Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Joshua K., Rob (Rendrick), Dave (Valance), Brad (Illuma), Scott and Lorraine (Saggan)

(7:48 PM)

KRIS: Now we trust that you are all very comfortable and we thank you for your lovely consideration. As well, we are rather humbled by your comments and observations. It stands to reason that each and every one of you, whether we meet for the first time or the umpteenth time, that you need to sort out and filter and interpret the meaning of the words, their inferences, their personal impact upon you and your own thinking processes and belief structures in your own unique way. And as you stay true to your vision of life and reality, so will you gain in knowledge and wisdom.

And we specifically use the words "true to your vision of life" because it is very important that you discover within yourselves; what are your own truths. There are many individuals who feel they must immediately within the hour, change who and what they are right now to give the appearance that they are of a deep understanding of the words, the concepts, the material and the very idea that they are more than the sum of all of their parts.

But by rushing towards being something they are not to begin with and quite likely steamrolling over their own usual personality structure, their own best intention is immediately defeated because they will try to become something they are not. And by remaining true to YOUR vision of life, YOUR vision of yourselves in the here and now, exactly where each and every one of you sit in this moment, aware of the way in which you translate the meaning of our experience in YOUR life will have far more of an impact than any of you trying to be something that you are not.

And there is indeed more than mere humility, there is a great deal of wisdom innate within your own personality structure. By remaining true to whom and what you are right now gives you a certain leverage and access to that deeper innate wisdom in allowing yourselves to observe how the words, their intent, their meaning crashes upon the shore of your own consciousness so that you can become even more aware that you too are more than the sum of your parts.

You are more than accountants, wives, husbands, fathers, mothers, lovers, policemen, graphic artists and so on and so forth. These are merely some of the roles through which you express your individuality, but above and beyond those particular practiced roles lives an individual that at times and at best is barely even known to oneself.

So it behooves each and every one of you from time to time to enter an introspective mood, to wonder at the wonder of yourself, to appreciate the meaning that you manifest in your life and to enjoy one of the most simple things in all of creation: the fact that you ARE, period.

And out of that wonderment comes the rest of your existence. The simple fact of being is not an arduous and laborious function. Each of you do that without thinking. Barely one iota of energy goes into the process of being and yet such a small particle of individuated energy transforms the whole of existence through the venue of your personality. Therefore, we contend that it merits introspection, once or twice in a lifetime. (Pause) Perhaps three times.

(Group laughter)

And thus, ponder the imponderable beings that you are and thus, find a means to rejoice in the simple fact that you breathe, that you live and experience, and from that nuclei bursts forth in all directions the lives that each of you lives. It is customary to think of oneself as little more than an amalgam of proteins, amino acids, molecules and a host of other chemical interactions and after a certain period of time as you understand it, you are no more.

But underneath that, in a place that is often considered secret and sometimes even shameful, there is a depth of awareness that goes well beyond what you learned. You are supposed to be. The human experience itself cannot be contained within the pages of the books that try to describe the human experience from one perspective or another or another still. Just as you cannot truly even get an inkling of what an ocean is merely by understanding that it is wet or it is salty or it has fish in it or algae. It is not merely one of those things or even a hundred of those things, but so much more still.

And the same applies to each of your wondrous lives, whether you like your lives or despise them is ultimately irrelevant. You ARE going to have that life. What you do with it is an entirely different thing and it is our humble contention that it is in your own favor, to your advantage, to find admirable traits and qualities to your lives because you will continue having it for some time, instead of anything else that people also and often complain about concerning their lives.

And of course we cannot in the least way bring you a taste of that other side of life, but that you yourselves must bring the spoon to your lips and draw it in. Thus, with this small, humble presentation, we believe that some of you may have a few, if not many questions. Please feel free to ask your questions. Whether you wish to have a small break now or after, is up to you. What say you?

MARK: (To the others) Keep going?

(General consent)

JOSHUA K.: I have a question, Kris.

KRIS: As you would.

JOSHUA K.: A few weeks ago during a session here you asked us to list fifteen or twenty things that each one of us appreciate about ourselves and each day to contemplate that one thing that we appreciate about ourselves and each day to go to the next one and the next and you said after fifteen days, sort of the state of our consciousness would change, it would be like re-programming ourselves.

KRIS: We did say that after the first five to seven days the process will become easier, and within twenty-one days the ability to appreciate your own nature, your own qualities will indeed flow much more easily, creating then, a slow transformation of consciousness -- nothing miraculous! -- But sufficient to cause one indeed to wonder how they could have lived their lives in the other way before.

JOSHUA K.: That evening, I think the word "programming" your mind to become a more positive one.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: I think that evening I also asked you if it is possible to exist or live a life that is not programmed at all. I would like you to expand on that. I'm very interested in that, a human consciousness that is not programmed at all either positively or negatively, but just living completely in the moment with no programs.

KRIS: Even living in the moment is a program. The minute, the very moment, the second consciousness interacts with the field of human reality as you understand it, requires a program that instills the process of transformation, of energy from one state to another, from the state of literally unseen to manifest, from the state of thought to the state of being perceived through the physical senses. Otherwise you do not venture forth into physical reality. Does that make sense to you?

JOSHUA K.: I understand what you're saying....I can't quite viscerally experience it yet. Intellectually, I'm understanding what you are saying.

KRIS: Even a rock, in your terms, needs a form of program to alter its energies from its native state towards that which appears to your senses as a rock. It is still energy, it is consciousness, but it will be projected in such a manner that to your senses, it is picked up, translated as rock, which to you or most individuals simply means innate, inanimate [and] therefore lifeless. But it is still composed of consciousness.

JOSHUA K.: So consciousness itself is programmed?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOSHUA K.: So it is programmed.

KRIS: Does that answer your question?

JOSHUA K.: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAVE: I have a question.

MARK: I'm sorry, your name?

DAVE: Sorry, my name is David.

KRIS: Indeed, welcome.

DAVE: Thank you. My question has to do with my daughter and my responsibility, if any, to her Essence from my Essence. I know that I have a connection with her and I'm struggling to understand my responsibility to her, or her to me, as we seem to be connected as two Essences.

KRIS: May we inquire as to her physical age?

DAVE: She's 17.

KRIS: And how many grey hairs do you now have?

(Group laughter)

DAVE: She started at three years old to be a challenge.

(Raucous laughter)

KRIS: Indeed. Notice what that challenge has brought you apart from grey hairs. How has her appearance in your life been transformative?

DAVE: How has her life....I didn't realize that life could be this difficult. My life was easy. My life was charmed.

MARK: She was your first born too, though.

DAVE: Yes. She has transformed my life into a pain.

MARK: Was she not a joy at first, though?

DAVE: Well....let me talk about the pain.

(Laughter)

She's helped me to explore.....actually, very curiously, she's helped me to understand that I am separate from other people, I suppose. She's helped me to understand though, through reading and talking [that] I am connected to everyone, but more to this point to let her be separate from me, and the metaphor I use is I get into trouble when I become a lead role in her movie.

As long as I continue to be a supporting actor in her movie, or as soon as I try to direct her movie or star in her movie, co-star, I get into problems. But at the same time there is a huge urge in me inside that I know is true, that I want to help her and that I want to help her through these rough periods and that I support her in these things and to guide her with the knowledge that I have for her.

KRIS: As you have indicated, as long as you do not become the leading man, your life is safe, correct?

DAVE: No....well, it's safe...it's safe for me to stand by and have my heart torn out, broken, stabbed with steely knives.....But maybe that's a little more dramatic than it needs to be.

KRIS: Indeed. Underneath the apparent discomforts this child has brought you, is an underlying current that, as you have pointed out, ties both of you together. Now, in another situation, you were rather overbearing, possessive, jealous, in some ways even cruel in some manners. You could not understand the depth of your own passions and jealousies, nor could you understand or even tolerate your wife's independence and her almost unfathomable intelligence.

The two of you then agreed outside of the bonds of physical experience, to try this experiment again, but from different vantage points. This time from the perspective of a father-daughter relationship which would give both of you a very different perspective. This time you are less apt to lock her up or even abuse her merely because she speaks her mind.

You also both chose the specific historical period within which you would enact this drama and in particular for you, you have had to dig deep within yourself to reflect upon and even find courage to raise this entity in this way. There is still underneath all of this, a very deep bond and love that, we would even say surprises you. Is that correct?

DAVE: (Taking a very deep breath and speaking slowly and thoughtfully) I would say that definitely it has tested me...and I've had to reach very deep and gained a new understanding of myself in order to deal with what's gone on in the last year.

KRIS: Indeed, because?

DAVE: I have always loved her and all my children and my wife, I have a deep, deep connection with them all. I don't know that she is any more or any less than that. I know that there's a powerful, powerful bond between us.

KRIS: Your envelope has been pushed many times.

DAVE: Oh, yes.

KRIS: But do not worry, the post office is always there. (Dave chuckles dryly) If you allow yourself to reflect upon how your understanding of the world may even have been shattered, but definitely expanded, and a new-found respect for what it is to deal with the human personality, you may even find some of the reasons why the both of you have engaged this type of relationship this time around.

We believe that perhaps about three more years time will pass before a radical change leads her into a different perspective. Both of you will find that through all of the horn-locking you indeed have evolved a very deep appreciation for each other's qualities: perseverance, patience, and how you not only see each other, but see yourselves, each other. Does that make sense to you?

DAVE: Yes, it does. I'm wondering how involved I should be. My gut, my heart, and my head tell me I should be stepping back and allowing her to take....(Pause).....I'm buffering the world from her right now. I'm keeping her out of jail right now, literally. So, I'm wondering what's my responsibility?

KRIS: Truth be told, you are not responsible for her any more than your laws allow....and your heart allows. Other than that, we believe your best interactive principle would be from the sidelines, being there when there is a need for support. But do not take the blows, do not take the falls, do not cushion her falls.

Otherwise, how is she expected to learn from her own mistakes, regardless if from your perspective, you may wrap yourself with guilt knowing that perhaps you could have done something, thinking that perhaps words here, actions there would have saved her from a fall. The more you prevent, the more momentum she may pick up. Does that make sense to you?

DAVE: Yes, she has a choice right now. The lessons she may learn in prison, I'm not sure are the lessons I can....I can deal with her learning....but that may be something she has to learn.

KRIS: Again, as difficult as this may be for you, there is only so much you may be able to prevent her from doing. That again may set you up as the enemy. Do you understand?

DAVE: I'm the enemy in her life...yes, I understand.....yes.....yes....Thank you.

KRIS: You will need strength and it would likely be in your best interests for your own sake for some personal counseling if you are not already so involved, simply for you to determine what your boundaries are and how to set them up to balance your own existence. Does that make sense?

DAVE: Yep. It does.

KRIS: Other than that, do understand that both of you have chosen this interaction, as difficult as it may be, because the both of you have a dear need for the experience within your lives, what it brings, what it means.

And though you may feel dubious at best concerning some higher intent or purpose that either of you may have, there is a certain element of trust that can be incorporated here, that regardless of appearances, even if it seems that the locomotive is going too fast on the curve, that somehow or other she is still in control of her destiny, even at her darkest hour, and has a choice, a choice that expresses the highest values for her own self, just as you would incorporate the same trust within YOUR perspective. And build a new foundation from that point on. Do you follow?

DAVE: Yes. I do that actually, almost every day with her. We start fresh, let yesterday go and begin again to build trust with one another.

KRIS: Indeed. Not only to build trust with each other, but with yourself, as she will be incorporating trust within herself. Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:25.

KRIS: Then we suggest a small break where you can each have a great deal of trust with each other.

(A short break and Kris returns at 8:32)

KRIS: (To Dave) As an aside to your previous discussion, whatever happened to your own rebellious nature? What did you do with the rebel in you? Did you ever allow him to come out?

DAVE: I remember the actual day when I was thirteen years old when I decided to put that rebel away and to allow other people to decide what and where I should go and what I should do. I let that rebel out and I'm afraid of what will happen, and I look at it every....yeah, oh every year, year and a half, I meet that rebel and I....I...that's a good question.

KRIS: Perhaps a very simple little practice just for you. Once a month, you may even premeditate on this -- once a month, even if you must use a small muffin with icing and sprinkles, put a candle in it, light the candle, and take, even if only a moment to celebrate the rebellious energy within you. To acknowledge it, to address it, and accept it. Then blow out the candle and go about your day and the rest of the month.

You see, regardless of the events, conditions, circumstances that seem to assail each and every one of you, sometimes even on a daily basis, it is not about the events, conditions and circumstances, but it is about YOU. Each of you, whether you blanch at the idea or not, your life is about you, is it not?

The government may have another idea, but that is their problem. That is why they collect your taxes. Other than that, your lives are about you. Therefore everything that occurs within your life is about you, plain and simple as the nose on Rudolph. And if you deny, suppress, ignore and JUDGE various portions of yourself, you may find that that energy seems to appear in your lives at the most inopportune times, drawing your attention in one way or another, because that energy wishes to let you know that you have severed it and condemned it to ignorance.

And it cannot not be part of your lives. The intention may be noble indeed, but the action itself is not constructive. Most people feel that if they accept their rebellious side, their sexual side, this side or that side of their personality, then they will go to hell in a hand basket, faster than popcorn in the microwave.

However, if they would actually engage the accepting, they would discover that quite contrary to popular misconceptions, they actually reclaim a part of their lives and there is indeed a deep rejoicing in that action. The self can be made whole. Ultimately it IS whole in every sense of the word, but when you divide it and divorce it, then there are actions and repercussions. Does that make sense?

JOHN: Absolutely.

KRIS: So for you a small celebration once a month in acknowledgment of your own rebellious energies may indeed bring peace you have thought lost. What do you have to lose? You have much to gain, and a nice icy muffin!

(Group laughter)

DAVE: Sprinkles.

KRIS: Indeed. If you must, you can also add a cherry on top.

DAVE: You see a rebel buried in me, is that what....?

MARK: There's a rebel buried in all of us.

JOHN: You said at age thirteen that you buried it yourself.

DAVE: I wouldn't call it a rebel.

LORRAINE: You called it a rebel.

DAVE: No, I didn't.

LORRAINE: You said rebellion.

DAVE: No.

JOSHUA K.: What did you say?

DAVE: I continued with the rebel [designation], but Kris called it a rebel.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, do understand we may not be making allusions to a James Dean, but when energies or aspects of the self are considered unacceptable in one way or another, the normal energies together dig a mental pit and try to shove as much earth and dirt on top of it, much like piling pounds and pounds of mud under the carpet, thinking of course no one will ever find out! Overall we believe you understand the gist of this, so once a month, if you care, make a very small celebration only for yourself in acknowledgment of your being and see what comes of it.

Indeed, are there other lovely questions and by the way, do not feel the questions that you ask, hijacked. If you did this many times, perhaps someone would object.

DAVE: Thank you.

MARK: (To Rob) Go ahead.

ROB: Hi Kris, my name is Rob and I just have maybe an observation, and it just seems -- maybe you can see if I'm on the right track -- you are born and raised by a family with brothers and sisters and whatever, and it seems you are on a trek or on a mission to discover the world and to learn as much as you can from your experiences and all the responsibilities that come with being human. And it seems you get to a certain level or a certain maturity and you end up studying yourself.

And that's kind of where I am right now, been a number of places in the world, done a lot of things, looking at my own retirement and kind of starting to ask some questions of the world, why am I here, what have I accomplished, has it been worthy and that sort of thing, only to discover that really, probably the grandest discovery of all is to study oneself. And it's a much deeper subject than I ever -- first of all, I never thought of doing such a thing -- and it ends up being a much deeper subject than studying China or the Orient or Cuba.

KRIS: If we had a hat, we would take it off to you!

(Group chuckling)

Indeed, the individual chooses by arrangement the bloodline, the family line, the family, the individuals with which he will interact - or she. Then the individual leaves the nest after so many years, as have explained very nicely, seeks to discover the world. In actuality, the entire process is a study in the unfolding of your personality, of your being, family unit included.

The world, exotic and not-so-exotic places, and everything in between, are actually stages in the development of your ongoing personality. It is a structure that does not begin with birth and end at death, but continuous in various other stages, other than physical. You are at a stage where inner reflection, your capacity to understand, have now crossed paths, and indeed, if you do look back at your life, your youth, your childhood, right up to this moment, you may indeed discover that our words ring true.

That it is and has always been about discovering whom and what you are. And this applies to each and every one of you. Some people may go through their entire lives without a thought, but when the thought comes, the realization takes hold, then indeed the world is not the same place it was or that you thought it ever was because the world is not about the world, the world is about you.

Your view of the world, your interpretation of the world, how you resonate with that, the people you meet on the journey of life may each have unique characters and personas of their own, but they will only reflect various aspects of your own personality, truly the wise individual is he or she who reflects upon these things and accepts that his or her life is truly a miraculous unfolding. Does that make sense to you?

ROB: Yes it does. I'm wondering....my brother's name, my brother John here...

KRIS: You know this brother of yours?

ROB: Yep, he's our long-lost brother....only because he lives in Toronto...but um...his name --

KRIS: We have heard it said that many Torontonians are lost!

(Group chuckling)

KRIS: Please continue.

ROB: It depends on your perspective, but yes.....John, we know him by John because he's my brother. I understand his Essence is....Sohars? Something like that, I don't know if I'm pronouncing it properly, and I'm wondering....I suppose we all have Essences, we are Essences and we are taking a human form right now. I'm interested what my Essence name might be.

KRIS: Indeed.

ROB: If you knew.

KRIS: We would pronounce yours as "Rendrick." Spelling might be R-E-N-D-R-I-C-K.

ROB: Thank you.

KRIS: (To Dave) Yours would be "Valance." Not associated with any drapes that we know of.

(Laughter)

And as aside, your daughter that you spoke of is of the same Essence. Both of you are working out some very unique issues.

DAVE: We are of the same Essence?

KRIS: Indeed. Very same angles, perspectives.

DAVE: (Thoughtfully) Of the same Essence....Which one's dominant?

(Laughter)

MARK: (Jokingly) Depends on the lifetime!

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

ROB: Well, my friend Brad here is also a police officer, retired, and I'm sure he has a question and I'm sitting in the place maybe where he ought to sit....Brad, maybe if we switched places? Because the microphone is here. I'm sure you have a question.

KRIS: (To Brad) We trust that you enjoy being put on the spot?

(Laughter)

BRAD: I'm used to it. I was in a meditative state over there and I was just listening to you, very nice, very enjoyable. And I just would enjoy my Essence name?

KRIS: (Pause) Your Essence...not to say is unique as separate from others, but also enjoys unique perspectives. You are a very introspective individual. Though you sometimes speak your truth, we feel that you still hold back. You study, in your own mind, various ways that you might be able to express words and feelings. Does that make sense to you?

BRAD: Absolutely.

KRIS: Though on the surface, you might be considered a very physical individual, you are far more emotional and you utilize the physical as a shield to protect your emotional self. Does that also make sense?

BRAD: Absolutely.

KRIS: Now, we will not let anything else out of the bag.

(Laughter)

Your Essence, we would call "Illuma." I-L-L-U-M-A, Illuma.

JOSHUA K.: Who decides on these names, Kris?

KRIS: They are simply interpretations that we give them. Essences do not have names, per se. There are times when it would simply be unintelligible in your human syntax, but you do each as Essence, have ways to communicate with each other and you recognize what we would simply call your energy signature. But in human terms you need to have some point of reference and we try to make it as lovely as possible.

BRAD: Thank you.

KRIS: Do you have another question?

BRAD: Indeed. The collective usually sends us intuition, feelings to act on, but in our confusing, competitive, egotistical world, we confuse other people's contentions or directions for.....how do I say this?.....Your ego gets in the way of what your feelings should direct you towards. How do you filter that?

KRIS: A very interesting question, and if we are allowed, we would like to simply make a small editing. Firstly, the collective is always communicating. It is its very nature. That is why, in many ways, at the physical human level, your human fascination with communication and the speed of communication is so prevalent in your modern technological age. You are in some ways trying to mimic, even if it is unconscious, trying to mimic that greater communication that exists at those layers of Being.

Secondly, the individual does not necessarily have communications thrust upon him or her. The individual allows and invites those communications that are resonant with his or her state of Being, a communications that reflect his or her particular set of convictions and these are further interpreted and even misinterpreted again through various layers of the ego construction.

For some people, if they could only get the winning lottery numbers, then indeed, this would prove to them once and for all, absolutely, that all of this so-called mumbo jumbo has any truth in it at all. These are the people that would likely never get the right lottery numbers, because the underlying principle is that none of this is trustworthy, so they will simply keep programming themselves in that way and the physical world will confirm their beliefs. Do you follow so far?

BRAD: Absolutely.

KRIS: First and foremost, to develop your own intuitive or anyone's intuitive abilities, there is a simple pre-requisite: Get to know who and what you are. Understand the nature of what is called reality creation. In other words, physical reality, the physical world, is a confirmation of what you believe, therefore if you want to know what you believe, look at the physical world, since it is a confirmation. As your beliefs change, that world will also change to confirm your beliefs. Does that make sense so far?

BRAD: So far.

KRIS: As you begin to understand the nature of what it is you believe through the process of examining your confirmations in the physical world, invite or allow deeper intuitive knowledge. And it can begin in this manner: we do not know exactly how many of you have pondered this before, but you went to school to do what? When you went to kindergarten or grade school, what did you do there? You learned to read, did you not? You learned to write, did you not? You learned to formulate syntax, sentences, string vowels and syllables and consonants into words after other words to create sentences to express thoughts, feelings and so on, correct?

BRAD: Correct.

KRIS: But did you go to school to learn to see? Did you go to school to learn how to think? You went to school to learn WHAT to think. HOW to think, you did that on your own. You HEARD on your own, you expressed a thought itself on your own. These are all innate qualities that preceded anything else you learned on top of that. Does that make sense?

BRAD: Yes.

KRIS: By revisiting, reflecting upon, introspecting upon, those earlier stages you might also stumble upon quite easily, stumble upon those innate processes that each and every one of you have always improvised over and above what you learned and how you learned to use or suppress them. Thus, by digging into those treasure chests of wisdom and innate knowledge, you can easily discover how to differentiate between the ramblings on the conscious mind and the signals and messages that come from those deeper layers.

And it does not take years and decades in order to appreciate those innate processes. They are still functioning. For instance, you may know what you want to express, but you may not necessarily know what word will come out of your mouth until you open it. Does that also make sense?

BRAD: Yes.

KRIS: So immediately there is a sampling of some of this innate knowledge and wisdom within you. By playing with these small concepts you can easily learn to differentiate and make use of that innate, intuitive nature. We do not believe that you can have it as simply put as that.

JOHN: Yes. Nicely done.

KRIS: Does that make sense to you?

BRAD: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed! Does that answer your question?

BRAD: Yes.

KRIS: Indeed. What is the time?

MARK: 8:59.

KRIS: Indeed, we suggest a small pause so that you might all look inside your minds and wonder what wonders you have neglected to explore!

(Short break and Kris returns at 9:08 PM)

KRIS: Now that you have all had some respite and enjoyed some discussion, perhaps there are other questions that you may ask.

SCOTT: My name is Scott Cameron and I would like to ask you what is your skill, what is your post-notes, what is an Essence? Are you reading karma? Do you feel body language or spirit? You've talked of people I know here tonight and parts of that I can only [say] "Oh, yeah, I know that, I'm with you, sitting beside you, what do you feel?" Where does it come from? Is it a learned, is it a natural gift?

KRIS: Old Chinese secret.

(Group laughs)

All kidding aside, you are all energy Beings, first and foremost. How you express that energy in physical terms is unique for each and every one of you, though there may be many similarities in those expressions. Your purpose for doing perhaps the same thing as your neighbor may be entirely different. Do you follow so far?

SCOTT: Yes.

KRIS: But again, first and foremost, you are energy. EVERYTHING is energy. Even though you see here a table that, to your senses, is stone and weighs approximately 200 or more pounds, ultimately that table is merely an amalgam of atoms and molecules of which they are the composite of units of consciousness. Your quantum physicists may be able to prove this intellectually but to your senses, if you walked into it, you would still end up with a very painful shinbone!

All of the physical manifestations aside, again, you are all energy, whatever that may mean to you. Non-corporeal energy structures, as we are. We do not have a physical form to express through as you do. You could say that we have given up for Lent!

(Laughter)

We are taking a break. When we communicate with you, we are aware of your corporeal AND non-physical structures. Our main interaction is at the non-physical level and there are times when we may incorrectly still interpret that energy structure. And there are other times when the flow is very nice indeed.

We do not specifically read energy, or tap into what is often called past lives or Akashic records as much as our enjoyment comes with the interaction itself, observing how the individual, in this case, you, would allow your own energy to interact with another energy structure and the added bonus being that you can be made aware of this to some degree. Some people less, some people more.

There is a great deal of enjoyment that comes from assisting another [to] have some degree of remembrance that they too are energy, first and foremost, whilst being physically expressed in physical reality. And that is part of our purpose, our intent is soliciting, eliciting, evoking even a distant din of remembrance of Essence; you being energy. And what is Essence, but the primordial principle within your life, meaning that it too, is more than the sum of all of your parts, and then some.

You may consider some of them to be past lives, future lives, probable lives, ultimate lives, ultimately they are the expression of that not quite physical energy structure that then takes it upon itself to express through the auspices of material nature, of the physical world, physical reality, a specific zone of creation unlike others where thoughts, feelings, emotions, perspectives, perceptions and a whole host of other qualifiers are transformed into physical expression.

Most individuals in your western world are convinced that they are nothing more, as we have stated very early on, nothing more than flesh and bone and once their time is up, once the grim reaper recalls their number, that is it, they are annihilated. And that creates a schism in the psyche of the individual who intuitively, subconsciously, has a knowing that his or her life is more than just the physical. But very little in your reality, especially in the western culture, actually reflects that yet.

So the individual may indeed become very frightened of his or her impending death and some individuals even begin reacting to that ultimate reality event years and decades before it ever occurs because they are told that at the end you are out like a candlelight.

And yet, deep within the individual there is a knowing that this is not so, "but nothing supports my inner knowing, therefore my inner knowing must be at fault." That can indeed create a disturbance at the level of the psyche. So our humble intent is to assist the individual even in peeking behind the curtain of that kind of knowledge that is often forbidden. Does that make sense to you so far?

SCOTT: Yes. I'm following you.

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

SCOTT: I don't have a specific question.

KRIS: You may think one!

SCOTT: What is your gift? We've driven five hours to come and listen to you because you have a skill or a gift or something. People keep coming back.

MYRNA: I think I've already heard that, Scott, if I may? In just what Kris just said to you, us....I believe what I've learned is that in coming into physical reality I chose to forget my wider Self and in doing so experienced the physical on the material plane. I believe the gift that I heard Kris state is their joy in helping us remember that we are more than this.

KRIS: We believe that there is an old adage that you can give a man a fish to feed himself and he will eat and be hungry later, but if you can teach the man to build a fishing pole, a fishing line and a hook and find bait, he will then be able to feed himself. Does that make sense?

SCOTT: Yes.

KRIS: Then in all humility, if we were to consider a gift per se, it would be that if we can teach one human being to make a fishing pole, a line, a hook, and find bait and then fish for himself or herself, then indeed we would consider our purpose fulfilled. Does that make sense to you?

SCOTT: Yes.

KRIS: Other than that, our intent is to reflect your individual gifts in one way or another. Do you also understand that?

SCOTT: No, not that last statement. Would you say it again?

KRIS: If we could voice in some way, fashion, or another, the energy, the exaltation, (Kris goes into his "rolling thunder" voice) the exuberance and the vitality of life that you all very often are afra-a-a-i-i-d to touch, that you must wear white gloves, with our own energies then if we can help you take off the white gloves and jump in the mud of life and wrestle as you would and enjoy yourselves, then again, our purpose is fulfilled.

When you think that life may be FRIGHTENING, when you consider that you MUST FEAR it, lest it BITES you, then already you are as defeated as you will ever be, but if you change your perception and consider life as a very RICH soil, waiting, already tilled, waiting for the seeds of your thoughts, your enjoyments, your pleasures, so that it can take those seeds and transform them into sequoias, then how gigantic, how HEROIC and how transformed your life is (Kris claps his hands) INSTANTLY!

(Soberly) So it is for you to decide if you will meet life (in sorrowful tones) as a conquered, vanquished, defeated individual (forcefully and loudly) or if you will open your arms and greet the rising sun as your brother and together you will create untold wonders during this one day going into late at night, thinking how you will do the same tomorrow, then you have nothing to fear of life, for there is no fear there. You are victorious. You are masters of your destiny.

MYRNA: Or in some cases, mistresses.

KRIS: As well!

MYRNA: (Chuckling) May I build on that energy that you just pulled into the room here?

KRIS: Are yo-o-o-u certain?!

MYRNA: (Laughing) Kris, there's an opportunity in the next day or so for Lorraine and I, around a particular business project and I'm speaking for Myrna, I won't speak for Lorraine. I want to approach the next 24 hours really high energy around this. My automatic response is fear of failure and disappointment, you know, I have a dream.

KRIS: May we butt in here as the But-in-skies that we are?

(Group Laughter)

MYRNA: You certainly may.

KRIS: Indeed. You say your "automatic response." How did it become automatic?

MYRNA: The moment I can feel myself getting really excited about the possibility of a dream [coming true], I go (claps hands) "That's not gonna happen. I'm going to get heartbroken. That's not gonna happen. I'm too scared."

MARK: (Pointedly) And how did that happen?

KRIS: That is correct. How did that come to be?

JOHN: (Whispering) Repetition, habitual repetition.

MARK: Allowing. You allowed it, for one.

MYRNA: I allowed...what? The opposition, the opposing energy?...Habit!...Beliefs turning into a habit.

KRIS: What is a belief but a thought that you have focused upon and through association and compounding have made it into something it is not? You have made it into a truth and yet, that truth is a lie. The only truth that exists here is that you have thought that your forests of sequoias....may it be frightening?

MYRNA: I'm sorry...I have thought that my forest of sequoias what?

KRIS: May it be frightening?

MYRNA: (Pause) I never thought of it that way.

KRIS: You have been on the west coast. Have you not seen the big redwoods?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: You may not have seen sequoias, they are usually further south, but the redwoods are still big. Do you remember being near any of them?

MYRNA: In Stanley Park, yes.

KRIS: What happened when you looked up?

MYRNA: Actually the trunks of the trees....I loved it.

KRIS: Did it give you a sense of expansion? A sense of that you yourself might be a part of that sequoia?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Even if subjectively.

MYRNA: Yep. I love the feeling of expansion.

KRIS: Then focus on that imagery, in fact, not only of one, but an entire forest, as far as the horizon is visible to your mental eyes. Pretend this very moment, now, that you are in a vast field of giant sequoias, as far as the eye can see. And since this is your imagination, you can see much further than your regular eyes. What kind of feeling do you perceive here?

MYRNA: I feel like I'm riding the....riding the air....yes.

KRIS: Tap into that energy every time that little gremlin in your mind says (Kris smacks his palms and whispers something to soft to be recorded) then tell him to go sit on a sequoia!

(Group laughter)

[Someone asks what a sequoia is.]

MYRNA: I think they're big cactuses?

JOHN: No, fir trees.

KRIS: Giant red pines.

MYRNA: Oh, okay.

KRIS: Simply tap into that feeling-tone. Utilize it to inundate your zone. Make it your vibration, if you wish. It is not that difficult.

JOHN: And then this becomes the new automatic response.

MYRNA: Yeah, I like this. That's easy! I like that practice.

LORRAINE: And fun.

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: Now, when we raise our voice to reflect your own energies, what did you feel in the room? And this is open to any of you.

JOHN: It felt good. It felt powerful.

LORRAINE: I felt joy. I felt release.

MARK: It felt meaningful.

KRIS: [Smiling] We would not touch that with a ten-foot pole!

(Group laughter)

MYRNA: I felt my....I've had trouble recently with my throat. I felt my voice...thunder.

KRIS: That is the key. When we do this, it is to remind you (Loudly) of the thunderous voices in your own being! The energy that is yours [and] the exuberance and the vitality that often you fear expressing. Perhaps you do not want to stand out. Perhaps you are even afraid of your own energies. Every once in awhile we turn the tap on. It is, we believe, the best draft you can have. Are there any other questions?

LORRAINE: Yes. I think one of my great fears is the fear of my strength, my power. (To Dave) When I heard you talk about having, you know, at age thirteen, having to put away that part of you..... I probably did it around the age of one or two in order to survive my mother and have had various images of that same person around in my life and I'm quite aware they were all there for a purpose and some are still there. I....yeah, I would say I'm afraid to let out that power, for fear of what …

KRIS: If you were to be an animal, what animal would you be?

LORRAINE: I think of two. One is Pegasus, and the other is a tiger.

KRIS: Good! At least you did not choose to be a mouse.

LORRAINE: (Chuckling) No.

KRIS: Because tigers eat mice. If you were to be a tiger, would you be a Siberian tiger, a Himalayan White tiger? Choose one.

LORRAINE: Himalayan White.

KRIS: Indeed. And would you simply sit in a cave watching the world go by or would you follow your instincts? You are hungry, your sense of smell tells you supper is nearby. Your muscles become more limber and tense as you begin the hunt! Do you feel that?

LORRAINE: Yes!

KRIS: Feel it every day. When you wake up and become lucid and conscious, take a moment to think of the tiger, his sense of smell.....smells the world, knows his hunger and goes on the hunt. And play with that energy, let it infuse your being. And have fun.

LORRAINE: And I can just....I need to understand how I can take that energy and stand in front of a group of people, as a speaker...where I can speak as Lorraine...and connect to them from who they are...

KRIS: Consider the tiger with her cubs. Eventually she will teach them how to be tigers. How to smell and then go on the hunt. Relate to them, then, as cubs, with your energy. Lorraine is much more than what shows up as a reflection in the mirror. Does that make sense to you?

LORRAINE: Yes.

KRIS: Have fun with the energy.

LORRAINE: Thank you.

KRIS: You are indeed most welcome. Essence name for you is Saggan. S-A-G-G-A-N.

LORRAINE: What does that mean?

KRIS: It has no particular meaning.... (Pause)... Now, what is the time?

MARK: 9:38.

KRIS: Then indeed, we will take leave of your lovely selves, (Loudly) your lovely EXUBERANT selves! Tigers and sequoias oh, my! And we again thank you for your consideration.

ALL: Thank you, Kris.

(Session ends.)