Astral Travel & Projections of Consciousness

February 26, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded at the Omega Centre in Toronto, Canada on February 26, 2004
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Six people in the audience at the Omega Center Bookstore – Canada’s largest New Age – Metaphysical Bookstore
and Galo Chan is recording the event on a camcorder.

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7:05 PM Session Starts

KRIS: Now we wish to thank each and every one of you who has taken the time from their busy schedule to come and listen to our melodious and humble voice.

The topic for this presentation “Astral Travel and Projection of Consciousness” may sound esoteric indeed since it is considered a human experience but up on the fringe of normalcy, somewhere very much out there. Little consideration is given to the very fact that Astral Travel and Projections of Consciousness occur to every man, woman and child and a host of other beings on your world. In fact, we would venture to say that though you might not be aware of this, you yourselves sitting here are in some way a projection of those thoughts and convictions you hold about yourselves.

Astral travel, projections of consciousness are used together to give you a sense of definition. They are not that different, one from the other and this is not something that will occur or happen to you at some point in time. It is something that occurs EVERY night that you go to sleep, like you dream every night though you may not remember some of your dreams. The term astral traveling may frighten some, may intrigue others and may spark curiosity and a sense of adventure and discovery in yet other people. IT is something that your species and all life forms on this planet indulge in and have indulged in, even before the beginning of the beginning.

Many of the so called ancient cultures and societies on your world have vivid descriptions of the journeys of the soul and the travels so incurred. Some individuals were specifically trained to undertake some of those specific journeys for various specific purposes. All ancient cultures and tribes had a Shaman in one form or another. These individuals were trained to be able to project their consciousness and travel outside the realm of the physical senses and bring back information to serve specifics.

The very ancient religion of Tibet, [the practitioners of] the Bon Religion, before Tibet subscribed extensively to Buddhism was specifically adept at the art of projections outside of the body, travels outside of body. Over much time many of these ideas and concepts were woven into religious concepts and over time have become distorted. The idea that you can, yourselves travel outside of the contours of your flesh, that you CAN be somewhere other than that place where your body is, be it on a couch, a bed or a Lazy Boy, these concepts are not foreign to the inner self though they may be foreign to the ego, for the ego part of the personality enjoys making sure that all of its parts are neatly tucked under its perceptions and that there are no stray aspects of the personality going about doing something other than what it says.

Fortunately for you, the ego’s perceptions are limited and you can sneak out while the ego slumbers on your pillow. Do you understand? Therefore the practice of traveling outside of the body is one that merits more investigations and we hope to share with you some simple steps that may enable you to indeed take your own journeys, in other words sneak out the back door of the ego and enjoy your time.

Now as we have suggested a few moments ago, many of the various ancient cultures on your planet had various Shamans and other individuals in a similar capacity that use their ability to bring understanding and healing from those realms other than those perceived by the five physical senses, those beyond the immediate perception. Over time these concepts and perceptions have become distorted. You need to understand then that one of the most powerful revelations that come from projecting outside your body is that it may lead you to surmise that if you can have some experiences outside of the field of your physical perceptions and body altogether then what does it mean about whom and what you are supposed to be? For you are told and taught from infancy that only what is perceived by your physical senses is true, the factual relationship with the world of objects and forms that appear solid to the senses is to be trusted.

What we are implying is that the experiences that you acquire whilst traveling outside of your body have their own specific order of reality and indeed that you’re very non-physical senses themselves have their own reality since they enable you to interact with non-physical objects seen at the level of the projection itself. This can indeed shake the very foundation of what you have been taught about yourselves for some time. That you are of flesh and bone, that you took birth at one time and at another time at the opposite end of the scale, you will die and that is the end of the story.

What we are saying is that indeed, by using the principles of projection of consciousness you may realize that you are far more than the physical vessels that you think you are. That you are far more than merely the body of flesh and bone, that you are consciousness itself and that this very consciousness has its own set of senses and perceptions other than the ones used by the body.

But indeed, everyone should be warned that if you do not want pre-packaged notions that you are merely a body of flesh and bone and one day your existence will be extinguished then perhaps you should not venture into these practices for it may lead you to think otherwise.

Now may we take but a moments break and allow that to sink into your consciousness.

7:25 PM Break Starts

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Mark’s Notes: The audience at this event was stone cold during the presentation. There were no facial expressions, no nodding or shaking of heads, no laughter, no mumbling, just dead pan. During break they stretched their arms and legs but remained quiet so I tried to spark up some conversation by asking what they thought. All I got back was one or two word answers. “Good”, “Straight Forward” and the like. One person asked if Kris always spoke so SLOW. .

7:35 PM Break Ends

KRIS: Now we thank you for having been so patient with are slow paced delivery. We wanted to make sure that the words sank in and were anchored in your perceptions and we did specifically avoid the usual clichés regarding astral projections and out of body travel that is found in so much of the literature of this genre. It is important that you understand that this is a “built in”, it is a ‘hard wired’ into your consciousness kind of activity that you do every single day or night or both. And that there is nothing that you need to fear or worry or concern yourselves overly as far as out of body travels are concerned.

We would however suggest that you learn to understand your thought processes, your convictions and belief structures for if you attempt such travels out of the body and you still hold the convictions that the ethers or inner space is filled with dangers then you will unconsciously manufacture those very things that you fear as a means of justifying those beliefs in the first place.

So it does necessitate a certain level of house cleaning in terms of your belief boxes, those parts of your awareness or consciousness where you store the things that you are convinced about in terms of your existence. If you believe for instance in dangerous things, that your life may be in danger then we suggest that you clean out those contents and understand that you are first of all an “Eternal and Immortal Being” and that you have projected yourselves into this body, the very body that sits before us and those limiting and negative views that you entertain should be released from your perceptions so that you can enjoy your experience without looking over your shoulders all of the time.

The act of projecting your consciousness out of the body means that you are entering an inner space where thought experiences do not lag from the act of entertaining the thought to the time it takes to experience it as a projected item from within your own psyches. In physical reality you do experience a certain amount of lag until all of the conditions and circumstances are indeed aligned or favorable for you to experience the events and circumstances that you conceived previously within your consciousness, through the auspices of your convictions, beliefs, attitudes, expectations and feelings but eventually transform that state of energy into the physical representation that then you experience as daily living.

In this out of body state you can and you will experience your convictions in a very instantaneous manner which is why in some respects that many individuals who are practiced at the art of projections out of the body, DO create for themselves intensely sexual adventures Because they do not have to wait at the bar for four or five hours to pick up a date. They can bypass all of that.

Thus if you entertain specific convictions about for instance the nature of evil, you may indeed encounter it in that instantaneous atmosphere and you may take the projections from your own mind as actual external events and think that they are factual. Which is why we suggested, moments ago that you become familiar with the contents of your belief boxes, so that THOSE beliefs that can be limiting to your experience can be transformed, eliminated in the way that you think of that.

Now there are many different stages and steps that can be cultivated to achieve a good platform from which you can project outside of your physical form. There are even certain nutrients that you can add to your diet because the state of projection outside the body does create a very specific electro-chemical charge within your body which enables consciousness to get a very specific boost so to speak which can facilitate the experience.

The addition of food stuffs that contain potassium specifically can create a more balanced chemical state that will predispose the experience. A relaxed state of mind enhancing the meditative mood also greatly assists. That can occur whilst you take some meditation time from your day and indulge in a quick excursion out of the body which can prove to be highly beneficial both to the consciousness and to the body awareness. You may even learn to concentrate and recall your dreams which can lead you to experiment with lucid dreaming from which you can experience profound out of body states by bringing your conscious focus into your dream state and from there within that platform choose to have an extended experience into the out of body state. And these can be highly interesting and indeed very valuable to your own self awareness and development in specifically in the area that we mentioned earlier, “the understanding that you are MORE than your physical form, that you are more than the thoughts about yourself, that indeed you are an ETERNAL and IMMORTAL consciousness AND that this form is not your ONLY form, physically or otherwise”.

You can develop specific strategies to recognize that when your consciousness, from the sleep state is getting ready for an out of body experience, just as you can develop specific strategies to recognize when your consciousness is projecting outside of your body whilst you are fully awake and unawares otherwise.

There are very many varieties of out of body projections. You may believe for instance that you have been daydreaming for the last five minutes unawares that you have allowed a portion of your consciousness to sneak out the back door so to speak and entertain an experience away from your normal focus. Perhaps you are at the office, perhaps you are even a civil servant and you need to do something so you do go look out the window only to realize that you have wandered in your mind and not certain where you were but perhaps you remember vaguely thinking that it would be so nice to be away from winter, perhaps in a nice tropical area where there is warmth and sunshine and greenery. Thinking that you have been merely daydreaming, you snap out of it.

We are suggesting that this type of experience which occurs much more so in the young and in the very elderly and not very often in the mid range of ages because you are concentrating so much on the work issues and other challenges that you rarely learn to pay attention to where portions of your consciousness sneak off too. When you do, you very quickly think that you have had merely a little imaginary adventure without realizing it that a portion of your consciousness may have taken a breather and gone to bask in the tropical sun. Do you understand?

Therefore you can learn to become alerted to those small excursions outside of the body and take advantage of the opportunity to be aware that you stand in two times and places at the same moment, that one part of you is physically focused at the office yet another part of you non-physically focused perhaps in the Caribbean or the Virgin Islands or some other nice place.

It is even possible that other physically focused persons in those places where you ended up spontaneously projected may actually see you and think of you as no more than another rather pale tourist trying to soak up the rays without them ever thinking for a moment that the image of you projected there might nothing more than an image of yourself as far as you are concerned.

Next time you are in a large public place play with that concept and see what happens to your perceptions. If you look at a large crowd and wonder who is physically or non-physically here and see how that causes more of the ripples in your brain.

One of the basic strategies to develop is the use of suggestion. Auto-suggestion can help you become alert to those moments when portions of your consciousness have snuck out for instance, by suggesting to your unconscious or inner self that if there are significant excursions, you might like to be alerted. You can further the suggestion to include when, from the sleep state or meditative sleep, your consciousness is projecting outside of your body focus so that you may decide whether you will share the experience by consciously following your projection and see what follows from that side trip so to speak.

If you are uncertain of its effectiveness then try to work with a physical reinforcement to the auto-suggestion that, for instance when portions of your consciousness are projected perhaps you will get a specific itch in the ear lobe. Something that would not ordinarily itch as far as you are concerned, a slight itching or tickling in the ear lobe or the back of the neck which would signal to you in a physical manner that there is an inner event on the verge of occurring and you can decide to allow your imagination to let you see through the eyes of your projected self what you might feel and sense as you are projecting and in that state.

We also suggested much earlier on that just as your physical form has its own sensory apparatus, the eyes, ears, nose and so on, so does your projection also have its own variety of sensory apparatus which can be slightly similar to the usually perceived senses but can also be quite different. Learning to pay attention to these small things, you can greatly enhance your sense of self awareness and even attain realizations as to the very nature of your being BOTH in time and space AND outside of the context of time and space where you have your own source of being. By cultivating these very enriching experiences you can not avoid thinking and concluding then that you’re physical experiences and everything pertaining to the body as you know it is but a certain percentage of all that occurs with and through you, the individual who gives the body its primary source of energy and that still you are more than your physical body because with such observations and conclusions you will definitely no longer fear death.

You will no longer consider the demise of your physical form as the definite annihilation of your being as you will already have knowledge and understanding that your being is not limited to its physical expression, and that you as an individual personality have been able to live and experience outside of the body.

Therefore when the body no longer suffices your dreams and desires and must be let go so that it can return to the Earth, you will still be! You will still have your being! You will still have yourselves and that much more. Do you follow?

Then we suggest another moment’s break.

8:00 PM Break Starts

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8:15 PM Session Resumes

KRIS: Now previously we suggested the use of auto-suggestion as an excellent method to alert you to the activities of your consciousness, which is far greater than you could ever surmise.

There are other small things that you could do: It is sometimes suggested in esoteric writings that the third eye situated here [pointing to forehead] can be of use for many spiritual adventures and we are suggesting indeed that in a relaxed state or meditative mood, where you are preparing for a conscious out of body adventure, that you indeed relax yourselves and you apply a very gentle pressure-massage in that part of the forehead. [Apply] very gentle clockwise circles so that you activate the pineal gland so that it releases certain hormones that predispose the out of body state as well. This will take some practice on your part but you can achieve an excellent state, a great take-off if you wish with such a simple method.

Another is to use visualization where you can envision at very back of your head, the back of your cranium which is filled with several plates that somehow or other become loosened in your imagination. As the cranial plates in your imagination slowly separate it gives you an opening through which you can send a portion of your consciousness out of the body perception. That is another simple method.

It can greatly enhance your excursion if before hand you spend a few moments planning your trip in such a manner as knowing what part of the planet you might like to go or what part of your neighbourhood you might like to go to. Where would you visit for instance? Do NOT think that you are limited to actual physical locations as you have seen on television or in National Geographic or any other travel shows. For it is also quite possible not only to project to another place but to another TIME where for instance, you may desire to actually project into the lifetime of one of your incarnations or other selves.

Pay attention to what you see, you observe, you sense in those travels and it would indeed be beneficial to retain as much memory as possible and to keep a journal of your travels. For you would be surprised indeed to recognize that you can visit places in this day and age or in another day and age but mainly in this day in age for instance that are actual places that you may actually travel to and recognize. Landmarks, specific locations and get an extension of that sense of deja vu from where you may indeed recall a projection that you forgot or forgot that you wrote about in your journal. Whether it be even into the future for there are no strict boundaries between times as such since time as you know and experience it is a rather synthetic version of something much greater.

So we encourage you to keep a journal of your travels and that you indeed do experiment with the potentials of your consciousness and indeed enlighten yourselves to your innate abilities and the knowledge that you are not only a physical being but are also a non-physical being that projects a physical form and interacts with the world of physical reality.

Now we hope that you have enjoyed this small presentation and if you have any questions please feel free to ask.

Male voice: How would channeling outside my body help me attain spiritual enlightenment?

KRIS: We believe that we have given some ideas on that very topic. Cultivating an appreciation for the very fact that you are not only your physical form is indeed a great step in that direction. By actually knowing and living that experience outside of the confines of your physical form, knowing that you are non-physical first of all leads to deeper realizations and those realizations lead to enlightenment. Do you follow?

Male voice: Now with astral travel, is that a faster path to get to spiritual enlightenment?

KRIS: It is one of many. It is one that can lead to fascinating discoveries as to the nature of your consciousness and can indeed be its own teacher. Does that make sense to you?

Male voice: Thank you.

KRIS: You are most welcome.

Male voice: You mentioned food can help assist us in astral travel.

KRIS: Indeed, those that add certain chemicals to your blood stream. Asparagus is also another, taken in regular doses. Now this does not mean that you should go buy a truck load of asparagus. For indeed you would turn green! . But the addition of asparagus to your supper on an evening that you wish to experiment may add that extra boost.

Male voice: They talk about other things, like the pyramids might have been able to enhance your body to move out of your body. Are there other things, physical things that can assist?

KRIS: You might even search your residence for perhaps an area or a corner that contains a larger flow of energy and avail yourself of that area for when you practice. Your homes represent a portion of yourselves, within your home you will also find pockets of energy that you can detect more easily than another. They will be zones of accumulations of some of your own psychic energy and by discovering them you can benefit from some of those residual accumulations of those energies as an additional fuel. Do you follow?

It is fairly easy to discover where in your home such an accumulation can be found. You can do it through visualization. For instance, envision your thoughts are like visible threads and they flow through your form, physical and non-physical and as they leave your form see how they flow through your home environment and notice which corner of your house or room they tend to flow to, for they will use that pocket of accumulated energy to pursue their own evolution, their transformations. Do you follow? Localizing that pocket of energy can be highly beneficial especially for the practice of out of body travel much like the diver will use the diving board to pick up momentum. Do you follow?

You can use that accumulation of energy in your space as a spring board to give you momentum and help you ‘take off’. The nicest thing about all of this is that you don’t have to pay any airport tax!

There is an excellent book that this book store may carry. It is called “Out of Body Projections” (or Experiences) and the author is Rick Stack. It is a small but fascinating book that may assist you. We do suggest however that if you undertake such a practice that you keep away from books that are filled with dark warnings about all sorts of evil things that may lie waiting for you. These are filled with the fear projections of the author and nothing more.

So if you fill your being with love and understanding, then you might find those things [love and understanding] projected in your experiences. Do you follow?

Indeed, then we suggest that if you be so kind we will conclude our evening. We thank you deeply for our projections in this room and that you ‘BE’ the selves that you are. May you sleep and travel well.

8:35 PM Session Ends.

Business & Biological Time

February 23, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Galo Chan and Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on Feb. 23 2004
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© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Andrea, Lida, Galo and Mark are present.

Topics include: time, business time, biological time, flux time, Meditation and use of psychological-time (psy-time), dance and music, dipping into the pool of time (an exercise), synthetic time, country and city time.

7:51 PM Session Starts

KRIS: We are all glad to see you all here. As has been described to you we have been speaking on different planes of time. As we have described what we call synthetic time or in your terminology, “clock time”, which usually refers to business time, is a quite different construct then natural or flux time. You have your own connection to flux time hardwired to your brain. You refer to it as “biological time”, do you not?

(Yes.)

KRIS: And this influence upon biological mechanism exerts influences that can even have dramatic impact on your behaviour and your perceptions of reality within time and space. But few people are aware of biological time to any great degree except some vague awareness or reference to it being mentioned. But if you want to pay closer attention to this link with flux time, this biological clock within you, you will be able to perceive more of what we are speaking about, for that biological clock exerts its influences not only upon your sleep cycles but also upon various states of health within different regions of the body. It helps regulate different aspects of functioning of your anatomy. It can even influence the different hormones and chemicals released in to the bloodstream which in turn affects how you behave and react on a variety of levels within your social constructions. By paying closer attention to your internal time you can benefit on many levels and greatly so.

Many individuals only refer to synthetic time for all of their perceptions and needs. This often is problematic. Many individuals would naturally reverse even some physical symptoms if they were to pay more attention to flux time and its connection with your own biological clock time. And thus your experiences with synthetic time would also be reversed or slightly modified without intruding inappropriately within synthetic time behaviour. So within one field alone you operate on different levels of time and often do not understand the precepts of any of these perceptions.

Paying close attention to the type of time sequencing that is involved with the construction of the body at the cellular level, at the level of the organs and the functioning of various bodily systems, can give you insights into the very nature of creativity and the universe as you can possibly experience it, though it is still much different overall or in total from your perceptions of it even with expanded awareness. But nonetheless your experiences can be greatly enhanced and even some situations healed and reversed.

By tapping into this other flow of time, or flux time, and allowing whether it be certain diseased conditions to bathe in its own flow of time, out of the context of synthetic time. Simply by making fine attunements to psychological perception mechanisms within your minds that are usually focused merely upon synthetic time, now slightly taken out of that focus and brought into the inward gaze of the consciousness into the inner field of events and allowing the body to rejuvenate and rehabilitate those particular portions of the body that indeed are ever so slightly out of sync, so to speak, so that the tone of the whole body ring in a melodious orchestration of biological and creature functions where you can benefit from your awareness back into the flow of you synthetic time relevant to the focused personality and return to the proper functions within society. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes.)

MARK: So let’s say a person has something like cancer. How can they…what can they do to tap into this flux time? Simply by slowing their pace of lifestyle and being more aware of their pace of their body?

KRIS: Now this information should not be used as the cure-all for all of mankind’s ills, but it can definitely aid in reestablishing proper functions of the inner mechanisms of the body

In certain conditions such as that you have mentioned you would certainly need to be wiser in the methods and the types of foodstuffs you intake as well as cultivating a totally different attitude in regards to yourself and your relationship with others. And in addition to that you can greatly accelerate the rejuvenation and rehabilitation of the body parts that are affected by meditative moods. We use the word very specifically – that bring you back to recognizing the ways and the methods used by the body to regulate its various functions which operate in its own time capsule. This is directly relating to your biological clock time and flux time – variation of the latter which operates within the organic construction of consciousness made into physical matter. Do you follow so far?

(Yes.)

KRIS: So when there is an over-insistence upon the focus of synthetic time, naturally the body, its precious functions are generally ignored until sometimes it is too late and the condition is irreversible. But if in the onset you maintain regular contact, mental, inner contact through developing meditative moods and rekindle your relationship with your bodies not merely as heap of flesh that takes you from point A to point B, and that you must beat it like an old donkey to do so, but respect it for its sacred function of housing your perceptions, then you can reacquaint yourself with a different rhythm of life – one that brings a soothing balm to your ills. And with this ointment you can change and sometimes even alter or even reverse various conditions. And you would do this as we have suggested, developing meditative moods which in itself takes you immediately out of synthetic time.

In some vernacular you call it the better state of consciousness. By closing the eyes and going directly inwards, adjusting your focus inwardly you fall into a variety of brainwave scales. First would be alpha. From that moment where you close the eyes and you enter into your alpha state you begin right away to see and experience below the layers of synthetic time, and you begin by carefully paying attention, you begin to notice that the relevancies you attach to time and space in terms of your regular personality, what we have termed synthetic time begins to change.

Once you attain a good working comprehension of the concepts, you may begin to experiment and bring the stresses and the tensions that you have accumulated in the body, and those stresses and tensions are usually the result of one type of trauma or another as you have not dealt with for a number of reasons. And as you continue to demand your attention, and you continue to put the lid on, therefore you build adverse regional weather conditions within your organs and various parts of the body which eventually demand release.

So by entering these meditative moods you can begin to literally sink below the surface of synthetic time and start recognizing that there is another entirely different sequence of time that operate within the body, within the self. And this rhythmic maintenance of the body is dependant not upon your insistence that the body keep performing what you want it to do, but that in order for you to keep performing what you want to do, you must respect the body, its capabilities, its functions, and its relationship through flux time. Do you understand so far?

(Yes.)

KRIS: Now, by gently breathing and learning to pay attention, to your inner structure whether it be the lungs, the bones, your heart, being able to develop good visualization, understanding the principles that go into the construction of the body, releasing those block and tensions or traumas you have slammed deep into the body, hoping it would be buried and out of sight, out of mind, start to release it by recognizing that the affected bodily parts are indeed functioning out of sync with their surrounding areas. And when such is noticed, the idea would be to bring the affected body parts back in sequence with the flow of time as the body knows it. In its original intention the process itself is not difficult but its comprehension sometimes may escape you. By altering your focus and consciousness to regulate once again the affected body parts to the overall sense of the flow of time in your body, you can easily learn to release the traumas, the stresses, and adversities you have buried in it as if it were somehow or other you are a municipal dumping ground for things you believe you are ill equipped to handle. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

KRIS: Even if your physical body is not adversely affected by symptoms of any kind it still behooves you to learn how to get in touch with the flow of time as it is experienced by your physical form structure: your muscles, and nerves, and bones, etc, etc, and you would therefore become so very familiar with your inner biological environment that when things go awry then you would be sufficiently equipped with tools that would enable you to release whatever trauma or other stress, so that it is not logged within the body itself, so that it can continue to serve your intentions and desires for many more years to come, for the body is a concrete materialization of certain intentions, and desires, and drives, and aspirations that you entertain. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes.)

So this is a simple enough method, that can greatly assist anyone who suffers from adverse conditions of one type or another, and as we have suggested it is not a cure-all but an enhancement to other conditions. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

Now, take a few moment’s break and we will return in due time.

Break, 8:15pm

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8:26pm

KRIS: We have suggested the development of the use of meditative moods because it would be far easier to enter such a mood then it would be sit yourselves down and seriously get in the business of meditating. By using moods you can overall affect the larger portion of your personality then you would by trying to meditate and at the same time fight off all of the potential interruptions to your meditation. Do you understand?

(Yes.)

As far as human ability to heal, in terms of an individual self, all individuals have the potential, but many are indeed ill equipped to even understand the principle without having to rely upon another, so it is imperative that your culture and your societies develop alternatives such as healers that understand the mechanism of the body and not simply grab a scalpel at the first sign of a difficult situation and gently or not gently scoop out the affected body parts. Do you understand?

(Yes.)

KRIS: Each individual then has the tools and potentials but many do not and have little understanding the mechanisms of self healing. in another time and place your cultures had many shamans and healers which helped bring the sick individual into one of these trance-like or meditative states and from within work the necessary mechanisms to bring the body back to a state of balance and harmony.

Now, this flux time within which the physical body itself is tied into also ties into those aspects or essences that we have referred to in the past as Balance and Harmony, and once you tap into those processes within your own essences then it is so much easier to bring the body back to a state of balance and harmony and regain your health, your well-being, your ability to demonstrate and live a joyous life. Do you understand?

(Yes.)

That is one of those important keys. By allowing balance and harmony room to do their brand of business, then indeed your upper layers of the personality that deal with synthetic time would themselves respond accordingly and be better equipped themselves to function within the structures of social harmony. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

So do you have questions for this evening?

MARK: Is there really a time that something becomes irreversible such as a sickness?

KRIS:Depending upon the psychological makeup of the individual and the challenges they have set up for themselves there are occasions when a health issue does become irreversible. It should be recognized then that another set of tools should be utilized to bring the individual into another state of balance and harmony where they can then start processing some of those elements that become necessary to allow transition outside and away from this body that is irreversibly affected, into another at another time and space.

There are also certain other conditions such as a loss of a limb for instance or such levels of bodily injuries that the body can no longer function as originally designed by that personality. Such conditions are also considered irreversible. Do you understand? From that point on if someone attending the individual’s needs is sufficiently perceptive then other resources can be used to use allow that individual to continue doing their work even if it outside into another body. Does that make sense to you?

LIDA: Is that why some people slip into a coma? They are actually trying to heal themselves?

KRIS: Some individuals are attempting the process. Some other individuals are also using that time in projecting their consciousness into other probable realities. For instance, many brain scans of those in comatose states will still indicate activity. Do you follow? Is it pertinent merely to bodily functions or does the brain activity occur in other layers where it is picking up electromagnetic pulse from the consciousness that is still active but outside of its own body? Do you understand?

Projections, though the one physically perceived form may appear comatose, the individual is still active, either laying the foundation for a future existence which may still occur in the past or also laying the foundation for activities that occur in dimensions other than the physical, so all types of situations are still le even though an individual appears to be in a coma.

LIDA: Can another individual affect the comatose individual?

KRIS: Indeed but not without the comatose individual’s permission. For instance, healers may try to cure the physical body with very little affect because the comatose individual’s personality is not dead and it is simply refuses to pursue that path at that time. Do you understand? Does that make sense to you?

Now if said healer simply gave and sent energy to the individual for the individual’s use as the individual deems necessary needed for their activity then another type of affect may be arrived at. If the individual recognizes that he or she may want to come out of the comatose state then they may use that energy to give them strength or they may also use that energy to severe all ties with that body and its environment and take up an existence into another lifetime. Do you follow?

LIDA: So it is really to provide energy without any condition?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Key word, UNCONDITIONAL. So in situations where medical science keeps someone on life support and they don’t want to be here and are in that comatose state, that would be a prime example of when they are off focusing elsewhere?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: So if wee take them off the machines they are free to go otherwise they can stay?

KRIS: Some personalities may very well understand that they do not need to truly concentrate on their form since the machine is maintaining it at the lowest level possible, then they will take the time to procure for themselves excursions.

MARK: Experiences for themselves but of a different nature.

KRIS: Indeed if and when they decide to regain consciousness they may or may not recall these [experiences while in coma] depending on the personality structure’s perceptions. Do you understand? So if the ego structure has been strongly influenced against recalling and accessing excursions outside the body field then the chances of reoccurring is slim to none. That again depends upon what the individual wishes to gain from the situation. some have recalled a great deal and some have recalled nothing.

But the human consciousness does not simply sit within the comatose body waiting for god knows what and whom to come home. There is always activity, researching, developing and creating. That is your nature.

MARK: It makes sense. Doesn’t it?

MARK: What about dance? I know that this is off topic in some way but people dance. This came up as a thought to some of the trance like states that your Shamans get into. Is dance in today’s society very much like bringing us into altered states?

KRIS: Many people do enter fluctuating alterations of perceptions whilst they dance because they are following a rhythm, a rhythm that beats to a different tune so to speak. Do you understand? If you listen to music, music is based upon what? It has to be based on a beat, a specific timing. Without that you have a cacophony of sound. The notes, the silences all build a sequence of beats that are timed. It is that rhythmic sound, the timing that is used by the unconscious, in therefore generating various altered states in the people in the dance rooms so to speak.

Next time you listen to any piece of music, try to listen to the rhythm which means the timing within the piece and if you have the time to pay attention to the timing in the music allow that to help you slip into an altered state. Do you understand? Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Again, without that time structure the musical composition is rather boring.

MARK: that is actually an excellent solution to the problem that I was discussing at break. I have had difficulty sitting down and slipping into ‘Psy-Time’ and of course I have been trying to force myself to meditate

KRIS: If any of you have the opportunity to listen to the music, the instruments in older cultures for instance, you will notice that this timing, the beat usually involves a reflective echo within the heart and the bloodstream and what areas of the brain are accessed and switched “on off” to ‘the time’, the neurological responses, the synaptic flows take on a different flux. They slip into flux time in varying degrees of course which affects, enhances and imposes the portion submerged, deeper responses to life that have to do with what is found in music itself. Do you understand? (19:00’s)

Do you have another question? What is the time? (8:47 pm)

When you have the opportunity this coming week, try, make some small concerted effort to notice what type of time you are responding to. Synthetic time or flux time, inner time and how does the latter have an effect upon your own rhythms, your own actions and behaviors and see what kind of responses that you come up with. Experiment, in so many words, see how your consciousness strays so slowly ever so slightly, bends with the flow of flux time and how it benefits you, much like sitting on the edge of a pool of time, occasionally dipping your toes and feet below the surface for the refreshing and cooling effects.

Do you think you are up to the task? Take great enjoyment in experimenting with these different time structures and it can alter what you feel and do with yourselves, how you respond to your ‘selves’.

Now then if you have no more questions, we will leave you to your joyous and timely selves, ever to wonder what kind of a good time yourself is having.

8:50 PM Session is thought to have ended.

After the session ended we began to discuss the material that we had just heard. I am having difficulty remembering what we discussed after that. I do remember Galo talking about how he can not do anything like watch TV, etc after working. He has to do something creative with his time. Galo is very much an artist and right now is unemployed, a situation that he is VERY happy with and comfortable with. A career in the arts is most suited to him. Retail, business, waitering are all professions that would not be suited to him. During periods of time that he does work he finds that when he gets off work he can NOT do anything such as watch TV or work on a computer. He HAS to read or draw or paint. He feels the need to get back in touch with his creative side [flux time].

Having recently moved to the city [Toronto] from the country [Caledon], Galo also made a comment about the difference between the two.

9:10 Pm Kris makes a come-back.

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KRIS: It is also familiar to hear of ‘Country Time’ and ‘City Time’. This is a very good example of how the personalities are affected and driven by creating synthetic time sequences. City time is often centered around Business Time where everyone makes a concerted effort to organize their time and their lives according to and around the nine to five unless of course most of your cities are open twenty-four hours a day and that is simply an extension of that.

In such an atmosphere a very different version of reality is subscribed to where higher and higher levels of stress are encouraged with apparent results of higher and higher standards of living. Most of which is illusory.

Now in country time you have a general picture of somewhat ideal conditions where one awakens at the rise of dawn to listen to the chirp of the robin, the sound of the rooster and the cows and so on and so forth. That lifestyle generates a different atmosphere where apparently one is more in tuned with the rhythms of the seasons where one is more supposedly more laid back, where times and even distances are even organized to the sound of a country minute or a country mile, give one or two hours or miles. So the general diversification of both of those atmospheres can become quite apparent to either side and still this only provides an approximation of what we are driving at with this issue. Do you understand?

Now even within the city it is still possible to still tap into those deeper reservoirs of another sequence of time and rhythms where in the city one can still experience country time because there are also many occasions where in the country one lives according to city time. Do you understand? So the individual is able to organize their perceptions and live in a different manner than the environment, the psychological environment that they generate in that society. None the less, both are creative use of synthetic and flux time and there are again many permutations of it. So it behooves the individual and his or herself to determine what kind of influences they will allow in their lives from their responses which kind of timing they wish to incorporate within it.

Each and every one individual on this planet has this potential. So it is truly up to the individual to pay attention, to understand what kind of atmosphere, psychological atmosphere they allow to influence them. Just as you have noticed that you [Galo] react to different atmospheres. If you are overly influenced by one synthetic time you begin to feel its effects. If you are influenced by flux time to one degree or another you notice the effects. Certain elements in your own personality rise and recede like the tides in response to where you plug yourself, so to speak, in terms of time atmospheres. Do you understand?

So it is reasonable to determine that you have choices in what types of focuses that you wish to operate. Does that not make sense?

GALO: Yes. Start making creative use of my time.

KRIS: Indeed and use it to your fulfillment. Now does that not cap off the evening ever so nicely and in a timely fashion, so we will leave you to ponder those timely mysteries and if you do have the opportunity play around with the exercise that we provided earlier. Do have a good evening.

9:17 PM Again session is thought to have ended. Andrea and Lida leave. Galo stays to chat.

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Background:

It was long after most of guests had left. There were three of us talking about the bird flu, etc. I commented on, how if you noticed what is going on regarding the health of the world right now where there is much talk of pandemics, SARS, bird flu, etc and compare it to what is going on politically you will see similarities to the events that occurred in Europe during the plagues.

Europe and the known world suffered the plagues because unconsciously, on another level of consciousness it was realized that the only remaining way to effect change on a grand scale was through wide spread death and disease.

Looking at the politics of the error, we had the Inquisition torturing and killing Heretics, anyone who thought differently than the Church’s policies of the day. Entire communities were murdered in the name of God and the Christ. The entire middle class was eliminated and MOST people lived in such poverty that raw sewage flowed down the streets. The higher class or upper echelon consisted mainly of church officials and royalty living in extravagance.

I was making a statement that in the news lately there is widespread fear and stories of massive pandemics and sickness. I compared this with the political structure and behaviors of the world today. Again, like in old Europe there were similarities. The general public is feeling overwhelmed with fear and are feeling that they do not have the power to change it.

It was at this point that Kris decided to re-enter the room and add to the discussion.

10:02 PM Kris Re-Appears:

KRIS: Now, just as earlier on we suggested that you learn to pay attention to the inner fluxes of time within your body, to the organic time in your body and be able to discern when various regions start becoming out of sync due to your activities which eventually creates disease in your organs so can you learn to see, perceive the larger body of mankind and ever so cleverly learn to discern those regions of the human map and larger organic body on a global scale and learn to discern where certain regions are out of sync as well.

You will be surprised by the amount of information you can grasp, the insights that you gain. Do you understand? Again, some of the more recent developments are symptoms. They are “Red Flags” that [symbolize that] the collective unconscious is experiencing struggles and challenges and that certain elements are out of sync. One of the most dire [red flags] is what the potential American Regime may set about. Do you understand? Or at least that it has now the potential to be a regime.

If you were to study the methodology of the Inquisition and then you carefully study the methods developed by the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler’s Regime and then begin to study America over the last twenty years. You will begin to see a frightening pattern developing. One of the basic building blocks or equations to set up this entire regime or machine is the creation of a common enemy.

The Inquisition, the Third Reich lumped many groups and labeled them of the same stripes. The Inquisition had the Heretics which were various and even numerous groups spread over Europe and separately they presented almost no threat at all but once you categorized them all together and give them the label of ‘Enemy’, the Heretics, then you have a common enemy, something to drive the fears of the population to one common goal, the elimination of the enemy. Do you understand?

The Third Reich needed the same formulation. What group would best foot the bill so to speak?

GALO: The Jewish People.

KRIS: Indeed and though they were dispersed and separately of little threat to anyone. As soon as they were catalogued in the same group, whether they were in Poland or in France or in Vienna or any other region and simply called ‘The Jews’, the enemy and start creating myths about how they are undermining everyone’s goals, then you have a purpose, drive the populace’s fear into one goal and therefore eliminate the source of that fear, The Jews. Do you understand?

Now you have the beginnings of a common enemy. The enemy COULD BE man or woman, COULD BE Muslim, COULD BE Iraqi, COULD BE Shiite, COULD BE anything…

MARK: COULD BE Canadian.

KRIS: But it is labeled now, TERRORIST and then they slowly start cultivating, like the deep sea bottom trawlers, you trawl for fear. If you do not find enough, you CREATE IT! And you drive it towards the common enemy. Do you understand? This is an insidious process indeed but it is now becoming perceivable and dangerous.

Ultimately your collective consciousness will reverse this. Hopefully it will learn before it is reaches TOO FAR on this road to destruction. Do you follow?

It is by understanding yourselves and knowing that no amount of counter violence can ever bring about peace. It is not justifiable because the counter violence creates the violence in the first place!

Eventually your species will learn but it will take time. For some unknown reason you are often very hard headed and it is difficult to drive the lesson home that YOU CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY, singularly and collectively. That you would not have created the conditions and the situations that will lead you to discover those answers had you been ignorant of this one basic rule of creation, ‘that you create’!

Indeed we leave yourselves to your Joyous selves and do have a good week.

Session Ends 10:12 PM

Flux Time and Clock Time

February 16, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Galo Chan and Mark C. Bukator
Recorded February 16, 2004 in Toronto, Canada
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© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Galo Chan and Mark C. Bukator are in attendance.

Topic is a continuation of Human’s Relationship with Nature which is a reflection of Man’s Relationship with Himself. Kris then went on to continue his previous work with time. He described “Clock Time” and what he has dubbed “Flux Time”. He will at a later date tie these two together.

8:30PM Session Begins

KRIS: Now that your new gizmo is functioning perfectly well, it is time to continue. Our last week we spoke about the estranged relationship between humankind and nature, and we tried to present a point of origin in so many words for the beginnings of your present momentum and your belief structures that have led to the present day estranged relationship with the natural world. And we also identified that this relationship is a reflection of how many people view the relationship they hold with their own inner selves which to many does not exist. And in order to facilitate the denied inner self, in order to continue the idea that mankind has only one relationship that is a relationship with the idea that human existence is a flame soon to be extinguished when the wick wears out or the wind blows the flame out. One way or the other, human existence, either privately or collectively, will be extinguished like the flame by which there is nothing else.

Now it requires a vast a mount of psychic energy to uphold and maintain such a poor cosmology because it goes against the innate understandings that lie ever so slightly below normal awareness within the personality. And in which time something stirs that slumbering cognition, additional energies are brought forth and used to keep it silent so as not to upset the standard established of the modern lifestyle in terms of what you think about life and its inevitable end.

So it is important to understand that for the most part those notions about existence and its inevitable end are fabrications, synthetic overlays laid upon the natural perceptions that exist within the personality. And there are even individuals who would go to great lengths to make certain that these rather dire worldviews and perceptions are maintained at all cost.

Now in order to maintain such shaky psychological constructions or synthetic worldviews there is a need to use time in a very specific manner. We have over the last few sessions also talked about time and how it is perceived generally through one narrow opening so to speak, whereas time is multifaceted, and the type of structures cultivated by the human personality to maintain its present worldview conditions are rather artificial or synthetic. It is constructed time, whereas the true nature of the personality, the roots of the personality exist in an entirely different type of time construction and order. This is not the easiest of topics to explain because you have very specific syntactical structures concerning the use of time that makes it difficult understand any other precepts of time that possibly be organized differently.

The uppermost layers of the personality which also involve the ego have established their own organizations of timelines and timeself in order to meet its own needs. This has become the standard. You may also refer to it as “clock time”. There is another time that exists that actually consists of the foundation for any other time, of organized time concepts or structures. You may call it the “Eternal Now”, the “natural time”. We would refer to it as flux time because its true nature is in a constant state of flux, but you must understand that your standard definitions of flux usually include inconsistencies, instabilities, unreliabilities, and other similar randomness. But in our view, flux time also indicates that it is in a perpetual state of motion. It flows much like various layers of currents within the ocean itself, each layer quite possibly having its own temperature, and its own densities of salted or non-salted waters, and so and so forth.

This flux time indeed is composed of a multitude of layers that are taken and organized to suite the needs of the human personality and ego structure, basically being reorganized to follow very specific neurological patterns and pathways in the human mind much of which is dependent upon the firing of the neurons from one synapse to another. Once a particular pattern of firing is established within the brain of the personality, then those of that particular pattern, the firing pattern, stays as much as possible within its own parameters, but providing the personality an outlook upon reality that is fairly consistent with its own ideas and convictions concerning the flow of events and circumstances with its own life and the life of others, generating a field that is assumed to be fairly consistent, in that with various generations has now been established as your “clock time”. A rather synthetic structure that suite the needs of the personality. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

And all the while ever so slightly beneath these synthetic time layers throws the true nature of what we have termed flux time, where parallel events and other psychological constructions, the much deeper and ancient, have their eves and tides, each rising to the surface being then organized into the structures unless they do not fit the pre-organized and synthetic structures of time and their sequences and then are usually eliminated.

Now the human personality does accept these other layers of time structures and flux time when the body sleeps. Thus it resources itself with various elements as they are experienced in the dream states which also tap into flux time, where for instance weeks of your experiences, circumstances, conditions, and events may have their existence within moments…

MARK: All of which are as equally valid as the “clock time” events…

KRIS: Even more so because it is those inner structures of flux time that give the human personality the blueprint to establish clock time, reorganizing it with very specific sequences of firing within the neurons, and a very specific reason. So for the human personality, clock time is important for it helps define the contours and the parameters of your human experience, but only within a set of boundaries. And it is why it usually takes training to bring conscious perceptions along when you experience projections of consciousness in to other realities, probabilities, because the structures of time are so different than the conscious perceptions of it.

In flux time for instance, the rest of nature has its being because it is not hindered by conscious perceptions where human individuals are. So on the one hand, the lifetime of one sequoia or baobab tree can last hundreds of years of your human time that is only one of those lifetimes for those trees. At the same time, the ant or the bee has an entire lifetime within two of three weeks of your human time and even less. So you each experience lifetimes differently. Do you also follow?

(Yes.)

And it is also quite possible to readjust certain aspects of clock time as experienced within your awareness so that you can either expend or contract your perceptions within flux time and its variations otherwise such as being able to sense the time experience from the sequoia’s point of view, or from the ant, or from the dog, or from the fish or the bird, or from the mountain who’ lifetime may literally span millions of your years. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

And yet overall all of this takes place within the context of flux time. So this is a most fascinating and potentially extraordinary subject of exploration, with one drawback, is that to explain time and its varieties, takes time, so that we will give you a most timely break.

(9:00pm)

KRIS: Now that we have been keeping the eyes closed for some time, perhaps for your camera we will open Joseph’s lovely eyes.

The notions of times we have tried to expand upon does require a considerable amount of understanding, some of which is beyond Joseph’s comprehension right now. But try and understand it at least from the perspective of your own physical bodies.

Your entire physical structure is dependent upon the manner in which your personality has structured time, has created a synthetic time network that enables your organs, your limbs, your ears and your nose, your teeth, your hair to grow without any due consideration on your part. It does so literally miraculously. You do not have to sit there and ponder about your toes, your nose, your ears growing. You have not ever given a single thought to how your liver or stomach or heart or lungs has developed and grown to accommodate your lifestyle. You have not ever had to worry your pretty heads about any of these things. And in its own time your physical bodies have grown nicely without much interference from you. The physical organism depends upon this inner structure that has been superimposed with the kind of time needed in physical reality. Do you understand?

(Yes)

And this is most important because this structuring of time sustains you your whole lives long. And the manner in which flux time is organized and the manner in which you interact with it enables you to have a set of experiences; neurological, psychological, and physical quite different form the rest of nature.

As we have described earlier, you may want to check your mechanism…

(Galo, looking through camcorder viewfinder. Machine stops just after Kris mentions it.) “Eject, eject, eject…”

KRIS: Indeed. It has ejected in due time.

(Laughs.)

KRIS: Now, as we pointed out earlier, the magnificent sequoias, baobab trees, or any kind of majestic oak or any tree, has a different structure of time perceptions. And in their own natural environment, they do not look like trees. That is your interpretation of that consciousness interacting with your fields, including synthetic time.

The same with most of the creatures found within nature: the flowers, the bees, the bears, the birds, the whales, and so on and so forth. Each in a way are interconnected to this grid that you have synthetically organized as clock time in order for you to perceive their consciousness or their impressions within your outer fields of events.

But you yourselves as human beings can learn once again to dip into those ever so slightly below the surface layers of flux time. It is said that approximately one-tenth of the iceberg floats above the water’s surface. In a similar manner then, your artificial structures of time, clock time, ride upon a much larger structure, nine-tenths or more of which literally disappears beyond the sight of your perceptions. When, and because of lack of attention because you focus wearing psychological blinders in order to maximize your experiences with the physical world and this is important because it gives you focus, direction, an intensity of experience that cannot be had in any other manner. So this human and time experimentation is, and has, the utmost validity but only within its context. And as soon as you become aware of the larger dimensions of flux time upon which you float then it necessitates that you spend some time exploring those larger dimensions of life.

So we will if you are in agreement at another time continue and delve into the explorations of some tools and resources that enable you to open up and expand your awareness in such a manner that you bring into play different neurological firing patterns in the brain to alter perceptions, to alter acknowledgement of a vaster reality within which you have your context. Do you follow?

(Yes.)

Then we send you our warmest wishes and may your journeys through time indeed be significant.

End: 9:10 PM

Man and Nature 2

February 9, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Galo Chan and Mark C. Bukator
Recorded February 09, 2004 in Toronto, Canada
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© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Mark C. Bukator and Lida and Galo Chan present

(7:43pm)

KRIS: It is always nice and welcoming to see our old friends and to see new friends as well. We hope that you are all comfortable. Now, the last session to which you participated and added of your own images concerned man’s estranged relationship with nature and the natural world, do you recall?

(Yes.)

KRIS: Then, we wish to bring some of that back because all together it will eventually flow into a more expanded base of information relating to the material already given for the Nine Sisters sessions.

Now, there are many fantasies that abound in the minds of the more naïve people who get involved in metaphysical and New Age-isms, though not all have gone beyond their naivety, and they (some) have also gone beyond the thresholds of naivety and they have understood even profound things.

We mention this because there is the notion that ancient man, and in the eyes of some that is not that probable where mankind had a fairytale-like relationship with the world of nature almost as if paradise in the biblical terms was an event that occurred on yesterday’s news. And so many have failed to grasp the realities of events and struggles with nature, something that has always been part of the balancing act of mankind’s presence in the physical world and that presence in relation to the natural world.

However, even though mankind has often struggled with the natural world there was a time when it was quite a common occurrence to still come across large segments of society that had an easier, better established understanding of the processes of the natural world. Often, large segments of society and in some places entire cultures had centred their existence about a healthy, respectful cooperation with the natural world and learned to coexist with other animals and plants, forests in such a manner that all systems were balanced, that all relationships brought a healthy beneficial equilibrium in all and for all lives concerned.

It is a well known historical fact that in what is called the Stone Age there were many religions and cultures all over the known world that practiced goddess/mother earth worship, nature worship, and so on. What is not carefully understood is that many of these old cultures and civilizations were for the most part written about in the Victorian era, an era that was still steeped in Christian dogma and doctrine, and an era where the new found religion of science was starting to lock horns with the more established religions, specifically Christianity.

And through the eyes of the early researchers’ misinterpretations based upon rather draconian religious views were used as the lens though which to view and interpret some of these older cultures. It has taken your societies and present day scientific minds nearly one hundred and fifty odd years to understand those misinterpretations. And depending on the slant of the researchers and scientists today, some of these older interpretations may be considered quite adequate still, not thinking that religious prejudices would have possibly been involved in interpreting findings, ancient writings, and so on and so forth.

Most of these revolve around the notion that mankind’s ancestors were perhaps only slightly elevated above the level of the primate and may not necessarily have had the intelligence to understand the world within which they create and had their being. And the difficulties come when those ancient lifestyles are interpreted through the filters and lens of religious dogmas, and a poor understanding of the old cultures interpreted through a closed mindset.

Early mankind’s associations and relationships with the natural world often are turned into and labeled as classic examples of nature worship and relegated to the realm of the superstitious because the industrial age being in its infancy, the beginnings of the modern times, also in its infancy, could not tolerate that an ancient culture of man could have had understandings that rivaled or surpassed his own. And add to that the still heavy hand of religious doctrines and it makes for a very explosive rendition of ancient cultures and understandings.

It is prior to that, only by a few hundred years that another nail was driven into the understandings of old cultures’ understanding of the natural world and this prior stage later was to be heavily responsible for the more modern Victorian / Post Victorian views about the natural world.

Prior to this setting, at the very onset of what we call “The Age of Heresies” or what is historically known as “The Age of The Inquisition”, there were still large pockets of cultures throughout Europe and the known world then that still had respect for nature. In fact, many lived, many people lived in forests. Large tracks of Europe were still heavily forested, that is until the Holy Roman Church and the Vatican decided to set about certain priorities and policies to eliminate any competition that could possibly come its way.

This competition was quickly labeled Heresies, which basically meant that any one individual found to disagree with whatever doctrine the Church had enforced that day was deemed a Heretic and could lose his or her life on the spot, unless of course the Inquisitors were thirsty for torture which is another story all together.

At that time, many of the people living outside of the mainstreams, away from the bigger villages where the local Bishops had their small localized empires and where these sometimes quite considerable groups of people living in the forests themselves deemed themselves to be beyond the reach of the long arm of the Church and the Bishops, they had to be brought into the fold so to speak. So an elaborate plan was set about to change not only the social structure of European society, but even the very geographical face of Europe at that time.

The repercussions of the views and the rules and the decrees and the dogmas developed at that time in the name of combating Heresies still influence your societies and your mindsets today, even after four, five and six hundred years. Not yours personally but yours in terms of your general culture and THAT also affects your relationships with nature and your relationships with yourselves. Some of the beginnings of those relationships had their birth around that time and the result of the new view espoused by the Vatican. We will get into those after break. We do not wish to give a heavy handed history lesson but to give you some background as to some of the sources for some of your present social ills. Do you understand? (Yes). Indeed then do take a break.

8:05 PM Break Starts

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8:20 PM Return from Break

KRIS: Now to continue with the small and humble history lesson, you should realize on your own that your ancestor’s relationship with the Earth and nature had nothing to do with revering nature, the trees, the mountains and the Earth itself or their Priests and Priestesses as veritable deities but mores so as expressions of the DIVINE ASPECTS, and that should be two words capitalized, DIVINE ASPECTS of still a larger concept. Man sought to cultivate a relationship with that nature and those DIVINE ASPECTS because there was an innate understanding, whether it was fully acknowledged or not, there was an innate understanding that somehow or other each individual human being, man, woman or child, young or old, regardless of background and affiliations had a unique relationship with those DIVINE ASPECTS, somehow, somewhere.

This is why the established Roman Church at the time of the Inquisition set out to completely or at least at best as it could, once and for all, lay a heavy hand and heavy rule to change the nature of mankind’s relationship with nature and the DIVINE ASPECTS. The reasoning is quite simple and just as frightening. It was surmised and finally understood that as long as people, individuals, maintained that they had a direct link, a unique relationship with those DIVINE ASPECTS then ultimately, they would express their own authority and NOT accept the authority of the local bishop who was himself a representative of the head of the Church, the Vatican and the Pope.

So if you believe in some form of conspiracy then this is a rich vein of conspiracies indeed for they are implicating and putting into action those new sets of creeds and rules. The entire face and mind set of Europe and the known world was transformed from that moment on.

Those large segments of the population that lived outside the villages, in the forests themselves, in the hills and mountains were then considered suspect and if they could not be subjugated and brought under the control of the Church by whatever and any means necessary, then they represented an ultimate threat to that authority. And because it was deemed that the head of the Church was the living representative of God, then anything that wasn’t under his authority was most likely under the authority of what the Church labeled as its opponent and what later became known as Satan, a source of evil. This philosophy was propagated with wild abandonment.

Then if you lived in a forest, if you relied upon nature for your cures, for your sustenance, you could easily be considered a free thinker, one who defies the authority of the Church and such a trait would not be tolerated. Thus you either fell in line with the new status quo, or you lost your head and sometimes people were not given a choice. Many villages in their entirety were burnt to the ground, forests flattened and burnt. The inhabitants of the village were often slaughtered wholesale. The philosophy was that at some point God would save you but not in the eyes of the Church itself.

It was indeed a dark period of human history because it also meant that if you dared think differently, there was a likelihood that the inquisitor would take you away to be tortured incessantly until you abandoned all thoughts other than the ones that the Church wanted you to hold. It was indeed such a dark time that people would often be afraid to speak to their neighbors and your neighbors would be encouraged in ratting you out even if they did not like the way that you wore your hair because they stood a chance of gaining your properties once the inquisitor had done his dark deeds with you.

MARK: The scary part is that I am seeing resemblances with much of what is going on the United States right now. Homeland security and terrorism, people are afraid to speak out for fear of what the government will do to them.

LIDA: Also during the Second World War it happened too.

MARK: It’s the same idea reoccurring.

KRIS: In fact, the Gestapo, the SS and other Third Reich secret societies learnt their methods by studying the books and the histories of the Inquisitors. Do you understand? So the Inquisitors set a precedent.

Now in those days if you lived in the forest you were at risk, so the local bishops would see to it to clear large tracks of forests by whatever means necessary and take the lands in the name of the Church, thereby tripling the real estate owned by the Church. They had learned some of those lessons from their own history prior to the year 1000 A.D.

Now in this age of heresies, if thoughts were suspect all of this exercise [Inquisition] with an iron fist, was to make certain that you, in this case your ancestors fully understood the implications of daring to entertain the possibility of a direct relationship with the DIVINE ASPECTS, because in the Church’s eyes the only way that you could hold a relationship with the Divine was through the authority of the Bishop, the Priest and the Church. Any claims otherwise would guarantee horrid torture and ultimate death.

That meant that people all over Europe and eventually to the Americas had to drastically alter how they viewed their relationship with the world and with nature and everything that even smacked of a naturalist relationship was dangerous to your health.

This also meant that your ancestors could not afford to explore the relationships they had that nature bestows upon them with their own selves, whether it is at philosophical or physical level because it could get you killed. That entailed a massive psychosis and subjugation of the populaces of Europe to such a degree where few of the Elite dominated legions of the poor, which in its own way eventually lead to a rebellion through disease, by the onslaught of several plagues that ultimately wiped out at least half of Europe to enable the start of new conditions.

That fear of entering into any type of direct relationship with the DIVINE ASPECTS found in nature for example has not been forgotten by your collective psyche. Even to this day it is still suspect though more and more pockets of individuals and segments of society are willing to venture into those relationships once again. Do you understand?

We are describing this to give you a small history lesson because it implies how estranged your own relationship with your natural self is and that estrangement is reflected in how you treat your natural self is the way that you treat nature itself. Does that make sense to you? That was a question!

Yes it does make sense.

KRIS: Your relationship with your own natural selves needs to be bridged, cultivated and explored to the degree where you are comfortable with it because even though you may not yet see where you are linked up as individuals in the great scheme of the cosmos, or the universe or reality, what you undergo and experience in your subjective views still influences the masses and you have an indirect means of bringing about a direct influence.

Of course we do not expect any of you individually to make a deep impression and transform the world overnight. But if there are two, then four, then eight then sixteen then thirty-two and so on and so forth. You can indeed start exerting certain degrees of influence in your own circles in ways that you may not even expect, that can slowly change the tides, so to speak where you once again as a species start recognizing your participation in the natural world because you would once again be enchanted. You would once again marvel at the magical relationship that exists between how you treat yourselves and how you treat the natural magical world for they are all reflections of each other.

How you understand your natural selves, your true selves also leads to exploring vast unknown inner continents and landscapes within your psyches which lead you to new discoveries about whom and what you are in such a manner that indeed the world is magically transformed because you are magical beings.

Now we know that none of you went to the Harry Potter School of Magic but you each have magical properties and the only way that you can find those out is to get in touch with the Inner nature of yourselves. Once you do that you automatically get in touch with the outer nature. Do you follow?

Now what is the time? <8:45 PM>. Then will give you a short break and let you ponder the meanings of those mysteries.

Break starts 8:45 PM

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Session Resumes Briefly at 8:51 PM

KRIS: The questions that are and need to be asked and are not answered and remain invisible, those are the inquiries that need to be important, such as: what is your relationship to the natural world, or do you believe as your sciences have taught: nothing more than the biological bio-mass of insignificant stature and scale of the cosmos that after a few brief years your existence is eliminated. Or is there something more that merits your investigation?

Is there truly something like the facts: whom are you, what are you? Are you nothing more than a bag of bones and blood? Or is there something beyond such dry and speculative conjectures??

Holding a skeptical mind frame is good, because it leads to questioning. But holding a skeptical mind frame for the only purpose of exhibiting skepticism and turning the answers to your questions away, is indeed a gross misuse of your inquisitive faculties.

Inquiring minds receive answers, and a true scientific endeavor is one where the mind inquires and the individual sees the questions, and appreciates the answers and does not turn them away. This also applies to your relationship with nature and the world.

And WHAT nature?? Is it merely the NATURE that exists in your back yards, or does it also ‘include’ the nature that exists IN and WITHIN your very being? And what is the nature of that being and how is that being part of the natural world? These are questions that are NOT often asked, if they are, they are often proselytized as if insignificant.

So we give you this small presentation then, to encourage you to use the grey matter. It is not merely all cotton stuffing your skull. It (brain) enables you to function in three- dimensional physical reality, because it is the material form of another nature of yours, your spiritual nature, just as your body is.

So we leave you then to ponder these unponderables and to use your grey matter and to enjoy the discoveries you make along that road. Do have yourselves a most pleasant and natural week

End – 8:57 PM

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KRIS: You do not think we are going to leave behind your most interesting natures?

LIDA: Why would mankind need to go through these repeated “Dark Ages” throughout history??

KRIS: It has to do with various seasons of the soul, so to speak, which includes the Ego, which includes the nature of energy, the rational and intellect, within a type of framework. And when a collective Ego is still so fresh out of the box so to speak, it feels threatened by anything it does not comprehend yet so it will react and lash out often in a destructive manner and still it would not be the complete answer.

There are other elements that are involved behind those scenes of which there may be other elements involved behind those scenes as well. There are many reasons why either one individual or a collective of millions upon millions will take certain actions. In this particular path (this civilization experience), there is a need to explore the definitions of the intellect and rational mind but the experiment has gone much further than anticipated, almost to the point of loosing control of the experiment, and it is slowly being brought back over a scale of many hundreds and hundreds of years.

You also have to collectively, it seems not only learn about your origins but you have to re-acquaint yourselves with your own Source. Collectively you each have your agendas, and individually you each have your agendas, and together you are making the best of the situation to still find your way.

Some individuals are learning to listen, not only to our voice to their own Inner voices. You are in some ways then choosing to listen in part to your own Inner voice through the sound of our melodious voice.

This in its own way enriches both your and our experiences together. Do you follow then?

(Yes).

There are many different paths to the same understandings and hopefully ourselves and others alike can impart upon your race some understandings that will help you gain a sense of a much larger vista through which you will understand, that pursuing your experiment to the degree that it has and beyond that could prove disastrous for all in the long run so now you have to swing the pendulum to other way and find your sense of balance and harmony once again.

You have heard certainly of the parable of the Prodigal Son, so you can consider in some respect that large collectives of souls incarnate because they have a need to return to their sources, as in the Parable of the Prodigal son who returns home. So you are learning to return home, your natural home. You understand?

Now then we will take our leave of your most precious presences and hope you have a beautiful and natural week.

9:03 pm – End of evening.

Visual Time and Sound

February 3, 2004

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator and Galo Chan
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on February 03, 2004 at 9:40 PM
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© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

Mark Bukator and Galo Chan present.

This session is a continuation of “Enterprise Expanse” and “The Dimensions and Physics of Time”.

KRIS: Now we trust that all sounds well to you. We understand that you have many interests to peruse. Please isolate, feel free to isolate something to talk about.

MARK: Let’s start with “Visual Time” and the material that you typed there. < Referring to the Dimensions and Physics of Time>.

KRIS: Your experience of time is indeed much limited to your preconceived notions and the learned concepts handed down to you by your cultures. And depending upon your cultural background, your views will differ slightly though overall the modern rational intellectual notion of time is a rather poor interpretation of a vastly richer field of events that go well beyond your present understanding, even with your most air tight quantum physics as far as the nature of time is concerned. It usually rambles on like some kind of pinball machine between what you have labeled as the past, the present and your vague ideas of the future.

Having very little notion of what is truly involved because you are only perceiving reality through one window as if your entire house has only one window, the only window to give you a view of the world outside. You would indeed suffer much for missing out on all of the things that window would not allow you to see. Do you understand? Is that VISUAL enough?

KRIS: Now if you had surmised in this same analogy that there is definitely the possibility of other things to see outside of the house and you started to make holes or squares in other parts of the building to create openings. You might see many different things and views of your world. Perhaps you would realize that the original windows that you always looked out only looked out on the back yard but now you could create an opening that would give you a view of the front yard and the front walk and by creating another opening would give you a view of the apple orchard at the side of the house and perhaps going to the attic and opening the ceiling and creating a skylight you would see clouds and so on and so forth, giving you a broader look at what is outside. Do you still follow?

You present perceptions of time using this analogy are very much like using only one window to try to understand everything about the outside world and in this case, time. Once you explore the new windows that you have created then you get multiple perspectives which only broaden the horizons of your knowledge and peek your curiosity that much more, further edging you on to new discoveries and expanding your understanding of time and space that much more.

Now you mainly experience the traditional path of linear time because you have not bothered to think and see that there might be other strategies that can enable you to see the different perspectives on time. Most people consider that the past is behind them, that the present is before them in their face and the future is somewhere ahead of them to be reached after a period of psychological and timely travel. Do you follow? Thus those kinds of neurological paths have barricades all maintained by the status quo which keeps your experiences pretty much solid state.

It becomes problematic when you notice that there are fissures and cracks in the psychological and sociological structures concerning time and much more so when you understand that as an eternal and immortal consciousness, a being that has its existence beyond the regular definitions of time and space and that you can experience different species of time, different breeds of time where each psychological field of individual consciousness or personality actually interfaces with its environment in a manner that generates it own time frame and sequence. Do you have all that on your notations?

So though on the one hand it is of the utmost importance that your race understands that it has had a relationship, a most deep and intimate relationship with the universe both psychologically and physically and you have been around as your own species for countless of millions of years and all of the trials and tribulations and the joyous successes and failures that you have created for yourselves, there are still other galleries of the museums of time that you have not dared to explore and that specifically relates to how each individual consciousness actually generates its own field perceptions of time. Its own atmosphere directly related to the flow of time you need to view its interactions. You could basically call this a temporal atmosphere entirely psychological.

A temporal psychological atmosphere unique to each being and interacting with all others, still able to maintain its uniqueness because the individual is not his or her body, the body that you maintain, that image is but one of many and yet all of the images that you sustain still do not comprise all of the forms that is possible for you to maintain because you are beyond form as you know it and this temporal psychological atmosphere is a direct bi-product of the interface between your consciousness and the fields of all other consciousnesses interacting together.

If we use the analogy of the spheres again, each time at each point of interaction with the contact of all of the fields of the other spheres creates a totally different experience. Your universe and all that is, is not solely based upon creating a standard unified interface only but also maintains a highly individualized unique field for each conscious awareness within it and this a large open statement because you can not possibly imagine the large number of consciousnesses that we are involved in what we are trying to describe.

Suffice it to say that your individualized atmosphere creates and generates influences that literally play like a symphony upon the symphonies of all the other atmospheres generated by all of the other consciousnesses. Do you still follow so far?

Another example: Create a platform upon which you would place a tuning fork and upon the tuning fork upon this platform itself rests upon other tuning forks which are upon a platform that themselves are upon other tuning forks which are upon other platforms and so on and so on. Do you follow? Basically creating a pyramid created in layers of tuning forks. Now set one off. It will set off another then another and another until they are all active and each of the vibrations interfaces and interacts with all of the others literally simultaneously creating multiple symphonies of these sound vibrations. Each time one sound interacts with another it creates an entirely new symphony of sounds each one in turn generating another and yet another. Do you follow?

So this is in a manner of speaking another interpretation again of time in ways you had not yet thought of. Does that make some sense to you? That does not mean that we are able to pick up a pair of opera glasses and focus upon one segment or one species of time and tell you what your future will be but it should tell you that if you are focused upon one note in a cosmic symphony or one segment of time in some orchestra of time, it should also alert you to the possibility that there are other things that you can explore in another manner which you can explore time and that there are different ways in which you can explore time other than the one that you are accustomed to.

Now how does one even begin is another story for another time. So if you allow a small break perhaps we will begin our music.

Break Starts 10:02 PM

During break Mark and Galo talk about what Kris had just said. The conversation switches over to sound and music.

Second Session Begins 10:06 PM

KRIS: Why would you assume for instance that music is a unique human experience? Is it because as human beings you can pick up the fiddle and create some fiddling or that you create an arrangement, a composition, thus compose great arias, that is the human manner in which you interpret some of the deeper psychological experiences that move you. But to think that humans are the only creatures that create music is indeed a gross misunderstanding.

Have you never heard the sweet song of the nightingale? Emperors and famous leaders would sometimes give a king’s ransom to be able to hear the sound of the nightingale. Have you never found yourself alone and quiet in a forest and heard the symphony of sounds that surround you? From the sounds of the crickets, to the frogs, to the birds, to the bees, even to the sound, the great orchestration of the zephyrs and the breezes playing each leaf and whistling through the branches? Those too are great musical compositions of a different order. Do you follow?

Yes.

MARK: I wasn’t aware though that I said anything that was isolating… that is was only humans…

GALO:: Well, I thought that maybe music was a uniquely human experience…

KRIS: You have simply found a different manner in which to bring out their inner sounds. Where do you hear sound first before you compose it? In your head.

GALO: Or you heart.

KRIS: Indeed. It is an inner psychic, psychological event that is not limited to the hearing only. The hearing impaired also hear sounds as is attested by one of your great composers, Ludwig Von Beethoven. If you extended your ability to hear you would discover that sounds exist where you least expect sound to be, underwater! Sonar equipment has made your species understand that even underwater there are many kinds of sounds and great symphonies such as that played by the dolphins and the orcas and the whales and many other aquatic mammals. Fish also produce sounds. Simply because it is not within human ear range does not mean there is no sound to be heard. Do you understand?

Nodding yes.

KRIS: Dogs react to sounds that are well above the capacity of the human eardrum to detect. You do not also hear the solar symphonies that are created as the solar winds rush through space encountering various celestial bodies and their satellites generating vibrations and sounds unimaginable to the human mind. See those sounds exist even if there are no human binds to hear them. The human ear is quite a number of limitations, for instance you do not hear the sound of your own heart beating and yet your heart is not very far from your ears, correct?

(Yes)

KRIS: Now you could train yourself to hear it partially, but you would not hear it completely for it would create a rather deafening beat to the inner ear. You also do not hear sound of your own blood rushing through your veins. That is a good thing. You would discover that the roar would be as deafening as standing beside Niagara Falls.

You also do not hear the sound of you own body growing from fetus to infancy, though youth, through adulthood, and old age. Neither do you hear the trees grow, and the yet you can be rest assured that the barks of those trees produce sound as do their roots deep into the soil feeding upon the water and the nutrient-rich environment sucking up the gallons and gallons of water though their rootlets and root systems rushing these liquid nutrients through their limbs and trunk up toward the branches and the leaves. And neither do you hear the sound of the moisture escaping the leaves of the trees that produces clean air and moisture so that you can have fresh rain. Not do you hear the sounds of clouds releasing that moisture to feed the ground which will nourish the plants that will feed you and feed the rivers that bring you water. Do you understand?

Yes.

KRIS: So you live in a world filled with sounds you do not hear. And yet, for all of your human deafness, you somehow or other manage to create amazing arias and symphonies almost on a cosmic level. So you are indeed a rather complexed species and we say in the most loving manner possible. These things are indeed something to ponder that we have also not spoken much (on topics) from the sounds of your clocks and the electromagnetic chemical properties that are exchanged within the brain itself activated by the free interchange of thoughts. That is also something you can think about.

And with that we will leave you to your marvelous sound universe.

Galo whispering to Mark: I wonder how the music is like where he’s (Kris) coming from…

KRIS: Imagine…

KRIS: …trying to put sound to your thoughts…what do your thoughts sound like? You think of trees, you think of stairs, you think of pictures and each of these thoughts has unique sound properties to them.

GALO: So they overlap?

KRIS: Indeed they could do no better or otherwise. They are not boxed in, your thoughts, and the more you try to box them in the more they will try to break the barriers and frustrate you.

With that said we will leave you to your own thoughts.

10:19 PM Session Ends

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