Roll Call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Ellen (Kwaa'Ji), Cathy (Segova), Katherine (Colombia), and Vera (Beth)
(10:30 AM)
KRIS: Now, we trust that you are all comfortable. And to make doubly certain you know who is speaking: We thank you for your consideration.
[There are greetings offered and also some giggling from Cathy and I who had flown in from Philadelphia together the day before. We'd been privileged to share a walk in the park with Mark and Serge and Brahm in the evening. Brahm clued us in on how to tell when either he or Kris is speaking: Kris always offers the same opening line [as above], while Brahm joked that he likes to be much more "flowery."]
ELLEN: (Mock astonishment) This must be Kris!
CATHY: Gotta be Kris!
KRIS: And to make certain you are aware of our appreciation, we welcome (turning to each of us as he expresses our Essence names): Segova, Kwaa'Ji, Shara-Leene, Sohars, Philip, and (turning towards Vera, who is a new participant) Beth.
[NOTE: a short time later we were joined by Katherine, who arrived a bit late.]
ELLEN: (To Vera) Beth. You have an Essence name.
VERA: (Looking expectantly towards Kris for an explanation)
KRIS: In so many words, it is an intonation, a name that may represent the Source of your Being. Beth, short for Beethoven. In Ludwig von Beethoven's lifetime, you had associations and you were very enamored by the music produced by the individual. And even today, were you to listen DEEPLY to some of the musical master's works, you would find a deeper resonance with the music. Keep that in mind when you do search out and listen to Beethoven's music. Do you understand?
VERA: (Nodding)
KRIS: Indeed. (Turning back towards the group) Now the topic for today has been named "Past Lives Dynamics" and we wish to explore eventually beyond some of the regular understandings of past lives and perhaps share with you insights into the dynamics of your own expressions. Now, some of you have heard over the course of your lifetime that you may have had other lives, past lives and this opens up a proverbial can of philosophical worms because it has implications, meaning that there is now the entertaining of the possibility that this one lifetime may not be your unique experience with physicality. There may be other lives, experiences, moments, insights at play here. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
And we wish to also mention that as such, most people consider that they have had past lives, but it could as easily be said that those past lives have a future life somewhere else in time and space. And quite possibly, if you have so-called past lives, there is the inherent possibility that there MUST somewhere be future lives to whom you are the past life. And we believe this is essential to keep in mind as it opens up even more venues of possibilities.
There are certainly traditional understandings that come from the Eastern philosophies, tied in with the notions of Karma. And this is a very well thought out system for what is at hand, meaning that this philosophical religious system, set up in traditional views about Karma and reincarnation, is meant to stimulate the individual towards working with the dogmas of the philosophies and religions implied, especially with the dispensations available through the priestly classes to encourage you to support them, therefore finding some ways to alleviate what is often considered offensive things of one kind or another, make it easier for the individual to return to the state of dependence within those belief systems.
And do keep in mind it is strictly between and within those specific belief systems, and there may be tie-ins with other religions and philosophies and there may be evolutions and transformations of those thoughts in other cultures that are meant to encourage the individual to consider the actions before they apply the actions to physical expressions. This entire system, as it is traditionally utilized is an interpretation of the actual dynamics involved and those systems work very well within their own isolations.
There are even a variety of thoughts within the religious belief systems, often found in the Indian subcontinent. The Tibetans had their variations, even the Orientals and many cultures have their own variations. Even the ancient Christians, before their dogmas were instilled, also had their variations, something which is forgotten by the literal scholarly studies. But overall, the main premise is that the notions of past lives as is commonly distributed are interpretations of the larger concepts involved. And they too, stimulate and cause the individual to redefine some of their notions of lives, of life, of THEIR life, and the interactions of time and space. It is important to understand and appreciate some of those preliminary stages of understanding. Are there any questions at this point? Please feel free.
CATHY: Kris in terms of, let's say in the overall cultures on planet Earth now, in this focus that we call 21st century, do more, or like all of them, have some take or discipline like Karma? You know, what would you call it? Cause and effect.
KRIS: In their understandings, yes.
CATHY: So in one way or another, everybody is sort of into that kind of wave operating…
KRIS: In many respects. Even some of what you would determine to be ancient aboriginal cultures involved in the recognition of ancestries, often popularly called "ancestor worship," as a means to try and understand the progression and the specific eternity of individuality. So it is still a means to understand the process.
CATHY: It's definitely a means that works like a tool.
KRIS: Indeed and it has become accepted in many such cultures. There are and will continue to be evolutions of those concepts even as you may understand them today. These present understandings may give you a wider perspective and perhaps in the near future you will receive even wider perspectives. Does that answer your question?
CATHY: It does, yes. I've been sort of like playing with the idea, based on the old Seth material too, when he talked about what Karma is and what it isn't [and] that it's not a crime and punishment situation at all.
KRIS: Indeed, that is best left to television writers.
CATHY: Right.
MYRNA: Cathy what was the rest of your statement? Karma is not crime and punishment. It's best left to?
CATHY: Learning! It's set up as a learning process like commitments. Seth explains that we make contracts, commitments and appointments before we commit to a focus incarnation to fulfill our goals of learning.
KRIS: Indeed you do. As you create the physical universe, you also map out general goals or directions. You assign to yourselves a specific process. Some may define it as "destiny," however that is far too narrow a term, though there is a kind of pre-destination in a way, but not so that you have no more choices left, but to give you the maximum amount of choices possible. So when you create physical reality, you see it with the potential to experience it. You are not confined to the regular concepts of time and space.
You ALL PLAY with time and space, historical periods and so on, as children arrange and re-arrange their alphabet blocks to make words, some of which only make sense to the child, some of which ALSO make sense to the adults and some of which may be unrecognizable to either. You have the freedom and the liberty to play and re-arrange the manner of your experiences throughout time and space as befits your own specific goals. There are no targeted rules that say "You MUST have your 1845 experience BEFORE you have your 1945 experience OR your 2210 experience." You are not confined to those kinds of limitations, but once you express focuses within specific time ranges then you abide by the rules, so to speak, that govern that historical timeframe.
Fortunately for each and every one of you, you are not and never will be, cut off from the matrix of your own expressions, that central governing body, the government of your Being, your psyches [and] your Sources. THROUGH that Source, you can extrapolate meaning and value fulfillment from all of the various lives, whether 2210 comes before or after 1845. It is not confined to those kinds of categories of time. Does that make some sense?
CATHY: Oh, it makes perfect sense.
KRIS: Indeed. (Turning to Vera) Now, how are you understanding this?
VERA: (Partially inaudible, but Vera says that it is new to her in many respects)
KRIS: Indeed. We are aware of your introductions and WANTING to explore more on this topic, and we did mention firstly that you are not confined to a systematic experience in sequential orders, though you may have, as we briefly hinted at, some experiences with the musical master Beethoven, and it may appear to be in the past, from this time perspective, to the greater Source of your Being, it is not necessarily viewed as being a past life, but merely a display of fulfillment.
Consider, for all of you, that you go shopping in a beautiful jewelry store and all of the jewels are displayed for you to see. From your perspective, it does not matter whether a diamond was cut yesterday, last year, two thousand years ago. It exists in YOUR present experience. You may find that it is indeed a dazzling jewel, perhaps even much desired by you. And your interaction with that diamond today in this moment is meaningful irregardless of when the diamond was cut. Does that make sense to you?
(Yes)
It is your experiences in this moment that have value to you. You may also be interested in the history of the diamond, where it was found, perhaps who cut it, did it belong to royalty? Was it part of a queen's crown or her royal scepter? Was it stolen? Were lives lost, were the pirates found, was the treasure discovered, and so on and so forth. And this may add additional value to YOUR experience with the diamond now. Does that also make sense?
(Yes)
From our perspective, your various lives can be compared each to a precious jewel and your interactions with it in the now give it additional value to you, but it does not invalidate the jewel in the store, when and where it was cut, nor whether you choose to buy it or not. It still IS. And your own other lives are still absolutely valuable in and of themselves, whether you recognize them or not. They still add to your experience. Just as whether you BUY the diamond or not, it still ADDS to your experience. It might have brightened your day and made you feel like royalty indeed, simply to hold it for a moment, of course under the careful eye of the jeweler.
(Laughter)
MYRNA: May I, Kris?
KRIS: Indeed!
MYRNA: Would it be possible to find...in looking at past lives....is it possible for me to understand some of the stuff I keep presenting to myself that causes me angst by looking at past and future lives?
KRIS: There are often connections in this way, though we would caution assigning blame and judgment to a situation you would deem as originating in one of those other lives as if it was the fault of that other individual. Do you follow?
MYRNA: No, I hadn't even gone there. I haven't even looked into it. (Laughing) I wouldn't assign...I'm talking about understanding rather than blaming.
KRIS: Indeed. We are mentioning it because in the traditional views, often in the New Age communities particularly, there is a great demand for wanting to resolve specific issues in one's life and the challenges are often attributed and blamed on the circumstance that exists in a so-called past life. And in many respects, though there might appear to be a certain level of logical understanding, such as, "Of course! My problems are caused by my past life!" There is an inherent danger in that kind of understanding and assignment of judgment.
MYRNA: For me, what I have learned in these sessions is that I move units of consciousness around. And I move units of consciousness around obviously to understand belief systems, to understand myself more, to understand value creation, and whatever, so for me, understanding past lives is another piece of that puzzle that I may be continuing to present to myself to understand what eludes me.
KRIS: Indeed. And we believe this is a very worthwhile presentation because there can be what is referred to as "bleed-throughs": experiences that are not only valid for the other life, but also for your own. There can be deep resonances, similarities on a thread that perhaps many lives are working on.
So there may be many focuses, many Expressions of Essence that have a need to work through issues of religion, so many focuses may undertake the task of exploring the dynamics involved in religious systems, doctrines and dogmas, and trying to understand the issues established as religions can create the idea that the Divine is a THING that exists outside of Self, when the deepest aspects of your Being ALL UNDERSTAND that the Divine is not firstly a "thing," nor is it considered to be outside. So there is an apparent dichotomy that needs exploration and perhaps even resolving. So it can present a most fascinating thread of experiences.
MYNA: Are we going to explore that today?
KRIS: We believe that this will definitely be a possibility.
(Laughter)
MARK: (Humorously) Fifty percent chance of clouds....
CATHY: A definite maybe!
KRIS: Perhaps the statement itself appears somewhat noncommittal. However, if you think about the manner in which we just expressed this, you may also reflect that, though many of you have an interest in the topic, there is also a part of you that appears noncommittal to the core issue, for the simple fact that all of you to one degree or another at this point in time still maintain a desire to explore the idea that you create your own realities, but that perhaps there can be allowances for the occasional -- (Kris throws up his hands) "I have nothing to do with that!" (Group laughter) "Perhaps this one time, someone else can take responsibility for what is occurring!"
MYRNA: Not if you've been sitting in Kris sessions...sorry! (Laughing)
JOHN: That raises an interesting question, Kris, if I may just pop in.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: My understanding is that we do not create the realities of our other lives. In other words, we have no responsibility for the realities that are being created by our other focal aspects.
KRIS: Not you as an ego construction.
JOHN: Right.
KRIS: But as a Self you all share in the responsibilities because it is a joint journey. Even though it appears as if these other lives are separated, sometimes by great amounts of time and space, that is merely an illusion in the classic sense of the word. Since all of you, all of your lives, exist -- not in a vacuum - BUT indeed a powerful moment, in the present moment where you have all of your power, all of these other lives exist in that experience.
And they DO benefit from YOUR understandings, as you do with theirs. Consider this for one moment: You are very well aware that your bodies are composed of different cells, millions and millions of cells, correct?
JOHN: Yes.
KRIS: And cells take on different roles. Some become liver cells, some become brain cells, some become the cells that compose the epidermis, and so on and so forth. Overall they are all cells, but they are all assigned various functions, correct?
(Yes)
And they all function together as a unit. You do not have a sudden strike by liver cells that decide they are not going to work, or if they do it will be (inaudible) (Group laughter). All of the cells in your body function together to create wholeness, independently of what you think of your own body at times, which is fortunate for you! And you could even consider that each cell in your body, regardless of its assigned function, is complete in itself. From that one cell an entirely different body can be created, as your sciences of genetics can now demonstrate, correct?
(Yes)
So it can be said that each cell in your own body is an individual in its own right. It performs its functions. It expresses its experiences in conjunction with the overall performances of the body. And it can be also said that Essence, your Source, the matrix of your Being, is the body; and each of your other lives -- whether cast in the notion of times past, times present, times future -- are the cells of its body. And they each perform their experiences, extrapolate their wisdom and knowledge, and as a whole the body thrives, the Essence thrives, with or without all of these various expressions.
Just as you do not necessarily concern yourselves with the thousands of cells that die every day, fall off your bodies, only to be regenerated on a daily basis, literally you grow and have your being from the inside out. The old cells are pushed over the cliff, so to speak, so that new ones can maintain the apparent mass of your body until that time that you decide to end that process. Does this make some sense to you?
(Yes)
CATHY: Kris, when I went to that Tibetan Buddhist master a few weeks ago and he was teaching us the Qi Gong energy practices and so forth, one of the things he had us do was stand in the center of the spiral universe that we're a part of, and he essentially was saying that every cell in your body is in a resonance with every star in the universe. In other words, as above, so below; as outside, so inside, that we're all sort of just a reflection of everything in the universe -- our physical universe, stars and planets, suns.
So our little cells, he had us imagine our little cells actually as being little stars and so forth, and the energy we got from it was we had gotten to the ahhh wave of the universe, the rhythm of the universe, by doing these very simple practices and got us very focused into that total connectedness that you're talking about, but it was like the star-bursting regions of the galaxy were sort of like your little cell star-bursting regions of your own little physical universe body wise.
And it was sort of like this back and forth, very gently, but extremely powerful experience that this was for us of creation and re-creation and on and on and on into infinity and beyond that we can even define as this universe and all that stuff....and it was like incomprehensible, and at the same time, completely understandable, because it was at an experiential level of a kind of connecting up. Is that sort of... is that...
KRIS: We only suggest that not only are you a reflection of the universe, but the universe itself is simultaneously a reflection of you. And even beyond that. Both the universe and you as reflections of each other are themselves a reflection of your Source.
CATHY: That's both individual and -- and that's the way that we create, as Seth would say, "You create your universe." We create worlds, so our Earth life experience is in the process of being created...a creative dance, sort of, is that it? And we each individually contribute to it?
MYRNA: Cathy if I may?
CATHY: Yes.
MYRNA: I think what I'm hearing -- and let me check, as this is something that is really powerful -- is somehow I'm hearing, as it was expressed by you earlier, is only part of it. In other words, that makes it external. We are a part of something else, but what Kris --
CATHY: I didn't mean it to sound that way. It's completely coherent, there's no out and in. It's unifying experience: no out, no in. Just as is.
MYRNA: Right.
MARK: Similar to the Brahm Walk last night, where the trees have all different aspects of you....
KATHERINE: If you look at things under a microscope, they all look strikingly the same as from telescopes. Like the outer universe, the patterns and things -- they're almost identical to the inner so-called universe and --
CATHY: Yeah.
KATHERINE: As above, so below.
KRIS: Indeed, we are understanding.
CATHY: As within.
KRIS: As both understandings themselves are again reflections of something far greater yet. And to YOUR various other lives, whether you cast them in the past or an alternate present, or in future times, each of them may be presently engaged in some very deep dreams where they are aware of a number of individuals discussing this very topic, assisting each of them in expanding their understanding. How this will eventually come out in their life experiences may be something entirely different, but at those deep dream levels, we could say this day, this discussion, is being listened in on.
(Laughter)
KATHERINE: Inquiring minds want to know!
KRIS: Indeed, the ultimate reality television. And we did want to establish an understanding that regardless of the philosophies, everything occurs in the present moment, the experiences of the Now. Because, for instance, as you all come together here to access a mutual understanding, you simultaneously create a number of other living encounters in different circumstances, different times and space to explore the various relationships each of you has now in this moment, as a small group.
Many, many metaphysical, esoteric, New Age groups always have to ask -- otherwise it would not be a small metaphysical, New Age group! -- Always have to ask, "Kris, have we all been in Atlantis before? Have we all been here before? Have we all been there before?" And though we find it very endearing, they are not that far off the mark.
Though you do not need to necessarily all have been in Atlantis before as a sort of validation, but when groups such as yourselves, even individuals who are strangers to each other at the apparent physical level, the very idea of coming together generates a great variety of other lives, literally instantaneously to organize the dynamics of your personalities so that you have then, a broad, common base to share the experience of the moment.
And further to this, each life that is created generates its own various offshoots and experiences with each of you. Therefore, since there are eight of you, there would be eight times eight times eight times eight times eight times eight times eight various explosions of experiences generated from this encounter.
(Laughter)
But you do understand the principle?
(Yes)
JOHN: Just to confirm what you just said there, Kris -- and I'm going to paraphrase -- the eight people here, part and parcel with us coming together for this meeting here in this time and space, we also spin off in this Now eight times eight times eight times eight...all of the various relationships that will enrich this experience.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: And those could be whole lifetimes?
KRIS: As you would understand it. Though, to the psyche or the unconscious, or however you wish to put it, the notions of time are truly irrelevant and in some other areas perhaps the experiences would appear as flashes. But still, as there are eight of you, each individual creates eight various different experiences.
KATHERINE: Are those like our counterparts, or other portions of ourselves?
KRIS: You may define them as counterparts. All in all, however, they each have an enormous amount of validity and value to you. So you create all of the different varieties to establish a good psychological reference to each other. And you may have begun doing this in deep dream states. As you are aware, what to you may appear to be a dream experience that lasted merely minutes, that notion of mere minutes is your interpretation. You caught a quick glimpse into the depth of another experience which to it may last a lifetime, regardless of your notion of having lasted only a minute. Does that make sense?
JOHN: (Humorously) It doesn't make any sense at all!
(Riotous laughter)
KRIS: It is not a specific logical thing.
JOHN: But I grok it. I grok it.
KATHERINE: But we know all these things are just inherent in that moment, you know what I mean? We know it already.
CATHY: It's like being in the mainframe of the computer. We are all mainframes in any point, including all of our experiences, focuses, whatever. It's there whether we're cognizant of it, that's what we're learning to do, to access our multi-dimensional reality.
KRIS: And fortunately for you, no one is called "Hal." [The computer from "2001- A Space Odyssey."]
(Laughter)
Perhaps a small meditation can assist. You may need to close your window as it is sometimes noisier than you would like. (Mark gets up and closes the window behind Kris, shutting off a lot of the traffic noise in the street below.) Now then, what we suggest is that you find a comfortable sitting position.
Allow yourselves to breathe deeply....and as you continue the deep breathing, allow relaxation....literally relax the eyes, whether you keep them open or closed is irrelevant...relax the shoulders, the neck, the back...the hips, the legs, the arms, the hands, the feet...and stay focused upon the sound of our voice....and pretend for one brief time that....as you continue to be focused upon the sound of our voice....you are able to enter a large, beautifully adorned and decorated theatre....in this theatre there may be as many seats, or as little number of seats as you wish.
And look towards the big screen....and allow the lights in the theatre to dim as a movie is projected onto the screen....as the screen becomes lit up, you see the title of the movie: "One Of My Other Lives".....and what you feel is important is what will be projected onto the screen.....reach for a historical timeframe....whether in the distant past, in the recent past....and let those feelings and impressions create the images that will appear before you on the screen.....(long pause)...and once the images begin to flow, observe....let the film have a life of its own...and pay attention to what is displayed on the screen.
Take notice of the apparent historical timeframe. Are you male or female? Child, teenager, adult, elderly....what role do you play in your family?......What does the home look like?.....And as you begin to focus upon some small details, you may discover that the movie screen has many magical properties...one of which is that you can step into the main character in this movie....you may acquire a feel for the individual....what kind of thoughts does he or she entertain?....how does he or she feel about certain things, or events, or circumstances?.....How does their mind and feelings work for them?.....What does he or she consider important in their life?....Are there religious or political thoughts and affiliations?
And as you continue to share with this individual, you may even be able to acquire a grasp of their worldview....try and understand their unique challenges and experiences.....(long pause).....And recognize that just as you may gain from their creations and interactions, it is definite that YOUR observing presence in their consciousness will likely also be an imprint that maybe enables them to think about ideas and concepts they may never have noticed before....
And gradually step out of the character and the screen....return to the seat you may have had in the theatre....take a walk out of the theatre again....and take a deep breath....on the count of three you will open your eyes...one, you may wiggle your fingers and toes...take another deep breath and exhale...two, move your wrists, arms, legs...and three, you are fully focused again in this room, your eyes opened, and you are relaxed.
And take a small break.
MARK: 11:30.
(Kris returns at 11:48 AM.)
KRIS: Now then, perhaps you would all like to share your meditation experience. Who would like to go first?
JOHN: I'm happy to do that, Kris. When the movie started, I was on a train station and you could tell it was one of those wonderful old-fashioned train stations, a Victorian sort of British train station, there were people there, and I wasn't exactly sure who I was, but I kept focusing in later on a woman sitting by a little stove, having a cup of tea. And I began to think, "Okay, that's probably me." Then I drifted into the woman, and I became her and I got a feeling for her worldview. She was very interested in a certain kind of Christianity, no interest in politics, fascinated and amazed by children and family, that was the deal, and extremely clean, meticulously clean, and....
KRIS: Did she have as many knick-knacks as you?
(Group cracks up)
JOHN: Yeah, the place was built up in that way, although I wasn't focusing on that. I began to understand a little bit about her life. She was an older woman but still active. Her feet hurt chronically, but she loved the simple pleasures of having a cup of tea and going off to bed and thinking happy thoughts about the young master who was....she was a nanny....and towards the end, where we were getting ready to say goodbye, and I realized that my being there...I would leave something with her and I would take something with me....what I understood was the great passion and joy I have for sitting and having a quiet cup of tea. For me, in this focus, that is really a precious moment. And I realized, with tears in my eyes, that this was part of the exchange.
KRIS: Indeed. This individual is extremely giving and thrives upon providing kindness. That is an important experience for her and for many others in that thread of focuses.
JOHN: And family was very important to her.
MYRNA: Kindness.
JOHN: Kindness.
MYRNA: That's a thread.
JOHN: Uh-huh.
KRIS: She does not have children of her own. She has raised many other people's children which to her is more than fulfillment. As to the religious aspect, you are also correct. She believes strongly that though she contemplates the religions of her time, she has had experiences that are not explainable by the religious philosophies she grew up with, but she has participated in the good old-fashioned séances.
JOHN: Ah!
(Exclamations and chuckling)
MYRNA: Another thread.
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Wonderful! Well, it was great to make her acquaintance -- or re-acquaintance.
KRIS: In many respects, though you may not specifically remember any of this, it is YOUR work and connections with Sohars that, in some small way, triggered her curiosity and interest in the classical British spiritualism movement.
JOHN: Ah!
KRIS: She has experiences in dreams and thoughts and moments in waking life that could not be explained in the traditional theologies but she found some meaning with spiritualist teachings and these are being influenced from your own work.
JOHN: That's thrilling to know. Thank you.
KRIS: So you see in some small ways, it is not always influences from the so-called past life that exert an influence into the present life, but there are interchangeabilities. Would anyone else care to share?
CATHY: Okay, I'll go. I found myself seeing myself about 18, a man in Spain, around the 15th or 16th century, and I sort of like merged in with him and got a peg of what his life is about. He was a painter, and he was painting, but that wasn't like on the surface, it wasn't just about painting at all, he was much more of a political activist during the time of the Inquisition. The impression I got was that the paintings that he was well known for -- what do you call it -- commissioned for -- but paintings were used during that time with many people as a means of communication because it would camouflage the information that they would put underneath the oils.
So they had information circulating around in a time when it was considered forbidden and you would likely be tortured or killed for it. That maintained a certain standard....an ancient tradition of secret doctrines and the like. I got the impression of North Africa and from Asia Minor. I asked him, felt around and said, "Is your name Segova by any chance?" (Laughter) just in case this was, you know....but it wasn't. It was more like Miguel or something like that. But it was like, yes, a definite connection there and I feel that the entity was Segova.
And on the surface, people would think he was an artist, and he was Jewish, but he was sort of a closeted Jew, which everybody was, they could get burned for it and so forth...so that time would have been right. On the surface everyone was Catholic, so he kept it very hidden. He also kept his ancient tradition of knowledge and wisdom and all that stuff going on too, as did a group of other people, but it wasn't just a religious thing, it was literally a political action that was running counter to what was going on in that area of the world at that time in some of the regions. So that's what I got and it felt really great.
(Laughter and some comments, mostly inaudible.)
Was that an active life, an active focus, Kris?
KRIS: We believe that you do not need to ask that.
CATHY: Yeah, I know, but it sort of follows me throughout life, that we really are --
KRIS: Now, this individual and the details you acquired about the coding inside the paintings is accurate. Many artists for many ages have done this. Specific symbols painted in specific areas of the paintings have significances. Many great artists were members of secret societies and they would communicate information. Now there is no need to dramatize it in the same sense of "The Da Vinci Code," as many symbols in paintings would be completely irrelevant to people outside of their societies. Very often as well, there were details actually worked into the canvas before it was painted.
CATHY: That was what this indicates -- sort of like the paint covering up the actual messages.
KRIS: Indeed.....This individual is very creative....very....almost forceful of will and temperament, but at the same time also wishes to be known as an intelligent and kind, learned man. He does have a passion, a weakness if you desire, for pretty young women.
(Group chuckles)
CATHY: So he has a good time.
KRIS: Indeed.
CATHY: Good! Yeah, it didn't feel like he was a family man, per se.
KRIS: Not his style. His family is his art. And as you mentioned it was even very popular in those days of the Inquisition to actually belong to two faiths, even more if need be. To the outside world, and to the Inquisition, you were Catholic. Behind closed doors, with only members of your family and sometimes others, you were Jewish.
There have been many waves of persecution of Jews throughout Europe and some of those were also carried out by the Inquisitors. Many people also had homes with split roofs where they could study the works and the writings of their own original religion. There was always great and imminent danger of discovery. One had to be doubly careful as to what was left out in the house. So it was indeed precarious times, times of treachery, in those days. This man was very clever. What else did you pick up?
CATHY: I pretty much focused on his art perspective and the paintings that he was doing and the underlying function of the paintings being a communication of other information. That's what I was getting in sort of a multi-tiered way. And this man's personality was, as you say, very powerful. And he was a real playboy. Very strong, world-wise and had a very deep inner connection with some very ancient traditional stuff that I really couldn't identify....some standard Jewish whatever, but it was towards North Africa, Asia Minor and --
KRIS: It was tied in with alchemy.
CATHY: Yes, definitely. Yeah, that's right. If I had to give it a title, it wouldn't be artist, it would be alchemist.
KRIS: Did you also get a feel, or acquire a feel, for the passion and the love OF creating his art?
CATHY: Yes, oh yeah, he was a total [fiery] Spanish soul.
KRIS: Indeed, he was very passionate and almost consumed by the creative force when it struck.
CATHY: Right, yeah. It was always like a very present force. It was like being inside a....driven artist.
KRIS: Indeed. Now, in your present life, in retrospect with this particular insight, you might be able to recognize some of your strong drives and passions.
CATHY: Yeah, well I'm involved with the Bon children's art book now --
KRIS: And especially the drive simply for the expression of love.
CATHY: Absolutely. This will be very helpful for the project.
KRIS: Indeed. Who else would like to share?
KATHERINE: I would. I...when the dream first appeared, I was getting three very different things all happening at once. One involved being on a Nordic ship, cold water, falling or being pushed or something in the ocean and drowning. It was painless, really, but another one had to do with a Victorian woman dressed in velvet, all in velvet, being again on a ship, at my husband's bedside. He was dying of consumption and the third one was to do with being in -- I don't know if it was Salem or the witch trials, or Quakers, something like that -- being dressed up and poised in court proceedings and I decided to focus on that one the most, when I was trying to choose.
In that one, the thing that really struck me about that is that even though I was someone who was just standing there stone-faced, the accused who were on trial and whose lives were in danger, were just like me. Like I knew that the greater part of myself was just like them, but I had this face on for everyone else in the courtroom.
And at one point there was this little interplay where people were sort of looking over, and someone looked at me and I just sort of looked over into space like....aloof about it and it really caused a lot of bad things to happen to those poor accused after that. Like I was sort of realizing that, even though I was sort of a rather insignificant person in the courtroom, just the attitude and just the demeanor and just the way I was going along with everything....it wasn't a very nice portion of myself.
MARK: Do you think you were the accuser?
KATHERINE: No, I don't. I think I was just one of a group, like...there was this group mentality...here we'd brought the accused, they were on trial, their life was at stake....we were going to torture them...meanwhile every one of us were witches back at home, but in this courtroom we were all sort of...or I was pretending like..."I'm not," you know....I was distancing myself from them, and I wasn't like a judge or a lawyer, or anyone who had any real influence into the thing, but I realized that just that one looking away caused like....it had a lot of influence over the whole thing, just that attitude and going along with it all.
KRIS: Interesting interpretation. And in some respects, very accurate, though we would suggest that instead of being accused of witchery, you were a Protestant, being burned by Catholics in England, not dissimilar to the way the Inquisition burnt women as witches simply for the fact that your beliefs were different.
KATHERINE: But I wasn't the accused person.
KRIS: There was an accused there that was also you...you situated yourself in observance because those memories are extremely intense. The accused to be burned were often not allowed to die so that they could suffer the flesh being burnt and fall off their bodies. In another life, shortly after this one, you experienced something similar, but at the other end of the scale. A Catholic tortured and killed by Protestants. Similar coin, different currency. Both of those experiences left a deep impression in your psyche concerning orthodox religious bodies, and though you are very spiritual, your interest in organized religions is minimal.
KATHERINE: That's right.
KRIS: And that stems from those two experiences. As experiments they were indeed very potent and powerful. They also altered your affiliation with beliefs in religious organizations. This had a profound impact - traumatic, but profound -- in the whole of your Being.
KATHERINE: Yes.
KRIS: Now you still have some focuses that are compensating and are themselves involved in religious organizations but in a very secluded and reclusive manner and these are the balancing elements for beliefs in religious systems. You can still acquire a great deal of strength because those two individuals who perished were very proud of their -- not beliefs -- but their own accomplishments that very particularly choose to not hold anything against their aggressors. So even though it may appear that in those lifetimes you were the recipient of monstrous atrocity, you held nothing against those who perpetrated the atrocities. Do you understand?
KATHERINE: Yes, but...maybe at that time, but in this life --
KRIS: That is another issue.
KATHERINE: The way I acted....that was bad of me...to behave that way. So complicit and --
KRIS: Look at their own viewpoints, that even at the height of such suffering, they chose to not hold anything against their aggressors. They would not judge. And that might be something for you to ponder.
KATHERINE: You mean being non-judgmental? Uh-oh, am I a judgmental person?
MYRNA: No, I don't think he's saying that. It's the other way.
KATHERINE: Oh, it's the other way! Okay, good! (Group laughter) Well, that's good! People accuse me of that all the time.
MYRNA: Of being NON-judgmental?
KATHERINE: Yeah!
MYRNA: They ACCUSE you of that?
KATHERINE: Yes!
MYRNA: Well, there you go.
ELLEN: They accuse you in the sense of being wishy-washy, you mean?
KATHERINE: Yes! Like, I'm not....you know...
ELLEN: They say, "Make a stand, take a position!" Right?
KATHERINE: Yeah, that's what they want me to do, and I'm like, "how can I?" It's their life! I'm not going to crawl in their skin and live it for them. Everything is fine the way it is! (Laughs) Maybe I'm in denial, I don't know.
KRIS: There are deep lessons indeed to be learned from those perspectives.
KATHERINE: How? What?
KRIS: That is something you may have to ponder.
KATHERINE: Okay.
KRIS: (To Vera) Now, what about YOUR experiences?
VERA: (Inaudible)
KRIS: Indeed, feel free to discuss.
VERA: (inaudible)
KRIS: And what was your impression?
VERA: (Inaudible. I can remember only that Vera had some brief, fleeting impressions of being a grand and very powerful "queen-like" lady in a beautiful dress, European. Vera is a lovely young Russian woman, and English is her second language. She didn't have the experience or background the rest of us in the room had with metaphysics and channeled materials, but considering those handicaps, she did very well at the workshop, remaining very attentive and alert throughout. Kris made special efforts all afternoon to see that she understood and could follow along.)
KRIS: Repeat the very beginning of this.
MARK: (Prompting) What can you tell us about the woman, the queen? Can you give us more detail? The country....was it perhaps France, Spain, England, Russia?
VERA: I just remember grand lady, in...(She tries to describe the material).
KATHERINE: Velvets?
VERA: (Nods)
MARK: Velvet.
KATHERINE: How did she look? Was she dark-haired?
VERA: (Nods) With white skin. There was no action, I was just observing.
KRIS: Indeed. This is still very new to you. Now the individual that you caught a glimpse of -- that you perceived -- was indeed surrounded by opulence, but we believe not necessarily a queen as such, BUT a Medici. ALMOST as good as a queen!
(Laughter)
MARK: The Italian Medici family.
MYRNA: Florence. They owned Florence.
JOHN: And Venice?
ELLEN: They were very powerful.
MARK: Very rich, powerful Italian family.
KRIS: Extremely affluent, many of their children married into royalty all over Europe. Merchants of the highest caliber having commerce even into the Americas. Very politically aggressive family as well, that in their own ways were regarded as royalty. Does that make some sense to you?
VERA: Yes.
KRIS: Much political intrigue. A great deal of money, political intrigues, murders, the classic displays of the best soap operas of their time. You may even do a search on the internet of the Medici family and you might feel a deep affiliation for their history. We do suggest you look it up in historical books. You might find indeed that this is an area of interest to you. Do you follow?
VERA: Yes.
KRIS: Even though many of the males in the Medici family appeared to have lots of power, it was mostly the women who were strongest and who often shored up their husband's tomfooleries.
(Laughter)
Often covered up their affairs, either paid off or killed their husbands' mistresses and their bastard offspring.
VERA: They were very rich?
KRIS: Very rich. You must understand that the Medicis were one of Europe's most powerful families. So they had many images to live up to, and if that meant eliminating the competition, then so be it. Read up on their history and you might find it extremely fascinating, that one line of a family could have accomplished and done so much and yet had been embroiled in so many small, and not so small, wars at the same time, which was very common in that period.
This connection that you have is also very helpful to you. It may not appear so to a great degree, but you have an ability to be extremely focused and mindful at the same time. Do you understand what that means? You can be very concentrated on a particular project of interest to you, but you are able to balance this still with love and caring for friends and family. Do you understand?
VERA: I haven't been concentrating enough?
KRIS: We are saying that you have an enormous ability to concentrate, but not to the exclusion of those that you love around you. You still are able to care for others. You do not push them away because you are interested in a project. So it is a careful balancing act. We believe that also you are able to have a fairly even emotional platform. You may express emotion, but you do not do so at the expense of others. You still respect others, correct? That is a very fine quality. (Pause) Now who would like to share more?
ELLEN: I guess it's my turn. I tapped into a focus that I've touched on before just briefly. I saw myself as a young Native American girl. I think it was early 1800's around the area of Utah. I saw myself riding horseback. I believe I collected herbs for medicine, I believe I was possibly an apprentice or something....I saw myself in a teepee, just briefly flashed on that, perhaps administering or helping to administer to someone who was ill. That went along okay and then I flashed....and this I had flashed on before when I'd touched on this focus....being in a stockade with my people, I think, rounded up by white cavalry.
And at this point I was almost....I was resisting, resisting...and I remembered Brahm talking about this on the Walk last night, about my resistance. And then I flashed on the escalator yesterday (Laughing and looking over at Cathy) and carrying my bags, so I totally was trying, you know, to get away from it.
And then, the only thing I....I know that somehow my people....I think most of my people were massacred, but I was not. And I have the distinct feeling I was in some relationship with....perhaps one individual, one of the white men individuals, or a family, or something. I wasn't real clear on it, but I know there was a point where I became....somewhat confused, because I was beginning to see a commonality -- maybe I was falling in love, I don't know if that was part of it or not -- but I was reaching understanding and....and appreciation for the commonality among our people, although I was conflicted by the brutality and the possibility of the trouble between our people....and the whole business this past week with Newworldview was continually....I was flashing back on that.
KRIS: (Pause) You were indeed an apprentice. Your grandmother was your teacher. She was also the clan elder, wise woman. You had already a great deal of learning by that time, and because of the respect that other members of the group offered you, and your own value as literally the village shamaness, your life was spared. (Pause) It was not an overly pleasant period of time simply because of many of the challenges of Native groups being forced to evacuate or be killed if they did not.
There is an understanding in almost every native, aboriginal society that even though many were brought near the brink of extinction, there is still the deeply embedded belief that life always comes in complete circles, where their culture will once again be pre-eminent. And their culture may very well, in a potential future, may very well be what saves the remnants of a fractured and war-torn North American society. We said potential, not necessarily what will unfold in YOUR reality.
So your perceptions traveled more than one reality and more than one timeframe. This is why you flickered back and forth into different areas, not knowing quite how to interpret some of the underlying feeling-tones arising from it. And at the same time, you still offered yourself some resistances. That is understandable and there is no reason why you should berate yourself for it in any way, shape, or form. Do you follow?
ELLEN: Yes.
KRIS: There is a deep well of wisdom even within your Essence that may be utilized by other focuses even in other probabilities and as in this one where there is a fractured North American remnants of a culture that will literally require the wisdom of Native aboriginal people who survive, which may change the entire face of North America, reviving both ancient and deeply rooted aboriginal cultures, but with elements of survival and technology. Do you follow?
ELLEN: Yes.
KRIS: And even today you recognize your ability to tap deep into that well of wisdom and bring up what you have need of. So in many ways, it is quite fine to dance with different ideas, correct?
ELLEN: I believe so, yes.
MARK: Next?
ELLEN: (To Mark) I think that's you.
MARK: Oh, okay. I got a little bit ahead of you, and of course, once I got into this beautiful theatre, I sat down immediately and the play began, and then you made it a movie screen and I tried to do that, and that didn't work so I thought, "Nah, I'm going to go with the play," and that was fine, and before you gave us the title, I had already had a production onstage (Laughs), but I found at first it was all my many focuses presenting to me.
There was ancient China, soldiers in front of buildings on horses, there were ceremonial, tribal Indians on horses as well, advancing. There were Africans doing ceremonial dance. So then, once you gave us the title I tried to go back a step and focus on one, but I found a lot of my focuses wanted attention (Laughs), but I settled in for the most part in Africa, and I've come across this little boy before, he's always a very happy individual, always has a smile, I believe his name is Ganji.
But then he grew up, he started to go into his teens and probably into his early twenties and there was a lot of tribal dance, and even though it was sometimes involved around possibly hunting, I find that this individual was very keen on learning, a very joyous individual, very spiritual individual and his intrigue is probably his biggest asset. And when I stepped into that movie or that drama, we touched, we smiled, we knew each other, and I began to dance with him and the tribe in a circle. I believe this individual may, I'm not sure if he is still alive, he may be a tribal elder or shaman. He may have gotten to that and he may not be alive at this time, I'm not sure of the timeframe.
KRIS: (Long pause) Do you have an inkling of the general geographical area?
MARK: Africa, north, probably part of the ice cream cone, not the cone, but the ice cream (Chuckling), upper left. Not Egypt but...maybe even the Savannahs....I can see trees but not forests...grasslands. They're not wearing a lot in the way of clothing, so it's a warm climate, barefoot...
KRIS: You are seeing two different focuses. The primary one in this case is the young man. This is further in South Africa. We believe that you perished in the Boer War. The very enthusiastic individual.....for an apparent short life it was impacted with a great deal of experience, and because of the childlike perspective, this has assisted other focuses, though they may sometimes feel overwhelmed with their situations, there will always be a flash of hope, of inspiration that comes their way from that focus. Do you follow?
MARK: Yes, I think that's why he's familiar to me -- that smiling face and big bright eyes.
KRIS: Now it must also be understood that even though these are all classified under the specifics of a past life as it occurred perhaps several hundreds, several thousands, or merely a few decades ago, these lives are not in any way, shape, or form, vanished. They still exist in the spacious moment, the eternal now. There is no differentiation between past, present, and future in your terms since they all occur in the present. Does that make sense to you?
MARK: Yes, it does. He is very much as aware of me as I am of him.
KRIS: And that is why you may access him. All of these lives have communications, exchanges, whether in the dream states, through inspiration, intuition, you are all very, very well connected, just as the cells in your small toe is undeniably connected to your cells in your earlobe, even though in completely different parts of the body. Does that make some sense?
MARK: Yes.
KRIS: Now, who is left?
MYRNA: I am. I'm aware of two things. One is my stomach -- I'm sorry for anyone who's been around me -- I'm not used to this, it's rumbling like crazy!
ELLEN: (I'm sitting next to Myrna on the sofa) Well, I never heard anything, so you revealed yourself for nothing!
(Laughter)
MYRNA: I'm also worried if I listen --
ELLEN: What you have to do is say (patting my own stomach): "Patience, my pet."
(Laughter)
MYRNA: Well, I wonder what I'm saying to myself there!
(Laughter)
The other piece is, I listened to all of you and made notes, I understand why we're all together here (Laughing) because I can hear resonance in terms of some threads of my life in all, particularly here -- huge resonance. My life that appeared to me was David Beckham. On the screen came this white....and the World Cup is on right now, and all the British fans are in white....well, maybe that's something else, doesn't matter....but, anyway, David Beckham...he's a world-renowned soccer player.
MARK: (Humorously) You're hot!
(Group laughter. Beckham is very good-looking.)
MYRNA: What I was aware of, interestingly enough, is that he is a world celebrity, but as I made connection with him, it's not something he operates under. He's very happy to walk two dogs, two little Scottish terriers, a grey and a black. I know nothing of dogs. What I was aware of is that he wants to present the world with an ability to be in the delicious present: the dogs, the food he eats, the sidewalks he walks on, the grass, the shrubs in London, are very much a part of him. And that's what I take away the most, is his ability to be in the present moment.
KRIS: That is indeed a very astute observation on your part. Though he is prosperous, and may like to utilize his prosperity, there is at the same time still what you would call an old-fashioned individual. He is still a down to earth person. Correct?
MYRNA: Yes. As I experienced him, yes.
KRIS: Indeed. In other words he is very well-grounded and not disconnected from human life because of his success. And another thing that you quite likely have already perceived but you may not have brought to your attention is that from his perspective it is perhaps irrelevant whether one is rich and successful, or a simple person, there is still a great deal of joy to be had in life, simply by being yourself. Do you understand?
MYRNA: Oh, deeply.
KRIS: And that is something that you are working on as well.
MYRNA: Yes.
KRIS: Now, what is the time?
MARK: 12:42.
KRIS: Indeed. Then we suggest that you take care of the rumblings in your tummy (Group laughter) and that you enjoy your lunch break, then we will continue this afternoon (turning towards John) working with one of your well-liked subjects: The nodi.
KATHERINE: The nodi?
KRIS: (To all) Perhaps you can explain while you munch and eat.
(Lunch break at 12:42 PM. Return at 2:16 PM)
KRIS: Now before we explore more of the nodi with you, we wish to hold a brief discussion (turning to John) about your dream.
JOHN: My dream?
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: Oh, good. Wonderful. The dog dream? (During lunch break John had mentioned a recent and powerful dream that he had put online on the Inner Visions Journal, that up to that point I had not had the chance to read in depth.)
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: (Face lighting up in delight) Oh, goodie!
(Laughter)
ELLEN: Would you mind....I didn't get a chance to read it through on the forum.
JOHN: [You need] a recap?
(Others agree)
KRIS: Summarize.
ELLEN: Yeah.
JOHN: In this dream I had....now it may be good to mention that I used the technique that Kris...no, Brahm gave us, pulling the....ah...
MARK: Was it the Aaronii?
JOHN: It was the creative healing....Brahm...no, Kris...anyway, the idea was that I did an exercise where I pulled the dream atmosphere towards me and then, holding the dream atmosphere, which is subjective awareness, I brought up the imagery of difficult times in my life. And then, I....what did I do then? I'm drawing a blank there...but anyway, the idea is, within a dream atmosphere --
KRIS: Do you wish to go online and read your dream?
(Laughter)
JOHN: That won't be necessary! In the dream, I was with some people and they helped me to....there was a big, black dog on a couch and they helped me to understand that I could enter the dog and go into a different place. So I said, "Well, how do you do that?" And they said, "Wait for it to open a port." So I watched, and the dog somehow turned into...somehow it moved and opened, and then the people who were helping me said, "Where does it bloom? See where it blooms."
So I stuck my head inside the dog and I could see all kinds of comic strips. Many, many comic strips, each one featuring me as the hero of the comic strip. Anyway, then I dived into the dog, and came out seemingly into the ceiling of a laundry room and into a completely different place. And the people threw my shoes and glasses in after me....Oh, before I dived into the dog, I had to take off all my clothes, and I was a bit shy about flashing the people with my bare butt, so I turned the couch -- (the group begins to snicker) -- so I could dive into the dog without flashing everybody in the room and that seemed to work out fine.
ELLEN: (Laughing) And all you got thrown back to you were your shoes and glasses?
JOHN: Yeah!
(Everyone cracks up)
JOHN: So I came up and I woke up and I just felt fabulous! Just thrilled to have had this experience. It was a really thrilling experience. Is that enough?
KRIS: More than enough, and you were so kind.
JOHN: (Chuckling) Yeah!
MYRNA: Kind?
JOHN: Not to flash people.
(Laughter)
KRIS: These things DO have to be noted!
(Laughter)
KRIS: The dream contains many elements and also an interpretation of remembrances of another focus, and this is most interesting and you may benefit by exploring what is known about or concerning the Dogon people.
JOHN: The "doggone" people....
ELLEN: (Bursts out laughing) Oh my god!!! Ha, ha, ha, ha! Oh, that took me a second! The Dogon.
(Several others make the connection: the Dogon people, a tribe in Africa)
KRIS: It does contain the word "dog."
ELLEN: Yeah, it's a pun.
KRIS: But also, because the Dogon people have known about three stars orbiting what is known as Sirius, the Dog Star. Science has identified two of them. The Dogon people have known about this upwards of five thousand years and they only recently have access to some degree of modern technologies. How is this possible? How do they know of these things?
(Someone asks who the Dogon people are)
ELLEN: They... they live in Africa, right?
KRIS: Indeed.
JOHN: I've heard of them.
ELLEN: They're a tribe in Africa.
KRIS: They are the descendants of the original builders of pyramids. That original culture was very spread out at a time when the Nile Delta was slightly different and very fertile. (To John) And you were one of these people. That knowledge is buried deep in your own subjective awareness, and the dream was an attempt to communicate some of that deep knowledge to further expand the boundaries of your cognitive awareness.
JOHN: It worked.
KRIS: Indeed. It is why the symbol of the dog was so prominent, and there were those who were helping you to understand it - other individuals with that knowledge still. The idea that you peeked into the dog and saw the comic strips may very well represent geometric communications that would be nearly impossible otherwise to communicate it to you.
JOHN: Ohh..
KRIS: This focus is very learned in something very different from modern sciences. You can imagine easily, for a people that have knowledge of astronomical phenomenon that only within this lifetime has been confirmed, and yet they are sometimes considered a stone-age people, is demanding of answers. Do you not think?
JOHN: I think so. So they had another way of accessing this information?
KRIS: Indeed. And the imagery in the dream of passing through the dog represents their basic ideas that the Sirius star system was another place where humanoid forms are also to be found. We have described before that an exodus of human beings traveled to those systems a very long time ago, and some have come back to rekindle that ancient knowledge which the Dogon now possess. They now have lost much of it, but they still retain the core that is sufficient to trigger out-of-bodies and lucid experiences to access that ancient wisdom.
JOHN: So that's even better than I thought!
MARK: This ties in with the Anunnaki, right?
KRIS: Indeed.
ELLEN: Is Sirius part of the Pleiades, too?
KRIS: (Pause) We are not specifically familiar...but you can determine that for yourselves.
ELLEN: Okay.
KRIS: We believe that the Dog Star Sirius may be part of Orion's Belt, but you may have to determine that in more detail.
ELLEN: All right.
KRIS: But it is also closely aligned with the foundational pyramid at Giza.
ELLEN: I think I remember reading about that too.
KATHERINE: Why was there an exodus?
KRIS: You would have to read the transcripts!
(Laughter)
KATHERINE: I'm not familiar with any of this, I'm sorry. But the information is already available?
KRIS: That is correct. We wish to mention this to show you that a dream may have many, many different layers. This is definitely one of them.
JOHN: Wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to mention that.
KRIS: Indeed. Now, who is ready for some good nodi soup?!
(Group chuckles)
KATHERINE: Better than quantum soup, eh?
KRIS: What we have described previously is that your perceptions indicate to you that between one body and another or one body and any other form, there is likely a distance. That is only what your eyes perceive because the cones and the rods in your eyes are not attuned to perceiving anything else, but there are wavelengths and frequencies of energies that definitely exist, because everything is energy, everywhere.
Your forms exist as such as the result of unique wave frequencies of light, so to speak, or at least even the source of light, bent in a specific manner that is identifiable by the mechanisms of your eyesight. It is not yet possible in your genetic evolution to transform that, BUT that is only at the physical level. You have other means of perceptions. You can easily detect energy patterns, such as the emotions of other individuals, correct?
(Yes)
Even if sometimes they do not ever say anything, you can still tell where they are at. So this is one of the methods that you have to determine the energy in the environment. The space between your body and another, or another form, is filled with energy patterns. You are therefore surrounded by energy. We refer to them as nodi. Multiple nodes, all of which contain incredible amounts of information. You can imagine an invisible lymphatic system with nodes. Does that make sense to you?
(Yes)
And it extends outside of the periphery of your body because it also exists inside. You are then, superimposed upon these energy patterns. It is possible to turn your attention towards these nodi as they will be detectable as if they are physical, but non-visible.
ELLEN: By feeling.
KRIS: Indeed. (Pause) Imagine for a moment the big clouds in the sky. There are right now, towering clouds, cloud formations, and in these large cloud bodies smaller clouds are absorbed, re-absorbed, and constitute the forms of these large clouds. Now these large clouds are composed of vapor droplets. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
And vapor or water droplets are filled with particles. They could be dirt particles or other things. So you can yourselves imagine that you are cloud formations, and that your body is composed of droplets and they are filled with particles. And these are in continuous motion. It is in and around you and you may be able to detect the flow of these droplets, particles, as it composes and surrounds your human form....Does this give you a small idea?
(Yes)
KATHERINE: Are the particles each, or the nodes....do they have specific types of information that differ from each other, or are they all sort of like a replica....like each contains everything?
KRIS: Each nodi MAY be particular to a type of information, but we will discuss this as we go along.
KATHERINE: Okay.
KRIS: So we would suggest then, if you can sit comfortably....(Kris pauses as everyone re-arranges their sitting positions. To Vera) Are you following this?
VERA: (Nodding)
KRIS: Sit comfortably in a relaxed manner.....taking a deep breath, sense the rhythmic pulse of your heartbeat as it reverberates through your blood...your veins...your bones.....everywhere.
And as you continue breathing, imagine that your bodies are surrounded by small or medium-sized bubble-like shapes.....each connected to the other....by threads....creating a vast network all around you.....in the back....on the right side....in the front...on the left side...on the bottom...on the top...even inside.
A large network of interconnecting pockets of potentiality....information, knowledge, wisdom of many different kinds....stored in these very many different pockets.....(long pause)....Become familiar with their shape, size....do they have color or colors?......and become familiar with their average location approximately to you.....even within you....and acquire a general feel for the tone of these energy pockets around you....and as you become familiar with them.....ask that one nodi that contains a very pleasant memory.....within the last year....make itself known to you....whether it shines...flashes...throbs....find a way to identify that one.
And when you do, bring it before you, before your eyes....as if you are able to move these pockets of potentiality.....and when it is squarely before you, containing that lovely experience....look towards the bottom of the nodi, or somewhere around it....for a thread that needs to be connected somewhere....and when you have the thread in hand, connect it directly to your body...whether it is to the heart...to the head...or to the hand....and allow that lovely energy to share itself with you.
And once that lovely energy is downloaded into you...thank the nodi, the pocket of potentiality....and allow it to return to its original place or position....to reconnect with the system.....and gently open your eyes, coming back fully to this room......How do you all fare?
(Comments of "Good" and "Great.")
MARK: Some very nice memories.
(Many agreements)
KRIS: Now perhaps with this you will get far more than you bargained for.
ELLEN: (Jokingly) NOW you tell us!
(Laughter)
KRIS: You may trust that it will be to your advantage and benefit. What we are going to suggest now is that in a moment you will, on your own, return to that nice inner space and ask that one nodi that contains valuable information from another one of your focuses make itself known and bring IT before you to examine, and if you find the overall gist of the experience reconstructed for you, connect and download it. Does that make sense to you?
(Yes)
JOHN: Oh, neat!
KRIS: Indeed. And pay attention to WHERE the nodi reveals itself to be. Is it on the side, behind, above, in front, the other side, below. Each individual's system of sorting MAY be similar, but slightly different as well. Does this make sense?
(Yes)
KRIS: (To Vera) Do you follow?
VERA: Yes.
KRIS: Indeed. Then please feel free to proceed. Put on your lovely nodi minds. Breathe nicely and deeply....ask for the information within the network of the energy pockets, nodi....notice where it is situated in the network....pull it towards you and in front of you...and examine it.
(Long pause)
And after a moment allow the nodi to return to its original position.....take a deep breath...open your eyes, come back to the room.....and who would be so brave as to share their experience?
CATHY: I'll go. Kris, when you said to focus upon a pleasant memory within the past year, the nodi was so clear, apparent right in front of me: it was from my experience in India back in the Fall, and I saw a hologram of the whole experience, no particular day or moment or anything, it was like being in a hologram of the whole experience of India. It was extremely pleasant and expanding and enlightening.
I could feel everything in the physical environment, the emotional environment, and it was terrific, and when you said hook it up with a string and put it where ever you would intuitively want to put it, I put it right into my heart chakra and the energy expanded and it became like, the next level of total awareness of what, you know, an experience like that is all about, and what it means, how valuable it is, and how inspiring and all that.
And in the second nodi one, in my visual perception, I saw it right in front of me, and I was shooting for my lama doctor, you know the one...that experience I had with that particular focus, teacher, whatever....and I was just assuming that it would be right in front of me, but it wasn't, it was back and up over here (gestures to the upper side of the back of the head) almost like a pyramid feeling, and it was light, but like a light in a pyramid design, and I brought that one over in front of me....and that was sort of like...I thought I would see little Tibetan lamas, but it wasn't anything like that per se, although that was a portion of it, but it went back much farther than that into what we call time or space, and whatever.
And somebody called "Shellman" or something, from an ancient, very ancient time who looked like maybe somebody from Sri Lanka or someplace like that...he was standing on a beach, a vast beach, that had a horizon with a beautiful sea and clear spacious skies...and he had a conch shell, he had long black hair and wore just a sarong, very, very elegant and very, almost other-worldly. And this thought just occurred to me this being: a "Shell man."
Well, it turns out it seems as though this is an extension back of the form that I visualized before as this Tibetan lama who is a doctor who helped me a lot. And this is so like a continuation backwards into maybe another dimension before that form, or in a form that preceded that. Anyway, whatever it was, I brought that one right in tune, and it wasn't the heart, it was the head. So I don't how it will pan out, but it should be very interesting because of all the programs we're working on for the Tibetan kids and stuff. I think I got a really good team here now...a committee that's going to really get things rolling.
KRIS: They certainly are all very nicely plugged into their nodi.
CATHY: (Chuckling) Yeah. So this is permanent then? These nodi are permanent....is it good to use as a meditation?
KRIS: Indeed, and many others as we will hopefully show you.
CATHY: Okay.
KRIS: Energetically this is not something you leave behind when you disengage from physical life, because it is not physical. And in relationship to your widening of awareness, your network increases. The more integrity [in] the approach, the larger the network is. (Pause) Would someone else care to share?
KATHERINE: I'm not sure what was going on with mine, because I couldn't put a person or a character to it. It was a silver thing and it was moving from my left to my right...and it was going right over, like, my horizon, so to speak.....When I was trying to pull it back in front of me I realized it was really heavy and wavy, sort of like mercury would be....have you ever seen the way a ball of mercury --?
