The Creative Power of Thought

December 16, 2002

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 16, 2002
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip) Andrea (Jarasen), Lida (Miriam), Grant, Joshua, Clare and Susan

(Mark’s Notes: After leaving work, Clare was waiting for her ride so that she could come over and listen to Kris. Grant, who was a total stranger to Clare, somehow or other became engaged in a conversation with her. She told him about Kris and he asked if he and Susan could also come. She said sure.)

Session begins in the middle of question.

QUESTION: …when you are going to be born, when you’re going to die, so there is no freewill? What is that all about?

KRIS: Now if you understand the very premise of your existence, you will come to realize that you have free will over and above any other so-called being who would force you or take you on a path that is not overall in agreement with your own chosen venues. And by that we mean first of all, you are not immediately conscious of all of your thoughts at the same time. Correct? You are aware and conscious of some of your thoughts at any given time, so obviously you would not want to remember exactly how and when and why you may choose to exit your physical life. You may constantly change that particular ending to this chapter of your life.

So there are times when you do not make yourself consciously aware of your decisions. It is a fail-safe mechanism that prevents you from, pardon the expression, but screwing up the works, as it were. (Laughter) Your own works, for that matter. So you learn how to keep certain things from yourself and keep certain things to the forefront of your conscious awareness. But overall you are always aware and knowledgeable about your thoughts, though you may decide to hide some of them from yourselves for obvious reasons.

So it is not that you will have a higher entity that may make you do things you do not want because it may want to do those things. Those kinds of decisions actually are totally irrelevant to the higher self, as you call it. You do not have a higher self that sits at its higher self coffee table and decides to use its higher self on higher self paper and make higher self decisions where it becomes its own committee at your expense. Do you understand?

(Yes)

This self has one purpose, so to speak, and that is to allow its individual personalities all of the freedom to experience as many subject matters as possible, even if you have to hurt yourself, even if you choose consciously or unconsciously to go through sickness, disease, ill health, poverty and other human conditions. Or through riches, through health and other of the so-called more desirable human conditions.

So this higher self, this source of your being always stands behind your own choices. Now it will not stand there and say, “you see Charlie, you scraped your knees and you hit a brick wall. If you had listened to us you would not have hurt yourself.” Any higher self worth its higher self salt does not behave in that fashion. That is basically keeping your own inner purposes away from you. So any higher self of yours functions on the premise that your decisions, conscious or unconscious, are admirable in all of its fashions.

JOSHUA: So what is then the quality or the nature of the relationship between the self and the higher self, if there is any?

KRIS: The higher self, and keep in mind it is only a term for the sake of reference, but the higher self more or less has the same desires as All That Is, to create. In fact it cannot do anything but create. It creates or generates personalities, each of which is imbued with the same potential to create. So in your cases you use your thoughts to create because your thoughts make things. Whether you ponder negative or positive thoughts also is irrelevant. They become the task or experience you undertake at any given time. And the higher self sees to is that your thoughts have sufficient power and energy to be manifested in as many ways as possible so that you can broaden the scope of your experiences as never before.

And that is why you are given special, we will call it dispensation, and by that we mean that because your thoughts cannot all be made into things with the one perspective that you have, you are given the ability to create other selves, what you call reincarnational lives, you sometimes call them past lives or future lives or probable lives, but these are also generated by your desire to be. And through that venue you can experience as many different versions of yourselves as possible so that you can rejoice in the complete gambit of experiences available to you, whether it is what you call past lives, future lives or probably lives as suits the needs you have to broaden the horizons of your experiences. And not one single thought goes unproductive. All of your thoughts take form somewhere, sometime, some when.

JOSHUA: So I’m having trouble understanding. In Buddhist tradition or even with Krishna Murti he often calls thought or thinking corrupt because that is where the mind clings to the past in thinking its thoughts.

KRIS: So what is your question?

JOSHUA: I’m trying to reconcile that where it says that being absolutely in the moment one has to negate thinking or the mind, because once…

KRIS: In actuality that is impossible.

JOSHUA: Well, he said he had long periods of time where he had no thoughts. Empty mind.

KRIS: Do you mean, and he means, there were long periods of time where he was not aware of this thoughts? It is not possible to have a vacuum. That does not exist even in what you call the ‘vacuum of space.’ There is no vacuum. Everything is composed of units of consciousness.

JOSHUA: So what is the nature of the mind that has no thoughts?

KRIS: There is no such thing as no thoughts. There is such a thing as not being aware of your thoughts or one’s thoughts.

JOSHUA: So he was unconscious at that time?

KRIS: It is a type of altered state.

JOSHUA: It is an altered state.

KRIS: But it is not no thoughts. That cannot be.

JOSHUA: But he said that at that moment he experienced All That Is or absolute love and transcendence where he is complete love and it can only exist in the absence of our minds, which is the past, which is our desires.

KRIS: He is simply talking about the temporal focused mind, but you have more than one mind. So in reality everything exists because of thoughts. There are no universes where thoughts do not exist.

JOSHUA: So thoughts are kind of the buildings blocks of this universe, would you say?

KRIS: They are perhaps the by-product of consciousness itself, so it is impossible to not have thoughts just as it is impossible to not have a consciousness. And that is why you exist, because you thought yourself up in this reality in this time. All That Is generated untold realities and universes because it thought.

JOSHUA: And the obvious question is, who thought God?

KRIS: As you understand it, Mankind.

JOSHUA: No, not as I understand it, Kris.

KRIS: Here you are wanting to understand in linear terms something that is not even closely related to linear terms. You are wanting to understand non-linear reality in linear terms, and the closest that can come to is the brief descriptions of All That Is. Try for a moment to imagine everything you cannot imagine so far, and that may give you a minute approximation.

Have you tried to imagine what you cannot imagine? You find that difficult because you can only reference your mind to what you have already been able to imagine. Beyond that you yourself have another mind altogether. It is one that is not focused in physical reality. That is the one you may call or refer to as your greater or higher self.

GRANT: So is that the realm beyond which I can imagine that I can unravel the complexity and riddle of my own existence?

KRIS: Why would your existence be a riddle, first of all? Existence itself is often considered a riddle, and philosophers from the beginning of time have been searching for ways to unravel or solve and answer the riddle, the ultimate riddle. But they are using their senses and their temporal minds and with those tools they are trying to assemble an answer or solutions to something that neither has any answer or solutions nor means to the answer or solutions.

Consider this. Many people must find some reason for being above and beyond simply being themselves as if being on its own account is not something worth mentioning or dealing with. But the secret actually is in accepting being for the sake of being. So they would spend an entire lifetime building up labyrinths with countless dead ends and having to return because the answers are obviously staring them in the face, but they would not consider it.

The one answer cannot be accepted, and that is that you are simply because you are. You exist, not because you think, not because your parents may have provided the seeds for your body, but because you ARE. That in itself is a more profound philosophical exercise than many others that we know of.

So often people build a box around themselves and try to imagine what is outside of the box, but in reality what is inside the box is the same as what is outside the box. We hope that can provide some food for the box of your thoughts. (Laughter)

GRANT: Its’ food for thought as to whether it satisfies the search. The search for self is a menacing thought that can’t be satisfied by its own existence then.

KRIS: Very often and therein lies a danger. The obvious answers must not be accepted because it would make it too simple. So you are not here as the result merely of your parents. You are not here as the result of all your past lives. You are not here merely as the result of what your culture has imbued you with. You are not here merely as the result of what you eat nor merely of this and that and the other thing. But you are here because you ARE, because you THOUGHT yourself here even if you do not understand the entire thinking process. You have taken birth, each and every one of you, because you have thought yourselves and desired yourselves to be here.

JOSHUA: But we have no way of verifying that.

MARK: We have no way of verifying anything really.

JOSHUA: These are highly abstract….

KRIS: In exactly the same light you have no way of verifying yourself. You can reference to your body, but that is about all that you can do.

JOSHUA: Right. That’s what life is, trying to verify or qualify or quantify it, but you are really stopping it by saying ‘you cannot quantify it. It is what it is and that’s it.’ You know, you’re stopping the game.

MARK: (Laughing) Well, that’s what it is.

KRIS: With all of the answers all of the time, so one of our purposes is to push buttons. To try and push buttons to make you think WELL beyond the parameters of the thought processes you have already established as the boundaries between ‘this is my life and this is not life.’

We are saying perhaps, break some of the walls of your limiting thoughts. Open up the gates. Open up the windows and from there you might see that there are other things beyond your OWN mental structures.

GRANT: Does that take a willingness? Simply a willingness to allow that to happen?

KRIS: On one level, yes, but also there is an old saying, ‘beware what you ask for,’ for very often you seek answers and solutions from the Universe and when it presents those things to you, you run and hide. You stick your heads under the sand because it would change your version of reality. So when you ask for something then be ready for what comes.

JOSHUA: Speaking of opening up, I think I asked you a couple of weeks ago about that plant from Africa called Eboga (not sure what he is calling it) and how it enables people to open up on an internal journey.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: It facilitates really looking inward and bringing down blocks in the personality. Do you think something like that can be recommended aside from the bi-polar people as a way of facilitating opening up?

KRIS: What such a plant product will do as many others that exist on your planet is it lulls portions of your ego.

JOSHUA: It what?

KRIS: It lulls portions of your ego more or less to sleep.

MARK: Lulls. L-U-L-L-S

KRIS: It numbs portions of your ego, lowers down some of the fences that you erect between your self image and the rest of the world and enables thus material, information, (and) concepts that still reside within you that are not normally accessible because of self imposed limitations.

JOSHUA: So that’s a good thing in a way.

KRIS: Only to a certain degree. If you take such herbs you also have to be able to take the products of what happens after. So if some information comes in direct conflict with YOUR presently held beliefs about reality, then you must be able to sort those out. Otherwise conflicts will linger and cause undue problems, mostly an eventual shut down of certain mental processes. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: So all in all do you think it’s a good thing specifically for me? Do you see any probability that it’s a positive thing?

KRIS: Initially it may titillate you, maybe even amuse you, but in the long run you would come into conflict for the simple fact that it is not a direct product of YOUR experiences for they are somehow or other artificially produced.

JOSHUA: So I’m getting that you are not enthused about it.

KRIS: In the long run you would get in above your head.

MARK: Like taking LSD you know. You’re going to go on a wild trip, but are you going to believe what you see? Are you going to understand what you see?

KRIS: You have to set up the mental structures in order to interpret all of these experiences that will fall out of your taking this herb. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: I understand.

KRIS: We have no objection that you try, but keep in mind there is a difference between trying and using.

JOSHUA: What’s the difference? Trying IS using.

KRIS: On a perpetual basis.

JOSHUA: Oh no, there is no perpetual basis. From the literature I read most people try it once or twice in a lifetime.

KRIS: It is most likely sufficient.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:15

KRIS: We suggest a small break and enjoy your conversations.

Kris returns.

KRIS: Above all of the things that you have mentioned, you have failed to realize that you indeed are in agreement even in your disagreements because when it comes down to the smallest infinitesimal IOTA, life is a perpetual challenge to all of your resources. At every turn it seems that you need your resources to create for yourself more and more interesting situations. It seems that whether you think mankind is destroying the planet or that there is something of redeemable qualities within the human heart, always your boundaries will be pushed to the limit. And who does the pushing? You do. Each and every one of you, each and every one on the planet, each and every one that has ever had a life or that will ever have one in your terms. You all use the properties of physical reality to further expand your understanding of the one basic premise that your thoughts make things.

So some of you may believe that mankind will eventually offset the natural balance and cause untold and wholesale destruction, and yet simultaneously you may still hanker to know that within each human being there is a spark of innate wisdom that will one day flare up and light his way. And you are right on all counts because you may at times forget that in spite of all of your experiences in physical life, physical reality is a type of illusory concept where you play out your biggest structures, your thought patterns, even your varying neurological pathways. And you experiment with the properties of physical reality so that your beliefs can then be manifested externally in your terms.

And there you take the sand castles of the mind and you wash them away with the coming tide of awareness and once again you build up MORE sand castles over and over again. You experiment. You use the properties of physical reality to construct everything that is within the heart. And there you often get caught up in the game and you bemoan the fact that the waves have come and washed away your pretty sand castles.

JOSHUA: But this is not common knowledge on this planet, that thoughts create our Universe.

KRIS: Then it is high time that you make it common knowledge.

JOSHUA: And so far we have no way of verifying that. This is purely channeled material.

KRIS: There are many ways where you can experiment by changing the parameters of your thoughts and seeing what those changes produce in physical reality.

JOSHUA: I’ve tried that and it doesn’t seem to change very much.

QUESTION: Even quantum physics can explain some of that.

JOSHUA: They’re starting to hint at that but it’s very abstract and it’s at the very beginning of that. But the way Kris, the way you say it is that our thoughts create the Universe.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: This is not common knowledge or accepted common knowledge yet on this planet. Maybe it will be…..

KRIS: In actuality it is found, perhaps disguised, but the basic roots are found in all of your so-called sacred writings and traditions. For instance, in certain sacred writings, in fact perhaps in most of them, there are many ways to express that one communicates with the creative force and from there one asks what one desires and expects the creating force to provide that. Now over the course of time many corruptions have entered into the script, but the basic principle is the same, that you formulate your thoughts clearly and that you ask the Universe to provide in one way or another. And then you see it occur within your reality.

Now of course if you were to ask that suddenly all human beings on Earth suddenly have green and purple skin tones just so that you can verify that your creating power works, you would meet with much opposition.

JOSHUA: Not everybody but how about just one or two. I would be satisfied with just one or two to have purple skin.

KRIS: Are you getting the gist of this?

JOSHUA: I am getting the gist. Yes.

MARK: Remember, we’re co-creating. I’m creating. You’re creating.

KRIS: So you would have to ask Grant if he wants purple and green skin tones.

JOSHUA: (Asks Grant) Would you like to have purple and green skin?

(General laughter)

KRIS: But you get the idea.

GRANT: Does it come with a flask of bourbon?

(More laughter)

JOSHUA: I accept he idea intellectually, but I have yet to see it now actually….

KRIS: You have to make it go from the intellectual to the emotional.

JOSHUA: (interrupting) This is what I was not able to do so far.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: Nor have I seen it really done very much.

QUESTION: But for thousands of years we’ve been suppressed from knowing who we really are and what our capacity for co-creation is, or for just creation. So it’s only now coming out that we actually have a little insight into this.

KRIS: In fact….

JOSHUA: (interrupting) Can we make an experiment right now and see if we can create right now something, however small from our thoughts so we can say oh yeah, this works. Or are we going to go again intellectually forever every Monday.

KRIS: Indeed. You can make this project as the beginning of your day tomorrow. Immediately upon awakening even before you open your eyes visualize a great sunrise rising over the mountaintops illuminating the mountains and the valleys, bringing life to the smallest flower, seeing in your mind’s eye the blade of grass unfurled with the warmth of the sun, seeing the birds wake up and fly from treetop to treetop. And then tell us that you are going to have a bad day.

(Quiet laughter)

JOSHUA: Okay. I’ll make the experiment.

KRIS: Indeed. If you can envision such a beautiful scenario even before you awaken and then try to have a bad day, we challenge you because it will NOT happen unless you deliberately make efforts to have a bad day.

JOSHUA: Screw it up.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: So really the most perfect quality in humans is imagination?

KRIS: Indeed. That is the Gift of the Gods. You imbue your gods and goddesses with the power to create and you forget that these very powers YOU gave them away.

JOSHUA: So really Einstein was more of an artist than a mathematician, a physicist.

QUESTION: It also seems to me that it’s taking a great step because we can spend a lot of time in our imagination and desires and fantasies.

JOSHUA: That’s what I’ve been doing.

QUESTION: It’s essentially taking a great step and then that can open all kinds of doors.

MARK: We also tend to focus on the negative, what can go wrong and what is going to go wrong but can we produce joy more and is that part of our goal to produce as much joy and pleasure in our lives as possible, in our day as possible. So we can use our imaginations to produce as much joy and pleasure in our day as opposed to sadness, trauma, the stress…

KRIS: Therefore, our humble challenge to you all for the upcoming holiday season is for each and every one of you to create but five minutes of pure unmitigated joy, unadulterated happiness for five minutes each day. And see what kind of change that brings about in your personal perspectives. So think of yourselves as warriors of joy, fighting your own armies of un-joy within yourselves. And every time the tyrant of un-joy seeks to un-throne, you can with the power of your thoughts remain in control of your domain.

JOSHUA: Of joy.

KRIS: Indeed.

QUESTION: If that’s your intention.

KRIS: You be the kings and queens of the kingdom of joy. And being good and compassionate rulers, you without reservation share your joy with all of your subjects.

QUESTION: What if you have unconscious tapes that I discovered a few years ago that were sabotaging…..

KRIS: You may have unconscious tapes….

QUESTION: I’ve worked on them since, but I just found that

MARK: That is the technique.

KRIS: But this is our challenge to you is to take joy and rewrite the tape.

QUESTION: I’ve already been working on rewriting it.

(NOTE: At this point several people all talk and once making it impossible to hear this small portion of the session.)

KRIS: Now you have a simple method to rewrite your tape. Five minutes a day you do nothing but become joyous. Spread it around you. Like true and compassionate monarchs you share it with all of your subjects in your neighboring kingdoms. It does not mean that you will go knock on your neighbor’s door and say ‘you will take joy whether you want it or not!’ (Laughter)

But you yourselves can create joy within your experience. Five minutes a day is all that you need every day.

JOSHUA: Can you rewrite a tape as she mentioned? Or are you basically creating another new tape that’s going to live side by side with the old one?

KRIS: This method can remove the so-called nasty tapes. It will not mean that she might become amnesiac. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: No. The memory will remain.

KRIS: Indeed but it need no longer bring about duress. Do you understand?

QUESTION: I’ve done a lot of work on this actually this year and I feel it’s gotten around a lot of it but I was just curious for someone who didn’t spend all the money and time that I did.

KRIS: When more of your society allows these experiences to take root in the collective unconscious then the easier it would be for you to, for you all to expand the possibilities available and to create joy.

JOSHUA: Are there realities in the Universe that happiness and joy and love are the common…

KRIS: There are probabilities where civilizations chose different paths than your own. For instance, some probabilities have never had to endure many of the wars that you have because they did not believe them necessary for the advancement of human kind. Instead have staged campaigns of love and compassion where the basic foundation of those civilizations is not a belief in the darkness of the human heart but instead that the human heart is filled with compassion.

JOSHUA: What are the kinds of challenges that are in that kind of reality for those kinds of beings?

KRIS: They may have certain challenges with establishing more profound understanding of their concepts. They in this one particular reality, how do we put this to you, there are gateways between realities, there are portals between realities. One such reality has taken it upon itself to send psychological signals much like your radio signals, but into your reality. We are not having the proper expressions. (Pause)

In your system of reality there are people who meditate and who try, with the influences of their meditational state try to bring harmony to their personal environment, in other words spreading the good vibes. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: Yes.

KRIS: This one reality where the paths of war have never taken root are aware of your reality and send, for lack of better words, good vibes through, and this is somewhat difficult explaining to you.

JOSHUA: Are we receiving those vibes? Are they felt by us in any way?

KRIS: So far since the Second World War you have averted at least on five separate occasions another world war. But this is also done in conjunction with your own collective belief that mankind is more noble. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: Yes. Thank you.

KRIS: This was the result of many groups during the Second World War, many groups across the planet, sometimes individually, sometimes in tandem, to get together and produce more positive energy. As we have said earlier, not all of your thoughts are manifested in this reality, but all of your thoughts exist and have reached other systems of reality, which responded in kind. So you are getting feedback from your original quest. Your reality still tends to believe that the human heart has a dark stain, a serious flaw within it. Once you can overcome and eliminate such beliefs from your own collective hearts, then it will be much easier for the manufacturers of weaponry to instead create tools that benefit all of mankind. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: Yes.

LIDA: Will this happen during this civilization?

KRIS: It will take some time. In your terms, it may take still over 100 years from now and you will see cycles up and down. This appears that you may have a larger peace on Earth only to disappear only to come again. Do you understand?

LIDA: That has happened in the past.

KRIS: This will continue, but each time more seems possible. Then it comes down, more is possible than the last in this cycle.

MARK: We’re at a cycle low right now I hope, moving upwards and not downwards.

KRIS: You will not have a war on Iraq.

JOSHUA: We are not going to have a war?

KRIS: You are not going to have that.

JOSHUA: So Bush is not that dumb after all.

KRIS: It has nothing to do with him. We believe before the year 2003 is out there will be two assassination attempts on Mr. Bush. The second might be successful. But Mr. Bush is not the instigator. The instigators are large organizations. Mr. Bush is a puppet with a loud mouth.

Now who is the puppeteer? If the puppet says something that is offensive, do you smack the puppet, or do you have some heavy-duty discussions with the puppeteer?

JOSHUA: Who are the puppeteers?

KRIS: You have several large groups that are very much interested in acquiring oil fields. Unfortunately, your entire industry is based upon petroleum products and byproducts.

JOSHUA: And I’m part of it. I have a car and I’m part of this whole thing. I’m not different or apart from that.

KRIS: You also have to be practical. But keep in mind that we have said earlier that physical reality is your collective playroom. You are playing collectively with a particular set of belief structures, in fact many of them simultaneously. Just as one individual may be in conflict with himself or herself because of conflicting beliefs, so you have collectively conflicting belief structures. You have all of your religions. You have another type of religion which you call sciences. You have yet another type of religion which is called profiteering. And each one has learned from the other.

And you have this massive play within a play, Russian dolls within Russian dolls within Russian dolls. And the issue becomes more and more complex and it will take approximately 100 of your years for all the Russian dolls to be opened and exposed and for the collective unconscious to suddenly decide this game is no longer suitable or practical, time for a new one.

JOSHUA: What’s happening in the Middle East? Is there going to be peace anytime soon?

KRIS: That will take some time. We estimate that there will be no working peace in that area perhaps for another 35 years. You cannot impose peace by force. That has been attempted for decades in various parts of the world and the peace is only surface most whilst the so-called peacekeepers are present. In most instances where the peacekeepers have been removed most of the small factions have returned to their previous ways or have found more subterfuge ways by which to get what they want in the first place.

MARK: Just look at how Communist Russia or Communism tried to eliminate religion, as soon as communism fell religion came right back. It hadn’t really gone, it had just gone underground.

KRIS: So until your entire race understands that you are building sand castles, you will still have difficulties. This will take time to work out. But in the meantime since you know about the building of sand castles, then why not build for yourselves something that is joyous, joy-filled and joy giving. So enjoy yourselves each and every one of you. Create joy and share it with others.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:05

KRIS: Indeed. So we urge you and we challenge you for five minutes a day to create unbound joy for yourselves and spread that around.

JOSHUA: When you say that love is the very hub or the core of the Universe, that it’s the very essence of everything, for lack of a better word.

KRIS: Is that a question or a comment?

JOSHUA: It’s a question. Sounds like both. The more I’m learning about things I’m getting the feeling that basically love is the very essence of everything. And if we just had that one thing….

KRIS: Now if love could fill, could pour itself into you as if you were a receptacle for it, and it would fill even the smallest cell on your toe right up to the very tip of your hair, what would that be like?

JOSHUA: It would be imagining the unimaginable.

KRIS: That is our challenge to you specifically.

JOSHUA: Thank you.

KRIS: So now we send you off and we thank you most deeply and joyously for having listened to our humble voice, and may your own voices speak as loud at any given time and as joyously. So we wish you a joyous holiday.

Session Ends, but Kris returns in response to a discussion.

KRIS: Though your physical organisms are important, the physical body enables you to express your thoughts through its properties to a certain degree. You think, for instance, of getting up from your chair and going to the water cooler. Now you may not notice that in your mind’s eye you have visualized each and every step around the table through the legs up to the cooler. But that is what occurs. And those thoughts at the level of the imagination have propelled the body with its energy through the neurological structure to the muscular and skeletal structure to move the body. Without that series of thoughts the body could not get there on its own.

That is why when you leave the body it remains inert, and if you leave it and severe the link with your body on a permanent basis through what you call death, then the body disintegrates. Its molecular structure returns to the Earth as food for worms once again so that it can be used by another being that will come into your system because it needs a body as well.

So you are different from your physical organism. Once you leave your physical body you will still be able to think. You will be able to visualize. But the difference there is that instead of waiting for a particular switch to come on to trigger the neurological process which will move muscular and skeletal systems to take your body from there to there when you visualize yourself going to the water cooler it will happen at the speed of thought. So there will be no interim delays.

QUESTION: So why should I care, if it doesn’t matter?

KRIS: We have not said that the physical body or the Earth does not matter. We have simply tried to point out that there is a difference between you as the individual personality and the physical body that is used to express that personality.

Now the Earth, the environment, (and) all other human beings in one way are also a reflection of your own being. So it is important because you take your body from the Earth. You are an extension of the Earth. Your body is a combination of all the elements found within the Earth. So you are an extension of the Earth. But the difference is that you have a personality attached to that expression. So in one way you are the ego part of the Earth that would be unable otherwise to express itself. That goes for each and every one of you.

With that capacity you can and should be stewards for the Earth. That is unfortunately not the case for the majority of human beings whom often consider that the Earth is nothing but a renewable usable resource and once it is done with, they do not know what they will do. So it is in one sense your, we do not want to say job, but it is your responsibility to care for the Earth because in fact the Earth is your body.

QUESTION: Then explain why it is, again that we should be stewards for the Earth?

KRIS: Because the Earth is your body. You are composed of all the items of the Earth. You are result of everything you eat, everything you think. Your body is as much composed of the worm castings as it is the dust from the stars, light from distant galaxies altogether. That is what composes your physical body. You are not merely an amalgam of stray chemicals that were sparked somehow with life, but you are a very carefully constructed being. You took the time to choose your parents. You took the time to decide which path and what discoveries you will make with this lifetime or with this particular body.

Once you have outgrown its usefulness you will without reservation but perhaps some struggle, return the body to its source, the Earth, so that others may use it. You yourself are an important part of the Earth, each and every one of you, because you are made of its components.

JOSHUA: So there are no accidents, in other words.

KRIS: There are no coincidences either.

JOSHUA: So really Grant and Susan met Clare tonight. This was no accident. It was premeditated. It was a drama that was played out beforehand.

KRIS: It might not have been premeditated in that sense of the word, but unconsciously they knew they would have a desire for what was to transpire here. But all in all, yes you should care for the Earth and yes you should care for your bodies and yes you should care for your personalities. But ultimately you are even more than all of these combined. You are an eternal and immortal consciousness. The Earth experiences are very dear and precious ones, one where you learn that your thoughts make things. So the Earth lends parts of itself to you so that you can learn how your thoughts make things.

JOSHUA: Could you repeat that last sentence please?

KRIS: Perhaps someone else can.

QUESTION: The Earth lends parts of itself….

GRANT: In order for us to consciously understand the process of manifesting reality that we DO create everything that’s in front of us, everything that we experience in the moment.

QUESTION: It’s all energy. Thoughts are energy.

GRANT: It sounds like that’s just the beginning though of this very long ‘process’ or journey. Once we understand that or are able to do that it seems like that’s just the beginning or maybe one of those portals.

KRIS: And most likely so, you are correct. You can never cease to create just as the beaver cannot stop chewing poplar or bees decide on the wing to stop making honey and honeycomb. You cannot stop thinking. Even if you desire to stop thinking, you cannot.

JOSHUA: Do bees think as well?

KRIS: They might stink to you, we do not know.

GRANT: I think he said ‘do bees think?’

KRIS: We are aware. (Laughter)

Now do consider that the Earth is your mother of sorts. It gives of its body so that you can have one. So that is indeed a sacred and gracious gift.

Now we will see if bees stink. And do have a good holiday. (Laughter)

Kris returns a second time.

KRIS: Now we do not mean to toy with you or to appear coy. We did want you to pool your thoughts and to express clearly what you felt deep within you. So this reality that we have described would consider it a great loss indeed if your civilization did not pursue its path and instead damaged the Earth irrevocably. They would find it very sad indeed because your thoughts, like in many other realities, are important to the creation of other realities still.

So you all generate untold thoughts. It has been estimated that during the course of one day you will have as much as ten to twelve or more thousand thoughts, and that is probably an extremely modest estimation. So where do your thoughts go? What happens to them? Do they fall off the edge of your consciousness and disappear? Or do they continue their merry way and find other auspices through which they will become manifest in other realities.

JOSHUA: So thoughts also have consciousness?

KRIS: Thoughts carried by consciousness are manifested in many ways and in many realities. So the thought that you held ten days ago, ten years ago, one hundred years ago, where are they? They are part of other worlds, other realities, other probabilities. They may have generated entire civilizations.

JOSHUA: One thought.

KRIS: One thought may do that. Therefore, your ability to keep thinking and the Earth’s abilities to clothe your thoughts into bodies so that you can generate other thoughts in this reality is uppermost in the minds of many others who look in upon you. No one judges your creations and says, ‘bad humans, you are making wholesale slaughter.’ They do not. But they do understand that you need to get over your own limitations. So they are, as we have so grossly and inadequately said, sending you vibes so that you can capture the essence of what you are all about and keep the precious gifts of the Earth, its abilities to make bodies for you on an ongoing basis.

And even if at the end of a particular cycle your planet of itself disintegrates, there are other worlds and entities that will create yet other worlds because everything regenerates itself. And there are other planets on other systems in the same struggles as yours.

JOSHUA: Actual human beings like us?

KRIS: Perhaps not two-legged, two-armed, but there are other realities where similar struggles and challenges are also important. It would be foolhardy for anyone to think that on your entire planet there is only one classroom. Correct? You have many schools in many different countries with many different educational systems. Do in other realities in other universes there are also many other planets where similar principles occur. But in your reality this planet is the one where many souls come, where many souls put on the suit of flesh and bones so that they can understand what it is that makes it so precious that your thoughts create reality and what better place than within the Earth itself.

JOSHUA: Does prayer help? The concept of prayer?

KRIS: The general concept is helpful, but look at it this way, if you were to pray so that evil people can stop what they are doing then you would simply be focusing on the same thing. The idea would be for you to express what occurs within the very heart of your being and to be yourself. Do you understand?

QUESTION: Yeah. I think I’m understanding that life in some form will go on even if we don’t make it on this planet.

KRIS: And at the same time there will always be the creation of a planet particular to giving of itself so that beings can have bodies to experience a very unique narrow spectrum of neurological processes that enable the creation of physical reality.

QUESTION: I guess that still makes me a little sad because that means in some ways that the stakes aren’t very high for us to protect this planet.

KRIS: If you do not protect this planet you will have to protect another. So it is to your collective advantage to protect THIS one so that you can learn your lessons. And keep in mind there is no one or no committee forcing you to take lessons. These are chosen by you.

GRANT: Isn’t there a correlation between our own bodies and the Earth so if we are…

KRIS: Indeed.

GRANT: …in a sense protecting, if you wish…

KRIS: The sicker the Earth gets, the sicker YOU get.

GRANT: Or vice versa.

KRIS: Indeed, so once you can clean up your physical and psychological environments, the Earth also will breathe better. In its own way the Earth IS an entity. It is a life force. It appears in your dimension as a planet. It may appear in another dimension as something different. It may even appear elsewhere as a being.

JOSHUA: I heard it once said that at some point in the future human beings will become actually a star. We can evolve into a star, the consciousness or the essence.

KRIS: Or part of you thereof. You are unlimited eternal and immortal. If you wish you can twinkle in the heavens.

QUESTION: But why would you want to? Isn’t this pleasurable? I mean, we can create pleasure here on Earth.

MARK: You can create beauty and joy everywhere, so you might want to stay here and reincarnate and have many lives here and then decide, okay, I want to try something different.

KRIS: At the same time, the entire capacity of your whole being cannot be expressed in one singular body. The neurological and physiological structure alone cannot support that type of energy. Imagine one small set of Christmas lights being fed directly from the transformer. You would blow every single bulb and fry the wire simultaneously. Do you understand?

So your transformer cannot feed all of its energy through your body. So there are many that are created in different times and different places. That is what we call reincarnational selves and probable selves. Some of these selves might even be small stars far into the heavens. So when you look up at the stars at night and you see one twinkle and wonder, is that part of me I am looking at right now? And rejoice in your path that there is a part of you high in the heavens, keeping an eye out for you.

So with those twinkling thoughts we will take our leave of your precious and humble selves. And we wish you again a joyous holiday.

JOSHUA: Merry Christmas to you.

END

The Myth of Religion

December 9, 2002

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 9, 2002
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: Now we are glad that you are having such a lively discussion and we welcome you to our warm and hospitable place.

We will broach many subjects this evening. We would like to travel with you to your earlier subject of biblical times. We have wanted to have a biblical discussion for some time, at least one year now that you know of.

MARK: Yes

KRIS: So this is an excellent opportunity. And yes indeed your different scriptures, whether the classic biblical scripture from the Judeo-Christian roots or scriptures from India or the remnants of the writings from China or the writings left behind by the ancient Mayans and so on and so forth. All do contain kernels of truth. They contain glimmers of hidden understandings and treasures that can awaken the soul.

But with the passage of time and the manipulation of one group to another, the intent has become distorted. The views have become polluted. And you now have something that acts more as a poison than salve for the soul. And it is an unfortunate characteristic of belief structures gone amok.

When an elite group wishes to dominate, utilize and brainwash a larger group into subserviency and indoctrinate them with views that sour life in one way, the milk of human kindness does turn sour when it is touched by religious beliefs.

JOSHUA: Why do there continue to be new religions springing up all the time?

KRIS: Actually if you notice, the religions are not new. They may be cloaked to appear new, but they have the same basic foundation and psychology of indoctrination. The words may change, but if you examine the words you will see that the foundations have not changed. The techniques, the use of specific mental templates still have the same effect. Why would you give up everything?

JOSHUA: So what about the founder of the B’hai faith. He claims that the prophet is directly from God, that the messengers, the prophets are the mouthpieces of God on Earth.

KRIS: Then what do you do with all the other Gods?

JOSHUA: He claims there is only one God and all the prophets are basically from the same source teaching the same thing. You are familiar with B’Hala?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: Did he get his revelations directly from God?

KRIS: That is his interpretation.

JOSHUA: So it’s his interpretation.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: So he was just like me or you then.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: So this whole thing about direct revelation from God and the mouthpiece of God….

KRIS: In fact we could say that you yourself are a direct revelation of the Godhead.

JOSHUA: Thank you.

KRIS: Because the atoms and the molecules even down to the units of consciousness that compose your image as it is reflected in 3-dimensional reality is one expression of All That Is. And so are you and so are you (indicates different participants).

So you are each and every one of you an expression of All That Is. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: Yes.

QUESTION: My understanding is that one difference between spirituality and religion is that you feel that you can have direct contact with you and you don’t need an intermediary, where religions would have you believe that you can only get to God as long as you talk to a priest or somebody in between. But actually we have the capacity for direct…..

KRIS: The other possible difference is that when you embark upon the path of spiritual self-discovery you can leave behind religiality. The other way around does not happen. You cannot take with you your spirituality if you follow one religious path. The one does not go into the other.

So this small discussion would also add another answer to YOUR question that you do not need the middleman to tell you what God wants you to understand. Since you are literally a spark of that greater consciousness, you have direct access to the information from the source.

JOSHUA: I sometimes get confused because you mentioned I should try EFT and that would help me a great deal. And I tried it quite a few times and it doesn’t work for me. So sometimes I wonder if I AM.

KRIS: You are possibly a special case.

JOSHUA: Yeah, sometimes I think maybe I’m a freak.

QUESTION: What is EFT?

KRIS: It is short for Emotional Freedom Technique.

JOSHUA: It is a way of tapping, opening the meridians to the flow of energy. This way you create the release of certain emotional issues.

But why is it that I have tried it a few times and it doesn’t work for me? Can you see why?

KRIS: What are you expecting?

JOSHUA: Expecting to reduce a problem. I’m working on it. That’s what EFT claims that it does.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: It doesn’t seem to work for me.

KRIS: It is quite exceptional that EFT does not work. There are very few such cases and it is quite possible that a change in the technology itself, small or slight tweaking of the process might be all that is necessary. But at the same time it is not a reason to abandon the process. It takes relatively small effort and time to use the technique.

JOSHUA: I don’t know what else to do for it to work for me. I’ve tried it and I don’t know what to do.

MARK: I was using NLP, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, and while I was in the practitioner’s office I was getting it bang, bang, and understanding it and flowing. But then I would leave and I wouldn’t practice it and I still had the problem and then I’d go back to the practitioner and think, ‘this is great! I’m loving it, loving it, a new tool! And then go home and not use the tool. So you still have to use them when you’re aware from there. That might be part of your problem.

JOSHUA: No, I use them there and it doesn’t work. I’m primarily using it with the pendulum but the pendulum doesn’t move when I do it. For other people it goes all over the place but when I hold the pendulum it’s just still. And I’m wondering about that. Maybe I’m a freak. (Everyone cracks up)

MARK: Only if you tell yourself you’re a freak. You are what you believe.

KRIS: Far be it from us to tell you anything else than what you want to tell yourself. (Laughter)

Perhaps we will get back to that subject matter.

Now there is interesting information that is not divulged to the public at large concerning the foundation of the early Christian structure that is still held in the Vatican’s vaults hidden beneath the earth.

QUESTION: What is it?

KRIS: That information is known to a few people, including what you will call the higher-ups in the hierarchy of the Roman church structure and some of that information has been found in the ancient texts of Qumran and Nag-Hammadi, but not all of those documents have been released. Keep in mind that the original group studying the discoveries of manuscripts at Qumran of the Dead Sea Scrolls were heavily supervised by the office of the keepers of the faith of the Vatican Church, otherwise known as The Inquisitor’s Office, The Grand Inquisitor’s Office. So many documents were parceled off for fear that they would endanger the position of the Roman church and the religion it has established.

It is known in some small academic circles that the original founders of, we cannot even call it the Christian church because it had no such name for the longest time, but this group of individuals were spread out and had been established for hundreds of years BEFORE they became known as Christians. They had small cells established in the Mediterranean and the ancient world. They had cells in ancient Alexandria. They had cells in ancient Persia and many others so far away as even what became known afterwards as Londinium (Ancient Roman name for the city of London, England).

They had traffic of information, of pilgrims, of students and had established what you would call Mystery Schools and worked their material in such a way that if you were inclined to the worship of Dionysus, ancient Greek God, then the information would be displayed in light of that mythos. If you were inclined from Persian related society then it could be worked as the mythos of Mithras. And other cultures established their roots with these ancient Mystery Schools. The idea was not to establish a world-dominating religious body but cells of teachers who taught the individuals different levels of learning so that one would eventually move from the literal view into abstract esoteric thoughts towards enlightenment.

So many of these groups had their own teachers, their own followers, but they did not aggressively seek to wipe each other out but instead sought greater understanding for you as a teacher might have insight that you as a teacher might also need to further educate your pupils and vice versa.

QUESTION: So they were open to learning.

KRIS: Indeed. They were not necessarily the most compassionate of beings for they were perhaps slightly elitist and aristocratic, but they had enough understanding in psychology of human nature to establish the groundwork and the foundation through which their paths could lead their pupils or students to understand some of the more intricate mysteries of reality such as that you are born always in a state of grace and goodness is the natural property of the soul. Aggression, destructive intent are NOT the trademark of the self, as some of your religions nowadays teach.

Religions nowadays must convince the followers that their innate nature is an abomination, that the very fact that you take physical life is in itself almost unforgivable, but if you follow THIS path then there is hope for your redemption. That is the task of the modern religions.

So these more ancient teachings sought to have the pupil understand that as he or she progressed in their education they could themselves die to the physical world and be reborn as Christ-like figures as it became known. So the main thrust of their teachings was not that Christ is the God that you must worship because he died for you. They understood it as a cosmic play. They understood that if you were able to reach beyond your ordinary boundaries, you could yourself become a Christ-like figure.

And the myths that they used to give or impart these teachings had double meanings. They could be used by those of a more literal mind to initially bring them to understand that they could now leave the literal views behind and move into another realm where the teachings were guidelines only. That is why they had secret societies. Not because they were better but because the general laity would have had a more difficult time to understand, for instance, that you are an eternal and immortal being. And whether you worshiped Isis or Osiris, whether you worshipped Jupiter or Juno or Hermes, these were merely masks that should lead you to the deeper mysteries of understanding universal secrets.

The very idea that early Christians claimed that only their God was the true and one God was laughable. Everyone in the ancient world could see that they had taken the myths from all around them but because they had done so, would spread them as the one true belief. And of course everyone else was false.

JOSHUA: That’s true of all religions. All religions have that snobbish, elitist attitude. Getting too much on this planet.

KRIS: There was a time when most individuals knew that behind the religion were the teachings into the deeper meanings of life. Nowadays the religions are themselves seen as the deeper meanings of life.

MARK: They used mythology to teach a moral, and now the myths are considered true.

KRIS: And all the teachings within it are removed.

JOSHUA: Do you see in the future of this planet a time when we won’t have religions because we will be evolved enough that we won’t need the policeman and all this bullshit. Excuse my French.

MARK: The answer is always yes.

KRIS: It exists but it will be very difficult indeed to accomplish this.

JOSHUA: Because I think religion always seems to somehow hamper the very thing that it comes to do, to accomplish.

KRIS: Ultimately the religious doctrines end up defeating its main intent in the long run. But as you can see your race still deals with religious beliefs it acquired millennia ago. So this is something that takes a long time to move beyond because it is so deeply ingrained within the society.

JOSHUA: What about individual people? Say in this lifetime I feel that I have finally dissociated myself from religion that I understand and I’m going beyond that. Now say in my next lifetime can I become born again and become religious again and do the whole thing again once I graduate?

KRIS: If you wish to be a born-again Christian it is your choice. But we do not necessarily advise that you take on such a narrow view of reality.

JOSHUA: I understand that. What I am saying is once I understand it in one lifetime, the silliness and limitation of religion does that apply to all my lifetimes?

MARK: You’re questioning as to are you advancing?

KRIS: You cannot lose the learning that you accumulate. You need not fear that you will return to a state prior to, unless of course in your own mind you feel that you are superior. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: No.

KRIS: It is possible for someone to get to the point of even trying to eradicate religions. Take Lenin with his so-called expanded views that the only way to release society is to deprive it of its collective drug, religion. His attempt was far too radical and ended up enslaving the people into something even worse because then he established HIS brand of religion.

JOSHUA: The Communist Manifesto.

KRIS: But he had no advancements whatsoever, simply disguised it as an ultimate truth. Freedom from religion was not freedom from the State, so the State became a religion.

JOSHUA: Is somebody who is here who is very broad-minded, he is not religious, he can see through all the lies, he is very advanced, then in the next life….

KRIS: Then he will act out of compassion, and those who are still engulfed in religious beliefs are seen as lovingly as those who are not.

QUESTION: So no judgment.

KRIS: Indeed. So in that case you may still encounter others who are still trapped within the confined of religious beliefs and you will still consider them your brothers and sisters and love them as dearly, but you will not need to get entangled in their situations. So you will be acting out of compassion, which should be your primary religion.

QUESTION: Very well said.

KRIS: There should be one creed and that should be the creed of the individual. The individual should come first, the individual’s freedoms above all things. But your societies are structured under the belief that the individual is possessed by innate darkness, that out of the minds of men come monstrous creations and because of such strongly held collective beliefs, it appears that the heart of man, including woman, is filled with iniquities which once unleashed create havoc, wholesale slaughter and destruction and the destruction of the earth itself.

But if you alter your perceptions and instead understand the heart of the individual is filled with innate goodness and all the qualities that are generated by that one graceful state of mind, then you can literally change the face of your world. And there is a difference because if you change the face of your world, then slowly other individuals change their world and ultimately your collective world will reflect the new belief structures.

Now you cannot do away with beliefs. They are what gives your reality its unique characteristics. They are what gives your world its shape. But what you can do is change the beliefs. You know, for instance, that with your hand you can smack a child and cause it pain. Does that mean that you must therefore cut off your hand? Especially when you know that all you have to do is not hit the child again and show instead that your hands are loving and healing. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: Yes

KRIS: So that is basically what many of the ancient mystery school were trying to teach, that the inner self, and do not fool yourselves into thinking that because they were in existence over 2,000 years ago that they did not have highly evolved ideas. Many of the ancient philosophers even had very developed notions about what you nowadays call the higher self, and probable selves or projections into reality, very complex developments in ideas of reincarnation. Not as a linear progression but in conjunction with the concept of the ever eternal moment.

Many of these ancient philosophers understood that All That Is is expressed through each and every one, regardless of your ideas about it. Many were far more enlightened than the most enlightened people on your world at this time. And many of them have come back, seeing now that religious oppression, especially in the Western world, is not a cause for tremendous concern and worry since many of these ancient teachers were eliminated due to religious oppression and persecution. Many of them knew upon their demise through persecutions they would only come back when the time was better suited. Do you understand?

(Yes)

Many of these ancient teachers’ writings have been lost, but a great deal of them only appear to be lost because they are not in the public’s hands. They are hidden in crypts under the Vatican. There are so many books and volumes carefully controlled under lock and key so that no information that could harm the claims of the church as the true and original religion could ever be made known, except that they did not do such a good job.

QUESITON: Will this ever come out? Will we ever know?

KRIS: It will take time. Approximately 60 odd years from now, but because individuals are sufficiently curious, they can manifest some of these ancient writings to be found in places that have never been explored before.

QUESTION: Can some of the psychic children of China who can see into computers, could they see into these crypts and read some of these things? Or somebody who has that capacity to see through all the barriers. Would that be possible?

KRIS: (Long pause) In ancient Sumeria, Babylonia, that part of the world there are still many undiscovered archaeological treasures. There are also many undiscovered digs in many places of the ancient Israeli Palestinian countries.

(Pause) Within the next 20 years there is a high possibility of at least two perhaps three very significant and important discoveries in the archaeological world in the biblical lands that will rock the foundations of many people’s faiths.

JOSHUA: So can you give us a preview of one or two of the things that will…

MARK: Providing the Inquisitors don’t get them.

KRIS: (Long pause) … Now here we have to describe things in spite of Joseph’s lack of scientific syntax. But we believe approximately 120 some kilometers northeast of Jerusalem, the ancient city, there are hillsides with undiscovered caves that actually go deep into the earth in terms of crypts, and they are approximately twenty-five to twenty-seven hundred years of age and they contain not only ancient parchments and document but artifacts that will baffle researchers simply because those researchers do not understand what it is they have found. But once it is shared with the general public, then engineers, specifically electrical engineers will be able to identify what has been found.

And as a prelude to this, we believe near the ancient city of Baghdad at some point there was an ancient black container, perhaps as old as 1800 to 2000 years was found and no one knew what it was until again an electrical engineer recognized this construction as a very ancient but still very potent battery.

So there are many things about your ancient cultures that are unknown, and because they are considered ancient, they are often equated with ignorant. Do you understand?

ALL: Yes.

JOSHUA: Does the Ark of the Covenant still exist and if so, where?

KRIS: The Ark of the Covenant has been embellished almost beyond its original description, but it is itself an ancient battery source and it can provide quite a charge if used properly.

(Pause) Now the Ethiopians think that they still have the original Ark of the Covenant. But the original was stolen from them by the Knights Templar. Many things are still undisclosed about the Knights Templar’s activities in ancient Jerusalem all the way to Ethiopia and all across Europe. Many people still do not understand how seemingly within a very short amount of time the Knights Templar almost by themselves controlled all of Europe to the point where the Pope and the French king, in order to protect their own interests, had to trump of charges of heresy and have them killed and disbanded, so powerful were the Knights Templar.

They hid this ancient artifact in lead lined casing. (Pause) Some people like to believe it is underneath an ancient church in Scotland. Others think it is in a church in the south of France. But in actuality it was carted off by a group of Knights Templar to the Indian subcontinent and vaulted away in a crypt in an ancient Hindu temple. It will be uncovered, but not for a long time. Anymore than that, we cannot say.

MARK: Is it a Duracell? (Laughter)

JOSHUA: Where did they get such knowledge to make such batteries as the Ark of the Covenant?

KRIS: Its sources originate in ancient Egypt. Do keep in mind that the individual mythically known as Moses was trained as a high priest and trained to take the pharaoh’s place once the pharaoh passed away, so he had access to arcane and esoteric knowledge unknown to even some priestly divisions. The knowledge for such machines stems back from a time when there was another culture established in Egypt which died off and replaced, and even then those that took over, and we are simply using words, they did not simply come into, for it was gradual, but they could not maintain the learning and teaching and eventually the knowledge of ancient language and ancient arcane understandings faded away until no one remembered how to use the instruments.

JOSHUA: So what did they actually use the Ark of the Covenant for if it was like a battery?

MARK: Christmas lights.

KRIS: There were ways that now some of your scientists are discovering using specific charges of electro-magnetic energy to produce healing in the body.

JOSHUA: So it was used for healing?

KRIS: Initially these instruments were to help repair the body. And they were left behind by an even older race that did not come from your world originally. Now we are not getting into Von Danikenism here. That is another religion altogether. But your planet has been host to more than your own species. Is it not that there are UFOs landing here every day, but there are other peoples who have inhabited your world and who have passed away.

QUESTION: So they’re not here now?

KRIS: Many are no longer here. Others do come here.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:45

KRIS: Indeed. Now to get back to the earlier subject of biblical times, the early founders of the Literalists groups who became or established what was to become the Roman Church took from other myths and those who are versed in the roots of ancient religions will see that for instance, many of the items listed on the Sermon on the Mount actually are extracted almost verbatim from ancient Egyptian texts which pre-date the early Christian views by as much as fifteen to eighteen hundred years or more.

The character portrayed as the Christ figure is a composite taken from the individual called Joshua in the Old Testament, from Dionysus, the Greek God who also was crucified and resurrected on the third day, also first seen resurrected by women. And the cult of Dionysus reaches back almost twelve to fifteen hundred years before the Christian era. There have even been Hindu and Chinese like versions of this character. So there is nothing original in what is called The Bible in that respect, especially when it comes to The New Testament.

JOSHUA: The Jews believe that Christ basically was a Jewish….

KRIS: One of the individuals, part of this composite being, actually was no more than a Rabbi.

JOSHUA: Yes, basically he was very well versed in some of the Kabala.

KRIS: Indeed. And well -traveled.

JOSHUA: Well traveled. And he was basically somewhat of a rebel and that’s why they didn’t like him because of that.

KRIS: Now it did not suit the early Christian founders, especially the literalists, to simply have a Rabbi as God. So he had to be made superhuman, and by adding mythology and actually anchoring it into certain historical places and lands it came to be that you could not tell what was myth and what was historical.

JOSHUA: But the Rabbi itself, Jesus the Rabbi.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: He just died at what age?

KRIS: (Pause) We believe that one passed away at approximately the ripe old age of 38, 39 years.

JOSHUA: Did he get married? Did he have kids?

KRIS: Had wife and children.

JOSHUA: So he did get married and have kids.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: So a lot of what we know about Christ is really a lot of myth.

KRIS: Indeed, taken from different characters and then cleaned up.

QUESTION: He was one of five children, from what I understand, and Joseph was his father.

JOSHUA: It’s a nice myth though, wouldn’t you say?

KRIS: It has changed the face of your world.

JOSHUA: I really enjoyed it the first time a read The New Testament. I read it when I was 20, 21 and the first time I read it I was quite moved by it. I thought, “Gee, this is really a beautiful story.”

KRIS: Indeed until you start picking apart the inconsistencies, the gaps, the contradictions, the controversies and so on and so forth. Now there are groups of people that are called, give us one moment….Apologists. They function on the premise that there are contradictions because it is the wisdom of God. And of course there are other myths before Christ that resembled the life of Christ because Satan knew Christ was coming, so he went into the past and he established Christ-like cults to befuddle the minds of the true believers of the one faith.

JOSHUA: Was the Christ the Rabbi enlightened?

KRIS: He was perhaps very emotionally perceptive and very hot headed.

JOSHUA: As most of the Jews at that time were.

KRIS: Consider the period where all this took place. The scene was cast in the time of the Roman occupation. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: Yes

KRIS: There were saviors by the dozens on every street corner. Messiahs would come into town in twos and threes. Many wanted to be THE Messiah, to lead their people to the freedom of the kingdom of God. Many were delusional. Many were petty. Many were con artists.

JOSHUA: So would you say then that the quickening of the molecule at that period, if one can say, gave birth to all the awakenings?

KRIS: There was enormous energy concentrated at that time, because at another level in the collective human psyche you did have the beginning of a drama. Mankind especially in that portion of the world was in desperate need of breaking free of many of the old patterns.

So the collective unconscious can itself call forth such a drama and even imbue one individual with psychic and supernatural properties that will give it the keys to break free of the present patterns until such a time when it is needed again.

So there are dramas within dramas here. Coronation Street has nothing on this. (Laughter)

JOSHUA: So is Christ being incarnated now? Is he among us?

KRIS: If you consider that it is a composite of several individuals, as such there is not one Christ personality.

JOSHUA: The guy who was a Rabbi, the one you mentioned who was a Rabbi who died at the age of 38 or 39.

KRIS: The Rabbi is not around. We believe he has had enough. (Laughter)

Now we also spoke some time ago of the Christ entity, which is very different. The energy that fueled this psychological and psychic drama at the unconscious level is something entirely different. And that is still being played at some other levels. It is an ongoing story of deep and profound realizations. And many of the teachers of the old schools and old mystery religions as they were called are tied into this entity.

JOSHUA: So that entity is also the one that was behind say Mohammed and Moses?

KRIS: There are offshoots or interpretations of, to suit other needs and other times, other places and other people. But do not confuse the entity with one individual or personality.

JOSHUA: Right. So really from what I’m understanding, that energy at any period manifests through an individual of some sort, but that is in itself independent of that individual, but it can manifest every now and then according to…..

KRIS: The times and people.

JOSHUA: Right. So I understand that Mohammed was one manifestation of that energy?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: And Moses was another? And Jesus was another? The Rabbi Jesus?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA: And was B’Hala another?

KRIS: You could say that they are cousins of sorts, but still do not get the proper message that they themselves are enlightenment without necessarily acting as the go between thinking they are not enlightened and something else is. Do you understand?

JOSHUA: No. This part is slightly vague. They’re honing into that one energy that’s a universal energy that…..

KRIS: They interpreted in a way that is still not consistent with their own teachings. (Pause) They are still insisting that there must be a prophet, in other words a mouthpiece for God.

JOSHUA: Yes

KRIS: Now when you do that you automatically tell someone else, ‘God wants you to do this and he has told me.’

JOSHUA: Right

KRIS: ‘Therefore YOU are unable to attain your own divine roots unless I tell you what God wants to tell you.’

JOSHUA: Right. But if they honed to such a great energy, why did they do such a fundamental mistake?

KRIS: It is still not learned sufficiently that you do not need to have anyone tell you how to be in contact with God that you already are.

JOSHUA: Those people who have great intelligence, surely they know that. Why would they do that anyway?

MARK: You give them that intelligence. You just gave it to them. You have the exact same. Nobody’s better than the other. Nobody has any greater source.

KRIS: Because you yourself, all of you give your authority away to others on a constant basis.

JOSHUA: But when we come here and ask you questions, isn’t that in some way also giving the authority to you?

KRIS: If you pay attention, however, we do not tell you what God wants you to do. We would rather insist that you listen to the voice of God within you, if we have to word it that way. You have the authority to make decisions for yourself. You are not dependent on an external deity in order to be yourself. You are the very deity you project away from yourself.

QUESTION: Beautiful. Beautiful.

KRIS: Even though there are still many people who claim to be enlightened, but pay attention to their words and their actions and you will notice that somehow or other they still defer always to an apparently external deity in one way or another.

Our purpose is in part to remind you that within you is contained all the power that you give to others.

JOSHUA: Thank you

KRIS: You are most powerfully welcome. (Laughter)

JOSHUA: I like that.

KRIS: So do not kowtow to others. Do not bow to any other but instead acknowledge that within your heart is the door to all compassion, learning and enlightenment for that door opens from within yourself. The paths do not lead away from you but they lead TO you.

So with that we thank you most deeply for having listened to our voice, which is but an echo of the knowledge and the power and authority that is within you, and it is at best a poor echo indeed. So do enjoy YOUR power and do not seek blessings but give them to yourself and others repeatedly with pure and loving abandon because it exists within you.

With that we bid you a fond evening.

Companion Animals

December 2, 2002

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Mark C. Bukator
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on December 02, 2002 07:40 PM (19:40)
© Copyright 2004 Avion Rising Inc.

KRIS: You were speaking about companion animals or what you so joyously refer to as your pets. Do know that you are one of the rare species that keep pets so that makes you unique in some way. Your companion animals mean far more to you than you simply being either something to feed, something to walk or something to bathe. They understand your own nature and your own emotional states more completely than even you may know yourself. The reason being is that they are actually part of and parcel of your own self. So a portion of your own energy that you can not manifest will take a life of its own in that way and become your companion animal and bring you help and support, some friendship and companionship when you need it most and always unconditionally. They do not ever request that you sign some contracts or you must oblige them with union fees. If they did, many of you would be in trouble.

They do not care what you look like when you awaken in the morning. They love you from a place where you may not even be able to love yourself, so they take on that capacity. The inner self that has extended some of its energies into your companion animal does so undeservedly to bring to your attention a loving frame of reference that you rarely give yourself. Indeed, your companion animals do not care if you have hat head or pillow head in the morning. They do not care what you look like stepping out of the shower nor do they care that you think of yourself in very critical terms. Their only criticism is that you should love yourself as much as they love you. They represent portions or aspects of your self, your energies that you also rarely give to yourself. There are times when your companion animals leave or pass away. Usually those times are when you are in need of energy. When your challenges may overwhelm you, then they may acquiesce and return the energy to you. Companion animals often take on some of your challenges.

Many, many Companion Animal owners have experienced where even cancers have developed in the dog or in the cat almost to mimic their own cancers or clinical conditions. There are several reasons why they do that. One is to try to lessen your own challenge or your load, if you wish, to share with you your journey in hopes that they might be able to bring some healing to their humans. They do that unconditionally. Many of you are fortunate that they do not send you an invoice.

MARK: What about animals that have had different owners or belong to families? Is this a co-creation type of thing?

KRIS: Indeed, a companion animal that is brought up by an entire family will at times reflect the various family members’ moods or energies and express them through its own body. There are times when the companion animal has the charge or task of bringing about certain balance in the family environment that would not occur otherwise. There are times when the companion animal runs away and is adopted by another individual. Those times, your companion animal may feel that it is no longer necessary to share your journey and is being called somewhere else. They have their own innate consciousness and intelligence contrary to the popular views that they are dumb animals living on instincts alone.

They do understand the human nature sometimes much more so than your best friend psychologist. Your Companion animals often play a very therapeutic role in their relationship with you, brining solace when you need it, helping you develop the joy when it is need. The companion animal has been with mankind for a very long time and it could be said that it is the Companion Animal that domesticated man. Mind you, many animals would agree with such a statement. They often see themselves as the stewards in the relationship, taking care of their humans.

MARK: What about animals that are not pets, animals in the wild?

KRIS: They also represent various offshoots of the collective human energy field. They have their own existences. They are also allowed to display their own growth patterns. Consciousness expresses itself in many forms as possible, some that you see and some that you do not, some that manifest here and some that do not. Just like some of your thoughts do not ever manifest and others do. So they play a very important role in human society. From a simple pet for a child to what you now have as therapy animals. There are some wild creatures that have reportedly left behind their wild state when a human being either wounded or sick is in need of help. So here you have relationships when you need them.

Your companion animals are a necessary part of your social structure. It can easily be demonstrated that families that have Companion Animals are more easily adaptable to situations and inter-member relationships than those who never have had the opportunity to interact with a companion animal.

MARK: Do you highly recommend them?

KRIS: Indeed and do not treat them so much as chattel but treat them with the same respect that they treat you. Now it does not mean that you must take out the Royal Albert China and the gold plated cutlery at the dinner table. They do like to have their role, their place in the social structure. They are highly structured animals, both cats and dogs and when they leave your companionship, they pass away, part of that energy returns to your psyche. It may bring about an upsurge of perhaps enlightenment, comprehension, perhaps even a sense of fulfillment but they can continue on their own journey as well. They are a valid expression of consciousness which means they will evolve in their form as well. Now dogs will never become cats and your cats will never become dogs even though there are no divisions in consciousness itself. Still there are orders of expression and your cats continue in that type of reincarnational field or arena if you so desire.

MARK: What would be another arena for a cat?

KRIS: Perhaps there are other families that may need that particular cat’s expression of consciousness and it may be bring with it the knowledge and experience of having been with one or more people during it’s recently past experience. It may instead choose a more feral state where it can express more of its creature hood. There are always variations and it considers each one before it decides to take its own birth once again.

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