Enterprise Expanse
January 30, 2004
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded January 30, 2004 at 12:30 AM in Toronto, Canada
Enterprise Jan 30 2004 1230am.wav
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc
KRIS: Now we will immediately thank Joseph for allowing such a late hour discussion. Your conversation is most apropos on many different levels. Understand that even though the history of the world is supposed to be about events and circumstances and factual recordings of both, and even though individuals may seem to take a second or even a third place to events and circumstances recorded by history, as if human interactions were mere footnotes. Understand that events and circumstances are the result of and are the intimate bi-product of human interactions. Without human beings history is meaningless. Correct?
So it is useless to try to sound objective and say that the facts of history are this and that and involve dates and involve conditions. If they cannot involve human beings then it is a bogus history. It is a made up history and is ultimately meaningless, as meaningless as a leaf falling in the forest, where there are only deaf people [to hear it not].
Now in some of your recent Enterprise (new Star Trek series) shows, (this you can send to your new acquaintance Paul), but in your new Enterprise show there is the depiction of the Spatial Expanse filled with anomalies generated by artificially created satellites that distort time and space. These distortions influence the vessels and the people on them that cross into the expanse where these generating stations are situated.
Now if you replace the stations with human beings, each sending forth their own wavelengths of distortions, their influences are themselves generated by their convictions and their expectations, out into the expanse of consciousness. Then you get a totally different interpretation of humanity and human interaction with the time and space continuum, do you not?
Indeed then each human being is a generator of events, conditions and circumstances that distort and create anomalies called ‘conditions, events and circumstances’, influencing the very fabric of time and space. Each one exerts an influence on the other as well as upon the fabric of time and space creating waves of distortions in this vast expanse of anomalies which is not truly a kind of anomaly, but directly the bi-product of spirit and flesh combining into one form per say or expressing each self into the human interface.
We do not use the word interface to demean it or diminish the importance of the interactive principals but those interactive principals generate inner and outer fields of events which are of only ONE kind, an inner field of event that is interpreted as an outer field of events by the observer consciousness, other focuses, other entities.
And these mold and give shape to the fabric of consciousness into different forms much like the artisan’s hands on the spinning wheel and the clump of wet clay having an unique intimate relationship. The artist’s mind and spirit, his or her hands and the clump of wet clay on the spinning wheel and through the desires and the intuitions of the artist, his or her hands become the creative vehicle through which consciousness will be given expression.
So you can say that the only true history of the universe is an intimate history, a history that involves human beings and that it always has! There could not have been a history before without human interaction and the active principals of consciousness. There simply is no such thing. Your scientists are barking up the wrong tree of consciousness and they say that the Big Bang came before. There is simply no observable form other than the form that creates the interactions themselves. They (interactions) are the bi-product of spirit and flesh. Do you understand?
In other words there is no time. There is no space that existed as such prior to any kind of human evolution because humans did not evolve in the Darwinian sense. Humans have always been. They (humans) are the expression, or one of the millions of expressions of consciousness and consciousness is an extension of something else, an attribute of. A human expression is one of those attributes itself. A unique focus of spirit and though you are simultaneously eternal and immortal consciousness you are far more than that. Those are mere attributes of the true self. Do you follow so far?
Then perhaps your friends on New World View might like that as well.
MARK: I think so as well. A question that comes to my mind is okay I thought that…Let’s start at the Big Bang as being the beginning of this Universe, this particular Universe, this dimension, even though I do know that there is a lot more to its creation than a big bang AND humans came into the picture about four hundred million years ago but from what you are telling me there is no history before humans so why just humans?
KRIS: We have NEVER said that humans began at four hundred million years ago we just only went that far back. There is still more and in that sense the numbers, the dates, the years really become meaningless because in the entire history of any universe there is NO beginning and NO end. It always has been and always will be. There are always cycles of change just as your planet has various seasons. Some are more extreme than others. Some seem to change less though there are still some variations.
Consciousness also has its own seasons. Some have such a vast span in terms of your views of time that it appears to cover several millennia where as your seasons can change several times in the span of one year. There are greater years in terms of shifts of consciousness for example, seasons of shifts.
MARK: That makes sense to me but what I was leading to wasn’t so much of dates, times and events but why humans? My impression is that consciousness creates it all and there would segments of time that consciousness creates, life and existence and mountains, rivers, streams, earth, planets, stars and suns and
KRIS: And all of those are their own sentience even if they are not recognized by your sciences. You may not act as if your oceans and bodies of water, salty or otherwise are merely giant toilets for ultimately depend on what; drinkable water or toilet water? You have to choose.
These are all variations upon the symphony of life. Some are high notes. Some are low notes and some notes exist in between the notes AND some notes make no sounds and similar with the elements of nature they are also the concretization of the musical notes of nature. Some of those notes in the symphony of nature appear as forests. Others appear as rabbits.
Others appear as fierce lions and tigers and others appear as kittens and puppies and newborn infants and the daffodil breaking ground in the spring and the oak leaf falling of the oak tree in the fall. Other notes appear as mountains and valleys. Others appear as brooks. Others appear as deserts and so on and so forth. They are a different kind of symphony but a legitimate symphony none the less.
So you are indeed surrounded by an enchanted creation, one of which your own personal energies are deeply embedded and in which you hold high stakes.
MARK: But the human portion is minimal compared to all that consciousness creates.
KRIS: Perhaps it appears so but none the less still an important note in this symphony that represents a kind of scale in this symphony of notes that could not be produced otherwise. The kind of music that could not be reproduced in any other fashion but by this expression through which nature experiences itself as a conscious being in very specific terms other than the ones that it also plays with in this symphony. Do you still follow?
MARK: Yes I do but I also think that we may have to expand on it at a later date.
KRIS: As always we are well aware that when you pay attention the seeds will blossom eventually.
MARK: I am seeing more blossoms by the minute.
KRIS: Then we will return Joseph to both of your selves.
Session Ends 12:42 AM
Wheel of Samsara
January 22, 2004
Online Chat with Kris
~Samsara – the circle of life and death ~
The following is an internet text chat we held of Thursday January 22, 2004 on the website www.channeling.ca (site now transferred to this one) with Kris. There were many interruptions, mainly from the chat window closing.
This file has been cleaned up, eliminating only those automated notices from the system announcing the chat had been closed, as well as only a few remarks made by Serge and chat room members in this regard. There were all told 7 people in the room.
This presented a mild challenge for Serge, as he had to switch his focus from Kris to the chat frequently. Overall everyone managed well.
Start8:00 PM.
SERGE: Hi guys, how is everyone?? Hope you are all having a great day and that we’ll have fun tonight.
Rachelka: Hi Serge, yes..
SERGE: Hi Marlene (Mom)..
pol..
Mindy..
Rachelka
SERGE: Are you all a bit familiar with the chat room environment and can navigate your way in it?
Hi RoadWitch.. thanks for joining us.
Pol: hello
hummm.. quiet in here… 
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Rachelka: What happened on Mars today?
Roadwitch: Hi – I haven’t quite got this figured out yet!
SERGE: the only person I know here so far is Marlene…
Hi Natasha welcome..
I’m not sure, I was going to see that bit on the news then I got a call so I missed it..
Roadwitch: Serge – Think “The Herald”
SERGE: maybe Marvin the Martian didn’t like his privacy invaded??
Rachelka: gggg
SERGE: Ah! Heralding the Herald today..
Roadwitch: Huh!
SERGE: Now, I hope that there will only be a few typos here and there….already I make typos.. jeezz eheh
Mindy: Hi this is new to me so I’ll listen for a while.
Natasha: Hi to all – I’ll listen too…
SERGE: cool… usually, Kris will give a bit of a talk then he’ll quickly wrap up.. then open the floor for questions…. it is best to try to follow as that will allow you all to benefit (including myself).. keep your questions till then.. that will allow the flow to ‘flow’.. and we’ll all be flowing.. this is also a bit different for me, as I know i can type for Kris.. but this format is a bit new.. so if you’ll be gentle it’ll be greatly appreciated.
Rachelka: sure
Roadwitch: But you really should have practiced your typing, you know….
SERGE: Ok.. so without further delays.. give a rousing hand of applause for the dead guy.. I’ll give my keyboard to him in a sec.. all approve??
Mindy: Absolutely
Paulfonzo: Sounds good to me, hello all…
Pol: absolutely
Roadwitch: yup!
Rachelka: yup…
KRIS: – Welcome to our little cyber chat everyone.. Joseph, which is a name we have given Serge, was more than hesitant with this idea, but we convinced him to give it a try…
There are many different ways for people with this ability to exercise their inner Communications strategies and this is one of them.. just as you are accustomed in your day and age to receive communications from the newspapers, the television, the radio and
Now the internet.. so are you all receiving communications from other ‘systems’ constantly, though you may be slightly less aware of the processes.. some individuals are learning to tap into this inner network of communications.. and tonight we’ll try to shed some illumination into the cyber of space..
Rachelka: sounds good to me…
KRIS: Joseph is being a bit more careful than usual with his typing, even though some errors have already slipped in.. so be it…
Now, we proposed this evening’s topic for several reasons. And it is not a small topic by any means as some in the room will attest.
Samsara.. a word that means little to most Westerners, simply because it is different.
To Easterners, Samsara is a philosophical statement that has far reaching implications.
In a watered down version, it simply means “The Wheel/Cycle of Life and Death”.
This implies divergent and sometimes complicated views of reincarnation, karma, punishments; actions leading to reactions on many levels and so on.
Putting this in as few words as possible is most difficult, because Samsara is an entire cosmology that reaches into the psyches of millions and millions of people and has been entrenched in so many minds for several thousand years.
As we were saying, this is a cosmology that has been entrenched in the psyches of millions upon millions of people for many thousands of years and not easily cut through.
Our point in bringing this up is that it represents a matrix or collective of the Human Race’s collective convictions that have a long standing association with Humanity, and is often accepted sight unseen, without much question.
Again, the views that are espoused in this Cosmology do appear strange to Western minds, but are really not that strange once some of the basic premises are examined.
In fact, if you examine the Western World’s predominantly Judeo-Christian views, and those of Buddhism for instance, you’ll notice many similarities, so many in fact it goes beyond the mere lines of coincidences.
And though is it believed that Ancient Vedics assembled their growing cosmology into a vast body of writings over many thousands of years ago the roots go well beyond those assumptions.
Samsara teaches a powerful world view, one that cannot be ignored, as it also appears imbedded in Western mystical writings although it may have some differences and some seemingly negligible offshoots.. the roots all come from an attempt of mankind’s consciousness changing focus, the developing ego and the development of the rational mind.
Samsara’s core teachings revolve around the idea that the physical world of the senses is a place of pain and suffering, a place not far off from the standards views of the hellish.
A place where ‘desire’ creates actions that must then be followed by ‘reactions’.. in short a constant return to the cycle of life and death.
Though there is an attempt to establish a way out, a door to safety outside the system (of pain and suffering), the philosophy seems to also, simultaneously strike at the very innate nature of the Self to desire.
Stating that the cause of our wanderings in the world of Samsara is our nature to “desire’, which sets into motion the wheels of Karma.
Not unlike the Judeo-Christian views where there are all types of ‘sins’ the mortal or carnal self makes because it (carnal self) is set up.. set up against a set of man made rules and views that pit man’s innermost creative abilities against its very own nature!!
Rules and sins are cleanly and clearly laid out, and punishments also listed.. and the vast majority of these sins all relate to the Self OWN creative thrust into the world of adventure.
In Eastern thought, these translate into Karma inducing actions which must be neutralized in some way through the wheels of life and death (Samsara), in an attempt to end the cycle of creation itself.
It is reasoned that “Desire” put you in this soup in the first place, so if you follow these edicts and rules, you will diminish your ‘desiring’ nature and elevate yourself above the carnal world of sin/karma, then the reasoning is that if you stop, or end your ‘desiring’ nature you will be free… but our question is, what will you be free of???
Paulfonzo: exactly what I was wondering…
KRIS: Since this world view/cosmology insists that the physical world is a place of pain and suffering, it stands to reason, that you will be free of the source of pain, correct?
The cosmology as it is still present today has not been revised or brought up to date for a few thousand years… even though, imbedded in it, in plain view, is the statement that your desiring creates the world..!!!!!
This is an early attempt by the Speakers to illuminate a group of people with some profound means of dealing with their reality.. but instead they took it and applied only those aspects that could be used to their own benefit.
This is what we mean: In many Judeo-Christian beliefs, there are rules against a truck load of sins, and those who make the rules all know that there is no way human beings can avoid the vast majority of them, but if you proclaim a thing a sin, you can create a punishment, as in Eastern thought and Karma.
This is where it gets ugly.
If you know people behave in a certain way, and you set that ‘way’ as a ‘sin’ and you are the only one offering salvation or atonement from that sin, it stands to reason that you have a sure fire way of having the ‘sinners’ eat out of your hand and are then able to use this ‘carrot’ to your advantage.
As we mentioned earlier, imbedded right in the Cosmology of Samsara, as well as other scriptures and sacred writings are the codes left behind by the Speakers and many others who brought ancient knowledge.
Clearly, the codes are imbedded in those ancient writing, but disguised over the centuries by a variety of local and national cultures and various changes in groups and human migrations over the face of the earth.
All in all though, the information that Reality is the creation, or co-creation of all its individual and collective participants is available.
It has been camouflaged time and time again, often to the point where it is unrecognizable.
Samsara, the cycle of life and death is inevitable, but YOU are NOT at the MERCY of your desiring nature.. as if it were an uncontrollable beast running amuck and ruining your very existence.
YOUR nature does not fight you, nor does it go against you, nor is the world as you know it the source of your pain and suffering.
HOW you view that world and how you work with and understand your creative abilities is of utmost importance.
As the codes became clothed in the guises of gods and personalities with supernatural powers and various industries of gods and goddesses became all the rage, the messages/codes became lost.
The messenger became more important than the message.
The icons or symbols became more important than the teachings they represented.
Whether you study the Bible, the Vedas, the Puranas, the Upanishads, the Tao or others, you often are torn between wanting to understand their Inner meanings and the words they convey to your intellect.
Further complicating the issues are the interpretations given all these writing by human beings with agendas, regardless of the ‘apparent’ selflessness projected.
If you do read any of these writings, keep in mind that above and beyond any of the realities you are told they portray, first and foremost, keep in mind that all these ancient writings were originally extremely different than what is now handed down to you.
Enough of a smidgen of the original kernels of truths are left for you to think that these writings as they are today are the real thing, but that is only because their inner truths still ring with a faint echo deep into your own psyches.
Paulfonzo: I’d like to know more about these Speaker “codes”…
KRIS: – still to be found deep in the tenets of these older writings are the original kernels of the materials the Speakers left with the ancients.
There are for instances in the Vedas, descriptions of groups of sages assembling to impart knowledge to entire societies.
Many such tenets and teachings had to be organized in line with the local people’s views and languages.
Therefore, the “Rishis” as some of the Speakers were known had a formidable task at hand.
Paulfonzo: Since culture is always changing, it makes sense that these Speaker “codes” and core teachings would constantly be retranslated into new expressions. Hence some of your work Kris…
KRIS: The ancient land of “Mahabharata” as the Earth was known in ages past…had just undergone much changes and wars and so much had to be done to bring some sense of order and reconstruct these societies.
When the Rishis (Speakers) made their presences known, they had to do it in the guise of what was familiar to the locals.
These Speakers had to seed truth in ways that made sense to those there. Otherwise, it would not have rooted.
Eternal knowledge, that knowing which transcends time and space in all its shapes or forms took root in what was later to become the ancient Vedic culture.
This process was repeated many times in many cultures all over the world as you know it, and in worlds that you no longer know.
If one was to clearly look at what these many ancient writings from your world have to say, the messages can still come to light. However, with so much racial tension in almost every corner of your globe, and one religion or another still today laying claim to absolute knowledge, it is difficult at times to see what is really being said.
As we hinted at earlier, even in the ancient tenets of Buddhist faith, it is clearly laid out that the individual creates his/her own reality.. but that has taken second or even third place to the idea that your source of problem is that you “desire”.
It is impossible, it is truly a farce of cosmic proportion to assume that you can eliminate the source of your own being in order to be yourself, and to attain enlightenment.
Your species has incredible innate potentials.. yet you create situations where you incur pain on yourself and others.
Is there perhaps some agency that oversees and allots certain amounts of it to this one and that one?
When you forget that your emotions and desires and feelings and convictions are the fuel that charges up the whole of Creation, collectively, and then you deliberately ignore this power, it needs an outlet.
SERGE: — basically, Kris is saying that we usually endure these things because we have no other models… other models for consciousness evolution are not apparent to us because we have become fixated on the one that was handed out to us, and the ego has a difficult time letting go of what it considers logical.
KRIS: – You do something, either yourself or others consider bad, and you must pay the consequences.
It doesn’t mean that we can indiscriminately cause harm, because there are consequences for that as well, of a different order.
But as far as our pain and suffering is concerned, we can and do have the abilities to change how we view the world as our source of pain.
The world is NOT the source of our suffering.. it is a reflection of what we consider it to be.
If your world were truly your human source of suffering, then your species would be little more than masochists.
If you had a differently model of the world, your experience of it would be vastly different. That is what you are collectively trying to accomplish over the next 200 years.
Your species has undergone different types of revolutions, the last being the Industrial, then the technical, next comes the Consciousness revolutions.
This revolution of Consciousness will be coupled with technology.. you will try to use both in order to positively change the world you know.
But presently you are still like a child trying to see what happens when you stick a stainless steel knife into an electrical outlet.
You get zapped.
Eventually you learn not to do that with the knife, you learn to respect Nature, not try to dominate and control it.
It is not technology alone that will be helpful but your relationship with nature.
These ancient Speakers codes let you understand that Nature, and your natural inclination to DESIRE a relationship with the world and Nature is what keeps you alive!
When you understand the basics of these ancient inner truths, you can make a better world.
You cannot make a better world by ripping it apart.
Can you write better if you pull out your fingers?
Can you breather better if you remove your lungs? Of course not!
You are collectively the conscious aspects of the physical world, as well as its caretaker.
There is an order to all of nature, but this knowledge has been clouded over or outright removed.
When you start to understand that the living world is a part of your own body and self, the pain and suffering will disappear, because you will then understand what it is to be spiritual!!!
Not the other way around.
You cannot deny your desiring nature, you cannot remove yourself from the world and think you are being more spiritual.
By relishing your physical nature and respecting it will you also understand that there is a rich, vast and powerful energy within you, that being the eternal and immortal SELF!
And that you are that Self, a Self simultaneously made up of energy and energy/matter.
One being the reflection of the other…….. but be careful.. don’t make up your minds yet as to which is which based only on some half baked esoteric teaching.
Consider yourselves as both… a creature of flesh and blood AND Energy.. since the flesh IS another form of energy… so many teachings claim that because you are flesh you are flawed in some way.. yet, energy itself!
Consciousness knows not your esoteric teachings!
That is more important that you think.
Theories abound about what is pure, light, consciousness, divine… and what is lowly, impure, stained, flawed… this is what we were talking about earlier concerning karma in the east and sin in the west.. to teach you that because you are flesh you have sinned is in itself a grave sin.
That false knowledge is what keeps many of you thinking that there is a place of salvation, a place away from the world of pain and suffering.
If you were able to glimpse at the lights that you are, at the immense capabilities you have to collectively create your world.. and you grasped its import, you could radically change it in a short amount of time.
End of chat.
Mars and Emotions
January 17, 2004
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 17, 2004
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.
Mark’s Notes: this session was a private session between Mark and Kris.
Audio File: PVT MB Jan 17 2004 Mars and Emotions 1 225pm.wav
2:25 PM Session Begins
MARK: Obviously in the media right now and on many websites are Mars and the Mars Expedition and so on. One question that I came up with the other day is “Why has all volcanic activity on Mars stopped”?
KRIS: We believe there is much reduced tectonic activity and there has been no volcanic and tectonic activity on that planet for a very long time indeed. Other than that we have no geo-physical information.
MARK: Okay. Now the cataclysm that we know that civilization there created that destroyed that world so to speak, was that a war?
KRIS: There was at one time a war but it was not that the initial demise of that culture.
MARK: Can you tell me what was?
KRIS: The source of the war or the source of the destruction?
MARK: Destruction.
KRIS: It could be said that Mars and Earth were undergoing parallel developments to a certain degree and some of the things that occurred on Mars permitted the people on Earth to not pursue devastating turns that had been taken on Mars. Do you understand so far? Now on Mars there were opposing factions, different cultures that sought to dominate the political systems, trying to usurp other systems not unlike some of the conflicts are your present planet. But on Mars there was little regard for the consequences of actions and hot headed temperaments prevailed, again not unlike some of the dysfunctional relationships during the Cold War between the United States and Russia for the longest time.
Though politics and enemies nearly came to fatal blows on several occasions, on Earth you were able to eventually work through your conflicts and disagreements but on Mars they had no wish to try to settle differences before things got out of hand. The approach was “Let’s get out of hand and let’s show them we are not afraid of them”. Unfortunately the fall out provided no parties or factions the satisfaction of victory. All were lost through nuclear holocaust of global proportions.
MARK: It sounds to me like it was a war that caused the demise.
KRIS: But NOT between Earth and Mars, it was localized to that planet though there had been exchanges with that planet at one point.
MARK: Keeping the topic on Mars but changing it a bit, what can you tell us about the planet? Even now with the expeditions what can we expect or hope to find? I obviously doubt that because this civilization existed hundreds of millions of years ago by our standards that we aren’t going to find anything, are we?
KRIS: Not immediately and the immediate findings will titillate the NASA researchers will prove rather boring, though they will find certain sources of moisture but not in a manner that they expect. And to make things even more interesting it will take some time before very specific collected data is actually released. You do not think for a moment that the pictures are taken directly from the dune buggy to NASA to the general public. They will be filtered though some of those pictures do come from NASA not all of the pictures will be released to the public.
MARK: Is the Sphinx a Sphinx or is it just shadows?
KRIS: There are ancient complexes that even at initial close observation may still appear to be more like localized natural formations until more observations and diggings are allowed. Take for instance the vast amounts of mounds in through the south eastern United Sates that for the longest time were considered to be entirely natural formations until people started digging and discovered that some were temple like structures, some were burial mounds but many of them having astronomical significance in terms of following the movements of the stars and moon and sun.
And as an added twist because on one other level the scientists and researchers are convinced that nothing could be there (on Mars) except possibly the smallest microbes and bacteria. Anything that doesn’t fit those descriptions might be tossed as photographic anomalies, malfunctions, shadows, and imaginings. Now those structures on Mars from so long ago, upwards of 400 million years will be greatly reduced from their original splendors and will be covered over with dust and other accumulations. Eventually when they are found it will cause much of a stir because there will be some evidence that humanoid life forms have been around for much longer than any present theories allow. Therefore those indoctrinated in those theories might step forward and make certain that theories are not shaken and disturbed. Because you are talking about mental edifices at this point, psychic, psychological structures concerning collective convictions. Those are often far more difficult to move than if you try to move a physical mountain.
MARK: Will this evidence present itself in my lifetime?
There are some possibilities and even some evidence that may still be leaked out. There will be attempts to keep things under wraps and those attempts may even include up to murder. Silencing information and the couriers is nothing new to your culture.
MARK: It will just be the Roswell of its day.
KRIS: On an unprecedented scale. There will also be the findings of what will appear to be naturally formed caves, cave systems and underground subterranean tunnels, not unlike lava tubes in Hawaii until there is a realization that these structures or at least some of them had to have been man made. That will be somewhat difficult at least initially due to the great age involved.
MARK: Is there anything else that you would like to add regarding the planet?
KRIS: Not at this time.
MARK: Okay, change of topic. (time index 17:28:217)
17:25
MARK: Yesterday I had another revelation, basically an understanding of what you have been telling me about emotions, talking about blocking one blocking many. Suddenly I was able to understand to an extent the importance of NOT blocking, taking it from the stand point of if we choose to incarnate here, living as many of these emotions and feelings that we can, as possible, that these emotions, these feelings in ways are the very experiences, and if we block them, we diminish the experiences.
KRIS: What eventually may become your understanding is that in actuality, those emotions, those feeling states, those ‘zones’ are and exist before you recognize them. They are what cause the events and circumstances to manifest. Events and circumstances are the materialized versions of those inner events. Those inner events occur in the “inner field of events” and they are transposed by or through a biochemical process through your brain and cells and structures into the formation of physical events and circumstances and things.
Excess proteins and other items that need to be eliminated from the body other than strictly through the elimination systems are also eliminated through the hair and sweat glands and the pores of your body, correct?
These things are also passed through the membranes of your cellular tissue by a process not unlike what plants do with chlorophyll. Do you understand?
So these biochemical signatures that are translated into something else that then become actual physical events and circumstances in your “external field of events” even though everything still occurs as “ internal events”, you experience it as external due to the auspices of the ego interacting with the physical senses. Everything still occurs within. There is no external. We speak of an “eternal field of events” for references sake because it is what you understand. Thus, your true world, your true environment is not the physical world, but the world of events that occur within what you call the mind.
That is why we have referred to the mind as the true cradle of civilization.
So indeed, once you learn to suppress one emotion, you automatically understand how to suppress them all. And the one that will initially and ultimately be sought to suppress, because it is the one that is the most feared is…..
MARK: Fear??
KRIS: LOVE… that is the one that is the most feared, in spite of the fact that it is your true salvation in those terms.
MARK: Why do we fear it so much??
KRIS: Because you think that if you do not fear, you will go to hell in a hand basket. You have not yet realized as a culture that the only thing you truly need to fear is your capacity to sink into your own quagmire, one of your own making, which you immediately try to blame on someone else.
Perhaps you will find some time in the near future to transcribe this session.
MARK: I definitely intend to. This is such a good one. I am beginning to understand this even as you are speaking because it is something that resonates within me. Obviously it is a topic of conversation that we have had on several different occasions as well. The subject matter is becoming more and more… clear.
KRIS: One of the main reasons why love itself is so feared is because love itself appears to make you vulnerable. That is a result of your collective convictions. Look at your songs. You loved her and she broke your heart. She loved him and he broke her heart, on and on, glorifying the dark side of pain and the fear of loving.
So you collectively believe that if you allow yourselves to be so vulnerable to love than there must be something wrong with your species, that you are flawed. That to love may be dangerous. That it causes pain and sorrow. It causes desire which leads to more suffering and you believe so intricately in “the wheels of Samsara”, the cycle of birth and death (as the source of suffering) in that way that you then think that the only way to only go beyond all of this is to stop loving and desiring.
Desiring is a bi-product of your natural affinity for love. And when your minds become so twisted that you fear loving, you loathe loving, you despise yourselves and when you despise yourselves you sign your own execution warrant.
Even the many people that find it appalling that they could consider not loving themselves but what they say and what they do and how it shows up in their lives clearly indicates that fear of loving has never been broached, explored and released. You therefore think that it is commendable to hate, HATE, HATE WAR! You do not think about loving peace. You do not think about loving reconciliation. You think instead that you must hate those who make war, that is a entirely justifiable state of emotion and therefore the state of the nation is a place where everyone hates everything. That should be the true delivery of the state of the nation address. Instead you stress how the nation should hate those who are considered evil and whom is considered evil? Everyone who thinks differently! A sad state of the nation indeed.
MARK: That is all I have to ask right now. Do you have anything that you would like to add?
KRIS: Indeed not, save this: Learn to love love and leave behind hating hate and fear. LOVE LOVE! And with that have a peaceful day.
End of session 2:50 PM
Kris makes a quick comeback at 2:55 PM
KRIS: May I say, even more insidious, tied to this fear of loving.
It is in your scriptures, many of them specifically the Judeo Christian traditions, where it speaks of a god being so loving of the world that ‘IT’ (god) would enjoin incredible suffering and pain and the murder of his own spiritual child, the Christ.
If you ever wonder why some people have such a fanatical and twisted sense of making pain and suffering an honorable discharge, a badge of honor to wear, to a pledge of allegiance to an ego maniacal deity, you need no more than to look at your scriptures.
The true import of biblical writings has long ago been scrapped because it would have liberated your species into a much greater understanding of Love. Instead, you twisted it. Your species tortured those writings in a most unsavory way!
End of session (again) 2:58 PM
Man and Nature 1
January 12, 2004
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 12, 2004
Jan 12 2004 Relationship with Nature 1 740pm.wav
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.
7:40 PM Session Begins
KRIS: We trust that you are comfortable and we wish you both a most plentiful New Year. . Do you have any topic or anything specific that you wish to discuss?
ANDREA: Maybe we could continue with The Nine Sisters. .
Perhaps a tie in would be warranted. Something to create a platform to continue exploring the subject matter already evolved and from there create additional spin offs.
Your very human interpretations of the physical world, the emotions, the feeling tones and the relationships that you establish with the external outer world is far more intimate that you might suspect and much closer to your heart than your modern sciences care to validate.
The main reason why the intimacy of such relationships that exist between the individual and his or her environment is not yet explored or acknowledge in scientific circles or at least some scientific circles is because first of all, the notion that human consciousness stems from the human form, this notion is still very prevalent.
And trying to investigate and trying to show that there indeed is an intimate relationship between the world of objects and the world of your thoughts and emotions may very well, in the long run invalidate certain hard core beliefs central to the scientific model of reality hat more or less states that the physical world is little more than a mechanism, a machine, all be it a biological machine.
By extension the physical body itself is also a biological machine and when certain parts of this machinery break down you simply remove the damaged parts and replace them without consideration given to the whole of the body or the individual within that body.
Furthermore any research that would seriously consider and show that there is a relationship between the individual and his or her world risks showing that said world is not something that stands apart from the individual and thus apart from all individuals but actually stems from the convictions and their intricate relationships to the individual and to that world, going as far as to say that the very building blocks of that external or outer world is in actuality an extension of and constructed from the very building blocks that make up the individual first of all.
And in order to safe guard the old boys club,” the old guard”, such studies are often relegated to the world of the philosopher and the religious doctrines. Unfortunately by relegating or sometimes totally ignoring such thoughts science puts itself in a more perilous stance by refusing to acquiesce and recognize that it too is a byproduct of the various types of convictions and world views that exist to create the scientific model in the first place.
MARK: In other words, science is a religion.
KRIS: It does not consider itself in that light thinking that it is above such appellations but it operates in many similar manners as do all the major religious bodies of this planet and like the various religious teachings each one claiming to be the only one with all of the answers and the truths in their pocket. Science claims as much.
Now we are not saying this as an attack on the integrity of individuals. We are just simply pointing out that much more emphasis is put on the maintaining an out dated modality, one that requires that the individual’s thoughts bend and take the form of the container that is the scientific model. Do you follow?
MARK: Again, they are conformists as well.
KRIS:Indeed.
MARK: Science to me means that you are unbiased but they are VERY biased. If you don’t research the model then your funding is cut off and you are shunned from the community, all this just because you are not maintaining the status quo.
KRIS: As well that if your findings in any research project end up being contradictory to the model and not clicking in with the acceptable facts than it is quite likely that once again your funding will be cut off until you conform to the status quo and many such researchers have gone out on a limb, been ostracized or excommunicated from the community of their piers only to be vindicated later when it is discovered that the status quo was and is no longer applicable and the new understandings happen to be already discovered by so and so and so and so.
These tactics and measures are utilized and it is unfortunate that very often the data that is uncovered that MAY be contradictory is shunned and even despised simply because it will create waves.
MARK: It is a well known fact that there are a lot of items found archeologically that don’t conform or match the model and are tagged and stored away never to be seen or spoken of again.
KRIS: There are many, many instances where there have been claims that one perception or given model is absolute and unflinching only to fall like a house of cards mere months or years down the road when new discoveries are made. Now they have pushed back by thousands and thousands of years, the acceptable date where man was created. That as well fell to new data that man is far older than suspected and that mankind has been on this planet for far longer than imagined. So always there are changes being made and when the changes are made the voice announcing the change is often very small in hopes that the new perception will be forgotten and that the old will still hold.
MARK: So in essence we are talking right now about “Creator” (one of the Nine Sisters) and the creation of beliefs and convictions that hold us and advance us to a point and then we start deconstructing those beliefs and convictions in order to construct new ones and advance forward.
KRIS: You need to constantly revise and update your model of reality and your world view for what today is considered a truth may prove tomorrow to be iffy and questionable until new realizations dawn upon you and your dreams bring you new information and the world will be changed upon your awakening.
So your interactions with that external world are far more intimate than you thought possible because whenever as an individual you change, you take on a voyage of self discovery to a certain degree, you are changing the nature of your relationship with yourself and your world and though some the changes may be so subtle that you barely notice the changes while others may be so significant and drastic that indeed you know without hesitation that you as an individual has changed. Therefore the entire system has changed with you perhaps leaving a sufficient echo to indicate that you have become the new path.
The nature of your physical world is as fluid as the flow of your thoughts and emotions but its appearance is more steadfast and it appears indeed as we have discussed in the past to be solid and immutable. That is the result of your own ability to seamlessly create and project outwardly, creating a three dimensional vision of your existence and this is projected upon the building blocks of reality and your …??? the tides of your emotions, the feeling tones, all of which ensue from your convictions, literally carve out and mold these building blocks of your physical reality so that it matches your singular and collective expectations.
Therefore it seems to you that your physical world, your world of physical objects, of the events and circumstances has very little to do with you as a person. That as an individual obviously you are not related to the trees, you are not related to the events that occur at the intersection that you are at, that the people and even the shape of the things in your office may not be related to you.
That the events at home have little to do with you but you could not be further from the truth if you believe that. By mentioning this we are trying to bring home the point that everything that occurs in your physical lives, in your days and in your nights, in your dreams and in your waking, for in your waking dreams if you wish, are inter-related and inter-woven in such ways that it often difficult to explain but that you would still be able to understand.
Through biochemical and electromagnetic properties of your own bodies and brains you translate the energies and the powers of your feeling tones and convictions in such a manner and with such stealth that you are unaware that the process is occurring even as we speak. That you are maintaining these walls and these furnishings and you think that you are obviously separate from the table or from the dog or the walls and yet they are projections of your own energies.
We want to bring this point home because by developing and the practicing an awareness of this actually helps bring back a most ancient (in your terms) primordial state of awareness where perception is not limited to your physical senses as they are encased in the physical body and that consciousness or perception is all around you.
You are all around the self. You are in the trees and other forms around you and it is quite possible with some practice to be able to understand and live through such an experience knowing that you are part of the physical world in ways that may not be fathomable to you as such but yet still exists. Do you understand? Let us take a few moments break.
8:10 Pm Break Starts
8:15 PM Break Ends.
KRIS: And welcome to our young friend and may the New Year bring you much ado and many other blessings.
Now there are obviously always bases to maintain any type of conviction. Perceptions are always entertained because there is some kind of pay off and something can be maintained through keeping the “Old Guard”.
The idea that the old world, the world of nature has nothing to do with the individuals who live within that nature such as human beings eventually enables certain models of thought and their practices to freely and with great impunity plunder and pillage that nature. Thus your planet is being plundered on an unprecedented scale. Forests are being stripped bare at an incredible rate. Your waters are being polluted with complete disregard despite many efforts to clean up the environment.
It seems at times that your environmental protection agencies are fighting an overwhelming battle and to all sides it appears that because nature is not related to you physically, personally then little consideration is given to the activities of strip mining, clear cutting and so on and so forth, sometime in your own backyard and other times in other under developed countries, where all of our resources are considered a waste where they are not used by the local population and therefore for the taking by he who has the biggest dollar. Do you understand?
The more that individuals refrain connecting with the natural world the more endangered it becomes, in a way. There have been many films that, whether through symbolism or allegory such as “The Fellowship of the Ring” book and also another example is “The Never Ending Story”.
Though one (film) may speak about believing in fairy tails and the imagination and the other speaks about fantasy world, still they are allegorical because they speak directly to the individual about his or her relationship with inner realities, the world of the imagination and the individual’s original primordial connection, the world of the mysterious, the world of the Elves and the Fairies which is symbolic for the natural extensions of human kind, mankind and his or her consciousness in the land, in the mountains, in the lakes, in the valleys, in the peaks, in the rivers, in the oceans, in the multitude of emotions that are all part of his or her own body.
That relationship is from time immemorial. At such a time individuals understood that they were all aspects, projections of each other, expressions of each other joy and honored each other in that light. That included honoring the physical world, the natural world in the same vein.
It was quite common for so called primitive savages, the uncivilized pre-humans to consider themselves part of their very physical environment, part of the rivers and the lakes and the mountains and the valleys and the animals within them. Ancient cave drawings often show through simplistic artwork, an individual or many individuals dawning animal skins and pretending to be a deer or a lion or any other number of animals.
It is also very typical of anthropologists and others of their kind to claim that of course these depicted sacred religious rituals, whilst in actuality many such cultures were merely leaving behind notices to others who would follow in their tracks that they too are part of the deer, the lions and the bison as well as any other kind of animals in the vicinity.
And that was depicted as a man-animal or an animal-man combination. In such times there were no clear and distinct fear based separations of consciousness with the natural elements of the world. So you did not for instance consider that physically speaking you stood apart from nature but that you were also known because you were part river, part mountain, part tree and in terms of consciousness you understood and knew that your village areas, your compounds because your greater body extended into those vicinities.
That enabled early humans to maintain harmonious balances or relationships with their environment, never damage it but actually cultivating that balances because it also signified their survival to one degree or another and they knew that. This is exemplified in the relationship aborigines entertained with their environment for many thousands of years until western man showed up with his different views that “the environment was made for plundering or extracting and for the sale of real estate”. To this day many aborigines (still) do not understand how one can own others since they still view themselves as part of the land. Do you understand?
By understanding such things it is easier for you to rekindle those ancient echoes of the relationship that you still have with the natural world and it provides the opportunity for a greater sense of balance because you can experience it not only in a theoretical philosophical way but in a quite tangible manner that indeed you are related to the environment which you find yourself in. Thus a greater sense of well being can be cultivated from the recognition of that relationship. Does that make sense to you? Now do you have questions perhaps?
MARK: I think that it is quite ironic that we are in a civilization that has become disconnected with nature and because we plunder it that this civilization may fail. If this civilization does fail as a result of our plundering our very bodies will be used to fertilize and replenish this planet.
KRIS: It has been done before which is nothing new. This would not be the first time but fortunately you may have individuals who will remind you of those ancient relationships and that you on your own may try to bring back a sense of balance by understanding that you are part of the world around you whether it is the jungle or the city, still you are part of that world. Does that make sense to you? Take a few moments of break.
8:30 PM second break starts.
8: 40 PM –
KRIS: To sum up this small presentation this evening, understand that for all of the claims and regardless of the credentials and the loud voices of your modern sciences, first and foremost, this edifice [Science] will ultimately crumble unless it affirms that the human heart and human experience is the result of consciousness, as is their own science (loudly – with much emphasis)!
For the human heart invariably will “only” recognize that ultimately the natural world, the world of nature and the imagination and the artistry thereof is of interest to the human individual for his or her very survival depends upon that relationship of consciousness. It does not depend upon the latest methods to wash your colors or your darks or your whites and it does not depend upon the information that is contained in a microchip.
Human survival depends upon the relationship that exists between humankind and the natural world. And that is where the final vote will count.
Do you understand? Yes.
Now again this is not an attack upon science. But more so of an observation upon some of the failings that are prevalent and dominate, and upon which that edifice is being built. It is being built on quicksand. It is being built on refusing to acknowledge the primordial relationship between humankind and the natural world.
If it acknowledged and respected and honored that ancient timeless bond then you will have technologies and sciences that would not pillage and ravage the world but indeed enhance it!
Not at the expense of the many for the few, but where all can share equally of the bounty that comes from honoring that relationship.
Now do you have other questions?
GROUP: After that statement, NO!
KRIS: Now honor yourselves and that honoring will be acknowledged by nature and do have a most pleasant natural evening!
End at 8:50 pm
The Nine Sisters – Part 2
January 5, 2004
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 05, 2004
This segment regarding these three sisters was originally spoken by Kris In September 2003. The digital recorder was turned on but the microphone was not, needless to say that the session was lost. Andrea Klubal was at that session and was kind enough to give us a copy of her notes. After reviewing her notes, Serge, Mark and Kris re-visited those three sisters making sure that both the recorder and the microphone were on. The following is the re-visited transcript.
The first twenty minutes of audio (not transcribed here) is a private session between Mark and Kris.
8:45 PM Session Starts
KRIS: Now in this session we will recap some of the information that somehow or other disappeared concerning three of the nine sisters. Indeed these aspects of the human personality need more examination because they are such an integral part of your living and because lost touch with them in very basic terms of your humanity.
A great number of individuals on your planet, be it in the past, present or even the futures, remain convinced that though life offers some endearing moments, it is still a place where some form of danger lurks whether it comes from without or from within and one must be on one’s guard lest this danger disrupt your lives. Do you understand?
MARK: Yes, it seems that when we let that guard down that we let the joy in.
Indeed, it is when you are less militant about controlling your existence and your guards are momentarily down that the true experiences of life and living make themselves known through you. That is why we have brought about some of this information on the Nine Sisters, as we have called them.
Now, the second set presented being Grace, Joy and Creativity have a great deal of impact, if that impact is allowed to make an impression and a difference in the lives of the individual. It should be noted that under no circumstance is this material or information forcing anyone to change the way that they view the world. Instead it should be viewed as an encouragement to widen, to stretch, to broaden your perceptions, the horizons of your thoughts and what you think is NOT concerning your existence, your self, your reality and your place in the world.
Truly GRACE is an aspect, a state that forever imbues each and every molecule and particle of the self, well over and beyond your physical appearance or form. Grace is much more than a simple mood and it is indeed the very best expression of all that which is dear and endearing in the human personality. It encompasses some the highest qualities expressed through the human personality and individual because it is the state within which you have your own being. In fact it is far more than an abundance of good will and good intentions. It is the very medium through which your actions are propelled and manifested or not as you so desire. Just as it would be impossible for any fish to imagine itself living outside of its environment, so is it naturally difficult for the human psyche to actually live outside of the influences of Grace. The reason the fish can not live outside, other than the biological one, is because the fish consider water as part of their being, it is part of their body. Just as animals do not consider the natural environment that they find themselves in as something separate than them selves.
Humankind however has a different propensity to reorganize his or her perceptions because free will is involved, then the human being can pretend that Grace is not part of the experience, not part of their environment. When such perceptions are actually allowed then man begins to fear that since his perceptions cause him to think that his self and nature are different, then he begins to fear that which is different from himself, he begins to manipulate and use that environment which is different from himself.
That condition also prevents one from truly enjoying another state, another aspect of the human personality called JOY. Though you may experience sometimes fleeting moments of joy such as when another gives a flower, when your child brings home a good report card and so on and so forth. You have then returned quickly to your previous state and forget the joyous occasion until it is time to remember it once again.
You have forgotten that Joy is a natural expression of your connectivity with all of life and life elements through the auspices of Grace and you feel yourself further removed from the depths and center of your being until the stand up comic reminds you again that it permissible to laugh, especially at yourselves. Do you follow?
JOY is SO much apart of yourselves, that you have denied, that you have become convinced often that it is only available through the auspices of something other than yourself. Thus you fall into patterns where you fight your own innate Grace and Joy, engage in unnecessary warfare with your own self. Thinking that you are undeserving of grace and Joy without ever realizing that these expressions are a natural manifestation of your presence in three dimensional reality. They are not just something that you acquire! They are part of you! They are expressions of you!
So we are suggesting that by looking at your reality, your everyday lives, the ins and outs, the moments in between, through Grace and Joy. your living conditions can greatly improve because they work in tandem with Balance and Harmony and Helper to bring about greater understanding of your very real three dimensional experience and you do have an assist where Helper actually taps into other portions of the human personality, another aspect that we have called CREATIVITY.
By tapping into this very aspect of your own inner dimensions, the inner self or psyche, you can constantly generate and create new ways to find methods by which you express those very states of being such as Grace and Joy, Balance and Harmony. Together with Creativity you constantly launch into three dimensional reality, those impressions, those expectations and those inner convictions that enable the manufacturing of your own experience of life in a manner in which reflects your beliefs or convictions, your expectations, your feeling tones and so on and so forth.
And by making use of these innate qualities, of Grace and Joy and Creativity, you make available to yourselves a deep well of psychic and psychological energies that truly can redefine the meaning of your existence because you do not live in a world that is separate from your feelings about yourself or about that world but you live in a world where your inner convictions are projected three dimensionally into the scenes and dramas of the events and circumstances of your lives. Thus by making conscious use of and being aware of those qualities so far described, those aspects, Balance and Harmony and Helper, Grace and Joy and Creativity. These do not merely become ethereal qualities but practical elements used change and transform the very face of the world and the very ideas about what you know, what you think you know and do not know about existence. These are dynamic tools that can be used to create deep and profound changes in a manner that enables you to grow in wisdom so that those states of Joy and Grace and Creativity become the new Golden Rule, the new standard by which the rest of your existence can be defined.
So we believe that that should cover the information.
MARK: Thank you. That also helps clarify things as well.
Session Ends 9:07 PM
