan culture, still speaks deeply.

EMMY: Ok because I’ve read some things about lucid dreaming of course, also your session I printed it out a couple of days ago. And I’ll read that again because sometimes I’m not that patient.

KRIS: Yes do keep in mind that this session was presented to individuals who had very little knowledge of the topic.. it was introductory.

EMMY: Yes I understood that. I also read it because I didn’t read much sessions of yours before and I thought it was a good way to start reading them since I’m at times not that patience yet haha, to read it but I now realise that when I print them out I’m more patient then behind the computer because I don’t…

KRIS: Indeed it allows you to sit back and relax

EMMY: Yes indeed and I like I can scribble down some notes with it when I was reading the introduction. I noticed that I could recognise some of my own dreams in those descriptions and I got more self esteem with my dreaming, that I was doing well with it. After that I got that dream of yesterday morning so I guess it was helpful to read the introduction session. I guess to remind myself that I was able to do so.

KRIS: Indeed, now perhaps the addition suggestion when you have the time, allow yourself to contact an other aspect of yours, this one we believe the name is Satish. That is a woman in India.

The timeframe may indeed be irrelevant. This Satish is also a very evolved aspect of your higher self. She indeed has more than one of her focus personality in different time periods in India. This is a little difficult to explain. Normally the higher self has its various personality focuses in various timeframes, historical periods and so on and so forth. One of the other aspects just as valid as your own self of this higher self is this Satish whom is in a certain way, perhaps ready to leave the nest of the higher self and take on that role herself. Does that make some sense to you?

EMMY: Yes it does when I see it in a picture way I’m trying to

KRIS: So basically this Satish is or has more experience than you in terms of leading towards her own or being her own essence. And she has several of her own focuses in different time periods in India. There is a purpose of her there and she is evolving, some are male some are female, she is studying some very intricate aspects of spirituality, she has some unique experiences that you may benefit from as well. So call (upon her), consider her a big sister.

KRIS: Now do you have other questions? Please continue

EMMY: Yes I’ll have some.. would you recommend for me to see Jim Carrey movies because at times when I would see them I would get upset by hem but I guess that was mostly because I was ashamed of my period in 1999 I was just wondering

KRIS: You might benefit more if you reconcile the differences between your ashamed self and you. Embrace her and see that though you experienced the feeling as shame that is not necessarily as they are. You felt far more out of control then you really thought you were, you felt you could lose face at any time and that is where the shame stems from but initially there was and still there is no shame to be held from an experience.

EMMY: Ok that’s true. I understand that also and because I was so surprised by the similarities that Jim Carrey had with his Andy experience if I’m reading interviews but that are just interviews of course, because I first thought we had similar things to learn through that experience

KRIS: And you focused on the similarities which is fine because you were also undergoing your own challenges in that area. So together you focussed on those similarities that could bring about necessary changes

EMMY: Yes indeed because after that period or in that period, I started to read the Seth books and that helped me a lot in my life and I guess Jim C. got more into Buddhism I guess it was yes.

KRIS: It is a method that he finds useful and indeed when you look at his more modern self, the more present time self, you reflect on something else and we may venture to say that you sense he was also part of that past self which suffered in the camps.

EMMY: He was also I think that or ?

KRIS: Indeed

EMMY: Yes is that so or not?

KRIS: That is our perception that in that time he suffered with you and others: he was part of the family so to speak that was sent to the chambers.

EMMY: Of me? Hmhm yes ok ok so he was a family member of me then or a family member of my personality or?

KRIS: Indeed, both

EMMY: Ok, at the same time?

KRIS: That is not unusual

EMMY: Because I was thinking that back in 99 that he was a brother of mine in a way but I could just not interpret it correctly back then, because I just didn’t have the knowledge about personality that I have now so to say so I just…

KRIS: Now it is suggested that if you would write him on this issue, you would probably get rejected for he does not necessarily understand this issues in this lifetime that is why he decided to incarnate in America. To not be reminded of some of the trauma’s.

EMMY: Indeed that’s more far away. Yes and I’m living very close to it so to say.

KRIS: You however have found that you would rather deal with the issues and heal them in this time. He is working on healing with a different modality all together. You will all find your healing.

EMMY: Oh that’s nice I really hoped so already.

KRIS: You may even consider it an accomplished fact; it has not showed up in your reality just yet. The train is slow.

EMMY: Also what did you say?

KRIS: The train is slow.

EMMY: Yes the physical train or…

KRIS: The psychological train, appearing of what is already done into the present, but it will eventually show itself in physical time and space.

EMMY: Yes hmhm ok because I really wanted to let go of that period.

KRIS: Indeed.

EMMY: And I feel that.

KRIS: We believe that using some of the suggestions we have offered you will be able to get in terms with it.

EMMY: hmhm yes that would be very nice. So I won’t have to do any projects on that matter at school anymore I guess or do I? I wondered about that, not that I see it as a very apparent opportunity now but..

KRIS: If you are presented with it again, use it as further therapy as opposed to fighting it.

EMMY: Indeed because I had to do a monologue this year about that same period also and the teacher asked me if I wanted to do it again and I said well I more euh lightly or more light subject back then indeed so I did that.

KRIS: Something that is not so close to the heart.

EMMY: Though I learned a lot of these things though I didn’t dare to dig into it further back then, because I was afraid I would get overwhelmed and there was off course a chance I would get overwhelmed I guess.

KRIS: Your own ego structure is much stronger then it was several years back.

EMMY: Hmhm that’s true.

KRIS: And you have a better understanding now of some of the issues concerned, so you now have then tools of understanding and knowledge that you can use to your benefit, and to the benefit of your other selves.

EMMY: Yes I feel that way also but that’s why I called. Also at this time because I considered sessions before and also with other persons but that never felt right just yet. And well I just, yes well it just…

KRIS: We are most humble that somehow we have felt right to you.

EMMY: Yeah also about the dream aspects of how you work well was feeling right to me euh just that it fit more to me then like for as for instance Mary would be and euhm yes I just saw the website and though I would call and I did on an impulse really.

KRIS: These are the best of calls.

Yes indeed it was one o clock I guess it felt good and I also am having vacation at the moment so that was a good time also I guess I’m having a week vacation now and I was really glad to hear that I was able to do a session in this vacation also and not later on when I have to go to school and so on.

KRIS: And all things worked out in a very nice manner.

EMMY: Indeed even the day.

KRIS: Now do you have another question?

EMMY: If there is time for it.

KRIS: There is…

EMMY: Ok. Euh I have one question about I’ve written them down about being a twin an identical twin. Together with my twin sister R. and um I had a bit of a struggle with being born back then if and it’s also a funny thing that my mother really couldn’t get pregnant really since she was operated so she could not get pregnant but she did from the both of us and that was interesting to me because it seems to me that I choose in my terms on the last second that I would live this life. Is that true? Or is that just?

KRIS: Our sense is that even at the very onset, at the very get go you where feeling strong enough to put up some challenges, you have a very strong character and a very strong sense of whom you are even though at times you may have felt you could be unbalanced. We have mentioned this earlier and an individual who has a strong personality may feel efficiently strong to explore more of reality then what appears before your eyes.

Now the very possibility that you could have not been born to you signified that you overcame some odds very early on in life. Therefore you must have some strength that you can call upon; you must have a certain resolve that you can use. And obviously you are able to determine for yourself that you can “be”, period.

EMMY: And also I thought about being a twin that we can be although we look like each other we are not the same.

KRIS: You are. Both of your characteristics can at times be as different as night and day.

EMMY: hmhm indeed

KRIS: You have both strong temperaments as well, especially when you begin disagreeing on an issue.

EMMY: haha, hmhm indeed haha that’s true when I am disagree with R. or she with me we can be well very angry at each other.

KRIS: Indeed you are showing your differences, and that is not a bad thing because it is confined to the parameters of being sisters. So you have more leeway to express your emotions and as such you’re less prone to simple walk away from each other even to go to your own rooms and slam the doors, which you did often as children.

EMMY: Indeed. Yes you will never lose each other. Yes we slammed a lot with doors.

KRIS: You fought, but this was not a bad thing.

EMMY: No that’s true and even now at times I will visit her tomorrow it can get pretty tensed at times.

KRIS: And because at times I would also worry about her love life and stuff, and about ideas she has about that. Also and at times I’m worried about that but I feel I really shouldn’t be worried about that at all but euhm yes because she has some interest that I share in comedy and stuff but sometimes I wonder if she is doing the right thing but she knows that for herself probably the best I guess.

Indeed, and one interesting aspect of this relationship with your twin is that often you can literally see yourself in action and sometimes you make a call and decide, no, you may see her but you want to be different. This is how you have used each other she sees you very often in the same manner. And you make decisions you differentiate yourselves from each other. So it is a good relationship even at times it is somewhat fiery. Overall there is an underlying sense that you both have a good deal of love and respect for each other. Therefore you can allow yourself a little more leeway.

EMMY: Indeed it can be very fiery, ok that’s true. I’m just wondering will she be ok with her love relationships because she is pretty struggling with it at the moment and also because she is in love with the comedian Jim Carrey also I was worried about that at times because I thought I could have made her to.

KRIS: Do notice that even though you think you may have been in love with him and that your sister thinks she is in love with him, there is a marked difference between a certain degree of infatuation and being in love with someone. And we wish you both to ponder upon that. You may have a strong pull towards his personality, but ultimately we do not believe that either of you will conclude in the long run that you where in love with him as such, in the classic sense of the term.

EMMY: I wasn’t, indeed I feel that way also because I’m very happy also with the..

KRIS: Because you only know him from a distance because if you where to be involved with him, we belief you will find it ultimately unpleasant. Personality clashes would overwhelm you, he is a far stronger personality then you are and very demanding and can be quite the crab.

EMMY: Can you say that word again? The crab?

KRIS: He can be quite the crab, he can be quite bitchy.

EMMY: Yes I know I can sense that in a way that he can be that way also and but I never was in love with him at least not in this lifetime.

KRIS: That is correct.

EMMY: But my twin sister is in a way but she doesn’t know him either I guess.

KRIS: That is also true, would she know him she would ultimately back away.

EMMY: I thought so already.

KRIS: She is in love with her ideas of him and that is entirely different and that is fine. We have suggested a form of infatuation. It will pass.

EMMY: Hmhm ok that would be nice and she..

KRIS: And you can occasionally send her some loving energy.

EMMY: hmhm yes that would be nice for me to do also I guess.

KRIS: One of the reasons she… there is also a marked difference between both of your developments. It is easier for her to be attracted to someone that actually lives on another continent than to actually deal with someone that may live in her city. For she is somewhat afraid with someone because she has far more issues of insecurities then you do.

EMMY: Indeed that’s true. I feel that the same way also and also when I look at her relationships they are always with people from America, Canada or England but not from Amsterdam so to say.

KRIS: Not always someone who lives close by yet, eventually she will recognise that she is exhausting her own physic energies by roaming the world for potential lovers she will never ever meet.

EMMY: Also she wanted to move to L.A., for instance but she is now having a nice job so I guess she will not move yet.

KRIS: Indeed, and specifically her disappointment to realize that Mr. Carrey is not feeling the same way is hard and specifically that he has an attraction to someone else, that should be part of the equation. That will change the nature of the attraction, it is fine to love someone from a distance but get on with your life.

EMMY: Indeed yes that’s why I was worried at times, though she is making progress.

KRIS: It is a matter of a certain degree of immature arrestation of self esteem. That will grow and change.

EMMY: Yes it is changing already I see yes.

KRIS: She is still very young as you are.

EMMY: Yes indeed. Yes because at times I was a bit worried because people were always comparing us of course and ask how she was doing and she wasn’t doing that well emotionally, and well I found it difficult at times but am more at peace with it I guess at the moment.

KRIS: Indeed now we suggest ending our lovely conversation and may you be the individual that you are. And we will return the conversation to Joseph.

EMMY: Ok thank you very much ok that would be very nice and I want to thank you for the session I

KRIS: You are most welcome.

EMMY: Really, well like it so and it answered all my questions that I had so.

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