Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), Myrna (Shara-Leene), Michelle and Katherine
[MARK’S NOTES: I'm note quite sure when Katherine had this dream, but she had discussed it on some of the Seth Forums. Somehow or other Katherine came into contact with Paul Helfrich who nudged her in our direction and as it turned out she was only about a one hour drive from us.
After contacting us she turned up for a Toronto Session without any intent of discussing the dream. Someone commented on her beautifully colored cummerbund that she was wearing. Katherine replied that she bought it because it reminded her of a dream that she had and she then began to describe it. Kris then popped in and took it from there.]
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(7:36 PM Session begins)
KRIS: Now, we trust that you are all comfortable, and we welcome our new guest.
KATHERINE: (Giggling) Thank you.
KRIS: All the giggles aside, you are most welcome to bring and share of your energy. Your previous mention of this sound and color dream is most interesting and gives insight into the creation of specific atmospheres within which consciousness is able to manifest and transform itself into various degrees that eventually appear as the physical matter that you know and your senses interpret.
Now some time back we gave some information on SOUNDLETS. We described them as unique species of units of consciousness that are instrumental in the formation of physical realities. Physical reality itself is a unique atmosphere through which your own idea constructions have the opportunity to be made manifest in terms that you understand. And though there was very little description of the processes involved, such manifestations and constructions are far livelier, animated, and energetic than you could ever possibly imagine.
Action, activity, at that layer of consciousness is oftentimes undetectable to both your physical senses and your scientific instruments, simply because it is processed at rates or speeds that defy imagination, that even defy your notions of faster than light. And light itself is a by-product of soundlets transformation. And though light appears to contain no coloration and at the same time is stratified with color, light is a by-product of such a process. Whether you think light is a result of your sun's processes or otherwise, your scientific research and instrumentation cannot specifically pinpoint the origin of light...nor for that matter can they even pinpoint the origin of life!
(Group chuckles)
So do not be too surprised if they miss a few things.
(Laughter)
You perceived a little known explosion of vibrant, luminescent colors in varieties that would be difficult to reproduce, correct?
KATHERINE: Very correct! They were luminescent.
KRIS: Indeed, because at that layer color is not yet restrained by the rods and cones in your eyes that define the spectrum of light. There are then, millions upon millions of variations within color that even your best computer systems can BARELY approximate, and they can deal in millions of colors. And throughout the galaxy that you know, throughout the solar system, and throughout your own Earthly experience, color is an essential component.
And to further that notion -- this may be somewhat difficult to verbalize, to express in words -- but suffice it to say that color is even more than a belief system, foundational or otherwise. It is an effect of LIVING energy, LIVING consciousness. It is not merely pigmentation, metaphysical or otherwise, but it IS a living substance that is used in the creative processes, from consciousness into its varieties of forms, some of which you know as matter, or physical matter.
This is perhaps difficult to describe in very detailed terms, and we are attempting. Suffice it to say that just as you could never be uni-dimensional, or even three-dimensional, but you are all multi-dimensional beings, color itself is a multi-dimensional factor in the creative processes of countless varieties of realities themselves.
There is a GRAND majesty, a GRACEFUL state of energy pertaining to the vibrancy -- we are trying to avoid using specific words like "vibration" because it is more than that -- suffice it to say that the colors as interpreted by your pretty eyes, regardless of your colors and your eye color, the colors within the ranges available to reality far exceeds the capacity of your senses to interpret them. It is not as if you have been gypped, but you have CHOSEN specific ranges of colors available to your species for your own purposes as sufficient instruments to work the palettes of your creations.
There are many animals that see ranges of colors above and beyond what you see, bees that can see and know a wider spectrum whilst you can only do so with special lenses. But you can, through the auspices of your inner senses and the generosity of your expanded or accelerated imagination, tune in to the ranges of colors as tones. In other frameworks -- you may refer to them as Framework two, Layer or Level two of reality, three, four and others -- where more and more is available, because at those layers of being you are not restricted to the sensory mechanisms that you use to define your physical waking life. So much more expanded awareness is available when you focus outside the range of the physical senses. Does that make sense?
KATHERINE: Absolutely. Perfectly.
KRIS: There are many reports by individuals who experience lucid dreams or out of body experiences, where colors take on a different connotation, a liveliness, an aliveness far beyond what they experience from within their body's perceptions. Some of your deeper dream experiences may also lead you to those same conclusions that there are layers of aliveness almost like a luminescent SENTIENCE to color at those states of being. And that energy can also be gently tapped into, focused upon and gently nudged into your intent. Does that make sense?
KATHERINE: Yes.
KRIS: The rest of you are inordinately quiet!
MARK: I was just thinking, "If Ralph Lauren could get hold of that color chart...!" (Laughs) He'd make quite a bit of money.
KATHERINE: I saw that colored chart in a dream. It was pure energy, pure energy...the color and the sound. They became intertwined.
KRIS: Many people think that, for instance, the state of Essence may indeed be quite devoid of coloration and to the contrary, we often view YOUR perceptions in that regard -- (Spontaneous and hearty group laughter) -- rather lame.
KATHERINE: You mean the metaphoric "you" view us physical beings?
KRIS: We also mean your uses of color and decorations thereof, the manner in which you perceive color. You -- your human eye -- with expert training can detect only a few million colors.
MARK: Only! (Group laughs)
MYRNA: I think you might have a project already here, Katherine.
KATHERINE: This is very congruent.
MYRNA: I'm thinking about how "What the Bleep" --
KRIS: (Interrupting) We beg your pardon!
(Group laughter)
MYRNA: "What the Bleep Do We Know"....um....how I looked forward to having my perceptions expanded and I think....how it would be a marvelous route as we've found.
KRIS: Indeed, consider your physical bodies, for example. How many ranges of skin pigmentation do you have in the human race?
KATHERINE: Not many.
KRIS: Indeed. We believe...five? What are these?
KATHERINE: Black, yellow, red, white, and then variations thereof.
KRIS: You also have brown. And then there are the variations and mixes to give you some beautiful shades, yet your own pretty, colorful eyes cannot see their own color, unless you view the mirror; and even then you, your eyes, do not perceive the vibrant fluxes and nexus of colors involved in the processes of maintaining your physical image. Does that make sense to you?
JOHN: No, actually.
(Laughter)
KATHERINE: I'm thinking that we limit, like we're limited in what we can perceive of our own selves....or looking in a mirror, we can't possibly see what's really there, because there's so much more there than our body, our organism is able to detect.
KRIS: That is correct.
MYRNA: Nor do I have any kind of clue as to, as you mentioned, the number of processes that are going on to maintain this image. No idea.
KATHERINE: The life force, maybe.
KRIS: That is also correct. You may interpret it as the life force which is your own energy. Your eyes do not see the living rainbows of colors pertaining to each cell of your form as it is manifest physically from the state of energy. If you could see that bloom, YOUR ENTIRE IDEAS ABOUT PHYSICAL LIFE WOULD CHANGE and you would cherish your lives, you would literally fall in love with the MAGNIFICENT and the GRACEFUL tenderness involved in the processes of each of these points of brilliance that come together for not only the organs but the very cellular structure of your bodies.
And each such point of brilliance also carries a tone. So it is possible to also describe you -- each of you -- as a LIVING cellular symphony. And it is possible, with training, practice and perception, to tune into both that symphony and brilliance. Perhaps a small exercise for you all in any time you are free, but especially when you are walking about during the day, whether you are going shopping -- preferably when you are NOT driving -- when you are walking to and fro, is momentarily try to tune into the symphony and the brilliance of your being as it flows and consciousness flows through it. Does that make any sense to you?
MYRNA: Very much, oh yeah.
JOHN: Sounds like fun.
KATHERINE: I've been doing that lately, I think. And it causes me to have a huge feeling of gracefulness and excitement....and...oh, I love life lately!
KRIS: Indeed and you will notice that with practice your own environment resonates in a similar capacity since your physical environment -- each of your environment -- is a resonance of that same beautiful energy. You literally sing into life the trees and the grasses and the flowers and the clouds and the mountains and the pretty crickets and all of which your eyes can and cannot detect as a projection of your own energies. And yet, often, you do not hear those sounds. In fact, without special instrumentation you cannot hear your own heart, which in some respects is a useful thing as it might even deafen you to hear it from within your own eardrum. (Pause, then in a chipper tone:) Now that was colorful, was it not?
(Laughter and many comments of appreciation.)
Now we will give you a small break.
(Break begins at 8:01)
KATHERINE: Oh, my goodness, that was so relevant to my whole....everything that led me up to coming here!
JOHN: Isn't that nice!
MARK: Now if you could just for the record -- since I don't think I got that [on tape] at the beginning -- if you could tell us the dream, so it goes into the transcript.
KATHERINE: I posted it on the internet, on the.....Laurel Butts started an ESP sort of board recently, you know?
MARK: Yep.
KATHERINE: And a group of us decided to try doing dream work and I've always, always done a lot of work in my dreams. I remember them.... (Laughing) in fact I think I love to dream almost more than I love to live sometimes! And basically what happened is, a personality who is very familiar to me came to demonstrate to me something to do with sound and -- because I had asked a question about music, because when I perform or play music within an orchestra, I literally feel every cell in my body dance, and I just feel -- what's the word for it!? -- I mean, better than orgasmic, let's put it that way!
SERGE: (Laughing) Ooh, let's get some of that!
(Group laughter)
SERGE: Order a case!
KATHERINE: And so I had sort of asked a question...I put out to my higher self to please reveal something about sound. I don't know really what I was asking, but....so this sound teacher, as I call him, began to demonstrate sound, and in the dream it....by the end of the dream it turned out to be one continuous sound almost like you would hear in a gong like the Buddhists and that do, but I was trying to make sense of the sound from a musical point of view.
I was trying to find rhythm, pitches, cadence, melody, I was trying to define this sound in terms of the way I understand music, but the dream took on a whole other direction, and the sound became color. I suddenly found myself observing what appeared to be at first a treasure chest that was open and I could see these incredibly vibrant.....and it's like Kris said, that word doesn't even come close to what I saw there, but I was seeing blue, green, purple, gold, silver, reds, yellows...jewels sort of but they were like effervescent --
MARK: Yeah, luminescent.
KATHERINE: Yeah, and alive.
MICHELLE: Alive, that's the word I caught. I've had that.
KATHERINE: But then I realized that those colors were only symbols that sort of came in the middle between my perception and....the life force...or...love...or um --
MARK: Energy.
KATHERINE: Yes, and then the colors even melted away and became energy....symbols...is the only way I can put it. And -- like it's funny, I chuckled later -- because it began to look like, if you've seen on TV, those pictures of sperm running -- ?
MARK: (Chuckling) Yeah!
KATHERINE: And there's like these energy things? (Laughing) Oh, it wasn't sexual or anything but it was -- I think I might have been seeing atoms or atomic -- you know, and there was like empty space between these.....anyway....it turned out it was symbols. That's what I got from it, symbols for life. And then....the sound continued in the background the whole time during the dream...but as I focused on the color, the sound seemed to diminish, but it never went away, it was constant.
Then the sound and the color became interchangeable and then both became symbols...to me...oh, this is getting really abstract! (Laughs) But anyway, it just left me really feeling like I had seen energy in its whatever purest form I can conceive and....I was feeling like a creator! I was really feeling like the teacher was demonstrating to me that through sound and color I could somehow channel -- if you'll forgive the term -- create a life, a reality, and create a world that I really desire...you know?
MYRNA: Channel that kind of consciousness. What I hear the word that Kris would use for what you're describing as life or energy is "consciousness". I don't know that we have words beyond that to describe what that is, but you're into realms and dimensions beyond that, but I'm not sure why you're apologizing.
KATHERINE: Did I?
MYRNA: Well, [you said] "if you'll forgive me for using the word channel".
KATHERINE: Oh, I see! Right!
MYRNA: I mean I would hope we're all doing that. What an amazing opening it sounds like your dream was!
KATHERINE: Oh, it was incredible! It was like Kris just described -- every single unit of energy, or however you want to put it was a symbol of infinite (groping for words) direction, infinite --
SERGE: Possibilities?
KATHERINE: Yes, possibilities, feelings....uh...it came back to love...which is like the best feeling that I can describe in this life right now...it sort of felt like every cell, every little point or symbol was ---
MARK: You know what absolutely floors me is that you're summarizing the Kris material over the last four or five years!
KATHERINE: Wow!
MARK: He's been talking constantly about all these different things and what gets me is that you're pulling little phrases and sentences and concepts out of this transcript and that transcript and this one, and you're turning it all into one --
MICHELLE: Yes, and even last week's Dinner & A Dead Guy, Kris had mentioned how -- somebody had a dream about purple, and Kris was saying that she saw the colors but the idea was that is was the consciousness -- that color was actually the information encoded in the color --?
MARK: The dream itself she had blacked out or forgotten, but she was left with an allegorical symbol...
MICHELLE: Yes, it was a symbol -- and she saw greens and yellows, too -- but they were all bubbles of info from her dreams that she couldn't remember.
KATHERINE: You just feel so good...and even in the dream I thought to myself that if my real eyes could see this, I would go blind, that I was so glad it was shown to me in the dream state, because you didn't have to worry about your eyes getting fatigued or going blind...blinded by the light! Maybe that's what they mean by that! …and but the thing is...I asked for that. I asked. And it was promptly -- promptly [given] -- and I'm learning that -- to trust myself, that all the answers are available and that basically you get what you focus on and I'm just so renewed! I just feel like I'm on the precipice of something --
MARK: If I had to use just one word to describe you? I would say "vibrant."
KATHERINE: Oh, thank you! (Laughing) And to you as well! And that's the other thing in the dream -- I'm shivering! -- is I see vibrancy now in everything, no matter how mundane, even a boring task or a so-called bum on the street or someone, like I just totally see vibrancy there, whereas I used to see, whatever my own layers of perception...I don't know.
MARK: It's like you said, once you feel those cells singing everything around you sings.
KATHERINE: Yeah!
MARK: I experienced a similar sort of thing when Kris challenged me to be in love, but not with anyone or anything; just that state of being in love. It's like when you first fall in love with someone or something, you have that wonderful....and nothing; a crowbar could not pry that smile off my face! My environment changed, the sounds, the colors, everything changed when you're in that feeling.
KATHERINE: Yes, like rapture almost...oh, definitely! And like it....because I've been thinking a lot lately about....I'm about to turn 50, and feeling so glad that I've got like, at least another 50 years on the planet, and so glad that I don't have to sort of waste the first 16 years of it growing up and being at the mercy of all of the adults or circumstance, just feeling so glad that I have all this time left, like to really....I just feel like something is going to happen! And to affect the world and create the world that I think a lot of people desire to have, you know?
MARK: (Chuckling)
KATHERINE: And Kris sounds like he's got a Czechoslovakian accent! He sounds like one of my music coaches!
MARK: What's your background?
KATHERINE: Well I was born and practically raised in Toronto. I've lived some in Vancouver, but my parents' genetic parentage -- on my mother's side is Hungarian and German, my father's side is Lithuanian, and that's about it, but I have many more memories of...like I think I've lived so many, many past lives as a native person, so I'm very drawn to native everything. I've got native art, I've got native -- all over the native stuff. I'm happiest when I can smell fresh cedar. You know, that kind of thing.
There are so many possibilities that I want to be cautious about how I perceive because, as a Pisces, you know, I can swim oceans or I can get caught in little undercurrents (Mark laughs appreciatively), or I can get way down, you know, there's just so many possibilities that I don't want to get swept away which would be easy for me --
MARK: I'm a Pisces too.
KATHERINE: Oh, okay! Cool! March 9th.
MARK: I'm February 23rd. I'm turning 40.
MICHELLE: Oh, you know what? I was close, because when you said you were a Pisces my first thought was March 10th, and then I thought, "Oh, that can't be right!"
KATHERINE: Cool! Well, that's pretty darn close. I think that the astrology stuff for me are symbols that help us...I mean, I really like astrology, but I'm not well versed in it, I just like the descriptions of different tendencies, and it resonates with me.
(Kris returns at 8:17 PM)
KRIS: Now, we trust that you have all had a very nice break and some lively chitchat. As we suggested earlier, that you may attend to perceive the vibrancy, the colors, the life within you as you walk about, and see how that resonates into your environment so can you suggest to yourself before you fall asleep that you can indeed have your dream eyes open to a larger potential than you normally remember.
You might indeed be quite surprised at what you perceive in the dream state. You often limit your experiences to that which is familiar to you for reference's sake. But if you become daring enough and venturesome enough you may think to ask your dream self to reveal to you in the dreams more of the living tapestry that is part of that dimension, and experience it for yourselves first hand.
But if you do that, be prepared for an interesting journey, for the colors are themselves imbued with what can only be called sound -- for lack of a better word -- a beautiful resonance that you would translate as sound. And each sound itself, however miniscule or grandiose, contains its own fields and tones of color, as it were. And though from your conscious mind this may sound like a real cacophony of sounds and colors, it is not.
Everything is so precisely detailed that you would immediately recognize the uniqueness of each particle of colorful sound, or soundful coloring, without any mistake or blurring of the edges even when they come together as the backdrop of the vast tapestry of your dream scenes. Those dream dramas and plays are themselves composed of the same kinds of structures and structuring that enables physical scenarios, whether deep in the desert, or forest, or the open sea, or the city.
The consciousness is the same. The resonance from your own inner states is projected upon that incredible canvas that you may not even perceive and it gives you all of the appearances you have come to expect, so richly interwoven are the colors and the sounds with the very fabric of your awareness that you think that in this room there is one or seven tables, or different walls, ceiling and floor, yet that is essentially interpretation, even though there is nothing here but consciousness, life. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
KATHERINE: It's like we're suspended, floating on this magic carpet of....something (laughing)... suspended, I don't know. Does THAT make sense?
KRIS: It could be said that though you feel that you are suspended in consciousness, it is consciousness itself, including you who are ever-active, ever in a state of flux and nexus. And this incredible, beautiful tapestry of life is always freshly created by each and every one of you. So when it is said that (pause) you create your reality in the now; when it is said that the point of power is in the present -- in the present moment, NOW - it means that all of your experiences, even those NOWS that you translate as past experiences or potential future adventures are all created in the moment.
Then you take those experiences and you process them through the avenues that you have established and in spite of all of those processes and all of the appearances of time and space -- past, present, future; past-past future; future-past past and so on and so forth -- the pivotal point is the NOW. But does that mean that the last moment that just passed is no longer the now? Or the moment to come is a different now, and your now will become the past to that now? Indeed not. Everything is now.
You may catalogue some experiences as the past, present, future - but everything is now. And that represents an area of rich dichotomy. For it necessitates that you look beyond your present understandings and in this (pause) -- we are looking for a word -- in this majestic now, each moment point represents nows as well. And each now, regardless, is a deep point of power and resource. Now you create any experience of the past that you may feel beholdens to difficulties, and now you create any situation in the present or the future that beholdens you to freedom.
You, however, determine how any of those nows are to be affecting of you. And you have the potential NOW to determine that any influence of the past -- as you determine the past -- need no longer appear as an event separate from your life, as if it unduly affects you, but that instead, bring it into the now, you can Acknowledge it, Address it, Accept it with the understanding that now it need no longer distract you from what you want to concentrate on. The work is done at the belief level. Does that make sense?
(Yes)
MARK: Something else I've noticed is that there's a lot of conversations on the past and how it affects....and how we need to Acknowledge and Address and Accept the past so they don't have control on us anymore, but there's a lot it that's been circumstances that we COULD acknowledge in the past as being pleasant and joyous that could affect our nows and our future nows much better. In other words, what I'm trying to say is, we tend to focus on the crap and not on the joys.
KRIS: That is correct. If all events from the past need to be defused, then ALL events of the past -- that means then that you do what you have stated, over concentrate on your interpretation of negative event forms. Why not concentrate ALSO on so-called positive event forms?
KATHERINE: We have the choice.
KRIS: Indeed and that choice occurs in the now. Now you choose. Your choosing will kick in, it will kick start those actions and processes that are in accordance with your new choice. Whether it is the healing of ancient wounds or otherwise, by your concentrating on the so-called negative event forms, what do you do with them? And if you examine your consciousness truthfully, without censoring, you will discover that you are constantly bringing it into the present and the future. That is where you make complications, thinking that twenty years ago, you had a paper cut on your finger!
(Group laughter)
Obviously then, if today, tomorrow, twenty years from now, you handle paper, you believe that you will have more paper cuts. You may or you may not, but because you focus upon this, you experience this twice and you create incongruencies, which are all intent. Now, if your intent is to explore all varieties of paper cuts, then have fun!
(Laughter)
We believe you understand what we are saying?
KATHERINE: Yes, it's like we can create from the now, we have the choice to determine how to create into the so-called future -- which is also the past and the now -- but just so can narrow it down into terms that we....it...
KRIS: The often-found difficulty is that many people treat it as a wishing well. You throw your copper penny into the wishing well and then, all difficulties, traumas and challenges of the past are miraculously erased from the self. That is often used as a means to deny yourself, to discount your own self. If you were to understand the process, you could easily then, decide now that a traumatic event from the past need no longer hang about your neck like an albatross, that instead you can decide to free the albatross and thus, free yourself. Does that make sense?
(Resounding affirmations)
MYRNA: Yes, but easier said than done.
KRIS: Definitely, but that choice can kick start processes and living mechanisms through which you will find resources and tools to heal that which in the past may have seemed horrendous and overwhelming so that your present and future are no longer at the apparent mercy of your albatross. Does that make sense as well?
MYRNA: It does. John and I have been working with this in the last while. You know with the shifting continents and the Bardo between? (Refers to previous session) So an intention to live in perfect health, for example, and wholeness....I'm aware that I keep getting tripped...well, I call it a log jam. I keep getting tripped up by the belief so that.....it's easy to set the intention! I'm not finding it as easy to ALLOW the intention.
KRIS: And may we offer you a gentle breeze to edge you further towards that other continental shelf?
JOHN: (Chuckling)
MYRNA: Yes, you may. (Laughs)
KRIS: You say that your intent is to have perfect health, but examine what beliefs you hold about that. Who determines what is perfect health? Under whose diction are you determining what that should be? Do you understand?
MYRNA: Yeah, Kris....yes I do. I do, I do, I do! And it's back to that....you know saying to you awhile back that this whole art of allowing.....um....is not as easy as I thought, or hoped.
KRIS: Indeed and that is often the element that is not presented in many of these quasi-religious presentations. For example, you may, instead of trying to express that you will be in perfect health, you may express that your health will reflect the state of your joy and happiness. That will be commensurate with the beliefs you color your experience and the idea of perfect health may indeed come shattering down like Humpty Dumpty if the deity for perfect health creates a cold.
MYRNA: Creates what?
KRIS: A cold. Flu.
MARK: A small little illness, a bump in the road.
KRIS: Because it is also necessary for the body -- that beautiful physical expression -- to also treat ITS systems and flush them once in a while. It understands its own natural process.
MYRNA: Well, I'm sitting here wondering about the paper cut....and.....why have I created a state where I would choose to remember the paper cut, and to fear it, and to take it into my future. What's the belief? Because this is about beliefs, is it not?
KRIS: And what did we describe a belief as?
MYRNA: A number of thoughts and --
JOHN: And ideas that you have given energy to.
MYRNA: An idea that I've given energy to.
KRIS: Indeed, so you wouldn't have assigned a sizable amount of energy towards any idea or contract either small or large if somewhere along the line, you have not perceived the significance that you have attached to that idea.
MYRNA: Right.
KRIS: For example: A child may tell its mother or father in a moment of upset, "I HATE you!" The parent has different ways to react, notwithstanding the whole reality creation "thingy."
(Group laughter)
But the parent -- mothers most often -- can take that to heart and question the validity of their parenting skills, of their mothering. Did they somehow or other become such a bad mother that their child has to tell them "I hate you"? Or is there an understanding that the child is upset, does not know how to express that upset and those emotions and interprets that into the words, "I hate you," meaning "I am hurt, and I think you are responsible!" Does that make sense?
JOHN: Perfectly. Been there.
KATHERINE: I've heard those words a few times lately.
MYRNA: Where does this...you started off saying we wouldn't go there unless there were significant --
KRIS: Indeed, now if the mother in this example has issues, insecurities, frailties and fears about being a good parent, raising a healthy child, well-balanced, emotionally and physically and so on and so forth, this may trigger an avalanche into fear and even downright despondence about their capabilities of raising that child.
And that may stem from a similar situation where they themselves as a child expressed similar words to their parents without any resolution to the issue except the parents screaming to the child that it is a very bad thing indeed to say such words and go to your room, which makes the child feel even more guilty and hurt and the communication is never resolved. It is considered often that they are children, they will forget about this tomorrow, but the emotions still sting. Do you follow so far?
KATHERINE: Trying to. How would you suggest that we address that? I have two teenage girls who tell me they hate me almost daily! And it...I've tried different approaches, different angles, I've tried everything from matching their vibration and screaming, "I hate you" right back, to looking calmly and saying "I love you" to all kinds of things. What would be the most productive way to deal with that?
KRIS: It is not an easy issue to resolve. However, in many such circumstances it is still unpredictable as to how the parent and the children will interact even with the best of advice, if those psychological buttons are pushed, the best advice in the world goes out the window and the old patterns resurrect instantly. The screaming and the yelling and all of that! At issue are emotional patterns, response behavior which actually becomes reactionary behavior.
One step would be to examine the issues of one's parenting skills. Not to find the weak spots and that weak link in the chain of securities, but instead to comprehend that you are doing the best job you can with what you know, and what resources are available to you. That you are not a bad parent, that indeed you are coping like any other parent under similar situations, that you are, after all, dealing with teenagers -- the most fearsome force in the universe!
JOHN: (Laughing loudly)
KATHERINE: Thank you! I needed to hear that!
KRIS: However, once you are able to calm the oceans of your own tempests, you can re-examine the usual responses once your children are on the warpath, and refuse to play into whatever traps are being set, both by you and them. Knowing that their words are communications and instead of feeling slighted or that you must return yell for yell, you refuse to acknowledge any provocative responses.
KATHERINE: Like ignore them?
KRIS: (Emphatically:) INDEED!
KATHERINE: I get so much feedback from other family members: "You're so passive! You ignore everything! You should be doing more!"
KRIS: This is not turning a blind eye. This is simply refusing to fight fire with fire.
KATHERINE: Okay. Right.
KRIS: You make a bigger fire.
KATHERINE: Okay, so instead of adding energy to that, don't add energy to that, but how do you replace that with something that will turn the corner and --
KRIS: Indeed, by revising the behavioral patterns that you usually fall into you will discover that it is not that you are a bad parent, you are dealing with your situation as best you can. At the base of all of this argumentation, the yelling back and forth, is a communication. What are YOU communicating through your children, and what are THEY communicating both to you and through you? Listen, not with the ears at the yelling, not with the eyes at the tantrums, but with the heart at the communication. What are you empathizing at that moment? And it may simply be they have lost the knack to communicate their heartfelt intent and believe they must resort to great drama and provocation. Do you understand?
KATHERINE: Yes, I think they just feel frustrated because they do not know how to express themselves. They don't realize the power that they have, their own creativity and maybe out of frustration, they turn on me...
KRIS: It would certainly not be the best time to approach them when they are in a tempest. Wait until the issue passes, then you can set aside a time to discuss gently setting boundaries to the discussion. For instance: no yelling allowed. No emotional flare-ups. "If these are the only resources that you have, my dears, then you need to find new ones, because we cannot play that game. It is being revoked. There is a defect in the system and it is being recalled."
(Group laughter)
New vehicles of communication are being set. Set up your rules and your boundaries so the agreements -- gentle agreements from them -- and speak from the heart. It may indeed appear painful at first. They may express different kinds of frustration. That will pass. Do not absorb any of it. Empathize, but do not absorb. Do you understand?
KATHERINE: Yes. Allowance. Allow it.
KRIS: Once the flood passes, and you get to the juicy stuff -- you get to the heart of the matter -- it will be heartfelt and thoughtful and meaningful, once you get through all of the barriers. And it may not happen tomorrow, but keep at it, be encouraging, both of themselves and of yourself.
MYRNA: Kris, you used this example as a way of talking about our beliefs and you started back a while ago, apart from the details of the scenario, you chose that....are you saying that our automatic emotional responses are not unlike what has just been described from a child's perspective? So when I get into an automatic response to something, is it like hearing a child's yell? Because there's no other way to express myself?
KRIS: Or that you may think there is no other way.
MARK: That's the belief.
KRIS: There are always other ways.
MYRNA: But the automatic response is my child's way of trying to get my attention?
MARK: Note to the recorder that Kris nodded his head.
(Group laughter)
MYRNA: Well, that's a different way of looking at automatic responses: My child tried to get my attention.
KATHERINE: I think the child is trying to express themselves, whether it's...like you're just a safe place for them to project --
MYRNA: No, I'm talking about MY child --
KATHERINE: Oh, like inner child?
MYRNA: Yes, my inner child trying to get MY attention is an automatic response. In other words, this scenario is about US, right?
KRIS: This has nothing to do with children and at the same time it is also applicable.
MYRNA: Yes, of course.
MICHELLE: I once had a friend who was an adult and he has this automatic response when he gets mad to yell. I have this automatic response to get really quiet when he gets mad. So he'll yell and yell and yell until he has to leave the room and then he'll come back and say, "You know you can't be fought with, because you don't fight back! How can I fight with someone who doesn't fight back?" and I say, "But that's the point. You have now calmed down enough for me to actually talk to you."
KATHERINE: Because when we're fighting, we're only fighting with ourselves. When we project something negative onto another we're only projecting it onto ourselves ultimately. So, when I see that negativity before my eyes unfolding, I feel like I want to....it's not the reality I would like to see unfold. I just want love, you know. (Laughs)
KRIS: Do keep in mind that all of your beliefs are enacted. You are the author of your play, as well as all of the actors in that play, as well as all of the spectators. So you decide: do you want the crowd to throw rotten tomatoes or to give you a standing ovation and a dozen encores?
KATHERINE: But, we can't force other individuals to behave in a way that --
KRIS: Your own internal, psychological, subjective behavior determines the outcome.
KATHERINE: Like your beliefs, in other words.
KRIS: Indeed, those sets of ideas you collect into special containers, psychological containers, that you provide with extra energy become almost a living force unto themselves until you pull the plug on it.
MARK: I'd love to see an experiment in consciousness where the albatross is the joy and love in our lives and we just forget about the pain and trauma.
KATHERINE: Yeah, or embrace the albatross and thank it for allowing us to use it to measure ourselves against.
MARK: Even when we have these challenges throughout our lives, the challenge sticks with us -- the trauma of it -- but we often forget how we conquered that challenge, [how] we overcame, we exist in the future as humans and as adults, mature people BECAUSE we conquered these challenges.
KATHERINE: Yeah, that's the miracle of life.
KRIS: Now, what is the time?
MARK: 8:59.
KRIS: Indeed then, do you wish another small break and continue?
MARK: Sure.
(Break starts at 8:59)
KATHERINE: (To Serge:) Do you remember what's being said [during the session]?
SERGE: There are times when I'll have some memories, there are times when I won't, there are times when I have feeling-tones or I'll see images that could relate to [what's being discussed] or not.
KATHERINE: Yes. How do you feel right now? I'm just curious, like do you feel one way or another right now?
SERGE: I know that when it's break I'm still slightly dissociated, in other words, like he's got one foot still in the door.
KATHERINE: Wow, yeah. Well, thank you for doing this for us.
MARK: I find that after the night goes on, or even the next day or later that evening, I'll start talking about it to Serge and he'll get a little more back, remember more, and sometimes even correct me if I've misinterpreted it, but when it comes to private sessions, for instance, where it's really none of his business, he won't remember anything.
MICHELLE: He was so deep last time that he actually had to ask.
KATHERINE: I guess it may drain your energy if you were to --
SERGE: I know people who have said that when they come out of trance, they feel like almost near death. I can't relate to that in any way, shape or form. I just cannot, I never have and I just can't go there.
KATHERINE: Oh, good. So you feel good, stable, solid...?
SERGE: Yeah.
KATHERINE: That's great.
SERGE: When we go to California, I've made myself available for six private sessions over the course of the week plus the weekend, no more -- not because it tires me -- but I know from experience that you do too many in a day you won't sleep that night.
KATHERINE: Oh, you're energized by it.
SERGE: Yeah. I didn't know -- I did this in '86, I think it was - in Vancouver - I was there two weeks I guess -- and one place I went, a lady had arranged six private readings almost back-to-back and I didn't sleep for 24 hours.
KATHERINE: Wow! But was it a good thing or a bad thing?
SERGE: Well, it ended up being not such a nice thing after all, because I was up for 24 hours and it really screwed me up. So I realized after that I had to make for some changes.
KATHERINE: That was sort of the way I felt when I was having that dream. I was glad I was doing it in the dream state, because I knew if I had that experience in this state, I just felt like I don't know if I could have stood up to it all....like...all that energy....and that was only just a pinpoint of what was lying behind it in all other directions....like wow.
MARK: I've actually been waking up feeling very worn out and tired from my dreams of late.
JOHN: Doing a lot of construction?
MARK: I had a talk with Kris and [he offered] that you can actually ask yourself -- even though you're doing all this work in the dreams -- to ask yourself to revitalize so that when you wake up you don't feel that worn out tiredness and you feel revitalized…Since I started that, no problem.
KATHERINE: Yeah, it's amazing how it works once you direct your attention to that and make yourself aware of it, and then make the decision that [the situation is] going to change now.
SERGE: I do gather though that it was pretty intense. I just have that feeling.
KATHERINE: Yeah, very. I'm just lapping it up. I feel like I'm at a buffet dinner, just sampling all kinds of things.
JOHN: I'm feeling a lot of fun energy, very vibrant energy. I just wanted to pick up something that you were saying, Myrna -- I believe that you're right in the sense that you started in by saying, "Why do I carry the paper cut into the future?" Right? And Kris really then started in about the kid saying "I hate you," as an illustration...and he wasn't done --
MYRNA: No, you're right, he wasn't done.
JOHN: So, there's a piece missing here. We laid the groundwork for how you do carry the paper cut forward, but we haven't gotten to the point of NOT carrying the paper cut forward.
MYRNA: Right! There's something I've constructed coming here that somehow I want to reverse....instead of giving myself permission to carry that forward -- the belief that I must carry that forward, and I think it's related to a powerlessness, or....whatever it is -- I want to reverse that!
JOHN: He did say something quite intriguing. He said that the reason that the paper cut is being brought forward has to do with the energy that you have invested in those ideas or beliefs.
MYRNA: Yeah, and we never got [back to that point].
JOHN: And so the issue then becomes how do you?...in other words, there's a reason -- oh, here we go!
(Kris returns at 9:06 PM)
KRIS: Now we are glad that you are putting [forth] some effort as well!
JOHN: (Chuckling)
MYRNA: Well! What do you mean?
KRIS: And now, this is correct: there are always reasons why you may emphasize one event over another. There are many powerful events in life that somehow or other fall to the wayside, sometimes almost insignificant compared to other events which may, to the eyes of many, appear a near insignificant but to you, they are a literal colossus. Do you follow?
MYRNA: Yeah.
KRIS: What could be the reason? What significance would some events have over others that lead them specifically to be lent enough energy to become beliefs?
MYRNA: Is that a question you're asking?
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: What comes up for me is....they are evidence...those events feel to me as evidence of beliefs that I hold that continue to reinforce a particular belief. So it may be insignificant, but it's more evidence of...blah, blah, blah.
MARK: You always have your own best interests at heart, so if you are giving more energy to one belief over another, there must be something positive to come out of it, correct?
JOHN: Hear, hear.
KRIS: That is also correct. Even if the outcome may self-prove to be destructive -- sabotaging, in other words -- there are many people who have very small illnesses, but never heal. There are people who have major illnesses and recover quite nicely. There are people with major illnesses that never recover.
Now it could be said, that it is because they wish to die and that is fine, for those who wish to go that route. But those who linger for years, even decades with illnesses, even though there is more than a great likelihood that any number of medications, allopathic, or herbal, or otherwise can alleviate their condition. But they still manifest it. What possible reason could that individual have for maintaining their condition? Do you understand?
MYRNA: I understand.
KRIS: Could it be that they extrapolate from others a sense of being able to control others? Could they elicit some form of pity from others? "Woe is poor little Debbie. Let us do what we can to help little Debbie," as an example. Is it because there is a power play involved? Wife cannot get fulfillment from husband in marriage situation. According to her beliefs, divorce or separation is unacceptable, therefore become crippled. Force Hubby to notice and take care. As another example --
MYRNA: (Interrupting) Are you suggesting that's an example for my highest good?
KRIS: We are using it as examples.
MARK: So there is a benefit of being crippled: you get the attention --
MYRNA: That I get.
MARK: It's just an example.
KRIS: There are other individuals for instance, glorify in their illness, thinking that this is how God pays special attention to them over others. They are ill. Therefore God is concentrating his attention on THEM. They become special in the eyes of others who have similar beliefs that are involved in religious frameworks. There are always reasons, even if consciously you have surgically stitched over the reasons and buried it deep in the body, for one reason or another. Does that make sense as well?
MYRNA: Oh, I'm...yes, I've known that for a long time. I'm trying to figure out, Kris, about beliefs and intentions and moving from one continent to another. What does one do when one has spent years believing that if I'm crippled, that's one of the ways I'm going to get attention? I'm just using that as an example.
KRIS: They might not make those thoughts available, necessarily, to themselves. They quickly hide them, brush them under the carpet so that they do not have to face up to their own responsibilities.
MYRNA: Okay, yeah. So what feels very optimistic in this for me is that in exploring the beliefs, the underlying beliefs, that some of my automatic responses -- even the exploring of it is movement, is that true?
KRIS: Indeed, that is absolutely correct. Once you find one pretty gemstone, do not run to the gemologist with it right away; be like a good treasure hunter, look for more gemstones, more discoveries along those lines. And there are times when, the more deeply buried gemstones might prove tough to extract from the ground, but give it a damn good pull! (Group laughter) It WILL release!
MARK: That would be one of the most rewarding, obviously.
KRIS: Indeed, it will be the core belief. Does this make sense to you?
MYRNA: Oh, yes.
KRIS: It is a matter of pulling up the sleeves, bracing the elbows and diving in there!
MYRNA: I think that I know this work with you and then John and I taking it and every week applying it -- I think it has been most profound in terms....I feel like my whole world has gone upside down.
MARK: In a good way or a bad way?
MYRNA: Oh, in a good way! In a VERY good way. It's very profound. One of the most unbelievable truths here was that everything in my exterior world is there to reflect my beliefs.
KATHERINE: And however prominent your beliefs push themselves to yourself...in other words, I thank myself for bad experiences because it taught me how to look at my own beliefs and then....but what's been happening recently is I've been realizing that just as surely as I can create negative things in life, that there's infinite other possibilities and they can become prominent for me as well. And revisiting that over and over again just reinforces the power of my creativity in that direction, you know?
KRIS: Now, what is the time?
MARK: 9:15.
KRIS: Indeed, we would leave you with two things. One is a challenge for the week, and a sound. Now, the challenge is this: make it your loving intent that you deliberately appreciate the miracle of your being as it presents itself to you every day. And your being is not limited to your body. And make some small note of thanks and appreciation; a message to yourself in appreciation for the miracle of this being and this sound -- as you know our sound is a sound of deep appreciation at other levels of your miraculous being.
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And may the sound and the appreciation carry you for the week.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
(Session ends at 9:17 PM)
Katherine’s dream (as posted on a Seth forum):
The other night however, I had a dream that I thought you might like to hear about, because I believe it was a Teacher, Friend, Guide, or otherwise, a Personality who came at my invitation. This Personality did not really interact with me, but more came as a messenger. He was there to demonstrate something, not interact with me.
My intuition moves me to share this with you.
Previous to the dream, I had been asking my inner senses to reveal to myself the answer to a question I had for myself about value fulfillment. So I thought this dream was an answer to that, but it turned out to be an answer to another question I was developing about Building with Sound...using sound to create...I posted something along those lines. I am an individual who immerse myself with sound, daily...because I am a musician. I am familiar with the effect of sound. It uplifts me, and I indulge in it.
Anyway, this was one of those dreams that stands out...I think I have had it before, but it wasn’t your run of the mill dream. It wasn’t particularly fun or adventurous. I'm positive it was an answer to my questions. So here goes:
"I dreamt a friend was showing me how to make sounds with this strange instrument, and the sounds were interesting to me. The rhythms were very different from classical rhythms...they were built differently. There were crescendos, vibrations felt by my being, felt like energy, not good, not bad. The Teacher was demonstrating how to use the instrument. He was using the palms of his hands to manipulate the instrument. He was sliding his palms up and down the strings, instead of across. He was also moving his palms in a circular motion, at the same time. It seemed to be going slow at first, then built up to fast, then it would be going slow and fast, at once, and everything in between. By the end of the experience, it seemed the rhythms disappeared, and the sound was sustained without pause.
At the same time, the rhythms blended with the tones and pitches, and they were very different also. I could hear them, but they didn’t make sense at first. I couldn’t remember hearing them before. The pitches started at a lower vibration, and accelerated to a higher vibration, and I thought of a pyramid, with the lower tones at the base, and the highest tones at the tip. I couldn’t measure it against a 440 vibration. It wasn’t like sound as I know it, though there were similarities. At some point the energy was very loud and intense, and then came vivid colors-red, purple, blue, green, gold, silver, crystal, like jewels tones. I especially liked the green color. It matched an emotional feeling and I wanted to look at it, it felt good to look at it. The colors took on different images, first like a treasure chest full of large jewels with brilliant light radiating together with the color of the jewels, like they were beautiful and radiant colors. My attention was focused on the colors, more than the sound for awhile.
The sound was sustained, but subsided because my attention was turned to the colors. Then the colors matched the sounds, and became symbols, not images. The sounds and the colors matched in vibration, it was like I was seeing the music, and hearing the colors."
I realize this is not what you would call channeled information vis a vis words, but it was definitely a personality that came to give me information. If this is not in keeping with the nature of this board, please let me know and that is really o.k. I just felt inclined to write it here.
Cheers from Katherine in Canada.
