Free Will

January 20, 2003

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and transcribed by Marcy Singer
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 20, 2003
© Copyright 2006 Avion Rising Inc.

(Seven people in attendance.)

KRIS: Now we indeed thank you for taking of your time and coming here and to those of you who are new, we bid you a warm welcome, something much warmer than outside.

You have been discussing some of the anomalies of time as you understand it and its relationships with yourselves, both how you imagine yourselves today, in the past, and in the future. And it seems to confuse some of you and well it should actually bring about a mild state of confusions. The confusion usually comes from your own ego based perceptions as to whom and what you are. The ego, over time, has built a very clean and orderly perception around its own self, and from its vantage point it appears that you are in a world of physical matter where this physical world exists apart from and separate from you, as if somehow or other you are divorced from your world. And it also appears that you had a beginning, you have a middle, and someday you will have an end, and when that end comes, nothing else exists for the ego.

So it builds the foundation of so-called fact and data to reinforce its perceptions, and from this fact gathering exercise spread out over time, the ego usually comes to the conclusion that there is nothing else in existence BUT itself and what it perceives. And anything else is purely theoretical. But it does so because it forgets very easily that it has a source of existence that may appear separate from itself but is not. And this source of existence, which allows the ego to think whatever it wants about itself, this source of existence is not based in the reality that is perceived by your physical senses.

You live in a world that is interpreted by your senses, most specifically the rods and the cones in your eyes. And in conjunction with the brain that receives the signals from all of your physical senses, it interprets that data according to the beliefs that you hold concerning yourself, your world, and your relationship with it. So it constructs an image of what reality perhaps is, according to its definitions, which are indeed limited. And whenever there are gaps, contradictions, anomalies, it usually censors them so as not to disturb the overall picture of reality that it has so carefully and tidily tried to paint for you. And it does something that is very much akin to what the apologists do when they read your Judeo-Christian scriptures. Whenever there are contradictions, anomalies and so on and so forth, the apologists skip over them, pretending there is nothing really wrong with facts that do not match.

The ego does the same with reality. When there are loose ends in its understanding of reality, it creates blind spots to its understanding. This ends up creating for you a perception of the world that is lacking. It still exists but your ego become blind to its greater source. So you eventually can allow yourself and your egos to understand more about life by realizing that first of all everything you see in the physical world, everything that your senses report to you is merely a reflection of your thoughts concerning yourself, your world, and your relationship with that world.

Understand that beneath, that is not the proper word, but underneath the props found within physical reality there are much deeper dimensions, and that within these greater realities there you find the source of your being.

Now it is not that the ego is a bad thing or that it truly is a hindrance or an impediment to greater understanding, because without the ego you would also have no perceptions of yourself based within physical reality. So there are definite ways to expand and enlarge the ego’s own truth about reality, and you yourselves can benefit greatly by understanding that first of all, you are eternal and immortal beings, and that the true source of your being is not based within physical construction, but instead beyond its boundaries in a world where space and time seem rather meaningless, where instead the self helps you by generating everything you need from within this inner dimension for the survival of the ego based personality in physical reality.

So it is as if you really exist in two places in once, but that is only an appearance. It appears as if there is a source to your being outside of the space time continuum while you are within the space time continuum, utilizing the senses to decipher your existence with realities that you still find the whole or complete self outside the time space continuum. But your perceptions make it appear as if there are divisions within the self, as if there is a time past and a time future.

Because you have your own physical being rooted in the world of flesh and blood, you must utilize the venue of your senses and your neurological processes to interpret. Your ideas of linear time are actually a result of the way your brain transfers information along your neurological pathways. And because you become accustomed to a particular wavelength and unique firing speed between synapses, it appears as if you can only experience one time at a time, though what you call the unconscious is not fettered by such limitations.

There are also ways to adjust some neurological pathways to speed up your interpretations of knowledge and reality or slow them down and speeding them up does not make one more spiritual or psychic, they are merely definitions to help you understand. There are many neurological pathways available to the individual in his or her brain.

So how does all of this have to do with selves in the past, selves in the future? Simply because you are en expression of ‘All That Is’ or the Universe, and there is so much of you that it cannot be expressed in only one parcel. Think of all of the dreams, all of the thoughts that you have entertained since the moment you became aware that you were a thinking being. Imagine all the things you dreamt of doing, all of the paths, the careers that you thought of undertaking. Imagine all the times that you thought you were going to turn down this one street and instead you turned down another. Think of all the times you may have thought ‘today I will do this’ and you instead end up doing something different.

All of these probable actions generate energy and it does not die, in fact no energy is ever wasted. So all of these probable actions may have indeed continued to follow their own paths different from yours and following very different paths is difficult for you to understand from the point of view of the ego, but not your unconscious.

So you have within yourselves here and now the potential to understand so much more about you. We said earlier that you actually have a source of being outside the continuum of time and space. That source has expressed itself in many, many different personalities, not all of which is you as you think of yourselves here and now.

Some of them, some of these selves, springing forth from this ‘outside of time’ source may very well explore their potentials in a time that is different from yours. Perhaps from YOUR perspective this could be considered a past time or a future time, and indeed the experiences, the knowledge, the information, the lessons that are cultivated and harvested in all so-called time zones never go to waste, but are instead shared upon the entire range of all the personalities originating from this one source self that exists outside of time and space.

And though you personally may believe that something you did as another personality in another time such as the past may have an influence upon your actions today, which is what you call karmic influences, little do you realize that your projected selves into the future may exercise upon you as much a pull as you think your past selves exercise upon you.

So there may very well be decisions that you make today or tomorrow that are influenced from some of your future selves, helping align yourselves so that more of your potentials actually become manifest, as opposed to an archaic and draconian mindset that says that any challenges and difficulties that you have today are the result of something you did in the past or a past life that may haunt you today.

Think of it this way. You are all accustomed to thinking that every morning the sun rises into its apex and at night the sun sinks below the horizon, when in reality the sun does not move, nor does it rise or set, but the axis of your planet revolving around the sun causes an appearance of the sun rising and setting. So in reality your world is moving, both upon its axis and through space around the sun.

Now if you take two moments to even reflect upon that, you will also see that it can change your view of your relationship with the world. It does not mean the romantic setting sun is now no more romantic, but it does add a different zing to your perceptions. And when you begin to think about some of your own probable lives, some of which you call past and some of which you call future, in those terms you may then find a greater connection, and unifying effect. And hopefully by understanding somewhat more that your impulses, your thoughts, your decisions, the actions you take today may actually be far more influenced by your own future selves, you can more easily rest assured that your whole self, what you call your inner self or your higher self, has your best intentions at heart far more than so-called past life which may seem to want to trip you up at any opportunity because it may have done something that may or may not have been. Do you understand?

So you actually have the opportunity to open so many more doors to self understanding this way than if you sit here worried that beyond your control is a vast self that may have committed some transgression that YOU will pay for. What opportunities await you tomorrow can be a far more interesting premise than wondering what some past self did to ruin your day.

WOMAN: The Christian religion has gotten a lot of mileage out of that idea.

KRIS: Indeed. However, many people leave the Judeo-Christian mindset, or so they think, and they will go and study Eastern philosophies because it may bring more fulfillment, and they become involved with the notion of karma and past lives and all of the offenses and transgressions and sins of not only of an original sin now, but of thousands and thousands of lives of sin that may weigh you down like an anchor and drown you into a sea worry.

WOMAN: Like Matthew Fox who was excommunicated by the Vatican for his ideas about NOT original sin but original blessing.

KRIS: Indeed. In fact if your biblical scholars had done their homework properly, they would not have succumbed to political pressure to use original sin as the very foundation for an entire civilization. Original goodness is a notion that you have forgotten. You have become so accustomed that at the very core of your being is a seed of iniquity and that somehow you are flawed.

WOMAN: I don’t believe in original sin.

KRIS: That is fine. Most people do not either, but if you understand original goodness then you are far better off, for it is the TRUE source of your being. When you do not trust yourselves, fearing that your apparently innate iniquity and flaws will somehow or other possess you completely, you project that onto others. So you not only do not trust yourself, you begin not trusting others.

WOMAN: Don’t you also project it onto yourself in the future and in the past?

KRIS: Along those terms, indeed. Hence, you have scores of people of many cultures who believe that their past selves did many things they must now pay for.

WOMAN: Aren’t they then in that moment paying for them since there is no time?

KRIS: Actually, the whole drama is an illusion. You individually and collectively get what you concentrate upon, so the more you mistrust yourself, the more you mistrust your neighbors, the more one nation mistrusts another, you have escalations towards war, destruction and annihilation of one or the other because you have all forgotten that the very core of your being has one purpose, GOODNESS.

Now, many individuals try to get this message across in many ways. You have many science fictions themes that seek to get this across, but many are also bogged down in distortions. But know that regardless of what occurs in your world, the very core of your being is filled with Goodness, and if you all collectively as a nation tapped into that power, it would radically change not only what you believe but the very face of your planet. It would change all aspects of your society.

Now we do not mean to sound like a preacher in the pulpit, but you do have an innate sense of what we are speaking about. And the more you fear the Core of your Being, the more you shun away this Goodness. It does not mean that you must be an idiot and throw yourselves at your enemies to show that you are made up of all good stuff, but it does mean that you can change the way you think about yourselves. Never mind thinking about others. Think about yourselves!

Once your perceptions about yourself are changed, then automatically your perceptions about others are changes as well, and that is the only place you will make a very powerful and impactful difference in the world. Change yourself and others will be changed because the whole of reality will gradually take up the cause, even if it takes eons of time in your understanding.

Now, this should not be a heavy discussion, but it is meant merely to try and get you to think that within the very core of your being, that place you call the heart, and it is not a physical heart, that inner place, is filled with joy, with peace, and a great and loving abandon for all beings, yourselves included.

Now we will take a few moments. You have a break and then we will return.

(BREAK)

(Kris comes back during break.)

KRIS: That is one reason why your society has more and more rules and regulations because there is a firm belief that if allowed, the unbridled self will cause havoc and destruction on all fronts. So you have legal systems, you have judicial systems, you have penitentiaries, you have despot rulers and dictators, you have tyrants who committed genocide, regardless of what flag they were flying. If you eliminate another culture, you are still a genocidal maniac. That is why many of your religions have for so long stressed instilling in their followers the fear of God, for if you allow your unbridled evil self some freedom God will strike you and smite you down. They do not preach about any loving deities. They do not instill the seeds of love within the self. They do not pursue the development of the individual’s love for self and others. And when they speak along those lines, it is usually to remind you what you would call your dark self.

So it is indeed unfortunate that somehow or other there is more trust in man’s so-called iniquitous self than there is in his goodness. Do you understand what we are saying?

There is indeed hope for your race, and that hope begins with each one of you abandoning the darker notions of your existence and focusing instead on the source of YOUR being, which originates within Goodness.

Now this notion that you get what you concentrate upon is not merely a philosophical statement. It was not something that was spoken once by a great Greek philosopher. It IS to be found in even your most ancient writings, perhaps in different ways, but it is still the one immutable rule in your universe, in your reality and dimension, that you get, each and every one of you that which you concentrate upon. Then you concentrate upon your fears and your flaws and your worries and then so-called bad things happen to you and you forget what you thought about. And then you scream ‘I am a victim of events and circumstances’, forgetting that you created those very events and circumstances in the first place, regardless of what they are.

So yes, there are groups who must feel it is necessary to remind the collective human race of the atrocities hidden within the human heart less it happen again, and because of that kind of thinking overall, you will still not be freed from it. So the onus is on yourselves not on others to remind you, NOT that you may harbor a killer instinct within you, but that instead you harbor a loving instinct within you.

QUESTION: Ultimately are we not to ‘not concentrate’ on anything?

KRIS: Then you get nothing.

QUESTION: What about the state of ‘no-mind’ that comes through meditation?

KRIS: In order to achieve such a state you must desire it. Correct? So you cannot achieve no-mind. The human mind is the one most powerful tool you have. With it you create untold realities, so the onus is upon you to create realities were the instinct to love is topmost. You cannot avoid thinking. Even if you were to cut your heads off you would still be. You still think. So it is imperative that you understand that you how and what you think is also important, just as the ants can no more stop themselves from foraging for food and from building anthills, then the beaver can stop himself from chewing wood and building dams or the bee to stop buzzing, collecting pollen and making beeswax and honey. So can’t you stop yourselves from thinking?

You are able to stop the physical brain from functioning. Simply blow your brains out. But we do not advise it or else your hairdresser will be very upset. So think you cannot stop thinking. Why not turn your most powerful tool to you advantage, and if it is to your advantage, it is to the advantage of others as well. So instead of feeling your loving instinct, why not release it and let it work for you. Instead of feeling joy, what do you do? You become depressed, you mope about and you fear that others will do you wrong.

So why not unleash onto the world your own joyous nature. If you want to see things happen plug into what we call The Joy Factor and see your world change before your eyes. Once you believe it, then the whole world will see it, and we are not advocating missionaries here. We are suggesting that you have the potential to change the most simple to the most complex situation in your lives. This requires one thing, trusting the joy and the love within you. It’s a simple premise. No? One that you can practice without anyone else. You do not have to wear strange robes, belong to any cults. You do not have to shave your heads nor your eyebrows nor do you have to walk upside down while chewing gum at the same time. You do not have to do strange diets and nutritional plans. You do not have to marry anyone you do not want to. You do not even have to say any prayers or learning any incantations.

Become joyous! When you see in the springtime mother bird bringing food to her young chicks in the tree and you hear them chirping, it brings you joy. When you see a child speak his or her first words or take their first steps, say Mama or Papa for the first time, when you see a kitten, when you see the leaves open up in the springtime, each of these reflects your joys. So if you send out joy, it will appear everywhere for you to see. What you concentrate upon is what you get.

Now, concentrate on relaxing and having a small break.

(BREAK)

(Session continues.)

KRIS: Now if each of you were born indeed with a blank slate, then your race would still be swimming with the amoebas in swamps because you would have nothing to work with.

Now you take your birth and do not necessarily remember all of the information or material that you have at your disposal. The experience of birth itself is quite shocking to the system and does act in part to block your access to a vast amount of knowledge that you have cultivated in many lifetimes. And it does so primarily because if you were to have all of that material at your disposal consciously, you most likely would not be able to function on the one task that is before you. It would be too difficult for you to narrow your focus to such a simple task as tying your shoelaces when you are very young.

You are not cut off from that font of knowledge, however. It can be made accessible, and eventually your cultures will see this as important. You are born with a certain set of what we shall call outlines, a certain primal type of blueprints that enables you to focus on certain directions, certain purposes of your birth. Perhaps it is coming here to learn more about compassion or love or understanding what it is like to be in another’s shoes or perhaps also to understand how it is that some people have a different belief structures, such as those who believe in their poverty or those who believe in abundance and perhaps to learn about entirely different things. But you always come here out of the desire to learn more, not because some kind of Space Committee has deemed you fit for punishment. Not because you have done something bad therefore you must fess up and lead another damned human life, but because there is a great joy to be in your bodies, to be yourselves, to experience yourselves as you are now. It does not mean that this so-called blueprint eliminates Free Will nor that you are forever unable to change your so-called destiny. You have a quality that is not to be found within the animal kingdom, for instance.

Now this spotted dog here cannot be anything but a dog, because these are the parameters of her consciousness. You, however, first of all do not have spots, and secondly you have something animals do not have, FREE WILL. We specifically isolate Free Will as opposed to intelligence, because there are some animals on your world that have a much larger brain than you do. Whales, for instance, their brain size makes yours look like walnuts. There is a reason for their large brain size.

You have Free Will, the capacity to always reach beyond your limitations, to be more than what you think you can be at any given time, and for that you make countless decisions. It is estimated that you entertain well over 15,000 thoughts in one day’s time. That is a lot of processing, unlike Pentium processors, you do not need upgrades, but you do need to keep the system clean, well functioning. This capacity of Free Will helps you make decisions, most of the time based upon information you think you do not have. You call it instinct, gut feelings, intuitions, or you call it your feelings. All of that nice woo-woo stuff. Most of your decisions are not based on any rational, logical system, though you THEN implement logic and rationale to round out your intuitive decisions, urges and impulses.

So first and foremost to insist that mankind is a logical creature is a fallacy, for he is not. Even some of the biggest and toughest business decisions in the world fly on gut feeling. So do not think you are something inferior or less than. If someone says ‘this is not logical’ you can see it is intuitively logical because your being, based upon your choices, based upon your decisions, based upon your Free Will has already unconsciously traveled down the paths of the future probabilities and sensed out a variety of potential outcomes, which is where your impulses or intuitions come into play. You do not know why but you know you must turn right as opposed to going straight through, as an example. This is but one.

What does this mean in relationship to this reality? It means that the future is malleable. The future is filled with potentials and possibilities. It can be molded like plastic. You do have certain guidelines or outlines, but within those parameters are unlimited possibilities. So you are not so much fated to meet someone, nor are you fated to this and that and the other thing, as much as your reality is the construction of your nature. Your thoughts make your things, because thoughts make things. So the notion that fate will see to things is partially correct and partially wrong because you have made decision, you have believed certain things. So reality more or less aligns itself in a way that is to your advantage, if you see it that way.

We hope that has answered some of your question.

QUESTION: You mentioned about keeping our thoughts focused upon the inherent goodness.

KRIS: Indeed, when you start fearing yourself, your impulses, no longer trust you, the innate power of your existence, then you start fighting yourself when yourself wishes to pull, you push, and when it wishes to push, you pull. You trip yourselves up. You begin to experience blocks, challenges, defeats and your worst fears become real because that is what you concentrated on. So if instead you concentrate on all possible advantageous outcomes, then what can you have? Nothing else.

Thus we dare each one of you, in fact to use your lingo, we triple dog dare you, for five minutes a day for the next week to reach within yourselves, to tap into that infinite pond of innate goodness, to bring it to the surface of your being and to open the hose full blast and from the core of your being you spray everyone and everything with your joy and your goodness, because you will be filled with it. So when someone says to you, ‘you are full of it’ you can say ‘indeed I am. I am full of goodness. I am full of loving intentions toward myself and toward you. So now you will be full of it too.’

Now, what is the time? (8:50 pm)

Do you have one more question? (Referring to a question at break where someone asked why Kris takes Serge’s glasses off.)

QUESTION: Yes! The eyeball question.

KRIS: Now eyeballs are not only for witch’s brews anymore. [Laughter] The eye is a rather delicate biological mechanism. It is said that the eye is the doorway to the soul. Correct? And there is perhaps a reason for that, because right now we have taken Joseph’s glasses OFF and since you could say we are the inner soul of Joseph, then it would allow you to see into his soul without any impediments of glasses. Now he has his own sets of beliefs that they are needed, and who are we to say whether he should have them or not. And if we did he would object. So we respect that, but we do not need his glasses.

QUESTION: So he needs his glasses because he BELIEVES he needs his glasses.

KRIS: Indeed.

QUESTION: So I have a belief that I need glasses.

KRIS: Indeed.

QUESTION: But what about before I got glasses the very first time? How could I have believed it them?

KRIS: There are many signals from your society. There are many people for instance who believe that someone with glasses has somehow or other a higher intelligence, whether or not they are. There are those who believe that they need some kind of an enhancement to the eyes to see things better. There are those with near sightedness, far sightedness, with astigmatism and so many other things, so each one according to their own and not one the same as the other.

But you could dispense with them if your beliefs were of such a nature. Now that does not mean that because you wear glasses you are somehow or other less spiritual or able to change your reality. They suit you fine, so wear them, as long as you understand that YOU do not need our glasses, but your eyeballs may. Do you see the difference?

(No)

You are not your eyes. You use them. You see through them. YOU do not need glasses. You think that you are material. You think that you have this particular life in this time and place. Even that you think that you are sitting in this room, but that is only a small slice of the reality of the entire self. That entire has many other desires and occupation, of adventures and explorations. You do not know all about yourself.

Now it does you no harm to think you are sitting here in this room, but it would enhance your perception if you were to understand that the part of you that is sitting here is not your entire self. And that self does not need glasses.

QUESTION: So if a person has an illness, they can also dispense with that if they….

KRIS: If they so desire it. They must desire it as much as the desire for the illness. Now it is not that you set yourself at the kitchen table and you design that by the year 2005 I will be crippled with osteoporosis and this and that, but collectively the seed of illness begins in the mind. The limitations start coming in and taking root. The energy is blocked up. This is in a nutshell, but the more you withhold life, the more its life giving powers are unable to reach you. Not that they are ever removed from you.

When the seeds of illness are sown, the individual will follow certain paths that will definitely enhance the growth of that seed into a full-blown illness, but the seeds are always originating within the mind, and they being with thoughts.

QUESTION: To have a desire in order to dispense with the illness that you desired to have do you have to believe? Or is that the same?

KRIS: You use the same tools. You must see yourself differently. The very context of your existence must change. For instance, there are those who go through life having only so-so an existence. They may believe various things, that they are unworthy or that having more means more corruption, that having power will corrupt them, that having money and riches will make them evil beings. Do you understand?

There are those who may also believe that life is not worth living to any extent because you only die in the end. Do you understand? These are all beliefs, and each one of those individuals will have a reality that will manifest those beliefs, because reality will reflect it. So if you change those things, those very thoughts, then the situation can be reversed. And you change them by desiring the opposite and eliminating the original foundation of the beliefs. That is why the poor are still poor, because they believe in their poverty. And the rich are still rich because they believe in their riches. And even a rich man unknowingly have accepted to believe that one day he may lose it all, to one day find himself living in the desert. And the poor man may through some apparent stroke of good fortune, come across a lottery ticket which may bring him millions. Now if he does not pursue the changes necessary within his mind, in a short time he will return to a state of poverty. But if he changes his mindset, he may be able to expand on his good fortune, include other and share. Do you understand? And then he will be truly a rich man.

So there are many, many combinations of beliefs, as many as the thoughts that you hold in one day. But all things can be changed and all things have their origins in the mind.

Now do you have any questions? (Not right now.)

KRIS: Indeed. You are most welcome to participate and ask your questions at any time. Now with all of that said and done, and since all things begin and have their origins in the mind, then again our triple dog dare stands. Be joyful in your own minds and others will be joyful with you. So enjoy your week, your creations, and bring some back next week. And in between now and then we send you much joy and blessings.

(END)

(Kris returns)

KRIS: Now. Genetic factors do have a certain degree of influence, but they do not determine the outcome of your existence overall. You use your parents’ genetic material to create your bodies, and some of your physical traits will resemble one or the other or both parents, but it does not mean that you will become your parents. You have Free Will. You came to the world with specific purposes in mind, your outlines, because your father’s grandfather and on and on may have had a predisposition to male pattern baldness does not automatically guarantee that you or the next male in line with demonstrate the same, unless you start focusing ‘by the time my father was 29 he was bald. My grandfather became bald at 29. My great-grandfather was apparently bald by the time he was 30. I am 25. I have only three years left or four years left before my own hair falls off.’ Then you start to worry. You start stressing and you start beaming up this entirely very strong belief that by the time you are 29 or 30 you will also be bald. And lo and behold, yes genetics were right, discounting that you spent the last 3 to 4 years obsessed with every single hair that came off your head and having a conniption when you found two. So the same principle applies all across the board. Yes indeed your physical body may have a predisposition to one or another thing, but it does not determine the outcome.

So yes, genetics is a fascinating field, but the mind is far more fascinating because it influences the genetics.

QUESTION: To what degree are we able to change our bodies?

KRIS: If you had the determination, you could change your body to a certain degree, but you cannot grow four arms, simply because you are not a Hindu deity.

QUESTION: You could grow new teeth or improve your eyesight, couldn’t you?

KRIS: It has actually been done. Now if you lose a limb, you also cannot grow it back at this point in time. Not at this point in time.

MARK: Is that simply because of the cultural belief system?

KRIS: Indeed

WOMAN: If you were removed from that, could you?

KRIS: That will also take time, because at those particular levels, your own unconsciousness is, shall we say, plugged into the collective, and so collectively, growing or re-growing a lost limb is still considered collectively as impossible.

WOMAN: Except in salamanders.

KRIS: That can be modeled, but your race has not accepted that as a possibility. You are dealing now with the collective belief structure. However, you still have the neurological pathways. Now this is referred to as a ‘ghost limb’. You are familiar with that? Because your self, though it might understand that it has lost the physical representation of a part of itself, still has not lost the imprint of that self as it imagined itself in three-dimensional reality.

Imagine that you are able to be in another place while you sleep on your pillow. What you call astral projection. You find yourself in a foreign land. You are able to use even enhanced senses as if your own particular sensory perceptions have been raised a notch or two so that you can feel and sense and taste and see and hear things in a more acute manner because you are not limited by the physical senses, but you are also using inner sense in conjunction with the physical. Yet you are sleeping on your bed. Somehow or other a portion of you finds itself in another place.

Now your inner self does not differentiate. YOU make the differentiation, but the inner self understands fully that it can be in those two places at once. A projection of its image is sleeping on your bed and another projection of an image of self is in another place, perhaps even in another time and place simultaneously. It has no difficulties accepting both realities.

Your inner self, in a manner of speaking, still if you were to lose a limb, still sees that extension of energy as quite valid, though it is no longer physically represented. Do you understand a little?

So indeed you can be in two places at once. That is a good thing for mothers to tell their children when they are naughty, because the self is not hindered by your ideas of time and space. You live out the consequences of your thoughts and beliefs, but the self is not so limited.

Now it is not that you are insignificant. On the contrary, you are much cherished. You are vital and valid representation of that self in this time and space, even though there may be other versions of yourself elsewhere. You are still a valuable representation of the Universe, for without you the world would not know itself as it knows itself now. So you make the world an entirely different place by the very fact that you are here in this time and space, that you took birth, the whole of history has changed. You may think of your lives as innocuously insignificant, irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Are you familiar with the Butterfly Effect? The same applies with you. You have no idea of how perhaps the simplest of your actions may actually influence people in another land in an entirely different way than you may have imagined. But you bring significance to the world. So allow your JOYOUS selves and the joy WITHIN that self to be a significant part of your experience. Make joy a significant thing!

So with that we will now leave you to your significances, each and every one of you and we look forward to seeing you again.

(END)

The Living Mobius Strip

January 13, 2003

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and transcribed by Marcy Singer
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 13, 2003
© Copyright 2006 Avion Rising Inc.

(Five people in attendance.)

[MARK’S NOTES: These older transcripts aren’t as detailed as the newer ones. Back then we did not record the breaks and my notes weren’t as complete as they are now.]

(Session begins)

KRIS: We beg to differ that you are as nothing, for were it not for your incarnating in this slice of time and space, the entire continuum of existence would be quite different than the one you now experience, both for yourself and for all living forms within that slice of time and space. So to say that you are nothing…..

QUESTION: What I said is that it SEEMS as if I’m nothing.

KRIS: Indeed because your apparent nothingness is actually a marvelous and most blessed extension is called ‘All That Is’, or the Universe. In other words, as well as you and you and each of you in this room is a three-dimensional expression of the Universe made physical. So you carry much weight in the scheme of things, for your thoughts give the Universe the opportunity to experience itself in an entirely unique, original and ingenious fashion that could not be duplicated in any way, shape or form, in spite of the fact that there are innumerable life forms within the span of the Universe.

So you truly have a unique perspective on life that cannot be matched, regardless of what each and every one thinks of themselves, you are still far more than the sum of all of your parts, both physical, psychological and otherwise, including all of your incarnations in the past, in alternate presence and futures, still you are more than all the combined aspects of your being because you have the same characteristics as the Universe itself. You are forever expanding in being.

So though it may seem to some of you that there must have been a beginning and therefore there must be an ending, these are only the appearances, whilst in reality you are an eternal and immortal consciousness, knowing no time nor space, but always yourselves.

The idea that you may have had a beginning makes sense at the intellectual, rational level, but you always existed before your physical self and you will exist after that physical self. Whether you have other physical selves or not, you will still be your precious and loving selves, always generating creating through the auspices of your ideas, your imagination, your feelings, your expectations, just as bees cannot help themselves in the manufacturing of honey, nor can beavers help themselves in any way shape or form than the creation of their dams. So you cannot help yourselves in the generating of ideas which are the basis for all realities. From within your mind come unlimited creations. Even if you tried to stop thinking, you could not generate that state, in spite of claims to that effect.

So you have within your grasp most unique opportunities not found in that way within your world. You have the conscious ego which enables you to direct thoughts in one way or another, according to the overall state of your awareness, and with those thoughts you manufacture worlds beyond even your imagination.

Now we hope that we have not blown you away too much.

QUESTION: Is there a Supreme Being?

KRIS: Not in the sense that you are imagining. The whole of creation is considered to be a gestalt just as we suggested a few moments before, that you are truly more than all the sums of all of your parts, so that consciousness cannot know itself in full because it keeps discovering more of itself all the time. And yet it does not think in the linear terms that you use. It does not see itself in the way that you see it. It is not one humanoid type personality, but rather an awareness, a consciousness that literally reinvents itself continuously through all of the forms that are created from its powers. So you are as much a unique expression of that consciousness as any one other individual in this room is.

QUESTION: So there IS an ‘it’ or a ‘that.’

KRIS: In so many words. And still defining it defies definition. So these definitions are mere approximations. We do understand the concept and the psychological state of wanting to find one’s connection with the source of being because you are composed of the same elements that compose it, so you have within each of you an instinctive call or drive, much like the salmon have an instinctive drive to return to the stream of their birth. You have a deep psychological drive, a need to reacquaint yourself with the consciousness of your own being. But looking at it from a linear perspective, it is easy to see why there are so many distortions in the ‘God’ concept within your various societies and cultures. And each one claims they have the copyrights on such an interpretation, and only their is valid, whilst in reality ALL of the world’s religions and interpretations and philosophies even together can only give you a small glimpse into the state of that consciousness. Do you understand?

And yet in spite of ‘All That Is’ and its vast perspectives, it still cherishes each and every life form that is an extension of its own self. Do you follow? Indeed.

So there are no excuses for trying to reach ‘All That Is’ through a middleman, so to speak, since you have your own private, innate link to this vast network because you are all part and parcel

We have mentioned in the past on this. The Bengali have a very nice term that we find ourselves partial to. And in Bengali it is “Achyntia Beda Beda Tattva”, which means that you are part and parcel of the divine simultaneously one yet different from that divine state. Do you understand?

Now we enjoyed this brief discussion so we will take a small break and that you can continue your discussions and we will return. And do not feel intimidated by your realizations that you are actually much more than you think. Let those currents bring you to further realizations and enjoy life that much more.

So do continue your conversations.

(Session re-starts after a short break)

KRIS: Now we trust that you have had some time to mull over what we talked about earlier and provided yourselves with an opportunity to think of interesting questions along those lines, we believe. You have some questions?

QUESTION: There was something that was mentioned in terms of time past, present and future, and I liken it to a series of mobius strips which expand and contract from a certain point, which diverge into different realities, different potentialities, and different options at any given point in time.

KRIS: You could consider the human body as a type of living Mobius strip, for where time and space intersect you find the living body, consciousness manifesting itself in three-dimensional reality, apparently from nothing into something. The physical body is made up itself of the very matter that is found within the soil that is found within the stars, within space, and assembled according to DNA coding to give you an appearance very similar and in combination of your parents in physical form.

Now you as a personality choose your parents before your birth as they agree or not to accept you as a personality to whom they will lend their bodies and DNA matter to generate for yourself a suit, so to speak, a vehicle, which you can then use to interact at the three dimensions physical level. However, the physical body is not your source of existence, for when you leave the physical body it eventually returns to the Earth and it becomes food for the worms.

Your existence is primarily outside the context of time-space as you understand it, but you extend your energies within physical matter through the auspices of your parents’ bodies and DNA structure or blueprint. And your personality focused outwardly to the physical world becomes enamored with the props that are found within physical reality to the point where the ego can lose touch with its own roots and firmly believe that the props ARE reality, that the props are all that there is. And when such beliefs become firmly rooted in one’s self to the exclusion of those deeper dimensions that make up your existence, there are often difficulties and confusions, most especially at the time of death where the ego struggles overly because it fears that it will annihilated, wiped out.

However, if you take the time whilst you are still fairly cognizant, you can help your ego understand that it is not the main portion of your personality and its relationship with the world of props and camouflage is not your primary existence but actually your secondary existence. Your primary existence is within the context of what you call the unconscious. Your existence is made up of thoughts and ideas and idea constructions, a universe all its own and that far outstrips anything you can put together in your physical world. And because of your own neurological structure and the way the synapses fire within your brain and the neurological pathways. Those thought constructions or idea constructions seem to slow down sufficiently so that consciousness can then be manufactured into the physical world.

Now these explanations are approximations, but close ones, to help you understand that there is indeed a definite process that is undertaken from the psychological self to the physical self and its interactions with the world of props or matter. There are definite pathways between the brain, physical body and what you call empty space from where it seems that all various forms take shape through the auspices of your industries, for example, so that stone and wood become tables and so on and so forth. Whilst in reality all of these props themselves are composed of atoms that vibrate at specific frequencies to give the appearance of solidity. And that appearance is confirmed only by the rods and the cones in your eyes and the sensory perceptions of your body, and apart from it, the whole of creation as you experience it is the result of thoughts, your individualized thoughts, your collective thoughts, and the thoughts of all life forms, and by life forms we do not mean YOUR interpretation of life forms but even the molecules and units of consciousness that compose the very atoms that make up the world of apparent solid matter.

So you are projections of your own self-image, what you think about yourself in one way or another is what appears in the physical world when you look into the mirror. And what others see is not necessarily what you are. What you see when you look at others is not what they are. That is the suit that they wear whilst in this environment. Beyond that you are beings of what we can describe as photonic energy or beings of light in simplistic words, and from within the core of your being you generate even more energy than is found in many suns put together. But because you hide that knowledge from yourselves you think you are as nothing, and yet the wholeness of your being is unfathomable, so you have at your disposal much power and energy, power and energy that can be used to transform the very space of your world and the world in itself, if you take up such a task. But it would necessitate that you come to terms with your limited ideas of yourselves and learn to look beyond that.

Do you have questions?

QUESTION: What do you see when you see us?

KRIS: We can perceive many different levels and as strange as it may sound to you when we say your psychological selves, which is difficult for you to imagine what that would mean concerning yourselves, but to us it is in part the combined incarnations of your whole selves spread out through the spectrum of time and space as you think of it. It also includes the deeper personality traits of all of those selves, even beyond what they think of themselves in time and space. We also can perceive many probable versions of your beings, perhaps even those selves that in so many words took a different path from your own existence. And we can definitely sense the deeper presence still of your own immortal and eternal state as we have just said. The only words we can use to convey are photonic energy, sources of light that would illuminate many suns themselves.

You think you are forty, fifty odd years of age, twenty, thirty, regardless of the numbers you think are attached to your bodies, and yet you think of us in return as perhaps ancient beings and you forget that you may also be as ancient and as dead as you think we are. And at the same time you are forever young and ancient beings. Since you exist outside the context of the flow of time and space, time and space cannot truly affect whom you are, but only the clothing that you wear over your souls, if you wish. You are immortal and eternal souls and in order to function in this system of reality you need a suit, much like the scuba diver needs to wear proper equipment in order to survive under the water for a set period of time.

So do you come into physical reality! You grow the suit of the body, and you wear it for the amount of time you deem necessary, for there are no committees that dictate when and where you drop that body. If there WERE such a committee they could never possibly agree on the proper day and time and so on. Your files would get lost. And when you deem that you have traveled sufficiently with this suit, you allow it to return to the Earth to be made into suits of tissue and blood and bone for others beings entering your system through the process of birth, and you continue the cycle. And it has been active for more years than you would care to look at the numbers.

Your Earth itself is far older than your sciences can admit to and comprehend. It has gone through innumerable cycles and many of the cultures that were on it are now completely recycled within it just as your culture will eventually find itself completely recycled and you will continue such a creative process. Your universe is not expanding to the point where there will be nothing, but instead continues creating life force of its own, always generating new worlds and new dimensions for others like yourselves to take form, to create, to live, to enjoy. Do you follow? Questions? Or dare you ask a question?

QUESTION: Can I ask about Jesus?

KRIS: Indeed.

QUESTION: Did Jesus really live or is he just a myth? Did he live in a body, in the flesh, and if so, where is he now? Is he a spirit?

KRIS: Definitely his bones are not found in any boxes or ossuary.

QUESTION: Supposedly the brother of Jesus has been found.

KRIS: There were three personalities that were eventually combined. The Christian, Judeo-Christian mythos is taken from over a dozen different myths that existed at about the same time. The main character viewed in that drama is the myth of Dionysus, the Greek god. There was a character or personality whose story is found in one of the later books of the Old Testament and historically projected at about 100+ years before the new era, and his name we believe is Joshua, whose own character was expanded upon in the writings from the character of the early Moses.

There was also another name in mythical meaning known as Mithras, also incorporated into this soup, and so many other small items from many other cultures. And if one were to carefully study these varying myths found around that time, it will be discovered if it is not already acknowledged that these characters, these mythical beings were themselves based upon ancient Egyptian myths of Isis, Osiris and Horus, the hawk god. In fact if one were to carefully the study the myths of Dionysus, Mithras, and so on, you would find they are all carefully constructed upon the character of Horus, the hawk headed God from ancient Egypt. Even the depictions of the Madonna and Child are not original. They come from the association of Isis and her child Horus from ancient Egypt and their myths originated elsewhere also. So there is in fact nothing new within the Judeo-Christian myths, in spite of all of their long-winded claims to originality.

QUESTION: Well, didn’t they originally come from the Sumerian and Babylonian based on Enki and others based on previous myths?

KRIS: If you look at some of history behind the ancient Palestinians and the Israelis, the Israelis were captured by the ancient Egyptians and by the Babylonians and they also incorporated the myths of those cultures into their own, frankly because their own were so pathetic and they found much more enlivened story telling from these other cultures, so they used those cultures’ myths to enhance their own. And cleverly combining pseudo-historical events and places, gave a semblance of historical authenticity, hence so much confusion that arises when one is able to do a clear and academic study and not get blinded by the stories themselves and see all the inaccuracies within them and even the plain and often blatant contradictions.

So yes, the origins of their myths come from other places. You could say it is a case of blatant and stunning plagiarism on a grand scale to the point where the plagiarized stories are then passed off as the original and the others as poor copies.

QUESTION: The church has made a great business out of that.

KRIS: It is a business. It is the business of selling salvation or damnation. So the entity that you refer to is the Christ Consciousness, and it was known to many of the Gnostic sects for hundreds of years before the literalist orthodox-bent Christians started to raise their voices and demand that their views on this mythical creator be received as the authentic ones. There is an entity whose purpose is to infuse the collective unconscious with powerful and raw and historically altering energies, free for the taking, and various cultures have taken what they needed and constructed their own myths. And it is not that one is wrong and one is right, they are all simultaneously wrong AND right because they fail to see the source behind the stories, which are basically stories that can elevate the human race much beyond its own limited present perspectives. It depends on the focus the race chooses at that one time.

There was an opportunity to explore consciousness and reality with a loving attitude, but instead these myths and that energy were used to try and dominate others and set up a precedence. But eventually those myths will fade and there will be the creation of entirely new myths. It only takes a few thousand years.

Now we understand that such a statement may be beyond your desires, but it only takes a few thousand years to create entirely new world changing mythos, and you will get there. You may even find yourselves interested in reincarnating at such times because it will once again bring the promise of a new world.

QUESTION: Now Kris you did say that Jesus as a man did live, but that at that time there were many prophets.

KRIS: Indeed. In fact you could say there were almost as many prophets as you have lawyers.

QUESTION: So he was one of many.

KRIS: He was slightly more vocal and extremely temperamental.

QUESTION: But wasn’t a lot of his mythos based on the older mythos from even further back than that? Not the person himself but the idea.

KRIS: Indeed. If you read, for example, the Sermon on the Mount, you may find an almost literal transliteration of a similar so-called sermon given by Horus, which dates back to even further cultures. Now the Sumerians, the Akkadians and many other older cultures such as the Rama civilization, there were many others that had yet even older sources, but these stories, these myths are propagated over thousands of years and even eons, they change, they evolve, as they should because they generate new worlds.

And in spite of the atrocities committed by the early Roman Church, such as sending the European world into the Dark Ages, out of that came many beautiful aspects of your civilization – the Renaissance, the Byzantine era, the Baroque age and so on and so forth, all each producing geniuses within those periods, much of which still abounds in your present culture. In your present idea of democracy stem from many of those sources and even beyond them. So your foundations are ancient and you will change them over time, and your changes become the foundation for other cultures, and the cycle will continue. And again, perhaps some of you in this room may decide to incarnate in those times just so you can add your grain of salt to the process and bring your unique insights to them. Does that answer our question?

QUESTION: Well, Jesus said, ‘Heaven and Earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.’

KRIS: And what does that mean to you?

QUESTION: It means that in essence that Jesus will never pass away.

KRIS: Now, the word is a translation of LOGOS. Logos stems from many cultures, you could call it breath, you could call it energy; you could even call it consciousness, the source of all life. So indeed worlds will come, worlds will go, planets will take birth, planets will die, solar systems will be created, solar systems will die, all forms of energy will be assimilated and used to create new forms of energy, and still consciousness will always remain because form and matter come from consciousness just as your physical bodies could not in any way shape or form have existed without you being in them.

That is why your scientists can never simply take minerals and proteins, enzymes, bacteria, throw them in a test tube and say ‘okay now, make a life’, because there is no consciousness, per se, that is in that test tube, even though each of the elements within the test tube are consciousness, it still needs a personality to give it shape and direction. So in some ways one of the main reasons why some of you feel drawn to connecting with a higher source than yourself is because the consciousnesses that make up your physical body, the atoms and molecules of your small toes, of your large toes, of your shinbones, of your fingers, of your ears and everything in between see YOU as the source of their being because when you leave that body, they in turn return to the elements. So you, your energy gives them a specific reason for coming together, intersecting in time and space into a biological, spiritual being. Does that make sense to you?

QUESTION: It gives “Being” new meaning.

KRIS: And in other words then you are viewed as the God within your body that is what it means. And in return you seek to know yet a higher source because you exist in a larger medium than your body. So you are indeed truly blessed to have an understanding along those lines. Do you understand?

QUESTION: So was Jesus like a movie star of that day and age?

KRIS: Perhaps a small rock star.

QUESTION: Was love consciousness coming through that body?

KRIS: To a certain degree. The personality was later enhanced and other myths were added to it, and then when the Council decided to formalize the creed of Christendom and at the same time eliminate any competition by writing out all other sect and codes, they changed many of the tenets and the wordings, took out portions that contradicted the NEW established views, and ended up still messing it up by leaving undeniable goofs. For instance, there are several instances speaking of reincarnation within the New and the Old Testament that they forgot to remove.

QUESTION: There is also the contradiction of the singular and plural referring to God in the same verses, which creates a separate contradiction, because that shows that they merged all these different concepts and tried to make them into a singular entity.

KRIS: Indeed, the early Israelites and peoples of that portion of the world were far from monotheistic. In spite of their claim as the originators of such a concept, they were not. Each tribe had a variety of Gods and Demi-Gods and the God of one tribe conquered the God of another so the new God became the chief deity, and the conquered Gods were allowed to survive, but often only on the condition that they now be considered prophets of now the new God.

QUESTION: That’s why they said ‘thou shalt have no other Gods before me’, meaning that everybody could stand behind me but nobody could stand in front of me.

KRIS: Indeed, so that eventually ended up creating much confusion, so they had to again rewrite some of the stories to try and polish it up, but with translations upon translations they missed out. For instance, when the original King James version was released to the public, there were officials who sent an older Greek original copy of such a work to the king of England, and in comparison they noted that they had over twenty-two thousand errors, but the deed was done, so they literally threw away the original because it would make it difficult.

So there are many things that are amiss in your world. This is why many people nowadays are realizing that there are so many inconsistencies and so many things that do not make sense, but we are told not to question, but the soul, the human mind, DOES question. That is what it does best. It questions so that it can create. Then you are told that if you question you will be damned, so you have a conundrum. What will YOU believe?

Now what is the time. (8:50 pm)

Are there other questions? Perhaps something less biblical? You realize of course that our previous discussions are quite old.

QUESTION: Concerning the concept of courage. How does one understand the power of courage to burn through fear or to merge the lower and higher self? I’m trying to understand it not only in my own life but in a more universal way.

KRIS: It may be easier on yourself and you may make things easier on yourself if you understand that perhaps there is no need to separate your so-called higher and lower self, or even need to make such divisions. The self is the self. Whether a portion of it camouflages its own self through the auspices of flesh and bone, that does not make it a lower self where somewhere else there is a higher self. Do you understand this? You are a whole self. The more you try to understand artificial divisions of higher and lower self, the more difficult and confusing it will get.

Overall you are a whole self. You might not manifest that whole self at any one time, and for good reason. But nonetheless you are not a lesser creature for it. The Judeo-Christian concept is still strongly steeped in your society, which sometimes has that the carnal self will lead you to damnation, so you must control it and stamp down upon it so that you bring forth higher instincts, more spiritual ones. Do you understand? And the more you struggle with such definitions, indeed it seems more confusing.

So our suggestion is that you put aside such philosophical debates and look at your whole being as an eternal and immortal consciousness. Whether a portion of that being is made physical or not is irrelevant. You are still whom you are. Correct?

If you wear a dark suit one day and a light suit the other and the next day you wear jeans a t-shirt, are you a different self? Indeed not. You are still yourself. Correct? So, whatever the suit that you wear, allegorical or not, you are still whom you are, an eternal and immortal consciousness.

The courage comes from actually trying to integrate such a concept in your existence, which means that you may encounter your own limiting beliefs upon regular intervals even. The chatter of the mind to contradict your own views on freedom may make it difficult at times. But by allowing yourselves to live freely of limitations brings its own powerful rewards. Do you follow?

QUESTION: On an abstract level, yes.

KRIS: Indeed. Now then, bring the abstract into your own emotions.

QUESTION: I just get bogged down in the programming and fears.

KRIS: And when you then recognize that these are merely playbacks of old scripts and films you can take a moment to dissociate yourself from the script and understand that ‘these are only my limitations and not my true self’. If you become a character actor and you take on stage a specific persona, let us say you are Hamlet, and on stage you recite the famous lines ‘to be or not to be’, does that mean that you are Hamlet? Indeed not. You are a person playing that role. Correct? And you know without a doubt that as soon as you walk off the stage, the character of Hamlet washes away from you like so much water off a duck’s back, that you remain yourself completely. So you are always the same. And when other scripts want to make themselves known and you recognize it as such, it is but a small matter for you to understand that. And the more you practice at this, the better you become.

We hope that this is understandable, because now we will return the evening to your precious and lovely selves, regardless of the characters that you think that you are, regardless of the lives that you think you are tied to, so that you can enjoy your unlimited possibilities. And we wish you a most pleasant week and many adventures in between. So do take care and know that now only are you loved, but that you are capable of loving yourselves as much as any one individual can love you, and take that to heart. So then, have a pleasant, loving week.

(KRIS RETURNS)

KRIS: You have with [James] Van Prague and [Jon] Edwards and many others, a most interesting phenomenon, and certainly it makes for television ratings and it may even increase their backgrounds and there should be no judgment along those lines. But it also represents an interesting phenomenon, that of human consciousness having an understanding that life does not end or disappear with the demise of the physical body.

So you have always had in your cultures throughout recorded history and beyond, individuals who communicate with the so-called dead or deceased in one degree or another. And you will always have them as long as there are larger segments of society that claim that once the physical body dies then consciousness is ended, because consciousness does not begin and end with the body. The body is the result of consciousness. Matter is the result of consciousness, not the other way around. And your sciences are barely beginning to recognize this phenomenon.

So you will always have individuals like Van Prague and Edwards and others because human consciousness will not be denied its existence. You are nit a mish mash of chemicals in a bag of flesh, but a LIVING life force, and that life force phenomenon exists beyond the confines of the body. And as long as there are those who deny, there will be those who promote it.

There will come a time when the apparent dichotomies in those world views will come to terms with each other. Then you will have an entirely new experiment in social psychology and collective experimentation with life forms and consciousness. But in the meantime, enjoy the apparent controversy, knowing that you are much more than your physical selves, than your appearances, all across the board.

We merely wish to express this small point, and we hope that Joseph’s knee is not bruised. [Laughter] So do enjoy your immortal consciousness and behave accordingly. You say in your society that you are children of God. If you are the child of such a being, what will you be when you grow up? That is for you all to ponder and determine. So enjoy your childhood and beyond.

[MARK’S NOTES: The comments at break indicated that the questioner did not understand what Kris had just told him/her regarding Jesus.]

(KRIS RETURNS)

KRIS: Now that you have focused much more on whether we answered you in one way or not, we did answer you, but you did not want to pay attention to what could have been answered. We did say that he was a highly controversial and very temperamental individual, prone in fact to throwing things around, but that man was only one part of the recipe. The main character for what your society considers Jesus Christ, which is a misnomer, is Joshua from the ancient Testament. That is where the life was originally depicted. He was a rabbi and often not overly kind to those who might express other ideas. So the originator of the myths that you now have took that man and Joshua and then Dionysus and then Mithras and then Horus and blended them together.

Do not forget that culture at that time was spread far and wide, that the inhabitants of ancient Palestine and Israel were not isolated. They were smack in the middle of the Roman Empire and all of the dangers that implicated. There were many, many warring factions within their own tribes. Still after over fifteen hundred years they were fighting. The Romans, in spite of being cast as the villains, were themselves damned tired of these various cults and sects and groups infighting and killing themselves for sometimes the most trivial philosophical statements, and they wanted to establish order amongst these apparent crazy people who would take arms if you even breathed differently.

So this man that became the seed of the myths was caught in the middle of this. And when the mythmakers set their machinery in action, they realized the original man could not possibly carry the weight of so-called world salvation on his own. He simply did not have the intestinal fortitude for it. So they started adding pieces to create a larger puzzle. They took the life of Joshua and tagged it on. They then took the myths of Dionysus the Greek God and brought it into play and of Mithras and brought it into play, and so many others.

And amongst that you have a variety of other cultures and nations traveling that part of the world, the ancient Buddhists and other sects, cultures from India, from Tibet, coming and flowing. You had monastic cultures set up all over Egypt and Alexandria with roots as far north as Ireland and Scotland. And you had druids. You had all types of Germanic groups with their own druidic cultures all tied in. Commerce and travel in that part of the world was actually far more common. How do you think the Romans were able initially to travel to those foreign lands? Because the routes were established! They had already traveled the routes set by Alexander the Great into the eastern cultures. The Romans were a clever group and as we have said, in spite of being cast as the villains in this psychodrama, they did try to establish an order of sorts, but the experiment did not work.

So to answer your question, there was a man, but he is NOT, or was NOT the individual that later became crowned The Son of God, because you are all sons and daughters of gods, you are the children of the Universe. So the man became mythologized out of all human proportions.

And by the way, the addition of the word Christ to his name was meant to try to imply his divine origins. That was a title that was easily passed on within Gnostic groups. They did not see and understand that not only one man could be Christ, but all men and women could be Christ, which meant ‘the enlightened one’, which originated in what you call India, for there was traffic between these lands just as in ancient India there were many titles given to enlightened ones. The Buddha does not mean one being but it can be any being who decides to be enlightened. So that means you all have the potential to be Buddhas. You all have potential to be Christ, and because of the distortions over time you are unable to become Christ because you think that was one being.

QUESTION: Jesus said ‘the kingdom of God is within you.’ Or maybe he didn’t say that.

KRIS: That is what the books write. Remember that the books were written by MEN with AGENDAS. That saying stems from far back in time where there was knowledge that you can reach beyond the boundaries of your own limitations and become enlightened on your own, that you do not need a middleman. In fact those myths and those stories were originally written to convey to the reader that he or she has direct access to his or her own divine origins. THAT is what those stories are supposed to convey, not that one group has the copyrights on any divine source, and for a price we will give you the secrets, and the price is usually your unquestioned devotion to the decrees and the dictates.

So the stories mean that you must in some way find yourselves to be enlightened and enlightenment has nothing to do with gurus. It has to do with a deep, abiding sense of loving abandon to the elements of the life that YOU create. So enjoy your lives because they are precious indeed. Through your lives you find your divine source, each one of yours different from the other. So do become Christs, each and every one of you and you need not worry come Easter time you will find yourselves crucified, unless you so desire. So do enjoy Easter eggs as well and have fun with life.

You will not find enlightenment by becoming sour and serious, but by living all of your desires. Life is not meant to wear kid gloves. Do you understand? It is meant to take the gloves off and meet each challenge with full faith in YOUR abilities to carry yourselves through any challenge because you create them in the first place. So our challenge to you is to enjoy your lives. You are not damned because of it! You are loved because of it! So have fun with life, for in your next life you may not remember these conversations. So remember the one well, and enjoy yourselves.

ALL: Thank You.

(Session ends)

Saint Chrodora

January 11, 2003

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Ottawa, Canada on January 11, 2003
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

(PREFACE: Mark is unemployed and is looking for work. Mark and Serge have been invited to help form a business venture group, which didn’t pan out as planned.

SERGE’S NOTE: the information from Kris on Saint Chrodora stemmed from something I had read back in late 1997 or early 1998, concerning a small archeological dig in Belgium during road construction. A sarcophogus was discovered in a underground chamber, and archeologists easily determined that the effigy of the individual on the coffin lid was a bishop, from the bishop’s crosier and mitre (hat). However they were apparently perplexed as the individual depicted was that of a woman. It was determined that she was a female bishop from the old Irish Christian Church from before when the Vatican annexed the Irish Church, somewhere before the end of the ‘Dark Ages’ and her name Saint Chrodora was inscribed on the lid. In those days the old Irish Church apparently allowed women to not only particiapte but to even hold high office in the church. The Irish Church abandoned the practice of ordaining women as a condition to being taken over by the Vatican, or else they would have perished.

Kris has also given some more information on her recently in relation to two other individuals during private sessions.

At that time (1997-1998) I became almost obsessed with trying to find out more. I was living in Ottawa, Canada’s capital where the Belgian Embassy is located, and in spite or repeated inquiries, they were of no help. I also contacted museums in Belgium, to no avail. My personal conclusion is that this archeological discovery would have challenged the ‘official’ roman catholic history, therefore shortly after the discovery was announced, it was not to be mentioned, in the hopes people would forget about it and it would go away. If anyone comes across any relevant information, we’d be very happy to receive your communication on this.

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(Session begins at 6:15 PM.)

MARK: Hello.

KRIS: We trust that you have had so far a most promising foundation for the upcoming year and it would be to your advantage to redo the meditation that we provided Monday evening on a periodic basis over the next few weeks, simply to engrain within your unconscious pattern the desired goal. You will find it highly profitable.

MARK: Thank you. I like your choice of words there, (referring to “profitable”). I found it not only very positive but also very rewarding.

KRIS: Now, there are many issues to cover and perhaps using what you have experienced today with your group, going back over many of the conversations that we have had with you over the last year, you will see that in spite of your own sabotage, many of the things that we have mentioned and suggested have actually SEEDED the timeline so that you could be part of the project that was formulated today and we did mention to you that within three years time, one year which is already past, you will both be able to live comfortably and now in hindsight taking many of these clues that we have left over the last year you will see why you are part of today’s group. Do you understand? Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: Now, many times we actually CLOAK many of the things that we say, and perhaps we only drop some of them as generalities so that Joseph does not block or interfere and that is to both of your advantages.

MARK: Yes I understand and I see how you do that.

KRIS: Now with time Joseph himself will become more secure. That is always a quality that we respect that keeps him somewhat humble.

MARK: Yes, we like him that way. Honest with good morals. Umm, work wise. Getting away from this venue that we are following, is there work for me in the near future? I have done a bunch of resumes and put stuff out there.

KRIS: Do keep in mind that you did drop off resumes and that is all that you have done. If you EXTEND yourself to actually pursue, follow up and perhaps even to stalk them so that they know that you are in relentless pursuit. They will give and if they do not you will still find because your mental frame over the last two months has actually been more one of despondence than one of picking up the gauntlet and challenging your own limitations, rather coasting upon your own limits and without saying so bemoaning the fact that you are without. Do you understand?

So now you have an opportunity to KICK your challenges.

MARK: Now you also said about a year ago that June of this year is be a point where we can I guess start living off of the business rather than having outside employment.

KRIS: This is still a possibility but it is not that immediately you will be able to drive a Cadillac you might have to do with a PINTO. (Laughter)

It is still four wheels. Do you understand?

Things start there. Now perhaps between the second and third week of February there is the possibility, a good possibility of almost repeating the pattern from last year where you might be called upon to do some part time work. Now here use hindsight as you HAD, the possibility of part time employment with the phone call that you received but you did think that you were doing the right thing by putting out a higher salary and you now realize that this did not come about. Someone could have been able to offer slightly lower would have received that.

MARK: Yes but he was also not forthcoming with the information that I was trying to get out of him because I had NO idea what it would encompass. I also tried to make it clear that it was not engraved in stone. I do realize what you are saying though.

KRIS: In the future find the negotiable possibilities so that you still have something that rewards you without having to be enslaved to the work.

MARK: That is part of my problem too is that last part time job really wanted a full time person but only wanted to pay part time. That is one of the reasons that I made that quote but I also made it clear to them that I was open (to negotiations).

KRIS: A good idea when you do receive such calls, do not be satisfied with just throwing an offer upon them and waiting for the phone to ring back. Take the name, number and all the necessary coordinates and pursue them. That way you will find negotiations still available.

MARK: Yes. I hate when they ask that LOADED question. You don’t want to screw yourself but you don’t want to screw them either.

KRIS: At the same time they do not necessarily know how to ask or seek what it is that they need. You have the experience so you can then perhaps, in a round about fashion, let them know what it is that they are looking for and what they NEED to ask.

MARK: So do you see on the horizon though, outside the film industry, in the near future, possibilities of what you just said that if I go out and start hounding them?

KRIS: We have suggested that by mid February you will get a phone call. That one may prove productive and at the same time the majority of people set their sights upon one particular employment venue and then they stay there. Our suggestion especially in your case, that whilst you have some part-time or perhaps full part-time work, that you do not mentally lock yourself into that pattern but keep yourself available for other opportunities such as the opportunity presented to you by the group this afternoon.

MARK: Getting into some other questions, what about Joseph’s question. You know the one I mean? The Irish Bishop female Saint found in Belgium?

KRIS: Indeed. (Long pause) There is not much information historically available because many of the Irish Catholic Church’s records were both confiscated and burnt by the Vatican. The individual in question died at approximately 48 years of age, give or take a few. She had, unlike many European women received a solid education in both academic and spiritual teachings in her own country of origin, which is Ireland. (Note that Kris says Ireland with an Irish accent).

She entered the female monastic lifestyle early approximately 8 years of age. Eight or nine years of age, being trained in the teachings of the early Irish Church, which could easily have been considered Coptic Church, meaning not quite Orthodox. She travelled to the European mainland via England. By the time she was approximately twenty-seven / twenty-eight years of age, she had endured many hardships on the European Continent.

Contrary to the Roman Church’s dictates, many women in the Irish Church were eligible for the title of Priest or Priestess. Much of the early roots of the Irish Church had successfully incorporated what is often referred to as Pagan rituals and Paganism into an orderly fashion adding to the base of information of the whole community and to its benefit, whereas the Roman Church found if they could not bend the ways of the individuals they would simply eliminate the individual.

MARK: It was to the Church’s benefit and not the citizen’s?

KRIS: The Irish Church however found many ways to enhance both themselves and the individuals which MEANT that to the Roman Church there was the HIGH likelihood of infiltrations and heretical values, propagating to pollute the so-called one true faith. Do you understand?

This individual later referred to as Saint Chrodora.

MARK: how do you spell that?

KRIS: We believe it is spelled CHRODORA. We believe that her original first name was Clarissa and as she moved up the ranks she was given a more appropriate name befitting her station. (Pause), we believe she was known both for her kindness and the sagacity of her words, sagacity meaning that she was wise. Now Joseph’s impressions were initially confusing, but we hope that he had gotten the proper re-direction concerning this lifetime. That indeed it WAS one of our lifetimes.

MARK: That it wasn’t. Where was the fascination drawn from? (Note my misunderstanding of what was actually said.)

KRIS: A deep recognition, this may have had something to do with him even indirectly. So, we tend to keep many of our lives at least to some degree in close proximity and he DID encounter us in that lifetime as a novice in the old sect by this late Saint.

MARK: Was Philip there too?

KRIS: You were employed in the grounds, in the gardens.

MARK: Oh sure, I’m the gardener!

KRIS: You were not merely a gardener but also an herbalist, which also meant that you were wise in the ways of the herbs, which in those times was also seen as the Doctor.

MARK: And Joseph was a novice?

KRIS: Indeed, a young novice.

MARK: This brings a couple other questions to mind? You said that you started contacting Joseph in the seventies. When did you start contacting me?

KRIS: We could say approximately the same time, more than from behind the scenes. Perhaps tweaking some of your intuitions or those often-profound thoughts that would flash through your mind but not having much reference for them you would often forget them almost immediately. Do you understand?

So we simply tried to keep an eye out and when it was appropriate, perhaps nudge you here and there, help direct your thoughts so that eventually you would pursue the path that you had desired from before this lifetime.

MARK: Do you have any plans to incarnate again?

KRIS: Not in YOUR terms.

MARK: Not as a human, in other words.

KRIS: Not in YOUR terms.

MARK: Does Joseph?

KRIS: Now in a way Joseph is one of our incarnations but that is as far as it goes. We will not take on more energy to invest in a particular form in physical reality. This venue is more suitable now to what is needed.

MARK: Okay. Here is a loaded question. Science fiction has people travelling in time. Is it realistic to say that a person in a conscious state can travel and participate in another time?

KRIS: But you already do. When you close your eyes and imagine another lifetime you become absorbed in the details. You ARE indeed travelling to that particular experience if not even CREATING it. That is also valid travel through time and space.

MARK: But in the physical, can such a machine be built or even using the mind can we transport in the physical?

KRIS: Again you already do that. Understand more clearly your definition of physical. Right now if you close your eyes and you see Diamond Cove off of Waikiki Beach in Honolulu and you see the gentle waves lapping at the white sand beach, you see the tall Diamond Cove Mountain in the backdrop, you see the tall palm trees, you see perhaps a freighter off the horizon, you see in the distance surfers, people on their yachts, you see on the other side of the beach the tall hotels and the cityscape. You are able to smell and literally taste the salt air and the gentle warm breeze off the ocean brushing against the hairs on your body, rapping you in an envelope of salty warmth, feeling the warm Pacific waters on your toes, lapping at your ankles at the beach side. You feel the heat of the sun rise and reflect off of the sand. Then you are in another place. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: Though a portion of your consciousness is still fixed here another portion of your consciousness has just gone there. Now, you can actually modify the time that you have gone there by using the same methodology. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes I do. (I say something about the 1950’s that I can’t quite discern).

KRIS: Perhaps the time of the voyage of Captain Cook or perhaps you will go further back in time when native Hawaiian aboriginals travelled in their catamarans or their long canoes, went fishing or perhaps trading with other villages in nearby towns, before the arrival of white men. Then all it needs is your focus to SHIFT so that not only are you in another place but you could be in another place AND time simultaneously. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes I do.

KRIS: So it is a matter of shifting the focus and not the body. Basically you can not go to another time because the body is only an image in cellular form of your personality. You are projecting your own personality into January the eleventh 2003. You could and you do as easy project the same personality into January 11th, year 1710 though you might not be aware of doing so. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes I do.

KRIS: So TIME travel is also “Shift of Consciousness”.

MARK: If I can shift that consciousness can I be interacting …If I… can someone in Hawaii interact with me if I am sitting here and projecting (there)?

KRIS: In your visualization, you may speak with someone, who may or may not answer you back. You may even suggest that they WRITE you at your email address or in any other form. Now whether their conscious ego will accept the material is another matter and there are still many differentials to play with, but overall it is possible.

MARK: So I could give someone my email address and actually have someone write me?

KRIS: If that is remembered when they come to conscious awareness. You might even have someone tell a friend that they had the most bizarre experience, they thought that they heard someone but there was no one there because not all of their senses may pick you up and if they do even, not all of their conscious mind may actually accept the fact.

MARK: Okay. (Pause), something that you said before triggered a response from me. You said something to the effect that I probably would not recognize myself if I were to encounter or WHEN I encounter myself or a branch of myself that has gone off to explore a different probability.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: So, different probabilities intersect.

KRIS: That does occur. Not on a regular basis, and not all of your selves look the way that you do. Some of your selves may even be female.

MARK: So, let’s talk about the “Marks” that branch off into different probabilities. Do they intersect with each other?

KRIS: Sometimes, in some ways, although it is rare and again NOT all Marks look like YOU. Some have not added those extras fifteen pounds. (Laughter).

MARK: (Still laughing). Interesting!

KRIS: And some have added more.

MARK: I understand the concept that Philip is incarnated in different places of the world, at different ages, in different races and in different sexes, that concept.

KRIS: For instance, if you or a portion of you has incarnated in a Middle Eastern climate, you may not recognize that one at all, because you would have picked up the genetic material of his parents.

MARK: Yes. You explained that one of the safe guards is that I don’t know, even if I were to visit there and walk into myself. One of the other questions that I had is why are the remains from other probabilities found in THIS probability or reality?

KRIS: This is because NO SYSTEMS ARE EVER CLOSED. There is ALWAYS a free flowing and channels of information of one type or another for the mere survival of these systems depends upon it. If any one system were completely closed off, it would suffocate without the influx of energies and without its own system giving energies to others. If a system is closed off, it will in a way, diminish.

So there are automatic energy gateways. Some are called black holes, others are called white holes and others that we call “no holes”. They are gateways to exchanges of energy, much which sustain your system just as much of your energies go elsewhere to help sustain others.

MARK: So there might be human remains in a different realm just as we have Cro-Magnon Man in ours?

KRIS: Other systems may find ancient remains that they cannot explain of a humanoid skeletal remains that had the ability to ambulate, perhaps had five digits on its hand, five digits on its foot, as apposed to those that are now living in those systems. So YOUR remains, your species remains become an anomaly, unexplainable mystery just as you have yours on this world.

There are remains of individuals who easily stood eight, nine or more feet tall. Many of these were found in the mounds of Louisiana and upper sates that have not been successfully explained because at one time on your world there were much taller individuals.

MARK: What about the “Star Child” in Nasca, the grey alien skull called the Star Child?

KRIS: We suggest that you keep that question for another time. The answers might be more elaborate than we care to go with today.

MARK: What does the Trillium Machine do? Were you the Trilliums?

KRIS: Indeed, a portion thereof. Now, this may indeed be brought up at your next business venture meeting. This machine will indeed ionize the air of a room or a house with a bigger machine. The ionization process itself will enhance the health of any living form within it, plants, animal or human. It will realign or help realign the magnetic properties in the cellular structures of the individual, thus allowing individuals the opportunity to regenerate their cellular structure in a way that brings about a stability of health. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes. Is this ionizer any different than any of the ionizers that are on the market?

KRIS: Indeed. This is not merely to CHARGE…

MARK: Particles.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: So at a later date we could actually get the plans for this again?

KRIS: Indeed although somewhere Joseph has those schematics. They should be dug up and if you proceed with this you may be able to produce two versions of this machinery, small for one room, larger for a house. In fact, while you are searching for your receipts, include within that search, the papers for that information.

The original plans for that machine were physically constructed but it is possible to do it with better materials instead of copper piping, copper wires which would be substantially less expensive.

MARK: I take it that the original machine is considered lost.

KRIS: Indeed NOT but it is not functioning properly.

MARK: Is it in the hands of someone that Joseph knows?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Does he know it?

KRIS: Indeed. Ask him it is not a secret.

MARK: I just thought that it was given away or handed down or something.

KRIS: Indeed not.

MARK: Cool. Do some people contain more units of consciousness than others? (Pause) I am taking this of course from Star Wars and the “Metachlorian” counts.

KRIS: The question itself does not make quite some sense.

MARK: Well, if it is the smallest unit that everything is made up of, each molecule is made up of units of consciousness, wouldn’t larger people have more?

KRIS: Indeed so. Larger forms or smaller forms do not have more or less. Does a big thought and a small thought…

MARK: Ahh, it doesn’t matter. So people with a larger count don’t have any greater abilities?

KRIS: Actually the question is or rather larger forms do not have more than small forms. Units of consciousness are not comparable in that way. A large brain indeed has more cellular matter but it does not mean that the consciousness is more.

MARK: That was basically my question. I guess that is all I have for now.

KRIS: Then we will take our humble leave of you.

MARK: Thank you.

KRIS: There are many other things but they can wait. We do however reiterate our suggestion from the beginning.

MARK: Get on the phone.

KRIS: Indeed. Now with that we leave you to a most pleasant weekend.

MARK: Thank you.

(Session thought to have ended).

(After the session ends Mark starts to tell Serge about the conversations that took place, including the incorrect information about Saint Chrodora but Kris quickly comes back to set the record straight).

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(7:00 PM. Session re-starts)

KRIS: If you listened correctly, we did tell you that Saint Chrodora was an incarnation of ours.

MARK: You DID say?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I though that you said that it wasn’t. Oh, okay. So it WAS you?

KRIS: Indeed. It is not US as you know it but this was an incarnation of ours.

MARK: I thought that you were studying as a novice.

KRIS: Joseph was the novice and you were the herbalist healer.

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: So now that all of your selves have been properly catalogued, we will be gone.

MARK: Thank you.

(MARK’S NOTES: Part of my confusion was because at that time I was under the impression that Serge was a focus of Kris).

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